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2021-05-24 19:17:50 --> wymiller (@wymiller:matrix.wyattjmiller.com) has joined #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-05-24 18:32:37 @zurdo:zurdo.si huh, that wiki article has been updated from the last time I checked it out and now mentions systemd-nspawn directly, so it's almost definitely what Dan meant. Still, good link :P
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2021-05-24 18:31:16 @zurdo:zurdo.si if a chroot would be enough, https://wiki.debian.org/QemuUserEmulation may be all you need, which sounds like it isn't far from what Dan Johansen | Manjaro ARM said (it uses qemu-user-static). This mechanism teaches your x86 kernel to use qemu to live emulate binaries on the fly
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2021-05-24 15:43:54 @fedx:matrix.org Ok. I will definitely take a look. Thank you so much!
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2021-05-24 19:37:04 paperdigits I think nix containers also use systemd-nspawn
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2021-05-24 19:48:51 fedx This may be a really bad idea, but I was able to get qemu-static-user working with Podman. Thank you so much for all your help!
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2021-05-24 20:55:06 paperdigits Seems like a house of cards, but if it works
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2021-05-24 20:30:14 ⚠️ kendall Bad event received, event type: m.room.message
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2021-05-24 21:35:21 kendall For anyone running a matrix server. Do you open up port 8448, or do you run federation over 443? I've seen the instructions on running it over 443 and thought "Cool, one less port to open". It worked, but then it brought the whole network to its knees. I just opened up 8448 and it seems to be working alright....Well, that is if you're able to see this 🙃 .
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2021-05-24 23:25:14 dhanesh95 Kendall: I'm able to see this so federation is working. 👍🏼
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2021-05-24 23:25:14 As for the ports, I run federation over 8448 for my server. I believe it's better to stick the default if you have other services / websites that are running alongside your matrix instance.
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2021-05-24 23:58:56 jasonish > In reply to @fedx:matrix.org
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2021-05-24 23:58:56 > This may be a really bad idea, but I was able to get
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2021-05-24 23:58:56 > qemu-static-user working with Podman. Thank you so much
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2021-05-24 23:58:56 > for all your help!
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2021-05-24 23:58:56 Seems perfectly fine to me. I do it all the time to build Arm binaries using Arm container images are my amd64.
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2021-05-24 23:59:16 jasonish > In reply to @fedx:matrix.org
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2021-05-24 23:59:16 > This may be a really bad idea, but I was able to get
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2021-05-24 23:59:16 > qemu-static-user working with Podman. Thank you so much
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2021-05-24 23:59:16 > for all your help!
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2021-05-24 23:59:16 * Seems perfectly fine to me. I do it all the time to build Arm binaries using Arm container images on my amd64.
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 strit > In reply to @kendall:thewhitmans.cloud
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 > For anyone running a matrix server. Do you open up port
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 > 8448, or do you run federation over 443? I've seen the
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 > instructions on running it over 443 and thought "Cool, one
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 > less port to open". It worked, but then it brought the
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 > whole network to its knees. I just opened up 8448 and it
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 > seems to be working alright....Well, that is if you're
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 > able to see this 🙃 .
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2021-05-25 00:41:04 I opened 8448 for federation.
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2021-05-25 12:37:00 jasonish Hmm.. I just noticed that ctrl-7 in a terminal deletes to the start of line.. Are there other shortcuts like this documented somewhere?
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2021-05-25 12:43:31 drw https://www.tecmint.com/linux-command-line-bash-shortcut-keys/
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2021-05-25 12:55:40 paperdigits Tip #1 switch to zsh ;)
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2021-05-25 13:04:45 simondanerd Good tip: they have ohmyzsh
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2021-05-25 13:06:19 drw > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-25 13:06:19 > Tip #1 switch to zsh ;)
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2021-05-25 13:06:19 OSS is all about freedom and not being forced by an individual or organization into what they feel is best for everyone else
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2021-05-25 13:07:55 masonbeelimited Oh my bash it is then? https://ohmybash.nntoan.com/
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2021-05-25 13:08:45 simondanerd Hmm. That's cool. Does it have autocomplete and syntax support?
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2021-05-25 13:15:21 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Forget ohmyzsh, try zsh4humans.
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2021-05-25 13:16:04 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com fzf-tab and p10k are great.
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2021-05-25 13:16:11 paperdigits > In reply to @drw:castour.net
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2021-05-25 13:16:11 > OSS is all about freedom and not being forced by an
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2021-05-25 13:16:11 > individual or organization into what they feel is best for
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2021-05-25 13:16:11 > everyone else
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2021-05-25 13:16:11 Too early for jokes with you, i see.
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2021-05-25 13:16:18 paperdigits Freedom is very serious.
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2021-05-25 13:16:24 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com * fzf-tab and p10k (included in z4h) are great.
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2021-05-25 13:16:33 simondanerd > In reply to @gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com
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2021-05-25 13:16:33 > fzf-tab and p10k are great.
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2021-05-25 13:16:33 I love p10k
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2021-05-25 13:16:40 masonbeelimited No idea, I have never used it...oh, actually I have on a mac I think but it annoyed me so I uninstalled it.
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2021-05-25 13:16:40 Hmmm, checked around and I can't see anything. There is an bash-completion package in ubuntu and debian buster though.
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2021-05-25 13:16:50 <-- @loaonline:matrix.org (None) has left #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-05-25 13:17:04 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com > In reply to @simondanerd:matrix.org
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2021-05-25 13:17:04 > I love p10k
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2021-05-25 13:17:04 I do too, I wrote a couple of custom segments for it
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2021-05-25 13:18:44 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com https://github.com/xPMo/zsh-prompt-dir-perms and https://github.com/xPMo/zsh-prompt-dir-glob
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2021-05-25 13:19:22 <-- @loaonline:matrix.org (None) has left #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-05-25 13:19:31 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com dir-glob is rather opaque, I need to restructure it
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2021-05-25 13:19:57 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com * dir-glob is rather opaque, I need to restructure it if I want anyone to actually use it
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2021-05-25 13:23:17 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com imo people rely too much on frameworks for their shell config
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2021-05-25 13:25:07 simondanerd That's true. I wish there was a centralized configurator for noobs and those of us that are lazy to configure our interactive shells. drag and drop and support for sh, bash, fish, ssh would be great.
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2021-05-25 13:27:06 drw > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-25 13:27:06 > Too early for jokes with you, i see.
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2021-05-25 13:27:06 I was just joking around. Unless you were being serious, then my reply should be taken seriously. 😀
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2021-05-25 13:37:45 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com > In reply to @simondanerd:matrix.org
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2021-05-25 13:37:45 > That's true. I wish there was a centralized configurator
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2021-05-25 13:37:45 > for noobs and those of us that are lazy to configure our
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2021-05-25 13:37:45 > interactive shells. drag and drop and support for sh,
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2021-05-25 13:37:45 > bash, fish, ssh would be great.
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2021-05-25 13:37:45 That would get really ugly really quickly. Things are so opinionated, and some ideas don't apply to all shells. They're different languages after all
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2021-05-25 13:38:19 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com I need to write a noobs guide to zsh tab completion though.
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2021-05-25 13:38:35 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com * I need to write a noobs guide to zsh completion configuration though.
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2021-05-25 13:38:35 simondanerd Imma see what I can do. If it flops, well, it was worth the try and if it works, yay.
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2021-05-25 13:50:23 danielsan If you are a pythonista you could find xonsh shell interesting
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2021-05-25 14:01:38 @minimec #LupLug meeting in an hour! We celebrate 'Towel Day!' with our new mumble SoundBot. Prepare your towel pics and put them into your mumble profile... Feel free to join...
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2021-05-25 14:15:46 masonbeelimited Have a happy meeting :)
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2021-05-25 14:16:26 @minimec > In reply to @masonbeelimited:matrix.org
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2021-05-25 14:16:26 > Have a happy meeting :)
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2021-05-25 14:16:26 THX. I hope we will...
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2021-05-25 15:01:25 -- Notice(_neb_rssbot_=40noblepayne=3ajupiterbroadcasting.com): LINUX Unplugged: 407: And the Answer is... ( https://linuxunplugged.com/407 )
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2021-05-25 15:02:29 fedx Hey, I am working on a science fair project. I am wanting to make a mobile Linux operating system. I need a mentor who is “a professional in their field.” It is not a big commitment. Mostly it’s to make sure I don’t hurt myself, and this does not hugely relate to the computer science category. If anyone would be willing to mentor me I would greatly appreciate it! Thanks!
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2021-05-25 15:03:24 strit What does mentoring entail?
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2021-05-25 15:05:32 fedx Mostly it is so that I don’t misuse dangerous chemicals and hurt someone. However I would be hard pressed to do something dangerous with my project.
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2021-05-25 15:06:21 strit Well, I do help create the default OS on the PinePhone, but we use our own scripts for it.
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2021-05-25 15:06:50 strit So I might be able to give pointers and advice, depending of the OS you are basing on.
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2021-05-25 15:09:43 fedx Well thank you so much. I need a mentor to start so nothing is set in stone as of the moment. Mind if I send some paperwork documenting that I am not participating in dangerous scientific acts?
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2021-05-25 15:11:04 strit Not sure how dangerous putting together a bunch of linux packages can be.... 😉
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2021-05-25 15:14:34 fedx Thanks so much. I mean there’s Kali?
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2021-05-25 15:15:42 strit Kali is made for a very specific usecase though. 😉
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2021-05-25 15:17:42 fedx Agreed, but it also is how you use it.
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2021-05-25 15:18:44 strit Kali shouldn't really be used outside those couple of usecases.
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2021-05-25 15:21:21 fedx Yah, it technically can work for anything if you try hard enough, but it would not be fun.
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2021-05-25 15:21:41 strit That's linux in general though.
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2021-05-25 15:22:27 fedx Yah, mind if I DM the documents to you?
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2021-05-25 15:22:47 strit Sure.
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2021-05-25 15:22:47 strit Sure.
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2021-05-25 15:22:27 fedx Yah, mind if I DM the documents to you?
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2021-05-25 15:21:41 strit That's linux in general though.
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2021-05-25 15:21:21 fedx Yah, it technically can work for anything if you try hard enough, but it would not be fun.
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2021-05-25 15:18:44 strit Kali shouldn't really be used outside those couple of usecases.
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2021-05-25 15:17:42 fedx Agreed, but it also is how you use it.
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2021-05-25 15:15:42 strit Kali is made for a very specific usecase though. 😉
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2021-05-25 15:14:34 fedx Thanks so much. I mean there’s Kali?
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2021-05-25 15:11:04 strit Not sure how dangerous putting together a bunch of linux packages can be.... 😉
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2021-05-26 00:27:16 masonbeelimited My pre-coffee thought of the morning: Microsoft using WSL and allowing GUI apps to run under Windows means there can never be a killer app on linux.
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2021-05-26 01:40:01 d-io We have killer operating systems, though. Microsoft will never achieve something far more fundamental - an operating system that respects its users
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2021-05-26 01:41:27 d-io Most people don't switch to Linux for a few apps anyway, it's a whole bunch of reasons
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2021-05-26 02:10:57 masonbeelimited Linux as an app :) LAAA!
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2021-05-26 02:15:28 masonbeelimited True, I switched to Linux because of interest and it aligned with my software political views (A long long time ago, I can still remember when xp used to make me cry, and i knew that if I had my chance, i could make that hardware dance, and maybe not be spied on for a while. Ms Vista made me shiver, with every update they delivered....etc...)
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2021-05-26 02:22:38 irunbash My hope is that after WSL GUI support is released we can make a pretty compelling argument for targeting Linux as the exclusive desktop platform.
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2021-05-26 02:24:32 irunbash I mean… what company wouldn’t want to have one codebase for Windows, ChromeOS, and this thing a lot of strange people seem to like called Linux.
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2021-05-26 02:25:14 d-io I really doubt it. Do you really expect all people to be able to set up WSL on their computers? It would be black magic to them
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2021-05-26 02:25:44 masonbeelimited Windows and ChromeOS yes, but the Linux GUI market is pretty small.
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2021-05-26 02:25:47 d-io Maybe developer focused apps will be released like that, but that's the best we can hope for
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2021-05-26 02:26:26 irunbash You could just make an installer on windows that sets it up.
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2021-05-26 02:29:40 irunbash Installing is a trivial issue. The real problem I see is moving from a legacy app.
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2021-05-26 02:29:55 irunbash And developer onboarding
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2021-05-26 02:29:55 d-io WSL itself is under Microsoft's control. They won't make it into something that threatens Windows in any way, and losing apps isn't something they will allow to happen
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2021-05-26 02:30:18 irunbash It doesn’t threaten Microsoft tho.
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2021-05-26 02:32:55 irunbash Why would they care if your app is a native windows app or Linux though WSL?
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2021-05-26 02:55:18 d-io Well, it doesn't work like a Windows app with all the features. And I'm not sure that WSL is available on Windows Home editions
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2021-05-26 04:09:53 terrestrial-alien does WSL being under GPL3 and non LPGL make Windows Open.Source too? time for opng!!!
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2021-05-26 04:12:31 terrestrial-alien 'cause if Microsoft is contributing code to the Linux Kernel for WSL... that's two masters stuff!
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2021-05-26 04:53:44 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Apparently, Oracle a "forever free" cloud tier with Arm / 24Gb ram / 4 vCPU
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2021-05-26 04:53:58 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be * Apparently, Oracle has a "forever free" cloud tier with Arm / 24Gb ram / 4 vCPU
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2021-05-26 04:54:48 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Interesting to see if one could run software on there which you'd normally run on the Pi
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2021-05-26 04:54:58 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be PiHole in the cloud? Or VPN...
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2021-05-26 05:04:20 d-io > In reply to @carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be
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2021-05-26 05:04:20 > Apparently, Oracle a "forever free" cloud tier with Arm /
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2021-05-26 05:04:20 > 24Gb ram / 4 vCPU
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2021-05-26 05:04:20 Free cloud? What's the benefit for them?
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2021-05-26 05:12:38 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Probably a marketting lure
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2021-05-26 05:13:06 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Lure you in with the free stuff, hope you buy in later at some point
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2021-05-26 05:13:54 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be I signed up and taken a look
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2021-05-26 05:14:03 d-io How is it?
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2021-05-26 05:14:17 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Well, it feels like Oracle
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2021-05-26 05:14:37 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be But I can't seem to find the the ARM tier I've read about
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2021-05-26 05:15:04 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Maybe because it's not available in the Amsterdam region I'm looking at
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2021-05-26 05:15:07 d-io So no free tier after all?
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2021-05-26 05:15:17 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be There seems to be some free stuff
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2021-05-26 05:15:39 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Also a funny tongue in cheek "Oh btw, you should check out our Oracle Linux" when selecting CentOS
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2021-05-26 05:16:14 d-io Of course... It's like Microsoft annoying people with Edge
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2021-05-26 05:16:33 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be <image.png> [https://matrix.wyattjmiller.com:443/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.carroarmato0.be/OtTHgikHZexmCXPTyMkUfBTz]
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2021-05-26 05:17:34 d-io Seems like viewing messages in the current version of FluffyChat is broken
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2021-05-26 05:17:47 d-io * Seems like viewing images in the current version of FluffyChat is broken
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2021-05-26 05:18:18 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be It was a gamble for me to paste this in Element on Matrix :D
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2021-05-26 05:18:42 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be I'll see if I can upload some images on imgr or the likes
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2021-05-26 05:19:14 d-io > In reply to @carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be
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2021-05-26 05:19:14 > It was a gamble for me to paste this in Element on Matrix
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2021-05-26 05:19:14 > :D
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2021-05-26 05:19:14 Why? It usually works haha
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2021-05-26 05:19:24 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Oh ok
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2021-05-26 05:19:34 d-io I'll just check from my desktop, it's okay
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2021-05-26 05:19:47 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Was thinking more towards people using a bridge from IRC
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2021-05-26 05:20:00 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Not sure what appears there :D
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2021-05-26 05:20:10 d-io Oh yeah, I wonder how bridges work with images on IRC
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2021-05-26 05:21:49 d-io Aha, so you found it
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2021-05-26 05:23:07 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Hmm
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2021-05-26 05:23:24 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Unfortunately once you've selected your Home Region, you can't change
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2021-05-26 05:24:12 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be So can't switch to a US region to check if it's an availability thing with regards to their free arm tier
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2021-05-26 05:29:44 d-io 24 GB of RAM is pretty generous for a free tier
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2021-05-26 08:18:06 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be Haven't found it yet
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2021-05-26 08:18:17 carroarmato0:matrix.carroarmato0.be It's all unicorns to me until I see it :)
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2021-05-26 10:08:58 sean:thrailkill.cloud https://www.oracle.com/cloud/free/#always-free
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2021-05-26 10:11:31 <-- @dafio:matrix.org (None) has left #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-05-26 10:52:07 kusuriya that seems very oracleish
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2021-05-26 10:52:20 kusuriya "first hit is free kid" -- Uncle Larry
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2021-05-26 11:24:40 thornbill Google Compute and AWS have similar programs 🤷♂️
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2021-05-26 16:39:01 kusuriya sorta with one exception, AWS' free tier is 1 year, so you need to make a new account every year if you want to keep using it, and GCP's if I remember right is 90 days
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2021-05-26 16:39:34 kusuriya Azure I forget if theirs is also a year but there are limits on their free tier as well but its super easy to get credits for Azure
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2021-05-26 16:47:57 paperdigits The Glimpse editor has gone into hibernation and has archived their github repo
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2021-05-26 17:07:16 thornbill > In reply to @kusuriya:corrupted.io
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2021-05-26 17:07:16 > sorta with one exception, AWS' free tier is 1 year, so you
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2021-05-26 17:07:16 > need to make a new account every year if you want to keep
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2021-05-26 17:07:16 > using it, and GCP's if I remember right is 90 days
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2021-05-26 17:07:16 GCP has the free trial but also has “free tier” that is always free. I thought AWS had an equivalent but I’m not 100% sure on that.
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2021-05-26 17:07:39 kusuriya AWS I know for sure doesnt have an always free tier
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2021-05-26 17:08:07 kusuriya Mr Bezos needs those quarters for his Hoard
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2021-05-26 17:08:12 thornbill https://aws.amazon.com/free/
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2021-05-26 17:08:31 kusuriya yeah read the really fine print on that
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2021-05-26 17:09:27 drewzero1 mica: Sad news! I really liked the direction they seemed to be going. Blog post from the maintainers about the decision here, for the curious: https://glimpse-editor.org/posts/a-project-on-hiatus
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2021-05-26 17:09:32 kusuriya but TIL lamba is now always free
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2021-05-26 17:10:30 paperdigits > In reply to @drewzero1:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:10:30 > mica: Sad news! I really liked the direction they seemed
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2021-05-26 17:10:30 > to be going. Blog post from the maintainers about the
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2021-05-26 17:10:30 > decision here, for the curious: https://glimpse-
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2021-05-26 17:10:30 > editor.org/posts/a-project-on-hiatus
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2021-05-26 17:10:30 Yes, I never had a problem with the gimp name, but glimpse at least did work
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2021-05-26 17:10:59 paperdigits Suck that it seems oracle, the dude's workplace was keeping tabs on what he was doing in his free time.
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2021-05-26 17:11:19 paperdigits That's some late stage capitalism for ya
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2021-05-26 17:17:01 drewzero1 > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:17:01 > Yes, I never had a problem with the gimp name, but glimpse
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2021-05-26 17:17:01 > at least did work
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2021-05-26 17:17:01 Yeah, I didn't love the name. I started using it as a teen and my mom was very worried about what kind of weird software I was downloading. (As if it wasn't hard enough to switch to free/alternative software in the '00s!)
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2021-05-26 17:17:01 It might be stuff that's also in the latest versions of GIMP, but I liked the UX in Glimpse.
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2021-05-26 17:17:58 paperdigits > In reply to @drewzero1:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:17:58 > Yeah, I didn't love the name. I started using it as a teen
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2021-05-26 17:17:58 > and my mom was very worried about what kind of weird
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2021-05-26 17:17:58 > software I was downloading. (As if it wasn't hard enough
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2021-05-26 17:17:58 > to switch to free/alternative software in the '00s!) It
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2021-05-26 17:17:58 > might be stuff that's also in the latest versions of GIMP,
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2021-05-26 17:17:58 > but I liked the UX in Glimpse.
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2021-05-26 17:17:58 Glimpse never changed any UX or UI from gimp, they patched out the gimp name
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2021-05-26 17:19:47 drewzero1 > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:19:47 > Glimpse never changed any UX or UI from gimp, they patched
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2021-05-26 17:19:47 > out the gimp name
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2021-05-26 17:19:47 Well then, props to GIMP for improving their interface!
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2021-05-26 17:21:10 paperdigits > In reply to @drewzero1:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:21:10 > Well then, props to GIMP for improving their interface!
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2021-05-26 17:21:10 Gtk 3 is on the way! Just in time for gtk 4 :D
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2021-05-26 17:21:26 corrinado I didn't have anything against glimpse as a project, but I never felt that what they were offering was compelling in any way. Perhaps that shows my age? I understand their reasoning for attempting a change to the name, but imho it needed to be combined with some other improvements before I could be enticed to give it a go.
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2021-05-26 17:22:56 paperdigits > In reply to @corrinado:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:22:56 > I didn't have anything against glimpse as a project, but I
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2021-05-26 17:22:56 > never felt that what they were offering was compelling in
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2021-05-26 17:22:56 > any way. Perhaps that shows my age? I understand their
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2021-05-26 17:22:56 > reasoning for attempting a change to the name, but imho it
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2021-05-26 17:22:56 > needed to be combined with some other improvements before
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2021-05-26 17:22:56 > I could be enticed to give it a go.
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2021-05-26 17:22:56 If anything, it gave people who hate the name gimp a place to contribute and put their energy in positive direction.
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2021-05-26 17:23:36 konomi Biggest problem with gimp is even trying to suggest using it in any work environment, you'll get the glare of your life the second you mention the name along with a "we can't use something with that name in our organisation" I honestly just wish they'd change it it hurts adoption massively
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2021-05-26 17:24:05 infoseclibsoc Check out Glimpse
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2021-05-26 17:24:31 infoseclibsoc It’s a rebranded and slightly redesigned version of what is essentially Gimp
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2021-05-26 17:24:45 konomi Literally just a post a few messages above how glimpse is more than likely a dead project now
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2021-05-26 17:25:00 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com > In reply to @drewzero1:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:25:00 > mica: Sad news! I really liked the direction they seemed
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2021-05-26 17:25:00 > to be going. Blog post from the maintainers about the
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2021-05-26 17:25:00 > decision here, for the curious: https://glimpse-
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2021-05-26 17:25:00 > editor.org/posts/a-project-on-hiatus
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2021-05-26 17:25:00 infoseclibsoc: ^
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2021-05-26 17:25:02 infoseclibsoc Ah you did? Opps lol
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2021-05-26 17:27:13 paperdigits > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:27:13 > Biggest problem with gimp is even trying to suggest using
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2021-05-26 17:27:13 > it in any work environment, you'll get the glare of your
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2021-05-26 17:27:13 > life the second you mention the name along with a "we
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2021-05-26 17:27:13 > can't use something with that name in our organisation" I
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2021-05-26 17:27:13 > honestly just wish they'd change it it hurts adoption
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2021-05-26 17:27:13 > massively
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2021-05-26 17:27:13 That's what glimpse was... But not enough people wanted to keep it going.
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2021-05-26 17:27:29 infoseclibsoc Ah man, shame
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2021-05-26 17:27:34 infoseclibsoc It was much better looking
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2021-05-26 17:27:44 paperdigits Seemed like it was a one-ish person show
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2021-05-26 17:27:55 paperdigits infoseclibsoc: they changed none of the ux or ui
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2021-05-26 17:28:01 konomi That's because it's easier for orgs to throw some money at adobe
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2021-05-26 17:28:06 paperdigits So I dunno how it was better looking
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2021-05-26 17:28:22 infoseclibsoc Honestly though, isn’t there a simple skin to get Gimp to resemble PS and then it’s a job done?
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2021-05-26 17:28:23 simondanerd I think that glimpse is a viable option. I think I may start using it in the place of GIMP. Too bad.
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2021-05-26 17:28:50 simondanerd > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:28:50 > Honestly though, isn’t there a simple skin to get Gimp to
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2021-05-26 17:28:50 > resemble PS and then it’s a job done?
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2021-05-26 17:28:50 Yes, it's quite easy to move things around to make it look like PS
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2021-05-26 17:28:54 paperdigits > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:28:54 > Honestly though, isn’t there a simple skin to get Gimp to
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2021-05-26 17:28:54 > resemble PS and then it’s a job done?
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2021-05-26 17:28:54 That will just be more.confusing because it isn't exactly like ps
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2021-05-26 17:29:12 konomi It never ended up in Debian repos for me so stuck with gimp
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2021-05-26 17:29:23 simondanerd True. It is how I started using it tho.
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2021-05-26 17:29:28 infoseclibsoc Professionally speaking people I know learn a tool and then that’s ‘what they know’ for a very long time afterwards…is there an officially skin/mod that does this perfectly ?
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2021-05-26 17:29:29 paperdigits Also... Did you see if you want to save a jpeg in PS now you get to use the Export As menu... Just like gimp ;)
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2021-05-26 17:30:06 konomi Replicating the most annoying feature of gimp nice work adobe
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2021-05-26 17:30:08 paperdigits > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:30:08 > Professionally speaking people I know learn a tool and
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2021-05-26 17:30:08 > then that’s ‘what they know’ for a very long time
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2021-05-26 17:30:08 > afterwards…is there an officially skin/mod that does this
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2021-05-26 17:30:08 > perfectly ?
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2021-05-26 17:30:08 No and there never will be one that does it perfectly. There isn't feature parity
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2021-05-26 17:30:38 infoseclibsoc (With the exception of different form factors: many have jumped ship to ProCreaten on iPad - it’s a $9.99 one off charge and they rave about it )
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2021-05-26 17:30:48 infoseclibsoc *Procreate, sorry
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2021-05-26 17:30:50 paperdigits Gimp doesn't want to be "free Photoshop" and it isn't I don't care what your mom's cousin's son's friend told you
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2021-05-26 17:31:17 paperdigits ;P
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2021-05-26 17:31:36 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:31:36 > No and there never will be one that does it perfectly.
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2021-05-26 17:31:36 > There isn't feature parity
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2021-05-26 17:31:36 They could grey out the box for entries that don’t exist perhaps? At least people would ‘know’ easily what’s missing…. Just a thought
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2021-05-26 17:31:56 konomi Don't worry people care about what gimp wants about as much as gimp cares about changing their project name
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2021-05-26 17:32:29 paperdigits > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:32:29 > They could grey out the box for entries that don’t exist
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2021-05-26 17:32:29 > perhaps? At least people would ‘know’ easily what’s
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2021-05-26 17:32:29 > missing…. Just a thought
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2021-05-26 17:32:29 Patches accepted!
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2021-05-26 17:33:07 konomi And honestly I only use it for the same reason most people use Photoshop I just got used to it
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2021-05-26 17:33:16 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:33:16 > Patches accepted!
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2021-05-26 17:33:16 It’s not about code: it’s about design/UX choices
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2021-05-26 17:33:39 paperdigits Code makes ux and ui
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2021-05-26 17:34:13 konomi Its also more like sub par free Photoshop than anything
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2021-05-26 17:34:29 paperdigits Easy to say "just do this" but harder to actually do it
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2021-05-26 17:35:20 paperdigits > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:35:20 > Its also more like sub par free Photoshop than anything
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2021-05-26 17:35:20 Works for me just fine... And apparently good enough for you too
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2021-05-26 17:35:43 konomi Yes it's a very good free photoshop
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2021-05-26 17:35:44 paperdigits I've been seeking this person who uses every Photoshop feature for years
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2021-05-26 17:36:11 konomi I hope to replace it with a slightly better free photoshop if anything takes it's place
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2021-05-26 17:36:58 paperdigits You can use krita
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2021-05-26 17:36:59 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:36:59 > Code makes ux and ui
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2021-05-26 17:36:59 That’s a meaningless observation: The design vision informs the code being written. It comes first, or should do
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2021-05-26 17:37:30 paperdigits > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:37:30 > That’s a meaningless observation: The design vision
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2021-05-26 17:37:30 > informs the code being written. It comes first, or should
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2021-05-26 17:37:30 > do
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2021-05-26 17:37:30 About as meaningless as "make it like Photoshop" yes ;)
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2021-05-26 17:38:04 konomi I mean they did get around to the single user interface after being hounded for years
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2021-05-26 17:38:05 infoseclibsoc If you worked at the Royal Academy if Arts in London like I do then you’d perhaps have a leg to stand on….
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2021-05-26 17:38:12 infoseclibsoc *of
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2021-05-26 17:38:20 konomi So make it like photoshop won out on that one
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2021-05-26 17:38:29 paperdigits I don't need to flex my credentials but OK.
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2021-05-26 17:38:48 konomi *single window interface
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2021-05-26 17:38:50 infoseclibsoc Their entire student post graduate department repeat the same thing to be, every year: why learn this? It’s complex, it’s ‘new’, design is poor, no parity etc
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2021-05-26 17:39:05 paperdigits > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:39:05 > *single window interface
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2021-05-26 17:39:05 Already there and default in the latest release
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2021-05-26 17:39:22 paperdigits Has been for a while.
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2021-05-26 17:39:59 infoseclibsoc I mean, making bold claims requires experience or expertise in getting user feedback. I’d say defending free photoshop for the clearly stated objections of actual designers seems a strange hill to die on. Right?
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2021-05-26 17:40:18 konomi Yes and I remember when people asked for it and how long gimp decided it wasn't needed
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2021-05-26 17:40:46 paperdigits > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:40:46 > Yes and I remember when people asked for it and how long
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2021-05-26 17:40:46 > gimp decided it wasn't needed
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2021-05-26 17:40:46 OK so we'll keep living in the past or... ?
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2021-05-26 17:41:33 konomi I'm firmly in the present but that wasn't really the topic the point was gimp has already become more like photoshop
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2021-05-26 17:42:05 konomi So while the phrase "more like photoshop" might annoy them they have obviously made gimp more like photoshop
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2021-05-26 17:42:17 konomi And that change is one example of them doing so
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2021-05-26 17:42:31 paperdigits OK good.
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2021-05-26 17:44:19 infoseclibsoc Low user adoption will kill Gimp: Photoshop is the industry standard and people are used to it, rightly or wrongly
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2021-05-26 17:44:41 konomi One other was but don't quote me I think the fuzzy select tool used to be 30 by default it was changed to 10 which made it behave more like photoshop
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2021-05-26 17:45:23 konomi I don't think we'll ever get a nice open source image editor at least not one that will see wide adoption
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2021-05-26 17:46:01 paperdigits Its nice for me I use it all the time. It has all the features I need.
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2021-05-26 17:46:02 infoseclibsoc Adobe Lightroom also managed to establish itself as an industry standard DAM (digital asset manager) that is hard to get photographers to move away from: and the integrations with PS make that even harder to sever
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2021-05-26 17:46:30 paperdigits Lightroom seems to be a good DAM, but the editor is not great
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2021-05-26 17:46:40 paperdigits But all DAM software is bad
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2021-05-26 17:47:22 paperdigits Like... People have some whacky workflows then say "why don't you support that?"
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2021-05-26 17:47:29 paperdigits Photographers are the worst.
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2021-05-26 17:48:36 infoseclibsoc It’s slow, poorly optimised but is the only reason I have win 10 still : the Linux alternatives are poor
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2021-05-26 17:49:03 konomi I can't honestly speak about the current offerings I've used gimp for so long and not touched photoshop for a long time, friends I know though sooner pirate photoshop than use gimp
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2021-05-26 17:49:30 paperdigits Yeah but people never want to relearn tooling
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2021-05-26 17:49:33 corrinado I get the enterprise adoption argument at base. I suppose I've never met an enterprise that was using anything other than PS on macs. The only GIMP I ever saw at users desks were outside of the graphics arts/marketing departments and were individual choices based on the fact that the company wasn't willing to purchase PS licenses for non-graphics artists. A lot of my generation was ok with initialisms (for right or wrong). But I get the arguments against it.
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2021-05-26 17:49:50 paperdigits Tools should be a one-time time investment and then work the same forever
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2021-05-26 17:50:14 konomi All the guides they read are for photoshop, trying to get those guides to work in gimp at times is next to impossible
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2021-05-26 17:50:18 paperdigits Like a shovel
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2021-05-26 17:50:40 paperdigits Maybe I got lucky, but my professors taught concepts
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2021-05-26 17:50:59 paperdigits So when I left Photoshop for gimp, it was learning some menus and clicking stuff
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2021-05-26 17:51:12 paperdigits But I knew the conceptual stuff so things still made sense.
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2021-05-26 17:51:22 infoseclibsoc Adding folders into LR and then have that folder structure abstracted away into dates is excellent: Capture One copied it, they all did. The Linux alternatives just show you a folder view and it gets messy. Not to mention the. Video support on Linux options is poor and doesn’t integrate directly into Gimp etc. And then there’s the legacy migrations issue: you can’t get your edits off if PS into any Linux alternative and have them all imported
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2021-05-26 17:53:14 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:53:14 > So when I left Photoshop for gimp, it was learning some
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2021-05-26 17:53:14 > menus and clicking stuff
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2021-05-26 17:53:14 Muscle memory is a real thing: the fact that Adobe can hike up the prices AND STILL make $8 billion in profit means people don’t want to switch and it’s painful to do so.
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2021-05-26 17:53:23 paperdigits You can sort by date in digiKam and darktable
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2021-05-26 17:54:21 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:54:21 > All the guides they read are for photoshop, trying to get
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2021-05-26 17:54:21 > those guides to work in gimp at times is next to
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2021-05-26 17:54:21 > impossible
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2021-05-26 17:54:21 Yeah, the entire ecosystem of training is a real boon to PS users
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2021-05-26 17:55:05 bmo.dev It's been a minute since I used Photoshop, but don't most people use the feature set of CS5 anyway? I've heard they've done some cool AI stuff, but most of the standard tools have been there for a while
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2021-05-26 17:55:17 konomi Yep get the fast learning experience vs spending multiple hours wondering why your result doesn't look the same as the example
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2021-05-26 17:55:50 paperdigits Translating stuff between applications isn't that difficult if you understand the concepts and what you're trying to accomplish. But most don't.
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2021-05-26 17:56:00 konomi Image editor hard mode popped into my head for a second
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2021-05-26 17:56:03 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:56:03 > Yep get the fast learning experience vs spending multiple
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2021-05-26 17:56:03 > hours wondering why your result doesn't look the same as
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2021-05-26 17:56:03 > the example
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2021-05-26 17:56:03 Pirate it, is the easy answer. But it still doesn’t run on Linux so you need Windows :(
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2021-05-26 17:56:04 paperdigits Sadly we now teach button clicking instead of concepts
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2021-05-26 17:56:17 corrinado > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:56:17 > All the guides they read are for photoshop, trying to get
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2021-05-26 17:56:17 > those guides to work in gimp at times is next to
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2021-05-26 17:56:17 > impossible
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2021-05-26 17:56:17 To mica's point: Concepts are powerful and are a great way to translate guides to different tools. Unfortunately a lot of muscle memory gets in the way all too often.
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2021-05-26 17:57:06 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:57:06 > Translating stuff between applications isn't that
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2021-05-26 17:57:06 > difficult if you understand the concepts and what you're
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2021-05-26 17:57:06 > trying to accomplish. But most don't.
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2021-05-26 17:57:06 That’s a Dev talking: people don’t work that way. That’s why Apple make billions. It’s the UX and UI.
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2021-05-26 17:57:15 paperdigits Sorry but we can't help you if all you know is how to perform a 36 button click procedure in photo shop but have no idea what you're actually doing.
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2021-05-26 17:57:41 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:57:41 > Sorry but we can't help you if all you know is how to
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2021-05-26 17:57:41 > perform a 36 button click procedure in photo shop but have
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2021-05-26 17:57:41 > no idea what you're actually doing.
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2021-05-26 17:57:41 Then they’ll pay Adobe lol
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2021-05-26 17:57:46 konomi Not everyone wants to get deep down into the theory of their tools though
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2021-05-26 17:57:50 paperdigits > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:57:50 > That’s a Dev talking: people don’t work that way. That’s
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2021-05-26 17:57:50 > why Apple make billions. It’s the UX and UI.
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2021-05-26 17:57:50 Im not a dev but ok
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2021-05-26 17:58:09 paperdigits Its the theory of photography, not the tools
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2021-05-26 17:58:45 konomi Eh I think apples ui can be quite confusing at times they do do it right at times
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2021-05-26 17:58:45 paperdigits Adobe has done an excellent job of abstracting away everything difficult into a one slider solution that works great until it fails.
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2021-05-26 17:58:49 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:58:49 > Not everyone wants to get deep down into the theory of
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2021-05-26 17:58:49 > their tools though
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2021-05-26 17:58:49 Poor software design means they have to: it’s utter madness to even argue people should have to and is why adoption is so low in comparison .
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2021-05-26 17:59:14 konomi But their popularity isn't based entirely off of good ux/ui
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2021-05-26 17:59:33 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 17:59:33 > Adobe has done an excellent job of abstracting away
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2021-05-26 17:59:33 > everything difficult into a one slider solution that works
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2021-05-26 17:59:33 > great until it fails.
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2021-05-26 17:59:33 £120k a year job later though and it’s not your problem: support picks up the tab and life goes on.
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2021-05-26 18:00:01 konomi From what the users of say iphones tell me they go apple because it's familiar easy to get help with and repairers are easier to find
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2021-05-26 18:00:09 konomi Monoculture can be useful
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2021-05-26 18:01:06 paperdigits > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:01:06 > £120k a year job later though and it’s not your problem:
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2021-05-26 18:01:06 > support picks up the tab and life goes on.
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2021-05-26 18:01:06 I don't understand what this means.
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2021-05-26 18:01:12 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:01:12 > But their popularity isn't based entirely off of good
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2021-05-26 18:01:12 > ux/ui
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2021-05-26 18:01:12 True: marketing , training , social media , financial incentives to institutions to adopt their software etc. They all play a part. But I mean in terms of getting people to switch , familiarity is really attracting
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2021-05-26 18:01:48 konomi Where as your weird not Samsung android phone is going to be a lot harder to manage
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2021-05-26 18:01:56 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:01:56 > I don't understand what this means.
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2021-05-26 18:01:56 PS works fine: my job using it means I can deal with the ‘fails’ as they come but I’m still earning . Gimp doesn’t give me, or others. , this benefit
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2021-05-26 18:02:05 paperdigits All the training material is written by adobe and they loop.you in with student discounts and whatever
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2021-05-26 18:02:20 kusuriya yep thats how a lot of places get you
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2021-05-26 18:02:25 kusuriya get the kids young
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2021-05-26 18:02:42 paperdigits PS is just a obtuse as GIMP
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2021-05-26 18:02:59 paperdigits You need to know what you want before you get in the application.
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2021-05-26 18:03:08 kusuriya yep but you learned it in school and your first job made you use it, etc etc etc
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2021-05-26 18:03:24 konomi Yep more learning resources
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2021-05-26 18:03:41 paperdigits Yes, this is the same problem as windows vs Linux
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2021-05-26 18:03:53 konomi I do agree PS is obtuse to use gimp shares that attribute with it
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2021-05-26 18:03:59 kusuriya thats how Microsoft got to be king for office software too
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2021-05-26 18:04:13 kusuriya got everyone used to Word and Outlook in school or at work
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2021-05-26 18:04:18 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:04:18 > You need to know what you want before you get in the
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2021-05-26 18:04:18 > application.
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2021-05-26 18:04:18 Context is everything though: PS is the incumbent, Gimp isn’t. It needs to do different things to succeed to PS. Adobe price gouging still doesn’t seem to upset it’s user base !
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2021-05-26 18:04:20 kusuriya and people chase what they know
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2021-05-26 18:04:21 konomi I was trying to do multiple selects on gimp for exampe
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2021-05-26 18:04:53 konomi You'd think you could just select multiple layers at once to add selects or just switch layers and add another select
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2021-05-26 18:05:03 konomi Nope you have to save your select as a path
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2021-05-26 18:05:21 konomi They apply it to the other layer with that select
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2021-05-26 18:05:28 paperdigits What do you mean by "selects"?
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2021-05-26 18:05:41 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:05:41 > You'd think you could just select multiple layers at once
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2021-05-26 18:05:41 > to add selects or just switch layers and add another
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2021-05-26 18:05:41 > select
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2021-05-26 18:05:41 Art grad student > Uninstall Gimp lol
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2021-05-26 18:06:11 paperdigits Man I can't wait to go to photography conferences.
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2021-05-26 18:06:16 konomi Web searching for help got me no where just kept trying things until I found something that worked
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2021-05-26 18:06:16 infoseclibsoc Workflow issues like this are the most infuriating
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2021-05-26 18:06:24 paperdigits Its going to be a shitshow
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2021-05-26 18:07:03 konomi I don't know how PS would do what I wanted but gimp does it terribly
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2021-05-26 18:07:11 infoseclibsoc I suspect Blender doesn’t have these issues, being more established as a viable industry tool?
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2021-05-26 18:07:50 paperdigits > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:07:50 > I suspect Blender doesn’t have these issues, being more
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2021-05-26 18:07:50 > established as a viable industry tool?
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2021-05-26 18:07:50 It took 15 years of hard, dedicated work to get there, but yes, sort of
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2021-05-26 18:08:08 kusuriya Blender actually does have similar issues but they are not as bad because of 15 years of hard work getting companies to adopt it
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2021-05-26 18:08:16 konomi Least adobe won't get that, hopefully?
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2021-05-26 18:08:28 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:08:28 > Web searching for help got me no where just kept trying
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2021-05-26 18:08:28 > things until I found something that worked
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2021-05-26 18:08:28 Web searches for Gimp issues make me contemplate becoming a acetic monk
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2021-05-26 18:09:13 kusuriya and it was only really made possible because autodesk started slacking and doing very distasteful things and created an opening
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2021-05-26 18:09:25 paperdigits Blender is just barely getting established as an industry tool
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2021-05-26 18:09:29 kusuriya Gimp missed the similar opening with adobe sadly
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2021-05-26 18:09:30 konomi yeah the documentation for processes you might commonly want to do on gimp suck
|
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2021-05-26 18:10:20 kusuriya that was when adobe started making everyone go to Adobe Cloud, that would have been the time to go and showcase that with a bit of retraining you could get what adobe was now trying to turn into a service and get back your workflow
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2021-05-26 18:10:49 konomi computing making geeks hate clouds of all shapes and sizes
|
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2021-05-26 18:10:53 kusuriya the window has passed though so now its back to uphill battle
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2021-05-26 18:10:55 konomi I personally loath that freaking term
|
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2021-05-26 18:11:15 konomi generally follow it up with "on the cloud, you mean someone else's computer?"
|
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2021-05-26 18:11:50 kusuriya well artsy folks dont like the idea of my tools will change on a whim and I have to pay a subscription fee for the privilege of my tools changing 🤮
|
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2021-05-26 18:12:01 infoseclibsoc SaaS is much better as a term
|
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2021-05-26 18:12:15 kusuriya I only really got to know that feeling after working in a game studio
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2021-05-26 18:12:22 konomi I've heard I can't recall correctly but someone might know
|
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2021-05-26 18:12:25 kusuriya Artists are pickier than cats
|
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2021-05-26 18:12:27 paperdigits > In reply to @kusuriya:corrupted.io
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2021-05-26 18:12:27 > that was when adobe started making everyone go to Adobe
|
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2021-05-26 18:12:27 > Cloud, that would have been the time to go and showcase
|
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2021-05-26 18:12:27 > that with a bit of retraining you could get what adobe was
|
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2021-05-26 18:12:27 > now trying to turn into a service and get back your
|
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2021-05-26 18:12:27 > workflow
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2021-05-26 18:12:27 Actually we have quite a few new darktable users that left for this reason
|
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2021-05-26 18:13:01 kusuriya yep IMO darktable actually did capitalize on that pretty good and got a lot of people away from I think its lightroom
|
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2021-05-26 18:13:09 paperdigits And I suspect we will have more when Light room Classic stops being developed.
|
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2021-05-26 18:13:27 konomi honestly I think people get that having their image editor being cloud based isn't really beneficial to them
|
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2021-05-26 18:13:37 konomi mostly when the fees roll in
|
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2021-05-26 18:13:38 paperdigits And you get the Lightroom in a web browser with adboe cloud storage
|
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2021-05-26 18:13:44 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:13:44 > And I suspect we will have more when Light room Classic
|
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2021-05-26 18:13:44 > stops being developed.
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2021-05-26 18:13:44 Not liking that thought
|
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2021-05-26 18:13:45 kusuriya but to be fair also darktable was better than light room at the time you just had to get over the hump
|
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2021-05-26 18:14:06 paperdigits > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
|
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2021-05-26 18:14:06 > Not liking that thought
|
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2021-05-26 18:14:06 Obviously where they're going
|
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2021-05-26 18:14:18 konomi "hang on I brought this software 3 years ago and I'm still using it 5 years after that what am I paying for?"
|
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2021-05-26 18:14:19 kusuriya and the community was better at helping people over the hump than the gimp community has been IMO
|
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2021-05-26 18:14:24 konomi the cogs started turning
|
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2021-05-26 18:14:31 paperdigits So you can rent LR and pay them.for storage
|
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2021-05-26 18:14:39 paperdigits It'll be great or something
|
||
2021-05-26 18:15:09 paperdigits My SO is a full adobe suite user
|
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2021-05-26 18:15:11 kusuriya yep thats where they want to be and since so many companies did just that when they moved photoshop to adobe cloud SaaS only that is the way they will keep going
|
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2021-05-26 18:15:16 paperdigits Their cloud thing is horrific
|
||
2021-05-26 18:15:25 konomi also anyone caught on a bad internet connection will probably regret web based apps and the cloud pretty quickly
|
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2021-05-26 18:15:29 kusuriya oh yeah I havent heard a single person that LIKES adobe cloud
|
||
2021-05-26 18:15:39 kusuriya they just deal with it
|
||
2021-05-26 18:15:42 paperdigits They can't even sync fucking files
|
||
2021-05-26 18:15:57 paperdigits The cloud sync stalls like twice a day
|
||
2021-05-26 18:16:02 simondanerd That's true. It's a huge RAM hog at 500+ MB at idle.
|
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2021-05-26 18:16:27 konomi when you're glad you're a software dev and not a graphic designer
|
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2021-05-26 18:16:37 kusuriya it also thrashes your IO to do simple file syncs when it works
|
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2021-05-26 18:16:42 konomi it honestly sounds worse
|
||
2021-05-26 18:17:39 kusuriya I remember having to change out people's scratch devices when I worked in the game studio because a Xeon at 3GHz couldnt keep up because it was waiting on file IO constantly
|
||
2021-05-26 18:17:41 paperdigits Well, alternatives exist and there are.communities to help you switch
|
||
2021-05-26 18:17:55 paperdigits We are chillin, doing our thing over here
|
||
2021-05-26 18:17:56 kusuriya we needed to stripe several SSDs together to get it to behave right
|
||
2021-05-26 18:18:08 paperdigits Maybe not as slick as adobe
|
||
2021-05-26 18:18:14 paperdigits But... Freedom
|
||
2021-05-26 18:18:18 konomi should we code better, no the system resources are to blame
|
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2021-05-26 18:18:25 konomi why can't I spawn 1000 half open connections
|
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2021-05-26 18:18:29 kusuriya yeah the trick is we are edge cases here where freedom matters
|
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2021-05-26 18:18:31 konomi terrible admins 0/10
|
||
2021-05-26 18:18:49 kusuriya for a lot of people they couldnt give 2 cares about freedom they just want the software they are used to working
|
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2021-05-26 18:18:58 konomi sad but true
|
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2021-05-26 18:19:08 kusuriya or at least what they have been told to use working
|
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2021-05-26 18:19:17 konomi I am a proponent of sneaking in the freedom while making the software as easy to use as possible
|
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2021-05-26 18:19:35 konomi hence the rather salty rant about gimp
|
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2021-05-26 18:19:37 paperdigits At least for photographers, most are solo and choose their own tooling
|
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2021-05-26 18:19:41 paperdigits So... I dunno
|
||
2021-05-26 18:19:45 simondanerd You could bring in GIMP on a USB drive... That's what I do at school
|
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2021-05-26 18:19:48 kusuriya freedom is sadly not a desired feature, but making me pay a subscription fee... that hits the average person in the right spot
|
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2021-05-26 18:19:49 konomi mention pidgin and I might get even more salty :3
|
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2021-05-26 18:19:52 paperdigits Like I said, the community is here
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:27 konomi > In reply to @simondanerd:matrix.org
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:27 > You could bring in GIMP on a USB drive... That's what I do
|
||
2021-05-26 18:20:27 > at school
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:27 that sounds like hacking to me, time to visit the principle
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:34 kusuriya yeah the community is there but there is a level of outreach that needs to happen and IMO thats where gimp falls down pretty routinely
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:54 konomi mica: if I a may ask which community?
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:57 paperdigits > In reply to @kusuriya:corrupted.io
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2021-05-26 18:20:57 > yeah the community is there but there is a level of
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:57 > outreach that needs to happen and IMO thats where gimp
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:57 > falls down pretty routinely
|
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2021-05-26 18:20:57 They are doing better
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2021-05-26 18:21:05 konomi like is there a specific one I've just never found?
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2021-05-26 18:21:09 kusuriya they are improving
|
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2021-05-26 18:21:19 konomi talking about gimp of course
|
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2021-05-26 18:21:19 paperdigits > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:21:19 > mica: if I a may ask which community?
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2021-05-26 18:21:19 For photography, https://discuss.pixls.us
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2021-05-26 18:21:33 kusuriya but now they have to wait for the next break if they ever get one, hopefully it will be as adobe tries to force everything to *aaS
|
||
2021-05-26 18:21:44 kusuriya but adobe is sorta slow boiling that frog
|
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2021-05-26 18:21:48 konomi isn't discuss a bit on the nose for an open source peep?
|
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2021-05-26 18:22:03 paperdigits Discuss is the URL for our forum
|
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2021-05-26 18:22:18 paperdigits PIXLS.US is the community
|
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2021-05-26 18:22:21 konomi ah my bad 8 am and insomia I derped
|
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2021-05-26 18:22:37 paperdigits We have tutorials and blogs and what not
|
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2021-05-26 18:23:08 konomi oh this does look nice thanks for linking
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2021-05-26 18:23:30 kusuriya but yeah photographers are a bit of an easy one to hit because they do get to usually determine their full stack
|
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2021-05-26 18:23:34 paperdigits We make photos and software
|
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2021-05-26 18:23:39 konomi I'm not super into image editing I just want to be able to open gimp and do something a little beyond resizing an image without running and screaming into the night
|
||
2021-05-26 18:23:57 kusuriya when you get into things like graphic designers or games artists they pick what the Producer of art uses
|
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2021-05-26 18:24:04 paperdigits > In reply to @kusuriya:corrupted.io
|
||
2021-05-26 18:24:04 > but yeah photographers are a bit of an easy one to hit
|
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2021-05-26 18:24:04 > because they do get to usually determine their full stack
|
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2021-05-26 18:24:04 I'm a photographer, so I work with my tools
|
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2021-05-26 18:24:28 paperdigits I have professional friends who use only foss
|
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2021-05-26 18:24:34 kusuriya like the studio I worked in, the entire work flow top to bottom was what the Art producer used for decades
|
||
2021-05-26 18:24:35 paperdigits Inkscape and kdenlive
|
||
2021-05-26 18:24:57 konomi I only use open source atm I'd like to say foss but that's super hard to do
|
||
2021-05-26 18:25:09 konomi points at nvidia gpu
|
||
2021-05-26 18:25:11 kusuriya so 3dStudio Max, Photoshop, Lightroom, AfterEffects, and some software I always forget for light and shadow calculations
|
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2021-05-26 18:25:21 konomi points at mmo that I really like playing
|
||
2021-05-26 18:25:35 paperdigits Well nvidia... Ugh
|
||
2021-05-26 18:25:36 paperdigits Haha
|
||
2021-05-26 18:25:56 kusuriya it was painful being the tech for that sometimes
|
||
2021-05-26 18:25:54 konomi points at firmware that i have no clue about but is definitely plotting to kill me in my sleep
|
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2021-05-26 18:26:01 paperdigits kusuriya: yeah your studio has to be open to changr
|
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2021-05-26 18:26:09 paperdigits * kusuriya: yeah your studio has to be open to change
|
||
2021-05-26 18:26:33 paperdigits Blender is getting good traction in the gaming space
|
||
2021-05-26 18:26:34 konomi mica: I want an ati card I already have to do a lot of work to play my games with this card but yeah we all know how fun gfx cards are to get atm
|
||
2021-05-26 18:26:38 kusuriya mica: yep most studios are not sadly because one person gets to dictate them so you have to convince them there is a better way
|
||
2021-05-26 18:26:39 konomi sorry amd not ati
|
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2021-05-26 18:26:58 paperdigits I hope Godot will soon too, especially with a lot of gaming engines wanting a cut of the profit instead of licensing fees
|
||
2021-05-26 18:27:26 konomi I like my mmos I'm going to be stuck with them being non free for a very long time
|
||
2021-05-26 18:27:55 kusuriya I did that a bit a the studio I worked at and they ended up eventually using opensource tools for smaller parts of the system, and switching all non art version control from Perforce to git
|
||
2021-05-26 18:28:05 kusuriya art version control will probably forever remain in perforce though
|
||
2021-05-26 18:28:25 paperdigits Oh god perforce
|
||
2021-05-26 18:28:32 paperdigits Sorry for you
|
||
2021-05-26 18:28:36 kusuriya yep but for binary data there is nothing better
|
||
2021-05-26 18:28:51 kusuriya the art repo in git we stopped the import at 500TB
|
||
2021-05-26 18:28:57 kusuriya in perforce it was 25TB
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:04 paperdigits I like git annex
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:15 paperdigits But that might be too esoteric for most
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:26 paperdigits All my raw files are in git annex
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:26 idtn subversion isn't terrible for binary art assets
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:31 kusuriya it didnt work well with how many people we had checking in
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:31 idtn it's not the hotness but it's FOSS
|
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2021-05-26 18:29:36 konomi > In reply to @kusuriya:corrupted.io
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:36 > the art repo in git we stopped the import at 500TB
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:36 I'm sorry did you say 500tb of data in a git repo?
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:43 kusuriya Konomi (She/Her): yes
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:54 paperdigits Probably on windows too
|
||
2021-05-26 18:29:56 simondanerd Yikes...
|
||
2021-05-26 18:30:03 konomi the stunned look doesn't come through on text but I assure you I have it right now
|
||
2021-05-26 18:30:07 kusuriya the game is 10 years old, has 10 years worth of versioned art assets
|
||
2021-05-26 18:30:41 kusuriya and being a racing game the way they have the art assets constructed is basically like you would build a car
|
||
2021-05-26 18:30:51 simondanerd Time for a backup in archives?
|
||
2021-05-26 18:30:52 kusuriya so there are pistons, and carbs, tires, etc, etc
|
||
2021-05-26 18:31:08 kusuriya cant backup data youre using
|
||
2021-05-26 18:31:19 kusuriya well cant delete data youre using
|
||
2021-05-26 18:31:22 konomi did none of you sleep ;p
|
||
2021-05-26 18:31:34 kusuriya its a game studio, sleep isnt allowed
|
||
2021-05-26 18:31:41 simondanerd Oh. It's being used... That's a big game
|
||
2021-05-26 18:31:49 kusuriya yeah its Forza
|
||
2021-05-26 18:32:01 simondanerd 👀
|
||
2021-05-26 18:32:07 konomi ah you're not going to get into trouble for telling us this are you?
|
||
2021-05-26 18:32:18 kusuriya nope
|
||
2021-05-26 18:32:20 simondanerd (we won't tell)
|
||
2021-05-26 18:32:21 kusuriya all of it is mostly stale
|
||
2021-05-26 18:32:27 konomi just checking
|
||
2021-05-26 18:32:31 kusuriya I havent been under that NDA for almost 5 years now
|
||
2021-05-26 18:32:40 konomi companies tend to be a little, well mean?
|
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2021-05-26 18:32:46 idtn perforce in game dev isn't a secret I guess
|
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2021-05-26 18:32:56 kusuriya yeah
|
||
2021-05-26 18:33:00 kusuriya on both counts
|
||
2021-05-26 18:33:15 konomi I just like making sure the people I am talking to don't end up in trouble ;p
|
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2021-05-26 18:33:24 kusuriya there is legally not a ton they could do at this point even if they wanted to be mean
|
||
2021-05-26 18:33:43 konomi so on a scale of 1 to 10 how much did that gaming company make you want to leap off of something tall?
|
||
2021-05-26 18:33:46 kusuriya they would do it and I would ask for my 5 years of compensation
|
||
2021-05-26 18:33:50 kusuriya then everyone would walk away
|
||
2021-05-26 18:33:59 kusuriya 12
|
||
2021-05-26 18:34:04 konomi figured
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2021-05-26 18:34:13 idtn c r u n c h
|
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2021-05-26 18:34:15 kusuriya the studio wasnt bad, compared to other studios
|
||
2021-05-26 18:34:26 konomi honestly being a software dev is pretty terrible in general
|
||
2021-05-26 18:34:30 kusuriya but the average age is 25 and the expectations are high
|
||
2021-05-26 18:34:33 konomi I regret not getting into psychology
|
||
2021-05-26 18:34:59 kusuriya and nobody has any emphasis on anything but programming so being a systems guy there
|
||
2021-05-26 18:35:12 konomi companies from my experience seem to want to get devs now burn them out and just hire again
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:01 kusuriya game companies are the worst for it
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:10 konomi I've had it happen to me and anecdotally a bunch of people I know
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:12 kusuriya once you get out of startups and game companies things are getting better
|
||
2021-05-26 18:36:13 idtn it depends on the org, some can be good to be a dev in
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:16 idtn people tend to stay for years
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:21 idtn where I'm at
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:34 konomi unicorn orgs are rare ;p
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:40 kusuriya it depends heavily on the org and managers though idtn is right
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:42 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:42 > companies from my experience seem to want to get devs now
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:42 > burn them out and just hire again
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:42 Capitalism. It sucks balls
|
||
2021-05-26 18:36:43 idtn no, just boring I think
|
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2021-05-26 18:36:53 idtn stick with boring companies
|
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2021-05-26 18:37:02 kusuriya ive found it comes down to average age of the workforce
|
||
2021-05-26 18:36:57 konomi > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
|
||
2021-05-26 18:36:57 > Capitalism. It sucks balls
|
||
2021-05-26 18:36:57 apparently very poorly too
|
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2021-05-26 18:37:29 kusuriya so right around 30 you get companies that put more emphesis on growing people and making sure they dont burn out
|
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2021-05-26 18:37:35 idtn actually, I'll rephrase, get away from companies based out of the valley and it can be better
|
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2021-05-26 18:37:58 kusuriya and I assume its because so many people probably have families, kids, etc, etc, etc, and their management also has those things
|
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2021-05-26 18:38:00 konomi kusuriya: I feel like that's going to be the exception rather than the rule for software devs though
|
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2021-05-26 18:38:03 kusuriya so you get more sympathy
|
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2021-05-26 18:38:11 infoseclibsoc > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:38:11 > apparently very poorly too
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2021-05-26 18:38:11 Hate the system : fighting hard to change it every day though. Workers are expendable and left to rot as things currently stand
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2021-05-26 18:38:14 kusuriya hasnt been in my case
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2021-05-26 18:38:31 konomi > In reply to @infoseclibsoc:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:38:31 > Hate the system : fighting hard to change it every day
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2021-05-26 18:38:31 > though. Workers are expendable and left to rot as things
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2021-05-26 18:38:31 > currently stand
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2021-05-26 18:38:31 with you on that just don't feel like ranting about it right now
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2021-05-26 18:38:39 kusuriya Ive found dealing with software orgs the younger the org, and the closer to Silicon Valley they are the more likely they are to be turn and burn
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2021-05-26 18:39:00 kusuriya the older the org and/or the further away from the valley the less likely they are to be turn and burn
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2021-05-26 18:39:05 konomi I live in australia so the experience is ahem a world away ;p ?
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2021-05-26 18:39:20 konomi but my country seems well into the burn and cut or offshoring
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2021-05-26 18:39:35 kusuriya thats why I say in general I think it has more to do with age or maturity of an org
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2021-05-26 18:39:50 konomi maybe when I'l older then
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2021-05-26 18:40:03 kusuriya but from what I understand too .AU is also at the point the US was at in the mid 2000's where we were trying to send all the tech jobs off shore
|
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2021-05-26 18:40:19 kusuriya so we didnt care that we burnt through people there was a cheaper guy in india ready to replace you
|
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2021-05-26 18:40:25 idtn I'm sensitive to the turn and burn, I'm probably the old guy here
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2021-05-26 18:40:32 konomi the joke is we are 10 years delayed america so probably
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2021-05-26 18:41:26 kusuriya what got discovered with that at the time was the market wasnt ready to absorb that sorta work and it all ended up getting repatriated IIRC
|
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2021-05-26 18:41:33 idtn * I'm sensitive to the churn and burn, I'm probably the old guy here
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2021-05-26 18:41:51 idtn yeah that boomerang came right back on the forehead
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2021-05-26 18:42:05 idtn eastern europe is still pretty hot though
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2021-05-26 18:42:11 paperdigits Contractors also don't give a shit... they're there to do one specific job and do it as quickly as possible.
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2021-05-26 18:42:21 kusuriya mica: that too :D
|
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2021-05-26 18:42:34 paperdigits Even on-shore contractors
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2021-05-26 18:42:44 konomi I doubt we'll have the same realisation here
|
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2021-05-26 18:42:46 kusuriya yep
|
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2021-05-26 18:43:00 kusuriya you probably will and in probably the same way companies here did
|
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2021-05-26 18:43:19 konomi mostly because usa already has captured tech so there's no where else to go for that
|
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2021-05-26 18:43:23 kusuriya a string of easily preventable mistakes because contractors an ocean away DGAF or lie to you about their ability
|
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2021-05-26 18:43:47 kusuriya I wouldnt count on the US keeping tech talent in the mid term
|
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2021-05-26 18:44:25 kusuriya there are a lot of tech people here that are going back to the places they immigrated from for various reasons around current events
|
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2021-05-26 18:45:29 konomi I mean it really depends what opportunities will be available in their home countries
|
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2021-05-26 18:45:41 konomi I'm not sure many other countries can offer those as well as the usa
|
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2021-05-26 18:45:46 kusuriya especially since there are a lot of places that realized the cost savings of remote work thanks to 2020
|
||
2021-05-26 18:46:03 kusuriya > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
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2021-05-26 18:46:03 > I'm not sure many other countries can offer those as well
|
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2021-05-26 18:46:03 > as the usa
|
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2021-05-26 18:46:03 yet
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2021-05-26 18:46:19 paperdigits USA: we are sinking quickly.
|
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2021-05-26 18:46:38 kusuriya as you see tech people leave you'll see them bring freinds, start businesses if work doesnt exist
|
||
2021-05-26 18:46:43 kusuriya more places deal in remote work
|
||
2021-05-26 18:47:23 kusuriya the US sorta hit its foot with the shotgun and it may be hard to cauterize the wound
|
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2021-05-26 18:47:37 konomi mmn maybe but seems like the usa has been holding onto that for a long time I don't expect that to change for awhile
|
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2021-05-26 18:47:52 kusuriya yeah its really a medium term item
|
||
2021-05-26 18:47:55 kusuriya 5 - 25 years
|
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2021-05-26 18:48:08 konomi definitely agree with that timeline
|
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2021-05-26 18:48:15 kusuriya unless we get another incredibly boneheaded president that insists on shooting the other foot
|
||
2021-05-26 18:49:25 kusuriya but to be honest I think its going to be less of an exodus in the 8 - 25 year time frame and more of a we figured out how to incorporate remote work so were hiring globally now
|
||
2021-05-26 18:49:28 konomi can't have them not matching right :3 ?
|
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2021-05-26 18:49:35 simondanerd Knowing the American people, we might
|
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2021-05-26 18:49:49 kusuriya and probably sooner than later
|
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2021-05-26 18:50:35 paperdigits Trump Jr. 2024 watch out
|
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2021-05-26 18:50:48 simondanerd Lol
|
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2021-05-26 18:50:49 paperdigits If he can lay off the blow for 10 minutes
|
||
2021-05-26 18:50:59 kusuriya nah I think Sr. will try again in 2024
|
||
2021-05-26 18:51:04 kusuriya Jr will wait till 2028
|
||
2021-05-26 18:51:14 kusuriya gotta sober up first
|
||
2021-05-26 18:51:16 konomi I really hate insomnia I am too exhausted to do anything useful but I can't get sleep to be able to do something more significant later /rage
|
||
2021-05-26 18:51:55 kusuriya oof
|
||
2021-05-26 18:52:32 paperdigits God willing Sr. will be in jail by 2023
|
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2021-05-26 18:52:43 konomi that's my hope
|
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2021-05-26 18:53:00 konomi as awful as that sounds to say
|
||
2021-05-26 18:53:07 kusuriya I hope but most of me says no hes too slippery
|
||
2021-05-26 18:53:20 simondanerd > In reply to @kusuriya:corrupted.io
|
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2021-05-26 18:53:20 > Jr will wait till 2028
|
||
2021-05-26 18:53:20 He's getting a bit old... Maybe tho
|
||
2021-05-26 18:53:23 kusuriya hes been doing super shady illegal stuff that should have put him in jail for most of my life
|
||
2021-05-26 18:53:23 paperdigits Nah we can't hold people accountable
|
||
2021-05-26 18:53:37 paperdigits Especially people who tell us they're the most accountable.
|
||
2021-05-26 18:53:48 paperdigits Party of personal responsibility!
|
||
2021-05-26 18:54:00 kusuriya like if it was anyone other than trump what he did to fund his casino in Atlantic city would have put you in jail for the rest of your life
|
||
2021-05-26 18:54:17 kusuriya he got put on an allowance and repayment plan
|
||
2021-05-26 18:54:31 konomi what is he a house?
|
||
2021-05-26 18:54:44 kusuriya I have to wonder
|
||
2021-05-26 18:54:57 konomi my brain: "imagine the smell in that house" me: "please stop"
|
||
2021-05-26 18:55:25 kusuriya but to be honest in the next decade were going to see a shift to remote in the US
|
||
2021-05-26 18:55:24 paperdigits O no
|
||
2021-05-26 18:55:37 kusuriya and when that happens for tech roles were going to see people spread out
|
||
2021-05-26 18:55:51 kusuriya and its going to suck for people that bought property in the tech hubs like SF
|
||
2021-05-26 18:55:57 paperdigits I am 100% remote and its awesome
|
||
2021-05-26 18:56:01 kusuriya but maybe ill finally be able to afford the house I wanted
|
||
2021-05-26 18:56:11 konomi envious x.x
|
||
2021-05-26 18:56:39 konomi with my anxiety I'd love to work from home but businesses here are obsessed control freaks
|
||
2021-05-26 18:56:51 kusuriya Ive been 100% remote for 2020 and my employer says "we want you to come in when we open in 2022 to justify real estate expenses but..."
|
||
2021-05-26 18:57:15 kusuriya they are leaning toward asking for 1 day a year in the office minimum
|
||
2021-05-26 18:57:44 konomi we had another outbreak of covid here just after they started allowing employers to force people back to the middle of the city
|
||
2021-05-26 18:57:48 konomi it's a "great look"
|
||
2021-05-26 18:58:47 kusuriya yeah my parent company is basically telling the US side of the house "take care of your people nobody has to go into the office until things look better trust the WHO"
|
||
2021-05-26 18:59:03 konomi again much envy
|
||
2021-05-26 18:59:10 kusuriya its interesting to have our german arm's employee council speak for us
|
||
2021-05-26 18:59:33 kusuriya because normally they dont get a say on employees in the US :D
|
||
2021-05-26 19:01:11 konomi wonder if I can bother a doctor to give me sleeping pills, I tried last time and got the line "you're too young to be needing those"
|
||
2021-05-26 19:01:59 kusuriya they might have you try non drug based therapies first, which totally try them sleeping pills dont really give you restful sleep
|
||
2021-05-26 19:02:12 konomi tried rose hip stuff once
|
||
2021-05-26 19:02:22 konomi my burps smelt like flowers
|
||
2021-05-26 19:02:25 kusuriya meditation apparently works wonders
|
||
2021-05-26 19:02:33 konomi didn't really help with the sleeping part though
|
||
2021-05-26 19:03:03 kusuriya I dont know personally though the last time I had insomnia the doc just took my anti-depressants down a notch
|
||
2021-05-26 19:03:04 konomi meditation does not work for me
|
||
2021-05-26 19:03:10 konomi it's 100% or asleep
|
||
2021-05-26 19:04:46 konomi been like that since I was a kid and it;s really hard to get people to listen to those sort of problems
|
||
2021-05-26 19:04:52 konomi much less help with it
|
||
2021-05-26 19:07:46 rw_grim > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
|
||
2021-05-26 19:07:46 > mention pidgin and I might get even more salty :3
|
||
2021-05-26 19:07:46 hmm?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:09:08 simondanerd Lol that profile pic
|
||
2021-05-26 19:09:16 konomi I see you have an accounts.xml file, shame if anything were to... happen to it!!!
|
||
2021-05-26 19:11:04 rw_grim well apparently I'm missing a lot of context... anyways, if you have something to say about pidgin (good or bad) i'm all ears :)
|
||
2021-05-26 19:14:51 kusuriya just miss it :(
|
||
2021-05-26 19:15:14 rw_grim why are you missing it? we had 3 releases last month alone :)
|
||
2021-05-26 19:15:55 kusuriya because the networks I use every time I've tried to use it anymore just dont seem to work as well as they used to and I just crawl back to the native client
|
||
2021-05-26 19:16:05 kusuriya only exception was AWS Chime which I dont use anymore
|
||
2021-05-26 19:16:31 rw_grim gotcha, yeah pidgin2 has a lot of short comings that we can't exactly fix in pidgin2/purple2 because of api guaranties
|
||
2021-05-26 19:16:56 konomi honestly I've moved on from pidgin but one of the big problems I had was that it never supported OMEMO encryption
|
||
2021-05-26 19:17:16 konomi past that if it crashed it almost always took out the accounts.xml file filling it with garbage
|
||
2021-05-26 19:17:18 rw_grim Konomi (She/Her): there's a third party plugin named lurch that support omemeo on xmpp
|
||
2021-05-26 19:17:23 kusuriya its one that I keep checking in on the matrix plugin through waiting for it to get better because heck would I jump ship for that
|
||
2021-05-26 19:17:41 konomi grim: came too late to be useful
|
||
2021-05-26 19:17:41 rw_grim in 18 years of involvement with pidgin, a crash has never taken out my accounts.xml file
|
||
2021-05-26 19:17:46 konomi I'd already given up and left pidgin by then
|
||
2021-05-26 19:17:53 rw_grim not saying it didn't happen to you, but we can't fix what we can't reproduce :)
|
||
2021-05-26 19:18:36 konomi I don't really have much left to say past that very old memories now
|
||
2021-05-26 19:19:22 konomi pidgin logs 1 2010-03-25 to 2010-08-15 lets just say I used it for a very long time
|
||
2021-05-26 19:20:20 konomi really need to delete all that some time
|
||
2021-05-26 19:20:23 kusuriya yeah for me it was just pidgin became not really useful after AIM died
|
||
2021-05-26 19:20:28 rw_grim okay, i'm not going to try to convince you to use it again, but i am interested in what people think will make it better
|
||
2021-05-26 19:20:55 konomi single user interface would be nice it was a bit of a pain in windows
|
||
2021-05-26 19:20:57 simondanerd Does it have matrix support?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:21:06 konomi les functionality in plugins more in the main client
|
||
2021-05-26 19:21:12 rw_grim just in case you all weren't aware, there are a TON of third party protocol plugins out there.. even one for matrix written by new vector employees.. https://pidgin.im/plugins/?publisher=all&query=&type=Protocol
|
||
2021-05-26 19:21:22 rw_grim @kono
|
||
2021-05-26 19:21:25 kusuriya protocol support mostly
|
||
2021-05-26 19:21:32 kusuriya the matrix support need a ton of love
|
||
2021-05-26 19:21:43 rw_grim * Konomi (She/Her): in what regards? network support or just basic features?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:22:03 kusuriya I try it off and on
|
||
2021-05-26 19:22:03 rw_grim it's probably the blockages from the api point of view..
|
||
2021-05-26 19:22:24 kusuriya its more whole classes of things just are not implemented or are not implemented well
|
||
2021-05-26 19:22:35 kusuriya and they are known things if you check out the plugin’s wiki
|
||
2021-05-26 19:23:31 rw_grim things not being implemented at all/well like what? i assume the normal, message editing, message responses, custom emoji, read receipts, delivery receipts, etc?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:23:48 rw_grim unfortunately none of those are every going to end up in pidgin2 because of the api guaranty bloackages
|
||
2021-05-26 19:23:52 kusuriya E2E
|
||
2021-05-26 19:24:05 kusuriya the way images are done wasnt great, cross signing
|
||
2021-05-26 19:24:06 rw_grim gotcha, yeah the e2ee story is pretty bad there too
|
||
2021-05-26 19:24:13 kusuriya device management
|
||
2021-05-26 19:24:23 rw_grim what kind of devices?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:24:29 kusuriya pidgin doesnt register correctly all the time
|
||
2021-05-26 19:24:35 rw_grim like e2ee devices or v&v devices?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:24:47 kusuriya v&v iirc
|
||
2021-05-26 19:25:10 kusuriya which sometimes causes issues with homeservers
|
||
2021-05-26 19:25:34 rw_grim to be clear, when I say v&v i mean voice and video
|
||
2021-05-26 19:25:47 kusuriya ah
|
||
2021-05-26 19:25:53 kusuriya im talking the general client registration
|
||
2021-05-26 19:26:09 kusuriya if you check your device registration it doesnt always show up
|
||
2021-05-26 19:26:10 rw_grim with matrix?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:26:15 kusuriya yep
|
||
2021-05-26 19:26:25 rw_grim ah ok, i haven't spent much time using the matrix plugin honestly
|
||
2021-05-26 19:26:39 kusuriya yeah the matrix plugin is very raw
|
||
2021-05-26 19:26:54 kusuriya if that could be baked out as well as element I could probably overlook most the UX stuff
|
||
2021-05-26 19:28:03 kusuriya better discord support would be nice, and slack, also wouldn’t say no to a weechat relay plugin :D
|
||
2021-05-26 19:28:08 rw_grim gotcha.. i've been considering pulling it in tree, but there's many things to do.. something that's going to annoy a lot of people is we will be moving any non openspec/source protocols out of tree, which means pulling matrix in would help round some of that out
|
||
2021-05-26 19:28:33 kusuriya yeah for sure
|
||
2021-05-26 19:28:37 rw_grim what's a relay plugin? you mean like a bnc?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:04 kusuriya Weechat has a relay protocol that allows you to remotely control it and use it sorta like BNC/ZNC
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:14 rw_grim oh interesting
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:23 kusuriya but its more like you SSHed into the box and attached to your weechat
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:38 kusuriya glowingbear is a great example of what it can be
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:50 konomi the biggest thing that sent me off of pidgin was lack of oemeo encryption it was and still is I believe the only way to have multi client e2ee on xmpp
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:54 paperdigits > In reply to @kusuriya:corrupted.io
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:54 > better discord support would be nice, and slack, also
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:54 > wouldn’t say no to a weechat relay plugin :D
|
||
2021-05-26 19:29:54 There is a new weechat relay in rust
|
||
2021-05-26 19:30:00 konomi otr was all that was available and it was a headache
|
||
2021-05-26 19:30:15 kusuriya mica: yep im keeping eyes on that :D
|
||
2021-05-26 19:30:33 paperdigits Me too
|
||
2021-05-26 19:30:39 rw_grim Konomi (She/Her): yeah otr has always been a bit lacking :-/
|
||
2021-05-26 19:30:51 paperdigits I am in encrypted rooms now so I need e2e support in client
|
||
2021-05-26 19:31:12 kusuriya in reality I know I should shut up and hack and make matrix on pidgin better
|
||
2021-05-26 19:31:19 rw_grim when you say better discord/slack support, what does that entail?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:31:23 kusuriya but Im not sure where to start generally
|
||
2021-05-26 19:31:28 konomi I'm also not sure why aim is still a selectable protocol
|
||
2021-05-26 19:31:31 konomi it's gone
|
||
2021-05-26 19:31:39 rw_grim kusuriya: that'd be awesome, but obviously not everyone has the time nor skills to do these things ;)
|
||
2021-05-26 19:31:47 kusuriya grim: for me mostly just being able to get into text rooms on servers I hang out in
|
||
2021-05-26 19:32:05 rw_grim Konomi (She/Her): there's a 3rd party aim service, but we removed it a few releases ago now.. blame your distro for it still being there
|
||
2021-05-26 19:32:09 kusuriya grim: sadly I do have the skills for it just lack motivation and opprotunity
|
||
2021-05-26 19:32:35 rw_grim kusuriya: so the slack and discord plugins aren't getting you into those channels now?
|
||
2021-05-26 19:32:53 kusuriya I remember something about the discord plugin requireing me to reauth all the time
|
||
2021-05-26 19:32:57 kusuriya and I stopped using it
|
||
2021-05-26 19:33:17 kusuriya the slack one I didnt realize existed
|
||
2021-05-26 19:33:22 rw_grim ah.. i'm on too many discords for it to be useful for me right now
|
||
2021-05-26 19:33:43 kusuriya id probably have the same issue
|
||
2021-05-26 19:33:48 rw_grim slack doesn't support oauth/sso yet.. but if you're on a slack that has sso.. please help me finish getting it working :)
|
||
2021-05-26 19:33:49 kusuriya i have a bunch of servers im part of
|
||
2021-05-26 19:34:07 rw_grim i've considered paying for a few user premium slack to get sso support to get it implemented
|
||
2021-05-26 19:34:08 kusuriya the slack I can use doesnt sadly
|
||
2021-05-26 19:34:23 kusuriya the one I know that has SSO my work is restrictive about clients we can use
|
||
2021-05-26 19:34:47 konomi going to be honest here
|
||
2021-05-26 19:34:55 konomi the bug tracker from waht I remember was very hositle
|
||
2021-05-26 19:34:56 rw_grim well i mean slack is restrictive about the clients that are supposed to be on it too 😂
|
||
2021-05-26 19:35:06 kusuriya fair :D
|
||
2021-05-26 19:35:06 konomi and that sounds like it;s changed which is great
|
||
2021-05-26 19:35:34 kusuriya id honestly go play with it now but I have a few hours before I can use my computer im on my tablet right now
|
||
2021-05-26 19:35:34 rw_grim Konomi (She/Her): the software or the people? if it was the people, I'm sorry for that, but we've changed a lot in the past 10 years.. if it was the software, that's been replaced
|
||
2021-05-26 19:36:01 konomi it's hard to remember but I hate to say it we used pidgin bug tracker as an example of a project nevcer to report bugs for
|
||
2021-05-26 19:36:07 konomi because the experience was that bad
|
||
2021-05-26 19:36:25 kusuriya and TIL xmpp does have E2EE outside of plugins but it requires both servers to have the XEP for it
|
||
2021-05-26 19:36:36 konomi though I'd still like to thank you pidgin was something that helped me and a lot friends keep in touch for a very long time
|
||
2021-05-26 19:36:43 rw_grim Konomi (She/Her): i'd be curious to hear some of those stories if you're up for it. obviously not necessarily in public, but however
|
||
2021-05-26 19:36:54 konomi but it was very much a love hate time for me and friends to interact with the project
|
||
2021-05-26 19:37:01 kusuriya yeah its getting close to revisit time again
|
||
2021-05-26 19:37:02 rw_grim Konomi (She/Her): awesome, glad it was useful for you :)
|
||
2021-05-26 19:37:28 kusuriya because im back at where I was in 1998 when I started using things like pidgin because I had a brazillian chat accounts
|
||
2021-05-26 19:37:39 rw_grim the 2.x.y release a really just "keeping it running" releases... we're getting closer to having pidgin3 may be usable for end users, but it has a long way to go yet
|
||
2021-05-26 19:38:10 rw_grim kusuriya: i have 2 rows of chat app icons on my phone and 5 pinned tabs in my browser + pidgin :-/
|
||
2021-05-26 19:38:23 kusuriya some communities I am part of use IRC, some use Slack, some use discord, some use matrix, some use telegram
|
||
2021-05-26 19:38:57 rw_grim heh yeah... if ONLY the xmpp dream didn't die :(
|
||
2021-05-26 19:39:07 kusuriya yep
|
||
2021-05-26 19:41:41 rw_grim i'm still hopeful xmpp can make a resurgence, but we'll see..
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2021-05-26 19:42:01 kusuriya I think matrix may have ate XMPPs lunch there
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2021-05-26 19:42:15 kusuriya XEPs really were its undoing IMO
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2021-05-26 19:42:25 rw_grim i'm hesitant about matrix.. but we'll see what happens
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2021-05-26 19:43:17 rw_grim good intentions or not, the entirety of the network being in the hands of one non-profit is a bit unnerving for me.
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2021-05-26 19:43:29 kusuriya except it really isnt
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2021-05-26 19:44:20 kusuriya now most people choosing to use new vector’s infra for parts of it does pose some concern
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2021-05-26 19:44:57 kusuriya but you could stand your own up pretty easy and choose to federate with the larger network still
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2021-05-26 19:44:59 rw_grim sure, but even then the main server implementations are also controlled by new vector
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2021-05-26 19:45:43 kusuriya that is all popularity though there are non new vector servers but yeah I see the concern
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2021-05-26 19:46:16 rw_grim yeah, like i said, hesitant... i didn't say i was against it, i just have concerns :)
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2021-05-26 19:46:43 kusuriya but XMPP will probably never see a resurgence unless they find a way to figure out how to manage XEPs in a way that doesnt annoy users
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2021-05-26 19:47:07 rw_grim users shouldn't even see xeps... but i get your point
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2021-05-26 19:47:14 kusuriya the servers make assumptions that everyone has all the same XEPs installed
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2021-05-26 19:47:25 kusuriya which is an instant failure
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2021-05-26 19:47:34 rw_grim there's negotiation for that...
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2021-05-26 19:47:47 kusuriya users should see the XEPs as features on users though
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2021-05-26 19:48:29 kusuriya so if I find you and want to start a video call it tells me I cant because your server doesnt support video calls, or your client doesnt support it
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2021-05-26 19:49:08 kusuriya so then I can check your user and get a list of capabilities sorta like what you can do with bluetooth devices
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2021-05-26 19:49:38 kusuriya I still run an XMPP server though I mean dont get me wrong
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2021-05-26 19:50:00 konomi I don't believe xmpp is coming back, I already don't log into it anymore
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2021-05-26 19:50:21 kusuriya It probably could but I dont count on it
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2021-05-26 19:50:27 konomi matrix came along and expertly stole that userbase
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2021-05-26 19:50:56 konomi the fact that things are extensions that most people would consider vital
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2021-05-26 19:50:59 konomi like you know
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2021-05-26 19:51:02 konomi push notifications
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2021-05-26 19:51:04 konomi encryption
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2021-05-26 19:51:12 konomi made xmpp a literal nightmare
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2021-05-26 19:52:07 kusuriya really IIRC XMPP wasnt really a chat protocol to start with anyway, it was just an event message bus so most those features wouldnt be needed in that context
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2021-05-26 19:52:18 konomi xml also is just trauma for me
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2021-05-26 19:52:21 kusuriya it really was a victim of its own scope creep
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2021-05-26 19:52:32 konomi burn it salt it and bury it in a pit
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2021-05-26 19:53:38 konomi best thing pidgin could get again suggestion, matrix support
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2021-05-26 19:53:45 konomi and not half of it all of it
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2021-05-26 19:54:14 konomi optional extension GRRR xmpp grrr
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2021-05-26 19:55:11 kusuriya if pidgin could give element a run for its money that would probably rekindle it
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2021-05-26 19:55:33 rw_grim rekindle what? pidgin? there's more out there than matrix..
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2021-05-26 19:55:49 konomi the best thing about pidgin was not beingf electron
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2021-05-26 19:55:56 rw_grim anyways, i've got a call, thank you all for you input, but I need to run
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2021-05-26 19:56:00 konomi it was so fast
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2021-05-26 19:56:08 konomi I presume still is
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2021-05-26 19:56:24 rw_grim yep, and we stripped webkit from pidgin3 because just no
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2021-05-26 19:56:50 konomi laters thanks again
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2021-05-26 19:57:19 kusuriya yep thanks for listening to us gripe
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2021-05-27 00:40:19 <-- @salamilid:matrix.org (None) has left #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-05-27 02:43:13 <-- @eelke:sjemm.net (None) has left #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-05-27 10:53:12 <-- @erazemk:matrix.org (None) has left #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-05-27 15:52:44 * druif wonders if just nobody knows that Lubuntu already had Pipewire setup 🤔
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2021-05-27 16:11:13 simondanerd It does?
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2021-05-27 16:11:39 simondanerd That's... Unexpected
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2021-05-27 16:19:42 paperdigits I didnt know that
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2021-05-27 21:01:23 whatitdo Might not be the best place to ask, but it seems like I've seen some negative stuff said about WordPress here, and I'm looking to start my own blog (just for personal use right now) and was wondering what hosting platform would you recommend?
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2021-05-27 21:01:23 I'd prefer not to self host it yet, but may want to in the future so ease of migration might be nice. Also needs to be free. Suggestions? Thanks!
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2021-05-27 21:04:10 paperdigits There is nothing wrong with wordpress itself, and the core install is pretty bullet proof.
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2021-05-27 21:04:34 paperdigits The problem is that there are thousands of crappy plugins that don't get updated and are full of security holes.
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 corrinado > In reply to @whatitdo:matrix.org
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 > Might not be the best place to ask, but it seems like I've
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 > seen some negative stuff said about WordPress here, and
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 > I'm looking to start my own blog (just for personal use
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 > right now) and was wondering what hosting platform would
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 > you recommend?
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 > I'd prefer not to self host it yet, but may want to in the
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 > future so ease of migration might be nice. Also needs to
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 > be free. Suggestions? Thanks!
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2021-05-27 21:18:13 If you want cheap: Bluehost. If you want something where you can ask for help: SiteGround. Or you can host in on any VPS really, but that's more DiY. Tons of places have 1-click installers now that it is so popular.
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2021-05-27 21:19:19 corrinado And mica has a great point. Keep the damned thing updates and the risk is in the plugins. Do your research about what you install. Feel free to ping me if you have any specific questions.
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2021-05-27 21:19:48 corrinado * And mica has a great point. Keep the damned thing updated - the risk is in the plugins. Do your research about what you install. Feel free to ping me if you have any specific questions.
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2021-05-27 21:23:25 whatitdo Thanks both of you
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2021-05-27 21:26:20 whatitdo What's that code for linode for JB? I prefer the self hosted show so I'd rather support that if possible
|
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2021-05-27 21:26:53 whatitdo Nvm it's just linode.com/selfhosted
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2021-05-27 21:30:22 paperdigits You should consider a static site
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2021-05-27 21:32:54 whatitdo * Nvm it's just linode.com/ssh
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2021-05-27 21:33:28 whatitdo Static as in no hyperlinks or buttons? Sorry I've never done web design or anything like that
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2021-05-27 21:37:08 paperdigits A static site, as in just HTML pages, no database
|
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2021-05-27 21:37:20 paperdigits Using something like Hugo or jekyll
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2021-05-27 21:37:47 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com I have xpmo.gitlab.io built with hugo, for example
|
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2021-05-27 21:40:21 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Hugo regenerates the main page (and every page) every time I push.
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2021-05-27 21:44:52 whatitdo > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
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2021-05-27 21:44:52 > A static site, as in just HTML pages, no database
|
||
2021-05-27 21:44:52 Html wouldn't require Java or any of that crap either right? So it'd be similar to Stallman's website? I may eventually want to jazz it up if I wish to try to monetize it (as if someone would care about my ramblings lol)
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2021-05-27 21:46:07 paperdigits You can add JavaScript to do somethngs, and CSS to make it pretty.
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2021-05-27 21:46:21 paperdigits There are a lot of prebuilt themes.
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2021-05-27 21:46:45 whatitdo > In reply to @gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com
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2021-05-27 21:46:45 > I have xpmo.gitlab.io built with hugo, for example
|
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2021-05-27 21:46:45 Awesome, that's exactly what I was looking for. Is this considered a static site?
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2021-05-27 21:47:36 paperdigits Gamma: are you on lineage 18?
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2021-05-27 21:49:02 paperdigits > In reply to @whatitdo:matrix.org
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2021-05-27 21:49:02 > Awesome, that's exactly what I was looking for. Is this
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2021-05-27 21:49:02 > considered a static site?
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2021-05-27 21:49:02 Looks like it.
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2021-05-27 21:49:55 whatitdo So is that self hosted? Or is that some free service?
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2021-05-27 21:58:28 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Gitlab Pages, which is free
|
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2021-05-27 21:58:33 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com * Citizen528: Gitlab Pages, which is free
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||
2021-05-27 21:59:28 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Source: https://gitlab.com/xPMo/xpmo.gitlab.io
|
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2021-05-27 21:59:28 Upstream: https://gitlab.com/pages/hugo
|
||
2021-05-27 21:59:53 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
|
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2021-05-27 21:59:53 > Gamma: are you on lineage 18?
|
||
2021-05-27 21:59:53 Yep, I am now
|
||
2021-05-27 22:00:59 paperdigits > In reply to @gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com
|
||
2021-05-27 22:00:59 > Yep, I am now
|
||
2021-05-27 22:00:59 Are you able to get incoming calls? Are you using Ting?
|
||
2021-05-27 22:01:21 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Yes and yes.
|
||
2021-05-27 22:01:32 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com <IMG_20210527_210103.jpg> [https://matrix.wyattjmiller.com:443/_matrix/media/r0/download/jupiterbroadcasting.com/HewElTqeCaCcPEsBPitVAWPa]
|
||
2021-05-27 22:02:45 paperdigits Hmmm... I wonder what my problem is...
|
||
2021-05-27 22:03:06 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com APNs?
|
||
2021-05-27 22:03:51 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Everything works for me, with one exception: If I leave wifi, data doesn't work until I send a MMS, then it works
|
||
2021-05-27 22:03:58 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com * Everything works for me, with one exception: If I leave wifi, data doesn't work until I send a MMS, then it works fine.
|
||
2021-05-27 22:04:16 paperdigits > In reply to @gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com
|
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2021-05-27 22:04:16 > APNs?
|
||
2021-05-27 22:04:16 I assumed so, but I've tried them and they don't work. I had a custom APN on v17, didn't work on 18
|
||
2021-05-27 22:05:51 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com I have the ones from their guide, although I had to re-enter them after upgrading
|
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2021-05-27 22:06:14 paperdigits X1 or X3?
|
||
2021-05-27 22:06:24 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com X3
|
||
2021-05-27 22:06:50 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com default,admin,fota,mms,supl,hipri,internet,dun
|
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2021-05-27 22:08:00 paperdigits I'll have to give it another go.
|
||
2021-05-27 22:08:15 paperdigits Thanks Gamma
|
||
2021-05-27 22:08:29 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Yeah, I seem to remember it not saving at first, something changed between 17.1 and 18.1
|
||
2021-05-27 22:12:29 whatitdo > In reply to @gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com
|
||
2021-05-27 22:12:29 > Citizen528: Gitlab Pages, which is free
|
||
2021-05-27 22:12:29 What's the catch? Do they serve ads for themselves or sell your data?
|
||
2021-05-27 22:13:53 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com It's not much more than a git repo
|
||
2021-05-27 22:14:22 corrinado The catch?! They want your code to peruse for their own projects. That's the tinfoil hat version.
|
||
2021-05-27 22:14:23 whatitdo What device are you two talking about? If you have a pixel I'd highly recommend calyxos. I'll never go back to lineage. Plus they use matrix instead of reddit for support which is a plus in my book
|
||
2021-05-27 22:14:49 paperdigits Citizen528: one plus 5t
|
||
2021-05-27 22:14:59 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com OP5T here too
|
||
2021-05-27 22:15:19 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com The newest LOS builds actually are based on the Pixel images
|
||
2021-05-27 22:15:25 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com * The newest LOS builds (18.1) actually are based on the Pixel images
|
||
2021-05-27 22:17:50 whatitdo Well if you ever switch to a Xiaomi Mi A2 or a pixel (2 or newer) I'd highly recommend calyx. There's graphene as well but the community (main dev) is toxic as hell. So I opted out. Calyx community is awesome.
|
||
2021-05-27 22:18:54 whatitdo They recently added a built in firewall app so I don't have to root and use afwall+ to block internet from some apps.
|
||
2021-05-27 22:19:26 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com RE: Pages, I imagine the catch is a combination of
|
||
2021-05-27 22:19:26 getting you on their CI/CD platform
|
||
2021-05-27 22:19:26 pipeline minutes (for building the site) are limited (but I never got anywhere close)
|
||
2021-05-27 22:19:26 static sites only
|
||
2021-05-27 22:39:16 --> @gammabot:jupiterbroadcasting.com (None) has been invited to #🗣 JB Chat
|
||
2021-05-27 22:39:46 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com And well, it worked for me. I know how to write a .gitlab-ci.yml now
|
||
2021-05-28 09:16:09 kendall I think I finally got my synapse instance fixed....
|
||
2021-05-28 09:17:01 kendall !giphy out of breath
|
||
2021-05-28 09:17:02 -- Notice(gammabot): No image found
|
||
2021-05-28 09:17:07 neb_giphy <alo7english-out-of-breath-tpr-oydOoy4XPIxo8SFT5K> [https://matrix.wyattjmiller.com:443/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EAAoAfFcenZGkqJuqbAoxkDJ]
|
||
2021-05-28 09:17:47 strit > In reply to @kendall:thewhitmans.cloud
|
||
2021-05-28 09:17:47 > I think I finally got my synapse instance fixed....
|
||
2021-05-28 09:17:47 What was wrong with it?
|
||
2021-05-28 09:20:05 kendall I was delegating the federation traffic over port 443 and it seemed to crash the whole network. I ended up rebooting my router and server and now it seems like it's fixed for now. Couldn't tell you what went wrong. Maybe it just maxed out the bandwidth? No idea.
|
||
2021-05-28 09:32:02 strit I use federation on port 8448, just to have it seperate.
|
||
2021-05-28 10:53:18 kendall > In reply to @strit:matrix.org
|
||
2021-05-28 10:53:18 > I use federation on port 8448, just to have it seperate.
|
||
2021-05-28 10:53:18 I may end up switching to that. I wanted to use 443 because it was one less port to open, but if it causes issues again, I'll move it over.
|
||
2021-05-28 10:54:51 kusuriya its interesting it causes problems though i wonder if it goes AWOL because it gets unexpected data
|
||
2021-05-28 10:55:24 atrili Do you have something else listening on port 443?
|
||
2021-05-28 10:56:28 kendall Maybe. It's only happened once, so I'm waiting for something to go wrong.
|
||
2021-05-28 10:57:21 kendall Atrili I've got some self hosted sites running on my homelab.
|
||
2021-05-28 10:59:03 atrili In general you're only going to be able to use that port for one thing
|
||
2021-05-28 11:00:07 kendall The way I've got it setup is with nginx as a reverse proxy, and all the services are running in docker containers.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:01:25 kendall But just talking through this, I think your right. Nginx and Synapse may be fighting.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:02:26 kendall Meh, I'll just switch it over to 8448, and save another headache.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:03:16 atrili Yea, if nginx is listening on 443, then the other process isn't going to be able to do it. A process is going to bind to the port to own it
|
||
2021-05-28 11:03:42 atrili You can see that by running "netstat -pan | grep :443" at a command line, that will tell you what process has the port
|
||
2021-05-28 11:05:15 kendall This the process I was using from their docs.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:05:15 https://github.com/matrix-org/synapse/blob/master/docs/delegate.md
|
||
2021-05-28 11:11:19 atrili I mean, it's just the way sockets work. Process binds to socket/port and listens on it. If you already had nginx listening on 443, then synapse can't listen on that port too.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:11:41 kendall Then I don't get how it's working.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:11:52 kendall Because federation is working as well as my other sites.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:12:24 kendall Because you're right, when I try to bind to a port that's already being used, docker throws an error.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:12:39 atrili Like I said, run "netstat -pan | grep :443" and see what process has the port
|
||
2021-05-28 11:12:40 omenos Conan Kudo: I was partially wrong last night. macOS (if using APFS [encrypted]) will prompt for a passcode on boot, separate from user login. However, if you turn on FileVault, it'll merge the two together, effectively saying which accounts can unlock the base filesystem.
|
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2021-05-28 11:14:17 kendall Nginx has the port
|
||
2021-05-28 11:15:50 atrili Yea, so inbound traffic would be going to nginx then. Outbound traffic from synapse to other servers is going to use whatever port the remote server listens on
|
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2021-05-28 11:16:46 kendall Ok
|
||
2021-05-28 11:17:15 kendall I switched back to 8448 and no issues so far.
|
||
2021-05-28 11:37:43 kusuriya yeah in general if you use their documentation there are some specific things you have to reverse proxy to the synapse server running on 8443
|
||
2021-05-28 11:38:10 kusuriya its a bit of a lift but once you got it you can have synapse only listen on localhost and nginx do the lifting off the internet
|
||
2021-05-28 11:38:46 kusuriya but if you get the proxy wrong federation faceplants and you may take other nodes out depending on configurations
|
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2021-05-28 13:52:15 whatitdo Are there any RF earbuds you guys would recommend? I'm done with Bluetooth. I can't believe it's been around for 20 ish years and it's still so shitty.
|
||
2021-05-28 13:52:15 But, not sure if RF devices will connect to my pixel 4a.....
|
||
2021-05-28 14:09:08 paperdigits Do they make RF earbuds? I've only ever seen over the ear style headphones in RF
|
||
2021-05-28 14:17:07 whatitdo Found these https://www.newegg.com/audio-technica-ath-ckr7twbk-black/p/0G6-00VK-00033 but it says "bluetooth/RF" so idk
|
||
2021-05-28 14:23:14 whatitdo But yeah I'm struggling to find any
|
||
2021-05-28 14:30:04 paperdigits Bluetooth is technically RF, no?
|
||
2021-05-28 14:31:43 paperdigits 6 hrs playback and 2 hours to charge, I'd pass on those
|
||
2021-05-28 14:47:22 whatitdo Not really. From what I've read anyway.
|
||
2021-05-28 14:53:49 irunbash RF = radio frequency. Both Bluetooth and WiFi are technically a part of it. Most of the time when a peripheral claims to be “RF” without Bluetooth or WiFi they mean some non-standardized protocol.
|
||
2021-05-28 14:54:11 irunbash * RF = radio frequency. Both Bluetooth and WiFi are technically a part of it. However, most of the time when a peripheral claims to be “RF” without Bluetooth or WiFi they mean some non-standardized protocol.
|
||
2021-05-28 15:11:49 squirrellydave > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
|
||
2021-05-28 15:11:49 > Bluetooth is technically RF, no?
|
||
2021-05-28 15:11:49 BT uses RF spectrum, but it's a specific protocol.
|
||
2021-05-28 15:13:04 squirrellydave RF headphones/remotes and similar typically have a paired tx/rx sensors. It can use different spectrum than BT, and the nature of the pairing can make them better, and more able to deal with interference. Can, but doesn't guarantee it.
|
||
2021-05-28 15:13:33 paperdigits It was a rhetorical question... Bluetooth is radio frequencies.
|
||
2021-05-28 15:13:36 paperdigits ;)
|
||
2021-05-28 15:15:04 squirrellydave basically everything is RF though. from AM radio to 5gUW
|
||
2021-05-28 15:18:00 paperdigits But AM radio just makes you stupid, 5G gives you covid.
|
||
2021-05-28 15:18:06 paperdigits So there is a difference!
|
||
2021-05-28 15:18:22 squirrellydave hahaahah. Well played
|
||
2021-05-28 15:19:02 paperdigits That is what the vaccine nano bots told me to say
|
||
2021-05-28 15:19:16 squirrellydave It's easier to just give in
|
||
2021-05-28 15:19:25 squirrellydave Resistance is futile
|
||
2021-05-28 15:20:04 paperdigits I've just been kicked off Twitter for being a true patriot.
|
||
2021-05-28 15:20:41 paperdigits GO FOR THE GRIFT 2024
|
||
2021-05-28 15:25:07 drw mica: You forgot about the fluoride in the water to drug us and keep us docile...
|
||
2021-05-28 15:33:53 paperdigits Dan Williams: I've contacted many many people to have the fluoride changed for meth.
|
||
2021-05-28 15:33:57 paperdigits No takers so far
|
||
2021-05-28 15:34:13 paperdigits Productivity boost ahead!
|
||
2021-05-28 15:34:24 paperdigits Think of the possibilities
|
||
2021-05-28 15:35:01 paperdigits The meth will also take care of you teeth and soon you won't need a dentist.
|
||
2021-05-28 15:35:05 drw I'm game, let's do it!
|
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2021-05-28 15:35:37 drw Who wants to live to 50? Old age is overrated
|
||
2021-05-28 15:36:09 paperdigits The planet will be uninhabitable by then
|
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2021-05-28 15:36:18 paperdigits Might as well have a good time now
|
||
2021-05-28 15:40:42 paperdigits OK I'm going to stop
|
||
2021-05-28 15:53:30 whatitdo The government says it's good for me so it must be true!!
|
||
2021-05-28 16:30:43 paperdigits Have terrorist charges been filed yet for kicking people off Twitter? How's that going?
|
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2021-05-28 16:41:32 whatitdo Ahh that's why I had you blocked. Lol
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2021-05-28 16:42:08 whatitdo ✌️
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2021-05-28 16:51:02 paperdigits I mean... It was you who said all that nonsense.
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2021-05-28 16:51:14 paperdigits I'd hoped you were joking but seems like no
|
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2021-05-28 19:00:27 irunbash Has anyone been experiencing an issue with spaces where the room count on the "Explore Rooms" page is correct but rooms you are not a part of don't show up?
|
||
2021-05-28 20:31:58 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com > In reply to @irunbash:irbash.net
|
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2021-05-28 20:31:58 > Has anyone been experiencing an issue with spaces where
|
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2021-05-28 20:31:58 > the room count on the "Explore Rooms" page is correct but
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2021-05-28 20:31:58 > rooms you are not a part of don't show up?
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||
2021-05-28 20:31:58 Your server needs experimental_features: { spaces_enabled: true } for the Spaces Summary, see 1.34.0 release notes
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2021-05-28 20:33:07 irunbash I have spaces enabled. Rooms are not appearing in the space that should be there.
|
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2021-05-28 20:33:45 irunbash However, they show up in the total count of rooms
|
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2021-05-28 20:34:37 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Do you have it enabled in experimental_features though? Spaces are in stable, but the Summary feature is experimental only
|
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2021-05-28 20:34:54 irunbash I do
|
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2021-05-28 20:34:59 irunbash You can take a look at it: #vkx:irbash.net
|
||
2021-05-28 20:35:00 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Ah
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2021-05-28 20:35:38 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com I imagine I won't be able to see anything (b/c I'll still be asking jupiterbroadcasting.com instead), but I'll check
|
||
2021-05-28 20:35:57 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Yeah, "Your server does not support showing space hierarchies."
|
||
2021-05-28 20:36:58 irunbash No worries, I assume its a bug they will iron out eventually, I just haven’t found any mention of it.
|
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2021-05-29 03:46:42 konomi > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
|
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2021-05-29 03:46:42 > Have terrorist charges been filed yet for kicking people
|
||
2021-05-29 03:46:42 > off Twitter? How's that going?
|
||
2021-05-29 03:46:42 what >.>
|
||
2021-05-29 10:52:56 paperdigits > In reply to @konomi:matrix.org
|
||
2021-05-29 10:52:56 > what >.>
|
||
2021-05-29 10:52:56 That dude thinks kicking conservative US politicians off Twitter is a form of terrorism
|
||
2021-05-29 10:53:20 konomi uh okay...
|
||
2021-05-29 10:55:27 paperdigits Yup
|
||
2021-05-29 10:56:03 konomi avoid mode engaged ;p
|
||
2021-05-29 10:56:27 paperdigits 🤔 freedom to believe what you want... #murica
|
||
2021-05-30 02:09:28 masonb > In reply to @bytebitten:jupiterbroadcasting.com
|
||
2021-05-30 02:09:28 > www.openprinting.org/printers
|
||
2021-05-30 02:09:28 Negative suggestion, do not buy one of these....m2070w. Positive suggestion, I have always had good luck with HP printers (officejet, etc...).
|
||
2021-05-30 03:26:33 bittin-guest https://meet.gnome.org/b/kri-ku1-hqx-bjv GNOME foss-north Online 2021 meetup
|
||
2021-05-30 06:56:14 canoe Eek, there's actually a domain up for this Freenode debacle.. https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
|
||
2021-05-30 07:05:01 mrjpaxton-matrix Wow, that's amazing. Lol.
|
||
2021-05-30 07:05:25 mrjpaxton-matrix Freenode will be dead to me, unfortunately, once Matrix finally bridges Libera Chat with it.
|
||
2021-05-30 07:06:15 canoe I've just dropped my nick there, long time listener to JB, thought I'd jump into Matrix finally!
|
||
2021-05-30 07:07:55 mrjpaxton-matrix I'm using Matrix with the Spaces beta now. I really think it is a very underrated technology.
|
||
2021-05-30 07:09:21 canoe Element's working great on Plasma, nice to see decentralised comms making a return.
|
||
2021-05-30 07:10:34 Follpvosten I also opted into the Spaces beta yesterday; I'm wondering, is there any way to search for spaces?
|
||
2021-05-30 07:21:16 mrjpaxton-matrix I don't know. I'm also trying to explore rooms from spaces, but I can't seem to do that yet. I have to do a convoluted process of adding the room I want to "All Rooms" first, then add it to my private Space. Kinda weird...
|
||
2021-05-30 07:21:31 mrjpaxton-matrix So some things still need ironing out. But that's beta for you.
|
||
2021-05-30 07:28:29 masonb Does anyone know a good guide for setting up a samba shared folder under Fedora 34 (share ~/Public to $USER). This one (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/samba/) is almost working but when I go to open the file it says i don't have the permissions.
|
||
2021-05-30 07:59:24 strit Almost 1000 users in this room. 😉
|
||
2021-05-30 08:00:16 hiro98 Unknown message of type io.element.effects.space_invaders: "{'body': 'amlost :)', 'msgtype': 'io.element.effects.space_invaders'}"
|
||
2021-05-30 08:00:50 hiro98 Unknown message of type io.element.effects.space_invaders: "{'body': 'almost :)', 'msgtype': 'io.element.effects.space_invaders'}"
|
||
2021-05-30 08:05:54 hiro98 > In reply to @canoe:matrix.org
|
||
2021-05-30 08:05:54 > Eek, there's actually a domain up for this Freenode
|
||
2021-05-30 08:05:54 > debacle.. https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
|
||
2021-05-30 08:05:54 powered by DataDog lol
|
||
2021-05-30 08:06:51 canoe Well, that's entirely appropriate in the current context 😂
|
||
2021-05-30 08:07:03 hiro98 😆
|
||
2021-05-30 09:40:28 masonb BTW, if anyone wants to install Dash to Dock on Gnome 40, this is a working temp fix (on mine at least) from a reddit post (https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/nb6ayy/how_can_i_use_dash_to_dock_right_now_on_gnome_40/).
|
||
2021-05-30 09:40:28 sudo dnf install sassc
|
||
2021-05-30 09:40:28 git clone https://github.com/ewlsh/dash-to-dock/
|
||
2021-05-30 09:40:28 cd dash-to-dock
|
||
2021-05-30 09:40:28 git checkout ewlsh/gnome-40
|
||
2021-05-30 09:40:28 make
|
||
2021-05-30 09:40:28 make install
|
||
2021-05-30 09:40:28 logout and log back in.
|
||
2021-05-30 11:27:40 simondanerd Cool. Thanks
|
||
2021-05-30 13:39:32 corrinado > In reply to @masonb:matrix.org
|
||
2021-05-30 13:39:32 > Does anyone know a good guide for setting up a samba
|
||
2021-05-30 13:39:32 > shared folder under Fedora 34 (share ~/Public to $USER).
|
||
2021-05-30 13:39:32 > This one (https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-
|
||
2021-05-30 13:39:32 > docs/samba/) is almost working but when I go to open the
|
||
2021-05-30 13:39:32 > file it says i don't have the permissions.
|
||
2021-05-30 13:39:32 Have you created a samba user with smbpasswd?
|
||
2021-05-30 14:56:33 masonb > In reply to @corrinado:matrix.org
|
||
2021-05-30 14:56:33 > Have you created a samba user with> smbpasswd> ?
|
||
2021-05-30 14:56:33 Yip. Eventually Strom on the Fedora page sorted it out with,
|
||
2021-05-30 14:56:33 sudo semanage fcontext -d -t samba_share_t ~/Public
|
||
2021-05-30 14:56:33 sudo semanage fcontext -a -t samba_share_t "$HOME/Public(/.*)?"
|
||
2021-05-30 14:56:33 sudo restorecon -vFR ~/Public
|
||
2021-05-30 14:56:33 At some point I'll look up the SElinux commends and figure out how the second line changes things (the baby woke up so I copied and pasted) but it worked so that is cool.
|
||
2021-05-30 14:56:33 Thank you though.
|
||
2021-05-30 20:36:52 ⚠️ kendall Bad event received, event type: m.room.message
|
||
2021-06-01 12:19:32 paperdigits For anyone that gave a bit for Robin Mills, long time maintainer of exiv2 who is retiring after the next release of the library, thank you! Here is a note from him: https://hackmd.io/3O0XYA6GQHmI2gAeTLZ-WA?view
|
||
2021-06-01 12:20:29 paperdigits He was gifted euphonium lessons with one of his favorite musicians, two very nice bottles of 18 year old Scotch, and a nice basket that it all came in.
|
||
2021-06-01 12:20:36 paperdigits Thanks!
|
||
2021-06-01 15:02:52 -- Notice(_neb_rssbot_=40noblepayne=3ajupiterbroadcasting.com): LINUX Unplugged: 408: Linux Road Warrior ( https://linuxunplugged.com/408 )
|
||
2021-06-02 09:20:25 omenos So it would appear that shortly after the completion of the Linux Academy transition, A Cloud Guru will be acquired by Pluralsight.
|
||
2021-06-02 09:21:26 omenos https://acloudguru.com/blog/news/pluralsight-to-acquire-a-cloud-guru
|
||
2021-06-02 09:55:24 conan_kudo I wonder how chrislas's ad read will change now 😛
|
||
2021-06-02 09:55:38 conan_kudo But I've got Pluralsight Flow from work, and it's a nice platform
|
||
2021-06-02 09:56:19 &chrislas I wonder that too, however these business deals take months and months to finalize
|
||
2021-06-02 09:57:41 jivanpal chrislas Your Matrix profile pic is fabulous
|
||
2021-06-02 11:26:52 paperdigits You'd think the purchasing company would probably honor existing contracts...
|
||
2021-06-02 11:43:57 omenos I remember when Digital Tutor's got snapped up by Pluralsight. At the time, I really hated the web navigation/discoverability and mobile app of PS compared to DT's setup.
|
||
2021-06-02 12:28:59 omenos This may be my third time sending this, my apologies. Element is freaking out over here:
|
||
2021-06-02 12:28:59 I remember when Digital Tutor's got snapped up by Pluralsight. At the time, I really hated the web navigation/discoverability and mobile app of PS compared to DT's setup.
|
||
2021-06-02 12:39:46 hasmonia Element freaking out ... nah, never 😆
|
||
2021-06-02 12:57:53 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com mroche: Don't worry, Matrix is good about eventual consistency, I've never seen accidental duplicate messages before
|
||
2021-06-02 13:00:21 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com (I'll admit, I was tempted to send my last message multiple times on purpose)
|
||
2021-06-02 13:36:56 paperdigits Ack... Home Assistant isn't adding yaml config for a bunch of new stuff... Changed some core yaml Matt stuff.
|
||
2021-06-02 13:37:09 paperdigits * Ack... Home Assistant isn't adding yaml config for a bunch of new stuff... Changed some core yaml mqtt stuff.
|
||
2021-06-02 13:37:23 paperdigits Mqtt is the reason why my HA never breaks.
|
||
2021-06-02 13:46:08 thelinuxtrucker I really don’t like that most new things are going to UI configurations. If it is configured in yaml it never needs to be reconfigured unless I change something…..makes me feel like the old man yelling at the kids on my lawn
|
||
2021-06-02 13:48:21 jivanpal <tenor_gif8117300538586124877.gif> [https://matrix.wyattjmiller.com:443/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/gSQgwxXIALhWZkgxEHrkGAFw]
|
||
2021-06-02 13:48:26 paperdigits @TheLinuxTrucker: yes
|
||
2021-06-02 13:48:39 jivanpal I have no idea why that is apparently an animated GIF
|
||
2021-06-02 13:49:09 paperdigits So you can hear the yelling
|
||
2021-06-02 13:54:28 d-io > In reply to @gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com
|
||
2021-06-02 13:54:28 > mroche: Don't worry, Matrix is good about eventual
|
||
2021-06-02 13:54:28 > consistency, I've never seen accidental duplicate
|
||
2021-06-02 13:54:28 > messages before
|
||
2021-06-02 13:54:28 I think it's more of a client issue there
|
||
2021-06-02 13:55:02 gamma:jupiterbroadcasting.com Exactly
|
||
2021-06-02 14:07:14 omenos ❄️ D ❄️: I don't know what was happening, but it got into a funny state where it just wouldn't send the message (even killing the flatpak multiple times it would show up on start). So I opted for a copy paste and "delete all" rather than "retry all" and things went through.
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:10 d-io > In reply to @omenos:matrix.org
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:10 > ❄️ D ❄️: I don't know what was happening, but it got into
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:10 > a funny state where it just wouldn't send the message
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:10 > (even killing the flatpak multiple times it would show up
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:10 > on start). So I opted for a copy paste and "delete all"
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:10 > rather than "retry all" and things went through.
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:10 You could also try resetting cache. It's somewhere in settings
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:33 omenos Everything's fine now, I did a reset cache a few days ago
|
||
2021-06-02 14:43:47 d-io I've never had issues with Element on desktop, though. The Android app seemed a bit off at times, but then I switched to Fluffy
|
||
2021-06-02 14:50:46 corrinado > In reply to @d-io:matrix.org
|
||
2021-06-02 14:50:46 > I've never had issues with Element on desktop, though. The
|
||
2021-06-02 14:50:46 > Android app seemed a bit off at times, but then I switched
|
||
2021-06-02 14:50:46 > to Fluffy
|
||
2021-06-02 14:50:46 Same here
|
||
2021-06-02 15:47:13 paperdigits For the android app, just empty the cache every once in a while
|
||
2021-06-02 17:27:12 paperdigits In other Tech news, Trump shut down his blog
|
||
2021-06-02 20:44:56 subpop:matrix.org He *had* a blog?
|
||
2021-06-02 21:43:33 paperdigits Link Dupont: yes.
|
||
2021-06-02 21:43:54 paperdigits so he could say things like "RIGGED!!! #SAD!"
|
||
2021-06-02 21:58:19 subpop:matrix.org Ugh. Well, if he chose to deplatform himself, I'm not going to stop him.
|
||
2021-06-03 00:44:26 masonb You know the shipping the robes internationally problem? I m pretty sure this has been solved already in most countries with services like YouShop in NZ where our Post Office service has an address you can ship to in the US that they will then forward.
|
||
2021-06-03 00:44:26 This would allow the international listeners to buy merch and solve much of the complexity of shipping for JB.
|
||
2021-06-03 00:44:26 https://www.nzpost.co.nz/tools/youshop
|
||
2021-06-03 00:55:13 infoseclibsoc Anyone got any ideas on how to secure access to resources published to the web by restricting access to only those who have an account on the systems in question? I think Self-Hosted podcast or 2.5Admins (can’t recall) looked into this but the suggestions seemed to be some form of pre-auth for web logins - but how do these work with native apps, like JellyFin etc?
|
||
2021-06-03 08:27:34 jivanpal Was discussing this over in #geeklab:linuxdelta.com the other day with AtypicalKernel, came to the conclusion that a VPN is pretty much the only way to do it
|
||
2021-06-03 08:28:01 jivanpal * infoseclibsoc: Was discussing this over in #geeklab:linuxdelta.com the other day with AtypicalKernel,, came to the conclusion that a VPN is pretty much the only way to do it
|
||
2021-06-03 08:29:00 jivanpal * infoseclibsoc:: Was discussing this over in #geeklab:linuxdelta.com the other day with AtypicalKernel, came to the conclusion that a VPN is pretty much the only way to do it
|
||
2021-06-03 08:45:39 infoseclibsoc Ah really? So I have to give WIreGuard access to everyone?
|
||
2021-06-03 08:56:43 jivanpal infoseclibsoc You could use something like SSH tunneling instead to restrict it to certain users on the destination machine
|
||
2021-06-03 09:38:59 skoobasteeve chrislas Listening to the latest Coder, stoked to hear about your visit to Coeur d' Alene (my hometown). Let me know next time you're there if you want some local recs
|
||
2021-06-03 10:00:47 &chrislas > In reply to @skoobasteeve:linuxdelta.com
|
||
2021-06-03 10:00:47 > chrislas Listening to the latest Coder, stoked to hear
|
||
2021-06-03 10:00:47 > about your visit to Coeur d' Alene (my hometown). Let me
|
||
2021-06-03 10:00:47 > know next time you're there if you want some local recs
|
||
2021-06-03 10:00:47 Ok awesome, we will definitely be back!
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 &chrislas > In reply to @masonb:matrix.org
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 > You know the shipping the robes internationally problem? I
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 > m pretty sure this has been solved already in most
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 > countries with services like YouShop in NZ where our Post
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 > Office service has an address you can ship to in the US
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 > that they will then forward. This would allow the
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 > international listeners to buy merch and solve much of the
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 > complexity of shipping for JB.
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 > https://www.nzpost.co.nz/tools/youshop
|
||
2021-06-03 10:01:47 Yeah we have a deal now set up. Which I will definitely use for future orders ✅
|
||
2021-06-03 10:12:57 squirrellydave Have the robes started shopping for the US?
|
||
2021-06-03 13:20:45 masonb In the USA, robes shop for you?
|
||
2021-06-03 13:21:43 squirrellydave haha...whoops
|
||
2021-06-03 13:21:50 squirrellydave * Have the robes started shipping for the US?
|
||
2021-06-03 15:38:05 masonb <Screenshot from 2021-06-03 21-36-18.png> [https://matrix.wyattjmiller.com:443/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/mtDaDqmWgiZVvYJwCRZRSdLK]
|
||
2021-06-03 15:38:10 masonb This is interesting. Its the Fedora 34 release party KDE SIG saying they manage the QT stack for RHEL 8. I thought RHEL 8 didn't do KDE....https://youtu.be/1Eed1m4Lwtc?list=PL0x39xti0_65fpkNt0HW7RtCCGsDtGRIT&t=43
|
||
2021-06-03 16:05:20 paperdigits So I've been trying to deploy pi-hole in a podman container but no traffic ever hits it. I change the DNS on opnsense, but it doesn't seem to do anything.
|
||
2021-06-03 16:29:58 dailyherold Container have host port mapped so it's accessible to things beyond other containers on that host? If needed that is
|
||
2021-06-03 16:34:29 paperdigits The ports seem to be mapped OK. Port 80 works since I can hit the web page
|
||
2021-06-03 16:37:21 dailyherold Don't know how the arch works, but can you go straight from a client to pihole bypassing opensense?
|
||
2021-06-03 16:38:42 atcommander What about port 53 that is default port for DNS requests?
|
||
2021-06-03 16:47:55 paperdigits I've bound 53 & 67. 53 is TCP and UDP
|
||
2021-06-03 16:48:43 paperdigits I tried to set my laptop to hit it, but it didn't.
|
||
2021-06-03 16:49:44 paperdigits I guess I need to start by trying to resolve DNS using dig or something like that, make sure the ports are mapped and are hitting the container, then make sure opnsense is forwarding traffic correctly.
|
||
2021-06-03 18:21:23 &SnarkTest > In reply to @jivanpal:matrix.org
|
||
2021-06-03 18:21:23 > infoseclibsoc: Was discussing this over in
|
||
2021-06-03 18:21:23 > #geeklab:linuxdelta.com the other day with AtypicalKernel,
|
||
2021-06-03 18:21:23 > came to the conclusion that a VPN is pretty much the only
|
||
2021-06-03 18:21:23 > way to do it
|
||
2021-06-03 18:21:23 there are several ways with web browser access, only a couple if you want to use native app access, and it was using a nginx reverse proxy with web auth on 2.5 admins
|
||
2021-06-03 18:22:43 &SnarkTest a vpn is the recommended way to enable native apps, but there are other ways that typically involve some kind of system wide proxy
|
||
2021-06-03 18:22:56 &SnarkTest or system wide network config
|
||
2021-06-03 19:03:42 jasonish Anyone know of a program that is written in C/C++/Rust/Go whatever (compiled, not Python, etc) that can be scripted or load plugins written in JS?
|
||
2021-06-03 20:18:18 nst8021 mica: i found that sometime it doesnt start the FTL and outputs errors into the log when run in podman
|
||
2021-06-03 20:23:30 paperdigits nst8021: thanks
|
||
2021-06-03 20:25:46 nst8021 are you running rootless or root container?
|
||
2021-06-03 20:37:19 paperdigits Root container nst8021
|
||
2021-06-03 21:26:38 subpop:matrix.org > In reply to @jasonish:matrix.org
|
||
2021-06-03 21:26:38 > Anyone know of a program that is written in C/C++/Rust/Go
|
||
2021-06-03 21:26:38 > whatever (compiled, not Python, etc) that can be scripted
|
||
2021-06-03 21:26:38 > or load plugins written in JS?
|
||
2021-06-03 21:26:38 Uh, polkit kinda does that. It links in mozembed and runs JavaScript snippets as part of its authorization flow. The polkit daemon is written in C, and the JavaScript snippets are just JavaScript, but within a defined function definition (see /etc/polkit-1/rules.d and https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/latest/polkit.8.html#polkit-rules).
|
||
2021-06-03 21:29:28 subpop:matrix.org There's also GIMP, which allows scripting it through its weird script-fu interface. I think you can write script-fu in Perl and Python?
|
||
2021-06-03 21:32:03 nst8021 @mica when you setup your laptop did you restart the interface after setting dns name servers
|
||
2021-06-03 21:49:52 paperdigits nst8021: no. Maybe that's the problem
|
||
2021-06-03 21:50:10 paperdigits Script-fu in gimp is scheme I think
|
||
2021-06-03 21:50:22 paperdigits There are also python bindings
|
||
2021-06-03 22:42:05 nst8021 cool i got mine working
|
||
2021-06-04 10:21:34 masonb If anyone ever needs to throw up a quick site then publii is quite a cool static site generator I had never heard of but have just spend a couple of hours playing with.
|
||
2021-06-04 11:27:58 paperdigits masonbee: what's cool about it?
|
||
2021-06-04 12:36:37 masonb > In reply to @paperdigits:matrix.org
|
||
2021-06-04 12:36:37 > masonbee: what's cool about it?
|
||
2021-06-04 12:36:37 Didn't crash even when I imported a seven hundred post wordpress site and the output wasn't too bad. Threw the occasional javascript error but that didn't seem to effect its working. Has a flatpak, rpm and debs and an appimage as well I think. Pretty much zero learning curve. Open source, a wysiwyg editor, a markdown editor and a block editor depending on your preference.
|
||
2021-06-04 12:36:37 Uploads the site to your server afterwards. Git integration for github and gitlab but I haven't checked that out because I use gitea.
|
||
2021-06-04 12:36:37 Backups, custom css and html. Generates thunbnails for responsive pictures.
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2021-06-04 12:36:37 On the downside there aren't many themes and it can import tags or categories from wordpress. In my case I chose tags and they aren't attached to the posts now so I have to retag everythign should I so choose.
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2021-06-04 12:44:46 paperdigits masonbee: ah a GUI for static sites. That's cool
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2021-06-04 12:44:55 paperdigits We use Hugo for everything.
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2021-06-04 13:30:39 masonb mica: I was looking at installing hugo last night when I ran into publii. :) Last month it was Bootstrap studio, etc...What is the equivalent of distro hopping with software?
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2021-06-04 13:31:42 paperdigits Madness.
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2021-06-04 13:31:58 paperdigits Find a tool that meets your needs and go with it.
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2021-06-04 13:32:05 paperdigits There are a billion alternatives
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2021-06-04 13:32:16 paperdigits And they all do roughly the same thing
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2021-06-04 13:36:18 thornbill I like 11ty for a static site generator but I’m a masochist who enjoys JavaScript 🙃
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2021-06-04 13:38:53 paperdigits We landed on Hugo because it's a binary
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2021-06-04 13:39:43 paperdigits We had other stuff in things like pelican, but since its just a website, the custom plugins went stale and who wants to do a lot maintenance on a static site??
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2021-06-04 13:40:02 paperdigits Hugo means getting the binary and running it. That's all.
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2021-06-04 13:40:23 paperdigits No language maintenance and the templating doesn't change that often.
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2021-06-04 13:41:42 paperdigits One site is using metalsmith, with is JS/node, I hate that site.
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2021-06-04 13:41:50 paperdigits Can't even build it anymore
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2021-06-04 13:49:25 --> @jivan:opaline.uk (None) has been invited to #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-06-04 19:41:46 <-- @ymsa1104:matrix.org (None) has left #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-06-05 21:45:21 <-- @..giftson:matrix.org (None) has left #🗣 JB Chat
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2021-06-06 12:44:34 paperdigits https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/jun/01/amazon-us-customers-given-one-week-to-opt-out-of-mass-wireless-sharing
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2021-06-06 12:44:56 paperdigits Just a few days to opt out of Amazon's weird mesh network thing.
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