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2021-05-12 22:21:13	--	Topic for #raspberrypi is "Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. | Very old Logs: http://srv.datagutt1.com | Note: Family Friendly chat please. Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz"
2021-05-12 22:21:13	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
2021-05-12 22:21:13	--	Channel #raspberrypi: 642 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 641 normals)
2021-05-12 22:21:29	--	Channel created on Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:04:23
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2021-05-12 23:06:32	jpmh_	craigevil: I do not use raspi-config - why not just use the OS: apt upgrade
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2021-05-12 23:06:51	jpmh_	it will install the most recent stable kernel and other software
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2021-05-13 01:46:20	Deano59	had to order a new fanshim from amazon, my old is making so much noise. :/
2021-05-13 01:46:38	Deano59	whilst I was there, ordered a usb3tosata too.
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2021-05-13 03:18:00	jpe___	When putting the SDcard into my linux machine, I get "error -110 while initialising SD card"
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2021-05-13 03:53:03	mlelstv	110 is ETIMEDOUT
2021-05-13 03:53:27	mlelstv	that's what happens when you don't get a response from the card.
2021-05-13 03:55:19	jpe___	hmm ok... my plan now is to try to get the pi to boot from USB SSD
2021-05-13 03:55:28	jpe___	because i dont feel like buying another SD card
2021-05-13 04:02:25	mlelstv	there can be other reasons. I'd at least try it in a USB card reader before throwing it away.
2021-05-13 04:02:49	mlelstv	boot from USB is trivial for rpi4
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2021-05-13 04:23:52	jpe___	hmm for USB boot, how is the boot partition determined? Does it just take partition 0? Or uses the boot flag?
2021-05-13 04:25:26	mlelstv	just like for SD card, the first FAT partition is used.
2021-05-13 04:25:41	mlelstv	you can also use GPT instead of MBR
2021-05-13 04:26:22	jpe___	the thing is, i already have a lot of data on the SSD, so i'd like to shrink the partition and place the RPI boot and rootfs partitions at the end.
2021-05-13 04:27:07	jpe___	so i guess as long as there is only one FAT partition, it should work?
2021-05-13 04:27:09	mlelstv	the position on disk isn't relevant. The place in the partition table is.
2021-05-13 04:27:19	mlelstv	yes, it should
2021-05-13 04:34:21	jpe___	ah and accessing the old SD card via a USB adaptor also seems to work, so at least i wont have to reinstall everything
2021-05-13 04:34:28	jpe___	so thanks for that
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2021-05-13 05:33:19	Deano59	nicoco: fix your connection, bruh.
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2021-05-13 05:36:24	Maik	morning
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2021-05-13 05:54:45	nicoco	Deano59: I am on mobile... disable user join/leaves display bruh 😉
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2021-05-13 05:58:24	Maik	nicoco: just ignore him, he doesn't know better
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2021-05-13 05:58:36	Armand	nicoco: Well, it's not really your concern, ehh.. :)
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2021-05-13 06:00:09	Deano59	nicoco: would be better if you fixed your connection. :)
2021-05-13 06:00:18	Armand	No.
2021-05-13 06:00:37	Maik	nicoco: he loves to troll around, get's annoyed when someone says g'day in a support channel but seems to do the same himself.  And when it comes to it he crawls into a victim role which is typical for Deano
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2021-05-13 06:01:11	Armand	Yeah, standard harassment.
2021-05-13 06:01:17	Maik	as always
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2021-05-13 06:01:45	Armand	I'm sure he will complain to Ops at some point, in spite of creating a problem where none existed.
2021-05-13 06:01:50	Maik	he was trolling me yesterday elsewhere but not of the ops or freenode staff seems to take care of him
2021-05-13 06:02:01	Maik	not/none
2021-05-13 06:02:03	Armand	Oh, I know.
2021-05-13 06:02:13	Armand	The staff already know about him.
2021-05-13 06:02:52	Armand	nicoco: I have the same issue when I'm at work.. because the wifi APs are janky as hell.
2021-05-13 06:02:55	Armand	So damned annoying.
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2021-05-13 06:03:51	Maik	Deano is an will stay a anoying troll. He broke rules and the CoC often enough in ubuntu channels which should have led to a ban after all these months but still nothings done about it and the ops tap on my fingers instead.
2021-05-13 06:04:45	Maik	Deano should get a life, i'm sure he doesn't go out much, doesn't work and is a bored soul who loves to annoy others every day.
2021-05-13 06:05:13	Maik	he says he's 31 but behaves like a 14 year old kid
2021-05-13 06:05:30	Deano59	"boot from USB is trivial for rpi4" booting from USB on an RPI4 is very easy if you've got the correct firmware, mlelstv.
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2021-05-13 06:39:28	jpe___	hmm, i'm not seeing the device come up. I have basically this on the SSD: { ext4 data | fat boot | ext4 rpi root }. I modified the cmdline.txt to use the correct PARTUUID for root, and modified the fstab, to ensure boot and root are set correctly. I also did run rpi-update before on a different install of raspbian
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2021-05-13 06:44:27	jpe___	also i ran rpi-eeprom-update
2021-05-13 06:44:40	jpe___	but it didnt seem to do anything. Guess it thought it was already updated
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2021-05-13 06:48:40	ShorTie	it tells ya
2021-05-13 06:48:59	ShorTie	think you add a 'a' to do it
2021-05-13 06:49:12	ShorTie	rpi-eeprom-update a
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2021-05-13 07:00:29	wonderer	anyone know of a equivalent to this part?
2021-05-13 07:00:30	wonderer	https://www.amazon.co.uk/Broadcom-WiFi-Adapter-Port-Raspberry/dp/B00NMJ3XUA
2021-05-13 07:00:38	wonderer	for some reason its been discontinued
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2021-05-13 07:09:36	mlelstv	seems to be the only one of that type
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2021-05-13 07:12:15	jpe___	yeah it says its already up to date
2021-05-13 07:12:33	jpe___	no not sure why it doesnt boot from USB
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2021-05-13 07:16:55	jpe___	ahh seems like it wants the FAT partition as partition 0
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2021-05-13 07:35:33	Deano59	jpe___: as long as your firmware is up-to-date, you do NOT need to edit fstab or cmdline.txt - just flash and boot.
2021-05-13 07:36:59	jpe___	if i flashed the SD card directly to the SSD then i guess the PARTUUIDs would already be correct, but i just flashed the inidivdual partitions
2021-05-13 07:37:36	jpe___	i have it booting now but it seems that my old SD card is completely dead, so i have to reinstall/reconfigure everything i had on there before
2021-05-13 07:37:38	Deano59	flash to an ssd and boot. not sure what your problem is.
2021-05-13 07:39:01	Deano59	jpe___: that's *why* you should backup.
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2021-05-13 07:43:09	Maik	jpe___: don't pay too much attention to him, he asks obvious questions himself more than enough when he already knows the answers to and some wonder if he even knows what he's talking about...
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2021-05-13 08:32:36	Snuupy	alright the packages on debian10 are too old for me and I really don't feel like compiling all my packages manually
2021-05-13 08:32:42	Snuupy	going to switch to ubuntu 21.04 I guess
2021-05-13 08:32:55	Snuupy	it says in the forums sid/testing isn't supported/features aren't tested if things go wrong
2021-05-13 08:35:59	Maik	Snuupy: go Manjaro instead if you want the latest and greates
2021-05-13 08:36:18	Snuupy	I just need packages to be up to date, I don't want things to break all the time either
2021-05-13 08:36:35	Snuupy	I should try manjaro at some point though
2021-05-13 08:36:38	Snuupy	maybe not for my NAS lmao
2021-05-13 08:36:53	Maik	Manjaro is a stable rolling release.... not much breakage going on
2021-05-13 08:37:02	Snuupy	ah
2021-05-13 08:37:17	Snuupy	just wanted podman 3.1
2021-05-13 08:37:53	Maik	why... new features?
2021-05-13 08:38:10	Snuupy	because ceph pacific only supports podman 3.0+ and 3.1 has a bunch of bug fixes likely
2021-05-13 08:38:49	Snuupy	been there done that for compiling packages a bunch and waiting 30 minutes
2021-05-13 08:38:59	Snuupy	would rather just be on a distro with newer packages
2021-05-13 08:39:14	ShorTie	Debian is more into stable then the latest and greatest
2021-05-13 08:39:27	Snuupy	yeah I'm not too much of a linux guy, learning that now
2021-05-13 08:39:36	Snuupy	at first I was like, stable sounds great, what could possibly go wrong?
2021-05-13 08:39:55	Snuupy	oh I can't get the newest version of whatever even though that's what I need, guess I have to switch to testing or compile it myself
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2021-05-13 08:53:14	Deano59	jpe___: ?
2021-05-13 08:53:29	Deano59	ignored me? I was trying to help ._.
2021-05-13 08:55:17	Deano59	Snuupy: have a look into c0rnelius's builder, it builds the latest kernel for 20.04 AND 21.04 - it's so good.
2021-05-13 08:56:04	Snuupy	do you have a link?
2021-05-13 08:56:11	Snuupy	ddg isn't turning up anything useful
2021-05-13 08:56:11	Deano59	sec
2021-05-13 08:56:14	Snuupy	thanks
2021-05-13 08:56:53	Deano59	https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder - you can build Debian buster, bullseye etc and Devuan/Ubuntu.
2021-05-13 08:56:54	 *	ShorTie wonders, and what does that have to do with latest packages
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2021-05-13 08:57:39	Snuupy	kernels are the drivers for the specific hardware right
2021-05-13 08:58:16	Deano59	it includes everything you need, like eeprom updates etc.
2021-05-13 08:59:45	Deano59	you're right. once you git-cloned it, you can check the which kernels are the latest.
2021-05-13 09:00:15	Deano59	and build it, but can take a while compiling the kernel on an rpi4. ;P
2021-05-13 09:00:43	ShorTie	not likely to give up a newer podman like he wants
2021-05-13 09:00:49	Deano59	Linux PiDesktop 5.10.35-v8 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue May 11 07:40:51 EDT 2021 aarch64 aarch64 aarch64 GNU/Linux and VERSION="20.04.2 LTS (Focal Fossa)"
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2021-05-13 09:03:31	Snuupy	could be useful if ubuntu hasn't updated their rpi kernel
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2021-05-13 11:44:56	markand	is there something to set so that raspberry force 1920x1080 for every output?
2021-05-13 11:45:54	markand	I have hdmi_group=2 hdmi_mode=82 hdmi_enable_64kp60=0 in config.txt
2021-05-13 11:46:21	markand	the tty starts in 1920x1080 but X org still opens in 4k by default (same for retroarch and kodi)
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2021-05-13 12:16:15	markand	I don't understand why mpv/retroarch do run fine on X.Org on my Pi 4 but are slow as hell directly through the framebuffer
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2021-05-13 12:29:13	jpmh_	I have been a Pi user since the start - but have not untill now used the desktop - what is the correct way to cause automatic start of settings that I want, such as the screen saver and xset commands?
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2021-05-13 13:46:19	Deano59	ops, can we remove nicoco ?
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2021-05-13 13:47:58	nicoco	😘
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2021-05-13 14:09:47	Deano59	kline: offender is nicoco, he knows he's doing it too. I'll screenshot.
2021-05-13 14:10:18	Deano59	https://i.postimg.cc/KY8BmwrD/Screenshot-from-2021-05-13-19-09-56.png
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2021-05-13 14:10:45	kline	hi niko
2021-05-13 14:11:06	niko	you HERE
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2021-05-13 14:11:25	Deano59	kline: been going on all day. asked him to fix his connection, was told he's using his mobile.
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2021-05-13 14:11:38	niko	how peculiar, kline
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2021-05-13 14:12:52	Deano59	let me quote what he said "<nicoco> Deano59: I am on mobile... disable user join/leaves display bruh 😉"
2021-05-13 14:13:19	Deano59	that was at 10:54am.
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2021-05-13 14:43:32	wyre	hi waveform, have you had a while to take a look at that? 😀
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2021-05-13 14:43:47	Maik	it's better they ban you with your harassments and trolling behaviour Deano
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2021-05-13 15:04:17	ramkamZ	oy
2021-05-13 15:04:55	ramkamZ	i'm stuggling with picamera's motion vector data (that: https://picamera.readthedocs.io/en/release-1.13/recipes2.html#recording-motion-vector-data)
2021-05-13 15:05:16	Tenkawa	Maik: what happened?
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2021-05-13 15:05:42	ramkamZ	done a little script that records video, and in parallel processes the motion vector data
2021-05-13 15:06:23	Maik	Tenkawa: never mind, i won't continue with it here :)
2021-05-13 15:06:36	ramkamZ	i'm trying to review that motion data vs images, by graphing sort of a kpi of "motion level", on each frame
2021-05-13 15:06:44	Tenkawa	Maik: ok.. understandable
2021-05-13 15:07:21	ramkamZ	and there's an offset in time between the frame and the motion vector data, i wonder if i screwed up, or if the motion vector data is by design offset from the frames being recorded
2021-05-13 15:08:16	Tenkawa	ramkamZ: heheh way over my head in that level of graphics/data processing
2021-05-13 15:08:45	ramkamZ	yeah, seems to be way over my head too
2021-05-13 15:08:48	Tenkawa	graphics/video is one of my weakest of all areas
2021-05-13 15:10:08	ramkamZ	well, if i got it right, the motion vector data is sort of a "thing" the encoder calculates in the gpu to decide when to write a I or B frame in the h264 file
2021-05-13 15:11:12	ramkamZ	for one, i wonder how the "thing" is calculated, and for two, if i can use that metric for detection, or if it will always be offset because it was never meant for detection, but meant for compression
2021-05-13 15:12:12	Tenkawa	if clever was here I bet he'd know heheh
2021-05-13 15:12:22	ramkamZ	^^
2021-05-13 15:12:50	ramkamZ	clever is clever not to be here, because in the old days he probably would have said rtfm
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2021-05-13 15:14:19	Tenkawa	haahaa
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2021-05-13 15:45:25	ramkamZ	hum
2021-05-13 15:45:55	ramkamZ	is there a trick to convert from h264 file format to mp4, using ffmpeg, without loosing or adding frames?
2021-05-13 15:46:16	Deano59	Tenkawa: what changes are in raspberrypi-linux-image_5.10.36-v8-1~rpi4_arm64 ?
2021-05-13 15:46:26	ramkamZ	like, each frame of the h264, whatever its type (I, B, etc) is counted as one frame in mp4
2021-05-13 15:46:50	ramkamZ	yeah i know i have a poor understanding of ffmpeg innner working.
2021-05-13 15:47:15	Tenkawa	Deano59: between official and foundation?
2021-05-13 15:47:44	Tenkawa	or just the one in the builder image?
2021-05-13 15:47:46	Deano59	yeah, what changes?
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2021-05-13 15:48:57	Tenkawa	I would have to build a diff to tell you…
2021-05-13 15:49:22	Deano59	oh, no worries then. :)
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2021-05-13 15:49:28	Tenkawa	none of my linux boxes are up right now
2021-05-13 15:49:33	Deano59	I'm just compiling 5.11
2021-05-13 15:49:36	Deano59	taking forever
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2021-05-13 15:50:04	Deano59	at this part:   CC [M]  drivers/net/wireless/broadcom/b43/tables.o
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2021-05-13 15:50:09	Tenkawa	(just turned on power yesterday after major electrical rebuild)
2021-05-13 15:50:43	Tenkawa	is top taking up a lot of cpu or next to none?
2021-05-13 15:50:56	Tenkawa	(showing)
2021-05-13 15:51:28	Deano59	idk, can't check. sec let me ssh in.
2021-05-13 15:52:09	Deano59	Tenkawa: haha, 100% cpu usage on all 4 cores.
2021-05-13 15:52:27	Tenkawa	interesting
2021-05-13 15:52:46	Deano59	I'm clocked at 2ghz too.
2021-05-13 15:53:07	Tenkawa	yeah that could either  be spinning or the io could be stuck
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2021-05-13 15:54:52	Maik	Tenkawa: what are you actually running on your Pi's, RPI OS?
2021-05-13 15:55:21	Tenkawa	Maik: custom built debian 64 bit
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2021-05-13 15:55:31	Maik	cool
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2021-05-13 15:56:15	Tenkawa	I adjust almost everything
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2021-05-13 15:56:46	Tenkawa	latest thing we are working on is the cacule freebsd scheduler
2021-05-13 15:56:47	Tenkawa	hehehe
2021-05-13 15:58:03	Tenkawa	have it in our setup… haven't had a chance to test it yet though because of my power issue at my house
2021-05-13 15:58:09	Maik	i got Ubuntu 21.04 on one of my Pi's, upgraded today from 20.10. But i was thinking about trying RPI OS 64bit again since i have a spare SSD
2021-05-13 16:00:13	Tenkawa	native debian is so much cleaner imo
2021-05-13 16:00:39	Tenkawa	(we use a very optimized builder though)
2021-05-13 16:00:54	Tenkawa	its c0rnelius builder
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2021-05-13 16:06:20	az-bstar	hi i bought a raspberry pi 4 and i got these little thermal pads in the package, due ot neuro issues, i am unable to put them on.  is thermal paste an acceptable replacmeent? or is there a place to buy ones that are easier to apply?  it came with a sheet of 4 3m in one row and i was unable to get even one applied successfully
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2021-05-13 16:09:30	Tenkawa	do you have a local computer store nearby (microcenter type)?
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2021-05-13 16:11:17	Deano59	what changes have you made to debian, Tenkawa ?
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2021-05-13 16:13:57	Tenkawa	Deano59: kernel, networking, disk handlers, a long time ago modem drivers but not really useful now
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2021-05-13 16:14:31	Deano59	Tenkawa: do you share them anywhere?
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2021-05-13 16:15:29	Tenkawa	I did way back when I did them yes… anything I do now would be in the builder project… I'm just a tester/debugger and fix errors now
2021-05-13 16:15:50	Tenkawa	my making new stuff was 20 years ago
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2021-05-13 16:16:10	Deano59	so you just use the builder now (c0rn's builder)?
2021-05-13 16:16:30	Tenkawa	use and fix things on it
2021-05-13 16:16:38	Deano59	nice :D
2021-05-13 16:17:21	Tenkawa	not much to fix but occasionally I find a way to make it faster
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2021-05-13 16:17:45	Deano59	any tweaks you think I could do, to help performance?
2021-05-13 16:18:34	Tenkawa	you are doing the sd poll once right?
2021-05-13 16:18:52	Deano59	yeah
2021-05-13 16:18:56	Tenkawa	you use usb I think dont you?
2021-05-13 16:19:02	Deano59	yep
2021-05-13 16:19:05	Tenkawa	ok.. that helps a lot
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2021-05-13 16:19:42	Tenkawa	make sure you test vfs cache pressure a bit
2021-05-13 16:19:50	Deano59	how? :D
2021-05-13 16:20:17	Tenkawa	do a sysctl -a | grep pressure
2021-05-13 16:20:33	Tenkawa	get the rating… run your machine for about 15 minutes
2021-05-13 16:20:40	Deano59	vm.vfs_cache_pressure = 100
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2021-05-13 16:20:56	Tenkawa	and adjust it up by about 50 and test again and then down by 59
2021-05-13 16:20:58	Tenkawa	er 50
2021-05-13 16:21:03	Tenkawa	yeah
2021-05-13 16:21:09	Tenkawa	see how it feels
2021-05-13 16:21:12	Deano59	how do I change it? and what does it do?
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2021-05-13 16:23:03	Tenkawa	you just put the number that works out best in /etc/sysctl.conf and sudo sysctl -p
2021-05-13 16:23:05	Tenkawa	Reducing vfs pressure reduces amount of caching that is reclaimed when more memory is used that is it reclaims the memory used for cache for whatever application you are using.
2021-05-13 16:23:05	Tenkawa	If you increase swappiness, less ram and more swap storage will be used. it is recommended to use less swappiness for HDDs since they significantly slow down the system when used as swap.
2021-05-13 16:23:41	Deano59	what number do you have set?
2021-05-13 16:23:52	Tenkawa	you can reduce swappiness using vm.swappiness
2021-05-13 16:24:08	Tenkawa	I use vm.swappiness = 1
2021-05-13 16:24:15	Tenkawa	(never use 0)
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2021-05-13 16:24:46	Tenkawa	since you use gui though you need to tune on the fly
2021-05-13 16:24:56	Tenkawa	I dont use gui's
2021-05-13 16:25:02	Deano59	shall try. what about vfs though, what number do you have yours at?
2021-05-13 16:25:14	Tenkawa	so I'm not looking to balance user interaction
2021-05-13 16:25:30	Tenkawa	I would have to boot up to tell ypu
2021-05-13 16:25:49	Tenkawa	(I'm experimenting with several right  now)
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2021-05-13 16:26:07	Deano59	vm.swapiness goes into /etc/sysctl?
2021-05-13 16:26:24	Deano59	and what command is for the vfs?
2021-05-13 16:26:26	Deano59	sorry!
2021-05-13 16:26:48	Deano59	I don't have anything set in /etc/sysctl, only net forward. :D
2021-05-13 16:27:42	Tenkawa	sysctl.conf
2021-05-13 16:27:55	Deano59	yeah
2021-05-13 16:27:59	Tenkawa	yeah it won't be there by default
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2021-05-13 16:28:25	Deano59	what's the change command for vfs?
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2021-05-13 16:28:34	Deano59	5.11 is nearly built!
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2021-05-13 16:29:58	Deano59	I'll google. :)
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2021-05-13 16:31:30	Deano59	vm.vfs_cache_pressure=50 :)
2021-05-13 16:32:22	Deano59	bbl, gonna install this. :)
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2021-05-13 17:06:07	ToHellWithGA	https://github.com/librerpi/rpi-tools/blob/master/keyboard-proxy/main.c this is a hoot
2021-05-13 17:08:36	clever	ToHellWithGA: yep!
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2021-05-13 17:38:48	Deano59	thanks Tenkawa !!!!
2021-05-13 17:39:14	Tenkawa	np.. seeing any difference>
2021-05-13 17:39:16	Tenkawa	er ?
2021-05-13 17:39:26	Deano59	yeah, much better.
2021-05-13 17:39:30	Tenkawa	cool
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2021-05-13 17:40:21	Tenkawa	yeah theres a lot of tweaks here and there I do for servers… I use to know a lot more for desktops years ago
2021-05-13 17:40:53	Tenkawa	I spent my entire career in server land so thats really where I focused
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2021-05-13 18:02:30	ToHellWithGA	clever: is that your tool?
2021-05-13 18:02:37	ToHellWithGA	iirc the author is clevercc
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2021-05-13 18:11:03	clever	ToHellWithGA: yep, i'm the author
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2021-05-13 18:21:35	ToHellWithGA	can i build this on any old debian computer with a build toolchain?
2021-05-13 18:22:01	ToHellWithGA	i have such an old computer with build-essential and a SD card hole
2021-05-13 18:24:38	clever	ToHellWithGA: my CI system has pre-built versions
2021-05-13 18:24:53	 *	clever finds link
2021-05-13 18:26:54	clever	ToHellWithGA: https://hydra.angeldsis.com/build/105678 click on root.zip, unpack to a freshly formated fat32 SD card, and pop into a pi400
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2021-05-13 18:39:07	ToHellWithGA	thx man
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2021-05-13 18:44:07	ToHellWithGA	you just saved me from lugging ol' mechy home from work on bike to work day before work from home day
2021-05-13 18:44:21	ToHellWithGA	fewer pounds lugged and calories burned
2021-05-13 18:44:25	ToHellWithGA	<3
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2021-05-13 19:14:38	Habbie	what's a good 64 bit desktop OS to run on pi4 now?
2021-05-13 19:17:14	Chunkyz	Habbie: ubuntu, or rpi's arm64.
2021-05-13 19:17:49	Habbie	still not listed on https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/operating-systems/ i see
2021-05-13 19:18:44	Chunkyz	https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspios_lite_arm64/images/
2021-05-13 19:18:48	Habbie	https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspios_arm64/images/
2021-05-13 19:18:51	Habbie	haha
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2021-05-13 19:19:05	Habbie	i think i want non-lite for desktop?
2021-05-13 19:19:13	Chunkyz	yep
2021-05-13 19:19:32	Habbie	last image from a month ago
2021-05-13 19:19:34	Habbie	decent
2021-05-13 19:19:39	Habbie	will give that a try soon, thanks :)
2021-05-13 19:20:08	Chunkyz	it's a lot different to their armhf release. it's quicker!
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2021-05-13 19:20:41	Habbie	nice
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2021-05-13 19:34:00	clever	ToHellWithGA: i was going for a walk for excersise today, and went a bit far, didnt make it home until 3h later, lol
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2021-05-15 11:03:48	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
2021-05-15 11:03:48	--	Channel #raspberrypi: 664 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 663 normals)
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2021-05-15 14:17:39	ty3r0x	Hello, how can I ssh into a raspberry pi zero w without an hdmi cable?
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2021-05-15 14:18:29	HerculeP	put an empty file named ssh into /boot
2021-05-15 14:18:30	clever	ty3r0x: create a file called ssh on the fat32 partition
2021-05-15 14:18:48	HerculeP	1st partition
2021-05-15 14:18:57	ty3r0x	Yes I did a touch command on the boot partition
2021-05-15 14:19:56	ty3r0x	I did that but my laptop doesn't detect host raspberry.local
2021-05-15 14:20:10	HerculeP	and?
2021-05-15 14:20:14	clever	how are you getting network access to it?
2021-05-15 14:20:31	ty3r0x	I connected my pi via usb
2021-05-15 14:20:38	HerculeP	oh
2021-05-15 14:20:58	clever	did you enable the usb ethernet gadget, and all the ip/dhcp stuff?
2021-05-15 14:21:08	 *	HerculeP always uses a rouuter
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2021-05-15 14:22:08	ty3r0x	I did modules-load=dwc2,g_ether
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2021-05-15 14:22:29	clever	does it show up as a usb device?
2021-05-15 14:22:41	ty3r0x	it shows as ethernet interface
2021-05-15 14:22:50	ty3r0x	and my laptop says couldn't connect
2021-05-15 14:23:12	clever	does that interface have an ip?
2021-05-15 14:23:23	ty3r0x	no, just a mac address
2021-05-15 14:23:39	clever	you need to give it an ip, or you cant do anything with it
2021-05-15 14:24:01	ty3r0x	how can I do that
2021-05-15 14:24:37	clever	`ip addr add 192.168.3.4 dev INTERFACE`
2021-05-15 14:25:07	c0rnelius	I created a script to automate the process, but its not meant for use with raspbian but you can see the steps I took to make it work. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pyavitz/scripts/master/go-go-gadget32
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2021-05-15 14:27:36	ty3r0x	the automated script doesn't seem to work :/
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2021-05-15 14:27:45	ty3r0x	I'll d it manually then
2021-05-15 14:29:10	ty3r0x	ip addr add seems to solve the issue
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2021-05-15 14:29:24	ty3r0x	also what is the default password for a raspberry?
2021-05-15 14:30:59	clever	ty3r0x: either raspberry or raspberrypi
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2021-05-15 14:31:26	ty3r0x	neither seem to work :/
2021-05-15 14:31:35	HerculeP	The default user is pi , and the password is raspberry . You can add users and change each user's password.
2021-05-15 14:32:13	HerculeP	oops too much copied from google, lol
2021-05-15 14:32:36	ty3r0x	great, so now I have to reflash the os again
2021-05-15 14:33:24	HerculeP	ty3r0x: what kbd country?
2021-05-15 14:33:30	ty3r0x	uk
2021-05-15 14:34:25	HerculeP	raspberry should work then, my German kbd switches y and z tho
2021-05-15 14:35:01	ty3r0x	still not working
2021-05-15 14:36:05	Tenkawa	since i just showed up.. how did he install his os? flash new or noobs?
2021-05-15 14:36:29	HerculeP	he didnt say
2021-05-15 14:36:59	Tenkawa	ty3r0x: how did you build this media?
2021-05-15 14:37:21	ty3r0x	I put raspberry pi os
2021-05-15 14:37:28	ty3r0x	but I think I'll reflash it
2021-05-15 14:37:32	Tenkawa	with the rpi imager?
2021-05-15 14:37:41	Tenkawa	or dd or something else?
2021-05-15 14:39:20	Tenkawa	HerculeP: well I'm back running on full power again finally.. this week is going to be integrating new UPS's and power strips
2021-05-15 14:40:06	HerculeP	ah, cool, new wiring whole house IIRC
2021-05-15 14:40:11	Tenkawa	irony is the best circuit in the place was my server room
2021-05-15 14:40:13	Tenkawa	yep
2021-05-15 14:40:45	 *	enyc meows
2021-05-15 14:40:54	Tenkawa	that whole section wasnt even built until about 20 years ago
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2021-05-15 14:41:27	HerculeP	here its like 50+ years old, lol
2021-05-15 14:42:12	HerculeP	partly at least
2021-05-15 14:42:26	Tenkawa	the new conduit, grounding rods, breaker boxes, main feed… looks so much more efficient than when I use to work on it
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2021-05-15 14:42:48	Tenkawa	this is the 3rd set of wiring here
2021-05-15 14:43:06	Tenkawa	(granted the first was knob and tube/post)
2021-05-15 14:43:40	Tenkawa	100+ yr old home heheh
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2021-05-15 15:20:44	abnormal	mine was built 1940
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2021-05-15 15:21:10	abnormal	has fairly good wiring but way too sparce...
2021-05-15 15:21:31	abnormal	had to add lots of circuits in the house...
2021-05-15 15:22:18	Tenkawa	abnormal: one of the kickers here… 4 floors tall
2021-05-15 15:22:27	abnormal	damn
2021-05-15 15:22:34	abnormal	that's nice
2021-05-15 15:22:51	abnormal	mine only single level
2021-05-15 15:23:03	Tenkawa	yes and no..
2021-05-15 15:23:14	abnormal	had to move my puters into my workshop
2021-05-15 15:23:19	Tenkawa	lot of running up and down stairs lol
2021-05-15 15:23:29	abnormal	get an elevator
2021-05-15 15:23:31	Tenkawa	mind you our cats love it
2021-05-15 15:23:37	abnormal	I bet
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2021-05-15 15:24:09	Tenkawa	there was originally an open shaft between 3 of the floors… been sealed though before we bought it
2021-05-15 15:24:23	abnormal	aww shucks
2021-05-15 15:24:25	Tenkawa	the topmost floor was a converted attic
2021-05-15 15:24:33	abnormal	open it back up
2021-05-15 15:24:45	Tenkawa	nah.. I like it like this
2021-05-15 15:24:57	abnormal	heh, ok
2021-05-15 15:24:58	Tenkawa	more traditional
2021-05-15 15:25:01	abnormal	yup
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2021-05-15 15:25:36	abnormal	my house is only 820 sq ft
2021-05-15 15:25:38	Tenkawa	helps me keep up exercise during the current state of the time we're in heh
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2021-05-15 15:25:46	abnormal	yup
2021-05-15 15:27:04	Tenkawa	today was the first day we've hit above 60 I think in 5-6 months (for a whole day)
2021-05-15 15:27:17	Tenkawa	6-F
2021-05-15 15:27:20	Tenkawa	er 60F
2021-05-15 15:27:31	Tenkawa	71F right now
2021-05-15 15:27:44	abnormal	sweet
2021-05-15 15:27:55	abnormal	about that here in PA
2021-05-15 15:28:04	Tenkawa	we had a mild but long winter
2021-05-15 15:28:13	Tenkawa	oh… you right near me
2021-05-15 15:28:34	Tenkawa	duh.. I probably knew that
2021-05-15 15:28:55	Tenkawa	my memory is so shot
2021-05-15 15:28:55	abnormal	I am at a friend's place in Millerton
2021-05-15 15:29:06	Tenkawa	central ohio here
2021-05-15 15:29:11	abnormal	I live in Newfield NY
2021-05-15 15:29:16	Tenkawa	ah
2021-05-15 15:29:33	abnormal	an hour's drive one way
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2021-05-15 15:31:15	Tenkawa	yeah you only like 6 hrs.. you should be getting similar nice weather as long as you arent way north or south
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2021-05-15 15:32:11	Tenkawa	I use to travel to PA a fair bit in the early 2000's
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2021-05-15 15:32:29	abnormal	cool
2021-05-15 15:32:51	abnormal	it' s about an hour west of Troy
2021-05-15 15:32:58	Tenkawa	had a few offices in NY but they were mostly just management offices.. not operations
2021-05-15 15:33:10	abnormal	I see
2021-05-15 15:33:41	Tenkawa	that was oh so long ago
2021-05-15 15:33:49	abnormal	yeah
2021-05-15 15:34:09	abnormal	I'm 68 now
2021-05-15 15:34:14	Tenkawa	now I just wait for a RPI5
2021-05-15 15:34:15	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-15 15:34:25	abnormal	done traveling a lot
2021-05-15 15:34:47	abnormal	yeah I am waiting for RP-13
2021-05-15 15:34:51	abnormal	lol
2021-05-15 15:35:00	Tenkawa	I hear ya
2021-05-15 15:35:06	Tenkawa	lol
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2021-05-15 15:35:22	Tenkawa	only 13??? aww I the 42 was the one to have
2021-05-15 15:35:33	abnormal	heh
2021-05-15 15:35:40	abnormal	that'll be the day
2021-05-15 15:35:40	Tenkawa	er heard
2021-05-15 15:35:55	Tenkawa	(darn keyboard)
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2021-05-15 15:36:22	Tenkawa	I really wish I could turn this trackpad completely off on this MBP
2021-05-15 15:36:43	Tenkawa	I have about 85% of it off
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2021-05-15 16:07:19	abnormal	I see..  sorry
2021-05-15 16:07:39	abnormal	I could send you a nice wireless one..
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2021-05-15 16:12:52	Tenkawa	no no.. I use a bt mouse… I just dislike trackpads in general… and you cant turn it completely off in os x
2021-05-15 16:13:17	Tenkawa	mostly yes.. not completely though with a bt mouse
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2021-05-15 16:14:25	Tenkawa	I only use one hand (can't use one due to dexterity issues from birth) so I end up hitting the pad a lot
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2021-05-15 16:21:16	Tenkawa	Cheers all. Got to run to our local greenhouse. Be back later tonight.
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2021-05-15 18:21:54	wyre	hi guys, I've cannot connect my raspberry via WiFi
2021-05-15 18:22:31	 *	ShorTie wonders, was it working ??
2021-05-15 18:22:31	wyre	I've added my network ssid and password to the wpa_supplicant.conf and unblocked from rfkill but it still doesn't connect
2021-05-15 18:22:38	wyre	ShorTie, it's a fresh install
2021-05-15 18:23:00	ShorTie	setting your country code ??
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2021-05-15 18:23:10	yitz	Did you enable the network connection? What distro are you running?
2021-05-15 18:23:30	wyre	raspberry pi os
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2021-05-15 18:23:54	wyre	ShorTie, yes, the country code is also set
2021-05-15 18:24:04	wyre	yitz, what do you mean with "enable the network connection"?
2021-05-15 18:24:15	wyre	rfkill shows it as unblocked
2021-05-15 18:24:32	yitz	Something needs to tell something to try and bring up the network interface
2021-05-15 18:25:00	wyre	I've tried to do `ip link set wlan0 up` as well, but I have not still IP
2021-05-15 18:26:00	yitz	That brings up the interface. You then need to set the SSID, run wpa_supplicant then then dhcp
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2021-05-15 18:26:17	yitz	Some network manager tool probably should do that all for you
2021-05-15 18:26:22	wyre	I've set the ssid in wpa_supplicant.conf
2021-05-15 18:26:35	yitz	But you may need to enable a systemd unit or something
2021-05-15 18:27:02	wyre	yitz, does wpa_supplicant have some?
2021-05-15 18:27:06	yitz	iwconfig $interface ESSID $name
2021-05-15 18:27:21	yitz	The config doesn't set the SSID on the interface
2021-05-15 18:27:46	yitz	But doing all that work by hand is a PITA. You should have a network manager do it all for you
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2021-05-15 18:28:39	wyre	yitz, is not the ssid the same than ESSID?
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2021-05-15 18:31:30	yitz	They are the same
2021-05-15 18:31:37	yitz	wpa_supplicant doesn't set it, though
2021-05-15 18:33:01	 *	ShorTie thinkz, maybe post your wpa_supplicant.conf so we can l00k-see it
2021-05-15 18:33:26	yitz	(1) bring up interface (2) connect to SSID (3) run wpa_supplicant for encryption (4) dhcp to acquire an IP
2021-05-15 18:33:50	yitz	You need to do all four steps in that order. Skip 3 for unsecured WiFi. Or use a network manager to have it do the work for you
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2021-05-15 18:36:35	wyre	yitz, (1) with rfkill? (2) with iwconfg?
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2021-05-15 18:40:28	yitz	(1) ip up (2) iwconfig (3) wpa_supplicant (4) dhcpcd
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2021-05-15 18:40:47	yitz	(0) make sure it's not rfkill'ed
2021-05-15 18:41:09	yitz	(1) `ip link set wlan0 up` or similar
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2021-05-15 18:43:17	wyre	yitz, ShorTie https://bpa.st/GWOQ
2021-05-15 18:43:40	wyre	wpa_supplicant is running ip link set wlan0 up doesn't do anything
2021-05-15 18:44:17	clever	wyre: wpa_cli -iwlan0 status
2021-05-15 18:44:22	clever	what does it say?
2021-05-15 18:44:26	ShorTie	do you have a cable to it too ??
2021-05-15 18:44:57	ShorTie	Debian picks cable before wifi
2021-05-15 18:45:25	wyre	ShorTie, but shouldn't have I at the same time both?
2021-05-15 18:45:43	wyre	clever, https://bpa.st/JOKA
2021-05-15 18:46:13	ShorTie	same time both? nop nop
2021-05-15 18:46:16	clever	wyre: so it is currently scanning for a network to connect to
2021-05-15 18:46:33	clever	wyre: what about this one? `wpa_cli -iwlan0 list_networks ; wpa_cli -iwlan0 scan_results`
2021-05-15 18:48:22	wyre	clever, https://bpa.st/IALA and https://bpa.st/XHZA
2021-05-15 18:48:53	wyre	clever, why list_networks just shows my network but TEMP-DISABLED? 🤔
2021-05-15 18:49:11	clever	wyre: `wpa_cli -iwlan0 enable_network 0`
2021-05-15 18:49:12	wyre	(my network is NETLLAR_96C)
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2021-05-15 18:50:23	wyre	clever, it says OK, but still no IP
2021-05-15 18:50:34	clever	has the status changed?
2021-05-15 18:50:44	clever	the status coomand
2021-05-15 18:50:47	wyre	nope
2021-05-15 18:50:51	wyre	still TEMP-DISABLED
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2021-05-15 18:50:59	wyre	oh, you say the stats sorry
2021-05-15 18:51:02	wyre	it's still SCANNING
2021-05-15 18:51:04	clever	root@pi400:~# journalctl -f -u wpa_supplicant
2021-05-15 18:51:11	clever	what about these logs?
2021-05-15 18:51:19	wyre	let's see
2021-05-15 18:52:37	wyre	https://bpa.st/D6QQ
2021-05-15 18:52:43	wyre	clever, apparently it's working
2021-05-15 18:53:20	clever	you can also run `wpa_cli -iwlan0` and then enter commands like `status`, `list_networks`, and `enable_network 0`
2021-05-15 18:53:29	clever	and youll get more feedback between commands
2021-05-15 18:54:33	wyre	clever, I can see the same
2021-05-15 18:54:58	clever	what about `select_network 1` ?
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2021-05-15 18:56:46	wyre	clever, https://bpa.st/WIFQ
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2021-05-15 18:57:01	wyre	apparently... is it failing in the authentication?
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2021-05-15 18:57:25	clever	auth_failures=12
2021-05-15 18:57:29	clever	yep, thats what it says
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2021-05-15 18:57:56	clever	double-check the password in wpa_supplicant.conf
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2021-05-15 19:00:08	wyre	I'm connected with my desktop PC with the very same password 😱
2021-05-15 19:00:17	wyre	I can't believe this 😥
2021-05-15 19:00:35	clever	wyre: compare the wpa_supplicant.conf files on each machine?
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2021-05-15 19:00:58	wyre	I've compared the password because the desktop PC is W10
2021-05-15 19:01:07	wyre	but sure, it's exactly the same password
2021-05-15 19:01:20	wyre	I cannot understand why all these failures 😕
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2021-05-15 19:04:49	wyre	clever, I can connect to my smartphone hotspot 😕
2021-05-15 19:04:56	wyre	but not to my home router
2021-05-15 19:05:08	clever	then its not a problem on the pi hardware/drivers
2021-05-15 19:05:20	clever	either your typing the pw wrong, or the router has banned you
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2021-05-15 19:06:51	wyre	clever, do you think could I see whether the router has banned the rpi? 🤔
2021-05-15 19:08:07	clever	check the logs on the router
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2021-05-15 19:09:02	c0rnelius	which pi model?
2021-05-15 19:09:13	wyre	c0rnelius, 4
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2021-05-15 19:09:46	c0rnelius	You trying to connect to 2.4 or 5GHz?
2021-05-15 19:10:15	clever	c0rnelius: 50:0f:f5:82:40:19       2442    -25     [WPA-PSK-CCMP+TKIP][WPA2-PSK-CCMP+TKIP][WPS][ESS]       NETLLAR_96C
2021-05-15 19:10:18	clever	2.4
2021-05-15 19:10:25	clever	and wpa_supplicant can list it
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2021-05-15 19:11:45	c0rnelius	wpa supplicant and crda have the country code in place?
2021-05-15 19:12:13	clever	<3>Trying to associate with SSID 'NETLLAR_96C'
2021-05-15 19:12:14	clever	<3>CTRL-EVENT-ASSOC-REJECT bssid=00:00:00:00:00:00 status_code=16
2021-05-15 19:12:14	clever	<3>CTRL-EVENT-SSID-TEMP-DISABLED id=0 ssid="NETLLAR_96C" auth_failures=12 duration=122 reason=CONN_FAILED
2021-05-15 19:12:25	clever	c0rnelius: these logs imply that the router is rejecting due to wrong pw
2021-05-15 19:13:34	c0rnelius	Would appear that way.
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2021-05-15 19:26:14	wyre	clever, c0rnelius apparently it was the router 😥 sorry guys
2021-05-15 19:26:27	wyre	I've restarted it and now I can connect to it ...
2021-05-15 19:26:30	wyre	unexpected
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2021-05-15 19:59:25	{HD}	the version of deluge in the raspbian ppa is junk. How do I upgrade? I tried "sudo add-apt-repository ppa:deluge-team/stable" but it isn't signed and I couldn't get it to let me install it.
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2021-05-15 20:15:56	craigevil	use backports
2021-05-15 20:16:30	craigevil	don't use ppas on raspberrypi os or debian
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2021-05-15 20:20:37	{HD}	craigevil: Hum I will have to look that up. i have never used backports before. Is raspios on "buster" currently?
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2021-05-15 20:22:25	craigevil	yes
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2021-05-15 20:23:11	craigevil	deb https://deb.debian.org/debian/ buster-backports main contrib non-free is what you would add to your sources.list
2021-05-15 20:24:58	craigevil	this is what my sources.list looked like when I was on stable: https://paste.debian.net/1197744/
2021-05-15 20:25:11	craigevil	along with the raspi.list
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2021-05-15 20:26:06	craigevil	you could also try adding: deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ bullseye main  to your raspi.list
2021-05-15 20:27:05	{HD}	craigevil: how do you tell what version is in each repository? Looks like bullseye has the latest but I cannot tell what buster-backports has
2021-05-15 20:28:34	craigevil	apt policy packagename
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2021-05-15 20:31:43	craigevil	deluge-gtk: Installed: 2.0.3-3 Candidate: 2.0.3-3
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2021-05-15 20:33:49	yuta	craigevil, can you use it properly?
2021-05-15 20:34:01	yuta	craigevil, can you use newest deluge properly?*
2021-05-15 20:34:12	craigevil	deluge? yes it works great
2021-05-15 20:34:27	craigevil	but i am running raspi os upgraded to debian unstable
2021-05-15 20:35:02	craigevil	Distro: Raspberry Pi OS base: Debian GNU/Linux 11 (bullseye) Kernel: 5.10.36-v8+ aarch64
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2021-05-15 20:35:41	craigevil	my sources.lists https://paste.debian.net/1197745/
2021-05-15 20:35:44	yuta	ah craigevil
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2021-05-15 20:36:46	yuta	I wanted to use newest deluge , too :) craigevil
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2021-05-15 20:38:41	craigevil	nefetch, https://imgur.com/D5xkHwH
2021-05-15 20:38:52	craigevil	try backports or the pi bullseye repo
2021-05-15 20:40:47	yuta	nice
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2021-05-15 20:50:01	{HD}	well adding bullseye worked but I think I accidently upgraded stuff not associated with deluge...but everything still works so 👍
2021-05-15 20:50:15	craigevil	it should be fine
2021-05-15 20:51:32	yuta	I added backports but apt update reports deluge is already newest.
2021-05-15 20:51:55	craigevil	you have to do apt -t buster-backports install deluge
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2021-05-15 20:52:40	yuta	https://paste.debian.net/1197747/
2021-05-15 20:53:31	craigevil	did you do apt update first
2021-05-15 20:53:42	yuta	did craigevil
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2021-05-15 20:55:07	craigevil	what does apt policy deluge show?
2021-05-15 20:55:36	yuta	https://paste.debian.net/1197748/
2021-05-15 20:56:16	yuta	https://paste.debian.net/1197749/
2021-05-15 20:56:52	craigevil	crap it isn't in backports
2021-05-15 20:57:10	yuta	ah
2021-05-15 20:57:12	yuta	ok lol
2021-05-15 20:57:20	craigevil	you can do like {HD} did and use the bullseye pi repo
2021-05-15 20:57:22	craigevil	deb http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ bullseye main
2021-05-15 20:58:04	yuta	I will try.
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2021-05-15 21:00:00	craigevil	add the repo, do apt update, then use the Add packages or Synaptic to upgrade deluge
2021-05-15 21:00:35	yuta	craigevil, i add bullseye repo , but it requied upgrade to bullseye.
2021-05-15 21:00:53	craigevil	if you do apt upgrade you will upgrade everything in the bullseye repo
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2021-05-15 21:01:07	yuta	craigevil, I will wait for bullseye release , and Thanks.
2021-05-15 21:01:18	yuta	yes craigevil , I don't want to.
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2021-05-15 21:02:05	craigevil	you can try this:apt-get install --only-upgrade <packagename>
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2021-05-15 21:04:00	yuta	craigevil, I am worried about conflict.
2021-05-15 21:04:12	craigevil	sudo apt update && sudo apt install --only-upgrade <package1> <package2> <package3>
2021-05-15 21:04:56	craigevil	that is suppoed to only upgrade the specific packages, but will upgrade any dependencies as well
2021-05-15 21:05:20	craigevil	your only other option is to try building it from source, or see if there is a flatpak or snap
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2021-05-15 21:06:13	yuta	craigevil, I gave up newest deluge lol Thanks .
2021-05-15 21:06:23	craigevil	there is a flatpak
2021-05-15 21:06:50	yuta	This pi is also wifi AP and router, I want to have trouble.
2021-05-15 21:06:51	craigevil	Deluge         A fully-featured BitTorrent Client         org.deluge_torrent.deluge         2.0.3          stable        flathub
2021-05-15 21:07:14	yuta	maybe , bullseye comes soon.
2021-05-15 21:07:27	craigevil	flatpaks don't mess with other installed packages
2021-05-15 21:07:45	yuta	https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=deluged
2021-05-15 21:10:10	yuta	craigevil, I cannot challenge lol thanks .
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2021-05-15 21:13:07	yuta	ah sorry , that is challgen for me . :) craigevil
2021-05-15 21:13:18	yuta	ah sorry , that is challenge for me . :) craigevil  *
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2021-05-15 21:23:49	yuta	Maybe , I should use ubuntu-server for arm.
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2021-05-15 21:32:24	Snuupy	is what I do, switched from rpiOS
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2021-05-15 21:35:41	yuta	Snuupy, I see , no trouble?
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2021-05-15 21:37:57	Snuupy	not yet
2021-05-15 21:38:04	Snuupy	I'm on 20.04
2021-05-15 21:38:15	Snuupy	I wanted to play with 21.04 though
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2021-05-15 21:53:10	yuta	okay, Snuupy
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2021-05-15 21:57:25	c0rnelius	you can build the latest deluge on buster, you just need to make edits to the control file and build the deb
2021-05-15 22:01:40	yuta	c0rnelius, Thanks, but that is challenge for me.
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2021-05-15 22:03:07	c0rnelius	It's Linux. It's meant to be challenging.
2021-05-15 22:04:21	c0rnelius	If a dumb dumb like me can do it, anyone can.
2021-05-15 22:04:58	yuta	lool
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2021-05-15 22:05:07	yuta	you are right lol
2021-05-15 22:05:15	c0rnelius	I know
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2021-05-15 22:05:23	yuta	lol
2021-05-15 22:10:28	craigevil	there are other torrent clients; transmission, biglybt, bitstormlite, ktorrent, qbittorrent, rtorrent
2021-05-15 22:11:02	yuta	craigevil, I stopped using transmission . then I rely deluge.
2021-05-15 22:12:38	c0rnelius	control file - https://pastebin.com/PvbyWid2
2021-05-15 22:12:56	c0rnelius	main change is this - debhelper-compat (= 12)
2021-05-15 22:13:23	c0rnelius	as it looks for version 13 I believe? after that its minor stuff.
2021-05-15 22:13:52	c0rnelius	The build tells you what it needs when you run, you just make the adjustments
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2021-05-15 22:15:16	c0rnelius	This pretty much holds true for most deb packages.
2021-05-15 22:16:25	c0rnelius	If its arch specific in some cases you can even add ur own arch.
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2021-05-15 22:20:17	yuta	downloaded your text c0rnelius
2021-05-15 22:21:30	c0rnelius	yuta: you want the two tarballs on the right side of the page - https://packages.debian.org/sid/deluge
2021-05-15 22:22:23	c0rnelius	the debian one holds the control file and that debian dir goes inside the dir of deluge folder that the other archive creates.
2021-05-15 22:23:55	yuta	i see
2021-05-15 22:24:13	c0rnelius	once everything is in place cd intro the deluge dir and run - dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
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2021-05-15 22:24:28	c0rnelius	it will tell you the depends you need.
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2021-05-15 22:25:02	c0rnelius	If you don't have the proper ones version wise just edit the control file to match the ones you do have and build the packages
2021-05-15 22:25:10	yuta	https://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Installing/Source
2021-05-15 22:25:17	yuta	you mean same of this?
2021-05-15 22:26:04	c0rnelius	kinda
2021-05-15 22:26:10	yuta	ok
2021-05-15 22:27:28	yuta	I found cheat.
2021-05-15 22:27:29	yuta	https://pypi.org/project/deluge/
2021-05-15 22:27:51	c0rnelius	pip is always fun too
2021-05-15 22:29:22	yuta	I try to use it at first c0rnelius
2021-05-15 22:29:43	c0rnelius	use what works for you, thats what I say.
2021-05-15 22:30:34	c0rnelius	I use pip3 for some stuff. Not very much.
2021-05-15 22:30:45	yuta	c0rnelius, much Thanks.pip says
2021-05-15 22:30:52	yuta	Requirement already satisfied: deluge in /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages (1.3.15)
2021-05-15 22:32:06	yuta	ah pip3 works.
2021-05-15 22:32:21	c0rnelius	you should use pip3
2021-05-15 22:33:10	yuta	it seems so.
2021-05-15 22:34:01	c0rnelius	install bpytop using pip3. Its pretty sweet :)
2021-05-15 22:34:10	c0rnelius	makes htop look stupid
2021-05-15 22:36:10	yuta	ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'libtorrent'
2021-05-15 22:36:12	yuta	lol
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2021-05-15 22:37:01	yuta	I installed bpytop ,  so cool lol
2021-05-15 22:37:05	yuta	thanks c0rnelius
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2021-05-15 22:38:26	c0rnelius	That happens in pip which is why I don't use it for a lot of stuff, but you can get around it by installing some of them through apt.
2021-05-15 22:38:41	c0rnelius	https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libtorrent
2021-05-15 22:38:59	c0rnelius	as you can see there are python3 related packages for that
2021-05-15 22:40:17	yuta	i see
2021-05-15 22:41:05	c0rnelius	You may encounter version conflicts though? I've never tried using pip to install deluge.
2021-05-15 22:42:11	c0rnelius	plus I Just use the backend and the web interface. I don't use any of the gtk gui related stuff.
2021-05-15 22:42:50	yuta	I use deluged.
2021-05-15 22:42:56	c0rnelius	Yah me too
2021-05-15 22:43:45	yuta	so , I need to install libtorrent-rasterbar
2021-05-15 22:43:50	yuta	onlyl.
2021-05-15 22:43:52	yuta	only.
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2021-05-15 22:45:37	c0rnelius	I'm not 100% on any of that. Like i said, I build the deb.
2021-05-15 22:47:37	yuta	that is good way I think , too.
2021-05-15 22:47:40	yuta	c0rnelius,
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2021-05-15 23:42:51	Snuupy	I'm looking these raspberry pi KVMs
2021-05-15 23:43:10	Snuupy	this is so cool
2021-05-15 23:43:39	Snuupy	I'm looking into building one
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2021-05-16 06:38:57	Latrina	Morning all
2021-05-16 06:40:12	Latrina	I am trying to PXE boot ubuntu 20.04 server to the rpi 4b but boot process stalls after executing /init. I posted the issue here https://askubuntu.com/questions/1338647/ubuntu-20-04-raspberry-pi-4b-pxe-boot-fails-after-run-init
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2021-05-16 06:40:37	Latrina	Any help is very much appreciated :)
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2021-05-16 07:30:36	HerculeP	Latrina: the ubuntu maintainer idles in #raspberrypi
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2021-05-16 07:31:17	HerculeP	oops, we are here, lol
2021-05-16 07:32:43	HerculeP	Latrina: his nick is waveform
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2021-05-16 09:41:24	Dan39	Latrina: have you tested those NFS exports already with the same paths?
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2021-05-16 09:45:31	patstoms	morning
2021-05-16 09:46:12	patstoms	i am trying out a pico and would like to understand how often i will have to use bootsel button
2021-05-16 09:46:46	patstoms	i would like to solder pins in a way that i can see those gpio numbers and leave a button down to bread board
2021-05-16 09:46:53	 *	ShorTie thinkz, never
2021-05-16 09:47:19	ShorTie	or i haven't yet
2021-05-16 09:47:57	ShorTie	i need to get a display for mine
2021-05-16 09:52:54	abnormal	go dumpster diving for one
2021-05-16 09:56:41	ShorTie	no dumpster around .. :(~
2021-05-16 09:57:53	yuta	c0rnelius, bpytop is great  and fun :)
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2021-05-16 10:00:45	c0rnelius	yeah its pretty kool.
2021-05-16 10:02:56	yuta	c0rnelius, very funny lol
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2021-05-16 10:13:00	abnormal	have a link for the bpytop?
2021-05-16 10:14:22	c0rnelius	sudo apt install python3-pip && pip3 install bpytop
2021-05-16 10:14:40	abnormal	ty
2021-05-16 10:15:06	c0rnelius	or if ur like me - sudo pip3 install bpytop :) I like to live on the edge.
2021-05-16 10:15:24	Chunkyz	what is bpytop?
2021-05-16 10:15:36	c0rnelius	its like a better version of htop
2021-05-16 10:15:43	Chunkyz	oh :-D
2021-05-16 10:16:04	c0rnelius	https://github.com/aristocratos/bashtop
2021-05-16 10:16:23	c0rnelius	there is that one and the python version
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2021-05-16 12:05:01	craigevil	try stacer
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2021-05-16 13:06:23	dwho	hello everybody , I have to boot on external usb harddisk with ubuntu on harddisk but I don't have to do . Help please
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2021-05-16 13:12:31	Maik	dwho: desktop image?
2021-05-16 13:12:39	Maik	here's how to do it: https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/how-to-install-ubuntu-desktop-on-raspberry-pi-4#1-overview
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2021-05-16 13:15:01	Maik	nicoco: mind doing something about your connection please. Now it's getting annoying. Thanks in advance.
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2021-05-16 13:15:53	Maik	nicoco: dude....
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2021-05-16 13:16:55	Maik	nicoco: are you doing that on purpose now?
2021-05-16 13:17:23	nicoco	I love to lurk here on my mobile Maik
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2021-05-16 13:17:46	Maik	get a bouncer or use matrix to stay logged in
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2021-05-16 13:18:05	nicoco	I mean... join/leave notices don't make much sense nowadays, why bother letting them displayed?
2021-05-16 13:18:21	Maik	just take care of it please
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2021-05-16 13:18:48	Maik	or i'll have you removed one way or the other.
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2021-05-16 13:19:39	Maik	!ops
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2021-05-16 13:24:04	Maik	sigh...
2021-05-16 13:24:22	Maik	nicoco: come on dude, cut it
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2021-05-16 13:34:03	dwho	 Thanks Maik
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2021-05-16 13:37:57	dwho	I want to boot on harddisk  when power on , this tuto it's for install ubuntu on micro sdcard.
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2021-05-16 13:48:59	nicoco	Maik: I think I set my biboumi instance in bouncer mode now. But dude, your tone... I hope I am missing the irony or something, because if this is first degree, I really feel sad for you :/
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2021-05-16 14:06:51	Maik	dwho: read a bit further down int the manual, it shows you how to do it with a usb SSD/HDD
2021-05-16 14:07:28	Maik	nicoco: the join/leave messages since a couple of days in a row are just becoming annoying. We shouldn't turn on the Hide join/leave notices just because of you.
2021-05-16 14:09:12	dwho	Thanks Maik
2021-05-16 14:09:25	Maik	you're welcome :)
2021-05-16 14:09:28	dwho	good night everybody
2021-05-16 14:09:33	Maik	o/
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2021-05-16 14:10:27	Tenkawa	dwho: wheres your tardus?
2021-05-16 14:10:38	dwho	yes it's 8 : 10 pm in France
2021-05-16 14:11:05	Maik	still early
2021-05-16 14:11:07	Maik	:)
2021-05-16 14:11:17	Maik	Belgium here ;)
2021-05-16 14:11:21	Tenkawa	2pm here
2021-05-16 14:11:28	Maik	hey Tenkawa
2021-05-16 14:11:34	Tenkawa	hey hey
2021-05-16 14:11:39	dwho	I 've lost my tardis  Tenkawa
2021-05-16 14:12:11	Tenkawa	dwho: got to put the recall locatpr on it or get River to start chasing you lol
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2021-05-16 14:15:40	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
2021-05-16 14:15:40	--	Channel #raspberrypi: 678 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 677 normals)
2021-05-16 14:15:55	--	Channel created on Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:04:23
2021-05-16 14:16:06	 *	Tenkawa 's heritage is from Luxembourg so his family spoke the French/German hybrid
2021-05-16 14:16:10	dwho	i must to speak english
2021-05-16 14:16:59	Tenkawa	I hope to go back again some day
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2021-05-16 14:17:53	dwho	but i don't my language and it's difficult when don't practise everyday
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2021-05-16 14:18:13	Tenkawa	I agree
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2021-05-16 14:19:30	dwho	but when the people understand
2021-05-16 14:19:35	Tenkawa	is this even close?
2021-05-16 14:19:37	Tenkawa	Quand je voyageais pour le travail, c'était plus facile
2021-05-16 14:20:09	dwho	Tu parle bien francais en tout cas Tenkawa
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2021-05-16 14:21:07	Tenkawa	I just used google
2021-05-16 14:21:22	Tenkawa	I was fairly good 25 years ago
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2021-05-16 14:22:07	Tenkawa	that was suppose to say "When I travelled for work it was easier"
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2021-05-16 14:22:24	Tenkawa	because I had to use French a lot
2021-05-16 14:22:30	dwho	LOL , me don't use Google, my english is approximately
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2021-05-16 14:23:28	Tenkawa	I was in France, Luxembourg, Germany and England mostly
2021-05-16 14:24:39	Tenkawa	dwho: are you new to raspberry pi?
2021-05-16 14:24:42	dwho	you 're traveling lot of country ,
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2021-05-16 14:25:04	dwho	I have raspberry pi 4
2021-05-16 14:25:10	Tenkawa	dwho: I did when I worked that job yes. I'm retired now though
2021-05-16 14:25:53	Tenkawa	Maik: Anything new in your rpi world?
2021-05-16 14:26:23	Maik	Tenkawa: no, not really
2021-05-16 14:26:24	dwho	I work in France only.
2021-05-16 14:27:17	Tenkawa	Maik: you heard about the power/electrical saga right?
2021-05-16 14:27:25	dwho	my old computer was broken and I buy a raspberry pi 4
2021-05-16 14:27:56	Maik	Tenkawa: uhm... no?
2021-05-16 14:27:59	Tenkawa	oh
2021-05-16 14:28:27	Tenkawa	yeah my entire house had to be rewired and all new panels, breakers, circuits put in
2021-05-16 14:29:17	Tenkawa	the were 50+ year old.. some still had knob + post/tube wiring (100+ year old house) in the wall that needed to be pulled out
2021-05-16 14:29:38	Tenkawa	had a real bad 2 days last week
2021-05-16 14:29:47	Tenkawa	next to no power
2021-05-16 14:30:05	abnormal	I see
2021-05-16 14:30:07	Tenkawa	this is the house's 3rd wiring job
2021-05-16 14:30:20	abnormal	use solar panel or a gen
2021-05-16 14:30:55	Tenkawa	these new panels make me so jealous... I grew up doing elec/hvac in my family and these are so much more efficient
2021-05-16 14:31:15	dwho	goodbye people and thanks .
2021-05-16 14:31:24	Tenkawa	abnormal: they had done some crazy mess work in here
2021-05-16 14:31:28	Tenkawa	dwho: cheers
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2021-05-16 14:32:01	Maik	Tenkawa: holy crap o_O
2021-05-16 14:32:03	abnormal	I did my own upgrades of house wiring myself
2021-05-16 14:32:03	Tenkawa	abnormal: and this is ohio.. we don't get enough sun.. you should know that lol
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2021-05-16 14:33:01	Tenkawa	Maik: shouldve seen the light fixture arc that caused the initial phonecall
2021-05-16 14:33:33	jpmh_	does the raspberrypiOs offer multiple desktops in the Desktop interface - the pannel option seems to allow me to set an entry showing which desktop I am in but I see no way to switch / change / add desktos
2021-05-16 14:34:00	Tenkawa	I grew up in this so it didnt make me jump "quite" as bad... but my wife I think was a bit more unexpecting of seeing that
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2021-05-16 14:54:06	Habbie	nicoco, hello, channel operator here; thank you for fixing that, it really was very noisy
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2021-05-16 14:55:05	Maik	yep, also appreciated from my end
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2021-05-16 14:59:29	Tenkawa	Habbie: hey whats new?
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2021-05-16 14:59:52	Habbie	Tenkawa, hey, not much! you?
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2021-05-16 15:00:20	Tenkawa	just trying to catch up after my power chaos at the house
2021-05-16 15:00:29	Tenkawa	(or lack there of)
2021-05-16 15:00:30	Habbie	ah
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2021-05-16 15:01:50	Tenkawa	putting in reinforcing equip in my home server room to go along with the electrical rework
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2021-05-16 15:01:56	Habbie	nice
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2021-05-16 15:02:30	 *	ShorTie wonders what size rebarb his using
2021-05-16 15:02:39	Tenkawa	yeah... now its become the "weak/old" point... not going to have strange spikes go there
2021-05-16 15:02:40	Tenkawa	lol
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2021-05-16 15:03:38	ShorTie	man, they did away with my electric discount because of my generator
2021-05-16 15:03:43	ShorTie	snuckz
2021-05-16 15:04:17	Tenkawa	hey you might know the answer to this by memory.. which driver is the pi 4 ethernet driver (the bcm2711 soc nic)
2021-05-16 15:04:30	Habbie	let's see if my pi4 will tell me
2021-05-16 15:04:47	Tenkawa	I cant remember which kernel driver and I accidently compiled it out so hwinfo isnt showing me
2021-05-16 15:05:05	Tenkawa	I need to test something
2021-05-16 15:05:12	craigevil	is pi400 the same driver
2021-05-16 15:05:12	Habbie	bcm_phy_lib            20480  1 broadcom ?
2021-05-16 15:05:17	Habbie	craigevil, i'd expect so
2021-05-16 15:05:25	Tenkawa	craigevil: it should be
2021-05-16 15:05:29	Habbie	[    4.976387] bcmgenet fd580000.ethernet: GENET 5.0 EPHY: 0x0000
2021-05-16 15:05:31	Tenkawa	I think its a smsc one
2021-05-16 15:05:34	Habbie	do either of those lines help you
2021-05-16 15:05:35	Habbie	?
2021-05-16 15:05:39	Tenkawa	ahh yes the genet
2021-05-16 15:05:46	Tenkawa	thats the one
2021-05-16 15:05:50	Habbie	this is Debian, not raspios, but that shouldn't be a problem
2021-05-16 15:05:52	Tenkawa	thanks
2021-05-16 15:05:54	Habbie	np
2021-05-16 15:06:14	ShorTie	CONFIG_BCMGENET
2021-05-16 15:06:23	Tenkawa	broadcom genet
2021-05-16 15:06:27	craigevil	wlan0 mmc_bcm2835 eth0 bcmgenet
2021-05-16 15:07:05	Tenkawa	I had compiled it out and now I need it for a cluster config
2021-05-16 15:07:07	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-16 15:07:13	ShorTie	CONFIG_BROADCOM_PHY too...
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2021-05-16 15:07:28	Tenkawa	yeah the phy is a forced in
2021-05-16 15:07:52	ShorTie	i got it as a module .. :/~
2021-05-16 15:08:15	Tenkawa	right .. I dont think it will let you turn it off though
2021-05-16 15:08:22	Tenkawa	if you add the other
2021-05-16 15:08:33	Tenkawa	you have to compile the module
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2021-05-16 15:08:58	Tenkawa	(could be wrong though.. will see shortly)
2021-05-16 15:09:56	 *	ShorTie spray paints Tenkawa glasses purple
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2021-05-16 15:10:04	ShorTie	oh really ??
2021-05-16 15:11:02	Tenkawa	ahh depends on if you turn genet on or module.. most of those in this list dont give you  a choice.. this one does.. odd
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2021-05-16 15:13:19	Tenkawa	yeah broadcom_phy is forced as a module if=
2021-05-16 15:13:21	Tenkawa	 Selected by [m]:                                                                                                                                                     │
2021-05-16 15:13:21	Tenkawa	  │   - BCMGENET [=m] && NETDEVICES [=y] && ETHERNET [=y] && NET_VENDOR_BROADCOM [=y] && HAS_IOMEM [=y] && ARCH_BCM2835 [=y]
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2021-05-16 15:16:11	Tenkawa	and now it builds..
2021-05-16 15:16:16	Tenkawa	thanks again all
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2021-05-16 15:22:03	ShorTie	ordered a couple more Pico's and a LCD1602 display .. :)~
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2021-05-16 15:25:14	Tenkawa	nice
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2021-05-16 15:39:44	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
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2021-05-16 15:42:47	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
2021-05-16 15:42:47	--	Channel #raspberrypi: 677 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 676 normals)
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2021-05-16 16:07:35	markand	are pi zero being decomissionned?
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2021-05-16 16:09:52	Habbie	markand, that sounds unlikely
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2021-05-16 16:12:38	Tenkawa	pi zero's are one of the most popular sellers.. why would you think that?
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2021-05-16 16:13:27	Reedy	could be stock shortages
2021-05-16 16:13:30	Tenkawa	and from the foundation officially:
2021-05-16 16:13:31	Reedy	like there are for many things
2021-05-16 16:13:32	Tenkawa	Obsolescence StatementRaspberry Pi Zero W will remain in production until at least January 2026
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2021-05-16 16:13:57	Tenkawa	Reedy: shortages are different thsn decommissioning
2021-05-16 16:14:03	Tenkawa	er than
2021-05-16 16:14:04	Reedy	I know
2021-05-16 16:14:20	Reedy	But some people might assume "I can't find any stock" meaning it's possibly EOL
2021-05-16 16:14:30	Reedy	When in reality, it's global production shortages
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2021-05-16 16:16:09	Tenkawa	Habbie: craigevil: btw that did bring the ethernet back online.. thanks
2021-05-16 16:16:14	Habbie	Tenkawa, nice
2021-05-16 16:16:23	markand	no I was asking because of this obsolescent statement
2021-05-16 16:16:30	markand	as the pi4 is the only one not having it (AFAIK)
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2021-05-16 16:19:34	Reedy	pi4 will probably get one when there's a replacement properly announced
2021-05-16 16:20:35	Tenkawa	markand: rpi foundation's website and documentation has never been perfect
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2021-05-16 16:20:59	markand	flirc cases are so beautiful
2021-05-16 16:21:06	markand	a bit expensive though
2021-05-16 16:21:06	Tenkawa	the pi400 is what most references I'm reading direct to model its date after
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2021-05-16 16:22:20	Tenkawa	I'm a fan of my argon40 case and my tower personally: https://www.microcenter.com/product/600413/micro-connectors-4-layer-stackable-acrylic-raspberry-pi-case-with-fan
2021-05-16 16:22:32	Tenkawa	these are what I use for my rpi 4's
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2021-05-16 16:55:20	Latrina	Dan39, sorry for the late reply. Yes the nfs exports can be mounted fine
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2021-05-16 17:14:45	Jinx	are any RPi boards still manufactured in China?
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2021-05-16 17:14:57	Jinx	if so: is it possible to differentiate when buying?
2021-05-16 17:15:37	clever	Jinx: what differences are you expecting?
2021-05-16 17:16:00	Jinx	it's not necessarily a matter of expecting differences :)
2021-05-16 17:16:05	Reedy	China, Japan and Wales IIRC
2021-05-16 17:16:28	Jinx	without getting into politics: one might just prefer to purchase from more democratic countries
2021-05-16 17:16:43	clever	Jinx: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/revision-codes/README.md
2021-05-16 17:16:57	Reedy	https://www.element14.com/community/thread/71771/l/which-manufacture-country
2021-05-16 17:17:09	Reedy	I guess it depends on who you choose to buy them from
2021-05-16 17:17:11	clever	Jinx: there is a number in the revision code stating where it was made, sony uk, egoman, embest, sony japan, or stadium
2021-05-16 17:17:29	clever	but the store likely doesnt know the revision code, just where they got it from
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2021-05-16 17:17:52	Jinx	clever: yeah--given shipping costs i would hope it's possible to know beforehand
2021-05-16 17:18:21	Reedy	I can buy a rpi from digikey in the US with free delivery to the UK
2021-05-16 17:18:27	Jinx	Reedy: according to that post, "Besides those sold in China itself, all raspberrie PIs are made in UK."
2021-05-16 17:18:37	Reedy	Surprisingly, I read it before I posted it
2021-05-16 17:18:45	Jinx	heh
2021-05-16 17:18:50	Jinx	you're unique :)
2021-05-16 17:19:05	Jinx	is it strange that it bothers me that he spelled it "raspberrie"?
2021-05-16 17:19:13	Jinx	that's not some UK variant is it?
2021-05-16 17:19:54	Reedy	raspberries
2021-05-16 17:20:04	 *	Jinx is already leery of random forum posts
2021-05-16 17:20:09	Reedy	I guess plural fails
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2021-05-16 17:23:21	Habbie	Jinx, is there a reason you care where your pi was made?
2021-05-16 17:23:52	Jinx	there could be other reasons... but: <Jinx> without getting into politics: one might just prefer to purchase from more democratic countries
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2021-05-16 17:24:29	Habbie	ah yes, missed that, sorry
2021-05-16 17:24:51	Jinx	clever: i can't seem to load the URL you posted... and i'm fighting Firefox to stop redirecting me to raspberrypi.org/404
2021-05-16 17:25:05	 *	Jinx sighs.
2021-05-16 17:25:09	Jinx	i'm guessing it's sanitizing README.md to readme.md
2021-05-16 17:25:39	Reedy	it's at https://github.com/raspberrypi/documentation/blob/master/hardware/raspberrypi/revision-codes/README.md too
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2021-05-16 17:25:55	Habbie	Jinx, if your browser is randomly lowercasing things in URLs, it's broken
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2021-05-16 17:26:48	Jinx	hrm--it didn't do it to the github link
2021-05-16 17:28:00	Jinx	out of curiosity: are you able to access clever's link, Habbie?
2021-05-16 17:29:35	Jinx	oh... nevermind... i'm sorry; i didn't retype the "www."--which in this case makes a difference :)
2021-05-16 17:29:56	Jinx	okay--looking at that site: it seems all RPi4s are Sony UK
2021-05-16 17:30:23	Jinx	which is good news as it makes it unnecessary to check with the store
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2021-05-16 17:30:42	Jinx	thanks for the help/links
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2021-05-16 17:32:54	Habbie	Jinx, clever's link works with and without www for me
2021-05-16 17:33:04	Habbie	Jinx, i suspect you made a typo in a different part then
2021-05-16 17:33:05	Tenkawa	yeah they work here too
2021-05-16 17:36:11	Jinx	thank you both for checking
2021-05-16 17:37:27	Jinx	all i can think is that my browser got "stuck" autocompleting the README.md somehow
2021-05-16 17:37:41	 *	Jinx doesn't like browsers--or software in general--that try to be "smarter" than the user
2021-05-16 17:38:14	Habbie	any reason you're not using copy/paste or something that allows you to click links in IRC?
2021-05-16 17:38:31	Jinx	i didn't make a letter typo--but i suppose it's possible i failed to capitalize one letter of the bunch
2021-05-16 17:39:00	Jinx	heh--my IRC computer (to which i have access regularly) is currently not the same as my web-enabled computer :)
2021-05-16 17:39:11	Jinx	hopefully that'll change one day--e.g. when i setup this RPi4 :)
2021-05-16 17:39:25	clever	Jinx: thats why i run my irc client under screeen + ssh, and then remotely access it from other machines
2021-05-16 17:39:35	clever	so my desktop can reboot all the time, and irc doesnt
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2021-05-16 17:41:27	Tenkawa	lets see how this -j36 compile runs lol
2021-05-16 17:43:28	Habbie	'very fast until the kernel kills your browser and email client to make room' :D
2021-05-16 17:43:57	Tenkawa	Habbie: all servers
2021-05-16 17:44:01	Tenkawa	no ui's
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2021-05-16 17:47:59	Tenkawa	had to change an env call.. they weren't distributing to the nodes
2021-05-16 17:48:09	Tenkawa	now they are and wow
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2021-05-16 18:51:56	agrecascino	yo uh, i'm having issues getting audio on a pi 400 with risc os
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2021-05-16 18:52:31	agrecascino	basically, the wiki states to use the hdmi port nearest to the sd card on the 400 but i get no video output on there
2021-05-16 18:52:38	agrecascino	so i was wondering if there's something else i have to do
2021-05-16 18:52:50	clever	agrecascino: when using the firmware graphics stack, the hdmi is only detected at bootup
2021-05-16 18:52:59	clever	so if you move the cable, you must reboot
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2021-05-16 18:53:55	agrecascino	yeah, i do such and when i move from bootloader -> risc os i lose video
2021-05-16 18:54:18	clever	do you know what interface riscos is using to drive it?
2021-05-16 18:54:24	agrecascino	no clue
2021-05-16 18:55:00	agrecascino	like, the hdmi port nearest to power has video but no audio, and the port closest to the sd card is supposed to have audio but instead i have nothing
2021-05-16 18:56:03	clever	the way hdmi audio works, you can only get audio if your also getting a video signal
2021-05-16 18:56:14	clever	its encoded into the vblank area
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2021-05-16 18:56:39	agrecascino	yeah
2021-05-16 18:56:57	clever	did it work on the pi4?
2021-05-16 18:57:03	agrecascino	i don't own a pi 4
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2021-05-16 18:57:07	agrecascino	so i wouldn't know
2021-05-16 18:58:25	clever	agrecascino: if you can find the source for the video and audio drivers, i could help more
2021-05-16 18:58:57	clever	i know the hw side fairly well, but nothing about risc-os
2021-05-16 19:00:36	agrecascino	is bcmvideo apparently
2021-05-16 19:00:36	agrecascino	https://gitlab.riscosopen.org/RiscOS/Sources/Video/HWSupport/BCMVideo
2021-05-16 19:01:18	agrecascino	https://gitlab.riscosopen.org/RiscOS/Sources/HWSupport/Sound/BCMSound
2021-05-16 19:01:21	agrecascino	is bcmsound
2021-05-16 19:01:55	agrecascino	oh this is terrible it's pure arm assembly
2021-05-16 19:01:58	agrecascino	holy shit
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2021-05-16 19:08:07	foo	I have a friend that gave me a raspberry pi. But there is no power button, heh. Is there any tip or trick to this? I have power plugged in with ethernet.
2021-05-16 19:08:20	foo	PEBKAC, I know.
2021-05-16 19:08:40	ShorTie	what model pi ??
2021-05-16 19:09:19	clever	foo: it should just start booting when power is plugged in, did you put in an SD card?
2021-05-16 19:09:30	ShorTie	that most likely will not work
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2021-05-16 19:10:10	foo	clever: thank you. hmm, yes, it has an SD. It's possible the power cord wasn't plugged in, I suppose, I can double check to make sure my answer is foo-proof here.
2021-05-16 19:10:16	foo	Ahem, I mean, fool proof.
2021-05-16 19:10:18	 *	foo laughs at self.
2021-05-16 19:10:33	clever	foo: what image was written to the card?
2021-05-16 19:11:24	clever	agrecascino: a quick glance at s/Module says its using the vchiq to access the firmware audio, which can be either pwm or hdmi
2021-05-16 19:11:33	foo	clever: I believe it was a pihole image with a ubuntu variant. I set this up about 1 year ago and haven't touched it since. It may have not had power, I'll check soon
2021-05-16 19:12:56	clever	agrecascino: line 114-116, you can select which output the audio goes out
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2021-05-16 19:13:57	clever	agrecascino: but i cant really make sense of how that gets configured
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2021-05-16 20:55:23	stormchaser3000	Would there be any issue with me using the Raspberry Pi logo on the thumbnail for a live stream?
2021-05-16 20:55:38	stormchaser3000	I don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I figured this would be a good start
2021-05-16 20:56:00	stormchaser3000	The live stream is me playing Minetest on a Raspberry Pi 400 while streaming from the device itself
2021-05-16 20:56:31	stormchaser3000	The entire point of the stream being to demonstrate what this little computer is capable of
2021-05-16 20:58:54	stormchaser3000	I have already done a test recording with OBS to make sure that OBS wouldn't slow things down too much and to my surprise, it didn't slow things down very much at all
2021-05-16 20:59:15	stormchaser3000	I did, however, limit the recording frame-rate to 20
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2021-05-16 22:30:34	jpmh_	I do not seem to be able to find a way to switch to a different desktop in raspberrypios - am I missing something or did they not offer it?
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2021-05-16 22:44:36	craigevil	https://raspberrypiuser.co.uk/how-to-install-a-new-desktop-environment-using-raspberry-pi-os
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2021-05-16 23:29:24	elvishjerricco	Has anyone here gotten u-boot to find the usb controller on the compute module 4?
2021-05-16 23:29:57	clever	elvishjerricco: hmmm, what drv is your uboot binary from?
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2021-05-16 23:31:12	elvishjerricco	clever: I'm using samueldr's tow-boot, but it's basically the same as ubootRaspberryPi4_64bit
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2021-05-16 23:31:23	elvishjerricco	as far as i know
2021-05-16 23:31:29	clever	what nix-build args will build it?
2021-05-16 23:31:37	elvishjerricco	oh and i updated the source to 21.07-rc2
2021-05-16 23:32:15	elvishjerricco	clever: nix-build ./Tow-Boot -A raspberryPi-aarch64
2021-05-16 23:32:50	elvishjerricco	Oh but I made some changes...
2021-05-16 23:33:03	clever	*looks*
2021-05-16 23:33:38	clever	[clever@amd-nixos:~/apps/rpi/Tow-Boot]$ nix build -f . raspberryPi-aarch64
2021-05-16 23:34:08	elvishjerricco	clever: namely I added `dtoverlay=dwc2,dr_mode=host` to config.txt, I copied the overlays directory from the raspberrypifw, and I've been testing on and off with copying the bcm2711-rpi-cm4.dtb file too.
2021-05-16 23:34:39	c0rnelius	Is there even a boot from usb medium inside the uboot defconfig? if not I'm not seeing how that would be doable.
2021-05-16 23:35:38	clever	elvishjerricco: i'm going to check what drivers are compiled first
2021-05-16 23:35:52	elvishjerricco	c0rnelius: FWIW, I'm using rpi_4_defconfig
2021-05-16 23:36:13	c0rnelius	And I'm asking. Is there an option to boot from usb?
2021-05-16 23:36:36	c0rnelius	Is there a reason for uboot to look there?
2021-05-16 23:36:36	clever	c0rnelius: we are not sure its even finding a usb controller yet
2021-05-16 23:36:57	clever	[1/4/15 built, 3/134/139 copied (2640.5/2641.1 MiB), 640.6 MiB DL] building util-linux-2.36.1 (round 1/2) (configurePhase): checking for crc32 in -lz... yes
2021-05-16 23:36:58	c0rnelius	My guess would be no.
2021-05-16 23:37:08	clever	elvishjerricco: currently building util-linux, working my way towards tow-boot
2021-05-16 23:37:38	elvishjerricco	clever: Oh yea. tow-boot includes a patch for that which has been merged into nixpkgs, but tow-boot hasn't been updated to use that yet
2021-05-16 23:37:51	elvishjerricco	c0rnelius: There is a usb boot option in the menu that tow-boot provides
2021-05-16 23:38:13	c0rnelius	Alright well that makes more sense.
2021-05-16 23:38:41	clever	for the CM4, there are 2 usb controllers available
2021-05-16 23:38:57	clever	either the old dwc2 controller (host or device mode)
2021-05-16 23:39:01	clever	or a new xhci controller (host only, usb2 max)
2021-05-16 23:39:19	clever	both share the same D+/D- pins, and only the closed firmware knows how to switch between the 2
2021-05-16 23:39:39	clever	config.txt selects which one is enabled, and accessing the wrong controller will crash things
2021-05-16 23:41:09	clever	c0rnelius: do you know what uboot will do with the dtb it recieves from the firmware? other then setting that env var
2021-05-16 23:42:03	c0rnelius	You don't set or define the dtb. If you tell it to it will freak out.
2021-05-16 23:42:46	c0rnelius	Uboot just adds an extra step in the boot process really.
2021-05-16 23:43:19	c0rnelius	It's not like other boards where it's a need.
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2021-05-16 23:44:23	clever	one sec
2021-05-16 23:44:27	elvishjerricco	clever: Do you know which driver needs to be built?
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2021-05-16 23:44:44	elvishjerricco	I have the build log for the u-boot.bin right in front of me
2021-05-16 23:44:47	clever	elvishjerricco: depends on which usb controller is chosen, need to double-check the source to see what uboot calls them
2021-05-16 23:44:57	clever	dwc or xhci
2021-05-16 23:45:44	clever	[root@nixos:~]# cat /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-05-16 23:45:44	clever	https://termbin.com/i6j3
2021-05-16 23:45:57	clever	c0rnelius: what if u-boot was reading a config file like this?
2021-05-16 23:46:43	elvishjerricco	clever: Well `dtoverlay=dwc2,dr_mode=host` implies dwc right?
2021-05-16 23:47:23	clever	yep
2021-05-16 23:48:38	elvishjerricco	clever: I do see `CC      drivers/usb/gadget/dwc2_udc_otg.o` in the build log.
2021-05-16 23:49:00	clever	the question then, is how does uboot know when to enable that driver at runtime
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2021-05-16 23:50:03	c0rnelius	clever: In the config.txt you would place: `kernel=u-boot.bin` from there if you were using say extlinux you would do something like this.
2021-05-16 23:50:05	c0rnelius	label kernel
2021-05-16 23:50:07	c0rnelius	    kernel /Image
2021-05-16 23:50:09	c0rnelius	    append earlyprintk initrd=/uInitrd console=serial0,115200 console=tty1 rw root=PARTUUID=${ROOT_PARTUUID} rootfstype=ext4 fsck.repair=yes logo.nologo net.ifnames=0 firmware_class.path=/lib/firmware/updates/brcm rootwait
2021-05-16 23:50:50	clever	c0rnelius: yep, already got a kernel=u-boot-rpi4.bin
2021-05-16 23:51:01	c0rnelius	That would be replacing the cmdline.txt file of course
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2021-05-16 23:51:19	clever	cmdline.txt doesnt exist on this install
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2021-05-16 23:51:53	c0rnelius	yeah, so in my case I use extlinux.
2021-05-16 23:52:10	c0rnelius	But either way the dtb never needs to be defined
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2021-05-16 23:52:16	clever	i think the main difference, is how uboot behaves with you specify an FDTDIR
2021-05-16 23:52:29	clever	and how uboot knows what drivers to internally enable, so it can find the /boot folder
2021-05-16 23:52:57	c0rnelius	Well you can define that dir, but I've never seen a reason to do so.
2021-05-16 23:53:10	c0rnelius	Not with Pis
2021-05-16 23:53:17	clever	nixos is keeping a seperate copy of the dtb files for each generation
2021-05-16 23:53:25	clever	and those dtb files have overlays pre-applied
2021-05-16 23:53:32	c0rnelius	I see
2021-05-16 23:54:58	c0rnelius	I don't use Nix so I'm not sure of the logic there.
2021-05-16 23:55:26	elvishjerricco	Regardless, shouldn't have anything to do with why u-boot doesn't find the usb controller
2021-05-16 23:55:57	clever	yeah, because it has to find the usb controller first, before it can read extlinux.conf
2021-05-16 23:55:59	c0rnelius	Well it does in that ur making uboot the first stage of the boot process
2021-05-16 23:56:14	elvishjerricco	That is the goal :)
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2021-05-16 23:56:34	elvishjerricco	Right now I'm not so much worried about what comes after u-boot
2021-05-16 23:57:25	clever	ok, i have some uboots built...
2021-05-16 23:57:28	derzahl	why is raspbian so much faster on the rpi4 then other more general purpose arm64 OSes?
2021-05-16 23:57:38	derzahl	just the userland compiler optimizations?
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2021-05-16 23:58:17	clever	derzahl: the raspi-os gcc has been tweaked to only ever generate armv6 code, so any products work on a pi1, but that puts the cpu to waste
2021-05-16 23:58:33	clever	derzahl: your likely seeing the effects of drivers and hw accel, not the compiler
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2021-05-16 23:59:01	derzahl	oh, i mean the arm64 version of raspbian
2021-05-16 23:59:09	derzahl	or raspberrypios
2021-05-16 23:59:14	derzahl	i forget what its called now
2021-05-16 23:59:16	clever	ah, that one will be taking much better advantage of it
2021-05-16 23:59:26	c0rnelius	derzahl: Its just debian, that version anyway.
2021-05-16 23:59:28	clever	it could still be hw accel making up the difference
2021-05-16 23:59:30	clever	elvishjerricco: [clever@amd-nixos:~/apps/rpi/Tow-Boot]$ nix-store  -l /nix/store/6n2xkm53y39f4a62s9x2w20hjh9qf0yk-tow-boot-rpi_4_defconfig-2021.04-002-pre-aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu.drv
2021-05-16 23:59:36	clever	this gets me the build logs
2021-05-16 23:59:38	c0rnelius	As far as I know they do nothing special really.
2021-05-16 23:59:46	clever	  CC      drivers/usb/host/xhci.o
2021-05-16 23:59:46	clever	  CC      drivers/usb/host/xhci-mem.o
2021-05-16 23:59:57	clever	  CC      drivers/usb/gadget/dwc2_udc_otg.o
2021-05-17 00:00:08	clever	elvishjerricco: and i can confirm both xhci and dwc2 are being built for the pi4
2021-05-17 00:00:14	elvishjerricco	Sure
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2021-05-17 00:01:20	derzahl	im benchmarking ZFS...so i get there is other variables involved.  but was using the 5.12.y kernel compile times as benchmarks for tweaking zfs options.  on raspberrypiOS64, i was hitting 80-90 minutes per compile with various ZFS tweaks.  multiple times, consistantly
2021-05-17 00:01:52	derzahl	i tried using manjaro arm64 and armtix64, and couldnt get the same compile to finish in under 200 minutes
2021-05-17 00:01:57	clever	elvishjerricco: ah, i see, tow-boot is just u-boot + patches
2021-05-17 00:02:11	elvishjerricco	clever: Yea, and not many in the case of rpi4 I'm pretty sure
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2021-05-17 00:02:23	clever	[clever@amd-nixos:~/apps/rpi/Tow-Boot/build]$ nix-shell /nix/store/6n2xkm53y39f4a62s9x2w20hjh9qf0yk-tow-boot-rpi_4_defconfig-2021.04-002-pre-aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu.drv
2021-05-17 00:02:26	clever	[nix-shell:~/apps/rpi/Tow-Boot/build]$ unpackPhase
2021-05-17 00:02:26	elvishjerricco	And other stuff that makes a nice boot menu
2021-05-17 00:02:31	clever	[nix-shell:~/apps/rpi/Tow-Boot/build]$ cd $sourceRoot/
2021-05-17 00:02:37	clever	[nix-shell:~/apps/rpi/Tow-Boot/build/u-boot-2021.04]$ patchPhase
2021-05-17 00:02:50	clever	elvishjerricco: and now all the patches are applied, so i can read the final source it runs!
2021-05-17 00:02:59	c0rnelius	That sounds like a Arch vs Debian thing to me.
2021-05-17 00:03:05	derzahl	and i was using the same kernel on all 3 OSes, so that takes the kernel out of the equation
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2021-05-17 00:04:38	derzahl	well the Arch based ones werent built specifically for the rpi4
2021-05-17 00:04:41	c0rnelius	I spin my own custom Debian OS for my Pis and I find no real difference between them and what the foundation offers on the arm64 front.
2021-05-17 00:04:47	elvishjerricco	clever: Do you have a cm4?
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2021-05-17 00:05:04	derzahl	so the only thing i can think of is the userland binary compile optimizations
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2021-05-17 00:05:21	clever	elvishjerricco: nope, but the usb controller can still be used on a pi4 or pi400, with a usb-c adapter, like you might use to plug a mouse into a phone
2021-05-17 00:05:37	clever	so i can still test the controller out
2021-05-17 00:06:02	elvishjerricco	got it
2021-05-17 00:06:15	derzahl	c0rnelius: what do you mean by 'spin your own'?  compiling debian from scratch?
2021-05-17 00:06:20	johnjay	c0rnelius: that sounds cool. how do you spin it up? jigdo?
2021-05-17 00:06:20	clever	elvishjerricco: checking the source, xhci_brcm_probe can call xhci_register, that looks like the most likely route for the xhci controller
2021-05-17 00:06:57	clever	elvishjerricco: and that can be triggered by a brcm,generic-xhci in the DT
2021-05-17 00:07:27	c0rnelius	Yes, I build it from scratch and add only whats needed.
2021-05-17 00:07:29	c0rnelius	https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder
2021-05-17 00:07:56	c0rnelius	Can spin up Ubuntu and Devuan as well.
2021-05-17 00:08:27	clever	elvishjerricco: are you able to list the DTB contents from uboot?
2021-05-17 00:08:27	derzahl	oh, nice
2021-05-17 00:08:41	c0rnelius	Although I don't recommend Ubuntu unless ur using it for building the IMG.
2021-05-17 00:08:42	derzahl	i was actually looking if devuan had an rpi version
2021-05-17 00:09:06	derzahl	im more of an arch guy, but id really like to get rid of systemd on my rpi4
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2021-05-17 00:09:08	clever	elvishjerricco: under the sbc node, do you see an xhci node?
2021-05-17 00:09:47	elvishjerricco	clever: How do I do that?
2021-05-17 00:09:51	derzahl	does devuan have an arm64 repo?
2021-05-17 00:09:52	c0rnelius	derzahl: Well there you go. If you go on the forum they use the builder to makde the current imgs they release :)
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2021-05-17 00:10:06	c0rnelius	make*
2021-05-17 00:10:17	clever	elvishjerricco: what does `fdt list /sbc` say?
2021-05-17 00:10:23	c0rnelius	Yeah. Anything debian has they have, its just systemd free.
2021-05-17 00:10:30	clever	elvishjerricco: you may need to `fdt addr ${fdtcontroladdr}` first
2021-05-17 00:10:50	elvishjerricco	U-Boot> fdt list /sbc
2021-05-17 00:10:50	elvishjerricco	libfdt fdt_path_offset() returned FDT_ERR_NOTFOUND
2021-05-17 00:11:15	clever	elvishjerricco: and if you change the fdt addr?
2021-05-17 00:11:22	elvishjerricco	clever: I had done that, yea
2021-05-17 00:11:29	clever	*looks*
2021-05-17 00:11:39	elvishjerricco	clever: did you mean  /sbc or /soc?
2021-05-17 00:11:45	clever	sbc
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2021-05-17 00:11:58	elvishjerricco	yea, FDT_ERR_NOTFOUND
2021-05-17 00:12:02	clever	nope
2021-05-17 00:12:04	clever	its scb!
2021-05-17 00:12:17	clever	my brain auto-corrected it
2021-05-17 00:12:42	elvishjerricco	Yea there's an xhci in there but it says its status is disabled
2021-05-17 00:12:57	clever	what is the compatible on it?
2021-05-17 00:13:06	elvishjerricco	generic-xhci
2021-05-17 00:13:14	clever	i think thats the problem, for that route
2021-05-17 00:13:20	clever	 { .compatible = "brcm,generic-xhci" },
2021-05-17 00:13:28	clever	uboot doesnt recognize that as a xhci device
2021-05-17 00:13:37	elvishjerricco	I have status = "okay"; for fdt list /soc/usb@7e980000
2021-05-17 00:13:57	clever	i havent investigated that route yet, whats the compatible there?
2021-05-17 00:14:06	elvishjerricco	brcm,bcm2835-usb
2021-05-17 00:14:22	clever	drivers/usb/gadget/dwc2_udc_otg.c:      { .compatible = "brcm,bcm2835-usb" },
2021-05-17 00:14:27	clever	that one does appear in the driver
2021-05-17 00:15:16	clever	so it should be running dwc2_udc_otg_probe
2021-05-17 00:15:48	clever	oh, wait
2021-05-17 00:16:03	clever	i think this is the gadget mode driver
2021-05-17 00:16:28	clever	yeah, it is
2021-05-17 00:16:40	clever	drivers/usb/host/dwc2.c:        { .compatible = "brcm,bcm2835-usb" },
2021-05-17 00:16:44	clever	thats the host mode driver
2021-05-17 00:16:57	elvishjerricco	Oh
2021-05-17 00:17:01	elvishjerricco	Well that file isn't in the build log
2021-05-17 00:17:03	derzahl	c0rnelius: Im not seeing any devuan arm64 repos... so do you have to compile all updates yourself?
2021-05-17 00:17:16	clever	elvishjerricco: that would explain that
2021-05-17 00:17:34	elvishjerricco	clever: So rpi_4_defconfig isn't enabling that driver?
2021-05-17 00:17:36	elvishjerricco	Why?
2021-05-17 00:17:39	clever	elvishjerricco: the dwc2 controller has a very high cpu overhead, so fixing xhci may be better
2021-05-17 00:18:05	clever	only CONFIG_USB_GADGET_DWC2_OTG=y is in the defconfig
2021-05-17 00:18:17	clever	because dwc host mode doesnt make sense, the xhci is far better at host mode
2021-05-17 00:18:17	c0rnelius	derzahl: What do you mean? Of course they have arm64 repos.
2021-05-17 00:18:29	clever	and the uboot devs arent letting you make bad choices
2021-05-17 00:18:52	elvishjerricco	clever: Well dwc is what raspberrypi.org tell you to use.
2021-05-17 00:18:56	derzahl	oh, ok...not finding anything
2021-05-17 00:19:09	elvishjerricco	Are you sure the xhci controller is in the cm4?
2021-05-17 00:19:17	c0rnelius	As for kernels, yes. Currently you would either need to build new ones ur self or use the ones I build.
2021-05-17 00:19:19	clever	elvishjerricco: yes
2021-05-17 00:19:25	elvishjerricco	Oh yea
2021-05-17 00:19:30	elvishjerricco	we found that in fdt earlier
2021-05-17 00:19:42	elvishjerricco	So how do I tell it to use that?
2021-05-17 00:19:49	derzahl	all im seeing is i386 and amd64
2021-05-17 00:20:01	clever	elvishjerricco: to start with, remove the dwc overlay, and add otg_mode=1 to config.txt, and then try the `fdt list /sbc` again, does the status change?
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2021-05-17 00:20:46	c0rnelius	derzahl: Trust me its there :) https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder/releases/tag/images
2021-05-17 00:21:05	c0rnelius	Those would not be available other wise. You think I'm gonna compile all that?
2021-05-17 00:21:26	c0rnelius	Mostly Devuan just mirrors Debian and have a few select packages they add into the mix.
2021-05-17 00:21:47	elvishjerricco	clever: With `fdt list /scb/xhci` I get `compatible = "generic-xhci";` and `status = "okay";`
2021-05-17 00:21:59	clever	elvishjerricco: one second
2021-05-17 00:22:06	elvishjerricco	but usb start still says no working controllers found
2021-05-17 00:22:28	clever	because the compatible is wrong
2021-05-17 00:22:33	elvishjerricco	ah
2021-05-17 00:22:57	clever	one sec
2021-05-17 00:22:58	c0rnelius	derzahl: http://dev1galaxy.org/viewforum.php?id=24
2021-05-17 00:23:51	derzahl	cool, thanks!
2021-05-17 00:23:58	c0rnelius	yw
2021-05-17 00:25:21	clever	elvishjerricco: try using this branch: https://github.com/cleverca22/Tow-Boot/tree/xhci-test
2021-05-17 00:30:10	elvishjerricco	clever: Ok, still no working controllers found
2021-05-17 00:30:34	clever	it already built? :O
2021-05-17 00:30:49	elvishjerricco	Doesn't take long to build
2021-05-17 00:30:50	clever	i guess mine took twice as long, `--option repeat 1` is my default
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2021-05-17 00:31:11	clever	can you pastebin the whole serial logs?
2021-05-17 00:31:38	elvishjerricco	clever: As in just what happens when I boot it up without entering the menu?
2021-05-17 00:31:46	clever	yeah
2021-05-17 00:31:58	elvishjerricco	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/h0rurkHa/
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2021-05-17 00:33:12	clever	elvishjerricco: if you open up the uboot shell, and run...
2021-05-17 00:33:20	clever	fdt addr ${fdtcontroladdr}
2021-05-17 00:33:22	clever	usb start
2021-05-17 00:33:24	clever	does anything change?
2021-05-17 00:33:49	elvishjerricco	no
2021-05-17 00:34:35	clever	let me find a spare SD card, so i can run my pi400 on this...
2021-05-17 00:35:37	derzahl	c0rnelius: know if anyone has used the rpi-img-builder with a cm4?
2021-05-17 00:35:48	derzahl	i notice it only says the pi4b is supported
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2021-05-17 00:37:42	clever	[root@system76:/nix/store/gdw36kj9z7gyk6rwpakkyl3nxbyfs3fr-tow-boot-raspberryPi-aarch64-2021.04-002-pre]# cat disk-image.img > /dev/mmcblk0
2021-05-17 00:39:59	clever	[root@system76:~]# minicom -D /dev/ttyACM0 -b 115200 -o
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2021-05-17 00:42:37	elvishjerricco	clever: You may need to add `cp -v bcm2711-rpi-400.dtb "$target/"` to the `populateCommands`
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2021-05-17 00:44:06	c0rnelius	derzahl: I don't know for sure anyone has, but my kernels provide the dtb for it.
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2021-05-17 00:45:20	c0rnelius	I don't own one so I can't test. Someone asked my why I don't support the 2 officially and I gave them the same answer so they mailed me one and I made sure everything was on the up and up. But short of that you would need to test and get back tome.
2021-05-17 00:45:25	c0rnelius	to me*
2021-05-17 00:48:12	c0rnelius	derzahl: I see no reason why it would not work? I know the 400 does and the kernels also provide the dtb for that.
2021-05-17 00:49:04	c0rnelius	and I also only know this because someone tested it. :)
2021-05-17 00:50:39	c0rnelius	derzahl: Eash packaging patch pulls in what each SoC has available - https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder/blob/master/patches/cc/rpi4b-packaging.patch#L33
2021-05-17 00:51:12	c0rnelius	This varies slightly from 32bit to 64bit builds.
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2021-05-17 00:54:24	c0rnelius	I was looking at the cm4 or 400 next, but I really wanna get an Odroid N2+. So I keep waiting for that to come back in stock.
2021-05-17 00:54:51	c0rnelius	As the pricing isn't much different and 6 cores is better than 4
2021-05-17 00:59:45	derzahl	c0rnelius, this builder is pretty rad so far.  trying the docker image
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2021-05-17 01:00:37	derzahl	ive always found the dtb but for some reason ive had strange issues with booting alot of 3rd party distros on it
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2021-05-17 01:02:01	derzahl	no devuan_chimaera, awhh
2021-05-17 01:02:13	c0rnelius	derzahl: unstable
2021-05-17 01:02:21	c0rnelius	The name isn't defined
2021-05-17 01:02:50	c0rnelius	The debootstrap they use is a bit silly
2021-05-17 01:03:13	derzahl	oh, nice
2021-05-17 01:03:43	c0rnelius	As for the docker work, ptr worked on all that. He did a good job.
2021-05-17 01:03:51	derzahl	was just about to do beowulf
2021-05-17 01:03:51	craigevil	who takes care of the rpi-update app?
2021-05-17 01:04:12	craigevil	it has weird errors
2021-05-17 01:04:14	craigevil	/usr/bin/rpi-update: line 593: warning: command substitution: ignored null byte in input
2021-05-17 01:04:17	craigevil	/usr/bin/rpi-update: eval: line 530: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"'
2021-05-17 01:04:20	craigevil	/usr/bin/rpi-update: eval: line 531: syntax error: unexpected end of file
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2021-05-17 01:08:48	craigevil	anyway reboot time, brb
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2021-05-17 01:37:09	clever	c0rnelius: ok, so the root problem, how does an of_match in U_BOOT_DRIVER(usb_dwc2) actually match against something, which DTB is it checking?
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2021-05-17 03:19:20	flav0r	im finally making some progress with this compute module IO board im making
2021-05-17 03:19:21	flav0r	!
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2021-05-17 05:09:48	patstoms	i am using rc522 with mifare cards but all modules i can find feels big with pico or pi zero
2021-05-17 05:10:11	patstoms	maybe there are some smaller modules or solutions to make rfid smaller?
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2021-05-17 07:34:26	markand	I'm trying to understand "who" uses dtparam's, I mean you can pass parameters to adjust PoE HAT's fan speed/threshold but unless you load rpi-poe-fan it's never loaded
2021-05-17 07:34:52	markand	so why those params are in the raspberry boot configuration rather as modprobe configuration variables?
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2021-05-17 07:39:07	artok	markand: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/devicetree/usage-model.html
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2021-05-17 07:58:31	markand	okay so that explain why FreeBSD does not turn on the PoE HAT
2021-05-17 07:58:35	markand	it lacks the driver for control
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2021-05-17 08:33:35	c0rnelius	clever: Well I would think its looking for the bcm2711-rpi-cm4.dtb, but I also had a thought this morning. Does the eeprom support this for the cm4? Because in my testing usb booting works using mainline uboot and linux on the pi4.
2021-05-17 08:34:21	c0rnelius	So if thats the case it wouldn't be a u-boot problem, but more eeprom related.
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2021-05-17 08:39:58	c0rnelius	I don't own the board so I can't test. So with other boards we would flash uboot and if wanted to before compiling could simply change the boot order. Switch mmc1 and mmc0 around for example telling it to check sd before mmc. But I don't think this really matters on the pi. Since its not flashed.
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2021-05-17 09:49:52	markand	hey there
2021-05-17 09:50:45	markand	we have designed minimal PCB with some buttons on GPIO, I need to change bias on GPIO17 to get it work so I've used gpioset -B disable $(gpiofind GPIO17)=0
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2021-05-17 09:51:38	markand	what's the option to put in config.txt so that it's persisten? gpio=17=ip,??
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2021-05-17 10:47:22	artok	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt/gpio.md
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2021-05-17 10:53:43	solrize	hi is the 2gb pi 4 in short supply these days?  someone was complaining earlier (not here)
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2021-05-17 11:02:33	DrJ	solrize: doesn't appear to be on amazon (where I buy them)
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2021-05-17 11:02:55	DrJ	although, the price of the 2gb and 4gb appears to be basically equal, so not sure why you would go for a 2gb
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2021-05-17 11:30:07	solrize	2gb=$35 4gb=$55 i thought
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2021-05-17 11:31:11	c0rnelius	thats the price here
2021-05-17 11:31:20	solrize	hmm pishop.us has them, wonder how they do that, they also have picos again
2021-05-17 11:31:27	solrize	adafruit and sparkfun are out of both
2021-05-17 11:31:34	c0rnelius	and yeah I've noticed the 2GBs have been sold out recently in some locations.
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2021-05-17 11:33:35	solrize	wow pishop has no qty limit for pi zero wh.  but they are out of stock
2021-05-17 11:33:49	c0rnelius	Looks like canakit still has them available
2021-05-17 11:34:41	c0rnelius	why waste ur money? takes like a minute to solder the headers on.
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2021-05-17 11:35:22	solrize	zero w is usually 1 per customer
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2021-05-17 11:38:16	c0rnelius	you can find them on ebay and the more you buy the cheaper they are.
2021-05-17 11:38:53	solrize	hmm interesting
2021-05-17 11:39:26	solrize	i thought they were limited qty because at $10 they are semi-subsidized.  so i figure the WH at $14 turns a small profit and that's why they don't limit it
2021-05-17 11:40:05	c0rnelius	could be right.
2021-05-17 11:42:37	c0rnelius	probs why on canakit they limit you to one per customer if you buy the board, but if you buy the kit you can get as many as you want.
2021-05-17 11:43:59	solrize	yeah similar
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2021-05-17 11:47:51	c0rnelius	here a racket - https://www.ebay.com/itm/114773309557?epid=600781302&hash=item1ab905b875:g:auoAAOSwzwxf~Uhc
2021-05-17 11:48:33	Tenkawa	wow... we are out locally of the 4 except for: https://www.microcenter.com/product/622539/raspberry-pi-4-model-b-8gb-ddr4
2021-05-17 11:48:37	Tenkawa	the 8gb model
2021-05-17 11:48:40	c0rnelius	soldering on External WiFi Antenna Connectors and reselling them.
2021-05-17 11:49:09	Tenkawa	all the other models board only are out of stock in town
2021-05-17 11:49:33	Tenkawa	20 boards currently in stock
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2021-05-17 12:12:06	ball	What's a fun game for a six-year-old?
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2021-05-17 12:14:49	ToHellWithGA	catch
2021-05-17 12:14:56	ToHellWithGA	make believe
2021-05-17 12:15:04	ToHellWithGA	tag
2021-05-17 12:15:08	ToHellWithGA	hide and seek
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2021-05-17 12:33:35	artok	football
2021-05-17 12:36:56	ToHellWithGA	nice. a suggestion and a highlight in the same message
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2021-05-17 12:37:19	Tenkawa	the goalkeeper goal?
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2021-05-17 12:38:09	Tenkawa	Any of you see that footage yet?
2021-05-17 12:38:21	Tenkawa	that was incredible
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2021-05-17 12:39:36	Tenkawa	then again a player originally from my local team here made news recently in the Premier league too being the first USA player to be on a championship team.
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2021-05-17 12:47:08	artok	which goalkeeper goal?
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2021-05-17 12:48:06	artok	seen many of those last minute goalkeeper goals when last freekick is given and goalie is also on the box
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2021-05-17 12:54:01	Tenkawa	artok: https://digg.com/video/alisson-goal-vs-west-brom
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2021-05-17 12:58:00	artok	oh last night
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2021-05-17 12:58:09	artok	..video not available for me =D
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2021-05-17 12:59:33	Tenkawa	look up alisson details scoring goal story though.. its amazing
2021-05-17 12:59:52	artok	l'pool own youtube channel has hilights
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2021-05-17 13:02:19	artok	nicely
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2021-05-17 13:03:01	Tenkawa	indeed
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2021-05-17 13:55:40	GrandPa-G	I have been asked to look for a replacement for 7" touchscreen (raspberry) that can withstand more mositure, temp ranges. I will be used in a food storage for things like milk.
2021-05-17 13:57:04	Dan39	i think you should just not use a raspberrypi for this haha
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2021-05-17 13:57:35	Dan39	or store the pi separate and then use a tablet, like a galaxy, to access it remotely? like can you make a simple webui?
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2021-05-17 14:25:19	derzahl	c0rnelius, so i devuan unstable failed and then beowulf failed as well.  even after make purge-all. so i deleted the container and redeployed
2021-05-17 14:25:29	derzahl	got beowulf to build completely
2021-05-17 14:25:34	derzahl	trying unstable again now
2021-05-17 14:25:44	Snuupy	https://github.com/morrownr/USB-WiFi this repo is so nice
2021-05-17 14:26:18	PonyBlocks	Hey there
2021-05-17 14:27:37	derzahl	c0rnelius: no hidden option for f2fs root huh? not sure if that would be helpful on sd cards but maybe on emmc?
2021-05-17 14:28:49	derzahl	also, anyone know of a good source for rpi4(cm4) patches I might want to add to the kernel build process?
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2021-05-17 14:29:31	PonyBlocks	i might have briked my rpi, after i tried to install the rasberry pi 3.5"pcd on the pi, had some errors and would not boot up from ssd again, i tried to remove the "lcd 3.5" stuff" from boot config and now im kinda stuck at boot at 229.913871 random: crng int done. try to out wait it and see who breaks first my will to wait or rpi twill to boot
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2021-05-17 14:31:58	PonyBlocks	http://www.lcdwiki.com/3.5inch_RPi_Display this i tried to install. i have removed the lcd and removed the extra it adds to the boot config.txt
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2021-05-17 14:35:16	PonyBlocks	so is it anyway i can "fix" or reinstall rpi OS without losing the files on disk?
2021-05-17 14:37:04	artok	ah, that beautiful thing of backups...
2021-05-17 14:38:27	PonyBlocks	artok tell me about it lol
2021-05-17 14:38:27	PonyBlocks	xD
2021-05-17 14:38:45	PonyBlocks	was thinking about it and nah its fine lol^^
2021-05-17 14:39:27	PonyBlocks	i can probably just do a live distro and grab the most important parts etc.
2021-05-17 14:39:59	clever	PonyBlocks: mount the image, copy the important files out, then re-image it
2021-05-17 14:41:13	PonyBlocks	this is probably why its not recommended to have boot, etc, home folder on same partition also lol
2021-05-17 14:41:14	PonyBlocks	xD
2021-05-17 14:41:29	PonyBlocks	just "recomended" for beginners
2021-05-17 14:41:29	PonyBlocks	xD
2021-05-17 14:42:27	artok	sd card that has ssd and python, minimal things, and then ansible script(s) that configures system and installs what ever is needed
2021-05-17 14:44:04	c0rnelius	derzahl: I didn't make docker image. My suggestion would be to once inside the image run make update and then enter the cd rpi* and if on an x86 box run apt update && apt upgrade -y && make ccompile to make sure all depends are on the docker img.
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2021-05-17 14:44:50	c0rnelius	to build a quick img after that you can run: make config && make 2711 && make rootfs && make image
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2021-05-17 14:45:09	c0rnelius	that will skip kernel comps and just produce and a quick img.
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2021-05-17 15:03:14	derzahl	c0rnelius, ok let me try that.  unstable failed again but i didnt apt upgrade
2021-05-17 15:04:04	derzahl	im guessing its more a problem with the unstability of "unstable"
2021-05-17 15:04:20	derzahl	but it does tell me check a log file i cant find when the build fails
2021-05-17 15:04:32	derzahl	"//dockerbuild/dockerbuild.log" or something
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2021-05-17 15:06:54	derzahl	apt-get full-upgrade just updated linux-libc-dev, but well see
2021-05-17 15:07:05	derzahl	maybe i can find the log file when/if it fails this time
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2021-05-17 15:14:18	c0rnelius	Also any time a image build fails you need to run make cleanup
2021-05-17 15:14:34	c0rnelius	Because it creates loops.
2021-05-17 15:14:47	c0rnelius	The README explain this.
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2021-05-17 15:25:05	derzahl	yes, i do run make cleanup.  Even tried purge-all additionally.  still had issues and had to just redeploy the container
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2021-05-17 16:03:58	derzahl	c0rnelius, so failed again... heres that output
2021-05-17 16:04:00	derzahl	+ chroot sysroot /debootstrap/debootstrap --second-stage
2021-05-17 16:04:00	derzahl	W: Failure trying to run:  /sbin/ldconfig
2021-05-17 16:04:00	derzahl	W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details
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2021-05-17 16:04:53	derzahl	nevermind, i found it
2021-05-17 16:05:28	derzahl	"/build/rpi-img-builder/sysroot//var/cache/apt/archives/partial/zlib1g_1%3a1.2.11.dfsg-2_arm64.deb" [1]
2021-05-17 16:05:28	derzahl	Segmentation fault (core dumped)
2021-05-17 16:05:31	derzahl	nice...
2021-05-17 16:05:50	derzahl	think ill just mess with beowulf for now:)
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2021-05-17 16:07:25	Tenkawa	derzahl: signal 11 are usually indications of hardware problems
2021-05-17 16:07:52	Tenkawa	or potential corrupted data
2021-05-17 16:07:53	derzahl	happened on that exact same package 3 times tho
2021-05-17 16:07:59	Tenkawa	yes exactly
2021-05-17 16:08:08	Tenkawa	thats my point
2021-05-17 16:08:08	derzahl	and i redownloaded the source all 3 times
2021-05-17 16:08:26	Tenkawa	you are triggering the same flaw in your hardware
2021-05-17 16:08:34	derzahl	hmm
2021-05-17 16:08:52	derzahl	well im running a crosscompiler for arm in qemu
2021-05-17 16:09:00	derzahl	so id be surprised
2021-05-17 16:09:12	derzahl	but i could try it on a different system to be safe
2021-05-17 16:09:17	Tenkawa	thats going to give you very bad fesults
2021-05-17 16:09:20	Tenkawa	er results
2021-05-17 16:09:34	derzahl	why?
2021-05-17 16:09:45	derzahl	i thought thats how most arm distros were built
2021-05-17 16:10:16	Sharwil	Segmentation fault fault occurs when a program intends to access memory outside it's allocated boundaries.
2021-05-17 16:10:20	derzahl	i have an fairly powerful arm laptop i can compile on
2021-05-17 16:10:35	derzahl	but will still need to use the docker image
2021-05-17 16:11:35	Tenkawa	Sharwil: well.. that did quantify a virtual out of bounds on the hardware
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2021-05-17 16:12:49	Tenkawa	derzahl: I'm compiling my arm builds against 24 64 bit pi4 cpus
2021-05-17 16:13:03	Tenkawa	no virtual here
2021-05-17 16:13:58	Tenkawa	gotta love distcc +  ccache :)
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2021-05-17 16:16:19	Tenkawa	now if I could just find where my ethernet cables disappeared off to lol
2021-05-17 16:17:09	Sharwil	I have most commonly found segmentation faults by buffers growing too big on software, an stray loop involving read or writes to memory progressively, until it finds a sector of memory it hasn't permissions to.
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2021-05-17 16:21:21	Tenkawa	Sharwil: good point... usually seg 6 will start showing hardware issues (if my poor memory serves correct.. and it has started to fail me)
2021-05-17 16:21:39	Tenkawa	er sig
2021-05-17 16:22:42	Tenkawa	I've been out of the day to day too long now (been out almost 8 years noow)
2021-05-17 16:22:50	Tenkawa	er now
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2021-05-17 16:42:12	derzahl	Tenkawa: nice! that sounds awesome
2021-05-17 16:42:27	derzahl	would love to get a rpi kubernetes cluster set up someday
2021-05-17 16:43:06	derzahl	but the main reason i jumped into rpi's recently was to build ultra low power NAS and other infra for my RV, that I will soon be living in
2021-05-17 16:43:38	derzahl	wanna run it all off of direct DC, no double inverter shit
2021-05-17 16:44:46	Tenkawa	just make sure you get consistent power.. these things are super sensitive about power
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2021-05-17 16:54:15	derzahl	should be
2021-05-17 16:54:29	derzahl	but i thought it could take anything from like 5-12v?
2021-05-17 16:54:39	Tenkawa	no
2021-05-17 16:54:54	Tenkawa	it has very strict requirements
2021-05-17 16:55:13	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/README.md
2021-05-17 16:55:24	Tenkawa	5.1v
2021-05-17 16:56:12	Tenkawa	3A recommended power supply current
2021-05-17 16:56:59	Tenkawa	(the official has 2.5A which is good for most needs but if you are going to hook up devices to it.. you'll need at least 3A
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2021-05-17 17:09:27	derzahl	oh
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2021-05-17 17:09:38	derzahl	i know it obviously had am amperage req
2021-05-17 17:09:54	derzahl	but i thought it could handle fluctuating voltage
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2021-05-17 17:12:13	derzahl	c0rnelius, so beowulf is built and flashed. i dont see uboot package installed tho
2021-05-17 17:12:15	Tenkawa	nope
2021-05-17 17:12:30	derzahl	ithought thats what raspberrypi used?  no?
2021-05-17 17:12:45	derzahl	just trying to make sure everything is in place before trying to boot it
2021-05-17 17:13:12	derzahl	was configed to boot kernel8.img instead of the kernel i compiled for it so switched that
2021-05-17 17:13:44	derzahl	but everything else looks good.  even set the cmdline.txt and fstab to the proper UUIDs which is awesome
2021-05-17 17:17:34	GrandPa-G	Has anyone used a MCP3425 adc ? I am getting a value up to about 2v (3.3 applied) through a pot. Can't get it to go anymore. Using PyPi library
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2021-05-17 17:42:31	elvishjerricco	So I'm playing around with booting u-boot on a compute module 4, and decided it'd be easier to iterate on if I was netbooting. The problem is that it won't boot u-boot.bin when I try to netboot. It seems to successfully access config.txt and start4.elf, but it never even tries to access u-boot.bin, despite config.txt having kernel=u-boot.bin
2021-05-17 17:42:47	elvishjerricco	Putting the exact same contents on an sd card will successfully start up u-boot
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2021-05-17 17:48:29	derzahl	whats the benefit of uboot?
2021-05-17 17:48:43	derzahl	i thought uboot was just 'what it used' but i guess im mistaken
2021-05-17 17:49:29	elvishjerricco	derzahl: Mainly I like the idea of the pi just having a standard efi boot chain, and u-boot provides that.
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2021-05-17 17:59:07	c0rnelius	derzahl: Sorry I had company over. If ur using the rpi-img-builder it doesn't use u-boot. As for devuan and debootstrap and unstable/testing vs beowulf I believe the mirrors are based in Germany. So depending on ur location this could create problems, as it sometimes does for me when creating images.
2021-05-17 18:01:36	c0rnelius	Although using u-boot would not create any real problems, the reason I don't do so is because each build would need to be built specific for each board "from what I can tell" and in the case of not using it the builder can support more boards on one kernel by booting it the foundation way.
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2021-05-17 18:03:27	c0rnelius	u-boot just adds a extra stage and really serves no purpose... unless you want grub or something silly like this?
2021-05-17 18:05:16	elvishjerricco	u-boot is pretty important for nixos because we need to be able to select a kernel from among a few choices at boot time
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2021-05-17 18:07:07	elvishjerricco	But I do think efi is valuable. It's really annoying that every arm sbc has a different boot chain
2021-05-17 18:07:07	c0rnelius	elvishjerricco: For the pi?
2021-05-17 18:07:12	elvishjerricco	Yea
2021-05-17 18:07:32	c0rnelius	Yeah but its not needed for the Pi.
2021-05-17 18:07:53	c0rnelius	Its creating an extra stage for nothing really.
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2021-05-17 18:08:13	c0rnelius	Its not be flashed to the image
2021-05-17 18:08:18	elvishjerricco	Except that it lets me choose a kernel at boot time...
2021-05-17 18:08:33	c0rnelius	its just acting as an extra medium to get to another place that never really had to hAppen
2021-05-17 18:08:43	elvishjerricco	Like, boot loaders that you actually interact with are legitimately useful
2021-05-17 18:08:56	c0rnelius	Not if i boot headless
2021-05-17 18:09:05	elvishjerricco	Well that's your use case
2021-05-17 18:09:17	c0rnelius	Thats most peoples use case
2021-05-17 18:09:55	elvishjerricco	I'm just saying, don't tell me it doesn't serve a purpose when I've given you the two purposes it serves for my needs
2021-05-17 18:10:46	elvishjerricco	Anyway, I would like to figure out why I can't get u-boot booted on this thing over the network
2021-05-17 18:11:11	c0rnelius	I never said it doesn't serve a purpose, just that for a general purpose build its not something I would recommend. As it would be locking you into something that isn't needed. Its niche.
2021-05-17 18:11:46	c0rnelius	I have another builder that uses mainline u-boot and linux and its doable... But is that for everyone? of course not.
2021-05-17 18:11:55	c0rnelius	Its fun to play around with, sure.
2021-05-17 18:11:57	elvishjerricco	It's very much needed for NixOS because one of NixOS's stand out features is the ability to rollback the OS from the boot loader.
2021-05-17 18:12:40	c0rnelius	Sounds very hands on
2021-05-17 18:12:57	elvishjerricco	It's literally just a different boot entry config
2021-05-17 18:13:23	c0rnelius	extlinux?
2021-05-17 18:13:26	clever	c0rnelius: yep
2021-05-17 18:13:38	clever	it has even saved my pi4 from being bricked yesterday
2021-05-17 18:13:39	c0rnelius	then yes... its just a new entry
2021-05-17 18:13:46	clever	the new build was missing some dtb files
2021-05-17 18:13:59	clever	so uboot just automatically tried every entry in order, until one found all the files
2021-05-17 18:15:06	c0rnelius	Well thats extlinux :)
2021-05-17 18:15:29	clever	the extlinux config parsing, within uboot
2021-05-17 18:15:51	Tenkawa	time for me to chime in... clever: what could you be doing that could possibly "brick" the eeprom from a recovery spi flash?
2021-05-17 18:16:08	c0rnelius	I can do the same thing. Create a bunch of kernel a fdt locations and place them where I want and then define them in the config. Nothing magic about this.
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2021-05-17 18:17:18	c0rnelius	This can be done on rockchip, amlogic, allwinner... etc.
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2021-05-17 18:17:36	ramkamZ	greets
2021-05-17 18:17:46	ramkamZ	anyone ever used this? https://github.com/ekbanasolutions/numpy-using-socket/blob/master/npsocket/npsocket.py
2021-05-17 18:18:07	clever	Tenkawa: there are several OTP settings i could burn in the SoC itself, that would prevent it from ever booting again
2021-05-17 18:18:21	clever	Tenkawa: that applies to every model
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2021-05-17 18:18:38	Tenkawa	clever: yes and that was "intentional" not accidental
2021-05-17 18:18:38	elvishjerricco	Merits of uboot aside, I've been trying to get uboot working on the cm4, so I thought I'd switch to netbooting it so I could iterate faster. But when using the exact same contents on an sd card and the tftp server, the sd card starts uboot and the netboot doesn't.
2021-05-17 18:19:04	ramkamZ	seems that the receive_array() kinda hangs forever at line 71 ??
2021-05-17 18:19:12	clever	Tenkawa: i dont think there is any way to accidentally brick the spi flash, the worst you can do is interrupt it mid-flashing
2021-05-17 18:19:23	clever	Tenkawa: but recovery.bin will happily finish the flashing on the next powerup
2021-05-17 18:19:45	derzahl	c0rnelius, thanks for the clarification on uboot.  so wtf is systemctl doing on devuan??
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2021-05-17 18:20:00	elvishjerricco	Anyone have any idea why the NetBoot wouldn't work?
2021-05-17 18:20:00	derzahl	got this thing booted but for some reason its not getting on the network
2021-05-17 18:20:09	Tenkawa	thats my point.. there's no way that unit is going to "brick" just from a normal software flashing on its own
2021-05-17 18:20:52	Tenkawa	thats what I want to stress to elvishjerricco and everyone that feels u-boot is so much more needed
2021-05-17 18:21:18	clever	Tenkawa: in this case, uboot is more about lower levels of bricking, like a bad linux kernel build
2021-05-17 18:21:30	clever	the board still boots, but not all the way to a working linux prompt
2021-05-17 18:21:52	derzahl	hm, looks like its just a 'systemd' wrapper for sysv commands?  thats actually kind cool.  since i work on systemd based systems all day
2021-05-17 18:22:08	elvishjerricco	And again, the merits of uboot have nothing to do with whether or not it should boot over the network...
2021-05-17 18:22:11	Tenkawa	clever: even then those wont break the board... annoy me and make my software not work yes... make the hardware stop functioning.. no
2021-05-17 18:22:22	clever	exactly
2021-05-17 18:22:32	Tenkawa	elvishjerricco: it doesn't boot over the network currently on the pi 4
2021-05-17 18:22:46	Tenkawa	on u-boot
2021-05-17 18:22:47	clever	Tenkawa: the firmware is not even loading the uboot binary specified with kernel=
2021-05-17 18:22:56	elvishjerricco	^
2021-05-17 18:22:59	clever	Tenkawa: the firmware is blindly loading kernel.img instead
2021-05-17 18:23:07	Tenkawa	yep
2021-05-17 18:23:10	elvishjerricco	Yea like the firmware won't even try to read my uboot binary
2021-05-17 18:23:11	Tenkawa	known issye
2021-05-17 18:23:13	Tenkawa	er issue
2021-05-17 18:23:19	clever	does it have a ticket?
2021-05-17 18:23:27	Tenkawa	I think so
2021-05-17 18:23:30	Tenkawa	let me look
2021-05-17 18:24:03	Tenkawa	a few of us were discussing this last week before my power saga in my house
2021-05-17 18:24:29	derzahl	nevermind.  im an idiot.  i was still on my armtix c630, i thought i had chrooted into my devuan rpi but i guess not.  so no systemctl wrapper there.  guess thats all armtix, lol
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2021-05-17 18:26:55	c0rnelius	And by the way, you can just define the kernel you wanna boot along with the overlays and dtb location(s) without uboot using the config.txt file.
2021-05-17 18:27:36	clever	c0rnelius: but nixos wants to define 10 different kernels, and have a menu to select between them
2021-05-17 18:27:52	clever	c0rnelius: and also define that config using the same format as every other SBC
2021-05-17 18:27:58	c0rnelius	So grub?
2021-05-17 18:28:15	clever	tow-boot can present a menu, and is uboot based
2021-05-17 18:28:24	c0rnelius	kool
2021-05-17 18:28:28	Tenkawa	ok looks like the fix is to try to net load
2021-05-17 18:28:28	c0rnelius	sounds neat-o
2021-05-17 18:28:29	Tenkawa	RPI firmware loads u-boot, which loads kernel/initramfs
2021-05-17 18:28:33	derzahl	so its been awhile since i used devuan.  how am i supposed to enable services?  no chkconfig?  just make the symlinks from /etc/init.d myself?
2021-05-17 18:28:45	derzahl	sorry...too used to openrc and systemd
2021-05-17 18:28:52	elvishjerricco	Tenkawa: Did you find a ticket?
2021-05-17 18:28:54	Tenkawa	thats the current workaround.. couldn
2021-05-17 18:29:04	Tenkawa	t find the official ticket/bug
2021-05-17 18:29:32	Tenkawa	but I looked up the list of distro handlers
2021-05-17 18:29:36	elvishjerricco	But you're suggesting putting uboot on local storage and letting uboot handle booting a kernel off the network?
2021-05-17 18:30:01	clever	Tenkawa: the whole point of putting uboot on the network, was to allow iterating uboot builds faster
2021-05-17 18:30:11	clever	Tenkawa: so you could compile a new uboot, and test it immediately
2021-05-17 18:30:28	derzahl	update-rc.d ahhah finally found it
2021-05-17 18:30:40	Tenkawa	cant the pi nfsboot kernel/initram
2021-05-17 18:30:56	elvishjerricco	Probably? Again, not the point
2021-05-17 18:31:08	c0rnelius	derzahl: thats it!
2021-05-17 18:31:09	elvishjerricco	I'm just tryin to get uboot working
2021-05-17 18:31:28	c0rnelius	elvishjerricco: For the cm4 ?
2021-05-17 18:31:29	elvishjerricco	With the ability to iterate on the uboot build quickly
2021-05-17 18:31:31	elvishjerricco	Yea
2021-05-17 18:31:38	derzahl	c0rnelius, I would think networking would be set to start already....seems to be
2021-05-17 18:31:42	Tenkawa	it was saying to use tftp to rarp u-boot too
2021-05-17 18:32:04	Tenkawa	oh no eeprom
2021-05-17 18:32:18	elvishjerricco	Tenkawa: Well that's the part that doesn't seem to work for me. If uboot is on tftp then it won't be started
2021-05-17 18:32:29	c0rnelius	derzahl: Yes it should auto start. https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder#debian--devuan
2021-05-17 18:32:34	clever	the firmware doesnt even fetch the uboot binary
2021-05-17 18:32:40	Tenkawa	if you name it those names it will
2021-05-17 18:32:43	clever	elvishjerricco: what happened, if you renamed uboot to kernel8.img?
2021-05-17 18:33:03	c0rnelius	there is a wifi cred file you can use, if not used it will just bypass it and use dhcp.
2021-05-17 18:33:05	elvishjerricco	clever: It read a bunch of other files from the server and then did nothing
2021-05-17 18:33:12	Tenkawa	thats the whole kicker.. you have to rename it
2021-05-17 18:33:15	clever	elvishjerricco: which other files?
2021-05-17 18:33:27	c0rnelius	After that if you didn't manually set anything you can use the hostname to ssh in.
2021-05-17 18:33:28	elvishjerricco	Let me go back to my desk and check
2021-05-17 18:34:14	derzahl	c0rnelius: thanks, missed that.  im just trying to get the wired port to come up tho right now
2021-05-17 18:34:42	c0rnelius	sudo ifdown eth0 && sudo ifup eth0
2021-05-17 18:34:59	derzahl	i dont have a /boot/rename_to_credentials.txt either
2021-05-17 18:35:00	c0rnelius	although it should have just auto done that?
2021-05-17 18:35:16	c0rnelius	It removes its self on first boot
2021-05-17 18:35:36	derzahl	c0rnelius: yeh, but im chrooted in now.  USB doesnt work for keyboard...i think because i have a compute module and ive using the pcie?
2021-05-17 18:36:06	c0rnelius	Oh ur using a cm4?
2021-05-17 18:36:23	c0rnelius	Nice and its acting crazy?
2021-05-17 18:36:25	derzahl	yaup...thats where most of my difficulty has been coming in....with everything
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2021-05-17 18:36:49	c0rnelius	derzahl: #debianarm-port
2021-05-17 18:37:05	elvishjerricco	clever: Here's the xinitd logs: https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/aUhWhtSW/
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2021-05-17 18:37:45	elvishjerricco	clever: And here's the config.txt https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UVHpgLZh/
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2021-05-17 18:38:13	elvishjerricco	Tenkawa: Is there a forum thread or something you were looking at where you found the workaround?
2021-05-17 18:38:13	clever	elvishjerricco: are you using the 880c1829 subdir?
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2021-05-17 18:38:27	elvishjerricco	clever: I don't know what that means
2021-05-17 18:38:50	clever	elvishjerricco: the firmware will look in a directory named after its serial# by default
2021-05-17 18:38:59	clever	you need a subdir in the tftp root, with that name
2021-05-17 18:39:04	clever	and put all the boot files in that subdir
2021-05-17 18:39:09	c0rnelius	derzahl: I suggest going there so we don't flood the channel
2021-05-17 18:39:12	Tenkawa	elvishjerricco: just a sec.. let me pull my history back up
2021-05-17 18:39:25	Tenkawa	https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi4#RPI_firmware_loads_u-boot.2C_which_loads_kernel.2Finitramfs
2021-05-17 18:39:39	elvishjerricco	clever: Huh, then why does it load a bunch of other stuff outside that subdir... anyway I'll try it
2021-05-17 18:39:57	elvishjerricco	Tenkawa: Thanks
2021-05-17 18:39:59	clever	elvishjerricco: it has fallbacks to look in the root dir, but that may not apply equally
2021-05-17 18:40:00	Tenkawa	np
2021-05-17 18:40:51	clever	elvishjerricco: look at TFTP_PREFIX under https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2711_bootloader_config.md
2021-05-17 18:43:49	elvishjerricco	clever: Identical behavior with the serial number subdir
2021-05-17 18:44:32	derzahl	c0rnelius: thx, will do
2021-05-17 18:44:59	clever	elvishjerricco: try capturing all of the packets with `tcpdump -i ETH0 -w output.pcap, then send me the file in PM
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2021-05-17 18:45:17	clever	for a complete bootup cycle
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2021-05-17 18:56:31	elvishjerricco	it actually seems that netbooting just completely ignores config.txt. That's not ok
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2021-05-17 19:04:41	Tenkawa	hmm this article shows the file being probed in its logs
2021-05-17 19:04:42	Tenkawa	https://ian.bebbs.co.uk/posts/NetworkBootingManyRaspberryPis
2021-05-17 19:04:55	Tenkawa	dnsmasq-tftp[9460]: file /tftpboot/config.txt not found
2021-05-17 19:05:11	Tenkawa	was a failed attempt for the test but it did try
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2021-05-17 19:22:45	clever	Tenkawa: the tcpdump capture shows it fetching config.txt, but not actually doing as it said
2021-05-17 19:24:00	Tenkawa	I wonder if it it wants a different syntax for netboot
2021-05-17 19:24:15	Tenkawa	or a sectioned syntax
2021-05-17 19:25:59	clever	Tenkawa: even without the conditionals, it fails
2021-05-17 19:26:08	Tenkawa	interesting...
2021-05-17 19:26:13	Tenkawa	look at this:
2021-05-17 19:26:27	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=289135
2021-05-17 19:26:36	Tenkawa	what ubuntu took to get it working
2021-05-17 19:27:58	Tenkawa	(or at least someone using it)
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2021-05-18 03:44:36	giaco	I've a pi that has leds completely disabled by dtparams. This pi suddenly failed and stopped responding and the only hint I have to find out what happened is pwr led that went on. What can suddenly turn the pwr led on even if it is off by config.txt?
2021-05-18 03:54:42	Habbie	giaco, what if it turned off and on and then couldn't read config.txt? would that explain it?
2021-05-18 03:56:15	giaco	Habbie: possibly, but it was running smoothly until it stopped. I have remote logging enabled and there's no sign of issues and I'm sure the power was present
2021-05-18 03:56:40	giaco	I was thinking more about kernel panic. Would kernel panic turn on pwr_led?
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2021-05-18 03:59:56	giaco	also after manual reboot the pi went back online
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2021-05-18 04:06:39	ShorTie	i'd guess some kind of power issue
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2021-05-18 04:12:18	giaco	considering the fact that it went back online after replugging the power supply, what can I do to prevent/automatically resolve this kind of issues?
2021-05-18 04:13:05	ShorTie	you just ranked the power ??
2021-05-18 04:13:43	giaco	ranked?
2021-05-18 04:14:05	ShorTie	pulled
2021-05-18 04:14:29	ShorTie	to reboot
2021-05-18 04:16:03	giaco	yeah, the pi was not responding to anything, it was stuck with pwr led on when normally is off by dtparam. Replugging it worked, but I'd like to find out what went wrong
2021-05-18 04:19:08	ShorTie	what model pi ??
2021-05-18 04:19:34	ShorTie	how you powering it ??
2021-05-18 04:20:19	giaco	pi3a+, powering with official pi power supply
2021-05-18 04:20:48	giaco	it has been online for weeks, I even have watchdog running, that's why I am investigating the root cause
2021-05-18 04:21:19	giaco	I need to find out if the problem is sd, the power supply, the pi itself or who knows what
2021-05-18 04:22:13	ShorTie	you looked thru /var/log ??
2021-05-18 04:23:12	ShorTie	or like "grep -r 'olt' /var/log"
2021-05-18 04:23:40	giaco	ShorTie: after reboot?
2021-05-18 04:25:14	ShorTie	hard to grep with no power
2021-05-18 04:26:18	giaco	just triggered a fake kernel panic with "# echo c > /proc/sysrq-trigger" but the pwr led didnt went on
2021-05-18 04:27:12	giaco	currently the Habbie hypotesis is my best bet
2021-05-18 04:27:46	giaco	I'm going through the logs. What I am looking for with "olt" ?
2021-05-18 04:27:54	Habbie	ShorTie, s/ranked/yanked/ :)
2021-05-18 04:28:16	Habbie	giaco, i guess ShorTie has you looking for low voltage warnings
2021-05-18 04:29:00	ShorTie	yup
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2021-05-18 04:30:05	giaco	I know exactly hour:minute:second of when the problem happened. Is there a particular log I should check manually first?
2021-05-18 04:31:15	giaco	are you sure that /var/log contains info about previous boots?
2021-05-18 04:31:31	ShorTie	ya
2021-05-18 04:31:49	ShorTie	like in messages
2021-05-18 04:33:04	ShorTie	does that power supply have a attached cord ??
2021-05-18 04:34:08	 *	ShorTie knows of no "official pi3a+" power supply
2021-05-18 04:34:55	giaco	ShorTie: the stontronics one
2021-05-18 04:35:33	giaco	this https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply/
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2021-05-18 04:36:25	giaco	actually not sure if it is this or the one with more Amps for pi4, have to check, but should't be a problem
2021-05-18 04:36:58	giaco	pi has no usb deviced attached, nothing more than the module itself
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2021-05-18 04:48:37	giaco	ok I've found the relevent lines in messages.1, the device was working nicely with no warnings at all (grep "olt" returns nothing) when suddenly "Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x0" at 08:39:59, then a lot of boot lines and the last one before total KO is "kernel: [   21.677649] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): wlan0: link becomes ready"
2021-05-18 04:49:29	giaco	so it rebooted, and boot misteriously stopped after 21.6 seconds
2021-05-18 04:50:35	giaco	The only explanation I have is that a power issue caused first reboot, and again after 21.6 seconds. Se second reboot sadly caused bootloader/hardware to misbehave and pi was not able to boot
2021-05-18 04:50:46	giaco	this would explain pwr led on
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2021-05-18 04:54:51	giaco	is my interpretation correct in your opinion?
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2021-05-18 05:01:39	ShorTie	if your wifi is going in/out, it be be a problem
2021-05-18 05:02:21	ShorTie	wifi is not a 100% always thing
2021-05-18 05:04:08	ShorTie	what voltage does that supply put out ??
2021-05-18 05:04:23	ShorTie	5.0 or 5.1 vdc ??
2021-05-18 05:04:43	ShorTie	that fancy page does not say .. :/~
2021-05-18 05:07:13	Habbie	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/README.md says the pi wants 5.1
2021-05-18 05:07:19	Habbie	so i'd assume the official supply does that
2021-05-18 05:07:27	Habbie	the pi4 supply is clear about it and does 5.1V: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/type-c-power-supply/
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2021-05-18 05:09:23	ShorTie	but you can't plug a pi4 supply into a pi3a+ .. :/~
2021-05-18 05:09:29	Habbie	correct
2021-05-18 05:09:40	ShorTie	and i think older supplies are 5.0vdc
2021-05-18 05:09:54	Chunkyz	ShorTie: older supplies are 5.1 too.
2021-05-18 05:09:57	Habbie	https://www.kiwi-electronics.nl/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-stroomvoorzieningen/raspberry-pi-voeding-5-1v-2-5a-wit-eu-uk-us-au-plug
2021-05-18 05:09:59	Habbie	claims 5.1
2021-05-18 05:10:18	Chunkyz	yep, 5.1...
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2021-05-18 05:14:13	giaco	ShorTie: if wireless was a problem, I would still have some lines after that in messages log considering that I'm reading it locally
2021-05-18 05:24:04	giaco	when pi boots, where does the boot log goes if time is not in sync?
2021-05-18 05:24:22	giaco	I have a big hole in messages.log that doesn't show last pi boot
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2021-05-18 05:53:28	ShorTie	most of my logs always start at the beginning of time
2021-05-18 05:53:49	ShorTie	like 1/1/1970 .. :/~
2021-05-18 05:54:18	ShorTie	so in the same file
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2021-05-18 06:02:06	Snuupy	https://lounge.services.snusite.com/uploads/59bd415ce5ae8977/image.png it's happening :D
2021-05-18 06:04:19	BurtyB	spam is happening ? or is it something we might be interested in clicking on?
2021-05-18 06:05:26	Snuupy	your loss
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2021-05-18 06:43:44	luneff	hey guys! I'm trying to make internal bluetooth work on Rasperry 4 (Yocto). It seems like hciattach /dev/serial1 bcm43xx 3000000 flow cannot really read anything from /dev/serial1 :-( so /usr/bin/btuart fails and no host device is detected. Any clues?
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2021-05-18 06:46:22	luneff	ah, finally. had to disable getty on /dev/ttyAMA0
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2021-05-18 08:33:19	Nelson89	Hello!
2021-05-18 08:35:57	Nelson89	i'm wondering about one thing. I have GPS Module L76 created by Waveshare (https://www.waveshare.com/l76x-gps-module.htm). I use this code to check this module (https://github.com/waveshare/L76X-GPS-Module)
2021-05-18 08:37:01	Nelson89	Mayby sameone know what is Baidu coordinates?
2021-05-18 08:37:15	Nelson89	https://github.com/waveshare/L76X-GPS-Module/blob/master/C/obj/main.c (line 54)
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2021-05-18 09:29:02	Water_27300935_	Hi, can I run .appimage file on Raspberry Pi OS?
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2021-05-18 09:35:34	Tenkawa	Water_27300935_: no.. thats an intel architecture feature
2021-05-18 09:35:46	Tenkawa	AppImages are CPU architecture specific, an AppImage for Intel architecture processors won't run on a RPi.
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2021-05-18 09:36:59	Tenkawa	if you find one for rpi its just going to be an image
2021-05-18 09:37:15	Tenkawa	effectively a dd image
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2021-05-18 09:40:10	Water_27300935_	Oh
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2021-05-18 09:42:02	Tenkawa	"I" have not seen anyone publish rpi images in the ".appimage" format. A lot of other images yes...
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2021-05-18 12:48:59	la_mettrie	wifi chip seems to include a processor (ARM Cortex-M3) itself... how big it is? where on the board it is?  are there other chips with their own processors (separate from the main CPU)?
2021-05-18 12:49:04	la_mettrie	wifi/bluetooth chip
2021-05-18 12:50:03	clever	la_mettrie: the wifi and bluetooth are in the same chip, usualy under a metal can
2021-05-18 12:56:26	la_mettrie	"can" is something with cylinder shape?
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2021-05-18 12:59:11	Reedy	it's the silver square with the rpi logo on it on the 4 isn't it?
2021-05-18 12:59:22	Reedy	I guess can means heatsink
2021-05-18 12:59:49	clever	Reedy: yeah, that
2021-05-18 13:00:08	ball	Heat spreader?
2021-05-18 13:00:20	ball	Oh, on the WiFi chip
2021-05-18 13:00:22	clever	ball: its an rf shield
2021-05-18 13:00:27	la_mettrie	and that's the only additional processor outside of the main CPU?
2021-05-18 13:00:28	ball	yeah, that's just a can.
2021-05-18 13:00:40	ball	la_mettrie: I don't think it's a processor.
2021-05-18 13:00:45	clever	la_mettrie: the pi4 has another 2 cpu's inside the usb3 controller
2021-05-18 13:00:55	ball	...probably just MAC and radios.
2021-05-18 13:01:07	ball	brb, lunch
2021-05-18 13:01:07	clever	la_mettrie: and there are another 4 cpu's inside the soc itself
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2021-05-18 15:19:49	dwho	hello everybody.
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2021-05-18 15:21:12	Tenkawa	greetings
2021-05-18 15:21:36	dwho	hello Tenkawa !
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2021-05-18 15:30:10	dwho	good night everybody and good hack with raspberry
2021-05-18 15:30:25	hack	o.o
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2021-05-18 15:31:32	ball	I'm happy because I found another 1B today while I was looking for something else.
2021-05-18 15:31:42	dwho	hack hardware of course
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2021-05-18 15:32:14	SpudGunMan	them 1B are nice low power and heat (score)
2021-05-18 15:32:49	Tenkawa	SpudGunMan: so are the zeros
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2021-05-18 15:34:15	Tenkawa	a zero with wireless draws less power
2021-05-18 15:34:38	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/README.md
2021-05-18 15:35:09	clever	Tenkawa: ive been running my pi4 on a usb power meter for ~2 days, and it looks to draw about 2.4 watts on average
2021-05-18 15:35:14	Tenkawa	if you need no connectivity at all.. just a plain zero
2021-05-18 15:35:16	Tenkawa	heheh
2021-05-18 15:35:59	Tenkawa	clever: with the open-firmware right?
2021-05-18 15:36:31	clever	Tenkawa: nope, thats just plain nixos and the official firmware
2021-05-18 15:36:40	clever	while compiling things on&off
2021-05-18 15:37:34	Tenkawa	ok.. nixos is still non-standard for most people's uses
2021-05-18 15:37:38	ball	I'll be back later, hopefully...
2021-05-18 15:37:44	clever	Tenkawa: yeah
2021-05-18 15:37:54	Tenkawa	just like my compiler cluster
2021-05-18 15:38:08	Tenkawa	noon would use this setup for a nornal use
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2021-05-18 15:38:13	Tenkawa	er noone
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2021-05-18 15:39:34	danielktdoranie	henlo everyone
2021-05-18 15:41:11	Tenkawa	greetings
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2021-05-18 15:45:01	danielktdoranie	Hi!
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2021-05-18 15:51:04	SpudGunMan	yea there is a lot less powewr consumed in a zero! but in real compute and the I/O typically needed for most projects that fit the normal format the B is a sweet find as its not on USBC and consumes less power overall so finding one is a score! since they are still handy - for example if you dont need wifi the older units are very handy for gathering data to disk or via NFC hive :) so score dude!
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2021-05-18 15:54:23	Tenkawa	SpudGunMan: ummm.. the zero isnt usbc either
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2021-05-18 15:56:11	Tenkawa	Mini HDMI and USB On-The-Go ports Micro USB power
2021-05-18 15:57:18	wonderer	any know about docker on a pi4?
2021-05-18 15:57:29	wonderer	am getting this when trying to git install new image
2021-05-18 15:57:30	wonderer	 The script virtualenv is installed in '/home/pi/.local/bin' which is not on PATH.
2021-05-18 15:57:30	wonderer	  Consider adding this directory to PATH or, if you prefer to suppress this warning, use --no-warn-script-location.
2021-05-18 15:57:50	artok	crossposting stuff
2021-05-18 15:59:39	wonderer	yes in case in other chan no one responded
2021-05-18 15:59:43	wonderer	is that a problem?
2021-05-18 15:59:58	wonderer	i dont see why
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2021-05-18 16:00:08	wonderer	its good to get opinions from all sets
2021-05-18 16:04:33	stiltr	Seems like it just wants it added to your PATH variable. export PATH=$PATH:/home/pi/.local/bin and see if that fixes it. If so, just add that to your .bashrc
2021-05-18 16:04:34	wonderer	pls ignore my docker question
2021-05-18 16:04:46	wonderer	am getting gd advis ein #docker thx
2021-05-18 16:05:19	wonderer	stiltr yea i came across that in searches but not sure how or where exactly to place it into
2021-05-18 16:05:38	wonderer	so rather than mess things up i will ask be4 i break things :D
2021-05-18 16:05:42	wonderer	thx anyways
2021-05-18 16:06:16	stiltr	Just type it into the terminal. If you mess something up, just close that terminal and open another.
2021-05-18 16:07:45	wonderer	ah right
2021-05-18 16:07:51	wonderer	didnt know that
2021-05-18 16:07:56	wonderer	thx stiltr
2021-05-18 16:08:34	stiltr	No worries. Once you add it to .bashrc it'll be added to each new terminal, but until then it only effects the one you ran it in.
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2021-05-18 16:09:33	wonderer	i might as well do that
2021-05-18 16:09:38	wonderer	will wait for now
2021-05-18 16:09:48	wonderer	just in middle of something
2021-05-18 16:09:52	wonderer	appreciate the advise
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2021-05-18 16:14:02	wonderer	crums
2021-05-18 16:14:17	wonderer	pi/.bashrc
2021-05-18 16:14:24	wonderer	contains alot of stuff in it
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2021-05-18 16:15:08	Tenkawa	you just add it to the end
2021-05-18 16:15:32	Tenkawa	make sure you dont get it in a conditional block
2021-05-18 16:15:37	wonderer	okie dokie ta
2021-05-18 16:15:45	wonderer	ta muchly!
2021-05-18 16:15:52	Tenkawa	(or it may not get picked up)
2021-05-18 16:16:05	artok	not that putting virtual env bin into PATH is good idea...
2021-05-18 16:16:24	artok	you'll end up multiple python3 on your path
2021-05-18 16:16:33	artok	and first one might not be one that you want
2021-05-18 16:16:39	wonderer	artok should i hold out be4 trying the image
2021-05-18 16:16:49	Tenkawa	artok: yeah there should be a system docker python pip path for this I agree
2021-05-18 16:16:49	wonderer	alright
2021-05-18 16:16:58	Tenkawa	if it was installed
2021-05-18 16:17:05	wonderer	ok?
2021-05-18 16:17:14	 *	wonderer looks confussed
2021-05-18 16:17:18	artok	create symlink for binaries you really want to use from the virtual env..
2021-05-18 16:17:30	wonderer	{ԿÔ}
2021-05-18 16:17:51	artok	but here in this case, you want to forget that error, remove what that setup.sh did, and run just that prebuilt image
2021-05-18 16:18:16	Tenkawa	artok: if these binaries are inside that image though there may be mismatches in symbols/envvars/etc if he does it that way
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2021-05-18 16:19:01	Tenkawa	using symlinks is still going to use the outside lib pah unless you LD_LIBRARY_PATH it
2021-05-18 16:19:04	artok	no they aren't according to that other channel, he started building the package from source on host, not building dockerfile
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2021-05-18 16:19:33	Tenkawa	they will unless they are static bins
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2021-05-18 17:30:15	stemid	as far as I can tell you can enter kernel modules with parameters into /etc/modules. and if I run sudo modprobe g_mass_storage file=/piusb.bin stall=0 removable=1 I turn my raspberry pi zero w into a usb storage device. but I tried putting g_mass_storage file=/piusb.bin stall=0 removable=1 into /etc/modules to run it on boot but it won't work. anyone know why?
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2021-05-18 17:30:52	stemid	I can of course create an init.d script that runs it but I was under the impression that /etc/modules was already being processed by an init.d script.
2021-05-18 17:31:18	stemid	using raspberry pi os lite
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2021-05-18 17:33:26	stemid	/etc/init.d/kmod seems to run modprobe with the module name and the args from /etc/modules.
2021-05-18 17:36:38	clever	stemid: /etc/modules just has the default config, for when you do `modprobe g_mass_storage`
2021-05-18 17:36:52	clever	there is something else ive seen in config.txt or cmdline.txt, that tells it to load that module
2021-05-18 17:38:21	Tenkawa	clever:  that is not correct
2021-05-18 17:38:24	Tenkawa	# /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
2021-05-18 17:38:24	Tenkawa	#
2021-05-18 17:38:24	Tenkawa	# This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded
2021-05-18 17:38:24	Tenkawa	# at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with "#" are ignored.
2021-05-18 17:38:42	clever	oh, maybe i'm mixing it up with modprobe.conf
2021-05-18 17:39:19	Tenkawa	yes modprobe.conf is where varrs get set
2021-05-18 17:39:23	clever	stemid: what if modules is ONLY the module name, and you do need modprobe.conf for the options?
2021-05-18 17:39:37	Tenkawa	or /etc/modprobe.d/
2021-05-18 17:39:39	stemid	no what if, just read /etc/init.d/kmod
2021-05-18 17:39:50	stemid	it's clearly parsing out a module name and args from /etc/modules
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2021-05-18 17:40:24	Tenkawa	yep
2021-05-18 17:40:25	Tenkawa	# Short-Description: Load the modules listed in /etc/modules.
2021-05-18 17:40:25	Tenkawa	# Description:       Load the modules listed in /etc/modules.
2021-05-18 17:40:58	Tenkawa	the key is "does systemd call it"
2021-05-18 17:41:20	Tenkawa	is thera a systemd hook for that file?
2021-05-18 17:42:03	Tenkawa	yep
2021-05-18 17:42:04	Tenkawa	./system/sysinit.target.wants/kmod-static-nodes.service
2021-05-18 17:43:34	Tenkawa	stemid: if you sudo modinfo on g_mass_storage does it come back ok?
2021-05-18 17:43:49	Tenkawa	I want to make sure it can be resolved
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2021-05-18 17:44:32	stemid	yes it does.
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2021-05-18 17:45:00	Tenkawa	ok.. lets test the next step..
2021-05-18 17:45:03	stemid	I just noticed that with the g_mass_storage line in modules the systemd unit kmod does fail. I commented it out and rebooted, then it's ok.
2021-05-18 17:45:11	clever	also of note, g_mass_storage is the old way of doing gadget stuff
2021-05-18 17:45:14	clever	it has since been replaced
2021-05-18 17:45:14	stemid	no log though
2021-05-18 17:45:22	Tenkawa	yeah g_ is deprecated
2021-05-18 17:45:34	clever	https://github.com/librerpi/rpi-tools/blob/master/nix/msd.nix#L5-L39
2021-05-18 17:45:40	clever	this is the new interface
2021-05-18 17:45:47	clever	it lets you create custom composite gadgets
2021-05-18 17:46:00	clever	in my case, its both a usb serial port, and MSD, at the same time
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2021-05-18 17:50:41	stemid	ok thanks, I'll have to figure out how to use this new method.
2021-05-18 17:50:56	Tenkawa	clever: got a new monitoring script for my cluster... polls all the nodes..
2021-05-18 17:50:58	Tenkawa	Hostname:  rpi4-1
2021-05-18 17:50:59	Tenkawa	CPU Temp:  50.1°C
2021-05-18 17:50:59	Tenkawa	CPU Speed: 2000 mhz
2021-05-18 17:50:59	Tenkawa	CPU Governor: performance
2021-05-18 17:50:59	Tenkawa	Uptime: up 2 hours, 53 minutes
2021-05-18 17:51:11	stemid	Tenkawa: what was the next step?
2021-05-18 17:51:27	stemid	or you think I should just try rpi-tools?
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2021-05-18 17:53:11	Tenkawa	stemid: as long as that is a module I would recommend using the modprobe.d approach and setting up the module settings
2021-05-18 17:53:27	Tenkawa	I have several modules running that way
2021-05-18 17:56:33	stemid	ok thanks I will try that.
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2021-05-18 18:00:53	stemid	oh nice, it worked.
2021-05-18 18:01:09	stemid	now it's available as a usb storage device after rebooting too.
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2021-05-18 18:31:32	Tenkawa	stemid: great to hear :)
2021-05-18 18:31:43	Tenkawa	(was outside in garden)
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2021-05-18 18:49:55	Ouranos	Is this a good place to talk about overclocking?
2021-05-18 18:51:02	koollman	well, if you're overclocking a raspberry pi, sure
2021-05-18 18:53:19	Reedy	heh
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2021-05-18 21:07:27	ball	Does Linux dd have an equivalent to progress= (to draw a progress bar)?
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2021-05-18 21:08:04	clever	ball: `man dd` says its `status=progress`
2021-05-18 21:08:27	ball	Thanks clever
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2021-05-18 21:21:48	ball	2003828736 bytes (2.0 GB, 1.9 GiB) copied, 327.235 s, 6.1 MB/s
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2021-05-18 21:27:49	dubbie	hey that's like my inet connection!
2021-05-18 21:28:59	dubbie	my first pi comes tomorrow. what's the first thing you should do?
2021-05-18 21:29:39	Reedy	take it out of the box
2021-05-18 21:29:52	dubbie	it comes with a box! :D
2021-05-18 21:29:56	dubbie	this just keeps getting better
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2021-05-18 21:43:25	ball	dubbie: Which one is it?
2021-05-18 21:46:21	c0rnelius	Take out of bag and throw in toilet. Essential the same thing you would do with a Hot Pocket.
2021-05-18 21:46:49	 *	Armand throws c0rnelius in the toilet
2021-05-18 21:47:59	c0rnelius	If only... What dreams may come?
2021-05-18 21:49:40	Armand	Wet dreams, I'd imagine..
2021-05-18 21:51:06	c0rnelius	I guess you really like Hot Pockets?
2021-05-18 21:51:17	Armand	Nope.
2021-05-18 21:51:35	Armand	Never having even looked at one might be relevant.
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2021-05-18 21:52:01	 *	ball looks confused
2021-05-18 21:52:34	 *	Armand bounces ball
2021-05-18 21:53:14	c0rnelius	No sense of humor? check! Loves Pis unconditionally? check! Never heard of nor seen a Hot Pocket? check!
2021-05-18 21:53:57	Armand	Makes false assertions in spite of the contrary being plainly obvious? Check!
2021-05-18 22:01:29	c0rnelius	Armand: Well I was only joking and still am. So... keep up the good work of being a douche :)
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2021-05-18 22:06:14	ball	Cable ties!
2021-05-18 22:14:56	 *	Armand straps c0rnelius to a ceiling fan with cable ties.
2021-05-18 22:15:02	Armand	Good call, ball
2021-05-18 22:15:33	Armand	I'll leave the douchebaggery to you, c0rnelius :P
2021-05-18 22:16:01	c0rnelius	Armand: Ok fella. sounds good! carry on
2021-05-18 22:16:10	Armand	Coolio
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2021-05-18 22:32:42	Ouranos	Anyone have any experience with the no-desktop version of raspbian?
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2021-05-18 22:43:41	ball	Ouranos: I have yet to try it.
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2021-05-18 23:24:48	dubbie	ball: rpi4 8gb
2021-05-18 23:25:17	dubbie	Ouranos: its just command line linux no?
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2021-05-18 23:33:11	ball	dubbie: Nice!
2021-05-18 23:33:34	dubbie	think i'm going to create a streaming service first
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2021-05-18 23:33:55	dubbie	and see what the IO kit is all aobut
2021-05-18 23:35:53	ball	I don't know IOkit
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2021-05-19 06:19:22	tsp_	Could someone please tell me which two ports on the Pi 4 are USB 3?
2021-05-19 06:20:32	clever	tsp_: the blue ones
2021-05-19 06:21:47	tsp_	clever: Which ones are the blue ones? I'm blind.
2021-05-19 06:23:28	clever	tsp_: the 2 middle ports
2021-05-19 06:23:33	clever	between the outer usb and the ethernet
2021-05-19 06:23:59	tsp_	Thanks!
2021-05-19 06:24:29	Snuupy	https://privatebin.net/?8da2bba3169e86f1#5EZzG5gmRYWs3ZQmCNSajvQNAfn2PEPVKmapabgxeqmc
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2021-05-19 10:10:13	Tenkawa	Anyone left with any official standing in the RPI community here?
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2021-05-19 10:12:31	rpifan	i suspect we should al ljust migrate
2021-05-19 10:12:37	rpifan	and ask the pi foundation to support the new chan
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2021-05-19 10:15:23	@Habbie	blackroot, hello
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2021-05-19 10:16:26	Habbie	i have registered #raspberrypi on Libera, in any case
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2021-05-19 10:23:28	Tenkawa	this has become quite the mess
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2021-05-19 10:28:51	GrandPa-G	I need a definitive working example of how to add 2 additional GPIOs as i2c pins. I am running buster. I haven't found an example that actually works. It is possible I have a bad i2c board, but I don't think so.
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2021-05-19 11:07:55	leitz	Tenkawa, I missed the news. What's up?
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2021-05-19 11:09:22	Shaun	not a lot's up to be honest.  drama is so endemic to irc it might as well be in the rfc.  freenode's finally implemented it.
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2021-05-19 11:13:36	HerculeP	leitz, & others: https://www.kline.sh/
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2021-05-19 11:18:02	leitz	HerculeP, thank you.
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2021-05-19 11:22:15	HerculeP	np, also interresting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207440
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2021-05-19 13:20:26	nils_2	https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_plugin_api.en.html
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2021-05-19 13:22:15	nils_2	https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_plugin_api.en.html
2021-05-19 13:22:17	nils_2	https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_faq.de.html#use_256_colors
2021-05-19 13:22:19	nils_2	https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_faq.de.html#use_256_colors
2021-05-19 13:22:21	nils_2	https://weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_plugin_api.en.html
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2021-05-19 13:37:10	ToHellWithGA	could you link the use 256 colors again?
2021-05-19 13:37:31	ToHellWithGA	it's only linked twice. i want to make sure i got the URL right
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2021-05-19 13:39:52	womalice	how 'laggy' should your pi be? like opening web pages and redrawing irc chats etc?
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2021-05-19 13:40:38	Chunkyz	womalice: depeneds on the OS and if you're using an sdcard etc. a lot of things come into play.
2021-05-19 13:40:43	ToHellWithGA	which pi? which sites? which irc client?
2021-05-19 13:41:15	Chunkyz	"it's only linked twice. i want to make sure i got the URL right" hahaha
2021-05-19 13:41:30	womalice	rpi4 8gb, almost all sites; ddg, rpi.org etc, hexchat
2021-05-19 13:41:36	ShorTie	sdcards are sloooow....
2021-05-19 13:41:42	womalice	using raspbian that came with the pi
2021-05-19 13:41:50	womalice	ahh ok thats proll yit
2021-05-19 13:42:05	ShorTie	ssd much much quicker
2021-05-19 13:42:05	Chunkyz	64bit or 32bit womalice ?
2021-05-19 13:42:07	womalice	although this is a v30 class card :[
2021-05-19 13:42:10	Chunkyz	what ShorTie said.
2021-05-19 13:42:25	womalice	eek, ya know i didn't check... assumed it was 64bit
2021-05-19 13:42:33	HerculeP	usb3 ssd is MUCH faster indeed
2021-05-19 13:42:50	womalice	i have one of those! suppose you can always use more
2021-05-19 13:42:57	Chunkyz	womalice: rpi arm64 os is in beta but a lot faster on the rpi4 4/8gb
2021-05-19 13:43:31	womalice	what's the cli com to check it again? uname something something
2021-05-19 13:43:38	ToHellWithGA	uname -a
2021-05-19 13:43:40	ToHellWithGA	iirc
2021-05-19 13:43:56	ToHellWithGA	but foreal, why are you using a pi as a desktop?
2021-05-19 13:43:59	ToHellWithGA	:p
2021-05-19 13:44:00	womalice	armv7l?
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2021-05-19 13:44:18	womalice	ahh, i just got it today and am checking it out
2021-05-19 13:44:41	Chunkyz	ToHellWithGA: it's fine as a lightweight desktop imho
2021-05-19 13:44:58	Chunkyz	womalice: try the 64bit OS and use usb3 to sata ssd if you can
2021-05-19 13:44:59	ToHellWithGA	i agree, i just never sweat performance knowing that it is going to be a little wimpy
2021-05-19 13:45:04	womalice	got an elecrow kit. will tap that next... wanted to use this as a cast device and to fuck around with... media serever, webhost, general linux chops etc
2021-05-19 13:45:45	Chunkyz	ToHellWithGA: it's great here, I only browse specific sites and gmail ;P
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2021-05-19 13:45:55	Chunkyz	oh & irc ;D
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2021-05-19 13:46:02	womalice	did i see soewhere it can handle dota? dunno if i believe that
2021-05-19 13:46:03	ToHellWithGA	i can't gmail on mine
2021-05-19 13:46:12	ToHellWithGA	headless, haven't found a good CLI browser with JS
2021-05-19 13:46:48	Chunkyz	yeah firefox with a de >
2021-05-19 13:47:01	womalice	Chunkyz: any other flavas you suggest? or stick with raspbian? i normally use either debian rhel or lmde
2021-05-19 13:47:17	Chunkyz	womalice: look into c0rnelius's builder, you won't regret it
2021-05-19 13:47:46	Chunkyz	google "rpi-image-builder" and click the first github link
2021-05-19 13:47:51	ToHellWithGA	will this channel migrate to libera.chat?
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2021-05-19 13:48:09	Chunkyz	womalice: github.com/pyavitz
2021-05-19 13:48:14	craigevil	i use the rapios arm64, but i upgraded it to debian unstable
2021-05-19 13:48:46	Chunkyz	ToHellWithGA: would hope so
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2021-05-19 13:49:35	artok	topic would be great to have some info about migration
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2021-05-19 13:49:54	Chunkyz	ping rattus or gordon ;P
2021-05-19 13:50:33	artok	Habbie might also do something =)
2021-05-19 13:50:39	Habbie	hello
2021-05-19 13:50:52	Chunkyz	forgot Habbie is an op
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2021-05-19 13:51:15	Habbie	no migration decision has been made yet
2021-05-19 13:51:37	Chunkyz	let's hope it's okay
2021-05-19 13:52:01	Habbie	45 users have shown up in the libera channel
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2021-05-19 13:53:38	Chunkyz	Habbie: ? I see over 1500
2021-05-19 13:53:53	Habbie	Chunkyz, where?
2021-05-19 13:54:02	Chunkyz	the libera irc
2021-05-19 13:54:06	Chunkyz	oh wait
2021-05-19 13:54:07	Chunkyz	no
2021-05-19 13:54:08	Habbie	i mean #raspberrypi on libera
2021-05-19 13:54:09	Chunkyz	sorry
2021-05-19 13:54:12	Chunkyz	I'm dumb
2021-05-19 13:54:17	Habbie	1500 would be impressive, that's twice what we have here :D
2021-05-19 13:54:22	Habbie	you're not dumb, you were just confused for a moment
2021-05-19 13:54:23	Chunkyz	haha my bad
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2021-05-19 13:57:00	womalice	is this server administered by anyone actually from 2600?
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2021-05-19 13:57:09	Habbie	2600?
2021-05-19 13:57:20	Chunkyz	2600 = ?
2021-05-19 13:57:33	womalice	or is it a honeypot setup by the nsa to ensnare would be snackers?
2021-05-19 13:57:51	Chunkyz	we don't know who/what 2600 is
2021-05-19 13:57:52	Habbie	i'd like to propose it is neither
2021-05-19 13:57:55	womalice	2600, the hacker quarterly...
2021-05-19 13:57:58	Habbie	Chunkyz, in context, i now think i know what 2600 is
2021-05-19 13:58:01	Habbie	i have a few editions lying here
2021-05-19 13:58:05	Chunkyz	never heard of it
2021-05-19 13:58:14	Chunkyz	i7 2600 yeah
2021-05-19 13:58:14	Chunkyz	lol
2021-05-19 13:58:16	Habbie	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2600:_The_Hacker_Quarterly
2021-05-19 13:58:36	Chunkyz	long read ;P
2021-05-19 13:58:44	Habbie	there's a summary at the top
2021-05-19 13:58:47	Habbie	wikipedia is cool like that
2021-05-19 13:58:50	womalice	also, i am typing this info in the wrong channels :D
2021-05-19 13:59:01	Habbie	womalice, good, i didn't think you were making sense anyway ;)
2021-05-19 13:59:10	womalice	cause i thought freenode had more than 1500 users... but i guess you meant this channel ;p
2021-05-19 13:59:29	womalice	fucking adhd man
2021-05-19 13:59:33	Habbie	language, please
2021-05-19 13:59:45	womalice	derping adhd man
2021-05-19 13:59:49	Habbie	lol
2021-05-19 14:00:11	womalice	do children use irc?
2021-05-19 14:00:21	womalice	seems awefully irresponsible of a parent
2021-05-19 14:00:38	Habbie	we try to not be the reason they don't
2021-05-19 14:00:42	Habbie	i don't know if any have ever shown up
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2021-05-19 14:03:05	Chunkyz	I mean, I've never seen anyone under 16 on irc
2021-05-19 14:03:13	Chunkyz	discord yeah but not irc
2021-05-19 14:03:16	Maik	Tenkawa: not on libera yet?
2021-05-19 14:03:24	Habbie	i was on irc way before 16
2021-05-19 14:03:31	Chunkyz	really?
2021-05-19 14:03:35	womalice	think i got on irc whenever compuserv and aol were the only ways to get on the net. prolly just under 16
2021-05-19 14:03:40	Habbie	Chunkyz, 11 i think
2021-05-19 14:03:44	Habbie	Chunkyz, this was early nineties
2021-05-19 14:03:46	Chunkyz	I found at 6 years ago
2021-05-19 14:03:49	womalice	yerp
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2021-05-19 14:03:52	Maik	Chunkyz: lol... on spotchat we had a 14 year old annoying kid
2021-05-19 14:04:00	Maik	got banned every single time
2021-05-19 14:04:33	Chunkyz	getting banned isn't fun
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2021-05-19 14:05:54	Maik	it never is but if someone doesn't want to listen to the ops and continue being annoying or whatever, then they ask for it
2021-05-19 14:06:06	Chunkyz	agreed
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2021-05-19 14:08:36	womalice	its the blind bans that hurt
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2021-05-19 14:10:31	womalice	Chunkyz: who is c0rnelius? and does he play ns2?
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2021-05-19 14:13:20	Chunkyz	no idea, he makes a great image for the rpi4 and other sbc boards
2021-05-19 14:13:39	Chunkyz	ubuntu, debuan and debian
2021-05-19 14:13:45	Chunkyz	devuan*
2021-05-19 14:14:23	Chunkyz	womalice: he's one of the best devs imho
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2021-05-19 14:17:13	Maik	Chunkyz: have you tried Manjaro on the pi 4?
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2021-05-19 14:24:43	Tenkawa	Maik: I am but Chunkyz has the channel locked out
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2021-05-19 14:25:46	Maik	Tenkawa: ? locked out?
2021-05-19 14:25:57	Tenkawa	he registered it before I could get there
2021-05-19 14:26:27	Maik	oh
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2021-05-19 14:27:14	Tenkawa	and gace it (02:26:59 PM) ChanServ: (notice) Founder    : ChunkyzZ
2021-05-19 14:27:14	Tenkawa	(02:26:59 PM) ChanServ: (notice) Successor  : libera-placeholder-account
2021-05-19 14:27:22	Tenkawa	er
2021-05-19 14:27:22	Tenkawa	(02:26:59 PM) ChanServ: (notice) Founder    : ChunkyzZ
2021-05-19 14:27:22	Tenkawa	(02:26:59 PM) ChanServ: (notice) Successor  : libera-placeholder-account
2021-05-19 14:27:36	Tenkawa	now I cant do anythingf
2021-05-19 14:28:11	Maik	Tenkawa: then ask if he passes it on to you
2021-05-19 14:28:39	Tenkawa	I plan on it if he logs back on
2021-05-19 14:28:42	c0rnelius	He beat you to it :)
2021-05-19 14:28:55	Tenkawa	c0rnelius: I didnt know any of this was going on
2021-05-19 14:29:19	Maik	Tenkawa: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409/
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2021-05-19 14:29:35	Tenkawa	Maik: yeah I read about it
2021-05-19 14:29:43	Tenkawa	first I heard of it
2021-05-19 14:29:45	Maik	i guess it's bye bye Freenode soon
2021-05-19 14:30:04	Tenkawa	its been tried 3 times already
2021-05-19 14:30:06	Shaun	that bit we don't know.  it depends if critical mass shifts
2021-05-19 14:30:23	Tenkawa	Openprojects, Linode, it always gets ressurected
2021-05-19 14:30:40	Tenkawa	er Linprojects
2021-05-19 14:31:07	Tenkawa	I've had servers on all of them
2021-05-19 14:32:10	craigevil	##linux and #slack are for now mirroring the channels on libera/freenode
2021-05-19 14:32:21	womalice	Chunkyz: username is more familiar... but now i know he is patrick!
2021-05-19 14:32:46	Tenkawa	umm no
2021-05-19 14:33:14	womalice	craigevil: doens't that sort of defeat the point of moving the channel?
2021-05-19 14:33:39	craigevil	making sure everyone knows they are going to switch
2021-05-19 14:34:20	Habbie	craigevil, as in, bots that bridge messages?
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2021-05-19 14:35:05	craigevil	they way I understand it yes that is what is going to happen, for now they just have two channels on diff servers
2021-05-19 14:35:46	womalice	did this andrew lee guy pay money to become the sole owner?
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2021-05-19 14:36:25	Habbie	womalice, you should read https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409/
2021-05-19 14:36:30	Habbie	womalice, i don't think better information is available
2021-05-19 14:36:37	craigevil	they should just move to Matrix and let irc die
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2021-05-19 14:38:12	puff	Good afternoon.
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2021-05-19 14:39:13	puff	I just recieved the pi 4 compute module w/EMMC and pi IO board w/POE board.  It appears there's some sort of connector necessary, trying to figure out what I need to order.
2021-05-19 14:39:27	puff	Also, the compute module is *tiny* and the IO board is the size of a 90s era PC daughterboard...
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2021-05-19 14:41:52	Shaun	that's very much intentional, awesome, and the plan
2021-05-19 14:42:49	puff	Hm, what the one I ordered (and received) is this one: https://www.waveshare.com/compute-module-4-poe-board.htm
2021-05-19 14:43:07	puff	But looking at the (out of stock) canakit one:  https://www.canakit.com/raspberry-pi-compute-module-cm4-io-board.html
2021-05-19 14:43:24	Shaun	oh interesting, that's not the regular cmio, at all
2021-05-19 14:43:29	puff	It says the kit includes "Standard Raspberry Pi HAT connectors with PoE support
2021-05-19 14:43:45	puff	So I guess that's the connector I need.  Do Pi HATS require soldering?
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2021-05-19 14:44:10	puff	Need to order a few dozen of these, don't want to deal with soldering them all.
2021-05-19 14:44:21	Shaun	"HAT" is just the pi's standard for boards that go on the 2x40 pin connector
2021-05-19 14:44:31	Shaun	sorry, 2x20
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2021-05-19 14:45:46	Shaun	I suspect I'm going at this backwards.  what connector are you missing?
2021-05-19 14:46:53	womalice	can you hot plug the gpio?
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2021-05-19 14:47:23	Shaun	for a whole lot of things, yes.  it's generally not the best idea though
2021-05-19 14:48:29	womalice	mmmm my kit smells like petroleum
2021-05-19 14:48:31	puff	Oh what the hell (re: freenode resignation).
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2021-05-19 14:48:52	womalice	i thought you used irc throgh matrix?
2021-05-19 14:49:02	womalice	just matrix + email for everything... done
2021-05-19 14:49:06	puff	Shaun: I'm not sure what connector I'm missing, but the compute module and IO board as shipped do not clearly have any way to stick them together.
2021-05-19 14:49:19	puff	Shaun: Hence while I'm hear, asking questions.
2021-05-19 14:49:36	Shaun	oh!  sure they do.  the mezanine connectors.
2021-05-19 14:49:43	puff	Matrix looks kinda neat.
2021-05-19 14:50:06	Shaun	so on the link you shared, at the top-right of the board next to the power block, is a rectangle drawn in white, with two skinny black connectors
2021-05-19 14:50:09	puff	Shaun: Mezanine?
2021-05-19 14:50:11	Shaun	they match those found on the bottom of the CM4
2021-05-19 14:50:30	puff	Which link, canakit, waverider, or raspberrpi.org?
2021-05-19 14:50:32	womalice	when i click on links in hexchat here it opens in chrome but its pretty slow.. .thought all that would happen in memory and not from the sdcard
2021-05-19 14:50:55	wgreenhouse	Matrix doesn't work well, in my experience.
2021-05-19 14:51:21	 *	craigevil uses gomuks for Matrix
2021-05-19 14:51:26	wgreenhouse	it's slow (both the client experience and message delivery)
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2021-05-19 14:51:27	puff	wgreenhouse: Sorry to hear that.
2021-05-19 14:51:29	Shaun	"all of the above".  I meant the waveshare one with the blue pcb specifically, but it mirrors the layout of the foundation's CMIO board largely
2021-05-19 14:51:45	puff	Shaun: Lemme look
2021-05-19 14:51:58	puff	Shaun: I'm actually away from home so I don't have the actual module/board in my hands.
2021-05-19 14:52:05	womalice	isn't it slow cause it works kinda like blockchain and has to propagate the entire decentralized network firs\t?
2021-05-19 14:52:12	puff	But I've been meaning to look into this and I had a few minutes of downtime so...
2021-05-19 14:52:27	Habbie	womalice, there is nothing blockchain-like about irc
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2021-05-19 14:52:28	Shaun	https://www.canakit.com/Media/1500/2550.jpg   the white rectangle north-east that has "compute module 4" labelled in it.  the two long, thin, black connectors within that space match the connectors on the underside of the CM4
2021-05-19 14:52:36	womalice	Habbie: not irc matrix
2021-05-19 14:52:42	Habbie	womalice, oh! also no, i think
2021-05-19 14:52:48	artok	I personally hate all discord kind of things that have "you can post all your funny animations" on the channel
2021-05-19 14:53:32	Shaun	the blue waveshare variant is pretty much the same layout, but with magnetics for PoE
2021-05-19 14:53:36	puff	Shaun: upper left corner? (I would expect "northeast" to mean upper right, in a US context).
2021-05-19 14:53:51	Shaun	one sec
2021-05-19 14:54:02	puff	Ah wait, now I see.
2021-05-19 14:54:05	womalice	menh, discord is alright... really though we just need to not make laws against the stupid shit people say. or against fake news... but we do need a new layer of trust and leadership though.
2021-05-19 14:54:12	puff	You mean the thin white line rectangle with rounded corners?
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2021-05-19 14:54:59	puff	Yeah, they look like they match the size and spacing of similar widgets on the compute board, but the ones on the compute board are *also* female.
2021-05-19 14:55:16	puff	Or at least very low profile... maybe I'm missing something?
2021-05-19 14:55:40	puff	I'd love to find a good channel/forum/etc for discussing chat systems, distributed chat systems, trust management, etc.
2021-05-19 14:57:07	Shaun	puff; https://i.imgur.com/D4zVREW.png   the two connectors in hot pink match the mezanine connectors on the underside of the CM4.  the mess in neon cyan is the space that matches the pi's "HAT" standard (boards that'd side on a regular pi)
2021-05-19 14:57:35	Shaun	please excuse the crayola logic, I'm not sober, and I cant' draw on a touchpad.
2021-05-19 14:59:43	puff	This is the compute module 4 that I was shipped, fwiw.https://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/cm4104016/rpi-module-4-4gb-ram-16gb-emmc/dp/86AH2105
2021-05-19 14:59:57	puff	Shaun: Thanks.
2021-05-19 15:00:14	Shaun	male/female doesn't help much with them, because they're both one-inside-the-other
2021-05-19 15:01:20	Shaun	but I'm confident if they'd put the wrong connector on the CMIO4, we'd have heard about it by now
2021-05-19 15:01:41	puff	Got a pointer to a good explanation of how to use the mezanine connectors?
2021-05-19 15:02:06	Shaun	just like any other, they're just very low profile and a nuisance to solder
2021-05-19 15:02:47	Shaun	but in actual use it is just line the board up (the white rectangle and four holes should match) and push
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2021-05-19 15:03:45	puff	So they do need to be soldered?
2021-05-19 15:04:08	Shaun	oh no.  that's just me babbling because I've been designing a pcb that uses them
2021-05-19 15:04:35	Shaun	honestly, once you receive both parts you're going to go "ohhhh" and 5 seconds later you'll be sorted
2021-05-19 15:05:17	puff	Ok.
2021-05-19 15:05:22	puff	I hope so :-).
2021-05-19 15:05:45	puff	I'm away from my house right now, the cm4 and io board are at my house, I'll look at them when I get back.
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2021-05-19 15:07:34	Tenkawa	yay I have a cm4 and io board on the way
2021-05-19 15:07:39	Tenkawa	just got my ship notice
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2021-05-19 15:08:19	Shaun	I ordered some yonks ago, and had to cancel the pre-order once brexit happened, because I was going to end up paying tax twice.  not a happy day
2021-05-19 15:09:39	puff	Tenkawa: Cool!
2021-05-19 15:10:09	Shaun	I really want to make my own CM carrier board, but routing pcie is scary
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2021-05-19 15:15:45	womalice	when i lshw, i get width: 32 bits. does this mean its the architecture being used? or that the rpi cpu is actually 32bits?
2021-05-19 15:17:17	Habbie	i would -guess- it's the cpu but i am not sure
2021-05-19 15:17:31	Habbie	womalice, cat /sys/firmware/devicetree/base/model
2021-05-19 15:18:21	womalice	rpi 4 B 1.4
2021-05-19 15:18:43	Habbie	let me check my rpi 4 B 1.2
2021-05-19 15:18:56	womalice	its gotta be the kernel arch then... unless this is some cheap knockoff pi!
2021-05-19 15:18:59	Habbie	width: 64 bits
2021-05-19 15:19:03	Habbie	so it's the kernel arch
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2021-05-19 15:20:50	Shaun	I had a feeling that had to be hidden behind the arch, but I don't have a pi online to check atm
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2021-05-19 15:21:35	Habbie	i think we have pretty conclusive data here
2021-05-19 15:21:42	womalice	ahhh, god, so what i gotta do here.. make an image on usb3, then boot from usb?
2021-05-19 15:22:13	Habbie	womalice, do for what goal?
2021-05-19 15:23:12	puff	Shaun: Thank you very much for the advice.
2021-05-19 15:23:36	puff	I wonder if there are off the shelf cases for IOboard+CM4.
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2021-05-19 15:24:49	puff	Anyone messed with netboot?  My sysadmin friend/mentor recommends I go with netboot for these.
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2021-05-19 15:25:08	Habbie	i have messed with netboot, a long time ago, but never on pi
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2021-05-19 15:26:37	Shaun	ditto.  I went insane trying to track mac addresses of everything so I didn't push the same roots to everything.
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2021-05-19 15:27:10	Shaun	that's one of those projects that started off as "this will be cool" and died at "this isn't my problem"
2021-05-19 15:28:28	puff	That's scary.
2021-05-19 15:28:50	womalice	Habbie: running a 64bit os
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2021-05-19 15:29:23	womalice	also, can you ssh over wireless to the pi from a workstation?
2021-05-19 15:29:25	Habbie	womalice, ah, then yes - assuming usb boot works for you, i've never tried it and i don't know if any preparation is necessary for it
2021-05-19 15:29:28	Habbie	yes
2021-05-19 15:29:33	Habbie	if you configure the pi for it
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2021-05-19 15:30:00	womalice	derp, always with the config >^<
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2021-05-19 15:30:03	puff	The current prototype uses regular Pi4s with SD cards, but this will be long-running, unattended. My sysadmin mentor is not super into raspberry pi stuff but has done a lot of stuff with embedded and small formfactor hardware, and very much recommends EMMC.
2021-05-19 15:30:26	Shaun	I don't want to say scary, just that I run a large & diverse network.  netboot seems to serve hetrogeneous networks much better
2021-05-19 15:30:32	womalice	Habbie: what os are you running? and from the sdcard?
2021-05-19 15:30:45	Habbie	womalice, raspberry pi os, debian, ubuntu
2021-05-19 15:30:50	Habbie	i have a whole collection
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2021-05-19 15:30:52	Habbie	all from SD, yes
2021-05-19 15:31:17	womalice	so you havent tried usb3? someone earlier was saying its much faster
2021-05-19 15:31:23	Shaun	I do believe emmc has better longevity than sdcards.  but a large part of it will be the architecture of your application, the less writes the better
2021-05-19 15:31:35	Shaun	read-only root et al
2021-05-19 15:31:44	Habbie	womalice, my Pis are fast enough for what they do right now so i did not bother
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2021-05-19 15:32:04	puff	The current prototype basically works by installing the same scripts and media files on all 64 raspberry PI4s (going to se if I can get that down to 32 via driving two monitors per pi).
2021-05-19 15:32:18	puff	The scripts look up the PI's IP address in a config file to determine where they are in the array (4x16 monitors) and then load and play the media file appropriate to that location.
2021-05-19 15:32:28	Habbie	nice
2021-05-19 15:32:31	puff	And the controller sends UDP packets to tell them which set of media files to play.
2021-05-19 15:32:43	Habbie	why UDP?
2021-05-19 15:32:44	puff	And we use rsync/ssh to update config files and the media library on all of the PIs.
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2021-05-19 15:33:01	puff	Habbie: Broadcast UDP, actually. Simplifies timing control and since it's on a private network...
2021-05-19 15:33:09	Habbie	ah broadcast, then no further questions :)
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2021-05-19 15:33:16	Habbie	is it good enough for timing?
2021-05-19 15:33:17	womalice	Habbie: sdcards or emmc?
2021-05-19 15:33:34	Habbie	womalice, SD
2021-05-19 15:33:39	womalice	Shaun: do you mean like a usb sdcard reader?
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2021-05-19 15:34:19	womalice	Habbie: you use an adapter for that i guess? 3.0?
2021-05-19 15:34:24	puff	So now we're looking at moving to EMMC for higher reliability, but that probably means less storage (or pay more to get as much storage) and more complicated deployment/update process than simply mounting and writing a bunch of SD cards. Though hopefully faster/easier deployment/updates, once it's all set up.
2021-05-19 15:34:26	Shaun	no no, that's the same problem with more problems.  just that embedded linux should usually have write-cycles in mind.   desktop & server linux is write-happy, unattended flash storage is not
2021-05-19 15:34:29	Habbie	womalice, i don't follow, the pi has an SD slot
2021-05-19 15:34:41	puff	Habbie: Worked pretty well for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0SD68j3Jg
2021-05-19 15:35:01	Habbie	puff, cool!
2021-05-19 15:35:23	Shaun	womalice, I was addressing puff's concerns of sd vs emmc, I must confess I haven't been keeping track of yours.  so I mean this in the most polite way possible, my reply wasnt' intended for you
2021-05-19 15:35:38	womalice	ok, i am clearly not getting the difference between sd and emmc. i thought the micro sd card at the bottom was emmc?
2021-05-19 15:35:50	Habbie	the pi has an sd slot
2021-05-19 15:35:53	Habbie	in it, people put SD cards
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2021-05-19 15:36:02	Habbie	emmc is something found -on- many single board computers
2021-05-19 15:36:04	Habbie	non-removable
2021-05-19 15:36:10	Shaun	the built-in storage on some variants of Compute Modules is emmc.  everything else is sdcards
2021-05-19 15:36:11	Armand	womalice: No, eMMC is quite different.
2021-05-19 15:36:31	Armand	ODroid boards typically use removable eMMC, which is nice.
2021-05-19 15:36:42	Habbie	oh neat
2021-05-19 15:36:59	Armand	Makes upgrades quick and easy, for sure.
2021-05-19 15:37:02	Habbie	yep
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2021-05-19 15:37:32	Armand	Sure, you'll have to use an SD card adapter to image the module, but.. ehh
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2021-05-19 15:37:33	womalice	in that sense you'd think emmc is pretty fast.
2021-05-19 15:37:42	Armand	It is, compared to SD.
2021-05-19 15:37:55	womalice	and compared to usb3?
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2021-05-19 15:38:02	Armand	Not sure on that.
2021-05-19 15:38:21	womalice	but the usb3 mem is faster than the onboard sdcard reader?
2021-05-19 15:38:26	Shaun	I really want to make a module that's eurocard-sized with cm4, nvme, ethernet, and not much else
2021-05-19 15:39:25	Shaun	but I've been sidetracked onto a project that's using ST's linux.  which is .. funky
2021-05-19 15:39:38	Habbie	ST?
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2021-05-19 15:39:54	womalice	i'm thinking maybe its the type of reader on the pi that is the bottleneck... probably not uhs-3
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2021-05-19 15:40:16	Shaun	I don't know if it stands for anything, ST are a micro company that make the stm32 arm line, amongst others
2021-05-19 15:40:31	Habbie	oh right :)
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2021-05-19 15:40:53	Shaun	I'm working on a project using their stm32mp1, which is two cores of arm-A7 plus one core of arm-M4
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2021-05-19 15:43:49	Shaun	it's fun though.  it feels just like a pi, right up until it doesn't.  and the project is in the industrial controller space, so they make sad faces when I say oops
2021-05-19 15:44:33	Habbie	haha
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2021-05-19 15:47:58	puff	Sorry, had to go AFK to deal with something.
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2021-05-19 15:48:33	puff	Shaun: So, see the description I gave above, for the most part they're going to be read operations, basically coordinating 64 LCD monitors playing videos simultaneously.
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2021-05-19 15:48:47	puff	Shaun: From files, in the current, SD-based prototype.
2021-05-19 15:49:22	puff	Shaun: So other than from normal OS running and occasional changes to config files or media files, no writing.
2021-05-19 15:50:10	Shaun	I'm trying to find the reddit post that sparked off this project.  without wanting to give away my employer, someone asked why all the software from <field> feels like it was written by 14yos in the 90s.  and one of the comments specifically mentioned ours, within the context of monkeys and amphetimines.
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2021-05-19 15:50:16	puff	Shaun: Trying to understand your "no no no" comment.
2021-05-19 15:50:29	puff	Shaun: Ouch.
2021-05-19 15:50:37	Shaun	so I pointed this out the product manager, and they said .. I'd like to see you do better.  so I asked for a budget.  and I got it.  I didn't expect that
2021-05-19 15:50:42	Habbie	nice
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2021-05-19 15:51:12	Shaun	so now I'm trying to make a version of one of our products that isn't a running joke.
2021-05-19 15:51:26	puff	Armand: I may need to ask you for advice/help on odroids for a different project (robot boats) in the next week or two...
2021-05-19 15:51:35	puff	Shaun: Nice!
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2021-05-19 15:54:32	puff	So that real world interruption kinda lost the thread, but... current setup uses pi4s/SD cards, identical configs/scripts/media files in duplicate on all PIs, updated via rsync/ssh.
2021-05-19 15:54:57	puff	Yay, the furniture movers I've been waiting for are here.  Gotta go.
2021-05-19 15:55:05	Habbie	good luck
2021-05-19 15:55:07	Shaun	the nice thing about the cm4 is you can pick up one with emmc and see what real-world difference it makes to you
2021-05-19 15:55:19	Armand	puff: I wouldn't... lol
2021-05-19 15:55:20	Shaun	metrics>*
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2021-05-19 15:56:35	 *	SWAT is moving to libera, hope to you see there
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2021-05-19 15:56:54	Habbie	weird
2021-05-19 15:57:24	Shaun	I'm there, but my client can happily handle multiple connections, I'll chat in whichever channel is moving
2021-05-19 15:57:24	 *	CoJaBo has already moved, but I'm staying here for the moment to tell people where everyone went :P
2021-05-19 15:57:42	Habbie	'everyone' is mostly still here :)
2021-05-19 15:57:46	Habbie	no move has been decided
2021-05-19 15:58:08	Shaun	most channels I'm in at the moment are about the 10% mark
2021-05-19 15:58:15	H__	I plan to leave here
2021-05-19 15:58:33	H__	have some other channels to migrate still
2021-05-19 15:58:55	CoJaBo	Habbie: Most channels I'm in are in the process of moving
2021-05-19 15:59:19	Shaun	I plan to go wherever "critical mass" goes. I don't care for politics. I can multi-home easily.
2021-05-19 15:59:25	Armand	"move" what?
2021-05-19 15:59:32	Habbie	about half of the channels i'm in are moving; and about half of those are moving to Libera
2021-05-19 15:59:35	Habbie	the rest is going to OFTC
2021-05-19 15:59:42	Habbie	Armand, a lot of channels are moving away from Freenode
2021-05-19 15:59:47	Armand	Ohh
2021-05-19 15:59:50	Shaun	that's the fragmentation I'm afraid of
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2021-05-19 16:00:20	Armand	Behold the barren fields in which I grow my f....
2021-05-19 16:00:26	Armand	lol
2021-05-19 16:00:45	Habbie	Shaun, as long as each channel/community/project makes one choice, i don't worry
2021-05-19 16:00:47	Shaun	that said, I'm in 12 channels and precisely one has actually made a decision so far
2021-05-19 16:00:48	CoJaBo	Fruits?
2021-05-19 16:00:57	Armand	Yes.... "fruits"...
2021-05-19 16:00:58	Armand	:P
2021-05-19 16:01:04	CoJaBo	Fungus? Frankfurters?
2021-05-19 16:01:12	CoJaBo	:P
2021-05-19 16:01:30	Shaun	and to be frank, that's 1 more than I expected.  I am curious to see where the dust settles, I'm in no rush to be the dust
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2021-05-19 16:01:48	Armand	I don't care either way.
2021-05-19 16:02:03	Armand	IRC is still dying off, slowly but surely.
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2021-05-19 16:02:22	Shaun	not sure I'd say slowly.  it died 15 years ago.  freenode is an anomaly
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2021-05-19 16:02:31	Armand	Even Discord alone does much more for me than IRC ever did.
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2021-05-19 16:02:45	Shaun	I do believe I'm too old for discord
2021-05-19 16:02:51	Armand	¬_¬
2021-05-19 16:03:00	Armand	Are you already in the grave?
2021-05-19 16:03:19	Shaun	"¬_¬" probably said more than I could
2021-05-19 16:03:23	Armand	lol
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2021-05-19 16:03:57	puff	Armand: Gotta pack up, but definitely interested in hearing more about odroid later.
2021-05-19 16:04:12	Armand	Cool.. Google is your friend.
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2021-05-19 16:17:28	womalice	ok, im going to jump into this elecrow kit, the first project is  a blinking led. how do you do these projects without powering down the pi? can you just hook up the breadboard and you're g2g? or is it still dangerous to short/touch thingS?
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2021-05-19 16:20:27	Shaun	for stuff like leds, just plug it in.  be sure of where you're connecting it, and which way around, and then just do it
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2021-05-19 16:21:12	Shaun	in theory you shouldn't touch things, but to date the only pi I've broken was run over by a wheeled chair
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2021-05-19 16:26:54	Shaun	when I say "stuff like leds" .. for things that are either on or off, I don't believe it matters.  for things that communicate, it matters more.  if in doubt, turning it off is not a bad idea
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2021-05-19 16:27:34	womalice	Shaun: what's the 'standard practice'? get your circuit together and then power it up?
2021-05-19 16:27:53	womalice	seems like it would be pretty tedious if you make a mistake here and there or want to experiment
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2021-05-19 16:29:39	Shaun	basically I want to say yes to both of those.  powering it up last is the proper way to do it.  fiddling while it's live is not the end of the world.
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2021-05-19 16:33:35	Shaun	"do as I said, not as I do" is the phrase we use here.  anyone telling you to shut it off first, probably doesn't do it themselves, they just don't want to take responsibility for you
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2021-05-19 16:59:44	womalice	Shaun: is a lil shock going to fry my pacemaker?
2021-05-19 17:00:16	womalice	how do i plug and unplug a usb w/o getting shocked when there's no case? :D
2021-05-19 17:00:17	Armand	Can do.
2021-05-19 17:00:31	Shaun	I don't know enough about pacemakers to possibly answer that.  especially given that the risks are a little more than a $30 pi
2021-05-19 17:00:53	Armand	Anyone with a pacemaker should know the risks themselves.
2021-05-19 17:00:56	womalice	well i dont have life insurance so technically it is a bigger loss
2021-05-19 17:00:56	Habbie	this channel definitely is not the place for confident advice on that topic
2021-05-19 17:01:22	Armand	Not even.
2021-05-19 17:01:49	womalice	man, i was kinda enjoying this desktop experience... but i gues its better to ssh in from my desktop eh?
2021-05-19 17:01:51	Shaun	indeed.  I'm a big fan of "break it and find out".  pacemakers are not the place for this
2021-05-19 17:01:59	womalice	haha
2021-05-19 17:02:40	womalice	well, eventually i was hoping to hook up a pi0 to it and see if i could get it to sync with my usic.
2021-05-19 17:02:49	womalice	music*
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2021-05-19 17:04:27	Tenkawa	Anyone thats running a cm4 currently.. besides the io board and power.. any other auxillary parts needed?
2021-05-19 17:04:48	Tenkawa	(already got emmc and wifi covered)
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2021-05-19 17:17:05	womalice	Tenkawa: did you have a pi before? how's the emmc compared to say usb3?
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2021-05-19 17:20:24	Tenkawa	womalice: I just got my cm4 ordered.. I have 30 or so other pi's
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2021-05-19 17:22:09	rhysperry111	Hi guys, I don't have much experience with RAID, but I am getting a bunch of hard drives soon so have been looking into a software array. My main question was what sort of CPU usage I could expect for a 5-disk RAID6 array, as many articles I've read have said it comes with a "significant" performance hit
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2021-05-19 17:22:48	rhysperry111	I should mention I have a raspberry pi 4 (OC to 2GHz)
2021-05-19 17:22:58	Tenkawa	rhysperry111: you are going to have a bigger concern keeping the drives powered unless they have external power
2021-05-19 17:23:11	rhysperry111	I'll be using an external enclosure with seperate power
2021-05-19 17:23:12	Tenkawa	and the i doesn't have a large io bus
2021-05-19 17:23:19	Tenkawa	er pi
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2021-05-19 17:24:27	Tenkawa	if you can hook it up pcie via something like a cm4 yes... via usb it will be (let me look it up)
2021-05-19 17:24:45	rhysperry111	the 4 has usb 3.0 which is 5Gbit/s theoretical
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2021-05-19 17:25:28	Tenkawa	its a single shared lane
2021-05-19 17:25:43	Tenkawa	5gb combined
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2021-05-19 17:26:09	rhysperry111	That's still ~1Gbps per drive
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2021-05-19 17:26:48	rhysperry111	It's only going to be for a self-made backup system, reliability and capacity are much higher priorities than speed
2021-05-19 17:26:52	Tenkawa	so speed should be ok.. you still need to keep an eye out for usb latency. definitely do some placement
2021-05-19 17:27:05	Tenkawa	ok then it should be ok
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2021-05-19 17:28:32	rhysperry111	I still have a question as to what sort of CPU overhead i can expect. Some articles I have seen say it's negligible on modern CPUs, and some have said that RAID6 is evil
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2021-05-19 17:30:02	Tenkawa	well cpu architectures differ vastly
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2021-05-19 17:30:52	rhysperry111	Yeah, was hoping someone here might have some real world experience
2021-05-19 17:31:11	Tenkawa	I do.. thats my point.. disks care much more about io
2021-05-19 17:31:58	Tenkawa	cpu is decison making.. io is about getting data from one place to another
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2021-05-19 18:06:43	giaco	Is this channel going to move from freenode?
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2021-05-19 18:07:11	Armand	Seems to be the drive now.
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2021-05-19 18:09:11	Tenkawa	wow it finally made slashdot
2021-05-19 18:09:15	Tenkawa	took all day
2021-05-19 18:09:21	Armand	Who?
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2021-05-19 18:10:57	wonderer	sad sad
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2021-05-19 18:12:05	ToHellWithGA	Tenkawa: slashdot lol
2021-05-19 18:14:18	Tenkawa	ToHellWithGA: usually you can count on a post fest there
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2021-05-19 18:15:34	ToHellWithGA	i thought slashdot sold out
2021-05-19 18:15:38	ToHellWithGA	like, many years ago
2021-05-19 18:15:58	Armand	Could they ever "sellout".. I don't think they had principles to sell.
2021-05-19 18:16:49	nomic	<HenryClay> ^ Freenode IRC staff resign en masse, unhappy about new management • The Register
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2021-05-19 18:17:42	ToHellWithGA	is that a real newspaper?
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2021-05-19 18:17:58	craigevil	##linux and #slack are moving, most everyone else will probably follow. already created my account on the new server
2021-05-19 18:18:02	ToHellWithGA	i don't think i know a lot of people who know of freenode who are not regular users
2021-05-19 18:18:26	ToHellWithGA	if some buttbutt takes my nick over there before i can register it i'll be disappoint-sad
2021-05-19 18:19:07	craigevil	shiny new cloak, sucks though i have been on freenode since 2004
2021-05-19 18:19:36	 *	Tenkawa thinks freshmeat would be a nice site nowadays with the advent of all these new rpi/etc projects.. too bad its gone
2021-05-19 18:19:50	 *	Tenkawa not sure how many of you been around long enough to remember that one
2021-05-19 18:19:58	nomic	yall going to libera
2021-05-19 18:20:22	Tenkawa	fm was a great place to find code
2021-05-19 18:20:32	Tenkawa	and new projects
2021-05-19 18:20:48	Armand	ToHellWithGA: Sorry.... You're too slow! >:D
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2021-05-19 18:21:54	nomic	https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/19/freenode_staff_resigns/
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2021-05-19 18:25:06	craigevil	libera even has certs like oftc
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2021-05-19 18:37:33	Snuupy	I think I found something so I can fit my 2 usb 3 wifi dongles on my rpi: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32979187216.html
2021-05-19 18:37:39	Snuupy	the dongles are too fat to fit
2021-05-19 18:37:43	Snuupy	I don't like cable extenders cus they flop around
2021-05-19 18:37:45	Snuupy	I want something stable
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2021-05-19 18:39:20	Snuupy	I'm trying to find this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000600410059.html but usb3
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2021-05-19 19:26:47	johnjay	does anybody know where the wpa/wlan0 config is?
2021-05-19 19:26:59	johnjay	i looked in /etc/network/interfaces and in /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf and see nothing
2021-05-19 19:27:05	johnjay	i want to set a static ip for wlan0
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2021-05-19 19:29:11	johnjay	i don't think i'm running dhcpcd
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2021-05-19 19:35:17	Tenkawa	you have to add it
2021-05-19 19:35:26	Tenkawa	its not there by default
2021-05-19 19:35:35	Tenkawa	in /etc/network/interfaces
2021-05-19 19:36:16	Tenkawa	as long as you arent running network manager or a gui controlled network controller
2021-05-19 19:36:44	johnjay	that's what i don't understand
2021-05-19 19:36:54	johnjay	i'm running headless, and it's connected to the wifi because i'm on it right now
2021-05-19 19:37:03	johnjay	ssh'd to it rather. so it's clearly on the network
2021-05-19 19:37:08	johnjay	but i don't see the network config anywhere
2021-05-19 19:37:28	johnjay	ps doesn't show network manager
2021-05-19 19:37:46	johnjay	i'm trying to set a static ip by the way
2021-05-19 19:38:04	Tenkawa	look for /etc/Netw* and also ps auxw | grep nm
2021-05-19 19:38:13	johnjay	i *think* i'm running xorg though
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2021-05-19 19:39:09	johnjay	i don't have either of those
2021-05-19 19:39:12	johnjay	no nm, no /etc/Network
2021-05-19 19:39:22	Tenkawa	ok thats running dhcpcd then
2021-05-19 19:39:25	johnjay	just /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf which do not refer to anything
2021-05-19 19:39:27	Tenkawa	check that
2021-05-19 19:39:31	johnjay	but i ps checked for that
2021-05-19 19:39:37	johnjay	is that somewhere else? in systemctl?
2021-05-19 19:39:50	Tenkawa	this is rpios right?
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2021-05-19 19:40:02	johnjay	i guess. it's raspbian buster
2021-05-19 19:40:07	Tenkawa	ok yeah
2021-05-19 19:40:20	Tenkawa	just a sec.. let me look at my box
2021-05-19 19:40:29	Tenkawa	(if I can find it)
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2021-05-19 19:40:34	johnjay	i just added static ip info to /etc/network/interfaces for eth0. i was about to change it to wlan0 but then iw as like wait
2021-05-19 19:41:26	Tenkawa	yeah mine is running /usr/sbin/NetworkManager
2021-05-19 19:41:50	Tenkawa	root       559  0.0  0.1 258960 15960 ?        Ssl  15:51   0:00 /usr/sbin/NetworkManager --no-daemon
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2021-05-19 19:42:27	johnjay	i don't have it in ps though.
2021-05-19 19:42:39	Tenkawa	how are you running ps?
2021-05-19 19:42:46	johnjay	from ssh
2021-05-19 19:42:58	Tenkawa	with what args?
2021-05-19 19:43:06	johnjay	aux
2021-05-19 19:43:16	Tenkawa	run it ps auxwww
2021-05-19 19:43:35	johnjay	same. only result is the grep command itself
2021-05-19 19:43:38	Tenkawa	ok
2021-05-19 19:43:41	johnjay	ps auxwww
2021-05-19 19:43:41	Tenkawa	interesting
2021-05-19 19:43:53	johnjay	yeah i have no idea what is happening
2021-05-19 19:44:06	johnjay	i greped in /boot and didn't see anything
2021-05-19 19:44:26	Tenkawa	do you have anything in /etc/network/interfaces.d?
2021-05-19 19:44:26	Shaun	is it not one of these things where ps can't show you the process name if you're not root?
2021-05-19 19:44:34	johnjay	ok i have a wpa_supplicant process running
2021-05-19 19:44:46	Tenkawa	Shaun: nah.. I just was doing it non-root
2021-05-19 19:46:13	Tenkawa	johnjay: I always just clean out interfaces and wpa_supplicant.conf and /etc/init.d/networking stop and then see who is lurking
2021-05-19 19:46:41	Tenkawa	get rid of those networking processes... fix the files and restart
2021-05-19 19:46:55	johnjay	ok. the wpa_supplicant process is getting a command argument which is /var/lib/wicd/configurations and it has some file called 123123123 with my ssid and password hash in it
2021-05-19 19:47:14	Tenkawa	ahhh its running wicd
2021-05-19 19:47:17	johnjay	what is that
2021-05-19 19:47:28	Tenkawa	another wifi configuration tool
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2021-05-19 19:48:10	Tenkawa	Wicd is a general-purpose network configuration server which aims
2021-05-19 19:48:10	Tenkawa	 to provide a simple but flexible interface for connecting to networks.
2021-05-19 19:48:21	Tenkawa	thats its description
2021-05-19 19:48:23	johnjay	ok
2021-05-19 19:48:33	johnjay	should i try to tinker with it and add my static ip i wanted
2021-05-19 19:48:39	johnjay	or delete it and try to get network manager working?
2021-05-19 19:48:39	Tenkawa	definitely
2021-05-19 19:48:54	Tenkawa	its a nice tool once you get the hang of it
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2021-05-19 19:49:54	Tenkawa	ack.. gotta run afk... bbl
2021-05-19 19:49:57	Tenkawa	good luck
2021-05-19 19:50:19	johnjay	ok thanks
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2021-05-19 20:26:45	johnjay	YES thank god it worked
2021-05-19 20:26:52	johnjay	wicd successfully used the new static ip
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2021-05-19 22:10:52	dubbie	pastebin.com/GV5SQiaT anyone know why this is failing?
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2021-05-19 22:11:18	dubbie	trying to follow the instructions in an elecrow kit. stuck trying to connect the lirc library with python
2021-05-19 22:11:28	Snert	bum kink
2021-05-19 22:11:32	Snert	link
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2021-05-19 22:12:19	dubbie	working for me...
2021-05-19 22:13:17	dubbie	might have used the wrong syntax highlighting... used bash, might want python
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2021-05-19 22:39:06	dubbie	lirc is installed but i don't see anything in the boot config
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2021-05-20 00:14:11	dubbie	what program are you supposed to use for gpio
2021-05-20 00:15:53	Armand	You would need to apply some kind of context to that question, as the GPIO is just a set of interface points.
2021-05-20 00:18:56	craigevil	take a look at the gpio book in Bookshelf or download it from magpi
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2021-05-20 03:06:04	Maik	Chunkyz: i tried the KDE version and was impressed by how smooth it runs on the Pi 4. I might switch to that in the weekend.
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2021-05-20 08:11:12	Compy_	Curious, is there currently a way on the rpi4 to mirror the display out of both HDMI ports? Specifically I'm running a headless application with kmsdrm.
2021-05-20 08:11:18	Compy_	(So no X11)
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2021-05-20 08:14:21	Compy_	Actually, upon investigation, I think this is an issue with upstream SDL2.0 as well.
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2021-05-20 09:54:36	{HD}	anyone played with Windows on Raspi? I am building arm64 installers now. I hate windows but I have an old scanner I want to use that only has windows drivers. Figured this would be an easy way to make a network scanner. I tried to use some generic drivers and CUPS but it wasn't working.
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2021-05-20 09:55:40	Habbie	{HD}, i would not count on those windows drivers to work on arm64
2021-05-20 09:56:08	{HD}	oh yea...hum...
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2021-05-20 09:58:07	leftyfb	sed 's/ drivers//g' ;)
2021-05-20 09:58:34	Chunkyz	:-D
2021-05-20 09:59:08	cybr1d	womp
2021-05-20 10:00:38	Chunkyz	wrong channel cybr1d lol
2021-05-20 10:01:08	{HD}	Habbie: well, I am halfway built on these installers so I might as well give it a shot.
2021-05-20 10:01:12	Habbie	ack
2021-05-20 10:01:12	Sharwil_	With enough time, sounds like a rewarding circumstance to practice reverse engineering and driver development.
2021-05-20 10:01:22	cybr1d	Chunkyz: says you
2021-05-20 10:02:22	{HD}	Sharwil_: ewww I don't have "enough time" as it is.
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2021-05-20 11:32:57	derzahl	anyone else unable to update eeprom on a cm4?
2021-05-20 11:33:07	derzahl	self-update is enabled
2021-05-20 11:33:26	derzahl	but tried to flash with rpiboot -d recovery
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2021-05-20 11:34:18	derzahl	tried using rpi-eeprom-update many times.  says there is a 4-29 update ready to apply and i just need to reboot
2021-05-20 11:34:35	derzahl	but after rebooting i am still on 2-16 firmware
2021-05-20 11:34:36	derzahl	https://pastebin.com/aTD8x4n9
2021-05-20 11:34:59	derzahl	also no version showing for VL805
2021-05-20 11:35:04	derzahl	do i have a bad compute module?
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2021-05-20 11:46:46	HerculeP	derzahl: that commend needs sudo to show VL805 versions (LATEST: 138a1 btw), also make sure you have BOOTLOADER RELEASE to "stable"
2021-05-20 11:47:25	HerculeP	(all for rpi4 that is, I dont have a CM$)
2021-05-20 11:47:36	HerculeP	*CM4
2021-05-20 11:48:54	Tenkawa	HerculeP: or critical now
2021-05-20 11:48:59	Tenkawa	its been updated
2021-05-20 11:49:17	HerculeP	at least not "default" ;)
2021-05-20 11:50:12	Tenkawa	he showed me yesterday and I noticed the missing info however I didnt look closely enough to notice that wasnrt sudo/root
2021-05-20 11:50:39	Tenkawa	I made the bad mistake of assuming he was sudo'ing
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2021-05-20 11:51:31	Tenkawa	oh wait
2021-05-20 11:51:34	Tenkawa	he's root
2021-05-20 11:51:51	Tenkawa	it should show up fine
2021-05-20 11:52:14	Tenkawa	VL805_FW: Using bootloader EEPROM
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2021-05-20 11:52:14	Tenkawa	     VL805: up-to-date
2021-05-20 11:52:14	Tenkawa	   CURRENT: 000138a1
2021-05-20 11:52:14	Tenkawa	    LATEST: 000138a1
2021-05-20 11:52:14	Tenkawa	root@rpi4-1:~#
2021-05-20 11:52:50	Tenkawa	thats mine
2021-05-20 11:52:53	Tenkawa	as root
2021-05-20 11:53:15	Tenkawa	something's definitely not right as he and I were dicussing
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2021-05-20 11:53:20	Tenkawa	er discussing
2021-05-20 11:53:38	HerculeP	mine too; forcing latest BOOTLOADER is easiest done by using sudo raspi-config > advanced...
2021-05-20 11:54:04	Tenkawa	I had him try a rpi-eeprom-update -a and it didn't take either
2021-05-20 11:54:29	Tenkawa	even as you notice it says
2021-05-20 11:54:29	Tenkawa	*** UPDATE AVAILABLE *** BOOTLOADER: update available
2021-05-20 11:54:36	HerculeP	CURRENT: Do 29. Apr 16:11:25 UTC 2021 (1619712685) <- that was his main issue I think
2021-05-20 11:55:49	HerculeP	reboot in that state worked well here on a rpi4 (dunno CM4)
2021-05-20 11:55:54	Tenkawa	I still dont like that VL805 is blank... that is odd (i dont have a cm4 till next monday to test though)
2021-05-20 11:56:20	Tenkawa	got one one the way :)
2021-05-20 11:56:27	Tenkawa	er on
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2021-05-20 11:59:05	derzahl	yeh, im root
2021-05-20 11:59:29	derzahl	and as Tenkawa said, i tried setting to critical, latest
2021-05-20 11:59:57	derzahl	tried pointing rpi-eeprom-update directly to the correct file
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2021-05-20 12:00:17	derzahl	and tried flashing with rpiboot
2021-05-20 12:00:17	Tenkawa	derzahl: well I'll definitely be testing it early next week...
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2021-05-20 12:01:01	derzahl	i guess i need to put my 2gb CM4 in and confirm if it has the same problem
2021-05-20 12:01:51	HerculeP	CURRENT: Do 29. Apr 16:11:25 UTC 2021 (1619712685) <- my version while on "stable"
2021-05-20 12:02:52	Tenkawa	ahh ha!!
2021-05-20 12:02:57	Tenkawa	found it!!!
2021-05-20 12:03:07	derzahl	yeh, even on stable it said 4-29 was available and ready to update
2021-05-20 12:03:14	derzahl	*just reboot*, they said
2021-05-20 12:03:22	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/computemodule/cm-emmc-flashing.md
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2021-05-20 12:03:38	Tenkawa	you "must" do it specificly with a rpiboot process
2021-05-20 12:03:50	derzahl	nah
2021-05-20 12:03:54	derzahl	i read docs
2021-05-20 12:03:58	derzahl	well...usually
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2021-05-20 12:04:05	derzahl	i tried rpiboot first:)
2021-05-20 12:04:17	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=299406
2021-05-20 12:04:26	Tenkawa	derzahl: read that thread
2021-05-20 12:04:34	Tenkawa	there's some more things
2021-05-20 12:04:40	derzahl	and also self_update is enabled so it should work with rpi-eeprom-update too
2021-05-20 12:04:45	derzahl	ah
2021-05-20 12:04:48	Tenkawa	rpi's docs aren't known for their qualit
2021-05-20 12:04:49	Tenkawa	y
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2021-05-20 12:10:48	derzahl	hmm, ok trying USE_FLASHROM=1
2021-05-20 12:13:29	derzahl	still dont work
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2021-05-20 12:15:10	SimonNL	bah
2021-05-20 12:15:43	Tenkawa	I won't be able to test until Monday
2021-05-20 12:16:26	Tenkawa	hopefully they havent put the latest and greatest eeprom on it already
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2021-05-20 12:17:12	Tenkawa	(firmware)
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2021-05-20 12:19:03	Tenkawa	have any of you seen a ramdisk handler that can load/save a ramdisk mount on boot/shutdown?
2021-05-20 12:20:41	Tenkawa	I have a lot of ram spare on a machine I was just going to convert to a ramdisk to move back and forth to disk between boot... having a handler for power on and power off would help mitigate ... oops forgot to copy it back to disk
2021-05-20 12:22:39	derzahl	Tenkawa, should be an easy init script or systemd service to write
2021-05-20 12:23:07	derzahl	dont know of anything already written though
2021-05-20 12:23:07	Tenkawa	yeah.. if I felt like writing one
2021-05-20 12:23:22	Tenkawa	that was my point..
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2021-05-20 12:24:00	derzahl	startup: rsync -av /tmpfssave /tmpfs
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2021-05-20 12:24:22	derzahl	shutown: rsync -av /tmpfs/ /tmpfssave/
2021-05-20 12:24:53	Tenkawa	btw... not putting x in there going to get you in trouble some day
2021-05-20 12:25:34	derzahl	meh, i put an x when i need an x;)
2021-05-20 12:25:37	Tenkawa	you want rsync -axp for non  interactive btw
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2021-05-20 12:26:10	Tenkawa	derzahl: if you dont put that x in there.. one typo and you've run your drives out of space
2021-05-20 12:26:51	derzahl	havent made that typo yet
2021-05-20 12:27:30	derzahl	pretty easy to know when youre dealing with a directory that may have multiple filesystems on it
2021-05-20 12:27:36	derzahl	or under it
2021-05-20 12:28:36	derzahl	but if you think youre going to mount other stuff to your ramdisk for some reason, that you dont want saved, then use an x
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2021-05-20 13:30:52	Chunkyz	c0rnelius, you about?
2021-05-20 13:31:25	c0rnelius	yup
2021-05-20 13:31:29	c0rnelius	whats up?
2021-05-20 13:31:32	Chunkyz	Failure trying to run:  /sbin/ldconfig
2021-05-20 13:31:40	Chunkyz	W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details
2021-05-20 13:31:42	c0rnelius	docker right?
2021-05-20 13:31:50	Chunkyz	nah, your git clone.
2021-05-20 13:32:09	Chunkyz	I don't use docker
2021-05-20 13:32:23	Chunkyz	I'm on 20.04.2
2021-05-20 13:32:41	c0rnelius	hmmm well I just saw that error in docker.
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2021-05-20 13:33:06	c0rnelius	Turned out to be a qemu problem.
2021-05-20 13:33:11	Chunkyz	any idea how to fix it? I'm sick of bug is manjaro lol
2021-05-20 13:33:17	Chunkyz	in*
2021-05-20 13:33:25	c0rnelius	Are you building native or cross?
2021-05-20 13:33:30	Chunkyz	cross
2021-05-20 13:33:37	c0rnelius	and the host is?
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2021-05-20 13:33:53	Chunkyz	20.04.2 amd ryzen 2600 16gb ddr4
2021-05-20 13:34:00	Chunkyz	x86
2021-05-20 13:34:14	artok	binfmt support run?
2021-05-20 13:34:31	c0rnelius	Did you `make ccompile`
2021-05-20 13:34:45	Chunkyz	c0rnelius, I did, it went through them
2021-05-20 13:35:29	c0rnelius	Well off the top of my head I don't know, but I'm about to run to the store.
2021-05-20 13:35:32	c0rnelius	go here - https://github.com/pyavitz/rootfs-tarballs/releases/tag/rootfs
2021-05-20 13:35:44	c0rnelius	I made most of those yesterday
2021-05-20 13:36:03	Chunkyz	thanks!!
2021-05-20 13:36:04	c0rnelius	just wget or download the one you want in and carry on with the build
2021-05-20 13:36:12	c0rnelius	yeap
2021-05-20 13:36:17	Chunkyz	thanks mate
2021-05-20 13:39:27	Chunkyz	qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
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2021-05-20 13:39:55	Chunkyz	'make image' after downloading the rootfs. ;P
2021-05-20 13:41:14	c0rnelius	yeah ur having a qemu issue
2021-05-20 13:41:29	Chunkyz	not fixable?
2021-05-20 13:41:52	Chunkyz	idek what qemu is lol
2021-05-20 13:42:14	c0rnelius	could install docker docker-compose and run `docker run --rm --privileged multiarch/qemu-user-static --reset -p yes`
2021-05-20 13:42:27	Chunkyz	I don't have docker
2021-05-20 13:42:27	c0rnelius	that makes all the qemu stuff multi arch
2021-05-20 13:42:28	Chunkyz	:/
2021-05-20 13:42:54	Chunkyz	so basically need to build on an rpi4?
2021-05-20 13:43:04	c0rnelius	You shouldn't no.
2021-05-20 13:43:50	Chunkyz	then how do I build? not working on focal.
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2021-05-20 13:44:16	c0rnelius	Obviously something is funky with ur install.
2021-05-20 13:44:27	Chunkyz	live image
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2021-05-20 13:44:37	c0rnelius	its live image?
2021-05-20 13:44:46	c0rnelius	thats probs why
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2021-05-20 13:44:53	Chunkyz	yeah, running from a usb stick lol
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2021-05-20 13:45:12	Chunkyz	let me install ubuntu and try (sigh)
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2021-05-20 14:02:06	Chunkyz	c0rnelius, same error on a 20.04.2 install; W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details
2021-05-20 14:02:16	Chunkyz	W: Failure trying to run:  /sbin/ldconfig lol
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2021-05-20 14:06:30	Chunkyz	defo broken mate, downloaded the rootfs and: qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - core dumped
2021-05-20 14:06:40	Chunkyz	I ran make ccompile too.
2021-05-20 14:07:04	Chunkyz	what you changed?
2021-05-20 14:07:41	Tenkawa	which builder and branch is that?
2021-05-20 14:07:51	Tenkawa	I want to test it manually
2021-05-20 14:08:06	Tenkawa	without the wrappers
2021-05-20 14:08:42	Tenkawa	I think we know "what" is broke.. its a question of "why"
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2021-05-20 14:08:55	Tenkawa	and when it got broke
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2021-05-20 14:12:05	Chunkyz	what do you mean 'what builder and branch' ?
2021-05-20 14:12:37	Chunkyz	a simple git clone of the gitlink, make rootfs fails as well as make image
2021-05-20 14:13:05	Chunkyz	I'm using focal on an amd system
2021-05-20 14:13:43	Chunkyz	trying to buld 5.10.38, bullseye ext4
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2021-05-20 14:14:50	Tenkawa	what builder? debianm,devuan, or ubuntu you are trying to build?
2021-05-20 14:14:58	Chunkyz	'bullseye'
2021-05-20 14:15:07	Tenkawa	what builder did you start with though?
2021-05-20 14:15:13	Chunkyz	what you mean?
2021-05-20 14:15:16	c0rnelius	Chunkyz: the only thing I changed was docker related and actually doesn't even need to be in the script anymore as we found out why it was hitting the error.
2021-05-20 14:15:37	c0rnelius	Anyway, I'm testing a rootfs build now on focal x86_64.
2021-05-20 14:15:49	Tenkawa	where did you get the "tool" you are using to build the image?
2021-05-20 14:15:55	Chunkyz	git clone lol
2021-05-20 14:16:02	Tenkawa	"what address"
2021-05-20 14:16:09	Tenkawa	I need exact
2021-05-20 14:16:11	c0rnelius	in the userdate file is the crosscompile=1
2021-05-20 14:16:16	Chunkyz	git clone https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder.git
2021-05-20 14:16:18	Tenkawa	we have about 5 of them
2021-05-20 14:16:23	Tenkawa	ok thank you
2021-05-20 14:16:23	Chunkyz	^
2021-05-20 14:17:45	Chunkyz	yeah
2021-05-20 14:17:48	Chunkyz	c0rnelius, it's =1
2021-05-20 14:18:42	c0rnelius	Well if ur on an actual focal install and not using a live image it should work. I'm watching it build right now as we speak.
2021-05-20 14:19:06	Chunkyz	Linux ayescott89-systemproductname 5.8.0-53-generic #60~20.04.1-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 6 09:52:46 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2021-05-20 14:19:15	Chunkyz	100% an install.
2021-05-20 14:19:44	Tenkawa	5.8?
2021-05-20 14:19:49	Tenkawa	umm
2021-05-20 14:19:55	Chunkyz	20.04 ships with 5.8
2021-05-20 14:20:00	Tenkawa	5.8 hasnt been a live kernel in ages
2021-05-20 14:20:09	Chunkyz	ships with 5.4 and updates to 5.8
2021-05-20 14:20:34	Chunkyz	blame ubuntu lol XD
2021-05-20 14:20:43	c0rnelius	Well this is what I'm at Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS (GNU/Linux 5.4.111 x86_64)
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2021-05-20 14:21:22	c0rnelius	Pretty sure the kernel Ubuntu comes with should work?
2021-05-20 14:21:56	Chunkyz	c0rnelius, you _should_ be on 5.8
2021-05-20 14:22:04	c0rnelius	I upgraded it
2021-05-20 14:22:17	c0rnelius	or down graded I should say
2021-05-20 14:23:18	c0rnelius	The buildbox, just like my laptop runs better on 5.4.y LTS.
2021-05-20 14:23:48	Chunkyz	yeah to reproduce though you need 5.8 and 20.04.2 lol
2021-05-20 14:24:51	c0rnelius	Either they are missing support for something in the kernel ur running or qemu is whacked on ur install.
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2021-05-20 14:25:39	Chunkyz	'my install' ? it's default 20.04.2 with 5.8
2021-05-20 14:27:37	c0rnelius	Chunkyz: dpkg -l | grep qemu
2021-05-20 14:28:32	Tenkawa	-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1872261632 May 20 18:27 rpi-4-debian-bullseye-5.10.38-v8-ext4-2021-05-20.img
2021-05-20 14:29:03	Tenkawa	just finished one on a completely new install of debian + docker from last night
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2021-05-20 14:29:16	c0rnelius	you should see two qemu packages installed as well you need this dpkg -l | grep binfmt-support
2021-05-20 14:29:23	Tenkawa	with one adjustment we were testing
2021-05-20 14:29:26	Chunkyz	Tenkawa, you NEED 20.04.2
2021-05-20 14:29:41	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: dont tell me what I need
2021-05-20 14:30:10	c0rnelius	there you go - 117140 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 119946048 May 20 14:29 ubuntu-focal-rootfs-aarch64.tar.xz
2021-05-20 14:30:12	Chunkyz	you're trying to 'reproduce' the error, I'm telling you what you need to do so. chill.
2021-05-20 14:30:13	c0rnelius	works fine
2021-05-20 14:30:37	Chunkyz	c0rnelius, you're _NOT_ on the same setup...
2021-05-20 14:30:39	Tenkawa	I didnt say for a second I was repproducing anything... stop assuming t hings
2021-05-20 14:30:54	c0rnelius	Just not the same kernel, but I use to be and it worked then too
2021-05-20 14:30:57	Chunkyz	'<Tenkawa> I want to test it manually'
2021-05-20 14:31:12	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: I was running this an hour ago
2021-05-20 14:31:19	Chunkyz	idc
2021-05-20 14:31:53	Chunkyz	c0rnelius, 1:4.2-3ubuntu6.16 and 1:4.2-3ubuntu6.16 for qemu
2021-05-20 14:32:38	Chunkyz	also c0rnelius binfmt-support                                2.2.0-2
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2021-05-20 14:34:02	c0rnelius	Why are you on 5.8? My kernels are defaulted to 5.4-generic. Thats what the install came with?
2021-05-20 14:34:27	Chunkyz	apt update -y && apt upgrade -y installs 5.8
2021-05-20 14:34:50	c0rnelius	Maybe thats ur problem?
2021-05-20 14:35:00	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: btw
2021-05-20 14:35:01	Tenkawa	Ubuntu 20.04 LTS, codenamed Focal Fossa, is the latest long-term support release and was released on 23 April 2020.[336] Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS was released on 6 August 2020.[337]
2021-05-20 14:35:01	Tenkawa	As an LTS release, it will provide maintenance updates for 5  years, until April 2025. This release is based on the long-term  supported Linux kernel 5.4
2021-05-20 14:35:11	Chunkyz	yes, I know Tenkawa.
2021-05-20 14:35:22	Chunkyz	c0rnelius, nah becuase it's worked on 5.8 before
2021-05-20 14:35:56	c0rnelius	Well its not the builder and there isn't anything special about my install. I barely use it really?
2021-05-20 14:36:15	c0rnelius	I mostly just build kernels on it.
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2021-05-20 14:36:43	Chunkyz	let me install again and won't upgrade, brb
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2021-05-20 14:50:19	Chunkyz	W: Failure trying to run:  /sbin/ldconfig c0rnelius
2021-05-20 14:50:47	Chunkyz	same error on a 20.04.2 install, nothing changed. didn't upgrade - just apt update so I could install hexchat.
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2021-05-20 14:52:04	Chunkyz	that's whilst running sudo make rootfs
2021-05-20 14:52:13	Chunkyz	make rootfs too, without sude.
2021-05-20 14:52:18	Chunkyz	sudo*
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2021-05-20 14:52:48	c0rnelius	sudo runs by default by the makefile anyway.
2021-05-20 14:52:54	c0rnelius	what kernel you on?
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2021-05-20 14:52:59	Chunkyz	W: Failure trying to run:  /sbin/ldconfig W: See //debootstrap/debootstrap.log for details
2021-05-20 14:53:22	Chunkyz	it seems lubuntu 20.04.2 ships with 5.8, I've not upgraded anything. :/
2021-05-20 14:53:40	Chunkyz	160 packages can be upgraded. Run 'apt list --upgradable' to see them.
2021-05-20 14:54:00	c0rnelius	cat ur config, for example: cat /boot/config-5.4.0-73-generic | grep BINFMT
2021-05-20 14:54:27	c0rnelius	it should come back with at least 4 things enabled
2021-05-20 14:54:29	Chunkyz	cat: /boot/config-5.4.0-73-generic: No such file or directory
2021-05-20 14:54:34	Tenkawa	update all of your pkgs
2021-05-20 14:54:35	c0rnelius	Yes I know
2021-05-20 14:54:37	c0rnelius	ur config
2021-05-20 14:54:42	c0rnelius	ls /boot
2021-05-20 14:54:50	Tenkawa	its way out of date
2021-05-20 14:54:54	c0rnelius	find ur config and run that grep on it
2021-05-20 14:55:06	Chunkyz	Tenkawa: ?
2021-05-20 14:55:23	Tenkawa	I think Ubuntu 20.04.2 is the culprit
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2021-05-20 14:55:35	Chunkyz	no shit. lol
2021-05-20 14:55:35	Tenkawa	its the one I can make that consistently happen to
2021-05-20 14:55:36	Chunkyz	:D
2021-05-20 14:55:50	Tenkawa	but we have a qemu fix
2021-05-20 14:56:12	Tenkawa	but update your non qemu one
2021-05-20 14:56:24	Tenkawa	apt-get dist-upgrade the pkgs and try it again
2021-05-20 14:56:32	Chunkyz	c0rnelius: cat config-5.8.0-41-generic | grep BINFMT
2021-05-20 14:56:43	Chunkyz	Tenkawa: ? I done that on the old one.
2021-05-20 14:56:47	c0rnelius	nothing came back?
2021-05-20 14:56:50	Chunkyz	the old install
2021-05-20 14:56:56	Chunkyz	and yes, no such dir c0rnelius
2021-05-20 14:57:19	c0rnelius	cat /boot/config-5.8.0-41-generic | grep BINFMT
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2021-05-20 14:57:24	Chunkyz	cat: config-5.8.0-41-generic: No such file or directory
2021-05-20 14:57:31	Tenkawa	do you have a ls -l /proc/config*
2021-05-20 14:57:47	Chunkyz	CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_COMPAT_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_SCRIPT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=m
2021-05-20 14:57:52	c0rnelius	ok good
2021-05-20 14:58:09	Tenkawa	he'll need to modprobe it
2021-05-20 14:58:24	Tenkawa	it might not be picking it up
2021-05-20 14:58:52	Chunkyz	Tenkawa: idc if I have to install another os, which do you recommend for building?
2021-05-20 14:59:05	Chunkyz	buster doesn't work, right?
2021-05-20 14:59:06	c0rnelius	Well only other suggestion I have is how we fixed it in docker. But as I never had to do this before I don't see why you would need to?
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2021-05-20 15:00:22	Tenkawa	ok testing on the behemoth
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2021-05-20 15:01:34	Chunkyz	c0rnelius: it's _also_ worked on a live install, fyi. I tried before I started playing with manjaro because I didn't have ub installed and only win10
2021-05-20 15:01:59	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: this only started breaking in the last few days
2021-05-20 15:02:06	Chunkyz	yeah
2021-05-20 15:02:17	Chunkyz	c0rnelius said it's not the builder though
2021-05-20 15:02:27	Chunkyz	brb gotta reboot
2021-05-20 15:02:36	Tenkawa	I just ran a debian build end to end
2021-05-20 15:02:41	Tenkawa	no problems
2021-05-20 15:03:27	Tenkawa	ubuntu 20.04 host seems to be the culprit so far
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2021-05-20 15:04:06	c0rnelius	I think he should try the multiarch binaries
2021-05-20 15:04:32	Tenkawa	indeed
2021-05-20 15:06:25	Chunkyz	Tenkawa: what host os?
2021-05-20 15:06:41	c0rnelius	You still on Focal?
2021-05-20 15:06:55	Chunkyz	after dist-upgrade and rebooted: W: Failure trying to run:  /sbin/ldconfig
2021-05-20 15:07:03	Chunkyz	c0rnelius: yeah
2021-05-20 15:07:06	c0rnelius	Do this `sudo apt install docker docker-compose`
2021-05-20 15:07:07	Chunkyz	damn thing
2021-05-20 15:07:09	Chunkyz	:-D
2021-05-20 15:07:23	c0rnelius	then this `sudo usermod -aG docker $USER`
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2021-05-20 15:07:42	Chunkyz	done
2021-05-20 15:07:45	c0rnelius	and then this `docker run --rm --privileged multiarch/qemu-user-static --reset -p yes`
2021-05-20 15:08:09	c0rnelius	It should download a bunch stuff and show you what it installed when its done.
2021-05-20 15:08:27	Chunkyz	done
2021-05-20 15:08:33	Chunkyz	make rootfs now sec
2021-05-20 15:08:42	c0rnelius	After that `make cleanup` `make rootfs`
2021-05-20 15:08:51	c0rnelius	See if it fails then
2021-05-20 15:08:51	Chunkyz	yeah sec
2021-05-20 15:09:19	Chunkyz	net is being a bit slow, downloading ps5 games lol
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2021-05-20 15:10:03	Chunkyz	'installing core packages'
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2021-05-20 15:10:12	c0rnelius	Sounds like a winner
2021-05-20 15:10:16	Chunkyz	didn't say that before, error'd way before.
2021-05-20 15:10:42	c0rnelius	Yeah... there is something wrong with Ubuntu's qemu all of sudden.
2021-05-20 15:10:44	Tenkawa	qemu pkgs were missing
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2021-05-20 15:10:56	c0rnelius	I believe it got updated recently and broke something
2021-05-20 15:10:56	Tenkawa	it didnt install all of the arch links
2021-05-20 15:11:11	Tenkawa	I noticed it do that
2021-05-20 15:11:12	Chunkyz	unpacking base system now :) c0rnelius do I need this for building on an rpi4?
2021-05-20 15:11:20	c0rnelius	No
2021-05-20 15:11:22	Chunkyz	cheers btw!
2021-05-20 15:11:33	c0rnelius	You shouldn't I would hope.
2021-05-20 15:11:36	Chunkyz	thanks again. :)
2021-05-20 15:11:41	c0rnelius	ur welcome
2021-05-20 15:11:47	Chunkyz	thanks Tenkawa :)
2021-05-20 15:12:06	Tenkawa	np
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2021-05-20 15:14:08	SilentMutiny	My local YMCA has a raspberry pi plugged into the back of a TV. I always wonder what it is doing? Pi-hole maybe? TV just has news on.
2021-05-20 15:16:36	Encrypt	SilentMutiny, It might be running Kodi
2021-05-20 15:17:12	Encrypt	Which is a media player (it would therefore display live TV)
2021-05-20 15:17:31	SilentMutiny	Interesting, can Kodi play local news channels?
2021-05-20 15:17:35	Habbie	the live tv could definitely be coming over the internet
2021-05-20 15:17:43	Habbie	if Kodi can't, then the browser usually can :)
2021-05-20 15:18:07	SilentMutiny	I actually have a project at work I wanted to do with a raspberry pi. If Kodi can stream news that would solve it easily.
2021-05-20 15:18:34	Habbie	i don't know much about Kodi, except it appears to have plugins for just about anything
2021-05-20 15:18:45	Habbie	but if Kodi can't do it, something else probably can
2021-05-20 15:18:54	Habbie	so, figure out if you can stream your news from some website
2021-05-20 15:18:56	Habbie	and take it from there
2021-05-20 15:19:29	Stanto	Kodi can be a front-end for 'tvheadend' which is over-network software for syndicating live television from say, a television dongle or add-on
2021-05-20 15:19:43	Habbie	oh, right, that's a thing too
2021-05-20 15:19:55	Habbie	then it's not coming over the internet, but from other hardware inside the house/office/...
2021-05-20 15:20:03	Stanto	tvheadend could be hosted anywhere
2021-05-20 15:20:26	SilentMutiny	Very interesting. I'm new to Pi and Linux in general. All I have done with my personal PI was PLEX and NAS.
2021-05-20 15:20:35	Stanto	Alternatively it could, as said, be an rtmp stream from the local news service/server
2021-05-20 15:20:49	Stanto	Plex could also be running on it and also serving tvheadend or other similar.
2021-05-20 15:20:59	Habbie	Stanto, right, also true :)
2021-05-20 15:21:39	SilentMutiny	Wait I could just use PLEX... That way media could be loaded and playlists created for display. Mother of god thank you IRC!
2021-05-20 15:21:57	Stanto	or vlc player.
2021-05-20 15:22:05	 *	Stanto shrugs
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2021-05-20 15:48:27	Chunkyz	c0rnelius: I'm stuck at 'first boot'
2021-05-20 15:49:21	c0rnelius	does tell me very much :)
2021-05-20 15:49:52	Chunkyz	A start job is running for First Boot
2021-05-20 15:49:52	c0rnelius	ubuntu?
2021-05-20 15:49:58	Chunkyz	Bullseye
2021-05-20 15:51:30	c0rnelius	Well firstboot doesn't do very much but resize the partiton and clean some things... It never made it to credentials?
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2021-05-20 15:52:49	Chunkyz	Nope
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2021-05-20 15:53:09	Chunkyz	I'll flash again lol
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2021-05-20 15:53:33	c0rnelius	I did adjust the credentials script but thats all. I can create test image and see what its doing.
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2021-05-20 15:55:53	Chunkyz	Sec just flashing
2021-05-20 15:56:50	c0rnelius	btrfs or ext4?
2021-05-20 15:57:53	c0rnelius	It will only take me a few minutes to spit out an image. In the mean time I'll test the buster imgs I made yesterday.
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2021-05-20 16:01:25	Chunkyz	Ext4 and still the same, stuck at first boot. .38 kernel
2021-05-20 16:02:51	c0rnelius	Alright well give me a sec. I just checked the buster img and it came right up.
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2021-05-20 16:03:51	c0rnelius	its cooking
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2021-05-20 16:05:05	c0rnelius	you make any changes to the kernel build or just pull one down?
2021-05-20 16:05:14	Chunkyz	Make 2711 lol
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2021-05-20 16:05:46	c0rnelius	K good thats what I'm using.
2021-05-20 16:06:04	Chunkyz	6 minutes so far at first boot lol
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2021-05-20 16:09:03	Chunkyz	9 minutes and going up xD
2021-05-20 16:09:25	c0rnelius	looks like there is a new eeprom release 12.4
2021-05-20 16:09:37	Chunkyz	Yeah
2021-05-20 16:09:40	c0rnelius	you booting this off usb?
2021-05-20 16:09:46	Chunkyz	Yep
2021-05-20 16:10:08	Chunkyz	Usb3 to sata ssd
2021-05-20 16:10:31	Tenkawa	c0rnelius: beta but some nice additions
2021-05-20 16:10:38	c0rnelius	the img is compressing, give it a minute. You don't have a sd to test to see if its usb related?
2021-05-20 16:10:42	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: you logged on to libre by chance?
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2021-05-20 16:12:05	Chunkyz	Sure do c0rnelius, should I flash it? And no Tenkawa I'm on mobile
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2021-05-20 16:13:16	Tenkawa	ok.. I have the command ready I need for you to run over there whenever you can so I can re-reg it
2021-05-20 16:13:39	Encrypt	SilentMutiny, Habbie, Stanto, As far as I'm concerned, I use Kodi at home, with a Raspberry Pi 3 B+
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2021-05-20 16:14:05	Encrypt	I added the official "TV Hat" to watch live TV from DVB
2021-05-20 16:14:09	Tenkawa	FAT12 support for small bootloader ramdisk images.
2021-05-20 16:14:12	Tenkawa	wow
2021-05-20 16:14:16	Tenkawa	nice
2021-05-20 16:14:53	Encrypt	For those of you who are not aware that a TV Hat was built: https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-tv-hat/
2021-05-20 16:15:07	Encrypt	It works very well
2021-05-20 16:16:08	Chunkyz	c0rnelius: no worries! It's working. Silly me forgot I had a blank sdcard in because I was using 5.12 and no SD poll lol sorry!!!!
2021-05-20 16:16:15	Encrypt	And with tha setup, we're able to record movies that are played on live (DVB) TV so that we go to bed early and watch them during the weekend
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2021-05-20 16:17:32	Tenkawa	Encrypt: thats pretty slick
2021-05-20 16:17:55	c0rnelius	Chunkyz: all good
2021-05-20 16:18:45	c0rnelius	The first book script checks for mmcblk0 and 1 along with sda1 so the script probs got confused when it found two things and one was blank.
2021-05-20 16:19:26	c0rnelius	Sounds like it tried to grow something with nothing on it.
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2021-05-20 16:25:40	clever	c0rnelius: ooo, erase_eeprom=1 looks nice
2021-05-20 16:26:02	clever	c0rnelius: in the past, i had to make a .bin that was all nulls, but plain erase is better
2021-05-20 16:27:02	c0rnelius	clever: I haven't looked it over yet. Good to know though. Just saw it pulled when the img was being made ;)
2021-05-20 16:29:53	clever	c0rnelius: i also see a rather fishy "tftp - reply to duplicate acks" which might explain my tftp bugs
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2021-05-20 16:31:52	Stanto	Encrypt, TV hat only works in the UK from what I recall.
2021-05-20 16:32:05	Encrypt	In France it works as well
2021-05-20 16:32:15	clever	what exactly does the tv hat do?
2021-05-20 16:32:17	Habbie	DVB-T2? should work in Germany and .nl as well
2021-05-20 16:32:27	Habbie	only five channels in .nl, but still
2021-05-20 16:32:29	Stanto	clever, it's a television signal receiver
2021-05-20 16:32:30	Habbie	one of those is the local news
2021-05-20 16:32:46	Encrypt	clever, Yeah, it's basically a TV tuner
2021-05-20 16:32:51	clever	Stanto: what can it capture? how does the data get into the pi?
2021-05-20 16:33:01	Encrypt	Via an external antenna
2021-05-20 16:33:12	clever	composite, hd, qam?
2021-05-20 16:33:36	Stanto	clever, https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-tv-hat/
2021-05-20 16:33:41	Habbie	clever, it's digital
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2021-05-20 16:33:59	Stanto	Your typical digital television stream is mpeg-2
2021-05-20 16:34:11	Stanto	Or some variant there of
2021-05-20 16:34:15	Tenkawa	we can get about 15 digital OTA unencrypted signals in my town here in the states
2021-05-20 16:34:18	clever	Stanto: yeah, ive delt with mpegts over rtp before
2021-05-20 16:34:35	clever	looks like the final IO is done over plain gpio
2021-05-20 16:34:37	Tenkawa	i have a antenna plugged up to mv tv now
2021-05-20 16:34:53	Tenkawa	a lot of those are subchannels on the main
2021-05-20 16:35:41	Tenkawa	but I get 3-4 main news sources with weather which is what I need when I really need an antenna
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2021-05-20 16:37:14	Stanto	huh czech republic does dvb-t2 based on h265 apparently
2021-05-20 16:37:29	clever	*looks*
2021-05-20 16:38:31	clever	Stanto: https://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fibreop
2021-05-20 16:38:46	clever	     PID 0022 (  34) -> Stream type 1b ( 27) H.264/14496-10 video (MPEG-4/AVC)
2021-05-20 16:38:50	clever	     PID 0021 (  33) -> Stream type 04 (  4) 13818-3 audio (MPEG-2)
2021-05-20 16:39:14	Stanto	Germany apparently does 1080p50/720p50/540p50 hevc
2021-05-20 16:39:48	clever	for my local service, audio/video gets wrapped up in mpegts packets
2021-05-20 16:40:02	clever	several mpegts are then shoved into an rtp+udp packet
2021-05-20 16:40:11	clever	the whole mess is then fired off to a multicast group
2021-05-20 16:40:39	clever	if you subscribe to the right multicast group (one per channel), then you get a flood of traffic for that channel
2021-05-20 16:41:08	Stanto	A lot of fun comments https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/raspberry-pi-tv-hat/
2021-05-20 16:41:08	clever	the network gear in town deals with replicating traffic along the path, so every member gets a copy, and it doesnt overload the source port
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2021-05-20 16:56:51	derzahl	hey, anyone with a CM4 successfully update firmware?  I've got two of them and neither one updates.  Ive tried rpiboot, i tried rpi-eeprom-update with selfupdate enabled and every options i can find.
2021-05-20 16:57:08	derzahl	it creates the files under /boot.  tells me to reboot to upgrade.   but then it never does
2021-05-20 16:57:36	derzahl	is there a way i can view logs of the eeprom update process somehow?  to figure out what is going wrong?
2021-05-20 16:59:52	ShorTie	did you try using raspi-config to adjust it ??
2021-05-20 17:00:23	derzahl	yes, tried that too
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2021-05-20 17:01:28	ShorTie	hmmm, i'd say it's forum time
2021-05-20 17:03:14	clever	derzahl: recovery.bin in /boot is disabled, because that could basically brick it
2021-05-20 17:03:24	clever	derzahl: it can only be updated with rpiboot and the nrpiboot jumper
2021-05-20 17:03:45	clever	derzahl: how did rpiboot fail?
2021-05-20 17:06:13	Tenkawa	clever: not sure if he mentioned it or not but rpi-eeprom also lists "no" info for the VL805
2021-05-20 17:06:20	Tenkawa	its blank
2021-05-20 17:06:38	clever	Tenkawa: thats to be expected, the vl805 and its eeprom are entirely missing
2021-05-20 17:07:43	Tenkawa	ok. they should really update the script to read that.. (I know they can based on hardware codes)
2021-05-20 17:08:03	Tenkawa	its very misleading
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2021-05-20 17:08:44	Tenkawa	clever: btw I got a cm4 on the way will be here Mon
2021-05-20 17:08:49	clever	nice
2021-05-20 17:09:14	Tenkawa	yeah I got lucky. picked up a 4gb ram 32gb emmc
2021-05-20 17:09:24	Tenkawa	plenty for me
2021-05-20 17:09:54	Tenkawa	being able to get it and the io board from same vendor had been the problem
2021-05-20 17:10:11	Tenkawa	finally succeeded
2021-05-20 17:10:27	clever	Tenkawa: there is already code to detect if it should exist: https://github.com/raspberrypi/rpi-eeprom/blob/master/rpi-eeprom-update#L337-L341
2021-05-20 17:10:46	clever	ah wait, but thats for the eeprom, not the vl805 itself
2021-05-20 17:11:11	derzahl	clever: nrpiboot jumper?  hmm...first ive heard of it
2021-05-20 17:11:13	derzahl	let me look
2021-05-20 17:11:33	clever	derzahl: yeah, you need to move a jumper on the IO board for rpiboot to work at that stage
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2021-05-20 17:12:04	Tenkawa	clever: but you see my point.. it "should" be doable then they could make probably a 2 line code change to not show the VL805 output
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2021-05-20 17:13:05	clever	yeah
2021-05-20 17:13:05	derzahl	man, i really wish they sent me a jumper selector with at least one of my io boards.  basturds
2021-05-20 17:14:09	Tenkawa	its just afterall:
2021-05-20 17:14:11	Tenkawa	file /usr/bin/rpi-eeprom-update
2021-05-20 17:14:11	Tenkawa	/usr/bin/rpi-eeprom-update: POSIX shell script, ASCII text executable
2021-05-20 17:14:12	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-20 17:14:25	clever	yep, the source is above
2021-05-20 17:14:29	derzahl	been getting by with this though...ugh https://ded.haus/_matrix/media/r0/download/ded.haus/aqqGRnwwmwaimoYfJSVLXTju
2021-05-20 17:14:32	Chunkyz	Tenkawa: you got the IO board too?
2021-05-20 17:14:43	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: of course
2021-05-20 17:14:54	Chunkyz	nice! hard to find them.
2021-05-20 17:15:13	Tenkawa	yeah that was the problem.. finding both at the same place
2021-05-20 17:15:25	Tenkawa	i wanted to deal with vendor
2021-05-20 17:15:29	Tenkawa	er one
2021-05-20 17:16:04	Chunkyz	hopefully I'll get mine from 'thepihut' but doubt it
2021-05-20 17:16:17	Tenkawa	why do you say that?
2021-05-20 17:16:27	Chunkyz	never in bloody stock lol
2021-05-20 17:16:46	Chunkyz	sell one without like a minute
2021-05-20 17:16:52	Chunkyz	sell out*
2021-05-20 17:16:57	derzahl	oh, nrpiboot is the 'disable emmc boot' one
2021-05-20 17:17:00	Chunkyz	within*
2021-05-20 17:17:02	derzahl	thats ive been using all along
2021-05-20 17:17:03	Chunkyz	my typing bad
2021-05-20 17:17:09	derzahl	so no, that doesnt work either
2021-05-20 17:17:17	derzahl	but let me try it onnnne more time
2021-05-20 17:17:17	Tenkawa	if you were in the states I'd recommend pishop
2021-05-20 17:17:26	Tenkawa	they have them atm
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2021-05-20 17:18:39	derzahl	i just got an 8GB CM4 from digikey.com
2021-05-20 17:18:48	derzahl	couldnt believe it
2021-05-20 17:19:06	derzahl	first one was bad so i had to get a new one.  they had like 11 left
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2021-05-20 17:19:10	derzahl	that was two days ago
2021-05-20 17:19:20	clever	i would want to get an 8gig model, so you have the most flexibility
2021-05-20 17:19:30	clever	you can always emulate the smaller ones with the total_mem= option
2021-05-20 17:19:31	derzahl	clever, ok, so ive got usbboot checked out from git
2021-05-20 17:19:39	derzahl	ive got the recovery directory
2021-05-20 17:19:51	derzahl	i had previously copied the firmware i want there
2021-05-20 17:19:54	Tenkawa	clever: the 8gb ram bcm2711 socs are still a flaky compared to the 4's
2021-05-20 17:20:11	clever	Tenkawa: the soc or the ram? i thought they had an identical soc
2021-05-20 17:20:24	derzahl	to recovery/pieeprom.bin. recreated pieeprom.sig
2021-05-20 17:20:39	derzahl	then i just run './rpiboot -d recovery'
2021-05-20 17:20:40	derzahl	right?
2021-05-20 17:20:46	clever	derzahl: yep
2021-05-20 17:21:06	derzahl	let me just regrab the firmware just to make sure
2021-05-20 17:21:07	clever	derzahl: if you used the nrpiboot jumper right, the soc will appear in lsusb
2021-05-20 17:21:24	Tenkawa	clever: no.. the bcm2711 8gb model itself in general vs the 4gb for unspecified reasons are much less stable
2021-05-20 17:21:29	derzahl	where is the best place to get the firmware from?
2021-05-20 17:21:44	Tenkawa	clever: mine I agree with
2021-05-20 17:21:45	clever	derzahl: i get it from https://github.com/raspberrypi/rpi-eeprom
2021-05-20 17:22:41	Tenkawa	if you are getting firmware from anywhere else UAYOR
2021-05-20 17:22:41	derzahl	ok, so grabbing this https://github.com/raspberrypi/rpi-eeprom/blob/master/firmware/critical/pieeprom-2021-04-29.bin
2021-05-20 17:23:20	derzahl	cp pieeprom-2021-04-29.bin pieeprom.bin
2021-05-20 17:23:34	derzahl	./update-pieeprom.sh
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2021-05-20 17:24:44	dubbie	hrrmmm, when using button.is_pressed my output doesn't change, but it works fine using button.wait_for_press()
2021-05-20 17:25:13	derzahl	./rpiboot -d recovery
2021-05-20 17:25:21	derzahl	green screen. all good
2021-05-20 17:25:27	clever	derzahl: 04-29.bin pieeprom.bin
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2021-05-20 17:25:38	clever	derzahl: oops, update-pieeprom.sh is just for updating the bootconf.txt inside the .bin
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2021-05-20 17:26:20	derzahl	?
2021-05-20 17:26:37	derzahl	update-pieeprom.sh regenerates pieeprom.sig i believe
2021-05-20 17:26:42	clever	that too
2021-05-20 17:26:47	derzahl	i didnt use it the first time and regenerated it manually
2021-05-20 17:27:02	clever	ive got my own scripts for doing that
2021-05-20 17:27:15	derzahl	rpi-eeprom-update
2021-05-20 17:27:15	derzahl	*** UPDATE AVAILABLE ***
2021-05-20 17:27:15	derzahl	BOOTLOADER: update available
2021-05-20 17:27:15	derzahl	   CURRENT: Tue Feb 16 13:23:36 UTC 2021 (1613481816)
2021-05-20 17:27:18	derzahl	dammit
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2021-05-20 17:27:54	clever	derzahl: what is the update it claims to have?
2021-05-20 17:28:01	derzahl	ok, let me try this on my 2gb CM4 again and see if it works there
2021-05-20 17:28:13	derzahl	Thu Apr 29 16:11:25 UTC 2021 (1619712685)
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2021-05-20 17:28:53	clever	do you have a 3.3v uart adapter?
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2021-05-20 17:30:10	derzahl	umm. is that one of the 3-pin serial thingys?
2021-05-20 17:30:15	clever	yeah
2021-05-20 17:30:22	derzahl	yeh, ive got one...somewhere
2021-05-20 17:30:27	clever	that makes the debug a lot better
2021-05-20 17:30:48	clever	change the bootconf.txt to have BOOT_UART=1 and then watch the serial any time your booting
2021-05-20 17:31:36	derzahl	ok, cool.  ill try that next
2021-05-20 17:31:37	Chunkyz	how does cooling work with a CM4?
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2021-05-20 17:32:00	derzahl	i just ordered a heat sink for mine but it hasnt overheated at all
2021-05-20 17:32:14	derzahl	even with back to back hours long compiles
2021-05-20 17:32:18	clever	the CM4 and pi400 both have a newer revision of the soc, that runs cooler at the same load
2021-05-20 17:33:18	Chunkyz	a lot cooler or just a bit?
2021-05-20 17:33:32	Tenkawa	clever: hey I found one of your old posts. could this flag have anything to do with it? ENABLE_SELF_UPDATE
2021-05-20 17:33:43	derzahl	2gb CM4 didnt update either
2021-05-20 17:33:44	derzahl	hmm
2021-05-20 17:33:56	derzahl	ok...ill look for that UART adapter
2021-05-20 17:33:57	dubbie	is button.is_pressed deprecated or something? can't get it to work any which way. even following the gpiozero doc
2021-05-20 17:34:31	clever	Tenkawa: that lets the bootloader code re-flash itself, when it finds a pieeprom.bin on something its booting from
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2021-05-20 17:34:56	Tenkawa	so he "could" update it that way
2021-05-20 17:35:20	clever	but only after you successfully update some other way first
2021-05-20 17:35:42	clever	flashrom is the most direct way to update, but support is deprecated, so you have to dig out some older versions of the scripts
2021-05-20 17:35:44	Tenkawa	oh its not toggleable?
2021-05-20 17:35:52	clever	it can be toggled
2021-05-20 17:36:02	clever	but you have to re-flash it to toggle it
2021-05-20 17:36:06	clever	and if you cant reflash it, how do you reflash it?
2021-05-20 17:36:21	derzahl	btw, anyone know if theres any benchmarks out there on how the rpi4 handles various compression algorithms?
2021-05-20 17:36:25	Tenkawa	yeah. i was hoping without flasjing
2021-05-20 17:36:26	derzahl	couldnt find anything
2021-05-20 17:36:56	Tenkawa	(thought it might just be a config.txt setting)
2021-05-20 17:37:14	clever	Tenkawa: any setting in all caps, belongs in bootconf.txt, in the spi flash
2021-05-20 17:37:22	Tenkawa	well darn
2021-05-20 17:38:02	Tenkawa	once I get mine I'll learn the inner workings.. but until then... can't do much
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2021-05-20 17:38:30	clever	Tenkawa: at the lowest level, you have the boot rom in the soc itself
2021-05-20 17:38:40	clever	for the bcm2711 boot rom, it can only boot from 3 sources
2021-05-20 17:38:53	clever	1: recovery.bin on the SD interface (external or emmc), on a fat32 partition
2021-05-20 17:39:03	clever	2: bootcode.bin in the spi flash
2021-05-20 17:39:06	Tenkawa	I get a feeling I'll be dedicating one of my 3 uart/ttl cables to it
2021-05-20 17:39:06	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-20 17:39:11	clever	3: the rpiboot protocol, with the dwc2 controller in gadget mode
2021-05-20 17:39:22	clever	Tenkawa: that make sense so far?
2021-05-20 17:39:26	Tenkawa	yep
2021-05-20 17:39:36	clever	which of those 3 are active, is configured via OTP fuses
2021-05-20 17:39:45	clever	and i hear that the emmc based CM4's have #1 disabled
2021-05-20 17:40:09	clever	the nrpiboot jumper, causes #2 to fail somehow
2021-05-20 17:40:17	clever	so it lands in #3, and you can push code over usb
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2021-05-20 17:40:46	clever	for both #1 and #3, you can load the official recovery.bin program, which will then re-flash things
2021-05-20 17:40:51	derzahl	yeh, sdcard slot no-worky. took me too many hours to figure that out.  after getting my CM4 and thinking i could just give it a quick test by using my sd card from my rpi4b
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2021-05-20 17:41:06	clever	derzahl: if you have emmc, then the sd slot isnt even wired up
2021-05-20 17:41:28	clever	https://github.com/raspberrypi/usbboot/tree/master/recovery
2021-05-20 17:41:45	clever	for extra fun, the bootcode4.bin in here, is just a copy of recovery.bin that has been renamed
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2021-05-20 17:42:30	clever	when launching recovery.bin from #1, it will search for pieeprom.{bin,upd} on the sd card, and flash from that
2021-05-20 17:42:38	clever	when launching from #3, it will request those files over usb, and flash
2021-05-20 17:43:08	clever	if it found a pieeprom.upd on the sd card, it will rename recovery.bin after flashing, and reboot
2021-05-20 17:43:10	Tenkawa	clever: I just looked and confirmed.. if you have emmc.... no microsd for you
2021-05-20 17:43:16	clever	yep
2021-05-20 17:43:25	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=305506
2021-05-20 17:43:42	Tenkawa	doesn't hurt my feelings :)
2021-05-20 17:43:43	clever	rpi-eeprom-update uses pieeprom.upd, so after a successfull flashing, it breaks recovery.bin (renamed), and boots normally
2021-05-20 17:44:02	Tenkawa	I would much rather have emmc
2021-05-20 17:44:17	clever	you can potentially still get an sd card, on the gpio header
2021-05-20 17:44:29	Tenkawa	or microsb to usb
2021-05-20 17:44:35	Tenkawa	er microsd
2021-05-20 17:45:02	clever	if you have the official firmware in the SPI, then things continue
2021-05-20 17:45:11	clever	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2711_bootloader_config.md
2021-05-20 17:45:21	Tenkawa	I plan on keeping official firmware
2021-05-20 17:45:36	Tenkawa	but no microsd anyway
2021-05-20 17:45:45	clever	ENABLE_SELF_UPDATE allows it to re-flash itself from anything it can boot from (sd, usb, network, rpiboot)
2021-05-20 17:46:02	clever	when self-updating, it will respect the timestamp in the .sig file
2021-05-20 17:46:11	Tenkawa	at most I would put a pcie to nvme/m.2 adapter in
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2021-05-20 17:46:14	clever	[nix-shell:~/apps/rpi/lk-overlay]$ cat ~/tftp/d328cdce/pieeprom.sig
2021-05-20 17:46:14	clever	2e60223691a77671d0ccc39aebedd278c66380b42199621c1aee26398be5e632
2021-05-20 17:46:14	clever	ts: 3
2021-05-20 17:46:22	Tenkawa	and run faster storage
2021-05-20 17:46:36	clever	Tenkawa: any time the SPI is flashed, thie timestamp is put into the last 32bits of the flash chip
2021-05-20 17:46:48	clever	and self-update will only run if the new timestamp is greater then the current
2021-05-20 17:46:49	Tenkawa	why the last 32?
2021-05-20 17:47:02	clever	so its as far out of the way as possible
2021-05-20 17:47:04	clever	and doesnt care about the other contents
2021-05-20 17:47:13	Tenkawa	ah just a "design"
2021-05-20 17:47:17	clever	yeah
2021-05-20 17:47:29	clever	rpi-eeprom-update uses unix timestamps for that
2021-05-20 17:47:41	clever	so only if the clock is further ahead then the last config, will it update
2021-05-20 17:47:49	Tenkawa	ahh ok that would keep them from overlapping
2021-05-20 17:48:02	clever	but you can also just use sequence numbers, like dns updates
2021-05-20 17:48:17	clever	given the .sig above, the pi will only be able to self-update if the .sig contains a 4 or greater
2021-05-20 17:48:19	Tenkawa	uggh dont get me started on dns sequencing
2021-05-20 17:48:41	Tenkawa	zone updates are a nightmare
2021-05-20 17:48:48	clever	recovery.bin ignores the timestamp checking, allowing a "downgrade"
2021-05-20 17:49:02	clever	but still writes the timestamp to flash
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2021-05-20 17:49:43	clever	BOOT_ORDER controls what order it will search thru devices, in its attempt to find either a pieeprom.{bin,upd} or a start4.elf
2021-05-20 17:49:48	Tenkawa	uggh someone is cooking something outside and its not fair
2021-05-20 17:50:24	clever	1 says to boot over the sd interface (uSD or emmc)
2021-05-20 17:50:27	clever	2 is netboot
2021-05-20 17:50:44	clever	3 is rpiboot (so the SPI can pull firmware, and kernel.img over usb, from a host)
2021-05-20 17:50:54	clever	4 is usb boot over the vl805
2021-05-20 17:51:06	clever	5 is usb boot over the internal xhci controller, and the usb hub on the cm4io
2021-05-20 17:51:18	clever	6 boots from a fat32 on an nvme drive!!
2021-05-20 17:51:43	clever	BOOT_ORDER=0x5241
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2021-05-20 17:52:02	clever	Tenkawa: and you can shove several together, this will try to boot from sd, usb, network, and then the other usb
2021-05-20 17:52:19	Tenkawa	heheheh
2021-05-20 17:52:36	clever	gpio conditionals also work
2021-05-20 17:52:51	clever	gpio=21=ip,pu
2021-05-20 17:52:51	clever	[gpio21=0]
2021-05-20 17:52:51	clever	BOOT_ORDER=0x3
2021-05-20 17:53:05	clever	with this, the BOOT_ORDER will change to rpiboot, if i pull a given pin low with a jumper
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2021-05-20 17:53:23	clever	then /boot can live on another machine, and it can self-update over that
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2021-05-20 18:50:25	ComCat	IMPORTANT NOTICE: Hi Ops. Please update the topic to point to the new server (libera.chat). Thank you. Current situation: crown prince of korea and co-founder of MtGox (bitcoin exit-scam) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox#Bankruptcy;_stolen_bitcoin_(2014%E2%80%93ongoing) - has now full control over Freenode and has destaffed ALL the staffers you knew. The staffers have founded and
2021-05-20 18:50:26	ComCat	moved to Libera.chat. Sponsors of Freenode are beginning to pull out, it is unknown for how long the freenode will be stable. Most channels, projects and users are now migrating to Libera. Libera is a registered non-profit organization with mitigations against this disaster happening ever again. Leaked chats showing disgusting intents and former devs that have worked with Mr.Lee before says that he's disorganized, dishonest and that they
2021-05-20 18:50:26	ComCat	wish to never work with him again (he managed to scam freenode out of our hands and he lied to the staffers). All officiall freenode channels are now currently under complete censorship. https://distfiles.dereferenced.org/stuff/nirvana-log.txt  - https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 - Please update your topic to point to the new server if you haven't done so already. This message is to inform the users
2021-05-20 18:50:31	ComCat	about the situation if the topic is set already. Spread this message too.
2021-05-20 18:50:41	Armand	Off topic
2021-05-20 18:51:41	Armand	Your toxic propaganda isn't appreciated and doesn't help anyone.
2021-05-20 18:52:31	ComCat	not propaganda or toxic
2021-05-20 18:52:35	ComCat	pure truth and information
2021-05-20 18:52:39	Armand	Offtopic.
2021-05-20 18:52:49	ComCat	Don't care.
2021-05-20 18:52:57	Armand	Also, entirely toxic to the point of what the staff are trying to do.
2021-05-20 18:52:58	ComCat	people have the right to know.
2021-05-20 18:53:03	Armand	You. Are. Not. Helping.
2021-05-20 18:53:14	ComCat	what staff? They were all fired by the new owner :)
2021-05-20 18:53:15	Armand	In fact, you're doing the opposite.
2021-05-20 18:53:18	Armand	Liar.
2021-05-20 18:53:19	ComCat	some resigned, rest got destaffed
2021-05-20 18:54:25	Armand	gordonDrogon - Sorry..
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2021-05-21 05:18:44	Whiskey	?
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2021-05-21 06:57:38	crippa	hi. I changed my router and I'm trying to connect a headless raspberry to my new wifi network. I placed a 'wpa_supplicant.conf' file in the boot folder of the Pi and rebooted. Now in my router, I see the raspberry listed under its mac address but it's not receiving an IP. What can be the reason? Other info: I was using WPA2-CCMP, I'm now using
2021-05-21 06:57:38	crippa	WPA2_WPA3. My network addresses changed from 192.168.188.* to 192.168.178.*
2021-05-21 06:59:19	yuta	wpa_suppcilant doesn't use /boot folder.
2021-05-21 06:59:23	yuta	cr
2021-05-21 06:59:26	yuta	crippa,
2021-05-21 06:59:46	crippa	well if you put the file there, it will be copied to etc/wpa_supplicant
2021-05-21 07:00:03	crippa	at boot
2021-05-21 07:00:46	yuta	crippa, I didn't know.
2021-05-21 07:00:59	yuta	crippa, rfkill list?
2021-05-21 07:01:27	crippa	in the syslog file, I read a 'dhcpcd[325]: wlan0: probing address 192.168.188.68/24
2021-05-21 07:01:27	crippa	dhcpcd[325]: wlan0: soliciting an IPv6 router'
2021-05-21 07:01:51	crippa	indicating it still thinks it's in the 188 network
2021-05-21 07:02:31	crippa	yuta: I can't run commands on the pi, as I have no keyboard nor monitor :)
2021-05-21 07:02:49	crippa	I can change the content of the SD card from my PC..
2021-05-21 07:03:48	yuta	crippa, okay.
2021-05-21 07:04:19	yuta	crippa, is that your router problem?
2021-05-21 07:04:34	crippa	no, other pcs work just fine
2021-05-21 07:04:55	crippa	I think it could be that the Pi stil thinks to have a ...188.68 address
2021-05-21 07:05:16	crippa	while it is now in a 192.168.178.* network
2021-05-21 07:05:16	yuta	crippa, if so , check /etc/dhcpcd.conf
2021-05-21 07:08:35	crippa	yep.. found a 188 there!
2021-05-21 07:08:41	crippa	let me try to boot it
2021-05-21 07:08:48	yuta	crippa, gogogogo
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2021-05-21 07:10:55	crippa	yes!!
2021-05-21 07:10:59	pksato	crippa: try to access via ipv6 local link address, you router proable know the rpi ipv6 local link ip.
2021-05-21 07:11:00	crippa	thanks a lot!
2021-05-21 07:11:25	yuta	crippa, :)
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2021-05-21 07:16:49	wonderer	like to power on my pi0 using a usb type b cable but the +ve -ve wires are so i can plug it into a power bank by soldering it on
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2021-05-21 07:17:03	wonderer	what should i look in ebay as keyword to fidn this?
2021-05-21 07:18:32	wonderer	something like this would do i guess https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/3B0AAOSwZWNc8-5g/s-l1600.jpg
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2021-05-21 07:45:42	BurtyB	hmm wire cutters?
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2021-05-21 09:10:07	markand	hey there
2021-05-21 09:10:22	markand	in aplay -l I only have HDMI outputs (no headphone jack listed)
2021-05-21 09:10:26	markand	on a Raspberry Pi 4
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2021-05-21 09:11:58	markand	dtparam=audio=on is present in config.txt as well
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2021-05-21 09:15:13	mythos	markand, newest firmware?
2021-05-21 09:15:21	mythos	there was a bug not so long ago
2021-05-21 09:15:43	markand	I think yes because I've installed the same version of Alpine (3.13) at home with proper sound
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2021-05-21 09:15:50	markand	the only difference is that I have a PoE hat on one of them
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2021-05-21 09:16:16	mythos	and if you use a normal power supply?
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2021-05-21 09:16:38	mythos	i assume for poe there is also an additional config entry
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2021-05-21 09:19:55	markand	let me check
2021-05-21 09:21:09	markand	no same issue with power supply
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2021-05-21 10:14:01	rwb	Hi, I'm in the US and I'm wondering if anyone can recommend a 4G Hat and know if there are any good data providers?
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2021-05-21 10:22:01	Reedy	don't want people sending you bad data
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2021-05-21 10:31:26	dubbie	mint mobile looks like a good deal...
2021-05-21 10:32:07	dubbie	15$ unliomited w/ 4gb on 4 or 5g? that's like $80/month in canada
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2021-05-21 10:39:51	rwb	dubbie: Thanks, I'm on the East Coast close to the border of Canada. I'm mostly looking for coverage in the NE of US
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2021-05-21 11:42:58	rwb	I guess I need to revise my question: Is there a 4g hardware board or hat that works with frequencies in the US?  I see some boards that only work in the EU, but I'm just looking for a hat for the US.
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2021-05-21 11:49:42	mlelstv	the waveshare module comes in variants for the different regions.
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2021-05-21 11:53:15	rwb	mlelstv: Thanks, I'm still in the learning phase. This helps
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2021-05-21 13:23:34	_rgn	should i install raspberry pi os lite or ubuntu server? does it come down to debian vs ubuntu?
2021-05-21 13:23:42	_rgn	raspberry pi 4 in question
2021-05-21 13:23:51	Habbie	raspberry pi os lite is 32 bits
2021-05-21 13:23:55	Habbie	(unless you take a 64 bit beta image)
2021-05-21 13:23:58	Habbie	ubuntu is 64 bits
2021-05-21 13:24:07	Habbie	that difference may be more important to you than 'debian vs ubuntu'
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2021-05-21 13:25:16	_rgn	not sure that has any significance for me. i'd like to try running plex media server at least
2021-05-21 13:26:36	_rgn	i'm comfortable in linux in general but would favor the one that has more community & helpful articles around it
2021-05-21 13:27:58	Habbie	i run Plex on a raspi.debian.net 64 bit image
2021-05-21 13:31:59	Chunkyz	c0rnelius: how can I get WiFi working without using credentials script?
2021-05-21 13:32:27	c0rnelius	Explains it in the readme
2021-05-21 13:33:10	c0rnelius	The files are in /etc/opt. Of course that only applies to Debian and Devuan.
2021-05-21 13:33:11	Chunkyz	I don't have the rename to credentials lol
2021-05-21 13:33:49	Habbie	_rgn, that said, i know plex also works on 32 bits
2021-05-21 13:33:58	c0rnelius	Who's image are you using?
2021-05-21 13:34:03	_rgn	thanks Habbie
2021-05-21 13:34:07	Chunkyz	Debian bullseye
2021-05-21 13:34:22	Chunkyz	Only soc in /etc/opt
2021-05-21 13:34:44	Chunkyz	Your image of bullseye
2021-05-21 13:34:44	c0rnelius	swh -h
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2021-05-21 13:35:26	c0rnelius	After first boot those files and services go away.
2021-05-21 13:36:00	Chunkyz	Yeah can't get it working lol
2021-05-21 13:37:51	c0rnelius	do u have a display and keyboard?
2021-05-21 13:38:27	Chunkyz	Yep
2021-05-21 13:39:12	c0rnelius	Chunkyz: https://github.com/pyavitz/rpi-img-builder#simple-wifi-helper-debian--devuan
2021-05-21 13:39:20	c0rnelius	It explains the commands
2021-05-21 13:39:48	Chunkyz	thanks c0rnelius, got it working. had to use the ethernet on my xbox. don't have any spare ;-P
2021-05-21 13:39:50	c0rnelius	you can scan, stop, start, restart and edit both the interfaces and wpa_sup file.
2021-05-21 13:40:00	c0rnelius	ok
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2021-05-21 13:40:21	Chunkyz	connected though, I must remember swh -h lol
2021-05-21 13:40:25	Chunkyz	thanks!
2021-05-21 13:40:30	c0rnelius	np
2021-05-21 13:40:47	Chunkyz	you close to your pc? linux os?
2021-05-21 13:41:07	c0rnelius	Yeah? and Getting freenode spammed again
2021-05-21 13:41:23	Chunkyz	haha, try and ping 10.26.0.1 for me please?
2021-05-21 13:41:49	c0rnelius	How about... no?
2021-05-21 13:41:54	Chunkyz	k
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2021-05-21 14:45:02	Chunkyz	Tenkawa: about?
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2021-05-21 14:46:13	Tenkawa	eh? did I mss something
2021-05-21 14:46:25	 *	Tenkawa just got back from lunch
2021-05-21 14:46:26	Chunkyz	message me the command whilst I'm on lib
2021-05-21 14:46:30	Tenkawa	ok
2021-05-21 14:46:32	Tenkawa	just a sec
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2021-05-21 14:54:24	Chunkyz	idk who adam is Tenkawa lol
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2021-05-21 14:57:02	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: he's a person from devuan arm
2021-05-21 14:57:13	Chunkyz	oh
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2021-05-21 15:36:08	Chunkyz	Tenkawa: sorted it?
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2021-05-21 15:53:08	Tenkawa	not yet.. he's several hours though
2021-05-21 15:53:32	Tenkawa	I shouldve gad you just use te founder command.. I wasnt thinking...
2021-05-21 15:53:37	Tenkawa	er had
2021-05-21 15:53:40	Tenkawa	oh well
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2021-05-21 15:54:45	Tenkawa	ooh. I may have a chance
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2021-05-21 15:55:46	Tenkawa	oh nm... false hope
2021-05-21 15:57:02	Tenkawa	er he's several hous ahead
2021-05-21 15:57:06	Tenkawa	er hours
2021-05-21 15:57:15	Tenkawa	timezone I think
2021-05-21 16:01:11	Chunkyz	why does he have to leave?
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2021-05-21 16:01:59	Tenkawa	i cant op until he does
2021-05-21 16:02:13	Tenkawa	because I have to leave and rejoin
2021-05-21 16:02:52	Chunkyz	sucks man
2021-05-21 16:03:09	Tenkawa	you have to be an op to reg a chan... if I wouldve been thinking thats why I forgot to have you just use the founder cmd to switch it
2021-05-21 16:03:11	Tenkawa	oops
2021-05-21 16:03:12	Tenkawa	heh
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2021-05-21 16:55:19	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: ok... got it now... thanks again for the help
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2021-05-21 17:23:26	foul_owl	Does anyone run a 64 bit OS?
2021-05-21 17:23:42	Habbie	i do
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2021-05-21 17:23:58	foul_owl	What OS specifically?
2021-05-21 17:24:13	foul_owl	I'm running into some major issues that require a 64 bit OS
2021-05-21 17:24:36	Habbie	i have one running an image from raspi.debian.net
2021-05-21 17:24:38	Habbie	one headless ubuntu
2021-05-21 17:24:39	Chunkyz	I also run 64bit
2021-05-21 17:24:43	Habbie	and i just installed a ubuntu desktop 30 minutes ago
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2021-05-21 17:25:04	foul_owl	Awesome. Package support is the same as 32 bit?
2021-05-21 17:25:10	foul_owl	No snags or anything?
2021-05-21 17:25:20	Habbie	i've had no trouble, but i've not tried everything
2021-05-21 17:25:25	Habbie	the raspi.debian.net one runs Plex
2021-05-21 17:25:33	Habbie	the ubuntu headless one runs some monitoring package a coworker wrote in Go
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2021-05-21 17:28:29	foul_owl	Thank you!
2021-05-21 17:28:39	Habbie	np :)
2021-05-21 17:28:53	Habbie	it might help to realise that the packages are not pi-specific
2021-05-21 17:28:56	Habbie	there's a lot of arm64 out there
2021-05-21 17:28:58	Habbie	also on servers
2021-05-21 17:29:05	Habbie	and you'd be depending on the same package repos as they do
2021-05-21 17:29:51	waveform	foul_owl, there are some weak points on arm64 support on both raspios and ubuntu -- most of it's around MMAL for the camera module, but there's some other bits like the pigpio daemon which is armhf only. But for the most part, they're largely equivalent
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2021-05-21 17:31:31	foul_owl	Understood!
2021-05-21 17:31:47	foul_owl	I tried using raspbian for owncloud
2021-05-21 17:31:59	foul_owl	But unable to download any directory over 4 gigs in size
2021-05-21 17:32:09	foul_owl	The error in the logs is "Count64 object limited to 32 bit"
2021-05-21 17:32:28	foul_owl	My understanding is that the only option is to use a 64 bit OS
2021-05-21 17:32:57	foul_owl	but if anyone here runs owncloud on a rpi on a 32 bit OS and can download files larger than 4 gigs, please let me know
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2021-05-21 21:31:39	Snuupy	I'm partial to using a usb drive for my OS instead of an sd card, any reasons why I shouldn't?
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2021-05-21 21:39:08	phoenixbyrd	I'm running windows 3.1 with 16bit mirc 5.91 with internet using dosbox on by pi 4 :D
2021-05-21 21:39:21	phoenixbyrd	dosbox-x
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2021-05-21 22:17:10	Snuupy	I probably care about 4k read/write for OS partition right
2021-05-21 22:17:16	Snuupy	rand
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2021-05-21 22:41:55	foul_owl	is there a download for rpi OS server lite 64 bit?
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2021-05-21 23:43:13	craigevil	nope, could always just remove the packages you do not want or need then install the server packages you need
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2021-05-22 00:50:02	ideopathic	Hi all.  I'm building a system that uses an external 5v 1A audio amplifier.  When powering from the Pi4, I am getting low power errors.  I would like to use a single plug into the wall and was hoping someone might have some options for me to look into.
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2021-05-22 01:07:11	mlelstv	first you need to make sure your power supply is strong enough.
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2021-05-22 01:07:59	mlelstv	which is difficult with a regular charger or even the official power supply.
2021-05-22 01:08:39	ideopathic	yes... official 5.1V 3A.
2021-05-22 01:09:06	x0n^	I'm planning to power a pi4 via gpio in order to free up the usb-c for data applications. since I don't need the audio jack but do need to get power inside a metal case, I'm wondering whether repurposing the audio jack for power is a good idea. what could go wrong when applying +5V to it?
2021-05-22 01:09:47	mlelstv	you would probably kill the audio output.
2021-05-22 01:10:35	mlelstv	well, maybe not that probably.
2021-05-22 01:10:47	clever	x0n^: i wouldnt trust a TRS jack with power, it feels like you would short things out when inserting/removing
2021-05-22 01:11:02	ideopathic	I was hoping to get power supply with higher amps and split from that to the two devices, but I don't see a good way to leverage the power conditioning on board.
2021-05-22 01:13:17	x0n^	clever: good point. I shall test this with a dry run without a pi attached...
2021-05-22 01:13:53	clever	x0n^: as you insert the jack, the tip will be touching the sleeve contact initially, and if there are ground loops, thats a short
2021-05-22 01:13:53	x0n^	let's hypothesize though that shorts aren't happening. could I damage/blow the audio chip or worse?
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2021-05-22 01:14:21	mlelstv	you can't feed power through the audio jack
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2021-05-22 01:15:06	x0n^	mlelstv: obviously I'd have to solder some wires to the jack going to gpio +5V/GND
2021-05-22 01:17:11	mlelstv	worst thing is that you put some floating voltage to either GND or one of the signal lines. You may also short your power supply briefly. Why not just feed the power to the GPIO pins ?
2021-05-22 01:17:25	x0n^	If I were able to identify which traces belong to it I wouldn't be asking silly questions about what could go wrong and just cut them, but alas...
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2021-05-22 01:18:04	clever	x0n^: it would be safer to just put your own jack on the box, and use that
2021-05-22 01:19:05	mlelstv	probably a barrel jack then.
2021-05-22 01:19:15	x0n^	clever: yeah that's my plan b. metalworking seems to be my new stealth hobby
2021-05-22 01:19:18	clever	yeah, thats far safer feeling
2021-05-22 01:20:40	x0n^	this looks a-ok... https://www.reichelt.de/einbaukupplung-aussen-5-7-mm-innen-2-35-mm-lum-1614-10-p116254.html?&trstct=pol_9&nbc=1
2021-05-22 01:21:11	x0n^	shit, I need new drill bits too. so over budget this month...
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2021-05-22 01:28:52	x0n^	another question: is it possible to disable power from the usb-c on rpi4? here too I couldn't verify traces for cutting
2021-05-22 01:29:19	clever	x0n^: nope, the usb-c is hard-wired to the main 5v rail
2021-05-22 01:31:09	x0n^	urgh
2021-05-22 01:31:50	x0n^	so this means if I power from an external PSU via GPIO and then hook up another device over USB-C OTG I may still have my ground loops
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2021-05-22 01:32:58	mlelstv	possible, but unlikely a problem. The problem is more that your UTG cable may connect the 5V line too
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2021-05-22 01:33:24	mlelstv	OTG
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2021-05-22 01:45:53	x0n^	so in summary, USB OTG on pi44 is a bad idea?
2021-05-22 01:46:29	clever	x0n^: in device mode, your best off powering the pi4 over the usb-c, or cutting the 5v line somehow
2021-05-22 01:46:36	clever	in host mode, the pi4 should be the only power source
2021-05-22 01:46:43	clever	or cut the 5v line
2021-05-22 01:48:16	x0n^	I've seen the bootloader can set a low-power mode specifically for powering from an external usb host, but given the typical power draw of the pi4 it seems like this would cripple it
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2021-05-22 01:48:44	clever	the firmware will throttle the arm core if the 5v rail dips below a certain point
2021-05-22 01:48:52	clever	same way it does thermal throttling
2021-05-22 01:48:52	x0n^	cutting the 5V line is what I'd happily do if I could without a doubt identify the correct trace
2021-05-22 01:49:06	clever	you can also use a usb-c extension cord
2021-05-22 01:49:09	clever	and cut the wire in that cord
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2021-05-22 01:50:26	x0n^	that's another of my planBs :) I'd much rather cut the trace though...
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2021-05-22 01:50:32	ideopathic	anybody use this: https://wiki.geekworm.com/index.php/X735
2021-05-22 01:51:02	x0n^	also wait what, the pi4 can act as host on the usb-c? where do I find the docs on that?
2021-05-22 01:51:29	clever	x0n^: the usb-c port is connected to 2 usb controllers
2021-05-22 01:51:40	clever	x0n^: the old dwc2 from past models (host/device), and a new host-only xhci controller
2021-05-22 01:52:45	clever	x0n^: what config.txt entry are you using to get gadget mode?
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2021-05-22 01:54:26	x0n^	clever: so far none, still theorycrafting whether to use it at all
2021-05-22 01:55:23	clever	if you put otg_mode=1 into config.txt, it will use the host-only xhci controller, that has the best cpu performance
2021-05-22 01:56:04	clever	dtoverlay=dwc2,dr_mode=host, will use the dwc in host mode, but thats somewhat cpu costly
2021-05-22 01:56:06	x0n^	clever: what about this then? https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/usb/README.md
2021-05-22 01:56:14	x0n^	quote "The OTG hardware is intended to be used in device-only mode on Pi 4."
2021-05-22 01:56:15	clever	dtoverlay=dwc2,dr_mode=peripheral will use dwc in device mode
2021-05-22 01:57:19	clever	if your using it in host mode, then you have to power it via the gpio header
2021-05-22 01:57:36	clever	i'm guessing they are just assuming you cant deal with gpio pins?
2021-05-22 01:59:40	x0n^	clever: thanks. where did you find this info?
2021-05-22 01:59:57	clever	x0n^: searching the forums, and knowing how the CM4 works
2021-05-22 02:00:21	clever	the CM4 uses that same usb controller in host mode, because the pci-e usb chip is missing
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2021-05-22 02:01:28	x0n^	wait, so the host-only xhci controller on the usb-c is not the one also serving the onboard usb-a jacks?
2021-05-22 02:01:45	clever	correct
2021-05-22 02:01:48	clever	it has 2 xhci controllers
2021-05-22 02:02:09	clever	there is a usb2 xhci controller in the soc, that can be routed to the usb-c port
2021-05-22 02:02:18	clever	and there is a pcie usb3 xhci controller, driving the 4 main ports
2021-05-22 02:03:22	x0n^	now you have me confused. I though xhci == usb3
2021-05-22 02:03:36	x0n^	s/though/thought
2021-05-22 02:03:39	clever	xhci is a new api for talking to a usb controller
2021-05-22 02:03:54	clever	the soc has a 2nd usb controller, that only runs up to usb2 speeds, and speaks xhci
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2021-05-22 02:06:09	x0n^	thanks. I have never heard of such a configuration before. is this at all common?
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2021-05-22 02:06:33	clever	x0n^: i dont think so, i heard that linux's xhci driver failed to even handle it at all
2021-05-22 02:06:38	clever	the driver had to be patched to support it
2021-05-22 02:09:30	x0n^	wat. is RPF intentionally trolling with pi4? while researching the USB-C I've found horror stories about power problems... then there's the fact that pi4 does not have a fuse at all... instead it has an EEPROM that all previous iterations were happily living without...
2021-05-22 02:10:04	clever	past models used a polyfuse, a special type of resistor
2021-05-22 02:10:27	clever	but the pi4 needs a lot more amps, and i think getting a polyfuse that big was a problem
2021-05-22 02:11:08	x0n^	also if the pi4 had a fuse I could just desolder that and have my 5V line cut ;)
2021-05-22 02:11:34	clever	as for the SPI flash, that was to make netboot and usb boot go faster
2021-05-22 02:11:41	clever	fixing past mistakes
2021-05-22 02:12:04	clever	the original pi3, added net/usb boot (2 models after release), but it had bugs in the boot rom
2021-05-22 02:12:08	clever	which made it hard to use reliably
2021-05-22 02:13:15	x0n^	I've never tried netboot but USB boot was working fine on the pi3s that I tried
2021-05-22 02:13:22	clever	x0n^: by moving bootcode.bin onto SPI flash, they could add usb or netboot after release
2021-05-22 02:13:30	clever	and they could fix bugs, by just re-flashing
2021-05-22 02:13:49	clever	it depends on what usb drive you use
2021-05-22 02:14:02	x0n^	yeah or they could fix bugs by just... updating a file on the sdcard
2021-05-22 02:14:18	clever	thats exactly what the "bootcode.bin only mode" did
2021-05-22 02:14:25	clever	but now you need an SD card to boot from usb
2021-05-22 02:14:44	clever	they moved that, into a dedicated SPI flash chip
2021-05-22 02:17:05	x0n^	I wonder if it might have been a better idea to make this too a CM4 feature and leave the regular pi4 without one
2021-05-22 02:18:02	x0n^	can't imagine netboot being a feature in use by the majority of users
2021-05-22 02:18:04	clever	x0n^: the SPI flash also allows it to give a clear error msg on hdmi, when boot fails
2021-05-22 02:19:02	x0n^	yeah, like you're gonna netboot a pi and then hook up an hdmi monitor :)
2021-05-22 02:19:21	clever	that also covers the case where your booting from SD, and it just fell out
2021-05-22 02:20:45	x0n^	for my use case, I'll have to re-flash the SPI every boot. wonder how often it will let me do that. hopefully more often than a typical SDcard...
2021-05-22 02:21:04	clever	x0n^: why do you need to reflash the SPI on every boot??
2021-05-22 02:22:41	x0n^	proving integrity by way of a known-good copy on sdcard. I don't see another way to do this
2021-05-22 02:23:04	clever	x0n^: the SPI flash has an hmac-sha1 checksum over its main code
2021-05-22 02:23:05	clever	it will refuse to even execute if its corrupted
2021-05-22 02:23:24	clever	the official recovery.bin will also diff the .bin and SPI, and only erase blocks that have changed
2021-05-22 02:24:06	clever	https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/267c3b0e31d950172fdd8dd673939e5b#file-gistfile1-txt-L35
2021-05-22 02:24:27	clever	x0n^: if you watch the uart when recovery.bin is flashing, it prints a + for every flashed block, and a . for every block that was already correct
2021-05-22 02:25:46	x0n^	ah, nice :)
2021-05-22 02:25:53	x0n^	what's uart-manager?
2021-05-22 02:26:14	clever	a custom serial terminal program, the main feature is that it will pull DTR high while the port is open
2021-05-22 02:26:21	clever	i then wired DTR to the RUN pin on the board
2021-05-22 02:26:34	clever	so when i ctrl+c the uart-manager, RUN gets pulled low, and the system comes to a grinding halt
2021-05-22 02:26:55	clever	then i can just treat uart-manager like an emulator
2021-05-22 02:27:06	clever	run it to start my binary on the pi, ctrl+c to stop the binary
2021-05-22 02:27:19	clever	netboot deals with fetching the latest version each time
2021-05-22 02:27:35	clever	so i can just make && uart-manager to build&run, ctrl+c to stop running
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2021-05-22 02:28:17	clever	no need to swap sd cards, no need for a reset button, quick&easy "stop that" when it malfunctions
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2021-05-22 02:40:01	x0n^	clever: interesting. how many pis do you have setup like this?
2021-05-22 02:40:21	clever	just 1
2021-05-22 02:40:33	clever	i re-wire which pi is doing that, based on what i'm testing
2021-05-22 02:40:54	clever	but i could expand it to every pi i own
2021-05-22 02:43:52	x0n^	UART is yet another rabbit hole I'll need to go down one of these days. there's so much hacky stuff to do :)
2021-05-22 02:44:52	clever	x0n^: i'm several miles down the rabbit hole, trying to replace the closed-source firmware
2021-05-22 02:45:11	clever	x0n^: ive discovered that the L2 cache is somehow slower then the raw ram, and i suspect its due to not setting a clock
2021-05-22 02:46:10	x0n^	clever: on the pi4?
2021-05-22 02:46:22	clever	currently testing on a pi2
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2021-05-22 03:01:27	x0n^	clever: how does the L2 cache issue manifest itself? also: https://imgur.com/a/tErOakX my current solution. what would you recommend? cheapo 3.3V UART to USB cable from ebay?
2021-05-22 03:02:04	clever	reads from the L2 cache are slower then reads from raw ram
2021-05-22 03:02:09	clever	only visible if your running on the VPU, with custom firmware
2021-05-22 03:03:21	clever	i prefer using ftdi modules for the uart
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2021-05-22 03:04:44	x0n^	this arduino nano clone actually has an FTDI chip IIRC
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2021-05-22 03:05:07	x0n^	any idea how to spot them on ready-made cables?
2021-05-22 03:05:50	clever	x0n^: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9873 is my prefered form
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2021-05-22 03:17:57	x0n^	clever: bit on the expensive side. looks like ebay got me covered though: https://www.ebay.de/itm/292252489197
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2021-05-22 03:18:33	clever	x0n^: ive also heard that ftdi's get cloned a lot, and the clones tend to malfunction
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2021-05-22 03:25:17	mlelstv	especially when using some range of original ftdi drivers...
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2021-05-22 03:29:03	x0n^	sounds like a conspiracy theory :)
2021-05-22 03:29:40	clever	https://www.buyapi.ca/product/usb-console-stub-serial-adaptor-for-raspberry-pi/
2021-05-22 03:29:48	mlelstv	no, they identified clones and bricked them. Got them some severe backfire, so now the drivers just fail when they identify clones.
2021-05-22 03:29:52	clever	x0n^: i had gotten one of these a few months back, because it makes plugging the uart in far simpler
2021-05-22 03:30:04	clever	the usb chip on it is utter crap
2021-05-22 03:30:09	mlelstv	only relevant to windows users :-/
2021-05-22 03:30:26	clever	if you send it non-standard uart signals (like pulling the power to your pi), the uart chip locks up
2021-05-22 03:30:37	clever	and you just dont get any more traffic, until you re-open the serial device
2021-05-22 03:31:05	clever	Bus 001 Device 117: ID 3171:0035 8086 Consultancy
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2021-05-22 12:38:53	Tenkawa	Anyone around who's currently running a cm4 w foundation io board? just want to verify current needed.. I now its a 12v input but not sure current it "practocal needs"
2021-05-22 12:39:47	Tenkawa	er practical
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2021-05-22 15:03:59	pinusc	Heyo! I'm in a bit of an emergency. My raspberry pi 4B fell to the ground and the microsd card slot broke (connectors are intact but no way of keeping the card in place). I'm trying to boot it from a usb drive, but it's not working
2021-05-22 15:06:05	artok	if you don't have usb boot enabled on eeprom
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2021-05-22 15:06:23	pinusc	What I did is partition a usb drive in the exact same scheme as the microsd card (256MB FAT32 boot, the rest root) and copy all the files over. Now I plugged it in but all I get is a series of short flashes on the green startus led. I think it's three (too fast to tell with certainty), which accordeing to this page https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/led_blink_warnings.md
2021-05-22 15:06:25	pinusc	means "extended partition not fat". But the boot partition IS fat!
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2021-05-22 15:06:28	artok	use tape to keep sd card in the place while booting and then configure
2021-05-22 15:06:49	pinusc	artok: the pi is relatively new, I got it a few months ago. Shouldn't usb boot be enabled by default on modern firmwares?
2021-05-22 15:06:51	Chunkyz	damn that sucks
2021-05-22 15:06:52	artok	burn some known os into your usb?
2021-05-22 15:07:17	artok	have you partitioned that usb drive yourself?
2021-05-22 15:08:00	pinusc	artok: yes, with fdisk. I took care to check the correct partition codes as well, and then I even formatted (on linux with mkfs.fat and mkfs.ext4) with the correct labels
2021-05-22 15:08:20	pinusc	Though I suppose it might be that the mismatching UUID is not letting the kernel boot correctly...
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2021-05-22 15:11:39	pinusc	Hmmm... on cmdline.txt in the boot partition it references root=PARTUUID=92fe6081-02 However that is not the UUID on the microsd either, if I check with lsblk --fs
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2021-05-22 15:12:01	artok	partition type c and mkfs.vfat ?
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2021-05-22 15:13:51	Encrypt	pinusc, I guess you can find a way to maintain the SD Card connected to the pins
2021-05-22 15:14:13	Encrypt	With some kind of plastic clip or something
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2021-05-22 15:19:46	cirdan	anyone know of a powerbank that's ok with pass-through charging?
2021-05-22 15:19:55	pinusc	artok: I used mkfs.fat -F 32
2021-05-22 15:20:03	pinusc	Would that not work?
2021-05-22 15:20:20	pinusc	Encrypt: I will try but sadly I'm not in my own home and I have limited access to physical hacks...
2021-05-22 15:20:58	Encrypt	cirdan, You're looking for some kind of UPS to prevent SD card corruption?
2021-05-22 15:21:09	Encrypt	pinusc, Alright
2021-05-22 15:22:22	cirdan	yeah for a cross country drive
2021-05-22 15:22:31	cirdan	make a pi into a portaable plex server for the kids
2021-05-22 15:23:38	cirdan	$40-50 for a pi-ups is not ideal
2021-05-22 15:28:07	Encrypt	OK, I see
2021-05-22 15:29:34	x0n^	why not just run it off onboard power in the car?
2021-05-22 15:30:03	cirdan	shuts off when the car shuts off
2021-05-22 15:30:40	cirdan	I dont think any ports are always on, and even then cars shut off acc power when starting up to help the starter and prevent a brownout
2021-05-22 15:30:46	pinusc	artok: am I right in assuming that usb boot should be enabled by default? Or am I trying stuff for nothing?
2021-05-22 15:31:13	cirdan	wonder if I could hookup a dual input to the pi or something
2021-05-22 15:31:41	cirdan	at least one of my power banks turns off the port with no draw after a while
2021-05-22 15:31:57	pinusc	I'm also trying to hold the sd card in place but I'm not sure it's working. Part of the issue (of course!) is that I'm operating entirely headless, I don't have a microHDMI cable... so my only hope of finding out if it's even working is to get it to connect to wifi... to a new network which it doesn't even know! It's quite the blind crusade I'm fighting
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2021-05-22 15:32:44	artok	yeah https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bcm2711_bootloader_config.md it should be 0xf41
2021-05-22 15:34:07	pinusc	Ohh. It's 0x0c right now (the boot partition at least)
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2021-05-22 15:34:36	artok	umm.. the boot configuration on eeprom should be 0xf41
2021-05-22 15:34:54	pinusc	Ohh sorry I got confused. Yeah I'm looking at the article now
2021-05-22 15:35:35	artok	check that you have proper config.txt and kernel file name
2021-05-22 15:37:10	pinusc	What should I be looking for? I have a config.txt in my boot partition and it looks correct to me
2021-05-22 15:37:50	cirdan	this looks perfect, wonder what the cost is... https://hackaday.io/project/18041-lifepo4wered18650
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2021-05-22 15:43:09	pinusc	Ahh also I realized according to https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/led_blink_warnings.md three short flashes and no long flashes mean "generic failure to boot"
2021-05-22 15:43:17	pinusc	Aaaaaargh
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2021-05-22 16:19:16	Tenkawa	Any of you using a cm4 with the foundation i/o board? I am curious if I shouldve received jumpers with it
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2021-05-22 16:40:34	Tenkawa	looks like I need to find a jumper
2021-05-22 16:40:37	Tenkawa	bah..
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2021-05-22 16:52:52	Tenkawa	ok found a jumper and that let things proceed
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2021-05-22 17:07:03	infinitux	trying to use my 3b+ for a headless webserver(development). it hibernates or something and i cant connect to it. how do i keep it always on?
2021-05-22 17:08:20	infinitux	anyone able to help me?
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2021-05-22 17:43:06	zeta_0	I have xmonad running on my linux machine on a pi 4 working fine connected to a dynex tv, but when I try to connect a 2nd dynex tv, it stays stuck on rainbow mode, any tips on how to fix this issue?
2021-05-22 17:45:58	zeta_0	when I run xrandr, it throws the error: `failed to get the size of gamma for output default?`, also, only one of my tv monitors is detected, how do I get the 2nd tv monitor working?
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2021-05-22 17:59:19	zeta_0	according to the pi documention, I just need to plug-in the tv-monitors, but, since I'm not using a desktop env like raspberry pi os, and I'm only using xmonad, I must be missing some functionality, correct?
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2021-05-23 00:49:03	Snuupy	oh man the whole booting off a 2.5" ssd enclosure is a minefield on the rpi4
2021-05-23 00:49:20	Snuupy	usb-quirks, JMS578 chipsets not supported, trying to find a UASP enclosure...
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2021-05-23 02:06:15	unixbsd	hi guys
2021-05-23 02:06:42	unixbsd	have you messed with "PS Stream" for playing PS5 or PS4 games the raspberry pi?
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2021-05-23 02:21:27	artok	ehhh ?
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2021-05-23 02:26:35	artok	so latency isn't issue anymore for gamers
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2021-05-23 02:38:36	unixbsd	please find how to run NetBSD Desktop, full desktop, on a raspberry pi. https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/armv7m     Beware, netbsd is running twice or 3 times faster than Linux, because it is smaller and has excellent memory management.
2021-05-23 02:38:42	unixbsd	https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/armv7m
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2021-05-23 05:51:52	Chunkyz	Snuupy: where are you? amazon uk have a few. atm I'm using a £12 novatech sata enclosure, works well
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2021-05-23 06:26:19	crabbedhaloablut	Time to move: https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/pull/513/commits/2037126831a84c57f978268f090fc663cf43ed7a
2021-05-23 06:26:19	crabbedhaloablut	The R-Pi foundation wins nothing by being associated with Freenode any more.
2021-05-23 06:26:40	Chunkyz	crabbedhaloablut: old news.......
2021-05-23 06:26:53	Chunkyz	you been under a rock or?
2021-05-23 06:27:27	crabbedhaloablut	commit was 6 hours ago, so hardly *that* old news
2021-05-23 06:27:47	Chunkyz	https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover it's old news.
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2021-05-23 06:28:26	Chunkyz	most have already moved over to libera
2021-05-23 06:29:33	crabbedhaloablut	Feels sad man :-(
2021-05-23 06:30:09	Chunkyz	I'm staying until I *have* to leave
2021-05-23 06:31:48	crabbedhaloablut	"I fight for my corner and I leave when the pub closes"? Admirable.
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2021-05-23 06:40:30	Chunkyz	I've been here 6 years crabbedhaloablut, I'm not giving up my account until I have to
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2021-05-23 06:48:38	yuta	I found this channnel name on Libera.chat. Chunkyz crabbedhaloablut
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2021-05-23 06:55:55	hid	do you know whether raspberrypi 5 will come with av1 hardware decoding?
2021-05-23 06:56:00	hid	or not
2021-05-23 06:56:30	yuta	me? not.
2021-05-23 06:57:16	clever	hid: which one was av1?
2021-05-23 06:57:49	hid	it's a state of the art libre video codec
2021-05-23 06:58:08	hid	(better than hevc and open source)
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2021-05-23 08:56:06	Chunkyz	yuta: *no one* knows what the spec of the rpi5 will be
2021-05-23 08:56:15	Chunkyz	Snuupy: sucks, try ebay/amazon
2021-05-23 09:00:56	yuta	Chunkyz, thanks
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2021-05-23 09:02:21	clever	hid: ahh, so its a new one ive not heard of in the pi ecosystem yet
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2021-05-23 09:07:55	Chunkyz	sorry yuta I tagged the wrong person ;-P hid: "*no one* knows what the spec of the rpi5 will be"
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2021-05-23 09:10:21	hid	:(
2021-05-23 09:10:44	yuta	:) Chunkyz
2021-05-23 09:10:54	yuta	https://electronicsmith.com/raspberry-pi-5-features-specification/
2021-05-23 09:11:02	yuta	I read this article.
2021-05-23 09:11:10	Chunkyz	yeah don't listen to that site
2021-05-23 09:11:25	hid	I will get the rpi4 first then and switch to rpi5 when the release date is known
2021-05-23 09:11:49	yuta	me too
2021-05-23 09:11:54	Chunkyz	won't be for like 2 years or so
2021-05-23 09:12:03	yuta	I want to get rpi4 but waiting .
2021-05-23 09:12:13	Chunkyz	waiting for?
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2021-05-23 09:12:26	yuta	rpi5 coming Chunkyz
2021-05-23 09:12:29	hid	yuta san: buy it.
2021-05-23 09:12:34	Chunkyz	it's not though yuta
2021-05-23 09:12:47	hid	you can have 3 rpi, the more the happier :)
2021-05-23 09:13:16	yuta	I am not collecter lol
2021-05-23 09:13:36	Chunkyz	yuta: the rpi5 is not anywhere close to release, just get the rpi4/cm4
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2021-05-23 09:14:23	yuta	Chunkyz, Why do you think rpi5 is not on the market soon?
2021-05-23 09:14:30	Chunkyz	...
2021-05-23 09:14:42	yuta	...
2021-05-23 09:15:11	Chunkyz	rpi releases, what... every 4/5 years - we're in 2021
2021-05-23 09:15:42	yuta	rpi4 is released 2019.
2021-05-23 09:15:44	Chunkyz	google can tell you more, don't believe dodgy sites with the rpi5 specs lol
2021-05-23 09:15:52	yuta	XD
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2021-05-23 09:15:59	Chunkyz	yes, so we're not close to the rpi5 lol
2021-05-23 09:16:43	yuta	I suppose that rpi5 cost is same as rpi4.
2021-05-23 09:16:54	Chunkyz	probably a bit more if better spec
2021-05-23 09:17:02	Chunkyz	but *around* that sort of price, yes
2021-05-23 09:17:28	yuta	around . i see.
2021-05-23 09:18:26	yuta	to be honest , I bought rpi4 over internet and canceled now. lol
2021-05-23 09:18:34	Chunkyz	why?
2021-05-23 09:18:35	yuta	because I saw that site lol
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2021-05-23 09:18:46	yuta	hahaha
2021-05-23 09:18:48	Chunkyz	it's fake
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2021-05-23 09:19:19	yuta	lol
2021-05-23 09:19:21	Chunkyz	use your common sense lol
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2021-05-23 09:19:28	yuta	Chunkyz, XD
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2021-05-23 09:19:37	Chunkyz	I know, not many people have it these days XD
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2021-05-23 09:20:27	yuta	XD
2021-05-23 09:21:11	yuta	Chunkyz, Because they expect next rpi?
2021-05-23 09:21:35	Chunkyz	what?
2021-05-23 09:22:13	Tenkawa	yuta: if you dont see it on raspberrypi.org... don't believe it..
2021-05-23 09:22:19	yuta	Chunkyz, I thought less people got rpi4 because of waiting for rpi5.
2021-05-23 09:22:24	Chunkyz	exactly Tenkawa
2021-05-23 09:22:31	Tenkawa	opinions... upcoming timelines.. etc
2021-05-23 09:22:43	Tenkawa	on new equipment
2021-05-23 09:22:48	yuta	I see Tenkawa Chunkyz
2021-05-23 09:23:04	Chunkyz	yuta: A LOT of people own the rpi4 lmao
2021-05-23 09:23:30	Tenkawa	Chunkyz: I just realized with the addition of that cm4 I'm up to 8 now lol
2021-05-23 09:23:37	yuta	I should cancel cancel.
2021-05-23 09:23:43	Chunkyz	haha nice, how is the cm4? emmc good?
2021-05-23 09:23:49	Tenkawa	very
2021-05-23 09:24:02	hid	wait until 2024 yuta san ,or buy now.
2021-05-23 09:24:04	Chunkyz	what's your temps like?
2021-05-23 09:24:17	yuta	ah hid san
2021-05-23 09:24:46	yuta	I should think tomorrow.
2021-05-23 09:24:56	Tenkawa	it was running around 50C so I did put a heatsink on it since I know I will be pushing it hard (you know me)
2021-05-23 09:25:09	yuta	today , I give up thinking about rpi4 :)
2021-05-23 09:25:26	hid	i think the money isn't a problem, i will build a rpi4 pc for my future son and keep rpi5 for me :)
2021-05-23 09:25:57	Tenkawa	hid: or be like me.. have 30+ now.. and still buy more then
2021-05-23 09:26:20	Tenkawa	I have at least 30+ rpi total in all the diff generations
2021-05-23 09:26:50	Tenkawa	(I also do a lot of dev work and deployments though)
2021-05-23 09:27:11	hid	yuta san: i have a youtube channel for you: https://www.youtube.com/c/explainingcomputers/videos
2021-05-23 09:27:33	hid	Tenkawa: what are you using them for?
2021-05-23 09:28:17	yuta	subscribed :P
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2021-05-23 09:28:59	hid	:)
2021-05-23 09:32:12	Tenkawa	hid: mostly development of arm image builders (we wrote a debian image builder) and pc replacements
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2021-05-23 10:25:17	PonyBlocks	hi
2021-05-23 10:25:27	PonyBlocks	how far away is that 64bit version?
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2021-05-23 10:30:45	Chunkyz	PonyBlocks: it's in beta, imho not far off a stable release :-)
2021-05-23 10:31:21	Chunkyz	afaik chromium/vlc still has no hw acceleration, but oh well
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2021-05-23 10:31:35	PonyBlocks	hmm okey, going to reinstall a system on SSD now, so im between 64bit ubuntu or rpiOS 64
2021-05-23 10:31:52	Chunkyz	rpi os 64bit is quicker
2021-05-23 10:32:28	PonyBlocks	yeah so if its not to far away from a steady release, im sure the "beta" version i install now, i can update etc when it release
2021-05-23 10:32:48	Chunkyz	sure, why not :-)
2021-05-23 10:33:17	PonyBlocks	yeah hopefully^^
2021-05-23 10:33:55	Chunkyz	make sure to check the 64bit beta thread on the forums :-)
2021-05-23 10:34:02	PonyBlocks	i guess its harder to "upgrade" a 32bit system to a 64 bit tho
2021-05-23 10:34:16	Chunkyz	yeah, fresh install
2021-05-23 10:34:48	PonyBlocks	yeah then i might be at same stage again^^to reinstall everything
2021-05-23 10:35:30	PonyBlocks	was thinking to boot from an SSD drive, but might aswell just boot from a sd card and write info to the ssd meanwhile tho
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2021-05-23 17:30:35	happyquack	If you can understand the reason behind the new policy that lets rasengan arbitrary take over channels now (https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/commit/1194a3e71a427a669ccdddee22006416d46eeb43) (https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse), please let me know. His explanation is this: <rasengan> href: Some communities have lost site of their mission and are engaged in a campaign to fracture the FOSS community.  We're attempting to solicit
2021-05-23 17:30:36	happyquack	feedback from the community to incorporate better policies to help keep the FOSS community whole.
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2021-05-23 18:03:01	x0n^	what has science done? this rpi4 instantly cuts power when someone opens the case: https://imgur.com/a/eLkXgZb
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2021-05-23 18:04:29	x0n^	now, to implement the same on rpi3: is that header labeled RUN/PEN the same as the one on rpi4 with RUN/GND/GLOBAL_EN?
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2021-05-23 18:04:56	clever	x0n^: yeah
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2021-05-23 18:05:15	clever	RUN is 3.3v logic, pulling it to gnd will halt the cpu, releasing it (it has a pullup) will let the system boot
2021-05-23 18:05:38	clever	GLOBAL_EN is 5v logic, pulling it low will shut off the power regulator, so the 1.8v and 3.3v rails vanish, and the soc halts
2021-05-23 18:05:51	clever	old models only had a 2 pin header, run+gnd
2021-05-23 18:05:58	clever	pi4 has a 3 pin header, run, gnd, global_en
2021-05-23 18:06:42	clever	the photo you linked, is wired to global_en, so the power regulator will shut off
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2021-05-23 18:10:14	Tenkawa	clever: so far so good om the cm4.. my images are working and I've flashed thenm to the emmc just fine... trying to work down the nervousness to try the eeprom
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2021-05-23 18:11:38	Tenkawa	spent first hour looking through old parts trying to find a jumper to program it with lol
2021-05-23 18:11:59	Tenkawa	found one on an old hard drive
2021-05-23 18:12:57	x0n^	clever: yeah shutting off the power was the intention. you mentioned yesterday you had wired RUN to your serial cable, right?
2021-05-23 18:16:57	Tenkawa	x0n^: whats the ultimate goal by cutting power in this manner?
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2021-05-23 19:25:01	ManPigeons	Fellas.
2021-05-23 19:25:25	ManPigeons	I tried to boot up my pi, red light stays on, green light blinks, and then doesn't do shite.
2021-05-23 19:25:39	ManPigeons	I loaded original raspbian on it.
2021-05-23 19:25:53	ManPigeons	Is my pi just fried or did I do anything wrong?
2021-05-23 19:27:13	Snert	has it ever worked or is this the 1st time?
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2021-05-23 19:34:03	ManPigeons	it has ever worked.
2021-05-23 19:34:11	ManPigeons	like, a few months ago
2021-05-23 19:34:18	ManPigeons	left it on a dusty stand a while after
2021-05-23 19:35:11	Snert	has anything changed like PSU wallwart or maybe usb cable
2021-05-23 19:35:35	ManPigeons	nope, still use the same ol SOS Solution cable
2021-05-23 19:35:46	Snert	can you find the pi in your dhcp server in your router maybe ?
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2021-05-23 19:36:40	ManPigeons	I didn't put it an ethernet connection on it, but I did however, put a wpa_sup in it's boot folder.
2021-05-23 19:36:58	ManPigeons	can't find it with netdiscover nor nmap
2021-05-23 19:37:12	Snert	I wouldn't think there was a problem until I try it on the wire.
2021-05-23 19:37:26	ManPigeons	thats not really the problem here, it doesnt give a green light
2021-05-23 19:37:47	Snert	in the vein of reducing a bad situation to hardware minimums.
2021-05-23 19:38:01	ManPigeons	Fella in the discord srver said it might be fried
2021-05-23 19:38:07	ManPigeons	as it gave 8-9 blinks on green.
2021-05-23 19:38:15	Snert	he no doubt knows all :)
2021-05-23 19:38:28	Tenkawa	how many blinks do you estimate?
2021-05-23 19:38:31	ManPigeons	7-9
2021-05-23 19:38:44	Tenkawa	4 6 Power failure type A   4 7 Power failure type B
2021-05-23 19:38:52	Tenkawa	6 or 7 are those 2
2021-05-23 19:39:03	Tenkawa	or long of 4
2021-05-23 19:39:13	ManPigeons	yeah, i'm pretty positive this thing gets 'nough power.
2021-05-23 19:39:14	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/led_blink_warnings.md
2021-05-23 19:39:36	Tenkawa	these things are "extremely" power sensitive
2021-05-23 19:39:48	Tenkawa	what are you using to power it with
2021-05-23 19:40:17	ManPigeons	SOS Solutions
2021-05-23 19:40:19	ManPigeons	power supply
2021-05-23 19:40:32	Tenkawa	do you have a part #?
2021-05-23 19:40:54	ManPigeons	I can throw a link if ya like
2021-05-23 19:40:57	Tenkawa	sure
2021-05-23 19:41:01	ManPigeons	https://www.sossolutions.nl/originele-raspberry-pi-foundation-usbc-3a-voeding-zwart?gclid=CjwKCAjw-qeFBhAsEiwA2G7Nl6bfLpBGFb_GCwL4btUxZZjf_SWDAgLwwNX0_ld1XWcEgvJzVlB3JxoC5DEQAvD_BwE
2021-05-23 19:41:15	ManPigeons	all dutch, but guess you gotta like.. ya.
2021-05-23 19:41:39	Tenkawa	its tthe right specs
2021-05-23 19:41:45	Snert	it's a good PSU unit.
2021-05-23 19:41:48	Tenkawa	(I can read dutch)
2021-05-23 19:41:57	Tenkawa	(enough anyway)
2021-05-23 19:42:07	ManPigeons	You an Afrikaaner?
2021-05-23 19:42:26	Tenkawa	no.. American but Luxembourg ancestry
2021-05-23 19:42:49	Tenkawa	and I've been to Europe a fair amount
2021-05-23 19:43:00	ManPigeons	Nice fellar.
2021-05-23 19:43:12	ManPigeons	Anyway, I use that one, but then micro-usb
2021-05-23 19:43:45	Tenkawa	that one should be fine but like you said if your power itself is unstable....
2021-05-23 19:44:08	Tenkawa	no power supply can compensate for that
2021-05-23 19:44:18	ManPigeons	red light stays on during the whole time, with maybe 1 blink
2021-05-23 19:44:20	Tenkawa	(except a UPS)
2021-05-23 19:44:23	ManPigeons	and red light == power right??
2021-05-23 19:44:38	ManPigeons	it just cant read for some odd reason
2021-05-23 19:45:10	Tenkawa	checking (colorblind so I always get the leds backwards visually)
2021-05-23 19:45:22	Tenkawa	looking at docs
2021-05-23 19:45:26	ManPigeons	special bloke.
2021-05-23 19:46:04	Tenkawa	been doing this for 41 years.. kinda tough being able to barely see color at all
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2021-05-23 19:47:01	Tenkawa	The red power LEDs indicate that the Pi has an active power supply
2021-05-23 19:47:10	Tenkawa	yep
2021-05-23 19:47:10	ManPigeons	Ayup.
2021-05-23 19:47:18	Tenkawa	confirmed
2021-05-23 19:47:22	ManPigeons	10-4
2021-05-23 19:48:01	Tenkawa	uh hoh
2021-05-23 19:48:12	Tenkawa	how many blinks did you say again?
2021-05-23 19:48:19	ManPigeons	like.. 7-9
2021-05-23 19:48:20	Tenkawa	I may have more info
2021-05-23 19:48:37	ManPigeons	I counted 8, but I have no clue if I started counting late.
2021-05-23 19:48:55	Tenkawa	how long has it been since you flashed firmware?
2021-05-23 19:49:43	ManPigeons	like, since today?
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2021-05-23 19:49:49	Tenkawa	I think your card/os is bad
2021-05-23 19:49:51	Tenkawa	7 flashes: kernel.img not found 8 flashes: SDRAM not recognised. You need newer bootcode.bin/start.elf firmware.
2021-05-23 19:50:18	Tenkawa	how did you build your install?
2021-05-23 19:50:36	ManPigeons	I just used the Pi Imager.
2021-05-23 19:50:51	Tenkawa	do you have another microsd card to test
2021-05-23 19:50:55	ManPigeons	You sure that's the case? I bought the card new.
2021-05-23 19:50:58	Tenkawa	to rule that out
2021-05-23 19:51:12	ManPigeons	Yeah sure, I need to format that one doe.
2021-05-23 19:51:26	Tenkawa	you shouldnt need to touch it
2021-05-23 19:51:42	ManPigeons	yeah, but this one is loaded with kali pi-0
2021-05-23 19:51:59	ManPigeons	don't know if that works on a pi-3
2021-05-23 19:52:26	Tenkawa	oh what model pi is this going on?
2021-05-23 19:52:26	ManPigeons	don't worry about it, i'll just format it because it's default stats anyway
2021-05-23 19:52:35	ManPigeons	the one i have trouble on rn
2021-05-23 19:52:37	ManPigeons	is 3B=
2021-05-23 19:52:40	ManPigeons	3B+
2021-05-23 19:52:49	Tenkawa	hmm... thats even more interesting then
2021-05-23 19:53:06	Tenkawa	those dont have eeprom's
2021-05-23 19:53:11	x0n^	Tenkawa: it's an attempt to build an ultra-paranoia-mode tamper proof system
2021-05-23 19:53:12	Tenkawa	only the 4's do
2021-05-23 19:53:31	Snert	there's only 2 things that can be changed. SD card and PSU.
2021-05-23 19:53:50	Tenkawa	x0n^: do you have anything in place to handle the power spike?
2021-05-23 19:53:54	Snert	in the way of low hanging fruit
2021-05-23 19:54:12	x0n^	Tenkawa: how do you mean?
2021-05-23 19:54:20	ManPigeons	We can rule the PSU out.
2021-05-23 19:55:00	Tenkawa	x0n^: when you pull the pull the power like you are doing it is not putting the unit in a cold state
2021-05-23 19:55:38	Tenkawa	it is still potentially active on some of the circuits of the soc
2021-05-23 19:56:30	x0n^	Tenkawa: I went by this: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1554203
2021-05-23 19:56:35	Tenkawa	the chances are minimal but they do exist
2021-05-23 19:56:42	x0n^	quote "GLOBAL_EN is connected to the PMIC. Connecting it to Gnd stops it working, so all power rails die."
2021-05-23 19:57:43	Tenkawa	you have the inline transistor et all?
2021-05-23 19:58:11	Tenkawa	if so then yes it will be safe
2021-05-23 19:58:34	x0n^	no transistor, just shorting it to gnd. why do you figure it's not safe?
2021-05-23 19:58:51	Tenkawa	it can still buffer voltage
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2021-05-23 19:59:54	ManPigeons	Is raspbian able to run on both 3B+ and 0W?
2021-05-23 19:59:59	Tenkawa	its like any circuit.. the hardest time on them besides heat is the power on and off
2021-05-23 20:00:31	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: that same build can run on all models
2021-05-23 20:00:34	x0n^	Tenkawa: you mean inline resistor then, not transistor?
2021-05-23 20:01:49	Tenkawa	second post from the bottom will explain in that thread
2021-05-23 20:02:06	Tenkawa	someone has already built and tested it
2021-05-23 20:03:14	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: they try to keep rpios agnostic to the hw as much as possible do it will keep supporting units as time progresses
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2021-05-23 20:05:34	ManPigeons	Aikona, that green light never stays stable and just keeps blinking
2021-05-23 20:05:40	Tenkawa	x0n^: admittedly I am rusty on it.. I stopped doing wiring fulltime 20 years ago ... I can't speak for these circuits...
2021-05-23 20:05:57	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: hmmm
2021-05-23 20:06:08	ManPigeons	we can rule SD card out
2021-05-23 20:06:10	ManPigeons	tried both now
2021-05-23 20:06:16	ManPigeons	PSU too
2021-05-23 20:06:23	Snert	and you have not put this pi on the wire yet?
2021-05-23 20:06:29	Tenkawa	x0n^: just dont wnt you damaging your hardware
2021-05-23 20:06:48	ManPigeons	I can try
2021-05-23 20:06:51	ManPigeons	but i dont want to use it for that
2021-05-23 20:06:57	Tenkawa	Snert: other thought too is the dload could be bad.. I was about to ask if he summed it
2021-05-23 20:06:58	ManPigeons	i want to use this one outdoors
2021-05-23 20:07:21	Snert	well, you'll not be using it for anything at this point.
2021-05-23 20:07:26	Snert	so try the wire.
2021-05-23 20:07:36	Snert	and see if the symptoms change
2021-05-23 20:07:53	Tenkawa	Snert: what wire?
2021-05-23 20:08:12	Snert	 e t h e r n e t
2021-05-23 20:08:34	Tenkawa	well those boot codes are pretty conclusive
2021-05-23 20:08:53	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: you do have a display hooked up right?
2021-05-23 20:09:04	Tenkawa	or is this headless?
2021-05-23 20:09:48	ManPigeons	I'm trying to run this headless
2021-05-23 20:09:54	ManPigeons	trying out that imager stuff
2021-05-23 20:10:03	ManPigeons	but slowly but surely, i feel betrayed and assassinated by it
2021-05-23 20:10:11	Tenkawa	heh
2021-05-23 20:10:16	Tenkawa	I hear ya
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2021-05-23 20:10:26	Snert	it has changed in the last 6months for sure
2021-05-23 20:10:35	ManPigeons	how stable is it?
2021-05-23 20:10:54	Tenkawa	its "something"
2021-05-23 20:11:04	x0n^	Tenkawa: what that guy is doing seems needlessly complicated for my use case and in the end, he's still shorting global_en to gnd like I do. don't see how this would improve things
2021-05-23 20:11:11	ManPigeons	i'm in a constant rage, on the verge of frenzy of this shite. I got the aggression of an MS13 member in my soul right now.
2021-05-23 20:11:13	 *	Tenkawa notes this is one of the reasons we wrote our own
2021-05-23 20:11:42	Tenkawa	x0n^: oh ok.. thanks for the clarification
2021-05-23 20:11:52	Snert	ManPigeons: makes me wanna strangle baby kittens
2021-05-23 20:12:09	ManPigeons	the duality of a raspberry pi user, a love and hate relationship i got with it
2021-05-23 20:12:10	 *	Tenkawa is also really sleepy because he hasn't ate yet
2021-05-23 20:12:19	x0n^	Tenkawa: you're confusing me. was that a sarcastic thanks? :D
2021-05-23 20:12:30	Tenkawa	x0n^: no no..
2021-05-23 20:12:43	Tenkawa	it was serious
2021-05-23 20:12:46	ManPigeons	can't even find this goddamn raspberry pi zero
2021-05-23 20:13:01	ManPigeons	starting on a raspberry pi project headless is a fucking joke i tell you
2021-05-23 20:13:20	Tenkawa	x0n^: I'm an electronics/hvac fanatic so I always like finding new stuff too
2021-05-23 20:13:46	 *	Tenkawa grew up in a family doing those 2 things
2021-05-23 20:14:06	ManPigeons	it's 02:13 am and i have been nmapping and loading distros non stop since 22:00
2021-05-23 20:14:11	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: I dont have a single one with display
2021-05-23 20:14:23	ManPigeons	the definition of insanity this it
2021-05-23 20:14:24	ManPigeons	is*
2021-05-23 20:14:32	ManPigeons	no i mean, starting off with a raspberry pi
2021-05-23 20:14:39	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: I have 8 PI4 class machines running as we speak
2021-05-23 20:15:03	ManPigeons	you all started off with them headless?
2021-05-23 20:15:10	Tenkawa	I did
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2021-05-23 20:15:16	ManPigeons	you're nuts.
2021-05-23 20:15:29	Tenkawa	I was a server admin for 20+ years
2021-05-23 20:15:36	Tenkawa	its second nature to me
2021-05-23 20:15:50	ManPigeons	20 goddamn years!? again, you're nuts.
2021-05-23 20:15:53	Tenkawa	lol
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2021-05-23 20:16:26	ManPigeons	how the hell do you start off headless
2021-05-23 20:17:38	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: are you going to be online tomorrow? if so I can show you very easily
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2021-05-23 20:18:01	ManPigeons	yeah, dont know what time though
2021-05-23 20:18:10	leftyfb	ManPigeons: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/headless.md
2021-05-23 20:18:21	Tenkawa	I'll be here about 8 AM eastern for most of the day
2021-05-23 20:18:26	 *	Tenkawa is retired
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2021-05-23 20:19:04	x0n^	Tenkawa: safe to say that by the year 2021, the people you find still on IRC tend to be of the curious sort ;)
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2021-05-23 20:19:19	Tenkawa	for now I'll bbiab... going afk to find dinner
2021-05-23 20:19:24	x0n^	o/
2021-05-23 20:19:34	Tenkawa	x0n^: I should know... I'm here lol
2021-05-23 20:20:06	 *	Tenkawa has been on irc since 1993 rofl
2021-05-23 20:20:22	Snert	is that all? :)
2021-05-23 20:20:34	Tenkawa	Snert: no inet where I lived
2021-05-23 20:20:40	Snert	good excuse!
2021-05-23 20:20:42	leftyfb	Tenkawa: about the same here, not sure if it was 93 or 94 though
2021-05-23 20:20:45	Tenkawa	I lived in a swamp
2021-05-23 20:20:49	Tenkawa	literally
2021-05-23 20:21:32	ManPigeons	leftyfb: I did exactly that my friend
2021-05-23 20:22:12	Tenkawa	I've had a server on some iteration of linpeople/openprojects/freenode/etc all the way up to this new net it split on though
2021-05-23 20:22:27	ManPigeons	is it normal that 'ssh' and wpa_sup are not in the boot dir when i load it up with pi imager?
2021-05-23 20:22:28	Tenkawa	but I'm out of that game now
2021-05-23 20:22:34	x0n^	ohnoes it's pulling you back in!11
2021-05-23 20:22:41	ManPigeons	Tenkawa: whaddaya do now for a livin?
2021-05-23 20:23:16	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: when not in lockdown I volunteer at local senior centers fixing computers
2021-05-23 20:23:34	Tenkawa	but I can only do that remotely currently
2021-05-23 20:23:57	leftyfb	ManPigeons: Mind you, I'm pretty sure this only applies to RaspiOS.
2021-05-23 20:24:00	ManPigeons	is that just an excuse for saying that you fix your own computers
2021-05-23 20:24:26	ManPigeons	leftyfb: the link you sent? or that there is no ssh and wpa_sup?
2021-05-23 20:24:28	Tenkawa	ManPigeons: no.. I live in one of the most locked down areas of the usa
2021-05-23 20:24:59	leftyfb	ManPigeons: wpa_sup
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2021-05-23 20:26:00	Tenkawa	I also only regained the ability to drive 2 weeks before lockdown (epilepsy) and at that point when I was going to start looking for a car I said... why bother.. nowhere to go use it..
2021-05-23 20:26:59	Tenkawa	ok.. really afk this time.. bbiab
2021-05-23 20:27:02	leftyfb	ManPigeons: personally, I use ubuntu server on all of my pi's these days. Which is easily setup headless by mounting the sd card and modifying the netplan yaml for ethernet.
2021-05-23 20:27:30	ManPigeons	does that wpa_sup and ssh trick in the boot folder work on Ubuntu Server?
2021-05-23 20:28:25	leftyfb	ManPigeons: ubuntu server doesn't have wpa_supplicant installed by default
2021-05-23 20:29:11	leftyfb	I take that back, I do have a pi running raspbian over wireless
2021-05-23 20:30:14	ManPigeons	i'm absolutely fuming.
2021-05-23 20:30:28	ManPigeons	anyone knows if the kali has wpa_supplicant installed by default?
2021-05-23 20:30:30	ManPigeons	yea right?
2021-05-23 20:32:02	leftyfb	ManPigeons: what are you doing messing with kali linux if you don't know how to figure these sorts of things out?
2021-05-23 20:32:12	Snert	have a beverage come back to it later
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2021-05-23 20:32:55	ManPigeons	what? oh, no, i just use kali because it has most tools pre-installed on there
2021-05-23 20:34:41	leftyfb	btw, this is what my only raspbian pi is doing (I've updated it a bit since the video was shot) https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipNahPWFaowwEYLd0MvVXbO1v2rxK8PUtIaH8Ul2
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2021-05-23 20:50:28	leftyfb	Hey gordonDrogon RaTTuS|BIG , there's been at least one instance of "new management" taking over control of channel registration in retaliation of moving off of Freenode. If you plan on moving, I would recommend doing so soon.
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2021-05-23 21:19:43	Shaun	they've actually changed their policies to allow that now
2021-05-23 21:20:32	leftyfb	Shaun: to allow commandeering a channel's registration?
2021-05-23 21:20:40	Shaun	yup.  https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/pull/513/commits/2037126831a84c57f978268f090fc663cf43ed7a
2021-05-23 21:20:56	leftyfb	Shaun: right, that's what I'm concerned about
2021-05-23 21:21:13	Shaun	and to be clear, I'm not defending that at all.  just very interesting that the result of getting called out on it was to add it to the rules
2021-05-23 21:24:20	leftyfb	either way, everyone should be working as hard as they can to move off of this sinking ship as soon as time and resources permit. It only seems to be getting worse
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2021-05-23 21:31:55	leftyfb	with that, see you all on the other side
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2021-05-24 19:27:13	kernelpanic	Hi all! What's the best way to test kernel >=5.11.1 on my CM4? I just installed rpi os 32bit on a 16gb sd card, but only have 5.10.17.
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2021-05-24 19:55:48	Tenkawa	kernelpanic: elaborate
2021-05-24 19:56:21	Tenkawa	do you just want to overwrite and upgrade?
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2021-05-24 20:01:53	Tenkawa	I'm running 5.12.5 on mine currently
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2021-05-24 20:20:51	RipFreenode[llf]	SUPPORT LLF (LET'S LEAVE FREENODE) BY ONLY WRITING IN CAPSLOCK FROM NOW. ADD [llf] TO YOUR NICK!
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2021-05-24 20:21:36	yuta	OKAY
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2021-05-24 20:30:09	kernelpanic	Tenkawa, thanks for your reply! I just want to test 5.11/5.12, don't care about how persistent it'll be on the SD card. Whatever is quicker. How did you do that? Built it yourself?
2021-05-24 20:32:10	yuta	kernelpanic, please continue at libera.chat
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2021-05-24 20:44:05	kernelpanic	yuta, I heard about the leaving-freenode thing. Is there consensus in this channel? Looks like there's still a lot of people here?
2021-05-24 20:44:45	yuta	maybe , yes kernelpanic , many people are in libera , too.
2021-05-24 20:45:18	yuta	Tenkawa is there , too :)
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2021-05-24 20:49:07	kernelpanic	yuta, looks like someone registered my nickname, which I've had for the last 20 years. There's no fix to that, is there?
2021-05-24 20:49:19	yuta	lool
2021-05-24 20:49:21	yuta	XD
2021-05-24 20:49:33	yuta	register new!
2021-05-24 20:49:52	yuta	I am lucky , same nick.
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2021-05-24 21:04:41	x0n^	yuta: is that IRC or webchat?
2021-05-24 21:05:05	yuta	x0n^, irc
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2021-05-24 21:05:23	x0n^	oh, just reading the wiki article
2021-05-24 21:05:27	x0n^	DRAAAAMAAAAA!!!111
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2021-05-24 21:10:40	yuta	kernelpanic, anyway , Tenkawa is also here.
2021-05-24 21:10:48	yuta	you can talk here.
2021-05-24 21:11:11	yuta	you can talk with him here and I am not operator , sorry.
2021-05-24 21:11:19	yuta	or not admin.
2021-05-24 21:11:24	yuta	of this room.
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2021-05-25 02:57:13	password2	\o
2021-05-25 02:57:33	password2	why is the rpi4 stil expensive and rare?
2021-05-25 02:57:42	Armand	It is neither.
2021-05-25 02:57:44	Armand	NEXT!
2021-05-25 02:57:55	password2	$70 locally
2021-05-25 02:58:00	password2	most places are sold out
2021-05-25 02:58:18	Armand	1. That's not "expensive". 2. Look further afield.
2021-05-25 02:58:32	password2	oh i looked further $100
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2021-05-25 02:58:49	password2	i love rpi but man their supply chain is shit
2021-05-25 02:58:59	Armand	/topic
2021-05-25 02:59:17	password2	ok
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2021-05-25 03:02:05	password2	family friendly is very relative
2021-05-25 03:02:46	Armand	Bad pun is bad.
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2021-05-25 03:02:57	password2	it was not a pun but ok
2021-05-25 03:03:04	Armand	¬_¬
2021-05-25 03:03:10	password2	aparently kids may not hear the word shit?
2021-05-25 03:03:20	Armand	Ok.. in the specific context, No.. It Isn't.
2021-05-25 03:03:24	password2	here thats perfectly acceptible
2021-05-25 03:03:36	 *	Armand shrugs and walks away
2021-05-25 03:03:36	password2	then why does the rules not sy that
2021-05-25 03:03:42	password2	it says Excessive swearing
2021-05-25 03:04:15	password2	but any case
2021-05-25 03:04:21	password2	WHERES MAH RPI4
2021-05-25 03:04:39	 *	password2 wants rpi4 but is not prepared to pay $70
2021-05-25 03:04:49	x0n^	may I help you, sir?
2021-05-25 03:05:06	Armand	Doubtful.
2021-05-25 03:07:14	artok	world of economy, demand and supply
2021-05-25 03:07:26	password2	x0n^ hwo will you be able to help?
2021-05-25 03:07:35	password2	theres a massive demand
2021-05-25 03:07:51	artok	that makes it rare
2021-05-25 03:08:01	password2	RPI foundation has just always artificially limited supply
2021-05-25 03:08:12	Armand	False assertion is false.
2021-05-25 03:08:33	artok	sure, making another factory could solve things but then you would complain about price
2021-05-25 03:08:44	password2	name onetime , except for the pico , where there was not limitations on qty you can buy for an rpi
2021-05-25 03:08:44	Armand	Obvs.
2021-05-25 03:08:57	Armand	password2: Every time.
2021-05-25 03:09:13	password2	yeah everytime they did the only one per customer thing
2021-05-25 03:09:20	password2	sometimes for years
2021-05-25 03:09:24	Armand	Not seen that.
2021-05-25 03:09:42	Armand	Ok, seen Pi Zero W with purchase limits, in the US.
2021-05-25 03:09:42	password2	its not jsut me
2021-05-25 03:09:53	Armand	... not that I buy from the US.
2021-05-25 03:09:57	password2	rpi1 , 2 3 , 4 all had supply issues
2021-05-25 03:10:04	Armand	.... to get a lower tax rate.
2021-05-25 03:10:09	 *	Armand coughs
2021-05-25 03:10:23	password2	i know people that completely stopped using rpi because of this poopoo
2021-05-25 03:10:41	password2	lower tax rate?
2021-05-25 03:10:41	x0n^	password2: it's what people say to signal that someone is misbehaving in the context of their environment. did it work?
2021-05-25 03:10:59	password2	huh?
2021-05-25 03:11:14	x0n^	never mind, carry on
2021-05-25 03:11:19	password2	lol
2021-05-25 03:11:21	password2	ok
2021-05-25 03:11:45	Armand	password2: Yes.. 7% in NJ, compared to 20% in the UK.
2021-05-25 03:12:03	Armand	I think NJ is 7.. unless they changed it?
2021-05-25 03:12:04	password2	heh
2021-05-25 03:12:10	password2	so you ship from ther?
2021-05-25 03:12:18	password2	NJ being ?
2021-05-25 03:12:25	password2	New Jealand?
2021-05-25 03:12:27	password2	:P
2021-05-25 03:12:32	Armand	...
2021-05-25 03:15:53	password2	oh lol i thought you was tuping
2021-05-25 03:16:08	password2	because webchat display ... when someone is typing
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2021-05-25 03:17:40	x0n^	password2: type in your password and everyone else will see it as *****
2021-05-25 03:17:52	password2	lol
2021-05-25 03:17:58	password2	I've never heard that one before
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2021-05-25 03:24:21	password2	not even RS components have the rpi4 2GB version
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2021-05-25 03:50:43	TheBigK	is there going to me an official move to libera chat? or will there be a split between those channels?
2021-05-25 03:50:50	password2	aarrggggg
2021-05-25 03:51:01	password2	digikey has rpi 4b 2g for $35
2021-05-25 03:51:07	password2	on back order
2021-05-25 03:53:03	GeekOfflineNL	libera ?
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2021-05-25 03:55:32	TheBigK	https://libera.chat
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2021-05-25 03:57:04	GeekOfflineNL	ah i see
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2021-05-25 04:12:25	GeekOfflineNL	found it
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2021-05-25 04:28:53	x0n^	why would you get a pi4 with 2gb? double or nothing you say? i'd rather have nothing
2021-05-25 04:29:01	x0n^	go for broke. 8gig or bust
2021-05-25 04:30:54	password2	thats asspensive
2021-05-25 04:31:11	flav0r	https://www.banggood.com/150g-Yellow-Paste-Advance-Quality-Solder-Flux-Soldering-Paste-High-Intensity-Free-Rosin-p-1315074.html
2021-05-25 04:31:16	flav0r	i used some of this shit today
2021-05-25 04:31:20	flav0r	pain in the ass to clean !
2021-05-25 04:31:22	password2	i doubt i need more than 2gb if i am running just node
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2021-05-25 05:55:27	x0n^	oh, the drama is out in all its glory. brought to you by.... #ubuntu
2021-05-25 05:55:33	x0n^	https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
2021-05-25 05:55:51	x0n^	or rather: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2021-May/001923.html
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2021-05-25 10:20:53	Tenkawa	clever: I'm trying to do some work on my CM4 and the eeprom seems to be stuck in write protect... have y ou run across this?
2021-05-25 10:21:59	Tenkawa	I found the thread that shouldve ran the pieeprom.bin directly to it and it didnt error however it still comes back with the old date
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2021-05-25 10:22:29	Tenkawa	(the eeprom was signed et all with the script)
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2021-05-25 10:32:30	clever	Tenkawa: there is a jumper on the io board to set the write protect pin
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2021-05-25 10:32:52	Tenkawa	yeah..
2021-05-25 10:33:08	clever	Tenkawa: is that jumper open or closed?
2021-05-25 10:33:09	Tenkawa	OH
2021-05-25 10:33:18	Tenkawa	is it labelled wrong?
2021-05-25 10:33:33	clever	closing that jumper will write-protect
2021-05-25 10:33:42	Tenkawa	its not jumpered
2021-05-25 10:33:44	clever	it should be open to re-flash
2021-05-25 10:33:53	clever	what exactly is recovery.bin saying over the uart?
2021-05-25 10:34:13	Tenkawa	the only one I jumper is when I needed to flash the emmc
2021-05-25 10:34:28	clever	that jumper is also used to reflash the spi
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2021-05-25 10:34:39	Tenkawa	it did the 4-5 line updating etc like it should
2021-05-25 10:34:52	Tenkawa	let me see if I still have scrollback
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2021-05-25 10:35:27	Tenkawa	darn no... let me rerun it again
2021-05-25 10:35:36	Tenkawa	just a sec
2021-05-25 10:35:50	clever	and where is the script for signing the eeprom? ive never seen one publicly released
2021-05-25 10:36:36	Tenkawa	its the update-pieeprom.sh one
2021-05-25 10:36:45	clever	that doesnt sign anything
2021-05-25 10:36:52	clever	it just updates the bootconf.txt inside the bin file
2021-05-25 10:36:56	Tenkawa	it creates a sig
2021-05-25 10:37:09	clever	that file is named poorly
2021-05-25 10:37:11	clever	its a hash of the file
2021-05-25 10:37:16	clever	so corrupt files can be detected
2021-05-25 10:37:26	Tenkawa	well thats still a signature
2021-05-25 10:37:45	clever	there is another signature involved as well, where the keys have never been released publicly
2021-05-25 10:37:49	Tenkawa	doesnt mean its "altering" files
2021-05-25 10:38:03	Tenkawa	but it "is" a validation method
2021-05-25 10:38:09	clever	yeah
2021-05-25 10:38:20	Tenkawa	just a sec. let me rerun this
2021-05-25 10:38:43	Tenkawa	double vision
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2021-05-25 13:40:00	Slamz	is there a way to resize parititon from windows? everything else except raspbian makes tiny home partitions
2021-05-25 13:40:14	Slamz	*root partitions
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2021-05-25 13:52:12	artok	gparted
2021-05-25 13:53:39	Syliss_	tiny home partitions sounds like a good alias tho
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2021-05-25 15:32:34	JakeSays	hey does anyone know of an rtos that runs on the pi and supports usb?
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2021-05-25 15:43:49	Tenkawa	JakeSays: you can look at this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChibiOS/RT
2021-05-25 15:44:04	Tenkawa	the better question is what are you trying to achieve?
2021-05-25 15:44:24	Tenkawa	the pi does not have the low level io to be a RT platform
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2021-05-25 15:45:35	JakeSays	Tenkawa: what do you mean by low level?
2021-05-25 15:46:20	Tenkawa	JakeSays: the hardware platform itself can never be made to perform at a capacity to be realtime
2021-05-25 15:46:41	Tenkawa	there's too much bus latency
2021-05-25 15:46:49	JakeSays	Tenkawa: ah. i dont need real time semantics, just an os that gets out of the way
2021-05-25 15:47:01	Tenkawa	ahh
2021-05-25 15:47:16	Tenkawa	so just low overhead
2021-05-25 15:47:41	JakeSays	i need to have full control over usb
2021-05-25 15:47:59	Tenkawa	usb is shared so keep that in mind
2021-05-25 15:48:05	Tenkawa	on the pi
2021-05-25 15:48:17	JakeSays	i know
2021-05-25 15:48:42	Tenkawa	if you tune some of the sysctl there you can speed it up a lot
2021-05-25 15:48:47	JakeSays	well, when i say full control, what i mean is i need full control over hid devices
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2021-05-25 15:48:56	Tenkawa	exactly
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2021-05-25 15:49:13	Tenkawa	turn some of the power settings like savings off
2021-05-25 15:49:26	Tenkawa	then it runs smoother
2021-05-25 15:49:36	Snert	or maybe switch to arduino
2021-05-25 15:49:49	Snert	or another like platform
2021-05-25 15:49:50	JakeSays	Snert: i need multiple usb host ports
2021-05-25 15:50:26	Tenkawa	Snert: oh hey.. did you see whaat clever help me get working?
2021-05-25 15:50:29	Tenkawa	er what
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2021-05-25 15:50:45	Snert	no what's the deal
2021-05-25 15:50:57	Tenkawa	the CM4 eeprom update is done
2021-05-25 15:51:07	JakeSays	unless you guys know of a way to get linux to not bind to a usb keyboard
2021-05-25 15:51:11	Tenkawa	may have found a bug in the process
2021-05-25 15:51:54	Tenkawa	JakeSays: yeah you can tell udev I think to reject it
2021-05-25 15:52:02	JakeSays	oh??
2021-05-25 15:52:10	JakeSays	hmm
2021-05-25 15:52:18	Tenkawa	it has a usbid so it should be rejectable
2021-05-25 15:52:24	Snert	Tenkawa: you lost me back when the shin bone connected to the thigh bone :)
2021-05-25 15:53:01	Tenkawa	Snert: I couldnt get the CM4 eeprom to update.. it wouldnt update by "normal" procedure
2021-05-25 15:53:06	Snert	eeproms are mysteries to me
2021-05-25 15:53:12	Tenkawa	(even for cm's)
2021-05-25 15:53:19	JakeSays	Tenkawa: that would be too convenient. lol
2021-05-25 15:53:31	Tenkawa	one other person is having same problem
2021-05-25 15:53:50	Tenkawa	we used the old way of doing it and that worked
2021-05-25 15:54:27	Tenkawa	this thing is neat
2021-05-25 15:55:04	Snert	see? OldPharts doing it The Old Way - Trickery and subterfuge beats youth and enthusiasm every time :)
2021-05-25 15:55:12	Tenkawa	yup
2021-05-25 15:55:13	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-25 15:55:26	Tenkawa	got the old part right
2021-05-25 15:55:28	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-25 15:55:41	Tenkawa	(at least for me)
2021-05-25 15:55:55	Tenkawa	and I think you said you were there with me right?
2021-05-25 15:56:13	Tenkawa	or are you a young one?
2021-05-25 15:56:43	Tenkawa	and omg its hot again!!!!!
2021-05-25 15:57:11	Tenkawa	going from hot to strong storms next... yippie
2021-05-25 15:57:31	Snert	I just retired so I qualify
2021-05-25 15:57:57	Tenkawa	yeah... finally looking forward to getting back on my bike next week
2021-05-25 15:58:10	Tenkawa	( I hope)
2021-05-25 15:58:25	Tenkawa	recumbant trike
2021-05-25 15:58:41	Tenkawa	we got great bike trails here
2021-05-25 15:58:49	Snert	ride it while ya can
2021-05-25 15:59:02	Tenkawa	oh?
2021-05-25 15:59:21	Snert	one day you won't be able to
2021-05-25 15:59:37	Tenkawa	I'm getting better physicly as I get older..
2021-05-25 15:59:42	Tenkawa	oddly enough
2021-05-25 15:59:49	Tenkawa	its my memory thats going
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2021-05-25 16:01:05	Tenkawa	wow my hometown is about to get blasted by storms.. looking at country radar
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2021-05-25 16:01:31	Tenkawa	I was there for too many close calls
2021-05-25 16:01:48	Snert	yes, tornado season is upon us
2021-05-25 16:02:02	Tenkawa	indeed
2021-05-25 16:02:14	Snert	we dont get those here but it's still scary
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2021-05-25 16:02:39	Tenkawa	were you here when I mentioned (probably more than once) my hometown was hit by one when I was growing up
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2021-05-25 16:03:09	Snert	no. did you lose everything?
2021-05-25 16:03:15	Tenkawa	being in that area though... they are ultra prepared
2021-05-25 16:03:19	Tenkawa	fortunately no
2021-05-25 16:03:33	Tenkawa	quarter of the town was destroyed though
2021-05-25 16:03:46	Tenkawa	no lives lost
2021-05-25 16:04:01	Snert	trailers we called tornado bait
2021-05-25 16:04:06	Tenkawa	yep
2021-05-25 16:04:14	Tenkawa	grew up in trailers
2021-05-25 16:04:22	Tenkawa	scary as it could be
2021-05-25 16:04:47	Tenkawa	soon as we heard sirens... ran next door to my neighbors house
2021-05-25 16:04:59	Tenkawa	thank goodness they were family
2021-05-25 16:05:00	Tenkawa	:)
2021-05-25 16:05:12	Snert	they had the underground?
2021-05-25 16:05:18	Snert	or just basement
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2021-05-25 16:05:28	Tenkawa	no.. but it was solid constructed house
2021-05-25 16:05:47	Tenkawa	not a trailer
2021-05-25 16:06:28	Snert	but ya made it and you're here to help and tell about it :)
2021-05-25 16:06:39	Tenkawa	indeed
2021-05-25 16:06:54	Snert	so life is good in spote of all the bad compiles :)
2021-05-25 16:07:01	Tenkawa	yep
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2021-05-25 16:10:37	x0n^	you muricans are funny. build wooden house - first little piggy (quake) fails to blow it down. second little piggy comes and you still insist on wood
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2021-05-25 16:12:06	Snert	we're bad. California can't lose the fires either
2021-05-25 16:12:23	Snert	every year californy burns
2021-05-25 16:12:31	Syliss_	yep, im from cali too
2021-05-25 16:12:35	Syliss_	and i got burned out
2021-05-25 16:12:50	Syliss_	literally
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2021-05-25 16:13:00	Snert	I wonder if they ever notice that whatever burned last year doesn't burn this year.
2021-05-25 16:13:18	Syliss_	not always the case
2021-05-25 16:13:33	Syliss_	what ever gets put out, sometimes burns again the next year
2021-05-25 16:14:13	Snert	metal roofs would stop alot of it
2021-05-25 16:14:27	Syliss_	didnt matter when paradise burned
2021-05-25 16:14:54	Syliss_	metal or not, it heated the windows, then went in that way
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2021-05-25 16:15:55	Syliss_	its really a cluster anyways. Proper management is the issue.
2021-05-25 16:16:13	Snert	are the leaf lickers in the way?
2021-05-25 16:16:33	Syliss_	idk, i moved, tho oregon burned a bit last year too
2021-05-25 16:17:00	Tenkawa	but x0n^.. you are also assuming I am from the states
2021-05-25 16:17:06	Syliss_	lots of people forget that fire in forests are normal and a way for more to come back and seed
2021-05-25 16:17:16	Tenkawa	and just havent lived here a long time
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2021-05-25 16:18:50	Snert	Syliss_: oh yes. And fuck us for building without adequate precautions in places where it's sposed to burn.
2021-05-25 16:18:59	Tenkawa	(granted if he remembers the convo from last night.. I am)
2021-05-25 16:19:50	Syliss_	just need to do proper care and it would be fine.
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2021-05-25 16:20:08	Snert	for sure
2021-05-25 16:20:20	Syliss_	even with enough spacing, thats not gonna stop stuff from floating
2021-05-25 16:20:25	Tenkawa	us.. do proper precautions and maint??
2021-05-25 16:20:31	Tenkawa	how could we!!!
2021-05-25 16:20:37	Syliss_	ikr Tenkawa
2021-05-25 16:20:39	Tenkawa	no....
2021-05-25 16:20:59	Syliss_	Try dealing with the whole PG&E, its stupid af
2021-05-25 16:21:04	Tenkawa	we would be setting expectations
2021-05-25 16:21:13	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-25 16:21:20	Syliss_	hopefully its done sooner than later
2021-05-25 16:21:24	Tenkawa	heheh
2021-05-25 16:21:35	Syliss_	im tired of waiting
2021-05-25 16:22:29	unixbsd	I am too tired of waiting
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2021-05-25 16:22:49	Syliss_	lol
2021-05-25 16:22:49	unixbsd	linux is sooooo slow on raspberry. does rapbian make it by purpose to use systemd and make a slow linux system?
2021-05-25 16:23:02	Syliss_	prolly
2021-05-25 16:23:06	Tenkawa	I would be except I know how people are acting right now and I  dont want to be around them here
2021-05-25 16:23:06	unixbsd	Why not using NetBSD instead of Linux for raspbian ???
2021-05-25 16:23:13	Syliss_	are u using sd card or usb boot?
2021-05-25 16:23:23	unixbsd	raspbian would be so much faster running netbsd than linux...
2021-05-25 16:23:36	Syliss_	then use that?
2021-05-25 16:24:05	unixbsd	I use multiboot to boot either netbsd or raspbian.
2021-05-25 16:24:19	unixbsd	my netbsd runs on SSD on raspberry pi rpi3b.
2021-05-25 16:24:49	unixbsd	It is then as fast as a normal notebook, netbsd + ssd makes huge difference
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2021-05-25 16:25:14	 *	craigevil runs rpios on ssd
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2021-05-25 16:25:26	Tenkawa	netbsd is the slowest of the 3 bsd's
2021-05-25 16:25:38	unixbsd	Tenkawa: wrong, it is openbsd
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2021-05-25 16:25:42	craigevil	Linux raspberrypi 5.10.39-v8+ #1421 SMP PREEMPT Tue May 25 11:04:26 BST 2021 aarch64 GNU/Linux
2021-05-25 16:25:42	Tenkawa	freebsd + openbsd run circles around it
2021-05-25 16:25:51	Tenkawa	unixbsd: not on the pi
2021-05-25 16:25:53	unixbsd	netbsd is very fast one, faster than linux
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2021-05-25 16:26:28	Tenkawa	netbsd tries to run on too many things
2021-05-25 16:26:30	Tenkawa	haahaa
2021-05-25 16:26:35	Tenkawa	faster than linux
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2021-05-25 16:27:02	unixbsd	Tenkawa: sure, try with a harddisk, you will see
2021-05-25 16:27:28	x0n^	Tenkawa: you're always online, so yes
2021-05-25 16:28:04	Tenkawa	x0n^: yeah
2021-05-25 16:28:17	Tenkawa	you and I talked about my travelling from here I think
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2021-05-25 16:28:31	Tenkawa	so I knew you knew where I wasfrom
2021-05-25 16:28:32	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-25 16:28:59	Ademan	hopefully not too offtopic, but are there any inexpensive pi4 cases that integrate a sata controller for attaching (and powering) a SSD? I'm struggling to find anything <$50 which may just mean my price expectations are out of whack lol
2021-05-25 16:29:14	Tenkawa	Ademan: whats your budget?
2021-05-25 16:29:20	Tenkawa	oh
2021-05-25 16:29:25	Tenkawa	doh didnt see <50
2021-05-25 16:29:29	Tenkawa	er doh
2021-05-25 16:29:34	Tenkawa	got glare
2021-05-25 16:29:45	Tenkawa	just a sec
2021-05-25 16:29:51	Ademan	Tenkawa: I'd be happy with <$75 for a complete solution tbh (slap my pi and ssd in and go)
2021-05-25 16:30:17	x0n^	Tenkawa: i honestly don't much care. for me you're that guy from the internets :)
2021-05-25 16:30:48	Tenkawa	x0n^: I know.. I was just veing funny
2021-05-25 16:30:49	x0n^	but you talking about living in trailers gave it away. mobiles homes are *so* american...
2021-05-25 16:30:58	Tenkawa	indeed lol
2021-05-25 16:31:22	Tenkawa	Ademan: if you had a m.2 drive I had a perfect sugggestion
2021-05-25 16:31:29	Tenkawa	sata is a bit harder
2021-05-25 16:31:36	Tenkawa	er ssd
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2021-05-25 16:32:16	unixbsd	Tenkawa: check by yourself... "https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/armv7m/-/raw/master/v1/armv7m.img.gz"  9.1, or take the ftp netbsd.
2021-05-25 16:33:15	Ademan	Tenkawa: I'm interested
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2021-05-25 16:33:52	Tenkawa	Ademan: argon40 m.2 case
2021-05-25 16:33:56	Tenkawa	I use one
2021-05-25 16:34:00	Tenkawa	its great
2021-05-25 16:34:06	Tenkawa	argon40 argon one
2021-05-25 16:34:13	Ademan	the premium on m.2 drives over 2.5" drives seems to be lower than I thought it was
2021-05-25 16:34:33	Ademan	thanks I'll check it out!
2021-05-25 16:34:50	Tenkawa	https://www.argon40.com/argon-one-m-2-case-for-raspberry-pi-4.html
2021-05-25 16:35:13	Ademan	just noticed it says passive cooling, how's the heat?'
2021-05-25 16:35:16	Tenkawa	yeah it works great.. I bought mine locally at microcenter
2021-05-25 16:35:23	Tenkawa	no.. its fanned
2021-05-25 16:35:26	Ademan	wait... it also says 30mm fan
2021-05-25 16:35:32	Ademan	weird ok lol
2021-05-25 16:35:45	Tenkawa	whisper quiet too
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2021-05-25 16:35:51	Tenkawa	and pwm controlled
2021-05-25 16:36:16	Tenkawa	I like having a local toy store
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2021-05-25 16:36:58	Tenkawa	unixbsd: thats not even 64 bit
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2021-05-25 16:37:12	Ademan	not in love with the styling but at that price it's really hard to complain, thanks Tenkawa !
2021-05-25 16:37:23	Tenkawa	or armv8
2021-05-25 16:37:41	Tenkawa	you need to compare apples to apples on hardware capabilities
2021-05-25 16:38:15	Tenkawa	Ademan: actually you would be surprised... its a lot more sleek in person
2021-05-25 16:38:22	Tenkawa	especially being meta;
2021-05-25 16:38:29	Tenkawa	er metal
2021-05-25 16:38:44	Tenkawa	(the top anyway)
2021-05-25 16:39:04	Tenkawa	just glad it doesnt have a led going back and forth the top
2021-05-25 16:39:19	Tenkawa	I might have cylon nightmares
2021-05-25 16:39:20	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-25 16:39:34	unixbsd	I made a little screenshot of the desktop, sexy of the model b rpi3b... https://i.postimg.cc/vHNsKSGV/desktop-raspberry-pi-netbsd-turbo.png
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2021-05-25 16:40:20	Tenkawa	I have to keep my 8 node cluster locked up right now so my cats dont get too curious
2021-05-25 16:40:28	Tenkawa	these things have so many leds
2021-05-25 16:40:28	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-25 16:40:29	x0n^	blah, why pick a case with a fan? it *will* start making sounds. the smaller, the earlier...
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2021-05-25 16:40:51	Tenkawa	x0n^: had this one for 2 months now not a peep
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2021-05-25 16:41:13	Tenkawa	just needs proper maintenance
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2021-05-25 16:41:54	Tenkawa	if it does start whining.. I have a source to replace the fan for 4USD
2021-05-25 16:42:45	Tenkawa	my tower the 5 cluster compilers are in has been going for 6 months with no fan issues
2021-05-25 16:42:59	Tenkawa	er with the
2021-05-25 16:43:37	Ademan	I guess newer raspberry pi firmwares allow direct booting from USB? Anyone know if pi 4s are shipping from the factory with that firmware now?
2021-05-25 16:44:46	Tenkawa	they "should" be
2021-05-25 16:45:22	Tenkawa	if not the rpi tool on windows/linux to update the firmware can fix that in 5 minutes
2021-05-25 16:45:32	Tenkawa	 /mac
2021-05-25 16:45:34	Ademan	haha, that's what I was afraid of. Plus you never know when you order from somebody what batch you're getting
2021-05-25 16:46:10	Tenkawa	all 6 +pi 400 + cm4 of mine can boot from USB
2021-05-25 16:46:23	Tenkawa	I dont use microsd at all anymore
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2021-05-25 16:52:10	Encrypt	unixbsd, I personally use i3wm on my computer. I guess you know what it is? :P
2021-05-25 16:53:31	x0n^	I have about 16 30mm fans in the drawer. ripped them all out of "mobile rack" units
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2021-05-25 16:54:13	x0n^	who even builds a fan into a mobile rack? if you're stacking hdds you better have some cooling going already... not like a 30mm fan will help
2021-05-25 16:54:20	Ademan	what's the "rpi tool" the raspi-config in raspbian or something else?
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2021-05-25 19:01:00	Dr-007	hello, i messed up my sudoers file and cant gain root anymore. so im trying to boot the pi into recovery mode by holder/repeatedly pressing the shift key on boot, but this has no effect. i tried with 2 keyboards. can i modify the boot/cmdline.txt or boot/config.txt files to startup into recovery mode?
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2021-05-25 19:06:45	Dr-007	hmm, i got into rescue mode by appending S to cmdline.txt
2021-05-25 19:06:59	Dr-007	but now it says "cannot open access to console, the root account is locked"
2021-05-25 19:07:42	Dr-007	press enter to continue, and when i do so it proceeds to start default target and ends up in the login screen
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2021-05-25 19:27:40	Dr-007	mmkay i had to prepend init=/bin/sh and NOT add S. which is confusing since adding S without init=/bin/sh made it goto rescue mode so i kinda figured it should stay inthere..
2021-05-25 19:27:47	Dr-007	anyways, all good again
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2021-05-25 19:30:20	Dr-007	and i should keep in mind to edit sudoers with visudo :p. have done it for ages without visudo, but boy when it goes wrong it sucks..
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2021-05-25 20:00:53	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
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2021-05-25 23:34:11	JakeSays	is there a way to have the pi boot to something other than a login?
2021-05-25 23:35:05	JakeSays	like just a blank screen or something
2021-05-25 23:39:16	JakeSays	lol i think 007 answered my question for me
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2021-05-25 23:46:30	JakeSays	lol maybe not
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2021-05-25 23:49:50	c0rnelius	sudo systemctl disable getty@tty1.service ?
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2021-05-26 03:07:07	Solarbaby	I did a fresh install of raspbian lite on my pi 3..  Im not sure what software is needed to install the onboard sound device
2021-05-26 03:07:27	Solarbaby	I'll be using the 3.5 head phone jack
2021-05-26 03:08:50	clever	Solarbaby: it should just work, check /proc/asound/cards ?
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2021-05-26 03:13:09	Solarbaby	clever, no such directory
2021-05-26 03:13:36	clever	Solarbaby: does `lsmod` show any snd related modules?
2021-05-26 03:14:08	Solarbaby	sudo lsmod shows no modules at all
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2021-05-26 03:14:42	Solarbaby	als alsamixer doesn't load
2021-05-26 03:15:00	Solarbaby	I didn't install xwindows or any of that this is a very small raspbian lite install
2021-05-26 03:15:16	clever	Solarbaby: that sounds more like your kernel and rootfs are out of sync
2021-05-26 03:15:23	Solarbaby	aha
2021-05-26 03:15:35	clever	Solarbaby: what does `uname -a` and `ls /lib/modules/` report?
2021-05-26 03:16:11	Solarbaby	Linux raspberrypi 5.4.79-v7+ #1373 SMP Mon Nov 23 13:22:33 GMT 2020 armv7l GNU/Linux
2021-05-26 03:16:35	Solarbaby	5.10.17+  5.10.17-v7+  5.10.17-v7l+  5.10.17-v8+
2021-05-26 03:17:17	clever	yep, your kernel is several versions behind
2021-05-26 03:17:17	clever	try an `apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade` ?
2021-05-26 03:17:19	clever	and then reboot, and check lsmod again
2021-05-26 03:17:20	Solarbaby	I've done that.. weird
2021-05-26 03:17:25	Solarbaby	I'll do it again
2021-05-26 03:17:58	Solarbaby	everything is already updated so it said
2021-05-26 03:19:41	clever	Solarbaby: hmmm, what does `dpkg -l | grep kernel` return?
2021-05-26 03:20:58	Solarbaby	did you want me to use a paste site?
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2021-05-26 03:21:28	clever	Solarbaby: yeah
2021-05-26 03:22:39	Solarbaby	clever, https://pastebin.com/ikL6xkiy
2021-05-26 03:23:09	clever	Solarbaby: apt-get reinstall raspberrypi-kernel ?
2021-05-26 03:23:42	Solarbaby	clever, thanks clever it's working on it
2021-05-26 03:25:40	Solarbaby	as many times as I've installed I wish I would just think about the kernel more
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2021-05-26 03:27:37	Solarbaby	clever, thanks so much you fixed it
2021-05-26 03:27:44	Solarbaby	clever, have a great day / night
2021-05-26 03:27:54	clever	Solarbaby: my guess is that /boot somehow got out of sync with apt
2021-05-26 03:28:26	Solarbaby	clever, I bet your right.. dunno how that happened but im sure glad you helped me.
2021-05-26 03:28:31	clever	yep
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2021-05-26 03:28:40	Solarbaby	have a good one
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2021-05-26 12:55:51	Ad0	could you get the pi zero w down to 3.5W if you don't use HDMI or camera? (just wifi / BLE)
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2021-05-26 13:50:25	crabbedhaloablut	In case anyone has been living under a rock today, Freenode just burned down. Sold every FOSS project in hackerdom down the river while shouting "The banning and channel takeovers will continue until morale improves".
2021-05-26 13:50:25	crabbedhaloablut	My main project of interest just shuttered its doors on this network after close to 20 years on Freenode.  I'm /part'ing all channels that are also on Libera or OFTC, so see you on #raspberrypi on libera.chat. Thanks for all the fish :-)
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2021-05-26 13:51:51	stiv	that all sounds dramatic
2021-05-26 13:52:01	clever	stiv: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
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2021-05-26 13:53:42	c0rnelius	Oh cry me a river
2021-05-26 13:54:41	stiv	just what we need now, more drama...
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2021-05-26 13:55:24	stiv	not meaning to kick off any sort of discussion!
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2021-05-26 14:00:20	larsks	There are already 200+ people on #raspberrypi on libera, so I guess some folks have already made the move...
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2021-05-26 14:02:25	c0rnelius	I made the move as well, but I didn't alert the media about it. :) Freenode is burning it's self down for whatever reasons? So be it.
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2021-05-26 14:09:47	Bitweasil	Yeah... it's weird to watch.
2021-05-26 14:10:44	Tenkawa	Bitweasil: its a complete meltdown
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2021-05-26 14:12:09	Bitweasil	"Hey, you can't leave my party or I'll burn my house down!" level absurdity.
2021-05-26 14:12:20	Bitweasil	Followed by everyone else heading out as the guy starts hosing down the living room in gasoline.
2021-05-26 14:12:25	Bitweasil	I cannot wrap my head around it.
2021-05-26 14:12:29	Bitweasil	So, must be a modern internet thing. :(
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2021-05-26 16:34:13	rasenqan	-server notice- All references to libera.chat are now subject to network-wide ban (k-line)!
2021-05-26 16:35:00	Tenkawa	rasenqan: stop with the propeganda
2021-05-26 16:35:13	Tenkawa	you have no authority
2021-05-26 16:35:16	EdFletcher	can't decide what's sadder: the way this whole drama has played out, or that people like rasenqan waste so much of their time being asses about it :/
2021-05-26 16:35:38	Reedy	Also, the fact saying it didn't result in a k-line is more amusing
2021-05-26 16:35:45	Tenkawa	yeah
2021-05-26 16:35:47	Tenkawa	indeed
2021-05-26 16:35:52	 *	rasenqan gives channel operator status to rasengan 
2021-05-26 16:36:05	Reedy	I didn't realise /me was so powerful
2021-05-26 16:36:10	 *	rasenqan remove channel operator status from rasengan
2021-05-26 16:36:21	 *	EdFletcher makes a sandwich
2021-05-26 16:36:31	Tenkawa	Reedy: omg isnt this hilarious?
2021-05-26 16:36:35	 *	EdFletcher sudo makes a sandwich
2021-05-26 16:36:49	 *	Reedy obtained 100000 BTC
2021-05-26 16:36:51	EdFletcher	hmm doesn't work
2021-05-26 16:36:51	Reedy	OMG IT WORKED
2021-05-26 16:36:54	EdFletcher	LOL
2021-05-26 16:37:04	Tenkawa	haaahaa
2021-05-26 16:37:18	Tenkawa	doge sounds so much cooler
2021-05-26 16:37:22	Tenkawa	lol
2021-05-26 16:38:42	Tenkawa	what I dont get is why people like rasenqan are bothering? freenode is imploding on itself anyways
2021-05-26 16:40:25	Reedy	fanboys are everywhere
2021-05-26 16:41:05	rasenqan	you are libera-loving SJWs
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2021-05-26 16:41:26	Reedy	aww,  they left
2021-05-26 16:41:31	Tenkawa	wth?
2021-05-26 16:43:18	EdFletcher	showing their true racist form in the end. not surprising.
2021-05-26 16:44:22	immibis[fnIsDead	these are the pro-freenode folk... wow
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2021-05-26 16:49:05	Narrat	are they? User like this seem to me more like the type "Let me add some more gas to the fire and see what happens". Regardless of the outcome. Yesterday the same user spread the message to leave this network *shrugs*
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2021-05-26 17:13:14	larsks	That is someone masquerading as the new freenode owner, Andrew Lee ("rasenqan" is his nick). Definitely a "let me add more gas to the fire" person.
2021-05-26 17:13:42	larsks	They've been popping up in multiple channels with from different (tor) hosts.
2021-05-26 17:13:53	larsks	Huh, "with from", I can type good.
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2021-05-27 19:16:01	PonyBlocks	Hey
2021-05-27 19:16:06	PonyBlocks	anyone awake now?
2021-05-27 19:16:08	PonyBlocks	xD
2021-05-27 19:16:40	PonyBlocks	idk how im able to break this rasbian os right out of box lol
2021-05-27 19:17:36	PonyBlocks	tried to install docker on raspbian os with no luck.
2021-05-27 19:18:18	PonyBlocks	followed the guide with sh script install. ending up with some error
2021-05-27 19:18:22	PonyBlocks	 Process: 2869 ExecStart=/usr/bin/dockerd -H fd:// --containerd=/run/containerd/containerd.sock (code=exited, status=1/FAILURE)
2021-05-27 19:19:10	PonyBlocks	Errors were encountered while processing:
2021-05-27 19:19:10	PonyBlocks	 docker-ce
2021-05-27 19:19:10	PonyBlocks	E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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2021-05-27 19:21:47	c0rnelius	did you `sudo usermod -aG docker $USER` after install?
2021-05-27 19:22:46	c0rnelius	or are you saying it not installing. period?
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2021-05-27 19:24:09	c0rnelius	PonyBlocks: https://dev.to/rohansawant/installing-docker-and-docker-compose-on-the-raspberry-pi-in-5-simple-steps-3mgl
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2021-05-27 19:25:08	PonyBlocks	step 1. did not work^^
2021-05-27 19:26:16	PonyBlocks	it getting error on docker-ce package
2021-05-27 19:26:35	PonyBlocks	end of script.sh install in "step 1" lol
2021-05-27 19:26:48	c0rnelius	I don't use raspbian and normally just - sudo apt install docker docker-compose -y
2021-05-27 19:27:42	PonyBlocks	yeah, i used that script they said at docker webpage.
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2021-05-27 19:28:31	PonyBlocks	kinda annoying tho :P seems like i get allways some issues with the rpi ^^think it is user problem :P
2021-05-27 19:29:14	PonyBlocks	like if you use a hammer and u hit with the side of hammer, it dont mean the hammer is broken, but it get used wrong :P
2021-05-27 19:30:31	c0rnelius	tried running this with sudo? `sudo curl -sSL https://get.docker.com | sh`
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2021-05-27 19:32:24	PonyBlocks	jupp
2021-05-27 19:32:45	clever	c0rnelius: that only runs curl as root, and does not run sh as root
2021-05-27 19:34:07	PonyBlocks	i run the sudo sh get-docker.sh
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2021-05-27 19:41:23	c0rnelius	ok
2021-05-27 19:43:24	c0rnelius	there is also this - https://docs.docker.com/engine/install/debian/
2021-05-27 19:44:24	c0rnelius	nvm docker hates raspbian.
2021-05-27 19:44:37	c0rnelius	Must be a feature
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2021-05-28 14:42:17	jpmh	I followed the instrctions in many of the sites that tell me to edit config.txt and cmndline.txt and booted the pi using a usb cable to my linux lap top.  It DOES see a device when I do an "ip a" but no ip address.  On the Pi I see a new device usb0 and it has an ip address.  BUT, the linux machine does not see the Pi when I do ssh user@mymachinenae.local
2021-05-28 14:42:27	jpmh	what step am I missing
2021-05-28 14:43:34	Reedy	can you ssh using the ip address?
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2021-05-28 14:44:16	clever	jpmh: what ip does the pi claim to have?
2021-05-28 14:44:42	jpmh	clever, what do you mean?
2021-05-28 14:45:02	clever	if the ip starts with 169, then its the link-local stuff
2021-05-28 14:45:15	clever	both machines will need a link-local addr, and then you can use a hostname like raspberrypi.local
2021-05-28 14:45:48	jpmh	clever: OK, so what step do I need to do that I have not done
2021-05-28 14:46:17	clever	jpmh: first, you need to check what ip the pi has, with `ip addr`
2021-05-28 14:47:25	jpmh	the pi believes that usb0 has ip 169.254.4.125
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2021-05-28 14:47:49	clever	jpmh: then you just need to let a dhcp client fail on the other system, and it too will have a 169.254 based ip
2021-05-28 14:48:15	clever	then you can just use raspberrypi.local
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2021-05-28 14:49:28	jpmh	clever: sorry to be so slow here - but missing that - the linux machine is connected to the internet.  Are you saying that because it got an address from dhcp it can not find the pi.  If I turn wifi on on the pi then it finds it fine, with the .local name
2021-05-28 14:50:12	clever	jpmh: you can have it attempt to get an ip from a 2nd interface, just run a dhcp client on the usb based NIC
2021-05-28 14:50:46	jpmh	clever: you mean on the linux machin?
2021-05-28 14:50:51	clever	yes
2021-05-28 14:51:16	jpmh	clever: that makes compete sense.  How would I do that?
2021-05-28 14:51:45	clever	jpmh: `dhcpcd interface_name`
2021-05-28 14:52:09	jpmh	clever: TY - trying that now
2021-05-28 14:54:29	jpmh	clever, dhcpcd is not installed on lmy linux machine- so, how is it getting the address it does get for wifi,, etc
2021-05-28 14:54:43	clever	you may be using a different dhcp client
2021-05-28 14:54:48	clever	youll need to check your distro's docs
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2021-05-28 14:56:10	jpmh	clever: ty - just spun up a vm, tried it in there wth an installed dhcpdc and all works - ty so much
2021-05-28 14:57:47	jpmh	clever: actually, I maybe spoketoo soon, "ip a" does indeed now show  the pi's ipaddress, but I can't connect to i
2021-05-28 14:58:05	clever	`ip a` will always show your own ip, not the remote ip
2021-05-28 14:58:16	clever	you must use `raspberrypi.local` as the hostname
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2021-05-28 14:58:36	jpmh	clever: no - before the dhcpcd there wasno ip address whowing
2021-05-28 14:58:55	jpmh	but, let me spin up a REAL machne not a virtual one, ad see if I am in biz
2021-05-28 14:58:56	clever	if you run `ip a` on both the linux machine and the pi, you will see there are 2 IP's
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2021-05-28 15:03:25	jpmh	clever: WORKING!  TY - you are indeed clever - THANK YOU SO MUCH
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2021-05-28 15:04:08	jpmh	clever: why does the pi chose a routable ip address, 169... rather than a non-routable one
2021-05-28 15:04:26	clever	jpmh: that is a link-local address, thats what dhcp does when it fails to find a server
2021-05-28 15:05:15	jpmh	clever: r u saying that there is soething special about 169.. addresses that I did not know
2021-05-28 15:05:35	clever	jpmh: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link-local_address
2021-05-28 15:06:17	jpmh	clever: ty - heading there now
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2021-05-28 15:07:38	jpmh	clever: TY - got it - have been using tcp/ip fr 30+ years and was not aware of that range
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2021-05-28 16:31:23	PonyBlocks	hi, is a rpi zero enough to run a pi.hole on? or need to have faster rpi
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2021-05-28 16:36:47	lolsborn	Where can I put a startup script containting xinput commands?  I tried adding a .desktop entry to ~/.config/autostart and that doesn't seem to do the trick
2021-05-28 16:37:17	lolsborn	my script works when I run it mannualy, but for the life of me I can't get it to run on boot
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2021-05-28 17:00:46	ramkamZ	damn, a month a passed sinced i started making my surveillance picamera
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2021-05-28 17:01:33	ramkamZ	so, obviously, with a pi zero whichever way you turn it, you're not getting a high frame rate if you implement motion detection
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2021-05-28 17:03:43	ramkamZ	except if ... and maybe some of you can lead me a bit into that ... i either use the motionData, OR .... if there's a way to decode the h264 frames on the fly, and maybe process the P frames only :-) - suggestion ? ^^
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2021-05-28 17:13:23	PonyBlocks	lolsborn: crontab -e   and add on bottom of doc, @reboot /pathtoscript
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2021-05-28 17:16:46	PonyBlocks	ramkamZ hope someone can help you out. idk much about that suv-cam stuff
2021-05-28 17:18:29	ramkamZ	PonyBlocks: i suspect the motionData be based on somthing like that, i really wonder if there's info on how it's made https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-01222695/document
2021-05-28 17:18:44	PonyBlocks	ramkamZ https://github.com/ccrisan/motioneyeos/issues/1021
2021-05-28 17:19:03	PonyBlocks	i found some old issues only
2021-05-28 17:19:42	ramkamZ	PonyBlocks: i'm getting a steady 29 fps at 1920x1080
2021-05-28 17:19:55	ramkamZ	provided that i don't do much on analyzing motion
2021-05-28 17:20:08	PonyBlocks	thats full hd :)
2021-05-28 17:20:30	ramkamZ	yeh, limited it to 6 fps cuz it's enough for what i want to do
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2021-05-28 17:21:20	ramkamZ	and added my own brew of setting shutter speed and co (though it still endsup the pi in the limbs whenever i try to push it to long exposures like 3 to 6 seconds)
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2021-05-28 17:21:32	PonyBlocks	u can try to do 1280X720 instead of 1080p see if that helps if it dont get to bad res for you
2021-05-28 17:21:56	ramkamZ	this said, the motionData is basically something the algos in the GPU side produce, and i wonder how it's made
2021-05-28 17:22:28	ramkamZ	eg: on the GPU side when encoding into H264, so i guess it's made to calculate P and B frames
2021-05-28 17:23:54	ramkamZ	then ... while tinkering with ffmpeg, i realized that the algo gives stats on I,P,B frames, and wondered if these counts could be used as a motion detection "high level" kpi
2021-05-28 17:24:52	ramkamZ	i think there's a way to know in picamera if the frame is on the I, P or B plane - don't know if it's costly processing wise though
2021-05-28 17:27:06	PonyBlocks	i think the bottle neck is that your writing the data to sd card and trying to prossessing the montion detection at same time on the pi0
2021-05-28 17:27:51	ramkamZ	by using streams you win a lot of waiting times
2021-05-28 17:28:42	PonyBlocks	yeah, was thinking to say that u could make the pi0 stream camera, and u do the motion detection on a more powerfull board than the pi0
2021-05-28 17:29:09	ramkamZ	basically, i am listening to 3 streams using the splitter ports, 1: full hd, whatever comes in is dumped to the movie file; 2: low res (resized by the gpu hence fast) to adjust lighting / shutter speeds, andd 3: motionData to detect events
2021-05-28 17:29:36	PonyBlocks	on the pi0 ?
2021-05-28 17:29:39	ramkamZ	PonyBlocks: stream in the sense of IObytes
2021-05-28 17:29:41	ramkamZ	yes
2021-05-28 17:29:50	PonyBlocks	i found this link tho
2021-05-28 17:29:52	PonyBlocks	https://chriscarey.com/blog/2017/04/30/achieving-high-frame-rate-with-a-raspberry-pi-camera-system/
2021-05-28 17:30:37	PonyBlocks	i dont know much about it, but sounds like you doing to manny prossesses on that rpi0 so it bottlenecks preformance wise
2021-05-28 17:31:40	ramkamZ	yeah, though, i'd like to keep my architecture like that, the processing done as much as possible on the pi zeros, so i'm looking into optimizing motion detection cost
2021-05-28 17:32:14	ramkamZ	best bet so far is to use the output of the GPU hen it encodes into h264, eg: motionData
2021-05-28 17:32:45	ramkamZ	but understanding how it makes the calcs would be helpfull to design criteria
2021-05-28 17:33:23	ramkamZ	especially ... when you have shadows from moving trees that on a windy day makes the full day a whole big event
2021-05-28 17:33:30	ramkamZ	:D
2021-05-28 17:33:32	PonyBlocks	if the pi, capture the video, writing the video to sd card, and prossesing the motion detection at same time with 1ghz cpu and 500mb ram i think its maybe a litte due to its a 1080p video file
2021-05-28 17:34:07	ramkamZ	yes, downsizing a little does help a lot
2021-05-28 17:34:44	PonyBlocks	yeah 1080p is full hp, and to do some video eddeting etc, u know it lagging on old computers :P
2021-05-28 17:35:20	ramkamZ	though, from what i understood from the documentation of picamera, is that the camera captures no matter what a 5 Mpixel, then the GPU processes that and gives you whatever you asked for to process that on the slow lane of the CPU
2021-05-28 17:35:52	ramkamZ	the GPU basically runs its own os, and there's a pipeline between the two os's
2021-05-28 17:36:34	ramkamZ	so whatever the GPU does, it's doing it really well, i'm trying to make use of that
2021-05-28 17:37:19	PonyBlocks	you can try to google, minimum specs to play 1080p movie
2021-05-28 17:38:03	ramkamZ	playing is another beast
2021-05-28 17:38:23	ramkamZ	means, all the data arrives and is relayed to the graphics card all in sync
2021-05-28 17:38:32	ramkamZ	not sure i need that to make motion detection
2021-05-28 17:39:33	ramkamZ	for example, i could want to look at the content of a p frame, and just count how many pixels are not gray
2021-05-28 17:40:01	ramkamZ	that would be a pretty good measure, as the algos in the GPU already made the costly background substraction calculation
2021-05-28 17:40:44	PonyBlocks	i would assume that the cpu on pi aint strong enough for what your doing.. becuse it doing 3 intensive tasks, capture the video, writing the video to file, and motion detection
2021-05-28 17:40:49	ramkamZ	i'd be receiving a 1D stream, if i cross the flag that says it's a P frame, i'd start counting how many are dark (sorta made by chunks)
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2021-05-28 17:41:47	PonyBlocks	i guess if you would stream the video to a another node, then do the motion detection on that computer who is "watching the stream" and "writing the stream"
2021-05-28 17:41:50	ramkamZ	capture is done by the GPU; writing seems to be ok i can reach 29 fps and i'm using 6; motion detection is the hog
2021-05-28 17:42:15	ramkamZ	yeah, streaming over wifi is full of snakes
2021-05-28 17:42:30	ramkamZ	not counting having to handle all disconnexions & co
2021-05-28 17:43:02	ramkamZ	plus, i'm planning to put the pi's in meshed wifi, which is slow by design (round robin ...)
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2021-05-28 17:44:12	ramkamZ	though of running it a 320x200 then switching to HD for a given time if an event is detected
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2021-05-28 17:44:46	ramkamZ	but i stopped, don't remember why exactly
2021-05-28 17:45:36	PonyBlocks	probably becuse its the resulation of a potato
2021-05-28 17:45:45	ramkamZ	the resulation of a potato :-)
2021-05-28 17:46:07	PonyBlocks	need big imagination to see what happening on 320x200 its same res like all those UFO videos :P
2021-05-28 17:46:13	PonyBlocks	:P
2021-05-28 17:46:15	ramkamZ	i think it was because the lighting is reevaluated each time you switch modes, or something in those juices
2021-05-28 17:46:59	ramkamZ	320x200, well, you still CAN do ok stuff, but certainly not haar cascades :-) or HOG
2021-05-28 17:47:26	PonyBlocks	i dont think u can even use 320x200 as evidence in curt :P
2021-05-28 17:47:36	ramkamZ	(which is completely out of the processing capability of the Pi anyway)
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2021-05-28 17:48:17	ramkamZ	From what i read a long time ago a 160x160 pixel is good enough to identify a face
2021-05-28 17:48:22	PonyBlocks	damn lolsborn left again before i got to send him a message :P
2021-05-28 17:48:47	PonyBlocks	ramkamZ if someone got me on tape with 160x160 rez i would say same as shaggy "it wassent me"
2021-05-28 17:48:58	ramkamZ	mind sifts
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2021-05-28 17:51:23	ramkamZ	page 19 - https://arxiv.org/pdf/1805.11519.pdf
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2021-05-28 17:52:27	ramkamZ	like 32x32 pixels :-)
2021-05-28 17:52:49	hid	hi, what torrent client would you recommand for a rpi4?
2021-05-28 17:53:08	PonyBlocks	hid i use transmission on rpi4
2021-05-28 17:53:16	ramkamZ	runs in cli?
2021-05-28 17:54:12	PonyBlocks	find it in add/remove software if u runing gui
2021-05-28 17:54:19	hid	PonyBlocks: i didn't find a way to make it use the tun0 network interface only
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2021-05-28 17:55:03	Reedy	transmission has cli and remote desktop clients you can use too
2021-05-28 17:55:55	PonyBlocks	what vpn u using? i have no issues with it tho
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2021-05-28 18:00:53	ramkamZ	would that help ? https://askubuntu.com/questions/37412/how-can-i-ensure-transmission-traffic-uses-a-vpn
2021-05-28 18:02:52	ramkamZ	i love these words "Accessing wrong location of /dev/mem, due to a bug of this library or your program, may make your system unstable or could break your machine."
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2021-05-28 18:26:31	PonyBlocks	https://www.reddit.com/r/networking/comments/5mnnjh/explanation_on_tun0_network_device/
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2021-05-28 18:34:04	ramkamZ	PonyBlocks: i think i'm gonna loose some time trying to make use of that :-)))) https://github.com/doe300/VC4CL
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2021-05-28 18:36:35	PonyBlocks	xD im trying to get to understand why i can run docker on my rpi4 lol
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2021-05-28 18:37:39	PonyBlocks	have taken backup of everything now, just waiting for last sync to finish before i will start doing more work on rpi, if it bricks i still got the backup and save some time when doing a vanilla installation again
2021-05-28 18:37:39	PonyBlocks	:P
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2021-05-28 20:09:09	wwads	Will a Raspberry Pi 4 board spoil faster without a fan if a user is regularly using the board for CPU-intensive tasks like watching videos and playing games?
2021-05-28 20:10:25	Win7ine	wwads are you overclocking?
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2021-05-28 20:12:31	wwads	Win7ine: no intention to. Thinking of using Rpi 4 as desktop PC but not sure whether to  buy fan as well
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2021-05-28 20:13:56	Win7ine	no need for fan unless you severlky overclock and clockrate is being throtteled due to temp
2021-05-28 20:14:14	craigevil	a heatsink wouldn't be a bad idea
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2021-05-28 20:14:55	wwads	ok. I've been seeing pictures of Rpi with fan, so I thought it's necessary nowadays.
2021-05-28 20:15:24	Win7ine	there are very decent passive cooling enclosures, fully sufficient
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2021-05-28 20:17:19	wwads	Win7ine: Rpi is a naked board. No enclosures. Maybe that helps because of good ventilation
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2021-05-28 20:18:27	Win7ine	what do you mean with rpi naked board
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2021-05-28 20:20:50	Win7ine	https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/233857663329
2021-05-28 20:20:57	wwads	Win7ine: no casing.
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2021-05-28 20:28:17	Kumool	supposedly the metal sheet for the 400 does a better job than a heat sink
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2021-05-28 20:30:07	craigevil	my pi400 runs around 40C
2021-05-28 20:30:19	craigevil	i am overclocked to 2000
2021-05-28 20:31:39	craigevil	Temperatures: cpu: 45.3 C , deja-bup is running
2021-05-28 20:32:25	Kumool	Mine is usually at 55, and I'm not running anything either. so that's the lowest
2021-05-28 20:33:15	Kumool	for a naked board in my location at least.
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2021-05-29 07:16:49	ramsan	Hi. How can one write NOOBS on a new SD card if one has no sd card reader other than the raspberry pi you got?
2021-05-29 07:17:01	ramsan	can pi be booted with usb drive?
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2021-05-29 07:32:43	Chunkyz-RPi	ramsan: you can boot from usb if you're eeprom is up to date and really depends which model pi tbh
2021-05-29 07:32:56	Chunkyz-RPi	Rpi4? Which p
2021-05-29 07:33:00	Chunkyz-RPi	Pi*
2021-05-29 07:33:32	Chunkyz-RPi	I'm booted from usb3 to sata ATM on two rpi4s and an ssd
2021-05-29 07:33:44	Chunkyz-RPi	Works well..........
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2021-05-29 07:51:38	koollman	ramsan: easiest way is to get a sd card reader
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2021-05-29 13:57:00	PonyBlocks	ordered 1 pi0 1.3 and 1 pi0W today, plus an extra pi4
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2021-05-29 20:19:45	glestrade	Hi folks. I was wondering if there’s a canakit or similar starter package that uses the 4B+
2021-05-29 20:20:13	glestrade	I can’t seem to find one with the + label
2021-05-29 20:20:13	glestrade	trying to do an IoT machine learning project
2021-05-29 20:20:31	glestrade	so it’ll need to be relatively beefy (I think?) to give me some computational headroom
2021-05-29 20:22:51	Snert_	justget a raspi 4
2021-05-29 20:22:57	Tenkawa	theres only one raspberry pi 4
2021-05-29 20:23:12	Tenkawa	juts different ram sizes
2021-05-29 20:23:23	glestrade	ram might be important
2021-05-29 20:23:28	glestrade	considering what i’m doing lol
2021-05-29 20:23:42	Snert_	yea where they got all the B and + marketing drivel is unknown
2021-05-29 20:24:03	Tenkawa	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi
2021-05-29 20:24:15	Tenkawa	thats a good reference for you
2021-05-29 20:24:23	glestrade	kk thx
2021-05-29 20:24:30	Tenkawa	of all the diff models
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2021-05-29 20:34:21	Snert_	I just get the max ram. That way it doesn't matter.
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2021-05-30 06:37:59	x0n^	glestrade: please ignore the occassional mad giggle you might be able to perceive even at your end of those intertubes. "computational headroom", "machine learning" and "raspberry pi" all in one sentence certainly do make perfect sense
2021-05-30 06:39:56	glestrade	? I’ve been logged off this irc for most of the day
2021-05-30 06:40:27	glestrade	did I miss some messages lol
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2021-05-30 09:11:31	--	Topic for #raspberrypi is "Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. | Very old Logs: http://srv.datagutt1.com | Note: Family Friendly chat please. Rules: https://goo.gl/h5qPhz"
2021-05-30 09:11:31	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
2021-05-30 09:11:31	--	Channel #raspberrypi: 477 nicks (1 op, 0 voices, 476 normals)
2021-05-30 09:11:44	--	Channel created on Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:04:23
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2021-05-30 16:57:23	idiotwhoconnecte	hi all! I can already imagine the answer but I need some closure. My RPi 3B+ case came with a cheap fan that has 5v and gnd connections. I accidentally connected both of them to pins 2 and 4 (both are 5v). Pi immediately shut down and there's no other life signals other than the red led. Can polyfuse possibly save my Pi or is it dead for good?
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2021-05-30 17:51:58	Encrypt	"idiotwhoconnecte" left :/
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2021-05-30 18:03:56	yLwHaTT	so is there really no way to view v4l2:/dev/video0 in omxplayer? i just got a pi zero to see if i could use it as a usb webcam monitor. it seems like there should be some flags that would do it... any ideas?
2021-05-30 18:04:16	clever	yLwHaTT: you want to use something like vlc
2021-05-30 18:04:30	yLwHaTT	on a pi zero?
2021-05-30 18:05:15	clever	hmmm, not sure what the best hw accelerated route is there
2021-05-30 18:05:16	yLwHaTT	i was gonna try it next
2021-05-30 18:05:16	clever	just try things, and see what happens?
2021-05-30 18:05:43	yLwHaTT	yeah i was hoping i could use omxplayer cause it was so smooth
2021-05-30 18:06:01	clever	omxplayer makes heavy use of the closed firmware video stack
2021-05-30 18:06:05	yLwHaTT	was gonna toy around with vlc here next tho
2021-05-30 18:06:07	clever	so it can only support what the closed firmware supports
2021-05-30 18:06:18	yLwHaTT	aaaaaaaaah
2021-05-30 18:06:24	yLwHaTT	wow that does make sense
2021-05-30 18:06:31	yLwHaTT	damn
2021-05-30 18:06:44	clever	its basically just shoving the raw file to the firmware, and the firmware does everything
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2021-05-30 18:08:43	yLwHaTT	well that solves the dilemma as to why i coulnt find anything on the googles for hours of readying
2021-05-30 18:08:48	yLwHaTT	-y*
2021-05-30 18:09:03	yLwHaTT	and you answered it in no time flat
2021-05-30 18:09:09	 *	yLwHaTT hugs irc
2021-05-30 18:09:33	 *	yLwHaTT high fives clever
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2021-05-30 19:00:23	PonyBlocks	[22:57:23]  <idiotwhoconnecte> hi all! I can already would love to hear how it went
2021-05-30 19:00:50	PonyBlocks	think he was able to fry the pi?
2021-05-30 19:02:11	taza	Bake, surely?
2021-05-30 19:02:17	PonyBlocks	my fans are ghetto fixed lol. prolly not safe but...
2021-05-30 19:03:00	PonyBlocks	using an old cpu fan from pentium 3 machine as main fan for pi, hotwired it to an usb cable and plugged it in pi
2021-05-30 19:03:26	taza	Definitely not safe if the power supply starts going weird.
2021-05-30 19:03:28	PonyBlocks	and the pi ssd fan, is the psu fran from the old machine same hotwire
2021-05-30 19:03:30	taza	Works For Now (tm)
2021-05-30 19:03:32	PonyBlocks	xD
2021-05-30 19:04:05	PonyBlocks	i cant connect 2 external hdds, then it shutdowns. they take to much power lol
2021-05-30 19:04:28	PonyBlocks	without the fans etc also same issue :P and i dont have a usb hub with power line atm
2021-05-30 19:04:52	PonyBlocks	waiting for an Icetower low profile fan to come
2021-05-30 19:05:11	PonyBlocks	might gonna try to overclock it then
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2021-05-30 19:06:56	PonyBlocks	for now it runs on 46*C with 50-60% cpu load now for some days
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2021-05-30 19:12:13	PonyBlocks	https://imgur.com/a/L9mYLNk
2021-05-30 19:12:23	PonyBlocks	taza approved? :P
2021-05-30 19:12:30	taza	God no.
2021-05-30 19:12:34	PonyBlocks	hahaha
2021-05-30 19:12:35	PonyBlocks	xD
2021-05-30 19:14:14	taza	I do have fans suited for the whole 5V hack, but I use ready-made cables for connecting them to USB instead of hotwiring.
2021-05-30 19:14:45	taza	In fact I'm running several of my main system's case fans at 5V because all they do is supply replacement air
2021-05-30 19:15:30	PonyBlocks	xD
2021-05-30 19:15:38	PonyBlocks	the top fan is 5v :P
2021-05-30 19:15:51	PonyBlocks	and same as the charger cable :P
2021-05-30 19:15:54	PonyBlocks	xD
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2021-05-31 11:40:49	LunarAgent	LunarIRC (irc.lunarirc.net) - the friendliest IRC network around! We welcome retro hobbyists, devs and *nix wizards. Drop by, feel at home, create and re-create channels and enjoy your stay! LunarAgent, over and out.
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2021-05-31 13:48:20	@Habbie	Tenkawa, np :)
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2021-05-31 13:48:39	Tenkawa	Habbie: got a feeling going to see much more of that
2021-05-31 13:48:58	@Habbie	we've been seeing a lot less of it than i expected so far, if i'm honest :)
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2021-05-31 13:49:49	Tenkawa	Habbie: its mostly been going to privmsg and they have bee targetting non-ops too from what I've heard
2021-05-31 13:50:05	@Habbie	i haven't had any privmsg spam for a while
2021-05-31 13:50:20	Tenkawa	they've avoided me for the most part and and I know they know my history here
2021-05-31 13:50:29	Tenkawa	thats part of why
2021-05-31 13:51:29	Tenkawa	my history with this network has seen a lot...
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2021-05-31 14:46:24	jpmh	I installed Raspian a few weeks ago from the official site, all has been going well.  This morning, I ran sudo apt updateade and was told that most of the candidate give me an errorthat the file is not signed.  As far as I know, nothing has changed my end
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2021-05-31 17:07:53	ramkamZ	PonyBlocks: re ^^
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2021-05-31 17:11:31	ramkamZ	is there an "opencl" (VC4CL actually) version of ffmpeg for the pi zero?
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2021-05-31 17:23:19	ramkamZ	got it : https://trac.ffmpeg.org/wiki/HWAccelIntro
2021-05-31 17:24:02	ramkamZ	would any kno if the ffmpeg vesrion in the distos / apt-get include the hw acceleration for mmal?
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2021-05-31 17:33:55	ramkamZ	bumped on this, if any1 tried - https://github.com/legotheboss/YouTube-files/wiki/(RPi)-Compile-FFmpeg-with-the-OpenMAX-H.264-GPU-acceleration
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2021-05-31 20:47:10	OneManHateGroup	Hi there. Somebody gifted me a Pi4 b and I tried to copy the image to the sdcard, but it keeps telling me that it is read only... I've tried all the things I could find on google, but nothing works to get the image on there. Please Help.
2021-05-31 20:47:13	OneManHateGroup	Thank
2021-05-31 20:47:14	OneManHateGroup	s
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2021-05-31 23:31:10	Snuupy	OneManHateGroup: did you check to see if the lock switch was flipped on
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2021-05-31 23:35:39	OneManHateGroup	Snuupy yes
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2021-05-31 23:37:08	Snuupy	wonder if it's a dead sd card
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2021-05-31 23:37:31	OneManHateGroup	I tried it with two different ones
2021-05-31 23:37:53	OneManHateGroup	It's something about the way that android formats them
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2021-06-01 00:27:17	RatBytes	hi...  anybody awake ?
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2021-06-01 00:32:12	RatBytes	I have a raspberry pi and a 5" adafruit touch sensitive screen.  They work.   I want to have the pi control some steppers through a arduino connected by USP (that part already works).   I would like to make a simple GUI that has a few touch sensitive buttons, and maybe a slider or two.   I know C, I don't know python.   What is the best approach from here?
2021-06-01 00:32:45	RatBytes	USB
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2021-06-01 00:35:03	Snuupy	OneManHateGroup: you don't copy the image you flash it
2021-06-01 00:35:07	Snuupy	use raspberry imager
2021-06-01 00:35:15	Snuupy	note, this will erase all existing data on the sd card
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2021-06-01 00:51:44	yLwHaTT	can the pi four run both hdmi ports and the dsi port at the same time?
2021-06-01 00:51:47	yLwHaTT	3 screens?
2021-06-01 00:51:59	yLwHaTT	or just two at a time?
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2021-06-01 01:19:32	yLwHaTT	i would figure after all the scanning ive just did throughout the googles that i probably cannot
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2021-06-01 07:08:14	gaston53	helloo people, please do you have any open source projects with C++ for raspberrypi board ?
2021-06-01 07:08:22	gaston53	I ll be grateful for help
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2021-06-01 10:44:53	s_t_s	hello all, I would like to connect (somehow) 10 sensors with 24v 40mA each. Can someone point me how can I achive this?
2021-06-01 10:55:18	@Habbie	s_t_s, do they need that power? or do they output 0-24V depending on reading? or both?
2021-06-01 10:56:51	s_t_s	yes, they need it - those are 24v NC relays
2021-06-01 10:57:56	@Habbie	then you need relays i think
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2021-06-01 20:39:32	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
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2021-06-02 02:23:12	Snuupy	I just realized I have a 128GB SSD I don't use that's in my laptop I can use for my rpi
2021-06-02 02:23:23	Snuupy	can't believe I didn't think about this sooner
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2021-06-02 05:00:48	sinajit	Hi everyone
2021-06-02 05:01:08	PonyBlocks	hi there
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2021-06-02 05:01:34	PonyBlocks	Snuupy what rpi do you got?
2021-06-02 05:01:41	sinajit	Can someone explain to me when does the raspbian kernel use CMA and when does it rely on memory preallocated with gpu_mem ?
2021-06-02 05:03:11	PonyBlocks	that you need to wait for someone else to answer you :)
2021-06-02 05:03:16	 *	PonyBlocks dont know
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2021-06-02 05:13:13	Snuupy	PonyBlocks: rpi4 8gb
2021-06-02 05:13:31	PonyBlocks	Snuupy yeah its easy, take like 4 commands more or less
2021-06-02 05:13:38	PonyBlocks	and you can boot from ssd
2021-06-02 05:13:44	Snuupy	gotta buy an enclosure
2021-06-02 05:13:51	Snuupy	it's one of those 2042 drives
2021-06-02 05:13:52	Snuupy	not a full 2080
2021-06-02 05:14:12	Snuupy	gotta make sure to get the right enclosure too
2021-06-02 05:14:16	Snuupy	not that jmicron stuff
2021-06-02 05:14:20	PonyBlocks	yeah, find an encousure and see the read write capasity for those
2021-06-02 05:14:43	PonyBlocks	or u can use those usb 3.0 to sata
2021-06-02 05:14:48	PonyBlocks	cables
2021-06-02 05:15:28	PonyBlocks	anyway the read/write speed on the ssd is bottlenecked to USB3.0
2021-06-02 05:17:16	Snuupy	hmm
2021-06-02 05:17:23	Snuupy	I'm wondering if that's a good idea for my NAS then
2021-06-02 05:17:38	Snuupy	my (raspberry pi) NAS
2021-06-02 05:17:47	PonyBlocks	so it depends a bit how many external drives u wanna connec,t like my psu for rpi4 it cant manage when i use 2 old 2tb hdd drives it dont get enouugh power
2021-06-02 05:17:50	Snuupy	I have 3 HDDs connected to it on the USB 3.0 bus
2021-06-02 05:17:54	Snuupy	I also have ceph running on it for replication
2021-06-02 05:18:16	Snuupy	although technically it /should/ be enough given I can only max out ~65MB/s writes
2021-06-02 05:18:53	Snuupy	no no these are 1) external 3.5" HDDs with their own PSU, and 2) even if they weren't, I have  36W powered usb hub connected to the drives
2021-06-02 05:18:56	Snuupy	so no power issues at all here
2021-06-02 05:19:05	Snuupy	just a question of throughput
2021-06-02 05:19:07	PonyBlocks	i needed to use an usb hub with external power to the hub to be able to connect all my external hdds, but on server i just run a usb3.0 to stata adapter cable
2021-06-02 05:19:16	Snuupy	5gbps on the usb3 hub
2021-06-02 05:19:37	Snuupy	I hit ~185MB/s reads which is 1.5gbps
2021-06-02 05:20:05	PonyBlocks	im assuming u wanna boot from the ssd right?
2021-06-02 05:20:10	Snuupy	yes
2021-06-02 05:20:14	Snuupy	so technically I should have ~2.5gbps throughput left for the ssd
2021-06-02 05:20:17	Snuupy	yeah that should work
2021-06-02 05:20:34	Snuupy	definitely overkill for the NAS but yolo
2021-06-02 05:20:51	Snuupy	I don't like it when things are just lying about without a case (dust, whatever)
2021-06-02 05:20:54	PonyBlocks	lol, get a usb3-0 hub with power to the hub
2021-06-02 05:21:06	Snuupy	PonyBlocks: https://i.imgur.com/aCrlurs.jpg
2021-06-02 05:21:09	Snuupy	:D
2021-06-02 05:21:27	Snuupy	ceph replicates my data so even if 2 of my HDDs fail I'm good
2021-06-02 05:21:41	PonyBlocks	then u connect the other externals to the hub and from hub to rpi. and just have the rpi booted with ssd. anyway your bottleneck is the usb.30 speed
2021-06-02 05:21:42	Snuupy	05:18:53 AM <Snuupy> ... I have 36W powered usb hub connected to the drives
2021-06-02 05:21:50	Snuupy	yeah I'm aware
2021-06-02 05:21:51	PonyBlocks	cant go over it, and u only got 2 ports on rpi
2021-06-02 05:22:06	PonyBlocks	lol that cable managment xD
2021-06-02 05:22:09	Snuupy	technically the usb-c power is on its own bus
2021-06-02 05:22:15	PonyBlocks	nice xD
2021-06-02 05:22:15	Snuupy	I don't know how to improve it PonyBlocks lol
2021-06-02 05:22:17	Snuupy	cables everywhere
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2021-06-02 05:22:25	Snuupy	so another 480mbps if you wanna dedicate a device to that
2021-06-02 05:22:45	Snuupy	I think you can split the usb-c port into power and data separately
2021-06-02 05:23:06	PonyBlocks	im not gonna show u my cables, lokking like you took a bowl of spagettie and throw it on the floor
2021-06-02 05:23:17	Snuupy	looool
2021-06-02 05:23:26	Snuupy	I was never good at cable management
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2021-06-02 05:24:40	PonyBlocks	Snuupy im using https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1bYpPlAOWBuNjSsppq6xPgpXaO/NEW-USB-3-0-SATA-3-Cable-Sata-to-USB-Adapter-Up-to-6-Gbps-Support.jpg to boot from, get enought power from the rpi psu, and rest of disks getting power from the usbhub
2021-06-02 05:25:56	PonyBlocks	maybe when i get some more cash i will buy a board for rpi tho.
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2021-06-02 05:27:49	Snuupy	hmm
2021-06-02 05:27:58	Snuupy	I already have a flirc case for the pi
2021-06-02 05:29:29	PonyBlocks	Snuupy im a big fan of Tom Sachs art work, and "the ten bullets" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-CTkbHnpNQ - he have nice system on his studio
2021-06-02 05:29:55	PonyBlocks	always be "knolling"
2021-06-02 05:32:47	Snuupy	ah
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2021-06-02 05:33:42	Snuupy	I have to check that B+M key compatibility shit
2021-06-02 05:42:54	Snuupy	looks like it's $20 for an enclosure
2021-06-02 05:42:56	Snuupy	hmm
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2021-06-02 15:36:42	JakeSays	so i'm finding i2c to be unreliable.
2021-06-02 15:36:53	JakeSays	is this the norm?
2021-06-02 15:38:21	Habbie	i've had some very reliable experiences with it
2021-06-02 15:39:17	JakeSays	it doesn't handle errors well
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2021-06-02 15:39:38	JakeSays	if the connection break, i cant get it to repopen
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2021-06-02 15:46:55	JakeSays	do i have to do something to reset it?
2021-06-02 15:49:43	clever	JakeSays: do you have a scope or pullups?
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2021-06-02 15:53:32	JakeSays	clever: i have an analyzer.
2021-06-02 15:53:46	JakeSays	it may be a threading issue.
2021-06-02 15:54:08	JakeSays	i may have two threads trying to write to the bus to two different addresses at the same time
2021-06-02 15:54:33	clever	JakeSays: add a mutex in userland to prevent that
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2021-06-02 15:56:31	JakeSays	is there only one i2c bus available?
2021-06-02 15:56:58	clever	JakeSays: depends on the model
2021-06-02 15:57:06	JakeSays	3b
2021-06-02 15:57:35	clever	https://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs#
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2021-06-02 15:58:18	clever	there are seperate busses on 0/1 and 2/3, but i think the firmware needs control of one of them
2021-06-02 15:58:45	JakeSays	yeah. i know one is used for hdmi
2021-06-02 15:58:58	clever	thats a 3rd bus i think
2021-06-02 15:59:50	JakeSays	ah. that's probably why i have /dev/i2c-1 and /dev/i2c-2. i'm using 2
2021-06-02 16:00:18	clever	ls /sys/class/i2c-adapter -l
2021-06-02 16:00:22	clever	this will give a more clear answer i believe
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2021-06-02 16:01:31	JakeSays	it shows one and two
2021-06-02 16:02:00	JakeSays	lol i had to add dtparam=i2c2_iknowwhatimdoing to config.txt to get access to the hdmi one
2021-06-02 16:02:03	clever	can you paste the entire line
2021-06-02 16:02:31	JakeSays	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jun  2 13:55 i2c-1 -> ../../devices/platform/soc/3f804000.i2c/i2c-1
2021-06-02 16:02:31	JakeSays	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 Jun  2 13:55 i2c-2 -> ../../devices/platform/soc/3f805000.i2c/i2c-2
2021-06-02 16:02:41	clever	yep, MMIO addresses
2021-06-02 16:02:44	clever	*looks*
2021-06-02 16:03:00	clever	broadcom/bcm2708_chip/i2c1.h:#define I2C1_BASE                                                0x7e804000
2021-06-02 16:03:04	clever	broadcom/bcm2708_chip/i2c2.h:#define I2C2_BASE                                                0x7e805000
2021-06-02 16:03:21	clever	so those are indeed what the hw calls i2c-1 and i2c-2
2021-06-02 16:03:29	clever	(the numbers often wont match up)
2021-06-02 16:03:57	clever	broadcom/bcm2708_chip/i2c0.h:#define I2C0_BASE                                                0x7e205000
2021-06-02 16:04:04	clever	and there is also an i2c-0, that your missing
2021-06-02 16:04:24	JakeSays	that must be the hdmi one
2021-06-02 16:04:29	JakeSays	i only have two listed
2021-06-02 16:04:30	clever	> i2c-0 = controller I2C0 on GPIOs 0 & 1
2021-06-02 16:04:38	JakeSays	oh hmm
2021-06-02 16:04:49	clever	my notes, say that i2c-0 is on gpio 0/1, which the wiki says is SDA0/SCL0
2021-06-02 16:05:06	clever	> i2c-1 = controller I2C1 with no mux - GPIOs 2 & 3 are hard-coded as the only sensible choice
2021-06-02 16:05:31	clever	thats SDA1/SCL1, which also show up on gpio 46/47, but you cant access those
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2021-06-02 16:06:57	JakeSays	so does that mean i have two available to me, or just one?
2021-06-02 16:07:36	clever	JakeSays: you can enable i2c-0 somehow (check the config.txt docs), and then use that on 0/1
2021-06-02 16:08:08	JakeSays	do you know if 0 is the hdmi one?
2021-06-02 16:08:28	clever	JakeSays: nope, 0 isnt the hdmi one
2021-06-02 16:08:57	JakeSays	is 2?
2021-06-02 16:09:03	clever	i'm double-checking
2021-06-02 16:09:25	clever	[clever@amd-nixos:~/apps/rpi/linux/arch/arm/boot/dts]$ vi bcm2710-rpi-3-b-plus.dts
2021-06-02 16:09:41	JakeSays	i bet it is 2
2021-06-02 16:09:57	JakeSays	dtparam=i2c2_iknowwhatimdoing <-- leads me to think this is the case
2021-06-02 16:10:06	clever	[clever@amd-nixos:~/apps/rpi/linux/arch/arm/boot/dts]$ vi bcm2835-common.dtsi
2021-06-02 16:10:09	clever	115                 hdmi: hdmi@7e902000 {
2021-06-02 16:10:11	clever	122                         ddc = <&i2c2>;
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2021-06-02 16:10:30	clever	JakeSays: when using real kms, i2c-2 is enabled and mapped as the ddc (edid) channel for the hdmi port
2021-06-02 16:10:32	JakeSays	LOL apparently dtparam=i2c2_iDONTknowwhatimdoing is more accurate
2021-06-02 16:10:35	clever	and then linux can use iec-2 like normal
2021-06-02 16:11:05	JakeSays	i'm not using kms, but i am using ddc
2021-06-02 16:11:28	clever	bcm2835-common.dtsi:            i2c2: i2c@7e805000 {
2021-06-02 16:11:36	JakeSays	however i'm also using i2c-2 to communicate with two mpus.
2021-06-02 16:11:39	clever	and yeah, iec-2 is the 805 we saw earlier
2021-06-02 16:12:11	clever	i think i2c-2 always goes to the hdmi port, and has no routing
2021-06-02 16:13:00	JakeSays	no wait. i was using i2c-2. i'm using i2c-1
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2021-06-02 16:13:18	JakeSays	so i2c-0 should be available as well
2021-06-02 16:13:24	clever	yeah
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2021-06-02 16:13:44	ramkamZ	yay
2021-06-02 16:13:49	JakeSays	i bet that's the one thats dedicated to hat eeproms
2021-06-02 16:14:00	clever	but it only does that on bootup
2021-06-02 16:14:18	ramkamZ	it took 2 weeks of searching, but found hints on motionData in picamera : https://github.com/LukasBommes/mv-extractor
2021-06-02 16:14:26	clever	JakeSays: also note, the activity LED, is on an i2c based gpio expander
2021-06-02 16:14:40	clever	every time you want to blink the act led, the firmware drives an i2c controller, to make the led blink
2021-06-02 16:14:51	clever	if linux and the firmware fight over that controller, bad things happen
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2021-06-02 16:15:11	clever	i dont know what the config.txt entry does to affect that situation
2021-06-02 16:15:36	JakeSays	are gpios 28 and 29 exposed?
2021-06-02 16:15:55	clever	nope
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2021-06-02 16:16:10	clever	depending on which pi3 model you have, 29 might be the status led (changing what i said above)
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2021-06-02 16:16:20	clever	and 28 might be the hdmi hotplug signal
2021-06-02 16:16:36	JakeSays	hmm
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2021-06-02 16:16:50	clever	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1m27caMlk2gofswU9ZlBD_y3y81Y_0ARSmmQgm0i1AdQ/edit#gid=0
2021-06-02 16:18:15	JakeSays	for now i'll use a mute
2021-06-02 16:18:18	JakeSays	x
2021-06-02 16:18:24	clever	thats far simpler
2021-06-02 16:18:40	JakeSays	i could switch to a CM3.
2021-06-02 16:19:59	clever	JakeSays: there is also a pinctrl i2c mux available in linux
2021-06-02 16:20:08	clever	https://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2835_GPIOs#
2021-06-02 16:20:33	clever	ah, its not of use on a pi3
2021-06-02 16:20:57	clever	https://elinux.org/RPi_BCM2711_GPIOs
2021-06-02 16:21:19	clever	JakeSays: basically, it lets you create 2 virtual i2c busses in /dev, one for gpio 0/1, one for 22/23 for example
2021-06-02 16:21:31	clever	both are managed by the physical i2c-6 (SDA6/SCL6)
2021-06-02 16:21:45	clever	and linux will dynamically change the gpio altfuncs, based on which one your using
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2021-06-02 16:22:28	clever	thats only really useful, if your interfacing with other things, like the camera i2c
2021-06-02 16:22:43	clever	JakeSays: oh, that reminds me, the camera and dsi i2c ports, are kinda available, on those ribbon connectors
2021-06-02 16:23:02	clever	44/45 on my spreadsheet
2021-06-02 16:23:56	JakeSays	it'd be easier using a cm3 i thnk
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2021-06-02 20:36:58	Budgii	Can anyone remember the name of that common raspberry pi camera software? is not MotionOS, or raspi-still
2021-06-02 20:51:59	markofcorn	picamera?
2021-06-02 20:52:14	markofcorn	do you remember anything else about it?
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2021-06-02 21:01:58	Budgii	markofcorn: I think I found it!
2021-06-02 21:03:23	Budgii	RPi_Web_Camera_Interface or whatever heh
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2021-06-02 21:14:26	markofcorn	Nice! Never hooked up a camera to mine
2021-06-02 21:16:19	Budgii	It's a good interface!
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2021-06-02 22:36:15	markofcorn	Can I reasonably run jellyfin on a pi 3b in a docker container alongside a few other light applications? I would be worried about jellyfin alone but I wont be doing any more than 1080p video
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2021-06-03 10:19:58	Budgii	does anyone remember how to set static IP before I do a first boot on a fresh image of raspian?
2021-06-03 10:20:12	Budgii	I have my wpa_supplicant and ssh file on there, just can't recall how I did that before
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2021-06-03 10:32:06	DrJ	I don't think there is a "config" file option for that like there is for ssh and wpa_s
2021-06-03 10:33:36	DrJ	just let it get dhcp and then set a static after that ... or use the 169.254.0.0/16 address to connect with another computer on the same subnet
2021-06-03 10:33:41	Tenkawa	Budgii: https://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=217629
2021-06-03 10:34:03	Tenkawa	its the dhcpcd.conf file
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2021-06-03 10:35:18	DrJ	I personally always just let it grab dhcp and then set it as static (if needed) in my router
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2021-06-03 10:47:40	Budgii	ty
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2021-06-03 12:52:08	Bronzydog76	hello
2021-06-03 12:52:28	Bronzydog76	I am new to IRC and Raspberry pi
2021-06-03 12:52:39	Bronzydog76	but I have some beginner level Linux experience
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2021-06-03 20:48:49	Compy_	Question: I've got a buildroot based OS that was running on the 3b, but I noticed that it never boots past the rainbow screen on the 3b+. Is there something I should be doing to make it compatible with the 3b+ without recompiling the whole OS?
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2021-06-03 21:50:06	jpmh	so,I have a short python script that slowly increases the brightness of an LED - I generally do not wish to use Python and hoped to do the same at the shell with gpio - howve, when I execute: gpio -g mode 23 pwm  and then gpio readall I disocver that the pin has been set to OUT and not PWM.  What am I missing here?
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2021-06-04 00:07:57	jibsonline	Hello
2021-06-04 00:08:33	jibsonline	I am facing an issue with my raspberrypi 4 when connecting an usb camera
2021-06-04 00:08:45	jibsonline	I am able to click images via terminal
2021-06-04 00:09:09	jibsonline	Buut when using with google meet the system freezes and mouse gets stuck
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2021-06-04 10:47:09	Kumool	Weird, I got a destination host unreachable with my vnc, then, I used firefox to connect to a website in the pi, and poof, now the pi is reachable
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2021-06-04 12:21:32	py_crash	Can you ping the machine?
2021-06-04 12:22:04	py_crash	Kumool or maybe the vnc server is not running
2021-06-04 12:24:12	BCMM	i've had problems like that before
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2021-06-04 12:24:23	BCMM	ssh not being accessible until i've made a connection outbound from the pi
2021-06-04 12:24:37	BCMM	i wondered if it was some quirk of wifi power saving
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2021-06-04 13:17:57	Kumool	py_crash: it was, everything got fixed when I by hand, plugged in the keyboard opened firefox and connected to a website
2021-06-04 13:18:04	Kumool	I never disconnected either
2021-06-04 13:18:07	Kumool	bizarroness
2021-06-04 13:18:37	Kumool	You can tell I've never disconnected too, since I am on the pi right now
2021-06-04 13:18:43	Kumool	though I am laggin like crazy
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2021-06-04 13:38:51	stormbytes	hey, anyone recognize this component? https://ibb.co/djpwBm4
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2021-06-04 13:53:27	stormbytes	#electronics
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2021-06-04 14:20:15	py_crash	the poor AM that gets ping all the time with no aparent reason
2021-06-04 14:20:32	py_crash	stormbytes it looks like a diode, but i cannot say more
2021-06-04 14:22:25	Tenkawa	stormbytes: can you read off the numbers on it?
2021-06-04 14:22:45	Tenkawa	that "are" left?
2021-06-04 14:22:54	stormbytes	0148 350V with a Bournes logo
2021-06-04 14:23:01	stormbytes	I already googled it to hell
2021-06-04 14:23:03	Tenkawa	ok just a sec
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2021-06-04 14:24:07	Tenkawa	what is that on?
2021-06-04 14:24:15	Tenkawa	that is an old pary
2021-06-04 14:24:17	Tenkawa	er part
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2021-06-04 14:34:49	Tenkawa	that might be a surge protector
2021-06-04 14:34:56	Tenkawa	https://www.bourns.com/docs/product-datasheets/2027-xx-sm.pdf?sfvrsn=610890a9_10
2021-06-04 14:35:01	Tenkawa	I've found several of these
2021-06-04 14:35:08	Tenkawa	that are similar
2021-06-04 14:35:32	Tenkawa	its a gas tube surge protector
2021-06-04 14:36:33	Tenkawa	the whole list is here:
2021-06-04 14:36:37	Tenkawa	https://www.bourns.com/search?indexCatalogue=psindex&searchQuery=350v%20&wordsMode=0
2021-06-04 14:36:48	Tenkawa	I just looked up the voltae
2021-06-04 14:36:52	Tenkawa	er voltage
2021-06-04 14:37:15	Tenkawa	and started seeing similar designs
2021-06-04 14:38:19	Tenkawa	figuring out the right one now of course if these are the right "type" of part is the next challenge
2021-06-04 14:43:29	stormbytes	Tenkawa Yeah I came across this just earlier
2021-06-04 14:43:29	stormbytes	https://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/switching-spark-gaps/7804896/
2021-06-04 14:43:51	stormbytes	Tenkawa I'm rev-eng a part so.. more like trying to understand what this gizmo does
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2021-06-04 14:44:28	stormbytes	Tenkawa gas tube surge protector would make sense... considering it ties into a spark gap and shares a circuit with other components
2021-06-04 14:44:32	stormbytes	brilliant :)
2021-06-04 14:44:54	Tenkawa	yeah regulator
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2021-06-04 14:45:25	Tenkawa	except that one definitely met its match eh?
2021-06-04 14:46:26	Tenkawa	reminds me of some of the circuits I had to work on growing up
2021-06-04 14:46:49	 *	Tenkawa grew up doing electrical and hvac
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2021-06-04 14:48:09	Tenkawa	ok cheers all.. need to finish taking this machine apart and putting it back together
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2021-06-04 15:13:52	stormbytes	Tenkawa thanks :)
2021-06-04 15:14:07	Tenkawa	np.. hopefully that'll help
2021-06-04 15:14:24	Tenkawa	I was able to test a battery swap in that short time I was gone lol
2021-06-04 15:14:33	Tenkawa	I need to order a replacement battery
2021-06-04 15:14:44	Tenkawa	my laptop battery has a bad cell
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2021-06-04 15:19:51	EtherNet	Tenkawa: same here, my macbook's battery dead 2 days ago
2021-06-04 15:20:03	Tenkawa	ouch
2021-06-04 15:20:05	EtherNet	when it drained 'il 1%, charger isn't charing it anymore
2021-06-04 15:20:09	EtherNet	charging*
2021-06-04 15:20:21	Tenkawa	I am holding a "partial" charge
2021-06-04 15:20:24	EtherNet	so probably it's has a short inside a cell
2021-06-04 15:20:59	Tenkawa	I got more back by running 2 full discharge/charges and 3 probe tests
2021-06-04 15:21:14	Tenkawa	that took 2 days
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2021-06-04 15:21:24	EtherNet	I was in the middle of a full power cycle, draining it fully out to 0% 2 or 3 times, but it failed
2021-06-04 15:21:39	Tenkawa	its charges to 89% now
2021-06-04 15:21:43	EtherNet	if it's old, I don't recommend battery going as low as 15% or below that number
2021-06-04 15:21:59	Tenkawa	EtherNet: its not.. barely over a year old
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2021-06-04 15:22:07	EtherNet	then it should be okey
2021-06-04 15:22:19	Tenkawa	believe me.. I know battery technology
2021-06-04 15:22:22	EtherNet	although li-on batteries are recommended to be kept between 35% and 65% charge
2021-06-04 15:22:28	Tenkawa	I use to be a r/c racer
2021-06-04 15:22:37	EtherNet	Tenkawa: forget my advises then ;) lol
2021-06-04 15:22:57	Tenkawa	60% of r/c racing was battery care
2021-06-04 15:23:07	EtherNet	well don't know if it was Li-On at that time or nickel metal or cadmio, it was very different cause "memory effeect" was always there to
2021-06-04 15:23:15	EtherNet	destroy batteries if you didn't fully discharge it
2021-06-04 15:23:18	Tenkawa	all of the above
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2021-06-04 15:23:32	Tenkawa	been doing it for 25+ years
2021-06-04 15:23:43	EtherNet	a lot , that's nice
2021-06-04 15:23:45	EtherNet	cool hobby,b btw.
2021-06-04 15:23:56	Tenkawa	was doing it right up until covid
2021-06-04 15:24:20	Tenkawa	I was actually having the best runs of my career
2021-06-04 15:24:30	Tenkawa	figures
2021-06-04 15:24:31	Tenkawa	lok
2021-06-04 15:24:33	Tenkawa	er lol
2021-06-04 15:25:08	EtherNet	damn COVID changed everything
2021-06-04 15:25:56	Tenkawa	indeed
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2021-06-04 15:31:03	abmrk	slt:)
2021-06-04 15:35:09	Tenkawa	hmm... appears my battery may have been recalled
2021-06-04 15:35:13	Tenkawa	looking into it
2021-06-04 15:39:42	Encrypt	Hello abmrk
2021-06-04 15:40:39	Tenkawa	definitely seems to be a common problem.. going to have to call support Monday
2021-06-04 15:41:21	Tenkawa	bbialw..afk
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2021-06-04 17:31:50	JakeSays	my latest masterpiece: https://imgur.com/a/RS8xZBU
2021-06-04 17:31:55	JakeSays	(sfw)
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2021-06-04 18:19:48	JakeSays	stiltr: a kvm switch
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2021-06-04 18:26:59	JakeSays	hey have you guys ever used one of those SR04 ultrasonic range sensors with a pi?
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2021-06-04 18:58:33	stiltr	JakeSays: That's pretty cool! I'd be curious to hear some more details.
2021-06-04 19:01:34	Jinx	same :)
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2021-06-04 19:13:37	xenoall	I wonder if Pi5 will be able to use ps2 and ps3 emulators
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2021-06-04 19:21:43	JakeSays	stiltr: the mouse, keyboard, and monitor connect to the pi. the pi captures usb packets and forwards them to four cortex-m0+ microcontrollers over i2c. two of the mcu's emulate keyboards and two mice. those are connected to the two computers that need to share the kbd/mouse.
2021-06-04 19:22:28	JakeSays	each of the computers is also connected to the same monitor as the pi. to switch inputs the pi sends commands to the monitor over hdmi
2021-06-04 19:23:14	stiltr	Nice! That's pretty slick.
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2021-06-04 19:25:37	JakeSays	yeah it turned out well
2021-06-04 19:25:41	JakeSays	was a lot of fun to build
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2021-06-04 23:04:01	Bunk	Hello !
2021-06-04 23:04:17	Bunk	Can a Raspberry Pi 3 serve an USB switch ?
2021-06-04 23:04:30	clever	usb switch?
2021-06-04 23:05:19	Armand	1. There's no such thing as a "USB switch". 2. WUT?
2021-06-04 23:05:44	Armand	If you want a USB *hub*, then just buy one.
2021-06-04 23:07:02	Tenkawa	Armand: technically there are usb switches
2021-06-04 23:07:14	Armand	Technically where?
2021-06-04 23:07:36	clever	Armand: i have a box with 4 device ports, and 1 host port, its meant to connect 1 printer to 4 computers, and press a button to cycle which one
2021-06-04 23:07:42	Tenkawa	A USB switch allows two or more computers to easily share a USB peripheral such as external hard drives, printers, and scanners. The USB switch saves you cost and space on additional USB devices. On the other hand, it eliminates the need to unplug the USB peripheral from one computer and then plug it into the other.
2021-06-04 23:07:44	Armand	Oh lawd.
2021-06-04 23:07:46	clever	its the reverse of a hub, it connects 4 computers to 1 device
2021-06-04 23:07:54	Armand	That's just pure jank.. Use networking.
2021-06-04 23:08:00	clever	but only one computer can use it at once
2021-06-04 23:08:14	clever	Armand: this device is back from before network sharing worked right, it also works great for usb keyboards
2021-06-04 23:08:23	Armand	O_o
2021-06-04 23:08:41	Armand	Network sharing and network connected printers worked before USB existed.
2021-06-04 23:08:52	clever	not everybody knows how to configure it right
2021-06-04 23:08:55	Armand	lol
2021-06-04 23:08:57	clever	for example, i use synergy (network sharing) to sync my keyboard to my laptop
2021-06-04 23:09:03	clever	but sometimes, its not running
2021-06-04 23:09:11	Armand	Yeah, that's another thing.
2021-06-04 23:09:21	clever	the usb switch box, lets me re-route the keyboard/mouse to the laptop temporarily, so i can restart synergy
2021-06-04 23:09:25	Armand	But, yeah... That's just some jank.
2021-06-04 23:09:36	Armand	No wonder I didn't even consider it a valid option.
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2021-06-04 23:11:08	Bunk	clever: I wanted to connect mouse and keyboard --> PC and Raspberry. But some pull power from the Raspberry.
2021-06-04 23:12:21	clever	Bunk: which device would be receiving the input?
2021-06-04 23:12:42	Bunk	Pardon ?
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2021-06-04 23:14:29	Bunk	clever: 2 ( Mouse and Keyboard ) lead to the switch and 4 exit the switch to the PC and the Pi
2021-06-04 23:15:04	clever	yeah, that should work just fine
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2021-06-04 23:17:50	flav0r	ok udes my cm3 board is finally getting made !
2021-06-04 23:17:54	flav0r	dudes !
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2021-06-04 23:21:25	Bunk	clever: No external power ?
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2021-06-04 23:23:07	clever	Bunk: the usb switch devices usually get power from the host they are plugged into
2021-06-04 23:23:40	Bunk	Yes
2021-06-04 23:24:28	Bunk	Hmm
2021-06-04 23:24:53	Bunk	I think the Pi could become too hot
2021-06-04 23:26:34	clever	why do you think it would become hot?
2021-06-04 23:27:57	Bunk	clever: it is getting warm in normal use. I can see the mercury oftentimes. The switch might add. But i am no expert
2021-06-04 23:28:23	Armand	"See the mercury"... ?
2021-06-04 23:28:25	Armand	O_o
2021-06-04 23:28:34	Armand	Freddie?? Is that you?
2021-06-04 23:28:43	stiltr	lol
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2021-06-04 23:46:05	Bunk	Thanks people and see you
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2021-06-05 07:19:02	iobus	hello, I need a volunteer who have RPi-4 or RPi-zero (or both); the RPi must not be on any CPU load (IDLE state/doing nothing at all), what you shall do is running a command that take 5m with (CPU will be 100%) to test crypto algos speed;  for a student academic project
2021-06-05 07:20:03	PsychoTron	you wanna burn a pie?
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2021-06-05 07:20:43	iobus	@PsychoTron no way that will burn it
2021-06-05 07:20:59	PsychoTron	scortzio
2021-06-05 07:21:51	iobus	s/5m/2.5m
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2021-06-05 07:26:44	PsychoTron	I only got burned 1b and raspi 3b
2021-06-05 07:27:26	iobus	I won't mind a 3b too (more data why not)
2021-06-05 07:28:19	PsychoTron	toasted some how the 1b when doing timelapse
2021-06-05 07:28:59	iobus	oh I have a 1.2b; what i need is new models
2021-06-05 07:29:28	iobus	@PsychoTron if you can run this line (take about 2.5m) and give me the results on 3b https://pastebin.com/raw/Vu8HwxGe
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2021-06-05 07:44:13	PsychoTron	I can only use my raspi 3b at home, and I am not at home right now, sorry for misled you, I am going home on monday
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2021-06-05 07:45:43	PsychoTron	*misleading?
2021-06-05 07:46:20	PsychoTron	I only got thinkpad x220 right here with me
2021-06-05 07:46:24	iobus	no problem, i will try to find other volunteers
2021-06-05 07:52:54	PsychoTron	I tried once to compile 64-bit kernel and it kept getting stuck on all cores
2021-06-05 07:53:32	PsychoTron	so I did it with fewer cores
2021-06-05 07:54:30	PsychoTron	now there is not enough space on boot for raspi 4 kernel
2021-06-05 07:54:39	iobus	the disk performance is bad on SD cards
2021-06-05 07:54:58	PsychoTron	I am thinking of buying raspi4
2021-06-05 07:56:48	PsychoTron	also I tested 64-bit distros, which was a waste of time
2021-06-05 07:57:08	PsychoTron	raspbian is best
2021-06-05 07:57:55	PsychoTron	because of the support and all
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2021-06-05 08:00:04	PsychoTron	arch is good for you if you can do it yourself
2021-06-05 08:00:29	iobus	raspbian lite is also interesting
2021-06-05 08:01:03	iobus	make sure you changed the swapiness settings from 60% to 1%
2021-06-05 08:03:34	PsychoTron	in my opinion... sorry if they stink
2021-06-05 08:04:08	PsychoTron	get your own opinions :)
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2021-06-05 08:47:32	Encrypt	Hmmmm... can't iobus get Raspberry Pis with his university?
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2021-06-05 18:18:02	markofcorn	I'm trying to ssh into my pi and getting 'no route to host' but all my google results are telling me to make sure ssh is enabled.
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2021-06-05 18:18:22	markofcorn	I can ssh in if i reset the pi, this only happens if it sits around for awhile
2021-06-05 18:18:37	markofcorn	Why is it timing out/sleeping?
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2021-06-05 18:35:03	clever	markofcorn: "no route to host" means it hasnt had an ip assigned, it doesnt matter if ssh is enabled or not
2021-06-05 18:35:29	clever	either your using the wrong ip, or its not booted far enough to get an ip, or it isnt connecting
2021-06-05 18:36:48	markofcorn	I have it assigned a static ip though. It works for awhile after boot
2021-06-05 18:37:07	markofcorn	Does the pi have an ip it tries to grab or something
2021-06-05 18:37:23	clever	it should just use the static ip in that case
2021-06-05 18:37:30	clever	and if its not responding, maybe it crashed?
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2021-06-05 19:13:38	markofcorn	Hmm yeah so I don't seem to be getting super useful results from google on the cause of the issue
2021-06-05 19:13:40	markofcorn	smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: Failed to read reg index 0x00000114: -71
2021-06-05 19:14:01	markofcorn	Does seem like the pi might be going bad?
2021-06-05 19:15:03	markofcorn	Got a few driver-related solutions to try but tbh I've been looking for an excuse to buy a 4
2021-06-05 19:16:07	Tenkawa	markofcorn: what are you powering your pi with?
2021-06-05 19:16:36	Tenkawa	and what is your media you use to run(microsd/usb?)
2021-06-05 19:16:52	Tenkawa	that is a power related error
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2021-06-05 19:20:16	markofcorn	5V, 2.5A
2021-06-05 19:20:20	markofcorn	microsd
2021-06-05 19:20:40	Tenkawa	5 or 5.1?
2021-06-05 19:21:59	markofcorn	just 5
2021-06-05 19:22:20	Tenkawa	how often is it occuring?
2021-06-05 19:23:11	Tenkawa	I'm seeing that it can be a hardware problem too on the rpi itself
2021-06-05 19:23:15	markofcorn	Eh not sure exactly but at least a few hours
2021-06-05 19:23:25	Tenkawa	check your temp
2021-06-05 19:23:36	Tenkawa	sudo vcgencmd measure_temp
2021-06-05 19:23:48	Tenkawa	(if you have the utils installed)
2021-06-05 19:24:31	markofcorn	Though the amazon reviews for my power supply arent very good now that im looking at it
2021-06-05 19:24:46	Tenkawa	oh
2021-06-05 19:24:58	Tenkawa	yeah these are "very" power supply sensitive
2021-06-05 19:25:28	markofcorn	I got 39.2C
2021-06-05 19:25:39	Tenkawa	yeah thats fine
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2021-06-05 19:25:58	markofcorn	Is there a particular supply you'd reccommend. Think I've had a couple bad ones in the past
2021-06-05 19:26:51	Tenkawa	it definitely sounds like "inconsistent" power.. I would recommend the spec one :
2021-06-05 19:26:55	Tenkawa	rpi 4  right?
2021-06-05 19:27:04	Tenkawa	or which model
2021-06-05 19:27:55	Tenkawa	ahh you looking to buy a 4
2021-06-05 19:28:08	Tenkawa	what model you got?
2021-06-05 19:28:16	Tenkawa	so I can get you the right link
2021-06-05 19:28:20	markofcorn	Currently have a 3B
2021-06-05 19:28:31	Tenkawa	just a sec
2021-06-05 19:29:29	markofcorn	Though for server 1080p video locally using jellyfin would i get a noticable improvement by just buying the 4? Since it doesnt use the same power supply I'd rather just upgrade now if I'm buying stuff anyway
2021-06-05 19:30:09	Tenkawa	this guy:
2021-06-05 19:30:10	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply/
2021-06-05 19:30:26	Tenkawa	the 4 would be a big improvement
2021-06-05 19:30:33	Tenkawa	definitely over a 3b
2021-06-05 19:31:18	 *	Tenkawa has 7 pi 4 class machines
2021-06-05 19:31:21	Tenkawa	lol
2021-06-05 19:32:27	Tenkawa	brb... taking one off a rack atm... need to possibly decomm it... bad microsd holder (my oldest uunit)
2021-06-05 19:41:47	markofcorn	Hmm so the other question I had then is do I *actually* need to actively cool it?
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2021-06-05 19:45:44	Tenkawa	depends on what you do with it and if you enclose it.. a lot of people dont
2021-06-05 19:45:52	Tenkawa	some do..
2021-06-05 19:45:59	Tenkawa	its 6/half dozen
2021-06-05 19:46:22	markofcorn	I see.
2021-06-05 19:47:35	markofcorn	I think I'll grab a 4gb and an official power supply and start there
2021-06-05 19:49:28	markofcorn	Do you have an 8gb and if so, do you actually use all 8 of it
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2021-06-05 19:52:18	Tenkawa	I do
2021-06-05 19:52:30	Tenkawa	but I do heavy devel/building
2021-06-05 19:52:40	Tenkawa	most people will not
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2021-06-05 20:04:05	markofcorn	Yeah I'm just hosting a few applications for personal use. Jellyfin is the most intensive thing I'm gonna do
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2021-06-06 14:50:22	nmschulte	Trying to get V4L2 M2M hw codec accel on RPi4 via https://raspi.debian.net/ images (AArch64; arm64), and am struggling.  Have built ffmpeg from src/ with the relevant flags, but it fails at runtime unable to find/configure the device suitably.  Has anyone accomplished this before, have insights as to how I can diagnose what's awry?
2021-06-06 14:51:25	Tenkawa	those images do not use the rpi hardware libraries
2021-06-06 14:51:56	Tenkawa	you need to  use the libraries and videocore libraries from the foundation rpios not debian
2021-06-06 14:52:53	nmschulte	Tenkawa: is that this repository (or other/related)? https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland
2021-06-06 14:53:38	Tenkawa	only for the userland tools.. what happens when you do the following.. (getting syntax)
2021-06-06 14:54:17	nmschulte	I don't have the device with me currently but will get back to it this afternoon; but keep it coming, I appreciate the help
2021-06-06 14:54:51	Tenkawa	ok
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2021-06-06 15:18:26	craigevil	or just install the pios kernel and headers
2021-06-06 15:18:58	craigevil	or use the pios kernel source to build a kernel
2021-06-06 15:19:27	craigevil	videocore is in the kernel headers package
2021-06-06 15:19:57	craigevil	linux-headers-5.10.0-7-arm64: /usr/src/linux-headers-5.10.0-7-arm64/include/config/bcm/videocore.h
2021-06-06 15:20:27	craigevil	linux-headers-5.10.0-7-arm64: /usr/src/linux-headers-5.10.0-7-arm64/include/config/bcm/videocore.h
2021-06-06 15:20:50	craigevil	whoops sorry for the double
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2021-06-06 15:29:21	Tenkawa	craigevil: actually videocore is in the broadcom restricted git archive
2021-06-06 15:29:29	Tenkawa	not the kernel
2021-06-06 15:29:41	Tenkawa	thats why its such a pain
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2021-06-06 15:30:34	Tenkawa	the everyday person such as us doesnt have access to anything but precompiled libraries/binaries for videocore
2021-06-06 15:30:40	Tenkawa	and headers
2021-06-06 15:32:00	Tenkawa	you can build the rpi kernel and overlay it but you have to use their userland utilities
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2021-06-06 17:40:57	MikeRL	Anyone have syncing issues with Chromium 89? Wonder if it has to do with Google killing off sync for non-sanctioned versions of Chromium browsers, or if it's on my end.
2021-06-06 17:41:22	MikeRL	I just updated the Pi after 3 months so some minor stuff has broken.
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2021-06-06 17:45:26	Tenkawa	yep.. looks like you would be affected according to this:
2021-06-06 17:45:30	Tenkawa	https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/01/chromium-sync-google-api-removed
2021-06-06 17:45:35	Tenkawa	if its correct
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2021-06-06 17:47:00	Tenkawa	the old data is there.. looks like you just can't access it anymore on newer chromium based browsers if I'm reading this right
2021-06-06 17:47:14	Tenkawa	(or old ones)
2021-06-06 17:47:28	MikeRL	Yeah I've seen that article a while back.
2021-06-06 17:47:38	MikeRL	Wonder if everyone is impacted using the Pi?
2021-06-06 17:47:42	MikeRL	On Pi OS.
2021-06-06 17:47:53	Tenkawa	its linux
2021-06-06 17:48:00	Tenkawa	so yes
2021-06-06 17:48:28	MikeRL	Dang. Google screwed Chromium real hard.
2021-06-06 17:48:30	Tenkawa	But all version of Chromium will be affected from March 15, even on older builds where the API keys are still present.    The more people who hear about this change before it happens, the better    In fact, all Linux distributions are affected irrespective of how they choose to package Chromium.
2021-06-06 17:48:42	MikeRL	Chrome itself won't even run on arm Linux.
2021-06-06 17:49:00	Tenkawa	I didn't say chrome.. I said Chromium
2021-06-06 17:49:19	MikeRL	Yeah I know. I'm saying Google makes no sense.
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2021-06-06 18:33:28	craigevil	you can get your own api-keys for chromium so sync still works
2021-06-06 18:33:30	craigevil	https://www.chromium.org/developers/how-tos/api-keys
2021-06-06 18:34:13	craigevil	or do like I did, I copied my chromium profile to my vivaldi profile. vivaldi uses its own sync service and it works on linux and android
2021-06-06 18:37:29	clever	craigevil: i have a secondary problem, (not on the rpi), where chrome 91 is just hanging on startup and never opens a gui
2021-06-06 18:37:54	clever	and i suspect chrome 89 wont use the keys in the env vars, because it was still built with the old keys
2021-06-06 18:38:51	craigevil	i do not even have chromium installed, after i switched to vivaldi i removed it
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2021-06-06 18:40:08	clever	well, that problem seems gone now, or its profile specific
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2021-06-06 18:53:16	clever	> In the "Application type" section check the "Other" option and give it a name in the "Name" text box, then click "Create"
2021-06-06 18:53:25	clever	craigevil: that option is missing
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2021-06-06 19:00:13	craigevil	if that is about the APi-keys, I haven't messed with it, I just bookmarked it when someone on the forum said it worked for them
2021-06-06 19:01:00	clever	i tried claiming desktop app and continued, it currently fails with: [9323:9323:0606/195918.726310:ERROR:dice_turn_sync_on_helper.cc(226)] Cannot turn Sync On for invalid account.
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2021-06-06 19:02:52	clever	aha, service accounts i think?
2021-06-06 19:04:33	clever	aha, i think i had to join a second forum
2021-06-06 19:09:30	clever	craigevil: i think its working, but its not pulling my old sync profile data.....
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2021-06-06 19:53:08	clever	craigevil: 1: yes, it does properly sync
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2021-06-06 19:53:34	clever	craigevil: 2: the credentials created, dont work for my work google acct, so i must create a second set of credentials, and spawn chrome with the right ones!
2021-06-06 19:53:49	clever	3: i suspect android's google'd chrome, wont sync to my chromium
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2021-06-06 20:20:49	craigevil	just came across a neat app, a console ebook reader, https://github.com/wustho/epy
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2021-06-08 06:57:32	wyre	hi guys, I cannot find this script (/scripts/local) which is sourced in the overlay script when you enable it https://github.com/RPi-Distro/raspi-config/blob/master/raspi-config#L2298
2021-06-08 06:57:39	wyre	where is it located?
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2021-06-08 13:08:06	fuxxy	So I'm actually running LibreELEC on a Raspberry Pi 4 - 4GB. I'd prefer _not even utilizing_ an SD card, as it would eventually be a point of failure, so I'm booting off of PXE and using NFS for the filesystem. I'm having lags and errors while navigating around, but my media plays just fine. Would it make sense, even though the entire filesystem is a NFS mount, to set up a tmpfs filesystem in RAM and use it for a cache for thumbnails and the internal
2021-06-08 13:08:06	fuxxy	database? I'll have to set up a bootscript to copy about 1GB over on every boot, and I'm not sure how I would handle syncing.
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2021-06-08 16:03:00	jakimo	My son would like to try his hand at a Pi.. any recommendations for a starting point?
2021-06-08 16:04:33	Budgii	jakimo: get a pi and a starter kit for him to play with. freenove has some good ones
2021-06-08 16:04:51	Budgii	only way to start, is to start! :)
2021-06-08 16:04:51	jakimo	Freenove, gotcha
2021-06-08 16:05:08	jakimo	I'll check them out. Thank you
2021-06-08 16:05:12	Budgii	You're welcome!
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2021-06-08 16:10:01	Snuupy	jakimo: pi4 (2GB if you wanna cheap out, 8GB if you wanna run VMs or something), flirc case, official PSU
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2021-06-08 21:16:17	craigevil	Tenkawa, rpi-updated to kernel 5.10.42-v8+
2021-06-08 21:16:38	Tenkawa	yeah they updated all the trees finally
2021-06-08 21:16:52	craigevil	Linux raspberrypi 5.10.42-v8+ #1422 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 8 13:05:42 BST 2021 aarch64 GNU/Linux
2021-06-08 21:16:59	Tenkawa	already started updating when I got home this evening
2021-06-08 21:17:37	Tenkawa	Linux the400 5.12.9-tenkawa-v8 #1 SMP Tue Jun 8 19:48:59 EDT 2021 aarch64 GNU/Linux
2021-06-08 21:17:51	craigevil	nice
2021-06-08 21:17:53	Tenkawa	this one is an rpi one.. not one of my patched up ones
2021-06-08 21:18:26	Tenkawa	/dev/sda2 on / type xfs (rw,noatime,attr2,inode64,logbufs=8,logbsize=32k,noquota)
2021-06-08 21:18:32	Tenkawa	heheh
2021-06-08 21:19:46	Tenkawa	got my cm4 finally talking to a pci-e and nvme drive yesterday
2021-06-08 21:20:08	Tenkawa	going to rebuild it tomorrow with this new image
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2021-06-09 04:13:56	heller_	hmm guys
2021-06-09 04:14:24	heller_	how could i make sure my raspberry pi has no firewall?
2021-06-09 04:14:40	heller_	so it would accept traffic from anywhere in LAN
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2021-06-09 04:30:33	nikow2	heller_: sudo iptables -L should have no rules and all ACCEPTING
2021-06-09 04:31:06	nikow2	heller_: BUT it will still do not accept any traffic -- you need to switch your interfaces into promiscius mode, what is not possible with build-in WiFi
2021-06-09 04:31:40	nikow2	any or every traffic? I am not sure how to tell it, but it will accept traffic addressed to it.
2021-06-09 04:38:14	heller_	hah, it was unifi blocking multicast and broadcast.
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2021-06-09 07:13:58	manuels	has this channel been? officially moved to libera
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2021-06-09 07:17:26	manuels	what is the most easy way to make a pi1 behave like a wifi repeater
2021-06-09 07:17:38	manuels	i dont want to tinker with cli tools which are deprecated in 5 years again, rather some sort of intuitive webui.
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2021-06-09 07:17:56	manuels	is openwrt a good place to start?
2021-06-09 07:19:24	manuels	_not_ something like that https://pimylifeup.com/raspberry-pi-wifi-extender/
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2021-06-09 07:20:42	nikow2	manuels: OpenWRT, but i am not aware of nice webui or GUI.
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2021-06-09 12:29:32	Snuupy	yeah use openwrt
2021-06-09 12:29:44	Snuupy	luci web UI is fine
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2021-06-09 12:30:04	Snuupy	rpi1 gunna run into some bandwidth issues though
2021-06-09 12:30:09	Snuupy	also not dual band
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2021-06-09 13:51:22	nikow2	I wish to live to times, when normal PCs will be as good described as Raspberry Pis.
2021-06-09 13:52:03	nikow2	I have Gigabyte Brix which is overheating. I wish it have /boot/config.txt where i will be able to set limit temp to 60C, like i do for my RPis
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2021-06-09 14:20:25	Snuupy	you can likely use throttlestop (intel) or ryzen controller
2021-06-09 14:21:27	nikow2	I will google for this throttlestop thing.
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2021-06-09 15:52:34	fuxxy	My rPI4 is set to netboot, but sits for a while (20 secs) at the bootloader screen before finally showing an IP address and continuing. Is there a way to speed this process up?
2021-06-09 15:55:03	clever	fuxxy: start by enabling BOOT_UART=1 in the eeprom config, and then watch the uart to see what its doing for that 20 seconds
2021-06-09 15:55:56	fuxxy	clever, watching the uart would involve a hardware serial converter attached to a separate PC I'm assuming?
2021-06-09 15:56:06	clever	yeah
2021-06-09 15:56:13	clever	you can use another rpi as a serial converter
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2021-06-09 15:56:40	fuxxy	clever, correct. I just wanted to make sure I was following correctly
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2021-06-09 16:09:38	Meli	Someone has experience with UPS for the raspi? I would like to attach it to a router carrier board for the CM4 (DFR0767)
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2021-06-09 16:10:36	Meli	*experience with UPS solutions for the raspi
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2021-06-09 17:00:00	r3	best bet would be to test.  I would stay away from the cheaper APC.  The ones that output a sine wave are more expensive, but everything downstream will be a happier for it.
2021-06-09 17:01:02	r3	and, probably, a better still solution would be simply DC and chuck the AC adapter or converting from AC to DC to AC to DC
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2021-06-09 17:01:31	r3	so a battery system, as used for - say ham radios - and a battery charger, not UPSes
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2021-06-09 18:18:36	Tenkawa	clever: you around this evening by chance? got a scenario I want to run by you cm4 related
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2021-06-09 18:22:34	clever	Tenkawa: yep
2021-06-09 18:23:39	Tenkawa	clever: here's an odd one for you... trying to move stuff around to an external card.. I got the boot messed up where it can't find the uuid... but here's the odd part...
2021-06-09 18:23:55	Tenkawa	rpiboot just sits at waiting now
2021-06-09 18:24:07	Tenkawa	no matter what jumper combination
2021-06-09 18:24:42	clever	if you put it into rpiboot mode, plug in the device cable, and then reset the SoC, but DONT run rpiboot
2021-06-09 18:24:45	clever	does it appear in lsusb?
2021-06-09 18:24:51	Tenkawa	no
2021-06-09 18:24:58	Tenkawa	that was peculiar too
2021-06-09 18:25:01	clever	what does it do?
2021-06-09 18:25:11	Tenkawa	it tries to boot up with the bad device
2021-06-09 18:25:17	Tenkawa	 i see it on my ttl cable
2021-06-09 18:25:29	clever	are you sure the rpiboot jumper is installed correctly?
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2021-06-09 18:25:49	Tenkawa	not 100% no
2021-06-09 18:25:57	clever	can you take a photo of the jumper?
2021-06-09 18:26:00	Tenkawa	no
2021-06-09 18:26:03	Tenkawa	no camera
2021-06-09 18:26:53	Tenkawa	let me be sure though I'm jupering right one
2021-06-09 18:26:59	Tenkawa	er jumpering
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2021-06-09 18:27:28	Tenkawa	the only one I should need to jumper is disable emmc boot right?
2021-06-09 18:27:35	clever	nope
2021-06-09 18:27:37	Tenkawa	oh
2021-06-09 18:27:42	Tenkawa	thats the prob then
2021-06-09 18:27:50	clever	what is the jumper right beside that?
2021-06-09 18:27:59	Tenkawa	write protect eeprom
2021-06-09 18:27:59	clever	ah wait
2021-06-09 18:28:03	clever	they labeled things wrong
2021-06-09 18:28:21	clever	you do want "disable emmc boot" i believe...
2021-06-09 18:28:23	Tenkawa	yeah its very confysing labelling
2021-06-09 18:28:28	clever	let me check the schematics
2021-06-09 18:28:30	Tenkawa	yeah..
2021-06-09 18:28:50	Tenkawa	I know it needs to be disabled... but I'm not sure if thats "all"
2021-06-09 18:29:14	Tenkawa	it acts like something else is stuck
2021-06-09 18:29:28	clever	did you try resetting the soc while the jumper is set?
2021-06-09 18:29:37	Tenkawa	yes
2021-06-09 18:29:46	clever	> 1-2 nRPIBOOT If fitted forces USB booting, it is useful if the eMMC becomes corrupted.
2021-06-09 18:29:58	clever	the docs call it nrpiboot! https://datasheets.raspberrypi.org/cm4io/cm4io-datasheet.pdf
2021-06-09 18:30:10	Tenkawa	just a sec.. let me loo
2021-06-09 18:30:11	Tenkawa	k
2021-06-09 18:31:17	clever	page 11 is the schematic for this region
2021-06-09 18:31:22	clever	pins 1/3 are gnd
2021-06-09 18:31:28	clever	pin 2 nRPIBOOT
2021-06-09 18:31:33	clever	pin 4 EEPROM_nWP
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2021-06-09 18:32:36	Tenkawa	ahh haa
2021-06-09 18:32:44	Tenkawa	thats what I was looking for
2021-06-09 18:33:09	Tenkawa	let me try that
2021-06-09 18:33:11	clever	so when you bridge 1/2 as the silkscreen says, your just pulling nRPIBOOT to gnd
2021-06-09 18:33:34	Tenkawa	need to go dig up another jumper
2021-06-09 18:33:35	Tenkawa	brb
2021-06-09 18:33:53	clever	Tenkawa: what else did you spend jumpers on?
2021-06-09 18:34:22	Tenkawa	I dont have them lying around.. I had to pull the other one off an old hard drive
2021-06-09 18:34:29	Tenkawa	going to do the same again
2021-06-09 18:35:02	Tenkawa	since I'll need to have 2 hooked up at once
2021-06-09 18:35:10	Tenkawa	oh wait no
2021-06-09 18:35:12	Tenkawa	only 1
2021-06-09 18:35:28	clever	why 2?
2021-06-09 18:35:30	Tenkawa	that one was for disabling that I already had
2021-06-09 18:35:45	Tenkawa	I'll reuse it
2021-06-09 18:36:14	Tenkawa	now I need to figure out orientation
2021-06-09 18:37:43	Tenkawa	oh..that was misleading
2021-06-09 18:37:44	clever	Tenkawa: exactly as the silkscreen on the pcb says
2021-06-09 18:37:48	clever	what?
2021-06-09 18:37:52	Tenkawa	thats the same block
2021-06-09 18:37:55	Tenkawa	heh
2021-06-09 18:38:23	Tenkawa	thats still disable emmc boot
2021-06-09 18:38:32	Tenkawa	so I need to get a usb boot ready
2021-06-09 18:38:34	clever	yeah
2021-06-09 18:38:47	Tenkawa	ok.. time to build one
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2021-06-09 18:40:49	Tenkawa	ok lets see what happens
2021-06-09 18:41:04	Tenkawa	I'll try new build and old build
2021-06-09 18:41:16	Tenkawa	(if new doesnt work
2021-06-09 18:41:39	clever	it should show up in lsusb, without any need to build something
2021-06-09 18:42:14	Tenkawa	I mean my os builds
2021-06-09 18:42:56	Tenkawa	if you mean trying to connect to host
2021-06-09 18:43:12	Tenkawa	I've tried that 10+ times already no go
2021-06-09 18:43:16	clever	yeah, when you turn it on with the jumper set, it will show up in lsusb immediately
2021-06-09 18:43:18	Tenkawa	with this combo
2021-06-09 18:43:28	clever	thats how it should work
2021-06-09 18:43:31	clever	are you sure its a data capable usb cord?
2021-06-09 18:43:36	clever	is it plugged into the right port?
2021-06-09 18:43:51	Tenkawa	yes the on;y micro usb port it has
2021-06-09 18:43:55	Tenkawa	er only
2021-06-09 18:44:15	clever	is it one of those charge-only cables that everybody has and doesnt realize?
2021-06-09 18:44:28	Tenkawa	entirely possible
2021-06-09 18:44:44	Tenkawa	I have too many crap cables still lying arouns
2021-06-09 18:44:47	Tenkawa	er around
2021-06-09 18:44:50	clever	try another one
2021-06-09 18:45:04	Tenkawa	yeah let me dig up my really good one
2021-06-09 18:45:06	Tenkawa	brb
2021-06-09 18:45:29	Tenkawa	didnt think of that (I always do in usb 3 stuff... odd)
2021-06-09 18:46:36	clever	also, the soc shouldnt even boot when the jumper is set
2021-06-09 18:46:42	clever	no activity led, no hdmi, no uart
2021-06-09 18:48:43	Tenkawa	I dont have screen so cant check that.. but i can confirm uart is dead and no activity led
2021-06-09 18:49:04	clever	while in that state, it should wait for a usb host to connect, and then enumerate itself
2021-06-09 18:49:07	Tenkawa	ok plugging up what "should" be a better cable
2021-06-09 18:49:08	clever	and then wait for rpiboot to run
2021-06-09 18:49:28	clever	i dont know if its able to enumerate twice, ive not tried that
2021-06-09 18:49:34	clever	so it may need another reset?
2021-06-09 18:49:36	Tenkawa	darnit grabbed wrong one.. brb
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2021-06-09 18:53:21	Tenkawa	ok here we go again
2021-06-09 18:54:30	Tenkawa	that did it
2021-06-09 18:55:07	clever	the magic charge-only cables that ive never seen, strike once again!
2021-06-09 18:55:17	clever	they also cause problems with the pico
2021-06-09 18:55:52	Tenkawa	indeed
2021-06-09 18:55:57	Tenkawa	thanks again
2021-06-09 18:56:20	Tenkawa	now I should be able to hopefully fix the boot
2021-06-09 18:56:42	clever	yep, with rpiboot working, you can load msd/start4.elf, and do whatever to the emmc
2021-06-09 18:57:12	Tenkawa	because its just booting a pci-e nvme now so I just need to fix the cmdline
2021-06-09 18:57:21	Tenkawa	thats what I broke
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2021-06-09 18:57:50	Tenkawa	I typo'd something in the UUID or the btrfs subvol
2021-06-09 18:58:32	clever	for that, you may need to re-flash it to boot from emmc again or something, and then boot linux in some way
2021-06-09 18:58:33	Tenkawa	I'm replacing it all shortly with a xfs image anyway
2021-06-09 18:58:50	Tenkawa	yeah thats what I'm going to do
2021-06-09 18:59:12	Tenkawa	thats what I was trying to prepare for when this broke
2021-06-09 18:59:48	Tenkawa	but now I can move the image right over
2021-06-09 18:59:54	Tenkawa	thanks again
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2021-06-09 19:14:20	Tenkawa	here goes the big test
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2021-06-09 19:16:19	Tenkawa	yay success
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2021-06-09 20:50:10	clever	Tenkawa: nice
2021-06-09 20:50:50	Tenkawa	clever: indeed... now I can just update the rest to 5.12.9 tomorrow and relax
2021-06-09 20:51:57	Tenkawa	/dev/mmcblk0:
2021-06-09 20:51:57	Tenkawa	 Timing buffered disk reads: 244 MB in  3.00 seconds =  81.20 MB/sec
2021-06-09 20:51:57	Tenkawa	/dev/nvme0n1:
2021-06-09 20:51:57	Tenkawa	 Timing buffered disk reads: 968 MB in  3.00 seconds = 322.61 MB/sec
2021-06-09 20:52:05	Tenkawa	fairly big difference
2021-06-09 20:52:29	clever	is that to the raw block dev, or the fs ontop?
2021-06-09 20:52:32	Tenkawa	between the emmc and the nvme on the pcie
2021-06-09 20:52:40	clever	oh, i see it now
2021-06-09 20:52:42	Tenkawa	thats the rawd dev
2021-06-09 20:53:13	Tenkawa	the fs is /dev/nvme0n1p1
2021-06-09 20:53:28	clever	checking the math, the emmc should do 100mbyte/sec hard max
2021-06-09 20:53:43	clever	so yeah, your nvme is 3x better then emmc can ever be
2021-06-09 20:54:28	clever	the emmc is running on an 8bit bus, 50mhz, DDR
2021-06-09 20:54:29	Tenkawa	may not be the most robust looking thing
2021-06-09 20:54:38	Tenkawa	but it runs nice
2021-06-09 20:54:40	clever	so its moving 50mil * 2 bytes/sec
2021-06-09 20:55:01	Tenkawa	that card really sticks out lol
2021-06-09 20:55:07	clever	but there will be overheads in the protocol, and the flash read speeds
2021-06-09 20:55:17	clever	oh, have you seen the new SD specs?
2021-06-09 20:55:32	Tenkawa	not yet no
2021-06-09 20:56:15	clever	Tenkawa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SD_card and scroll down to sd express
2021-06-09 20:56:29	clever	thats a bloody nvme drive, in a full-size sd card package
2021-06-09 20:56:45	clever	the extra contacts, are pci-e lanes
2021-06-09 20:58:10	Tenkawa	sounds nice but havent seen anyone implementing it yet
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2021-06-09 21:01:03	clever	Tenkawa: if you wanted to support it on a cm4 board, you would need to either sacrifice your only pcie, or get an expensive pcie expander
2021-06-09 21:01:22	Tenkawa	I cant do either
2021-06-09 21:01:32	Tenkawa	my cm4 is emmc...
2021-06-09 21:01:45	Tenkawa	microsd is non-functional
2021-06-09 21:02:01	clever	ah right, so such a socket would work ONLY with sd-express cards
2021-06-09 21:02:06	clever	since the sd pins wont go anywhere
2021-06-09 21:02:21	clever	you can maybe get the sdhost controller to work on the gpio pins
2021-06-09 21:02:24	Tenkawa	so I cabt use those cards anyway
2021-06-09 21:02:35	Tenkawa	I like my pci-e :)
2021-06-09 21:03:22	Tenkawa	glad I got to ask jeff to recommend a card
2021-06-09 21:03:50	Tenkawa	I was having no luck with them locally
2021-06-09 21:04:03	Tenkawa	only had larger pci-e cards
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2021-06-10 06:26:23	SysGhost	I've noticed the raspberry OS includes fstrim command, but not the systemd timer and service. Although it was as simple as manually creating them, it would be nice to have em included. (I boot on an SSD through USB, as that improves the lifetime greatly compared to a regular sdcard). Other debian-derivatives do include thise systemd files. Is there a place for "suggestions" ?
2021-06-10 06:27:23	Chunkyz-RPi	SysGhost: the forums. or github.
2021-06-10 06:31:38	SysGhost	Right. I got to be one of those odd ones who go to IRC before the forums ;)
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2021-06-10 06:49:17	Meli	r3: thank you for the reply, but as Uninterruptible Power Supply for the Raspberry Pi I didn't mean the ones used for desktop PCs or some other appliances...
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2021-06-10 07:04:45	SysGhost	Talking of power supply. Can I supply power through the 5V pins on the pinheader instead of the USB? Would make things a whole lot easier for some of my projects.
2021-06-10 07:09:09	BurtyB	yes
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2021-06-10 11:55:27	iobus	hello, I need a volunteer who have RPi-4 or RPi-zero (or both); the RPi must not be on any CPU load (IDLE state/doing nothing at all), what you shall do is running an openssl command that take 2.5m with (CPU will be 100%) to test crypto algos speed;  for a student academic project
2021-06-10 12:00:02	Reedy	plenty of people probably can if you paste the the command you want
2021-06-10 12:00:53	iobus	The command: https://pastebin.com/raw/JZuqQ15w
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2021-06-10 12:16:07	Reedy	definitely taking longer than 2.5 mins
2021-06-10 12:16:59	iobus	no way; the time is limited to 10s for each algo: "rsa2048 rsa3072 rsa4096 ecdsa eddsa ecdh"
2021-06-10 12:19:49	Reedy	it's finished now
2021-06-10 12:19:50	Reedy	14770 pi        20   0    6460   5168   3736 R 100.0   0.1  12:55.61 openssl
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2021-06-10 12:20:05	 *	Reedy runs it again
2021-06-10 12:20:14	iobus	@Reedy will you please post it in paste bin?
2021-06-10 12:20:54	Reedy	sure
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2021-06-10 12:28:42	py_crash	iobus do you need it runing Raspberry Pi OS?
2021-06-10 12:29:20	iobus	@py_crash no, any GNU/Linux that's is almost 0% CPU
2021-06-10 12:30:08	Reedy	it's definitely taking over 10 minutes
2021-06-10 12:30:12	iobus	@py_crash but if the OpenSSL is compiled with non-default flags I need to know
2021-06-10 12:30:33	Reedy	Linux version 5.10.17-v7l+ (dom@buildbot) (arm-linux-gnueabihf-gcc-8 (Ubuntu/Linaro 8.4.0-3ubuntu1) 8.4.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.34) #1421 SMP Thu May 27 14:00:13 BST 2021
2021-06-10 12:31:14	Reedy	rpi 4b, 8gb, 32bit raspberry pi os...
2021-06-10 12:32:27	iobus	@Reedy oh i'm sorry it shouldn't be 2.5m, it should be 4m, i forgot it will do both sign and verify the sign, in my system it's a 24 processes, so 10s*24
2021-06-10 12:33:25	Reedy	https://pastebin.com/CMQ3NMds first run
2021-06-10 12:33:39	iobus	@Reedy maybe your system was doing something (not IDLE?)
2021-06-10 12:33:49	Reedy	Nope, it's definitel idle
2021-06-10 12:33:57	Reedy	pi@raspberrypi:~ $ date; echo "### config.txt" > bench.txt ; cat /boot/config.txt >> bench.txt ; echo "### lscpu and free" >> bench.txt ; lscpu &>> bench.txt ; free -m &>> bench.txt ; echo "### openssl speed" >> bench.txt ; openssl speed -seconds 10 rsa2048 rsa3072 rsa4096 ecdsa eddsa ecdh &>> bench.txt; date
2021-06-10 12:33:57	Reedy	Thu 10 Jun 17:20:46 BST 2021
2021-06-10 12:33:57	Reedy	Thu 10 Jun 17:33:47 BST 2021
2021-06-10 12:34:48	Reedy	https://pastebin.com/wE1iqizK 2nd
2021-06-10 12:35:14	iobus	@Reedy ah make sense why, i see it testing a lot of misc ECC algorithm that's not supported in my system
2021-06-10 12:35:53	Reedy	aha
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2021-06-10 12:38:27	iobus	@Reedy are you sure that you pasted the 2nd run? looks the same with 1st
2021-06-10 12:38:35	iobus	maybe a copy paste glitch
2021-06-10 12:38:58	py_crash	I cannot get 100% idle because my dns and my irc client are running on it, but around 5%
2021-06-10 12:39:03	Reedy	last lines are different
2021-06-10 12:39:04	Reedy	 253 bits EdDSA (Ed25519)   0.0002s   0.0006s   5143.5   1765.8
2021-06-10 12:39:04	Reedy	 456 bits EdDSA (Ed448)   0.0013s   0.0027s    778.8    368.6
2021-06-10 12:39:04	Reedy	vs
2021-06-10 12:39:09	iobus	@Reedy never mind i'm opening the same file
2021-06-10 12:39:09	Reedy	 253 bits EdDSA (Ed25519)   0.0002s   0.0006s   5133.7   1786.5
2021-06-10 12:39:10	Reedy	 456 bits EdDSA (Ed448)   0.0013s   0.0027s    781.3    368.2
2021-06-10 12:39:11	Reedy	so similar
2021-06-10 12:39:12	iobus	sorry
2021-06-10 12:39:12	Reedy	haha
2021-06-10 12:39:18	iobus	lol
2021-06-10 12:39:38	iobus	@py_crash 5% is okay
2021-06-10 12:41:02	py_crash	okay, it's running. First error `cat: /boot/config.txt: No such file or directory`
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2021-06-10 12:42:07	iobus	@py_crash no problem since it's not the RPi OS, i wanted that just to know if there is any overclocking
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2021-06-10 12:44:10	iobus	@Reedy wow, much faster than my RPi 1 for RSA, but still slow with 24sign per s; ECC is much better
2021-06-10 12:44:14	iobus	@Reedy thank you
2021-06-10 12:44:20	Reedy	I do have a pi zero or two
2021-06-10 12:44:32	Reedy	but never set them up for anything
2021-06-10 12:45:58	iobus	@Reedy No problem, since they are not configured; I made enough trouble :D
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2021-06-10 13:05:24	py_crash	iobus: https://bin.disroot.org/?550fe9161c5bf3e8#H3Q8VjVsXWpQmtecsAQrpmeWcLjRnoMd21HdXSHNpd6c
2021-06-10 13:05:47	py_crash	There you have it. It expires in 24 hours so get it now xD
2021-06-10 13:06:42	py_crash	Raspberry Pi 4, 4gb, Ubuntu 20.04 running with btrfs on root
2021-06-10 13:07:20	iobus	@py_crash thank you for the sweet data :D
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2021-06-10 13:08:35	iobus	oh yeah people should definitely stop using RSA
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2021-06-10 13:09:53	iobus	@py_crash wow your system has 2x speed with the NIST P-256 curve compared to @Reedy 8k vs 4k
2021-06-10 13:10:32	iobus	Oh i see; OpenSSL 1.1.1d  10 Sep 2019 vs. OpenSSL 1.1.1f  31 Mar 2020
2021-06-10 13:11:40	Tenkawa	you both running fairly old versions
2021-06-10 13:11:42	Tenkawa	openssl                             1.1.1k-1
2021-06-10 13:12:38	Tenkawa	1.1.1k (25 March 2021
2021-06-10 13:13:19	Tenkawa	I build my own images though
2021-06-10 13:14:11	Reedy	mines just what buster ships
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2021-06-10 13:14:48	Tenkawa	yeah. I'm running a bit newer than buster heheheh
2021-06-10 13:15:25	iobus	@py_crash dude, my i5-4200U (turbo off) can do only 7k on NIST P-256 and your pi 8k ; ps: Fedora openssl 2021-03-25
2021-06-10 13:15:56	Tenkawa	what you guys running?
2021-06-10 13:16:05	Tenkawa	I have a pi I want to test with
2021-06-10 13:16:18	Reedy	echo "### config.txt" > bench.txt ; cat /boot/config.txt >> bench.txt ; echo "### lscpu and free" >> bench.txt ; lscpu &>> bench.txt ; free -m &>> bench.txt ; echo "### openssl speed" >> bench.txt ; openssl speed -seconds 10 rsa2048 rsa3072 rsa4096 ecdsa eddsa ecdh &>> bench.txt
2021-06-10 13:16:31	Tenkawa	oh only tests cpu
2021-06-10 13:16:35	Tenkawa	no disk io
2021-06-10 13:16:38	Tenkawa	darn
2021-06-10 13:17:10	Tenkawa	I just did a major disk io change on a CM4 and want to see its real world diff
2021-06-10 13:17:19	iobus	@Tenkawa it's for my academic project I asked for volunteers; it's only about ECC vs RSA on openssl for TLS/SSL
2021-06-10 13:17:35	Tenkawa	lets see how it runs on this i7
2021-06-10 13:17:38	Tenkawa	hhehe
2021-06-10 13:17:47	Tenkawa	just a sec
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2021-06-10 13:18:12	Tenkawa	I need the x86 equiv
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2021-06-10 13:18:21	iobus	@Tenkawa i'm interested in the data if you can share it with pastebin
2021-06-10 13:18:26	Tenkawa	sure
2021-06-10 13:18:52	Tenkawa	oh nm.. i see you have it commented out (the pi bits)
2021-06-10 13:18:54	Tenkawa	good
2021-06-10 13:19:07	Tenkawa	just a sec
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2021-06-10 13:26:41	Tenkawa	which test is the one i should focus in on ?
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2021-06-10 13:27:22	iobus	ecdsa nistp256 vs rsa
2021-06-10 13:27:46	Tenkawa	ok let me look
2021-06-10 13:30:14	Tenkawa	ok.. lets see
2021-06-10 13:31:55	Tenkawa	8493 and 8554 were 2 of the most recent runs
2021-06-10 13:32:31	Tenkawa	here;s those + the verify line
2021-06-10 13:32:33	Tenkawa	Doing 256 bits sign ecdsa's for 10s: 8493 256 bits ECDSA signs in 9.97s
2021-06-10 13:32:33	Tenkawa	Doing 256 bits verify ecdsa's for 10s: 8797 256 bits ECDSA verify in 9.98s
2021-06-10 13:32:33	Tenkawa	Doing 256 bits sign ecdsa's for 10s: 8554 256 bits ECDSA signs in 9.98s
2021-06-10 13:33:02	Tenkawa	let me try to find nistp256
2021-06-10 13:33:42	Tenkawa	256 bits ecdsa (nistp256)   0.0001s   0.0002s  14571.1   4952.2
2021-06-10 13:35:58	iobus	hmmm okay
2021-06-10 13:37:06	Tenkawa	https://paste.debian.net/1200754/
2021-06-10 13:37:20	iobus	@Tenkawa thanks
2021-06-10 13:37:37	Tenkawa	let me know if you need anymore info
2021-06-10 13:38:08	py_crash	iobus when my ryzen finish compiling I could send you a comparison
2021-06-10 13:38:31	py_crash	(I'm compiling webengine so it's going to take a while)
2021-06-10 13:38:50	Tenkawa	my machine is also hurting too so I wouldnt be surprised if its numbers weren't very good
2021-06-10 13:38:57	iobus	@Tenkawa
2021-06-10 13:39:12	Reedy	I'm running it on an arch box now
2021-06-10 13:39:17	Tenkawa	"it ran into some hardware issues a few days ago*
2021-06-10 13:39:47	iobus	@Tenkawa it's okay, It wasn't a magical number, the CPU doesn't have direct ECC and RSA instructions
2021-06-10 13:40:21	Tenkawa	that is indeed true
2021-06-10 13:40:31	Tenkawa	not on this machine
2021-06-10 13:40:47	Tenkawa	it might be fast.. but not server class
2021-06-10 13:40:50	iobus	@Tenkawa the big difference was in my RPi 1; where rsa 4096 and 8192 was about 1.5/s
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2021-06-10 13:41:06	Tenkawa	heheh I hear ya
2021-06-10 13:41:19	iobus	@Tenkawa the focus is on RPi but I will include one amd64 machine
2021-06-10 13:41:45	Tenkawa	I would like to do a io perf test between the now emmc on my CM4 and PCI-E NVMe I have hooked up to it now
2021-06-10 13:41:53	Tenkawa	on its io board
2021-06-10 13:41:54	Tenkawa	heheh
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2021-06-10 13:42:48	Tenkawa	/dev/mmcblk0:
2021-06-10 13:42:48	Tenkawa	 Timing buffered disk reads: 250 MB in  3.01 seconds =  83.10 MB/sec
2021-06-10 13:42:48	Tenkawa	/dev/nvme0n1:
2021-06-10 13:42:48	Tenkawa	 Timing buffered disk reads: 1220 MB in  3.00 seconds = 406.51 MB/sec
2021-06-10 13:43:01	Tenkawa	thats the hdparm diff
2021-06-10 13:44:15	iobus	@Tenkawa I noticed the system is taking a 1s to connect to an "TLS/HTTPS sensors service" on LAN/WiFi; so it was from the TLS handshake RSA; so now I made it ECC-based and I will write about it in the rapport
2021-06-10 13:44:31	Tenkawa	ah
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2021-06-10 13:50:32	Reedy	iobus: https://pastebin.com/XeXauaSy from an arch rpi 4
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2021-06-10 13:51:54	iobus	@Reedy weird, recent OpenSSL but not 8k on nistp256:  256 bits ecdsa (nistp256)   0.0002s   0.0006s   4290.8   1570.1
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2021-06-10 13:56:47	iobus	@Reedy @py_crash you two have the same chip but different CPU flags
2021-06-10 13:57:15	py_crash	I have hw acceleration activated, maybe is that
2021-06-10 13:57:59	iobus	@py_crash what configuration did add for hw acc?
2021-06-10 13:58:26	py_crash	Wait a bit
2021-06-10 13:59:01	py_crash	# Enable Hardware Acceleration needed for jellyfin
2021-06-10 13:59:02	py_crash	gpu_mem=320
2021-06-10 13:59:02	py_crash	dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d-pi4
2021-06-10 13:59:02	py_crash	hdmi_enable_4kp60=1
2021-06-10 13:59:49	py_crash	That is in usercfg.txt from my ubuntu /boot/firmware partition
2021-06-10 14:00:21	iobus	@py_crash yeah that 8k is interesting
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2021-06-10 16:06:22	nickgaw	Hi, What are the purposes of the overlay and the gl driver in raspi-config?
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2021-06-10 16:13:03	nickgaw	I have the raspberry pi 3b and turned on the fan on GPIO pin 14 but as no fan exists natively is there one I can buy that works with the original raspberry pi case for the model 3b?
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2021-06-10 16:16:57	nickgaw	Do USB microphones work with the raspberry pi like ones that work under windows and mac and linux on a desktop system?
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2021-06-10 16:17:42	Chunkyz-RPi	nickgaw: if it's got the 'drivers' then sure.
2021-06-10 16:18:30	nickgaw	Are there small fans you can buy that you just pop on to the raspberry pi and they turn on like raspi-config says they will?
2021-06-10 16:19:02	Chunkyz-RPi	official case fan for the rpi4, yes. no idea about 3/3B+
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2021-06-10 16:21:10	nickgaw	So that option is not for the earlier models then?
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2021-06-10 16:21:18	Chunkyz-RPi	indeed.
2021-06-10 16:21:25	Chunkyz-RPi	afaik anyway
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2021-06-10 16:21:46	Chunkyz-RPi	earlier models didn't get hotter than the rpi4.
2021-06-10 16:22:00	nickgaw	What is the purpose of the open GL driver at the full setting in raspi-config?
2021-06-10 16:22:01	Chunkyz-RPi	rpi4 you _need_ a fan/heatsink
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2021-06-10 16:22:20	Chunkyz-RPi	video driver nickgaw
2021-06-10 16:23:06	Chunkyz-RPi	there will be (not sure if there is now) an option for KMS, but that's beta still iirc
2021-06-10 16:24:21	nickgaw	If I am using my model 3b for just text console and minimum graphical desktop use should upgrading to the model 4b or 400 get it any hotter and will it be faster?
2021-06-10 16:25:12	Tenkawa	the 400 runs super cool
2021-06-10 16:25:21	Chunkyz-RPi	of course it will perform better. lol
2021-06-10 16:26:01	Chunkyz-RPi	Tenkawa: the heatsink in the 400 is good, I just don't like the idea of the keyboard...
2021-06-10 16:26:13	nickgaw	Will the 4b get hotter then the 3b gets if I just use it for text based things like mud servers and text games?
2021-06-10 16:26:18	Chunkyz-RPi	release _WITHOUT_ the keyboard, kthx! :-D
2021-06-10 16:26:29	Chunkyz-RPi	nickgaw: yes!
2021-06-10 16:26:55	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: I do.. always nice just in case you need one in a urgencyy
2021-06-10 16:27:02	nickgaw	So if I wanted to buy the 4b with a fan case do sellers sell it like this?
2021-06-10 16:27:24	Chunkyz-RPi	sure nickgaw, check your local supplier.
2021-06-10 16:27:36	Tenkawa	the 4b with fan case is nice if you are ok with a bit of whne
2021-06-10 16:27:39	Tenkawa	er whine
2021-06-10 16:27:55	Chunkyz-RPi	or get the fanshim = more or less silent.
2021-06-10 16:28:00	Tenkawa	yeah
2021-06-10 16:28:03	Chunkyz-RPi	how're you cooling your cm4, Tenkawa ?
2021-06-10 16:28:10	Tenkawa	those are just so hard to find right now
2021-06-10 16:28:24	nickgaw	Yes as I myself am totally blind and so would like some noise as to what is going on can you have the fan pulse on and off like threw cron if you want to do that for tasks?
2021-06-10 16:28:28	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: open air and room fans
2021-06-10 16:28:55	Chunkyz-RPi	Tenkawa: temps are good?
2021-06-10 16:28:55	Tenkawa	nickgaw: it has pwm on/off
2021-06-10 16:29:03	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: yep
2021-06-10 16:29:24	Tenkawa	nickgaw: it turns on and off very nicely
2021-06-10 16:29:25	Chunkyz-RPi	I can get the cm4 easily, it's just the io board I can't
2021-06-10 16:29:41	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: yeah for about 2 weeks I was having that problem
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2021-06-10 16:30:15	Tenkawa	nickgaw: I had 5 of them running at one time
2021-06-10 16:30:31	Tenkawa	you could hear them stop start.. over and over
2021-06-10 16:30:41	nickgaw	In order to flash the cm4 board if I already own a raspberry pi can I use it to do the flash or do I still need the special board?
2021-06-10 16:31:09	Tenkawa	you need an io board of some type I believe
2021-06-10 16:31:21	Tenkawa	although I am not 100% positive
2021-06-10 16:31:41	Tenkawa	they are made to be embedded into ome other piece of io
2021-06-10 16:32:29	nickgaw	Is the fan in the raspberry pi 4b case if you buy it with that option controlable with the raspi-config tool and is the board easy to install into the fan case?
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2021-06-10 16:33:11	Tenkawa	its part of the top lid yes
2021-06-10 16:33:27	Tenkawa	a piece of plastic that snaps in
2021-06-10 16:33:38	nickgaw	So the fan is part of the case so I need to buy the fan case and not just the normal case?
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2021-06-10 16:33:52	Tenkawa	no.. it fits in a normal case
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2021-06-10 16:33:58	Tenkawa	its an insert
2021-06-10 16:34:17	nickgaw	Is it easy to install and once installed can scripts control the fan?
2021-06-10 16:34:36	Tenkawa	https://www.raspberrypi.org/products/raspberry-pi-4-case-fan/
2021-06-10 16:34:40	Tenkawa	yes very
2021-06-10 16:35:51	Tenkawa	one package in the system, one line it adds to /boot/config.txt and one config file it adds to /etc
2021-06-10 16:36:32	nickgaw	Do you own a model 4b?
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2021-06-10 16:37:05	Tenkawa	as I just said I have 5 of them
2021-06-10 16:37:31	nickgaw	What is the largest sized micro SD card you have used in it?
2021-06-10 16:37:39	Tenkawa	256gb
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2021-06-10 16:38:40	nickgaw	Are the 64 bit images around for normal download not using the raspberry pi image tool as that is not accessible with any screen reader?
2021-06-10 16:38:58	Tenkawa	no
2021-06-10 16:39:13	Tenkawa	they are purely beta manual downloads
2021-06-10 16:39:43	nickgaw	Yes but is there no web page I can go to to just download them with a normal web browser?
2021-06-10 16:39:53	craigevil	yes
2021-06-10 16:40:03	Tenkawa	yeah I thought so too
2021-06-10 16:40:12	Tenkawa	just not in the app
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2021-06-10 16:40:46	craigevil	https://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspios_arm64/images/
2021-06-10 16:41:06	nickgaw	So as I normally use open source imaging tools to flash my SD cards should I just search for 64 bit images for the 4b?
2021-06-10 16:41:10	craigevil	download then use imager or etcher
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2021-06-10 16:43:43	Chunkyz-RPi	with the official IO board Tenkawa, how do you use a m2 ssd? do you need to buy an addon?
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2021-06-10 16:44:14	Tenkawa	yes.. I am using...
2021-06-10 16:44:15	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: you just need a normal pci-e adapter board, same as making it work in a desktop case
2021-06-10 16:44:19	Tenkawa	(let me get model..)
2021-06-10 16:44:34	clever	and it has to have a 1x pcie edge
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2021-06-10 16:44:52	Chunkyz-RPi	I'll have to look into getting one.
2021-06-10 16:44:52	nickgaw	Are you talking about the cm4 model?
2021-06-10 16:44:56	Chunkyz-RPi	yes.
2021-06-10 16:45:31	nickgaw	Does anyone here have one?
2021-06-10 16:45:45	Chunkyz-RPi	Tenkawa does.
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2021-06-10 16:47:06	nickgaw	How easy is it to install into the development board as looking at the directions it is just a sliding in and out and is there a switch on the board you set so it can be flashed?
2021-06-10 16:48:36	Tenkawa	mzhou B082D6RF6S
2021-06-10 16:48:41	Tenkawa	from amazon
2021-06-10 16:49:31	Tenkawa	very easy
2021-06-10 16:50:41	nickgaw	So no soldering on the development board is it like a switch or how do you change the setting between flashing and running mode and if it is on running mode can you run the development board like a normal raspberry pi connected to your computer or a power source?
2021-06-10 16:51:14	Chunkyz-RPi	Tenkawa: didn't you have trouble flashing yours?
2021-06-10 16:51:37	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: only because there was poor documentation
2021-06-10 16:51:45	Chunkyz-RPi	oh ;-P
2021-06-10 16:52:07	Tenkawa	once clever told me to use a different procedure to use it became easy
2021-06-10 16:52:30	Tenkawa	nickgaw: its a jumper
2021-06-10 16:52:48	Tenkawa	nickgaw: I have it connected to a power supply
2021-06-10 16:53:17	clever	something else i didnt mention yesterday
2021-06-10 16:53:29	clever	the official msd/start4.elf has some bottlenecks
2021-06-10 16:53:36	clever	it cant write to the emmc at full speed, and it cant write to nvme at all?
2021-06-10 16:54:00	clever	https://github.com/librerpi/rpi-tools/blob/master/nix/msd.nix#L18-L22
2021-06-10 16:54:23	clever	this is a kernel+initrd set i made recently, that you could maybe boot over rpiboot (same as rpiboot -d msd)
2021-06-10 16:54:40	clever	i did confirm it can share the SD card faster then msd/start4.elf
2021-06-10 16:54:57	clever	and if you change line 18/19 to nvme instead, you can then re-flash the nvme over usb, the same way
2021-06-10 16:55:42	Tenkawa	clever: I don't mind using a partition on the emmc to boot
2021-06-10 16:55:45	Tenkawa	its safer
2021-06-10 16:55:45	clever	so you just install the jumper, run `rpiboot -d nix-msd`, and then within ~30 seconds, youll have a /dev/sda exposing the nvme drive in the CM4
2021-06-10 16:56:48	clever	i could even modify it to do everything at once
2021-06-10 16:56:55	Tenkawa	right now the emmc provides boot and swap
2021-06-10 16:56:57	clever	sda is emmc, sdb is nvme, sdc is the eeprom!
2021-06-10 16:57:09	Tenkawa	this way I leave the high speed io for root
2021-06-10 16:57:38	Tenkawa	and greatly simpifies things
2021-06-10 16:57:55	clever	if /boot is on nvme, then you can also use a lite cm4 instead
2021-06-10 16:58:14	Tenkawa	yeah.. I wish I wouldve been able to get one at the time
2021-06-10 16:58:25	Tenkawa	they were out of stock at that time
2021-06-10 16:58:34	Tenkawa	I barely got this one
2021-06-10 16:58:51	nickgaw	What size is your cm4 model?
2021-06-10 16:58:59	Tenkawa	32gb
2021-06-10 16:59:15	Tenkawa	only one they had in stock
2021-06-10 16:59:33	nickgaw	Is the jumper included and is it a put on and take off or a switch you flip on the development board between flashing and running?
2021-06-10 16:59:36	Chunkyz-RPi	wouldn't the emmc be faster than nvme?
2021-06-10 16:59:39	Chunkyz-RPi	curious.
2021-06-10 16:59:48	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: nowhere near
2021-06-10 16:59:50	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: the emmc is an 8bit bus, running at 50mhz DDR
2021-06-10 16:59:55	clever	so 100mbyte/sec max
2021-06-10 17:00:02	Tenkawa	the nvme is on native pcie
2021-06-10 17:00:03	clever	Tenkawa: i think you got 320mbyte/sec off of nvme?
2021-06-10 17:00:16	Tenkawa	clever: I'm going to show him the speeds now
2021-06-10 17:00:16	Chunkyz-RPi	that doesn't sound good at all.
2021-06-10 17:00:42	Tenkawa	nickgaw: if you get rpi's board the jumper is not included
2021-06-10 17:00:44	Chunkyz-RPi	NVMe's are expensive as hell though
2021-06-10 17:01:10	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: not really
2021-06-10 17:01:12	nickgaw	So I have to buy the jumper to put on the development board and is it a put on and take off system?
2021-06-10 17:01:26	Tenkawa	I only paid 60$ I think for this 256 gb one
2021-06-10 17:01:29	clever	nickgaw: with the jumper missing, the CM4 will boot pretty much like a pi4, it executes the bootcode.bin on the internal SPI flash, and does whatever bootconf.txt says to do
2021-06-10 17:01:38	Chunkyz-RPi	Tenkawa: 2TB NVMe, can you afford it? lol
2021-06-10 17:01:49	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: I have no need for it
2021-06-10 17:01:57	clever	nickgaw: i have dozens of jumpers left-over from my motherboards and pata hdd's
2021-06-10 17:01:57	Encrypt	What would be the advantage to have an NVME on a Pi?
2021-06-10 17:02:02	Chunkyz-RPi	then don't say not really lol
2021-06-10 17:02:05	Tenkawa	Encrypt: speed
2021-06-10 17:02:14	Encrypt	If you use it as a desktop computer I guess
2021-06-10 17:02:15	clever	Encrypt: speed, reliability, size
2021-06-10 17:02:16	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: for me... yes really
2021-06-10 17:02:26	Chunkyz-RPi	for _you_
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2021-06-10 17:02:27	Chunkyz-RPi	:-)
2021-06-10 17:02:33	Tenkawa	/dev/mmcblk0:
2021-06-10 17:02:33	Tenkawa	 Timing buffered disk reads: 250 MB in  3.01 seconds =  83.07 MB/sec
2021-06-10 17:02:33	Tenkawa	/dev/nvme0n1:
2021-06-10 17:02:33	Tenkawa	 Timing buffered disk reads: 1220 MB in  3.00 seconds = 406.39 MB/sec
2021-06-10 17:02:40	Tenkawa	dramatic speed difference
2021-06-10 17:02:43	clever	Encrypt: you can get nvme drives up to 1tb i believe, and nvme is far less likely to die then sd, though i would expect emmc to be better then sd too
2021-06-10 17:02:53	Encrypt	Right
2021-06-10 17:03:03	Encrypt	I forgot that it's a kind of SSD
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2021-06-10 17:03:11	Encrypt	The world goes too fast
2021-06-10 17:03:15	Encrypt	:P
2021-06-10 17:03:26	Tenkawa	and this isnt even a "high dollar" nvme
2021-06-10 17:03:29	clever	Encrypt: if your using an emmc CM4, your limited in size to what the vendor stocks and RPF produces
2021-06-10 17:03:32	nickgaw	So the cm4 device has up to a 32 gig EMMC storage and nothing else to store on right?
2021-06-10 17:03:37	clever	and if you use the lite CM4, i think you loose half the bus width
2021-06-10 17:03:52	Encrypt	clever, And if it dies, you're screwed
2021-06-10 17:03:54	clever	nickgaw: there is also 512kbyte of spi flash for the firmware, but that doesnt really count
2021-06-10 17:04:19	Tenkawa	nickgaw: I think 32gb is the biggest emmc they make so far
2021-06-10 17:04:23	Tenkawa	for it
2021-06-10 17:04:23	nickgaw	Is that flashable with user tools or is it preflashed when I get it?
2021-06-10 17:04:35	clever	nickgaw: it can be reflashed over usb
2021-06-10 17:04:48	clever	when you install the nRPIBOOT jumper on the pcb, the SPI flash is temporarily disabled
2021-06-10 17:04:50	Tenkawa	mine is running a custom os
2021-06-10 17:04:56	clever	you can then load a recovery.bin over usb, and re-flash it
2021-06-10 17:05:13	nickgaw	Will it come flashed already?
2021-06-10 17:05:20	clever	yep
2021-06-10 17:05:46	nickgaw	So the only thing I need to deal with is the 32 gigs of EMMC memory?
2021-06-10 17:05:53	clever	yeah
2021-06-10 17:06:32	nickgaw	That is what I thought so just buy the jumper and the cm4 and a development board and I am good to go with messing around with it?
2021-06-10 17:06:32	Chunkyz-RPi	wait clever the eMMC versions come pre-flashed?
2021-06-10 17:06:41	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: only the 512kb eeprom is flashed
2021-06-10 17:06:50	Chunkyz-RPi	oh
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2021-06-10 17:07:10	clever	nickgaw: yeah
2021-06-10 17:07:28	Chunkyz-RPi	I keep checking if the io board is in stock lol
2021-06-10 17:07:29	clever	nickgaw: and a usb micro cable, that can actually do data
2021-06-10 17:07:38	clever	that usb cable is used to flash everything
2021-06-10 17:07:42	nickgaw	If I leave the jumper on will the cm4 boot normally or into flashing mode?
2021-06-10 17:07:52	clever	nickgaw: the jumper forces it into flashing mode
2021-06-10 17:08:20	Chunkyz-RPi	clever: got a picture or amazon uk link for the jumper? I don't know what they are or have one.
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2021-06-10 17:08:50	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/9044
2021-06-10 17:09:07	clever	2nd picture gives some scale to it
2021-06-10 17:09:10	nickgaw	So for just flashing one image on to the cm4 can I use a development board and a cm4 model and the jumper or can I connect the USB cable to the cm4 directly and flash without a jumper?
2021-06-10 17:09:29	clever	nickgaw: you need the cm4io board to connect anything to the cm4
2021-06-10 17:09:37	Chunkyz-RPi	thanks, I'll have to order one.
2021-06-10 17:09:49	nickgaw	yes understandable but what about the jumper>?
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2021-06-10 17:10:02	clever	nickgaw: the jumper goes on the cm4io board
2021-06-10 17:10:36	clever	nickgaw: https://www.jeffgeerling.com/sites/default/files/images/j2-emmc-jumper.jpeg
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2021-06-10 17:10:44	clever	like that
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2021-06-10 17:11:14	nickgaw	How do you tell the board you want to flash the 512 KB rom or the EMMC rom and what is the main difference in the two roms like how many times can you write to them?
2021-06-10 17:11:29	clever	nickgaw: thats based on how you run rpiboot on the other machine
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2021-06-10 17:11:52	clever	`rpiboot -d recovery` to reflash the 512kb chip, `rpiboot -d msd` to reflash the emmc
2021-06-10 17:12:01	clever	https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2020/how-flash-raspberry-pi-os-compute-module-4-emmc-usbboot
2021-06-10 17:12:06	nickgaw	ok as the flashing directions on the wiki don't say much about that?
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2021-06-10 17:14:04	nickgaw	Looking at the specs it looks like it is modeled after the raspberry pi model 4b and not the 400 right?
2021-06-10 17:14:39	Chunkyz-RPi	yeah
2021-06-10 17:14:40	clever	nickgaw: i believe the pi400 and cm4 are both using the bcm2711C0, which has lower power usage when idle
2021-06-10 17:15:00	clever	while the pi4 is using either bcm2711B0 or bcm2711B1, which has higher power usage when idle
2021-06-10 17:15:29	clever	other then some minor bugs, all 3 should function identically
2021-06-10 17:15:51	Chunkyz-RPi	clever: what can you overclock the cm4/400 to?
2021-06-10 17:15:52	clever	the official kernel already works around the bugs correctly
2021-06-10 17:16:04	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: ive seen people getting 2.3 and 2.4ghz
2021-06-10 17:16:08	Chunkyz-RPi	damn
2021-06-10 17:16:53	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: the C0 stepping of the cpu was so good at reducing heat, that it exposed firmware bugs!
2021-06-10 17:17:03	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: the firmware stored the clock speed in Hz, as a 32bit signed int
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2021-06-10 17:17:13	nickgaw	Can you type GHZ into the over clocking lines or does it still need to be in MHZ?
2021-06-10 17:17:29	clever	nickgaw: it only accepts mhz
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2021-06-10 17:17:33	Chunkyz-RPi	sounds fun clever xD
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2021-06-10 17:17:41	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: due to using a 32bit signed int, it maxed out at 2.147ghz
2021-06-10 17:17:51	clever	if you tried to enter a bigger number, it would fail to parse it
2021-06-10 17:17:56	nickgaw	Why then does my model 3b always freeze when I try to over clock it to any setting?
2021-06-10 17:18:11	clever	nickgaw: because not every pi can be overclocked
2021-06-10 17:18:13	Chunkyz-RPi	nickgaw: could be your PS.
2021-06-10 17:18:18	Chunkyz-RPi	PSU*
2021-06-10 17:18:24	Chunkyz-RPi	a lot of things, it could be.
2021-06-10 17:18:29	clever	the default clocks, are garanteed to work on every single unit
2021-06-10 17:18:31	clever	anything more, is just luck
2021-06-10 17:18:49	nickgaw	Should I set the over volting lines?
2021-06-10 17:18:59	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: but it wasnt until the pi400 came out, that clocks over 2.147ghz became stable, and that firmware bug was discovered
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2021-06-10 17:19:29	clever	nickgaw: for a given voltage, there is a max clock speed, and only by increasing the voltage can you go faster
2021-06-10 17:19:37	clever	nickgaw: but a higher voltage also means running hotter, and potentially damaging the chip
2021-06-10 17:19:52	Chunkyz-RPi	clever: nice; I can't go over 2ghz. well... I did 2.1ghz but a stress test passed but rebooted loading firefox lol
2021-06-10 17:20:25	nickgaw	At the default setting what is the maximum clocking I can get?
2021-06-10 17:21:18	clever	nickgaw: i forget, but you can query it under /sys, i think it was something like `find /sys | grep scaling_available_frequencies
2021-06-10 17:21:23	Chunkyz-RPi	2ghz is plenty fast for me though.
2021-06-10 17:21:29	clever	check the file that that returns
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2021-06-10 17:26:37	nickgaw	it was in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/scaling_available_frequencies
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2021-06-10 17:27:45	nickgaw	the highest number in there is 1200000 so what does this mean?
2021-06-10 17:28:49	clever	nickgaw: it will run up to 1.2ghz
2021-06-10 17:29:16	Chunkyz-RPi	clever: -bash: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/scaling_available_frequencies: Permission denied
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2021-06-10 17:29:25	Chunkyz-RPi	ran as root/sudo
2021-06-10 17:29:33	clever	Chunkyz-RPi: you have to run cat on the file
2021-06-10 17:29:55	clever	there should also be a directory in there, i think it was called stats? `ls /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/stats/` ?
2021-06-10 17:29:56	Chunkyz-RPi	nice, I'm dumb xD 2000000
2021-06-10 17:31:01	 *	Tenkawa prefers installing cpufrequtils and doing this:
2021-06-10 17:31:03	Tenkawa	 sudo cpufreq-info -f -m
2021-06-10 17:31:03	Tenkawa	1.30 GHz
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2021-06-10 17:31:35	clever	Tenkawa: what files are in your stats dir?
2021-06-10 17:31:42	Chunkyz-RPi	1.3?
2021-06-10 17:31:50	Tenkawa	just a sec
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2021-06-10 17:32:15	Tenkawa	reset  time_in_state  total_trans  trans_table
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2021-06-10 17:32:40	clever	cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq/policy0/stats/time_in_state
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2021-06-10 17:32:49	Tenkawa	Chunkyz-RPi: I'm in ondemand
2021-06-10 17:32:50	clever	that will tell you how many seconds it has spent in each freq
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2021-06-10 17:33:02	Tenkawa	so my freq is running very low
2021-06-10 17:33:02	clever	so you can see where ondemand is hovering around
2021-06-10 17:33:21	Tenkawa	cpufreq stats: 600 MHz:98.64%, 700 MHz:0.17%, 800 MHz:0.04%, 900 MHz:0.06%, 1000 MHz:0.07%, 1.10 GHz:0.04%, 1.20 GHz:0.03%, 1.30 GHz:0.03%, 1.40 GHz:0.03%, 1.50 GHz:0.03%, 1.60 GHz:0.06%, 1.70 GHz:0.03%, 1.80 GHz:0.04%, 1.90 GHz:0.02%, 2.00 GHz:0.69%
2021-06-10 17:33:29	Tenkawa	thats the human readab;e
2021-06-10 17:33:32	Tenkawa	er readable
2021-06-10 17:33:57	clever	looks like you idle at 600mhz, and can boost up to 2ghz
2021-06-10 17:34:01	Tenkawa	yep
2021-06-10 17:34:14	Tenkawa	this is my argon40 unit
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2021-06-10 17:34:28	Tenkawa	I have it set to be able to make huge swings as needed
2021-06-10 17:34:43	Chunkyz-RPi	time in state for me: 2000000 628832
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2021-06-10 17:41:32	nickgaw	After setting over_volt=6 and oarm_freq=1200000 on my 3b the device is frozen so what option killed it and yes I do have a backup of config.txt?
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2021-06-10 17:43:00	Chunkyz-RPi	lmao
2021-06-10 17:43:27	Tenkawa	arm_freq is too high
2021-06-10 17:43:34	Tenkawa	it needs to be in mhz
2021-06-10 17:43:50	Chunkyz-RPi	so 2ghz = arm_freq=2000
2021-06-10 17:43:52	Tenkawa	ie 2000
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2021-06-10 17:44:02	Tenkawa	what Chunkyz-RPi said
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2021-06-10 17:44:17	Chunkyz-RPi	and it's 'over_voltage=6'
2021-06-10 17:44:33	Tenkawa	ahh missed that
2021-06-10 17:44:38	Chunkyz-RPi	you trying to blow up your 3b? :-D
2021-06-10 17:44:39	Chunkyz-RPi	lol
2021-06-10 17:44:41	Tenkawa	wasn't looking
2021-06-10 17:44:54	Tenkawa	(need food soon.. getting tired)
2021-06-10 17:45:09	Chunkyz-RPi	11pm here
2021-06-10 17:45:15	nickgaw	I want it to run the fastest and hottest it can so what settings should I set?
2021-06-10 17:45:36	Chunkyz-RPi	why?
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2021-06-10 17:49:42	nickgaw	So I can get the maximum power out of it is that bad?
2021-06-10 17:50:05	clever	nickgaw: you want to run it as cool as possible, for a given clock
2021-06-10 17:50:50	nickgaw	As it freezes at 200000 MHZ what is the highest it can be over clocked to?
2021-06-10 17:51:13	clever	depends on what voltage you set it to, and how lucky you got with your silicon
2021-06-10 17:51:42	clever	200,000 MHZ is also 200ghz
2021-06-10 17:51:49	nickgaw	If I am at 6 over_voltage how fast can I get it?
2021-06-10 17:51:51	clever	thats an absurd speed!
2021-06-10 17:51:56	clever	> and how lucky you got with your silicon
2021-06-10 17:52:05	clever	every chip gets different speeds
2021-06-10 17:52:22	nickgaw	What is the fastest you have heard the 3b running at?
2021-06-10 17:52:29	clever	dont remember
2021-06-10 17:52:52	nickgaw	So 200000 is to fast then how about 20000?
2021-06-10 17:53:13	clever	thats 20 ghz, still insane
2021-06-10 17:53:33	nickgaw	What about 2000?
2021-06-10 17:53:44	clever	thats 2ghz, it might work, depends on luck and voltage
2021-06-10 17:54:57	Syliss_	just try it till it pops
2021-06-10 17:55:28	nickgaw	Are there safe guards from totally cooking it?
2021-06-10 17:55:50	clever	nickgaw: there is thermal throttling in place to reduce the clock when it begins to cook
2021-06-10 17:56:24	nickgaw	What is turbo mode used for and is it safe?
2021-06-10 17:56:40	clever	turbo mode just forces it to stay at a higher clock speed
2021-06-10 17:56:45	clever	you dont really need it
2021-06-10 17:57:02	Syliss_	yeah just the temp throttle, but if you put a good heat sink on it it but last longer
2021-06-10 17:57:17	nickgaw	Do they make those for the 3b?
2021-06-10 17:57:28	Syliss_	i should look and see if there are any videos of them them popping
2021-06-10 17:57:44	Syliss_	of course
2021-06-10 17:58:39	nickgaw	Holding down the left shift key does not stop the over clocking why is this?
2021-06-10 17:59:00	clever	nickgaw: i think that was a feature of noobs/pinn, which isnt in use by default
2021-06-10 17:59:30	nickgaw	How can I turn it on in the normal raspberry pi OS images or is that not possible?
2021-06-10 17:59:42	clever	not possible
2021-06-10 18:00:22	nickgaw	So 2 GHZ is the fastest my 3b might be able to get to on 6 over volting?
2021-06-10 18:00:29	clever	you can just pop the SD card into another machine and edit config.txt
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2021-06-10 18:00:46	nickgaw	yes I understand that.
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2021-06-10 18:01:12	clever	i dont know what a pi3 can reach normally, youll just need to try diff numbers and see what works
2021-06-10 18:01:28	nickgaw	Does turbo mode flip that bit in the processor still in the model 3b?
2021-06-10 18:01:42	clever	dont remember
2021-06-10 18:02:36	nickgaw	What is the purpose of the overlay file system?
2021-06-10 18:02:52	Chunkyz-RPi	nickgaw: you know Google is a thing, right?
2021-06-10 18:03:15	nickgaw	yes but if I try to search for it in raspi-config on google I get posts that don't help me.
2021-06-10 18:03:36	Chunkyz-RPi	wasn't you the dude who knew about tmpfs etc, how do you not know these things? trollin'?
2021-06-10 18:04:15	nickgaw	I know about tmp filesystems on normal linux is it no different then the raspberry pi nothing special to that chip?
2021-06-10 18:04:54	clever	nickgaw: the overlayfs stuff in raspi-config, just makes the SD card read only, but uses a tmpfs and overlayfs to fake it being writable
2021-06-10 18:04:58	Chunkyz-RPi	yeah guess you're trollin' then. I'm out. :-)
2021-06-10 18:05:11	clever	so your SD card is less likely to get corrupted by an improper shutdown
2021-06-10 18:05:28	nickgaw	no I am not just trying to find out the differences.
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2021-06-10 18:07:07	nickgaw	So can any changes be made if overlay is on or do I need to turn it off to upgrade packages?
2021-06-10 18:07:46	clever	any changes you do with the overlay enabled, are lost at shutdown
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2021-06-10 18:08:25	nickgaw	So going into raspi-config and turning it off and then rebooting it will make the card writable again then?
2021-06-10 18:08:44	clever	yeah
2021-06-10 18:08:51	nickgaw	I did not write protect /boot.
2021-06-10 18:10:03	clever	ive not tested it out myself, so i dont know exactly what its doing
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2021-06-10 18:10:26	nickgaw	Nothing important is on the SD card.
2021-06-10 18:10:55	nickgaw	I know they make cooling devices for laptops to sit on will those work with the raspberry pi model 3b in the case?
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2021-06-11 03:44:24	 *	SysGhost hopes for the upcoming raspberry pi to rock some emmc/nvme port of kind.
2021-06-11 03:44:47	SysGhost	sdcard with a running OS on it. Bad idea from the very start. ;)
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2021-06-11 06:01:21	acresearch	people, what is the best rolling distro for a raspberry pi?
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2021-06-11 06:30:02	SysGhost	^
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2021-06-11 07:20:51	n00b101	Hello.. I have a raspberry pi, I have designed a switch which with output a 3.3v to pi GPIO input pin, when this signal is received to PI, I need to print "signal received". How should I execute this approach?
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2021-06-11 08:33:53	SysGhost	n00b101: print to where? on screen?
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2021-06-11 08:36:39	SysGhost	there's a cli command: raspi-gpio
2021-06-11 08:36:54	SysGhost	See "raspi-gpio help" for more information
2021-06-11 08:43:21	SysGhost	example: raspi-gpio get 20
2021-06-11 08:43:41	SysGhost	Will get you the state of gpio 20
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2021-06-11 10:55:33	n00b101	SysGhost: yes print on screen
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2021-06-11 11:02:11	n00b101	Is that raspi-gpio?
2021-06-11 11:02:11	n00b101	Can you send any link of the repo..
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2021-06-11 19:29:44	GrandPa-G	I know how the shutdown overlay works for shutdown, but does it also work for reboot? If not, is there a way to signal an external device that reboot is occuring, other than running a program?
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2021-06-11 21:10:42	runk_knullhora	 ╰⋃╯ 屪  B==D~  （@ㅅ@） <--- titties. This message has been endorsed by the official libera.chat staff. Updaes on the rasengan situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRDRFWNLrDk
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2021-06-12 05:58:17	 *	n00b101 there's a switch which will give a 3.3v input to raspberry pi GPIO pin at a specific time, i should then print "interrupt has received" . i wrote this https://bpa.st/UJZA but it's keep on printing  "input=1" without even receiving the signal. which means there is a logical trouble in the code.
2021-06-12 05:58:25	n00b101	there's a switch which will give a 3.3v input to raspberry pi GPIO pin at a specific time, i should then print "interrupt has received" . i wrote this https://bpa.st/UJZA but it's keep on printing  "input=1" without even receiving the signal. which means there is a logical trouble in the code.
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2021-06-12 12:44:56	Corbit	Hi. Today I wanted to connect my berry to the internet. I read a tutorial for ipv6 and dyndns. Why do I still need a dyndns service? I thought the range of ipv6 adresses is so huge, that every device could be directly connected to the internet. Likewise my router, who's forwarding. Does anyone know why?
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2021-06-12 12:51:18	Reedy	If you don't have a domain you can attach the IP to... And want to use a nice text domain, rather than entering the IPv6 address to access it
2021-06-12 12:51:40	yitz	dyndns is useful when you don't have a static IP. If your ISP gives you a static IP, you don't need a dynamic DNS record. If your ISP does not promise a static IP, you may want dyndns
2021-06-12 12:53:35	Corbit	Thanks guys. But with ipv6, there should be a static IP address for everyone and more, right?
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2021-06-12 13:05:04	Reedy	In theory, yeah
2021-06-12 13:05:12	Reedy	Many ISPs don't do IPv6 yet though
2021-06-12 13:06:12	Corbit	Thanks Reedy and yitz. :)
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2021-06-12 13:10:48	Tenkawa	heheheh my ip6 dns even works.. wow
2021-06-12 13:10:53	Tenkawa	er ipv6
2021-06-12 13:11:12	Tenkawa	my isp is usualy behind on everything
2021-06-12 13:18:42	yitz	Corbit: In theory. But that doesn't mean your ISP will give you a static IP
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2021-06-12 13:19:12	yitz	Maybe they want to charge a premium for that. Or don't want to bother with writing their software to support it
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2021-06-12 21:04:38	outlawtorn	anyone running android on a pi 400
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2021-06-12 22:45:22	z1haze	anyone around?
2021-06-12 22:46:21	Snert	nope
2021-06-12 22:52:32	z1haze	dang. i guess i picked a terrible day to get my first raspberry pi and need help
2021-06-12 22:54:27	z1haze	i bought a pi today, it came with a samsund evo 64GB sd card with some NOOBS OS on it. I formatted the SD card using the SD Card Formatter from sdcard.org, and then i used the pi imager to load an iso from https://zentyal.com/community/
2021-06-12 22:55:24	z1haze	I then put the sd card in my pi, started it up, and no video signal at all. I did some research, and quite a few articles said to add a couple options to some 'config' file. related to hdmi. so i retreived my sd card, put it back in my windows machine to check out the files, and low and behold. windows does not recognize the drive anymore
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2021-06-12 22:56:22	z1haze	when through hell trying to delete the partiition and repartition and create new volume, etc. finally got it back to 'normal' an empty recognized drive. followed the same steps to add the image, but then was planning to checkout the config file before ejecting.. and the damn thing goes invisible again
2021-06-12 22:56:24	z1haze	i can't win.
2021-06-12 22:56:54	Snert	tried a different sd card?
2021-06-12 22:57:43	z1haze	i didnt. its a brand new card just pulled it from the package
2021-06-12 22:57:58	z1haze	i suspected the issue of it diappearing is now the imager is formatting the drive
2021-06-12 22:58:09	Snert	should be good but I just dont trust.
2021-06-12 22:58:44	Snert	is this a pi4 or a pi3?
2021-06-12 22:58:46	z1haze	ican try another one. i have a couple. is that normal when after you instsall an image on an sd card using the pi imager, it becomes not visible in windows naymore?
2021-06-12 22:58:53	z1haze	it is a pi4 i think
2021-06-12 22:59:08	z1haze	reading a quick start guide here.. yes pi4
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2021-06-13 04:39:57	n00b101	hi
2021-06-13 04:40:13	n00b101	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/ut7Iyk6R/
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2021-06-13 04:40:46	n00b101	i've given a 3.3v input  to GPIO 2 pin and then program says "input was HIGH".. OKAY GOOD. now even without giving that 3.3v , its still saying "INPUT WAS HIGH"
2021-06-13 04:40:46	n00b101	where it should print "Input was low"
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2021-06-13 15:44:01	--	Topic set by gordonDrogon (~gordon@watertower.drogon.net) on Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:51:50
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2021-06-13 22:40:41	nickgaw	Hi, Looking at the raspberry pi 400 it looks like it is only sold with 4 gigs of ram is that true or is there an 8 gig version?
2021-06-13 22:41:06	flyback	I believe there is a 8
2021-06-13 22:41:34	flyback	nope
2021-06-13 22:41:36	flyback	4gb is it
2021-06-13 22:42:11	nickgaw	So  then I should just buy the 4 model b if I want the most memory right?
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2021-06-13 22:46:43	nickgaw	so are they still pushing the 32 bit images and not wanting you to go with the 64 bit images even on the 8 gig of ram raspberry pi model 4b?
2021-06-13 22:50:16	clever	nickgaw: the 32bit kernel can still use the full 8gig of ram
2021-06-13 22:50:47	nickgaw	How is that as I thought 4 gigs was the limit on 32 bit systems?
2021-06-13 22:51:01	Snert	reading skills?
2021-06-13 22:51:03	stiv	that sounds like a good trick!
2021-06-13 22:51:13	clever	nickgaw: PAE i think it was called, allows 32bit virtual with >32bit physical
2021-06-13 22:51:33	clever	so each process is limited to 3gig max, but your physical ram can be over 4gig
2021-06-13 22:51:33	Snert	my eyes transpose stuff all the time
2021-06-13 22:51:40	nickgaw	Are there tests confirming that all 8 gigs can be used?
2021-06-13 22:51:56	clever	nickgaw: run `free -m` and look at how much is used
2021-06-13 22:55:37	nickgaw	I only own a model 3b what is the main differences in the a and b models?
2021-06-13 22:55:46	Snert	just buy maxram and put it in.
2021-06-13 22:55:55	Snert	and never look back
2021-06-13 22:56:38	clever	nickgaw: the a line of pi's lacks the usb hub and ethernet chip
2021-06-13 22:57:13	nickgaw	So can you connect any storage to it at all or anything else?
2021-06-13 22:57:33	clever	you can still connect anything you want, but it only has 1 usb port
2021-06-13 22:57:38	clever	so you need your own hub, if you want more then 1 device
2021-06-13 22:57:59	nickgaw	What about wireless?
2021-06-13 22:58:07	stiv	as long as your Perimeter Defense Laser has USB...
2021-06-13 22:58:14	clever	nickgaw: the A line lacks wifi
2021-06-13 22:58:35	nickgaw	Does an USB wireless adapter work?
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2021-06-13 22:58:51	clever	nickgaw: of course
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2021-06-13 22:59:53	nickgaw	So the model b is better ifI want the full system?
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2021-06-13 23:00:33	clever	nickgaw: yeah, since you get 4 usb ports and ethernet
2021-06-13 23:00:40	clever	and depending on the model#, wifi
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2021-06-13 23:04:18	nickgaw	What is the main difference in the compute modele and the new pico as they are kind of alike?
2021-06-13 23:04:42	clever	entirely different
2021-06-13 23:04:57	clever	the pico is a micro-controller, it specializes in predictable timing
2021-06-13 23:05:13	clever	the compute modules are just an rpi soc in a different board, with more of the ports exposed
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2021-06-13 23:05:47	nickgaw	So why would someone want the pico as it talks about lights and other tasks that it could be used for?
2021-06-13 23:06:22	clever	depends on what kind of lights your controlling, and what else you need to do
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2021-06-13 23:12:12	nickgaw	Do any of the add-on boards have a built in motor that can be activated like the girt board did?
2021-06-13 23:12:24	clever	dont know of any
2021-06-13 23:12:26	flyback	nickgaw, even x86 could use more than 4gb in 32 bit if it had 36 bit addressing
2021-06-13 23:12:38	flyback	it's just it was such a pain to write drivers in windows for they didn't bother
2021-06-13 23:12:44	flyback	except for some high end server versions
2021-06-13 23:12:49	flyback	linux supported it for yrs
2021-06-13 23:14:12	nickgaw	true as I know 32 bit versions of linux used pae.  So if I want a motor on an add-on board I will have to buy an old girt board or make my own?
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2021-06-13 23:21:06	flyback	probably
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2021-06-14 22:11:27	kantlivelong	this channel moving to Libera?
2021-06-14 22:11:38	Jigsy	It's already on it.
2021-06-14 22:38:45	kantlivelong	see yall there
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2021-06-15 10:13:40	pendarsoheil	EPvnn/7mgu2GZjR/LHf3JZZjmMnb7dMX44/GGzsS0rhrFlcQRb2wZ7t/ORap1NxiZjcZORk2s/A/QvxNhEjHWutRmhXpV6km9fwfES5y4uhA7z9l/K77cPt05zcmk3GM29tDp6s5zpqHay5RfEXZnm6QwqsdPBzvE4xCnYjA4HjaoRw3IB64YynyNDaeBfOMHKkMkWV2T009zY8zzAtu+FtgVLI/Op3rJMlLgjbENWQk8T4k94D/ZFan7syerKGLbGHs5Zf3m4LDveoxAEJqqwNWTWIllnPQNka4HtkRmjfIxJwt54m8MEdkc5XJf9l9e5pJJl2bGTk5GtOWfGnlbmbTbuhl4j02a/cf6zaTY2jZCHEEtnwJfHy+NpeTuH3b5RdiDZ5bxvJAuMTMnVR0o1hKvSDjsbu+zxA2pycnXCqSX5u4P9
2021-06-15 10:13:45	pendarsoheil	6WTy1Qnb58E+rem1NGk9JhhcNPaa6Ab7DF1P7J+/eXB2Vl1/bFeYsjSvLNdvw/+c3eG59tiSPl3JlxCePfB67bFnavf+FKLNxl64SJN2PbkKPGXsLGW54POoalAWVrAi84q0IDaTfNVqxFXgaQpdXRQlMWhlffxdZHgTkAX2GFyjEclrtFaa8E/Tgtjb91wceJbRBo63w7iLdK4KPMW8HdEM7Rp8y28lSQqV/hU2/lzYGnu4CON44NmjU28Ub3eAWO8BnuNpwCoc24lpB4rZ5b2M+1yNsG3txOpUJwLPww6SX17XJPXbKvCMcU43A6WMt2U3b9kW7RQg1B3I9zUBAuUK96KOpoMy7ROLaU5xcpuFERyUgWcZbyeD9DDeVjqGCeLIEBiI2mwdgowFV1YJXa4MSJsGSIqxlsBpJTnz7uDJVQmpP1
2021-06-15 10:13:50	pendarsoheil	3E2hY3B/YmvGfnWPb82Juka4jtfxSvI7b96skieXsjxNJ08X93i52oxCYjOiqx2kZj44ev/Zdy7ayNa2n+L9evSDusnF4vbNGs/p6BveZDdmZJ6sBn1UvET2Fr6lGLm7qOA7RmyYcQmqTgLnCd3KLHsC3YORqN14FrOBxvpp7B78oXJZ2KwDxnXJu2vgNjVgs32Gl6ySn5vBqV5Ex+hZtCVqBpjUobrhvs66T1XfdxaaEg8EIvCC7yHRFrILcdRWYURa2r3H+xAvnlgv4X/q6Iqy5b9jwPreH8l09VWGM3p9V7AV2dgWQ3uj76f+ysGOo5cPpGAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC
2021-06-15 10:13:56	pendarsoheil	Opps. I am sorry. I am trying to understand Pi's GPIO pull up. http://www.mosaic-industries.com/embedded-systems/_media/microcontroller-projects/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-circuit-gpio-input-pins.png
2021-06-15 10:13:59	pendarsoheil	I do not understand how if pull up is enabled the 3V3 is able to pass through the 50k resistor to the pin
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2021-06-15 10:56:12	CoJaBo-gone2libera	pendarsoheil: Freenode is pretty well shut down by this point. Join libəra chat (with a regular e lol) where everyone else went
2021-06-15 10:57:00	cyanide	you can say libera right?
2021-06-15 10:57:08	cyanide	or are the messages filtered?
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2021-06-15 10:57:54	CoJaBo-gone2libera	cyanide: People are claiming saying it has gotten them klined
2021-06-15 10:58:03	CoJaBo-gone2libera	I can't inependently conirm as much
2021-06-15 10:58:18	cyanide	yeah. would be awful to get klined here lol
2021-06-15 10:58:35	CoJaBo-gone2libera	Trying to get as many over as possible before I am
2021-06-15 10:58:49	cyanide	"It's a new genesis for a new era. Thank you for using freenode, and Hello World, from the future. freenode is IRC. freenode is FOSS. freenode is freedom." lmao
2021-06-15 10:59:15	CoJaBo-gone2libera	They banned all webchats. This is Lee Node not Free Node
2021-06-15 10:59:16	cyanide	i'm actually surprised there wasn't an announcement of a shitcoin to go with the new face
2021-06-15 11:00:16	cyanide	wonder how long before irc clients start removing this server from the default connection options
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2021-06-15 11:44:23	Armand	*Deadnode is pretty boned now.
2021-06-15 11:44:24	Armand	Yes
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2021-06-15 11:46:34	Armand	Let's try something...
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2021-06-15 11:58:10	Bitweasil	I'm going to drop here and see y'all on the ohter side too.
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2021-06-15 12:44:23	Armand	irc.libera.chat (217.182.79.119:6697)
2021-06-15 12:44:23	Armand	lol
2021-06-15 12:44:23	Armand	False assertion.
2021-06-15 12:44:23	Armand	There were a lot of issues with the initial fall-out from the VERY bad call to hijack Freenode.
2021-06-15 12:44:24	Armand	Sounds like fascist propaganda.
2021-06-15 12:44:26	Armand	Let's be blunt.. Deadnode is pretty much f'd at this point.
2021-06-15 12:44:28	Armand	I doubt it will last another 12 months, if even that long.
2021-06-15 12:46:22	jelly	one fuckup, the channels takeover, was very bad but maybe survivable
2021-06-15 12:46:49	jelly	TWO fuckups, siwtching over and losing channels and users today?  Don't think so
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2021-06-15 13:20:57	psymin	I hear that classic.freenode.net or something is the old way?
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2021-06-15 13:45:09	cyanide	there is no old way
2021-06-15 13:45:16	cyanide	only the new way. libera.chat
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2021-06-15 14:44:15	thomas25	do you think a rasp pi 4 2GB can run home multimedia center? or 2GB is too low_
2021-06-15 14:44:19	thomas25	?
2021-06-15 14:45:23	thomas25	for stuff like 1080p netflix, youtube... but i might also want to run an airplay server + eth->wifi router as well :)
2021-06-15 14:45:43	thomas25	the price gap between 2GB and 8GB is very steep here, almost lik x3
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2021-06-15 15:24:49	```	PSA: This channel's community has (mostly) moved to irc.libera.chat.
2021-06-15 15:24:57	--	``` is now known as helpful
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2021-06-15 17:20:50	Encrypt	Hello!
2021-06-15 17:21:04	Encrypt	Has the channel moved to Libera?
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2021-06-15 17:22:01	stiltr	I'm not sure it's 100% official, but I'd say yes.
2021-06-15 17:22:37	Encrypt	Freenode was great a few weeks ago...
2021-06-15 17:22:56	stiltr	Yeah...
2021-06-15 17:23:26	Encrypt	If their plan is to destroy the network, then I guess they have done a pretty good job
2021-06-15 17:24:15	Encrypt	Even gordonDrogon left
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2021-06-15 17:24:37	stiltr	Yeah, he's over on libera now.
2021-06-15 17:24:49	Encrypt	Alright
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2021-06-16 02:20:25	wwalker	I followed this page ( https://electrosome.com/hc-sr04-ultrasonic-sensor-raspberry-pi/ ).  I can put an oscope on pin 24 and see ~3.3V.  but when I check buton.is_pressed it is *almost* always low (True).  If I pull the wire off of pin 24, it floats high and checking button.is_pressed yields False like I would expect.
2021-06-16 02:20:31	wwalker	First question - what voltage range is "high" on an RPi GPIO pin? Second question - what resistance values do you recommend for the voltage divider on that page?  I tried their recommended 10K and 4.7K.  I then tried something smaller (had to tear down the setup ) that also divided to roughly 3.3 (I think it was 2.2K and 1.0K).  Both had the same problem of only rarely readin high with code (python 
2021-06-16 02:20:37	wwalker	and gpizero) even though the oscope showed that it was high for 20 ms.
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2021-06-16 08:39:49	Snert	?
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2021-06-16 08:43:28	Chris-Mouse	good moraftevening
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2021-06-16 15:59:48	escherial	hey, is there a pi zero w that has an angled male header soldered on? i don't trust my soldering skills, frankly, but my case has too little clearance to plug in jumpers into a regular header
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2021-06-16 16:18:22	stiltr	wwalker: 3.3V is the max for the GPIO pins. 4.7k and 10k is probably fine, but 5k and 10k should give you 3.3V. I haven't played with python much on the Pi, but my first thought would be to make sure you're using the correct pin. Numbering can vary a bit depending on the library.
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2021-06-16 16:22:11	stiltr	escherial: For what it's worth, all the pi zero wh's I've seen have vertical headers.
2021-06-16 16:25:18	Chris-Mouse	Except for the Pi Zeros with no headers.
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2021-06-16 16:43:42	wwalker	stiltr: Thank you!  I know it is the right pin (in the code) because if I remove the input to that pin, it floats high and the code shows False instead of True.  I also thought, and measured, that the 10/4.7 or 10/5.1 would both give close enough to 3.3.  I did measure with an Oscope, so it could have been as low as 3.2.  I'll test again tonight I think.
2021-06-16 16:44:39	stiltr	Chris-Mouse: Those aren't wh's though. ; )
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2021-06-16 16:47:35	wwalker	wow, pi zero - $5, pi zero wh - $14.  I'll solder my own headers :-)
2021-06-16 16:47:41	stiltr	wwalker: No worries! I'd shoot for lower than higher. I'm not sure at what point you'd damage the pin, but anything higher than ~2V will count as high.
2021-06-16 16:50:51	stiltr	It's a bit of a strange way to do it, but my understanding is the zero/0w is supposed to be limited one per customer and the wh is as many as you want. It's not always enforced, but that's the general idea. They're not making money on the w's, since they're more for "personal use".
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2021-06-16 18:36:05	escherial	stiltr: i've been noticing the same...maybe it's time to just bite the bullet and solder the thing
2021-06-16 18:36:24	escherial	i tried those no-solder headers that are supposed to be held in with resistance, but the connection was patchy at best
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2021-06-16 18:46:55	stiltr	escherial: Probably the best option. You may be able to pick up some scrap pcbs on ebay or similar if you want to brush up on your soldering first.
2021-06-16 18:47:18	stiltr	I've not used the no-solder headers before. Sounds interesting.
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2021-06-16 18:49:07	escherial	this is the thing if you're curious (not endorsing it, since it didn't work out so great for me): https://shop.pimoroni.com/products/gpio-hammer-header?variant=35643318026
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2021-06-16 18:49:22	escherial	frankly it's probably on me; i probably messed something up
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2021-06-17 10:57:22	P-NuT	Hi all
2021-06-17 10:58:09	P-NuT	I seem to have balls-ed up my /etc/rc.local file and can't find the file online. Could anyone paste me theres? 
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2021-06-17 11:41:28	ericnoan	Leave Freenode, it is dead
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2021-06-17 14:42:24	DoctorD90	why freenode is dead? what has going on??
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2021-06-17 16:21:55	sparky	P-NuT: you still need an /etc/rc.local ?
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2021-06-17 23:58:13	ironpillow	Hi all, I have api like this: /api/login (POST) { "login": {"username":"xx", "password": "xx", "sessid": "123456"}} - according to docs sessid is cookie
2021-06-17 23:58:20	ironpillow	when I do that post request, I am getting a success. But then I do: /api/logout (POST) {"logout": {"sessid":"123456"}}, I am getting this: {"redirect_url": "/login.html"}
2021-06-17 23:58:26	ironpillow	I don't know what I am missing
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2021-06-18 00:15:39	cp-	is this channel moving to libera / 
2021-06-18 00:15:42	cp-	? 
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2021-06-18 02:27:01	snape	cp-: Yes, #raspberrypi moved to Libera.
2021-06-18 02:27:30	cp-	thanks 
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2021-06-18 18:49:49	Jinx	heh... no hopes of regaining ops here any time soon; are all 284 of you in the running to regain control? :D
2021-06-18 18:50:07	Jinx	hopefully the Libera channel will get "blessed" by the Pi foundation in time
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