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2021-06-13 15:44:01	--	Topic for #linux is "Linux talk - the best kernel in the world! | Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS"
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2021-06-13 16:00:21	sharp_	dukenukem3d, it's a HP Raid1
2021-06-13 16:00:43	sharp_	I added /dev/sdb and that works
2021-06-13 16:00:51	sharp_	thanks for the tips
2021-06-13 16:01:33	+oxek	sharp_: keep in mind that /dev/sdb can change between system reboots, and in case of external devices on every reconnect
2021-06-13 16:01:44	+oxek	that's why UUID/PARTUUID are preferable
2021-06-13 16:01:57	dukenukem3d	hope i could give ideas!
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2021-06-13 16:02:15	+oxek	sharp_: ideally you'd have some logs instead of "at boot it fails with some driver something" :)
2021-06-13 16:02:20	sharp_	oxek I thought it only changes IF filesystem is changed
2021-06-13 16:02:22	sharp_	not at reboots
2021-06-13 16:02:43	sharp_	I will post the logs later when I get home
2021-06-13 16:02:47	+oxek	sharp_: it can change at reboots, e.g. if you insert a new usb stick
2021-06-13 16:02:59	sharp_	oxek, I didn't know that; are you sure?
2021-06-13 16:03:02	+oxek	often it stays the same, but it is something to always keep in mind
2021-06-13 16:03:04	+oxek	yes, I am sure
2021-06-13 16:03:07	sharp_	I have an external HDD for backup I connect
2021-06-13 16:03:23	sharp_	I see
2021-06-13 16:03:29	+oxek	connecting new devices, updating BIOS, resetting BIOS, ... all can change the letters
2021-06-13 16:03:32	sharp_	I will redo this later tonight then or tomorrow night
2021-06-13 16:03:37	+oxek	that's why UUID and LABEL were invented
2021-06-13 16:04:02	dukenukem3d	sharp_, yes try to figure out why UUID does not work
2021-06-13 16:04:05	sharp_	so don't use UUID=xxx and use /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxx instead?
2021-06-13 16:04:10	sharp_	and use rootdelay=2
2021-06-13 16:04:11	sharp_	?
2021-06-13 16:04:16	+oxek	UUID=xxx should work
2021-06-13 16:04:32	sharp_	ok then I will post logs from dmesg later tonight here
2021-06-13 16:04:33	+oxek	it would be preferable to debug why it did not work in your case
2021-06-13 16:04:57	sharp_	it went into some sort of check "49 seconds / 1:30 second"
2021-06-13 16:04:58	+oxek	sharp_: remember to use a pastebin service and not flood this channel when you do that :)
2021-06-13 16:05:02	sharp_	something udev I think
2021-06-13 16:05:05	sharp_	k
2021-06-13 16:05:09	+oxek	that sounds like systemd services
2021-06-13 16:05:19	sharp_	k gtg will post later
2021-06-13 16:05:21	sharp_	thanks
2021-06-13 16:05:23	dukenukem3d	i use rootdelay for some hdd take time to spin up.. sharp_ good luck, I wont stay long!
2021-06-13 16:05:54	sharp_	k maybe catch you guys tomorrow
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2021-06-13 16:37:14	SkyLeach	hey all... can anyone point me to a good guide on modifying a UEFI bootable USB to add a driver?
2021-06-13 16:37:44	SkyLeach	I've compiled the kernel before, but I've never done it quite this way
2021-06-13 16:37:58	SkyLeach	I'm not sure where the modules even are on this thing
2021-06-13 16:39:30	yanmaani	SkyLeach: You're more likely to get an answer in the other place; most active users have moved there already.
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2021-06-13 16:40:59	SkyLeach	#linux also moved?  What was it... Libera Chat?
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2021-06-13 16:42:12	+oxek	SkyLeach: #linux is here
2021-06-13 16:42:43	trbp	SkyLeach: there should be no difference in compiling a kernel either booting from usb or not
2021-06-13 16:43:13	+oxek	you can modify the kernel, and/or add modules the same way you would on a regular installation, and just move the resulting files onto the usb stick
2021-06-13 16:43:23	trbp	unless that is not running on the same machine that is
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2021-06-13 16:45:43	trbp	SkyLeach: what distribution are you using? and how did you do your previous compile?
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2021-06-13 16:51:57	lxsameer	m/b 5
2021-06-13 16:52:06	lxsameer	oops sorry
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2021-06-13 17:04:35	yanmaani	SkyLeach: yeah, irc.libera.chat
2021-06-13 17:05:02	yanmaani	or rather, ##linux was seized, and its community moved to libera
2021-06-13 17:05:09	yanmaani	this is a separate channel with less activity
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2021-06-13 17:06:25	CrystalMath	yanmaani: we can get more activity :)
2021-06-13 17:06:36	CrystalMath	besides, all the people banned for SMS speak from there can come here
2021-06-13 17:06:49	+oxek	yanmaani: please stop doing that
2021-06-13 17:06:52	trbp	yanmaani: what gives it to you to talk people into switching servers?
2021-06-13 17:06:53	+oxek	thx
2021-06-13 17:07:09	yanmaani	trbp: I can talk to them, you can talk to them, they can decide for themselves
2021-06-13 17:07:12	yanmaani	What are you so scared of?
2021-06-13 17:07:52	CrystalMath	yanmaani: me? nothing, i left ##linux because of its strict writing rules, i was helping people and wrote "ofc" and got warned for it
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2021-06-13 17:08:04	trbp	yanmaani: as i am neither libera nor freenode stuff it does not scare me
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2021-06-13 17:08:32	SkyLeach	I just saw this flashing
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2021-06-13 17:08:55	SkyLeach	trbp, I have fatdog right now on the usb
2021-06-13 17:09:13	SkyLeach	it was small and comes with space to have a portable os on the USB
2021-06-13 17:09:34	SkyLeach	also it's safeboot compatible with the keys on the usb, so easy to add to my bios
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2021-06-13 17:09:50	trbp	SkyLeach: it was just out of curiosity like 'why does he need usb' and 'why does he ask about differences between kernel compiles'
2021-06-13 17:09:53	+oxek	SkyLeach: you might be interested in ventoy then
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2021-06-13 17:10:16	clemens3	so why can I not join libera #linux channel?
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2021-06-13 17:10:43	+oxek	clemens3: ask there, it's a different channel, just like EFNet's #linux
2021-06-13 17:10:43	SkyLeach	mainly, I'm trying to achieve two things: have a good linux for working on computers with portable storage and 2: be able to swap nvme ssd primary drives easily
2021-06-13 17:11:24	SkyLeach	so I have storage space and I have fatdog and I can boot it but... two problems: no external HDCP support for laptops and missing most nvme drivers.
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2021-06-13 17:12:50	SkyLeach	I'm very not used to working with linux in this way.  I'm using a GPT partition for boot and it's mounted RO.  There is some 1.5GB free on the usb, but only 500G is formated as vfat
2021-06-13 17:12:55	SkyLeach	not sure why
2021-06-13 17:13:11	SkyLeach	probably because I used dd to create it rather than doing it myself with fdisk
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2021-06-13 17:14:12	SkyLeach	but if I install packages, they're gone when I reboot.  I'm not sure how to get around that.  I have a writable partition, but the way things are set up installs go into the ramdisk instead.
2021-06-13 17:14:23	SkyLeach	I'm guessing there is something I need to configure but don't know what.
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2021-06-13 17:16:22	SkyLeach	so, long story short, I'm grinding through the user guide trying to figure out what I"m doing
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2021-06-13 18:08:01	Hash	Where would be a good place to post the channel rules? Github?
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2021-06-13 18:09:32	CaptainShell	Is there a GNU command to chop of the beginning of a file, such as IRC logs?
2021-06-13 18:09:43	Hash	head?
2021-06-13 18:09:53	Hash	try man head, see if that's what you need.
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2021-06-13 18:10:43	CaptainShell	tail -n ##### would do it, but a new file must be written out and the old one deleted.
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2021-06-13 18:11:24	clemens3	oxek: got it, need to register with /msg NickServ help register again..
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2021-06-13 18:11:48	Hash	tail would get the end of the file. If you want the beginning, try head
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2021-06-13 18:13:25	JohnDoe2	so after all this channel is run by posers or the original ##linux people?
2021-06-13 18:13:27	+oxek	Hash: you can even make a small text document and post it on some pastebin
2021-06-13 18:13:34	Hash	Ok
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2021-06-13 18:13:41	Hash	I'll get that started today
2021-06-13 18:13:50	Hash	Then we can run it by the community.
2021-06-13 18:14:26	+oxek	CaptainShell: `sed` would be the typical tool for that
2021-06-13 18:14:42	Hash	CaptainShell: head -n 100 /some/file > somenewfile
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2021-06-13 18:14:53	Hash	CaptainShell: will grab the first 100 lines from the file into a new file
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2021-06-13 18:16:56	clemens3	JohnDoe2: well, it ain't ##linux anymore..
2021-06-13 18:17:39	Hash	clemens3: we still have almost 400 of the old gang still here.
2021-06-13 18:17:52	Hash	It's new management but still a linux channel.
2021-06-13 18:18:07	JohnDoe2	clemens3 right, that's why I'm asking I was on when they took over ##linux because "it's against the policies"
2021-06-13 18:18:55	+oxek	JohnDoe2: this channel is a community channel where people discuss linux and help each other with linux questions
2021-06-13 18:19:01	+oxek	the rest should not matter
2021-06-13 18:19:05	JohnDoe2	not sure what the point was to shut down ##linux and kick everyone out, but I suspect they are hoping clients just reconnect and get redirected here to say stupid stuff like "oh, the old 400 people are still here"
2021-06-13 18:19:07	+oxek	there are #linux channels on every IRC network
2021-06-13 18:19:15	clemens3	yes, it's just not the ##linux channel anymore
2021-06-13 18:19:34	clemens3	but congrats to your new channel
2021-06-13 18:19:42	+oxek	it's not the ##linux channel, which was about linux, it is #linux channel, which is about linux...
2021-06-13 18:19:56	Hash	Haha
2021-06-13 18:19:58	xpitr	i love how admins shoot themselves in the foot at first and then they took bigger guns =D
2021-06-13 18:20:33	JohnDoe2	oxek makes total sense... 🤪
2021-06-13 18:20:54	JohnDoe2	oxek it doesn't matter if we kill 900 kids so long as we get quiet classrooms! :)
2021-06-13 18:21:22	+oxek	not a great analogy
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2021-06-13 18:21:42	JohnDoe2	but an analogy nontheless
2021-06-13 18:21:44	+oxek	whenever I connect to any IRC network, I look whether there's a #linux channel and if there is, then I join it. Makes sense to me.
2021-06-13 18:21:56	clemens3	soo, I am leaving, cya wherever.. enjoy your channel..
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2021-06-13 18:22:24	+oxek	JohnDoe2: and I'd be very surprised if the channel was actually about http://www.roeschswiss.com/en/11_linux
2021-06-13 18:23:45	JohnDoe2	poor attempt at sweeping dirt under the rug oxek
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2021-06-13 18:24:00	xpitr	if you do /list on this network you'll see 200+ channels moving
2021-06-13 18:24:30	JohnDoe2	right but as soon as you state anything about it you get kicked out of a channel because it's against the rules
2021-06-13 18:24:54	Hash	Let's focus on linux chat! :)
2021-06-13 18:24:55	JohnDoe2	oh, excuse me, policy ;)
2021-06-13 18:24:57	+oxek	JohnDoe2: I prefer to look towards the future
2021-06-13 18:25:01	xpitr	i just like the front row seats during this drama :D
2021-06-13 18:25:08	Hash	Who likes colored man pages
2021-06-13 18:25:11	Hash	I do
2021-06-13 18:25:19	Hash	I did a thing in bashrc and made man pages colorful
2021-06-13 18:25:32	JohnDoe2	oxek I do too, and that future is not taking a dump on people's channels and kicking everyone out
2021-06-13 18:25:44	+oxek	I did the same, but not in .bashrc but in .lesskey
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2021-06-13 18:26:04	Hash	https://bpa.st/QEPA
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2021-06-13 18:39:36	LeShadow	why has this channel been taken over by network staff? o.O
2021-06-13 18:39:54	xpitr	because they think it will cause people to return
2021-06-13 18:40:09	+oxek	LeShadow: it hasn't
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2021-06-13 18:40:39	LeShadow	oxek then why is a network staff opped inhere lol?
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2021-06-13 18:40:49	+oxek	LeShadow: why not?
2021-06-13 18:41:14	xpitr	they didn't take over this channel, only ##linux that redirects here, to totally brand new channel
2021-06-13 18:41:22	xpitr	all is good
2021-06-13 18:41:35	LeShadow	xpitr: and why is that?
2021-06-13 18:41:43	LeShadow	"For violating the policy"?
2021-06-13 18:41:56	xpitr	5d chess probably XD
2021-06-13 18:42:11	+oxek	let's not discuss other channels in here
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2021-06-13 18:43:12	xpitr	do you not care about what happened to biggest and greatest irc network, oxek ? seriously, all is good and carry on? :)
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2021-06-13 18:43:31	LeShadow	oxek ##linux was the original channel
2021-06-13 18:43:35	LeShadow	and then everyone got moved here
2021-06-13 18:43:36	--	phanes has changed topic for #linux from "Linux talk - the best kernel in the world! | Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS" to "Freenode's Linux Support and Community Discussion Channel | All distros welcome!  Be kind to each other."
2021-06-13 18:43:36	--	ChanServ has changed topic for #linux from "Freenode's Linux Support and Community Discussion Channel | All distros welcome!  Be kind to each other." to "Linux talk - the best kernel in the world! | Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS"
2021-06-13 18:43:37	Hash	Yes, please. Let's carry on.
2021-06-13 18:43:41	@phanes	lol
2021-06-13 18:43:42	LeShadow	so technically we are not discussing other channels
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2021-06-13 18:44:14	LeShadow	also oxek, it sees that if you try to change the topic the network says NO. Doesn't sound free to me anymore
2021-06-13 18:44:42	xpitr	do you all remember sourceforge? :)
2021-06-13 18:44:55	+oxek	LeShadow: I'd really prefer to move on and make #linux a channel for discussing linux and not other channels or parts of freenode
2021-06-13 18:45:20	xpitr	sourceforge was so good, and de facto place to be with your project
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2021-06-13 18:45:29	xpitr	good times
2021-06-13 18:45:33	LeShadow	so I cannot talk ABOUT the #linux channel inhere? and what happened with the original ##linux?
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2021-06-13 18:45:52	Hash	https://bpa.st/BRCQ That's my .bashrc
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2021-06-13 18:46:03	Hash	Lots of useful aliases if anyone wants.
2021-06-13 18:46:11	+oxek	LeShadow: it's very likely that discussion will not lead anywhere
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2021-06-13 18:52:27	Linkandzelda	whats the best way to do software RAID10 with 4 drives?
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2021-06-13 18:54:30	+oxek	Linkandzelda: best in terms of what?
2021-06-13 18:54:45	+oxek	there's mdadm for that, or using btrfs or zfs instead of raid
2021-06-13 18:55:18	+oxek	personally I'd do zfs, and if that's not possible then btrfs, and if that's not possible either then I'd look into RAID
2021-06-13 18:55:58	Linkandzelda	oxek: i was looking at zfs based raid, mostly for its performance. but not sure i like how it handles expansion. there's only a small chance i'd expand it anyway though
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2021-06-13 18:56:40	+oxek	Linkandzelda: btrfs makes expanding a bit nicer, yeah
2021-06-13 18:56:56	+oxek	just need to make sure you're running recent kernels
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2021-06-13 18:58:10	elops	Is there any maga channel ?
2021-06-13 18:58:37	Linkandzelda	oxek: i need to look into both, because ive only used ext4 on top of LVM before
2021-06-13 18:58:52	elops	So?
2021-06-13 18:59:02	elops	Oxek answer me
2021-06-13 18:59:05	Linkandzelda	and mdadm
2021-06-13 18:59:06	elops	or you can auck
2021-06-13 18:59:10	+oxek	elops: ?
2021-06-13 18:59:17	elops	Is there any maga channel
2021-06-13 18:59:38	+oxek	elops: search on /list or `/msg alis list` or ask in #freenode. I don't know
2021-06-13 18:59:44	+oxek	there's #MFGA
2021-06-13 19:00:30	+oxek	Linkandzelda: btrfs combines all of ext4, LVM & mdadm
2021-06-13 19:00:38	+oxek	so in a way it makes it simpler
2021-06-13 19:00:45	+oxek	but in another way it makes it more complex :)
2021-06-13 19:00:51	+oxek	same with ZFS
2021-06-13 19:00:52	SkyLeach_	anyone know if you can resize a usb from virtualbox?
2021-06-13 19:01:05	+oxek	SkyLeach_: if you pass through the USB then yes
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2021-06-13 19:03:15	SkyLeach_	oxek, ok afaik I did that but I'm getting an error saying it isn't writable
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2021-06-13 19:03:57	+oxek	SkyLeach_: I don't use vbox myself anymore, but remember there were different ways of passing the usb stick through, and you'd need to select an option/button to make it r/w
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2021-06-13 19:04:07	+oxek	you might need to find a guide online for that
2021-06-13 19:04:17	+oxek	but I know for a fact that it is possible because I've done it myself
2021-06-13 19:04:47	SkyLeach_	lemme check one thing
2021-06-13 19:04:58	swift110	hey all
2021-06-13 19:05:29	Linkandzelda	oxek: i'll see which one has the best performance for backing up to
2021-06-13 19:05:38	Linkandzelda	thanks
2021-06-13 19:05:42	+oxek	no problem
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2021-06-13 19:06:17	SkyLeach_	hey oxek when you said pass through the USB was that perhaps the -rawdisk internalcommand?
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2021-06-13 19:07:31	+oxek	SkyLeach_: I think I used that one for passing through an actual hard drive. But for a USB stick it was clicking that icon on the bottom right and selecting some usb options. My memory is very foggy about that though.
2021-06-13 19:07:42	SkyLeach_	like so: VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename C:\usb2.vmdk -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive#
2021-06-13 19:07:42	SkyLeach_	USB boot for VirtualBox VirtualmAchine
2021-06-13 19:07:42	SkyLeach_	Step 6: Create a New Virtual Machine
2021-06-13 19:07:42	SkyLeach_	create USB boot Virtual Machine oN Virtual box
2021-06-13 19:07:42	SkyLeach_	Step 7: Assign some name to it.
2021-06-13 19:07:43	SkyLeach_	Here we are creating Windows 7 Virtual Machine with the name USB Windows 7, however, you can select Linux or any other OS depending upon your bootable USB OS.
2021-06-13 19:07:48	SkyLeach_	Give Virtual Machine name
2021-06-13 19:07:50	SkyLeach_	Allot the amount of RAM you want to give to Virtual Machine.
2021-06-13 19:07:52	SkyLeach_	Assign memeory
2021-06-13 19:07:54	SkyLeach_	Step 8: Use USB boot VDMK Raw disk in VirtualBox
2021-06-13 19:07:56	SkyLeach_	In the Hard disk section, select the “Use an existing virtual hard disk file” option and then click on the folder icon which opens Windows Explorer. Now go to C: drive and select your created.VDMK file. In our case it is usb2.vdmk.
2021-06-13 19:08:00	SkyLeach_	Then click on the Create button.
2021-06-13 19:08:02	SkyLeach_	Create USB boot Virtual Machine 2
2021-06-13 19:08:04	SkyLeach_	Note: If you get an error:
2021-06-13 19:08:06	SkyLeach_	Failed to open the disk image file ~/VirtualBox VMs/xx/usb.vmdk.
2021-06-13 19:08:08	SkyLeach_	Permission problem accessing the file for the medium '~/VirtualBox VMs/xx/usb.vmdk' (VERR_ACCESS_DENIED).
2021-06-13 19:08:10	SkyLeach_	Then simply close the VirtualBox and start it under administrative rights…
2021-06-13 19:08:12	SkyLeach_	 
2021-06-13 19:08:16	SkyLeach_	Step 9: Start created a virtual Machine
2021-06-13 19:08:18	SkyLeach_	Select the created USB bootable virtual machine from the right-side panel and click on the Start button given in the VirtualBox menu and that’s it.
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2021-06-13 19:09:26	SkyLeach	sorry about that, I must have had more in the selection than I knew.  was trying to paste single line
2021-06-13 19:09:49	+oxek	SkyLeach: look into using some pastebin service
2021-06-13 19:09:58	SkyLeach	here: VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename C:\usb2.vmdk -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive#
2021-06-13 19:10:09	SkyLeach	yeah, if I had planned to paste more than a single line, I would
2021-06-13 19:10:15	SkyLeach	that was totally unexpected.
2021-06-13 19:10:26	+oxek	that command looks familiar, let me look over my notes
2021-06-13 19:10:33	isapgswell	i would like to see a new permission
2021-06-13 19:10:33	isapgswell	t = thread (single or multi)
2021-06-13 19:10:33	isapgswell	r-w-xt
2021-06-13 19:11:09	+oxek	`VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename C:\usb.vmdk -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive#`
2021-06-13 19:11:14	+oxek	SkyLeach: ^ is what I have
2021-06-13 19:11:40	SkyLeach	yup, that's exactly what I did to boot from usb
2021-06-13 19:11:41	+oxek	so it looks correct
2021-06-13 19:11:47	SkyLeach	and I'm obvoiusly booted as root
2021-06-13 19:11:55	SkyLeach	I wonder if I didn't run as admin?
2021-06-13 19:12:03	SkyLeach	I can suspend the VM and see...
2021-06-13 19:12:12	SkyLeach	no wait... I couldn't even boot without admin
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2021-06-13 19:13:35	+oxek	I vaguely remember using that command to boot from a usb stick
2021-06-13 19:13:44	+oxek	but for making the usb stick read/write, it was not necessary
2021-06-13 19:14:05	+oxek	unfortunately I really don't remember more, you'll have to search online
2021-06-13 19:14:11	+oxek	or try the #vbox channel on freenode
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2021-06-13 19:15:51	SkyLeach	it's not vbox (I don't think)
2021-06-13 19:16:03	SkyLeach	I think I just found a bug in the fatdog linux script I am using
2021-06-13 19:16:15	+oxek	SkyLeach: #vbox is the virtualbox channel
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2021-06-13 19:16:47	SkyLeach	oxek, yeah I know, but like I said I think the problem isn't actually that I can't write.
2021-06-13 19:17:05	SkyLeach	I'm using a shell script to "fix" the usb that comes with fatdog
2021-06-13 19:17:16	+oxek	I see
2021-06-13 19:17:28	+oxek	can you paste the error messages you get?
2021-06-13 19:17:38	+oxek	(on some pastebin service, not in here)
2021-06-13 19:17:44	SkyLeach	it has a function: if [ -w $1 ]; then echo "get root n00b"
2021-06-13 19:17:47	SkyLeach	(not really but...)
2021-06-13 19:18:09	SkyLeach	the thing is that will always be false, because the script requires the usb device without the /dev
2021-06-13 19:18:16	SkyLeach	but the conditional has no /dev prepended
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2021-06-13 19:19:03	+oxek	SkyLeach: #bash can help spotting many script errors
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2021-06-13 19:37:21	antiloopa_	https://dchub.one/temp/Soft/ что бы так было у всех
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2021-06-13 19:46:57	SkyLeach	oxek, the problem wasn't that I couldn't write, it's that the vm passes a virtual interface instead of the actual device info
2021-06-13 19:47:12	SkyLeach	I managed to create the new parition and format it
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2021-06-13 20:40:56	Linkandzelda	oxek: i ended up going with mdadm. ive only got 2GB ram to work with, and didnt want to choke zfs with the sizes of disks im using
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2021-06-13 20:41:30	+oxek	yeah 2GB is not much for ZFS, but it can work. btrfs is a bit better
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2021-06-13 20:42:42	Linkandzelda	oxek: im gonna save my experimenting for when im got better hardware to work with. this is just a backup system anyway and reliability is top
2021-06-13 20:43:18	+oxek	if reliability is top, then having a checksumming filesystem like btrfs or zfs, and having ECC RAM is priority
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2021-06-13 20:52:08	Linkandzelda	oxek: realistically available ram is around 1GB, dealing with 4x8TB is way off the 1GB per TB rule
2021-06-13 20:52:34	+oxek	Linkandzelda: that rule is for deduplication
2021-06-13 20:52:37	+oxek	you don't need that
2021-06-13 20:52:56	Linkandzelda	i see, that would make sense then
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2021-06-13 21:31:05	notmommy	#linux isn't +r anymore?!
2021-06-13 21:31:14	notmommy	#linux isn't +r anymore?
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2021-06-13 21:31:21	+oxek	notmommy: it isn't
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2021-06-13 21:31:48	notmommy	Wait
2021-06-13 21:31:53	notmommy	Since when is #linux not +r?
2021-06-13 21:31:56	notmommy	#linux
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2021-06-13 21:32:42	notmommy	Since when is this place not +r?
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2021-06-13 21:33:31	+oxek	notmommy: a few hours
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2021-06-13 21:34:02	sil0ft	huh
2021-06-13 21:34:04	notmommy	Someomne tagged me
2021-06-13 21:34:07	notmommy	my client keeps locking up
2021-06-13 21:34:09	notmommy	when I mention a channel name
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2021-06-13 21:34:20	+oxek	notmommy: so don't do that
2021-06-13 21:34:41	notmommy	its the freenode webirc
2021-06-13 21:34:44	notmommy	its broken :|
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2021-06-13 22:05:40	triceratux	antiX bullseye beta rocks [    0.000000] Linux version 5.10.27-antix.1-amd64-smp (anticap@antix1) (gcc (Debian 10.2.1-6) 10.2.1 20210110, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Debian) 2.35.2) #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Apr 1 15:12:33 EEST 2021
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2021-06-13 22:49:41	@phanes	1 day.
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2021-06-13 23:07:26	pnbeast	phanes, it's not fair to unquiet me before a day has passed.  How will I learn?  Toughlove is the way to go, with IRC.
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2021-06-13 23:11:28	@phanes	pnbeast, nah, im not that big a butthead, just cool it
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2021-06-13 23:12:03	@phanes	be kind to each other and help each other with your linux systems
2021-06-13 23:12:46	pnbeast	Yes, you can get help with your Linux questions on the libera net!
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2021-06-13 23:53:25	skapata	It is not a quit, it is just a part.
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2021-06-14 00:15:33	jamea97	hi all
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2021-06-14 00:16:28	@bagira	lol
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2021-06-14 00:17:08	@bagira	hey jamea97
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2021-06-14 00:17:44	jamea97	how to copy files from dir1 to dir2 but only missing files in dir2
2021-06-14 00:18:23	@bagira	jamea97, check out rsync
2021-06-14 00:20:56	jamea97	wich parameters
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2021-06-14 00:21:39	RayTracer	jamea97: or cp -n - see "man cp"
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2021-06-14 00:28:28	jamea97	do not overwrite an existing file (overrides a previous -i option)
2021-06-14 00:30:50	@bagira	rsync is the better tool there
2021-06-14 00:31:11	@bagira	cp is really meant for smaller files and dir structures
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2021-06-14 03:24:26	thyriaen	i have an application which uses an old version of a package and does not work properly with an updated one - apt-mark hold fixes it but my other applications need the new ones - can have an additional old package on the system which only my 1 application uses ?
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2021-06-14 03:26:33	Hash	Hi
2021-06-14 03:26:49	Hash	thyriaen: that will cause issues.
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2021-06-14 03:27:12	Hash	You can only install one version of a package, otherwise the files get overwritten by new package/update
2021-06-14 03:27:23	Hash	So in this instance, not sure what would be a good solution
2021-06-14 03:27:39	Hash	Perhaps for this app, you can setup a container, chroot etc.
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2021-06-14 03:27:47	Hash	Docker/vagrant instance where you can run this older package.
2021-06-14 03:28:00	Hash	That's all I can think of.
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2021-06-14 03:32:19	thyriaen	Hash alright thanks
2021-06-14 03:33:10	Hash	Can you build this locally yourself and not use a pckage
2021-06-14 03:33:18	Hash	use a package for one, and compile one yourself.
2021-06-14 03:33:23	Hash	So they are in two diff locations.
2021-06-14 03:33:30	Hash	Then you can tell your program about the old one and use that.
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2021-06-14 03:56:36	elc0292	hey peeps
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2021-06-14 03:58:08	Hash	Hi
2021-06-14 03:58:40	elc0292	sup
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2021-06-14 03:59:03	elc0292	linus legacy eh
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2021-06-14 04:06:35	Hash	yup
2021-06-14 04:06:39	Hash	great kernel
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2021-06-14 07:19:17	+Voxel	Hey all ^^
2021-06-14 07:19:33	+Voxel	May anyone tell how to retrieve the same device description as in lsusb?
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2021-06-14 07:20:01	+Voxel	For example, for a device phy1 which is wireless. Like /sys/class/ieee80211/phy1.
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2021-06-14 07:20:42	+Voxel	I tride Googling that, found nothing actually related except such big tools like dmidecode or lshw
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2021-06-14 07:21:09	+Voxel	I believe such exist in kernel paths, but didn't find yet
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2021-06-14 07:22:56	Abrax	do you still have ops here hash?
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2021-06-14 07:24:00	+Voxel	Of course, there are multiple option gettin' such, but currious is the any at least minimally reliable
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2021-06-14 07:24:16	+Voxel	there*
2021-06-14 07:24:26	+Voxel	anything*
2021-06-14 07:25:00	Pajus	something like
2021-06-14 07:25:00	Pajus	/dev/input/event0 - RAPOO_RAPOO_2.4G_Wireless_Device
2021-06-14 07:25:01	Pajus	?
2021-06-14 07:25:15	+Voxel	Pajus, /dev/
2021-06-14 07:25:23	+Voxel	What about /sys?
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2021-06-14 07:55:48	+Voxel	ltrace -l "libudev*" lsusb; strace lsusb and ldd "$(which lsusb)" doesn't give a useful result, too, it seems
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2021-06-14 08:00:04	ice9	if /boot is unencrypted, is there away to verify the integrity of the kernel and initramfs after or during boot process automatically?
2021-06-14 08:00:25	rcm888	is it possible to connect 2 mouses and 2 keyboards in Linux, and assign each to dedicated window? I watch video tutorial, and it is very ugly to change focus forth and back every time I need to rewind.
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2021-06-14 08:19:58	bughira	https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/ this channel has been stolen from the Linux community. Please join many more people than here at Libera.chat #linux channel.
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2021-06-14 08:21:21	yanmaani	rcm888: ^
2021-06-14 08:21:48	+oxek	that's a different channel from this one
2021-06-14 08:22:07	yanmaani	oxek: this channel was only created because you shut down ##linux
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2021-06-14 08:22:45	+oxek	I prefer to look towards the future. #linux is a place on freenode to discuss all things linux
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2021-06-14 08:23:30	yanmaani	Maybe so, but it should be pointed out that this channel is inofficial and libera's is bigger.
2021-06-14 08:23:36	bughira	#linux here is where some lowlife will be left while the community is over at Libera
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2021-06-14 08:23:52	bughira	just like with all the other community channels
2021-06-14 08:23:57	+oxek	bughira: there's a linux channel on every irc network
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2021-06-14 08:25:07	bughira	here will be alt-right, free speech, nazis, whatnot. And yes, they may be using free software, but that is not their main concern. And nobody from a real free software background will help them.
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2021-06-14 08:25:42	bughira	So this place will just continue to rot and the fun is over at Libera (#linux and other channels)
2021-06-14 08:25:48	+oxek	the only alt-right in here is ^[[1;3C
2021-06-14 08:26:17	bughira	yeah, watch #freenode. Unfortunately not.
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2021-06-14 08:26:40	+oxek	this is #linux, we don't deal with what's happening in other channels
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2021-06-14 08:27:39	bughira	you are riding the rest oiof a community Wildpikachu has built up. Read https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/ .
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2021-06-14 08:28:51	+oxek	again, that link is referring to a different channel, and we don't deal with what's happening in other channels
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2021-06-14 08:29:42	sorcerer	[07:23:30am]         yanmaani | Maybe so, but it should be pointed out that this channel is inofficial and libera's is bigger.
2021-06-14 08:29:52	sorcerer	linux in general has NO official irc channel
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2021-06-14 08:30:01	sorcerer	all channels for linux on every network are unofficial
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2021-06-14 08:31:00	bughira	wrong, ##linux was as official as freenode policy at the time allowed
2021-06-14 08:31:30	sorcerer	show me where linus says he has an official linux channel
2021-06-14 08:31:32	sorcerer	ill wait
2021-06-14 08:32:03	+oxek	wb sorcerer
2021-06-14 08:32:04	sorcerer	##linux was a community channel for freenode, which this also will be.
2021-06-14 08:32:28	bughira	this will be a shit hole as the rest of what is left of freenode
2021-06-14 08:32:45	sorcerer	just because you guys are going to a different network, and dont wanna be apart of it doesnt mean this won't be a community channel
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2021-06-14 08:33:37	bughira	well, you can steal the car, you can ride the car. It is still not your car and the chicks will not join you for the ride either.
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2021-06-14 08:34:09	sorcerer	come on, show me where #linux is an official linux channel anywhere
2021-06-14 08:34:16	+oxek	bughira: this discussion will not lead anywhere. Let me state again that #linux is simply the channel on freenode for all things linux.
2021-06-14 08:34:20	sorcerer	or are you mad that i debunked your lame ass excuse to switch networks?
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2021-06-14 08:34:56	yanmaani	sorcerer: All right, but don't you think a user who wants some help would be interested in knowing that libera's is by far more active?
2021-06-14 08:35:11	sorcerer	no, its not done on other networks
2021-06-14 08:35:11	yanmaani	And that they may have been misinformed by the past history of the network
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2021-06-14 08:35:26	sorcerer	no other networks open a #linux and say Hey goto this network for more help
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2021-06-14 08:35:35	sorcerer	they help with the users in that networks communities
2021-06-14 08:35:44	yanmaani	sorcerer: actually, they do
2021-06-14 08:35:53	sorcerer	because well they care about community and not some political policy
2021-06-14 08:35:53	bughira	I need not prove anything to you. Why should I? You are part of the group of idiots that ruin this network. I'd get you a shrink appointment if I cared enough. And may be some meds.
2021-06-14 08:35:55	ice9	in order to run user script on login, should i place it in .bashrc or .bash_profile?
2021-06-14 08:36:04	yanmaani	I've joined various channels on OFTC and people have responded by telling me I should go to Freenode because their chans are more active
2021-06-14 08:36:14	sorcerer	one network
2021-06-14 08:36:19	sorcerer	is it done on every network?
2021-06-14 08:36:20	yanmaani	and vice versa - I've joined channels on Freenode and people told me to go to OFTC
2021-06-14 08:36:42	yanmaani	sorcerer: why is freenode so paranoid about their users being informed about the existence of other networks?
2021-06-14 08:36:44	sorcerer	is a policy on those networks to interrupt help by saying that?
2021-06-14 08:36:56	yanmaani	sorcerer: you said "no other networks", not "not all other networks"
2021-06-14 08:37:07	sorcerer	why are you users who are switching so keen on advertising and spamming the network instead of just helping users?
2021-06-14 08:37:14	bughira	yeah, it'll be OFTC for Debian and the others that moved there and Libera for anybody else. You'll find more free software groups on slack than on freenode these days.
2021-06-14 08:37:29	yanmaani	I'm sure if I went to Rizon or EFnet and tried asking some specific technological questions, people would advise me to go to libera/OFTC instead
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2021-06-14 08:37:34	bughira	all thanks to the new evil overlord and his angels of doom
2021-06-14 08:37:40	yanmaani	sorcerer: why are you so keen on shutting it down?
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2021-06-14 08:37:58	yanmaani	you can tell people to go to freenet on libera, and nobody will be upset
2021-06-14 08:38:01	sorcerer	yanmaani: because theres people to help, and you guys are trying to ship people off to new network for users.
2021-06-14 08:38:09	sorcerer	thats why.
2021-06-14 08:38:11	+oxek	ice9: consider ~/.profile
2021-06-14 08:38:24	yanmaani	it's like the Berlin Wall - it's not to keep the West Germans from getting in
2021-06-14 08:38:33	yanmaani	sorcerer: And why do you think they leave?
2021-06-14 08:38:47	+oxek	ice9: if you want the script to run only on login, and not on opening every new terminal
2021-06-14 08:38:53	bughira	of course, everybody who knows has moved already. So we need to tell those that are too new or too inactive to find the shitfest that you have bestowed upon us.
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2021-06-14 08:39:18	+oxek	ice9: check which files are sourced from each of ~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.profile, and the related files in /etc
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2021-06-14 08:39:27	sorcerer	stop interfering with people helping others with your political talk. this is an unofficial help channel for those that want to help and want to help others
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2021-06-14 08:40:38	bughira	running out of arguments, sourcerer?
2021-06-14 08:40:43	yanmaani	sorcerer: So how come the only people who help users in here are staff?
2021-06-14 08:40:43	+oxek	bughira: you're really not helping
2021-06-14 08:40:54	yanmaani	Is it like a commercial support hotline?
2021-06-14 08:41:02	yanmaani	or do they do it for free?
2021-06-14 08:41:05	sorcerer	because apparently we care about the community and you only care about advertising
2021-06-14 08:41:13	bughira	yanmaani: cause nobody else if left
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2021-06-14 08:41:23	+oxek	yanmaani: everyone in here is a volunteer, and many of us care about linux in general and want linux to have a presence on every IRC network
2021-06-14 08:41:26	yanmaani	sorcerer: ah yes, but do you care about the community because you like it, or because you have a vested interest in it?
2021-06-14 08:41:48	sorcerer	considering i was here long before all of this i'd say i care about the community
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2021-06-14 08:42:03	yanmaani	t. unknown@freenode/staff/sorcerer
2021-06-14 08:42:07	bughira	well, may bbe some people that want to see the ship sink completely. But most people are gone. No Wildpikachu, no jim,, no sauvin etc.
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2021-06-14 08:56:11	foxtrot	another channel taken over? lol
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2021-06-14 08:58:33	ice9	how can I display a GUI message when login? I tried notify-send in .profile but it doesn't work during login
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2021-06-14 08:59:43	+oxek	ice9: are you using a desktop environment, since you're talking about GUIs?
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2021-06-14 09:00:12	+oxek	if yes, then most of the DEs have ways of having commands run on login, and I'd put notify-send in there
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2021-06-14 09:01:02	+oxek	.profile will not work for this because it is loaded before the rest of the graphical environment runs, so notify-send doesn't know what to do
2021-06-14 09:01:24	yanmaani	foxtrot: Oh no, it wasn't taken over, it was just removed and a new (100% organic) channel inserted in its place
2021-06-14 09:01:40	yanmaani	pay no attention to the bit where the only people in here are staffers
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2021-06-14 09:02:08	+oxek	yanmaani: there's no reason to engage in that discussion with every user coming in here, thank you
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2021-06-14 09:02:47	yanmaani	oxek: Why not ask him?
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2021-06-14 09:03:25	sorcerer	yanmaani: I told you this is a linux channel, not a political channel therefor, you're now silenced
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2021-06-14 09:07:50	f11111111	qq all
2021-06-14 09:07:53	foxtrot	yanmaani, thanks for the explanation (i figured as much, i have to say)
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2021-06-14 09:10:23	f11111111	who now< my system opened ports 21(FTP) after a while the port was closed/iam in the domain
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2021-06-14 09:16:48	RoseBus	so did freenode just make a big change assuming controls of lots of channels?
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2021-06-14 09:17:46	RoseBus	i've never had access to #linux, always going to ##linux, but now it's the other way around.  On top of that, ##django is now moved to libera.chat because freenode has assumed control of #django*
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2021-06-14 09:18:14	+oxek	RoseBus: can't comment on what's happening in other channels, but #linux is the place for linux discussion on freenode
2021-06-14 09:18:17	RoseBus	i'm wondering if the same thing happened to #linux and perhaps this has happened to other channels
2021-06-14 09:18:40	sorcerer	People were abandoning the channels, the channels had no OPs controlling it for the community that remained  so some channels are under staff ownership to try to keep up with the channel management.
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2021-06-14 09:19:57	fanhako	hi, how risky is it to recompile an openssh-server of an existing vps ? We are on openssh 7.6 which is the latest version in Ubuntu 18.04, and for security reason, we need to upgrade
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2021-06-14 09:21:14	+oxek	fanhako: do you have any other means of connecting, in case something goes wrong?
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2021-06-14 09:21:30	+oxek	whenever I do that, I use `mosh` to keep a rescue connection working on the side
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2021-06-14 09:22:27	+oxek	also, what sort of security reasons? Ubuntu 18.04 is a LTS release that still receives support, and should patch any security issues
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2021-06-14 09:34:06	fanhako	oxek, I haven't analyzed yet which vulnerability this version (7.6) has but a quick look at https://www.openssh.com/releasenotes.html shows there is a major version since then (latest is 8.6). Besides, it's the client that asked for this upgrade. I am trying mosh on a virtual machine to see if things goes well, thanks.
2021-06-14 09:35:30	+oxek	if the client specifically asked for an upgrade, then they will receive an upgrade :) Keep in mind that linux distros provide their own support, often by backporting patches for security issues from newer releases of software into older releases
2021-06-14 09:35:36	+oxek	and that is what ubuntu is doing for 18.04
2021-06-14 09:36:00	+oxek	so even though openssh is version 7.6, it receives security fixes that are present in the newer versions as well
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2021-06-14 09:39:46	fanhako	oxek, how do I prove that 7.6 maintained by the distro is actually in sync with upstream ? any materials I could read or link I could reference ?
2021-06-14 09:41:00	+oxek	fanhako: https://ubuntu.com/blog/what-is-an-ubuntu-lts-release
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2021-06-14 09:41:10	+oxek	pointing them to that resource could be enough
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2021-06-14 09:42:24	+oxek	and this is the changelog for openssh-server on ubuntu https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_7.6p1-4ubuntu0.3/changelog
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2021-06-14 09:51:49	cart_man	Hey does anybody know where I can find the files or "activate" writing to files fro Collectd?
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2021-06-14 11:20:16	thisisamess	there is still people here?
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2021-06-14 11:20:34	thisisamess	shouldnt you be at libera? just wanted to take a look at this mess the new freenode staff caused
2021-06-14 11:20:56	thisisamess	"Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS" I mean that is literally a joke
2021-06-14 11:21:02	Kobaz	hah
2021-06-14 11:21:14	SmashingX|2	your nick is a mess :D
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2021-06-14 11:22:53	thisisamess	it is
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2021-06-14 11:25:37	thisisamess	https://deleteacc.com/freenode
2021-06-14 11:26:17	Lexr	thisisamess: you mean this isn't the official channel of the linux kernel?
2021-06-14 11:26:23	thisisamess	Migrate to irc.libera.chat:6697 today
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2021-06-14 11:26:50	marshfish	Lexr: official channel of the leenix kernel
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2021-06-14 11:27:39	Lexr	marshfish: andrew cuomo's desktop OS?
2021-06-14 11:27:44	marshfish	"Free speech" means banned for mentioning other networks.
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2021-06-14 11:28:56	sumthing1980	hello my native res isnt showing in linux mint
2021-06-14 11:28:56	sumthing1980	I have nvidia 465 now installed didnt work with 460 either
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2021-06-14 11:29:31	marshfish	Lexr: not sure I follow, sorry.
2021-06-14 11:29:38	slayne	sumthing1980: You could try to set your native resolution with xrandr.
2021-06-14 11:29:58	Lexr	marshfish: don't worry, it wasn't a very good joke to start with
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2021-06-14 11:30:44	marshfish	Mine wasn't much better :)
2021-06-14 11:31:23	sumthing1980	xrandr now found in apt
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2021-06-14 11:36:32	slayne	sumthing1980: I think you can install x11-xserver-utils to get xrandr
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2021-06-14 11:44:04	antiloopa	https://dchub.one/temp/Music/TANCI%20MINUS/%d0%a2%d0%b0%d0%bd%d1%86%d1%8b%20%d0%bc%d0%b8%d0%bd%d1%83%d1%81%20-%20%d0%9d%d0%b5%20%d0%bc%d0%b5%d0%bd%d1%8f%d0%b9%20%d0%bc%d0%b5%d0%bd%d1%8f.mp3
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2021-06-14 11:52:00	JimBuntu	ignore this please
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2021-06-14 12:00:03	lh_mouse	ah I just read https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/  .
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2021-06-14 12:02:56	+oxek	lh_mouse: that's a different channel
2021-06-14 12:03:30	lh_mouse	yes I see that channel has a forward to here now.
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2021-06-14 12:04:02	artao	WTF happened?
2021-06-14 12:04:06	artao	"22+ year old ##linux on freenode has been seized by freenode staff"
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2021-06-14 12:04:18	artao	FUCK FREENODE AND ITS NEW DICTATORS!!
2021-06-14 12:04:18	+oxek	artao: that's a different channel, this is #linux
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2021-06-14 12:04:24	artao	go to libera ...
2021-06-14 12:04:33	artao	okay. my statement still applies
2021-06-14 12:04:40	artao	i guess i got redirected from ##linux
2021-06-14 12:04:46	artao	yep
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2021-06-14 12:04:49	+Prestige	You can go if you want but there's no reason to be yelling in this channel
2021-06-14 12:04:53	artao	won't let me /join ##linux
2021-06-14 12:04:59	artao	yes there is
2021-06-14 12:04:59	marshfish	##Linux is gone.
2021-06-14 12:05:06	artao	people are still here for some insane reason
2021-06-14 12:05:11	artao	anyhow. back to libera
2021-06-14 12:05:12	+oxek	artao: #linux is the place for all things linux on freenode
2021-06-14 12:05:18	marshfish	This channel fis for leenux support.
2021-06-14 12:05:19	artao	only chumps are staying on freenode
2021-06-14 12:05:22	+oxek	of course you'll find many linux enthusiasts in a linux channel
2021-06-14 12:05:27	artao	OFFICIAL linux has moved over to libera
2021-06-14 12:05:30	+Prestige	artao: you're on freenode.
2021-06-14 12:05:37	artao	to say these things
2021-06-14 12:05:41	artao	back to libera
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2021-06-14 12:05:54	+Prestige	Crazy people
2021-06-14 12:06:03	marshfish	Yes, anyone still here is indeed crazy.
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2021-06-14 12:45:48	xse	daaamn less than 500 people in there ?
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2021-06-14 12:52:21	GlemSom	I have a CentOS Deployed in a cloud, and I'm testing MTU Path Discovery against http://icmpcheck.popcount.org/ - I can confirm I am receiving the ICMP packets. But, "ip route get 139.162.188.91" is not updating the routing-table with the correct MTU...  (No entry for that endpoint in the routing-table's cache).  I have another CentOS deployed at
2021-06-14 12:52:21	GlemSom	another provider, which IS correctly updating the routing-cache. Anyone have an idea to why a Linux kernel would refuse to update the MTU as path of Path Discovery ? (Or how I can troubleshoot this further?)
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2021-06-14 12:53:25	GlemSom	I've been looking through different ipv4 settings in /proc - but, I haven't been able to pinpoint the difference
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2021-06-14 12:58:57	xse	alleluia there's actually someone talking in here \o/
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2021-06-14 13:05:29	xse	GlemSom: i have no clue tbh i would assume ip setting were set by your cloud provider like you did, i'd redirect you to centOS's channels at https://wiki.centos.org/irc maybe there doesn't seem to be much activity here now that freenode seized the channel
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2021-06-14 13:07:03	GlemSom	Well, the issue can be replicated on Ubuntu too - so, doubt it's distribution relation...
2021-06-14 13:07:49	GlemSom	I would also assume it is some setting my cloud provider is using... I just can't get my head around what would stop the Linux kernel from updating the routing table accordingly... :/
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2021-06-14 13:14:17	xse	weird indeed and there's just 4 /proc settings with mtu in the filename
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2021-06-14 13:14:49	xse	might be worth just making a small script comparing all ipv4 settings on both
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2021-06-14 13:19:44	Nickwiz	Anyone using weechat and know of a workaround for laggy response to commands?
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2021-06-14 13:20:44	Nickwiz	I get that double exclamation at end of line when hitting enter. It takes about 1 sec from enter until command is executed
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2021-06-14 13:21:25	Nickwiz	On 3.1 I did /reload or /save to make it responsive, but upgraded to 3.2 and here that has no effect.
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2021-06-14 13:23:37	jamea	i have configured 1 ip   iface ens18 inet static     how to add a seconday ip of course different segment?
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2021-06-14 13:26:35	+oxek	Nickwiz: are you connected to weechat remotely or locally?
2021-06-14 13:26:53	Nickwiz	oxek: locally
2021-06-14 13:27:13	+oxek	and when you're typing, do the characters appear immediatelly?
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2021-06-14 13:27:47	Nickwiz	Yes. Typing has no lag. But any command or chat text lags
2021-06-14 13:27:54	Nickwiz	as in after Enter
2021-06-14 13:28:01	+oxek	even for things like /help?
2021-06-14 13:28:07	Nickwiz	Yes
2021-06-14 13:28:13	+oxek	can you try this:
2021-06-14 13:28:33	+oxek	`weechat -t`
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2021-06-14 13:29:00	+oxek	it will create a new weechat, with an empty profile. It will not modify anything in your main profile
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2021-06-14 13:29:08	+oxek	and see if you have the same issue there
2021-06-14 13:29:35	Nickwiz	yes. That is responsive (normal)
2021-06-14 13:29:54	+oxek	hmm
2021-06-14 13:30:02	+oxek	in that case it has something to do with your configuration
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2021-06-14 13:30:37	goppo	hi
2021-06-14 13:30:39	+oxek	you can try closing your current weechat, and starting it as `weechat -p` or `weechat -s`, which disables autoloading of plugins or scripts respectively
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2021-06-14 13:31:26	+oxek	I run weechat as well, and don't observe the behavior you're experiencing
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2021-06-14 13:31:47	goppo	i have a question about process isolation. from my understanding, each process has its memory isolated and other processes cannot write to it. but can other processes read from it?
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2021-06-14 13:32:29	goppo	the wikipedia article only mentions writes but nothing on reads https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_isolation
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2021-06-14 13:33:21	Nickwiz	Thanks. I'll test around. I'll have a look at plugins etc.
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2021-06-14 13:33:48	+oxek	Nickwiz: you can also run `/set diff` in weechat to see what config files are changed from default, and maybe you'll spot something strange in there
2021-06-14 13:33:51	Samizdat	Just for fun, have a .50 revolver on the other hip, as a wokemobile-stopper, in case the fool has a notion to run you down after deciding bodily confrontation's not wise.
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2021-06-14 13:35:13	+oxek	goppo: in general, most processes can read things in memory that are not owned by those processes
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2021-06-14 13:36:06	xse	Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS
2021-06-14 13:36:15	xse	**the home of FOSS**
2021-06-14 13:36:23	goppo	oxek right. but why is that? memory isolation wouldn't be so isolated then?
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2021-06-14 13:37:39	goppo	is it useful for processes to read the memory owned by other processes though?
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2021-06-14 13:41:55	Nickwiz	oxek: Sounds like a plan. Can not see anything that jumps out. But I'll have a closer look.
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2021-06-14 13:43:29	xse	heyy look at that we reached 500 users
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2021-06-14 13:44:25	jellyb	hello
2021-06-14 13:44:37	xse	hi
2021-06-14 13:44:46	xse	welcome to the home of FOSS
2021-06-14 13:44:57	jellyb	ty
2021-06-14 13:45:02	+oxek	goppo: there are ways of protecting this memory from reads through various mechanisms. A lot of the time reads are simply permitted because everything running on the machine should be trusted.
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2021-06-14 13:47:01	trench	https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/ l33t
2021-06-14 13:47:19	+oxek	trench: that's a different channel
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2021-06-14 13:48:14	trench	it was redirected here when I try to join
2021-06-14 13:48:28	trench	[14/06/21-19:46] [freenode] -!- ##linux #linux Forwarding to another channel
2021-06-14 13:48:45	trench	so freenode staff is fucked
2021-06-14 13:49:21	+oxek	trench: saves typing an extra character, it's now #linux :)
2021-06-14 13:49:46	trench	oxek: they did the same thing to gnu and others
2021-06-14 13:49:50	xse	they lost so many communities that they removed the #/## rule
2021-06-14 13:50:05	trench	xse: no shit
2021-06-14 13:50:17	jellyb	ideally it shouldnt matter who manages a channel like this
2021-06-14 13:50:24	+oxek	trench: can't comment on other channels
2021-06-14 13:50:33	xse	fsf & gnu were taken over too indeed
2021-06-14 13:50:37	+oxek	jellyb: and it doesn't
2021-06-14 13:51:00	xse	but don't worry, freenode is the home of FOSS
2021-06-14 13:51:03	trench	jellyb: ofc it does.. you mean the same thing about your computer or home too?
2021-06-14 13:51:23	antiloopa	ARIYA 1100 https://dchub.one/temp/Music/ARIYA/%d0%90%d1%80%d0%b8%d1%8f%20-%2030%20%d0%bb%d0%b5%d1%82%20(Live)/%d0%90%d1%80%d0%b8%d1%8f%20-%201100%20(Live)%20(Live).mp3
2021-06-14 13:51:35	xse	wooohoooo an mp3
2021-06-14 13:51:39	jellyb	its a tech support channel
2021-06-14 13:51:45	jellyb	mods deal with spam etc
2021-06-14 13:51:57	jellyb	its not complicated
2021-06-14 13:52:01	trench	jellyb: that's the server staff's job
2021-06-14 13:52:02	xse	nowadays mods are also the only ones answering people's question
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2021-06-14 13:52:17	+oxek	why would it matter who manages a channel about such a broad topic as linux, as long as someone manages it at all?
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2021-06-14 13:52:39	trench	oxek: because this is not the opensource rule
2021-06-14 13:52:54	trench	oxek: this is not democrazy that FOSS is all about
2021-06-14 13:53:24	trench	oxek: this is starting to sound like germany in the 30's
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2021-06-14 13:53:44	trench	oxek: who would want that?
2021-06-14 13:53:58	+oxek	trench: foss is not democracy, linus even describes himself as a dictator, although a benevolent one
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2021-06-14 13:54:35	trench	oxek: that's why it's going to hell also
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2021-06-14 13:54:44	+oxek	trench: linux is doing pretty well
2021-06-14 13:54:54	jellyb	many of the channels on freenode are close to inactive now
2021-06-14 13:55:07	xse	nobody wants that, that's why there's not much discussions in most channels, that's why you only get lost people asking random questions and that why there's only freenode operators trying to answer people's questions
2021-06-14 13:55:07	Samizdat	Free software is preferable to open source.
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2021-06-14 13:55:18	+oxek	jellyb: in this channel, we mainly care about #linux, what happens in other channels is their business
2021-06-14 13:55:25	Samizdat	(free as in code, and as in free beer)
2021-06-14 13:55:35	trench	oxek: like when google and other corp. are taking over
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2021-06-14 13:55:43	Samizdat	Open source is just another unfree con job.
2021-06-14 13:55:50	trench	oxek: money is taking over Linux
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2021-06-14 13:56:57	+oxek	those are legitimate concerns, true
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2021-06-14 13:57:29	--	Mode #linux [+o oxek] by ChanServ
2021-06-14 13:57:38	Samizdat	 /ignore fling all
2021-06-14 13:57:42	--	Mode #linux [+q $a:antiloopa] by oxek
2021-06-14 13:57:45	Samizdat	Word.
2021-06-14 13:57:49	--	Mode #linux [-o oxek] by ChanServ
2021-06-14 13:58:00	xse	i actually joined ##python earlier today, nobody talked so far, i really hope it'll become a snake channel that'd be hillarious but people don't seem ready to discuss they favorite species
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2021-06-14 13:58:32	goppo	oxek right. is MPK one of the mechanisms for protecting memory reads? is there any other though?
2021-06-14 13:58:41	Samizdat	I'm old school.  Ask permission to PM, or expect autoignore.
2021-06-14 13:58:49	Samizdat	Capisce?
2021-06-14 13:59:11	fling	https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
2021-06-14 13:59:12	+oxek	a good rule, to ask if one can PM
2021-06-14 13:59:30	fling	opensource is worse than a blob
2021-06-14 13:59:59	Samizdat	And anyone who opens an unsolicited PM is a schmuck.
2021-06-14 14:00:09	+oxek	goppo: it is, but that particular one is not something I dealt with
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2021-06-14 14:00:43	+oxek	Samizdat: btw freenode offers +g usermode, which makes it so that you have to confirm you wish to receive a PM
2021-06-14 14:00:50	Samizdat	cool
2021-06-14 14:00:51	trench	|[14/06/21-20:00] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Information on ##python:
2021-06-14 14:00:51	trench	|[14/06/21-20:00] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Founder    : tjr
2021-06-14 14:00:52	trench	[14/06/21-20:00] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Registered : Jun 12 18:21:48 2021 (1d 23h 38m 42s ago)
2021-06-14 14:00:56	trench	yeah right
2021-06-14 14:00:58	phibs	get ript
2021-06-14 14:01:00	goppo	oxek right. are there software mechanisms though?
2021-06-14 14:01:06	trench	that channel was reregistred
2021-06-14 14:01:09	trench	taken over
2021-06-14 14:01:20	trench	another nice move
2021-06-14 14:01:29	phibs	more users lost to libera lol
2021-06-14 14:01:37	jellyb	its partly because people who have moved their channels to libera continue to sit on the freenode equivalent
2021-06-14 14:01:39	xse	actually freenode forced every user to move to this new channel
2021-06-14 14:01:42	+oxek	goppo: commonly virtual machines and containers fully isolate processes from each other
2021-06-14 14:02:19	Samizdat	On on libera for the heckling opportunities.
2021-06-14 14:02:27	jellyb	if you ask me
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2021-06-14 14:02:30	phibs	I'm on freenode for that
2021-06-14 14:02:42	Samizdat	Everyone needs a hobby.
2021-06-14 14:03:02	jellyb	rasengan should have distanced himself immediately and appointed somebody respected in the foss community until things settled down
2021-06-14 14:03:09	trench	https://isfreenodedeadyet.com
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2021-06-14 14:03:12	jellyb	but its just hindsight
2021-06-14 14:03:14	trench	kind of like this one :P
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2021-06-14 14:03:40	phibs	jellyb: I nominate RMS
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2021-06-14 14:03:43	+oxek	can we focus on linux, as opposed to other channels and coulda/woulda/shoulda?
2021-06-14 14:04:10	phibs	Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS
2021-06-14 14:04:20	xse	this is the "and more" part i guess
2021-06-14 14:04:46	trench	oxek: so why do you want to stay in a channel where you have no saying?
2021-06-14 14:04:52	phibs	https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1397384190644002818
2021-06-14 14:04:54	phibs	amazing
2021-06-14 14:05:13	+oxek	trench: because people still talk about linux in here, and help each other?
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2021-06-14 14:05:41	Samizdat	The freenode/libera split is but a microcosm of the real-world split, as more and more normal Westerners (not only United-Statesians) awaken to the real threat of the woke grey goo.
2021-06-14 14:06:05	phibs	Samizdat: are you insane or ... special?
2021-06-14 14:06:17	+oxek	please avoid politics in this channel. Every network is free to have its own linux channel.
2021-06-14 14:06:36	trench	phibs: looks like he is a little bit of everything
2021-06-14 14:06:40	phibs	lol
2021-06-14 14:07:28	trench	oxek: okey.. what is your flavour of Linux and I have been using Linux since 91 with kernel 1.1.10
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2021-06-14 14:07:37	xse	i mean so far i've only seen you helping others oxek ^^ which is nice don't get me wrong, but it's more "freenode staff tries to help lost people that didn't realize their community moved"
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2021-06-14 14:08:04	trench	oxek: it has gone to shit since that time. I like FreeBSD and OpenBSD more and more now because of this
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2021-06-14 14:08:47	xse	yeah i still own a linux machine, an old rpi with archlinuxarm, but server are all bsds i feel it's simpler, it doesn't break
2021-06-14 14:08:48	+oxek	xse: people do pop in and talk, there are times when it is quiet such as now
2021-06-14 14:08:51	goppo	oxek thanks!
2021-06-14 14:09:08	+oxek	trench: I like strawberry flavor of linux :)
2021-06-14 14:09:19	trench	oxek: strawberry?
2021-06-14 14:09:29	+oxek	trench: it's a bad joke, I'm not good at jokes :(
2021-06-14 14:09:42	trench	oxek: you mean a lot
2021-06-14 14:09:48	trench	you have a hard time choosing?
2021-06-14 14:09:49	mlu	pkg + ports on *BSD just work better: the bases are more consistent, and it's just easier to bump up packages to the latest versions
2021-06-14 14:10:19	+oxek	trench: I'm most familiar with debian, and then debian-derived distros, but also deal with some minimal distros for containers or VMs
2021-06-14 14:11:15	trench	oxek: but ubuntu and debian is so far behind on new things
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2021-06-14 14:11:41	trench	oxek: they are starting to be the stable grandmother in the gang
2021-06-14 14:11:46	+oxek	they focus on different things, not every wants new things all the time
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2021-06-14 14:12:31	trench	oxek: but there has to be a difrence between being the grandmother and the speedy runer
2021-06-14 14:12:35	ruph	Oh. is this the fake #linux channel?
2021-06-14 14:12:44	xse	yup, welcome to the home of FOSS
2021-06-14 14:12:53	+oxek	ruph: fake? As far as I can tell, people can and do talk linux here
2021-06-14 14:12:55	phibs	ruph: yep, taken over by choads
2021-06-14 14:13:04	ruph	I cannot join ##linux anymore, it reroutes me here.
2021-06-14 14:13:12	trench	ruph: yeah... all the old timers switched to libra.chat
2021-06-14 14:13:20	ruph	so it is true.
2021-06-14 14:13:24	CrystalMath	illibera
2021-06-14 14:13:30	phibs	trench: s/old timers/people with dignity/intelligent/
2021-06-14 14:13:31	mlu	ruph: different people run this one, if that's what you're asking
2021-06-14 14:13:36	+oxek	trench: true. I haven't however experienced big obstacles towards running latest software on debian, if I compile it myself or use packages provided from upstream.
2021-06-14 14:13:36	phibs	intelligence *
2021-06-14 14:13:41	+oxek	there's also backports
2021-06-14 14:13:47	phibs	mlu: different people took this one over.... i'd not say 'run'
2021-06-14 14:13:47	CrystalMath	phibs: lol you can't even write a sed command properly
2021-06-14 14:14:04	phibs	no coffee yet
2021-06-14 14:14:15	mlu	phibs: yep
2021-06-14 14:14:21	CrystalMath	no one with dignity or intelligence would go to illibera
2021-06-14 14:14:29	Samizdat	I have a thermos of deliecious Doubhboy's decaffeinated.
2021-06-14 14:14:29	+oxek	phibs: ideally a channel like this doesn't need 'running'. Just dealing with spam and other nuisances.
2021-06-14 14:14:32	trench	oxek: so then you have to compile it on every machine or make your own repo which makes it even more fragmentet
2021-06-14 14:14:37	ruph	mlu: Yes, that was exactly it.
2021-06-14 14:14:43	CrystalMath	oxek: yep
2021-06-14 14:14:51	Samizdat	CrystalMath: except to heckle them.
2021-06-14 14:14:56	ruph	CrystalMath: Why would noone go there?
2021-06-14 14:15:09	phibs	I mean, you're asking a reactos developer, lol
2021-06-14 14:15:12	phibs	drugs are involved
2021-06-14 14:15:19	Samizdat	delicious, too (fingers ain' workin)'
2021-06-14 14:15:37	+oxek	caffeine is a drug, and we wouldn't have linux without it (probably)
2021-06-14 14:15:46	CrystalMath	ruph: because they exist only to destroy freenode, that's how petty they are
2021-06-14 14:16:01	ruph	Destroy freenode?
2021-06-14 14:16:01	Samizdat	Decaf gives me the flavor, without the migraines.
2021-06-14 14:16:02	CrystalMath	also while they were here they were destroying the place with their strictness
2021-06-14 14:16:08	phibs	CrystalMath: are you unaware of the world?
2021-06-14 14:16:32	ruph	CrystalMath: Huh, never heard of that before...
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2021-06-14 14:16:48	mlu	one of the things I like about IRC is that it's like bars / parties: you show up to the ones where the people are, and you can choose multiple
2021-06-14 14:16:49	phibs	ruph: https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202106/goodbye_freenode.html
2021-06-14 14:16:55	CrystalMath	ruph: most of my friends got k-lined, and now they got k-lined from libera
2021-06-14 14:17:11	CrystalMath	ruph: but they're here on freenode, happily sharing their sometimes right-wing opinions
2021-06-14 14:17:13	phibs	CrystalMath: maybe find new friends
2021-06-14 14:17:21	Samizdat	Someone at libera said "freenode is political as hell now" and I thought, "And the *bad* news is?"
2021-06-14 14:17:28	mlu	CrystalMath: I've found the opposite scenario to be the case
2021-06-14 14:17:32	ruph	CrystalMath: Well, if this is a right-wing place now...
2021-06-14 14:17:34	phibs	haha has freenode become trumpland?
2021-06-14 14:17:42	CrystalMath	ruph: no it's just an open place
2021-06-14 14:17:47	Samizdat	I certainly hope so.
2021-06-14 14:17:50	afdggg	Hi there, I have a problem with my new lenovo thinkpad, once in few boots it get stuck just after "[ OK ] Reached target Sound Card., when it's successfuly boots (after a few resets) I see the next step is by starting ModemManager. Might got stuck on it.. any idea why?
2021-06-14 14:17:54	CrystalMath	allowing something doesn't immediately mean endorsing that
2021-06-14 14:18:01	CrystalMath	i allow *everything*, i don't endorse everything
2021-06-14 14:18:06	CrystalMath	but i love freedom of speech
2021-06-14 14:18:11	Samizdat	(that it's President-Trump-land [to you])
2021-06-14 14:18:23	phibs	i've never seen someone k-lined for politics in an appropriate channel....
2021-06-14 14:18:39	phibs	Samizdat: ex-president global disgrace twice impeached one term POS to you
2021-06-14 14:18:42	+oxek	afdggg: always booting from a proper shutdown, or from sleep/hibernation?
2021-06-14 14:18:48	xse	i've seen many k-lined for what you could consider freedom of speech on freenode recently :p
2021-06-14 14:19:00	phibs	xse: freenode sure, libera i'd bet $ that's not the case
2021-06-14 14:19:03	Samizdat	Make that "*President*-Trump-land (to you)."
2021-06-14 14:19:10	ruph	Freedom of speech as in "let everyone say anything unopposed" or freedom of speech as in "we can discuss anything"?
2021-06-14 14:19:16	Samizdat	Dang, what happened to asterisk bolding?
2021-06-14 14:19:29	+oxek	Samizdat: that's a client feature
2021-06-14 14:19:30	phibs	that's a client side feature....
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2021-06-14 14:19:57	xse	maybe freenode will take irc to the next level by making that a server feature
2021-06-14 14:20:00	CrystalMath	phibs: okay so if someone once writes the word "tranny" on a place without any hateful context, without even clearing up that they didn't mean "transmission", do you think that's worth a week of a k-line? Fuchs does
2021-06-14 14:20:03	xse	that's a good reason to stay here
2021-06-14 14:20:04	Samizdat	No, the " and - blew up bolding in my face.
2021-06-14 14:20:14	+oxek	xse: maybe the webchat already has it
2021-06-14 14:20:17	Samizdat	Operator error.
2021-06-14 14:20:18	CrystalMath	phibs: this happened to my friend rtn0
2021-06-14 14:20:41	phibs	saying tranny is already hateful
2021-06-14 14:20:44	Samizdat	Too many woke still here.  The migration is incomplete.
2021-06-14 14:20:45	CrystalMath	phibs: also to clarify that this is libera/staff/fuchs
2021-06-14 14:20:54	phibs	in what channel?
2021-06-14 14:21:04	CrystalMath	phibs: this channel was ##goodolddays, a retrocomputing place
2021-06-14 14:21:16	Samizdat	I'd be happy to donate as many satoshis as it took to foster migration completion of the woke to libera.
2021-06-14 14:21:21	CrystalMath	phibs: which Fuchs eventually shut down completely
2021-06-14 14:21:22	afdggg	oxek, mm not exactly sure, here this the only options? booting with sysrq f.e, or after a poweron, not sure about the hibernation if it's on or not (I don't think it's from this)
2021-06-14 14:21:23	phibs	pretty lame to k-line over that
2021-06-14 14:21:32	Samizdat	Satoshi's are dang near valuable these days.
2021-06-14 14:21:39	Samizdat	Satoshis, rather
2021-06-14 14:21:58	+oxek	afdggg: assuming that it's not a hibernation/sleep problem, which are sadly still common, then I'd ask how new this machine is, and what version of the kernel you're running
2021-06-14 14:22:10	+oxek	often new machines need a recent version of the kernel in order to boot properly
2021-06-14 14:22:16	CrystalMath	phibs: Fuchs was always that strict, he k-lined anyone who isn't a communist basically, even the owner of ##goodolddays a bunch of times
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2021-06-14 14:22:44	xse	damn beside #freenode we lost every channels with more than 1k users
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2021-06-14 14:22:50	phibs	maybe fuchs is a tranny
2021-06-14 14:23:03	CrystalMath	phibs: the owner said that he doesn't support LGBT, without any hate attached to that, and boom, k-lined by Fuchs
2021-06-14 14:23:03	phibs	6 speed manual
2021-06-14 14:23:04	trench	oxek: freenode staff has always been shady.. but this is taking it to whole other level
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2021-06-14 14:23:22	phibs	trench: never had any issues w/ freenode staff (pre-takeover)
2021-06-14 14:23:25	afdggg	oxek, Well Idd it was a real pain since it seems the WiFi driver doesn't work properly from the ubuntu 20.04, after Installing 21.04 and dist-upgrade it seems to work properly, but then this boot thingy kernel 5.11
2021-06-14 14:23:42	mlu	things were fine until the new staff basically klined all my friends on here
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2021-06-14 14:24:00	CrystalMath	phibs: fuchs only has only two speeds, neutral and ban
2021-06-14 14:24:05	afdggg	oxek, I think this ThinkPad it pretty new:X|
2021-06-14 14:24:06	trench	oxek: I have been to a police interigation because of christel or mindcrime back in the 90's in Norway
2021-06-14 14:24:07	xse	things were fine until the ~30 channels i was on were all seized
2021-06-14 14:24:31	jellyb	these were channels that probably had already moved
2021-06-14 14:24:34	phibs	xse: wonder who did that :)
2021-06-14 14:24:36	trench	phibs: well they had their ups and downs too
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2021-06-14 14:24:40	jellyb	and were maintaining a dual presence, just because
2021-06-14 14:24:41	phibs	sure
2021-06-14 14:24:42	Samizdat	That's right, the beatings ensue if you pledge mere neutrality.  Only absolute fealty is acceptable to the woke kooks.
2021-06-14 14:24:52	phibs	jellyb: why would anyone sieze them though?
2021-06-14 14:24:54	Samizdat	What a scourge on humanity.
2021-06-14 14:25:05	phibs	is it fascistnode or freenode?
2021-06-14 14:25:08	ruph	Wow, this has gone down quickly.
2021-06-14 14:25:25	xse	welcome to the home of FOSS
2021-06-14 14:25:39	+oxek	afdggg: I don't know how 21.04 is, I only run LTS versions of Ubuntu, but I'd suggest checking whether you have all the required firmware blobs installed
2021-06-14 14:25:51	ruph	Yeah, I think I' already done here.
2021-06-14 14:25:51	+oxek	afdggg: try grepping dmesg for 'firmware' and see if anything is missing
2021-06-14 14:25:52	trench	phibs: fascistnode
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2021-06-14 14:26:28	CrystalMath	phibs: what does fascism mean to you? to me, i associate it with strictness, intimidation, and force
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2021-06-14 14:26:34	CrystalMath	and that is what i see on libera
2021-06-14 14:26:41	CrystalMath	or i should say, illibera
2021-06-14 14:26:53	jellyb	theres potential for new management to be more active than the ones who have already checked out
2021-06-14 14:27:05	+oxek	lets wrap this conversation up, it is devolving into something that's not going to help nor educate anyone
2021-06-14 14:27:10	afdggg	oxek, why lts only? and yes there was with the ubuntu 20.04 many firmware errors.. and a file that was missing, I looked some of this errors in google, and couldn't find any good explanations or a good solution for this.. or you may have the solution?:x
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2021-06-14 14:27:17	CrystalMath	phibs: i just want to know, why is simply allowing all kinds of opinions fascist?
2021-06-14 14:27:21	CrystalMath	that's all
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2021-06-14 14:27:47	phibs	CrystalMath: taking over channels, not allowing opionions
2021-06-14 14:28:01	+oxek	afdggg: usually what you'd need is installing some firmware packages, and the messages in `dmesg` would tell you the filenames that would be provided by those packages
2021-06-14 14:28:05	phibs	jellyb: is that what you say when someone comes in an takes over a project? lol
2021-06-14 14:28:16	phibs	hi i'm hitler, your new leader......
2021-06-14 14:28:20	phibs	oxek: good luck w/ that
2021-06-14 14:28:27	jellyb	they had already moved
2021-06-14 14:28:30	Samizdat	Here's the new meme: wooks.  The wooks.  "Can you use that in a (complete) sentence, Samizdat?"  Why soytainly, spelling bee judge, glad to, "The wooks are gradually migrating from freenode to libera, but some bitter clingers remain."
2021-06-14 14:28:36	phibs	jellyb: so?
2021-06-14 14:28:36	CrystalMath	phibs: that is simply to combat spam, if you haven't noticed, there are bots everywhere trying to get people over to illibera, and channels of those who have been fooled have that in the topic
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2021-06-14 14:28:46	phibs	CrystalMath: I mean, MAGA
2021-06-14 14:28:47	afdggg	oxek, sounds legit, but what should I do when this errors occurs, what does it mean?
2021-06-14 14:29:24	trench	CrystalMath: you actually think libera staff is doing that?
2021-06-14 14:29:34	+oxek	afdggg: try getting the output of dmesg, and paste it on some pastebin service
2021-06-14 14:29:43	phibs	CrystalMath: seemingly a MAGAt, they believe a lot of bs
2021-06-14 14:30:02	afdggg	oxek, so you think I should go back to the LTS and try handle these errors instead of using 21.04?
2021-06-14 14:30:02	trench	afdggg: so people can look at it and laught about Linux :P
2021-06-14 14:30:07	CrystalMath	trench: no, not the bots, but the lies yes
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2021-06-14 14:30:36	trench	CrystalMath: what lies? I have read documents from former staff
2021-06-14 14:30:51	CrystalMath	trench: precisely those
2021-06-14 14:30:55	+oxek	afdggg: it's a possibility if you want to get into that. There might be something in 21.04 that's causing this, and 20.04 LTS with firmware packages would work fine instead.
2021-06-14 14:31:04	+oxek	but perhaps it could be solved on 21.04 as well
2021-06-14 14:31:09	trench	CrystalMath: I know christel pretty well, she didn't just give away freenode.. that would make no sense to her
2021-06-14 14:31:11	afdggg	oxek, just shame that windows that came with that machine worked properly out of the box:((
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2021-06-14 14:31:27	+oxek	afdggg: even bigger shame that it was compulsory to pay for that windows licence :(
2021-06-14 14:31:35	CrystalMath	trench: rasengan was the main one paying for it since 2013, why wouldn't she sell it to him? she was just in the middle
2021-06-14 14:31:36	afdggg	haha
2021-06-14 14:31:40	Samizdat	Dang, just remembered -- "wook" and "wooks" are already taken.  Refers to women who always look like they just got out of the shower, flustered, need cigarettes, caffeine, money, job, etc.
2021-06-14 14:31:41	CrystalMath	trench: also that happened in 2017
2021-06-14 14:31:50	Samizdat	Back to the drawing board.
2021-06-14 14:31:54	CrystalMath	Samizdat: oh i didn't know
2021-06-14 14:31:58	CrystalMath	not a native speaker though
2021-06-14 14:32:07	trench	CrystalMath: paying? it was run on mostyly free servers
2021-06-14 14:32:10	Samizdat	Yeah, "wook" is a fun one.
2021-06-14 14:32:15	afdggg	oxek, Ok I'll try create again the 20.04 usb and install from it, I'll bbs with the dmesg output
2021-06-14 14:32:26	CrystalMath	trench: ah, i see you believe money falls from the sky
2021-06-14 14:32:31	CrystalMath	trench: like others on libera
2021-06-14 14:32:50	CrystalMath	i mean... illibera
2021-06-14 14:32:58	trench	CrystalMath: I know some of the hosters of the ircd's and they don't pay for the servers
2021-06-14 14:32:58	xse	salty :)
2021-06-14 14:33:02	Samizdat	"Wook" was around before "woke," unfortunately.
2021-06-14 14:33:12	trench	CrystalMath: it's called donations
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2021-06-14 14:33:26	CrystalMath	trench: yeah sure, you can fight DDoS with good will and altruism
2021-06-14 14:33:37	CrystalMath	communism works so well, that's why the USSR is still going strong
2021-06-14 14:33:52	Samizdat	And Cuba.
2021-06-14 14:33:59	trench	CrystalMath: most of the hw that ircd's run on campus hw or hw donated by vendors..
2021-06-14 14:33:59	Samizdat	And North Korea.
2021-06-14 14:34:02	CrystalMath	Samizdat: oh right, forgot the #1 superpower
2021-06-14 14:34:09	Samizdat	lol
2021-06-14 14:34:11	trench	CrystalMath: check were the servers are located..
2021-06-14 14:34:14	xse	korea ? hmmm sounds familiar
2021-06-14 14:34:29	Samizdat	"Cuber," as JFK would say.
2021-06-14 14:34:41	phibs	man this chan is full of MAGA trolls now lol
2021-06-14 14:34:43	trench	CrystalMath: your taxes payes for the links
2021-06-14 14:34:53	jellyb	lol
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2021-06-14 14:35:07	trench	phibs: Trump takeover
2021-06-14 14:35:14	xse	MURICA
2021-06-14 14:35:15	jellyb	not many linux users among the maga types i think
2021-06-14 14:35:16	phibs	IQ went down 100 points
2021-06-14 14:35:43	trench	only stoners left
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2021-06-14 14:35:55	jellyb	its odd that there isnt an america themed distro
2021-06-14 14:36:04	+oxek	there probably is
2021-06-14 14:36:16	+oxek	with the wallpaper being the flag, and login sound being some eagle screech
2021-06-14 14:36:22	Samizdat	MAGA's the only thing that's rescued American IQ from freefall.
2021-06-14 14:36:24	xse	that'd be funny, with a service that keeps cpu at 100% just because climate change isn't real
2021-06-14 14:36:26	+oxek	I mean, there's hannah montana distro
2021-06-14 14:36:30	+oxek	and rebecca black one as well
2021-06-14 14:36:34	Samizdat	I want what *you're* smokin.'
2021-06-14 14:36:35	android	jellyb: great idea
2021-06-14 14:36:38	CrystalMath	oxek: that would be funny
2021-06-14 14:36:48	CrystalMath	Murica Linux :P
2021-06-14 14:36:59	+oxek	a lot of these distros are just debian/ubuntu reskinned
2021-06-14 14:37:01	CrystalMath	(no GNU, according to Oracle GNU is anti-american)
2021-06-14 14:37:12	CrystalMath	or who was it that said that, SCO?
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2021-06-14 14:37:20	trench	it should be harder to install an irc client
2021-06-14 14:37:22	+oxek	they use the same repos as debian, but have different default packages
2021-06-14 14:38:15	kjjaeger	SCO and Oracle have similar legal strategies ... so confusion is understandable
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2021-06-14 14:40:47	Samizdat	The wokenicians have to devote huge amounts of computing resources to make sure any live feed featuring Herr Wokenfuhrer Klaus Schwab is cut off immediately if his SS paraphernalia should appear in a wardrobe failure.
2021-06-14 14:41:06	CrystalMath	wokenfuhrer is funny
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2021-06-14 14:41:50	phibs	Samizdat: LOL is the Nevada sun frying your brain?
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2021-06-14 14:45:15	jellyb	im hearing some strange rumors about this klaus schwab
2021-06-14 14:45:24	jellyb	thinking if i should try reading his book
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2021-06-14 14:50:25	udet	why was everyone kicked?
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2021-06-14 14:50:54	phibs	lolol
2021-06-14 14:51:10	xse	welcome to the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 14:53:13	+oxek	udet: this is the new channel for linux and all about it
2021-06-14 14:53:40	xse	udet: you can check out https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/ for an explaination
2021-06-14 14:53:53	+oxek	keep in mind that that is a different channel
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2021-06-14 14:55:34	xse	which is not mentioned anywhere btw, in fear of driving lost users away
2021-06-14 14:56:14	+oxek	"lost users". They are looking for linux discussion and help, and #linux is about that
2021-06-14 14:56:24	xse	quite disingenuous for people who did not want to fragment communities
2021-06-14 14:56:30	phibs	oxek: not this one lol
2021-06-14 14:56:48	+oxek	phibs: how is this channel not about linux?
2021-06-14 14:57:39	JimBuntu	This channel is for anything related to Linux, right? Since the topic says 'Linux talk'
2021-06-14 14:57:47	jellyb	yeah
2021-06-14 14:57:56	+oxek	sounds right
2021-06-14 14:58:28	bayside_gorgon	Is Dresden around this channel?
2021-06-14 14:58:37	+oxek	maybe not this linux though http://www.roeschswiss.com/en/11_linux
2021-06-14 14:58:43	bayside_gorgon	send me a /msg if you are
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2021-06-14 14:59:06	+oxek	bayside_gorgon: they are not online right now
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2021-06-14 14:59:11	JimBuntu	So, basically the same thing as ##linux, but slightly different name, different leadership and only some overlap to regulars in the past?
2021-06-14 14:59:19	bayside_gorgon	oxek: thanks
2021-06-14 14:59:33	+oxek	bayside_gorgon: you can try /msg MemoServ HELP
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2021-06-14 14:59:53	JimBuntu	MemoServ is awesome
2021-06-14 14:59:55	+oxek	JimBuntu: faster to type with one fewer # :)
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2021-06-14 15:00:20	bayside_gorgon	oxek: nice! I was unaware of this memoserve feature, this is great!
2021-06-14 15:00:23	xse	JimBuntu: way less people, way less discussions, most regulars and most active people left
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2021-06-14 15:00:31	phibs	lovely, freenode jackasses took over my channel today too
2021-06-14 15:00:34	+oxek	and community channels about a broad topic like linux don't need 'leadership', just someone to deal with spam and other nuisances
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2021-06-14 15:01:22	+oxek	bayside_gorgon: MemoServ, not MemoServE - mind the lack of E at the end
2021-06-14 15:01:56	JimBuntu	hrm. I would expect MemoServE to be a protected namespace, maybe not (yet) though
2021-06-14 15:02:20	xse	hehe, you know they already fucked up by leaving nickserv unprotected so at that point who cares
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2021-06-14 15:02:46	+oxek	xse: there are still many discussions in this channel, and you have been contributing to it for many hours now :)
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2021-06-14 15:03:37	JimBuntu	I'll start a linux based discussion... I finally retired my Chumby
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2021-06-14 15:06:06	JimBuntu	To anyone paying attention... any of you built a custom kernel or packages for the Chumby family of devices?
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2021-06-14 15:08:23	+oxek	first time I see that
2021-06-14 15:08:29	+oxek	or just slipped out of my memory
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2021-06-14 15:10:09	JimBuntu	heh, ok.  Yeah, kind of old nowadays and while they got picked up and rebranded/redesigned by companies like Sony and Best Buy's in-house Insignia? brand... I don't think they ever got all that popular... too early for their time
2021-06-14 15:10:40	xse	oxek: yup, anything i can do for our new king
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2021-06-14 15:12:23	xse	my bad
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2021-06-14 15:13:20	JimBuntu	wow, if the country existed, that would be a high crime
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2021-06-14 15:17:59	xse	it does like lee really is prince of korea or smth like that
2021-06-14 15:18:21	JimBuntu	Yeah, but it's the unified Korea, so doesn't exist
2021-06-14 15:19:05	JimBuntu	I'll have to ask Drew details about that, but that's not for here.
2021-06-14 15:19:17	xse	so like fake prince of korea ? boi that's even more hillarious
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2021-06-14 15:21:30	+oxek	korea is a republic
2021-06-14 15:22:07	android	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Daulton_Lee
2021-06-14 15:22:17	CrystalMath	xse: the correct term is Crown Prince, and that means someone who would be the emperor, but isn't because the country no longer recognizes its royal family
2021-06-14 15:22:36	CrystalMath	xse: a crown prince is next in line but has no power at the moment
2021-06-14 15:22:40	+oxek	CrystalMath: that's not the right term
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2021-06-14 15:22:54	CrystalMath	oxek: that's what i heard
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2021-06-14 15:23:23	xse	indeed, damn one letter short of being a clown prince
2021-06-14 15:24:07	jellyb	hes got some power
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2021-06-14 15:24:55	xse	mainly because money is power or real political power of some sort ?
2021-06-14 15:27:06	CrystalMath	i do understand that the free software community distrusts royalty, because of the general distrust of authority, but i don't think it's fair to insult someone because of it
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2021-06-14 15:33:58	JimBuntu	I don't think the FOSS community distrusts royalty due to a distrust of authority, it's because of how the authority is gained
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2021-06-14 15:34:58	JimBuntu	The Linux community has loved authority, imho, of course it wasn't very hard most of the time since the terms were pretty simple
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2021-06-14 15:36:33	+oxek	there's almost no legitimate royalty left in the world, and even fewer of them are in any power. So FOSS & royalty are orthogonal
2021-06-14 15:36:51	+oxek	I don't think I've ever seen any royalty on the kernel mailing lists
2021-06-14 15:37:00	+oxek	aside from perhaps the old nigerian prince spam
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2021-06-14 15:38:48	CrystalMath	JimBuntu: i'm too postmodern to care how someone gained authority, i look at the results
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2021-06-14 15:40:08	JimBuntu	Oh, I care, don't like people saying they are gifted something due to their bloodline, a gift from god, ha!  That's just me though.
2021-06-14 15:40:23	JimBuntu	That's also unrelated to Drew
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2021-06-14 15:50:05	xse	CrystalMath: i'm joking around you don't really think i insult the guy, he might have good intention idk, his actions however are hillarious, claiming freenode is FOSS and at the same time doing pretty much everything he can to drive away all communities i think is funny
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2021-06-14 15:51:53	afdggg	oxek, it took a lot of time for some reason, I get in the machie wired connection which seems very slow, the dmesg is right here: https://pastebin.com/S64KUVQr
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2021-06-14 15:56:23	+oxek	afdggg: looks like the only thing you need is a firmware package containing firmware for that intel wireless card
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2021-06-14 15:57:51	afdggg	Tryin' to clone the linux-firmware.git thingy, and check again. Is this something that happens a lot when getting a new machine?
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2021-06-14 16:00:13	+oxek	yes, most new machines require non-free firmware
2021-06-14 16:00:17	+oxek	or supplemental firmware files
2021-06-14 16:00:32	JimBuntu	afdggg, I'm all Linux in this house... 11 machines, none of them had this issue until I bought new wireless dongles for a couple laptops.
2021-06-14 16:00:56	+oxek	afdggg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Firmware
2021-06-14 16:01:01	+oxek	you don't need to clone the git repo
2021-06-14 16:01:12	+oxek	just get the package using `apt install NAME`
2021-06-14 16:01:30	+oxek	linux-firmware-nonfree is probably the one you need
2021-06-14 16:01:41	+oxek	and you need to enable the 'multiverse' repository, if you haven't done that yet
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2021-06-14 16:05:05	afdggg	oxek, can't find this package, also multiverse is enabled
2021-06-14 16:08:57	afdggg	also it doesn't seems to exists here: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/
2021-06-14 16:09:08	afdggg	not sure what does it mean
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2021-06-14 16:10:11	+oxek	it might be a firmware file that is not strictly required, and the intel kernel devs just left a reference to it in the driver
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2021-06-14 16:10:15	+oxek	does your wifi work?
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2021-06-14 16:12:36	afdggg	no it doesn't:)
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2021-06-14 16:17:54	+oxek	afdggg: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1338070/issues-with-iwlwifi-drivers-on-fresh-20-04-install#comment2284492_1338070
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2021-06-14 16:20:26	afdggg	oxek, this returns us to the origianl question then;x about the booting thingy
2021-06-14 16:20:49	afdggg	or do I must wait until somwhow this will fixed
2021-06-14 16:20:52	afdggg	? (less likely;x)
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2021-06-14 16:22:23	+oxek	afdggg: there should be a way of getting a newer kernel into ubuntu 20.04
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2021-06-14 16:25:58	afdggg	checking
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2021-06-14 16:26:51	+oxek	did you run `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` after installation?
2021-06-14 16:27:12	+oxek	it might bring some updates to the HWE kernel that ubuntu is using
2021-06-14 16:27:25	+oxek	but I don't know if ubuntu uses HWE kernels by default
2021-06-14 16:27:55	afdggg	oxek, not sure; upgrade == dist-upgrade ?
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2021-06-14 16:28:11	afdggg	because I did sudo apt dist-upgrade;x
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2021-06-14 16:28:21	+oxek	should be fine
2021-06-14 16:28:31	+oxek	dist-upgrade will perform upgrade as well
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2021-06-14 16:29:46	afdggg	so yeah, I did it right after installing the ubuntu;x anyway it takes some time, not sure why the wired internet is also super slow, but updating from 5.8 to 5.12
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2021-06-14 16:47:17	questi	who here using manjaro?
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2021-06-14 16:47:31	questi	do they update packages often?
2021-06-14 16:48:21	+oxek	questi: doesn't manjaro use archlinux repos?
2021-06-14 16:48:27	+oxek	then it shoudl update packages as often as arch
2021-06-14 16:48:48	questi	cool
2021-06-14 16:49:10	questi	going to check more perhaps
2021-06-14 16:49:18	questi	currently using ubuntu
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2021-06-14 16:49:21	+Prestige	I think they use their own repos
2021-06-14 16:49:31	+Prestige	but they do update just about as often
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2021-06-14 16:51:03	questi	yes someone told me they use own repos
2021-06-14 16:51:21	questi	ubuntu is ok however some packages are old
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2021-06-14 16:53:25	+oxek	questi: consider if you really need newer packages
2021-06-14 16:54:26	questi	ty
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2021-06-14 17:17:01	LeoNice81	I use fedora 34 and I'm wondering whats the best way to install appimages?
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2021-06-14 17:23:24	+oxek	LeoNice81: install? You download them, move them to some directory you want, make them executable and run them
2021-06-14 17:23:42	+oxek	there is some tooling there to help create shortcuts in menus though
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2021-06-14 17:37:47	@Hash	Eek!
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2021-06-14 17:38:25	@Hash	Hmm. I dual booted windows and ubuntu 20.04
2021-06-14 17:38:50	@Hash	Now when I reboot, always takes me to grub menu and I have to set root, insmod normal, normal and boot that way.
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2021-06-14 17:38:58	@Hash	Nothing I seem to do helps, like reinstalling grub.
2021-06-14 17:39:00	@Hash	:/
2021-06-14 17:39:06	onelegend	linux is awesome
2021-06-14 17:39:07	@Hash	I wonder what I did.
2021-06-14 17:39:13	@Hash	Certainly is.
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2021-06-14 17:40:11	Time-Warp	Why does Norway have barcodes on their battleships? So when they get back to port, they can Scandinavian
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2021-06-14 17:40:23	@Hash	LOL
2021-06-14 17:40:37	Time-Warp	:D
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2021-06-14 18:34:31	pi__	https://libera.chat
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2021-06-14 18:37:39	CrystalMath	pi__: what a terrible website
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2021-06-14 18:46:35	xse	indeed what an awful website, we're better here on freenode, our leader's actions keep driving away more and more communities ( https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus ) but don't worry, freenode is the home of FOSS
2021-06-14 18:47:01	xse	because freenode is FOSS
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2021-06-14 18:48:07	xse	and we have some revolutionary stuff incomming to take irc further to the next level!
2021-06-14 18:48:15	xse	such as, a BNC
2021-06-14 18:48:25	xse	or, a BBS
2021-06-14 18:48:43	xse	have a look at how well it's going https://bbs.freenode.net/
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2021-06-14 18:49:49	CrystalMath	xse: the BNC is rather nice
2021-06-14 18:49:52	CrystalMath	i should check out the BBS
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2021-06-14 18:51:03	xse	i actually did not check the chit stuff yet
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2021-06-14 18:51:43	xse	whelp, 26 users
2021-06-14 18:53:16	xse	another revolutionary idea that'll surely take irc further
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2021-06-14 18:56:18	xse	but lee couldn't have found a better name for ideas like that tbh
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2021-06-14 18:59:55	+oxek	xse: do you have any intention to actually talk about linux or anything at least somewhat related to linux or tech in this channel at some point, or are you just here to be disruptive?
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2021-06-14 19:02:49	xse	i mean all those revolutionary ideas i was talking about are tech related. I don't relly feel being disruptive given that there's not much linux conversion going on
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2021-06-14 19:04:57	+oxek	xse: ok, just try to keep it within reason
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2021-06-14 19:28:52	Butterfly^	when are you guys moving to libera?
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2021-06-14 19:32:50	+oxek	Butterfly^: we're not
2021-06-14 19:34:18	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: never in a thousand years
2021-06-14 19:34:41	Butterfly^	why?
2021-06-14 19:34:50	mlu	I have a presence in both -- it's just IRC
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2021-06-14 19:35:10	Butterfly^	libera already has 70% userbase compared to freenode, and a whole lot of freenode users are currently only still here to inform people able to move to libera
2021-06-14 19:35:12	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: i really don't like what they have done
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2021-06-14 19:36:00	Butterfly^	#linux on freenode has 1200 users
2021-06-14 19:36:03	Butterfly^	this one barely has 400
2021-06-14 19:36:06	+oxek	Butterfly^: there's a linux channel on every IRC network
2021-06-14 19:36:10	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: on freenode?
2021-06-14 19:36:12	Butterfly^	#linux on *libera has 1200 users
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2021-06-14 19:36:25	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: 400 is quite enough, don't you think?
2021-06-14 19:36:30	+oxek	that's like asking the #english channel, which is about asking questions regarding use of english, when they are moving to another network
2021-06-14 19:36:38	CrystalMath	i'd rather talk with these 400 on a network that doesn't attack other networks and tries to drain them
2021-06-14 19:36:52	Butterfly^	oxek : but channel used to have 1500 to 2000 users at times, now libera is over 3x bigger than this one
2021-06-14 19:36:57	+oxek	Butterfly^: so?
2021-06-14 19:37:03	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: see what i wrote
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2021-06-14 19:37:09	+oxek	there will always be #linux on freenode, there will always be #english on freenode, ...
2021-06-14 19:37:17	+oxek	it's community channels for talking about those topics
2021-06-14 19:37:20	Butterfly^	CrystalMath : it's dying
2021-06-14 19:37:40	Butterfly^	keep in mind, some of those users are free bouncers that people haven't used in months or years
2021-06-14 19:38:00	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: if everyone leaves because they think it's dying, it becomes true, but if people just believed otherwise it can surive
2021-06-14 19:38:01	Butterfly^	while the ones on libera are more likely to be actual users
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2021-06-14 19:39:26	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: most free bouncers i've seen boot you (and kill the account) if you're inactive for only 2 weeks
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2021-06-14 19:39:43	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: there's lots of us that love freenode
2021-06-14 19:39:53	Butterfly^	CrystalMath : i've seen free irc bouncers that will keep you online for years
2021-06-14 19:40:09	Butterfly^	CrystalMath : i loved freenode, but that has changed
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2021-06-14 19:40:27	LeoNice81_	whats the proper way to install an appimage, so its not still in downloads and it has a launch button in Gnome?
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2021-06-14 19:41:35	+oxek	LeoNice81_: https://github.com/TheAssassin/AppImageLauncher
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2021-06-14 19:41:54	+oxek	but it's not really necessary
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2021-06-14 19:42:24	+oxek	just download appimage, move it to a dir of your choice, make the file executable and run it. Setup a shortcut later if you want
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2021-06-14 19:43:02	+oxek	also consider if you really need appimages
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2021-06-14 19:43:22	+oxek	flatpak has a lot of advantages, snap is an option perhaps as well
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2021-06-14 19:43:53	Time-Wrap	oxek: oh yea flatpak is nie
2021-06-14 19:43:55	Time-Wrap	nice
2021-06-14 19:44:10	Time-Wrap	https://flathub.org/
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2021-06-14 19:44:22	+oxek	LeoNice81_: I think you mentioned you're on fedora, and fedora has nice integration with flatpak
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2021-06-14 19:44:26	+oxek	it's there by default
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2021-06-14 19:46:48	LeoNice81_	oxek, yeah, I'm just getting used to it, I haven't used linux since 2007
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2021-06-14 19:47:36	+oxek	LeoNice81_: welcome back to using linux then :)
2021-06-14 19:47:41	LeoNice81_	oxek, I tried finding it in Gnome Software, but it dosen't show up to it
2021-06-14 19:48:01	+oxek	LeoNice81_: finding what?
2021-06-14 19:48:06	LeoNice81_	oxek, yeah, its welcome back to computers in general! I've been incarcerated since 2007!
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2021-06-14 19:48:17	+oxek	LeoNice81_: welcome back to freedom then :)
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2021-06-14 19:53:00	Butterfly^	CrystalMath : i'll never be on rizon
2021-06-14 19:53:12	CrystalMath	oh i thought you're there
2021-06-14 19:53:17	CrystalMath	oops
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2021-06-14 19:53:38	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: then i guess at some point we'll lose contact
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2021-06-14 19:55:10	LeoNice81_	oxek, yeah now a need a decent job
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2021-06-14 19:55:41	Butterfly^	you can find me on libera
2021-06-14 19:55:55	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: no, i can't
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2021-06-14 19:56:01	Butterfly^	soon i'll close all channels on freenode and put them all on invite-only
2021-06-14 19:56:10	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: that's against the policy
2021-06-14 19:56:13	CrystalMath	expect staff
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2021-06-14 19:56:47	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: btw i feel about libera the same way you feel about rizon
2021-06-14 19:56:55	CrystalMath	Butterfly^: i think you're okay, but our politics are polar opposites
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2021-06-14 20:16:10	 *	Samizdat reports, "Good news!  Your Smalls Jazz Club, New York City live stream has restored the 720p, after a hiatus of several weeks: https://ustream.tv/embed/23240575 for the stream, and https://smallslive.com for lineups, archive, etc.  Bonus: the eavesdropping oppurtunities are much better now, with the new zoomed-in.  Even the hearing-challenged can get some of it, now that masks are no longer...
2021-06-14 20:16:12	 *	Samizdat ...in use."
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2021-06-14 20:24:29	Samizdat	"But how do I *record* the Smalls Jazz Club stream, Samizdat?"
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2021-06-14 20:24:40	Samizdat	You'll need streamlink for that.
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2021-06-14 20:25:10	Samizdat	Not the cleanest (as in streamlined code) program in the world, but it works.
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2021-06-14 20:28:17	Butterfly^	CrystalMath : politics are rarely polar opposites, we might disagree on quite some things, but i'm sure there's things we can also agree on
2021-06-14 20:28:46	jacki	the topic... is a bit outdated
2021-06-14 20:29:03	jacki	home of the FOSS ?
2021-06-14 20:29:14	Samizdat	"Heyyyyy!"
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2021-06-14 20:29:42	Samizdat	O -- wait -- that's the Fonz.
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2021-06-14 20:32:21	jacki	my question, about rc files
2021-06-14 20:32:55	jacki	i want to remove the theme buttons images in a rc file (gtk2), how ?
2021-06-14 20:33:20	swift110	hello all
2021-06-14 20:33:28	swift110	surprised you're still here
2021-06-14 20:33:55	xse	hi there, welcome to freenode, the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 20:37:56	Time-Wrap	hey Butterfly^
2021-06-14 20:38:07	Butterfly^	howdy
2021-06-14 20:38:11	Time-Wrap	long time no see
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2021-06-14 20:38:36	Butterfly^	been having some serious medical issues in the last 2,5 years
2021-06-14 20:38:58	--	oxek is now known as oxek_
2021-06-14 20:39:10	Butterfly^	currently very highly medicated, driving a car would be impossible right now (i actually haven't been able to drive a car in quite some months)
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2021-06-14 20:42:20	Samizdat	Live show's fixin' to start at Smalls.
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2021-06-14 20:43:02	Samizdat	The opening drum solo's a bit navel-gazing and artsy fartsy, but I'm keeping an open mind.
2021-06-14 20:43:28	Samizdat	( https://ustream.tv/embed/23240575 live stream)
2021-06-14 20:44:13	Samizdat	https://smallslive.com for tickets (to the brick-and-mortor club), lineups, archive, etc.
2021-06-14 20:44:33	Samizdat	mort*a*r even
2021-06-14 20:44:53	Samizdat	mort *a* r
2021-06-14 20:44:57	Samizdat	There we go.
2021-06-14 20:45:47	jacki	what s the new server ?
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2021-06-14 20:46:06	jdmark	wow
2021-06-14 20:46:13	jdmark	who the fuck is bagira?
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2021-06-14 20:46:26	jdmark	Who the fuck are the ops?
2021-06-14 20:46:32	Samizdat	You must be late to the party.
2021-06-14 20:46:41	jdmark	i feel like i was raped
2021-06-14 20:47:01	Samizdat	freenode's been absorbed by the non-woke Borg.
2021-06-14 20:47:06	Samizdat	Celebrate!
2021-06-14 20:47:09	jdmark	What borg?
2021-06-14 20:47:20	jdmark	I read it was the Bitcoin Cash people
2021-06-14 20:47:24	jacki	what s the new server ?
2021-06-14 20:47:30	jdmark	libera.chat
2021-06-14 20:47:38	jdmark	everyone migrated to Libera.chat
2021-06-14 20:47:48	Samizdat	Or libera.che if you want the super duper uber woke.
2021-06-14 20:48:00	jdmark	it's not about being "cool"
2021-06-14 20:48:09	Samizdat	(Emphasis on the "che)" (pun intended)
2021-06-14 20:48:12	jdmark	a private corporation bought freenode and is attempting to profit from it
2021-06-14 20:48:20	jdmark	they are not part of the FOSS community
2021-06-14 20:48:31	jdmark	Their goal is to sell Bitcoin Cash
2021-06-14 20:48:39	jdmark	and push Bitcoin Cash
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2021-06-14 20:48:48	jdmark	Bitcoin Cash is not Bitcoin, period.
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2021-06-14 20:48:53	Samizdat	<sarcasm> How capitalist of them! </sarcasm>
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2021-06-14 20:50:45	Samizdat	Well, not "everyone" migrated to libe *rat* .
2021-06-14 20:51:37	Samizdat	Those rats jumped *to* the sinking ship.
2021-06-14 20:53:35	jacki	fuck
2021-06-14 20:53:56	jacki	the raleigh theme is a empty file !
2021-06-14 20:54:05	+oxek_	keep it civil everyone
2021-06-14 20:54:07	mlu	hy jump ship when I can be on both? :P
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2021-06-14 20:54:28	jdmark	yea fuck this
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2021-06-14 20:54:42	Samizdat	Sure, if you can stomach woke puke.
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2021-06-14 20:57:12	Samizdat	libera.che combines the best elements of toadying to both the LGBTQWTF *and* Communist agendas.
2021-06-14 20:57:19	Samizdat	Nothing like a two-fer, huh?
2021-06-14 20:58:20	xse	the new freenode adventure seems to be going great: https://i.imgur.com/hQzu3fn.png
2021-06-14 20:58:45	Samizdat	(Say "Liberace" aloud and you'll understand the pun).
2021-06-14 20:58:48	xse	they did not copy old nicks and so on pretty much everyone will have to reregister
2021-06-14 20:59:31	Samizdat	Hmm, it's possible no one else here's old enough to remember Liberace.
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2021-06-14 20:59:34	mlu	meh, don't see what's the problem with that :)
2021-06-14 20:59:35	Samizdat	O well.
2021-06-14 20:59:36	triceratux	im reregistering but the mails arent going out
2021-06-14 21:00:02	triceratux	if you leave any of the existing channels you wont get back into them
2021-06-14 21:00:17	jacki	lol
2021-06-14 21:00:27	jacki	lgbtqwtf
2021-06-14 21:00:38	Samizdat	};}
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2021-06-14 21:02:26	Samizdat	(freenode) ##linux-offtopi is as mute as ever.  No discernible change.
2021-06-14 21:02:39	Samizdat	##linux-offtopic too
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2021-06-14 21:03:40	Samizdat	Can't say I really miss the hall monitors and pickers of fly feces from the pepper.
2021-06-14 21:03:46	Samizdat	Good riddance on that score.
2021-06-14 21:04:01	triceratux	srsly ?
2021-06-14 21:04:14	 *	triceratux never thought hed type that in this channel :)
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2021-06-14 21:04:25	Samizdat	Yeah.  Think of this as the *anti* - woke purge.
2021-06-14 21:06:09	Samizdat	A good old fashioned bot war would be fun.
2021-06-14 21:06:21	Samizdat	Or has *all* the testosterone been drained from the West?
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2021-06-17 15:06:47	--	Topic set by oxek on Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:42:40
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2021-06-17 16:12:21	tQuest	https://www.cnet.com/news/google-backed-linux-project-could-make-android-chrome-os-harder-to-hack/   is this a joke? what core parts are being considered?
2021-06-17 16:13:46	redlegion	tQuest: i believe they're starting with driverse
2021-06-17 16:13:49	redlegion	drivers, rather
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2021-06-17 16:14:21	tQuest	the article includes "security critical components"
2021-06-17 16:14:25	tQuest	+ "and drivers"
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2021-06-17 17:07:05	hltwrm	hi
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2021-06-17 17:10:01	hltwrm	tquest r a a bot?
2021-06-17 17:10:45	hltwrm	r u a bot?
2021-06-17 17:11:51	tQuest	dammit hltwrm i'm a doctor not a bot
2021-06-17 17:13:00	hltwrm	hehe :) maybe u can be a virus?
2021-06-17 17:13:16	tQuest	in theory
2021-06-17 17:13:41	hltwrm	tQuest: whr r u frm?
2021-06-17 17:14:11	tQuest	freenode
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2021-06-17 17:15:39	hltwrm	What does freenode mean?
2021-06-17 17:15:57	tQuest	free relay chat
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2021-06-17 17:17:49	hltwrm	tQuest: its hard 2 understand u
2021-06-17 17:18:09	tQuest	may b i r bot
2021-06-17 17:18:57	hltwrm	let's again  hi tquest
2021-06-17 17:19:06	hltwrm	how r u?
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2021-06-17 17:19:16	tQuest	hi plz calibrate to dectet buffer protocol
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2021-06-17 17:19:52	hltwrm	how?
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2021-06-17 17:20:26	tQuest	what is this a computer for octopods
2021-06-17 17:20:49	hltwrm	I installed new linux. I was testing
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2021-06-17 17:21:16	tQuest	CMath in da house
2021-06-17 17:22:42	hltwrm	which r u use operating system? 
2021-06-17 17:22:58	hltwrm	win or linux?
2021-06-17 17:23:01	tQuest	linux > V3
2021-06-17 17:23:32	tQuest	< V6-1
2021-06-17 17:23:42	hltwrm	i m new on linux. arch 
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2021-06-17 17:26:14	hltwrm	i m glad to meet u tquest.. i need to rest.. i hope see u soon again.
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2021-06-17 17:26:33	tQuest	make sure you empty the capacitors fully!
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2021-06-17 17:27:28	hltwrm	ok thnks for ur help.. see u
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2021-06-17 17:28:09	tQuest	i mean no guys i'm totally not a bot
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2021-06-17 17:28:38	tQuest	how much lithium ions do you consume before work today?
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2021-06-17 20:17:20	tQuest	this channel boring
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2021-06-17 22:23:33	void	btw, i use arch
2021-06-17 22:23:39	void	hi guys :)
2021-06-17 22:24:11	sorcerer	i use arch, btw
2021-06-17 22:24:14	sorcerer	hey
2021-06-17 22:24:53	unixpro1970	Why is to so quiet in this channel?
2021-06-17 22:25:10	unixpro1970	Did this channel also move to libera.chat?
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2021-06-17 22:30:16	Prestige	unixpro1970: because every1 is having a good time using linux and require no assistance :)
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2021-06-17 22:34:57	tQuest	why doesn't chrome browser believe in tarballs
2021-06-17 22:35:04	tQuest	chromium i mean
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2021-06-17 22:35:49	tQuest	are they afraid of version numbers?
2021-06-17 22:36:14	tQuest	+ hashes
2021-06-17 22:36:18	esselfe	version numbers should be standardly x.x.x
2021-06-17 22:36:24	esselfe	that's it
2021-06-17 22:36:57	esselfe	lots of software use this
2021-06-17 22:37:42	tQuest	how can i get signed release of chrom browser
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2021-06-17 22:40:18	Prestige	What about https://github.com/chromium/chromium/releases
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2021-06-17 22:44:12	tQuest	signed by google not microsoft
2021-06-17 22:45:30	tQuest	this is a git tag prepared by microsoft server, i want full signed tarball
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2021-06-17 22:45:54	Prestige	like https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src ?
2021-06-17 22:46:05	Prestige	click on a tag
2021-06-17 22:46:09	tQuest	its a tag but not a signed release
2021-06-17 22:46:19	Prestige	https://i.imgur.com/GOXYxyr.png it's not? hm
2021-06-17 22:46:54	Prestige	Maybe you can open an issue about it
2021-06-17 22:48:23	tQuest	i don't like to use git either, too insulting
2021-06-17 22:48:29	tQuest	but that's a different story
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2021-06-17 22:49:17	Prestige	That's odd, yeah
2021-06-17 22:49:45	tQuest	and twitter, highly offensive
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2021-06-17 22:53:01	tQuest	i'd even settle for a .zip, but FFS no seven-zip
2021-06-17 22:53:36	tQuest	eh fuck it, who needs javascript anyway
2021-06-17 22:53:41	Prestige	why don't you want to use git?
2021-06-17 22:53:53	tQuest	the git word is an insult
2021-06-17 22:54:33	Prestige	Is it?
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2021-06-17 22:55:19	tQuest	https://www.etymonline.com/word/git
2021-06-17 22:56:46	Prestige	https://initialcommit.com/blog/How-Did-Git-Get-Its-Name
2021-06-17 22:56:56	Prestige	I don't think the name of it really matters, it's a tool to use
2021-06-17 22:57:17	tQuest	it doesn't provide signed releases for chromium so im not downloading it
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2021-06-17 23:20:41	guil	hi
2021-06-17 23:20:45	guil	i use arch
2021-06-17 23:21:47	guil	jk
2021-06-17 23:21:55	guil	i use windows
2021-06-17 23:21:56	tQuest	lol good one
2021-06-17 23:22:10	guil	linux is for weirdos
2021-06-17 23:22:31	zgu	is this network all trolls now or what?
2021-06-17 23:22:32	guil	2% market share :)
2021-06-17 23:22:47	tQuest	it's not that bad, but the devs making the apps and browsers and what else take too many shortcuts
2021-06-17 23:23:25	unixpro1970	Seems this channel turned into a #trolls
2021-06-17 23:23:49	guil	it always has been
2021-06-17 23:25:46	guil	i don't use microsoft bloat guys
2021-06-17 23:26:00	guil	i just wanted to see your reaction
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2021-06-17 23:27:27	unixpro1970	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMC6d8DeMo
2021-06-17 23:27:28	zgu	i mean... after hearing you say you used arch it was a bit of a relief
2021-06-17 23:27:29	zgu	:P
2021-06-17 23:27:55	unixpro1970	@guil
2021-06-17 23:29:15	guil	imagine using proprietary software lmao
2021-06-17 23:31:36	@guk	imagine caring what others use for software
2021-06-17 23:32:08	@guk	use what works best for the task at hand, sometimes you luck out and its juicy and opensource. Other times you/business pays the price for locked down proprietary. Everything has a use and a place 
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2021-06-17 23:33:17	guil	i don't care what others do tbh
2021-06-17 23:33:39	zgu	other times you have to buy a proprietary build of a fork of an open source library to satisfy government certification requirements
2021-06-17 23:33:40	guil	let windows users use windows
2021-06-17 23:33:59	guil	jesus mate, where do you live?
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2021-06-17 23:36:02	guil	don't get me wrong here, that was a JOKE. I've been using a lot of proprietary software. Let just have some fun. You don't need to argue with jokes. just roll with it
2021-06-17 23:36:48	tQuest	most of the web is effectively proprietary software
2021-06-17 23:36:49	@guk	yeah its all good dude
2021-06-17 23:37:14	unixpro1970	Did #linux also move to libera.chat?
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2021-06-17 23:37:26	guil	Everyone knows that any software is just a bootloader to emacs
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2021-06-17 23:38:05	tQuest	thanks to weak licensing that allows obfuscation
2021-06-17 23:38:19	unixpro1970	Unfortunately, I have to wait 4 hours before my ban is over.  Was configuring a new irc client and got banned during testing.
2021-06-17 23:38:30	unixpro1970	:-(
2021-06-17 23:38:45	guil	I've been trying to use vscode as a PID 2. Any suggestions?
2021-06-17 23:38:54	tQuest	lool
2021-06-17 23:39:21	juliandroske	I cannot login so far since Ubuntu irc server has redirected to libera
2021-06-17 23:39:43	tQuest	yeh IDK if that's a good idea or not
2021-06-17 23:39:46	juliandroske	so i am using freenode now, but ##linux is missing
2021-06-17 23:39:56	tQuest	you going to run it as root too?
2021-06-17 23:40:06	guil	sure, why not?
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2021-06-17 23:40:21	unixpro1970	Seems many channel went to libera.char because of freenode take over.
2021-06-17 23:40:41	unixpro1970	https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by-the-crown-prince-of-korea/
2021-06-17 23:40:42	tQuest	it has lots of bugs, opening the wrong repo from hub-of-gits could be pretty bad experience
2021-06-17 23:41:01	guil	what clients are you using?
2021-06-17 23:41:21	unixpro1970	https://www.techradar.com/news/major-open-source-projects-abandon-freenode-following-hostile-takeover
2021-06-17 23:41:35	tQuest	is liberia +r everytwhere?
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2021-06-17 23:41:56	zgu	not that i know of
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2021-06-17 23:42:47	tQuest	can you now join ##linux witout registration procedures?
2021-06-17 23:42:50	unixpro1970	not sure I have to wait 4 hours before my ban is lifted.  I will give it a try.  Guessing this is why channel chatter is so low.
2021-06-17 23:43:46	unixpro1970	typo I mean libera.chat
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2021-06-17 23:45:13	unixpro1970	Was using smuxi and just switched to hexchat
2021-06-17 23:46:03	unixpro1970	kvirc chat is nice but i couldn't figure out how to turn on spell check.
2021-06-17 23:46:17	unixpro1970	So I went with hexchat
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2021-06-17 23:59:08	%Hash	I use weechat
2021-06-17 23:59:25	%Hash	No mouse stuff, but it's nice
2021-06-17 23:59:44	Fenris	you can use mouse with weechat
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2021-06-18 00:11:50	%Hash	Kind of.
2021-06-18 00:12:09	%Hash	I meant like righ click popups and etc. No real window toolkit.
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2021-06-18 02:56:27	mylarpy	Hi
2021-06-18 02:58:02	tQuest	hey its mylarpy
2021-06-18 02:58:34	mylarpy	Yes indeed it is I mylarpy. How are you tQuest?
2021-06-18 02:59:09	tQuest	hi, i am pondering the meaning of the octet
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2021-06-18 02:59:40	mylarpy	Any progress so far ?
2021-06-18 02:59:51	tQuest	its complicated
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2021-06-18 03:00:30	mylarpy	is it really, or are you perhaps making it more complicated than it is ?
2021-06-18 03:00:58	tQuest	it was not i whom invented little endian vs big endian
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2021-06-18 03:01:34	mylarpy	Good point
2021-06-18 03:02:02	mylarpy	Good night
2021-06-18 03:02:12	tQuest	nooooooooooo don't leave us
2021-06-18 03:02:21	mylarpy	My bouncer is banned so
2021-06-18 03:02:23	tQuest	noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOoOOoOOOOOOoooooooooooooo
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2021-06-18 03:02:47	mylarpy	hopefully IRCCloud gets unbanned soon
2021-06-18 03:02:52	mylarpy	Nite
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2021-06-18 03:03:10	tQuest	will we still exist when you close the chat?
2021-06-18 03:03:39	mylarpy	I am not convinced of my own existence let alone to ponder yours
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2021-06-18 03:10:58	mylarpy	tQuest why are we here ?
2021-06-18 03:11:36	tQuest	the channel, or...?
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2021-06-18 03:11:57	mylarpy	Any interpretation is equally confounding
2021-06-18 03:12:15	tQuest	this is the only channel with a decent amount of users in it
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2021-06-18 03:12:41	mylarpy	All my channels are like dead wastelands ...
2021-06-18 03:12:52	Prestige	freenode has a free bouncer though
2021-06-18 03:12:59	mylarpy	Topics cleared ... users gone
2021-06-18 03:13:07	Prestige	https://freenode.net/#freenode-bouncer-stay-connected-on-irc-all-the-time
2021-06-18 03:13:09	drellok	hi guys, I setup IPsec tunnel between two dedicated servers node A and node B. Node A has multiple VMs running on it. When I testing the performance node A to node B with iperf3, I am getting maximum speed (almost 1Gbit/s), however, when I am trying to iperf from within the VM on node A to node B I am getting abysmal speed - not even 1Mbit/s. This only applies to upload speed. Download from 
2021-06-18 03:13:09	drellok	node B to VM on node A is working fine. Any ideas what can be wrong?
2021-06-18 03:13:39	mylarpy	Yes I connected with my IRCCloud to the free bouncer . Worked for a few days until they disabled It.
2021-06-18 03:14:03	tjr	drellok maybe hardware crypto issues?
2021-06-18 03:14:11	tjr	mylarpy the bnc *should* work again
2021-06-18 03:14:25	mylarpy	drellok: maybe need to adjust MTU with respect to overhead of the VPN?
2021-06-18 03:14:41	drellok	mylarpy, let me try to lower MTU
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2021-06-18 03:15:21	mylarpy	I grow angry that my IRCCloud does not work. Let me test again with the bouncer workaround.
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2021-06-18 03:15:54	tQuest	what VM? you using perf hacks like KVM on there?
2021-06-18 03:16:00	drellok	mylarpy, yes, it was MTU! thanks
2021-06-18 03:16:58	mylarpy	Still broken
2021-06-18 03:17:05	mylarpy	Cool drellok glad to help
2021-06-18 03:17:34	Prestige	I thought it's banned
2021-06-18 03:17:42	Prestige	irc cloud I mean
2021-06-18 03:18:07	mylarpy	Why though ?
2021-06-18 03:18:28	mylarpy	I prefer it. Why banned. Makes no sense.
2021-06-18 03:18:55	tjr	mylarpy works fine for me
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2021-06-18 03:19:14	tjr	bnc that is
2021-06-18 03:19:19	name	Is there a way to install XFCE desktop and remove Cinnamon without deleting my files and apps? I tried the XFCE desktop on the Linux Manjaro VMware app and it was pretty good looking
2021-06-18 03:19:21	tjr	just confirmed it on a few clients
2021-06-18 03:19:43	mylarpy	It worked for me for a few days but now it says my password is wrong
2021-06-18 03:19:46	tjr	mylarpy your nickname needs to be registered with nickserv
2021-06-18 03:20:11	mylarpy	Did nickserv database get reset?
2021-06-18 03:20:12	name	Also, is the changing desktops the same process in VMware app and the actual computer OS?
2021-06-18 03:20:20	name	nickserv
2021-06-18 03:20:55	mylarpy	name yes
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2021-06-18 03:21:38	name	Ok
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2021-06-18 03:22:05	name	Is it a difficult process or likely to break my files or computer?
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2021-06-18 03:22:35	mylarpy	Name difficulty depends on the linux distro .
2021-06-18 03:22:54	name	I am using Mint Linux with Cinnamon desktop currently
2021-06-18 03:23:11	mylarpy	Your hardware will not break. Software ayyy maybe unless you're willing to learn more to fix it
2021-06-18 03:23:36	mylarpy	If you're willing to learn then just have no fear . Fuck on it
2021-06-18 03:23:43	mylarpy	Til you become a master
2021-06-18 03:24:01	name	Ideally I wouldn't want software to break, but I can probably read documetation and learn how to fix it. I just don't want to break any files or apps
2021-06-18 03:24:09	mylarpy	Next thing you know you getting internet pussy left and right, if internet pussy was knowledge and capability
2021-06-18 03:24:15	name	Hahahaha
2021-06-18 03:24:58	mylarpy	Fear is the mind killer. Move the files somewhere and stop being a pussy is my advice
2021-06-18 03:25:35	name	I don't know how to move all my apps and files out of my computer 
2021-06-18 03:25:36	mylarpy	Make that fear time span smaller because action and failure is essence of learning so you wanna rapidly go thru it
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2021-06-18 03:26:18	mylarpy	Put a external disk or usb in
2021-06-18 03:26:35	mylarpy	Then drag and drop ?
2021-06-18 03:26:39	name	Like with my DVD ROM?
2021-06-18 03:26:51	mylarpy	Haha
2021-06-18 03:27:04	mylarpy	You wanna burn a dvd ?
2021-06-18 03:27:34	name	I don't know if that will hold all my stuff
2021-06-18 03:27:59	name	But I have lots of blank CDs and stuff around for my DAW stuff
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2021-06-18 03:28:20	drellok	so the MTU fixed the download speed from VM on node A to node B.. now I set node B to be default gateway for VM on node A.. when I am testing iperf from VM to public internet the upload speed is maxed out but the download is 1Mbit again :(
2021-06-18 03:28:24	mylarpy	You got a spare hard disk ?
2021-06-18 03:28:50	mylarpy	Trust the cloud ? Have a good upload speed?
2021-06-18 03:28:53	name	I have a spare floppy disk but it doesn't fit
2021-06-18 03:29:09	mylarpy	I was gonna mention floppy but didn't wanna insult your intelligence
2021-06-18 03:29:16	name	Nope I can't afford good internet in canada
2021-06-18 03:29:34	name	Oh thats ok, I don't know a lot about computers but I am trying to learn
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2021-06-18 03:30:04	name	I tried to get an arch linux in a VM earlier and it didn't work yet, so I'll keep working on that
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2021-06-18 03:30:57	mylarpy	If you can work in a vm then that's the best. No need to worry about your host files or software and can learn fast
2021-06-18 03:31:31	name	Yeah thats what I was going to do to try to switch my desktop first
2021-06-18 03:31:59	name	I am surprized how fast this VMWare works on this new computer and linux
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2021-06-18 03:32:41	mylarpy	drellok: try using tracepath to investigate MTU along the path...
2021-06-18 03:32:47	mylarpy	tracepath traces path to a network host discovering MTU along this path
2021-06-18 03:33:02	name	In my old computer in Windows7 it was very laggy in the VMware, but now I can run the VM and it feels just like the host. No lag on the mouse or on files!
2021-06-18 03:33:03	mylarpy	You may have to adjust a hop ?
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2021-06-18 03:33:48	mylarpy	Name cool
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2021-06-18 03:34:13	drellok	mylarpy: ok
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2021-06-18 03:35:51	name	Is there a version of Hexchat I can use that won't get in the way of serious questions about the computers?
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2021-06-18 03:38:08	mylarpy	Name what . How is it getting in the way?
2021-06-18 03:39:41	name	I mean I want to ask beginner questions and stuff without being an obstacle for someone who may have broke their computer and needs help or something
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2021-06-18 03:40:33	drellok	mylarpy: the MTU with tracepath is 1422
2021-06-18 03:40:38	name	I am kind of new to this whole Hexchat thing and linux
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2021-06-18 03:41:02	mylarpy	Name how considerate of you. That sounds like a people problem not a computer program problem. And I think you should worry about yourself. Let others worry about themselves too.
2021-06-18 03:41:32	mylarpy	In short... get your nut... others will get theirs but mostet yours.
2021-06-18 03:41:45	mylarpy	But most important is that you get yours *
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2021-06-18 03:42:12	mylarpy	Your kindness is noted though and highly respectable
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2021-06-18 03:42:44	name	What I want to know is not as important as someone looking for information on how to reinstall their iproute2 and DHCP or something I would think
2021-06-18 03:43:25	mylarpy	drellok: interesting. So for the slow route its 1422 along the entire path, all hops? Is it same as the one that works fine? If so maybe MTU isn't the issue.. I don't have any other guesses atm.
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2021-06-18 03:43:45	name	Is there a way to get OnlineSequencer chat in Hexchat?
2021-06-18 03:44:40	mylarpy	Name I don't think that's true about import of questions. Let the answereers decide what they want to answer?
2021-06-18 03:44:52	mylarpy	What's online sequencer?
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2021-06-18 03:46:01	name	Online Sequencer is an online music tracker I found with a forum and chat thingy
2021-06-18 03:46:34	name	I like to use the chat thingy sometimes and would be nice to have it in Hexchat I think
2021-06-18 03:47:20	mylarpy	Oh you're talking about a concept called bridging
2021-06-18 03:47:51	name	Ok
2021-06-18 03:48:08	name	I couldn't find OnlineSequencer chat in the download server list
2021-06-18 03:48:38	mylarpy	The matrix.org community is into that ... not that you'd need it... you would have to reverse engineer the chat thingy (is it a web chat ?) and bridge it to IRC somehow ... a lot of other ways too... sounds like a fun hacking/dev project
2021-06-18 03:49:37	mylarpy	What you can try to get started reverse engineering the chat thingy is open up the web inspector and look at the network tab and see if you can learn how your browser is communicating (sending and receiving messages)
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2021-06-18 03:50:18	name	Ok
2021-06-18 03:50:47	mylarpy	Once you learn its protocol you can design a program in your language of choice and then connect it to whatever your heart desires... their server won't know the difference
2021-06-18 03:51:00	k4k0	hi all
2021-06-18 03:51:26	mylarpy	Don't expect hexchat to find something if its not IRC protocol (a rare and old protocol)
2021-06-18 03:51:27	name	It uses HTTPS I think
2021-06-18 03:51:48	mylarpy	k4k0: hi can you tell me why im still here ?
2021-06-18 03:52:51	name	I noticed I need a specific user key to send messages, is it dangerous to put that into IRC?
2021-06-18 03:53:08	mylarpy	Wdym?
2021-06-18 03:53:58	name	Is there any way it could easily be accessed?
2021-06-18 03:54:36	name	Is IRC secure I think I mean, compared to HTTPS?
2021-06-18 03:55:04	mylarpy	Secure is a loaded word
2021-06-18 03:55:40	name	I've never coded an app before, unless sudo apt counts
2021-06-18 03:55:53	mylarpy	Think who do you trust ? Your computer. The computers that carry your packets between yours and the server. The server.
2021-06-18 03:56:06	mylarpy	In my mind. I trust none of these .
2021-06-18 03:56:22	mylarpy	I just pretend im always under surveillance. It sucks I know
2021-06-18 03:56:39	mylarpy	But I can't really logically understand how security is possible
2021-06-18 03:56:51	k4k0	mylarpy, I'm due to lack of sleep
2021-06-18 03:56:53	k4k0	lol
2021-06-18 03:57:33	mylarpy	In other words if https is secure (in short yeah it is... ) do you trust the server ?
2021-06-18 03:57:55	mylarpy	If it's your bank. Sure you trust them with your bank login.
2021-06-18 03:58:02	name	The reason I switched to linux, one of them at least, was the awful windows surveillance
2021-06-18 03:58:03	tQuest	you trust CA
2021-06-18 03:58:39	mylarpy	Yes with linux you can trust your own computer more ... that's for sure.  Your hardware though is the same.
2021-06-18 03:59:00	k4k0	don't you like windows? bill gates would be upset to hear about this
2021-06-18 03:59:01	k4k0	:O
2021-06-18 03:59:06	mylarpy	k4k0: im gonna be in your boat if I stay any longer ahhh
2021-06-18 03:59:33	k4k0	wow, mylarpy
2021-06-18 03:59:49	name	In a world without fences or walls, we don't need Windows or Gates
2021-06-18 04:00:17	k4k0	:O
2021-06-18 04:00:21	name	I do like how all my VST run on windows though :/
2021-06-18 04:00:39	mylarpy	I like the wordplay and the Microsoft bashing but that's about it
2021-06-18 04:01:03	mylarpy	I'll keep my walls and fences thank you
2021-06-18 04:01:15	k4k0	I only wanted 2% of the bill gates fortune and I would spend it all on snacks and coke
2021-06-18 04:01:16	k4k0	=/
2021-06-18 04:01:19	 *	mylarpy says with his IP showing lol
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2021-06-18 04:01:49	tQuest	vst has that gui stuff you have to implement
2021-06-18 04:02:09	mylarpy	k4k0: but after you realize you still have all this money left, then what?
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2021-06-18 04:02:57	name	Well I am using Guitarix and Surge has a linux version, so I have most of the stuff I need. If BBC Orchestra and some random mellotron would work that would be perfect
2021-06-18 04:03:20	k4k0	I'm going to spend it on food, coke and buy several houses...
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2021-06-18 04:04:05	k4k0	maybe I'll buy some institution that makes covid-19 vaccines just for me and my private family.
2021-06-18 04:04:33	k4k0	But the important thing is to always have a belly full of food and caffeine.
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2021-06-18 04:06:03	mylarpy	k4k0: okay and now your biotech and real estate investments have doubled your money. You have more coke and food than you could ever want. What's next ?
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2021-06-18 04:08:23	name	Obviously the next step would be to spend it all on loot boxes in these mobile phone videogames
2021-06-18 04:08:50	k4k0	[05:06:05] <mylarpy> k4k0: okay and now your biotech and real estate investments have doubled your money. You have more coke and food than you could ever want. What's next ?
2021-06-18 04:08:54	k4k0	humm
2021-06-18 04:08:59	k4k0	now I was in doubt, maybe I spend on cars or offer food to those who like to eat a lot and drink a lot of coke.
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2021-06-18 04:09:26	k4k0	life is eating, or we will starve to death. :S
2021-06-18 04:09:32	mylarpy	I am whelmed. Merely whelmed.
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2021-06-18 04:10:18	k4k0	well, it would be interesting to spend on cell phones, but I hate charging them, I think we should still have cell phones without chargers.
2021-06-18 04:11:19	name	Yeah put all the money into making a mobile operating system thats not garbage
2021-06-18 04:11:22	k4k0	Martin Cooper
2021-06-18 04:11:39	mylarpy	I couldn't be any more whelmed with these responses to unlimited wealth
2021-06-18 04:12:11	k4k0	name, don't you like android?
2021-06-18 04:12:11	mylarpy	But I suppose my non-answer invalidates me from criticizing your merely whelming answers
2021-06-18 04:12:32	mylarpy	So I bid you farewell as I take leave
2021-06-18 04:12:55	name	Not at all. Too much like Windows10
2021-06-18 04:12:56	k4k0	lol
2021-06-18 04:12:57	k4k0	mylarpy
2021-06-18 04:13:16	k4k0	What's the best thing in the world? is not eating?
2021-06-18 04:13:17	k4k0	humm
2021-06-18 04:13:38	name	The best thing in the world is my ass!
2021-06-18 04:13:48	k4k0	I'd rather have millions of sweets and snacks in my house than computers, cell phones... cars
2021-06-18 04:13:49	mylarpy	Best thing in the world ?
2021-06-18 04:14:05	k4k0	name ass what?
2021-06-18 04:14:07	k4k0	HAHAHA
2021-06-18 04:14:16	k4k0	yes, mylarpy
2021-06-18 04:14:23	mylarpy	A satisfying shit.
2021-06-18 04:14:37	mylarpy	Best things in the world are free.
2021-06-18 04:14:58	k4k0	For me the best invention was food, snacks, hamburgers, macdonald's. burger king etc...
2021-06-18 04:15:25	k4k0	but nothing is free
2021-06-18 04:15:31	name	I don't know about the best thing but I like to have sex a lot
2021-06-18 04:15:45	k4k0	so if you have money, they will have it done for you.
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2021-06-18 04:16:08	k4k0	ok, name
2021-06-18 04:16:09	k4k0	but sex is paid too
2021-06-18 04:16:11	name	What do you guys think of the flat looking design on all the apps these days compared to the 3D shiny design the apps used to have?
2021-06-18 04:16:11	k4k0	:S
2021-06-18 04:16:50	k4k0	well, i don't know about 3d as i use windows 98 yet.
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2021-06-18 04:18:00	name	I mean 3D like MacOS icons looked or Windows 7, compared to the flat looking not very 3D look of Windows10 or any website I can find
2021-06-18 04:18:01	mylarpy	I like flat. Its an admission of the flatness of the surfaces upon which they are displayed and do not seek to fool my brain, making them appear more honest about themselves which I like.
2021-06-18 04:18:21	drellok	mylarpy: the slowdown seems to be affecting iperf running over TCP only... running over UDP has no issues... so I am assuming it has something to do with TCP fragmentation? I tried to do MSS clamping with iptables but no luck so far
2021-06-18 04:18:52	k4k0	lol
2021-06-18 04:19:40	name	Interesting, I like the 3D icons because they are easier to distinguish from the background, making it easier for me to look at stuff quickly, like an app launcher
2021-06-18 04:19:49	mylarpy	drellok: ah im at my knowledge limit unfortunately. You could try #networking which has been helpful to me in the past
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2021-06-18 04:20:06	k4k0	Well, speaking of iptables... it made me hungry, I'm going to prepare 4 hamburgers to eat I'll be right back.
2021-06-18 04:20:07	k4k0	brb
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2021-06-18 04:20:26	mylarpy	k4k0: cya fat boy
2021-06-18 04:20:41	drellok	mylarpy, thanks I tried it awhile back but no response
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2021-06-18 04:20:51	mylarpy	How the hell iptables reminded him of food I don't know.
2021-06-18 04:21:19	name	Maybe he can put food packets on the iptable
2021-06-18 04:21:20	mylarpy	drellok: could be the liberachat split causing mindshare to go away
2021-06-18 04:21:44	mylarpy	Im really here just to see who is still here and why
2021-06-18 04:21:49	k4k0	I am thin. I'm only 58 kg
2021-06-18 04:22:34	mylarpy	But your great fun personalities have kept me longer than I had anticipated
2021-06-18 04:22:42	name	Did something happen to freenode recently? I think I heard something about it being broken in another version of Hexchat
2021-06-18 04:23:09	mylarpy	Yes name there has been some drama to say the least...
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2021-06-18 04:23:55	mylarpy	k4k0: that's a good weight. I like 27. 127 lbs
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2021-06-18 04:24:16	name	I think I will keep using Freenode unless it breaks
2021-06-18 04:24:20	k4k0	:O
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2021-06-18 04:26:19	name	Is there anything I should know before trying macOS in the VMware thing?
2021-06-18 04:26:45	mylarpy	Name does your hexchat have liberachat server in it ?
2021-06-18 04:28:08	mylarpy	Oh man macOS in VMware will probably be slow as shit. If your host is Linux there's another option too you may be interested in (also slow as shit but related) https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
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2021-06-18 04:28:57	mylarpy	Aww there goes name
2021-06-18 04:29:09	k4k0	OH
2021-06-18 04:29:18	tQuest	nnnNNNOOOOOooooooooooo
2021-06-18 04:29:56	drellok	he is probably trying macOS on VMware right now
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2021-06-18 04:30:58	mylarpy	tQuest compels me
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2021-06-18 04:31:42	mylarpy	No I should say intrigues
2021-06-18 04:32:02	mylarpy	I want to know the full story
2021-06-18 04:32:11	tQuest	of wat
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2021-06-18 04:32:20	mylarpy	Of you
2021-06-18 04:32:28	tQuest	once upon the time i was me
2021-06-18 04:32:58	mylarpy	That it ?
2021-06-18 04:33:06	tQuest	something like that
2021-06-18 04:33:14	tQuest	then some other stuff
2021-06-18 04:33:40	tQuest	and then i told em large marge sent me
2021-06-18 04:33:53	mylarpy	Who is large marge ?
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2021-06-18 04:34:04	tQuest	famous folk hero
2021-06-18 04:34:07	mylarpy	And is she in charge ?
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2021-06-18 04:34:59	tQuest	naturally
2021-06-18 04:36:00	mylarpy	I like the sound of this large marge
2021-06-18 04:36:18	k4k0	.stats
2021-06-18 04:37:24	mylarpy	With her natural firmness and generously to send you in mind I will commence to dreaming. Good night
2021-06-18 04:37:27	tQuest	shes like the davey crockett of trucking
2021-06-18 04:37:36	mylarpy	Oh even better now she has a trucker hat
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2021-06-18 05:03:30	k4k0	oh
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2021-06-18 09:27:16	 *	enyc thinks... why so many #linux visitors getting Z-lined ?
2021-06-18 09:28:47	@oxek	enyc: spambots using autogenerated nicknames
2021-06-18 09:30:45	potatoe	i thought freenode opers didnt need no excuse to z or kline these days 
2021-06-18 09:31:48	@oxek	still not a discussion for this channel
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2021-06-18 11:03:07	]-[EDDY]-[	hello
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2021-06-18 11:06:22	enyc	]-[EDDY]-[: olleh
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2021-06-18 11:24:47	name	What is the benefit of a static IP address?
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2021-06-18 11:58:55	enyc	name: well if you keep logging off I can never answer you =)
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2021-06-18 14:23:58	]-[EDDY]-[	enyc: using archlinux ???
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2021-06-18 14:25:21	name	Hello
2021-06-18 14:25:40	name	I am trying to install an Arch Linux, but I am having trouble
2021-06-18 14:26:30	@tau	name: I recently came across a really good video tutorial on how to install Arch Linux
2021-06-18 14:26:47	@tau	name: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQgyW10xD8s 
2021-06-18 14:26:53	name	In this grub thing what do I do? It says I need to load the kernel first and when I searched up how to do that and did that, I got some kind of error and was put into rootfs user
2021-06-18 14:28:18	zgu	install gentoo instead
2021-06-18 14:28:32	zgu	you can't appreciate a kernel as much until you compile it yourself
2021-06-18 14:28:57	name	I am new to this stuff
2021-06-18 14:29:26	John	name: query
2021-06-18 14:29:26	name	I think I will try to figure out how to boot my Arch VM before Gentoo or LFS
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2021-06-18 14:30:01	name	Query?
2021-06-18 14:30:24	John	name: private message my friend.
2021-06-18 14:30:37	name	Oh I see that
2021-06-18 14:31:02	name	Srooy for messaging the wrong version of Hexchat
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2021-06-18 14:33:40	name	How do I access this librechat thing in my Hexchat
2021-06-18 14:34:00	CrystalMath	name: don't, it's garbage
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2021-06-18 14:34:25	CrystalMath	freenode is the best
2021-06-18 14:34:27	name	I want to ask a question to Arch linux about it though
2021-06-18 14:34:45	CrystalMath	what's the question?
2021-06-18 14:34:51	zgu	must be why it has almost 40k users now compared to 26k
2021-06-18 14:35:13	name	In this grub thing what do I do? It says I need to load the kernel first and when I searched up how to do that and did that, I got some kind of error and was put into rootfs user
2021-06-18 14:35:28	John	name: https://libera.chat/guides/hexchat
2021-06-18 14:35:36	zgu	did you boot the kernel with no root= param or something?
2021-06-18 14:35:37	name	I didn't install a GUI or anthing yet
2021-06-18 14:35:45	enyc	]-[EDDY]-[: friends of mine do
2021-06-18 14:35:46	CrystalMath	name: did you manually create your grub config?
2021-06-18 14:35:48	zgu	like an initramfs rescue shell?
2021-06-18 14:35:54	name	No I set root= I think
2021-06-18 14:36:05	CrystalMath	using the UUID or using a drive directly?
2021-06-18 14:36:11	name	I also set the initrd
2021-06-18 14:36:28	CrystalMath	so you wrote the kernel command line manually
2021-06-18 14:36:29	name	I'm using VM hard drives I think?
2021-06-18 14:36:42	enyc	]-[EDDY]-[: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Arch_IRC_channels  is good place
2021-06-18 14:36:48	zgu	what hypervisor?
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2021-06-18 14:37:20	CrystalMath	name: can you paste the kernel command line?
2021-06-18 14:38:39	name	I did insmod linux, linux /boot/vmlinuz-linux root=dev/sda1, initrd /boot/initramfs-linux.img
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2021-06-18 14:38:52	theos	hi
2021-06-18 14:38:58	name	Not sure how to do that on VM
2021-06-18 14:39:03	enyc	theos: olleh
2021-06-18 14:39:08	enyc	name: not sure much fo that need to be done manually
2021-06-18 14:39:16	CrystalMath	name: should probably be /dev/sda1
2021-06-18 14:39:17	enyc	name: most distros that sort of thing and GRUB installed for you!
2021-06-18 14:39:32	CrystalMath	name: also initrd=/boot/initramfs-linux.img
2021-06-18 14:39:35	CrystalMath	with the =
2021-06-18 14:39:41	CrystalMath	check the syntax
2021-06-18 14:39:48	name	Oooh ok I'll try that
2021-06-18 14:40:04	theos	so i just installed chromium. its nice. but the address bar font is too small. how do i make it bigger? i am on lubuntu 18.04. i guess i have to increase system font but i dont know how
2021-06-18 14:40:36	name	Probably in system settings > appearance > fonts 
2021-06-18 14:41:41	theos	that doesnt change chromium font
2021-06-18 14:42:25	name	I don't know much about chromium but it is probably changeable from the browser settings or about:config
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2021-06-18 14:43:49	name	Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0
2021-06-18 14:44:11	zgu	yeah that's a bad root= param
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2021-06-18 14:44:44	zgu	or possibly missing disk controller or fs driver. but on a binary distro kernel i'd expect that to be less likely
2021-06-18 14:45:21	zgu	if you use a UUID instead of device node path it will work around the first issue
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2021-06-18 14:46:58	name	What is UUID?
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2021-06-18 14:49:03	zgu	like a serial number for the filesystem
2021-06-18 14:49:13	name	How do I get one?
2021-06-18 14:49:52	zgu	run blkid from your install media and it will show everything detected
2021-06-18 14:50:05	zgu	or look at the /dev/disk/by-uuid symlinks
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2021-06-18 14:50:32	name	Install media being the virtual iso or grub?
2021-06-18 14:50:41	zgu	iso
2021-06-18 14:50:52	name	Ok
2021-06-18 14:51:10	zgu	actually grub might be able to show it
2021-06-18 14:51:37	name	Oh I just closed grub to insert the virtual CD
2021-06-18 14:53:35	name	Ok I think I found the UUID. What is fs and how do I check if its broken?
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2021-06-18 15:15:51	name	Ok the UUID thing didn't work, got the same error
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2021-06-18 15:29:55	wallacer	what was  the name of the feature that allowed you to terminate a whole CIDR block locally on a interface?
2021-06-18 15:30:18	wallacer	instead of adding addresses manually for each IP on a interface,  you could just add a CIDR block, etc
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2021-06-18 15:38:23	enyc	wallacer: oh thats interesting I'm used to that being how 127.0.0.0/8 works implicitly in kerel
2021-06-18 15:38:47	enyc	wallacer: maybe sort of NDP-proxy (or on legacy internet, proxy-ARP) is what you are thinking of?
2021-06-18 15:39:01	wallacer	yeah in fact I remember how that works is by adding the address to lo, and it answers NDP/ARP on all interfaces
2021-06-18 15:39:11	wallacer	I know what you mean, but I'm not looking for routing
2021-06-18 15:39:18	enyc	at least, thats' about answering the NDP/ADP, but not necessarially having kernel act like every address is on the machine
2021-06-18 15:39:31	enyc	wallacer: there might be a linux-net channel good for this
2021-06-18 15:39:38	wallacer	there's a specific feature in the kernel that allows you to terminate all addresses on a subnet
2021-06-18 15:39:43	wallacer	it's not routing, it actually terminates there
2021-06-18 15:39:54	wallacer	i.e. "every address is on the machine"
2021-06-18 15:40:10	wallacer	iirc that's how irccloud implements a unique address for each user
2021-06-18 15:40:40	enyc	wallacer: "Netfilter, iptables/nftables, Linux Network setup in general" says libera #netfilter channel,  You have a good question to ask there, make it concise
2021-06-18 15:41:19	enyc	name: would need approximate copy of error to comment
2021-06-18 15:41:35	wallacer	I don't think that's related to nf tho
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2021-06-18 15:41:55	enyc	wallacer: they say ", Linux Network setup in general"
2021-06-18 15:42:01	wallacer	https://serverfault.com/a/934511
2021-06-18 15:42:01	wallacer	is the feature but it doesn't mention the name
2021-06-18 15:42:03	enyc	wallacer: so ask there the query and where to put the query
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2021-06-18 15:43:52	wallacer	after a few dozen searches I finally found it
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2021-06-18 15:43:56	wallacer	https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=ab79ad14a2d51e95f0ac3cef7cd116a57089ba82
2021-06-18 15:44:00	wallacer	this is all the documentation apparently
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2021-06-18 15:53:27	enyc	wallacer: I don't think addding an address to lo  makes liek anser NDP/ARP no all interfaces unless the proxy-ndp/proxy-arp enabled suitably
2021-06-18 15:53:45	enyc	wallacer: but it does mean linux will consider it a local ip address if a packet does get to itself nonetheless
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2021-06-18 15:53:58	wallacer	I'm under the assumption it works if it's routed
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2021-06-18 15:54:11	wallacer	but if it ends up in the device, it will indeed be handled
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2021-06-18 16:00:41	koszik	enyc, defaults for arp are to reply to any address regardless of which interface it's added on
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2021-06-18 16:02:18	enyc	koszik: are you sure? that eaisily causes all sorts of chaos with taking over ip addresses on wrong side and stuff..
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2021-06-18 16:03:57	+koszik	epyc, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt - arp_ignore
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2021-06-18 16:13:17	AJTJ	hello, what is the most stable version of linux
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2021-06-18 16:42:08	enyc	AJTJ: thats a bit of avague question
2021-06-18 16:42:20	enyc	AJTJ: linux distro?  horses for courses...
2021-06-18 16:42:30	enyc	AJTJ: stable may be something that doesn't do very much ;p
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2021-06-18 16:55:14	manemm	hello
2021-06-18 16:55:54	manemm	someone knows a good way of visualizing ldap data?
2021-06-18 16:56:30	Hydr0p0nX	visualizing? 
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2021-06-18 17:03:21	manemm	yes
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2021-06-18 17:07:43	manemm	maybe importing it to a csv
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2021-06-18 17:10:13	NthDegree	manemm, I believe PowerShell has LDAP script samples and it's now supported on Linux
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2021-06-18 17:15:14	wisbit	hey guys, is it worrisome that when opening my sleeping laptop, I find in the field for password on the login screen, an endless stream of <
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2021-06-18 17:15:48	xse	popopopowershell
2021-06-18 17:15:49	xse	popopopo
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2021-06-18 17:15:53	xse	popopopowershell
2021-06-18 17:16:02	xse	that'd make a sick song
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2021-06-18 17:46:14	tQuest	i can't let you do that  dave
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2021-06-18 19:07:57	 *	phanes is offended that there are people out there who think powershell is a development language
2021-06-18 19:08:22	xse	popopopowershell
2021-06-18 19:08:56	@phanes	sounds like a lady gaga song
2021-06-18 19:08:58	xse	it's used by chocolatey iirc
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2021-06-18 19:09:18	NthDegree	phanes, it's a damned good scripting language tho
2021-06-18 19:09:26	@phanes	eh chocolatey is an attempt at a package manager for it
2021-06-18 19:09:30	@phanes	not really
2021-06-18 19:09:42	NthDegree	WinGet is replacing Chocolatey by looks of
2021-06-18 19:09:44	@phanes	it's more like a command framework they kinda threw together and added .net hooks for
2021-06-18 19:10:02	xse	package manager in general like not for powershell
2021-06-18 19:10:15	@phanes	chocolatey sucks too tbh
2021-06-18 19:10:18	NthDegree	my only complaint about PowerShell is that it loads all the functionality into one binary
2021-06-18 19:10:28	NthDegree	that completely breaks security-conscious environments
2021-06-18 19:10:39	NthDegree	but then again it's made for Windows lol
2021-06-18 19:10:46	@phanes	i want to see more stuff done in mono
2021-06-18 19:10:56	xse	kinda, i have it on my windows machine, never broke or smth i mean it works and update my shit
2021-06-18 19:11:14	xse	which is already awesome for a windows machine
2021-06-18 19:11:23	@phanes	windows sucks too tbh
2021-06-18 19:11:36	NthDegree	it does nowadays
2021-06-18 19:11:52	NthDegree	they should have kept the Windows 2000 UI and just fixed up the under-the-hood
2021-06-18 19:12:08	@phanes	it needs a groundup redesign
2021-06-18 19:12:15	xse	yeah you have to disable so much stuff for it not to take all your ram and so on
2021-06-18 19:12:17	@phanes	they should do what apple did and just steal bsd
2021-06-18 19:12:21	NthDegree	When GTK2 was the latest I used to theme it based on Win2K
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2021-06-18 19:12:26	tQuest	noooo how can you lock people in to endless .net updates that way
2021-06-18 19:12:39	NthDegree	phanes, they did. That's where the network stack came from
2021-06-18 19:13:02	NthDegree	Also, hotmail ran on FreeBSD for many, many years
2021-06-18 19:13:07	CrystalMath	phanes: for windows i always use VBScript
2021-06-18 19:13:09	NthDegree	it took MS a decade or more to migrate
2021-06-18 19:13:25	CrystalMath	and i generally don't care to support windows newer than 98SE
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2021-06-18 19:16:48	@oxek	NthDegree: it always makes me sad that there are very few software products that keep the same UI and just improve under the hood
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2021-06-18 19:17:03	@oxek	usually it's just internal company software that's like that, for obvious reasons
2021-06-18 19:17:30	@oxek	but both windows and many major DEs for linux don't do that, and it makes me sad
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2021-06-18 19:26:47	NthDegree	yeah, it's pointless change for the sake of it when UIs get rebuilt
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2021-06-18 19:28:26	@oxek	I have yet to meet a person who's livelihood depends on being productive ask "You know what would be cool? If I login tomorrow and all the icons and buttons look different, are in different places, ..."
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2021-06-18 19:28:37	@oxek	*whose
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2021-06-18 19:37:39	xse	eeeh i mean people resist to change but modifying an interface can also be an huge QOL improvement
2021-06-18 19:38:02	xse	*cough cough* blender *cough*
2021-06-18 19:38:38	tQuest	the best is when everyone who's everyone has migrated to TOOLKIT-NG and a few years later things start breaking from updates to last-gen still being pushed through
2021-06-18 19:39:19	tQuest	so projects that didn't migrate are left with a hellish landscape of mixed compatability
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2021-06-19 11:12:44	--	Topic for #linux is "Welcome to #linux | Home of the freenode linux community | linux discussion and support | every Linux distribution is welcome"
2021-06-19 11:12:44	--	Topic set by oxek on Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:42:40
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