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2021-05-12 22:21:13	--	Topic for #freebsd is "FreeBSD-13.0-RELEASE is out! Pastebin: https://bsd.to | Have fun, be civilized, respect each other | On-topic conversations only, otherwise: #freebsd-social | For abuse reports/help: #freebsd-irc | Other FreeBSD channels: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Channels"
2021-05-12 22:21:13	--	Topic set by debdrup on Tue, 13 Apr 2021 15:28:04
2021-05-12 22:21:13	--	Channel #freebsd: 774 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 772 normals)
2021-05-12 22:21:13	--	PvNotice(ChanServ): Please check handbook and manual pages first at https://freebsd.org/handbook and https://man.freebsd.org | Always use a pastebin, either https://bsd.to or https://termbin.com
2021-05-12 22:21:27	--	Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-05-12 22:23:58	kinkinkijkin	zykotick9, for context I'm trying to get video working on a 2007 imac with a radeon 2400 xt
2021-05-12 22:24:12	kinkinkijkin	so far I've not had much luck
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2021-05-12 22:34:24	fb	   n~.~.
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2021-05-13 01:10:19	parv	Could someone recommend a lightweight (preferably GTK-2) calculator when GRPN would eventually be removed?
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2021-05-13 01:12:59	parv	Yes, I am looking for a GUI calculator; can use, have used, currently use python3|perl 5 REPL when I do not have my phone handy.
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2021-05-13 01:22:37	epony	fox calculator
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2021-05-13 01:26:05	epony	http://www.fox-toolkit.org/calc.html
2021-05-13 01:26:06	VimDiesel	Title: Calculator (at www.fox-toolkit.org)
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2021-05-13 01:38:59	parv	Thanks. Weird is that "calculator" is an example of the toolkit.
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2021-05-13 01:44:08	@debdrup	parv: learn dc :)
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2021-05-13 01:44:31	@debdrup	or bc for that matter.
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2021-05-13 01:48:04	parv	debdrup, in case of [bd]c, I am doing just fine with Python|Perl.
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2021-05-13 01:57:15	parv	re fox toolkit calculator: its buttons fill the space on change of window size but the text remain horribly tiny. Need to find a way to adjust the text size, else would be continuously irritating ...
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2021-05-13 05:03:23	andreas303	Hi folks! Do you know if there any official instructions about how to install freebsd 13 to a new drive by using a pre-existing freebsd 12 installation on another drive? I have all my tools and convenient configuration on my existing freebsd 12 installation, and would like to use that instead of starting from scratch by booting from an iso image...
2021-05-13 05:04:42	meka	andreas303: although I never done such a thing I would check bsdinstall(8) for start
2021-05-13 05:04:55	xtao	it should be pretty easy
2021-05-13 05:05:39	xtao	you can download base.txz and kernel.txz from the download site, just need to create filesystems, extract those over the top, and install a bootloader (in theory)
2021-05-13 05:06:19	xtao	i guess you can possibly run bsdinstall inside a chroot or something as well maybe
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2021-05-13 05:07:36	imachine	hello!
2021-05-13 05:08:29	IonutVan_	andreas303, why not cloning your current installation on the new drive and then upgrade?
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2021-05-13 05:18:05	imachine	trying to upgrade from 12.2-R to 13.0-R w/ freebsd-update; is that something that is/has been tried and/or is supported? cheers!
2021-05-13 05:18:59	imachine	I can see the -r option and am using that, just wondering, what the official stance is. I would assume since it's there, it's possible, but, just double checking for the M in YMMV.
2021-05-13 05:20:22	imachine	it's been plenty of 'sort'ing (it's an old laptop, and inside a VM) but it seems to be chugging along...
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2021-05-13 05:26:47	xtao	it is supported and works well yes
2021-05-13 05:27:37	xtao	just remember to also reinstall all packages afterwards as it's a major version upgrade, and reinstall your boot loader (either BIOS or EFI)
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2021-05-13 05:28:09	imachine	ok, cheers!
2021-05-13 05:28:26	imachine	it's utterly slow so far, but onwards...
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2021-05-13 05:28:40	andreas303	imachine: My current freebsd 12 installation is so messy, and I want to switch from GELI to native ZFS encryption and also setup freebsd 13 so that I can unlock the root filesystem via ssh. So cloning the installation would probably not be worth it...
2021-05-13 05:28:44	imachine	oh! it heard me. something's happening.
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2021-05-13 05:29:34	imachine	andreas303, I know nothing of these new functionality, I just happen to have love for FreeBSD since I've beein using it since 4.8
2021-05-13 05:30:02	andreas303	imachine: Sorry, I replied to the wrong person. I wanted to reply to IonutVan_ instead. :)
2021-05-13 05:30:06	imachine	but it's been useless to me - lately, I've been thinking of postponing another job and thought, hey, I can find a distraction here and call that honest work :)
2021-05-13 05:30:27	imachine	so I'm upgrading... maybe w/ even move to FBSD on the desktop again.
2021-05-13 05:30:30	andreas303	imachine: Sorry to disapont you. :)
2021-05-13 05:30:32	imachine	andreas303, cool, no biggie.
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2021-05-13 05:39:51	IonutVan_	andreas303, I got it. I usually prefer to have a clean install and just transfer what I need from the old installation. You can just copy over config files and install the corresponding packages and done
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2021-05-13 06:22:28	IonutVan_	andreas303, is ZFS native encryption available in 13?
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2021-05-13 06:27:05	bsdbandit	good morning
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2021-05-13 07:03:40	parv	IonutVan_, ZFS native encryption is limited to dataset: http://www.allanjude.com/bsd/openzfs_geli_encryption.pdf (from page 3)
2021-05-13 07:03:43	imachine	xtao, it's going strong, what an upgrade! compared to make world &&, though it seems more streamlined, it's also quite a lenghty process!
2021-05-13 07:04:38	imachine	so, anyone deep into FreeBSD, has 13.0-R given anything in terms of desktop performance/usability/stability/functionality, that an everyday user may notice?
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2021-05-13 07:21:35	@debdrup	imachine: reading the release notes is probably the not the worst idea.
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2021-05-13 07:26:26	@debdrup	If you want the full list of changes, https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?showmsg=1&h=releng%2F13.0 is it - although there's on the close order of 20k commits, so it might take a little time to go through it ;)
2021-05-13 07:26:30	VimDiesel	Title: src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-13 07:29:04	IonutVan_	thanks parv
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2021-05-13 09:35:18	gjgf	how are we supposed to work with the port tree now?
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2021-05-13 09:38:42	parv	gjgf, with git? Or, do you mean something else?
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2021-05-13 09:41:31	gjgf	yes after git migration it became unusable
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2021-05-13 09:42:19	parv	how so?
2021-05-13 09:42:53	gjgf	you have to clone the entire tree and it takes huge space
2021-05-13 09:43:27	parv	true.
2021-05-13 09:43:57	parv	is the space taken an issue for you?
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2021-05-13 09:44:59	gjgf	well yes
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2021-05-13 09:45:09	gjgf	I need maybe 3 ports
2021-05-13 09:45:16	parv	gjgf, do you maintain port(s)? If not, you could do a shallow check out.
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2021-05-13 09:46:29	parv	IIRC from mailing lists, difference in space taken is not much [between full & --depth 1 check out]
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2021-05-13 09:50:40	parv	another thing to try is "gitup" (had not tried myself; nor will)
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2021-05-13 09:55:18	unix_01	hello
2021-05-13 09:55:49	unix_01	if someone has 2 minutes
2021-05-13 09:56:08	unix_01	FreeBSD freebsd 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0 releng/13.0-n244733-ea31abc261f
2021-05-13 09:56:30	unix_01	em driver working wrong on my laptop (lenovo t460)
2021-05-13 09:56:56	unix_01	i tried disable the driver and use another(igb)
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2021-05-13 09:57:15	unix_01	wrong lan card speed (100base)
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2021-05-13 09:57:30	unix_01	someone has ever met one like this?
2021-05-13 09:57:39	parv	unix_01, what should be the speed then?
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2021-05-13 09:58:32	unix_01	ifconfig -m em0
2021-05-13 09:58:45	unix_01	media autoselect
2021-05-13 09:58:45	unix_01			media 1000baseT
2021-05-13 09:58:45	unix_01			media 1000baseT mediaopt full-duplex
2021-05-13 09:58:45	unix_01			media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex
2021-05-13 09:58:45	unix_01			media 100baseTX
2021-05-13 09:58:46	parv	unix_01, have you checked the other end point (on router, switch, modem, etc) if it is right speed?
2021-05-13 09:58:46	unix_01			media 10baseT/UTP mediaopt full-duplex
2021-05-13 09:58:48	unix_01			media 10baseT/UTP
2021-05-13 09:58:55	unix_01	parv yes
2021-05-13 09:59:10	unix_01	i wrote some line in my rc.conf
2021-05-13 09:59:13	unix_01	like this
2021-05-13 09:59:31	unix_01	#ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.10.49 netmask 255.255.255.0 media 1000baseT mediaopt full-duplex"
2021-05-13 09:59:31	unix_01	#defaultrouter="192.168.10.1"
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2021-05-13 09:59:53	dvl	I want to create a nagios alert.  The simple version is "grep -c ErrorMsg /var/log/apache/example-error.log"  If the answer is more than 100, raise the alert. Then Apache could be restarted, and we'd fix the situation.  The problem is now to RESET the alert. There are still more 100 errors in the log.  The simple solution is to rotate the log. Other ideas?
2021-05-13 10:00:39	dvl	Fixing the thing which creates the errors is outside scope of this monitor.  That is a longer term project. The above helps us fix the situation sooner.
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2021-05-13 10:01:41	unix_01	sorry
2021-05-13 10:01:52	unix_01	someone banned me
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2021-05-13 10:03:34	dvl	unix_01: I think it is trying to encourage you to use a pastebin website instead of long pastes here.
2021-05-13 10:03:45	unix_01	of course
2021-05-13 10:03:48	dvl	I could run newsyslog manually, with a custom configuration file.
2021-05-13 10:03:59	unix_01	if someone tell me i am not copy paste
2021-05-13 10:04:00	unix_01	:)
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2021-05-13 10:04:40	dvl	unix_01: automated solutions help.
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2021-05-13 10:04:50	unix_01	yep
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2021-05-13 10:05:09	parv	dvl, use a bit more complex counting than a simple grep: note the time of last 100 counts; ignore everything before that time when looking for next 100. That is, if you would still like to be notified of next 100 error strings
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2021-05-13 10:06:10	unix_01	any idea?:)
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2021-05-13 10:12:05	unix_01	dvl: i tried all solution :( i spent for it 3 day
2021-05-13 10:12:38	dvl	parv: keeping track of the time becomes the hard part of coding.
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2021-05-13 10:13:17	dvl	unix_01: time for the freebsd mailing lists
2021-05-13 10:14:00	unix_01	w.t.f
2021-05-13 10:14:45	unix_01	thanks for the help
2021-05-13 10:14:48	unix_01	bye
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2021-05-13 10:17:34	parv	dvl: consider time to be an ever increasing value for your case. Then you would need to keep track (sqlite, dbd, plain file) only one value
2021-05-13 10:18:01	dvl	too much coding though....
2021-05-13 10:18:14	dvl	too many edge cases I fear.
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2021-05-13 10:19:15	dvl	How do I grep from one date in the file forward? How does log rotation affect this solution?
2021-05-13 10:19:48	dvl	'grep -c ErrorMesssage file' is simple. No finding dates etc.
2021-05-13 10:20:04	 *	parv gives up.
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2021-05-13 10:26:51	dvl	parv: I think you are correct for a permanent solution, but for something quick and easy, I don't know how to code that.
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2021-05-13 10:29:11	parv	dvl, but that "quick and easy" gives you "reset" issue to solve in turn.?
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2021-05-13 10:30:11	dvl	parv: I think I can do that RESET by manually running newsylog with a custom configuration file.
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2021-05-13 10:30:39	parv	dvl, great. then you don't have issues now.
2021-05-13 10:31:13	dvl	parv: I need to work within my coding boundaries. :/
2021-05-13 10:31:41	parv	:-| indeed
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2021-05-13 10:32:45	parv	dvl, can't you fire up log rotation after issuing alert?
2021-05-13 10:33:36	dvl	parv: You want the alerts reset after taking action to correct the situation. That requires manual intervention, and that's when you rotate.
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2021-05-13 10:33:53	parv	dvl, ah right.
2021-05-13 10:34:08	dvl	This situation hopefully gets fixed soonish, and we are trying to avoid users detecting the problem and reporting it. We want to find it first.
2021-05-13 10:34:38	dvl	By "detecting the problem",  I mean "being affected by the problem"
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2021-05-13 11:01:23	ceri	dvl: other options to play with include "tail -r" and "grep -A 100 ${restart_string}" if the error log is logged apache restarts
2021-05-13 11:01:35	ceri	dvl: trial and error needed perhaps
2021-05-13 11:01:48	dvl	ceri: Thanks
2021-05-13 11:02:02	ceri	dvl: oh also "grep -m 1" if going backwards
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2021-05-13 11:02:56	ceri	dvl: tail -r error_log | grep -m 1 ${restart_string} should give you the most recent restart
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2021-05-13 11:09:24	kevans91	ceri: ahoy!
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2021-05-13 11:11:59	kevans91	ceri: if it's not inappropriate to ask, how long were you away?
2021-05-13 11:12:14	ceri	 /me waves.
2021-05-13 11:12:20	ceri	kevans91: 9 years I think?
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2021-05-13 11:12:46	kevans91	oh, wow. Welcome back! :-)
2021-05-13 11:12:46	debdrup	I think my break turned out to be close to 15 years.
2021-05-13 11:12:55	debdrup	I've been back for a while now, though.
2021-05-13 11:13:06	ceri	thanks :D
2021-05-13 11:13:31	ceri	was running 5-CURRENT at the time anyway
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2021-05-13 11:14:42	ceri	oh wait that's not true.
2021-05-13 11:15:01	ceri	https://twitter.com/ceri/status/1332744865294258177?s=20 - 7.4-STABLE
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2021-05-13 11:15:39	kevans91	Predates my use in any event =p
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2021-05-13 11:16:54	ceri	it's all different and yet, somehow the same :D
2021-05-13 11:17:26	kevans91	you get git now!
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2021-05-13 11:18:11	ceri	yeah, jury is out on whether that is good.  i didn't really adjust to svn very well
2021-05-13 11:18:26	ceri	I mean, it's good for the project.  I just mean for me :D
2021-05-13 11:19:21	kevans91	eheh
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2021-05-13 11:19:45	kevans91	At least you chose to give it a shot =)
2021-05-13 11:20:09	ceri	indeed!
2021-05-13 11:20:35	ceri	learnt a heck of a lot in this community, why not do some more?
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2021-05-13 11:23:05	kevans91	Mutual learning opportunities are the best
2021-05-13 11:25:55	ceri	agreed
2021-05-13 11:26:21	ceri	git primer does seem well written, so kudos to those responsible
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2021-05-13 11:45:32	anexit	Why can I not update my pkg?
2021-05-13 11:45:40	anexit	pkg upgrade virtualbox-ose-6.1.18
2021-05-13 11:45:56	anexit	Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
2021-05-13 11:45:56	anexit	FreeBSD repository is up to date.
2021-05-13 11:45:57	anexit	All repositories are up to date.
2021-05-13 11:45:57	anexit	Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
2021-05-13 11:45:57	anexit	Your packages are up to date.
2021-05-13 11:46:02	 *	ceri makes a note that you can't HUP bitchx
2021-05-13 11:46:16	anexit	BUT virtualbox is at 6.1.2.2
2021-05-13 11:47:30	RypPn	you're on quarterly
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2021-05-13 11:50:10	anexit	/usr/ports show 6.1.22
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2021-05-13 12:50:24	debdrup	anexit: please don't paste into the channel.
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2021-05-13 12:51:34	debdrup	https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=9674c2e68c61 hooray, ng_bridge is now multithreaded.
2021-05-13 12:51:35	VimDiesel	Title: src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.FreeBSD.org)
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2021-05-13 13:02:24	anexit	I was able to upgrade so I'm good!  Just need to figure out why vbox_headless="srver1 srv.srv" isn't working
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2021-05-13 14:07:27	FUZxxl	any recommendation for a MIPS board to test FreeBSD on?
2021-05-13 14:07:31	FUZxxl	I want to port a program written in MIPS assembly.
2021-05-13 14:07:42	FUZxxl	A RISC-V board would be great, too
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2021-05-13 14:11:47	epony	FUZxxl, what does that program do?
2021-05-13 14:12:30	CosmicDJ	FUZxxl: looks like there's just 1 RISC-V board supported right now https://wiki.freebsd.org/riscv also there's no mention of MIPS https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/announce/
2021-05-13 14:12:31	VimDiesel	Title: riscv - FreeBSD Wiki (at wiki.freebsd.org)
2021-05-13 14:13:41	sig12	after connecting to my skullcandy crusher wireless head set I run: virtual_oss -C 2 -c 2 -r 48000 -b 16 -s 768 -R /dev/null -p /dev/bluetooth/crusher -d dsp
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2021-05-13 14:14:08	sig12	I get backend_bt: PSM=0x19   :   backend_bt: Could not connect to HC: 5
2021-05-13 14:14:30	sig12	but all other bt soundbars work, just can't connect to the crusher wireless headset.
2021-05-13 14:14:59	sig12	werll I can connect just not with virtual_oss it seems
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2021-05-13 14:17:25	sig12	do some headsets come with bt version 4 or 5? cause those aren't supported correct? but all should be backwards compatible?
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2021-05-13 14:18:10	FUZxxl	epony: it's a Forth system
2021-05-13 14:18:24	FUZxxl	one problem will be that it's for 32 bit RISC-V
2021-05-13 14:18:38	FUZxxl	(RISC-V and MIPS are so similar, the code assembles for both and works equally well)
2021-05-13 14:18:50	moon-child	assembly polyglot?
2021-05-13 14:18:52	moon-child	nice
2021-05-13 14:19:33	FUZxxl	it's called Mecrisp Quintus if you want to check it out
2021-05-13 14:19:41	FUZxxl	RISC-V is basically a re-skinned MIPS, so it's fairly doable
2021-05-13 14:19:50	FUZxxl	still impressive tho
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2021-05-13 14:57:05	auxin	I recently put a rpi to good use and have it creating a wireless network, which works for other devices fine, but my freebsd system drops the connection way too frequently, why might this happen, how can I avoid future instances of it?
2021-05-13 15:00:30	epony	FUZxxl, sounds interesting.. I recall some FreeBSD dev put Forth in the boot loader too
2021-05-13 15:01:13	sig12	ok finally got this bluetooth figured out. got it working on everything. Just figured out the wireless crusher headset issue. I can now run sound to my wireless headphones and laptop speakers at the same time. headset playing music and chromium playing youtube.
2021-05-13 15:01:39	mzar	nice
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2021-05-13 15:01:57	mzar	are you able to adjust volume ?
2021-05-13 15:03:11	sig12	yes
2021-05-13 15:03:41	sig12	I can adjust the laptop sound with mixer and wireless headset
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2021-05-13 15:05:00	sig12	laptop speakers are /dev/dsp0 and headset is /dev/dsp1
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2021-05-13 15:06:41	sig12	I was able to figure out soundbars and other bluetooth devices but could not get bt headphones figured out until today.
2021-05-13 15:07:19	mzar	what was the culprit ?
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2021-05-13 15:10:22	sig12	mzar: pcm0 was enumerated before pcm1
2021-05-13 15:10:43	FUZxxl	epony: yeah
2021-05-13 15:10:53	FUZxxl	epony: this Forth system is pretty cool though
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2021-05-13 15:11:02	FUZxxl	It has an optimising compiler that generates native code
2021-05-13 15:11:07	sig12	because it is a integrated sound. had to do: sysctl hw.snd.default=1
2021-05-13 15:11:09	FUZxxl	so the performance is comparable to that of C code
2021-05-13 15:11:39	sig12	need to make a Qt gui for this bluetooth stuff.
2021-05-13 15:12:07	sig12	mzar: I made some notes if you want to see them.
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2021-05-13 15:14:14	mzar	nice, if you can share
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2021-05-13 15:17:51	sig12	mzar: I dcc'd it
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2021-05-13 15:18:29	mzar	cool
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2021-05-13 15:19:32	auxin	I have no idea how to determine why the wireless drops so frequently.
2021-05-13 15:20:43	sig12	mzar: https://pastebin.com/4PcwwJ7X
2021-05-13 15:20:44	VimDiesel	Title: #IMPORTANT: It is important that "sudo service bluetooth start ubt0#Follow t - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-05-13 15:20:53	sig12	auxin: what wifi driver and card?
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2021-05-13 15:21:55	mzar	sig12: thanks
2021-05-13 15:22:01	auxin	sig12, I'm not sure, It's a pci card, I'll look into it.
2021-05-13 15:22:08	sig12	dmesg
2021-05-13 15:23:07	auxin	sig12: it's a Qualcomm Atheros AR5418 Wireless Network Adapter
2021-05-13 15:23:23	auxin	it doesn't usually have any intermittant connection issues.
2021-05-13 15:23:35	auxin	If I connect it to the main wifi, it's fine.
2021-05-13 15:23:49	auxin	should I attempt to use a different band with the wireless network?
2021-05-13 15:24:11	sig12	auxin: the one you have issues with, is it a 5G connection or a 2.4Ghz connection?
2021-05-13 15:24:26	auxin	I believe it's 5ghz
2021-05-13 15:24:48	auxin	no 2.4GHz BG ap
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2021-05-13 15:26:17	sig12	auxin: I have issues with this wifi usb adapter running on 5G
2021-05-13 15:26:40	auxin	I switched it to channel 1
2021-05-13 15:26:51	auxin	we will see.
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2021-05-13 15:28:42	moon-child	at the tty login, if I enter more than 30 characters and then press C-u, only the first 30 are erased
2021-05-13 15:28:44	moon-child	can anyone repro?
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2021-05-13 15:29:13	sig12	moon-child: one sec
2021-05-13 15:30:02	sig12	moon-child: all delete for me
2021-05-13 15:31:45	moon-child	huh
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2021-05-13 17:21:02	mtu	devel/readline-8.1.0_1 fails to patch ...? this known?
2021-05-13 17:21:16	mtu	(this is latest ports tree on 13.0 w/ poudriere)
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2021-05-13 17:24:04	xtao	it did on mine
2021-05-13 17:24:31	mtu	that's weird. this is as vanilla as it gets ...
2021-05-13 17:24:41	xtao	same setup, 13.0-RELEASE and poudriere
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2021-05-13 17:25:33	mtu	xtao: could you just update your portstree and "poudriere testport devel/readline"?
2021-05-13 17:26:29	mtu	maybe i'm suffering from artifacts left by some git f*ckery about branches *sigh* gonna re-clone the ports tree
2021-05-13 17:26:50	xtao	===>  Patching for readline-8.1.0_1
2021-05-13 17:26:53	xtao	===>  Applying FreeBSD patches for readline-8.1.0_1 from /usr/ports/devel/readline/files
2021-05-13 17:26:56	xtao	no errors
2021-05-13 17:27:01	mtu	thanks :)
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2021-05-13 17:32:49	mtu	xtao: yep, problem's gone after re-cloning the ports tree
2021-05-13 17:33:07	mtu	"git hates you" was the wisest thing i read in a long time ... *sigh
2021-05-13 17:34:01	xtao	https://xkcd.com/1597/
2021-05-13 17:34:02	VimDiesel	Title: xkcd: Git (at xkcd.com)
2021-05-13 17:35:14	mtu	accurate as always
2021-05-13 17:36:16	mtu	just think of branches as function sets on n-dimensional hilbert spaces
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2021-05-13 17:50:32	javashin	hi
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2021-05-13 17:51:09	javashin	where is the link to the linux containers to be used on linuxator ?
2021-05-13 17:51:51	javashin	please share it , someone give it to me before , with all the distros
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2021-05-13 17:54:22	javashin	this channel is not logged
2021-05-13 17:54:26	javashin	:|
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2021-05-13 17:56:55	meena	javashin: you mean https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails ?
2021-05-13 17:56:56	VimDiesel	Title: LinuxJails - FreeBSD Wiki (at wiki.freebsd.org)
2021-05-13 17:57:44	javashin	yeah , but
2021-05-13 17:59:40	javashin	i need rootfs's
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2021-05-13 18:06:52	jnewt	can someone help me get my printcap file sorted to add an additional network printer?  https://bpa.st/FXVA  is the file as it sits.   both are zebra label printers.  lp is local and prints fine.   i'm trying to add lr a remote network printer.   i get a warning during chkprintcap saying that it found 2 entries but only found 1 queues to process. and when i run lpr -P lr ./myzpl files it says lr is an unknown printer (works fine with lp)
2021-05-13 18:06:53	VimDiesel	Title: View paste FXVA (at bpa.st)
2021-05-13 18:07:37	jnewt	I cannot seem to understand how to apply the handbook information.   can tell you what each thing means, but not what is actually needed to accomplish my task.
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2021-05-13 18:14:25	kiwiirc	is there any way to lock a terminal (lock) and put a system to sleep (acpiconf -s 3) at the same time so when the system resumes from sleep, a pw will be required to do anything with the system?
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2021-05-13 18:17:22	kiwiirc	`lock -np && acpiconf -s 3` obviously doesn't work
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2021-05-13 18:28:06	sig12	window managers do that kiwiirc
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2021-05-13 18:28:58	sig12	I wonder if you could see how they do it
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2021-05-13 18:35:04	kiwiirc	ya but it's not secure. i use i3 and i can do i3lock && acpiconf -s 3, and that seems to work but not really because you can just switch ttys and bypass the pw entry
2021-05-13 18:35:22	kiwiirc	if you switch back to the tty that launched x
2021-05-13 18:35:29	kiwiirc	know what i mean?
2021-05-13 18:35:44	sig12	gotcha
2021-05-13 18:35:57	sig12	I'm sure someone has done this that uses i3
2021-05-13 18:36:09	sig12	endless scripts out there
2021-05-13 18:36:38	kiwiirc	'k'
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2021-05-15 11:04:03	--	Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
2021-05-15 11:04:07	kiwiirc	no taking the pidfile stuff out was wrong i think. when i put it back in and looked in the pid files that were created, their proc numbers matched what ps -aux shows for Xorg and xinit
2021-05-15 11:04:42	kiwiirc	i think i need to add procname so it can correlate pid with name
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2021-05-15 11:13:37	kiwiirc	ya that was it
2021-05-15 11:13:55	kiwiirc	i added procname which is the path to xinit, and now i can onestatus and onerestart etc
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2021-05-15 11:26:30	kiwiirc	https://termbin.com/ij5c how can i use the commented out task line for my rc script? it uses an env var my user has set that i could use before i switched from su to daemon.
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2021-05-15 11:33:31	sig_9	am I doing something wrong with freebsd cups? after installing cups and adding cupsd_enable="YES" I still cannot get a gui at localhost:631
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2021-05-15 11:34:38	sig_9	this is on my raspberry pi with freebsd
2021-05-15 11:34:45	sig_9	maybe cups server isn't working?
2021-05-15 11:36:09	CosmicDJ	sig_9: service cupsd status
2021-05-15 11:36:34	sig_9	yes it is
2021-05-15 11:37:25	CosmicDJ	sig_9: it's what?
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2021-05-15 11:37:50	sig_9	it is running
2021-05-15 11:38:29	sig_9	apache doesn't have to be running no?
2021-05-15 11:38:30	CosmicDJ	sig_9: netstat -anf inet | grep 631
2021-05-15 11:39:07	CosmicDJ	cups has a built-in webserver
2021-05-15 11:39:12	sig_9	udp4           0                  0 *.631    *.*
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2021-05-15 11:39:46	sig_9	is there a way to purge cups and reinstall it with all config files?
2021-05-15 11:39:54	sig_9	I just need to start clean
2021-05-15 11:40:16	sig_9	but I can't access the other fbsd laptop running cups as well.
2021-05-15 11:40:30	CosmicDJ	sig_9: udp? which proc is running on that port? sockstat -4 | grep 631
2021-05-15 11:40:31	sig_9	but I can at least get a gui on localhost:631
2021-05-15 11:41:20	sig_9	cups-brows 1213  4 udp4   *:631
2021-05-15 11:41:57	CosmicDJ	sig_9: nc -vz localhost 631   shows what?
2021-05-15 11:42:30	sig_9	# Log general information in error_log - change "info" to "debug" for
2021-05-15 11:42:32	sig_9	# troubleshooting...
2021-05-15 11:42:33	sig_9	LogLevel info
2021-05-15 11:42:35	sig_9	# Administrator user group...
2021-05-15 11:42:36	sig_9	SystemGroup wheel
2021-05-15 11:42:38	sig_9	# Listen for connections on Port 631.
2021-05-15 11:42:39	sig_9	Port 631
2021-05-15 11:42:41	sig_9	#Listen localhost:631
2021-05-15 11:42:42	sig_9	Listen /var/run/cups.sock
2021-05-15 11:42:44	sig_9	# Show shared printers on the local network.
2021-05-15 11:42:45	sig_9	Browsing On
2021-05-15 11:42:47	sig_9	BrowseOrder allow,deny
2021-05-15 11:42:48	sig_9	#BrowseAllow @LOCAL
2021-05-15 11:42:50	sig_9	BrowseAllow 192.168.1.* # change to local LAN settings
2021-05-15 11:42:51	sig_9	BrowseAddress 192.168.1.* # change to local LAN settings
2021-05-15 11:42:53	sig_9	# Default authentication type, when authentication is required...
2021-05-15 11:42:54	sig_9	DefaultAuthType Basic
2021-05-15 11:42:56	sig_9	DefaultEncryption Never # comment this line to allow encryption
2021-05-15 11:42:57	sig_9	# Allow access to the server from any machine on the LAN
2021-05-15 11:42:59	sig_9	<Location />
2021-05-15 11:43:00	sig_9	  Order allow,deny
2021-05-15 11:43:02	sig_9	  #Allow localhost
2021-05-15 11:43:03	sig_9	  Allow 192.168.1.* # change to local LAN settings
2021-05-15 11:43:05	sig_9	</Location>
2021-05-15 11:43:06	sig_9	# Allow access to the admin pages from any machine on the LAN
2021-05-15 11:43:08	sig_9	<Location /admin>
2021-05-15 11:43:09	sig_9	  #Encryption Required
2021-05-15 11:43:11	sig_9	  Order allow,deny
2021-05-15 11:43:12	sig_9	  #Allow localhost
2021-05-15 11:43:14	sig_9	  Allow 192.168.1.* # change to local LAN settings
2021-05-15 11:43:15	sig_9	</Location>
2021-05-15 11:43:16	V_PauAmma_V	Please don't paste in channel. See /topic.
2021-05-15 11:43:17	sig_9	# Allow access to configuration files from any machine on the LAN
2021-05-15 11:43:18	sig_9	<Location /admin/conf>
2021-05-15 11:43:20	sig_9	  AuthType Basic
2021-05-15 11:43:21	sig_9	  Require user @SYSTEM
2021-05-15 11:43:23	sig_9	  Order allow,deny
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2021-05-15 11:44:15	kiwiirc	damn
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2021-05-15 11:46:54	Sylhouette	sig_9 please use https://bsd.to to paste the output of your commands.
2021-05-15 11:46:55	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste (at bsd.to)
2021-05-15 11:48:04	mzar	hm... he should have pasted it rather to #apache
2021-05-15 11:49:56	kiwiirc	how can daemon's target user's env be used to run daemon's task? i wanna use the commented out task line in https://termbin.com/ij5c for my rc script. it uses an env var my user has set that i could use before i switched from su to daemon.
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2021-05-15 11:52:22	RhodiumToad	you should probably use su -l as well as daemon
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2021-05-15 11:52:47	kiwiirc	hm i tried that lemme paste it
2021-05-15 11:52:58	RhodiumToad	env -U username  sets the environment from login.conf the way that su -l does, but it doesn't do setlogin or other administrativia
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2021-05-15 11:56:24	kiwiirc	https://termbin.com/vexi that's how i tried to use su and daemon together but xinit still failed on /X11/xinitrc (the env var obviously was blank)
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2021-05-15 11:56:50	kiwiirc	ill try env
2021-05-15 11:59:24	kiwiirc	how should env be added in? task="env -U kiwiirc 'xinit $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/X11/xinitrc vt9'" doesn't work
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2021-05-15 12:18:02	RhodiumToad	your problem there is that the task="..." line doesn't do what you think
2021-05-15 12:18:19	RhodiumToad	the ' are not special inside "...", so the $var gets expanded too soon
2021-05-15 12:18:52	kiwiirc	hm
2021-05-15 12:18:56	RhodiumToad	you need  task='su -l kiwiirc -c '\''xinit $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/X11/xinitrc vt9'\'''
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2021-05-15 12:19:27	kiwiirc	oh escape
2021-05-15 12:19:28	RhodiumToad	(the sequence '\'' is one of the two ways to escape ' within '...', the other is '"'"'
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2021-05-15 12:19:43	kiwiirc	makse sense
2021-05-15 12:20:28	RhodiumToad	and as I said, env doesn't do everything that su -l does
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2021-05-15 12:26:08	kiwiirc	i tried exactly task='su -l kiwiirc -c '\''xinit $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/X11/xinitrc vt9'\''' but it failed that "/X11/xinitrc: not found" so the env var must still be coming through blank
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2021-05-15 12:36:57	RhodiumToad	no
2021-05-15 12:37:03	RhodiumToad	how was $task then used?
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2021-05-15 12:42:35	kiwiirc	well just like it is in https://termbin.com/vexi i only changed task line
2021-05-15 12:42:47	kiwiirc	does it need another layer of quotes somewhere?
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2021-05-15 12:53:46	kiwiirc	https://termbin.com/8pdi is the line as it gets assembled i think. gonna try it via command line until i get it working then put it back into the rc script
2021-05-15 12:53:56	kiwiirc	seems like it needs quoting
2021-05-15 12:54:07	RhodiumToad	oh
2021-05-15 12:54:12	RhodiumToad	you mistyped I think
2021-05-15 12:54:20	RhodiumToad	the '\'' is four characters
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2021-05-15 12:54:34	kiwiirc	ah
2021-05-15 12:54:36	RhodiumToad	i.e.  ' \ ' '  (three single quotes and a backslash)
2021-05-15 12:54:44	RhodiumToad	you had a double quote instead
2021-05-15 12:57:50	kiwiirc	yep now it runs! but procname needs to be fixed because it can't service onestop anymore
2021-05-15 12:58:15	kiwiirc	instead of changing procname to add in the su -l part, can i set a more friendly name and use that for procname too?
2021-05-15 12:58:22	kiwiirc	gonna try that
2021-05-15 12:58:27	RhodiumToad	you have a pidfile now so it shouldn't need a procname
2021-05-15 12:59:24	kiwiirc	when i tried pidfile only before it didn't 'find' that it was running. i had to add procname
2021-05-15 12:59:39	kiwiirc	when i searched for info it was something about matching both the pid and the name
2021-05-15 12:59:57	kiwiirc	because another service could have started with that same pid so it'd be a false match unless it checks name too?
2021-05-15 13:02:21	kiwiirc	https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/rc-d-doesnt-see-my-pidfile.69141/#post-413537
2021-05-15 13:02:22	VimDiesel	Title: rc.d doesn't see my pidfile | The FreeBSD Forums (at forums.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-15 13:16:10	kiwiirc	if i set pidfile in the rc script, should that be the pidfile of daemon or the pidfile of what i have daemon run?
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2021-05-15 13:25:14	kiwiirc	hm weird. when i changed procname to "su", onestop stopped complaining about myscript not running, but now it says waiting for pids and has the right pid but keeps repeating it forever
2021-05-15 13:25:18	kiwiirc	doesn't actually terminate
2021-05-15 13:26:49	RhodiumToad	su probably doesn't forward any signals
2021-05-15 13:27:57	kiwiirc	how can i make this work then?
2021-05-15 13:29:04	kiwiirc	maybe switch to sudo?
2021-05-15 13:32:22	kiwiirc	or maybe switch the order around so the script command is su and it runs daemon with my task?
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2021-05-15 13:48:34	kiwiirc	k i switched it around where rc command is su and it runs daemon + xinit, but i get permission denied on the pidfile
2021-05-15 13:49:02	kiwiirc	dunno how to get it working
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2021-05-15 14:48:55	sunrunner20	how much higher can I update iocage jails than the base OS?
2021-05-15 14:49:09	sunrunner20	base is 11.3 P7
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2021-05-15 14:51:04	mzar	it's risky to update jails higher than the base
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2021-05-15 14:53:55	Sylhouette	On my FreeBSD 13-STABLE i see a very slow pkg version -vL=
2021-05-15 14:54:17	Sylhouette	On my 13.0-RELEASE it is almost instant.
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2021-05-15 14:58:39	Sylhouette	/usr/bin/time pkg version on 13-RELEASE is  0.11 real         0.00 user         0.10 sys  on the stable machine 33.97 real        17.33 user         7.27 sys
2021-05-15 15:00:55	mzar	Sylhouette: you need index
2021-05-15 15:01:13	mzar	cd /usr/ports && make fetchindex
2021-05-15 15:01:53	Sylhouette	Ah is that what is missing when doing the portstree using git!
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2021-05-15 15:02:31	mzar	cd /usr/ports ; gitup ports && make fetchindex
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2021-05-15 15:03:22	Sylhouette	Thanks, i thought it was something after the switch to git from portsnap.  Thank you very much.
2021-05-15 15:03:47	mzar	portsnap should fetch
2021-05-15 15:04:02	mzar	and portsnap still works
2021-05-15 15:04:48	mzar	portsnap provides a bit delayed ports tree snapshot but probably works faster than gitup
2021-05-15 15:05:58	Sylhouette	Yes it does now indeed, but i went to git on that stable machine. And at the time portsnap was not updating, so i thought, well lets do git for ports as well. I just did the fetchindex and it is fast again.
2021-05-15 15:07:01	mzar	same here, I am not building portsnap on STABLE anymore
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2021-05-15 15:07:48	mzar	Sylhouette: you can also make own index "make index"
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2021-05-15 15:13:10	kiwiirc	im making an rc script that daemonizes my x session. (xinit $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/X11/xinitrc vt9) i tried using daemon -u kiwiirc, but that doesn't find $XDG_CONFIG_HOME which defined in my user's .login_conf. i can't wrap the xinit with a su -l either, because su doesn't pass signals through so service onestop won't work
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2021-05-15 15:14:18	Sylhouette	mzar: thanks, time to make it a oneliner!
2021-05-15 15:15:46	mzar	?
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2021-05-15 15:22:59	Sylhouette	an alias, create the command portsup that does the git part and the fetchindex. ;-)
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2021-05-15 18:16:11	RhodiumToad	kiwiirc: your best bet is to stuck with su, but possibly provide your own stop_cmd in the script
2021-05-15 18:16:19	RhodiumToad	*stick
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2021-05-15 18:31:53	crb	graphics card prices are *insane* these days
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2021-05-15 18:36:10	kiwiirc	globalism ftl
2021-05-15 18:36:46	kiwiirc	RhodiumToad ok ill do that. good workaround. seems like an oversight in daemon that it can't get su -l like behavior from -u no?
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2021-05-15 19:00:28	kiwiirc	what's the right way to make a custom stop_cmd? would i use the pidfile or something else?
2021-05-15 19:00:47	kiwiirc	my current hack is pkill Xorg :P
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2021-05-15 19:04:22	RhodiumToad	you could try killing the process group rather than just the single process.
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2021-05-15 19:10:31	kiwiirc	what should i search for to learn about process groups?
2021-05-15 19:10:38	kiwiirc	daemon man page didn't have anything
2021-05-15 19:11:49	RhodiumToad	one of daemon's jobs is to put itself into a new session, which also implies a new process group
2021-05-15 19:12:00	RhodiumToad	man setsid  and man setpgrp,  also man kill
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2021-05-15 19:12:40	RhodiumToad	ps axj  will list running processes with their pgrps
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2021-05-15 19:14:09	RhodiumToad	note that the pgid of a new pgrp created by daemon will always be the same as the pid
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2021-05-15 19:53:21	dadv	kiwiirc: can you elaborate what are trying to achive by "daemonizing" user X session?
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2021-05-15 19:55:00	dadv	and why don't you use standard tools like X display manager?
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2021-05-15 19:56:03	dadv	with XDMCP etc.
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2021-05-15 20:58:25	kiwiirc	dadv i have to start x session in bg so i can logout of my tty so when im using x session i can lock it with i3lock and have my workstation actually locked
2021-05-15 20:58:46	kiwiirc	otherwise all you gotta do to bypass i3lock is switch to tty that started x, kill process and be in my account
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2021-05-15 21:03:59	_xor	Is the Z suffix required or optional in an ISO 8601 formatted string?
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2021-05-15 21:05:03	_xor	Oh wait, I think I just stumbled into it. It's required I'm guessing by this grammar.
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2021-05-15 21:35:40	echoSMILE	Its ok to use zfs + FDE with grub(not 2) ?
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2021-05-15 21:46:01	koobs	ceri: Yep, https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Cloaks#Instructions_for_requesting_a_cloak in #freebsd-ops, thanks :)
2021-05-15 21:46:02	VimDiesel	Title: IRC/Cloaks - FreeBSD Wiki (at wiki.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-15 21:54:09	koobs	_xor: Z means UTC, not required for anything else
2021-05-15 21:54:16	koobs	_xor: from my understanding
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2021-05-15 21:54:50	koobs	_xor:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Time_zone_designators
2021-05-15 21:54:51	VimDiesel	Title: ISO 8601 - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-05-15 21:55:13	koobs	eiter Z or +/-hh[:mm]
2021-05-15 21:55:33	koobs	"If the time is in UTC, add a Z directly after the time without a space. Z is the zone designator for the zero UTC offset."
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2021-05-15 22:12:37	RhodiumToad	kiwiirc: you know that's not an issue if you're using a display manager, right? in that case there would be no logged-in session to switch to
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2021-05-15 22:18:38	wcarson	are TEST_DEPENDS in ports optional?
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2021-05-15 22:19:48	wcarson	it seems something has changed between now and May 6th when i last built my ports, and now mariadb105-server requires cmake, which requires py-sphinx, which requires py-requests, which requires urllib3, which has a lot of TEST_DEPENDS that seem to then require py-numpy, which requires gcc10... which i'd like to avoid.
2021-05-15 22:20:20	RhodiumToad	TEST_DEPENDS aren't usually required, depends what you're doing
2021-05-15 22:20:38	RhodiumToad	fetch-recursive and config-recursive will try and fetch or configure them which is a nuisance
2021-05-15 22:20:59	RhodiumToad	putting TEST_DEPENDS="" on your make command line is a convenient way to disable that
2021-05-15 22:21:00	wcarson	but perhaps they aren't built?
2021-05-15 22:21:25	RhodiumToad	they won't be built unless you actually try and test the port
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2021-05-15 22:21:51	wcarson	hmm, ok, i was bailing at the config-recurse
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2021-05-15 22:22:16	wcarson	i'll define the options and see if it tries to build.. my build system is slow, so building gcc would be annoying
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2021-05-15 22:22:40	RhodiumToad	config-recursive is broken anyway
2021-05-15 22:23:00	wcarson	well, it was a poudriere-options, i assume it was config-recursive
2021-05-15 22:23:03	RhodiumToad	it decides what to recurse into before actually processing any options, so it won't get everything
2021-05-15 22:23:21	RhodiumToad	yeah, poudriere-options is broken the same way because that's what it does
2021-05-15 22:23:34	kiwiirc	RhodiumToad ya but i dont wanna use a dm
2021-05-15 22:23:40	wcarson	ok, fingers crossed i didn't just add several hours to my build time :D
2021-05-15 22:23:44	kiwiirc	just like using minimal stuff
2021-05-15 22:24:09	RhodiumToad	wcarson: if you must do config-recursive or poudriere-testport you may need to run it multiple times
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2021-05-15 22:24:26	RhodiumToad	(since if you add any option that pulls in dependencies, those won't have been configured)
2021-05-15 22:24:35	wcarson	i see
2021-05-15 22:25:37	 *	RhodiumToad prefers to put all options into make.conf
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2021-05-15 22:50:54	angry_vincent	RhodiumToad: can you paste it, if not a secret? :)
2021-05-15 22:51:05	RhodiumToad	what, the make.conf?
2021-05-15 22:51:16	angry_vincent	yes.
2021-05-15 22:51:38	RhodiumToad	it's actually several make.conf files, per arch etc.
2021-05-15 22:52:07	RhodiumToad	options are set by using category_portname_SET+=WHATEVER  or  category_portname_UNSET+=WHATEVER
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2021-05-15 22:53:20	RhodiumToad	the actual option settings are not very interesting
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2021-05-15 22:55:59	angry_vincent	oh, ok
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2021-05-15 23:06:52	wcarson	RhodiumToad: cool, you were right! it's not building gcc afterall. whew
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2021-05-15 23:06:59	wcarson	thanks for teaching me something today :)
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2021-05-15 23:10:47	RhodiumToad	the extent of TEST_DEPENDS can be quite staggering
2021-05-15 23:12:17	RhodiumToad	I started adding TEST_DEPENDS="" to invocations of fetch-recursive when I noticed some port was pulling in gdal as a test dependency
2021-05-15 23:12:29	RhodiumToad	which pulls in a whole lot of GIS data
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2021-05-15 23:17:16	RhodiumToad	get this:
2021-05-15 23:17:52	RhodiumToad	audio/lv2 (an audio plugin interface) pulls in textproc/py-rdflib
2021-05-15 23:18:13	RhodiumToad	py-rdflib has a test depend on math/py-networkx
2021-05-15 23:19:06	RhodiumToad	py-networkx depends on GDAL by default ("Support of raster geospatial data formats") which pulls in graphics/py-gdal
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2021-05-15 23:19:50	RhodiumToad	which pulls in graphics/gdal
2021-05-15 23:22:02	RhodiumToad	which has a total of 360 dependencies, ranging from cairo to nss to llvm to perl to postgresql-client
2021-05-15 23:22:14	ghoti	Well, what if your audio plugin needs to support A-57? C'mon.
2021-05-15 23:22:47	ghoti	But if ever there was an argument for {ports cleanup || binary packages}, this is it.
2021-05-15 23:23:32	RhodiumToad	well in this case it's an argument for using TEST_DEPENDS="" when doing fetch-recursive
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2021-05-16 08:07:13	echoSMILE	Booting FreeBSD process from grub seems to use only a small part of the screen in a way is not possible to read the install options. Is there anything I need to set or load like a module before boot ?
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2021-05-16 08:40:14	Ampera	I seem to be having an issue booting FreeBSD as a xen DomU. The host is also FreeBSD (both 12.2) as a Dom0. Put simply, the boot keeps hanging on waiting for xenbusb_nop_confighook_cb
2021-05-16 08:40:22	Ampera	(sorry if that was a repeat message, I couldn't tell if it sent)
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2021-05-16 08:41:39	angry_vincent	i wonder i can get size of everything installe by certain pkg/port, i.e list of content and the size of files
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2021-05-16 08:56:41	kiwiirc	when i use daemon to launch my x session i open a shell and my pwd is /. i have daemon -u to target my user, any way i can change the pwd to my ~?
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2021-05-16 08:57:03	kiwiirc	i can't use su -l with daemon -u because su doesn't pass through stop signals
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2021-05-16 08:59:31	kiwiirc	hm i wonder if sudo would work
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2021-05-16 09:16:07	randombit	i cannot see 13.0 stable on download page. i swear it was there before
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2021-05-16 09:22:49	randombit	anyone knows if there is any, or maybe i was imagining it?
2021-05-16 09:23:15	kiwiirc	what do ya mean?
2021-05-16 09:24:19	randombit	13.0 stable. cant see on download page.
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2021-05-16 09:25:05	kiwiirc	https://www.freebsd.org/ > 13.0?
2021-05-16 09:25:07	VimDiesel	Title: The FreeBSD Project (at www.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-16 09:30:49	kiwiirc	when i run '/usr/sbin/daemon -p /var/run/myscript.pid -u kiwiirc -S sudo -u kiwiirc xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/xinitrc vt9' as root syslog shows it fails to run because "user kiwiirc not allowed to execute xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/xinitrc vt9" as if that whole string is the command. how do i make sudo break that up right?
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2021-05-16 10:09:03	TheBeastie	kiwiirc: do you have a sudo (or sudoers) group?
2021-05-16 10:10:07	TheBeastie	create a group sudo and put kikwiirc in that group (in /etc/group)
2021-05-16 10:10:51	TheBeastie	(then you need to create a new session, the old ones don't get the new group)
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2021-05-16 10:21:22	kiwiirc	i can run xinit as my user so why would i need anything extra in sudo to sudo to my user and run that command?
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2021-05-16 10:55:47	echoSMILE	Any idea how to boot FreeBSD from grub command line?
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2021-05-16 10:57:22	echoSMILE	After I make "kfreebsd (usb0)/boot/kernel/kernel" and "boot" the video resolution is not properly configurated in a way I cannot read any option to install FreeBSD.
2021-05-16 10:57:35	mzar	echoSMILE: do you want to boot from Linux installed grub ?
2021-05-16 10:57:40	mzar	or by hand ?
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2021-05-16 10:59:30	echoSMILE	mzar: the grub is installed at firmware. So, I think the answer is by hand
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2021-05-16 11:00:01	mzar	set kFreeBSD.kern.vty=vt
2021-05-16 11:00:05	mzar	set kFreeBSD.hw.vga.textmode="1"
2021-05-16 11:00:08	mzar	try this
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2021-05-16 11:00:26	mzar	here's my full grub menu --> https://bsd.to/fjNf
2021-05-16 11:00:28	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/fjNf (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-16 11:01:40	mzar	probalby loading both zpool cache and opensolaris.ko could be skiped on stable/13, but I am still booting with this
2021-05-16 11:02:08	mzar	you can also try this: set kFreeBSD.kern.vty=sc
2021-05-16 11:02:57	echoSMILE	mzar: that sets should be made before kfreebsd ... or is indiferent?
2021-05-16 11:03:39	mzar	it doesn't matter, I have it in the order pasted
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2021-05-16 11:04:05	mzar	to boot from OpenZFS you need rether new grub
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2021-05-16 11:04:58	echoSMILE	Well, now if I boot no small area with booting output is showed
2021-05-16 11:05:18	mzar	2 years old or younger grub should be able to access openfzs, there was not problem with older zfs and ufs
2021-05-16 11:05:42	mzar	echoSMILE: so does it work ?
2021-05-16 11:06:13	echoSMILE	mzar: nop, I just see grub menu with screen freeze
2021-05-16 11:07:07	mzar	hm... to boot in verbose mode you probably need kfreebsd /ROOT/default/@/boot/kernel/kernel -v
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2021-05-16 11:08:05	mzar	is your grub able to see these modules and kernel ?
2021-05-16 11:08:12	echoSMILE	yes
2021-05-16 11:08:23	echoSMILE	under (usb0)/ path
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2021-05-16 11:08:40	echoSMILE	let me try -v
2021-05-16 11:09:48	echoSMILE	no change, the boot process is resized for only 1% of the screen at the top
2021-05-16 11:09:57	echoSMILE	*change
2021-05-16 11:10:02	echoSMILE	**chance
2021-05-16 11:11:40	mzar	so does it boot in this 1% or not ?
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2021-05-16 11:12:25	echoSMILE	in that 1% yes, but that is my original problem. Because I cannot read at all.
2021-05-16 11:12:43	mzar	so you have problem with resolution
2021-05-16 11:12:58	mzar	am I right ?
2021-05-16 11:13:07	echoSMILE	yes
2021-05-16 11:14:39	mzar	also with kFreeBSD.kern.vty=sc ?
2021-05-16 11:15:49	echoSMILE	if I set the kFreeBSD.* settings, the 1% of screen doesn't appear and I only can see the GRUB shell
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2021-05-16 11:17:30	mzar	echoSMILE: the default is kFreeBSD.kern.vty=vt, you can try to add kFreeBSD.hw.vga.textmode="1", but letacy sc console is text only and everything should be visibe with set kFreeBSD.kern.vty=sc
2021-05-16 11:17:55	echoSMILE	I tried that too.
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2021-05-16 11:19:09	mzar	I don't know how to change this resolution, probably this thread might be helpful --> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/changing-screen-resolution.60979/
2021-05-16 11:19:10	VimDiesel	Title: Solved - Changing screen resolution | The FreeBSD Forums (at forums.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-16 11:20:02	mzar	err, I mean this one --> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/console-resolution-with-vt.69374/
2021-05-16 11:20:03	VimDiesel	Title: Console resolution with vt | The FreeBSD Forums (at forums.freebsd.org)
2021-05-16 11:21:43	echoSMILE	kFreeBSD. <- this key is for grub ?
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2021-05-16 11:25:15	R2COM	I believe that handbook needs to be overhauled and updated, it *really* misses out lots of important key info which turns out to be critical in many realistic situations
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2021-05-16 11:26:35	R2COM	words like "makesum" or "pkg-list" do not even EXIST in "handbook"
2021-05-16 11:26:38	R2COM	...
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2021-05-16 11:31:16	echoSMILE	mzar: after that setters at grub, the 1% doesn't show and grub is above the installation, Because if I ctrl+alt+del and then enter the system reboots.
2021-05-16 11:31:20	vkarlsen	R2COM: Oh? https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/quick-porting/#porting-checksum
2021-05-16 11:31:22	VimDiesel	Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 3. Quick Porting (at docs.freebsd.org)
2021-05-16 11:32:43	R2COM	hm why i dont see it in pdf
2021-05-16 11:33:08	vkarlsen	That I do not know
2021-05-16 11:33:25	R2COM	you are showing me different stuff
2021-05-16 11:33:29	R2COM	"porters handbook"
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2021-05-16 11:33:37	R2COM	i am talking about*handbook*
2021-05-16 11:33:55	R2COM	ok so they splitted it
2021-05-16 11:33:59	R2COM	and made hadnbook just for that
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2021-05-16 11:42:30	kiwiirc	when i run '/usr/sbin/daemon -p /var/run/myscript.pid -u kiwiirc -S sudo -u kiwiirc xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/xinitrc vt9' as root syslog shows it fails to run because "user kiwiirc not allowed to execute xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/xinitrc vt9". but i can run xinit, so why does it need anything special for sudo -u kiwiirc to run it?
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2021-05-16 12:04:19	debdrup	why are you running as root, dropping to your user, then substitute-user running as your user?
2021-05-16 12:07:43	mzar	echoSMILE: yes, you have to prepend every loader setting wiht set kFreeBSD.
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2021-05-16 12:10:04	kiwiirc	im running as root to test because i dont wanna run as my user which might carry env stuff in. this is for an rc script
2021-05-16 12:10:13	kiwiirc	so ill use it with service myscript onestart
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2021-05-16 12:12:26	debdrup	R2COM: the freebsd documentation project maintains the freebsd handbook, the porters handbook, the developers handbook and the architecture handbook
2021-05-16 12:12:38	R2COM	ok got it thanks
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2021-05-16 12:13:02	debdrup	they're divided this way because it makes sense to split them apart by subject - if everything was in one book, it'd be too unwieldy
2021-05-16 12:13:41	debdrup	i suppose the commiter's guide is technically also a handbook
2021-05-16 12:14:08	ceri	kiwiirc: isn't that what the -u argument to darmon achieves though ?
2021-05-16 12:14:13	ceri	*daemon
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2021-05-16 12:15:48	debdrup	R2COM: oh, and lest i forget, the freebsd documentation primer, which is also a handbook
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2021-05-16 12:17:05	debdrup	we got a lot of handbooks, as it turns out :)
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2021-05-16 12:31:07	echoSMILE	mzar: no luck.
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2021-05-16 12:43:35	R2COM	so I installed some stuff, then decided to uninstall it, but when doing "pkg autoremove" it suspiciously lists MORE packages than previous system used
2021-05-16 12:43:48	R2COM	and I am kinda afraid to remove something what might be used by something else
2021-05-16 12:43:51	R2COM	is there such danger?
2021-05-16 12:44:04	R2COM	trying to understand mechanics of "pkg autoremove"
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2021-05-16 12:44:19	R2COM	is it based on latest installation or overall it checks system and removes exactly what is NOT used?
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2021-05-16 13:01:41	kiwiirc	ceri but when i use daemon to start my x session in an rc script, the x session starts up and i open a bash term and my path is /, not ~ like it should be
2021-05-16 13:02:28	zi	kiwiirc: probably need to set HOME and the other usual envvars
2021-05-16 13:02:38	kiwiirc	set where?
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2021-05-16 13:02:58	kiwiirc	why doesn't daemon chdir to what you give it for -u?
2021-05-16 13:02:59	zi	in the rc script
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2021-05-16 13:03:36	zi	i think by default it uses whatever directory you are in when you launch it
2021-05-16 13:03:41	zi	-c forces it to /
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2021-05-16 13:04:18	kiwiirc	ya that doesn't help
2021-05-16 13:04:18	zi	i think you are likely creating more problems than you are solving by trying to use rc for this
2021-05-16 13:04:30	kiwiirc	why?
2021-05-16 13:04:32	zi	it'd probably be a lot simpler/direct to use a crontab with @reboot
2021-05-16 13:04:54	zi	why? because you've been working on this for days with problem after problem :)
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2021-05-16 13:05:33	kiwiirc	ya and working through each of them. using su and daemon together was working perfectly but i couldn't stop it because stop signals werent being passed through
2021-05-16 13:05:51	kiwiirc	i guess i could keep that working start method then just use a custom stop method
2021-05-16 13:06:04	kiwiirc	pkill Xorg till i find something better
2021-05-16 13:06:41	zi	i mean, do you really need to restart X often?
2021-05-16 13:06:59	kiwiirc	what?
2021-05-16 13:07:05	zi	you can probably fix the HOME issue by setting your usual envvars in the rc script as well as cd $HOME before launching
2021-05-16 13:07:05	dstolfa	kiwiirc: why don't you just do https://paste.debian.net/1197789/
2021-05-16 13:07:07	VimDiesel	Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2021-05-16 13:07:08	dstolfa	instead of using the init system
2021-05-16 13:07:10	dstolfa	init is not meant to startx
2021-05-16 13:07:14	dstolfa	not in this sense, anyway
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2021-05-16 13:07:39	kiwiirc	i dont use startx
2021-05-16 13:07:56	dstolfa	then why not just use lightdm or something
2021-05-16 13:08:00	dstolfa	instead of overcomplicating things with rc
2021-05-16 13:08:17	kiwiirc	dont wanna use a dm
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2021-05-16 13:08:25	dstolfa	this makes very, very little sense
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2021-05-16 13:08:37	dstolfa	why do you need init to start your x11 session
2021-05-16 13:08:39	zi	dstolfa: yea it probably isnt worth arguing over. im with you
2021-05-16 13:08:43	kiwiirc	why? it's nice to be able to start and stop x when i want
2021-05-16 13:08:48	kiwiirc	and have it run backgrounded
2021-05-16 13:08:53	zi	ctrl-alt-backspace to stop
2021-05-16 13:08:59	zi	DONE AND DONE
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2021-05-16 13:09:08	ceri	or alt-f1 to just use a console...
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2021-05-16 13:29:45	hendursaga	Quick question, is there any major gotchas between OpenBSD's doas and FreeBSD's port of it, on the interface level?
2021-05-16 13:30:45	kiwiirc	iirc doas doesn't have any options to load up a target user's full env
2021-05-16 13:30:57	kiwiirc	had to revert to using sudo
2021-05-16 13:31:08	kiwiirc	oh sorry read that as sudo vs doas :)
2021-05-16 13:31:57	hendursaga	Haha no, I know doas is more simple and clean
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2021-05-16 13:35:26	kiwiirc	any way to set an env var like in `daemon -p /var/run/myscript.pid -u kiwiirc -S PWD=/home/kiwiirc xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/X11/xinitrc vt9`? i need PWD so when i start a shell it doesn't start at /
2021-05-16 13:36:38	ceri	kiwiirc: any reason you can't just put "cd" in your shell's rc file?
2021-05-16 13:36:52	kiwiirc	i have that but it's not working for some reason
2021-05-16 13:37:04	kiwiirc	my `env` looks as expected tho so dunno why
2021-05-16 13:37:27	ceri	ah ok - so it's not making a login shell?
2021-05-16 13:37:42	kiwiirc	dunno?
2021-05-16 13:37:52	kiwiirc	what's a login shell?
2021-05-16 13:38:10	ceri	if your .rc is not being parsed then that will be why
2021-05-16 13:38:15	kiwiirc	when i run that command x starts and i can start a bash shell
2021-05-16 13:38:43	ceri	put a cd in your .profile instead?
2021-05-16 13:38:46	kiwiirc	it has to be parsed because i start i3 in there and i3 definitely runs
2021-05-16 13:38:52	kiwiirc	ill try that
2021-05-16 13:39:55	kiwiirc	initial pwd is still /
2021-05-16 13:40:30	ceri	hrm.
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2021-05-16 13:40:58	ceri	you can use /usr/bin/env in that command line mebbe
2021-05-16 13:41:29	ceri	but otherwise i really think you should just use startx :D
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2021-05-16 13:43:17	zi	as mentioned before, HOME probably isnt set
2021-05-16 13:43:54	kiwiirc	HOME is set in env
2021-05-16 13:43:58	petrj	$HOME is 0xfffffffffffffull
2021-05-16 13:46:26	zi	if it's set, then 'cd' would work fine.  id double check it
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2021-05-16 13:46:35	zi	but seriously, you are just making problems for yourself with this approach
2021-05-16 13:47:15	kiwiirc	echo $HOME says what it should
2021-05-16 13:47:51	kiwiirc	zi the reason i want to run xinit backgrounded is so i can logout of the term then just have x logged in
2021-05-16 13:48:51	kiwiirc	how would you do that?
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2021-05-16 13:50:33	zi	@reboot screen -dm startx
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2021-05-16 13:50:46	zi	@reboot daemon startx
2021-05-16 13:51:00	zi	stuff in crontab, be done with it
2021-05-16 13:52:33	kiwiirc	got it working by putting export HOME="/home/kiwiirc" in the rc script!
2021-05-16 13:52:43	kiwiirc	wohoo
2021-05-16 13:53:28	zi	i do believe i said that about an hour ago
2021-05-16 13:53:30	zi	JUST SAYIN
2021-05-16 13:54:31	kiwiirc	onestart/onestop/onerestart/onestatus all work now
2021-05-16 13:55:10	kiwiirc	thanks RhodiumToad
2021-05-16 13:57:30	ceri	..
2021-05-16 13:57:58	pstef_	\/
2021-05-16 13:58:01	petrj	i need a drink
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2021-05-16 15:23:02	Han	Can somebody check if the latest version of git@github.com:hboetes/mg.git builds OK on FreeBSD?
2021-05-16 15:23:14	Han	And works of course.
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2021-05-16 15:26:42	mzar	Han: what prevents you from cheking it ?
2021-05-16 15:26:58	Han	I don't have FreeBSD installed.
2021-05-16 15:27:11	mzar	that's sad story then
2021-05-16 15:27:21	Han	Why would that be?
2021-05-16 15:28:00	mzar	since you are not able to test if it builds and runs
2021-05-16 15:28:59	Han	I can, just not on FreeBSD. Everywhere I can install and test it, it works so far.
2021-05-16 15:34:45	mzar	Han: it doesn't buidl
2021-05-16 15:34:47	mzar	build
2021-05-16 15:35:52	mzar	Han: https://bsd.to/FNsu
2021-05-16 15:35:53	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/FNsu (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-16 15:35:59	mzar	shoud I use gmake ?
2021-05-16 15:36:24	mzar	what dependecies should I install to build it ? probably ncurses
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2021-05-16 15:36:43	Han	mzar, appologies, yes please gmake
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2021-05-16 15:37:52	Han	ncurses is not installed by default? Yes, that's required.
2021-05-16 15:39:22	mzar	I have installed it, but it;s not found
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2021-05-16 15:40:11	mtu	oooooh boy. i migrated all my media into a zpool of many sub-datasets. when trying to share that pool through zfs, i ran straight into datsets-are-filesystems hell. thing is: this is sharing from FreeBSD to Linux, so neither autofs nor crossmnt will work well AFAIK
2021-05-16 15:40:16	mtu	what can i do?
2021-05-16 15:41:44	mzar	 mtu: NFS sharing ?
2021-05-16 15:42:03	mtu	oh, yeah, that's what i'm trying to do
2021-05-16 15:42:14	RhodiumToad	ncurses is installed by default
2021-05-16 15:42:22	Han	ok, cheers
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2021-05-16 15:42:47	--	Topic set by debdrup on Tue, 13 Apr 2021 15:28:04
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2021-05-16 15:43:01	--	Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
2021-05-16 15:44:39	Han	mzar, one more question, do you have /usr/include/util.h or /usr/include/pty.h?
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2021-05-16 15:47:50	mzar	Han: neither one, I have a bunch of utlil.h in /usr/local/include
2021-05-16 15:48:38	mzar	for example event2/util.h, ruby-2.7/ruby/util.h and 10 more
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2021-05-16 15:50:03	Han	OK, lot's of programs have a util.h, but that's not what I meant. Thanks, I'll have to wait for a proper bug report, or install a VM...
2021-05-16 15:50:52	Han	Have a nice evening.
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2021-05-16 15:53:35	mzar	TBH I really doubt in submitting any bug reports about this issue
2021-05-16 15:56:50	kfv	Well... he just quit. But indeed, not having a general util.h under include directory not only doesn't seem wrong, but it seems completely logical. What utilities header file would that be for?
2021-05-16 15:57:02	kfv	What a quick quit :-/
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2021-05-16 15:58:08	RhodiumToad	neither util.h nor pty.h are in the SUS headers spec, and their names are really generic
2021-05-16 15:58:28	kfv	Completely true.
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2021-05-16 15:59:30	mzar	RhodiumToad: do we still have ncurses installed ?
2021-05-16 15:59:33	RhodiumToad	those posix functions that relate to ptys are defined in stdlib.h in the spec, afaict
2021-05-16 15:59:50	mzar	likely
2021-05-16 16:00:58	RhodiumToad	mzar: we do, /usr/include/curses.h, /usr/lib/libncurses*, /lib/libncursesw.so.9  (in 13-stable)
2021-05-16 16:01:51	RhodiumToad	and it's not on the list of base libraries that are banned for ports
2021-05-16 16:02:15	mzar	thanks for the explanation
2021-05-16 16:02:48	RhodiumToad	(base libedit and libarchive are checked for by the port qa.sh script, which tells you to use the port instead)
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2021-05-16 16:03:47	mtu	goddammit, i might just end up using SMB between the FreeBSD host and the Linux client, because it doesn't have that each-zfs-dataset-is-a-separate-nfs-mount madness -.-
2021-05-16 16:04:07	mzar	mtu: you can export them all
2021-05-16 16:04:24	mtu	yes, but i cannot sanely mount them on Linux
2021-05-16 16:04:55	mzar	are there all under the same branch of filesystem tree ?
2021-05-16 16:05:03	mtu	yes
2021-05-16 16:05:15	mzar	so export that branch
2021-05-16 16:05:32	mtu	that's not the problem
2021-05-16 16:06:00	mzar	so what's the problem ?
2021-05-16 16:06:04	mtu	the problem is 81 separate mounts on the Linux side, one for each dataset. that's madness
2021-05-16 16:06:09	RhodiumToad	nfsv3 or v4?
2021-05-16 16:06:19	mzar	why 81 not 1
2021-05-16 16:06:24	mtu	v3, but i'm open to set up v4 if that helps me
2021-05-16 16:06:26	dvl	tcberner: You got mentioned at  https://github.com/FreshPorts/freshports/issues/276 : "an issue with freshports not updating its index on meta-ports" - Do you recall the issue? Any more information please?
2021-05-16 16:06:44	RhodiumToad	I thinbk v4 lets you do the whole tree, whereas v3 needs each filesystem independently
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2021-05-16 16:06:50	mzar	export the parrent directory and mount it
2021-05-16 16:06:59	mtu	mzar: that does not work
2021-05-16 16:07:05	mtu	subdirs are empty mounpoints
2021-05-16 16:07:09	RhodiumToad	mzar: doesn't work for nfs versions <4 as far as I know
2021-05-16 16:07:09	mzar	mtu: why so ?
2021-05-16 16:07:22	RhodiumToad	because that's how nfs works
2021-05-16 16:07:30	mtu	RhodiumToad: do you know if nfsv4 handles this sanely?
2021-05-16 16:07:40	RhodiumToad	I know it handles it _differently_.
2021-05-16 16:07:54	RhodiumToad	I do not know if it is entirely sane
2021-05-16 16:07:57	mzar	oh... it works if you have /nfs/dir{1,2,3,4} and export /nfs
2021-05-16 16:08:02	RhodiumToad	(I haven't tried it myself)
2021-05-16 16:08:18	RhodiumToad	mzar: only in v4
2021-05-16 16:08:34	mtu	mzar: we're talking zfs datasets, not regular directories
2021-05-16 16:08:41	mzar	I am using in v3
2021-05-16 16:08:44	RhodiumToad	mzar: or if the dir* are not themselves filesystem mountpoints
2021-05-16 16:09:40	mzar	always worked, moreover, there is -alldirs export option which allows you to mount either /nfs or /nfs/dir1 for example
2021-05-16 16:10:44	RhodiumToad	that's not quite what that does
2021-05-16 16:11:16	RhodiumToad	-alldirs means that if the server exports /foo with -alldirs, the client can mount for example /foo/bar
2021-05-16 16:12:03	RhodiumToad	(without -alldirs the client can mount only the root of the exported filesystem)
2021-05-16 16:12:25	mtu	... which in my case contains 7 empty mountpoints :C
2021-05-16 16:13:20	mzar	RhodiumToad
2021-05-16 16:13:38	mzar	you are right
2021-05-16 16:14:55	RhodiumToad	it's been known to happen
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2021-05-16 16:15:46	RhodiumToad	mtu: from my reading of how v4 is supposed to work, it looks much more sane. so definitelt worth a try
2021-05-16 16:16:09	mtu	RhodiumToad: how is nfsv4 included in 13.0? base, port, ...?
2021-05-16 16:16:23	RhodiumToad	base
2021-05-16 16:16:29	RhodiumToad	man exports   for how to set it up
2021-05-16 16:18:26	mtu	lots of reading to do!
2021-05-16 16:20:28	_xor	I switched from v3 to v4 last year and so far so good, though I don't have a complicated setup or anything.
2021-05-16 16:20:33	_xor	Your mileage may vary.
2021-05-16 16:20:41	mtu	boy, what a mess. used to be 1 mount on ufs, now i've got 81 mounts to deal with and no idea how
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2021-05-16 16:21:55	_xor	If you're using ZFS, just keep in mind that the sharenfs property is mutually exclusive with /etc/exports (or at least it was as of a few months ago).
2021-05-16 16:22:08	mtu	yeah, i've got that sorted
2021-05-16 16:22:23	mtu	like i said, exporting is not a problem, but dozens of mounts on the client side is hell
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2021-05-16 16:22:57	mtu	i didn't properly consider how incompatible zfs and nfs are in that regard before setting all this up
2021-05-16 16:23:34	_xor	Well, it's more about the implementation itself.  NFSv4 supports NT-style ACLs, which is nice (especially if you're trying to use samba).
2021-05-16 16:26:28	mzar	with nfsv4 it doesn't work either
2021-05-16 16:26:48	_xor	What doesn't work?
2021-05-16 16:26:50	mzar	though I have tested on old server implementation from 11.4 stable
2021-05-16 16:27:29	mzar	exporting parrent witch children mounted inside
2021-05-16 16:27:35	futune	mtu, i got multiple zfs datasets on a single nfs mount using nfsv4
2021-05-16 16:27:55	mtu	futune: howwww? :)
2021-05-16 16:28:14	_xor	I believe there were a decent number of improvements from 11->12.  I think pNFS was introduced in 12.x somewhere as well?
2021-05-16 16:28:51	_xor	mzar: How are you trying to mount the descendent(s)?
2021-05-16 16:28:56	CosmicDJ	mtu: there's autofs, too (say you have your homes on a NFS server, just tell automountd which dir it should watch and it'll auto-nfs-mount any dirs you try to cd into
2021-05-16 16:29:27	_xor	Check if you need to restart mountd, I remember finding that out after some head scratching.
2021-05-16 16:30:08	mtu	CosmicDJ: autofs also exists on Linux, so if it works similarly, it's a start. but i'm worried about: a) unmounting it all recursively on demand, does that even work?, and b) dozens of mounts cluttering up every file manager etc.
2021-05-16 16:31:05	_xor	Also, you don't include the root export when mounting in v4 (i.e. Server exports /zdata and sharenfs is set for /zdata/some/child, then the client mounts /some/child).
2021-05-16 16:31:52	Yamazaki-kun	It's been a while, but I don't recall cluttered file managers at work (using GNOME 3, although generally only one person only logged on to any given desktop)
2021-05-16 16:31:58	mtu	_xor: different problem we're discussing (zfs datasets as sub-mountpoints)
2021-05-16 16:32:26	_xor	...that's...what I'm talking about?
2021-05-16 16:32:36	mtu	sorry then
2021-05-16 16:32:41	futune	mtu, here is a sanitized /etc/exports from the server https://termbin.com/fhry
2021-05-16 16:32:52	futune	the inner directories are separate zfs datasets
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2021-05-16 16:33:01	futune	only the outer is mounted on the client
2021-05-16 16:33:44	_xor	Oh yeah, iirc, you can only have one v4 root export (I think).
2021-05-16 16:33:58	mtu	so, with that one "V4: /" line, you mount "/base" from the client (using v4), and you get all your datasets?
2021-05-16 16:34:21	futune	ya
2021-05-16 16:34:29	mtu	damn, that's what i want :)
2021-05-16 16:35:02	mtu	futune: how crazy does authentication get with v4? how do you do it?
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2021-05-16 16:36:54	_xor	Local accounts or krb5.
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2021-05-16 16:45:49	Yamazaki-kun	Local accounts are authorization, not authentication.
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2021-05-16 16:48:22	_xor	Isn't it the other way around? AuthN = "Are you who you say you are?" and AuthZ = "Are you allowed to do what you're trying to do?"
2021-05-16 16:49:37	_xor	For v4 you set -sec=sys|krb5 (check that, don't remmeber off the top of my head).
2021-05-16 16:49:45	mtu	# service nfsd start --> NFSv4 is disabled
2021-05-16 16:49:45	mtu	wat
2021-05-16 16:50:21	_xor	nfsv4_server_enable="YES"
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2021-05-16 16:50:50	mtu	huh, that's not in the handbook, is it? thanks :)
2021-05-16 16:51:27	_xor	Check /etc/defaults/ for knobs, I grep that + look at the man pages.
2021-05-16 16:51:40	mtu	good tip :)
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2021-05-16 16:51:59	mtu	okay, now the client mounts the share, but it shows empty. gotta dig into the whole auth question ...
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2021-05-16 17:09:43	mtu	i'm confused about exports. i need to supply a "V4: /" line, but also regular lines starting with pathnames?
2021-05-16 17:13:18	mtu	ah, found it in the manpage exports(5)
2021-05-16 17:15:37	_xor	If you're using zfs dataset property sharenfs, then you won't really be using /etc/exports much (if at all).
2021-05-16 17:15:51	_xor	Check /etc/zfs/exports (but don't modify it, as it's auto-generated).
2021-05-16 17:16:30	mtu	i see. so /etc/exports would just contain "V4: / -network=something", and the rest is 'sharenfs'-prop-handled into /etc/zfs/exports?
2021-05-16 17:16:33	mtu	let's try
2021-05-16 17:17:18	_xor	On my server, /etc/exports is a single line that exports the v4 root.  /etc/zfs/exports is a 16-line file that lists all of my zfs exports that are shared using sharenfs on the dataset.
2021-05-16 17:17:30	mtu	yep, that's probably what i want
2021-05-16 17:18:15	mzar	_xor: you can still use /etc/exports with zfs
2021-05-16 17:18:29	_xor	`zfs set sharenfs='-network=192.168.0.0/16,-alldirs'`
2021-05-16 17:18:30	mtu	it works! \o/
2021-05-16 17:19:28	mtu	it's slow as f*** when discovering a dir with many sub-datasets, and it spams my file manager and `mount` output on the client with a bazillion mounts^^ but that could also be due to the fact that the client is really old
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2021-05-16 17:20:01	mtu	most importantly, recursive unmounting is handled automatically. thank bob
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2021-05-16 17:20:41	mtu	thanks a bunch futune _xor Yamazaki-kun CosmicDJ mzar :)
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2021-05-16 17:46:40	kiwiirc	in the rc system, what does rc stand for?
2021-05-16 17:46:55	mtu	"run control"? </wild_guess>
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2021-05-16 17:54:15	Yamazaki-kun	_xor: Nope. https://www.okta.com/identity-101/authentication-vs-authorization/
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2021-05-16 17:55:02	Yamazaki-kun	Local accounts control who can access resources (authorization), but anyone can claim to be any user (no authentication)
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2021-05-16 18:01:09	kiwiirc	can sudo specs be partial, like would "dice ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: service rinetd" let user dice start/stop/status/restart the rinetd service?
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2021-05-16 18:04:53	R2COM	did anyone manage to be able to adjust laptop brightness with freebsd? i kinda feel that its no doable with "fn" keys
2021-05-16 18:04:56	R2COM	with that OS installed
2021-05-16 18:05:01	R2COM	not sure if its OS related tho
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2021-05-16 18:08:02	_xor	kiwiirc: I think you create an alias for the specific command(s) or whatnot.
2021-05-16 18:09:06	_xor	R2COM: I controlled one my laptops LCD brightness using sysctl.
2021-05-16 18:09:43	_xor	R2COM: `sysctl -a | grep 'lcd'` and look and what's available (though if you don't see anything there, there are probably other options some where)
2021-05-16 18:09:54	mtu	night everyone o/
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2021-05-16 18:11:20	_xor	Yamazaki-kun: Oh you were referring to AuthN/AuthZ from an NFS-specific perspective. I misinterpreted.
2021-05-16 18:11:58	_xor	Yeah, you need to use krb5 for AuthN.
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2021-05-16 18:13:32	Yamazaki-kun	Unless you want penetration tests to be like shooting Magikarp in a barrel, in which case I'd use NIS as well.
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2021-05-16 18:17:38	kiwiirc	huh?
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2021-05-16 18:25:55	_xor	Hmm, weird. I'm trying to add an entry to my client ssh config to set an explicit port for one of my hosts, but it's not working.
2021-05-16 18:26:08	_xor	ssh -vv shows that it's finding the config and it says it's applying it, but then it still tries to connect to port 22.
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2021-05-16 18:28:37	RhodiumToad	I do that a lot, what does the entry look like?
2021-05-16 18:29:08	_xor	Host my.host.com
2021-05-16 18:29:11	_xor	Port 17323
2021-05-16 18:29:12	_xor	That's it.
2021-05-16 18:29:16	_xor	I just figured it out though.
2021-05-16 18:29:21	RhodiumToad	what was it?
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2021-05-16 18:29:54	_xor	~/.ssh/config has a Host * entry with a Port specified, which the client was apparently resolving to.
2021-05-16 18:30:13	_xor	I thought more specific hosts would override the Host * entries though.
2021-05-16 18:30:36	RhodiumToad	I think first match wins, but I'd have to check
2021-05-16 18:30:46	_xor	Really? Hmm.
2021-05-16 18:31:06	_xor	Easy enough fix, I can move my Include dir/* before the Host * entry. Let me check.
2021-05-16 18:31:27	RhodiumToad	manpage says, first obtained value for each specific parameter
2021-05-16 18:31:52	_xor	Yup, you're right. Just confirmed it too.
2021-05-16 18:31:52	RhodiumToad	so if a Host * / Port 22  appears before Host foo / Port 1234, then port 22 it is
2021-05-16 18:32:13	_xor	Good to know. For some reason I thought it would take the most host-specific rule.
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2021-05-16 19:07:38	gawen	anyone managed to run a RPi2 v1.2?
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2021-05-16 19:09:42	petrj	it gets crazy hot, ymmv thou
2021-05-16 19:10:43	RhodiumToad	which chipset is that one?
2021-05-16 19:11:30	petrj	pi 3 model b+
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2021-05-16 19:12:38	petrj	can't wait to get hands on risc-v chips and leaving behind arm/aarch64 once and for all..
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2021-05-16 19:30:03	kiwiirc	RhodiumToad wanna know what i ended up with for the x backgrounder?
2021-05-16 19:30:08	kiwiirc	(and why)
2021-05-16 19:30:12	RhodiumToad	what
2021-05-16 19:32:23	kiwiirc	rc script daemon command xinit task. i export HOME in script to make sure bash prompt is right on start. service start/restart/stop/status all work through the pid. service restart from within x doesn't work it just exits but whatever at this point
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2021-05-16 19:32:36	kiwiirc	gonna need to enable sudo spec so i can run it without entering root pw
2021-05-16 19:32:58	kiwiirc	i couldn't use the su -l thing to bring in my user env because it doesn't pass service stop signals
2021-05-16 19:33:06	kiwiirc	didn't figure out sudo but did try to try it
2021-05-16 19:33:13	kiwiirc	that's basically it
2021-05-16 19:33:58	kiwiirc	so now i can boot up, login, sudo service myscript start, back to tty to logout then back to x tty, then use i3lock && acpiconf 3 to sleep
2021-05-16 19:33:58	RhodiumToad	the whole idea continues to be misguided
2021-05-16 19:34:06	RhodiumToad	use a display manager, it's what they're for
2021-05-16 19:34:06	gawen	RhodiumToad: that's bcm2837 i guess
2021-05-16 19:34:52	kiwiirc	can a dm be used without having it automatically start? what i want to avoid is having the gui shit be automatic every time i boot. i wanna just start and stop it when i want
2021-05-16 19:34:59	RhodiumToad	gawen: ah, ok
2021-05-16 19:35:06	RhodiumToad	gawen: mine are the older one then
2021-05-16 19:35:38	gawen	RhodiumToad: you got it running with the armv7 images?
2021-05-16 19:35:53	RhodiumToad	kiwiirc: you can run a dm as a service and start it with service whatever onestart
2021-05-16 19:36:06	RhodiumToad	gawen: yes
2021-05-16 19:36:13	RhodiumToad	gawen: (though I build my own images now)
2021-05-16 19:37:42	kiwiirc	RhodiumToad that sounds like exactly what im doing with daemon xinit. so what does the dm buy me really?
2021-05-16 19:37:51	gawen	RhodiumToad: ah crochet? any good tuto?
2021-05-16 19:38:12	RhodiumToad	gawen: no, I build them with my own scripts
2021-05-16 19:38:20	gawen	RhodiumToad: ok
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2021-05-16 19:41:24	kiwiirc	?
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2021-05-16 19:42:45	gawen	not sure what you want, can't you use a dm with autologin?
2021-05-16 19:43:13	kiwiirc	well i just asked what it bought me to use a dm exactly like how im using daemon xinit
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2021-05-16 19:46:25	gawen	take a look at x11/slim that's a very light session manager on which you can autologin a user with /usr/local/etc/slim.conf
2021-05-16 19:47:40	gawen	then run whatever desktop env you fancy through ~/.xinitrc
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2021-05-16 19:55:50	kiwiirc	what's recommended dm?
2021-05-16 19:58:15	antranigv	kiwiirc I actually like WINGs Display Manager, because I use WindowMaker :P https://github.com/voins/wdm
2021-05-16 19:58:38	gawen	kiwiirc: that depends a lot on what you want to do
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2021-05-16 20:02:22	gawen	the most popular one is probably lightdm, that's what you generally get as a light dm for most desktop (xfce/gnome) install
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2021-05-16 20:03:06	gawen	there's also sddm mostly used with kde
2021-05-16 20:04:39	gawen	slim is much more simpler than the two above, but with much less features
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2021-05-16 20:06:33	kiwiirc	well im just running xinit when i want x and killing xorg when i dont. ppl say use a dm so im open and curious
2021-05-16 20:07:02	kiwiirc	hmm actually
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2021-05-16 20:09:30	gawen	getty is as fine a session manager as any
2021-05-16 20:10:10	kiwiirc	i need to try to have xinit start x in the tty i run it in and not in vt9
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2021-05-16 20:10:22	kiwiirc	i tried changing vt9 to the tty i was typing in but didnt work
2021-05-16 20:10:25	kiwiirc	gonna look more
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2021-05-16 20:16:57	gawen	still not sure what you want to achieve, but look at dm's (slim, lightdm or sddm) autologin or try /etc/ttys or /etc/rc.local if it really comes to that
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2021-05-16 20:18:03	kiwiirc	i want to boot to a line based shell, login, then run 1 command when i wanna start a gui session in the current tty
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2021-05-16 20:18:12	kiwiirc	like if im in tty2
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2021-05-16 20:18:52	kiwiirc	im reading on  xinit  [	 [  client ] options ... ] [ --	[ server ] [ display ] options
2021-05-16 20:18:57	kiwiirc	"display"
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2021-05-16 20:22:12	gawen	can't you use startx?
2021-05-16 20:22:44	kiwiirc	maybe im just trying stuff out
2021-05-16 20:23:03	gawen	startx is part of the xinit package
2021-05-16 20:23:17	kiwiirc	i recall some issues with it cant recall
2021-05-16 20:23:45	gawen	there are many possible issues with
2021-05-16 20:24:26	gawen	afaik, on modern linux distro it doesn't even work anymore
2021-05-16 20:25:13	kiwiirc	so i guess it's not normal to start x on the same tty you run the command in?
2021-05-16 20:25:17	kiwiirc	or does startx do that?
2021-05-16 20:25:45	gawen	startx should start X from the tty you are in
2021-05-16 20:26:09	kiwiirc	maybe ill try again
2021-05-16 20:26:11	gawen	but generally we use a display manager like xdm, slim, sddm, lightdm instead
2021-05-16 20:26:11	dstolfa	gawen: startx works fine on linux
2021-05-16 20:26:15	dstolfa	there are 0 issues with it
2021-05-16 20:26:27	gawen	which distrib tho ?
2021-05-16 20:26:33	dstolfa	any
2021-05-16 20:26:57	gawen	everytime I tried it on Debian lately, it failed
2021-05-16 20:27:25	gawen	(lately === several months ago)
2021-05-16 20:27:46	dstolfa	i ran it on debian yesterday
2021-05-16 20:27:48	dstolfa	so it works
2021-05-16 20:27:56	dstolfa	it also works on rhel, hell even fedora which defaults to wayland
2021-05-16 20:28:00	dstolfa	it works on void just fine
2021-05-16 20:28:02	dstolfa	it works on arch
2021-05-16 20:28:07	dstolfa	there's no issues with it
2021-05-16 20:28:21	gawen	gonna give it a try
2021-05-16 20:28:28	kiwiirc	wheni run startx my/rc/file it starts fine.. in another tty! 9 that is
2021-05-16 20:28:37	kiwiirc	but i typed into tty 3 terminal
2021-05-16 20:28:58	uskerine	is there a fast read-only network filesystem?
2021-05-16 20:29:07	gawen	uskerine: nfs
2021-05-16 20:29:07	petrj	define fast
2021-05-16 20:29:24	uskerine	my understanding is that nfs is not fast
2021-05-16 20:29:31	petrj	define fast
2021-05-16 20:29:38	kiwiirc	so is there /no/ way to start an x session in the same tty you type the command in?
2021-05-16 20:29:52	uskerine	as close to local speed as possible
2021-05-16 20:29:54	gawen	kiwiirc: startx should just do that
2021-05-16 20:30:05	kiwiirc	no it doesn't it starts x in tty 9
2021-05-16 20:30:10	kiwiirc	i type into 3
2021-05-16 20:30:13	petrj	nfs that is
2021-05-16 20:30:27	kiwiirc	so now tty 3 shows x's console output or stdout
2021-05-16 20:30:45	kiwiirc	i think if i terminate it it would disappear from tty 9 too
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2021-05-16 20:38:01	gawen	do you have the x output on any other terminal?
2021-05-16 20:38:18	gawen	it maybe that your X drivers don't work
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2021-05-16 20:43:46	kiwiirc	is there something that'll make my xinit command run in the bg and return immediately so i can type in another command? i tried xinit /my/rc/file & but it stole the input with x's log output
2021-05-16 20:44:05	gawen	xinit&
2021-05-16 20:44:31	kiwiirc	how is that not what i typed? the space between the &?
2021-05-16 20:44:47	kiwiirc	is that xinit /my/rc/file& ?
2021-05-16 20:45:02	gawen	it should be the same
2021-05-16 20:45:27	gawen	but do you want to "drop" all output from xinit maybe?
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2021-05-16 20:47:33	kiwiirc	oh i only needed to enter once and i got prompt!
2021-05-16 20:47:58	kiwiirc	do you know if i can make it so i run xinit and it starts x on whatever tty it chooses but it doesn't force me to go there with it?
2021-05-16 20:48:09	kiwiirc	like it leaves me at the tty i ran xinit at
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2021-05-16 20:49:49	gawen	you mean that it doesn't automatically switch to the xorg vt?
2021-05-16 20:50:04	kiwiirc	ya
2021-05-16 20:53:13	gawen	xinit -- -novtswitch
2021-05-16 20:53:15	gawen	(maybe)
2021-05-16 20:53:24	gawen	never tried that
2021-05-16 20:53:48	gawen	xinit -- -novtswitch &
2021-05-16 20:53:53	gawen	in your case
2021-05-16 20:54:54	petrj	qemu -nographic # please
2021-05-16 20:56:42	kiwiirc	xinit /path/to/rc -- -novtswitch & ?
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2021-05-16 21:01:14	kiwiirc	xinit /path/to/rc -- -novtswitch & steals focus still, ill try the other side
2021-05-16 21:02:58	kiwiirc	xinit -- -novtswitch /path/to/rc dumps errors
2021-05-16 21:03:07	kiwiirc	oops, & at the end
2021-05-16 21:03:26	kiwiirc	what syntax im messing up?
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2021-05-16 21:10:15	gawen	xinit -novtswitch :1 & (for instance)
2021-05-16 21:10:24	gawen	but I gues it doesn't do what you want
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2021-05-16 22:48:36	R2COM	how do i make my pkg also use "local" port with stuff built by poudriere
2021-05-16 22:48:45	R2COM	dont see man page talking or handbook giving exac t example
2021-05-16 22:48:51	R2COM	handbook just says "its possible"
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2021-05-17 00:03:50	Yamazaki-kun	R2COM: So you want both a tree that Poudriere builds plus the main repos for anything not in it?
2021-05-17 00:06:59	koobs	R2COM: Try #poudriere and ask for the docs to be added
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2021-05-17 02:04:56	Remilia	it is not clear to me what "local" ports are
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2021-05-17 02:18:25	R2COM	yes
2021-05-17 02:18:35	R2COM	i meant, the port which i built in jail lets say
2021-05-17 02:18:48	R2COM	into a package
2021-05-17 02:19:01	R2COM	so how to make it available to pkg? together with standard packages
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2021-05-17 02:50:24	sigod	hi, installed nomadbsd on an external usb 2.0 drive and during boot it says trim is turned on and not supported by the drive. Do I just boot into single user mode and turn off trim with tunefs
2021-05-17 02:50:59	sigod	I tried tunfs -t disable /dev/da1 and it said no file or directory
2021-05-17 02:51:14	sigod	tunefs*
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2021-05-17 02:53:10	sigod	or do I need to boot into another liveusb and disable it from there?
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2021-05-17 02:59:29	sigod	oh i think i understand
2021-05-17 03:00:01	sigod	tunefs -t disable /
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2021-05-17 04:41:48	gebruiker	hi
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2021-05-17 04:41:59	gebruiker	Guys zfs vs UFS, which one is bet for desktop?
2021-05-17 04:42:08	gebruiker	*bst
2021-05-17 04:42:11	gebruiker	*best
2021-05-17 04:42:13	gebruiker	sorry
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2021-05-17 04:45:53	weust	more preference I think. ZFS gives checksums (not idea if UFS does that tbh) and easy snapshot use, backups using snapshot and send to another server.
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2021-05-17 04:50:39	moon-child	definitely go for zfs
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2021-05-17 04:50:54	moon-child	unless you like getting your data eaten
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2021-05-17 04:55:20	epony	gebruiker, how much RAM do you have installed in that system?
2021-05-17 04:55:35	gebruiker	epony 8 GB of RAM
2021-05-17 04:55:54	epony	you'll probably be fine then either way
2021-05-17 04:56:39	weust	iirc ZFS runs much better on systems with not much RAM compared to in the past? so yes, 8GB will be fine
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2021-05-17 05:02:05	gebruiker	I see, so for older systems with less RAM UFS and for modern systems ZFS? Is that the jest of it?
2021-05-17 05:05:17	weust	Depends a bit on how much RAM I guess. But with every modern system having at least 8GB it shouldn't be an issue. talking desktops here
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2021-05-17 05:05:47	CosmicDJ	gebruiker: or were you don't need ZFS features (see https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/ltjv8m/zfs_is_overwhelminly_praised_yet_why_does_netflix/ for example)
2021-05-17 05:05:48	VimDiesel	Title: ZFS is overwhelminly praised, yet why does Netflix still use UFS? : freebsd (at www.reddit.com)
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2021-05-17 05:07:16	weust	As mentioned there, use what is best in any given situation
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2021-05-17 05:22:53	epony	https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/#zfs-advanced
2021-05-17 05:22:54	VimDiesel	Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 20. The Z File System (ZFS) (at docs.freebsd.org)
2021-05-17 05:24:47	daemon	AllanJude, would it be acceptable for me to drop you a quick private message?
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2021-05-17 05:42:12	BraveheartBSD	G;day all. Can anyone assist with Freebsd 13 xorg framebuffer issue?
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2021-05-17 06:13:27	BraveheartBSD	Sorted, disregard, thank you
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2021-05-17 06:45:59	debdrup	Help, https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=9a2fac6ba65fb is too good of a commit.
2021-05-17 06:46:00	VimDiesel	Title: src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.FreeBSD.org)
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2021-05-17 06:49:33	markand	hey there
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2021-05-17 06:52:36	daemon	debdrup, would you be ok with me quickly dropping you a query in pm?
2021-05-17 06:52:50	debdrup	daemon: sure
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2021-05-17 07:30:52	markand	I have a raspberry pi 4 running FreeBSD 13 (aarch64)
2021-05-17 07:31:00	markand	it is powered by a PoE hat but its fan never turns on
2021-05-17 07:31:44	markand	what I don't understand is that you may pass fan parameters in config.txt (to adjust threshold) but I'd not expect that it still requires a dedicated kernel module for that
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2021-05-17 07:34:39	debdrup	Isn't config.txt read by the firmware?
2021-05-17 07:35:15	markand	it should yes
2021-05-17 07:36:17	markand	but my config has parameters to start the fan at 65C and now according to FreeBSD the CPU is at 69 and is not turning on (I have exactly the same configuration on Alpine Linux and it works)
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2021-05-17 07:58:51	huwjr	so i've been troubleshooting everything under the sun for the last month trying to fix what i thought must be a hardware issue
2021-05-17 08:00:16	huwjr	Turned out I was just out of memory.. It seems that using swap resulted/results in hangs and not using swap resulted/results in reboots - shouldn't I have been seeing processes getting killed and stuff in dmesg to free up RAM? I had literally nothing to go on.
2021-05-17 08:00:20	weust	markand: I have a POE HAT and from reading, when they were just new, don't you need to do something in the OS as well? iirc back then it was GNU/Linux only though.
2021-05-17 08:00:24	weust	Mine is not in use
2021-05-17 08:00:55	markand	weust, yes on Linux there is rpi-poe-fan kernel module
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2021-05-17 08:01:25	huwjr	although, I also had hangs with swap off, but it was more in the region of 80% crash to 20% hang.
2021-05-17 08:01:43	markand	it's not a big module, maybe with some time I could port it to FreeBSD
2021-05-17 08:02:00	markand	but I don't have much experience in kernel dev
2021-05-17 08:02:26	weust	markand: ah yes. never fully understand why a fimrware option via config.txt needs a kernel module as well.
2021-05-17 08:02:45	weust	but that explains why the fan does nothing with FreeBSD
2021-05-17 08:02:55	markand	weust, I've just asked #raspberrypi about that :P
2021-05-17 08:03:07	weust	:-) cool
2021-05-17 08:03:16	markand	to my understanding device tree are somewhat just information that are given to the host system
2021-05-17 08:03:34	weust	yeah, I imagined that too
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2021-05-17 08:04:42	markand	so I guess at least it stays at the same "syntax/location" for every system
2021-05-17 08:04:53	markand	while if it was not present on linux you would use modprobe options
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2021-05-17 08:40:16	sopparus	im on 13-rel now and i'm happy with that. i need to test if something works on 13-0.stable, can I go back from stable to release later? its network related so not sure if I can reproduce in a vm
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2021-05-17 08:46:54	mzar	sopparus: use boot environments to test STABLE if you have root on ZFS
2021-05-17 08:47:14	sopparus	ufs im afraid
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2021-05-17 08:48:32	mzar	going back from STABLE to RELEASE won't be that easy, probably from 13.0-STABLE you can try to switch to 13.1-RELEASE
2021-05-17 08:48:35	ceri	sopparus: if it's in-kernel then you could probably get away with just running a new kernel.  Then you could just boot the old one
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2021-05-17 08:49:15	sopparus	sounds like a plan
2021-05-17 08:49:50	sopparus	anyone have a amd64 generic kernel with default config from stable?:)
2021-05-17 08:50:34	ceri	http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/13.0-STABLE/
2021-05-17 08:50:36	VimDiesel	Title: Index of /pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/13.0-STABLE/ (at ftp.freebsd.org)
2021-05-17 08:50:57	sopparus	thanks
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2021-05-17 08:53:42	sopparus	so I replace my boot with this new boot?
2021-05-17 08:53:48	sopparus	is there any instructions anywhere
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2021-05-17 08:59:04	AllanJude	daemon: sure
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2021-05-17 09:03:03	CrtxReavr	Finding old Word docs with ":wq" in them.
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2021-05-17 09:52:08	sidh	Greetings
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2021-05-17 09:52:39	sidh	Greetigns
2021-05-17 09:52:45	sidh	Greetings
2021-05-17 09:53:16	sidh	I would need your advices regarding poudriere
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2021-05-17 09:55:16	sidh	I modified a port (that has been deprecated/removed) and copied it in a port-tree used by poudriere , at the bulk step, it just ignores my port modification and keep telling the port has MOVED etc. is there a way to force the bulk within my port modification ?
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2021-05-17 09:58:01	vkarlsen	sidh: Remove its entry in the MOVED file
2021-05-17 09:58:35	sidh	I just saw that too : poudriere ports -c p local -F -M /usr/ports -f none
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2021-05-17 09:59:08	sidh	I mean for creating a custom port tree from a specified path
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2021-05-17 10:06:58	anexit_	hey all, I keep getting this error in mongod;
2021-05-17 10:07:14	anexit_	soft rlimits too low. rlimits set to 12186 processes, 64000 files. Number of processes should be at least 32000
2021-05-17 10:07:35	anexit_	I set this too 64000 so I'm not sure why 12186 is a problem
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2021-05-17 10:28:12	AllanJude	anexit_: check `sysctl kern.maxproc` and `sysctl kern.maxprocperuid`
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2021-05-17 10:28:21	AllanJude	and make sure that you are not running into those limits
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2021-05-17 10:30:49	sig_9	is there a raspberry pi fbsd chan?
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2021-05-17 10:33:01	CaptainDrewBoy	No official one, I believe
2021-05-17 10:33:18	CaptainDrewBoy	However I'm sure if you post in #freebsd-social someone will have a nice chat
2021-05-17 10:33:28	sig_9	thanks
2021-05-17 10:34:31	mzar	debdrup: you were partitially right, pulseaudio is not hard but soft Firefox dependency
2021-05-17 10:36:26	mzar	adding OID media.cubeb.backend="sndio" "alsa", "oss" etc in the Firefox about:config is required if you want to get rid of pulseaudio which is default backend
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2021-05-17 10:46:13	anexit_	AllanJude: This was the issue; sysctl kern.maxprocperuid=64000
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2021-05-17 10:54:22	daemon	sig_9, no but on efnet there is a channel for embedded stuff related to BSD I think
2021-05-17 10:54:24	daemon	let me check ...
2021-05-17 10:54:39	daemon	#bsdmips I believe
2021-05-17 10:55:13	sig_9	daemon: I figured out what my problem was. I grabbed the GENERIC.img instead of the RPI.img
2021-05-17 10:55:34	daemon	:-)
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2021-05-17 10:56:38	sig_9	I messed with cups for a day before I realized to get remote cups working I had to issue: cupsctl --remote-admin
2021-05-17 10:56:40	sig_9	heh
2021-05-17 10:57:39	sig_9	but... I learned a lot!
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2021-05-17 10:59:08	kevans91	sig_9: er, GENERIC should have worked for most models
2021-05-17 10:59:10	kevans91	or all
2021-05-17 10:59:27	kevans91	oh wait
2021-05-17 10:59:28	sig_9	no, the GENERIC boot on my raspPi 4 8gig
2021-05-17 10:59:33	kevans91	no, we don't do edk2 stuf yet
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2021-05-17 11:07:44	Skynet	I see one of my processes chewing up more and more RAM and the process is now consuming 16GB.  What's the best way to get more information about this process?
2021-05-17 11:08:01	Skynet	(Please ping me)
2021-05-17 11:08:40	sig_9	ip?
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2021-05-17 11:08:55	mzar	Skynet: procstat(1)
2021-05-17 11:09:05	Skynet	Thank you
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2021-05-17 11:15:47	Skynet	mzar: I'm following the man page for that command but it only keeps echoing back the usage details.
2021-05-17 11:15:59	mzar	?
2021-05-17 11:16:05	Skynet	How should I format the command to look up everything for pid 587
2021-05-17 11:16:18	mzar	procstat -kk PID will give a lot of info
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2021-05-17 11:16:26	Skynet	*usage details: synopsis of how to use the command.
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2021-05-17 11:17:34	Skynet	mzar: interesting.  That prints an empty table. :s
2021-05-17 11:17:43	Skynet	But the process clearly exists in top
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2021-05-17 11:18:25	Skynet	Here's the line in top
2021-05-17 11:18:26	Skynet	 587 root         44  21    0    16G    13G kqread   8  21.0H   1.16% python3.8
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2021-05-17 11:19:19	mtu	i'm looking for a way to produce output analogous to `dig +short`, but without the net/bind-tools ports (i.e. just base system tools)
2021-05-17 11:19:41	mtu	looks like host(1) will always be verbose, and i have to tail and cut the output ...
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2021-05-17 11:20:34	mzar	Skynet: so "procstat -kk 587" shows nothing ?
2021-05-17 11:20:57	Skynet	Oh wait.  I forgot to SUDO that command.  Let me try again.
2021-05-17 11:21:45	mzar	you don't need to escalate privileges if it's your process
2021-05-17 11:22:44	Skynet	mzar: Well it printed a lot of info, but I don't know how to make sense of it.  It doesn't seem to have info on what called it, what CLI arguments were used, or if it's a jail process.  I would like to have ALL available information I can get about this process.
2021-05-17 11:23:10	mzar	Skynet: dig in this data for "kqread"
2021-05-17 11:23:47	Skynet	mzar: how would I do this?
2021-05-17 11:24:01	pstef_	Skynet: ps -auxwww -p 587
2021-05-17 11:25:13	mzar	Skynet: paste the output to http://bsd.to and follow pstef_'s guidance, have to go, BBL
2021-05-17 11:25:14	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste (at bsd.to)
2021-05-17 11:26:12	Skynet	mzar: https://bsd.to/tTB3  here you go. :-)
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2021-05-17 11:26:12	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/tTB3 (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-17 11:26:23	pstef_	Skynet: also see: ps -auxd
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2021-05-17 11:28:11	Skynet	pstef_: that produces a large list of processes.
2021-05-17 11:28:29	pstef_	and you can find the offending process' ancestry
2021-05-17 11:28:46	CosmicDJ	mtu: there's awk, too ;)
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2021-05-17 11:29:18	mtu	CosmicDJ: i'm aware it exists, that's all. i'll head and tail and cut my way around any output ;)
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2021-05-17 11:30:04	Skynet	pstef_: nice.  The ancestors do not appear to be leaking memory.  Just the main process.
2021-05-17 11:30:08	CosmicDJ	mtu: https://superuser.com/questions/1482465/dnsutils-deprecated-ldns-has-drill-command-but-no-short-option
2021-05-17 11:30:09	VimDiesel	Title: bash - dnsutils deprecated, ldns has drill command but no short option - Super User (at superuser.com)
2021-05-17 11:30:41	pstef_	Skynet: I didn't expect to find new leaks, but now you know what called it
2021-05-17 11:31:27	Skynet	Yes.  Unfortunately, that's a root process initiated during start up in TrueNAS.  Middlewared basically runs everything there.
2021-05-17 11:31:56	pstef_	well, I'm afraid you have to ask TrueNAS folks then
2021-05-17 11:32:00	Skynet	Any chance to pull even more info on this leaking process so I can file a bug report for TrueNAS?
2021-05-17 11:32:27	Skynet	Like maybe resources being left in the process causing the leak?
2021-05-17 11:32:28	mtu	CosmicDJ: cool. `| tail -n1 | cut -d' ' -f4` does the job for me :)
2021-05-17 11:33:20	pstef_	I think it would boil down to debugging python scripts and I don't know how that's done
2021-05-17 11:35:17	huwjr	repost from earlier as i'm eager to learn something;
2021-05-17 11:35:17	Skynet	pstef_: thanks for the help.  I'll start to open a bug report with this info I have now.  I'm sure they'll tell me what to do to get more info.  At least I know where to direct the bug report now. :-)
2021-05-17 11:35:20	huwjr	so i've been troubleshooting everything under the sun for the last month trying to fix what i thought must be a hardware issue, turns out I was just out of memory.  It seems that using swap resulted in hangs and not using swap resulted in reboots (and also the occasional hang) - shouldn't I have been seeing processes getting killed and stuff in dmesg to free up RAM? I had literally nothing to go on.
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2021-05-17 11:36:15	CosmicDJ	huwjr: is your swap on zfs zvols?
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2021-05-17 11:37:03	huwjr	possibly? but even with swap off it was hanging/rebooting with nothing logged or killed
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2021-05-17 11:38:22	huwjr	i'll double check that.  I've learnt I need to set a hard limit on ARC - so i learnt something but I'm worried it'll creep up on me and happen again as it's basically totally unpredictable system usage
2021-05-17 11:38:57	CosmicDJ	huwjr: IIRC with 13.0 ARC limits should not be needed anymore
2021-05-17 11:40:22	huwjr	my understanding was if your system needs resources it steals it from ARC - but I guess that depends how active it is? e.g. can it flush to disk fast enough to free tha ram? i had 32gb ram, 20 used by ARC and 27 used at the point that it crashed last
2021-05-17 11:40:30	huwjr	27 wired*
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2021-05-17 11:40:58	CosmicDJ	huwjr: ARC cache is mostly cached data that's already on your disks...
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2021-05-17 11:41:10	huwjr	thought it was the primary write cache?
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2021-05-17 11:42:25	huwjr	derp excuse me
2021-05-17 11:43:38	CosmicDJ	huwjr: a 20G *write* cache screams for data loss ;) zfs is flushing your data to disks every few seconds
2021-05-17 11:43:39	huwjr	but still, why the hell did it not clear up arc and make way for system resources? and why did a process not get killed to make way?
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2021-05-17 11:44:12	huwjr	indeed let's just brush what i said under the carpet please:)
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2021-05-17 11:46:19	xtao	is that on 12.x or 13.0? i had to limit the ARC on 12.x or my stuff started swapping like crazy and eventually killed processes with OOM. but on 13.0 the same behavior doesn't happen at all for me
2021-05-17 11:46:38	huwjr	if it killed a process I would have known what the problem was
2021-05-17 11:46:48	huwjr	I tried rc1, rc2 and 13
2021-05-17 11:47:27	huwjr	prior to that i was using a different software stack (backuppc 3 on 11.x vs backuppc 4 on 13.x)
2021-05-17 11:48:31	huwjr	backuppc now seems to do a lot more stuff with your data (it has its own rsync binary now) so makes sense it would be using a lot more RAM
2021-05-17 11:50:28	huwjr	to clarify, it used to not crash, but since updating the entire stack including bsd it started to.  My worry is not so much this problem, as the fact I got no output anywhere telling me I was out of RAM.  And if it's not best practice to set a hard limit on ARC now, this is going to rear its head again
2021-05-17 11:50:59	biglama	Hi guys, how can I pause a poudrier job ? I've tried Ctr-Z but it is still building
2021-05-17 11:51:47	huwjr	the solution is easy - i've quadrupled RAM - but it's taken me a long time (and nearly binning an entire server assuming mobo failure) to determine I was actually just totally out of ram.
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2021-05-17 11:57:48	ceri	Been looking at tmux but it takes a crap if it can't write to /tmp/tmux-${UID} - is that serious?
2021-05-17 11:58:17	kiwiirc	debdrup so i eventually got your idea working of starting the x session in the bg using the rc system if you wanna know how
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2021-05-17 11:58:41	ceri	kiwiirc: ah, now we know who to blame :D
2021-05-17 11:58:49	kiwiirc	ya lol
2021-05-17 11:59:20	kiwiirc	i ended up just running xinit with & to background it, saved a ton of hoops to jump through but it was a great learning experience
2021-05-17 11:59:29	kiwiirc	it was my first time making an rc script and working with daemon
2021-05-17 12:00:20	sig_9	setting up this raspPi printer server in the docs it says "where ugenX.Y lists the printer device, which is a symbolic link to a USB device in /dev/usb
2021-05-17 12:00:33	sig_9	my printer is on ugen0.4
2021-05-17 12:00:56	sig_9	but how do I know what x.x.x in /dev/usb is for ugen0.4?
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2021-05-17 12:01:49	sig_9	for /etc/devfs.rules
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2021-05-17 12:16:39	sig_9	how do I set and apply a ruleset?
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2021-05-17 12:31:03	sig_9	this is what my devfs
2021-05-17 12:31:07	sig_9	https://bsd.to/FxSy
2021-05-17 12:31:09	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/FxSy (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-17 12:31:15	sig_9	what am I doing wrong?
2021-05-17 12:31:44	href	maybe you didn't set a rule number
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2021-05-17 12:33:08	sig_9	I have [system]
2021-05-17 12:33:19	mtu	is there a way to use the `poudriere bulk` command to od two jails one after the other, or does that require two calls to poudriere?
2021-05-17 12:33:30	mtu	*do
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2021-05-17 12:33:56	href	sig_9: should probably be [system=A_NUMBER]
2021-05-17 12:33:59	href	see man devfs.rules
2021-05-17 12:34:05	sig_9	doh
2021-05-17 12:34:21	sig_9	I have system=10
2021-05-17 12:34:40	href	sure? cannot extract rule number ([system-10])
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2021-05-17 12:34:49	href	it looks like it's system-10 and not system=10°
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2021-05-17 12:35:08	sig_9	thank you! I just noticed that!
2021-05-17 12:35:09	sig_9	:)
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2021-05-17 12:35:32	sig_9	ok restarted with no errors
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2021-05-17 13:05:57	debdrup	mzar: yes, I know.
2021-05-17 13:06:26	debdrup	kiwiirc: that's what I told you to do to begin with..
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2021-05-17 13:10:50	kiwiirc	i thought you said & was the hack method and the rc script was the right way?
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2021-05-17 13:37:52	dvl	AllanJude: Will send email soon, but a week from Friday is PGCon Unconference.
2021-05-17 13:39:20	AllanJude	dvl: k
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2021-05-17 13:44:05	lattera	AllanJude: kevans91: so I'm writing an app that consumes libzfs. I'm trying to include libzfs.h. libzfs.h includes libnvpair.h. I'm getting tons of these errors:
2021-05-17 13:44:08	lattera	In file included from /usr/home/shawn/projects/hbsdmon/usr.bin/hbsdmon/zfs.c:42:
2021-05-17 13:44:09	lattera	In file included from /usr/include/libzfs.h:38:
2021-05-17 13:44:11	lattera	In file included from /usr/include/libnvpair.h:29:
2021-05-17 13:44:13	lattera	/usr/include/sys/nvpair.h:159:1: error: unknown type name 'uint_t'; did you mean 'uint8_t'?
2021-05-17 13:44:15	lattera	uint_t nvlist_nvflag(nvlist_t *);
2021-05-17 13:44:35	lattera	have either of you run into that when building out-of-tree projects that consume libzfs?
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2021-05-17 13:45:27	kevans91	lattera: this is the 'stupid include path' problem
2021-05-17 13:45:34	 *	kevans91 grabs a link
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2021-05-17 13:46:26	kevans91	lattera: any application wanting to use libzfs needs to repeat these -I incantations to some extent, else you'll end up with some unexpected header (like system libnvpair.h): https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/lib/libbe/Makefile#n56
2021-05-17 13:46:28	VimDiesel	Title: Makefile ÂŤ libbe ÂŤ lib - src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.freebsd.org)
2021-05-17 13:46:45	kevans91	lattera: i.e. you need to have the openzfs tree and it needs to be using the version of libnvpair.h in openzfs/include
2021-05-17 13:47:40	lattera	well, shoot, so that means my out-of-tree project will have a hard dependency on /usr/src (or a different src directory)?
2021-05-17 13:48:35	kevans91	yeah, pretty much. :-( You might be able to get away with some subset that's generally the kernel headers and maybe src/cddl
2021-05-17 13:48:49	dstolfa	lattera: i mean this isn't terribly uncommon... it happens quite often on various linux distros as well
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2021-05-17 13:49:26	lattera	dstolfa: yeah. I just prefer to not rely on having a src tree. but I am open to making exceptions
2021-05-17 13:49:27	kevans91	fwiw I found it pretty irritating as well
2021-05-17 13:49:28	kevans91	==-p
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2021-05-17 13:49:55	dstolfa	lattera: yeah, it's not great but at least it's not strictly worse than state-of-the-art :P
2021-05-17 13:51:20	lattera	I wonder how much effort it would be to create a set of headers meant for out-of-tree apps
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2021-05-17 13:51:49	dstolfa	i suspect it involves touching a lot of makefiles so you could do an .include or something
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2021-05-17 14:49:32	sig_9	is there a package that I can install to broadcast the print server on my raspPi so other computers on the network see it?
2021-05-17 14:49:55	sig_9	in raspian it showed itself on the network but not sure what was doing it
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2021-05-17 14:59:38	SpaceBass	I've got a box that uses mysql server to support another service. Everything was working fine. Now I'm seeing that mysql isn't running and when I try and start it, I get:
2021-05-17 14:59:47	SpaceBass	mysql-server does not exist in /etc/rc.d or the local startup
2021-05-17 14:59:47	SpaceBass	directories (/usr/local/etc/rc.d), or is not executable
2021-05-17 15:00:00	SpaceBass	If I re-install the port, will I keep my databases?
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2021-05-17 15:01:27	zi	should be fine; you can make a copy of /var/db/mysql if you are concerned
2021-05-17 15:02:00	SpaceBass	Ah! Good call!
2021-05-17 15:02:32	zi	the normal upgrade process involves deleting/reinstalling, so this isnt crazy
2021-05-17 15:02:36	zi	(the package)
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2021-05-17 15:17:44	crm	Has anyone got a "EMAIL SYNC FAILURE" email from the mailing lists' post mailer?
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2021-05-17 15:54:29	sig_9	is there a list of working printers for freebsd?
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2021-05-17 15:56:00	dkeav	anything that works with cups
2021-05-17 15:56:23	sig_9	not necessarily
2021-05-17 15:56:36	sig_9	I have a HL-2230 that works in linux but won't in freebsd
2021-05-17 15:56:48	mzar	sig_9: you have to configure cups manually, no OS wizard to help with this
2021-05-17 15:57:11	sig_9	I have
2021-05-17 15:57:22	sig_9	it sends the print job and says it is complete but nothing
2021-05-17 15:57:34	mzar	take a look at settings under Linux and try to reproduce
2021-05-17 15:58:03	sig_9	I pulled the ppd files from a .deb package
2021-05-17 15:58:07	sig_9	still nothing
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2021-05-17 15:59:19	sig_9	Brother_HL-2230_series accepting requests since Mon May 17 13:24:37 2021
2021-05-17 15:59:28	mzar	sig_9: you probably want to install those: foomatic-db foomatic-db-hpijs cups-filters
2021-05-17 15:59:49	sig_9	foomatic fails to copy ppd files under this raspPi freebsd image
2021-05-17 16:00:02	sig_9	whenever I install them they fail to copy
2021-05-17 16:00:11	mzar	so this could be a culprit
2021-05-17 16:00:16	sig_9	I'm hoping not
2021-05-17 16:00:33	sig_9	but thought it might be the support for the rasppi
2021-05-17 16:00:39	debdrup	lattera: please don't paste things into the channel, even if your client is using an anti-flood avoidance technique like staggering the messages; Sigyn (network services) will trigger on it and k-line you, and if it doesn't eventually I'm going to get annoyed with it and do something about it.
2021-05-17 16:01:42	debdrup	sig_9: if it sends the print job to the printer successfully, I would think that the problem is somewhere else.
2021-05-17 16:02:04	mzar	sig_9: if it's Brother then you probably only need cups-filters and foomatic-db
2021-05-17 16:02:05	debdrup	Check if you see the network traffic for it with tcpdump.
2021-05-17 16:02:26	sig_9	mzar: I've tried all of them, about to give up on this printer
2021-05-17 16:02:28	sig_9	heh
2021-05-17 16:03:22	lattera	debdrup: sorry, I didn't think it was that large of a paste. I'll post on a pastebin-like service next time
2021-05-17 16:04:02	debdrup	lattera: If it can't be put on one line with you typing out \n to indicate where new lines go, it's better to use a pastebin.
2021-05-17 16:04:58	mzar	but people are allowed to paste small amount of text to -social or #social
2021-05-17 16:06:50	debdrup	mzar: in general, the idea is to avoid pastes in all of the #freebsd namespace, including -social et al.
2021-05-17 16:07:36	mzar	kk, I was kidding
2021-05-17 16:07:55	kiwiirc	mzar c'mon man
2021-05-17 16:08:41	debdrup	mzar: kind of an obtuse joke, considering there was absolutely nothing to indicate it.
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2021-05-17 16:09:34	mzar	we should be kiding from time to time to release the increasing frustration of supported and supportees
2021-05-17 16:10:20	mzar	obsute... cool, looks like someone is tired
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2021-05-17 16:11:24	debdrup	mzar: text as a medium is notoriously difficult to distinguish sarcasm and jokes without some form of indicator
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2021-05-17 16:12:10	mzar	no worries,
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2021-05-17 16:15:43	sig_9	is there a package that will broadcast a network printer?
2021-05-17 16:15:57	sig_9	I think avahi does this
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2021-05-17 16:31:35	uskerine	is it possible to pass the standard input of a sh script to a command?
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2021-05-17 16:31:53	uskerine	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6980090/how-to-read-from-a-file-or-stdin-in-bash   <- like this but in sh
2021-05-17 16:31:54	VimDiesel	Title: How to read from a file or STDIN in Bash? - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
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2021-05-17 16:39:45	The_Ringmaster	so I have freebsd 13 installed (in virtualbox) with plasma 5 desktop. I've noticed with both firefox and otter browser that when I scroll it will go back a page. What setting is causing this behaviour?
2021-05-17 16:39:53	mzar	uskerine: done <&0 will do the trick for Bourne shell
2021-05-17 16:40:08	mzar	while read line
2021-05-17 16:40:08	mzar	do echo "$line"
2021-05-17 16:40:09	mzar	done <&0
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2021-05-17 16:41:22	mzar	The_Ringmaster: you should have tried it on real HW, it just works
2021-05-17 16:41:49	The_Ringmaster	well on the falkon browser it doesn't seem to have the same behavior
2021-05-17 16:42:13	mzar	I am not familiar with this, perhaps someone will help
2021-05-17 16:42:29	uskerine	thanks
2021-05-17 16:42:41	The_Ringmaster	but falkon browser does seem to trust any websites certificates.. not sure about that one but it's annoying
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2021-05-17 16:47:47	The_Ringmaster	https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/gnome3-weird-scroll-wheel-behaviour.78532/
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2021-05-17 16:47:47	VimDiesel	Title: Solved - GNOME3: Weird scroll wheel behaviour | The FreeBSD Forums (at forums.freebsd.org)
2021-05-17 16:47:49	The_Ringmaster	there we go
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2021-05-17 17:03:45	uskerine	how do I know if cups is installed?
2021-05-17 17:04:26	RhodiumToad	pkg info cups  ?
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2021-05-17 17:04:59	RhodiumToad	or see if /usr/local/lib/libcups.so.* is present?
2021-05-17 17:05:36	uskerine	thanks, it is installed
2021-05-17 17:05:46	uskerine	I guess it is not installed by default, right?
2021-05-17 17:06:10	mzar	cups is not a part of base system if you are asking about it
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2021-05-17 17:13:32	RhodiumToad	quite a few packages will pull it in as a dependency
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2021-05-17 17:13:50	RhodiumToad	e.g. all gtk apps
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2021-05-17 17:13:55	uskerine	i just wanted to know if I installed here or not
2021-05-17 17:14:07	uskerine	actually now I was interested in lpd, I was just using the line printer
2021-05-17 17:14:26	RhodiumToad	lpd is probably not very useful these days
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2021-05-17 17:14:42	uskerine	I just have a line printer in this system
2021-05-17 17:14:55	uskerine	but yes I know what you mean
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2021-05-17 17:19:50	mzar	uskerine: CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes
2021-05-17 17:19:51	mzar	WITHOUT_LPR=yes
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2021-05-17 17:21:08	sig_9	does lpd have to be loaded for a print server?
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2021-05-17 17:22:10	RhodiumToad	CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE?
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2021-05-17 17:22:27	RhodiumToad	sig_9: not if you're using cups
2021-05-17 17:22:37	sig_9	copy
2021-05-17 17:23:09	Skynet	I'm losing my mind here.  Can someone please tell me how to pass to grep's --exlcude options, the directories '/tmp','/directory/sub1', and '/directory/sub2'?
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2021-05-17 17:23:44	gbristol	--exclude-dir={.git,.hg,.svn} <-- how i do it with zsh
2021-05-17 17:23:57	gbristol	but you'd just have to list those in there
2021-05-17 17:24:10	Skynet	gbristol that's GNU grep
2021-05-17 17:24:21	Skynet	FreeBSD has a different grep
2021-05-17 17:24:50	RhodiumToad	bsd grep supports many gnu options including --exclude
2021-05-17 17:25:00	gbristol	> grep (BSD grep) 2.5.1-FreeBSD
2021-05-17 17:25:06	gbristol	you sure about that bud?
2021-05-17 17:25:17	Skynet	RhodiumToad: not --exclude-dir as gbristol suggested
2021-05-17 17:25:21	gbristol	(granted it is on os x)
2021-05-17 17:25:27	RhodiumToad	--exclude-dir pattern
2021-05-17 17:25:31	gbristol	but it's definitely not GNU grep i'm using
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2021-05-17 17:25:57	Skynet	Well my grep doesn't support that option, and it's a FreeBSD base grep
2021-05-17 17:26:07	Skynet	Nor is it in the docs
2021-05-17 17:26:17	RhodiumToad	Skynet: what fbsd version?
2021-05-17 17:26:30	Skynet	12.1
2021-05-17 17:26:39	Skynet	(or 12.2)
2021-05-17 17:26:42	gbristol	what grep version is it?
2021-05-17 17:26:48	Skynet	It's definitely a 12
2021-05-17 17:27:15	Skynet	 # grep --version
2021-05-17 17:27:15	Skynet	grep (GNU grep) 2.5.1-FreeBSD
2021-05-17 17:27:22	Skynet	Hmmm....
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2021-05-17 17:27:27	gbristol	i mean that's the same version i'm using
2021-05-17 17:27:36	Skynet	It doesn't like it when I add --exclude-dir
2021-05-17 17:27:38	RhodiumToad	my 12-stable system has bsdgrep 2.6.0
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2021-05-17 17:27:46	RhodiumToad	what exact command did you use
2021-05-17 17:27:56	Skynet	# grep --exclude-dir
2021-05-17 17:27:56	Skynet	grep: unrecognized option `--exclude-dir'
2021-05-17 17:28:18	RhodiumToad	that looks like gnu grep
2021-05-17 17:28:21	nesta	yep
2021-05-17 17:28:24	gbristol	yeah
2021-05-17 17:28:36	RhodiumToad	bsd grep would give  bsdgrep: option `--exclude-dir' requires an argument
2021-05-17 17:29:13	Skynet	Any way to know if there are multiple greps installed?
2021-05-17 17:29:23	Skynet	I don't recall installing any.
2021-05-17 17:29:44	nesta	which grep
2021-05-17 17:29:54	Skynet	Returns /usr/bin/grep
2021-05-17 17:29:57	RhodiumToad	in 12.x the default is both gnu grep (installed as "grep") and bsd grep (installed as "bsdgrep") in the base system
2021-05-17 17:30:14	RhodiumToad	in 13.x bsd grep is installed under both names I believe
2021-05-17 17:30:28	RhodiumToad	nope, just as grep apparently
2021-05-17 17:30:46	Skynet	bsdgrep supports the argument --exclude-dir
2021-05-17 17:30:59	Skynet	I'll use that
2021-05-17 17:31:09	mzar	so install it from ports/packages
2021-05-17 17:31:20	Skynet	It's already installed
2021-05-17 17:31:30	Skynet	Just didn't know it existed as bsdgrep
2021-05-17 17:31:46	mzar	invoke with full path then if you want to use GNU grep
2021-05-17 17:32:15	Skynet	But it's not excluding the directories I specified. :-(
2021-05-17 17:32:32	mzar	perhaps the shell is culprit here
2021-05-17 17:32:44	mzar	try to run it in different shell
2021-05-17 17:32:47	Skynet	Here's the exact command being fed to the shell.
2021-05-17 17:32:48	Skynet	bsdgrep --exclude={/tmp,/usr/local/www/nextcloud/data,/usr/local/www/nextcloud/core,/usr/local/www/nextcloud/apps} -rnw '/' -e 'upload_max_filesize'
2021-05-17 17:33:04	RhodiumToad	Skynet: what shell are you running that in?
2021-05-17 17:33:07	Skynet	Oh wait.  I'm an idiot
2021-05-17 17:33:17	Skynet	I used --exclude :p
2021-05-17 17:33:47	Skynet	There we go.
2021-05-17 17:33:50	RhodiumToad	the {...} expansion doesn't exist in sh, only in bash/zsh/ksh/etc.
2021-05-17 17:34:01	mzar	true
2021-05-17 17:34:23	Skynet	The host uses ZSH, and so do the jails of iocage.  If I'm not mistaken.
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2021-05-17 17:36:15	Skynet	RhodiumToad: thanks for bsdgrep
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2021-05-17 17:39:07	et09	anyone have a /etc/pam.d/dovecot i can see?
2021-05-17 17:39:12	et09	docs not clear on freebsd
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2021-05-17 17:55:58	et09	ah i fixed it n/m
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2021-05-17 18:15:23	sig_9	ulpt0: using bi-directional mode   <---- could this be an issue with printing on a network
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2021-05-17 18:15:34	RhodiumToad	no
2021-05-17 18:17:05	sig_9	it sees the printer on usb://dev/usblp0
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2021-05-17 18:18:29	RhodiumToad	yes, so?
2021-05-17 18:18:44	RhodiumToad	(by "it" I assume you mean cups, yes?)
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2021-05-17 18:18:53	sig_9	yes sorry
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2021-05-17 18:19:23	RhodiumToad	so what works and what doesn't?
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2021-05-17 18:19:43	sig_9	heh
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2021-05-17 18:20:06	sig_9	well I can connect to cups, add printer but can't actually print to it
2021-05-17 18:20:16	RhodiumToad	what happens when you try
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2021-05-17 18:20:35	RhodiumToad	(and are you sure you're using the right program to try and print)
2021-05-17 18:20:55	sig_9	using socket://ipaddress  says completed but nothing goes through
2021-05-17 18:21:07	RhodiumToad	using that how and where?
2021-05-17 18:21:35	sig_9	printer server is the Raspberry PI 4 running freebsd
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2021-05-17 18:22:22	RhodiumToad	that doesn't answer the question
2021-05-17 18:22:35	sig_9	if I test print from any machine on the network it says completed but nothing goes through to the printer. same as if I test print from the server
2021-05-17 18:22:41	RhodiumToad	what did you try and print, from where, using which program with what options?
2021-05-17 18:22:49	sig_9	cups
2021-05-17 18:22:52	sig_9	web interface
2021-05-17 18:22:56	RhodiumToad	and what does  lpstat -t   on the printer server show?
2021-05-17 18:24:10	sig_9	https://bsd.to/yGke
2021-05-17 18:24:11	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/yGke (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
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2021-05-17 18:25:48	RhodiumToad	and what EXACTLY did you do on some other system to try and print? and does printing locally on the print server work?
2021-05-17 18:26:01	RhodiumToad	e.g.  echo "foo!" | lpr-cups   should work
2021-05-17 18:27:01	sig_9	just staying with cups interfaces on other pc's and printing from the the web interface on each localhost:631
2021-05-17 18:27:32	RhodiumToad	that doesn't tell me anything about what you did
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2021-05-17 18:29:25	sig_9	Using cups interface, I added the printer and send a test print to the server with nothing.
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2021-05-17 18:31:15	sig_9	but on the cups interface on the server after I send a "test Print" it does show completed but it doesn't
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2021-05-17 18:31:39	RhodiumToad	don't waste your time trying to print from anywhere else until you can print directly from the print server
2021-05-17 18:32:12	RypPn	you need to delve into logging to find useful info rather than a sad story
2021-05-17 18:32:16	RhodiumToad	what happens if you print on the print server using lpr-cups as I just suggested?
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2021-05-17 18:33:02	sig_9	just drops to the next line, no output
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2021-05-17 18:35:42	RhodiumToad	does  lpstat  show any pending jobs?
2021-05-17 18:35:59	sig_9	it does not
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2021-05-17 18:39:29	RhodiumToad	ok. you need to look at the cups logs, and possibly enable more logging
2021-05-17 18:40:13	sig_9	I see this: avahi-daemon[1195]: dbus_bus_get_private(): Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
2021-05-17 18:40:22	RhodiumToad	not relevant
2021-05-17 18:40:25	sig_9	ok
2021-05-17 18:40:30	RhodiumToad	see /var/log/cups
2021-05-17 18:41:13	sig_9	unable to encrypt connection: A TLS fatal alert has been received
2021-05-17 18:41:31	RhodiumToad	where?
2021-05-17 18:42:48	sig_9	where would I find that
2021-05-17 18:42:56	RhodiumToad	where DID you find it
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2021-05-17 18:43:10	sig_9	 /var/log/cups/error.log
2021-05-17 18:43:15	RhodiumToad	context?
2021-05-17 18:43:33	RhodiumToad	and are there lots of them, and do they match up with your attempts to print?
2021-05-17 18:44:08	sig_9	yes lots of them and yes with the attempts to print
2021-05-17 18:46:17	RhodiumToad	anything in your cups config about ssl?
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2021-05-17 18:49:26	RhodiumToad	and do you have a /usr/local/etc/cups/client.conf  and if so what is in it?
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2021-05-17 19:07:09	sig_9	RhodiumToad: so sorry... I had a shipment come in and had to pay the driver.
2021-05-17 19:07:18	sig_9	ok I got foo! printed
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2021-05-17 19:08:45	dkeav	cool, good work
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2021-05-17 19:25:34	_xor	Heh, sounds like rt is some kind of drug kinpin :P
2021-05-17 19:25:38	_xor	*kingpin
2021-05-17 19:27:02	_xor	I saw this documentary once about drugs in the UK called "Lock, Stock, & Two Smoking Barrels" and I picture rt as Rory in it.
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2021-05-17 20:20:06	hendursaga	Is Michael W. Lucas on here? I just purchased a book of his.
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2021-05-17 20:20:45	hendursaga	On jails. I figured it'd be helpful to read through.
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2021-05-17 20:29:46	et09	i set up a sweet new server on freebsd ;)
2021-05-17 20:29:52	et09	it was a headache but not so much the freebsd part
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2021-05-17 20:32:13	Schamschula	I was just updating ports under 13.0-RELEASE, and it installed samba412 and several dependents. I didn't previously have samba installed. Why?
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2021-05-17 20:33:30	Schamschula	I don't want samba running, as the server  has no need for it.
2021-05-17 20:34:17	RhodiumToad	pkg info -r samba412   will tell you what pulled that in
2021-05-17 20:39:14	mmoriarity	just having it installed shouldn't cause samba to be running, you would have to enable something in rc.conf for that
2021-05-17 20:39:44	Schamschula	Hmm. php74-pecl-smbclient
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2021-05-17 20:39:58	mmoriarity	yeah that would probably do it :)
2021-05-17 20:40:47	RhodiumToad	pkg info -r php74-pecl-smbclient   to see what pulled that in, and so on
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2021-05-17 20:45:00	kiwiirc	any way to run xinit without it automatically moving you to the tty with x?
2021-05-17 20:45:29	Schamschula	Except, it's not installed on this machine. I manually deleted the whole stack leading to samba412 on this particular machine. I ran "pkg info -r samba412" on my other machine, which does need samba.
2021-05-17 20:46:27	Schamschula	s/it's not/wasn't/
2021-05-17 20:46:41	RhodiumToad	what was in that stack that got deleted, out of curiosity?
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2021-05-17 20:48:56	Schamschula	lmdb, tbd, gamin, libnotify p5-Parse-Yapp, talloc, tevent, cmocka, libsunacl, py38-zipp, py38-importlib-metadata, py38-markdown and samba412
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2021-05-17 20:49:02	dkeav	kiwiirc: maybe xinit -- vt#
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2021-05-17 20:50:16	Schamschula	Nothing beyond samba412. Everything else was pulled in to install samba
2021-05-17 20:50:18	RhodiumToad	"tbd"?
2021-05-17 20:50:28	_xor	tbb
2021-05-17 20:50:42	RhodiumToad	or tdb?
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2021-05-17 20:51:42	_xor	The two most common reasons I've run into for that scenario is due to one port updating a dependency to a breaking-change version, which then causes other ports to conflict & get uninstalled until they're updated as well.
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2021-05-17 20:52:09	_xor	Er yeah, tdb.  I had an issue with that + one other library I can't remember off the top of my head that caused samba to conflict.
2021-05-17 20:52:19	RhodiumToad	Schamschula: what did you have to remove in order to remove samba, though?
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2021-05-17 20:54:22	Schamschula	I removed the above list of previously uninstalled packages. They all are dependencies for samba412.
2021-05-17 20:54:52	_xor	He's asking what depended on samba, hence the -r flag.
2021-05-17 20:54:52	RhodiumToad	samba412 wouldn't be installed at all unless either you asked for it, or something pulled it in
2021-05-17 20:54:58	RhodiumToad	the question is, what pulled it in
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2021-05-17 20:55:29	RhodiumToad	removing packages without -f also removes anything that depends on them
2021-05-17 20:56:08	_xor	By default I make use of the -n flag now to review the changes.  That and I run autoremove.
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2021-05-17 20:56:56	Schamschula	Except that "pkg delete" explicitly asks if I want to remove the dependent packages.
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2021-05-17 20:57:50	RhodiumToad	pkg delete X  askes if you want to remove things that _depend on_ X, not things that X depends on
2021-05-17 20:58:06	Schamschula	I did an experiment, and re-ran "portmaster -aB" and it didn't find anything.
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2021-05-17 21:00:01	Schamschula	Correct. I deleted the new packages, each time either the package I was deleting, or sometimes that package and its dependents were listed.
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2021-05-17 21:00:53	kiwiirc	dkeav like xinit /path/to/myrc -- vt# if i have a config?
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2021-05-17 21:01:27	dkeav	something like that, looking at the Xserver manpage it may be ttyXX
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2021-05-17 21:01:51	dkeav	but it may still switch, i'm not sure
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2021-05-17 21:02:07	RhodiumToad	yes, it'll switch
2021-05-17 21:03:12	RhodiumToad	pretty sure there's no way to make it not do that.
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2021-05-17 21:05:11	Schamschula	BTW: is there  a quick way of determining the package dependencies? I spend a lot of time packaging under MacPorts. I'm used to "port rdeps package" to get the entire tree, or "port rdependents package" for all packages that depend on it (recursively).
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2021-05-17 21:06:43	RhodiumToad	for installed packages, or for uninstalled packages in a repo?
2021-05-17 21:07:00	dkeav	pkg info -Rx <portname> ???
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2021-05-17 21:07:34	RhodiumToad	what do you think that does?
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2021-05-17 21:07:58	dkeav	i assume nothing, as thats from the pkg_add days
2021-05-17 21:08:01	Schamschula	The former works for any package, installed or not. The latter only for installed packages.
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2021-05-17 21:08:42	RhodiumToad	pkg seems to be missing options to recursively show dependencies, other than things like trying to install with -n and seeing what it lists as needing to install
2021-05-17 21:09:16	RhodiumToad	pkg rquery can show dependencies in both directions for packages in a repo, even if not installed, but there's no option to recurse
2021-05-17 21:09:36	Schamschula	Yikes! pkg info -Rx is verbose!
2021-05-17 21:09:36	RhodiumToad	obviously one could whomp up a suitable script
2021-05-17 21:09:50	dkeav	yea -R is "raw"
2021-05-17 21:09:52	dkeav	hehe
2021-05-17 21:09:55	RhodiumToad	pkg info -R  shows the raw package metadata including the file list
2021-05-17 21:10:04	Schamschula	So it seems!
2021-05-17 21:10:10	RhodiumToad	and -x just means to treat the name as a regex
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2021-05-17 21:10:41	RhodiumToad	pkg info -r  shows the reverse dependencies (i.e. pkg info -r X  shows the installed packages that depend directly on X)
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2021-05-17 21:11:06	dkeav	iirc in ports tree you can do a make depends-list
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2021-05-17 21:11:16	dkeav	or maybe it was all-depends-list
2021-05-17 21:11:18	RhodiumToad	pkg rquery '%rn' somepkgname   works for packages in a repo
2021-05-17 21:11:42	RhodiumToad	the depends lists from ports are next to useless, all-depends-list includes build and test dependencies for example
2021-05-17 21:11:54	dkeav	bah
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2021-05-17 21:12:02	Schamschula	-x wouldn't pull in that openssh depends on openssl, but would list py38-openssl, etc.
2021-05-17 21:12:09	RhodiumToad	so for example the output of  make all-depends-list  in audio/lv2  includes most of X
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2021-05-17 21:13:03	RhodiumToad	make -C audio/lv2 all-depends-list | wc -l  ##  425 ports
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2021-05-17 21:13:23	dkeav	lol
2021-05-17 21:14:24	RhodiumToad	almost all of them pulled in by the fact that py-rdflib has a test dependency on py-networkx which pulls in GDAL which pulls in several kitchen sinks
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2021-05-17 21:15:09	dkeav	not ideal
2021-05-17 21:16:18	RhodiumToad	to compound matters, the INDEX file which is supposed to provide dependency info for the ports tree is broken and useless
2021-05-17 21:16:42	RhodiumToad	(it knows nothing of flavors, so it often reports incorrect dependencies)
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2021-05-17 21:21:47	Schamschula	 make -C math/octave all-depends-list | wc -l  ##  558 ports
2021-05-17 21:23:16	RhodiumToad	make -C math/octave TEST_DEPENDS="" all-depends-list | wc -l  ## 357 ports
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2021-05-17 21:25:07	RhodiumToad	package-depends-list looks more promising
2021-05-17 21:25:20	RhodiumToad	that excludes build and test deps
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2021-05-17 21:28:01	Schamschula	package-depends-list cuts octave down to 239
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2021-05-17 22:06:17	BraveheartBSD	Is calling nvidia-modeset from rc.conf broken on 13.0?
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2021-05-17 22:07:55	RhodiumToad	shouldn't be, that's the standard way
2021-05-17 22:08:02	RhodiumToad	what happened when you tried?
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2021-05-17 22:09:03	BraveheartBSD	Fails. no card/driver found. Only way to get it up is via boot/loader.conf
2021-05-17 22:09:56	RhodiumToad	did you check you have the correct package installed, in the correct place?
2021-05-17 22:10:07	RhodiumToad	and what is in your loader.conf?
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2021-05-17 22:10:47	RhodiumToad	(at least on EFI systems, trying to load nvidia in loader.conf is likely to cause the boot to fail entirely)
2021-05-17 22:11:56	BraveheartBSD	Alienware M17 lappie, discreet gfx selected in bios. Latest driver is installed (pkg)and laoder.conf only has Linux and nvidia-modset
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2021-05-17 22:12:23	RhodiumToad	remove everything from loader.conf then
2021-05-17 22:12:38	RhodiumToad	linux should be loaded using linux_enable="YES" in rc.conf
2021-05-17 22:13:09	BraveheartBSD	ok, 1 sec
2021-05-17 22:13:14	RhodiumToad	EFI or legacy boot?
2021-05-17 22:13:54	BraveheartBSD	legacy, uefi boot boots up a gorgeous frame buffer, lol
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2021-05-17 22:16:24	BraveheartBSD	Rebooting with changes
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2021-05-17 22:21:55	 *	RhodiumToad awaits developments
2021-05-17 22:22:24	 *	RhodiumToad makes a bet with himself
2021-05-17 22:22:57	 *	RhodiumToad precommits to 8857192045b6123753637b9fc8db9c6688b42b97d52c7a16bbe8b13171dc2610
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2021-05-17 22:23:23	RhodiumToad	and?
2021-05-17 22:23:31	BraveheartBSD	Ok, this is wierd, it now works as expected
2021-05-17 22:23:55	RhodiumToad	it loaded it ok from kld_list?
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2021-05-17 22:24:11	sab110	meta-1 /buffer *
2021-05-17 22:24:29	BraveheartBSD	Yes, called from rc.conf
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2021-05-17 22:25:31	RhodiumToad	well then. I lose the bet with myself
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2021-05-17 22:25:54	sab110	:bN
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2021-05-17 22:26:46	BraveheartBSD	Lol, sorry. May have been a typo somewhere, i was on this thing at 2.00am
2021-05-17 22:34:43	CrtxReavr	rc.conf calls nothing.
2021-05-17 22:34:46	CrtxReavr	It just sets variables.
2021-05-17 22:35:31	RhodiumToad	yes, but saying what actually happened is more tedious
2021-05-17 22:36:04	RhodiumToad	"/etc/rc.d/kld loaded nvidia-modeset because it was listed in kld_list in rc.conf"
2021-05-17 22:38:40	CrtxReavr	It's only tedious when you say it.
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2021-05-17 22:59:20	et09	i install fortune-mod-bofh, fortune-mod-futurama, etc.,
2021-05-17 22:59:26	et09	but i notice default "fortune" can't find those files
2021-05-17 22:59:48	et09	i guess... you have to write 'all'
2021-05-17 23:00:54	et09	(man the futurama ones kind of suck)
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2021-05-17 23:12:09	et09	does sshfs from a linux client require anything besides sshd etc on the server?
2021-05-17 23:12:23	et09	my freebsd servers don't seem to like being mounted
2021-05-17 23:13:21	et09	ah... there it goes, n/m
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2021-05-17 23:18:52	_xor	It seems sysrc isn't as well-known as it should be, I think.
2021-05-17 23:19:19	_xor	Wait, does sysrc just help resolve a an rc file and make basic edits or does it also sanity check what you're trying to set?
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2021-05-17 23:23:16	RhodiumToad	it does enforce some minimal sanity I believe
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2021-05-17 23:28:10	_xor	My train of thought there was: "I'd imagine it would. Wait, if it's just a shell script then maybe not? Otherwise it might need a parser. Wait no, knobs are super simple key-values, maybe just needs to validate string=string with proper quoting?"
2021-05-17 23:30:13	_xor	Is validating whether a knob exists or not deterministic? (as in can looking at /etc/default, /usr/local/etc/rc.d, etc and accumulating a list of declared variables be done?)
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2021-05-17 23:32:23	RhodiumToad	no
2021-05-17 23:32:53	RhodiumToad	port rc.d files can and will check things that aren't in any defaults file
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2021-05-18 04:01:41	DarwinElf	can I upgrade from FreeBSD 12.2 to 13 or it has to be a reinstall?
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2021-05-18 04:03:50	moon-child	upgrade
2021-05-18 04:04:04	CosmicDJ	DarwinElf: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/relnotes/ "Binary upgrades between RELEASE versions are supported using the freebsd-update(8) utility."
2021-05-18 04:04:05	VimDiesel	Title: FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE Release Notes | The FreeBSD Project (at www.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-18 04:05:10	CosmicDJ	DarwinElf: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/installation/ "Systems running 11.4-RELEASE or 12.2-RELEASE can upgrade as follows:"
2021-05-18 04:05:11	VimDiesel	Title: FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE Installation Instructions | The FreeBSD Project (at www.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-18 04:08:16	DarwinElf	thanks
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2021-05-18 04:14:50	bruvvha	do you think he can upgrade from freebsd 12.2 to 13 or did he reinstall?
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2021-05-18 04:18:41	CosmicDJ	bruvvha: that's up to him ;)
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2021-05-18 04:24:23	moon-child	maybe the real upgrade was the friends we made along the way
2021-05-18 04:24:48	bruvvha	<3
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2021-05-18 06:30:44	debdrup	Huh, you learn some neat things from Twitter. https://twitter.com/dmilith/status/1394593694859161600 taught me about _oomprotect in rc.subr(8) which can be used in /etc/rc.conf to protect services from being killed by the OOM killer.
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2021-05-18 08:35:23	vkarlsen	debdrup: Thanks, that is neat. Setting it on unbound.
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2021-05-18 08:36:37	kiwiirc	if something's killed by oom is there a log entry made?
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2021-05-18 08:42:01	vkarlsen	kernel: pid 63725 (unbound), jid 0, uid 59, was killed: out of swap space
2021-05-18 08:43:06	vkarlsen	Then I sit there like it's 1995, waiting for a hostname to resolve
2021-05-18 08:43:25	kevans91	ah, so ample time to party
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2021-05-18 08:58:47	kiwiirc	any way to have xinit not automatically change my focus tty from what i type it into to the tty x starts on?
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2021-05-18 09:05:47	debdrup	Not without heavy modification of Xorg, I suspect.
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2021-05-18 09:06:13	debdrup	vkarlsen: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D30330
2021-05-18 09:06:14	VimDiesel	Title: ⚙ D30330 rc.conf(5): Add _limits, _loginclass, and _oomprotect (at reviews.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-18 09:07:21	debdrup	kiwiirc: also, that question is probably better asked in one of the xorg channels, since it's not really got much to do with FreeBSD.
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2021-05-18 09:23:01	kiwiirc	ah ya
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2021-05-18 09:28:11	debdrup	RhodiumToad_: are you part of the postgres team (pgsql@), and can you do something about https://nitter.eu/mulander/status/1394642736863666176 ?
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2021-05-18 09:38:41	Cubox	Hi! I need a little bit of help. I have python3.9 installed with in make.conf it defined in the default version.I have installed python3.8 as well, and I want to install pip for python3.8 (being separated from the 3.9 one), but I can't figure out how to specify to portmaster to build the 3.8 version.
2021-05-18 09:40:11	Cubox	I tried using PYTHON_VERSION but this changes nothing. I'm sure there is something to do to build just this little pip with 3.8 and keep 3.9 as default, but I can't find how
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2021-05-18 10:01:30	dkeav	https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/flavors/#flavors-using
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2021-05-18 10:01:31	VimDiesel	Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 7. Flavors (at docs.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-18 10:18:51	weust	anyone else having issues configuring mail/evolution-ews? Using poudriere in my case. CMake Error at cmake/modules/PrintableOptions.cmake:38 (message):
2021-05-18 10:18:51	weust	  variable name cannot be empty
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2021-05-18 11:38:42	RhodiumToad	debdrup: I'm not part of pgsql@
2021-05-18 11:51:04	debdrup	RhodiumToad: fair enough
2021-05-18 11:51:42	RhodiumToad	doesn't look fixable upstream (we already have hacks to do OOM protection on linux)
2021-05-18 11:52:13	mzar	good afternoon RhodiumToad, debdrup and others
2021-05-18 11:52:27	mzar	it looks like not so many issues to support today
2021-05-18 11:52:33	RhodiumToad	but the procctl call seems to require root privilege, which postgresql never has
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2021-05-18 12:08:53	debdrup	RhodiumToad: the idea is to have rc set the protect bit when launching the service, which requires _start which postgres is overriding in order to launch as the pgsql user, which in theory could be done using _user
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2021-05-18 12:12:29	RhodiumToad	yes, I saw that
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2021-05-18 12:15:08	RhodiumToad	so, the rc script in the port uses su -l, whereas rc.subr would use su -m for *_user
2021-05-18 12:15:15	RhodiumToad	that may be relevant
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2021-05-18 12:16:06	RhodiumToad	also rc.subr uses another level or two of shell quoting when doing that
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2021-05-18 12:39:22	debdrup	Not sure sure how to go about getting the port fixed.
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2021-05-18 12:46:18	RhodiumToad	I don't know who is on pgsql@ other than girgen
2021-05-18 12:47:07	debdrup	https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=cc6f46ac2fd5 one day commits like this will make sense, I keep telling myself.
2021-05-18 12:47:08	VimDiesel	Title: src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.FreeBSD.org)
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2021-05-18 12:47:35	debdrup	I mean the code - the comments do make a fair go at explaining it.
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2021-05-18 13:26:02	SymbioticFemale	whats the situation if the firewall rules fail to load properly on boot?
2021-05-18 13:26:10	SymbioticFemale	does it default to "let everything in and out"?
2021-05-18 13:26:21	SymbioticFemale	if so, what should I do about this?
2021-05-18 13:27:20	SymbioticFemale	my concern was raised by some unattended kernel upgrades leading to firewall rules not being loaded or not loaded properly
2021-05-18 13:27:29	Dwarf	I think it defaults to "block everything"
2021-05-18 13:27:36	RhodiumToad	it's configurable
2021-05-18 13:28:02	SymbioticFemale	configurable where?
2021-05-18 13:28:10	RhodiumToad	sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept
2021-05-18 13:28:31	RhodiumToad	the default for that, in turn, is compiled into the kernel
2021-05-18 13:28:39	SymbioticFemale	ah
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2021-05-18 13:29:38	RhodiumToad	oh, that default has to be set in loader.conf if you want to change it
2021-05-18 13:30:30	kiwiirc	when you guys create files like text files or transfer pics from your camera, do you use file extensions like .txt or .jpg?
2021-05-18 13:30:36	debdrup	Conceptually, a firewall has to have block by default as the fall-back, otherwise it isn't doing what it's supposed to.
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2021-05-18 13:31:00	kiwiirc	i see a lot of files in *nix world not have extensions but some do, so i wonder where most ppl draw the line
2021-05-18 13:31:18	RhodiumToad	debdrup: the default specified by that sysctl becomes the implicit rule number 65535 (assuming ipfw here, dunno about pf),
2021-05-18 13:31:21	debdrup	kiwiirc: dos file extensions are fine for interoperability with other systems, but for the notes that I'm just keeping on my filesystem until I move them to my local wiki, I don't append file types.
2021-05-18 13:31:41	RhodiumToad	whereas actual sets of firewall rules usually have a rule 65000 that specifies the desired default allow/deny
2021-05-18 13:31:48	debdrup	RhodiumToad: right, but I was talking about in general vis-a-vis the whole access control list functionality.
2021-05-18 13:31:55	SymbioticFemale	RhodiumToad: yeah i'm not finding anything in sysctl net.inet.ip.fw
2021-05-18 13:32:02	kiwiirc	makes sense. if you took some pics would you keep the .jpg .png etc extensions?
2021-05-18 13:32:02	debdrup	An access control list that doesn't block by default isn't useful.
2021-05-18 13:32:03	RhodiumToad	so usually the sysctl/tunable only matters if the ruleset wasn't loaded.
2021-05-18 13:32:09	kiwiirc	even if you didn't share the pics
2021-05-18 13:32:19	RhodiumToad	SymbioticFemale: using pf? that may have its own setting somewhere
2021-05-18 13:32:38	kiwiirc	i use pf and my rules start with a default block all
2021-05-18 13:32:40	SymbioticFemale	RhodiumToad: yeah
2021-05-18 13:32:49	SymbioticFemale	kiwiirc: alright cool
2021-05-18 13:33:19	RhodiumToad	kiwiirc: I use file extensions for documentary purposes and convenience in editing
2021-05-18 13:33:20	kiwiirc	i also log on it so i can watch everything that's blocked in realtime
2021-05-18 13:33:21	SymbioticFemale	kiwiirc: hmm, you mean, your personal ruleset, or "the fallback"?
2021-05-18 13:33:24	debdrup	kiwiirc: the images I import are .DNG, and I don't touch them with anything but darktable - it gets exported to my gallary as a png file, and I assume that uses .png files, but I never bothered to check.
2021-05-18 13:33:35	kiwiirc	my personal ruleset. there's no default afaik
2021-05-18 13:34:13	kiwiirc	RhodiumToad do you use extensions on every file you make? like even .txt on simple note files
2021-05-18 13:34:14	SymbioticFemale	kiwiirc: so "no default" means that if the ruleset fails to load due to a syntax error or kernel fkup, then its open season?
2021-05-18 13:34:28	SymbioticFemale	kiwiirc: this is precisely the problem i am concerned with
2021-05-18 13:34:32	debdrup	Access control lists should have the most specific rules first, then more generic rules the lower you get in the ruleset, until you hit the last rule which, as I've said, should be blocking everything
2021-05-18 13:34:45	kiwiirc	i think so, but i have a process where my syntax is checked upon every config change
2021-05-18 13:34:52	kiwiirc	automatically ofc
2021-05-18 13:35:02	RhodiumToad	probably 95%+ of all files
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2021-05-18 13:35:13	kiwiirc	but even .txt?
2021-05-18 13:35:22	RhodiumToad	often not .txt
2021-05-18 13:35:27	kiwiirc	ok
2021-05-18 13:35:37	SymbioticFemale	kiwiirc: yeah even pfctl checks the syntax, but i had a couple times where a kernel update without reboot caused issues with firewall rdr rules and then I tried to reload the ruleset but it refused
2021-05-18 13:35:40	kiwiirc	ill do what you guys do
2021-05-18 13:36:04	SymbioticFemale	kiwiirc: i'm concerned that this lack of a fallback is resulting in my network being wide open when this rare circumstance occurs
2021-05-18 13:36:22	kiwiirc	SymbioticFemale ya that's a thing. hm. what you think a solution would be? some kinda fail mode where if pf is started with a bad syntax config, it just blocks all by default?
2021-05-18 13:36:28	SymbioticFemale	kiwiirc: just do what the cool kids do and name all your .txt files as .bin
2021-05-18 13:36:50	kiwiirc	sounds as useful as naming them .dat
2021-05-18 13:36:54	SymbioticFemale	kiwiirc: yeah that is what i want. if pf doesn't load, panic.
2021-05-18 13:37:10	kiwiirc	dont you want more than panic?
2021-05-18 13:37:26	kiwiirc	if it panics doesn't that mean terminate and therefore pf won't be running when you think it is?
2021-05-18 13:37:55	SymbioticFemale	i mean like burn down everything but don't for the love of god let down the firewall. i mean panic in the sense that my whole netstack should go down into hibernation and cut the copper wires.
2021-05-18 13:38:30	kiwiirc	ya well imo best solution along that line is what i said, a default block all rule
2021-05-18 13:38:47	kiwiirc	if you can't get any traffic in/out, you'll have an easy way to know there's a problem
2021-05-18 13:39:05	SymbioticFemale	hmm,
2021-05-18 13:39:10	kiwiirc	would be nice if a log message could be dumped into syslog too, like 'pf syntax error, starting in failsafe mode'
2021-05-18 13:40:19	 *	SymbioticFemale digs into /etc/rc.d/pf
2021-05-18 13:40:48	kiwiirc	good thoughts and keep at it
2021-05-18 13:41:01	kiwiirc	can't ever be too careful with computer garbage
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2021-05-18 13:48:08	kiwiirc	what's common practice re: a blank line at end of files? like scripts, config files
2021-05-18 13:49:09	RhodiumToad	just make sure you don't have a missing final newline, that confuses all sorts of stuff
2021-05-18 13:49:20	 *	RhodiumToad likes to put a comment on the last line
2021-05-18 13:49:21	kiwiirc	missing final newline?
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2021-05-18 13:49:45	RhodiumToad	if the last character in the file isn't a newline, some programs get confused
2021-05-18 13:49:52	kiwiirc	reason i was thinking about having blank last line is when i cat the file, if it isn't there, the prompt is shown after last line of text on same line
2021-05-18 13:50:16	RhodiumToad	that suggests a missing newline
2021-05-18 13:50:26	kiwiirc	hmm
2021-05-18 13:50:30	kiwiirc	ill investigate
2021-05-18 13:50:59	RhodiumToad	some shells are smarter about that than others.
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2021-05-18 13:51:50	RhodiumToad	zsh by default seems to output an inverse-video % and a newline before prompting, if the command didn't output a newline itself, not sure how it works that out
2021-05-18 13:51:59	kiwiirc	i found a file that does it. how can i inspect if it has a missing newline or not?
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2021-05-18 13:52:43	kiwiirc	im using bash
2021-05-18 13:52:53	RhodiumToad	hd filename | tail   and see if the last byte is 0a
2021-05-18 13:53:22	RhodiumToad	ot cat -vet filename   and see if it outputs a $ after the last actual character
2021-05-18 13:53:28	RhodiumToad	s/ot/or/
2021-05-18 13:53:51	RhodiumToad	(cat -e adds a $ character before each newline)
2021-05-18 13:54:30	RhodiumToad	(cat -vet  exposes non-printing characters, newlines and tabs, so it's a useful way to look for weird stuff)
2021-05-18 13:54:32	kiwiirc	looks like 6c (l) is last character, then there's a blank line with no hex or text that's number 00000143
2021-05-18 13:54:39	RhodiumToad	that's the byte offset
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2021-05-18 13:55:06	RhodiumToad	hd's output format starts each line with the offset within the file, then displays canonical hex/ascii dump
2021-05-18 13:55:25	RhodiumToad	if there's no 0a after the 6c, then the final newline is missing
2021-05-18 13:55:30	kiwiirc	there's no $ at end of last line
2021-05-18 13:55:40	kiwiirc	should vi add it?
2021-05-18 13:56:13	kiwiirc	hm ya it did
2021-05-18 13:56:30	RhodiumToad	vi should always write files with a final newline
2021-05-18 13:56:31	kiwiirc	i opened in vi, :wq, now $ shows and prompt is on its own line
2021-05-18 13:56:37	RhodiumToad	for other editors, it may be configurable
2021-05-18 13:57:06	kiwiirc	is it possible to search recursively for any files that lack the final newline so i can go and add them in?
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2021-05-18 14:00:30	RhodiumToad	you'd have to avoid non-text files somehow
2021-05-18 14:00:58	RhodiumToad	tail -c1 filename | wc -l   will output 1 if the file ends in a newline and 0 if it does not
2021-05-18 14:01:37	RhodiumToad	(though it'll also output 0 if the file is actually empty, which is usually ok)
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2021-05-18 14:03:13	kiwiirc	does windows newline '\r\n' work on unix? i cant test because i dont have any windows boxes
2021-05-18 14:04:25	mzar	kiwiirc: why shouldn't it work ?
2021-05-18 14:04:32	RhodiumToad	most unix tools will see that as a file in which all the lines end with \r
2021-05-18 14:04:35	kiwiirc	dunno
2021-05-18 14:04:42	RhodiumToad	since the \n is taken as being the actual newline
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2021-05-18 14:04:52	RhodiumToad	some editors may auto-detect it
2021-05-18 14:05:03	kiwiirc	what's the downside of every line ending effectively in /r?
2021-05-18 14:05:06	kiwiirc	\r
2021-05-18 14:05:18	RhodiumToad	it will confuse some programs
2021-05-18 14:05:30	RhodiumToad	and in some places it might be taken as literal data
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2021-05-18 14:25:57	kiwiirc	i gotta search for that and make sure none of my files have it
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2021-05-18 14:30:07	mcrane	kiwiirc: from what I've seen windows is the odd duck as they want \r\n and everyone else wants \n
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2021-05-18 14:31:44	mcrane	this is normal for Microsoft as they were the last to support native ssh, last browser to support png full transparency and last browser to support svg
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2021-05-18 14:32:29	RhodiumToad	actually it's not just windows that uses \r\n, it's the canonical line terminator for internet text protocols
2021-05-18 14:33:16	RhodiumToad	(worse is the old Apple standard of using just \r, I don't know what they do now)
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2021-05-18 14:36:26	mcrane	https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/History_of_macOS
2021-05-18 14:36:27	VimDiesel	Title: History of macOS | Apple Wiki | Fandom (at apple.fandom.com)
2021-05-18 14:36:35	mcrane	https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/NeXT
2021-05-18 14:36:36	VimDiesel	Title: NeXT | Apple Wiki | Fandom (at apple.fandom.com)
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2021-05-18 14:49:46	kiwiirc	if \r\n is canonical for internet text, shouldn't unix and everyone switch to that?
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2021-05-18 14:52:37	RhodiumToad	no
2021-05-18 14:53:23	RhodiumToad	because \n is assumed by the C language, requiring nasty "text" vs "binary" mode hacks in stdio on platforms using other newlines
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2021-05-18 14:56:11	kiwiirc	so \r\n can't work on unix like systems because C is so intertwined?
2021-05-18 14:57:14	RhodiumToad	well more because it hasn't historically worked that way
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2021-05-18 15:06:28	meena	many modern c programmes anticipate any and all line ending, because we live in a world where text is freely shared and modified on various platforms
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2021-05-18 15:11:24	CaptainDrewBoy	Hi there! I wish to use headphones on my laptop (running FreeBSD 13 RELEASE). When I plug them in sound still plays through speakers. I tried to fix this a while ago, but it ended up not working so I deleted the changes I made (and I don't really recall what those changes were)
2021-05-18 15:12:11	CaptainDrewBoy	I don't mind if I have to manually switch between the two in the terminal
2021-05-18 15:12:15	CaptainDrewBoy	So long as it works
2021-05-18 15:12:17	GrahamPerrin[m]	CaptainDrewBoy: USB?
2021-05-18 15:12:46	CaptainDrewBoy	The headphones were wired if that is what you mean
2021-05-18 15:13:07	CaptainDrewBoy	let me grab them now
2021-05-18 15:13:27	CaptainDrewBoy	got them
2021-05-18 15:14:04	CaptainDrewBoy	they just plug into the audio jack
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2021-05-18 15:16:48	GrahamPerrin[m]	I have these lines https://bsd.to/ymx5/raw within my /etc/rc.conf from when I last tried to make use of headphones. The "NO" in the first line is where I gave up but I can't recall the reason for giving up. Essentially it's using virtual_oss
2021-05-18 15:16:50	VimDiesel	Title: ymx5 (at bsd.to)
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2021-05-18 15:17:21	GrahamPerrin[m]	https://www.freshports.org/audio/virtual_oss/
2021-05-18 15:17:22	VimDiesel	Title: FreshPorts -- audio/virtual_oss: Virtual OSS multi device mixer application (at www.freshports.org)
2021-05-18 15:17:57	CaptainDrewBoy	Let me try that app...
2021-05-18 15:18:34	GrahamPerrin[m]	It's command line stuff, I'm not aware of an GUI. Of course I'd like one :-)
2021-05-18 15:19:01	CaptainDrewBoy	Personally I have no issues just typing in a quick command to switch between headphones and speakers
2021-05-18 15:19:23	CaptainDrewBoy	I prefer CLI apps anyway if I'm being honest
2021-05-18 15:19:56	CaptainDrewBoy	so I need to load a module in my loader.conf...
2021-05-18 15:20:57	GrahamPerrin[m]	I'm actually looking forward to having a Windows notebook purchased for me. Love FreeBSD but some days I just can't be bothered. FreeBSD can't boot on the computer, which sort of takes the decision away from me :-)
2021-05-18 15:22:30	CaptainDrewBoy	Personally I could never go back to Windows. I've only been using UNIX-based OS's for half a year (several linux distros, now FreeBSD, where I intend to stay) but I already nearly live in the terminal
2021-05-18 15:23:26	CaptainDrewBoy	And when I *AM* using a GUI it's with a tiling wm, and that just puts me in the *can't cope using a normal desktop* mindset now
2021-05-18 15:23:39	CaptainDrewBoy	I can't live without keyboard shortcuts =(
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2021-05-18 15:28:17	CaptainDrewBoy	added cuse to my loader.conf
2021-05-18 15:28:21	CaptainDrewBoy	do I need to reboot?
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2021-05-18 15:29:08	RhodiumToad	loader.conf is only read on reboot, but cuse should be no problem to load on the fly
2021-05-18 15:29:12	RhodiumToad	i.e. kldload cuse
2021-05-18 15:29:36	CaptainDrewBoy	ah yes okay
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2021-05-18 15:29:58	RhodiumToad	most modules like that should be pulled in by whatever needs them, automatically; but if not, adding to kld_list in rc.conf is preferred over using loader.conf
2021-05-18 15:30:10	CaptainDrewBoy	oh okay
2021-05-18 15:30:17	RhodiumToad	loader.conf should be used only for stuff that you need to load to get to critical filesystems
2021-05-18 15:30:35	RhodiumToad	(or for tunables that you can't set later)
2021-05-18 15:30:49	CaptainDrewBoy	So what would the syntax to load cuse in rc.conf be?
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2021-05-18 15:31:14	RhodiumToad	you can run the command   sysrc kld_list+="cuse"   to edit the file automatically
2021-05-18 15:31:36	CaptainDrewBoy	oh awesome
2021-05-18 15:31:57	RhodiumToad	to do it manually, if there's already a kld_list line then add it separated by whitespace, e.g. kld_list="aesni cuse"
2021-05-18 15:32:08	RhodiumToad	if there isn't one, then add  kld_list="cuse"
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2021-05-18 15:32:40	RhodiumToad	variable assignments must appear once only in rc.conf, you can't have multiple lines of the same kind
2021-05-18 15:32:40	CaptainDrewBoy	Added the cuse load to rc.conf
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2021-05-18 15:32:58	CaptainDrewBoy	So I loaded it with kldload so we'll see how virtual_oss treats me
2021-05-18 15:33:57	CaptainDrewBoy	not working...
2021-05-18 15:34:08	CaptainDrewBoy	Still complaining about cuse
2021-05-18 15:34:14	CaptainDrewBoy	I'll reboot and see what happens
2021-05-18 15:34:20	CaptainDrewBoy	I may have done kldload wrong
2021-05-18 15:34:22	CaptainDrewBoy	be back soon
2021-05-18 15:35:08	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: virtual_oss is required only if you use something like sndio and want different pcm/dsp devices for record and output
2021-05-18 15:35:26	mzar	100% irrelevant to cuse
2021-05-18 15:35:32	RhodiumToad	or if you want to use bluetooth
2021-05-18 15:35:38	mzar	yep
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2021-05-18 15:37:21	mzar	for webcam  working multimedia/cuse4bsd-kmod is required and cuse4bsd on kld_list="
2021-05-18 15:37:45	mzar	and the last step: sysrc webcamd_enable="YES"
2021-05-18 15:37:52	RhodiumToad	huh?
2021-05-18 15:37:59	RhodiumToad	I see no port of that name
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2021-05-18 15:38:25	mzar	RhodiumToad: aren't you teleconferencing on FreeBSD  ?
2021-05-18 15:38:30	RhodiumToad	no
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2021-05-18 15:38:53	CaptainDrewBoy	Despite the fact that I have cuse in my kld_load, virtual_oss still gives an error
2021-05-18 15:38:59	RhodiumToad	what error
2021-05-18 15:39:03	CaptainDrewBoy	virtual_oss: Could not connect to cuse module
2021-05-18 15:39:10	RhodiumToad	kld_list, not kld_load
2021-05-18 15:39:25	RhodiumToad	does it show up in kldstat?
2021-05-18 15:39:42	CaptainDrewBoy	My rc.conf has this in kld_list="i915kms cuse"
2021-05-18 15:39:45	RhodiumToad	mzar:  ls: multimedia/cuse*: No such file or directory
2021-05-18 15:40:08	CaptainDrewBoy	kldstat shows a cuse.ko
2021-05-18 15:40:41	RhodiumToad	and /dev/cuse exists?
2021-05-18 15:40:45	mzar	RhodiumToad: you are right it was probably remnant from 11
2021-05-18 15:41:02	mzar	but somehow cuse is loaded and works
2021-05-18 15:41:09	RhodiumToad	mzar: early 11 or 10. cuse is in base system now
2021-05-18 15:41:20	mzar	probably webcamd loaded it
2021-05-18 15:42:10	mzar	yes, I need to do some cleanups in my configs, some on my desktop are probably from 9.0 era
2021-05-18 15:42:15	CaptainDrewBoy	but I think it's empty
2021-05-18 15:42:25	CaptainDrewBoy	A message didn't send
2021-05-18 15:42:34	RhodiumToad	CaptainDrewBoy: you think what's empty? /dev/cuse is a device
2021-05-18 15:42:45	CaptainDrewBoy	ahh
2021-05-18 15:42:49	RhodiumToad	crw-------  1 root  operator  0x3e 18 May 20:40 /dev/cuse
2021-05-18 15:42:53	CaptainDrewBoy	If I try to open it in vim it shows nothing
2021-05-18 15:43:00	CaptainDrewBoy	So I assumed it was an empty file
2021-05-18 15:43:01	mzar	now www/chromium should work fine with Discord and with MS Teams (tested)
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2021-05-18 15:43:22	CaptainDrewBoy	so yes /dev/cuse is there
2021-05-18 15:43:47	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: install and start webcamd
2021-05-18 15:43:48	RhodiumToad	hmm
2021-05-18 15:43:55	RhodiumToad	how did you try and start virtual_oss?
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2021-05-18 15:44:38	CaptainDrewBoy	yes, running the command virtual_oss is what gives me the error I posted earlier
2021-05-18 15:44:54	RhodiumToad	service virtual_oss start
2021-05-18 15:44:58	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: have you configured it ?
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2021-05-18 15:45:14	CaptainDrewBoy	No, I haven't configured anything mzar
2021-05-18 15:45:20	RhodiumToad	(having added the needed config stuff to rc.conf)
2021-05-18 15:45:48	CaptainDrewBoy	what is the needed config stuff
2021-05-18 15:46:02	RhodiumToad	that depends on what you want to do with it
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2021-05-18 15:46:52	CaptainDrewBoy	I want to switch between headphones and speakers
2021-05-18 15:46:57	CaptainDrewBoy	Using a command
2021-05-18 15:47:02	mzar	cool
2021-05-18 15:47:09	mzar	will work out of the box
2021-05-18 15:47:37	mzar	please paste the output from 'cat /dev/sndstat' ?
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2021-05-18 15:48:25	mzar	or have you pasted it above ?
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2021-05-18 15:48:31	CaptainDrewBoy	no
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2021-05-18 15:48:53	mzar	use paste service from the topic of this channel
2021-05-18 15:48:57	CaptainDrewBoy	okay
2021-05-18 15:50:11	CaptainDrewBoy	https://bsd.to/LHVW
2021-05-18 15:50:12	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/LHVW (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 15:50:21	CaptainDrewBoy	this is the same with and without headphones plugged in
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2021-05-18 15:51:06	mzar	virtual_oss_dsp="-T /dev/sndstat -S -i 8 -C 18 -c 18 -r 48000 -b 32 -s 512 -O /dev/dsp1 -R /dev/dsp3 -c 2 -d dsp -c 18 -d vdsp -t vdsp.ctl"
2021-05-18 15:51:20	mzar	add this to /etc/rc.conf and start the service
2021-05-18 15:51:24	CaptainDrewBoy	okay
2021-05-18 15:52:11	mzar	then issue command: "virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -O /dev/dsp0" to switch to speakers
2021-05-18 15:52:32	CaptainDrewBoy	does it matter where it goes in relation to the kld_list that loads cuse?
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2021-05-18 15:52:49	mzar	probably not
2021-05-18 15:52:51	CaptainDrewBoy	I know loader.conf goes top to bottom but I don't recall if rc.conf does
2021-05-18 15:53:06	CaptainDrewBoy	I'll pop it at the bottom anyways
2021-05-18 15:53:42	mzar	then issue command: "virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -R /dev/dsp0" to switch from USB microphone to builtin
2021-05-18 15:54:15	CaptainDrewBoy	I won't be changing my microphone, my headphones don't have one
2021-05-18 15:54:49	mzar	so what is "pcm3: <USB audio> (rec)" from your paste ?
2021-05-18 15:55:02	CaptainDrewBoy	My builtin microphone
2021-05-18 15:55:08	CaptainDrewBoy	But my headphones don't have one
2021-05-18 15:55:22	CaptainDrewBoy	...Am I getting a bit mixed up
2021-05-18 15:55:34	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: you will probably to figure out what is what
2021-05-18 15:56:33	CaptainDrewBoy	service virtual_oss start produces an error still
2021-05-18 15:56:43	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: you may probably be interested in installing multimedia/webcamd, it doesn't require any config, just add webcamd_enable="YES"
2021-05-18 15:56:47	mzar	what error ?
2021-05-18 15:56:55	CaptainDrewBoy	Cannot 'start' virtual_oss. Set virtual_oss_enable to YES in /etead of 'start'.
2021-05-18 16:04:35	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: issue command: virtual_oss_enable="YES"
2021-05-18 16:04:41	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: issue command: sysrc virtual_oss_enable="YES"
2021-05-18 16:04:48	mzar	then start the service
2021-05-18 16:05:58	CaptainDrewBoy	done
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2021-05-18 16:06:02	CaptainDrewBoy	yay
2021-05-18 16:06:07	CaptainDrewBoy	now
2021-05-18 16:06:18	CaptainDrewBoy	time to try switching to headphones
2021-05-18 16:07:04	CaptainDrewBoy	So I've plugged in my headphones
2021-05-18 16:07:16	CaptainDrewBoy	audio comes out of speakers still
2021-05-18 16:07:36	CaptainDrewBoy	...now what?
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2021-05-18 16:08:45	CaptainDrewBoy	So sndstat now has 2 devices from virtualoss
2021-05-18 16:08:51	CaptainDrewBoy	dsp and vdsp
2021-05-18 16:12:44	CaptainDrewBoy	Well I found a couple of blog posts online
2021-05-18 16:12:48	CaptainDrewBoy	Might as well try them
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2021-05-18 16:13:49	meka	CaptainDrewBoy: virtual_oss operates on real hardware, that's why you have two dsp's
2021-05-18 16:14:30	meka	also, virtual_oss won't switch to headphones automatically, you need another virtual_oss_cmd command (similar to what mzar said)
2021-05-18 16:14:41	CaptainDrewBoy	I know I need a command
2021-05-18 16:14:48	CaptainDrewBoy	I just don't know what it IS
2021-05-18 16:14:53	meka	ah
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2021-05-18 16:15:16	meka	let me check
2021-05-18 16:15:59	meka	virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -O /dev/dsp0 (as mzar wrote, just replace /dev/dsp0 with proper device)
2021-05-18 16:16:10	CaptainDrewBoy	And uh
2021-05-18 16:16:14	meka	also, cat /dev/sndstat
2021-05-18 16:16:27	CaptainDrewBoy	I posted the results of that further up
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2021-05-18 16:16:29	CaptainDrewBoy	can repost
2021-05-18 16:16:37	CaptainDrewBoy	https://bsd.to/LHVW
2021-05-18 16:16:38	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/LHVW (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 16:16:45	meka	ah thanx
2021-05-18 16:16:57	CaptainDrewBoy	the output is the same with and without headphones
2021-05-18 16:17:03	CaptainDrewBoy	which is annoying
2021-05-18 16:17:14	CaptainDrewBoy	makes me worry FreeBSD is just not picking them up
2021-05-18 16:17:16	meka	headphones are connected to usb audio?
2021-05-18 16:17:27	meka	I mean, what jack type it is?
2021-05-18 16:17:56	CaptainDrewBoy	audio jack?
2021-05-18 16:18:00	meka	yes
2021-05-18 16:18:09	CaptainDrewBoy	uhh
2021-05-18 16:18:09	mzar	pluging/unplugging jack won't switch anything
2021-05-18 16:18:28	CaptainDrewBoy	golden pointy jack
2021-05-18 16:18:33	CaptainDrewBoy	it sticks out
2021-05-18 16:18:37	meka	ah, ok
2021-05-18 16:18:56	CaptainDrewBoy	I am not really knowledgable on hardware, sorry
2021-05-18 16:19:05	meka	no problem, we'll get there
2021-05-18 16:19:33	meka	ok, so those headphones are not being detected by OS and that's to be expected
2021-05-18 16:20:11	kiwiirc	with zfs and nvme, opinions on running direct i/o instead of buffered?
2021-05-18 16:20:41	CaptainDrewBoy	So the issue isn't switching
2021-05-18 16:20:52	CaptainDrewBoy	It's noticing the headphones in the first place
2021-05-18 16:20:53	CaptainDrewBoy	I see
2021-05-18 16:21:17	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: it's even better, you can switch by hand
2021-05-18 16:21:44	CaptainDrewBoy	okay
2021-05-18 16:22:56	meka	if you execute sysctl hw.snd.verbose=2, then cat /dev/sndstat has more info which means you can see which pcm device has which dsp device
2021-05-18 16:25:00	CaptainDrewBoy	wow that is VERY verbose
2021-05-18 16:25:06	CaptainDrewBoy	let me pop this in bsd.to
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2021-05-18 16:28:07	CaptainDrewBoy	uhh
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2021-05-18 16:28:19	CaptainDrewBoy	The output is too big for me to manually copy and paste...
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2021-05-18 16:28:38	CaptainDrewBoy	xterm doesn't play nice with scrolling and selecting at the same time
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2021-05-18 16:29:01	meena	cool… after a reboot nullfs mount between two jails no longer works
2021-05-18 16:31:27	CaptainDrewBoy	https://bsd.to/1PLC
2021-05-18 16:31:28	CaptainDrewBoy	there
2021-05-18 16:31:28	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/1PLC (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 16:32:02	CaptainDrewBoy	piped it to a file then used opened it and used featherpad's "select all" feature
2021-05-18 16:32:13	CaptainDrewBoy	probably a better way to do it but whatever
2021-05-18 16:32:46	meena	well, to be fair the dataset is jailed in one of the jails…
2021-05-18 16:34:22	meena	do… do i have to share this via NFS?
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2021-05-18 16:39:48	CaptainDrewBoy	meka the verbode cat is just above
2021-05-18 16:39:49	meka	CaptainDrewBoy: I expect /dev/dsp0 are your speakers, /dev/dsp1 headphones, but I can't be more helpful
2021-05-18 16:40:00	CaptainDrewBoy	oh funny timing
2021-05-18 16:40:02	CaptainDrewBoy	okay
2021-05-18 16:40:07	CaptainDrewBoy	that is a huge help
2021-05-18 16:40:09	CaptainDrewBoy	thanks
2021-05-18 16:40:16	CaptainDrewBoy	(no sarcasm intended)
2021-05-18 16:40:16	meka	you're welcome
2021-05-18 16:40:56	CaptainDrewBoy	BOOM
2021-05-18 16:40:59	CaptainDrewBoy	HEADPHONES
2021-05-18 16:41:00	CaptainDrewBoy	WORKING
2021-05-18 16:41:16	CaptainDrewBoy	virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -O /dev/dsp1
2021-05-18 16:41:20	CaptainDrewBoy	is all I needed
2021-05-18 16:41:32	CaptainDrewBoy	so I need to do a command to switch but whatever
2021-05-18 16:41:39	CaptainDrewBoy	I'll create an alias to make it easy
2021-05-18 16:41:44	CaptainDrewBoy	same ffor going back to speakers
2021-05-18 16:42:17	CaptainDrewBoy	virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -O /dev/dsp0
2021-05-18 16:42:21	CaptainDrewBoy	switches back to speakers
2021-05-18 16:42:38	CaptainDrewBoy	I freakin' love the FreeBSD community man
2021-05-18 16:42:43	CaptainDrewBoy	so helpful
2021-05-18 16:42:54	meka	CaptainDrewBoy: you can use rc.conf for default configuration and virtual_oss_cmd for switching
2021-05-18 16:43:34	CaptainDrewBoy	yes I have the commands for switching to and from speakers sussed out now
2021-05-18 16:44:16	meka	CaptainDrewBoy: https://bsd.to/aDQc
2021-05-18 16:44:17	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/aDQc (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 16:44:20	meka	that's my config
2021-05-18 16:44:27	dkeav	nice
2021-05-18 16:44:40	dkeav	also, yoink
2021-05-18 16:45:39	CaptainDrewBoy	unfortunately my headphones don't seemed to be affected by changes to the vol stream in mixer
2021-05-18 16:45:46	CaptainDrewBoy	only my speakers are affected
2021-05-18 16:46:06	meka	virtual_oss_ctl -f /dev/vdsp.ctl
2021-05-18 16:46:12	meka	check it out
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2021-05-18 16:46:28	meka	if you don't have that command, it's in the packages with the same name
2021-05-18 16:46:45	sig_9	someone trying Bluetooth ?
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2021-05-18 16:47:21	CaptainDrewBoy	no they are wired headphones
2021-05-18 16:47:38	CaptainDrewBoy	And it's almost fully sorted (thankfully)
2021-05-18 16:48:01	sig_9	ok cool. about 2 weeks ago I did a ton of bluetooth studying and perfected it here on my machines.
2021-05-18 16:48:24	meka	sig_9: also virtual_oss related?
2021-05-18 16:48:31	CaptainDrewBoy	meka what IS this criss cross of lines?
2021-05-18 16:48:54	CaptainDrewBoy	oh I didn't scroll down
2021-05-18 16:48:59	CaptainDrewBoy	there seems to be volume control
2021-05-18 16:49:07	sig_9	yes
2021-05-18 16:49:18	sig_9	connect first with hccontrol then virtual_oss
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2021-05-18 16:49:39	chriswells0	I'd love to get Bluetooth working...
2021-05-18 16:49:48	sig_9	you got time?
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2021-05-18 16:50:02	CaptainDrewBoy	Even though this laptop has bluetooth I have no bluetooth devices to use on it, ha
2021-05-18 16:50:02	chriswells0	Yeah, let's do it.
2021-05-18 16:50:10	sig_9	ok
2021-05-18 16:50:13	sig_9	 /msg me
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2021-05-18 16:50:45	meka	sig_9: I think it would be really nice if you  could write it down somewhere (I for start would like it to be in the handbook)
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2021-05-18 16:51:13	CaptainDrewBoy	Is there a way to increase the volume with a command instead of opening the gui?
2021-05-18 16:51:28	meka	CaptainDrewBoy: I don't know
2021-05-18 16:52:10	debdrup	CaptainDrewBoy: can I ask you to use your enter button more sparingly? When you write in that style of stream-of-conciousness (from about an hour and ten minutes ago), it becomes difficult to follow even just one thing, let alone if there are multiple conversations going on.
2021-05-18 16:53:34	CaptainDrewBoy	Sorry, I shall try to be a bit more considerate... please accept my most sincere apologies
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2021-05-18 16:53:45	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: use mixer command
2021-05-18 16:54:01	mzar	mixer(8)
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2021-05-18 16:56:41	CaptainDrewBoy	That's the thing - these headphones are not affected by any streams of mixer (I assume this is a virtual_oss thing).
2021-05-18 17:00:19	CaptainDrewBoy	I also can't use virtual_oss commands as the default command (yet not the service) complains about cuse still. It truly is bizzare. Anyhow, I can just stick to using the GUI for changing my headphones volume for now - at least they work!
2021-05-18 17:00:41	mzar	CaptainDrewBoy: try: mixer -f /dev/mixer{0,1,2,3} vol|rec 0..100
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2021-05-18 17:04:03	CaptainDrewBoy	https://bsd.to/wjGj
2021-05-18 17:04:04	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/wjGj (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 17:04:44	mzar	hm... one by one, and it's not rec but mic
2021-05-18 17:05:27	mzar	for example mixer -f /dev/mixer1 vol 100 or mixer -f /dev/mixer3 mic 89
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2021-05-18 17:09:01	CaptainDrewBoy	It seems to be mixer1 - now I can just bind a keyboard shortcut to change the mixer1 stream! Thank you so much
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2021-05-18 17:09:31	mzar	nice, so the issue solved ?
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2021-05-18 17:10:16	CaptainDrewBoy	Yes - my headphones work and I can set up shortcuts and aliases to make using them easier. You've all been an amazing help!
2021-05-18 17:10:37	mzar	cool, thanks for the feedback
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2021-05-18 17:25:00	debdrup	Oh neat, crm got their libmixer(3) project accepted as a GSoC. That's 2 projects I've had a hand in making happen.
2021-05-18 17:25:13	debdrup	A small hand, mind you.
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2021-05-18 17:26:12	CaptainDrewBoy	Well done! In FOSS software, it's good to contribute, even if it's small.
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2021-05-18 17:27:33	meka	debdrup: can I read more about libmixer idea (I'm kinda guessing what it is based on name :o)?
2021-05-18 17:27:54	kiwiirc	debdrup making you the goto guy for hand jobs?
2021-05-18 17:28:30	debdrup	kiwiirc: HA!
2021-05-18 17:28:47	debdrup	Well, you're gonna have to at least take me out to dinner and treat me nicely first. :P
2021-05-18 17:28:57	debdrup	Even I have standards.
2021-05-18 17:29:36	meka	debdrup: is this it https://git.christosmarg.xyz/libmixer/files.html ?
2021-05-18 17:29:38	VimDiesel	Title: Files - libmixer - Experimental sound mixer library for FreeBSD (at git.christosmarg.xyz)
2021-05-18 17:30:06	debdrup	meka: libmixer(3) is moving everything in mixer(8) into a library that mixer(8) is just using as a front-end, so third-party tools can utilize all the features of the FreeBSD mixer without having to do it through the commandline.
2021-05-18 17:30:10	debdrup	Yep, that's it.
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2021-05-18 17:30:38	meka	I am so glad so many devs work on audio. Eternaly grateful!
2021-05-18 17:30:40	debdrup	It's basically the equivalent of libifconfig or libbe.
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2021-05-18 17:31:23	debdrup	meka: there's been a lot of people working on audio over the years, it's good to have people working on it again.
2021-05-18 17:31:27	meka	I started developing a DAW in the similar maner: lib for engine, app for gui/tui
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2021-05-18 17:31:48	meka	debdrup: I know, those oss device drivers didn't write them selves :o)
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2021-05-18 17:32:35	debdrup	Luici Rizzo is still somewhat involved with FreeBSD, I think. Cameron Grant passed away (RIP), Ariff Abdullah is MIA. So it's good that there are people picking up the mantle.
2021-05-18 17:32:40	meka	What I'm trying to say is that I'm really glad how nice audio on freebsd is becoming
2021-05-18 17:33:40	mzar	but it works excellent except some new HW
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2021-05-18 17:34:11	debdrup	There's hardly any new audio hardware being made, so that's not really much of a problem. :P
2021-05-18 17:34:43	debdrup	Most of what's being made works over snd_uaudio(4)
2021-05-18 17:35:00	meka	mzar: I can not agree more, as reason I switched from linux is because audio worked better (for home recording studio, that is)
2021-05-18 17:35:50	mzar	meka: interesting story, do you find virtual_oss_ctl usueful ?
2021-05-18 17:36:06	meka	mzar: oh yeah!
2021-05-18 17:36:30	meka	especially for monitoring, as few versions back, virtual_oss didn't have compressor
2021-05-18 17:36:47	meka	I contributed some compressor code, but then hans wrote it properly
2021-05-18 17:37:01	meka	so now monitoring levels is really helpful
2021-05-18 17:37:38	debdrup	meka: how'd you like to write something for the handbook about that? I can help get it commited. ;)
2021-05-18 17:37:54	mzar	I am not fully familiar with this yet
2021-05-18 17:38:12	meka	debdrup: to be honest, when I presented audio @ fosdem, somebody aproached and sugested that, so shame on me for not doing it sooner :o)
2021-05-18 17:38:47	meka	but, I sent a review to fix some developer side documentation (I had to play with oss a lot in order to be sure about what I write)
2021-05-18 17:39:05	meka	debdrup: sorry for long anser, but yes, I would love to do that
2021-05-18 17:39:13	debdrup	meka: the documentation then was docbook sgml, now it's asciidoctor ;)
2021-05-18 17:39:25	debdrup	it's _considerably_ easier, basically plaintext with a bit of light formatting.
2021-05-18 17:39:47	meka	debdrup: I know and I know there's some helper for that (something online)
2021-05-18 17:40:03	meka	I haven't looked closely, I just skimmed through mailing list emails
2021-05-18 17:40:29	debdrup	There are probably WYSIWYG editors for asciidoctor, yeah.
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2021-05-18 17:42:05	meka	debdrup: I suppose I should start with https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/fdp-primer/doc-build/ ?
2021-05-18 17:42:06	VimDiesel	Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 5. The FreeBSD Documentation Build Process (at docs.freebsd.org)
2021-05-18 17:43:03	debdrup	meka: the FDP in general is a good place to start, as well as #bsddocs on EFnet for questions.
2021-05-18 17:44:55	meka	debdrup: good to know, thanx!
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2021-05-18 17:49:21	ceri	meka: we will also take plain text and mark it up for you
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2021-05-18 17:51:16	meka	ceri: the leas I can do is mark it up, but I really apreciate the offer!
2021-05-18 17:51:24	meka	s/leas/least/
2021-05-18 17:51:53	debdrup	In general, I think I'd prefer to say that we'll help you with doing the markup, rather than actively doing it for people.
2021-05-18 17:52:00	meka	debdrup: my znc connecting to efnet is quirky: https://bsd.to/O840
2021-05-18 17:52:01	VimDiesel	Title: dpaste/O840 (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 17:52:12	debdrup	meka: *shrug*
2021-05-18 17:52:19	debdrup	irssi works fine for me.
2021-05-18 17:52:40	kiwiirc	im trying weechat
2021-05-18 17:53:22	meka	I'm trying port 7000 with ssl, but I guess all is public anyway :o)
2021-05-18 17:53:44	ceri	yeah, but I'll happily take good content and mark it up over no content.  personally :D
2021-05-18 17:54:14	ceri	meka: but you doing it sounds better ;-p
2021-05-18 17:54:29	meka	ceri: I know what you mean :o)
2021-05-18 17:54:37	debdrup	kiwiirc: it's not a competition to have the best client.
2021-05-18 17:55:06	debdrup	ceri: so when you say we, you mean you. :)
2021-05-18 17:55:35	meka	debdrup, ceri I'll probably have to leave it for the weekend as I'm late @ work, but I'll ping you when I have something
2021-05-18 17:56:07	ceri	debdrup: :D
2021-05-18 17:56:08	debdrup	meka: no need to ping me, just leave it in the channel and I'll most probably see it.
2021-05-18 17:56:16	kiwiirc	ya i know. https://github.com/shabble/irssi-docs/wiki/Roadmap https://weechat.org/dev/roadmap/
2021-05-18 17:56:18	VimDiesel	Title: WeeChat :: development :: roadmap (at weechat.org)
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2021-05-18 17:56:25	kiwiirc	obviously no competition
2021-05-18 17:56:27	meka	debdrup: ok, cool
2021-05-18 17:56:30	debdrup	kiwiirc: nobody cares.
2021-05-18 17:56:40	kiwiirc	debdrup k sorry just sharing info
2021-05-18 17:56:55	debdrup	It's not at all relevant.
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2021-05-18 18:08:26	kiwiirc	can fgrep be used to search files for '\r\n'?
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2021-05-18 19:31:49	kiwiirc	can `find * -type f -exec bash -c 'tail -c1 -- "$0" | wc -l' {} \;` be changed to only output the file path for files where wc -l is 0? im basically trying to find any files that don't have a newline
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2021-05-18 20:14:31	dvl	at https://www.freshports.org/x11/kde5/#packages if you hover over one of the cells in the packages table, you get a popup. I want that to be in monospace font. Any ideas how to structure that css please?
2021-05-18 20:14:32	VimDiesel	Title: FreshPorts -- x11/kde5: KDE Plasma Desktop and Applications (current) (at www.freshports.org)
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2021-05-18 20:20:53	dvl	I mean the popup from the title attribute.
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2021-05-18 20:27:08	dvl	Oh... Just told: "you cannot style that with CSS — that is set by your browser/OS combination"
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2021-05-18 20:34:10	chriswells0	I have a Bluetooth device (2, actually) that appears to connect (shows up in read_connection_list), but it doesn't exit pairing mode and I can't get sound out of it. Any advice for what to try?
2021-05-18 20:34:48	chriswells0	This is the command I'm running: sudo hccontrol -n ubt0hci create_connection 1c:52:16:64:4b:e4 && sudo virtual_oss
2021-05-18 20:34:49	chriswells0	-C 2 -c 2 -r 48000 -b 16 -s 768 -R /dev/null -P /dev/bluetooth/1c:52:16:64:4b:e4 -d dsp
2021-05-18 20:35:33	chriswells0	That's one line, of course. Copy/paste error.
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2021-05-18 21:28:08	parv	dvl: re cannot style popup via CSS: Poppycock! See for example: https://www.webfx.com/blog/images/assets/downloads.sixrevisions.com/css-tooltips/index.html   -- I am going to try in Stylus, a Firefox extension ...
2021-05-18 21:28:09	VimDiesel	Title: ToolTips Example (at www.webfx.com)
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2021-05-18 21:34:13	parv	dvl: Oh never mind; that was incorrect. The webfx URL sets actual CSS class & :hover action; does not modify the browser generated ones.
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2021-05-18 21:52:39	parv	dvl: If you are using Firefox, see if the Javascript method mentioned helps any: https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/dwpykf/problems_with_styling_tooltips/?sort=old
2021-05-18 21:52:40	VimDiesel	Title: Problems with styling tooltips : FirefoxCSS (at www.reddit.com)
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2021-05-19 01:35:27	Gud	Good morning all
2021-05-19 01:35:56	Gud	Does anyone know if there exists a simple feature/bug tracker in ports for the cli, for solo projects
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2021-05-19 01:40:14	moon-child	afaik fossil has a bug tracker
2021-05-19 01:40:32	moon-child	it depends on what your needs are; for a solo project, a simple text file ought to work well enough
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2021-05-19 01:56:19	epony	Gud, something like taskworrior can be used too
2021-05-19 01:56:55	epony	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taskwarrior
2021-05-19 01:56:56	VimDiesel	Title: Taskwarrior - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2021-05-19 01:58:04	epony	this is part of Emacs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Functionality
2021-05-19 01:58:05	VimDiesel	Title: Org-mode - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-05-19 01:59:38	lts-	Thanks for taskwarrior tip. I've used a todo.txt for years but that looks like it could remove some pain
2021-05-19 02:05:18	koobs	tw is pretty cool
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2021-05-19 02:13:07	ghoti	Hiya. I have a kvm vps at a provider who agreed to attach a FreeBSD ISO for me. I've done my install, but I don't have a way to detach the ISO from their control panel. What do I do in the boot loader to boot the HD instead of the CD? And can I store that setting so I can leave the ISO around for emergency use?
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2021-05-19 02:14:16	koobs	ghoti: does vps provider provide console to set boot order?
2021-05-19 02:14:58	ghoti	koobs: alas, no. That would make things easy. :)
2021-05-19 02:15:14	koobs	ah :)
2021-05-19 02:15:42	koobs	https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/boot/
2021-05-19 02:15:44	VimDiesel	Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 13. The FreeBSD Booting Process (at docs.freebsd.org)
2021-05-19 02:15:46	koobs	13.2.1. The Boot Manager
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2021-05-19 02:16:01	koobs	Refers to boot0cfg(8)
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2021-05-19 02:17:53	koobs	see also: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?boot(8)
2021-05-19 02:17:54	VimDiesel	Title: FreeBSD Manual Pages (at www.freebsd.org)
2021-05-19 02:18:03	ghoti	koobs: if the vps is booting from the cd first, then I would think that I am out of luck with boot0 configuration. When the CD boots, I have the option to drop into the loader, where I can see that I have 'cd' and 'disk0p1' and friends.
2021-05-19 02:18:44	koobs	thats probably the case
2021-05-19 02:19:27	ghoti	So I *think* what I am asking for is help to tell loader to drop the kernel it has in mind to load, and load disk0p1:/boot/kernel instead.
2021-05-19 02:20:18	koobs	mm that sounds like its the case
2021-05-19 02:21:15	koobs	i think thats going to be boot.config
2021-05-19 02:21:18	koobs	Use the /boot.config file to set the default configuration options for
2021-05-19 02:21:20	koobs	     the boot block code.
2021-05-19 02:21:34	koobs	https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=boot.config
2021-05-19 02:21:35	VimDiesel	Title: boot.config (at www.freebsd.org)
2021-05-19 02:21:44	koobs	make it boot off whatever device you want
2021-05-19 02:21:58	koobs	no?
2021-05-19 02:24:24	koobs	brb
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2021-05-19 02:30:49	Gud	epony: that looks great, exactly what I'm looking for
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2021-05-19 02:48:36	epony	nice
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2021-05-19 03:57:37	y2k	:x
2021-05-19 03:57:40	weust	ok, we get it...
2021-05-19 03:57:40	wilbury	:-D
2021-05-19 03:57:46	y2k	hehehe
2021-05-19 03:58:09	y2k	can you make sure he got it?
2021-05-19 03:58:13	@koobs	no, cs is lagging
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2021-05-19 04:06:35	ghoti	koobs: hello again. :) So .. getting to the point that I can change boot.config is still an issue. From the loader, `show` tells me that 'currdev=cd0:', but if I `set currdev=disk0p1:', then `ls` returns "open '/' failed: no such file or directory".
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2021-05-19 04:06:59	@koobs	uh.
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2021-05-19 04:36:57	michalz	hello. I have a question about sound. I have to make videoconferencing in work regulary. The problem is that mic (usb card) is too quiet. Is it possible to use virtual-oss to make mic louder?
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2021-05-19 04:40:35	weust	isn't that more a gain thing?
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2021-05-19 04:48:36	y2k	michalz: i use a (usb card) Focusrite Scarlett Solo + DSBMixer for vol control and all works perfect. But like weust says. looks more like gain issue. Check your config and use a mixer for vol control to check if all is ok.
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2021-05-19 04:49:32	weust	iirc the default gain value is rather low. but I've also read about USB mic that it needs almost max gain. been a while, but I ran into that issue too.
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2021-05-19 04:49:45	weust	New work laptop arriving today so giving it another go today or tomorrow.
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2021-05-19 04:53:21	y2k	weust: Yes, i run with the same problem at the first time with Focusrite card. So the Mixer help me out to check the vol on that mic. Because was very low, i guess is set like that on default config
2021-05-19 04:53:51	weust	y2k: yeah, it is
2021-05-19 04:55:07	y2k	Now all work perfect with the Scarlett Solo card.
2021-05-19 04:55:48	weust	I only have a USB mic....
2021-05-19 04:57:27	y2k	i don't like USB mic. if i can get one with out sound card is going to be a mini jack mic
2021-05-19 04:58:05	y2k	but this is just me! :)
2021-05-19 04:59:01	weust	the one I have works great under Windows, and a coworker uses the same model with Linux. it's just FreeBSD that's a but of a pain.
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2021-05-19 05:06:34	weust	also, my Audio-GD has no Mic input
2021-05-19 05:06:51	y2k	I never try a USB Mic, so don't know much about it. But i run Micro Tie with mini jack (integrated pc sound card) and with the Scarlett Solo i got a T.Bone SC 400 run with XLR-3 Canon, and the issue in the 2 configs was the low vol set on config, so the mixer help me out to check that and all fix.
2021-05-19 05:07:12	weust	aha
2021-05-19 05:07:44	weust	I also need to keep in mind that my work laptop is just that. a work laptop. I don't carry my DAC/Headphone amp with me all the time. It weighs 8.5 Kilo...
2021-05-19 05:08:00	y2k	true :D
2021-05-19 05:08:30	weust	Even my Burson Autio Playmate isn't easy to carry around. So nice for working from home, but that is it.
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2021-05-19 05:15:29	BraveheartBSD	I'm just using old school, lol. Line out to pre-amp, 31 band stereo equalizer into a 400 watt per channel power amp.
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2021-05-19 05:20:21	weust	equalizer even :P
2021-05-19 05:21:55	BraveheartBSD	I know, I like the 'warm' sound of older analogue stuff.
2021-05-19 05:22:59	weust	That is why I have teh Audio-GD R28. R@R Ladder DAC
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2021-05-19 05:26:30	BraveheartBSD	Tascam pre amp, Yamaha EQ, Roland amp. Jamo speakers cost more than everything.
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2021-05-19 05:53:19	y2k	=_=
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2021-05-19 06:00:34	@debdrup	argh
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2021-05-19 08:17:16	CosmicDJ	https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt that doesn't sound good regarding freenode...
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2021-05-19 09:16:43	Schamschula	A couple of days later, the puzzle of why my server wanted to install samba412 is solved: a new build dependency for libsoup. Fortunately, I can turn it off.
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2021-05-19 09:21:00	zykotick9	Schamschula: I'm currently trying to figure out why samba412 is not building in poudriere for me.  Seems I have 4 other packages (in addition to libsoup) that rely on samba.
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2021-05-19 09:25:08	mzar	good bye debdrup
2021-05-19 09:25:15	mzar	good bye FreeNode
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2021-05-19 09:26:49	FUZxxl	see ya
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2021-05-19 09:40:50	dvl	What is this 'freenode irc network situation'?
2021-05-19 09:41:02	FUZxxl	drama
2021-05-19 09:41:13	FUZxxl	some dude conned the freenode people into handing over the domain name
2021-05-19 09:41:27	FUZxxl	and now tries to unilaterally dictate policy, claiming to be the "freenode board"
2021-05-19 09:41:33	FUZxxl	people are having none of it
2021-05-19 09:41:40	href	https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 this resignation letter has some background
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2021-05-19 09:52:52	mvanbaak	FUZxxl: nobody 'conned'. This is the guy who bought freenode some time ago
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2021-05-19 09:54:03	FUZxxl	mvanbaak: he "conned" freenode in that it was not meant to be a purchase of the network proper
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2021-05-19 09:55:05	mvanbaak	yeah, well, him being the same guy as PIA should have made it clear that this was going to happen one day
2021-05-19 09:55:28	mvanbaak	PIA being Private Internet Access
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2021-05-19 09:55:54	epony	Why was it sold out?
2021-05-19 09:56:45	FUZxxl	idiots
2021-05-19 09:57:32	kfv	And if many staff are resigning, perhaps we should move as well (to have their back as they had for long) - dunno where though since it seems admins haven't yet come to a decision, it might be libera? OFTC? ...
2021-05-19 09:57:49	kfv	epony: money?
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2021-05-19 09:58:07	kfv	or maybe, more money.
2021-05-19 09:58:12	href	it's also not PIA
2021-05-19 09:58:16	href	Lee sold PIA a year or so ago
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2021-05-19 09:58:24	FUZxxl	kfv: how about hackint?
2021-05-19 09:58:27	AndrewBC	if you want swedish "formal governance" of mostly the same staff, libera is for you. OFTC is nice.
2021-05-19 09:58:31	lts	It seems to be Libera. The exodus is having momentum already
2021-05-19 09:58:35	AndrewBC	http://kline.sh/
2021-05-19 09:58:36	VimDiesel	Title: freenode now belongs to Andrew Lee, and I'm leaving for a new network. (at kline.sh)
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2021-05-19 09:59:08	AndrewBC	What'd they think they were selling exactly?
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2021-05-19 10:00:35	kfv	FUZxxl: I haven't ever been in hackint, so have no idea. I would like OFTC, but as I'm seeing a lot moving to libera, I just created an account and have joined the #freebsd and #c channel to see if anything happens.
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2021-05-19 10:03:27	FUZxxl	ok
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2021-05-19 10:21:15	triaxx	echo "bin" | LANG=en_US awk '$1 ~ /^[\t -~]/ {print $0}'prints bin but echo "bin" | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 awk '$1 ~ /^[\t -~]/ {print $0}' does not
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2021-05-19 10:21:33	triaxx	Is it a bug? Or a wanted behavior?
2021-05-19 10:22:20	triaxx	[:alpha:] is not matched in ' -~' by awk with utf-8 locales
2021-05-19 10:26:30	pstef_	C.UTF-8 seems ok
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2021-05-19 10:34:29	triaxx	pstef_: Interesting. For instance, en_US.UTF-8, de_DE.UTF-8 and fr_FR.UTF-8 do not work
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2021-05-19 10:58:37	@debdrup	Why highlight me.
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2021-05-19 11:00:43	kfv	Who? mzar? maybe he did so as a sign of respect?
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2021-05-19 11:19:26	deko	did the freebsd list server change its sender address today? used to be owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org, now it seems to be freebsd-current+bounces-...
2021-05-19 11:19:52	kiwiirc	freenode got taken over lol
2021-05-19 11:20:05	kiwiirc	so awesome that an irc network that didn't let channels get taken, got taken
2021-05-19 11:20:19	kiwiirc	hopefully it never recovers and everyone goes back to efnet
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2021-05-19 11:39:14	Cyberpower678	Just want to know, is this channel planning on moving over to libera.chat, given the Freenode hostile takeover happening now?
2021-05-19 11:39:14	@debdrup	deko: the list infrastructure moved from mailman2 to mlmmj (because mailman3 isn't an alternative).
2021-05-19 11:39:47	@debdrup	Cyberpower678: if indeed freenode implodes, we're ready for that contingency.
2021-05-19 11:40:06	Cyberpower678	debdrup: what is the contingency, so I know to go there if it happens?
2021-05-19 11:40:07	Cyberpower678	:-)
2021-05-19 11:41:39	@debdrup	Cyberpower678: #freebsd on libera.chat is registered to a freebsd project member, and the entire #freebsd namespace is reserved in services.
2021-05-19 11:42:27	Cyberpower678	Sweet.  Good to know
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2021-05-19 11:50:02	jeffpc	debdrup: ooh! I don't see any obvious docs on mlmmj's website about migrating from mailman; do you have any pointers?
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2021-05-19 11:52:04	@debdrup	jeffpc: it wasn't me that did the migration, so no :)
2021-05-19 11:52:18	 *	debdrup is not a part of postmaster@
2021-05-19 11:52:42	jeffpc	fair enough :)
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2021-05-19 11:58:24	ghoti	Is boot0 available if I boot from the ISO?
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2021-05-19 11:59:17	@debdrup	boot0 as in the ~520 byte assembly code?
2021-05-19 11:59:20	FUZxxl	ghoti: what do you mean by "available"
2021-05-19 11:59:26	FUZxxl	it's there in /boot if you need it
2021-05-19 12:00:03	ghoti	I've got a kvm vps booting the ISO, and I can get to loader, but I don't know how to boot the hard drive from there. I know how to do it from boot0 or boot2. The better question is "how to I change boot devices from the loader" I guess.
2021-05-19 12:00:24	FUZxxl	ghoti: do you just get a command prompt?
2021-05-19 12:00:31	ghoti	"OK "
2021-05-19 12:00:37	FUZxxl	ah yes
2021-05-19 12:00:41	FUZxxl	that's a forth prompt
2021-05-19 12:00:49	FUZxxl	it works the same as in the TUI boot loader
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2021-05-19 12:01:17	@debdrup	FreeBSD ISO files are cd9660 filesystems with a hybrid of joilet and regular IA32 boot block
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2021-05-19 12:01:27	ghoti	I see that I can `lszfs` my dataset from there, but if I `set currdev=disk0p1` I am unable to see any files.
2021-05-19 12:01:38	@debdrup	FUZxxl: it's probably the Lua loader ;)
2021-05-19 12:01:50	FUZxxl	debdrup: does that have an OK prompt, too?
2021-05-19 12:01:56	FUZxxl	surprising
2021-05-19 12:01:58	ghoti	FreeBSD becomes a minetest addon... ;)
2021-05-19 12:02:01	@debdrup	FUZxxl: it's made to be bug-for-bug compatible
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2021-05-19 12:03:08	ghoti	If I have completed an install, should it be possible to change my boot device from the loader prompt so I can bring the system up multiuser, even if my startup procedure is manual for now?
2021-05-19 12:03:43	ghoti	I'm using 13.0, fwiw.
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2021-05-19 12:04:08	FUZxxl	it should be possible
2021-05-19 12:04:23	ghoti	Okay, I will continue barking up this tree then. :)
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2021-05-19 12:13:48	@AllanJude	ghoti: yes, currdev has to end in a :
2021-05-19 12:13:51	@AllanJude	to be valid
2021-05-19 12:14:07	@AllanJude	and for zfs, would be: currdev=zfs:pool/dataset:
2021-05-19 12:14:14	@AllanJude	not a partition
2021-05-19 12:14:38	@AllanJude	make sure the zfs kernel module is loaded too, else you'll get stuck at the mountroot prompt, with no zfs driver
2021-05-19 12:16:24	Ltning	Not strictly FreeBSD, but .. Is a wildcard (*.domain.com) in a DNS answer valid? So if I ask for foo.domain.com, and the response says *.domain.com A 1.2.3.4, is that a valid response?
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2021-05-19 12:17:04	href	I... don't think so.
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2021-05-19 12:19:06	ghoti	AllanJude: THAT WORKED! Thank you so much.
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2021-05-19 12:20:00	ghoti	At least, it got me to a "mountroot>" prompt. More reading to do now. :)
2021-05-19 12:20:14	@AllanJude	Ltning: not that I can see
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2021-05-19 12:20:46	ceri	Ltning: I think it's valid in a zone file, yes. In a response, I am not so sure.
2021-05-19 12:20:47	@AllanJude	examples: *.videocdn.scaleengine.net in bind results in: foobar.videocdn.scaleengine.net.   299     IN      CNAME   fmt1-04.videocdn.scaleengine.net.
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2021-05-19 12:21:06	@AllanJude	and w/ Amazon Route53 or whatever: foobar.geekshed.net.    299     IN      A       50.56.86.206
2021-05-19 12:21:11	ceri	Ltning: RFC 4592 has more detail than I care to read if you want to go looking
2021-05-19 12:21:18	Ltning	What I'm asking is if it's "correct" that unbound will ignore a response that has '*.domain.com' in the question-section
2021-05-19 12:21:21	@AllanJude	so, the answer looks to usually be to the question you asked
2021-05-19 12:21:30	@AllanJude	although, ic an see why having * might allow you to cache the wildcard...
2021-05-19 12:21:35	@AllanJude	but, that seems dangerous
2021-05-19 12:21:43	@AllanJude	since it could mask things that the wildcard doesn't apply to
2021-05-19 12:21:58	@AllanJude	in the question section...
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2021-05-19 12:22:32	@AllanJude	if you literally 'drill \*.videocdn.scaleengine.net', you do get that in the answer
2021-05-19 12:22:32	@AllanJude	;; ANSWER SECTION:
2021-05-19 12:22:33	@AllanJude	*.videocdn.scaleengine.net.     299     IN      CNAME   fmt1-04.videocdn.scaleengine.net.
2021-05-19 12:22:49	Ltning	"host foo.callback.3dsecure.io" gives me no answers, but if I append 8.8.8.8 there I do get an answer
2021-05-19 12:23:19	Ltning	But if I wait a bit and try again, it starts giving responses with foo.callback.3dsecure.io in the 'question' section rather than *.callback...
2021-05-19 12:25:23	ceri	i don't know what unbound does.  bind is fine with it
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2021-05-19 12:38:37	ghoti	AllanJude: I'm up and running now, thanks to you. If I wanted to have a rescue process for a kvm vps that I have console access to, should I perhaps cut my own modified ISO with a vfs.root.mountfrom pointing to my hard disk?
2021-05-19 12:38:41	ghoti	That would use the CD as my boot loader, with manual intervention to get the livecd.
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2021-05-19 13:01:46	@AllanJude	that is one option I guess, but, you can always just press 3 at the boot menu, and type 'set vfs.root.mountfrom='
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2021-05-19 13:01:57	@AllanJude	but generally, vfs.root.mountfrom defaults to whatever currdev was in the loader
2021-05-19 13:02:05	@AllanJude	so inless you have some bogus line in /boot/loader.conf
2021-05-19 13:02:09	@AllanJude	it shouldn't need setting
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2021-05-19 13:58:06	echoSMILE	kiwiirc: so awesome that an irc network that didn't let channels get taken, got taken
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2021-05-19 13:58:34	echoSMILE	^
2021-05-19 13:58:47	styledash	rip the freenode dream
2021-05-19 13:58:58	styledash	this would have never happened if stallman was still alive 😏
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2021-05-19 14:01:31	@daemon	the staff will soon sort that out, while freenode remains there is a log of who owns what :)
2021-05-19 14:02:01	@daemon	in a week or two it will be simply like the domainname changed
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2021-05-19 14:04:24	ish	Not really a FreeBSD question, but I bet some people here have thoughts on this.. We're upgrading our system to we use to generate release tarballs of a project (Linux).  Just by updating autoconf/automake, we appear to be generating Makefiles that no longer build on FreeBSD without gmake.. Is it a known thing for autotools to introduce gmake'isms, even when we're carefully to manually not introduce them?
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2021-05-19 16:42:09	fireglow	ash13: nice :)
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2021-05-19 17:11:04	sig_9	are the 64bit freebsd iso's "multi-catalog" disk images?
2021-05-19 17:13:58	ash13	@fireglow, You may do it too :) `calendar -f calendar.all | grep -i unix`
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2021-05-19 17:14:51	ash13	@fireglow, May 19  UNIX is 10000 days old, 1997
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2021-05-19 17:15:04	fireglow	that's nice, thanks :) woo
2021-05-19 17:15:34	@debdrup	ash13: for what it's worth, the @nick syntax isn't a thing on irc - tab completion can usually be accomplished by typing part of a nick then pressing tab, and your client should complete the nick and attach a : or a , to it.
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2021-05-19 17:16:09	@debdrup	on irc, at denotes operator access while octothorpes denote channels
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2021-05-19 17:17:38	ash13	debdrup, Ouch... I'm sorry, my twitter habit...
2021-05-19 17:18:15	@debdrup	ash13: no worries, just thought I'd mention it.
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2021-05-19 17:49:04	YWH_1	Free node has been taken over by a Donald Trump Supporter see slashdot.org
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2021-05-19 17:50:27	xtao	interesting take on it :)
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2021-05-19 17:51:37	sig_9	and
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2021-05-19 17:53:28	iulian115c	:)
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2021-05-19 17:55:01	ek	Haha.
2021-05-19 17:55:35	ek	sig_9: Many people are jumping ship to Libera.
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2021-05-19 17:56:22	ek	(not specifically because he's a Trump supporter)
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2021-05-19 17:58:23	 *	ghoti tunes in to the currently freenode schmozzle thanks to the /topic
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2021-05-19 17:58:39	 *	mvanbaak hands ghoti the popcorn
2021-05-19 17:59:44	ek	ghoti: Ditto
2021-05-19 17:59:56	_xor	What's this?
2021-05-19 17:59:58	 *	_xor googles
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2021-05-19 18:01:08	ek	Essentially, FreeNode has been taken over in a hostile manner.
2021-05-19 18:01:35	_xor	Yeah, wiki has a section for it. Reading it now.
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2021-05-19 18:01:38	ek	According to Fuchs' info, anyway.
2021-05-19 18:02:10	drakonis	well...
2021-05-19 18:02:29	ghoti	There are quite a few posts in quite a few places, it seems. The boingboing article gives some background.
2021-05-19 18:02:29	@debdrup	Hasn't happened yet.
2021-05-19 18:02:30	drakonis	not just fuchs
2021-05-19 18:02:41	drakonis	there's a lot of posts by opers
2021-05-19 18:02:42	@debdrup	Staff has resigned, the hostile takeover hasn't.
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2021-05-19 18:04:44	ghoti	.. This has been a long time in the works, hasn't it? I mean, even I read somewhere that Cristel had sold her part of Freenode to Andrew Lee years ago..
2021-05-19 18:05:47	_xor	If the network does get switched, I'm assuming someone will promptly update freebsd.org to list the new info?
2021-05-19 18:06:28	CrtxReavr	A sizable #freebsd channel already exists on libera.
2021-05-19 18:07:01	RypPn	something wrong with efnet?
2021-05-19 18:07:21	mvanbaak	for some of 'my' channels/companies I did add libera to our matterbridge setup to link libera and freenode
2021-05-19 18:07:24	ghoti	A split home is like having two default routes. If libera is safe from drama, might it not be best simply to make that official, given the unknowns associated with FN?
2021-05-19 18:07:25	mvanbaak	works like a charm
2021-05-19 18:07:32	mvanbaak	tip for freebsd ?
2021-05-19 18:08:15	@debdrup	_xor: it's on my TODO list, yes.
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2021-05-19 18:08:45	@debdrup	ghoti: apparently the details of the deal weren't public or known to the staff, so who knows.
2021-05-19 18:09:24	@debdrup	RypPn: some people don't like it, apparently. *shrug*
2021-05-19 18:09:47	@debdrup	ghoti: no network is safe from drama, as every network includes humans.
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2021-05-19 18:10:51	mvanbaak	we should switch to skynet
2021-05-19 18:10:55	ek	drakonis: No, no. Not just Fuchs. I was just referring to his info.
2021-05-19 18:11:06	drakonis	ah right.
2021-05-19 18:11:20	_xor	I got dibs on /nick jconner
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2021-05-19 18:14:39	RhodiumToad	efnet seems to lack the reliability
2021-05-19 18:14:46	FUZxxl	I'm a fan of hackint
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2021-05-19 18:15:17	@debdrup	RhodiumToad: no network has reliability, though.
2021-05-19 18:15:42	ek	^^ This
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2021-05-19 18:16:46	echoSMILE	RhodiumToad: https://delta.chat
2021-05-19 18:16:48	VimDiesel	Title: The e-mail messenger - Delta Chat (at delta.chat)
2021-05-19 18:17:05	echoSMILE	not group chat tho.
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2021-05-19 18:17:30	@debdrup	..so why bring it up?
2021-05-19 18:17:41	mvanbaak	telegram groups
2021-05-19 18:17:42	RhodiumToad	my experience is that freenode has been far more reliable
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2021-05-19 18:18:30	echoSMILE	debdrup: could be possible to implement group on it and be "reliable"
2021-05-19 18:18:47	RhodiumToad	I just tried to reconnect my efnet client which had disconnected, found that it would not connect to the host it had been connected to before, and had to try 3 hostnames to find one that apparently worked
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2021-05-19 18:19:27	@debdrup	echoSMILE: that's a good joke.
2021-05-19 18:19:53	@debdrup	One of the hallmark features of irc is that it's time insensitive, almost no other protocol offers this.
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2021-05-19 18:20:20	echoSMILE	debdrup: "could be possible"
2021-05-19 18:20:23	echoSMILE	:P
2021-05-19 18:20:44	@debdrup	Not sure what your point is..
2021-05-19 18:20:46	_xor	I remember a lot of netsplits on efnet the last time I was on there regularly (which was years ago).
2021-05-19 18:20:55	echoSMILE	my point is: email rocks for life
2021-05-19 18:21:08	@debdrup	Email isn't a mass-communication protocol.
2021-05-19 18:21:39	@debdrup	Field Of Dreams is broadly regarded as a fallacy, too.
2021-05-19 18:21:42	mvanbaak	email is awesome, but it is something totally different from IRC
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2021-05-19 18:22:03	@debdrup	Email has strengths and weaknesses, just like everything else.
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2021-05-19 18:22:44	mvanbaak	indeed. email and IRC live together. One is not a replacement for the other
2021-05-19 18:22:51	echoSMILE	:P
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2021-05-19 18:27:00	Plazma	is there a reason http://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:12:amd64/ and other mirrors are giving 403 forbidden? and not working when trying to update a package?
2021-05-19 18:27:01	VimDiesel	Title: Index of /FreeBSD:12:amd64/ (at pkg.freebsd.org)
2021-05-19 18:27:38	xtao	they've been forbidden for quite a while for doing an index listing, but should be able to still fetch the repo files
2021-05-19 18:28:15	Plazma	hmm
2021-05-19 18:28:52	Plazma	was set default to quarterly and when i go to try to install perl-5.32.0 it seems to fail and says it's not found
2021-05-19 18:28:56	xtao	creating the index to display used a lot of CPU apparently so they disabled the index. but pkg should still be able to fetch the packages and manifest
2021-05-19 18:28:58	Plazma	and the 403 made me think that was something else
2021-05-19 18:29:01	@debdrup	Plazma: the index generation is a considerable amount of load for the amount of files in each directory, and to top it all off it was consuming a considerable amount of IOPS.
2021-05-19 18:29:07	Plazma	ahh fair enough
2021-05-19 18:29:11	@debdrup	If you want the direct link to the files, it's still possible to geti t.
2021-05-19 18:29:12	Plazma	pypi did similar i think
2021-05-19 18:29:13	@debdrup	get it*
2021-05-19 18:29:27	@debdrup	You can grab the packagesite.txz file and find the relative file paths there.
2021-05-19 18:29:42	Plazma	i just want pkg install perl5-5.32.0 to work :P
2021-05-19 18:30:06	@debdrup	It's possible perl failed to build, did you check https://portsfallout.com
2021-05-19 18:30:07	VimDiesel	Title: Dashboard - FreeBSD pkg-fallout (at portsfallout.com)
2021-05-19 18:30:09	RhodiumToad	what happened when you tried?
2021-05-19 18:30:27	@debdrup	Also, did you make sure do do pkg update -f first?
2021-05-19 18:30:35	RhodiumToad	a failure to build perl would leave much of the repo missing
2021-05-19 18:30:47	Plazma	let me see
2021-05-19 18:30:49	xtao	it's perl5-5.32.1_1 on latest but i don't know about quarterly
2021-05-19 18:30:50	@debdrup	That it would.
2021-05-19 18:31:38	Plazma	ahh update-f works
2021-05-19 18:31:39	Plazma	update -f
2021-05-19 18:31:55	@debdrup	According to https://www.freshports.org/lang/perl5.32, the latest available on quarterly for the freebsd:12:amd64 ABI is 5.32.1_1
2021-05-19 18:32:40	@debdrup	Yeah, pkg will cache things locally to prevent the mirrors from being hammered, so the first thing to try when something doesn't work is pkg update -f.
2021-05-19 18:32:54	Plazma	ahh awesome
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2021-05-19 18:33:56	RhodiumToad	pkg update -f  seems to be required far more often than is reasonable
2021-05-19 18:34:04	Plazma	oh dear i fucked this perl up,
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2021-05-19 18:34:20	Plazma	Cwd.c: loadable library and perl binaries are mismatched (got handshake key 0xc680080, needed
2021-05-19 18:34:23	Plazma	0xfc00080)
2021-05-19 18:34:29	Plazma	when trying to do some cpan stuff or use a irssi script
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2021-05-19 18:34:43	@debdrup	RhodiumToad: really? Maybe I'm not using pkg often enough to notice, because it doesn't happen too often for me.
2021-05-19 18:35:34	_xor	I do it everytime now after having more than one instance where the fix was to force-update it.  I'm also using a local repo though, so not hammering any pub services.
2021-05-19 18:36:15	_xor	Hmm, get check-sanity on devel/libsoup |
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2021-05-19 18:37:08	xtao	i update things daily and when i used the freebsd repo i had to use -f or it wouldn't do anything. don't have that problem on my own repo. i assume it probably uses http cache headers and last-modified etc. to determine if it needs to refresh or not
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2021-05-19 18:41:54	@debdrup	I'm curious, why do you update that often?
2021-05-19 18:43:46	echoSMILE	What about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_and_Free_Technology_Community ?
2021-05-19 18:43:47	VimDiesel	Title: Open and Free Technology Community - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2021-05-19 19:07:33	Plazma	well damn i got perl5 upgraded to the latest and now cpan is broken : Cwd.c: loadable library and perl binaries are mismatched (got handshake key 0xc680080, needed
2021-05-19 19:07:36	Plazma	0xfc00080)
2021-05-19 19:08:36	RhodiumToad	did you upgrade all the modules too?
2021-05-19 19:08:49	Plazma	i ahve no idea
2021-05-19 19:09:16	Plazma	i just installed perl5-32 package
2021-05-19 19:09:28	RhodiumToad	what other p5-* packages do you have installed?
2021-05-19 19:09:51	Plazma	hmm
2021-05-19 19:09:55	Plazma	let me try to figure out how to see that
2021-05-19 19:10:13	RhodiumToad	pkg info 'p5-*'
2021-05-19 19:11:37	mvanbaak	I read that as 'pkg info ps5-*'
2021-05-19 19:11:45	Plazma	RhodiumToad: there are a few installed
2021-05-19 19:11:55	mvanbaak	and for a moment I wondered if there was a freebsd image for playstation 5
2021-05-19 19:11:56	RhodiumToad	you likely need to upgrade them
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2021-05-19 19:12:05	mvanbaak	I should sleep
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2021-05-19 19:14:14	_xor	Heh, I remember when Cell was supposed to be the next big CPU and talks of them releasing their port.
2021-05-19 19:14:34	_xor	I think that was right around the time with Transmeta too? I remember reading interviews where Linus was hyping them up.
2021-05-19 19:15:32	mvanbaak	yeah
2021-05-19 19:15:45	mvanbaak	the ps3 was actually a pretty ok machine
2021-05-19 19:16:23	mvanbaak	there even was a company that threw a lot of them into a rack in the datacenter, installed linux, and resold them as ps3hosting
2021-05-19 19:16:30	mvanbaak	you could host your website on a ps3
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2021-05-19 19:18:10	anth	I’ve been trying to figure out what to do with my PS3…
2021-05-19 19:18:42	mvanbaak	put it on top of loose paper so it wont fly around your room when you open the window
2021-05-19 19:19:14	mvanbaak	or, as I did, put it into the 'look all my gaming stuff' display closet behind the glass door
2021-05-19 19:19:16	@debdrup	_xor: What? Transmeta and Cell are like a decade apart.
2021-05-19 19:19:57	_xor	Wasn't it early-to-mid 2000s?
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2021-05-19 19:21:07	Plazma	RhodiumToad: so it's just Cwd and it's when i try to use cpan -r
2021-05-19 19:21:28	RhodiumToad	is Cwd installed by pkg, or did you install it directly via cpan?
2021-05-19 19:21:45	RhodiumToad	because in the latter case it would not have been upgraded
2021-05-19 19:21:46	Plazma	oh hold on
2021-05-19 19:22:15	RhodiumToad	hm, there doesn't seem to be a Cwd port
2021-05-19 19:22:23	@debdrup	_xor: there's half a decade between them being released, and approximately the same time between them in development.
2021-05-19 19:22:43	@debdrup	There's quite a bit of confusion about the Cell CPU, because not all of it was ever available.
2021-05-19 19:22:51	Plazma	RhodiumToad: i thought it was in PathTOols which i just installed via pkg
2021-05-19 19:22:57	RhodiumToad	Cwd is supposed to be installed by perl5 itself
2021-05-19 19:23:00	_xor	I remember they developed it with IBM and they fabed it.
2021-05-19 19:23:07	Plazma	RhodiumToad: yea
2021-05-19 19:23:20	RhodiumToad	if you have a stray copy of Cwd.so from somewhere else, that could explain it
2021-05-19 19:23:27	_xor	Btw, anyone have any suggestions on a lua-based build system?
2021-05-19 19:23:41	_xor	(Not a build tool that builds lua projects, but one that uses lua to script building projects in general)
2021-05-19 19:24:06	Plazma	RhodiumToad: well i have multiple versions of perl on this machine, apparenlty
2021-05-19 19:25:42	RhodiumToad	from packages or just random files?
2021-05-19 19:26:00	Plazma	i think form packages
2021-05-19 19:26:22	@debdrup	_xor: there's SMT CPU with two threads at 3.3GHz and 8 slower cores that are essentially SIMD units with 256kB SRAM that's accessible through a register file.
2021-05-19 19:26:40	@debdrup	Unless you're doing very specific workloads or designing software to be run on the PS3, you're not going to get very much out of it.
2021-05-19 19:26:59	_xor	Yeah, I was just remembering.
2021-05-19 19:27:28	_xor	I also remember seeing a "debate" about export controls for it, talking about how it was good for making guided missiles, etc.
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2021-05-19 19:28:03	@debdrup	The SIMD units aren't even visible to the dual-thread PowerPC CPU that's the main CPU.
2021-05-19 19:28:28	@debdrup	There's also an AltiVec unit in it.
2021-05-19 19:28:52	@debdrup	Its pipeline is also considerably longer than the ones we have today.
2021-05-19 19:29:04	_xor	Ah yeah I do remember altivec being on it because there were discussions about utilizing it for a project (3d software renderer)
2021-05-19 19:29:28	@debdrup	The XBox360 used much the same CPU, but with 3 threads instead of 2.
2021-05-19 19:29:43	echoSMILE	not mine but to share: https://vermaden.wordpress.com/freebsd-desktop/
2021-05-19 19:29:44	VimDiesel	Title: FreeBSD Desktop | 𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚗 (at vermaden.wordpress.com)
2021-05-19 19:29:47	@debdrup	The main problem is that OtherOS never had access to the framebuffer.
2021-05-19 19:29:53	_xor	Heh, last time I wrote any code for Xbox, it was running Coppermine.
2021-05-19 19:30:30	@debdrup	CellOS was very tightly controlled by a hypervisor OS that's never really been known much about, if memory serves.
2021-05-19 19:31:10	@debdrup	CellOS being the FreeBSD/NetBSD thing that preceeds OrbisOS on the PS4.
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2021-05-19 19:33:13	@debdrup	Anywho, bed.
2021-05-19 19:35:43	@debdrup	_xor: speaking of Transmeta, though - I still want an Efficeon.
2021-05-19 19:37:59	@debdrup	A very small number of TM8820s at 1.7GHz were released, and it's basically the holy grail for me.
2021-05-19 19:39:02	iulian115c	In SYINIT(9) says "This is similar to init and fini routines", what are those, there is a man page for them?
2021-05-19 19:39:57	iulian115c	I tried man -k, but i'm not get anything useful.
2021-05-19 19:40:22	RhodiumToad	shared libraries in user space can have _init and _fini functions that are called on load and unload
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2021-05-19 19:42:36	iulian115c	<RhodiumToad>: thank you!
2021-05-19 19:44:58	iulian115c	and i guess that for a single shared library there si a single _init and _fini function unlike SYINITs.
2021-05-19 19:45:01	Plazma	RhodiumToad: ayy yea i so i got rid of cpan libs and it works
2021-05-19 19:45:06	iulian115c	am i right?
2021-05-19 19:45:44	RhodiumToad	iulian115c: well, it's a bit more complicated than that
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2021-05-19 19:46:17	myrkraverk	What is the maximum username length in FreeBSD?
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2021-05-19 19:46:29	myrkraverk	I don't find it in man pw, nor man 5 passwd; which I find weird.
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2021-05-19 19:49:26	RhodiumToad	getconf LOGIN_NAME_MAX
2021-05-19 19:50:06	RhodiumToad	the terminating null is _included_ in that limit (which is why it's 33 and not 32)
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2021-05-19 19:53:25	myrkraverk	thanks.
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2021-05-19 19:56:22	RhodiumToad	that's the posix-approved method for finding the limit, the actual definition in freebsd is MAXLOGNAME in sys/param.h
2021-05-19 19:57:28	RhodiumToad	it's not conditional, so it's not expected to be overridden anywhere
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2021-05-19 19:59:42	myrkraverk	Right.  Though in a portable program, I can /reasonably?/ just use the value of sysconf( _SC_LOGIN_NAME_MAX ), I guess.
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2021-05-19 20:01:06	myrkraverk	For sanitizing usernames from external sources.
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2021-05-19 20:05:27	RhodiumToad	that would be the approved method, yes
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2021-05-19 20:10:11	iulian115c	<RhodiumToad>: I try to find out the difference between SYSINIT and modeventhand_t  evhand;(wich i think is the equivalent of module_init/module_exit in Linux)
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2021-05-19 20:10:56	iulian115c	do you know something that can help me to clarify this aspect?
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2021-05-19 20:14:51	RhodiumToad	modeventhand_t is per module; I think a .ko file might contain multiple (or possibly no) modules
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2021-05-19 20:15:29	RhodiumToad	modeventhand_t also handles events other than load and unload
2021-05-19 20:15:30	BigKnife	SYSINIT is a bit lower level, it's like a __ctor__ function
2021-05-19 20:15:39	BigKnife	whereas SYSUNINIT is just a __dtor__
2021-05-19 20:16:23	BigKnife	module_t's are registered via a SYSINIT, then the kernel linker explicitly goes and invokes the MOD_LOAD event on each module handler after they have all been registered
2021-05-19 20:17:02	BigKnife	the main difference really is that a module event handler can revoke kldunload
2021-05-19 20:17:14	BigKnife	by returning an error from MOD_QUIESCE (only blocks a normal unload)
2021-05-19 20:17:23	BigKnife	or from MOD_UNLOAD (fails even a forced kldunload)
2021-05-19 20:17:43	BigKnife	whereas SYSINITs/SYSUNINITs cannot fail and must always be safe to run
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2021-05-19 20:25:56	@koobs	morning
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2021-05-19 20:44:53	Tabmow	It's a shame what is happening to freenode... and it seems like the trolls are hitching their bandwagons
2021-05-19 20:45:03	@zi	efnet++
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2021-05-19 20:45:58	Tabmow	It's been a while since I've been over there...
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2021-05-19 21:04:01	@zi	still exists!
2021-05-19 21:04:25	RhodiumToad	for some value of "exists"
2021-05-19 21:04:32	@zi	true story
2021-05-19 21:04:37	@zi	has been shrinking for many moons
2021-05-19 21:04:56	ptx0	yup
2021-05-19 21:05:05	RhodiumToad	I lurk there some of the time, but getting and keeping a reliable connection seems tricky from here
2021-05-19 21:05:07	ptx0	people are hopping over to the new network and claiming big channel names
2021-05-19 21:05:27	ptx0	also nicknames of people who were well known here
2021-05-19 21:05:34	ptx0	it's a big security fuck-up
2021-05-19 21:05:52	 *	RhodiumToad claimed his own nick
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2021-05-19 21:09:30	@zi	RhodiumToad: yea, server pool has also been shrinking
2021-05-19 21:11:17	Tabmow	zi: for what it's worth, I remember you and a few others :P
2021-05-19 21:11:31	@zi	hah
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2021-05-19 21:15:53	@zi	RhodiumToad: could try efnet.deic.eu; not sure.
2021-05-19 21:16:03	RhodiumToad	that's what I'm on now
2021-05-19 21:16:35	@zi	big change between today and a decade ago
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2021-05-19 21:21:44	fireglow	every time I look into the mirror, yes
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2021-05-19 21:23:10	@zi	thosd are just lines of wisdom!
2021-05-19 21:23:17	@zi	s/thosd/those/
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2021-05-19 21:31:20	fireglow	hehe!
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2021-05-19 23:04:06	R2COM	so I was thinking to run son proprietary EDA soft on FreeBSD, and then I was like.. no screw that
2021-05-19 23:04:33	R2COM	since that stuff also can run on win10, and since that stuff is proprietary and closed for me... then why would I contaminate my FreeBSD machine
2021-05-19 23:04:42	R2COM	ill just run that garbage on win10
2021-05-19 23:05:15	R2COM	same goes with PDF... one viewer I REALLY liked is Foxit, I use it on win10... it has linux version...but then again i gotta bring linuxulator to my system
2021-05-19 23:05:52	R2COM	reason i liked that soft is it has good commenting tools.... (still cant find SIMPLE pdf viewer for BSD which has BASIC commenting tools: highlight, line, circle draw etc..nothing fancy)
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2021-05-19 23:20:32	R2COM	so is there as of today reasonably simple pdf viewer for freebsd which has basic markup tools? (none of popular ones have it...they are bare viewers, and I dont wanna install something with >1GB dependence on KDE or stuff)
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2021-05-19 23:23:50	@koobs	R2COM: can any of the browser ones markup?
2021-05-19 23:24:00	R2COM	i dont think so?
2021-05-19 23:25:02	@koobs	iirc mozilla uses pdfjs
2021-05-19 23:25:02	R2COM	i really love zathura... but man...couldnt they just implement basic markup... that would complete that app
2021-05-19 23:25:07	@koobs	and that supports annotations and markup?
2021-05-19 23:25:27	@koobs	might be worth finding the pdf libs that support it
2021-05-19 23:25:31	@koobs	then the projects that use that lib
2021-05-19 23:25:47	@koobs	github search for 'pdflibname'
2021-05-19 23:25:50	R2COM	it cant markup
2021-05-19 23:25:52	@koobs	might come up with projects that use it
2021-05-19 23:26:12	R2COM	iv been looking all over i  couldnt find anything reasonable
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2021-05-20 02:57:21	dch	I ran `vmstat -o` a while ago, it still hasn't finished.
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2021-05-20 02:57:57	dch	running it on a smaller box, it appears to dump (among other things) a list of every vn (vnode I guess) that the kernel knows about.
2021-05-20 02:58:35	dch	in hindsight this is not what I wanted, and possibly needs some sort of warning in the manpage if this command is literally going to take an hour or more
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2021-05-20 03:22:11	dch	ok I received a panic for my sins of running that.
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2021-05-20 04:16:50	zs0lt	OA
2021-05-20 04:16:50	zs0lt	OA
2021-05-20 04:16:50	zs0lt	OA
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2021-05-20 04:18:10	nomad_fr	hi
2021-05-20 04:18:25	nomad_fr	since this morning after a pkg upgrade I have this in a jail
2021-05-20 04:18:35	nomad_fr	ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Undefined symbol "memalign@FBSD_1.6"
2021-05-20 04:18:49	nomad_fr	it look like an unfinished freebsd-upgrade
2021-05-20 04:19:19	FUZxxl	oh no
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2021-05-20 04:35:16	weust	anyone happen to run a Lenovo T14 Gen 1 laptop? booting the installer hangs at hwpstate_intel0, the Intel Speed Shift stuff
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2021-05-20 04:50:45	weust	odd. I set hwpstate_intel.0.disabled="1" on the boot loader prompt and it still loads Intel Speed Shift on boot?
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2021-05-20 05:17:51	weust	ah, did need hint. in front of it. thought I tried that before and wasn't accepted
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2021-05-20 05:22:15	@debdrup	ah you forgot hint.? :)
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2021-05-20 05:33:47	weust	yeah, I tried it with at first and got a message saying it wasn't something. forgot what. setting it without is just accepted
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2021-05-20 05:34:33	weust	sadly it's not just the installer in this laptop's case. need it in loader.conf for now
2021-05-20 05:35:07	weust	but can use powerdxx then
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2021-05-20 05:44:07	@debdrup	hints go in /boot/device.hints
2021-05-20 05:45:20	weust	makes sense. I was following https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253288 and people there mention it in /boot/loader.conf
2021-05-20 05:46:10	@debdrup	i mean, they'll get parsed in /boot/loader.conf just fine, but /boot/device.hints is where they're meant to go
2021-05-20 05:46:33	@debdrup	a lot of people also stick values that belong in /etc/sysctl.conf in /boot/loader.conf for reasons that i'm not entirely sure about
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2021-05-20 05:49:52	weust	hehe I do try to put stuff in the right places. but lack of knowledge is there too
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2021-05-20 05:51:20	weust	bit odd that /boot/device.hints is a read only file then
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2021-05-20 05:53:12	@debdrup	it's not: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist#n6
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2021-05-20 05:54:17	weust	according to vim and checking the file with ls on the fresh installation it is
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2021-05-20 05:55:46	weust	-r--r--r-- on /boot/device.hints
2021-05-20 05:56:52	@debdrup	I don't know why it would be, the .hints file at https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/amd64/conf is the source and it's read-write for root.
2021-05-20 05:58:05	weust	so I can safely do a chmod 755 on that file then?
2021-05-20 05:58:35	@debdrup	i'd probably just make it read-writable by root/wheel and leave it readable by others
2021-05-20 05:58:37	weust	according to the BSD.root.dst link
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2021-05-20 06:00:34	weust	alright. done
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2021-05-20 06:17:15	tehpwnz	hello FreeBSD people, I have lost my ssh keys to one host, the system crashed unexpectedly. That host is on digitalocean. I have booted into the host via recovery, so the fs is read-only. I can see the authorized_keys on the host. Is it possible to copy those keys and put them on my host so I can ssh into the droplet again? is there any way?
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2021-05-20 06:17:58	tehpwnz	hmmm, I didn't phrase that correctly. The droplet never crashed, what crashed was my local system
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2021-05-20 09:22:32	ash13	tehpwnz, authorized_keys contains only public parts of ssh keypairs. and there is no way to regenerate private part from public one.
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2021-05-20 09:50:50	CyberCr33p	If some knows what is wrong with these steps https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=255748#c5 let me know
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2021-05-20 10:19:11	AndrewBC	Xiatian, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222079
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2021-05-20 10:39:36	Xiatian	AndrewBC: hmm that is Intel; I have AMD Jaguar
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2021-05-20 11:33:54	andreas303	Hi folks! Has anyone here tried https://github.com/Sec42/freebsd-remote-crypto and succeeded with it, on FreeBSD 12 or 13?
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2021-05-20 11:47:01	andreas303	When I've installed freebsd-remote-crypto and booted, I don't have any IP address. So I assumed it was because of a problem with dhclient. When I ran "dhclient em0", I got two error messages: 1. "Cannot open or create pidfile: No such file or directory", but that error messages disappeared after I created the directory that the default pidfile is created in. 2. "no such user: _dhcp, falling back
2021-05-20 11:47:03	andreas303	to "nobody". no such user: nobody. exiting". In /etc/passwd there is only one user: root. Why doesn't dhclient by default run under the user who executes it? Why does it expect a user "_dhcp" and fallback to user "nobody" and exit when user "nobody" does not exist? Is this standard behavior of dhclient?
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2021-05-20 12:19:06	TheBeastie	andreas303: only root entry in /etc/passwd ???
2021-05-20 12:20:30	andreas303	TheBeastie: Yes, on the minimal UFS partition that is used to unlock the disks and switch root (with "reboot -r", I suppose). On the normal installation, I guess it's a more "normal" FreeBSD installation.
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2021-05-20 12:20:48	andreas303	TheBeastie: Have you tried https://github.com/Sec42/freebsd-remote-crypto?
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2021-05-20 12:23:19	andreas303	TheBeastie: To me, it feels intuitive to only have the "root" account on such a partition, but it seems that dhclient excepts either user "_dhcp" or "nobody". I don't understand why dhclient can't be satisfied with the user "root".
2021-05-20 12:23:41	TheBeastie	then probably you need to create manually the user _dchp
2021-05-20 12:23:59	andreas303	TheBeastie: ...and I don't understand why dhclient isn't run automatically when booting that UFS partition...
2021-05-20 12:24:53	andreas303	TheBeastie: Hmm, yes, but now I suspect that maybe https://github.com/Sec42/freebsd-remote-crypto? assumes a static IP for the minimal UFS partition. Have you used it before?
2021-05-20 12:24:58	TheBeastie	andreas303: probably the program is setuid root to allocate a raw socket... and then switches to a normal user to avoid security problems.... as the user doesn't exist... it just exits.
2021-05-20 12:25:16	TheBeastie	a passwd file without the normal system accounts is quite rare.
2021-05-20 12:26:14	TheBeastie	imho, the problem is in your /etc/passwd file.
2021-05-20 12:27:05	TheBeastie	running as root is something you should avoid as much as you can.... this is why the dhclient program tries to change id.
2021-05-20 12:27:35	andreas303	TheBeastie: Yes, but for a minimal UFS partition that is only intended to accept an SSH connection to take a password to unlock the rest of the partitions, it feels quite intuitive. I would like to test to run dhclient under root, but I can't find any information about how to make dhclient run under root. Do you know any way to make dhclient run as root?
2021-05-20 12:28:10	andreas303	TheBeastie: Though, I agree that running as root is to be avoided.
2021-05-20 12:28:14	TheBeastie	well... you seem to know your problem better than me.... just go ahead.... don't touch your /etc/passwd and look elsewhere.
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2021-05-20 12:29:35	TheBeastie	and you are protecting that with a user+password ???
2021-05-20 12:29:36	andreas303	TheBeastie: Actually, I don't know my problem so well at all, so I appreciate any feedback. :)
2021-05-20 12:29:50	TheBeastie	don't you use public key security?
2021-05-20 12:30:41	TheBeastie	then try to continue from dhclient... provide it a _dhcp account (non privileged) so it can continue giving your system a dynamically managed ip address.
2021-05-20 12:30:48	andreas303	TheBeastie: I'm protecting the root account with password now when I just want to see if I can get the things up and running. When I see that things works, I will use public key security for SSH.
2021-05-20 12:31:08	andreas303	TheBeastie: OK. I will try it. Thanks!
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2021-05-20 12:31:35	TheBeastie	then why not to test with the account _dhcp and if you finally think I'm wrong delete it?
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2021-05-20 12:32:35	andreas303	TheBeastie: I will do that. I don't have so many other ideas. :( I don't mean that I think you're wrong. :)
2021-05-20 12:32:38	TheBeastie	it's my belief that dhclient doesn't use the raw socket until it has changed it's real and effective uid.
2021-05-20 12:32:57	andreas303	TheBeastie: Ah, OK. I didn't know that. But it sounds reasonable!
2021-05-20 12:32:57	TheBeastie	I can look that in the source code (you can do it also)
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2021-05-20 12:35:30	TheBeastie	just look in the source... it first gets the raw socket... as i told you... then it chroots.... then it sets the uid.... then it starts running.
2021-05-20 12:36:15	andreas303	TheBeastie: Sorry if I appeared rude. It was not my intention. :(
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2021-05-20 12:40:18	TheBeastie	no.... don't apologize... I didn't think you were rude... just reluctanct to admit my theory.
2021-05-20 12:41:00	TheBeastie	the program tries to find _dhcp in /etc/passwd to know the uid to switch to.... as it cannot... just prints an error and exits.
2021-05-20 12:41:31	TheBeastie	(I answered you this, because this would be the behaviour dhclient should have should I have written it)
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2021-05-20 12:55:56	andreas303	TheBeastie: OK, yes, I will try your suggestion. Though, such steps are not mentioned in the documentation of https://github.com/Sec42/freebsd-remote-crypto?, which makes me suspect that dhclient is not meant to be used in that phase of the boot process, but rather that a static IP address is susposed to be used. However, I will try your suggestion.
2021-05-20 12:57:14	TheBeastie	andreas303: you can tie yourself to the documentation, you are free :)
2021-05-20 12:58:22	RhodiumToad	dhclient wants to run the actual network-communications part of itself under a nonprivileged user for security reasons
2021-05-20 12:58:51	andreas303	TheBeastie: :-)
2021-05-20 12:59:12	andreas303	RhodiumToad: OK, I see.
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2021-05-20 13:33:25	jmpp	apologies if this is off-topic, but is this channel going to stay here on Freenode, after the recent events with the network, or move elsewhere?
2021-05-20 13:34:01	Dwarf	jmpp: /topic
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2021-05-20 15:45:41	SpaceBass	I'm playing with FreeBSD on a raspberry 4 for the first time... cool that it works! But man are port complies REALLY slow
2021-05-20 15:45:45	SpaceBass	24+ hours for bind9
2021-05-20 15:49:00	zleap	ouch
2021-05-20 15:49:10	zleap	can you not cross compile on a faster computer ?
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2021-05-20 15:52:46	thorre	SpaceBass:  I think that there are pre-compiled packages for RELEASE
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2021-05-20 15:54:38	SpaceBass	zleap, I get that cross compiling works in theory... but In practice I've never done it :)
2021-05-20 15:55:00	SpaceBass	thorre, yeah there are packages but I need a specific option config'd in bind9 that the package doesn't have
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2021-05-20 15:55:20	gawen	SpaceBass: it took way less time to compile /usr/src/sys on RPi 3 B+, but I did that over nfs, not the SD card
2021-05-20 15:55:26	thorre	SpaceBass: Out of curiosity, what is the option?
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2021-05-20 15:56:22	SpaceBass	Heimdal kerberos base
2021-05-20 15:56:36	SpaceBass	Setting this Pi up as a domain controller for a remote site
2021-05-20 15:56:42	gawen	btw isn't most of the compile time for bind9 dependencies, and not bind9 itself?
2021-05-20 15:56:53	SpaceBass	gawen, seems that way
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2021-05-20 15:58:06	gawen	I generally install most dep as packages, I know I shouldn't, but it saves a lot of time for only one particular port and one particular option
2021-05-20 15:58:53	SpaceBass	Im actually not opposed - is there a command to dell make to install deps as pkgs?
2021-05-20 15:58:58	SpaceBass	Or do you do it manually?
2021-05-20 16:00:22	gawen	I do it manually, but it's probably possible to write a script
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2021-05-20 16:01:44	gawen	I install mostly everything through packages but compile port when I need an option, or when an option would force a lot of dependencies like xorg
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2021-05-20 16:02:23	gawen	then pkg lock <package>
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2021-05-20 16:06:28	SpaceBass	Totally get the benefit
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2021-05-20 17:10:36	RhodiumToad	SpaceBass: are you compiling with poudriere or directly?
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2021-05-20 17:19:58	echoSMILE	"hw.acpi.video.lcd0.active: 0" The screen is supposed to be on with this conf?
2021-05-20 17:21:17	RhodiumToad	does sysctl -d hw.acpi.video.lcd0.active   shed any light on it?
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2021-05-20 17:21:35	RhodiumToad	I would guess that active=0 means it's supposed to be off
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2021-05-20 17:23:08	echoSMILE	is very on. with -d I just got " ...lcd0.active: currentl activity of this device"
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2021-05-20 17:38:50	@debdrup	crest: can I ask you to join the bhyve zoom call to check whether my some tweaks I've made have made the audio stream not be choppy?
2021-05-20 17:40:41	@debdrup	Err, nevermind. It doesn't seem like it's even working anymore.
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2021-05-20 17:47:43	coolvibe	zoom? isn't jitsi a better idea? also works nice on FreeBSD by the way :)
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2021-05-20 17:48:14	@debdrup	If I have a choice, I'll use Jitsi. Unfortunately I don't always have a choice.
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2021-05-20 17:53:33	gawen	debdrup: choppy audio stream? had that with telegram and google meet but could not fix it, what tweaks did you do?
2021-05-20 17:54:10	@debdrup	gawen: I haven't yet arrived at something that reliably works.
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2021-05-20 17:54:28	gawen	ok
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2021-05-20 17:55:03	tuaris	does freebsd include an rwhois server as part of base, or will that need to get installed from ports?
2021-05-20 17:55:18	@debdrup	There are no remote tools left in the base system.
2021-05-20 17:55:31	@debdrup	rsh, rlogin, rwhois, et cetera were all removed.
2021-05-20 17:55:46	RhodiumToad	rwhois isn't in the same category as those others
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2021-05-20 17:56:07	@debdrup	Well, it's not in base or provided by anything in ports, so *shrug*
2021-05-20 17:56:14	RhodiumToad	afaik there was never a rwhois server in the base system
2021-05-20 17:56:53	@debdrup	Oh, are we talking about referral whois?
2021-05-20 17:56:56	tuaris	that's weird, maybe I'll try to make a port for http://projects.arin.net/rwhois/.  That seems to be the only thing avaiable
2021-05-20 17:57:07	gawen	debdrup: do you use snd_uaudio? when I investigated that was somewhat related as far as I remember
2021-05-20 17:57:23	@debdrup	gawen: I do
2021-05-20 17:58:03	@debdrup	My microphone is connected via a USB interface on my laptop.
2021-05-20 17:58:05	tuaris	Oh, there was once a port: https://www.freshports.org/net/rwhoisd/
2021-05-20 17:58:18	@debdrup	tuaris: time to resurrect it then?
2021-05-20 17:59:56	tuaris	probably, the deprecation reason was due to "No more public distfiles", but I'm finding them just fine.
2021-05-20 17:59:56	@debdrup	I also found out that despite chromium now supporting OSS, it doesn't enumerate audio devices like Firefox does, so you can't select an input device like Firefox can.
2021-05-20 18:01:31	gawen	yeah, I've also seen that, and firefox doesn't support v4l as well as chromium
2021-05-20 18:02:00	@debdrup	tuaris: are you finding official distfiles or archived ones? Because the latter doesn't really count, and if upstream doesn't provide distfiles it's probably pining for the fjords.
2021-05-20 18:02:23	@debdrup	gawen: haven't had any problems with video, but my webcam only does 720p so that might be why.
2021-05-20 18:03:37	tuaris	I'm finding them on what appears to be ARIN's github account
2021-05-20 18:03:43	tuaris	https://github.com/arineng/rwhoisd/
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2021-05-20 18:08:32	@debdrup	If it was me, I might try finding the person who expired it and talk with them first.
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2021-05-20 18:48:30	SpaceBass	update.... RPI 4 still compiling bind9 hahah! ~32 hours and going
2021-05-20 18:49:14	ComCat	moved to Libera.chat. Sponsors of Freenode are beginning to pull out, it is unknown for how long the freenode will be stable. Most channels, projects and users are now migrating to Libera. Libera is a registered non-profit organization with mitigations against this disaster happening ever again. Leaked chats showing disgusting intents and former devs that have worked with Mr.Lee before says that he's disorganized, dishonest and that they wish to
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2021-05-20 18:49:19	ComCat	never work with him again (he managed to scam freenode out of our hands and he lied to the staffers). All officiall freenode channels are now currently under complete censorship. https://distfiles.dereferenced.org/stuff/nirvana-log.txt  - https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 - Please update your topic to point to the new server if you haven't done so already. This message is to inform the users about the
2021-05-20 18:49:24	ComCat	situation if the topic is set already. Spread this message too.
2021-05-20 18:49:32	DrKK`	yeah, so,
2021-05-20 18:49:32	NineX	spacebass: you are really compiling on pi? i was always used cross compilation + distcc for that
2021-05-20 18:49:34	DrKK`	I did that,
2021-05-20 18:49:39	DrKK`	and went to #freebsd on libera,
2021-05-20 18:49:45	DrKK`	and aside from Allanjude and myself,
2021-05-20 18:49:53	DrKK`	the set of users seems to bear no resemblance
2021-05-20 18:49:55	DrKK`	to here.
2021-05-20 18:52:26	mvanbaak	I'm there
2021-05-20 18:53:08	RhodiumToad	ComCat: fuck off with the spamming, everyone who cares already knows
2021-05-20 18:55:33	 *	RhodiumToad is also in the libera channel but isn't saying much
2021-05-20 18:56:53	NineX	from my observatrion actually those "spam" is usable for people who are not observing.
2021-05-20 18:57:18	NineX	paritally i am an victim here... someone registered my nick, which is also my brand for last 19 years...
2021-05-20 18:57:30	NineX	i think however we have to ccalm down
2021-05-20 18:58:20	NineX	just as a precaution i registered all my project channels and advertised to my users to keep sessions for booth networks for now. and lets see who gonna win that war.
2021-05-20 18:58:26	SpaceBass	NineX, yeah, I think it's time for me to learn how to cross compile :)
2021-05-20 18:59:10	NineX	spacebass: then byu more rpi , and setup distrcc cluster - this is fairly easy.
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2021-05-20 18:59:42	NineX	i remember compilation of open office on gentoo on pentium 3 ;)
2021-05-20 18:59:46	NineX	that took a week
2021-05-20 19:00:00	NineX	damn how much time i had then....
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2021-05-20 19:08:17	SpaceBass	Brutal!
2021-05-20 19:08:36	SpaceBass	I think I had a similar experience with the enlightenment WM on a Pent 4
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2021-05-20 22:15:42	yetoo	I'm running top with sudo via ssh. When I try to press arrow keys to scroll, I get command not found. Any suggestions
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2021-05-20 22:19:34	_xor	lol
2021-05-20 22:19:38	_xor	IRC drama
2021-05-20 22:21:08	_xor	RhodiumToad: Which window manager do you use again? Also, do you tend to use emacs more in your terminal or gui?
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2021-05-20 22:29:28	RhodiumToad	I almost never use emacs in terminal
2021-05-20 22:30:19	_xor	Just curious. I'm in flux between vim/emacs & i3 (switched from kde). I tend to open multiple instances of vim, so I make use of tiling.
2021-05-20 22:30:36	_xor	With emacs, obviously, better to have one instance going, so I'm just curious about different workflows wth emacs + a tiling wm.
2021-05-20 22:30:50	RhodiumToad	you can open multiple frames from a single instance
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2021-05-20 22:30:54	 *	RhodiumToad often does
2021-05-20 22:30:55	_xor	Yup
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2021-05-20 22:31:45	RhodiumToad	you can also have multiple windows open tiled within one frame
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2021-05-20 22:32:46	_xor	Referring to splits or something else that I don't know about?
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2021-05-20 22:33:06	_xor	Oh nevermind, got confused by terminology.
2021-05-20 22:33:08	RhodiumToad	windows can be split horizontally or vertically
2021-05-20 22:33:36	_xor	When you say window, I assume you're referring to a defined view to display buffer(s).
2021-05-20 22:33:45	 *	_xor gets confused by the different terms between vim, emacs, vscode, etc.
2021-05-20 22:34:01	RhodiumToad	in emacs terms, a window displays a buffer; what the window system calls a window is an emacs frame
2021-05-20 22:34:35	_xor	Yup, just making sure I wasn't misinterpreting.
2021-05-20 22:34:52	RhodiumToad	if you do much stuff with git, then be sure to check out magit
2021-05-20 22:35:06	_xor	Yeah magit is nice, I have it installed.
2021-05-20 22:35:38	_xor	I use fossil mostly aside from some external projects.
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2021-05-21 03:54:30	mitch0	fossil? eh...
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2021-05-21 04:24:01	weust	I was hoping to use my new work laptop as a FreeBSD desktop but Intel Speed Shift isn't working for this 10th gen Intel CPU, and wifi isn't working at all. The latter isn't an issue when working from home still, but fan speed at max all the time because speed shift disabled is annoying :-(
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2021-05-21 04:25:46	aliss	hello weust <3 Thanks for sharing and I'm sorry it's not working for you, here is a list of hardware and what you can more or less expect to work: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops
2021-05-21 04:26:28	weust	aliss: I know what works. I have a 6th gen lenovo X1 Carbon which works fine. just seems this one is too new for FreeBSD
2021-05-21 04:26:36	aliss	oh
2021-05-21 04:26:51	aliss	yes, with FreeBSD you need to be a bit picky with hardware in my experience <3
2021-05-21 04:27:20	aliss	most people I know just build their machines
2021-05-21 04:27:25	aliss	have a lovely one!
2021-05-21 04:27:39	weust	yeah. I dsiabled speed shift and was able to install and run the OS, and powerdxx works too, but somehow the temps are high anyway. read about that on bugzilla too. constant almost 47C
2021-05-21 04:27:55	weust	I'm not gonna "build" a work laptop ;-)
2021-05-21 04:28:26	aliss	I hope your temps issue gets fixed
2021-05-21 04:28:36	aliss	hahaha yes, not build a work laptop
2021-05-21 04:28:39	aliss	;)
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2021-05-21 04:29:54	weust	https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253288
2021-05-21 04:31:40	weust	VimDiesel doesn't work anymore?
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2021-05-21 04:41:26	parv	Thanks, weust, for the PR URL.
2021-05-21 04:41:55	weust	I'm adding my work laptop CPU there now. just as extra info, I hope
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2021-05-21 05:18:36	weust	032901
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2021-05-21 05:19:24	weust	nice....
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2021-05-21 05:44:09	xtao	at least it's something different now :)
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2021-05-21 05:48:47	weust	:-)
2021-05-21 05:50:04	xtao	i wonder how easy it is to brute force the secret based on knowing what the code was at that exact time. depends how many bits are in your secret i guess
2021-05-21 05:52:08	xtao	which could be any number, so that's an added complication. although the default unless changed is usually about 40 on a lot of stuff
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2021-05-21 06:17:38	mvanbaak	reading the comment made by weust made me fill in the 'replace ancient hardware' request form at work
2021-05-21 06:17:52	mvanbaak	my battery is drained within the hour
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2021-05-21 07:27:01	Feigr	anyone know any software for the terminal to draw diagrams using ascii? I need it to display an IF map, so just squares connected with straight lines
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2021-05-21 07:32:06	@debdrup	Can you export it an image, then use libcaca?
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2021-05-21 07:34:35	Feigr	debdrup: I don't have any diagram, I was looking at creating it as I went along
2021-05-21 07:35:39	@daemon	Feigr, you could just use raw ascii, boot up ee or vi
2021-05-21 07:35:47	@daemon	might be the fastest solution :P
2021-05-21 07:35:49	Feigr	this seems to be something: https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/12/how-to-create-ascii-drawings-in-vim-editor-draw-boxes-lines-ellipses-arrows-inside-text-file/#more-2732
2021-05-21 07:35:56	Feigr	vim plugin
2021-05-21 07:36:20	Feigr	I also looked at asciio but that dependency list made me ill
2021-05-21 07:37:02	@daemon	no other pc close by so you can open up draw.io ?
2021-05-21 07:37:44	Feigr	daemon: yes ofc but this is more about can it be done than is it the best way to do it :)
2021-05-21 07:38:09	Feigr	it's more fun to do all the dev work in the console on this FreeBSD VM using vim and TuDu etc
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2021-05-21 07:39:21	@daemon	ah right, I think I honestly would just use ee or plain vi and hand draw the flowchart, it will likely be overall faster rather than learning some fancy other tool
2021-05-21 07:41:24	mitch0	there's also msc-generator. pretty easy to use
2021-05-21 07:42:02	Feigr	mitch0: can you run that in the terminal?
2021-05-21 07:42:06	mitch0	yes
2021-05-21 07:42:17	mitch0	text-only markup -> generates pdf, png, whatever
2021-05-21 07:42:24	Feigr	seems quite complex for just making a map for an IF game
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2021-05-21 07:43:07	mitch0	it's not really complex
2021-05-21 07:43:10	mitch0	check out the examples
2021-05-21 07:43:13	mitch0	https://sourceforge.net/projects/msc-generator/
2021-05-21 07:43:41	Feigr	can you have the diagram open in the terminal and makes changes to it and add rooms etc?
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2021-05-21 07:44:56	mitch0	uh. rooms. sorry, I didn't really scroll back, just read that the discussion was about flowchart
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2021-05-21 07:46:34	mitch0	probably can be done with msc-gen, but probably not worth the effort. it's more suited to data flow charts, etc
2021-05-21 07:46:39	Feigr	mitch0: something like this http://ggarra13.github.io/ifmapper/images/IFMapper_main.gif
2021-05-21 07:47:47	mitch0	yeah, as I said, probably not impossible, but definitely out-of-scope, so msc-gen is not really suited for that
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2021-05-21 07:51:38	mitch0	Feigr: you may have some luck with graphvis: https://graphviz.org/Gallery/undirected/grid.html
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2021-05-21 07:52:43	Feigr	mitch0: yeah, I might prefer something more wysiwyg though, but I guess at that point it's just as easy to just type out an ascii diagram in vim myself
2021-05-21 07:52:53	mitch0	yep
2021-05-21 07:53:02	mitch0	you could define some fancy macros though :)
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2021-05-21 08:16:19	ceri	is this about displaying in a terminal, or drawing in a terminal?
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2021-05-21 08:19:47	ceri	https://asciiflow.com/ just in case it's the former
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2021-05-21 08:33:32	Posterdati	hi
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2021-05-21 08:33:57	Posterdati	please I upgraded from 12.2 to 13.0-release
2021-05-21 08:34:43	Posterdati	this is what I've got connecting to the upgraded box via ssh: ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libncursesw.so.8" not found, required by "bash"
2021-05-21 08:34:43	Posterdati	Connection to xxxxxxx closed.
2021-05-21 08:35:01	Posterdati	this is a remote machine
2021-05-21 08:35:11	Posterdati	I have no access to the physical console
2021-05-21 08:35:47	llua	going to have to get access to it most likely
2021-05-21 08:35:56	Posterdati	crap os
2021-05-21 08:36:27	llua	poort adminstration tbf
2021-05-21 08:36:32	Posterdati	no
2021-05-21 08:36:50	turtle	user error != crapos, sorry :-(
2021-05-21 08:38:22	michalz	Posterdati: maybe it would help: ssh -t user@ip sh
2021-05-21 08:38:36	Posterdati	I followed the official guide to upgrade...
2021-05-21 08:39:05	llua	skipping the part where you updated ports
2021-05-21 08:39:19	llua	+packages
2021-05-21 08:39:19	Posterdati	michalz: not working either
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2021-05-21 08:40:25	turtle	if you don't have physical or console access to your server you should have a way to log in that either 1) uses a shell from base or 2) is statically linked.
2021-05-21 08:40:31	michalz	Posterdati: try use csh instead of sh
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2021-05-21 08:43:58	michalz	Posterdati: ssh -t user@ip csh  or ssh -t user@ip tcsh
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2021-05-21 08:48:10	Posterdati	neither
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2021-05-21 08:50:15	mvanbaak	what are the errors you get when you try those ?
2021-05-21 08:51:33	mvanbaak	on both 12.2 and 13.0 clean jails here it works. My user has zsh as default shell, but 'ssh -t mvanbaak@jail.ip sh' gives me sh
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2021-05-21 09:00:21	llua	you have to have a working shell to run the command
2021-05-21 09:02:48	xtao	you're hosed. need to have console access to fix that, would have to boot into single user mode and set a rescue shell to /bin/sh or /rescue/sh , fix the problem and start it up again. problem caused by not following instructions and running freebsd-update install (or make delete-old) before all packages reinstalled first
2021-05-21 09:05:11	pstef_	Posterdati: if "user" is root, maybe try logging into "toor"
2021-05-21 09:08:59	@debdrup	When enabling toor, it's usually not a bad idea to set the shell to /rescue/csh
2021-05-21 09:11:59	ceri	anyone on 13.0-release know what version libncursesw.so is there?  9 ?
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2021-05-21 09:12:32	xtao	yep. says .9
2021-05-21 09:12:55	ceri	because if it is then you *might* get away by scp'ing libncursesw.so.8 from a 12.2 image into /lib
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2021-05-21 09:13:17	ceri	xtao: cool
2021-05-21 09:13:41	ceri	Posterdati: and if that does work then the first thing to do is force upgrade all your packages
2021-05-21 09:14:31	xtao	but to do that you need to login
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2021-05-21 12:29:47	iulian115c	VNET_DOMAIN_SET produce me an error on unload of module, any idea why?
2021-05-21 12:30:10	iulian115c	i suspect dom_protosw
2021-05-21 12:30:45	iulian115c	but i do not know for sure and i don't how to check/
2021-05-21 12:30:51	iulian115c	?
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2021-05-21 12:32:46	iulian115c	or do you know some documentation that can help me to understand how VNET_DOMAIN_SET works?
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2021-05-21 12:34:11	iulian115c	unfortunately man has nothing to say about it?
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2021-05-21 12:35:26	ceri	try vnet(9)
2021-05-21 12:36:14	ceri	although there is nothing in there, sorry
2021-05-21 12:39:02	ceri	ok, it's domain(9)
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2021-05-21 14:13:43	_xor	What the hell? My notification bell went off and I check my IRC client, only to be flooded by spam from a bunch of random nicks about how Libre has CP or some shit.
2021-05-21 14:14:18	BinGOs	 /umode +R is your friend
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2021-05-21 14:17:41	last1	UMODE Unknown command
2021-05-21 14:18:01	Dwarf	last1: /mode last1 +R
2021-05-21 14:18:02	_xor	/umode +R <your_nick>
2021-05-21 14:18:15	Dwarf	umode is not a valid IRC command
2021-05-21 14:18:21	Dwarf	only certain IRC clients have it aliased
2021-05-21 14:18:58	_xor	Yeah, you'll have to look it up for your client. I use WeeChat and it has it. I had to look up the user modes though, hadn't looked at them in a looooong time.
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2021-05-21 14:19:03	_xor	Someone mentioned it to me.
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2021-05-21 14:21:58	Feigr	irssi has it too
2021-05-21 14:22:13	Feigr	thanks for the tip
2021-05-21 14:22:17	ek	You can use /quote to send the command to the IRC server.
2021-05-21 14:22:23	Feigr	was getting sick of closing all those pm windows
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2021-05-21 14:22:39	ek	Feigr: Yep. +R is great way to avoid trolls.
2021-05-21 14:26:05	last1	so what are these trolls trying to do ?
2021-05-21 14:26:15	last1	get me to leave freenode by spamming this, or avoiding libera.chat because it has CP ?
2021-05-21 14:26:18	last1	I'm very confused
2021-05-21 14:26:22	Feigr	discredit libera.chat I would guess
2021-05-21 14:26:39	last1	but getting spammed like this on freenode also makes me want to leave freenode
2021-05-21 14:26:45	fullstop	 +R yourself
2021-05-21 14:26:48	last1	it's not a very well thought plan
2021-05-21 14:26:52	fullstop	 /mode yournick +R
2021-05-21 14:27:39	foxiepaws	they are trying to implode both
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2021-05-21 14:28:21	IIIFE	Does FreeBSD have the best driver support out of the four major *BSDs?
2021-05-21 14:28:47	mvanbaak	depends on the hardware you want to use
2021-05-21 14:29:06	IIIFE	My hardware of interest right now is drawing tablets.
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2021-05-21 14:31:04	gawen	if your drawing tablet is, say a Wacom Intuos
2021-05-21 14:31:04	mvanbaak	Personally I would just throw the hardware I'm interested in into the duckduckgo search input, add FreeBSD, and see what comes up
2021-05-21 14:31:07	gawen	it works on FreeBSD
2021-05-21 14:31:19	mvanbaak	but there's probably some official hardware list somewhere
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2021-05-21 14:31:54	IIIFE	Doesn't freebsd have the ability to run linux drivers?
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2021-05-21 14:32:54	gawen	if you mean load linux kernel modules, no
2021-05-21 14:32:54	coolvibe	only for certain devices (webcams via cuse for example)
2021-05-21 14:33:35	gawen	if you mean drivers that are part userspace (like xsane for example), yes, somewhat
2021-05-21 14:33:36	coolvibe	and linux driver code is used for xorg, for example amdgpu, but that's an import of code
2021-05-21 14:33:58	coolvibe	as in drm-kmod
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2021-05-21 14:40:29	coolvibe	by the way, set mode R on your nick if you don't want the spam
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2021-05-21 14:49:06	sig_9	I feel like freenode is being sabotaged
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2021-05-21 14:50:47	et09	https://i.stack.imgur.com/G2Xri.png this is basically correct?  freebsd derives (somehow) from 4.4BSD?
2021-05-21 14:51:34	et09	er 4.3 i guess?
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2021-05-21 14:56:08	et09	koobs: your name came up on google search for this - know anything about freebsd + "framework" brand laptops?
2021-05-21 14:56:52	et09	it might have been a false search result hah
2021-05-21 14:57:23	sig_9	this guy from YT chan iBSD debuts the thinkpad x1 carbon with freebsd: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk9NvmsPBC3lTn_L9kFaylA
2021-05-21 14:58:35	sig_9	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9SPDGynGMQ  <--- here is the x1 carbon this guy is running freebsd and says it works great
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2021-05-21 15:01:29	et09	i feel him about dwm vs. i3.  though using i3 atm (slash sway on this one) out of sheer laziness
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2021-05-21 15:05:15	et09	lenovos i think the specs can be a little anemic sadly
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2021-05-21 15:06:43	et09	hm i take that back, looks like some of them are pretty beefy
2021-05-21 15:08:23	ek	All the Lenovo's I've had for work were really beefy.
2021-05-21 15:08:28	ek	Heavy and large, though.
2021-05-21 15:08:44	et09	that was a concern with me in the past, but WFH for foreseeable future
2021-05-21 15:09:06	ek	Nice. If you're not traveling with them, they're great.
2021-05-21 15:09:17	et09	yeah couple times a year max
2021-05-21 15:09:29	ek	Nothing to worry about then.
2021-05-21 15:09:31	et09	i literally just took my LG laptop apart and put back together last night, to replace the crappy keyboard
2021-05-21 15:09:38	et09	was asking about "framework" laptops for my coworker
2021-05-21 15:09:51	et09	who already bought one.  though i am vaguely considering getting a new laptop
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2021-05-21 15:21:02	sig_9	et09: from a article I've read on the freebsd foundation is that they had some thinkpad x1 carbons donated to them so hopefully those will have full support in the future. I think it is a pretty beefy laptop too.
2021-05-21 15:21:31	@debdrup	They bought some 6th or 7th gen Lenovo X1 Carbons and sent them to FreeBSD developers, yeah.
2021-05-21 15:22:15	et09	nifty
2021-05-21 15:22:23	@debdrup	et09: check out /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree
2021-05-21 15:22:47	@debdrup	(you were talking about the provernance of FreeBSD)
2021-05-21 15:23:26	@debdrup	That file is as correct as it's possible to make something when dealing with ASCII art.. ;)
2021-05-21 15:23:32	sig_9	well if I win the lottery I'll send them every make and model. :)
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2021-05-21 15:24:12	@debdrup	There's a whole bunch of history missing regarding how FreeBSD 1.x had to be made completely inacessible and some files had to be rewritten, but other than that it's pretty accurate.
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2021-05-21 16:13:13	Ampera	Is anyone running FreeBSD on/using Xen? Either as a dom0 or domU? I'm having a major problem with a new system I'm putting together managing only 20MB/s of throughput on the dom0 and domU's (both running FreeBSD)
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2021-05-21 16:16:55	hendursaga	Anyone here use SaltStack? I can't seem to find a doas executor...
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2021-05-21 18:05:46	magixUnix38	Who is using sndio?
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2021-05-21 18:10:24	magixUnix38	Is OSS better than Alsa?
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2021-05-21 18:19:16	FUZxxl	Hi!
2021-05-21 18:19:21	FUZxxl	I need some programming help with signals
2021-05-21 18:19:32	FUZxxl	When a signal is delivered to a process
2021-05-21 18:19:40	FUZxxl	and a signal handler exists and the signal is not blocked
2021-05-21 18:19:52	FUZxxl	how exactly is the stack set up to start the signal handler?
2021-05-21 18:19:57	FUZxxl	The architecture in question is arm64
2021-05-21 18:20:12	FUZxxl	I would like to know this because I'm working on a Forth system with a custom ABI
2021-05-21 18:22:38	RhodiumToad	well, the handler is called as if it were a C function, but the previous machine state is saved in more detail than usual
2021-05-21 18:23:14	FUZxxl	I noticed that some registers are corrupted
2021-05-21 18:23:30	FUZxxl	how exactly is the previous state saved?
2021-05-21 18:23:42	FUZxxl	sorry, the machine is armv7, not arm64
2021-05-21 18:23:51	RhodiumToad	what registeres are corrupted?
2021-05-21 18:24:24	FUZxxl	r7
2021-05-21 18:24:42	FUZxxl	on this particular ABI, r7 points to a secondary stack
2021-05-21 18:24:47	FUZxxl	and apparently, it doesn't do so anymore
2021-05-21 18:25:32	FUZxxl	when inside the signal handler
2021-05-21 18:25:50	FUZxxl	I would like to understand what the exact stack effect of entering a signal handler is
2021-05-21 18:25:54	FUZxxl	and how the signal return is handled
2021-05-21 18:26:11	RhodiumToad	basically it goes like this
2021-05-21 18:27:38	RhodiumToad	the old machine state (all registers, whatever their normal ABI status, including vfp/neon registers) is saved to the stack
2021-05-21 18:28:46	FUZxxl	so far so good
2021-05-21 18:28:56	RhodiumToad	then the registers are set up to invoke the function, with a return address that points to a trampoline that calls back into the kernel
2021-05-21 18:29:28	RhodiumToad	the kernel returns to user mode into the signal handler
2021-05-21 18:29:58	FUZxxl	where is the trampoline?
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2021-05-21 18:34:21	RhodiumToad	that's actually in libc somewhere
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2021-05-21 18:35:04	FUZxxl	I have no libc
2021-05-21 18:35:21	RhodiumToad	how are you doing system calls?
2021-05-21 18:35:23	FUZxxl	the program is statically linked and does not use the libc
2021-05-21 18:35:25	FUZxxl	directly
2021-05-21 18:35:29	FUZxxl	with an swi instruction
2021-05-21 18:37:17	RhodiumToad	your program is an ELF image?
2021-05-21 18:37:49	FUZxxl	yes
2021-05-21 18:38:29	RhodiumToad	what freebsd version?
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2021-05-21 18:40:07	FUZxxl	13.0
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2021-05-21 18:41:00	RhodiumToad	it looks like the kernel copies the relevant code to a spot in the initial stack
2021-05-21 18:42:10	RhodiumToad	so the place to look is sendsig() in sys/arm/arm/machdep.c
2021-05-21 18:42:31	RhodiumToad	it sets up tf->tf_usr_lr
2021-05-21 18:42:52	RhodiumToad	(tf is the trapframe, which contains the user-mode machine state)
2021-05-21 18:47:01	FUZxxl	ok
2021-05-21 18:47:19	FUZxxl	and where is the trampoline?
2021-05-21 18:47:21	RhodiumToad	the actual code seems to be "sigcode" in arm/arm/locore-v6.S
2021-05-21 18:48:38	RhodiumToad	which does use r7, but that in itself shouldn't be an issue since it'll be restoring the previous r7 when returning to user mode from sigreturn
2021-05-21 18:48:51	FUZxxl	what I mean is
2021-05-21 18:49:03	FUZxxl	it seems that while the signal handler is running,
2021-05-21 18:49:05	FUZxxl	r7 is trashed
2021-05-21 18:49:08	FUZxxl	but this is hard to check
2021-05-21 18:49:14	RhodiumToad	that's quite possible
2021-05-21 18:49:21	FUZxxl	because I can't seem to set a breakpoint on r7
2021-05-21 18:49:23	RhodiumToad	what's the normal status of r7 in the abi?
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2021-05-21 18:49:33	FUZxxl	in our ABI it points to the data stack
2021-05-21 18:49:40	FUZxxl	in the EABI it's callee saved
2021-05-21 18:49:48	RhodiumToad	hm
2021-05-21 18:49:49	FUZxxl	so can be trashed by the trap frame
2021-05-21 18:50:04	FUZxxl	it is hard to check if this is really the case though
2021-05-21 18:50:17	RhodiumToad	did you mean caller-saved?
2021-05-21 18:51:03	FUZxxl	callee saved
2021-05-21 18:51:05	RhodiumToad	anyway, as far as I know there's no guarantee that r7 in the signal handler will be preserved from the point at which the signal was taken
2021-05-21 18:51:18	FUZxxl	as in, a normal C function may not assume any particular value from it
2021-05-21 18:51:23	FUZxxl	and will preserve its contents
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2021-05-21 18:51:32	FUZxxl	it is hard to check
2021-05-21 18:51:36	FUZxxl	since gdb absolutely refuses
2021-05-21 18:51:43	FUZxxl	to set a breakpoint on the signal handler
2021-05-21 18:51:46	FUZxxl	I do not understand it
2021-05-21 18:51:49	FUZxxl	if I force it,
2021-05-21 18:51:53	FUZxxl	it just steps past it
2021-05-21 18:51:59	FUZxxl	if I add a bkpt instruction,
2021-05-21 18:52:04	FUZxxl	it gets a SIGBUS for some reason
2021-05-21 18:54:37	FUZxxl	oh
2021-05-21 18:54:42	FUZxxl	I think I get waht the problem is
2021-05-21 18:54:44	FUZxxl	so stupid
2021-05-21 18:54:49	RhodiumToad	?
2021-05-21 18:54:55	FUZxxl	thanks for your help
2021-05-21 18:55:00	FUZxxl	I made a wrong assumption
2021-05-21 18:55:06	RhodiumToad	which was?
2021-05-21 18:56:01	FUZxxl	that r7 has the right value
2021-05-21 18:56:04	FUZxxl	which it doesn't at this point
2021-05-21 18:56:07	FUZxxl	it's quite silly
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2021-05-21 18:58:05	RhodiumToad	ah
2021-05-21 18:58:29	RhodiumToad	for system calls r7 is the system call number, yes?
2021-05-21 18:58:41	FUZxxl	yes
2021-05-21 18:58:41	RhodiumToad	so if you're signalled during a system call...
2021-05-21 18:58:46	FUZxxl	indeed
2021-05-21 18:58:49	FUZxxl	it is quite silly
2021-05-21 18:59:00	FUZxxl	so perhaps I have to block signals during system calls
2021-05-21 18:59:03	FUZxxl	or find some other solution
2021-05-21 18:59:23	RhodiumToad	blocking signals isn't feasible since one of the primary uses for signals is interrupting system calls
2021-05-21 18:59:28	FUZxxl	yes yes
2021-05-21 18:59:33	FUZxxl	I'm thinking of having a variable
2021-05-21 18:59:48	FUZxxl	that goes to 1 if the stack has temporarily been displaced to another register
2021-05-21 18:59:53	FUZxxl	but: that doesn't nest unfortunately
2021-05-21 19:00:22	RhodiumToad	do you have to use r7?
2021-05-21 19:00:38	FUZxxl	it's hard coded all over the place
2021-05-21 19:00:43	FUZxxl	it will be hard to change
2021-05-21 19:01:06	FUZxxl	(technically it's a macro and I can redefine it, but instructions like PUSH and so on have an idea of what order registers occur in)
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2021-05-21 19:02:30	RhodiumToad	how can a signal handler access the data stack safely anyway?
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2021-05-21 19:02:46	FUZxxl	the same way it can access the normal stack safely
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2021-05-21 19:07:59	RhodiumToad	I guess if it messes anything up that's just the programmer's fault
2021-05-21 19:08:29	FUZxxl	yeah
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2021-05-21 20:40:06	SpaceBass	Just did something dumb (and not even for the first time today)...
2021-05-21 20:40:57	SpaceBass	On a new raspberry pi install, which has a user 'freebsd' that can su - into root, I added a new user and deleted that default user. But it seems my new user cannot su -
2021-05-21 20:41:15	SpaceBass	Is there any way to fix this without going to the physical machine's console? I didn't enable root ssh access...
2021-05-21 20:41:26	SpaceBass	I can log in as my new user, but that new user can su - into root
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2021-05-21 20:52:48	@zi	SpaceBass: need console or an account in the wheel group
2021-05-21 20:52:51	@koobs	SpaceBass: single user
2021-05-21 20:52:55	@zi	SpaceBass: by default, cant su without being in wheel
2021-05-21 20:53:00	@koobs	or what zi mentioned
2021-05-21 20:53:09	 *	SpaceBass slaps forehead 
2021-05-21 20:53:14	@zi	happens man
2021-05-21 20:53:21	SpaceBass	I appreciate the security though
2021-05-21 20:53:43	@zi	other things to ponder: sudo, backup serial console
2021-05-21 20:53:52	SpaceBass	I was _right_ about to also join a domain and add sudo an set the domain admins as a sudo group...should have done that first
2021-05-21 20:54:11	SpaceBass	At least the box in question is local.... Just have to go hook it up to a KVM
2021-05-21 20:54:38	SpaceBass	(This is all to say that I'm feeling lazy and don't want to get up from me seat and beer at the moment, find cables, etc)
2021-05-21 20:56:05	@zi	sounds like a tomorrow project to me
2021-05-21 20:58:22	last1	I have a SuperMicro 2U hot-swap chassis ( 1 of many ) and tonight when I added a new disk while the system was running, FreeBSD completely freaked out
2021-05-21 20:59:50	last1	https://pastebin.com/WZ6yNEz1
2021-05-21 21:00:58	last1	the server works very well otherwise. the only thing I noticed weird is the name of the disks, it's diskid/DISK-PHY in the zpools
2021-05-21 21:01:07	last1	whereas on the other servers it's da1..2,etc
2021-05-21 21:03:08	last1	the other servers also appear to be using mps0 controller but this one is on mpr0
2021-05-21 21:03:11	last1	not sure what the difference is
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2021-05-21 21:05:24	last1	ah, it's the 12gb controller, checked against another server that has the same and it's mpr0 too
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2021-05-21 21:17:11	SpaceBass	Interesting! Which part is the ZFS layer (identifying the disk, etc) and which part is the controller (making the disk available...) ?
2021-05-21 21:17:24	SpaceBass	I guess Im surprised the controller would make a difference
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2021-05-21 21:34:55	last1	yeah, I don't get it. the mps driver shows the disk as da* to the ZFS, the mpr shows it as diskid/DISK-PHYF839600DJ3P8EGN%20%20
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2021-05-21 22:17:51	et09	part of me wants to play with creating an init system for linux
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2021-05-21 22:18:58	et09	so kind of researching what different init systems (the misc rc/runit/etc. for linux, and the bsd ones) behave like
2021-05-21 22:19:48	et09	which really i don't know enough about
2021-05-21 22:19:53	et09	even after many years
2021-05-21 22:20:19	@koobs	seen s6?
2021-05-21 22:20:21	@koobs	looks good
2021-05-21 22:20:32	et09	seen the name at least
2021-05-21 22:20:33	@koobs	i wanted to ask them whether they support freebsd in practice or could in principle
2021-05-21 22:20:36	@koobs	worth checking out
2021-05-21 22:20:53	et09	i reckon it could, says posix-compliant
2021-05-21 22:20:57	@koobs	yep
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2021-05-21 22:33:15	@koobs	et09: https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/s6/
2021-05-21 22:33:36	@koobs	give it a go? :)
2021-05-21 22:33:49	@koobs	This software will run on any operating system that implements
2021-05-21 22:33:50	@koobs	POSIX.1-2008, available at:
2021-05-21 22:33:52	@koobs	lovely.
2021-05-21 22:34:17	et09	too scared
2021-05-21 22:34:28	@koobs	spare vm :D
2021-05-21 22:34:36	et09	don't know how to vm on freebsd yet
2021-05-21 22:34:57	@koobs	https://qbsd.io/getting-started-with-s6-rc-on-freebsd.html
2021-05-21 22:35:02	@koobs	mmmmm
2021-05-21 22:35:18	@koobs	Next step: start experimenting with s6-svscan replacing /sbin/init.
2021-05-21 22:35:20	@koobs	ha
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2021-05-21 22:35:35	et09	i mean i like the freebsd init system lol
2021-05-21 22:35:38	@koobs	https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers/2016-August/049910.html
2021-05-21 22:35:49	et09	more likely to experiment with an s6 linux in a linux vm
2021-05-21 22:36:01	et09	i can't really fully escape linux
2021-05-21 22:36:11	et09	responsibilities and such
2021-05-21 22:36:20	@koobs	https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/jhykan/s6_init_how_to_get_it_working/
2021-05-21 22:36:22	@koobs	sure
2021-05-21 22:42:53	parv	In a kernel configuration file, are files included recursively or only at 1 level?
2021-05-21 22:43:04	@koobs	parv: example?
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2021-05-21 22:43:06	_xor	omg
2021-05-21 22:43:17	 *	_xor is reviewing the 13.0-RELEASE notes in more detail
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2021-05-21 22:43:45	_xor	Just saw ${name}_env works now.  I was wondering why my rc script was screwing up and what I was doing wrong.
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2021-05-21 22:45:10	parv	koobs: currently INVM includes MINIMAL. As FreeBSD boots under EFI here, I am writing another file, INVM-efi, to exclude syscons bits. In INVM-efi, I would just like to include INVM and possibly creating a close copy of INVM.
2021-05-21 22:45:17	@koobs	oh
2021-05-21 22:45:27	@koobs	parv: not sure
2021-05-21 22:46:03	parv	koobs, aye. Only one way to find out is to build ...
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2021-05-21 22:47:06	parv	s/and possibly creating a close copy/and possibly not create a close copy/
2021-05-21 22:47:15	@koobs	parv: yah, there may also be some make targets that display/list config things ?
2021-05-21 22:47:40	@koobs	parv: could also introduce a syntax error in the recursuive config, and see if it 'breaks'
2021-05-21 22:48:04	parv	koobs, right. Thanks for the hints.
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2021-05-21 23:31:48	parv	Kernel linking failed with "undefined symbol: vesa_{un,}load_ioctl" after compiling a kernel with "nodevice sc"; retrying with "nooptions vesa" ...
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2021-05-22 01:36:43	parv	... Ok, needed to avoid vga device too, along with sv & vesa option.
2021-05-22 01:36:51	parv	s/sv/sc/
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2021-05-22 03:44:11	FUZxxl	Do system calls change any register besides the output register?
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2021-05-22 03:54:52	FUZxxl	thanks
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2021-05-22 04:37:57	TheBeastie	FUZxxl: system calls are like normal function calls.... register change depends on the ABI
2021-05-22 04:38:29	FUZxxl	TheBeastie: yeah, I kinda figured that out
2021-05-22 04:38:39	FUZxxl	with some asterisks
2021-05-22 04:38:39	TheBeastie	only asynchronous interruptions must preserve the cpu state.
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2021-05-22 04:39:30	TheBeastie	the asterisks come because of the trap instruction that must be executed in order to switch context to kernel mode.
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2021-05-22 04:40:15	TheBeastie	you can study the freebsd specific system call mechanism in the kernel sources and also in the system calls library.
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2021-05-22 04:47:14	toro	Hello all! I installed FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE recently. I am presented with a virtual terminal which has really big fonts. How do I change font and font size?
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2021-05-22 04:54:21	TheBeastie	please, define what kind of virtual terminal you were presented.... first.
2021-05-22 04:55:08	TheBeastie	(also what do you mean for "really big fonts", please)
2021-05-22 04:55:19	toro	vtty0
2021-05-22 04:55:37	TheBeastie	do they fit in the screen to make a 24 lines of 80 characters each?
2021-05-22 04:55:58	toro	I guess, that's right.
2021-05-22 04:56:31	toro	I want to change it to small size.
2021-05-22 04:56:46	TheBeastie	well... then that's what I have.... I switched to a NVidia card to be able to use OpenGL, and on switching the driver I lost the small text fonts of the console.
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2021-05-22 04:57:25	TheBeastie	try vidcontrol
2021-05-22 04:57:32	TheBeastie	man vidcontrol
2021-05-22 04:58:23	toro	Vidcontrol not showing any results. When I type "vidcontrol -i mode", It lists nothing!
2021-05-22 04:58:29	TheBeastie	but freebsd tries to select the maximum resolution that the video card/monitor can offer to you.... have you installed freebsd for the first time?
2021-05-22 04:58:41	toro	Yes!
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2021-05-22 04:59:11	TheBeastie	then probably your bios is not VESA compliant... or you have not installed the vesa module for the video card.
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2021-05-22 05:00:04	TheBeastie	hmmm... what video card do you have and what resolution does your monitor support?
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2021-05-22 05:00:47	toro	I have old nvidia card. I think Nvidia Geforce 105M
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2021-05-22 05:02:07	TheBeastie	hmmm... have you installed the nvidia drivers?
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2021-05-22 05:02:40	toro	No. This is fresh install.
2021-05-22 05:03:42	TheBeastie	ok.... do you want to install the nvidia driver or continue with a vga driver?
2021-05-22 05:04:08	TheBeastie	(i mean the driver development by nvida)
2021-05-22 05:04:19	TheBeastie	s/development/developed/
2021-05-22 05:04:32	toro	I would like to install open-source Nvidia driver if it has any.
2021-05-22 05:05:20	TheBeastie	nvidia has supported their cards and drivers for freebsd and there's a driver in the ports to install the original nvidia drivers into the kernel.
2021-05-22 05:05:37	TheBeastie	I installed it like one month ago.
2021-05-22 05:06:06	toro	How did you installed Nvidia driver?
2021-05-22 05:06:10	TheBeastie	(i needed it to use FreeCAD and Cura software for 3D printing)
2021-05-22 05:06:23	TheBeastie	there's a port package....
2021-05-22 05:06:50	toro	What package?
2021-05-22 05:07:39	TheBeastie	but.... I need to warn you.... your console will not get more than 25x80, but X11 will full use OpenGL on your card... .I have a Quadro FX 570
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2021-05-22 05:08:37	toro	So I need to install X11 to use the graphics card?
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2021-05-22 05:09:24	TheBeastie	no.... console works fine... but you don't get (or at least I don't still know how) higher text resolution than 80x25 in the consoles.
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2021-05-22 05:10:25	TheBeastie	you can switch the background/foregrownd colors.... I don't know (not tried) to install custom fonts in the screen, but you cannot switch modes (mode info appears empty, as you got)
2021-05-22 05:11:09	TheBeastie	if nvida has some vesa modes somewhere, the bios calls are not exposed to freebsd.
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2021-05-22 05:11:48	toro	Uh-mmm. How to change color? (fg: amber bg: black)
2021-05-22 05:12:09	TheBeastie	try vidcontrol
2021-05-22 05:12:21	toro	Okay.
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2021-05-22 05:12:46	TheBeastie	vidcontrol uses ioctl calls to change things... some of them work, some don't..... but screen colors (b/f) is somethng that works.
2021-05-22 05:13:24	TheBeastie	for example.... calls to call the cursow shape.... or blinking mode... don't.
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2021-05-22 05:13:45	TheBeastie	but that is something I can live with, as I use X11 almost all time.
2021-05-22 05:14:28	toro	As far as I know vidcontrol changes things temporary. How to make changes done by vidcontrol permanent?
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2021-05-22 05:15:27	TheBeastie	I have a main board Intel card available... but the bios don't allow me to use both cards at the same time... I don't actually know the reason.... as the computer is a Dell Optiflex.... there should be no reason to avoid using both cards if you have the resources to do it.
2021-05-22 05:16:12	TheBeastie	toro: to make them permanent... configure them in rc.conf.... let me check the parameter for you, as I have already done that.
2021-05-22 05:16:37	toro	Great! Thanks.
2021-05-22 05:17:22	TheBeastie	the parameter allscreens_flags (man rc.conf) allows you to configure all screens with the same appearance.... and in the same manual place you will get all the other related config parameters you can use.
2021-05-22 05:18:09	TheBeastie	if that parameter is defined, the boot calls vidcontrol on all screens with the parameters you put in the configuration parameter.
2021-05-22 05:19:47	toro	Cool. For how many years do you use FreeBSD?
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2021-05-22 05:23:34	TheBeastie	toro: I've used freebsd for 5 or 6, but i'm using unix continously since 1987, and I've found BSDishes for long time in hp-ux and aix
2021-05-22 05:24:42	toro	Nice. Do you use any Linux distro?
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2021-05-22 05:25:08	TheBeastie	I've used linux for years... until they introduced the systemd process that changed everything.
2021-05-22 05:25:50	TheBeastie	then I stopped feeling confortable in linux and abandoned it... I use it now when I want to try something or develop something that is linux specific
2021-05-22 05:27:01	TheBeastie	short ago I had to write a C program to detect which partitions and filesystems are near to get full, and print directories on those partitions to search for files to erase....
2021-05-22 05:27:40	TheBeastie	I started writing things in Freebsd, but I had to switch to linux, as both use very differnt approaches to get the list of mounted filesystems.
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2021-05-22 05:30:23	ialokin	two different commands with two different outputs :P what would you expect ;P¨
2021-05-22 05:31:00	TheBeastie	ialokin: I don't understand what you mean, can you elaborate?
2021-05-22 05:32:09	toro	TheBeastie: Why do you think your C program must run on different Operating Systems?
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2021-05-22 05:33:58	TheBeastie	nope.... i assumed that, as both systems are posix, both systems have a common way to get (using system calls) the list of actually mounted filesystems, and be compatible... but linux has no system call to get the list of mounted filesystems... you have to read and parse /proc/mounts
2021-05-22 05:34:18	TheBeastie	while freebsd has a system call that gives you the list.
2021-05-22 05:34:30	FUZxxl	you could write a wrapper for Linux
2021-05-22 05:34:40	FUZxxl	that emulates getfsstat and getmntinfo
2021-05-22 05:34:49	TheBeastie	yes... you can read the output (which is posix) of df command....
2021-05-22 05:35:02	FUZxxl	that too
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2021-05-22 05:36:05	TheBeastie	FUZxxl: I need to start by saying this is not a problem I have... I solved the problem some time ago and the program is working happy in our systems....
2021-05-22 05:36:19	FUZxxl	cool
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2021-05-22 05:36:33	TheBeastie	I was explaining about my legacy use of FreeBSD.
2021-05-22 05:37:17	ialokin	TheBeastie: my point was that linux is not bsd :) like bsd is not windows
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2021-05-22 05:37:33	TheBeastie	I was asked by toro after I gave him some hints on how to configure the initial screens at bootstrap.
2021-05-22 05:37:55	ialokin	but bbl :) I need a cigarette and some time away from the screen ;)
2021-05-22 05:38:13	TheBeastie	ialokin: I agree.... they have even quite different origins.... I use BSD derived systems since well ago... (1987)
2021-05-22 05:38:28	TheBeastie	there was no linux at all in 1987
2021-05-22 05:39:16	toro	TheBeastie: Based on your experience, Do you like BSD or Linux?
2021-05-22 05:39:45	Acacia	what is the proper way to randomize the mac address of a network card? I can't seeem to find the right "ifconfig_wlan0_(setting)" to stick "ether random" in
2021-05-22 05:40:00	TheBeastie	but hp-ux (which claimed to be sys v compliant at that time, had a lot of incoming material coming from BSD systems)
2021-05-22 05:40:15	FUZxxl	TheBeastie: interestingly enough, there are now accessor functions to parse mtab for you
2021-05-22 05:40:15	TheBeastie	and this also happened to AIX
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2021-05-22 05:41:10	TheBeastie	FUZxxl: but mtab is a static file..... and the information I want is not static at all... I want to know what filesystems are mounted *now* to see which ones are in danger of getting full *now*
2021-05-22 05:41:29	FUZxxl	TheBeastie: iirc mtab is where Linux writes the current mount info
2021-05-22 05:41:33	FUZxxl	fstab is the static file
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2021-05-22 05:41:52	TheBeastie	next step is to do statfs calls to all of them to check for full (or near full) filesystems.
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2021-05-22 05:42:20	FUZxxl	on modern Linux systems, /etc/mtab might be a link to /proc/mounts I guess
2021-05-22 05:42:53	FUZxxl	ah yes it goes to /proc/self/mounts
2021-05-22 05:43:04	TheBeastie	both systems have a statvfs call to get that... but linux returns no indication of the name of the partition or the name of the mounted directory that is there.... so finally you have to go to /proc/mounts
2021-05-22 05:43:21	TheBeastie	yes.... it is.
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2021-05-22 05:44:34	TheBeastie	the thing is that is started writing the whole thing on Freebsd because i normally don't have a linux system running all the day at home.... but soon, I had to switch because the idiosyncrazies of linux.
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2021-05-22 05:45:01	TheBeastie	and that was the anecdote, and why I sometimes need to start a linux system.
2021-05-22 05:45:57	TheBeastie	but I normally use linux at work.... for compatibility reasons.... but at home I use BSD systems exclusively (for stability and confortability reasons)
2021-05-22 05:46:48	TheBeastie	I started using unix when the X11 server still give you a default grey background (not black as it gives now)
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2021-05-22 05:50:41	pstef_	TheBeastie: is there anything you would like to see ported to FreeBSD from AIX or HP-UX?
2021-05-22 05:51:05	TheBeastie	hahahaha... Openview Network Node Manager
2021-05-22 05:51:29	pstef_	phew, I was afraid you would mention wpars :)
2021-05-22 05:51:46	TheBeastie	I think I have never used wpars
2021-05-22 05:53:18	TheBeastie	I wrote (by request) a version of the tree command to see a filesystem tree in line-chars form....
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2021-05-22 05:53:43	TheBeastie	like this:
2021-05-22 05:53:48	TheBeastie	lcu@europa:~/mail$ tree
2021-05-22 05:53:50	TheBeastie	[drwx------]── .
2021-05-22 05:53:52	TheBeastie	[-rw-------]   ├ saved-messages
2021-05-22 05:53:54	TheBeastie	[-rw-------]   ├ sent-mail
2021-05-22 05:53:56	TheBeastie	[-rw-------]   ├ sent-mail-apr-2021
2021-05-22 05:53:58	TheBeastie	[-rw-------]   └ sent-mail-aug-2020
2021-05-22 05:54:27	TheBeastie	i was plannig to offer it as a port for freebsd, and several other small tools.
2021-05-22 05:56:12	TheBeastie	you have the same info as you get from ls but in different format (no support yet for ACLs or flags) and even it has a manual page.
2021-05-22 05:57:10	TheBeastie	you have it in github if you want to give it a try.
2021-05-22 05:57:17	pstef_	well, there is a utility with the name tree already, so you would have to propose it under a different name
2021-05-22 05:57:38	TheBeastie	no problem on that.
2021-05-22 05:58:16	TheBeastie	but tree is not a system tool, as it doesn't appear on my system... this is the reason I selected that name....
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2021-05-22 05:58:30	pstef_	I mean the port, sysutils/tree
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2021-05-22 05:59:02	TheBeastie	but you know, programmers the most difficult task they face every day is to select appropiate names to all the things they have to name.
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2021-05-22 06:00:45	TheBeastie	it doesn't appear as a package....
2021-05-22 06:01:01	TheBeastie	pkg info tree doesn't give me anything.
2021-05-22 06:01:17	TheBeastie	but there's no problem on that....
2021-05-22 06:01:27	RhodiumToad	that means you don't have it installed
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2021-05-22 06:01:58	TheBeastie	it-s the same thing....
2021-05-22 06:02:07	TheBeastie	:)
2021-05-22 06:02:20	TheBeastie	let's call it ntree :)
2021-05-22 06:03:06	TheBeastie	and there's another ytree that does the same.
2021-05-22 06:03:37	TheBeastie	mine was the result of a c programming class example.
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2021-05-22 06:03:44	TheBeastie	but it is quite complete.
2021-05-22 06:04:19	parv	TheBeastie, does your version list the size of files and/or directories?
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2021-05-22 06:05:34	TheBeastie	it lists everything that unix ls does (modes, links, inode number, size, date, owner, group, cration time.... it depends on the options)
2021-05-22 06:05:53	TheBeastie	by default it prints the modes set ant the tree (with the names)
2021-05-22 06:06:09	TheBeastie	even for links it prints the -> target name
2021-05-22 06:06:09	parv	TheBeastie: then I would to try that.
2021-05-22 06:06:28	parv	s/would to/would like to/
2021-05-22 06:06:32	TheBeastie	you have it in github.... https://github.com/mojadita/tree
2021-05-22 06:07:34	TheBeastie	just make and make install (by default prefix is set to your home directory, so you don't need to be root and install it globally)
2021-05-22 06:07:49	TheBeastie	(or directly make install)
2021-05-22 06:08:13	TheBeastie	it has a simple Makefile, no configure or autotools used.  It was a project for a C programming class.
2021-05-22 06:08:44	TheBeastie	(well, more a C programming lecture, but it was not written at all)
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2021-05-22 06:12:28	parv	TheBeastie, I tried. Thanks.
2021-05-22 06:12:37	TheBeastie	did you like it?
2021-05-22 06:12:51	TheBeastie	you got a manual page... so you can try all the options.
2021-05-22 06:14:48	parv	TheBeastie, as you mentioned tree behaves somewhat like ls. Option being toggled was something new ...
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2021-05-22 06:16:08	parv	TheBeastie, I had to see if specifying the same option (even number) would turn it off --- indeed that did.
2021-05-22 06:16:47	TheBeastie	yes.... option is toggling, and no support for long ooptions is made.
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2021-05-22 06:20:21	parv	TheBeastie, in the manual page & help output, you could replace "This option" with "It" or nothing.
2021-05-22 06:20:43	TheBeastie	I'll do
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2021-05-22 06:25:59	TheBeastie	done
2021-05-22 06:26:23	parv	That was fast!
2021-05-22 06:26:24	TheBeastie	thanks parv
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2021-05-22 06:26:54	TheBeastie	fortunately your proposal was just a vi command to make a global change.
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2021-05-22 06:27:36	TheBeastie	i agree with you that there's a lot of repeated text in that help.... I'm not native english speaker and I do many mistakes when writing doc.
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2021-05-22 06:28:21	TheBeastie	sometimes when I read it later I get the thing myself, but others, I'm told, as you did now.
2021-05-22 06:28:33	parv	TheBeastie, you had already done the work to do a global change in vi.
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2021-05-22 06:29:07	TheBeastie	hahahaah.... I'm teaching a user who wants to learn ed(1)
2021-05-22 06:29:28	TheBeastie	and  he tries to do all editing with ed....
2021-05-22 06:29:46	TheBeastie	(i think I'm learning some ed also)
2021-05-22 06:30:01	parv	why?! O' the torture!
2021-05-22 06:30:23	RhodiumToad	learning ed is a good idea
2021-05-22 06:30:43	TheBeastie	but I learnt unix then it still have no vi (it was announced as some extraordinary feature in some systems derived from Berkeley unix)
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2021-05-22 06:30:55	parv	Learning ed is one thing. Insisting its use is another.
2021-05-22 06:31:06	TheBeastie	yes.... I agree with you RhodiumToad
2021-05-22 06:31:09	RhodiumToad	doing everything in it is a good way to learn it
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2021-05-22 06:32:14	TheBeastie	and if you sometime need to work on a pdp-11, then you had better to know it, because vi doesn't fit in it's 64kb virtual address space.
2021-05-22 06:32:54	RhodiumToad	the main reason to know ed is that you're not helpless when stuck in single-user on a serial console
2021-05-22 06:33:10	TheBeastie	and fortunately, there must be a maintainer for it in freebsd because it is still there :)
2021-05-22 06:34:33	TheBeastie	i know another... it has a simple and easy to handle interface if you need to edit a file from a program to do some complex task that is not easy done (as deleting or inserting lines,...)
2021-05-22 06:35:57	TheBeastie	i wrote a navigable C beautifier in html and i used (ex, not ed) to do the string substitution to make the targets of the <a> links of the code, collected from a tags file.
2021-05-22 06:36:12	 *	parv once wrote a C++ program with few rudimentary commands similar to ed as a linked list project. Needless to say it was not efficient with its use of memory which certainly never was the point.
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2021-05-22 06:37:36	TheBeastie	It's still there and i have tested it with a ctags (made with exhuberant ctags) file on the full linux source tree.
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2021-05-22 07:21:59	Xiatian	can someone remind me which tunables are for max number of swap pages? for cases where you Really Have a Lot of Swap Space but the system does not use it all
2021-05-22 07:23:23	RhodiumToad	maxswzone is what limits how much swap space the kernel can actually use, but "out of swap space" kills are usually nothing to do with swap space
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2021-05-22 07:31:18	TheBeastie	Xiatian: the system uses swap only for swap.... so it is the total amount of swap what marks the limit... if you have some swap the system doesn;t use... there's no tunable that can make it use it.
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2021-05-22 07:32:40	TheBeastie	so probably I have misunderstood your question or you are misunderstanding something in the system.
2021-05-22 07:34:03	RhodiumToad	TheBeastie: maxswzone limits the amount of metadata allocated for swap, which limits the amount of swap that can be used
2021-05-22 07:34:23	Xiatian	RhodiumToad: thanks
2021-05-22 07:35:04	Xiatian	TheBeastie: I definitely encountered a situation where I added 32 GB of swap (a new VHDX) and the OS only used 8 GB out of that
2021-05-22 07:35:17	Xiatian	and I think maxswzone was indeed what I had to change
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2021-05-22 07:35:27	TheBeastie	RhodiumToad: you're right..... but you can continue adding swap by not making your swap partitions bigger than some value.
2021-05-22 07:35:44	RhodiumToad	TheBeastie: not so
2021-05-22 07:35:56	TheBeastie	no?
2021-05-22 07:36:09	RhodiumToad	TheBeastie: maxswzone limits the total amount of swap space that can be used
2021-05-22 07:36:24	RhodiumToad	not the total per device or partition, the total system-wide
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2021-05-22 07:36:41	TheBeastie	is that a top global value?
2021-05-22 07:36:45	Xiatian	was kern.maxswzone behaviour changed in 13? it seems like it is 0 on all of my systems now
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2021-05-22 07:36:55	Xiatian	but it was not 0 on 12
2021-05-22 07:37:39	TheBeastie	anyway you can tweak it to use more swap..... not to limit how much the system should use.
2021-05-22 07:38:16	 *	Xiatian shrugs
2021-05-22 07:38:18	TheBeastie	on my system is also 0
2021-05-22 07:38:27	Xiatian	I mean errors like "warning: total configured swap (1116672 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (855904 pages)."
2021-05-22 07:39:00	RhodiumToad	it shows up as 0 if it's not set in loader.conf
2021-05-22 07:39:12	RhodiumToad	if it's set to 0, the actual value in effect is computed
2021-05-22 07:39:25	TheBeastie	that means that you have created a too big partition... to be able to use it complete, you need then to change that value, I assume.
2021-05-22 07:40:14	TheBeastie	I think you can increase the recommended value to match the total configured swap.
2021-05-22 07:40:23	RhodiumToad	n = maxswzone != 0 ? maxswzone / sizeof(struct swblk) : vm_cnt.v_page_count / 2;
2021-05-22 07:41:03	RhodiumToad	swap_maxpages = n * SWAP_META_PAGES;
2021-05-22 07:42:12	RhodiumToad	SWAP_META_PAGES is 8 on 32-bit and 16 on 64-bit
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2021-05-22 07:48:31	RhodiumToad	sizeof(struct swblk) is I think 72 on 32-bit and 136 on 64-bit
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2021-05-22 08:08:44	FUZxxl	something is still in disarray here
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2021-05-22 08:12:03	RhodiumToad	?
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2021-05-22 08:15:27	FUZxxl	there's some sort of corruptionj in my signal handling code
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2021-05-22 08:49:45	DaRock	hey guys
2021-05-22 08:50:01	DaRock	vnet jails - couple of queries...
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2021-05-22 08:50:46	DaRock	does the vnet interface normally get dropped back to host if a nested jail is stopped, etc?
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2021-05-22 08:53:45	DaRock	and how do I get devfs mounted in a nested jail? I'm currently getting "nestedjail: run command as root: /sbin/mount -t devfs -oruleset=4 . /path/to/jail/path/to/nestedjail/dev \
2021-05-22 08:53:45	DaRock	mount: .: Operation not permitted" with allow.mount and allow.mount.devfs in jail.conf on the host for the parent jail
2021-05-22 08:54:37	DaRock	same settings as for poudriere in jail, but they don't work here :-/
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2021-05-22 09:00:05	DaRock	ok - even weirder: apparently its the -oruleset=4 that breaks everything. WTF?
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2021-05-22 09:51:07	weust	I am trying to use pw with "-h 0" but for some reason the password (from echo piped before the pw command) is put in it's entirity(spelling?) as the password. What am I missing here? https://pastebin.com/qxis28pH (the password is test1234 as I am just trying things atm)
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2021-05-22 09:52:08	weust	ffs. I need to use -H, not h. sigh. always after I ask
2021-05-22 09:52:43	weust	got it
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2021-05-22 10:06:11	DaRock	trying again I tried running service devfs restart and get this in the jail: devfs rule: ioctl DEVFSIO_RGETNEXT: Operation not permitted
2021-05-22 10:06:36	DaRock	followed by: /etc/rc.d/devfs: WARNING: devfs_init_rulesets: could not read rules from /etc/defaults/devfs.rules
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2021-05-22 10:16:23	sy	Hi everyone, any ideas why rtsold doesn't add this route here? https://0x0.st/-eLf.txt
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2021-05-22 10:57:24	cation21	in case anyone has not seen it - https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse
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2021-05-22 10:59:30	andreas303	Hi folks! Is it still considered a bad idea, for performance reasons, to have swap under encrypted zfs instead of under encrypted geli?
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2021-05-22 12:09:27	R2COM	is it good idea to use sudo on freebsd or no
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2021-05-22 12:14:19	Xiatian	sy: your configuration does not make much sense
2021-05-22 12:14:35	Xiatian	at least at first glance
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2021-05-22 12:15:29	Xiatian	sy: if all these commands are run on the same host, you seem to receive a RA with the default gateway that has the same LLA as your host
2021-05-22 12:15:46	Xiatian	and you are pinging that host from itself
2021-05-22 12:15:57	Xiatian	oh wait
2021-05-22 12:16:10	Xiatian	I misread the first octet, sorry
2021-05-22 12:16:20	R2COM	has anyone tried mounting shared folder to Synology NAS drive in freebsd?
2021-05-22 12:16:26	R2COM	having issues with permissions
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2021-05-22 12:18:22	sy	I'm on Vultr if that helps, I've opted not to use DHCP and instead statically assign the first address of my block
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2021-05-22 12:18:54	Xiatian	sy: nitpick; the first address would be :: without 1
2021-05-22 12:19:01	Xiatian	aka 0
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2021-05-22 12:21:50	Xiatian	sy: judging by the instructions on the hoster's website, I think you do not really have to do it exactly their way
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2021-05-22 12:24:08	Xiatian	though hmm
2021-05-22 12:25:19	Xiatian	sy: have you checked tcpdump output (with high verbosity) to see what kind of announcements you are getting?
2021-05-22 12:27:03	Xiatian	sy: oh, also, what do you get with `sysctl net.inet6.ip6.accept_rtadv`?
2021-05-22 12:27:12	Xiatian	just in case
2021-05-22 12:28:17	Xiatian	it looks like -F should set it to 1
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2021-05-22 12:28:52	Xiatian	and you have ACCEPT_RTADV in ifconfig output, so it should work unless the RA has wrong flags set
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2021-05-22 15:33:16	toniz4	hello, I'm trying out freebsd on my rpi, and it's my first experience with it. So I'm thinking about encrypting my external drive, and I came across gbde and geli. What would be better in that application?
2021-05-22 15:34:58	SpaceBass	Why not ZFS with encryption?
2021-05-22 15:35:47	toniz4	SpaceBass: I didn't came across that, gonna take a look at it
2021-05-22 15:36:18	toniz4	And another question, there is a significant overhead with ZFS?
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2021-05-22 15:39:40	ptx0	kind of
2021-05-22 15:39:46	ptx0	it's going to be dogshit slow on a raspberry pi
2021-05-22 15:40:34	SpaceBass	To be fair, everything is slow on a Pi4.... Took me literally 48 hours to compile bind
2021-05-22 15:41:01	last1	I have a FreeBSD host sitting on an esxi host that has its adapters in promiscuous mode ( due to another VM running HA using CARP )
2021-05-22 15:41:21	last1	this particular FreeBSD host can pick up all adapter traffic from the ESXi host - is this normal ?
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2021-05-22 15:41:54	ptx0	i'm not familiar with esxi
2021-05-22 15:42:09	last1	what I'm getting at is I'm trying to decomission this box and I wanted to know who's still talking to it, but when I run tcpdump I see all network traffic
2021-05-22 15:44:12	toniz4	ptx0: but in comparing with btrfs? I was using centos with my external drive using btrfs, it was usable
2021-05-22 15:44:29	ptx0	this is freebsd..
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2021-05-22 15:45:00	ptx0	i don't trust blenderfs^H btrfs. zfs is fine. it's going to have more overhead than UFS, but, some architectural differences could mean it's overall, faster.
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2021-05-22 15:50:57	toniz4	ptx0: I know that freebsd doesn't have btrfs, just making a comparison. Thanks for the help! I'm going to try to format it with zfs. Another noob question, what is the better way of listing available drives? In linux i can use lsblk, what would be the equivalent to freebsd?
2021-05-22 15:51:35	ptx0	i think you can install that here, too
2021-05-22 15:51:59	SpaceBass	toniz4, another option is encfs. I use it on FreeBSD and the performance is good
2021-05-22 15:52:06	ptx0	atacontrol -l
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2021-05-22 15:58:18	Iambchop	last1: sounds like the freebsd vm is in the same port group and/or vswitch as the carp vm https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1002934
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2021-05-22 16:39:48	last1	lambchop, it wasn't that unfortunately
2021-05-22 16:39:59	last1	it's another issue i'm seeing, possibly due to bad design by me
2021-05-22 16:40:25	last1	so I have a load balancer ( opnsense ) setup, 2 machines in HA mode using CARP
2021-05-22 16:40:33	last1	each individual machine has an IP in the 192.168.2.X management network
2021-05-22 16:40:47	last1	and they share a virtual IP of 192.168.1.X in the user network
2021-05-22 16:41:14	last1	it turns out that traffic between 192.168.1.0/24 and this Virtual IP, still gets routed through my local gateway/router ( also FreeBSD )
2021-05-22 16:41:38	last1	even though they are both in 192.168.1.0/24
2021-05-22 16:42:10	last1	it appears that the opnsense routers somehow advertise or respond using their real 192.168.2.X IP, which requires the local gateway to route the traffic
2021-05-22 16:42:42	last1	so if I ping the Virtual IP 192.168.1.95, I actually see a response from 192.168.2.75 when I tcpdump on the gateway
2021-05-22 16:42:49	last1	does this make sense or it's a bad config ?
2021-05-22 16:43:34	last1	to the pinging client, it sees a response from 192.168.1.95, so all good, but behind the scenes, the management IPs get involved somehow
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2021-05-22 16:50:20	last1	I think it's because CARP gives virtual IPs a special mac address
2021-05-22 16:51:10	last1	in the 00:00:5e range
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2021-05-22 16:59:27	SpaceBass	I have a new user, I added them to wheel. But I still can't su - root from that user
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2021-05-22 16:59:31	SpaceBass	Do I need to do something else?
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2021-05-22 17:00:04	SpaceBass	Never mind, got it!
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2021-05-22 17:33:49	Iambchop	last1: something like this? https://i.ibb.co/z7J44CY/CARPping.png
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2021-05-22 17:35:36	last1	lambchop: you are hinting at the solution I think I have to do
2021-05-22 17:35:50	last1	I believe I have to give the OPNSense firewalls an alias IP of 192.168.1.X
2021-05-22 17:36:08	last1	and this way they will listen on 192.168.1.0/24 arp traffic and respond right away
2021-05-22 17:36:25	last1	instead of relying on 192.168.2.0/24 IPs to respond via the local gateway
2021-05-22 17:36:51	last1	at least this is what I think the solution has to be, not sure if there are others
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2021-05-22 17:39:21	Iambchop	that sounds reasonable
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2021-05-22 17:44:01	last1	I had read some docs about proxy arp
2021-05-22 17:44:16	last1	which allows you to bind an arp to an interface
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2021-05-22 17:44:23	last1	but I don't think that's compatible with carp
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2021-05-22 17:56:49	DarwinElf	how can I SSH to a FreeBSD server then execute a different shell before (instead of) my normal login shell?
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2021-05-22 18:00:54	wlkO`Rety	DarwinElf: is your normal login shell broken, or do you just want to use a different one? In the second case, `ssh -t HOST exec /bin/sh` seems to do the trick
2021-05-22 18:01:35	DarwinElf	yeah, it's broken
2021-05-22 18:02:04	DarwinElf	but I recall someone described this trick for that case, just not how...
2021-05-22 18:02:06	wlkO`Rety	Does scp work? ~/.ssh/rc supposedly executes before shell
2021-05-22 18:03:02	wlkO`Rety	(ah, this also needs a sshd option PermitUserRC, I'm not sure if it's enabled by default)
2021-05-22 18:03:04	DarwinElf	i wasn't able to copy something to that server either
2021-05-22 18:03:17	DarwinElf	or did you mean copy from it?
2021-05-22 18:04:03	DarwinElf	i think if I reboot it later that'll fix everything, just I can't get to the web-login at this time
2021-05-22 18:04:29	wlkO`Rety	Copy _to_ server. I don't know if scp uses shell.
2021-05-22 18:04:46	DarwinElf	it said something for the shell wasn't there
2021-05-22 18:05:14	wlkO`Rety	You could also update ~/.ssh/known_hosts with a new key that specifies `command="..."`
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2021-05-22 18:05:58	wlkO`Rety	If the shell doesn't even exist, authentication may have a problem with that... I don't have any more ideas (but I'm curious what is the trick)
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2021-05-22 18:06:53	DarwinElf	the shell exists, just not some library.  That's why I want to execute a different shell
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2021-05-22 18:24:16	llua	are you able to copy files to the machine?
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2021-05-22 18:25:42	llua	if so, try putting the missing lib in your homedir and push a .login.conf that sets LD_PRELOAD to load it, that may work
2021-05-22 18:34:53	last1	how does freebsd arp handle a virtual carp mac ?
2021-05-22 18:35:25	last1	say I have virtual IP 192.168.1.95 which virtual mac 00:00:5E:XX ..
2021-05-22 18:35:32	last1	*with
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2021-05-22 18:45:28	uskerine	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67654754/how-do-i-surroung-text-beginning-with-until-end-of-line-with-escape-characters
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2021-05-22 18:56:14	borsin	have i believe a corrupt file system on a rpi causing a fault error, fcsk force is not set in rc.conf, any way to force fcsk at boot or do i need to slave it into a running freebsd install to run fsck?
2021-05-22 18:56:55	borsin	cause for error, pulled plug after rpi froze
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2021-05-22 19:06:29	imachine	man, I have got to say this wholeheartedly - FreeBSD has gone a long way!
2021-05-22 19:06:41	imachine	no editing files almost, all configured "graphically"
2021-05-22 19:06:51	imachine	out of the box, wifi working... etc
2021-05-22 19:07:22	imachine	and for the most important part, no hickups on the desktop experience, hard disk activity or cpu maxed out!
2021-05-22 19:08:00	imachine	<3 FreeBSD!
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2021-05-22 20:03:38	DarwinElf	llua, I said I am not able to copy files to that server
2021-05-22 20:06:26	nesta	hehe
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2021-05-22 20:18:59	_xor	Heh, my buddy is freaking hilarious.
2021-05-22 20:19:08	nesta	is he?
2021-05-22 20:19:58	_xor	He's an admin for a small biz. They have this networking appliance they use for some internal stuff. The company that sold them the appliance doubled the rate for the support contract. Company obviously didn't like it, so...
2021-05-22 20:20:44	_xor	He wanted to ssh access to the box, but only the company has that login for it. They ssh in to provide remote support. So my buddy sets up an echo server, makes the banner look exactly like their appliance, and routes the firewall to it.
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2021-05-22 20:21:37	_xor	Support tries to login and it fails, but my buddy sees the credentials. Once that happens, he changes the firewall route back to the appliance and tells the support guy "Hmm, that's strange. Try again, might have been a networking issue."
2021-05-22 20:21:50	_xor	Guy tries again and logs in successfuly, none the wise that my buddy has the login now lol.
2021-05-22 20:23:06	nesta	hehe
2021-05-22 20:24:16	nesta	well played :)
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2021-05-22 20:24:43	_xor	Unethical, but I don't feel bad for the vendor for A) Using password authentication instead of only publickey, and B) Not having some process in place to verify hosts.
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2021-05-22 20:25:46	_xor	I still don't understand how their SSH client worked (unless he meant that he used sshd and not an echo server and just had it dump to logs).  I should ask him.
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2021-05-22 20:33:31	coolvibe	you can tell sshd to log the password in a honeypot setup by patching auth.c of the sshd source code
2021-05-22 20:36:56	coolvibe	auth-passwd.c specifically
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2021-05-22 21:24:47	last1	does gateway_enable="YES" do anything else other than set net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 ?
2021-05-22 21:27:15	RhodiumToad	nope
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2021-05-22 21:29:05	last1	I have this weird issue, I have a freebsd gateway on the same esxi host as an opnsense vm. the opnsense is doing carp virtual so the local adapter is promiscuous mode/fake mac allowed, etc
2021-05-22 21:29:34	last1	the freebsd gateway is picking up traffic from local IP 192.168.1.3 for example to 192.168.1.95 ( carp virtual IP )
2021-05-22 21:29:49	last1	aka, when I do tcpdump on the gateway, I see all that traffic through there and I can't understand why
2021-05-22 21:30:16	RhodiumToad	tcpdump will show you everything the adapter can see
2021-05-22 21:30:18	last1	I thought it was because the adapater was in promiscuous mode, but I have other vms on the same esxi host, and running tcpdump there doesn't show the same traffic
2021-05-22 21:30:30	RhodiumToad	tcpdump turns on promisc anyway
2021-05-22 21:30:59	last1	so then how come the gateway can see traffic not destined for it, but other vms can't ?
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2021-05-22 21:31:04	last1	they are all on the same NIC
2021-05-22 21:31:18	last1	I'm trying to determine if that traffic is flowing through the gateway or is just visible to it
2021-05-22 21:31:31	last1	to know if I can safely turn off the gateway..
2021-05-22 21:32:49	RhodiumToad	well it'll likely be down to how the VM is set up
2021-05-22 21:33:55	last1	ok, how about this question: does carp virtual IP interface advertise its own mac address ?
2021-05-22 21:34:41	RhodiumToad	advertise how?
2021-05-22 21:34:42	last1	which is a virtual mac in the 00:00:5e:XX:XX:04 realm
2021-05-22 21:35:11	last1	well, say my host 192.168.1.3 sends an arp question: who has <virtual ip>
2021-05-22 21:35:28	RhodiumToad	then yes, the carp interface should answer that with the virtual mac
2021-05-22 21:36:33	last1	I was reading here: https://www.ibm.com/docs/nl/i/7.1?topic=methods-routing-virtual-ip
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2021-05-22 21:36:51	last1	and they say: Because the virtual IP address is not bound to a single physical interface, the system never responds to an Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) request to the virtual IP address unless you enable proxy ARP for the virtual IP address.
2021-05-22 21:37:17	last1	is this just specific to the IBM stuff or I thought that might be in general
2021-05-22 21:38:45	RhodiumToad	it should be up to the carp code to deal with that
2021-05-22 21:39:38	last1	alright
2021-05-22 21:40:03	last1	to determine if the traffic I'm seeing with tcpdump is destined for the local box or not, is it enough to look at the tcpdump -e format and check if the mac addresses match locally ?
2021-05-22 21:40:09	last1	and if it doesn't, it's not meant for it ?
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2021-05-22 21:46:05	RhodiumToad	if the mac address is configured locally on an interface, or is a multicast or broadcast address
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2021-05-22 21:49:52	last1	well, I'm lost: can you think of any reason why host 192.168.1.3 would go through my gateway ( 192.168.1.1 ) while talking to 192.168.1.95 ( virtual ip ) ?
2021-05-22 21:50:38	last1	the only thing that's quirky is that the real IPs behind the hosts that advertise 192.168.1.95 are in the 192.168.2.0/24 network, and to get to them, you do have to go through the gateway
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2021-05-22 21:51:08	last1	but would that make traffic destined for 192.168.1.95 go through the gateway instead of just locally ?
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2021-05-22 21:54:13	RhodiumToad	on 192.168.1.3, what's the output of  route get 192.168.1.95 ?
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2021-05-22 21:56:01	last1	https://pastebin.com/MhTMttza
2021-05-22 21:56:08	last1	I also posted a tcpdump from the gateway
2021-05-22 21:56:23	last1	where I clearly see it in the middle of traffic
2021-05-22 21:57:12	RhodiumToad	and on 192.168.1.3, what's the output of  arp -an  ?
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2021-05-22 21:57:53	last1	? (192.168.1.95) at 00:00:5e:00:01:04 on em1 expires in 1186 seconds [ethernet]
2021-05-22 21:58:13	last1	I've also tcpdump'd arp requests/replies
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2021-05-22 21:58:27	last1	it shows the opnsense server sending the reply saying it has 00:00:5e:00:01:04
2021-05-22 21:58:35	RhodiumToad	which host has 00:00:5e:00:01:04?
2021-05-22 21:58:38	last1	so I don't understand for the life of me how my gateway gets in the middle
2021-05-22 21:58:41	last1	00:00:5e:00:01:04 = opnsense server
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2021-05-22 21:58:55	RhodiumToad	I don't think it is in the middle. I think it's seeing the traffic
2021-05-22 21:59:05	last1	I mean: 00:00:5e:00:01:04 = virtual mac for virtual ip
2021-05-22 21:59:16	last1	did you see the tcpdump output I pasted on pastebin ?
2021-05-22 21:59:16	RhodiumToad	but that's a matter of how the VMs are configured on the vm host
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2021-05-22 21:59:18	RhodiumToad	yes
2021-05-22 21:59:32	last1	isn't that showing that packets get sent to the firewall and it sends them out again ?
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2021-05-22 21:59:52	last1	that's how I read it
2021-05-22 22:00:38	last1	and interesting that the origin mac is the actual interface IP of opnsense and not the virtual mac
2021-05-22 22:00:40	RhodiumToad	er
2021-05-22 22:01:02	RhodiumToad	on 192.168.1.35, not .3, what is the output of arp -an and route get 192.168.1.95 ?
2021-05-22 22:01:17	drakonan	Any ideas on how i can troubleshoot an inoften hard freeze?
2021-05-22 22:01:21	RhodiumToad	and all the arp -an output please
2021-05-22 22:02:03	drakonan	i.e. the power button no longer shuts the machine off unless i hold it
2021-05-22 22:02:15	last1	drakonan: that's a 4second override
2021-05-22 22:02:20	last1	it's a bios setting
2021-05-22 22:02:40	last1	https://pastebin.com/xTUi4Ru7
2021-05-22 22:02:44	drakonan	right but i mean normally i can just press it and the machine will gracefully shutdown
2021-05-22 22:02:54	drakonan	when it hard freezes it no longer does that...
2021-05-22 22:03:21	last1	well, that's to be expected if it's frozen
2021-05-22 22:03:24	last1	the OS is no longer responding
2021-05-22 22:03:35	last1	4 second override goes straight to the bios and resets it hard
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2021-05-22 22:04:14	drakonan	I just wanted to make sure I conveyed its state the best i could i dont really know anything else about it at that moment... well since its frozen :)
2021-05-22 22:04:30	drakonan	i rebooted it a little while ago of course
2021-05-22 22:04:45	last1	is there a core dump ?
2021-05-22 22:05:06	drakonan	Anything i can do to prepare for the next one so that I have more data?  Last time (this is the second one in... probably weeks) no
2021-05-22 22:05:10	last1	if not, you can try enabling them: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?core(5)
2021-05-22 22:05:24	drakonan	its enabled but it didnt make a dumpfile
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2021-05-22 22:05:52	drakonan	at least last time... what was that command again to see the dumpfiles?
2021-05-22 22:06:31	last1	check in /var/crash
2021-05-22 22:06:33	last1	if you have any files
2021-05-22 22:06:39	RhodiumToad	last1: are there any fibs in use on any of these hosts (esp. .35) other than fib 0?
2021-05-22 22:07:11	last1	ok, I assume I'm an idiot, I don't know what a fib is
2021-05-22 22:07:19	last1	so I think I can answer that no others are in use
2021-05-22 22:08:07	last1	even on 192.168.1.1 it's the same output
2021-05-22 22:08:17	drakonan	there's a minfree but its over a month old
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2021-05-22 22:08:32	last1	ah wait Rhodium
2021-05-22 22:08:35	last1	I may have made some inroad
2021-05-22 22:09:34	mrelcee	have yet to have my storage server reboot or freeze during nightly..  Upgrading to 13 was all that changed..    yay.  figured i had a dying machine.
2021-05-22 22:09:50	last1	https://pastebin.com/RjkNKm0N
2021-05-22 22:10:06	last1	on my 2nd opnsense box the default route for 192.168.1.95 goes to my gateway
2021-05-22 22:10:25	last1	whereas on the first one it's on loopback, but both are configured the same I think
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2021-05-22 22:15:02	drakonan	What do yall recommend for simple sbc's?
2021-05-22 22:15:10	drakonan	i guess in this case two nics :/
2021-05-22 22:15:16	drakonan	or maybe even 3
2021-05-22 22:17:44	drakonan	And... crazy question... do yall run windows on anything?
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2021-05-22 22:21:53	drakonan	id like to try and start standardizing somehow in some way...
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2021-05-22 22:34:05	mns	with zfs how do I find out what pools I have ?
2021-05-22 22:34:15	last1	zpool status
2021-05-22 22:35:27	mns	last1: thanks
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2021-05-22 22:41:42	drakonan	last1, why opnsense?
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2021-05-22 22:41:54	drakonan	i may be installing something fresh
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2021-05-22 23:01:01	mns	I created a new dataset (I think)  using:   zfs create zroot/vm  and want to mount it on /vm  yet when I do zfs mount it mounts to /zroot/vm.   I've tried using:  zfs mount -v -o mountpoint=/vm zroot/vm  but that also does the same thing
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2021-05-22 23:02:30	mns	I see other datasets like zroot/var which is mounted at /var
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2021-05-22 23:07:33	mns	never mind,  found the zfs set mountpoint command
2021-05-22 23:08:32	drakonan	so im surprised all this newnew with containers freebsd not joining?  i know they have jails but... seems like with the docker move they are trying to reinvent it for portability
2021-05-22 23:08:37	drakonan	newness*
2021-05-22 23:09:26	drakonan	(which i think is pretty cool would be nice to be able to just buy your hardware and lay out the software independently for the most part)
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2021-05-22 23:18:58	Iambchop	last1: "but both are configured the same I think" though one is the active node and the other is the backup; lb1 currently owns the vip, or lb2?
2021-05-22 23:19:24	_xor	https://github.com/frabert/ClangQL
2021-05-22 23:19:33	last1	lb1
2021-05-22 23:19:40	_xor	That looks pretty cool. I wonder how that would work with large codebases like Linux and FreeBSD.
2021-05-22 23:20:06	last1	I dunno, I'm all out of ideas, I've spent about 8h on this
2021-05-22 23:20:18	last1	I think lb1 sends the packets from 192.168.1.95 to 192.168.2.1
2021-05-22 23:20:24	last1	at least that's what tcpdump shows me
2021-05-22 23:20:58	last1	even though it has these routes: https://pastebin.com/xFxzwQ10
2021-05-22 23:21:09	last1	which means it should send directly on the adapter, no ?
2021-05-22 23:21:44	@koobs	drakonan: we have a recent runj implementation, and containerd now supports it: https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1389504570708004865
2021-05-22 23:22:08	_xor	I saw the blog post by that dude, looks pretty cool.
2021-05-22 23:22:39	@koobs	see also: https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1396287568921063426
2021-05-22 23:22:46	@koobs	freebsd linux container suppoyrt
2021-05-22 23:22:49	@koobs	\o/
2021-05-22 23:23:00	_xor	wut?
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2021-05-22 23:24:10	@koobs	_xor: basically linux containers on freebsd (via our jail method)
2021-05-22 23:24:20	@koobs	nice transition mechanism for existing linux peeps
2021-05-22 23:24:42	_xor	Yeah, I mean I saw that project but I'm not quite sure what it means by "Linux" containers support.
2021-05-22 23:24:46	 *	_xor is reading now
2021-05-22 23:25:18	@koobs	automation of this i believe: https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails
2021-05-22 23:25:21	@koobs	via runj/containerd
2021-05-22 23:25:42	_xor	I thought it was basically a tool that was compliant with the standard that containerd implements.
2021-05-22 23:26:16	@koobs	OCI
2021-05-22 23:26:18	@koobs	yeh
2021-05-22 23:26:24	_xor	To launch and control containers as implemented by jails. Just wondering if it also sets up Linux environments in the jail.
2021-05-22 23:26:30	_xor	Right.
2021-05-22 23:26:33	@koobs	this's the PR: https://github.com/containerd/containerd/pull/5480https://github.com/containerd/containerd/pull/5480
2021-05-22 23:26:35	@koobs	https://github.com/containerd/containerd/pull/5480
2021-05-22 23:27:12	@koobs	my understanding is its linux OCI images in runj jails via containerd
2021-05-22 23:27:23	@koobs	but i may be wrong
2021-05-22 23:27:24	_xor	Ah ok it's mounting the Linux compat fs into the jail.
2021-05-22 23:27:31	@koobs	indeed, likely wrong :)
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2021-05-22 23:46:19	drakonan	How common is freebsd for jobs?
2021-05-22 23:46:42	DaRock	hey guys
2021-05-22 23:46:43	drakonan	I'm thinking about trying to minimally learn some commandline fw stuff but trying to decide
2021-05-22 23:47:03	_xor	Jobs as in companies that use it and need employees that have the know-how or jobs as in a task queue/workers?
2021-05-22 23:47:46	drakonan	companies and need for employees :)
2021-05-22 23:48:11	drakonan	i don't know maybe its a good idea anyway to have your router be different code than your backend stuff
2021-05-22 23:48:23	DaRock	nested jails - apparently the parent jail won't run the rc.d/jail script at all. Anyone come across this before?
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2021-05-22 23:49:14	_xor	DaRock: Is exec.start set to /etc/rc?
2021-05-22 23:49:33	_xor	drakonan: Personally, I think it would be good to know anyway, but that's just me.
2021-05-22 23:49:44	DaRock	yep, and everything else works as expected - weird... :-/
2021-05-22 23:50:02	_xor	Launch it with jail -v and see what it says.
2021-05-22 23:50:11	_xor	(or whatever the setting is to turn on verbose logging)
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2021-05-22 23:51:00	DaRock	done that - shows other services starting; but not jail...
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2021-05-22 23:53:54	DaRock	set rc_debug on and still no jail :-/
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2021-05-23 00:08:31	DaRock	ok - seems the rc system keywords include nojail, ironically set in the rc.d/jail script... :-)
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2021-05-23 00:08:45	DaRock	so much or nested jails...
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2021-05-23 01:10:12	drakonan	Are binaries the same between bsd and linux or can they be?
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2021-05-23 01:13:35	khng	Binaries between FreeBSD and Linux are different. They cannot be the same without ABI emulation.
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2021-05-23 01:29:31	drakonan	oh ok
2021-05-23 01:30:21	drakonan	If bsd runs in to a hardware fault where would it log the output? say a driver issue or hard disk failure?
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2021-05-23 01:32:32	drakonan	not failure but read error...
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2021-05-23 03:16:13	bagira	why are you grumbling Erhard
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2021-05-23 04:46:39	@debdrup	drakonan: well, they're both ELF binaries, but they're branded differently - which is why, to run Linux binaries on FreeBSD, you'll need to use the Linuxulator (which does syscall translation) _and_ you also have to use the brandelf(1) utility.
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2021-05-23 05:32:41	_xor	Does Linux have anything like the syscall layer that FreeBSD & WinNT have?  Last I remember reading a few years ago, the syscall API in Linux couldn't easily be extended/swapped/etc.
2021-05-23 05:35:45	@debdrup	I'm not sure #FreeBSD is the right channel for that question. ;)
2021-05-23 05:37:07	@debdrup	Windows 10 WSL1 is syscall translation like Linuxulator (and possibly inspired by it, since Microsoft ported dtrace from FreeBSD). However, WSL2 is just hardware-accelerated virtualization with SLAT, so it's not nearly as interesting.
2021-05-23 05:37:37	_xor	Yup.
2021-05-23 05:38:07	_xor	WinNT has had its syscall interface since 3.51, I believe.
2021-05-23 05:38:19	_xor	That's how they do PE-compat across versions.
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2021-05-23 05:40:10	@debdrup	Sure, but if it's a competition, IBM mainframes have longer ABI compatibility :P
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2021-05-23 07:48:00	@daemon	koobs, I wrote a bot for #perl to alert users of the move I could joint it here if helpful
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2021-05-23 08:20:53	kiwichap	hello how do I determine how much space/resources are remaining?
2021-05-23 08:20:59	kiwichap	like memory I mean
2021-05-23 08:22:58	Ner0Zer0	hi, is it possible in /bin/sh script to access variable by the name from another variable ?
2021-05-23 08:24:53	Ner0Zer0	without eval
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2021-05-23 08:26:00	kilitary	kiwichap: man vmstat
2021-05-23 08:27:06	kiwichap	ok memory avm 18G fre 43M
2021-05-23 08:27:14	kiwichap	does it mean I only have 43Megabytes free?
2021-05-23 08:27:43	@debdrup	Free memory is wasted electricity.
2021-05-23 08:28:05	kiwichap	so it's not an issue?
2021-05-23 08:28:17	kiwichap	or I need to roll back services or definitely don't think to add anymore?
2021-05-23 08:28:26	@debdrup	Not unless you need to run something that needs more than 43MB of memory.
2021-05-23 08:28:38	kilitary	in same time
2021-05-23 08:28:50	@debdrup	It's most likely filesystem caching that's taking up a large part of your memory to improve access times.
2021-05-23 08:28:52	jpw	so long as you're not swapping "free" memory is a pointless stat
2021-05-23 08:29:06	@debdrup	jpw: sorry, but that's bad advice.
2021-05-23 08:29:20	jpw	enlighten me
2021-05-23 08:29:39	@debdrup	Long-running processes can sometimes lead to some swap usage, without it being a problem.
2021-05-23 08:30:06	@debdrup	That's even without setting vm.swap_idle_enabled to 1 using sysctl(8).
2021-05-23 08:30:22	kilitary	what this sysctl means?
2021-05-23 08:30:30	@debdrup	Use sysctl -d to find out.
2021-05-23 08:30:57	kilitary	Allow swapout on idle criteria
2021-05-23 08:31:01	kilitary	but what that mean?
2021-05-23 08:31:29	@debdrup	It means that if part of a processes memory space is idle, it can be swapped to disk.
2021-05-23 08:32:00	kilitary	even if there is free memory exist?
2021-05-23 08:32:06	@debdrup	Yes.
2021-05-23 08:32:09	kilitary	hmm
2021-05-23 08:32:11	kilitary	why?
2021-05-23 08:32:16	jpw	creating an unnecessary slowdown when then memory page is re-activated :p
2021-05-23 08:32:33	jpw	i stand by my previous advice
2021-05-23 08:32:50	@debdrup	jpw: there are absolutely use-cases where it makes sense, for example on long-running systems with very low memory where something may be accessed very infrequently.
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2021-05-23 08:33:33	@debdrup	For example an access point with wpa_supplicant where there are no new devices connecting but just a lot of existing devices.
2021-05-23 08:34:09	jpw	this isn't the dark ages any more. if you know you need swap go for it. most modern internet servers don't and it's counter productive to enable it
2021-05-23 08:34:10	kiwichap	I'm just running web server from this
2021-05-23 08:34:15	jpw	but lets agree to disagree
2021-05-23 08:34:35	kiwichap	I was looking to add java eclipse but now seeing 43mb is getting me nervous
2021-05-23 08:34:50	kilitary	it is very slow
2021-05-23 08:34:56	kilitary	what language you want to use?
2021-05-23 08:35:43	kiwichap	well I was looking at a combination of C, python, common lisp, java/jsp, nodejs, html, php,
2021-05-23 08:35:50	kiwichap	perl
2021-05-23 08:36:24	kilitary	for c - visual studio/clion, python - pycharm, html/php-phpstorm
2021-05-23 08:36:31	kilitary	for what use u want old perl?
2021-05-23 08:36:36	@debdrup	Slow down a bit there.
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2021-05-23 08:37:08	kiwichap	I downloaded p5 it must be the newest version there but it seems good for example if this ip address send here if that ip address send there
2021-05-23 08:37:35	@debdrup	First, figure out what's using the memory - are you, for example, using ZFS with vfs.zfs.arc_max set to its default value?
2021-05-23 08:38:08	@debdrup	What does patch levels have to do with IP addresses?
2021-05-23 08:38:09	kiwichap	not sure I am using a kvm virtual box from an isp I didn't install freebsd
2021-05-23 08:39:00	@debdrup	Please do 'top -b | nc termbin.com 9999' and type or copy/paste the resulting link here.
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2021-05-23 08:39:52	kiwichap	https://termbin.com/0rnw
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2021-05-23 08:40:46	@debdrup	That looks fine to me, although if you're using a big database, you might wanna add more memory as 1GB is too little.
2021-05-23 08:41:05	kiwichap	it's 2GB
2021-05-23 08:41:20	kiwichap	I hardly have any values to be honest
2021-05-23 08:41:38	@debdrup	What's the output of "sysctl -n hw.realmem" ?
2021-05-23 08:41:42	kiwichap	I haven't implemented it nor populated it
2021-05-23 08:42:05	kiwichap	2147483648
2021-05-23 08:43:07	kiwichap	like I have but just in a small way not a major way
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2021-05-23 08:43:35	@debdrup	Well, since you don't have any swap, it'll likely get OOM killed if you go way over anyway.
2021-05-23 08:43:46	@debdrup	But what's the problem?
2021-05-23 08:44:29	@debdrup	You've got almost half a gigabyte of memory that's either inactive or in laundry, so the VM can easily free up all of that if it has to.
2021-05-23 08:44:54	@debdrup	VM subsystem, I mean*
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2021-05-23 08:45:15	@debdrup	FreeBSD is designed to not waste time freeing up memory when there's no memory pressure.
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2021-05-23 08:45:46	@debdrup	If it did waste time freeing up memory when there's no memory pressure, that's CPUtime that would be taken away from other proceesses.
2021-05-23 08:48:36	kiwichap	ok so I can basically continue doing whatever I need to do
2021-05-23 08:48:43	kiwichap	thank you
2021-05-23 08:50:23	@debdrup	You might wanna add some swap, not only because you "only" have 2GB, but also because in the unlikely event that your system crashes, the swap partition is necessary to get crash information.
2021-05-23 08:50:49	kiwichap	how do I add swap?
2021-05-23 08:51:49	kiwichap	just checking the manual
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2021-05-23 11:01:19	kilitary	which idle function i should used inside virtualbox vm?
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2021-05-23 14:25:10	uskerine	believe or not I can not find an ASCII chart in a single .txt file anywhere on the internet, everything is either HTML or whatever
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2021-05-23 14:26:02	TheBeastie	uskerine: have you tried man ascii ?
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2021-05-23 14:26:38	uskerine	that is cool
2021-05-23 14:26:45	uskerine	can I also find the extended characters?
2021-05-23 14:27:15	y2k	https://theasciicode.com.ar/ascii-codes.txt
2021-05-23 14:27:18	TheBeastie	you have something better....
2021-05-23 14:27:27	TheBeastie	cat /usr/share/misc/ascii
2021-05-23 14:27:49	TheBeastie	there are not extended characters in ascii code.
2021-05-23 14:28:11	uskerine	I know
2021-05-23 14:28:12	TheBeastie	just from 0(null) to 127(del)
2021-05-23 14:28:24	TheBeastie	so what do you mean by extended....?
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2021-05-23 14:28:34	uskerine	but we know that there were those codepages with the rest of the symbols 128-255 to draw boxes etc
2021-05-23 14:28:48	TheBeastie	all those codepages are not ascii.
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2021-05-23 14:29:12	uskerine	so technically I want the code page 437 I guess
2021-05-23 14:29:39	TheBeastie	ah.... that's not even iso-latin-1, nor unicode, nor hp-roman-8, ...
2021-05-23 14:30:10	TheBeastie	you can get it from ibm-pc documentation.
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2021-05-23 14:31:05	TheBeastie	https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_de_c%C3%B3digos_437
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2021-05-23 14:31:23	TheBeastie	sorry, it's in spanish.... but sure you can get it in english.
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2021-05-23 14:32:37	y2k	user282069: https://theasciicode.com.ar/ and https://theasciicode.com.ar/ascii-codes.txt
2021-05-23 14:33:09	TheBeastie	y2k: you have an ascii map in text code in freebsd file /usr/share/misc/ascii
2021-05-23 14:34:30	y2k	Yes, i know but ask for a .txt url.
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2021-05-23 14:35:18	TheBeastie	y2k: txt is that file.
2021-05-23 14:36:03	TheBeastie	file:///usr/share/misc/ascii
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2021-05-23 15:22:13	AppleGNU	AllanJude is the best. Loved him on BSD Now. Dunno if he still does that.
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2021-05-23 15:23:58	@AllanJude	yes, still do it, although starting a few weeks ago, Tom does half of the episodes instead of me
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2021-05-23 15:28:32	AppleGNU	Good to know, AllanJude. Gotta take another stab at making a timecapsule out of fbsd tonight. Butchered it last night somehow.
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2021-05-23 15:45:45	SpaceBass	Just subscribed
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2021-05-23 17:16:41	happyquack	If you can understand the reason behind the new policy that lets rasengan arbitrary take over channels now (https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/commit/1194a3e71a427a669ccdddee22006416d46eeb43) (https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse), please let me know. His explanation is this: <rasengan> href: Some communities have lost site of their mission and are engaged in a campaign to fracture the FOSS community.  We're attempting to solicit feedback
2021-05-23 17:16:46	happyquack	from the community to incorporate better policies to help keep the FOSS community whole.
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2021-05-23 17:20:14	SpaceBass	Been fighting bind916 on a raspberry pi for a week...might throw this box out the window in a minute
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2021-05-23 17:22:11	RhodiumToad	I run bind on an rpi2
2021-05-23 17:22:14	RhodiumToad	what's the issue?
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2021-05-23 17:23:21	SpaceBass	RhodiumToad in this case, I'm using the pi as a small domain controller with samba412. Bind will start with the default named.conf, but when I add the samba include it fails. The exact same set up works on all my x86-based DCs... makes me think there's something wrong with either the samba port or bind port for arm
2021-05-23 17:23:33	RhodiumToad	fails how?
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2021-05-23 17:23:39	RhodiumToad	I don't use samba however
2021-05-23 17:24:09	SpaceBass	/var/db/samba4/bind-dns/named.conf:14: expected string near '/'
2021-05-23 17:24:33	SpaceBass	The line in question (from the samba install): database /usr/local/lib/samba4/modules/bind9/dlz_bind9_16.so";
2021-05-23 17:24:51	RhodiumToad	missing " there?
2021-05-23 17:25:10	RhodiumToad	surely  database "/usr/local/lib/samba4/modules/bind9/dlz_bind9_16.so";
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2021-05-23 17:26:16	RhodiumToad	if the samba install installed that file and you haven't modified it at all, it might be a bug in the samba port
2021-05-23 17:26:32	SpaceBass	Interesting! I just compared the samba4/bind-dns/named.conf file from some x86 installs (didn't think to do that earlier) and they are different!
2021-05-23 17:26:57	SpaceBass	On x86 the line is:   database "dlopen /usr/local/lib/samba4/modules/bind9/dlz_bind9_16.so";
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2021-05-23 17:27:13	RhodiumToad	ahh
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2021-05-23 17:28:24	RhodiumToad	which package exactly installs that?
2021-05-23 17:28:29	SpaceBass	Now it works! ...thanks for helping me sus that out!
2021-05-23 17:29:02	SpaceBass	Samba
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2021-05-23 17:30:27	RhodiumToad	samba installs it in /var/db ?
2021-05-23 17:30:55	RhodiumToad	oh, it installs it in setup/ ?
2021-05-23 17:32:01	SpaceBass	I believe samba installs it in /var/db - that's the default location for all of Samba's *looks up term*... stuff
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2021-05-23 17:33:29	RhodiumToad	right, but packages shouldn't normally install directly in /var (or anywhere outside PREFIX with a few exceptions)
2021-05-23 17:34:36	RhodiumToad	that .conf file seems to be generated by a python script, I don't see anything that would cause it to be messed up
2021-05-23 17:35:26	SpaceBass	The pi version was also missing the dlopen part of the line
2021-05-23 17:35:49	RhodiumToad	hmm
2021-05-23 17:36:06	RhodiumToad	there's a patch in the port that modifies the script in question
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2021-05-23 17:37:40	RhodiumToad	if building the port generates that line incorrectly, that's a bug that needs to be chased down
2021-05-23 17:38:24	SpaceBass	I'm apparently sufficient at finding the bug but identifying the root cause might be out of my skill set. I can, however, log it :)
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2021-05-23 17:50:15	SpaceBass	Found the script that contains the error
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2021-05-23 17:50:55	RhodiumToad	sambadns.py?
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2021-05-23 17:51:13	SpaceBass	samba_dnsupdate
2021-05-23 17:51:18	RhodiumToad	ooh
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2021-05-23 17:52:40	RhodiumToad	patch-bind in the port files/ patches sambadns.py but I don't see any reference to samba_dnsupdate yet
2021-05-23 17:53:15	RhodiumToad	anything indicate why it's wrong on arm and not x86?
2021-05-23 17:54:05	SpaceBass	Unrelated to samba... I can't get this instance of bind to resolve anything or use the forwarder... there's an ACL for the local network but everything (except! Samba names) gets a 'refused'
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2021-05-23 17:55:08	SpaceBass	RhodiumToad another finding... I thought my other installs were samba 4.12 also but they aren't, they are 4,11
2021-05-23 17:55:36	SpaceBass	Checking all my others
2021-05-23 17:56:11	RhodiumToad	ah, so it could be a version thing
2021-05-23 17:56:22	RhodiumToad	I was looking at the 4.13 port I think
2021-05-23 17:56:51	SpaceBass	Here's what I'm finding... the error is present in 4.12 and 4.13 but is correct in 4.11
2021-05-23 17:57:50	 *	debdrup thought for a second those were FreeBSD versions..
2021-05-23 17:58:27	SpaceBass	Lol! I'm waiting for 5.x to really prove its stability
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2021-05-23 17:58:49	RhodiumToad	freebsd 4.x were excellent versions :-)
2021-05-23 18:00:28	SpaceBass	Ok, now this Pi instance of bind has an identical named.conf (except for listen address) to my others, but still refuses to answer queries
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2021-05-23 18:04:08	RhodiumToad	you checked you're looking at the right named.conf?
2021-05-23 18:04:15	RhodiumToad	is named running in chroot?
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2021-05-23 18:08:11	SpaceBass	Yeah /u/l/e/named/named.conf (which has an include line for the samba specific stuff)... so I can resolve dc.internaldomain.cc but I can't resolve google.com
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2021-05-23 18:10:20	RhodiumToad	if named is running in chroot, that file is just copied into the chroot when you start the service, iirc
2021-05-23 18:11:08	RhodiumToad	so make sure you restart after changing it, or check /var/named/usr/local/etc/...
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2021-05-23 18:12:26	SpaceBass	Not using chroot and I'm bouncing the service after edits
2021-05-23 18:13:22	RhodiumToad	are the other systems using the same bind version?
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2021-05-23 18:14:32	SpaceBass	yeah
2021-05-23 18:14:37	SpaceBass	All 9.16
2021-05-23 18:14:56	SpaceBass	Im quite sure this issue is a config issue on my end rather than a bug like the samba stuff
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2021-05-23 18:15:15	RhodiumToad	but the config is the same?
2021-05-23 18:15:34	 *	SpaceBass pulls hair out
2021-05-23 18:15:45	SpaceBass	I literally did nothing...nothing...and it started working
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2021-05-23 18:15:53	RhodiumToad	hah
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2021-05-23 18:16:20	RhodiumToad	don;t you just hate it when that happens
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2021-05-23 18:16:56	SpaceBass	Does it make sense that it might just need to run for a bit? Like maybe to pull a fresh list of root servers or something?
2021-05-23 18:17:13	SpaceBass	Just restarted it and it's refusing again...going to let it run and see what happens
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2021-05-23 18:17:45	RhodiumToad	how have you configured the root zone?
2021-05-23 18:17:47	et09	let's say hypothetically i want an ssh server, for file serving, in a chroot jail limited to 10 specific directories
2021-05-23 18:17:57	et09	exposing that sshd to port whatever on the host
2021-05-23 18:18:05	et09	this is pretty easy right?  i havent done this yet
2021-05-23 18:18:21	RhodiumToad	you use a real jail, not a chroot
2021-05-23 18:18:42	et09	right sorry
2021-05-23 18:18:47	et09	i keep forgetting it's diff :-O
2021-05-23 18:19:36	RhodiumToad	you can use a nat rule in pf or ipfw to expose the sshd on some port on the host's ip without exposing anything else from the jail
2021-05-23 18:20:11	RhodiumToad	you can use nullmounts to hook up the filesystem how you want
2021-05-23 18:20:17	RhodiumToad	lots of choices
2021-05-23 18:20:49	et09	i have some reading to do
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2021-05-23 18:25:52	SpaceBass	ok...if I run named in the foreground, it resolves fine. If I run it as a service, it does not o_0
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2021-05-23 18:33:03	RhodiumToad	what do you have in rc.conf for it?
2021-05-23 18:34:42	SpaceBass	named_enable="YES"
2021-05-23 18:35:18	RhodiumToad	nothing else?
2021-05-23 18:37:48	SpaceBass	No
2021-05-23 18:38:10	RhodiumToad	how did you start it manually?
2021-05-23 18:39:17	SpaceBass	In this case, I was explicitly looking at the log: named -u bind -f -g 2>&1 | tee /tmp/named.log
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2021-05-23 18:44:25	adonis	Hi all. Why does installation of something like postgis also install postgresql when its an extension? Something as small as installing an extension to me should install just the extension and if you have psql installed great. if not, extension is still installed but wont work obviously.
2021-05-23 18:45:07	adonis	It also means that installing postgis31 package also brings with it a version of psql the user may not want. In my case right now it brings psql12, but I want 13.
2021-05-23 18:45:21	FUZxxl	adonis: installing a binary package?
2021-05-23 18:45:24	adonis	yes
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2021-05-23 18:45:27	adonis	not the port
2021-05-23 18:45:28	FUZxxl	if you compile the port from source you can select options
2021-05-23 18:45:34	FUZxxl	otherwise check out flavours
2021-05-23 18:45:42	FUZxxl	and if that fails, complain to the maintainer
2021-05-23 18:45:43	RhodiumToad	the postgresql port isn't very flexible about versions at this time, unfortunately
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2021-05-23 18:46:31	adonis	@RhodiumToad can you elaborate on that a bit more. Not flexible in what way?
2021-05-23 18:46:43	RhodiumToad	if you build the postgis port yourself, it will pick up a DEFAULT_VERSIONS += pgsql=13   setting in make.conf
2021-05-23 18:47:07	adonis	right. I went through with that and went through compilation of a bunch of ports
2021-05-23 18:47:14	adonis	llvm, doxygen etc etc
2021-05-23 18:47:19	RhodiumToad	the port doesn't allow installing multiple versions at once, and all the dependent binary packages are built for one single default pg version
2021-05-23 18:47:57	RhodiumToad	(currently pg 12)
2021-05-23 18:48:38	adonis	right so as soon as I bump to psql13 and then try to do pkg upgrade, pkg complains I have to reinstall psql back to 12..
2021-05-23 18:48:46	RhodiumToad	what _should_ happen is that it should all be converted to flavors so that there can be binaries for everything
2021-05-23 18:48:56	RhodiumToad	but that's a fair chunk of maintainer work
2021-05-23 18:49:24	RhodiumToad	you will need to pkg lock anything that you installed yourself from ports
2021-05-23 18:49:30	adonis	right
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2021-05-23 18:52:10	adonis	so for ex: I just locked postgis31, psql13{client|server|contrib} and am doing pkg upgrade..
2021-05-23 18:52:21	adonis	its saying it wants to install postgresql12 still
2021-05-23 18:52:22	adonis	lol
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2021-05-23 18:52:34	adonis	I'm wondering what pkg is asking for that still
2021-05-23 18:52:45	FUZxxl	adonis: one thing you can do is install binary packages for ports dependencies
2021-05-23 18:52:51	FUZxxl	there is an option to do that automatically
2021-05-23 18:52:54	FUZxxl	but I kinda forgot its name
2021-05-23 18:52:59	RhodiumToad	hm
2021-05-23 18:53:01	adonis	oh
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2021-05-23 18:53:21	RhodiumToad	depends how you're building the port
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2021-05-23 18:53:39	FUZxxl	USE_PACKAGE_DEPENDS maybe?  Not sure what the name was
2021-05-23 18:53:46	adonis	I'm really more confused on my orig question. why postgis31 needs the entire client/server installed.
2021-05-23 18:54:01	FUZxxl	because someone entered this as a runtime dependency
2021-05-23 18:54:04	RhodiumToad	that's the one, but it doesn't use pkg install, it assumes the pkg already exists in /usr/ports/packages and tries to pkg add it
2021-05-23 18:54:15	FUZxxl	oh that sounds useless
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2021-05-23 18:54:43	RhodiumToad	adonis: you don't think it's correct for a plugin to X to have a runtime dependency on X?
2021-05-23 18:54:53	FUZxxl	RhodiumToad: nope
2021-05-23 18:55:02	FUZxxl	I mean, only if it must have X installed to work
2021-05-23 18:55:13	adonis	@RhodiumToad as a runtime dep yes. but it shouldn't prevent its installation
2021-05-23 18:55:22	adonis	to run you need it but not to install
2021-05-23 18:55:39	adonis	if that makes sense :/
2021-05-23 18:55:41	RhodiumToad	that makes no sense
2021-05-23 18:55:46	adonis	lol
2021-05-23 18:55:51	RhodiumToad	literally anything could be installed without its dependencies
2021-05-23 18:56:46	adonis	So imagine I build a psql extension. It needs psql12+. I can send it to you.. you can install it (it doesn’t force the installation of any psql)
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2021-05-23 18:57:08	adonis	when you actually run your psql then yea you can go ahead and say CREATE EXTENSION in psql.
2021-05-23 18:57:22	adonis	but you won't ever get there if no psql is installed which I don't force you to install.
2021-05-23 18:58:04	RhodiumToad	but it still makes no sense to install the plugin
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2021-05-23 18:58:23	adonis	right but that’s your decision
2021-05-23 18:58:32	 *	RhodiumToad is a pg developer, if you're not aware, but isn't involved in the freebsd postgresql ports
2021-05-23 18:58:59	FUZxxl	oh interesting
2021-05-23 18:59:02	adonis	I'm just shooting my thoughts lol
2021-05-23 18:59:05	RhodiumToad	but that argument would extend to every run dependency anywhere?
2021-05-23 18:59:12	FUZxxl	RhodiumToad: nope
2021-05-23 18:59:34	FUZxxl	rule of thumb, if the program you install would crash without the dependency, the dependency is mandatory
2021-05-23 18:59:43	FUZxxl	if it would just be less useful, the dependency is not mandatory
2021-05-23 19:00:06	RhodiumToad	FUZxxl: in the postgis example, there is literally no way to run postgis proper without pg installed
2021-05-23 19:00:11	adonis	right
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2021-05-23 19:00:20	RhodiumToad	it's a plugin for the postgresql server to load
2021-05-23 19:00:30	adonis	So to me in that case it should say: psql not installed please install psql12+
2021-05-23 19:00:34	adonis	that’s not a crash though
2021-05-23 19:00:48	RhodiumToad	no, it depends on a _specific version_ of pg
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2021-05-23 19:01:12	RhodiumToad	you can't compile postgis against one pg version and then use it with a different one
2021-05-23 19:01:33	RhodiumToad	(same is true for all postgis plugins, the server version is compiled into the .so)
2021-05-23 19:01:34	adonis	you can't compile postgis against 12 and have it work with 13?
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2021-05-23 19:01:51	RhodiumToad	nope, the server internal ABI isn't compatible between versions
2021-05-23 19:01:57	adonis	ah ok
2021-05-23 19:02:13	adonis	so now that makes more sense
2021-05-23 19:02:17	 *	RhodiumToad in fact is in the middle of fixing one of his own plugins to make it work with pg 14
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2021-05-23 19:02:53	adonis	so then psql is not even a runtime dep, it’s a compile time dep
2021-05-23 19:02:54	RhodiumToad	the client-server interface is very stable, so clients can usually use any server version
2021-05-23 19:03:04	RhodiumToad	it's a compile time and run time dep
2021-05-23 19:03:11	adonis	right
2021-05-23 19:04:01	RhodiumToad	but plugins are much more intimately dependent on the server, which (a) means they can do a lot more stuff, but (b) they have to cope with server version changes
2021-05-23 19:04:42	RhodiumToad	the server will actually refuse to load a plugin that was compiled against the wrong version or with incompatible options
2021-05-23 19:05:23	adonis	gotcha. Ok yea didn't know that :)
2021-05-23 19:05:42	RhodiumToad	server-side data structure layouts change, etc., as part of server development
2021-05-23 19:05:56	adonis	when i go to postgis.net it says installation requires one to do -> CREATE EXTENSION postgis;
2021-05-23 19:06:09	adonis	doing that alone won't work on postgresql for freebsd?
2021-05-23 19:06:22	RhodiumToad	hm?
2021-05-23 19:06:39	RhodiumToad	that assumes you already have the .so and other required files installed
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2021-05-23 19:06:46	adonis	ok...
2021-05-23 19:06:59	RhodiumToad	freebsd is no different from other platforms in this respect
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2021-05-23 19:07:08	adonis	which simply installing psql{server|client|contrib} wont bring in right?
2021-05-23 19:07:19	adonis	hence the need for installing the pkg or building the port
2021-05-23 19:07:28	RhodiumToad	the CREATE EXTENSION command only adds the necessary SQL definitions to the target database to allow the functions to be used
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2021-05-23 19:08:34	RhodiumToad	installing postgresql*-server will install all the postgres binaries etc., but won't install postgis obviously
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2021-05-23 19:08:57	adonis	but there are some extensions that are installed via contrib right, like earthdistance?
2021-05-23 19:08:59	RhodiumToad	that's important because postgis depends on a whole ton of stuff that postgres itself doesn't
2021-05-23 19:09:05	RhodiumToad	right
2021-05-23 19:09:26	adonis	just wondering if there was a way to specify postgis in the actual compilation or pkg install of psql itself
2021-05-23 19:09:34	RhodiumToad	postgresql-contrib is a bundle of standard extensions that are maintained alongside postgresql itself
2021-05-23 19:09:36	adonis	or* instead of
2021-05-23 19:09:38	RhodiumToad	no
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2021-05-23 19:09:45	RhodiumToad	postgis is a separate project
2021-05-23 19:09:53	adonis	Ok got it :)
2021-05-23 19:10:43	adonis	thanks!
2021-05-23 19:11:23	RhodiumToad	-contrib is almost all stuff that depends on postgres internals in some way, so the restriction that new versions of -contrib modules can only be released alongside new postgresql versions isn't such an issue
2021-05-23 19:11:54	RhodiumToad	but obviously for projects that are being worked on by other people, that restriction on release cycle wouldn't be tolerable
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2021-05-23 19:17:38	adonis	When doing pkg upgrade something wants to install both psql9.5 client and psql12-client. How do I find what pkg that may be?
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2021-05-23 19:18:07	 *	RhodiumToad not sure.
2021-05-23 19:18:21	RhodiumToad	I build my own binary package sets
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2021-05-23 19:50:52	et09	postgis plagues my life RhodiumToad
2021-05-23 19:51:09	et09	namely due to poor code control and migrations
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2021-05-23 20:15:13	Ampera	rate my sick server rack doods: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575356058818838539/846146834426363984/20210523_180139.jpg
2021-05-23 20:15:24	Ampera	just finished putting things together, has been my project for the past few weeks or more
2021-05-23 20:16:12	rennj	looks like a fire hazard
2021-05-23 20:16:17	Ampera	bottom is a Proliant DL580 G7 with 40 cores, running bhyve and servicing my website and ZNC, and the top is an old X5650 board which is running FreeBSD for use as a storage server
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2021-05-23 20:16:32	Ampera	rennj, you'd be absolutely correct, but that's what makes it exciting
2021-05-23 20:16:51	rennj	https://sharkrack.com/
2021-05-23 20:17:07	Ampera	far beyond my price range
2021-05-23 20:17:28	rennj	47U for $1300.00
2021-05-23 20:17:34	rennj	locking doors
2021-05-23 20:17:45	rennj	security
2021-05-23 20:17:56	Ampera	that entire server setup, including the 240V wiring to it, is maybe 1300USD in total
2021-05-23 20:18:37	Ampera	also, I'm not sure if you can tell by the toy trucks, but this isn't exactly heavily planned
2021-05-23 20:19:18	rennj	tonka trucks!
2021-05-23 20:19:36	Ampera	I bet your 1300 dollar rack doesn't come with tonka trucks >:)
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2021-05-23 20:26:20	AndrewBC	I bought an A/V rack and made sure it expanded to server rack sizes
2021-05-23 20:26:37	AndrewBC	people don't realize what they have!
2021-05-23 20:27:19	AndrewBC	'course it's not fancy and you have to screw in each hole bullshit but...
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2021-05-23 20:28:29	Ampera	but does it come with tonka trucks?
2021-05-23 20:28:52	rennj	whats crazy is companies that dump perfectly fine racks
2021-05-23 20:29:01	rennj	my buddy has like 72U dell rack in his home, company dumped it
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2021-05-23 20:29:20	rennj	he just had to hall the thing
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2021-05-23 20:29:55	Ampera	I've considered that, I just don't have a place it
2021-05-23 20:30:12	Ampera	this shelf was particularly convenient, as it fits two 4U servers fairly easily, with space to get behind them and attach cables
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2021-05-23 20:32:24	AndrewBC	my first generation rack was a plywood reptile cage someone left on the side of the road. mind turning .. those look like 2U slots ...
2021-05-23 20:36:11	rennj	StarTech 12U Open Frame Adjustable 4-Post Rack under $250.00
2021-05-23 20:37:09	rennj	https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Open-Frame-Server-Rack/dp/B00P1RJ9LS/
2021-05-23 20:37:28	rennj	Casters!
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2021-05-24 18:38:23	--	Topic for #freebsd is "20210524 - Update #3 on FreeBSD IRC re freenode situation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-05-24 18:38:23	--	Topic set by koobs on Mon, 24 May 2021 00:16:43
2021-05-24 18:38:23	--	Channel #freebsd: 703 nicks (7 ops, 0 voices, 696 normals)
2021-05-24 18:38:23	--	PvNotice(ChanServ): Please check handbook and manual pages first at https://freebsd.org/handbook and https://man.freebsd.org | Always use a pastebin, either https://bsd.to or https://termbin.com
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2021-05-24 18:42:15	--	Topic for #freebsd is "20210524 - Update #3 on FreeBSD IRC re freenode situation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-05-24 18:42:15	--	Topic set by koobs on Mon, 24 May 2021 00:16:43
2021-05-24 18:42:15	--	Channel #freebsd: 701 nicks (7 ops, 0 voices, 694 normals)
2021-05-24 18:42:16	--	PvNotice(ChanServ): Please check handbook and manual pages first at https://freebsd.org/handbook and https://man.freebsd.org | Always use a pastebin, either https://bsd.to or https://termbin.com
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2021-05-24 19:59:15	Dark	wow
2021-05-24 19:59:17	Dark	We moving out?
2021-05-24 19:59:45	RhodiumToad	see topic; no decision yet
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2021-05-24 20:00:18	Dark	Well let me know if you guys move so I can register the #freebsd-es
2021-05-24 20:00:26	Dark	Over there
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2021-05-24 20:01:21	RhodiumToad	you might want to register it regardless
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2021-05-24 20:04:13	Dark	Done
2021-05-24 20:04:17	Dark	With the nick TiMiDO
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2021-05-24 20:32:01	bsdbandit	what is everyone using for virtualization
2021-05-24 20:32:09	bsdbandit	other than virtualbozx
2021-05-24 20:32:10	bsdbandit	box
2021-05-24 20:32:11	bsdbandit	?
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2021-05-24 20:39:51	--	ptx0 is now known as d[^_^]b
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2021-05-24 20:52:50	RipFreenode[llf]	SUPPORT LLF (LET'S LEAVE FREENODE) BY ONLY WRITING IN CAPSLOCK FROM NOW. ADD [llf] TO YOUR NICK!
2021-05-24 20:53:04	nesta	no
2021-05-24 20:53:15	RipFreenode[llf]	yes
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2021-05-24 21:02:39	mvanbaak	what the ... of course not
2021-05-24 21:03:15	RhodiumToad	just say no to anonymous tor trolls
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2021-05-24 21:04:49	mvanbaak	yups. annoying
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2021-05-24 21:05:47	mvanbaak	I get it there is an issue right now and I'm in favor of moving off of freenode, but common, have a look at the topic and let the powers that be do their work. Those kind of childish actions dont help anyone
2021-05-24 21:06:30	RhodiumToad	(a) they left and (b) you're assuming some trace of good faith, which seems silly
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2021-05-24 22:24:40	R2COM	so if I want to deploy poudriere server to serve packages for my own purpose, can it be done on same single PC?
2021-05-24 22:25:01	R2COM	i.e. build poudriere ports, run webserver and use packages from that server all on single same PC?
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2021-05-24 22:28:59	vishwin	yes, and you don't even need an httpd for that
2021-05-24 22:29:20	vishwin	pkg repositories can be specified with file://
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2021-05-24 22:30:07	vishwin	using file:// will also save you some disk space as the logic for downloading and caching packages is not followed
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2021-05-24 23:10:05	_xor	Those trolls are so cringworthy with stuff like "LLF" etc
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2021-05-24 23:19:35	_xor	Hmm, if I track head on ports, I wonder how long I could go before builds start failing due to the target FreeBSD version.
2021-05-24 23:21:17	RhodiumToad	why would they fail?
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2021-05-24 23:21:33	R2COM	hm
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2021-05-24 23:22:55	_xor	Well, thinking about it now, my assumptions are probably wrong.
2021-05-24 23:23:18	RhodiumToad	ports support for old fbsd versions does end when those versions are EOLed
2021-05-24 23:23:28	_xor	I was thinking that ports might refuse to build for specific ABIs (like trying to build a port from 2000 in 2021 lets say)
2021-05-24 23:23:56	_xor	But I'm now wondering (and should read the docs on this) as to how ports specify the specific version of FreeBSD support (if they do) and if it's whitelist/blacklist/etc.
2021-05-24 23:24:04	RhodiumToad	right, if you try and build ports on fbsd 10 for example, or old 11.x versions, the framework will warn you that it's out of support
2021-05-24 23:24:36	RhodiumToad	individual ports can declare themselves BROKEN on specific versions
2021-05-24 23:25:20	_xor	Ah
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2021-05-24 23:25:36	RhodiumToad	the framework checks versions too
2021-05-24 23:26:01	RhodiumToad	but you can define ALLOW_UNSUPPORTED_SYSTEM to make it just be a warning from the framework
2021-05-24 23:26:50	RhodiumToad	so right now the framework requires 11.4, 12.2, 13+, or dfly 4.4+
2021-05-24 23:27:29	knight_of_ni_	Trying to "harden" a new installation of FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE I added 3 lines to /etc/sysctl.conf: kern.elf32.aslr.enable=1, kern.elf32.aslr.pie_enable=1, kern.elf32.allow_wx=0, kern.randompid=1.  I think one of them my have bricked my system, on cold boot it hangs at "kbd2 at ukbd1".  When it used to book ok, the next message should have been "lo0: link state changed to UP" but now it never reaches that point.  Is there
2021-05-24 23:27:29	knight_of_ni_	any way I can recover?
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2021-05-24 23:28:11	RhodiumToad	knight_of_ni_: what cpu/arch?
2021-05-24 23:28:21	RhodiumToad	knight_of_ni_: you can use the loader prompt to boot to single user
2021-05-24 23:28:33	knight_of_ni_	armv6 on Raspberry Pi 1
2021-05-24 23:29:03	RhodiumToad	are you looking at a serial console or the video output?
2021-05-24 23:29:25	knight_of_ni_	i am looking at video (HDMI)
2021-05-24 23:29:35	RhodiumToad	if you have a serial cable, use that
2021-05-24 23:30:12	RhodiumToad	RPI doesn't actually allow the keyboard/video to be a real console, only the serial port works for console input or errors
2021-05-24 23:30:24	RhodiumToad	some (not all) of the console output will get mirrored to the screen
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2021-05-24 23:35:02	knight_of_ni_	i interrupted the bootup (10 seconds countdown) and then typed "boot -s" to enter single user mode, but the on-screen messages still hang on "kbd2 at ukbd1"
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2021-05-24 23:36:12	knight_of_ni_	what should i do after i connect to the raspi via serial? will i be able to edit /etc/sysctl.conf?
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2021-05-24 23:52:13	RhodiumToad	typed what where?
2021-05-24 23:52:48	RhodiumToad	oh
2021-05-24 23:53:09	RhodiumToad	on serial, yes, you should be able to get the single user shell
2021-05-24 23:55:06	knight_of_ni_	thanks, will try serial
2021-05-25 00:01:43	_xor	rt, you know of any way to recover a pi4 that has no video output?
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2021-05-25 00:03:22	 *	_xor is an idiot and didn't try booting up an rpi4 he bought until a month later
2021-05-25 00:03:40	_xor	Bought two units, one with 4gb & one with 8gb.
2021-05-25 00:04:01	_xor	8gb unit works fine, but the 4gb unit doesn't show any video output. Too late to exchange it now too.
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2021-05-25 00:04:13	_xor	I'm wondering if I have any other alternatives to see if it's still usable at all.
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2021-05-25 00:21:56	knight_of_ni_	set up ssh via serial, then use it as a headless server?
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2021-05-25 00:47:26	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-05-25 00:47:29	WiseSon	;)
2021-05-25 00:54:39	AppleGNU	hi WiseSon
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2021-05-25 01:16:49	knight_of_ni_	does FreeBSD override the default Raspberry Pi serial parameters 9600/8N1 with it's own? i connected to it via serial console (minicom on linux) but all i get when booting the RasPi is garbage characters in minicom
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2021-05-25 01:31:38	mrelcee	knight_of_ni_:    garbage chars usually mean baud rate is wrong.       freebsd seems to set it at 115200
2021-05-25 01:32:33	mrelcee	you can edit config.txt on the pi if you want 9600
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2021-05-25 01:38:46	knight_of_ni_	115200 worked!
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2021-05-25 01:39:13	knight_of_ni_	after boot messages stop scrolling, i get to this line
2021-05-25 01:39:17	knight_of_ni_	Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
2021-05-25 01:40:04	knight_of_ni_	pressing enter gives...
2021-05-25 01:40:26	knight_of_ni_	exec_new_vmspace: mapping stack size 0x4000000 prot 0x7 failed mach error 2 errno 13
2021-05-25 01:40:37	knight_of_ni_	2021-05-24T18:18:22.268199-07:00 - init 1 - - single user shell terminated, restarting
2021-05-25 01:40:53	knight_of_ni_	and places me back at the prompt...
2021-05-25 01:41:04	knight_of_ni_	Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
2021-05-25 01:43:38	mrelcee	sd card problem?
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2021-05-25 02:01:18	node1	Hello i'm looking for a help regarding rrdtool compilation from source on freebsd.
2021-05-25 02:02:00	node1	 After running ./configure --prefix=$INSTALL_DIR && make && make install, it says "configure: error: Please fix the library issues listed above and try again."
2021-05-25 02:02:40	node1	Does anyone have any idea how to solve such issue?. Do i need to make changes in Makefile.am ?
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2021-05-25 02:03:15	Tabmow	node1: why not use the package or build from ports?
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2021-05-25 02:04:10	node1	why not because i don't want to do that , just for learning purposes. Can't i install from source on freebsd?
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2021-05-25 02:04:39	node1	Please see the log https://pastebin.com/raw/z0mayW9t
2021-05-25 02:05:00	node1	The main goal is to resolve such issue "configure: error: Please fix the library issues listed above and try again."
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2021-05-25 02:05:51	node1	to fix such library issue on freebsd while compiling any such program.
2021-05-25 02:06:17	node1	Your help would be highly appreciated.
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2021-05-25 02:10:38	knight_of_ni_	i set sysctl kern.elf32.allow_wx=0 and now system won't boot. tried both keyboard/monitor and serial console. anyway to reverse the change in /etc/sysctl.conf?
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2021-05-25 02:17:03	Tabmow	node1: it's not normally advisable to do it that way - but looks like you are missing some dependencies
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2021-05-25 02:25:12	mrelcee	knight_of_ni_  it it wont boot you'll need a working system to mount and edit the file on.
2021-05-25 02:25:19	mrelcee	if it
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2021-05-25 02:29:59	node1	Tabmow, This is the site where i'm referning to install rrdtool.
2021-05-25 02:32:52	node1	This is how  i have install libpng-1.2.18.tar.gz one of it's dependency  https://pastebin.com/raw/LFVqFWJD , but not sure how to link it with rrdtool source
2021-05-25 02:33:11	knight_of_ni_	i inserted the FreeBSD SD card from the RasPi into a Linux computer. fdisk shows /dev/sda2 as a FreeBSD partition. what file system should i mount it as?
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2021-05-25 02:34:19	node1	Tabmow, Do you have any idea what's missing from the log here https://pastebin.com/raw/z0mayW9t ?
2021-05-25 02:34:56	knight_of_ni_	# mount -t ufs /dev/sda2 /mnt/foo/ doesn't work
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2021-05-25 02:37:55	mrelcee	probably need to load the ufs module
2021-05-25 02:38:16	mrelcee	sudo modprobe ufs
2021-05-25 02:38:59	mrelcee	sudo mount -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2  /devicename  /mountpoint
2021-05-25 02:40:18	mrelcee	devicename would be something like /dev/sda6
2021-05-25 02:40:49	mrelcee	fdisk should list that
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2021-05-25 02:47:03	Tabmow	node1: I have no idea, sorry. You can view the Makefile in /usr/ports/databases/rrdtool to give you some pointers, or install the pkg/port...
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2021-05-25 02:52:02	knight_of_ni_	this worked... almost :)
2021-05-25 02:52:08	knight_of_ni_	# mount -t ufs -o loop,offset=$((41 * 512)),ufstype=ufs2 /dev/sda2 /mnt/foo
2021-05-25 02:52:30	knight_of_ni_	mount: /mnt/foo: WARNING: device write-protected, mounted read-only.
2021-05-25 02:53:00	knight_of_ni_	i'm soooo close to editing /etc/sysctl.conf :)
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2021-05-25 05:35:45	iulian115c	In domain(9) says "Once a domain is added it cannot be unloaded".
2021-05-25 05:35:45	iulian115c	Now I'm asking myself, there si a way to test my module without restarting the the entire system?
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2021-05-25 05:38:52	iulian115c	Any idea?
2021-05-25 05:42:20	tsoome	iulian115c  kldunload?
2021-05-25 05:44:05	iulian115c	I tried, but every time I unload the module, the system crashes and restarts.
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2021-05-25 05:45:03	tsoome	then you have some sort of issue there
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2021-05-25 05:47:10	iulian115c	So, ususly, the unload of module when I use DOMAIN_SET should not crush my system ?
2021-05-25 05:49:01	tsoome	I can not tell about that particular API, but if you have no consumers for your module and all resources are properly released, you should be good.
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2021-05-25 05:52:34	iulian115c	<tsoome>: ok, thank you for this advice!
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2021-05-25 06:45:54	@debdrup	Quite splatty.
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2021-05-25 06:49:16	Ltning	Not sure I like the operational qualities of this network anymore :D
2021-05-25 06:49:27	Ltning	Then again, libera isn't any better .. I guess they have their shit to deal with.
2021-05-25 06:50:13	xtao	indeed. which is why several channels are taking a wait and see what happens approach to the whole thing. although i reckon after two weeks nobody will care any more and channels will just end up staying here
2021-05-25 06:52:09	Ampera	Don't worry, whatever happens, it'll be a mess.
2021-05-25 06:52:25	Ampera	everyone will be mad, bro
2021-05-25 06:54:14	@debdrup	Not that I'm fond of Jungian psychology, but it seems to me that it'd not a bad idea to avoid projections.
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2021-05-25 08:08:06	CyberCr33p	I use "portmaster --no-confirm -y -a" and sometimes I get a question like this: ===>>> Delete gettext-1.07.tar.gz? y/n [n] . How can I automatically anwser yes to these questions?
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2021-05-25 08:12:39	FUZxxl	CyberCr33p: yes | portmaster
2021-05-25 08:12:55	CyberCr33p	thanks
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2021-05-25 08:20:40	weust	anyone happen to know the difference between "server" and "servers" in ntpd.conf? the man doesn't say and reads as if it does the exact same thing.
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2021-05-25 09:05:03	xtao	i assume you're talking about the openbsd openntp ?
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2021-05-25 09:05:18	weust	yes
2021-05-25 09:05:28	xtao	server is expecting a single IP address or server, servers is expecting a DNS name that points to a pool of servers like pool.ntp.orf
2021-05-25 09:05:31	xtao	*org
2021-05-25 09:05:35	weust	sorry, I was under the impression the same went for /etc/ntpd.conf
2021-05-25 09:06:00	weust	ooh ok. that makes sense
2021-05-25 09:06:02	xtao	the other ntpd is named ntp.conf rather than ntpd.conf and uses server and pool
2021-05-25 09:06:40	weust	ok, now understand the man.
2021-05-25 09:06:49	weust	yeah, indeed. my bad.
2021-05-25 09:07:01	xtao	if you use servers pool.ntp.org it'll resolve and add about 4 servers from the pool
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2021-05-25 09:07:33	weust	yeah, I know that. I always used 0. through 3.nl.pool.ntp.org.
2021-05-25 09:07:39	weust	need to change that.
2021-05-25 09:08:11	xtao	just reading the man page myself. if you use server pool.ntp.org it looks like it just takes the first one and uses that as a single server. that's probably the only difference :)
2021-05-25 09:08:12	weust	for my laptop, not always at home, I could then use "server time" and "servers nl.pool.ntp.org" I guess
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2021-05-25 09:12:34	weust	restarting the service with the change tells me "configuration OK". nice and thanks xtao
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2021-05-25 09:38:40	gpeskens	Sigh seems I've managed to crap on my zfs boot :/ I've recently turned on zstd on some datasets on the root pool, and (at least) forgot to install the new efi boot loader. Powerfailure and now my system won't boot: "ZFS unsupported compression algorithm 16". Already chrooted into the system, and copied the /boot/loader.efi file to EFI partition, but no luch
2021-05-25 09:38:43	gpeskens	*luck
2021-05-25 09:39:41	gpeskens	Any idea what other bit I need to update in order to get my system booting again?
2021-05-25 09:39:44	xtao	that should be all you need to do. you *sure* it's using that EFI partition and not a BIOS legacy boot?
2021-05-25 09:42:16	gpeskens	https://imgdump5.novarata.net/lutpag.png
2021-05-25 09:42:18	gpeskens	yeah :)
2021-05-25 09:42:33	gpeskens	unless I missed one of the EFI partitions
2021-05-25 09:42:43	gpeskens	it should be updated
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2021-05-25 09:45:05	gpeskens	OK lol, that's exactly what happened :/
2021-05-25 09:45:15	gpeskens	Sorry for wasting your time :P
2021-05-25 09:45:51	gpeskens	(I've got a 6 disk raidz2 in there, and each has it's own EFI partition, so it should always boot with one or more disks pulled/borked)
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2021-05-25 09:49:19	ivaat	so what you guys think of this current freenode situation?
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2021-05-25 09:55:05	d[^_^]b	ivaat: no one really cares, keep it on-topic
2021-05-25 09:55:28	ivaat	sure they do.. i am on topic
2021-05-25 09:55:40	Ampera	no one really cares, keep it on-topic
2021-05-25 09:56:16	ivaat	sy by not caring whole freenode and IT related news sites are speaking about.. :)
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2021-05-25 10:30:43	weust	ivaat: that is what #freebsd-social is for
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2021-05-25 10:36:17	ivaat	ok
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2021-05-25 10:49:12	huwjr	Anyone ever seen a L2ARC drive causing wired memory to never be dropped?
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2021-05-25 10:59:59	craigger	I've been observing that since upgrading to 13.0.
2021-05-25 11:00:23	craigger	which coincided with the installation of an ssd for L2ARC.
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2021-05-25 11:36:10	Onepamopa	Wondering ... could a physical port (for example - the 2nd port of a dual-port nic) be used as a KNI (i.e. expose it as a "dummy" ethernet device to the kernel, but have the actual hw performance/features? it would be polled by the dpdk app anyway..
2021-05-25 11:38:53	Onepamopa	ops, not here :)
2021-05-25 11:39:06	CrtxReavr	Does FreeBSD burn a file descripter per TCP connection?
2021-05-25 11:39:13	Onepamopa	I reallty need to look more carefully where I start typing :)
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2021-05-25 11:44:01	ceri	CrtxReavr: i dunno about "burn" but if someone is listening to a socket then there will be an fd somewhere, yeah
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2021-05-25 11:49:02	kevans91	+1
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2021-05-25 11:54:38	Onepamopa	CrtxReavr, it would obviously "burn" multiple fds per conneciton. Say you listen & accept (a server scenarion) - a conneciton arrives and thread X "gets" the conneciton (i.e. handles its fd). Question comes on persistent connections when the thread that initially accepted the connection is too busy, another thread could "work" on that connection by getting a reference to its fd :)
2021-05-25 11:55:01	Onepamopa	correction - 1 fd per conneciton, not "multiple". multiple in general
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2021-05-25 11:59:09	Dani-hp	Hi there, i just tried upgrading from FBSD 11.4 to 12.2. After the first freebsd-update install and reboot i'm stuck after the freebsd boot menu with the following message: "Start @ 0xffff…… EFI framebuffer information" and so on. Anyone has an idea?
2021-05-25 12:00:25	paulf	can you boot to single user?
2021-05-25 12:01:25	Dani-hp	nope, same issue
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2021-05-25 12:05:47	paulf	do you have backups? I would try to boot from usb or optical disk and check the disks can be mounted
2021-05-25 12:06:40	paulf	and did you only do a freebsd-update, or did you also change anything else?
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2021-05-25 12:07:09	Dani-hp	nothing else
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2021-05-25 12:07:48	tsoome	Dani-hp I'm afraid, you have been bitten by one bug we haven't been able to fix for some time...
2021-05-25 12:07:52	randombit	is it possible to load the amdgpu module via loader instead of the rc?
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2021-05-25 12:08:21	Dani-hp	tsoome: any information for a workaround and the bug itself?
2021-05-25 12:08:56	tsoome	you can try to esc out from boot menu, enter ls few times and then enter boot
2021-05-25 12:09:34	randombit	so, like instead of the "kld_list="/boot/modules/amdgpu.ko"" in rc.conf, i write in loader.conf: amdgpu_load="YES"?
2021-05-25 12:10:32	Dani-hp	"ls a few times" ? like realy? :-) what means few times?
2021-05-25 12:10:42	tsoome	2-3 times
2021-05-25 12:11:08	tsoome	*sometimes* it has been doing the trick, but not always
2021-05-25 12:11:26	Dani-hp	looks like same problem..
2021-05-25 12:11:55	tsoome	but the real workaround is either to use bios boot or use older loader.
2021-05-25 12:13:24	Dani-hp	is there a way to switch to the older loader without booting?
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2021-05-25 12:14:32	tsoome	I *think*, the issue seems to be that with some UEFI memory map layout, we get bad memory content while we are putting loaded files to final location
2021-05-25 12:15:38	tsoome	if you have older loader binary on disk, you can try command chain /path/to/loaer.efi.old
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2021-05-25 12:16:33	tsoome	õ
2021-05-25 12:16:46	tsoome	little fingers:)
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2021-05-25 12:19:20	Dani-hp	guess i dont..
2021-05-25 12:19:54	tsoome	I guess I need to take the time and just fix it....
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2021-05-25 12:22:48	Dani-hp	is there a bug report? or an other way? there was no real info about that - not even by the errata notes
2021-05-25 12:23:06	tsoome	yes there is
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2021-05-25 12:27:13	last1	if in my arp table I see that host1 has mac address 00:50:56:85:2c:f1 and IP 192.168.1.35 , but when I tcpdump my traffic, I see FreeBSD sending traffic for that IP to my gateway instead ( 192.168.1.1 ) and another mac address
2021-05-25 12:27:16	last1	what could be causing that ?
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2021-05-25 12:30:10	Dani-hp	tsoome: i switched to legacy boot and no the boot is stuck at /boot/entropy...
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2021-05-25 12:30:53	tsoome	hm, thats interesting
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2021-05-25 12:39:28	Dani-hp	any idea what else i could try tsoome?
2021-05-25 12:39:33	tsoome	is the boot blocks updated for bios boot?
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2021-05-25 12:40:36	tsoome	oh, silly me, it does not matter there
2021-05-25 12:41:21	tsoome	why it would get stuck after/on entropy... that does not make sense..
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2021-05-25 12:42:19	tsoome	this is hp laptop?
2021-05-25 12:42:31	Dani-hp	its a hp server yes
2021-05-25 12:42:33	tsoome	how large disk?
2021-05-25 12:42:37	Dani-hp	1tb
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2021-05-25 12:43:39	tsoome	well you can do manual load test, esc out to ok prompt
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2021-05-25 12:44:06	tsoome	then enter: load /boot/kernel/kernel
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2021-05-25 12:44:24	tsoome	then. load /boot/entropy
2021-05-25 12:44:44	Dani-hp	legacy or uefi mode?
2021-05-25 12:44:52	tsoome	legacy
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2021-05-25 12:45:47	tsoome	if loading the entropy will return ok prompt, then it is not about that file...
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2021-05-25 12:46:41	Dani-hp	i'll try - give me a sec
2021-05-25 12:46:49	Dani-hp	and there is no other workaround for uefi?
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2021-05-25 12:47:12	tsoome	pick loader.efi from 11.4 iso, I guess
2021-05-25 12:47:28	tsoome	I mean, if you do not have old binary around.
2021-05-25 12:48:24	tsoome	ou, there is one more option
2021-05-25 12:48:32	Dani-hp	"don't know how to load module /boot/entropy"
2021-05-25 12:48:47	Dani-hp	(with legacy boot)
2021-05-25 12:48:55	tsoome	as it got broken after upgrade, it means, you have boot1.efi in ESP
2021-05-25 12:49:20	Dani-hp	"ESP"? :-)
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2021-05-25 12:49:26	tsoome	you can copy /boot/loader.efi to ESP, it may do the trick
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2021-05-25 12:49:41	tsoome	efi system partition
2021-05-25 12:49:59	tsoome	its partition with FAT file system on it
2021-05-25 12:50:37	Dani-hp	ehm and how would i do that from the loader prompt? or would i have to boot an other system and do it from there?
2021-05-25 12:51:10	tsoome	you need usb/iso boot to live session
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2021-05-25 12:51:59	tsoome	with boot1, the UEFI will load boot1.efi from ESP and start it; boot1 will allocate its heap, will search for /boot/loader.efi, load and start it.
2021-05-25 12:52:23	Dani-hp	i see.. did you see my message about "don't know how to load module /boot/entropy"
2021-05-25 12:52:46	tsoome	the catch with uefi apps is, if you load and start next binary, your old one will stay in memory, it is not replaced
2021-05-25 12:53:26	tsoome	lets ignore entropy thing for now
2021-05-25 12:53:36	Dani-hp	we use zfs and i could boot the old fbsd 11.4 bootenv i guess
2021-05-25 12:53:42	Dani-hp	could i fix that from there also?
2021-05-25 12:55:00	Dani-hp	for example boot old zfs, mount new zfs boot env, copy loader to new env?
2021-05-25 12:55:02	tsoome	should be possible, yes.
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2021-05-25 12:56:03	tsoome	pool features are not upgraded, so you should be able to mount
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2021-05-25 12:56:32	Dani-hp	but can't i then just replace loader.efi (the new) with loader.efi (the old) - reboot and try again?=
2021-05-25 12:58:00	tsoome	yes you can try this indeed
2021-05-25 12:58:14	tsoome	just make copy of original.
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2021-05-25 13:01:27	Dani-hp	ofc
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2021-05-25 13:01:54	mtu	is there a way to run poudriere bulk runs on several jails in one command? seems like "poudriere bulk -j first -j second" doesn't do that
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2021-05-25 13:04:05	Dani-hp	tsoome: now i get: efi-autoresizecons not found - can't load kernel
2021-05-25 13:06:15	tsoome	ou, you have old BE?
2021-05-25 13:06:41	tsoome	start legacy, on first spinner press space, you get boot: prompt
2021-05-25 13:06:59	Dani-hp	i copied the loader.efi from FBSD 11.4 to the 12.2 /boot
2021-05-25 13:07:21	tsoome	on boot prompt, enter: zfs:zroot/ROOT/oldbename:
2021-05-25 13:07:52	Dani-hp	i can boot the old boot env without a problem?
2021-05-25 13:08:07	tsoome	should be ok
2021-05-25 13:08:28	Dani-hp	i mean i can already do that
2021-05-25 13:08:36	Dani-hp	why would i need to mount the old boot env?
2021-05-25 13:08:48	tsoome	once you get menu, you actually should be able to switch to new be from it and start new system
2021-05-25 13:08:49	Dani-hp	i get that error when trying to boot the "updated" BE
2021-05-25 13:09:01	tsoome	you get old loader from old be
2021-05-25 13:09:27	kevans91	yeah, old loader with new scripts is no good
2021-05-25 13:09:41	kevans91	you can drop the efi-autoresizecons invocation thought
2021-05-25 13:09:43	kevans91	though
2021-05-25 13:09:53	Dani-hp	ok now i dont realy understand :-D
2021-05-25 13:10:00	Dani-hp	i have to go back to legacy boot?
2021-05-25 13:10:08	kevans91	you can still boot via old be, right?
2021-05-25 13:10:11	Dani-hp	ye
2021-05-25 13:10:28	kevans91	boot into that, mount the new be, copy forth scripts over
2021-05-25 13:11:07	kevans91	or hunt down the efi-autoresizecons invocation and comment it out, but copying scripts over sure is easier
2021-05-25 13:11:47	Dani-hp	argh no, now i dont even get the boot menu
2021-05-25 13:12:00	Dani-hp	now i think i understand tsoome
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2021-05-25 13:17:03	tsoome	uefi boot1 does not allow to pick BE
2021-05-25 13:17:19	tsoome	bios one does
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2021-05-25 13:19:00	Dani-hp	so chain /boot/loader.efi.new -> loads the menu -> and then pick BE wont work i guess?
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2021-05-25 13:22:57	Dani-hp	tsoome: when exactly should i press space to get the "boot: prompt"?
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2021-05-25 13:23:53	Dani-hp	kevans91: what scripts do you mean exactly?
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2021-05-25 13:27:15	kevans91	find /boot -name '*.4th'
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2021-05-25 13:30:48	Dani-hp	doesn't that break other functionality kevans91? or should i just replace them, boot the new bootenv, finish the 12.2 install and then place them again?
2021-05-25 13:31:17	Dani-hp	tsoome: i guess starting over would bring nothing? the problem would occur again?
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2021-05-25 13:44:53	Dani-hp	ping tsoome
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2021-05-25 13:50:08	tsoome	most likely, yes
2021-05-25 13:50:50	Dani-hp	but i guess this doesn't happen to each 12.2 install? what exactly does trigger this?
2021-05-25 13:51:01	Dani-hp	is it the hpe hardware or the upgrade path from 11.4 to 12.2?
2021-05-25 13:52:12	tsoome	assuming my hunch is correct, then the memory layout at the time we copy the files in place in memory
2021-05-25 13:52:41	tsoome	hence the idea about trying loader.efi in ESP (instead of boot1.efi)
2021-05-25 13:54:29	Dani-hp	but i still dont get why exactly just we (or a few others?) are triggerin this bug?
2021-05-25 13:55:09	tsoome	that is the issue - it is rare
2021-05-25 13:56:10	Dani-hp	so there is no way to upgrade to 12.2 right now for this installation? without having to a manual kind of workaround
2021-05-25 13:56:16	tsoome	but, we found it also can happen in vmware vm, so thats our hope for finding root cause and fixing it
2021-05-25 13:57:23	tsoome	if you can use loader from 11.4, that will allow you to upgrade. it is annoying, but better than nothing
2021-05-25 13:57:55	Dani-hp	you mean the way kevans91 explained? by copying the loader + the *.4th scripts?
2021-05-25 13:57:59	tsoome	if the workaround is to start loader directly from ESP, then it is better.
2021-05-25 13:58:09	tsoome	yes
2021-05-25 13:58:34	Dani-hp	and after the upgrade is finished it should again work correct? with the 12.2 default stuff?
2021-05-25 13:59:02	tsoome	that needs to be tested.
2021-05-25 13:59:31	Dani-hp	that is not really motivating :-)
2021-05-25 13:59:37	tsoome	:)
2021-05-25 13:59:40	tsoome	I know.
2021-05-25 14:00:46	Dani-hp	and what would help you the most? so you could maybe find the cause of this? do you think this would also happen when installing fbsd 12.2 from source or doing a fresh install on the same kind of hardware?
2021-05-25 14:00:48	tsoome	debugging that stuff means attaching debugger to vm and spending ridiculous amount of time there (which is why I have been avoiding it tbh:)
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2021-05-25 14:02:47	kevans91	if boot1.efi being resident isn't helping then a fresh 12.2 install could go better
2021-05-25 14:02:54	kevans91	not sure that's the case, though
2021-05-25 14:03:19	kevans91	12.x is where we started plopping loader.efi directly onto the ESP
2021-05-25 14:05:02	Dani-hp	i see.. i think i'll finish for today and try to setup a freebsd 12.2 fresh on identical hardware and see what happens
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2021-05-25 14:05:25	Dani-hp	but this would really "suck" for us, since we mostly have identical hw everywhere… :-)
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2021-05-25 14:08:12	tsoome	Dani-hp https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=255073
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2021-05-25 14:12:30	Dani-hp	Thanks for the link. HP too there..
2021-05-25 14:14:06	Dani-hp	oh man .. i'll try more tomorrow.. already thanks a lot for your help and assistance tsoome and also kevans91
2021-05-25 14:14:54	Dani-hp	i also see - this problem also exists for fbsd 13 - correct?
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2021-05-25 14:43:14	huwjr	craigger, sorry I was very much embroiled in stuff earlier - are you pretty convinced it's behaving wrong, as I am?
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2021-05-25 14:44:35	huwjr	I've had regular server crashes ever since the upgrade from 11 to 13 as well and it stopped happening at the time I doubled memory available and also removed the l2arc SSD trying to minimise complexity
2021-05-25 14:45:04	huwjr	after 7 days of no crashes i added the l2arc ssd back in and it's crashed on the first night again.
2021-05-25 14:45:34	huwjr	surely this is a big deal?
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2021-05-25 14:47:32	huwjr	the graphs are hilarious, with l2arc ssd installed the RAM stays wired at like 95% and without it it's frequently around the 60% mark
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2021-05-25 14:48:11	craigger	Yeah, something isn't right.  Since I upgraded to 13 and added the ssd L2ARC at the same time, I wasn't sure if the change was from 13 or not.
2021-05-25 14:49:03	huwjr	why am i not seeing 9000 bug reports about this
2021-05-25 14:49:07	craigger	My desktop has 16G of ram, and it'll coast along as it did previously, but at some point, WIRED will start increasing, and never decrease.
2021-05-25 14:49:12	huwjr	spent like a month chasing down a hardware issue
2021-05-25 14:49:45	craigger	I'm not sure - bugzill and the forums were first thing I checked, too, so I thought I had an error on my end.
2021-05-25 14:49:51	huwjr	yes this is basically what i saw but because it is a backup server and a lot of backups trigger at the same time it just dies instantly
2021-05-25 14:50:22	huwjr	and also no processes (like rsync using 2gb of ram) got killed
2021-05-25 14:50:25	huwjr	it just insta-died
2021-05-25 14:50:31	craigger	I've left my desktop idle overnight, and come back in the morning to see the swap at 100% and wired at 16G - the machine basically useless without a reboot.
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2021-05-25 14:50:55	huwjr	i'm so freaking glad i'm not going mad
2021-05-25 14:51:24	huwjr	i didn't actually believe what i was seeing, i was convinced it was hardware
2021-05-25 14:51:33	craigger	I've also found that IO hangs when I try to remove the L2ARC, forcing a reboot.
2021-05-25 14:52:02	craigger	It took several tries to successfully remove the L2ARC.
2021-05-25 14:52:05	huwjr	really? i didn't notice that but i only removed once yesterday
2021-05-25 14:52:18	huwjr	i actually rebuilt the zfs pool from scratch thinking it was a bad upgrade
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2021-05-25 14:52:52	huwjr	how the hell can we report this and why isn't everyone screaming about it XD
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2021-05-25 14:56:10	craigger	Filing a bug at bugzilla would probably be the best option.  I'm glad to see (sort of), that it isn't just me.
2021-05-25 14:56:26	huwjr	is bugzilla still alive?
2021-05-25 14:57:32	craigger	Yes, so far as I know.  It's still linked to on the FreeBSD website.
2021-05-25 14:57:53	huwjr	is it an issue with freebsd or zfs?
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2021-05-25 14:58:17	huwjr	i mean not killing processes that could be killed seems like freebsd but zfs is the obvious feature here
2021-05-25 15:00:18	huwjr	going to log off and get some much needed rest. If i file a bug report tomorrow I will drop you a message for a 'me too'
2021-05-25 15:00:26	huwjr	:)
2021-05-25 15:00:32	craigger	Right.  I don't know where the issue lies.  I have two fairly different machines, but both use zfs, and I've only observed this on the host with L2ARC
2021-05-25 15:00:42	craigger	Sounds good - thank you.
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2021-05-25 18:43:27	iulian115c	Any idea what documentation exist about DOMAIN_SET except domain(9), include/sys/domain.h and include/sys/protosw.h?
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2021-05-25 18:45:30	iulian115c	I try to find an example or a list with with the minimum of members  that need to be declared in order to load and unload the module without any error.
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2021-05-25 20:00:53	--	Topic for #freebsd is "20210524 - Update #3 on FreeBSD IRC re freenode situation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-05-25 20:00:53	--	Topic set by koobs on Mon, 24 May 2021 00:16:43
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2021-05-25 20:31:55	_xor	Opinion poll: What, in your opinion, is the biggest deficiency with kqueue? (up to top 3, in order)
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2021-05-25 20:32:39	 *	_xor is reading/refreshing his knowledge of kqueue vs. io_uring vs. epoll vs. i/o completion ports
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2021-05-25 20:57:50	koobs	_xor: i believe the most obvious one is scalability with lots of dirs monitored, which i dont believe has been addressed
2021-05-25 20:58:14	koobs	s/obvious/well-known
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2021-05-25 21:09:02	_xor	Yup, that one is a top one.
2021-05-25 21:09:19	_xor	I think rt looked at implementing something like that using audit, but I don't remember why he said that was going to be an issue.
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2021-05-25 21:24:05	aranjedeath	oh interesting. I have to read about io_uring (not a kernel developer, takes me a few reads). We are having issues slamming into max concurrent operations on file (hardcoded in golang) and the developers are thinking about ways around this
2021-05-25 21:24:55	aranjedeath	"file" is the network socket we are serving out of
2021-05-25 21:25:58	aranjedeath	panic: too many concurrent operations on a single file or socket (max 1048575) <-- error like this. number is hardcoded in lang
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2021-05-25 22:38:15	R2COM	is there a way in FreeBSD to build port inside jail in such a way that it won't need dependency on a target machine after being installed as a package?
2021-05-25 22:39:05	R2COM	say you build port XXX, which has dependency YYY, this dependency is provided during build in poudriere in jail, but make sure that once user installs the baked package with pkg, he will NOT have to have YYY on his system?
2021-05-25 22:39:30	jeffpc	R2COM: look into poudriere
2021-05-25 22:39:39	jeffpc	it's pretty slick
2021-05-25 22:40:07	R2COM	im looking, and my question is clearly related to poudriere, so is it doable or not
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2021-05-25 22:40:25	jeffpc	oh, I should've read both of your messages
2021-05-25 22:40:34	koobs	R2COM: you'd need to 'build static', which is orthogonal to whether in jail or host or otherwise
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2021-05-25 22:40:57	koobs	R2COM: and the extent to which you may be able to do that is an upstream/build system question
2021-05-25 22:41:10	R2COM	so if i build it in poudriere inside jail as static and providing YYY dependency during build, then after it becomes "pkg" user will not need YYY installed on his system?
2021-05-25 22:41:34	koobs	R2COM: if you mean building 'software A' which has multiple port/package deps, but then being able to install software A 'package', without installing those deps
2021-05-25 22:41:59	R2COM	yeah
2021-05-25 22:42:15	koobs	R2COM: what youre asking about is orthogonal (completely unrelated to) poudriere
2021-05-25 22:42:27	koobs	R2COM: basically youre asking the same question as 'flat paks'
2021-05-25 22:42:38	koobs	where you can pkg install, and you get everything at once, not requiring any dependencies
2021-05-25 22:42:40	R2COM	whats flat pak
2021-05-25 22:42:44	R2COM	ah
2021-05-25 22:42:44	R2COM	yes
2021-05-25 22:42:59	R2COM	so... using poudriere to build port with many dependencies as a flat pak
2021-05-25 22:43:03	koobs	whether you can do that for any particxular software is a software upstream question
2021-05-25 22:43:15	koobs	again, your question is unrelated to poudriere
2021-05-25 22:43:18	R2COM	what you mean by software upstream question
2021-05-25 22:43:20	R2COM	ok
2021-05-25 22:43:28	koobs	whoever makes the software
2021-05-25 22:43:39	koobs	whether they have the facilities/build mechanisms to 'bundle all the things'
2021-05-25 22:43:46	R2COM	ah ok
2021-05-25 22:44:02	koobs	outside that, youre basically asking about 'flat pak' or 'snap' style packaging
2021-05-25 22:44:18	koobs	which is a broader question
2021-05-25 22:44:36	koobs	and unrelated to poudriere / pkg (they cant/wont do this automatically for you)
2021-05-25 22:45:03	R2COM	got it
2021-05-25 22:45:13	koobs	R2COM: better stated, the question is: how do i build $software in a way which bundles/installs all of its dependencies as a single package
2021-05-25 22:45:27	R2COM	yea
2021-05-25 22:45:43	koobs	im not aware of a freebsd *specific* method (that uses ports/packges)
2021-05-25 22:46:08	koobs	*but* there are "universal" package manager / builder things that might be leveragable on/for freebsd
2021-05-25 22:46:22	R2COM	theoretically, if every large software with dependency had such principle, then on a system with various complex software there would be less chanfe of things breaking when one dependency changed and another software using same dependency doesnt like new version
2021-05-25 22:46:23	koobs	but they may or may not have, and may or may not support 'ports' as a source
2021-05-25 22:46:58	koobs	R2COM: there are multiple schools of thought / opinions / tradeoffs about that
2021-05-25 22:47:54	koobs	R2COM:  examples of others asking similar questions: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/possibility-to-port-snapd-flatpak-for-freebsd.68354/
2021-05-25 22:49:04	koobs	R2COM: good person to talk to is probono (author of helloSystem and AppImages)
2021-05-25 22:49:11	R2COM	1st reply tro that thread is strange
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2021-05-25 22:50:50	koobs	R2COM: for the broader context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_application#Portability_on_Linux_and_Unix-like_systems
2021-05-25 22:51:23	_xor	R2COM: Are you talking about build-time dependencies or run-time dependencies?
2021-05-25 22:51:42	R2COM	run time
2021-05-25 22:51:43	_xor	R2COM: If you're talking about build-time dependencies, then no, the users won't need them once the package is generated.
2021-05-25 22:51:46	R2COM	and build time too i guess
2021-05-25 22:51:58	R2COM	but anyway, i got the point
2021-05-25 22:52:09	_xor	R2COM: Packages specify run-time dependencies and so when you do pkg install, it will fetch the necessary packages + the package you want to install.
2021-05-25 22:52:37	_xor	If you're trying to create a single archive, well, that's somewhat what jails provide since you can package them into a jail and distribute it as an archive and/or zfs snapshot.
2021-05-25 22:52:51	R2COM	hm ok
2021-05-25 22:53:07	_xor	There's also fpm, a project that lets you build cross-platform packages (but I haven't used it much, so can't speak to it).
2021-05-25 22:53:29	_xor	There's also OCI stuff coming to FreeBSD, so you can build a container with all of your dependencies.
2021-05-25 22:53:37	R2COM	so jail concept with poudrier is basically something what NixOS Linux distro tried to achieve but the way FreeBSD does it is kinda architecturally superior, am I right?
2021-05-25 22:53:39	_xor	Nix is also continuing itsp ort to FreeBSD.
2021-05-25 22:53:53	R2COM	that linux distro used some crazy symbolic linking\
2021-05-25 22:54:24	_xor	You can also bundle all of the necessary package dependencies + your package into a single archive (I mean manually, though there may be a way to do it with poudriere), and then distribute that.  You can then do a local install from those files.
2021-05-25 22:54:28	R2COM	i.e. FreeBSD executes this requirement in more elegant way that NixOS
2021-05-25 22:55:27	_xor	They don't exactly solve the same problem.
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2021-05-25 22:55:56	_xor	Jails are more like: "Create this sandbox for me and I'll install stuff into it, run processes, etc."
2021-05-25 22:56:25	_xor	Package managers are more like: "I need to install application X and whatever it requires that might be packages separately, oh and I need this version, etc."
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2021-05-25 23:44:29	_xor	I just did the first reboot for freebsd-update and it's running the new kernel.
2021-05-25 23:45:00	_xor	If I run freebsd-update again, will it just install the userland and leave the old libraries until I run it again to delete it?
2021-05-25 23:45:39	_xor	I need to build the 13 repo using pouderiere, but I heard someone say that it might do it in one go now? (install new userland + delete stale files)
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2021-05-26 00:02:42	_xor	Nevermind, building new packages now.
2021-05-26 00:02:54	_xor	"Building 1830 ports" yay.
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2021-05-26 01:05:03	_xor	Going to create armv7 & arm64 jails after this.
2021-05-26 01:05:15	_xor	Dumb question, do I still need -x when creating those jails if I'm using qemu-user-static?
2021-05-26 01:05:24	 *	_xor can't remember if it needs native-xtools or not
2021-05-26 01:05:36	RhodiumToad	without -x it will be much slower
2021-05-26 01:05:41	_xor	I see.
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2021-05-26 01:06:48	RhodiumToad	the idea of -x is to save time by running the compilers and key tools natively rather than running the compiler under qemu
2021-05-26 01:06:49	_xor	Hmm, poudriere help says -x "Will only be used if -m is svn*."
2021-05-26 01:07:06	_xor	Does that need to be updated or is that correct if I try to use git?"
2021-05-26 01:07:21	RhodiumToad	where does it say that?
2021-05-26 01:07:24	_xor	Yeah, I just googled for native-xtools to read more about it, but it hasn't come back with much yet heh.
2021-05-26 01:07:27	_xor	poudriere --help
2021-05-26 01:08:00	_xor	Sorry, `poudriere jail --help`
2021-05-26 01:08:37	RhodiumToad	well, afaik it was never true; the real requirement is that you are building the jail from a src/obj tree
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2021-05-26 01:08:57	_xor	Ah, guess that should be updated.
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2021-05-26 01:09:24	RhodiumToad	I've been using -m src=/usr/src  (where /usr/src is a git working tree) and -x has always worked for me
2021-05-26 01:09:57	_xor	That's exactly what I'm going to do once this large, initial amd64 build is don.
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2021-05-26 01:12:15	_xor	Hopefully I get done with these pending projects within the coming month or two so that I can finish up the local webapp for Poudriere and make that available.
2021-05-26 01:12:45	_xor	Also I'm going to consolidate together all of my notes and publish that along with it.  Hopefully people get some use out of it.
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2021-05-26 01:29:53	iulian115c	any idea what is raw_ctlinput ?
2021-05-26 01:32:08	RhodiumToad	in what context?
2021-05-26 01:33:24	iulian115c	in context of struct protosw
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2021-05-26 01:35:22	RhodiumToad	so it's the .pr_ctlinput function for "raw" protocols
2021-05-26 01:37:48	RhodiumToad	for non-raw protocols, such as tcp or udp, pr_ctlinput is used to tell the protocol when some kind of control packet is received (e.g. for tcp or udp, an ICMP message)
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2021-05-26 02:23:14	iulian115c	RhodiumToad: so in case of raw protocols, raw_ctlinput has no effect?
2021-05-26 02:23:25	iulian115c	except: https://pastebin.com/d43jRxL0
2021-05-26 02:23:45	RhodiumToad	it does nothing
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2021-05-26 04:31:51	amn3siac	Hi. Why at freebsd 13 release for raspberry ethernet lights turned off ?
2021-05-26 04:31:58	amn3siac	and how to enable them ?
2021-05-26 04:32:14	FUZxxl	amn3siac: a good question!
2021-05-26 04:33:15	amn3siac	FUZxxl, thank you.
2021-05-26 04:33:47	amn3siac	I got this on raspberry 3b+
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2021-05-26 04:35:48	_xor	Not that I'd think it would make a difference, but I assume the interface is up?
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2021-05-26 04:36:47	amn3siac	Yes. Interface and vlans on it are up.
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2021-05-26 04:37:48	amn3siac	however main interface does not have address assigned.
2021-05-26 04:38:00	amn3siac	only vlans does
2021-05-26 04:38:29	amn3siac	raspberry itself accessible through vlan
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2021-05-26 04:39:24	amn3siac	ifconfig for ue0 says "status: active"
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2021-05-26 07:39:59	DaRock	hey guys
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2021-05-26 07:40:27	DaRock	has anyone come across issues with ipv6 when using postfix/postgrey at all?
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2021-05-26 07:42:56	zi	DaRock: i think postscreen includes all of that functionality now
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2021-05-26 07:43:11	zi	DaRock: might want to check it out instead
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2021-05-26 07:50:42	DaRock	from what I read they complement each other so one does not negate the need or the other - but that doesn't resolve the current issue I have :-)
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2021-05-26 08:59:57	toro	Hello! I am running FreeBSD 13.0 with tcsh as my default shell. According to the man page of the tcsh shell, the environment variable VENDOR displays the vendor name as determined by compile time. I have Intel CPU but it displays "amd". Why?
2021-05-26 09:01:03	Remilia	toro: possibly because tcsh was compiled on an AMD EPYC system? (for example)
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2021-05-26 09:02:33	toro	Remilia: Oh! But it gives fale VENDOR name. Isn't a problem?
2021-05-26 09:02:39	toro	*false
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2021-05-26 09:02:56	Remilia	it gives the correct VENDOR as per the man page
2021-05-26 09:03:27	toro	Remilia: :)
2021-05-26 09:03:45	Remilia	for reference, ports-built zsh will say "portbld"
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2021-05-26 09:04:31	toro	portbld as a VENDOR name? Why? It can't detect what CPU the system have?
2021-05-26 09:04:44	toro	*has?
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2021-05-26 09:11:24	DaRock	hey could anyone offer another debug technique to discover dropped packets in pf? I'm using rtables to forward over vxlan and tcp connections just aren't making it
2021-05-26 09:12:03	DaRock	I've checked other interfaces and the packets are heading there either, but they're simply not showing up on the vxlan interface
2021-05-26 09:12:04	wilbury	which is the first one?
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2021-05-26 09:26:35	sigod	hi
2021-05-26 09:26:56	FUZxxl	hi sigod
2021-05-26 09:28:15	choozy	hi
2021-05-26 09:30:02	sigod	I know this isn't a channel for nomadbsd but I installed the nvidia driver 390 package and enabled the kernel module for my gtx 660 and when I run glxgears I get error libgl error messages saying drirc config files are missing
2021-05-26 09:32:08	sigod	i know the driver is working because i can use full force composition pipeline to eliminate screen tearing in openbox
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2021-05-26 09:32:51	sigod	it just seems like glx is having issues
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2021-05-26 11:44:11	kulesh_	https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/6226/ ADIO ваще
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2021-05-26 12:02:35	randombit	heyhey. I ended up without mouse on fresh 13 stable, xfce install. Does anyone know how to manage this? Cant even get to settings without it... :s
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2021-05-26 12:12:37	y2k	randombit: You got on your /etc/rc.conf moused_type="auto" moused_enable="YES" ?
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2021-05-26 12:14:41	randombit	y2k, nope. Should set both? I didnt have them on 12
2021-05-26 12:15:13	rennj	perhaps see what xinput says
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2021-05-26 12:20:39	randombit	y2k, same.
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2021-05-26 12:23:02	y2k	check what your logs say about randombit
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2021-05-26 12:28:52	randombit	Like what.
2021-05-26 12:31:19	y2k	like rennj told you, check your xinput
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2021-05-26 12:37:54	randombit	(Virtual core pointer) --virtual core XTEST pointer
2021-05-26 12:38:07	randombit	--system mouse
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2021-05-26 12:47:15	y2k	randombit: Strange, i'm running 13 on xfce all working ok.
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2021-05-26 12:50:24	randombit	 Btw that mousd thingy is completely unnecessary im sure, yet i figured out... I thought i was missing something in loader.conf as i had mouse problem earlier on12 too, but solved it. Yet couldnt check the irc.log for it beeing huge for searching in console.
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2021-05-26 12:50:56	randombit	The solution is, ums. In loader: ums_load yes. Done.
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2021-05-26 12:51:50	randombit	No moused stuff u mentioned, or hald. Just ums in loader.
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2021-05-26 12:56:29	randombit	Too bad it took an hour for me to remember it. Next time i add #comments for entries
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2021-05-26 12:58:02	beanbag-	found an insteresting bug in freenas/freebsd
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2021-05-26 12:58:15	beanbag-	the bug is in the BTX loader
2021-05-26 12:58:39	beanbag-	if you insert a asmedia based msata to usb bridge adaptor in the system
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2021-05-26 12:58:53	beanbag-	btx when it goes to list all the bios drive letters, blows chunks with cpu regs etc
2021-05-26 12:59:33	beanbag-	the "usb" works fine in the installer and you can install to it just fine and fast
2021-05-26 12:59:36	beanbag-	but btx bombs out
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2021-05-26 13:08:21	beanbag-	it's only with this little msata to usb bridge adaptor so far though
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2021-05-26 13:48:31	w0ls0n	hi all
2021-05-26 13:49:15	w0ls0n	I have something at home I would like to monitor using a camera. I use Freebsd strictly as a console machine. Is there a way I could remotely connect to a camera on a freebsd box?
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2021-05-26 13:53:05	Iambchop	w0ls0n: do you have a specific camera in mind? USB, IP, HDMI, ...? what kind of monitoring? video/still periodic/continuous/motion-activated?
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2021-05-26 13:58:06	Iambchop	w0ls0n: I've never used it, but multimedia/motion: "a highly configurable program that monitors video signals from many types of cameras"
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2021-05-26 14:11:00	w0ls0n	Iambchop: I actually have pool thermostat I would like to view remotely
2021-05-26 14:11:11	w0ls0n	so yea probably usb
2021-05-26 14:11:25	w0ls0n	ty
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2021-05-26 14:17:01	Iambchop	w0ls0n: could probably build something lighter than motion on top of multimedia/pcwbsd http://raaf.atspace.org/
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2021-05-26 14:27:52	w0ls0n	I am just not entirely sure how I would view the webcam
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2021-05-26 14:29:01	w0ls0n	all the links take me to a gnu page
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2021-05-26 14:33:41	randombit	Does firefox crash for only me? It says "too much recursion" 13stable, firefox 88.0.1_1,2
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2021-05-26 14:38:59	Iambchop	w0ls0n: hmm... not sure what's up with their links :-) multimedia/pcwbsd + multimedia/ffmpeg and something like ffmpeg -i /dev/... -vframes 1 ~/public_html/thermostat.jpeg
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2021-05-26 15:00:55	w0ls0n	ty again
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2021-05-26 15:20:53	CrtxReavr	Who maintains the wiki page in the topic?
2021-05-26 15:21:05	<--	spiraliz (~spiraliz@2a03:b0c0:2:d0::294:a00f) has quit (Quit: %zzZZzz%)
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2021-05-26 15:23:58	CrtxReavr	'Cause python needs added to the list.
2021-05-26 15:24:17	randombit	Can someone explain to me why do i need to install GCC with Inkscape??? Since when does svg editing need compiling?
2021-05-26 15:24:36	CrtxReavr	IT's to build Inkscape.
2021-05-26 15:24:54	randombit	using pkg?
2021-05-26 15:25:05	CrtxReavr	Prolly libs, includes, etc.
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2021-05-26 15:26:11	randombit	The heaven of package management.
2021-05-26 15:26:13	CrtxReavr	Ports & packages in interchangeable. . . so if you're going to install a thing, you need to be able to build the thing.
2021-05-26 15:28:34	CrtxReavr	s/in/are
2021-05-26 15:29:14	randombit	Im pretty sure when i want to install a prebuilt package it means prebuilt. And a prebuilt package shouldnt be dependent on the source's deps. Its 2 different things. Or should be. Inskcape needs 1gb. For no reason.
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2021-05-26 15:34:46	CrtxReavr	randombit, whine to someone else.
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2021-05-26 16:22:03	rasenqan	-server notice- Warning, all references to libera.chat are now subject to network-wide ban (k-line)!
2021-05-26 16:22:30	kevans91	hah, cute
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2021-05-26 16:27:07	@debdrup	really.
2021-05-26 16:27:15	--	Mode #freebsd [+o debdrup] by ChanServ
2021-05-26 16:28:06	Aaron	;(
2021-05-26 16:29:54	blabber	Wtf?
2021-05-26 16:31:01	gbristol	they're really handling this professionally
2021-05-26 16:31:51	guntbert	yeah, straight from "How to drive people away 101"
2021-05-26 16:32:23	blabber	I hope IRC admins make up their mind fast to leave this place.
2021-05-26 16:32:30	Aaron	Rasen was a lier
2021-05-26 16:32:32	Aaron	Ignore him
2021-05-26 16:33:04	Aaron	To the few projects leaving based on falsehoods
2021-05-26 16:33:04	Aaron	freenode has been the home for the entire FOSS community for over 20 years. Fracturing the community only hurts users and FOSS. Your users don’t wish to migrate. Stop forcing them.
2021-05-26 16:33:13	Aaron	Sorry for the off topic...
2021-05-26 16:36:06	blabber	Freenode is a dumpster fire. Time to let go.
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2021-05-26 16:37:10	synthetek	if it's a dumpster fire, why are you here? "Time to Let go" ^
2021-05-26 16:37:48	gbristol	the fact that they shut down a bunch of channels that had anything about moving to libera in their topic shows where their heads are at
2021-05-26 16:38:24	kevans91	I do wonder how someone came up with the really clever rasenQan nick
2021-05-26 16:38:31	blabber	FreeBSD is my main reason to be here
2021-05-26 16:38:54	Aaron	I love Freenode because of my Nick <3
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2021-05-26 16:39:25	@debdrup	kevans91: I'm sure it must've taken hours of careful consideration.
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2021-05-26 16:40:52	blabber	It would be funnier if it wasn't so close to the truth.
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2021-05-26 16:52:20	probono	bye bye freenode. https://twitter.com/fosdem/status/1397454352835653632
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2021-05-26 16:52:58	 *	debdrup sighs
2021-05-26 16:53:00	AppleGNU	Hi forever freenode
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2021-05-26 16:53:33	@debdrup	#FreeBSD is not the channel for this kind of thing.
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2021-05-26 19:18:47	resengan	https://twitter.com/Phoul/status/1397417297661284352  enjoy :). They have done so with several other channels too. Freenode is fucking burning down.
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2021-05-26 20:18:02	daniel2	I hope you guys realized this was completely fake: <rasenqan> -server notice- Warning, all references to libera.chat are now subject to network-wide ban (k-line)! <= His nickname had a q instead of a g AND he connected through Tor.
2021-05-26 20:18:36	daniel2	Andrew Lee is not going around saying that in channels.  There is a lot of people trying to be disruptive.  Not I am trying to defend anyone, I am just saying that was entirely fake.
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2021-05-26 20:27:12	koobs1	Time to leave folks
2021-05-26 20:27:14	koobs1	 https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Official-FreeBSD-IRC-channels-now-on-Libera-Chat Suggest everyone drop your channels, nicknames and leave freenode
2021-05-26 20:27:27	koobs1	brb
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2021-05-26 20:30:16	synthetek	good luck to everyone leaving. hope everything goes well for you, best of luck. :)
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2021-05-26 20:34:14	koobs1	see you all on the other side
2021-05-26 20:35:14	AppleGNU	Sad to see that happen. I’ll be staying on freenode.
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2021-05-26 20:38:01	CrtxReavr	AppleGNU, you're welcome to it.
2021-05-26 20:38:10	AndrewBC	stop trying to move me like cattle
2021-05-26 20:38:15	AppleGNU	Lee bought snoonet and it hasn’t collapsed
2021-05-26 20:38:18	AppleGNU	This drama is dumb
2021-05-26 20:38:43	CrtxReavr	Then why'd they need to kill all chanells with "libera" in their topic?
2021-05-26 20:38:45	CrtxReavr	Clearly they're afraid.
2021-05-26 20:38:59	AppleGNU	Libera is doing the same thing with freenode topics
2021-05-26 20:39:07	CrtxReavr	Bullshit.
2021-05-26 20:39:13	AppleGNU	So choose your poison ☠️
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2021-05-26 20:39:17	AppleGNU	I’ll stay here
2021-05-26 20:39:20	AndrewBC	They didn't kill them, they were reopening them, from what I've seen
2021-05-26 20:39:43	CrtxReavr	Like I said, you're welcome to it, plus Libera doesn't need you.
2021-05-26 20:39:52	synthetek	lol
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2021-05-26 20:40:01	AppleGNU	I bet they don’t. I’d tell people to come here.
2021-05-26 20:40:23	koobs1	CrtxReavr: easy tiger, thanks
2021-05-26 20:40:32	AndrewBC	fear agitprop
2021-05-26 20:40:40	daniel2	I don't support whats going on, but come on, this entire decision was excelerated because someone came in pretending to be Andrew Lee and spammed saying that stupid ban threat.
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2021-05-26 20:41:09	AppleGNU	daniel2: there was a rasenqan name. Clear clone but people bought it
2021-05-26 20:41:19	daniel2	It had a q, not a g.
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2021-05-26 20:41:34	daniel2	He connected from Tor.  It was pretty obviously a fake.
2021-05-26 20:41:42	CrtxReavr	Um, no. . . the channel clearing was real. .. happened to two of my channels. .. one of them had been on freenode 10+ years without issue.
2021-05-26 20:42:08	daniel2	But it didn't happen here which is what was being claimed on thw Twitter post and blog post.
2021-05-26 20:42:09	CrtxReavr	daniel2, he also had a mis-spelled nick. .. it was obviously fake that way too.
2021-05-26 20:42:30	CrtxReavr	I just remembered!
2021-05-26 20:42:30	AndrewBC	Do you think the unlocking didn't happen, or that it didn't need to happen?
2021-05-26 20:42:34	CrtxReavr	IRC suppose /ignore
2021-05-26 20:42:50	CrtxReavr	supports even
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2021-05-26 20:43:17	kevans91	yeah, i'm not sticking around here for freebsd stuff either
2021-05-26 20:43:44	CrtxReavr	Nothign to sick around for, IMO. . .
2021-05-26 20:44:06	CrtxReavr	I'm going to settle my freenode affairs and continue on Libera. . . and my old haunts on EFnet.
2021-05-26 20:44:17	AppleGNU	It’s okay. The community left behind will take the off topic channel.
2021-05-26 20:44:20	--	ChanServ has changed topic for #freebsd from "20210524 - Update #3 on FreeBSD IRC re freenode situation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC" to "."
2021-05-26 20:44:35	AppleGNU	So join this mutilation of freenode. We don’t need you.
2021-05-26 20:44:46	koobs1	AppleGNU: please dont agitate, we're not going anywhere
2021-05-26 20:45:27	AppleGNU	I’ve not mutilated anything. Hope you don’t think that was me. 😂
2021-05-26 20:45:35	AppleGNU	Just noticed the topic change
2021-05-26 20:47:18	daniel2	Either way, decisions shouldn't be made based on emotion for the FreeBSD project imho.
2021-05-26 20:48:24	AppleGNU	daniel2: codes of conduct and SJW’ism will do this to projects. Linus Torvalds being chased off should have been a warning for the BSD communities.
2021-05-26 20:49:15	AppleGNU	The woke projects jumped ship first. Surprise surprise.
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2021-05-26 20:59:21	daniel2	=]
2021-05-26 21:00:17	koobs1	AppleGNU: please stop agitating.
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2021-05-26 21:07:59	RhodiumToad	I'll probably stay connected here in this channel for a while to keep track of what's going on
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2021-05-26 21:09:10	daniel2	My dog apparently sent a smile
2021-05-26 21:09:16	daniel2	 Not sure what the chances of that is.
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2021-05-26 21:10:02	RhodiumToad	probably fairly high
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2021-05-26 21:25:41	coolvibe	I'm sticking around here as well
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2021-05-26 21:46:11	koobs1	RhodiumToad: would appreciate that
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2021-05-26 21:48:29	ptx0	yeah, no reason to go to that other network
2021-05-26 21:48:56	ptx0	feel free to exercise your right to overreact to trivial events
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2021-05-26 21:49:22	RhodiumToad	uh, I think you misunderstood what I said
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2021-05-26 21:50:07	RhodiumToad	all of my actual helping-people-with-stuff activity is already moved elsewhere
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2021-05-26 21:50:33	ptx0	was talkin to koobs or whoever wrote to "replace freenode with libera in your IRC client"
2021-05-26 21:52:03	rcf	AppleGNU: as a point of fact, FreeBSD was the first to adopt such a code of conduct by a large margin.
2021-05-26 21:53:11	koobs1	ptx0: appreciate the feedback, fixed
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2021-05-26 21:56:59	rcf	AppleGNU: so by all means continue spreading such bullshit, but please do check the history of projects before pretending to care about their trajectory.
2021-05-26 21:57:14	koobs	rcf: please dont engage
2021-05-26 21:57:30	koobs	or take to pm
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2021-05-26 21:59:30	AndrewBC	I propose that someone fix the topic
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2021-05-26 22:01:29	AndrewBC	anecdotally, saboteur hunt?
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2021-05-26 22:01:51	koobs	AndrewBC: ?
2021-05-26 22:02:00	AndrewBC	The topic is "."
2021-05-26 22:02:12	koobs	our primary support network/channel is no longer here
2021-05-26 22:02:23	ptx0	ty koobs
2021-05-26 22:02:31	ptx0	sorry if i sounded rude there
2021-05-26 22:02:32	AndrewBC	Has the position of FreeBSD changed policy from maintaining a channel here?
2021-05-26 22:03:02	koobs	ptx0: no thats fine, i can understand peoples meotions are running high 'generally' (not a reference to you specifically)
2021-05-26 22:03:10	koobs	ptx0: its important to try to be objective, and we tried pretty hard
2021-05-26 22:03:26	koobs	AndrewBC: the policy on trolling is the same as its always been
2021-05-26 22:03:57	ptx0	i remember the last /n/ times something dumb has happened on freenode, that's all. i just see it as another overreaction that harms rather than helps. i've been here for almost 20 years, since my youth, and i have a deep attachment for it.
2021-05-26 22:04:11	AndrewBC	AllanJude, topic fix or an update on official policy
2021-05-26 22:04:28	AndrewBC	debdrup, Savagedlight ^
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2021-05-26 22:05:11	koobs	ptx0: the prio is the community, full stop
2021-05-26 22:05:25	koobs	AndrewBC: please dont agitate
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2021-05-26 22:05:35	ptx0	same. i just wanna ignore whatever transpired and get stuff done :)
2021-05-26 22:05:39	koobs	ptx0: 100%
2021-05-26 22:05:54	ptx0	i'm going to miss some people but maybe they'll come back over time
2021-05-26 22:06:01	AndrewBC	koobs, I'm asking for a topic fix, or an update on the official policy.
2021-05-26 22:06:15	ptx0	AndrewBC: they are probably working on it
2021-05-26 22:06:16	AndrewBC	There is no agitation there.
2021-05-26 22:06:18	drathir_tor	AndrewBC ttps://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Official-FreeBSD-IRC-channels-now-on-Libera-Chat
2021-05-26 22:06:28	daniel2	No point in doing topic changes with what is going on.
2021-05-26 22:06:37	nesta	lmao
2021-05-26 22:06:40	koobs	AndrewBC: which policy?
2021-05-26 22:06:46	AndrewBC	\This seems a GOOD THING to put in the topic
2021-05-26 22:06:55	hostileadmin	freenode broke?
2021-05-26 22:06:57	koobs	AndrewBC: you would think, but thats unlikely to be the case
2021-05-26 22:06:59	daniel2	I supported Freenode up until the channel takeovers.  Things havev gotten out of control.
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2021-05-26 22:07:13	koobs	AndrewBC: comms is going to be a long-tail-term thing
2021-05-26 22:07:16	nesta	what channels were taken over
2021-05-26 22:07:19	drathir_tor	AndrewBC: no possible sadly no topic mention allowed by new network policies...
2021-05-26 22:07:20	ptx0	the official guidance is to put an indicator of where to find primary source of help in chanserv notice.
2021-05-26 22:07:23	koobs	please lets not go into that here
2021-05-26 22:07:52	koobs	if youd like to discuss the situation (unrelated to freebsd), you know the channels
2021-05-26 22:08:06	AndrewBC	Ok, now I know
2021-05-26 22:08:15	nesta	koobs: true. my bad
2021-05-26 22:08:21	koobs	AndrewBC: sorry if i came across a bit terse. there's people agitating generally
2021-05-26 22:08:35	koobs	AndrewBC: we want to be as clear as we can be without any impact on the community
2021-05-26 22:08:43	koobs	and at present thats not entirely without challenge
2021-05-26 22:08:44	AndrewBC	.
2021-05-26 22:09:01	ptx0	it's been frustrating 😫
2021-05-26 22:10:12	ptx0	koobs: /cs set #freebsd entrymsg ...something here...
2021-05-26 22:10:26	ptx0	is how they say to do it, in #freenode-services
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2021-05-26 22:12:58	koobs	ptx0: whats that? "they say to do"
2021-05-26 22:13:00	koobs	?
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2021-05-26 22:20:35	ptx0	the opers said that's how to advertise an alternative channel
2021-05-26 22:20:40	ptx0	on another network
2021-05-26 22:20:54	ptx0	the topic shows up in /list results which contaminates the netsplit.de picture of the network
2021-05-26 22:21:02	ptx0	it's understandable they do not want it in there.
2021-05-26 22:21:14	ptx0	bit stupid how they handled it
2021-05-26 22:21:21	epony	better read policy yourself rather than listen people "talk it over incoherently"
2021-05-26 22:21:24	ptx0	at the very least they could have tested it first.
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2021-05-26 22:22:09	epony	ptx0, no need for FUD ;-)
2021-05-26 22:23:24	ptx0	12:09 < mol_> <eskimo> it's just that a channel here should be open and accessible for users to join and chat here, if you wanna have a bot or entry message saying "you can also find us on x, y, z networks" that should be ok
2021-05-26 22:23:28	ptx0	12:38 <@eskimo> Noisytoot: sure you can say that you are also available on other networks in an entry message
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2021-05-26 22:24:10	ptx0	two instances of him telling us it's fine to do it that way. i can find examples of it being said that you can't put it in the topic as well, if you like. please stop calling it FUD when i'm explaining the policy.
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2021-05-26 22:24:58	koobs	ptx0: ta for the ref.
2021-05-26 22:25:05	epony	the policy is written out in a text file, you're explaining some "per case" talks that may have happened before, in public.. it's fuddy a bit
2021-05-26 22:25:30	ptx0	you mean it's something that's been asked and answered repeatedly?
2021-05-26 22:25:40	ptx0	thanks for your input epony
2021-05-26 22:25:44	ptx0	it's been noted
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2021-05-26 23:34:05	Joanna	Hi I came here because a friend share a paste from this channel that said .. stop trying to move us like cattle! Good to see that there are still people who can think for themselves. Keep up the good work :j
2021-05-26 23:34:34	synthetek	;)
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2021-05-26 23:39:55	Joanna	 I wish I knew enough about FreeBSD to converse ;(
2021-05-26 23:43:45	drathir_tor	Joanna: always possible migrate from fedora to freebsd... ^^
2021-05-26 23:44:10	Joanna	Darn :(
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2021-05-26 23:45:08	Joanna	To be honest I haven’t really gotten well acquainted with fedora a am waiting until I’m ready to cross compile for Linux
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2021-05-26 23:49:53	daniel2	I only use Fedora on my server because Plex doesn't have good support on FreeBSD.
2021-05-26 23:50:04	daniel2	Home server, dedicated servers use FreeBSD of course.
2021-05-26 23:50:07	drathir_tor	Joanna: in theory if have enough powerfull hw dual boot always Your friend of even vm...
2021-05-26 23:51:10	Joanna	Are Linux programs executable in bsd ?
2021-05-26 23:52:21	Joanna	With so many types of operating systems based on Linux I wonder if it affects program performance
2021-05-26 23:54:52	drathir_tor	Joanna: them could use different compilers and set of libs, but yea there is lot of programs from linux available in freebsd...
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2021-05-26 23:55:08	Joanna	That’s good
2021-05-26 23:56:15	Joanna	Does sqlite work well with bsd?
2021-05-26 23:56:20	Joanna	FreeBSD
2021-05-27 00:03:24	daniel2	Almost everything that runs on Linux will run on FreeBSD, FreeBSD has a compatibility layer for Linux.
2021-05-27 00:03:51	daniel2	sqlite is officially ported to it should run as expected.
2021-05-27 00:09:19	Joanna	That’s good
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2021-05-27 00:09:43	ptx0	there's major differences in system tooling like firewalls
2021-05-27 00:10:01	ptx0	or kernel config/build process
2021-05-27 00:10:12	Joanna	So things like inifiles work ok in FreeBSD?
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2021-05-27 00:10:49	aranjedeath	it's a tar pit
2021-05-27 00:12:56	ptx0	ini files?
2021-05-27 00:13:30	Joanna	Like text files
2021-05-27 00:13:41	ptx0	on nix everything is a file
2021-05-27 00:13:48	Joanna	With sections
2021-05-27 00:14:00	ptx0	well the same cli tools will work
2021-05-27 00:14:16	ptx0	there's crudini
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2021-05-27 00:24:53	Joanna	I’m not sure what I will have to do with code maybe conditional compile
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2021-05-27 01:52:41	meena	Joanna: FreeBSD uses SQLite internally, so i would say it works well enough on FreeBSD.
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2021-05-27 02:50:47	robak	Å/n
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2021-05-27 03:17:02	Barnerd_	Joanna, robak have you seen https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Official-FreeBSD-IRC-channels-now-on-Libera-Chat ? :D
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2021-05-27 03:46:19	Ner0Zer0	Hello, could u please help me with sh scripting
2021-05-27 03:46:32	Ner0Zer0	trying to pass the following into function: args="-a "arg value"; fx $args
2021-05-27 03:46:40	Ner0Zer0	but receiving 3 args instead of 2
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2021-05-27 03:47:17	Joanna	Barnerd_: I’ve heard about the other  place but I have quite a few unanswered questions that I’m waiting to be answered
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2021-05-27 03:48:16	koobs	Joanna: its just coming up to EU/US morning time, activity tends to be lower until then
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2021-05-27 03:49:04	Joanna	koobs: I meant questions about the place people seem to be stampeding to :)
2021-05-27 03:49:55	Ner0Zer0	better formatted question https://bsd.to/fzpD
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2021-05-27 03:52:25	koobs	Joanna: oh right, sorry
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2021-05-27 03:53:08	Joanna	That’s ok I came here because someone showed me some amusing chat log with someone saying don’t try to move me like cattle
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2021-05-27 03:54:21	Ner0Zer0	looks like everyone is sleeping .... some offtop discussion
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2021-05-27 03:55:39	DarkUranium	For those wondering about reasons: https://lwn.net/Articles/857252/ | https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html | https://twitter.com/GothAlice/status/1397508696188628993
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2021-05-27 03:55:46	DarkUranium	^ I'm sure that was related.
2021-05-27 03:55:48	Joanna	I agree with the “everyone is sleeping “ part :)
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2021-05-27 03:57:56	Joanna	Yea I heard about that I think his intention was to prevent people from being prevented from being kicked out or muted in channels but he bungled badly. You can ask for channel to be reinstated
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2021-05-27 03:59:49	ceri	off to the other place
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2021-05-27 04:41:08	FooJH	wondering if anyone can shed some light on this:
2021-05-27 04:41:08	FooJH	I used to be able to add a vlan to a bridge eg. ifconfig bridge0 addm vlan0.
2021-05-27 04:41:09	FooJH	On 13.0-RELEASE (upgraded and fresh installed gives same response) I now get "operation not supported" on the above command. Has something changed in 13.0-RELEASE?
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2021-05-27 04:42:14	FooJH	Been working well for all versions of 12.x-RELEASE
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2021-05-27 04:45:12	mvanbaak	05:49          daniel2 │ I only use Fedora on my server because Plex doesn't have good support on FreeBSD. <--- What isn't working on FreeBSD ?
2021-05-27 04:45:25	mvanbaak	I have been running plex there for years and it's done wonderful so far
2021-05-27 04:46:56	Aaron	mvanbaak, change to embed
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2021-05-27 04:47:00	Aaron	*emby
2021-05-27 04:47:13	Aaron	Its way better then plex
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2021-05-27 04:48:34	mvanbaak	that is subjective
2021-05-27 04:48:54	mvanbaak	and I dont 'just change to emby'
2021-05-27 04:49:12	Aaron	Remember plex is a cheap copy of ember
2021-05-27 04:49:16	Aaron	Or a clone..
2021-05-27 04:49:19	Aaron	*emby
2021-05-27 04:49:28	mvanbaak	right ....
2021-05-27 04:51:22	Aaron	So why use a clone knowing that emby-server under freebsd for download ;X
2021-05-27 04:52:54	mvanbaak	plex is packaged as well. Now please stay on the matter at hand: daniel2 stating he uses linux for plex. I wonder what problems with plex on freebsd they have
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2021-05-27 05:01:28	TheBeastie	I like this topic! :)
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2021-05-27 05:03:56	mvanbaak	Anyways, I'm off to the new place. See you there!
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2021-05-27 07:35:20	sysx1000	hello, where I can find all kernel options? it was LINT file before, what is in 12.2?
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2021-05-27 07:38:27	oxek	sysx1000: probably better if you ask in the official channel
2021-05-27 07:41:01	sysx1000	am I here?
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2021-05-27 07:43:40	BraveheartBSD	LINT is still there, lol
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2021-05-27 09:07:04	randombit	does firefox segfault for only me? it says "too much recursion". and segfault.
2021-05-27 09:07:30	randombit	13 stable, 88.0.1_1,2
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2021-05-27 09:25:43	oxek	randombit: you might have better luck in the official channel
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2021-05-27 09:27:00	randombit	oxek, this is the official channel. no?
2021-05-27 09:27:08	oxek	randombit: read /topic
2021-05-27 09:29:39	randombit	lol. they could be more specific. instead of a link, some actual human language could be preferable
2021-05-27 09:30:25	oxek	randombit: there's a reason it's obfuscated, but I won't get into it
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2021-05-27 09:30:54	randombit	oh. sry.. sure. i get it
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2021-05-27 09:31:18	FUZxxl	Hello!
2021-05-27 09:31:31	FUZxxl	when booting with EFI, is the freebsd-boot partition still needed?
2021-05-27 09:31:38	FUZxxl	or does an ESP suffice?
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2021-05-27 09:31:49	oxek	FUZxxl: you too might have better luck in the official channel. Everyone in here is idle.
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2021-05-27 09:32:13	nimaje	official channel moved to libera, see https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC
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2021-05-27 09:35:00	randombit	tx oxek though.
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2021-05-27 09:41:56	@debdrup	Still not really in favour of calling any place official.
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2021-05-27 09:48:38	oxek	debdrup: I get what you mean. What phrasing would you suggest when referring to https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC ?
2021-05-27 09:49:09	@debdrup	I would just avoid using the word 'official', every sentence works fine without it.
2021-05-27 09:49:47	@debdrup	There's plenty of FreeBSD people on EFnet, and also still some on IRCnet - and both predate both FreeNode and Libera as networks.
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2021-05-27 09:51:55	oxek	"There is more activity in the other #freebsd channel you can find on https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC if you need support. Feel free to wait here for help though"
2021-05-27 09:51:58	oxek	how about that ^
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2021-05-27 09:52:42	@debdrup	I'm not sure that holds water.
2021-05-27 09:52:58	ptx0	koobs: looks silly but concensus on your IRC page is a misspelling of consensus
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2021-05-27 09:54:21	oxek	debdrup: how about "Have you seen /topic ?"
2021-05-27 09:55:10	ptx0	oxek: how about just letting things lie where they land
2021-05-27 09:55:33	ptx0	there's more users in this channel than the other one
2021-05-27 09:55:46	oxek	unfortunately that leads to frustrated users waiting in here for 30+ minutes with zero activity
2021-05-27 09:55:53	oxek	most users in here are autoconnect zombies
2021-05-27 09:56:21	last1	I see, so somehow FreeBSD has a duty as to not frustrate users waiting for free support ?
2021-05-27 09:56:29	last1	first time I hear of it
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2021-05-27 09:56:37	@debdrup	Some of us are going to stay here to remind people to move over, until a bot can be setup to remind people in a way that doesn't risk the channel being blacklisted for violating network rules (whatever they may be).
2021-05-27 09:56:58	ptx0	debdrup: as i said three times already the official guidance is to use chanserv entrymsg
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2021-05-27 09:57:25	@debdrup	ptx0: could you link to this official guidance? Otherwise I only have your word for it ;)
2021-05-27 09:57:36	ptx0	#freenode-services is open for questions
2021-05-27 09:57:38	ptx0	go ask there
2021-05-27 09:57:59	@debdrup	I'd rather not, thank you.
2021-05-27 09:58:00	ptx0	i don't know what you want me to do, send you a full txt file log of that channel, or, find a web page that logs it
2021-05-27 09:58:14	ptx0	okay then i guess don't complain
2021-05-27 09:58:31	ptx0	you've been given guidance on how to move forward
2021-05-27 09:59:03	@debdrup	ptx0: if it was official guidance, I would've expected it to be spelled out.
2021-05-27 09:59:17	ptx0	🤷
2021-05-27 09:59:45	ptx0	 /msg eskimo is it correct that you said chanserv entrymsg is an acceptable solution for reminding users of alternative support venues?
2021-05-27 10:00:02	@debdrup	I must admit that I find it very curious that there's a lot of appareantly-new users in here who're all of a sudden chiming up about this topic.
2021-05-27 10:00:22	ptx0	i've been here for years, been friends with daemon. was friends with jer, before he moved to costa rica.
2021-05-27 10:00:41	ptx0	i don't really care much for your curiosity considering you're only using it to deflect
2021-05-27 10:00:46	AndrewBC	there are the usual trainwreck tourists
2021-05-27 10:00:48	oxek	just alternative nicks because main accounts have been dropped already
2021-05-27 10:01:11	@debdrup	ptx0: I wasn't actually talking about you at all, so I'm surprised that you feel the need to remark upon it.
2021-05-27 10:01:20	ptx0	i'm surprised that you're surprised.
2021-05-27 10:01:47	ptx0	isn't context important? i'm here chatting with you and then you throw a non-sequitor out?
2021-05-27 10:01:49	@debdrup	Let's not get into an IRC slap fight about whose uncle works at Nintendo, shall we.
2021-05-27 10:02:04	ptx0	was i supposed to think you *weren't* talking to/about me, the one who you were just talking to..?
2021-05-27 10:02:20	@debdrup	This is IRC, since you've been here before you well know conversations tend to meander.
2021-05-27 10:02:45	ptx0	alright, good to know that sometimes you say things that are completely unrelated to the current discussion
2021-05-27 10:02:52	@debdrup	I was more looking at the backlog of the past few days, prompted by noticing a few nicks I hadn't ever seen before.
2021-05-27 10:03:01	@debdrup	You don't?
2021-05-27 10:03:06	ptx0	yeah a few showed up mentioning they'd showed up purely from logs they'd seen
2021-05-27 10:03:10	@debdrup	Conversations must be short then. :)
2021-05-27 10:03:40	@debdrup	So far as I know, there are no public logs of #FreeBSD?
2021-05-27 10:04:04	ptx0	seems to be *some* public logs,, either copy-pasted in a pastebin or otherwise
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2021-05-27 10:04:54	ptx0	00:54:07 < Joanna> That’s ok I came here because someone showed me some amusing chat log with someone saying don’t try to move me like cattle
2021-05-27 10:05:17	ptx0	one instance - admittedly the only one i've seen thus far
2021-05-27 10:05:28	ptx0	but i figure there's gotta be ones who didn't state it :P
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2021-05-27 10:06:22	@debdrup	Interesting
2021-05-27 10:06:41	@debdrup	Well, vaguely so, at any rate. Besides, we all know dealing with IRC is way more like herding cats. :P
2021-05-27 10:06:42	ptx0	yeah they're switching to FreeBSD as a result
2021-05-27 10:06:49	ptx0	so i guess there's an upside to the IRC shake-up
2021-05-27 10:07:01	@debdrup	Why would those two be linked?
2021-05-27 10:07:06	AndrewBC	Herding cats indeed.
2021-05-27 10:07:20	ptx0	why not?
2021-05-27 10:07:35	ptx0	they came here and wanted to stick around and figured "learning FreeBSD" would make their presence relevant
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2021-05-27 10:12:36	@debdrup	Ah, so distro-hopping. Fair enough.
2021-05-27 10:13:00	@debdrup	My observation over the decades has been that the people tend to stick around if they decide for themselves to go in whole-hog, as it were.
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2021-05-27 10:14:38	ptx0	i used freebsd at first because it was the only OS with amd64 nvidia drivers
2021-05-27 10:14:53	ptx0	freebsd needs some 'killer app' like that again
2021-05-27 10:15:13	oxek	like jails?
2021-05-27 10:15:21	oxek	like zfs?
2021-05-27 10:15:24	oxek	...
2021-05-27 10:15:38	ptx0	both are on Linux
2021-05-27 10:15:41	ptx0	try again
2021-05-27 10:15:50	ptx0	(even Windows has ZFS now)
2021-05-27 10:16:12	oxek	zfs is troublesome on linux due to licensing
2021-05-27 10:16:20	ptx0	tell that to all the people using it there
2021-05-27 10:16:25	ptx0	FreeBSD's `pf` isn't even as good as OpenBSD's
2021-05-27 10:16:26	@debdrup	jails aren't on FreeBSD, non-isolated containers are. freebsd still has MAC, and zfs is way more integrated on freebsd than it is anywhere else
2021-05-27 10:16:41	@debdrup	and the windows port of zfs isn't even alpha, so why even bring it up
2021-05-27 10:16:41	ptx0	i've got it built into my Linux kernel :)
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2021-05-27 10:17:00	ptx0	Ubuntu's Grub-Zfs integration supports BEs too
2021-05-27 10:17:00	@debdrup	ptx0: good thing FreeBSd has ipfw then, since it's clearly the better firewall ;)
2021-05-27 10:17:10	ptx0	debdrup: does it have uid tracking?
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2021-05-27 10:17:45	@debdrup	No, you know what, I've had this conversation so often, I'm already starting to get bored with it. You can continue it if you want, but I'm out.
2021-05-27 10:18:29	ptx0	uid tracking is pretty sweet though, it means i can say a specific user doesn't have access to networking
2021-05-27 10:19:04	ptx0	as far as i know, no firewall on bsd has this in any variation of bsd, which i require, because i maintain a storage appliance that runs on ZFS and iSCSI
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2021-05-27 10:21:41	ivaat	there is no such easy system like jail in linux :)
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2021-05-27 10:22:07	ivaat	lxc maybe but i find jails better :)
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2021-05-27 10:36:32	ptx0	ivaat: i would have loved jails, if their kernel routing weren't broken
2021-05-27 10:36:45	ptx0	i had a jail with webserver and one with mysql daemon and tried to have it connect from webserver to mysql jail using a given IP that's assigned to the webserver jail, however, it connects from an unrelated IP on the host
2021-05-27 10:37:06	ptx0	so the end result was i'd have to add mysql users to the jail using % as their ACL hostname
2021-05-27 10:37:20	ptx0	it was really bad
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2021-05-27 10:43:03	ivaat	what
2021-05-27 10:43:17	ivaat	what you mean by unrelated IP ?
2021-05-27 10:44:52	ptx0	well say a jail only had the ip 10.25.25.25 and the other jail it connects to was 10.25.25.26
2021-05-27 10:45:06	ptx0	the host had unrelated IPs assigned to its interface(s) like 1.2.3.4
2021-05-27 10:45:22	ptx0	the webserver user would connect to the sql jail from 1.2.3.4 instead of 10.25.25.25
2021-05-27 10:45:51	ptx0	i tried a lot of things to fix this condition
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2021-05-27 10:46:16	ptx0	i'd spent a long time setting the environment up, so, a single issue like that getting in my way, i didn't think it was a big deal. thought i'd done something wrong
2021-05-27 10:47:26	ivaat	there is no such thing as unrelated ip
2021-05-27 10:47:32	ptx0	definitely didn't want to have to install a different OS. but i couldn't wait forever to get it fixed, and wasn't keen on ignoring IP rules in general, even though that would definitely work as a workaround.
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2021-05-27 10:47:53	ptx0	ivaat: i literally just explained what i meant, if you don't get it, oh well
2021-05-27 10:48:14	ptx0	what would be more helpful is if you could enlighten me as to what i did wrong that caused this condition
2021-05-27 10:48:44	ivaat	jail has jail node ip, nothing else
2021-05-27 10:50:15	ivaat	you can paste your jail conf to bsd.to.. i can overlook and help if you need
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2021-05-27 10:54:28	FooJH	bumping in the hope someone can educate me on the following:
2021-05-27 10:54:29	FooJH	I used to be able to add a vlan to a bridge eg. ifconfig bridge0 addm vlan0.
2021-05-27 10:54:29	FooJH	On 13.0-RELEASE (upgraded and fresh installed gives same response) I now get "operation not supported" on the above command. Has something changed in 13.0-RELEASE?
2021-05-27 10:54:30	FooJH	Been working well for all versions of 12.x-RELEASE
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2021-05-27 10:56:11	ptx0	ivaat: i mean the host IPs. i gave each jail only one IPv4
2021-05-27 10:56:28	ptx0	when i say 'unrelated IP' i mean an IP that exists on the host but isn't allocated to that jail
2021-05-27 10:56:47	ptx0	i don't think jail outbound connections should occur from an ip source that isn't allocated to that jail
2021-05-27 10:57:06	ptx0	also, it's POSSIBLE that this doesn't occur anymore, since i was configuring that system first in 2015
2021-05-27 10:57:22	ptx0	tried STABLE, CURRENT, and legacy releases. all had the same issue
2021-05-27 10:58:30	ptx0	i would spin up a spare system and test it out but since there's no equivalent uid tracking module that iptables has... there's very little point. i'd be taking a huge step backward in terms of security.
2021-05-27 10:58:51	bsdbandit	good morning my fellow unix bsd hackers
2021-05-27 10:59:41	ptx0	mo'nin'
2021-05-27 10:59:57	FooJH	ptx0 not sure what the question was but I put an NAT on the host for outbound traffic from jails.
2021-05-27 11:00:25	ptx0	i did that too
2021-05-27 11:00:38	ptx0	NAT wasn't the problem but intra-jail communication over the single jail host was
2021-05-27 11:00:52	FooJH	not the same subnet?
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2021-05-27 11:00:59	ptx0	to my untrained eye, it felt like the kernel routing table wasn't isolated between jails
2021-05-27 11:01:03	FooJH	my jail subnet is different from the host
2021-05-27 11:01:04	ptx0	FooJH: they're all the same subnet
2021-05-27 11:01:14	ptx0	ok yeah
2021-05-27 11:01:19	ptx0	all jails were on their own subnet
2021-05-27 11:01:26	ivaat	ptx0: so you claim that stable rls had bug in 2015 year :)?
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2021-05-27 11:01:46	ptx0	ivaat: all three branches did. do you have anything useful to contribute to my issue?
2021-05-27 11:01:50	nesta	lol
2021-05-27 11:01:53	FooJH	 i had one jail serve dhcp. all new jails run consul so i don't have to remember ips
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2021-05-27 11:02:01	ivaat	ptx0: yes well.. your simply trolling, sry
2021-05-27 11:02:26	nesta	ptx0: check out netgraph mister security man
2021-05-27 11:02:28	nesta	lol
2021-05-27 11:02:34	nesta	ivaat: yeah he is
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2021-05-27 11:03:26	ptx0	🤷
2021-05-27 11:03:26	FooJH	nesta, ptx0 have you any thoughts to my bridge qn above? this is a blocker for me upgrading to 13.0
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2021-05-27 11:04:28	ptx0	a vlan device exists?
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2021-05-27 11:05:03	FooJH	i create vlans in rc.conf like this:
2021-05-27 11:05:03	FooJH	vlans_vtnet0="vlan0"
2021-05-27 11:05:04	FooJH	create_args_vlan0="vlan 7"
2021-05-27 11:05:04	FooJH	ifconfig_vlan0="inet 192.168.85.1/24"
2021-05-27 11:05:31	ptx0	there's no vlandev ?
2021-05-27 11:05:48	FooJH	what's a vlandev?
2021-05-27 11:05:54	ptx0	ifconfig vlan2 create vlan 5 vlandev igb5
2021-05-27 11:06:00	ptx0	like this when running via cli
2021-05-27 11:06:02	FooJH	lemme try
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2021-05-27 11:07:08	FooJH	same response:
2021-05-27 11:07:08	FooJH	 ifconfig bridge0 addm vlan1                      10:06
2021-05-27 11:07:09	FooJH	ifconfig: BRDGADD vlan1: Operation not supported
2021-05-27 11:07:30	ptx0	https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-unable-to-add-vtnet0-to-bridge0.79421/
2021-05-27 11:07:36	ptx0	i think this is the same issue
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2021-05-27 11:07:59	ptx0	thanks for providing the full error output
2021-05-27 11:08:31	ivaat	FooJH: what is your ifconfig -a output (paste to https://bsd.to) ?
2021-05-27 11:10:13	ptx0	debdrup: can you update the /topic to be more useful like mention to use pastebin, wait for an answer, etc
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2021-05-27 11:11:42	FooJH	ptx0 sorry for the delay. I tried the steps recommended it is works! there IS a bug in addm
2021-05-27 11:11:57	FooJH	or ifconfig. not sure exactly where it is
2021-05-27 11:12:00	FooJH	DANG!
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2021-05-27 11:15:51	FooJH	so here's the qn: assuming it will be months before the bug is fixed, how should i script my startup so it automatically brings down the interface, adds the bridge, and bring the if up again? will you recommend writing a service in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/? Doesn't smell like the best way.
2021-05-27 11:17:14	ptx0	i think that you might want to simply wait for 13 to be fixed
2021-05-27 11:17:52	FooJH	sad
2021-05-27 11:18:24	ptx0	https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=254343
2021-05-27 11:18:43	ptx0	there is a patch here
2021-05-27 11:18:54	ptx0	or rather, at least analyses of the broken code
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2021-05-27 11:21:22	ValeraRozuvan	Can someone confirm that the following command produces random text on FreeBSD:
2021-05-27 11:21:24	ValeraRozuvan	tr -dc A-Za-z0-9 </dev/urandom | head -c $LENGTH ; echo ''
2021-05-27 11:21:39	ValeraRozuvan	where $LENGTH is 1, 2, 3, 4... an integer.
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2021-05-27 11:37:04	Iambchop	ValeraRozuvan: 12.2-RELEASE-p6 => tr: Illegal byte sequence
2021-05-27 11:37:50	FooJH	thanks ptx0. I read your link and it suggested a script in /etc/start_if.bridge0. I've never written a script in that spot before. Maybe I should try.
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2021-05-27 11:38:39	bsdbandit	yay i got my wireless headphones to work with my freebsd box
2021-05-27 11:38:39	bsdbandit	:)
2021-05-27 11:38:47	bsdbandit	feeling complished
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2021-05-27 11:38:54	The_Ringmaster	Awesome!
2021-05-27 11:38:57	The_Ringmaster	what brand?
2021-05-27 11:39:04	bsdbandit	corsair
2021-05-27 11:39:07	bsdbandit	wireless
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2021-05-27 11:43:36	bsdbandit	for anyone coding in rust on freebsd has anyone got cargo to work properly on freebsd
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2021-05-27 11:43:58	bsdbandit	i can compile my rust code with rustc but not with cargo
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2021-05-27 12:07:54	Skynet	debdrup: based on the topic, would it make sense to +if this channel and have it forward to ##moved-to-libera?
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2021-05-27 12:12:50	oxek	Skynet: hasn't been decided yet
2021-05-27 12:13:10	ptx0	Skynet: no? we're helping people in here?
2021-05-27 12:13:12	Skynet	Fair enough.  Just going off of the topic which states Libera is now the official home.
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2021-05-27 12:13:38	ptx0	06:42:55 <@debdrup> Still not really in favour of calling any place official.
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2021-05-27 12:14:12	Skynet	Per the link in the topic, set by variable, "FreeBSD's official IRC presence is now on the Libera Chat network"
2021-05-27 12:14:14	ptx0	anyway if you have questions about freebsd, would be glad to help
2021-05-27 12:14:54	ptx0	Skynet: yeah well initially it told people to remove Freenode from their IRC clients altogether and that was removed based on feedback so, "wait and see"
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2021-05-27 12:15:07	Skynet	Fair enough
2021-05-27 12:15:15	Skynet	I'm in both for the time being.
2021-05-27 12:15:44	ptx0	i'm only here, so if you want to avoid me, that's relatively simple :P
2021-05-27 12:16:06	Skynet	Lol.  I would need a reason to do that first. :D
2021-05-27 12:16:18	 *	ptx0 just wants to make it easy on people
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2021-05-27 12:23:14	FooJH	is that #freebsd-irc on libera?
2021-05-27 12:23:30	FooJH	that place's quiet man
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2021-05-27 12:26:01	zykotick9	FooJH: you need to register your nick to be able to join #freebsd on libera.  If you're not registered, you'll be redirected to the #freebsd-irc channel.
2021-05-27 12:27:34	FooJH	zykotick9 oic thanks
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2021-05-27 12:32:37	FooJH	this may not be a freebsd-specific qn: if i have x servers each running a unique subnet for their jails, and i want jails across servers to be able to route directly to each other (vs routing via the default gateway). so that means the servers have to set static routes? is there a more elegant solution?
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2021-05-27 12:34:42	FooJH	this may not be a freebsd-specific qn: if i have x servers each running a unique subnet for their jails, and i want jails across servers to be able to route directly to each other (vs routing via the default gateway). so that means the servers have to set static routes? is there a more elegant solution?
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2021-05-27 12:36:01	FooJH	to illustrate:
2021-05-27 12:36:01	FooJH	server a 192.168.0.10 with jails in 192.168.10.0/24
2021-05-27 12:36:02	FooJH	server b 192.168.0.11 with jails in 192.168.20.0/24
2021-05-27 12:36:02	FooJH	server c 192.168.0.10 with jails in 192.168.30.0/24
2021-05-27 12:36:03	FooJH	traffic from jails in c should be able to route directly to jails in b
2021-05-27 12:36:03	FooJH	does this make sense?
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2021-05-27 12:36:38	ivaat	over router/gw yes
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2021-05-27 12:42:57	FooJH	i wonder if bgp is overkill...
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2021-05-27 12:56:47	ValeraRozuvan	FooJH: If you are wondering - check #freebsd on libera - plenty going on there.
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2021-05-27 13:06:30	FooJH	oh the torrent!
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2021-05-27 13:08:51	paulf	does FreeBSD still have floppy drive support?
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2021-05-27 13:13:16	BigKnife	have support and is it known to still work are two separate things
2021-05-27 13:13:20	BigKnife	the code still exists
2021-05-27 13:13:37	BigKnife	I haven't seen it work personally in at least a decade
2021-05-27 13:14:23	paulf	OK I want to get rid of some old books and software, including a bunch of floppies which I'd like to try to copy before they go
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2021-05-27 13:15:19	paulf	my only PC with a floppy drive is my old Solaris box, but even Solaris dropped floppy support with version 11 (and the box has 11.3 on it)
2021-05-27 13:15:57	paulf	I'll try booting a FreeBSD DVD and see what I can do with that
2021-05-27 13:16:44	BigKnife	if it doesn't work
2021-05-27 13:16:52	BigKnife	try a FreeBSD 4.x cd instead :)
2021-05-27 13:18:03	paulf	yes but I'll still need to transfer the disk images somewhere (thumb drive, FTP)
2021-05-27 13:18:23	paulf	so I need at least floppy + net/usb to work
2021-05-27 13:18:46	paulf	I feel old :-)
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2021-05-27 13:20:44	ivaat	floppies might come back as vintage ting like vinyl did BUT floppies where notorious bad sectors happening to new disks as well :)
2021-05-27 13:20:49	ValeraRozuvan	Install Linux 2.x distro, just for the copying of flopies and saving to some FTP. And you are good ;) Delete the Linux distro, and setup latest FreeBSD.
2021-05-27 13:20:51	ivaat	thing*
2021-05-27 13:21:34	paulf	I have FreeBSD on my slightly less old PC
2021-05-27 13:22:01	paulf	but no floppy drive and I don't have (and not worth getting) an external one
2021-05-27 13:22:15	ValeraRozuvan	By the way - https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/disks/#floppies
2021-05-27 13:22:33	paulf	I might one day get round to upgrading to Illumos on the old PC
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2021-05-27 13:37:10	siix	does anyone use a front-end UI for git on bsd? i'd like to find a gitkraken package but any decent UI will do. thanks :)
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2021-05-27 14:05:44	@debdrup	ptx0: for what it's worth, my comment about not calling anything official has more to do with the larger prescence of actual FreeBSD users on EFnet than here on FreeNode or Libera, based on the number of active users vs idle users.
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2021-05-27 14:06:34	@debdrup	Eventually this channel will probably have to have something done with it, but we're not in a hurry because it doesn't serve anyone to make knee-jerk reactions.
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2021-05-27 14:19:02	distefam4	Is there a recommended way to suspend on a FreeBSD desktop (not a laptop)? I do not mind consuming power but I would like the fans to at least turn off when I'm not using my computer. I have been searching for some time and all of the resource I have found reference laptop sleep. I am running FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE and my hardware supports S3 S4 and
2021-05-27 14:19:03	distefam4	S5 sleep states. I have an Nvidia graphics card and have loaded the requisite kernel modules. I am running i3wm via startx.
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2021-05-27 14:19:59	@debdrup	distefam4: depending on youur hardware and configuration, it can be done by shutting the lid, pressing the sleep button, pressing the shutdown button, or binding a key any number of ways.
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2021-05-27 14:20:15	@debdrup	Welp.
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2021-05-27 14:22:15	distefam4	debdrup thank you. I have manually put the computer to sleep using `# zzz` but have not been able to wake using a USB keyboard.
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2021-05-27 14:23:12	@debdrup	distefam4: if it's struggling with waking, you might wanna have a look at https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume
2021-05-27 14:24:08	distefam4	I had been there, however, the part about suspending from X is "TBD". The table, however, does indicate that many systems are able to suspend/resume with X.
2021-05-27 14:24:40	@debdrup	My T420 certainly can, but I can't speak to any others :)
2021-05-27 14:25:03	distefam4	Ok, thank you for your help.
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2021-05-27 17:30:25	toniz4	hello, after some help from some people two or three days ago, about my raspberry pi and how zfs would run in my external hard drive. It all worked beautifully, thanks guys! It's hard to find a "community" that people takes the time to help newcomers
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2021-05-27 17:38:01	RhodiumToad	note that the community is moving, see topic
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2021-05-27 17:39:55	ptx0	freenode is still freenode and freebsd will be here to help. if you want MORE help, go to /efnet/, not libera.
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2021-05-27 17:50:38	toniz4	RhodiumToad: I saw that, they purged gentoo from here too. There is any reason for that? Or just abuse of power?
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2021-05-27 17:51:29	toniz4	That's kinda ironic, the reason that channels started migrating from here is because the fear of the new staff..
2021-05-27 17:51:38	RhodiumToad	presumably Lee found it offensive to his ego for the channel topic list to be full of "we moved to libera" topics
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2021-05-27 17:53:19	RhodiumToad	(some of the channels that were taken over had not even moved, they just had topics saying that a move was under discussion)
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2021-05-27 17:55:24	RhodiumToad	anyway, the new freebsd channel on libera now has almost as many users as here and substantially more on-topic discussion
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2021-05-27 18:05:13	ivaat	itäs just weird how people paint things.. "fear of new staff.." lol.. not a fear. dislike how they do things.. thats all
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2021-05-27 18:08:25	ptx0	RhodiumToad: can you stop with the off-topic banter
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2021-05-27 18:08:39	ptx0	you're the only fucking one who's doing that
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2021-05-27 18:10:04	ivaat	ptx0: you should read topic channel url.. it clearly has on wiki information that freebsd irc is now in libera
2021-05-27 18:10:33	ptx0	debdrup: ^ see what's happening now?
2021-05-27 18:11:09	 *	ivaat wonders - what is then happening now? couple lines offtopic is huge crime?
2021-05-27 18:11:20	ptx0	11:06:43 <@debdrup> ptx0: for what it's worth, my comment about not calling anything official has more to do with the larger prescence of actual FreeBSD users on EFnet than here on FreeNode or Libera, based on the number of active
2021-05-27 18:11:28	ivaat	itäs normal after such bang.. people will talk
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2021-05-27 18:19:44	@Savagedlight	what
2021-05-27 18:19:51	@Savagedlight	stupid client
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2021-05-27 18:20:17	ivaat	happens.. o O
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2021-05-27 18:21:13	@Savagedlight	there we go, back to what it was
2021-05-27 18:21:19	--	Mode #freebsd [-o Savagedlight] by Savagedlight
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2021-05-27 18:26:34	Sacha	it's done here cya on libera
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2021-05-27 18:28:43	visl	neat. see you on the other side
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2021-05-28 01:15:09	et09	anyone actually understand 'cuse'?
2021-05-28 01:17:01	et09	or vkbd
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2021-05-28 01:58:35	et09	lol well i managed to crash x
2021-05-28 01:59:35	et09	segfaulted even
2021-05-28 02:04:38	et09	trying to create an evdev device manually with x on and it really doesn't like it
2021-05-28 02:04:42	et09	cuse->evdev
2021-05-28 02:04:46	et09	idk
2021-05-28 02:05:00	et09	this is black magic
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2021-05-28 08:37:05	moldorcoder7	did something changed on new freebsd 13 zfs to import a pool ? i can see the pool when doing zpool import -FnN  but not anymore when doping zpool status
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2021-05-28 08:40:34	moldorcoder7	ok on ehave to import it explixitly now
2021-05-28 08:40:36	oxek	moldorcoder7: if you don't get any meaningful answers in here, then read through the link in /topic
2021-05-28 08:41:51	moldorcoder7	ha ok all move to that new chat
2021-05-28 08:41:58	moldorcoder7	oxek, thanks dont have the reflex yet :)
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2021-05-28 08:55:51	nomad_fr	hi
2021-05-28 08:56:02	nomad_fr	I'd like this page to be updated http://build.zfsonlinux.org/zfs-features.html
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2021-05-28 09:00:43	oxek	nomad_fr: probably contact someone you find on https://github.com/openzfs/zfs
2021-05-28 09:00:52	oxek	that page is not hosted by the freebsd project
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2021-05-28 09:01:04	@debdrup	Did you read the notice at the bottom of the page?
2021-05-28 09:01:47	oxek	debdrup: the issue is that the zfs.py was not rerun since 2020
2021-05-28 09:01:57	@debdrup	I'm aware.
2021-05-28 09:02:52	nomad_fr	but if we run it does it include FreeBSD 13 and OpenZFS ?
2021-05-28 09:03:49	@debdrup	Who are "we"?
2021-05-28 09:03:57	nomad_fr	ahah
2021-05-28 09:04:51	@debdrup	If you grab zfs.py and run it locally you can probably generate updated data, but I don't see how that's going to help change what's on that page, which has nothing to do with FreeBSD.
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2021-05-28 09:05:45	nomad_fr	it's seems to be it seems to look like inside svn
2021-05-28 09:06:05	nomad_fr	https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/cmd/zpool/zpool-features.7?view=co
2021-05-28 09:06:51	@debdrup	Your point being?
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2021-05-28 09:09:01	@debdrup	the zfs.py script isn't part of the openzfs projects repositories as far as i can spot, and there's no mention of an author, so it's almost impossible to find out who to contact to get things changed.
2021-05-28 09:09:03	nomad_fr	In fact when you use ZFS (and I think FreeBSD is a good OS for that) is to know which version of ZFS compatible with which other OS
2021-05-28 09:09:22	@debdrup	but that doesn't change the fact that it's got nothing to do with FreeBSD
2021-05-28 09:10:01	nomad_fr	FreeBSD support ZFS since a long time so ..
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2021-05-28 09:10:29	@debdrup	yes, i've been using it since 7.0, but so what?
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2021-05-28 09:12:02	nomad_fr	how to now which features and which version is avaible then on FreeBSD ?
2021-05-28 09:12:44	@debdrup	https://man.freebsd.org/zpool-features(7)
2021-05-28 09:13:11	@debdrup	err, it's in section 5.
2021-05-28 09:13:27	@debdrup	https://man.freebsd.org/zpool-features(5)
2021-05-28 09:14:06	@debdrup	why it's in section 5 i don't know, it should be in section 7.
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2021-05-28 09:14:19	nomad_fr	https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=zpool-features&apropos=0&sektion=7&manpath=FreeBSD+13.0-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html
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2021-05-28 09:14:27	nomad_fr	Sorry, no data found for `zpool-features(7)'.
2021-05-28 09:14:35	@debdrup	click the second link
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2021-05-28 09:15:18	nomad_fr	ouuuu
2021-05-28 09:15:20	nomad_fr	ok lol
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2021-05-28 11:32:00	ptx0	debdrup: looks like someone forgot to include this channel in the channels list.
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2021-05-28 11:34:24	@debdrup	Please stop hilighting me for completely random things that's got nothing to do with me.
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2021-05-28 11:36:25	ptx0	?
2021-05-28 11:36:29	ptx0	it's the freebsd wiki
2021-05-28 11:36:36	ptx0	it's in /topic
2021-05-28 11:36:41	ptx0	how is that 'completely random'
2021-05-28 11:37:28	@debdrup	FreeBSD is migrating away from FreeNode because of choices made by the FreeNode staff - this is not up for debate.
2021-05-28 11:37:52	ptx0	same decisions have been made by efnet admins and it's on the list too
2021-05-28 11:38:10	@debdrup	It's not up for debate.
2021-05-28 11:38:29	ptx0	i'm not debating it, i'm point out an oversight
2021-05-28 11:38:38	ptx0	524 users in here, it's a substantial group
2021-05-28 11:39:15	@debdrup	The vast majority of the people in here are idle, and many have never said a single thing, so it's not the argument that you think it is.
2021-05-28 11:39:18	ptx0	you could just add it to the "Unofficial Channels" subsection of "Other Networks".
2021-05-28 11:39:42	@debdrup	Anyway, I've got better things to do than discuss this.
2021-05-28 11:39:56	ptx0	yeah, there's not much to discuss. it's just a list of channels.
2021-05-28 11:39:59	ptx0	adios
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2021-05-28 11:50:27	Hiryu	I'm running FreeBSD 13 with Nvidia drivers (3090). For whatever reason, the refresh rate of the mouse is noticeably lower than it should be. At most it's 30 fps. Is this expected? This happens under both KDE and TWM so it's probably not a desktop specific issue. In the past when I had used FreeBSD+Nvidia, this didn't happen (last time was maybe a few years ago?). I don't have any other GPU's to test against, and I don't know if it's even Nvidia related
2021-05-28 11:51:47	ptx0	do you run 3d stuff at all, does it work okay? glxgears, etc?
2021-05-28 11:52:01	Iambchop	was this a new install of 13 or an upgrade?
2021-05-28 11:52:25	Hiryu	3d accel does appear to be working via glxinfo (which shows direct rendering yes and using the Nvidia driver)
2021-05-28 11:52:50	Hiryu	(I am also aware that glxinfo these days will still say direct rendering is yes even with software, but it specifically shows it's using Nvidia)
2021-05-28 11:53:56	ptx0	are you using Xorg or Wayland?
2021-05-28 11:54:20	Hiryu	Xorg
2021-05-28 11:54:31	ptx0	anything fun / exciting in its logs?
2021-05-28 11:54:40	Hiryu	is Plasma even realistically usable with Wayland yet? That sounded like a WIP at very best
2021-05-28 11:54:43	Hiryu	no
2021-05-28 11:54:56	ptx0	i don't know much about wayland tbh so i was just wondering if i'm out of my element here like donnie
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2021-05-28 11:55:07	ptx0	(it's a big lebowski reference)
2021-05-28 11:55:27	Hiryu	:D
2021-05-28 11:55:39	Hiryu	so compositing is on and refresh rate of screen is set to 120
2021-05-28 11:55:49	Hiryu	glxgears was giving me around 80 fps though
2021-05-28 11:55:52	ptx0	i'm curious if it's too stupid to try feel free to say no, but have you tried using something like VNC to connect over LAN and see if the cursor behaves poorly there too?
2021-05-28 11:55:56	Hiryu	which is weird
2021-05-28 11:56:06	Hiryu	youd' think it would hit 120 (vsyned)
2021-05-28 11:56:10	Hiryu	*vsynced
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2021-05-28 11:56:19	ptx0	yeah it's easy for it to hit 2400s with vsync off
2021-05-28 11:57:05	ptx0	721 frames in 5.0 seconds = 144.000 FPS
2021-05-28 11:57:08	ptx0	i'm at 144hz here.
2021-05-28 11:57:19	ptx0	and a vega 56
2021-05-28 11:58:31	Hiryu	oh this is weird
2021-05-28 11:58:39	Hiryu	I set the refresh to 144 (monitor supports 60, 120, and 144)
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2021-05-28 11:58:47	Hiryu	and now glxgears is hitting about 144 as expected
2021-05-28 11:59:28	ptx0	kinda strange
2021-05-28 11:59:31	Hiryu	mouse seems smoother than it has been (I've tried 144 Hz in the past and it didn't really help). I seem some choppiness, but I'm updating my ports right now
2021-05-28 11:59:36	ptx0	when you move windows around on the desktop do they lag/tear?
2021-05-28 11:59:44	Hiryu	but I also have a 36 thread CPU
2021-05-28 11:59:57	Hiryu	no tearing, the windows seem like they lag like the mouse
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2021-05-28 12:00:43	Hiryu	okay, I take something back
2021-05-28 12:00:45	Hiryu	mouse is slow again
2021-05-28 12:00:50	Hiryu	dragging windows seems pretty smooth
2021-05-28 12:00:54	Hiryu	but mouse refresh is still slow
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2021-05-28 12:01:30	Hiryu	I have hardware cursor set to own on xorg.conf and software cursor off... I did that at some point in my experimentation
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2021-05-28 12:02:15	rennj	vblank_mode=0 glxgears
2021-05-28 12:02:35	rennj	5935 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1186.859 FPS
2021-05-28 12:02:40	rennj	amd apu ftw!
2021-05-28 12:04:03	Hiryu	vblank_mode=0 isn't working. You sure that's the right variable name?
2021-05-28 12:04:11	rennj	and this is 2015 hp amd laptop
2021-05-28 12:04:27	rennj	depends on compile i suppose
2021-05-28 12:04:41	rennj	ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment. should see
2021-05-28 12:04:53	rennj	im on linux also
2021-05-28 12:05:10	Hiryu	yeah, that might be a custom patch or something
2021-05-28 12:05:25	Hiryu	I also have Linux on this box, and the cursor is completely smooth
2021-05-28 12:05:34	Hiryu	to be fair, I think it's been at least a few years since I've run X on FreeBSD :)
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2021-05-28 12:06:31	Hiryu	ptx0: how's your mouse configured? Is it just using the same device as moused?
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2021-05-28 12:09:04	Hiryu	are the Nvidia drivers for FreeBSD somewhat deprecated? I thought I read something about that within the last 1-3 years
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2021-05-28 12:10:19	rennj	i think nvidia has freebsd and solaris support still..
2021-05-28 12:10:54	rennj	https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/freebsd-x64-archive/
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2021-05-28 12:11:10	rennj	Release Date: May 18, 2021
2021-05-28 12:11:17	Hiryu	I've never tried Nvidia under Solaris
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2021-05-28 12:11:31	rennj	well vesa mode for you then
2021-05-28 12:11:35	Hiryu	years ago, I tried the Quake 3 SPARC port as I had a Sunblade 2000 with some sorta 3d accelerator
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2021-05-28 12:11:50	rennj	sb2k with xvr/ati radeon
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2021-05-28 12:12:09	rennj	xvr graphics cards where ati cards really
2021-05-28 12:12:15	Hiryu	hopefully I can switch to AMD for my GPU next generation. 6000 series is a big move in the right direction
2021-05-28 12:12:24	Hiryu	I think it was an XVR
2021-05-28 12:12:33	Hiryu	I still have it. I powered it on about a year ago, ran fine
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2021-05-28 12:12:56	Hiryu	I should give it away. It draws power like you wouldn't believe and I have no need for it. I've already given away all my other SPARC's except for one U10 I'm keeping
2021-05-28 12:13:08	Iambchop	https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/freebsd-feature-deprecation-schedule/61438 "Support for 32-bit x86 kernels, Support for Fermi-based GPUs, Support for FreeBSD versions older than 10.4, Support for FreeBSD versions older than 12.2"
2021-05-28 12:13:14	rennj	could be worse, could be 280R, 2 psu's
2021-05-28 12:13:29	Hiryu	ah, it's rackmount sibling
2021-05-28 12:13:33	Hiryu	*its
2021-05-28 12:13:33	rennj	yeah like 750-1000watt psu
2021-05-28 12:13:53	rennj	280R was dual cpu like sb1k.2k.2500
2021-05-28 12:14:11	ptx0	Hiryu: i'm on linux :s
2021-05-28 12:14:24	Hiryu	hahaha
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2021-05-28 12:14:48	Hiryu	I'm in Linux most of the time, but I'd like to be able to mess around in a FreeBSD desktop from time to time. I have multiple FreeBSD servers
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2021-05-28 12:14:58	ptx0	is it interrupts perhaps
2021-05-28 12:15:15	ptx0	i'm getting a bit into the grasping-at-straws turf
2021-05-28 12:15:16	Hiryu	ptx0: yeah, I've very much considered that. That's why I'm wondering how common this is
2021-05-28 12:15:52	ptx0	hmm
2021-05-28 12:15:59	ptx0	do you have msi enabled etc?
2021-05-28 12:16:12	ptx0	https://people.freebsd.org/~jhb/papers/bsdcan/2007/article/node8.html
2021-05-28 12:16:16	Hiryu	the cursor on the console (via moused) seems around as slow. Maybe it's slower? It's certainly not faster
2021-05-28 12:16:24	Hiryu	I don't know
2021-05-28 12:16:31	ptx0	in linux we can look at lspci -vvv output to see if msi is enabled
2021-05-28 12:16:56	Hiryu	message something interrupts
2021-05-28 12:17:05	Hiryu	I don't remember exactly what the acronym means
2021-05-28 12:17:34	Iambchop	disable moused and try evdev in x?
2021-05-28 12:18:09	Hiryu	Iambchop: that sounds promising
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2021-05-28 12:19:11	Hiryu	seems it's already using that: "config/devd: EVDEV_SUPPORT is enabled, ignoring device ums2"
2021-05-28 12:20:58	aliss	hey, how does one mount ext4 in freebsd?
2021-05-28 12:21:01	rennj	ums i think replaced moused
2021-05-28 12:21:16	Hiryu	I thought moused uses /dev/ums
2021-05-28 12:21:29	rennj	in the rc.conf ums= i want to say
2021-05-28 12:22:07	Hiryu	nothing about ums in /etc/defaults/rc.conf
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2021-05-28 12:24:44	rennj	Alternatively, to load the	driver as a module at boot time, place the following line in loader.conf(5):   ums_load="YES"
2021-05-28 12:24:52	rennj	man page
2021-05-28 12:25:03	rennj	probably what i saw last week talked about
2021-05-28 12:25:31	aliss	(solved already no need to help)
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2021-05-28 12:25:51	Hiryu	kldstat shows the module as already being loaded
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2021-05-28 12:28:57	rennj	 tweak mouse speed with xset m fu i believe
2021-05-28 12:29:15	rennj	To set mouse acceleration and threshold:
2021-05-28 12:29:15	rennj	         m [acc_mult[/acc_div] [thr]]    m default
2021-05-28 12:29:32	Hiryu	that won't affect the refresh rate
2021-05-28 12:31:51	rennj	https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/nvidia-sluggish-system-jumpy-mouse.47940/
2021-05-28 12:31:57	rennj	perhaps check the forums
2021-05-28 12:32:24	Hiryu	from the link that sounds like what might be my problem
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2021-05-28 12:34:06	Hiryu	oh it's in my history, I must've look at this at some point
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2021-05-28 13:37:06	RhodiumToad	ums doesn't replace moused. also, iirc, ums is loaded on demand when a usb mouse is connected, without needing to be in rc.conf or loader.conf
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2021-05-28 14:12:31	@debdrup	It's done by devd if a USB mouse is connected, yes.
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2021-05-28 14:34:04	Latrina	hello
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2021-05-29 11:14:44	heitai	hi
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2021-05-29 11:16:28	heitai	how can i select the minimal font on 13.0 ? i have the fb on 1920x1080 but the font size seems 800x600 or less
2021-05-29 11:17:09	coolvibe	You could up the DPI through xrdb or xsettings
2021-05-29 11:17:29	heitai	on tty ?
2021-05-29 11:18:35	coolvibe	Oh no, that's Xorg
2021-05-29 11:18:57	coolvibe	You need stuff in loader.conf for that
2021-05-29 11:19:43	heitai	xorg work correctly it's just uefi and tty boot prompt is too big
2021-05-29 11:20:36	heitai	loader.conf can't change boot prompt ?
2021-05-29 11:20:47	coolvibe	Can you do something with vidvontrol?
2021-05-29 11:20:48	heitai	with logo
2021-05-29 11:21:02	coolvibe	Gallant is the biggest font I think
2021-05-29 11:22:13	coolvibe	allscreens_flags="-f gallant" in rc.conf might work to make the font bigger in the console
2021-05-29 11:22:45	heitai	i try with vidcontrol but need change after all boot... and the boot prompt with logo seems 640x480 or 800x600
2021-05-29 11:23:40	heitai	no i search to do less bigger font at the logo boot
2021-05-29 11:24:35	coolvibe	The allscreens_flags gets passed to vidcontrol, maybe you could mess with that?
2021-05-29 11:25:09	coolvibe	You can also set modes in there
2021-05-29 11:27:02	heitai	could you give me the conf for write in my paper book for post install ?
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2021-05-29 11:29:15	coolvibe	I guess you will have to experiment, every person's setting is different
2021-05-29 11:29:30	coolvibe	Systems aren't uniform, alas
2021-05-29 11:31:14	heitai	in my laptop on 12 i have uefi work fine in 1920x1080 and the asci logo too
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2021-05-29 11:32:20	heitai	on debian i use 14x8
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2021-05-29 11:39:12	heitai	how can config the boot prompt with logo and the tty in the same ?
2021-05-29 11:39:13	coolvibe	So you are using efifb?
2021-05-29 11:39:54	heitai	i don't know im on debian
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2021-05-29 11:40:14	heitai	but certenly
2021-05-29 11:40:35	coolvibe	Hm not too much experience with tweaking that
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2021-05-29 11:41:08	coolvibe	I know you can set resolutions for efifb in loader.conf, but that's the extent of that
2021-05-29 11:41:38	heitai	need recompile the kernel ?
2021-05-29 11:42:16	heitai	i select gpt+uefi in boot were install
2021-05-29 11:43:18	heitai	wose... ?
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2021-05-29 11:44:41	coolvibe	I don't think you need to recompile anything
2021-05-29 11:45:05	heitai	i think is a bug post install normaly we need select the font size
2021-05-29 11:45:47	heitai	may be miss an option in install script
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2021-05-29 11:46:56	heitai	the bitmap logo is funny but when is too much big is less funny
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2021-05-29 13:02:24	R2COM	is it ok to specify BASEFS directory for poudriere builds to be say /mnt/download/poudriere isntead of /usr/local/poudriere?
2021-05-29 13:02:39	R2COM	if  /mnt/download is a directory mounted on Synology NAS ?
2021-05-29 13:03:28	R2COM	and would it mean that all heavy (stuff occupying space, i.e. ports, jail etc) will reside on that directory?
2021-05-29 13:04:16	R2COM	hm....the only thing is, that stuff is on network HDD which is not ZFS
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2021-05-29 13:12:13	Ltning	Cya 'all on the other side...
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2021-05-29 13:14:53	R2COM	uh...why there is no options description for "man poudriere" for ports?
2021-05-29 13:15:09	R2COM	for example options like -p -m -M -F
2021-05-29 13:15:15	R2COM	where is their description in man page???
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2021-05-29 13:21:02	R2COM	darn it
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2021-05-29 13:42:11	kilitary	where is my laundry pages, ehm
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2021-05-29 14:47:55	nimaje	the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
2021-05-29 14:48:52	AppleGNU	Loserbera
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2021-05-29 14:56:57	kilitary	okay
2021-05-29 14:57:02	 *	kilitary sseeing topic
2021-05-29 14:57:15	kilitary	hnubella
2021-05-29 14:57:23	kilitary	gayberia
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2021-05-29 15:06:10	oxek	kilitary: you're on there as well though
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2021-05-29 15:30:15	toniz4	hello, I'm having constants "crashes" with my raspberry pi running freebsd. I have external drive formatted in zfs working as a nfs share that i access in my gentoo machine. It appears that any time I try to write or read a significant amount of data, the whole os freezes or kernel panics, then i can't connect to it via ssh and it doesn't respond to pings. There is any way i can find the problem? I looked
2021-05-29 15:30:21	toniz4	at /var/crash and only have /var/crash/minfree there.
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2021-05-29 15:31:25	toniz4	I encountered the same problem yesterday when trying to import my pool, that have one drive. I'm encrypting it using geli too.
2021-05-29 15:32:11	Dark	Damn I'm being dos
2021-05-29 15:33:51	toniz4	The other time that I encountered the same issue is when I was using syncthing to sync a folder with my phone, same thing. The ssh sessions that I had open becomes frozen (it doesn't close the connection, just freezes my terminal).
2021-05-29 15:34:53	Dark	Can you upload your logs?
2021-05-29 15:34:56	Dark	To pastern?
2021-05-29 15:34:59	Dark	*pastebin
2021-05-29 15:35:20	Dark	Maybe there we can find some type of hints
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2021-05-29 15:36:06	toniz4	Dark: where would be the logs? I'm a total newb to freebsd
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2021-05-29 15:40:11	@debdrup	Do you have a swap partition? Otherwise, you're not going to get anything in /var/crash
2021-05-29 15:41:19	Dark	Check in /var/log
2021-05-29 15:43:41	toniz4	debdrup: no i don't, the raspberry image doesn't make it by default
2021-05-29 15:43:48	toniz4	a swap file would work?
2021-05-29 15:44:29	Dark	Nope a swap
2021-05-29 15:44:31	Dark	Is a partition
2021-05-29 15:44:33	Dark	Not a file
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2021-05-29 15:47:06	toniz4	Dark: here is my dmesg http://0x0.st/-2_H.today
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2021-05-29 15:47:59	Dark	Let me see
2021-05-29 15:48:40	Dark	da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present
2021-05-29 15:49:36	Dark	And then after it fail to mount on da0 it when to da1 and It succeed it with the mounting
2021-05-29 15:49:56	Dark	Type this sudo pkg install automount
2021-05-29 15:50:05	Dark	And pkg install automounter
2021-05-29 15:50:09	Dark	For auto mounting
2021-05-29 15:50:23	toniz4	Dark: my drive is at da1, i don't really know what is that da0
2021-05-29 15:50:40	Dark	That drive before it was da1
2021-05-29 15:50:43	Dark	:X
2021-05-29 15:50:47	toniz4	my drive "bay" has other inputs for a sdcards, maybe it is that?
2021-05-29 15:50:55	Dark	da0: Serial Number 00000000000006
2021-05-29 15:51:10	Dark	da1: <ST925082 7AS > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
2021-05-29 15:51:25	Dark	da0: <Generic Storage Device 0.00> Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device
2021-05-29 15:51:43	Dark	Do you have one on two?
2021-05-29 15:52:41	toniz4	here is the output of gpart show http://0x0.st/-2_8.txt
2021-05-29 15:53:24	toniz4	Dark: one external hdd, and the sd card in the rpi, where the OS is installed
2021-05-29 15:53:31	Dark	I see 2
2021-05-29 15:53:33	Dark	One is fat32
2021-05-29 15:53:39	Dark	And the other one is ups
2021-05-29 15:53:48	Dark	ufs*
2021-05-29 15:54:08	@debdrup	toniz4: it's a bad idea to back swap with a file, because in case of a crash (especially in the filesystem, though that's not too likely given that the code was started in 1982 and is still being maintained by its original maintainer today), the kernel can't write to a filesystem that's crashed.
2021-05-29 15:54:34	@debdrup	Same reason it's a bad idea to back swap with a zvol, or anything other than a plain disk.
2021-05-29 15:55:00	@debdrup	If a swap partition isn't available, it might be worth seeing if the NIC can do netdump(4).
2021-05-29 15:56:09	toniz4	debdrup: And if I just take a usb drive laying around and make it into a swap partition? That would work?
2021-05-29 15:58:11	@debdrup	toniz4: it should, yeah.
2021-05-29 15:58:34	@debdrup	So long as it's properly partitioned as a FreeBSD swap partition, and not as a filesystem, it's fine.
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2021-05-29 16:00:54	toniz4	debdrup: gonna do that then, thanks for the help!
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2021-05-29 16:05:29	toniz4	debdrup: the output of swapinfo looks good? http://0x0.st/-2_Z.txt
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2021-05-29 16:34:45	@debdrup	toniz4: assuming it's a swap partition, which you can check with gpart show da2 :)
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2021-05-29 16:56:31	toniz4	debdrup: then everything it's fine, if the issue comes up again I will seek help here, thanks again
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2021-05-29 17:49:11	Dark	Omg why are the mirrors so slow
2021-05-29 17:50:52	AndrewBC	are you sure it isn't your DNS setup timing out occasionally/always?
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2021-05-29 18:04:38	Dark	I am pinging and is working...
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2021-05-29 18:12:17	bsdbandit	has anyone had success with using windows 10 guest under behyve
2021-05-29 18:12:17	bsdbandit	>?
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2021-05-29 18:26:33	blauskaerm	A beginner question. How does freebsd expose process information? Linux has /proc but how does it work in freebsd?
2021-05-29 18:26:59	kilitary	like pipes in windows
2021-05-29 18:27:06	 *	kilitary skinheads skinheds
2021-05-29 18:27:16	V_PauAmma_V	See topic for current IRC network.
2021-05-29 18:28:01	@AllanJude	blauskaerm: what information are you after?
2021-05-29 18:28:04	@AllanJude	procstat has most of it
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2021-05-29 18:28:23	blauskaerm	I just want to know how it works
2021-05-29 18:29:39	blauskaerm	htop in linux reads from /proc more or less but I dont understand how i works in freebsd
2021-05-29 18:30:35	blauskaerm	I havent used freebsd that much. Only have one Rpi running it and I have a /proc directory but its empty
2021-05-29 18:31:19	kilitary	you need linuxproc
2021-05-29 18:31:19	blauskaerm	So just a question of interrest
2021-05-29 18:31:22	RhodiumToad	freebsd's /proc is optional and there's a policy (due to past security issues) that base system features must not depend on /proc
2021-05-29 18:31:45	kilitary	add these two lines to /etc/fstab
2021-05-29 18:31:46	kilitary	linprocfs   /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0
2021-05-29 18:31:46	kilitary	linsysfs    /compat/linux/sys linsysfs rw 0 0
2021-05-29 18:31:52	kilitary	and do mount -a
2021-05-29 18:31:53	RhodiumToad	most programs that look at process data get it via sysctl
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2021-05-29 18:32:14	RhodiumToad	usually via interfaces like kinfo_getproc
2021-05-29 18:32:14	kilitary	and before all that install linux_base-c7-7.9.2009
2021-05-29 18:32:17	kilitary	via pkg
2021-05-29 18:32:26	RhodiumToad	no, don't
2021-05-29 18:32:58	blauskaerm	So programs in userspace has a API to the kernel when they want to access process information or other kernel related information?
2021-05-29 18:33:25	kilitary	every os has its own layer
2021-05-29 18:33:31	blauskaerm	RhodiumToad: Was writing my question before reading your answer
2021-05-29 18:33:51	RhodiumToad	there's a bunch of kinfo_* functions in libutil
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2021-05-29 18:35:52	blauskaerm	RhodiumToad: Looks like a beginning. Will look at it
2021-05-29 18:36:02	blauskaerm	Thanks for your time
2021-05-29 18:36:11	@AllanJude	blauskaerm: yeah, there is a sysctl tree, and some libutil functions
2021-05-29 18:36:19	RhodiumToad	and see the topic
2021-05-29 18:36:21	@AllanJude	if you just want stuff from the command line, procstat is very useful
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2021-05-29 18:39:22	blauskaerm	RhodiumToad: Sorry, dont really get "and see the topic". Are you only accepting certain kind of question or are you moving to libera?
2021-05-29 18:39:49	bsdbandit	cargo does not work well on freebsd
2021-05-29 18:40:05	RhodiumToad	the channel is moving (or practically speaking, already moved)
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2021-05-29 18:40:23	bsdbandit	where is it moving to
2021-05-29 18:40:34	bsdbandit	since freenode has been bought
2021-05-29 18:40:37	RhodiumToad	irc.libera.chat, see the link in the topic
2021-05-29 18:40:56	bsdbandit	gotcha
2021-05-29 18:40:59	bsdbandit	thanks
2021-05-29 18:40:59	@debdrup	kilitary: if you're intentionally giving bad advice, you need to stop it.
2021-05-29 18:41:37	blauskaerm	RhodiumToad: Understood
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2021-05-29 23:09:05	Skynet	So I want to install ffmpeg in a jail, but I need the --enable-libfdk_aac option for it.  How would I best go about it with the pkg manager?
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2021-05-29 23:12:10	nesta	install from ports
2021-05-29 23:12:18	nesta	see if its in the build options
2021-05-29 23:12:36	nesta	shit, it might even be in the one built for pkg. who knows
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2021-05-29 23:35:41	pwnmonkey_	bye freenode!
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2021-05-29 23:37:11	nesta	lol
2021-05-29 23:37:18	nesta	so lame
2021-05-29 23:37:35	AppleGNU	hello freenode! You are my forever home!
2021-05-29 23:38:59	nesta	<3
2021-05-29 23:52:51	R2COM	hm so I created a jail, setup a poudriere, defined which package I wanna build, created a pubkey, setup the FreeBSD.conf file to include new repository with file:// pointing to new packages folder
2021-05-29 23:52:54	R2COM	all built OK
2021-05-29 23:53:10	R2COM	and after "pkg update -f" both FreeBSD and custom repository showed OK update
2021-05-29 23:53:16	R2COM	however...
2021-05-29 23:53:26	R2COM	now trying to install some package which I built (it is scons)
2021-05-29 23:53:41	R2COM	and it says, 'scons' have not been found in repositories
2021-05-29 23:53:46	R2COM	but how come...if i built it?
2021-05-29 23:57:42	R2COM	i do see file "scons-py37-3.1.2.txz' in "/usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/jail1-default/All"
2021-05-29 23:57:53	R2COM	but how come its not fetched for install when I do "pkg install scons"
2021-05-29 23:57:54	R2COM	?
2021-05-29 23:57:57	R2COM	what am I  missiung
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2021-05-30 00:00:25	R2COM	hm maybe i should use full name
2021-05-30 00:01:33	R2COM	ok installed
2021-05-30 00:01:35	R2COM	heh
2021-05-30 00:01:36	R2COM	wow
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2021-05-30 06:37:58	GrahamPerrin[m]	R2COM:
2021-05-30 06:38:28	GrahamPerrin[m]	FreshPorts was recently improved for cases such as this. See for example https://www.freshports.org/devel/scons/#add
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2021-05-30 09:11:31	--	Topic for #freebsd is "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-05-30 09:11:31	--	Topic set by Savagedlight (mhka@freebsd/contributor/Savagedlight) on Thu, 27 May 2021 18:21:08
2021-05-30 09:11:31	--	Channel #freebsd: 482 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 480 normals)
2021-05-30 09:11:31	--	PvNotice(ChanServ): Please check handbook and manual pages first at https://freebsd.org/handbook and https://man.freebsd.org | Always use a pastebin, either https://bsd.to or https://termbin.com
2021-05-30 09:11:42	--	Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-05-30 09:20:37	Skynet	Guys, I'm trying to compile ffmpeg and I need the rav1e pkg dependency.  My jail has 0.4.1 installed, the linker needs 0.4.0 or newer, but it thinks it only has 0.3.4
2021-05-30 09:20:43	Skynet	How do I fix this?
2021-05-30 09:24:20	oxek	Skynet: see /topic
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2021-05-30 10:03:30	Skynet	oxek: I'm well aware.  Until this channel fully clears out, I will inhabit both.
2021-05-30 10:03:56	oxek	you can inhabit this channel, but you're much less likely to get any meaningful answers in here
2021-05-30 10:04:11	oxek	I too am in here just to experience that CLEAR USERS, it is a sight to behold
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2021-05-30 12:00:11	heitai	hello
2021-05-30 12:00:38	heitai	can't start gnome-session, no screen found
2021-05-30 12:03:02	heitai	i'm with nvidia card on dell precision7510 and use the latest driver, i complet the xorg.d/20-video.conf but no screen found
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2021-05-30 12:05:12	heitai	xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused
2021-05-30 12:06:22	heitai	kldload nvidia.ko and the first tty say me module load correctly
2021-05-30 12:06:30	oxek	heitai: see /topic
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2021-05-30 12:11:19	V_PauAmma_V	26
2021-05-30 12:14:53	@AllanJude	I use `find ... -print0 | xargs -0` so much
2021-05-30 12:15:05	@AllanJude	sometimes with -P #
2021-05-30 12:15:10	@AllanJude	to run multiple at a time
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2021-05-30 12:58:01	@debdrup	AllanJude: You can skip -print0 and do -exec <command> [argument] {} + with the "{} +" being what functions like xargs
2021-05-30 12:58:43	oxek	+1
2021-05-30 12:58:44	@AllanJude	sure, but xargs is generally better, and with the -P you can do something like
2021-05-30 12:58:51	oxek	there's rarely a need to ever use xargs if you're using find
2021-05-30 12:59:13	@debdrup	I've not quite managed to find out what that magic intonation is meant to signify, just that it's documented in the find(1) manual page and works with BSD grep.
2021-05-30 12:59:16	@AllanJude	find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -n 128 -P 4 <command>
2021-05-30 12:59:37	@AllanJude	and run 4 of the command at once, on 128 files at a time
2021-05-30 12:59:37	@AllanJude	etc
2021-05-30 12:59:41	@debdrup	Agreed, -P can be useful if you're looking through a BIG collection of files.
2021-05-30 12:59:49	@AllanJude	and, never -exec rm
2021-05-30 12:59:52	@AllanJude	use -delete
2021-05-30 12:59:53	@AllanJude	it is better
2021-05-30 13:00:15	@AllanJude	although if you do need to use rm, like if your search is non-empty directories
2021-05-30 13:00:28	@AllanJude	using xargs -n ## rm -r
2021-05-30 13:00:37	@AllanJude	will be more efficient, since you'd only invoke 1 rm per ## files
2021-05-30 13:00:40	@AllanJude	instead of 1 per
2021-05-30 13:00:57	@debdrup	What's the maximum number of files that rm takes?
2021-05-30 13:01:02	@debdrup	I always forget that :/
2021-05-30 13:01:06	oxek	debdrup: depends on shell
2021-05-30 13:01:17	@debdrup	I'm using tcsh.
2021-05-30 13:01:40	oxek	`ulimit` should tell you various things
2021-05-30 13:02:10	@debdrup	Do you mean limits(1)? :)
2021-05-30 13:02:28	oxek	:)
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2021-05-30 13:05:46	R2COM	is it generally good or bad idea to have stuff installed via "pip install" ?
2021-05-30 13:05:52	R2COM	if one has python installed?
2021-05-30 13:06:06	R2COM	or is it better to have programs installed independently?
2021-05-30 13:06:25	R2COM	anything installed with pip becomes out of crontrol of FreeBSD's pkg right?
2021-05-30 13:06:29	R2COM	so bad idea then?
2021-05-30 13:06:33	oxek	if you're using pip in a virtual environment, it is fine
2021-05-30 13:06:45	@debdrup	I would always go for packages if they're available because pip has (historically) had a hard time cleanly uninstalling things.
2021-05-30 13:06:48	R2COM	how to make sure that I am using pip in virtual environment?
2021-05-30 13:06:56	R2COM	i mean...all I did is just installed pip thats it
2021-05-30 13:07:12	oxek	look up python venv
2021-05-30 13:07:18	R2COM	debdrup ok thanks, thats the response i was looking for..
2021-05-30 13:07:22	R2COM	so no pip stuff then
2021-05-30 13:07:38	R2COM	im having hard time now tryint to compile scons....
2021-05-30 13:07:42	R2COM	with latest version
2021-05-30 13:07:53	R2COM	im amazed how come nobody made quality default package from it by default
2021-05-30 13:08:00	R2COM	i mean its a needed stuff
2021-05-30 13:08:04	R2COM	just like cmake or anything else
2021-05-30 13:08:06	R2COM	uhh
2021-05-30 13:08:08	@debdrup	Python virtual environments never strike me as very useful, given the limited isolation that can be achieved using processes that have the same privilege.
2021-05-30 13:08:26	oxek	debdrup: it's not a security thing, it's a "don't mess with the system" thing
2021-05-30 13:08:52	R2COM	but if something installed with proper pkg it cant mess with system or am i wrong
2021-05-30 13:09:38	@debdrup	R2COM: can I ask you to please avoid stream-of-conciousness typing, ie. where you press the enter button as a form of punctionation to whatever you're thinking in the moment as you're typing it out? It's not really very pleasent to follow, and it gets incredibly frustrating when there's even the slightest other conversation going on.
2021-05-30 13:09:58	@debdrup	oxek: but isn't that that point of a package manager to begin with?
2021-05-30 13:10:46	oxek	debdrup: you're right. The issue is that both freebsd and python package manager (pip) can/will conflict with each other, if python virtual environments are not in use.
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2021-05-30 13:12:01	oxek	that's why every language specific package manager has some virtual environment support
2021-05-30 13:12:02	@debdrup	I have to say though, it's extremely uncommon to come across something in python that _isn't_ in ports.
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2021-05-30 13:16:07	heitai	paste.debian.net/1199415 <-- i don't know why, some bug i think, on 12 work correctly
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2021-05-30 13:18:27	@debdrup	heitai: it'd be helpful if you include https:// on URIs, as that's what a lot of terminal emulators and regular expressions are configured to look for.
2021-05-30 13:19:10	@debdrup	Also, that really doesn't look like the full log file.. Could you try "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
2021-05-30 13:23:14	heitai	my mouse don't want down i tty at the last ligne
2021-05-30 13:23:15	heitai	i have buggy logo of freebsd in the up of tty
2021-05-30 13:25:00	R2COM	debdrup scons is in ports but I am having hard time now building it...
2021-05-30 13:26:15	R2COM	just because it in ports doesnt mean problem solved, it might be (or in this case it IS) an obsolete port of version 3.1.2, and the latest version is 4.1.0, and it turns out that its not just about changing version, tons of errors popping out..... so at this moment I am not sure what would be best to do...
2021-05-30 13:27:14	heitai	i pass to RELEASE 12
2021-05-30 13:27:31	heitai	need computer for work
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2021-05-30 13:34:12	heitai	any else you help me to debug no way in 13 at this time
2021-05-30 13:35:24	oxek	heitai: try the other channel
2021-05-30 13:35:54	heitai	oxek: why ?
2021-05-30 13:36:17	heitai	is the most channel for freebsd
2021-05-30 13:36:26	oxek	heitai: read /topic
2021-05-30 13:36:46	oxek	there is barely anyone active in here anymore
2021-05-30 13:37:29	heitai	no screen found it's a problem of export display, but i don't how to
2021-05-30 13:37:46	R2COM	let's say I am trying to build port in my system ports directory by running make, and in the middle I see some stuff like "this file needs to be copied over to other folder within work folder etc", and after I do all that make finally succeds and builds package; now, how do I transfer those little custom actions I did into the poudriere? I do know that to automate it with poudriere I must
2021-05-30 13:37:46	R2COM	just copy that ports branch into the poudriere ports branch, but how do I implement those little tweaks there?
2021-05-30 13:38:18	heitai	in cli is difficulte to read correctly the handbook
2021-05-30 13:40:48	heitai	some tty bug... logo no ask and default tty too much big
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2021-05-30 13:41:20	heitai	i'd like help to debug, but help to do
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2021-05-30 13:42:21	sysctl	su
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2021-05-30 13:43:12	heitai	how export screen to :0.0 ?
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2021-05-30 13:53:51	heitai	pass to current ? recompile the world and test if ?
2021-05-30 13:54:21	heitai	debdrup: oxek: ??
2021-05-30 13:54:47	heitai	help please... the rtfm have there limit
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2021-05-30 13:59:54	oxek	heitai: did you read /topic ?
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2021-05-30 14:03:03	heitai	yes but the handbook is not easy to read in tty
2021-05-30 14:03:18	heitai	can i pass to stable version ?
2021-05-30 14:03:32	heitai	for help ?
2021-05-30 14:03:51	heitai	or current ?
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2021-05-30 14:04:40	heitai	i know some litle the difference but... i don't know were the best choice
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2021-05-30 14:05:34	oxek	heitai: if you can't read the webpage, then the advice is to connect your IRC client to irc.libera.chat and go to the channel #freebsd there, it is a much more active channel than this one
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2021-05-30 15:05:18	LunarAgent	LunarIRC (irc.lunarirc.net) - the friendliest IRC network around! We welcome retro hobbyists, devs and *nix wizards. Drop by, feel at home, create and re-create channels and enjoy your stay! LunarAgent, over and out.
2021-05-30 15:05:32	vdamewood	Very prolific.
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2021-05-30 15:06:23	LunarAgent	that's Mr Prolific ;)
2021-05-30 15:07:42	nesta	lmao
2021-05-30 15:07:44	nesta	wut
2021-05-30 15:08:03	LunarAgent	are you actually a freebsd user vdamewood?
2021-05-30 15:08:30	vdamewood	LunarAgent: Yes.
2021-05-30 15:08:38	LunarAgent	alright.. how's that coming along?
2021-05-30 15:08:46	vdamewood	It works.
2021-05-30 15:08:50	LunarAgent	i mean, i've heard bsd is losing to linux kind of
2021-05-30 15:09:24	LunarAgent	as both server and desktop OS
2021-05-30 15:11:06	vdamewood	I don't really know how to respond to that because I don't keep track of how many people are using which OS.
2021-05-30 15:11:21	LunarAgent	i see
2021-05-30 15:20:58	nesta	dont feed the trolls plz
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2021-05-30 17:19:43	heitai	hi
2021-05-30 17:20:40	heitai	seems my problem for X come to udev and more one screen can selected
2021-05-30 17:21:02	heitai	i'm on 13/stable
2021-05-30 17:22:33	heitai	can't arrive to select vgarom-8x14.fnt at the boot prompt, please help me for that too
2021-05-30 17:22:51	heitai	need vidcontrol at the each boot
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2021-05-30 22:50:21	heitai	finaly i install the 12.2 and work out off box with my know configuration
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2021-05-30 22:51:42	heitai	now i have my coding machine and for VM test
2021-05-30 22:51:57	heitai	see you soon
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2021-05-30 23:07:35	sixpiece	hello my sound stopped working not sure why
2021-05-30 23:07:40	sixpiece	what can I do ?
2021-05-30 23:07:52	sixpiece	I think it's configured correctly it's just muted
2021-05-30 23:08:02	sixpiece	I typed mixer and everything went to 100
2021-05-30 23:08:17	RhodiumToad	how are you testing it?
2021-05-30 23:08:46	RhodiumToad	btw, see the channel topic for where we have moved to
2021-05-30 23:10:03	sixpiece	ok
2021-05-30 23:10:13	sixpiece	can you help me make it work again?
2021-05-30 23:10:17	sixpiece	please
2021-05-30 23:10:19	RhodiumToad	I can try
2021-05-30 23:10:33	sixpiece	ok so what should I do?
2021-05-30 23:10:47	sixpiece	thanks
2021-05-30 23:10:54	RhodiumToad	what are you using to play sounds, that isn't working?
2021-05-30 23:11:03	RhodiumToad	also what hardware is this
2021-05-30 23:11:06	sixpiece	youtube website
2021-05-30 23:11:12	sixpiece	it's vmware
2021-05-30 23:11:59	sixpiece	it's working
2021-05-30 23:12:01	sixpiece	thanks
2021-05-30 23:12:05	sixpiece	it wasn't connect
2021-05-30 23:12:07	sixpiece	thanks
2021-05-30 23:12:09	sixpiece	sorry
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2021-05-30 23:13:32	sixpiece	thank you RhodiumToad , later
2021-05-30 23:14:50	sixpiece	sorry didn't realize it was a foolish error like that
2021-05-30 23:14:56	sixpiece	good night
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2021-05-31 11:03:37	gh00p	Hi folks. I'm having a kld problem I think. I have kldloaded ipfw, but when I `ipfw add nat 111 all from any to any`, I get an error, "ipfw: getsockopt(IP_FW_XADD): Invalid argument". What am I missing?
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2021-05-31 11:06:35	V_PauAmma_V	See /topic for a better place to ask.
2021-05-31 11:07:19	zi	gh00p: check kldstat
2021-05-31 11:07:40	gh00p	V_PauAmma_V, I have asked there too, but the chat is fast and about other topics. I don't want to repeat myself too often.
2021-05-31 11:07:46	zi	but sysrc firewall_enable="YES";service firewall start will do
2021-05-31 11:07:57	gh00p	zi, kldstat tells me that ipfw is loaded, but is there another kld required for in-kernel NAT?
2021-05-31 11:08:21	zi	ipfw_nat
2021-05-31 11:08:30	gh00p	I already have a number of rules running properly, it is just nat. AH. I will try that, thanks.
2021-05-31 11:08:48	zi	sysrc firewall_nat_enable="YES"
2021-05-31 11:09:00	zi	put those in rc.conf and let the rc scripts handle the rest
2021-05-31 11:09:15	zi	er and it's 'service ipfw start'
2021-05-31 11:09:18	zi	a(not firewall)
2021-05-31 11:09:54	gh00p	zi, ipfw_nat64 was the solution. Thank you.
2021-05-31 11:10:11	zi	sysrc firewall_nat64_enable="YES"
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2021-05-31 11:14:47	gh00p	zi, I have a number of rules that I add to the standard set using a custom rc.d script. I have been doing this for years, and it still works, but is there a better way? The rules I add are things like bogon filtering, reverse NAT for certain services to private addresses, and fwd rules based on source addresses.
2021-05-31 11:15:43	zi	cp /etc/rc.firewall /etc/rc.firewall.mine; sysrc firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall.mine"
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2021-05-31 11:17:31	gh00p	zi, that will *replace* things, so that I am no longer using the rules in /etc/rc.firewall. Is that best? My current rules are in addition to the "open" firewall rules.
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2021-05-31 11:20:42	zi	i mean, having a single, unified ruleset probably makes more sense than anything
2021-05-31 11:23:46	zi	so yea custom script > loading open and then making an rc script for more rules
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2021-05-31 12:37:45	barthandelous	So, I just finished my first FreeBSD install (Yay!), which I did without internet. I tried to set up the ethernet interface with a static IP (even though it wasn't plugged in), but now that the ethernet *is* plugged in, and the system has been rebooted, it doesn't show up on the network. Unfortunately, I can't have both a monitor and ethernet plugged in at the same time (space constraints), so I
2021-05-31 12:37:46	barthandelous	really need to be able to SSH into this system. Any ideas what's going wrong?
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2021-05-31 12:44:18	oxek	barthandelous: read /topic
2021-05-31 12:47:29	nesta	lol
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2021-05-31 16:17:03	oxek	when is this channel closing?
2021-05-31 16:20:14	nesta	never!
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2021-05-31 16:32:57	oxek	hopefully soon, the people who are unaware of the situation and just idling are missing out on the good stuff going on in the official channel
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2021-05-31 16:40:09	r2com	so I am trying to compile a port "arm-none-eabi-gdb" in 13.0, and when I navigate to /usr/ports/devel there is no folder "arm-none-eabi-gdb", however when i search, it says port is there but expired
2021-05-31 16:40:18	r2com	how do I get and compile that port then?
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2021-05-31 16:42:51	r2com	"make search name=arm-none-eabi-gdb" command says it is in ../devel but I do not see that port there, what is going on?
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2021-05-31 16:46:26	oxek	r2com: read /topic
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2021-05-31 16:46:48	nesta	smh
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2021-05-31 16:47:26	Aaron	lol
2021-05-31 16:47:56	Aaron	to the ircop who just change the topic
2021-05-31 16:47:56	Aaron	;X
2021-05-31 16:47:57	oxek	ChanServ is like "No you don't!"
2021-05-31 16:52:13	nesta	so lame lol
2021-05-31 16:52:31	fireglow	dang, I've just missed it :(
2021-05-31 16:52:49	nesta	just help the people that are here for help. jeez
2021-05-31 16:54:15	bagira	probly just a netsplit, i saw a few channels have older topics that chanserv reversed
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2021-05-31 16:59:31	oxek	isn't it because this channel is KEEPTOPIC TOPICLOCK
2021-05-31 16:59:56	Aaron	blame it on the juice
2021-05-31 16:59:57	Aaron	;X
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2021-05-31 17:00:45	oxek	oh I see what you mean, things happened in other channels too
2021-05-31 17:01:10	Aaron	he's saying before the netsplit
2021-05-31 17:01:13	Aaron	and after the netsplit ;X
2021-05-31 17:01:21	Aaron	what happens with the services
2021-05-31 17:01:42	Aaron	behind the scenes
2021-05-31 17:02:18	oxek	they fight to the death
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2021-05-31 21:15:43	r2com	i am confused, for vim i gotta have two vimrc files both in /usr/local/etc/vim/vimrc and also in ~/.vim/vimrc ?
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2021-05-31 21:24:25	Aaron	r2com, remember this
2021-05-31 21:24:56	Aaron	when you are dealing with /usr/local/etc it means it has root privileges and ~/vim/ is your home
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2021-05-31 21:25:16	Aaron	that's for protecting not only your root environment but is something where you do not want to copy...
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2021-05-31 21:29:15	r2com	oh nvm
2021-05-31 21:29:17	Iambchop	r2com: from the vim ":help initialization": "set the default settings and mappings for all your edit sessions [in ~ .vimrc]" and "[etc vimrc] only applies if you are managing a Unix system with several users and want to set the defaults for all users"
2021-05-31 21:29:30	Sevenhill	Hello everyone
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2021-05-31 21:30:01	r2com	hm i guess its more clean to have config for everything in ~/.config right?
2021-05-31 21:30:28	Aaron	yes r2com
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2021-05-31 21:30:38	Aaron	better to have them local
2021-05-31 21:30:41	Aaron	in your home
2021-05-31 21:30:42	r2com	but then why is vim not compatible and tries to create ~/.vim ?
2021-05-31 21:30:44	Aaron	instead of your /root
2021-05-31 21:30:55	Aaron	because you are using it as a normal USER
2021-05-31 21:30:56	Aaron	;X
2021-05-31 21:31:09	Aaron	that's why and the directory does not exist
2021-05-31 21:31:14	r2com	if I put my .vim inside .config, would that work?
2021-05-31 21:31:52	Aaron	yes
2021-05-31 21:31:53	Aaron	;X
2021-05-31 21:32:02	Aaron	try it and see
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2021-05-31 21:32:29	Sevenhill	i have 0 knowledge or experience on bsd  , it might be a newbie question for you but i need a little help , have you ever used cmake and opengl  on bsd ?
2021-05-31 21:33:38	r2com	well gues what it doesnt work... so vim does not follow proper unix rules then? should all apps have configs inside .config/.APPNAME?
2021-05-31 21:34:21	Iambchop	r2com: try .config/APPNAME (one dot not two)
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2021-05-31 21:35:13	r2com	does not work either
2021-05-31 21:35:37	r2com	what works is: /usr/local/etc/vim/vimrc or ~/.vim/vimrc
2021-05-31 21:37:06	r2com	I'll just leave it in /usr/local/etc/vim/vimrc so that all users have same config, also I dont want my home folder to be garbaged with configs... darn... aps must use .config!
2021-05-31 21:37:42	Iambchop	ideally all apps would support .config, but not all do
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2021-05-31 21:38:03	Iambchop	Sevenhill: what are you trying to compile?
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2021-05-31 21:40:04	Sevenhill	on kde project we are trying to improve our cmakelists.txt with new syntax and used find_package(OpenGL) so it normally finds EGL, GLX, and OpenGL
2021-05-31 21:40:14	Sevenhill	but whenever it comes to link it gives error like : Target "corebindingsplugin" links to target "OpenGL::EGL" but the target  was not found.  Perhaps a find_package() call is missing for an IMPORTED target, or an ALIAS target is missing
2021-05-31 21:40:20	Sevenhill	isnt find_package(OpenGL) is enough for OpenGL::EGL ? for bsd ?
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2021-05-31 21:44:56	Iambchop	Sevenhill: what version of cmake do you have on bsd? "New in version 3.10... COMPONENTS: EGL, GLX, and OpenGL" https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FindOpenGL.html
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2021-05-31 21:46:13	Sevenhill	this is the log of failure : https://build.kde.org/view/Failing/job/Frameworks/job/plasma-framework/job/kf5-qt5%20FreeBSDQt5.15/465/console , we are porting it from 3.5 to 3,16
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2021-05-31 21:55:59	Iambchop	hmm... https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FindOpenGL.html#linux-specific
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2021-05-31 22:00:27	Iambchop	does your freebsd have graphics/libglvnd installed?
2021-05-31 22:02:16	Sevenhill	i dont have bsd this is ci machine and to be honest i dont have information what it has or not , but from its cmake logs it says OpenGL, The OpenGL libraries found
2021-05-31 22:02:41	Sevenhill	it looks like today i need to download freebsd and try to compile kde over it
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2021-05-31 22:05:38	Sevenhill	btw i fixed its windows compile problem
2021-05-31 22:05:52	Sevenhill	just bsd if problem now
2021-05-31 22:08:02	Sevenhill	i will try to find a solutin and if we couldnt find until end of 2nd of june we just revert half of this mr ( i mean keeping 3.16 part but reverting  gl parts to legacy for the sakke of bsd :( )
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2021-05-31 22:20:54	w0ls0n	Hi guys. I have been using FreeBSD for several decades and I just decided to try emby server. I have it setup and it sees all my content but when I try to play something the emby server crashes. All I see in /var/log/messages is May 31 21:50:04 turtle kernel: pid 955 (mono-sgen), jid 0, uid 989: exited on signal 6
2021-05-31 22:21:19	w0ls0n	google is weak on that search
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2021-05-31 22:29:04	w0ls0n	and is the latest version of portsnap corrupt? I keep getting the message snapshot corrupt when running portsnap fetch. I have also tried to remove all content of /var/db/portsnap to no avail
2021-05-31 22:30:11	Aaron	w0ls0n, I love emby
2021-05-31 22:30:15	Aaron	I always use it
2021-05-31 22:31:01	Aaron	pastebin the files some where
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2021-05-31 22:31:56	koobs	w0ls0n: hey mate. note the topic as well. our official/primary IRC presence is no longer freenode
2021-05-31 22:32:21	w0ls0n	oh yea that's right
2021-05-31 22:32:26	koobs	w0ls0n: re corruption, try removing ports and re do fetch/extract
2021-05-31 22:32:31	w0ls0n	pastebin what files
2021-05-31 22:33:30	Aaron	don't know any more ;)
2021-05-31 22:33:34	Aaron	read what koobs says
2021-05-31 22:33:43	Aaron	don't listen to me
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2021-05-31 22:38:25	w0ls0n	nope still didn't work
2021-05-31 22:38:28	w0ls0n	Verifying snapshot integrity... gunzip: invalid compressed data--crc erro
2021-05-31 22:38:43	w0ls0n	snapshot corrupt.
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2021-05-31 22:48:53	w0ls0n	I give up for now
2021-05-31 22:48:58	w0ls0n	I will try tomorrow
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2021-06-01 03:28:57	abmrk	bonjour je voudrais avoir des informations sur la différence qui existe entre les architectures amd64 et powerpc64 svp
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2021-06-01 06:07:39	koobs	abmrk: s'il vous plaît voir le canal /topic - notre réseau irc principal et officiel est maintenant libera.chat
2021-06-01 06:07:43	koobs	:D
2021-06-01 06:08:23	koobs	abmrk: nous avons aussi une chaîne en français sur libera.chat #freebsd-fr
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2021-06-01 19:11:08	Dark	This is too funny ;X
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2021-06-01 19:14:36	nesta	the most important thing is that you go to the new network, this is absolutely vital!!!!
2021-06-01 19:14:52	nesta	helping people no longer matters!!!
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2021-06-01 19:15:29	Dark	People we're saying that others were treating them like crap
2021-06-01 19:15:41	Dark	All this French coders are liers and hate America ;X
2021-06-01 19:17:04	Dark	I'm uploading every log ;X
2021-06-01 19:17:19	nesta	i dont think anyone cares :D
2021-06-01 19:17:20	oxek	nesta: this channel will get closed eventually, hopefully sooner than later, before the freenode admins do it themselves
2021-06-01 19:17:37	nesta	oxek: i don't thionk it will get closed at all
2021-06-01 19:17:50	nesta	and if it does it will just be reopened
2021-06-01 19:17:58	Dark	Not only they gline me in libera
2021-06-01 19:18:15	oxek	it could only get reopened by someone from the freebsd project asking it to be reopened
2021-06-01 19:18:15	Dark	Now they close down my ubuntu.com because of some stupid drama
2021-06-01 19:18:19	Dark	And lies of team players
2021-06-01 19:18:51	Dark	Saying I was treating them like crap eventually they we're spamming so bad
2021-06-01 19:19:11	Dark	And now more lies ;X this is funny is good to be a fed ;X
2021-06-01 19:19:15	Dark	And work for them <3
2021-06-01 19:19:33	nesta	oxek: thats incorrect
2021-06-01 19:19:38	Dark	Now the fun begins with project managers ;X
2021-06-01 19:19:53	Dark	Getting them search one by one thank you freenode and libera ;X
2021-06-01 19:19:57	nesta	Dark: no one knows nor cares what you are blogging about
2021-06-01 19:20:02	nesta	just fyi
2021-06-01 19:20:13	Dark	Lol I know ;)
2021-06-01 19:20:15	Dark	Is all good
2021-06-01 19:20:20	oxek	nesta: how so?
2021-06-01 19:20:30	nesta	oxek: wait and see
2021-06-01 19:20:53	koobs	nesta: please dont antagonise
2021-06-01 19:21:20	Dark	And all logs for years we're keep (:
2021-06-01 19:21:27	Dark	Kept ::X
2021-06-01 19:21:35	oxek	you should have a data retention policy on that
2021-06-01 19:21:42	nesta	inscribe it on a stone tablet bro
2021-06-01 19:21:52	nesta	koobs: OK
2021-06-01 19:22:10	Dark	When people from teams are saying they felt threaten by me all I try to do is get involved with the bridging part
2021-06-01 19:22:20	Dark	From a community to the other one ;)
2021-06-01 19:22:43	Dark	With my limnoria skills not only I was a contributor for years now this French moron said He felt threaten by me
2021-06-01 19:22:45	Dark	;X
2021-06-01 19:23:01	koobs	Dark: OT in #freebsd-social please
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2021-06-01 20:39:32	--	Topic set by Savagedlight on Thu, 27 May 2021 18:21:07
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2021-06-01 20:39:32	--	PvNotice(ChanServ): see https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC for official information
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2021-06-02 07:20:23	TheAvatar	I am trying to freebsd-update a 10.4-RELEASE server, but the update server no longer host required files. I get this error when running freebsd-update. Is there a way to move past this error: http://update1.freebsd.org/10.4-RELEASE/i386/m/fdf91b660fabb857cfe9e8528a314093fdca239c9a805505e1bde4d58a7b0498.gz: 404 Error (ignored)
2021-06-02 07:20:50	TheAvatar	I was thinking an alternate mirror or something like that, just so I can get it up to something current
2021-06-02 07:23:35	nimaje	the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
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2021-06-02 07:25:31	TheAvatar	I saw, but figured the amount of users here still, might be sufficient for an answer, thanks though
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2021-06-02 08:13:24	@AllanJude	TheAvatar: which command are you running? as it looks like it is trying to just update 10.4 to the latest -pXX
2021-06-02 08:13:25	oxek	TheAvatar: it's only zombies here
2021-06-02 08:13:44	@AllanJude	whereas if you add the right flags, it should be able to upgrade you to 12.2 or 13.0 without needing those files that are not hosted anymore
2021-06-02 08:14:07	@AllanJude	10.4 went out of support October 31, 2018
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2021-06-02 08:57:35	TheAvatar	AllanJude, I did freebsd-update upgrade -r 11.4-RELEASE
2021-06-02 08:58:25	@AllanJude	didn't think that would require files from the 10.4 stuff
2021-06-02 08:58:43	TheAvatar	neither did I :)
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2021-06-02 10:37:19	zi	i think it still does need them as those files as they're used for comparison
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2021-06-02 10:39:32	zi	s/ as they're/ are/
2021-06-02 10:39:33	zi	wow
2021-06-02 10:39:33	zi	hehe
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2021-06-02 11:54:14	@AllanJude	yeah, but I thought it could fall back to just fetching the new files, rather than the binary diffs
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2021-06-02 15:57:49	farhan	I'm running into a situation where my RDR/NAT to my jails is not working.
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2021-06-03 00:02:57	farhan	I am having trouble with pf. I am trying to RDR all traffic to port 80 to a specific jail (172.16.1.2)
2021-06-03 00:03:11	farhan	I see the SYN packet coming in from the internet, but it doesn't reach the end host.
2021-06-03 00:03:15	farhan	the end jail
2021-06-03 00:03:24	farhan	I can show my pf rules if that'll help?
2021-06-03 00:03:29	nesta	sure
2021-06-03 00:05:25	farhan	https://dpaste.org/Zz9t
2021-06-03 00:07:28	farhan	my bridge0 is this...https://dpaste.org/Bnkj
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2021-06-03 00:08:42	nesta	is this on an ovh machine by any chance
2021-06-03 00:09:20	farhan	I don't know what digital ocean's backend is.
2021-06-03 00:11:01	farhan	traffic reaches vtnet0, but doesn't get forwarded along...
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2021-06-03 00:12:49	farhan	sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1
2021-06-03 00:12:51	farhan	that was it...
2021-06-03 00:13:34	nesta	nice
2021-06-03 00:16:13	farhan	i think my jails and the base OS's versions don't match...
2021-06-03 00:16:18	farhan	this system was idle for a few months
2021-06-03 00:16:54	nesta	should be pretty easy to update those
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2021-06-03 00:20:18	farhan	Undefined symbol "pthread_setname_np@FBSD_1.6"
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2021-06-03 00:23:43	farhan	Undefined symbol "pthread_setname_np@FBSD_1.6"
2021-06-03 00:23:46	farhan	Getting this error...
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2021-06-03 00:42:15	nesta	farhan: i update from source, is that from freebsd-update
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2021-06-03 02:52:13	[pyro]	hi all. I have a Sierra Wireless EM7430 installed, but I cant connect to it using the cu command. I just get /dev/cuau0: Device Busy. I have read that I should have a /dev/cuau0.2 but non exists. Any suggestions?
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2021-06-03 08:40:03	Kage	This is gonna sound like a silly question, I know, but does anyone know where I could get a running VirtualBox VDI for FreeBSD 9?  Reason being is that I need to validate a special error page works for TLS 1.0 and 1.1 connections, and I can't think of another way to do it.
2021-06-03 08:40:59	Kage	I literally just need old curl and OpenSSL to make sure it works correctly.  All the Docker images I tried for old Ubuntu, well, too new.  So, FreeBSD 9 I guess?
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2021-06-03 08:47:11	oxek	Kage: read /topic
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2021-06-03 08:53:19	Kage	Ok
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2021-06-03 13:29:24	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-03 13:29:27	WiseSon	;)
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2021-06-03 13:55:44	thorre	Bye bye, moving to the new network in accordance with the topic.
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2021-06-03 15:06:27	tehpwnz	Hello FreeBSD people. I am on FreeBSD 12 and I have installed mysql-80. I want to be able to connect to my mysql instance from a remote ip, problem is, my ip changes based on where I am connecting to the host from. How do I do this? I added bind-address 0.0.0.0 to the mysql cnf file but I stil can't access the instance remotely
2021-06-03 15:07:20	@AllanJude	you have to configure the user to be allowed from that address
2021-06-03 15:09:36	tehpwnz	AllanJude, from my server address? That I do in the mysql itself right, the grant privileges command?
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2021-06-03 15:09:52	@AllanJude	yeah, in 8.x it is different
2021-06-03 15:09:56	@AllanJude	you have to configure the 'role'
2021-06-03 15:10:03	@AllanJude	to have an address of '%' if you want 'any'
2021-06-03 15:10:08	@AllanJude	https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/role-names.html
2021-06-03 15:10:10	tehpwnz	AllanJude, ah okay
2021-06-03 15:10:38	@AllanJude	or rather
2021-06-03 15:10:43	@AllanJude	% doesn't work like that anymore
2021-06-03 15:10:45	@AllanJude	it seems to say
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2021-06-03 15:12:00	tehpwnz	hmmm, here we go again
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2021-06-03 22:18:21	kiwichap	hello
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2021-06-03 22:47:21	FuZzYHALL	hello
2021-06-03 22:54:20	kiwichap	how are you?
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2021-06-03 23:01:33	nesta	yes hello
2021-06-03 23:04:11	FuZzYHALL	ready to start bed routine here
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2021-06-04 04:43:41	abmrk	stp :)
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2021-06-04 06:42:52	abmrk	hi can somebody help me with that stp ?
2021-06-04 06:42:54	abmrk	Jun 04 12:41:39.113 [notice] Read configuration file "/usr/local/etc/tor/torrc".
2021-06-04 06:42:54	abmrk	Jun 04 12:41:39.117 [notice] Processing configuration path "/etc/torrc.d/" at recursion level 1.
2021-06-04 06:42:54	abmrk	Jun 04 12:41:39.117 [warn] Error reading included configuration file or directory: "/etc/torrc.d/".
2021-06-04 06:42:54	abmrk	Jun 04 12:41:39.117 [err] Reading config failed--see warnings above.
2021-06-04 06:44:51	nimaje	seems like you have some misformed config file in /etc/torrc.d/, why ever that dir would be used and not /usr/local/etc/torrc.d/
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2021-06-04 06:58:44	abmrk	this is not very clear im new with tor
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2021-06-04 07:02:16	nimaje	oh, does /etc/torrc.d/ even exist on your system?
2021-06-04 07:02:59	nimaje	where is that torrc from?
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2021-06-04 07:05:28	nimaje	and the channel on libera is probably more helpful (see /topic) as it probably is more active and I have no idea what stp is (probably some tor proxie or similar guessing from the filenames)
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2021-06-04 09:28:07	abmrk	<nimaje> oh, does /etc/torrc.d/ even exist on your system? >> [root@MINE /home/abmrk]# locate /etc/torrc.d/
2021-06-04 09:28:07	abmrk	[root@MINE /home/abmrk]#
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2021-06-04 09:31:35	nimaje	maybe it not existing is the problem, try not including it (and why would you use locate to check if an absolute path exists? file, stat or ls are easier ways for that)
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2021-06-04 16:37:19	srandon111	hello all, is there something equivalent to arch AUR or pkgsrc pkgsrc-wip for freebsds ?
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2021-06-04 16:41:00	oxek	srandon111:  read /topic
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2021-06-04 17:31:09	srandon111	oxek, and then ?
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2021-06-04 17:32:27	oxek	srandon111: and then ask in the right channel
2021-06-04 17:32:57	srandon111	damn why is everybody moving?
2021-06-04 17:33:03	srandon111	i don't want to add another IRC server
2021-06-04 17:33:06	srandon111	=(
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2021-06-04 17:33:13	oxek	add one, delete one
2021-06-04 17:33:25	oxek	you know why this is happening, right?
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2021-06-04 17:48:32	srandon111	oxek, no
2021-06-04 17:48:36	srandon111	why is it happening?
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2021-06-04 17:49:03	oxek	srandon111: I don't want to promote anything, so just put 'freenode' into your favorite search engine and read the news
2021-06-04 17:49:07	@debdrup	Probably not a topic for #FreeBSD.
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2021-06-04 22:27:19	Netwolf	so is thre a new irc server?
2021-06-04 22:27:26	Netwolf	ubuntu is on libera chat
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2021-06-05 22:53:53	r2com	I did compile the "arm-none-eabi-gcc" and installed it from ports, is it because it didnt for some reason install standard libraries?
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2021-06-06 05:46:19	@debdrup	See /topic.
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2021-06-06 10:57:56	Dat	How can I do source routing in pfsense or FreeBSD?
2021-06-06 11:00:57	@debdrup	You might wanna have a look at the topic, using /topic.
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2021-06-06 11:05:56	ptx0	Dat: by googling for the answer, probably.
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2021-06-06 11:08:47	Dat	Thanks all can always appreciate irc
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2021-06-06 12:33:13	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-06 12:33:14	WiseSon	;)
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2021-06-07 18:09:20	--	Topic for #freebsd is "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-06-07 18:09:20	--	Topic set by Savagedlight on Thu, 27 May 2021 18:21:07
2021-06-07 18:09:21	--	Channel #freebsd: 391 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 389 normals)
2021-06-07 18:09:21	--	PvNotice(ChanServ): see https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC for official information
2021-06-07 18:09:32	--	Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-06-07 21:30:19	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-07 21:30:21	WiseSon	;)
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2021-06-07 22:28:22	w0ls0n	hey guys. Do you think an i5-2500 cpu can handle streaming via emby? When I try to play movies I get a lot of lag. I'm assuming it's just too old. it's from 2011
2021-06-07 22:29:12	w0ls0n	I will move to libre chat
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2021-06-07 23:08:19	Aaron	emby is lovely
2021-06-07 23:08:26	Aaron	I heavenly use it
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2021-06-07 23:42:54	daniel2	I use plex but I might switch if it keeps going downhill
2021-06-08 00:05:01	vstemen	I also run plex on FreeBSD.  I originally liked the emby interface better but I couldn't get it to work right.  Plex has a few problems but it works for the most part.
2021-06-08 00:06:20	vstemen	daniel2,
2021-06-08 00:10:29	daniel2	It works okay, but the developers stopped really caring it feels.
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2021-06-08 14:08:30	adilix	:)
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2021-06-08 14:43:01	randombit	:]
2021-06-08 14:50:23	adilix	:(
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2021-06-08 14:59:21	adilix	:{=>
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2021-06-08 15:05:22	randombit	:}|-)
2021-06-08 15:07:59	adilix	0|o
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2021-06-08 15:46:40	randombit	@.@
2021-06-08 15:48:05	adilix	(:-{
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2021-06-08 15:51:28	adilix	i am out cya bb
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2021-06-08 15:53:07	randombit	cya adil!
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2021-06-09 17:36:23	adilix	hi all
2021-06-09 17:37:22	randombit	adilix, check https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC
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2021-06-09 17:41:38	oxek	and consider reading https://www.nohello.com/
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2021-06-09 18:03:29	randombit	oxek, this was not the same as on the webpage...
2021-06-09 18:03:58	oxek	true, but similar enough for a low activity channel like this one
2021-06-09 18:04:18	oxek	"Oh nice, someone said something in #freebsd! Oh, it's just hello"
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2021-06-09 18:07:45	randombit	xD i understand ur frustration
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2021-06-09 18:08:59	adilix	randombit,  why should i check it?
2021-06-09 18:09:25	adilix	i know this channel has been moved to libera
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2021-06-09 18:15:31	randombit	its like i should've known u knew it already especiall considering you said hello like this channel is still alive, yet you know its not
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2021-06-09 18:20:00	adilix	randombit,  just  a moment
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2021-06-09 20:42:57	koobs	oxek: we welcome greetinghs and hello's in our community
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2021-06-09 20:46:20	randombit	koobs, personally i actually find it being polite if someone greets others. ofc, on irc is not needed especially when lots of people are in channel, and its not for casual discussion
2021-06-09 20:47:26	koobs	randombit: yeh, i understand the spirit of the nohello
2021-06-09 20:47:51	koobs	randombit: having said that, we prioritise approachable/friendly over strictness on that front
2021-06-09 20:48:07	koobs	greetings and how are you's are fectly fine
2021-06-09 20:48:39	randombit	Hello koobs then :P How are you today?
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2021-06-09 20:49:53	koobs	randombit: fantastic, how are you ?
2021-06-09 20:50:08	randombit	koobs, same.
2021-06-09 20:50:10	randombit	:D
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2021-06-09 20:51:56	koobs	lovely :)
2021-06-09 20:53:02	randombit	btw... ARMv4/5 ---> "arm" ;  ARMv6 ---> "armv6" ; ARMv7 ---> "armv7" ; 64-bit ARMv8 ---> "aarch64". am i the only one seeing here an odd-on-out?
2021-06-09 20:53:14	randombit	why is that
2021-06-09 20:53:24	koobs	its the official name
2021-06-09 20:53:29	koobs	official upstream name
2021-06-09 20:53:35	randombit	i see that. but why
2021-06-09 20:53:44	koobs	https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1397326032407994369
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2021-06-09 20:53:46	koobs	dunno
2021-06-09 20:54:30	randombit	haha xD
2021-06-09 20:56:10	randombit	any time i saw aarch64 mentioned i started to scratch my head... :D
2021-06-09 20:56:22	randombit	even though i checked it already
2021-06-09 20:57:28	koobs	*nods*
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2021-06-10 08:56:22	sassyn	hi all
2021-06-10 08:56:34	sassyn	I new baby when it comes to freebsd
2021-06-10 08:56:40	sassyn	I have an issue with my system
2021-06-10 08:56:45	sassyn	it is using ZFS
2021-06-10 08:56:52	sassyn	and after reboot the system is not booting any more
2021-06-10 08:57:00	sassyn	it is using EFI
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2021-06-10 10:13:01	nimaje	sassyn: the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
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2021-06-10 18:21:06	imachine	hi
2021-06-10 18:21:24	imachine	how is it possible to make ue0 (USB phone) work out of box via dhcp?
2021-06-10 18:21:41	imachine	I have in rc.conf ifconfig_ue0="DHCP"
2021-06-10 18:22:00	imachine	but when I do /etc/rc.d/netif restart, still it don't pick up the interface, what give?
2021-06-10 18:22:20	imachine	the phone is connected or not, no difference; dhclient ue0 manually as root works no probs
2021-06-10 18:22:42	imachine	is maybe ue0 special interface and need enable somehow?
2021-06-10 18:22:56	imachine	so freebsd pick up it setting when start
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2021-06-10 18:39:57	randombit	idk, i always do it manually.
2021-06-10 18:40:13	randombit	btw u should ask it in main channel. this one is dead
2021-06-10 18:40:20	randombit	imachine
2021-06-10 18:40:29	randombit	oh... not here anymore
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2021-06-11 00:42:52	acu	I am running freebsd 13.0 and have two drives - one 1TB where I have my zroot - and a 8 tb that I want to add to a new pool - the 8 TB geom name is da1 ---- if I run  zpool create vmpool1 /dev/da1
2021-06-11 00:43:08	acu	invalid vdev specification
2021-06-11 00:43:20	acu	use '-f' to override the following errors:
2021-06-11 00:43:56	acu	.... /dev/da1 is part of potentially active pool 'zroot'
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2021-06-11 02:17:34	nimaje	acu: the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
2021-06-11 02:18:22	nimaje	and using labels for your disks is probably better
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2021-06-11 11:40:24	rance	Recently upgraded a working 12.x box to 13.  After auditing services I've got a strange issue with an rc script in a jail that was also upgraded to 13.  The rc script makes use of daemon to set the user of the process.  The process claims that the user is root, and not the correct unprivileged user and quits. Tested with "daemon -u <user> whoami" and this seems to work as expected.  Any idea what I should try next?
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2021-06-11 15:02:18	nimaje	rance: the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
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2021-06-11 18:46:41	Vall	Hello, I just booted my Raspberry Pi Model B with FreeBSD (13.0) for the first time. I'm trying to log in via the network (ssh) but I see no activity on its LAN port -- does it come up the first time with the LAN unconfigured?
2021-06-11 18:47:06	Vall	That would really ruin my day -- I have no monitor/keyboard to connect to it (my only other computer is a laptop).
2021-06-11 18:51:11	haroldp	hmm, why haven't I installed freebsd on my new pi4 yet?
2021-06-11 18:52:59	haroldp	was this the image you used? https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/arm/armv6/ISO-IMAGES/13.0/FreeBSD-13.0-RELEASE-arm-armv6-RPI-B.img.xz
2021-06-11 18:53:30	Vall	haroldp: yep
2021-06-11 18:53:56	Vall	I'm pretty sure the install was OK, by the behavior of the RPi LEDs
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2021-06-11 18:54:10	Vall	The problem is, how to access it headless
2021-06-11 18:56:51	haroldp	I gotcha. flashing a drive real quick.  momentito
2021-06-11 18:59:38	Vall	KK, thanks for the help!
2021-06-11 19:00:02	Iambchop	is that version of the board USB OTG? "OTG-capable boards, such as Zero, provide virtual serial console when connected to an USB host." otherwise "to use a serial console (you'll need a USB to TTL Serial Cable" https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi
2021-06-11 19:00:32	haroldp	is that page up to date at all?
2021-06-11 19:00:43	Vall	Iambchop: nope. unfortunatelly (AFAIK only the Pi Zero is OTG capable)
2021-06-11 19:08:22	haroldp	ok, booting.  I think
2021-06-11 19:08:32	Iambchop	"The OTG hardware is intended to be used in device-only mode on Pi 4." https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/usb/README.md#overview_pi4
2021-06-11 19:10:36	Vall	Iambchop: perhaps the Pi4 too, I'm not really familiar with it (my only RPi is this old model B)
2021-06-11 19:11:00	haroldp	did not boot, heh
2021-06-11 19:12:22	Vall	haroldp: ;-)
2021-06-11 19:12:41	Vall	haroldp: no prob, mate, and thanks for trying
2021-06-11 19:13:09	haroldp	is yours 1,2,3,4B?
2021-06-11 19:14:06	Vall	My is a 1  model B
2021-06-11 19:14:17	Vall	512MB of RAM
2021-06-11 19:15:42	Vall	I tried booting the newest ISO I had (one for 12.2-RELEASE) in a VM to use it as a liveCD to mount and edit the RPI card, to no avail (weird USB controller errors, perhaps because it's a USB3 port)
2021-06-11 19:15:55	Vall	downloading the latest FreeBSD13-STABLE to test
2021-06-11 19:16:29	haroldp	I have a 1B, but it runs my sprinkers, si can't use it to test :)
2021-06-11 19:17:37	Vall	Hehe :-)
2021-06-11 19:17:44	Vall	the plants need water ;-)
2021-06-11 19:17:55	haroldp	indeed
2021-06-11 19:18:08	Vall	via GPIO? Or something else?
2021-06-11 19:19:38	haroldp	yeah, GPIO to a multi-port relay board to replace one of those "rainbird" shitboxes
2021-06-11 19:20:30	Vall	nice!
2021-06-11 19:21:42	Vall	Here I use ESP8266/ESP32 for all things IoT. But they only connect via 2.4Ghz Wifi, so now that I've migrated my main wifi to 5Ghz, I need someone to bridge both networks
2021-06-11 19:22:12	Vall	actually, to bring up a 2.4Ghz WiFi and bridge it to my 5Ghz one
2021-06-11 19:22:50	Vall	(my "access point"  is an android phone in Hotspot mode, so it can't provide both 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz Wifi at the same time -- it's one or the other)
2021-06-11 19:23:44	haroldp	an esp would probablty make more sense, but it's not broke, so...I haven't tried to fix it
2021-06-11 19:23:59	haroldp	flashing a new image
2021-06-11 19:25:03	Vall	my main reason for using ESP32/ESP8266 is power usage
2021-06-11 19:25:42	Vall	they seep power at 100mA max, and I can put then into sleep mode most of the time, then they use microamps
2021-06-11 19:26:28	Vall	Sigh
2021-06-11 19:26:59	Vall	VM won't recognize the image on the SD card. Here's what I get when I attach the device to it: https://i.imgur.com/HEwRoaQ.png
2021-06-11 19:27:23	Vall	VM running FreeBSD13-STABLE
2021-06-11 19:28:59	Vall	Doesn't seem to be an I/O problem, with `dd </dev/da0 | hexdump -C | less` I can see what looks like a healthy volume
2021-06-11 19:30:35	Vall	The problem seems to be the 'GEOM_PART: integrity check failed (da0, MBR)' thing
2021-06-11 19:30:40	Vall	any ideas?
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2021-06-11 20:37:53	haroldp	got an image that works.  booting!
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2021-06-11 20:40:35	haroldp	booted with monitor and keyboard and got an etherent network on genet0 and an ip via dhcp
2021-06-11 20:47:20	haroldp	can ssh in as awell
2021-06-11 20:48:25	Vall	back
2021-06-11 20:48:44	Vall	So it loaded dhcp automatically?
2021-06-11 20:48:49	haroldp	it did
2021-06-11 20:49:05	Vall	And sshd? Without having to change any configuration?
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2021-06-11 20:53:02	haroldp	correct
2021-06-11 20:53:25	haroldp	le'me see if it boot wo monitor and keyboard
2021-06-11 20:53:28	haroldp	boots
2021-06-11 20:58:10	Vall	OK, here I'm not having great luck -- it seems to boot (all LEDs light up, carrier comes up in the ethernet port, etc) but it doesn't send anything in the ethernet port, no DHCP requests, no nothing
2021-06-11 20:59:36	Vall	I thought that it perhaps would use some fixed address in the 192.168.x.0/24 range. Tried with 192.168.1.0 to not avail, ran nmap on the network from my laptop and  no IP answers
2021-06-11 21:00:41	haroldp	works wo kb and monitor too
2021-06-11 21:00:58	Vall	The most frustrating part is being unable to mount the SD card partitions both in my Linux laptop and in a FreeBSD VM
2021-06-11 21:01:19	haroldp	When I booted a bad image I got ethernet lights, but didn't look closely at them
2021-06-11 21:01:24	Vall	If I could mount it, I could look at config files, logs, etc and figure/fix what is going wrong
2021-06-11 21:01:29	Vall	Hummmr
2021-06-11 21:01:35	Vall	lemme double check the image
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2021-06-11 21:04:31	Vall	OK, I was using this other one: https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/arm/armv6/ISO-IMAGES/13.0/FreeBSD-13.0-STABLE-arm-armv6-RPI-B-20210610-f8edb3f9c72-245963.img.xz
2021-06-11 21:04:46	Vall	Similar but not the same as the one you listed
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2021-06-11 21:04:56	Vall	Downloading yours now
2021-06-11 21:05:35	haroldp	if I boot with no SD card at all I still get etehrnet lights
2021-06-11 21:06:31	Vall	heh
2021-06-11 21:07:24	Vall	weird,right? Perhaps some ROM trying network boot?
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2021-06-11 21:08:24	haroldp	makes sense.  it will netboot
2021-06-11 21:08:35	runk_knullhora	 ╰⋃╯ 屪  B==D~  （@ㅅ@） <--- titties. This message has been endorsed by the official libera.chat staff. Updaes on the rasengan situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRDRFWNLrDk
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2021-06-11 21:18:29	Vall	uh oh
2021-06-11 21:18:32	Vall	xzcat FreeBSD-13.0-RELEASE-arm-armv6-RPI-B.img.xz | wc -c;
2021-06-11 21:18:43	Vall	3221225472
2021-06-11 21:19:04	Vall	ie, 3.2GB. I was trying to use it with a 2GB SD card ;-)
2021-06-11 21:19:17	Vall	Trying again with a 8GB card
2021-06-11 21:43:18	Vall	OK, it worked!
2021-06-11 21:43:40	Vall	Now it does DHCP and accepts SSH connections
2021-06-11 21:43:52	Vall	Password for root@rpi-b:
2021-06-11 21:44:00	Vall	What is the default password?
2021-06-11 21:44:29	Yamazaki1	traditionally the account is pi and the password is raspberry
2021-06-11 21:44:48	Vall	Never mind, found it
2021-06-11 21:44:55	Vall	it's freebsd / freebsd
2021-06-11 21:44:56	Yamazaki1	freebsd/freebsd or root/root
2021-06-11 21:44:59	Yamazaki1	yeah
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2021-06-11 22:49:50	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-11 22:49:52	WiseSon	;)
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2021-06-12 00:02:17	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-12 00:02:19	WiseSon	;)
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2021-06-13 10:51:00	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-13 10:51:03	WiseSon	;)
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2021-06-13 15:44:01	--	Topic for #freebsd is "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-06-13 15:44:01	--	Topic set by Savagedlight on Thu, 27 May 2021 18:21:07
2021-06-13 15:44:01	--	Channel #freebsd: 347 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 345 normals)
2021-06-13 15:44:01	--	PvNotice(ChanServ): see https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC for official information
2021-06-13 15:44:14	--	Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-06-13 18:58:31	isapgswell	hi
2021-06-13 18:59:30	isapgswell	what about a new permission?
2021-06-13 18:59:31	isapgswell	for ex:
2021-06-13 18:59:31	isapgswell	rt-wt-xt
2021-06-13 19:00:10	Aaron	isapgswell, man chmod
2021-06-13 19:00:58	isapgswell	Aaron i would like to disable or enable thread use
2021-06-13 19:01:06	isapgswell	Aaron is that possible?
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2021-06-13 19:01:36	isapgswell	Aaron not system multithread or smp support
2021-06-13 19:01:46	Aaron	isapgswell, just before you IRC
2021-06-13 19:01:53	Aaron	isapgswell, make sure you use something like a VPN
2021-06-13 19:02:23	isapgswell	Aaron why? IRC is dangerous?
2021-06-13 19:03:39	Aaron	very
2021-06-13 19:03:43	Aaron	and scary as well.
2021-06-13 19:08:01	randombit	please elaborate
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2021-06-13 19:10:55	cybercrypto	The use of VPN may be recommended... i understand that... But, why do you say to make sure to use it? Care to explain?
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2021-06-13 19:13:59	randombit	btw i consider using a vpn is just adding another spoofer between you and the "net".
2021-06-13 19:14:48	isapgswell	randombit not always
2021-06-13 19:15:03	isapgswell	randombit android netguard do a local vpn
2021-06-13 19:15:11	isapgswell	randombit search
2021-06-13 19:15:42	randombit	well, i was not specific then. VPN-service.
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2021-06-13 19:21:53	isapgswell	ok
2021-06-13 19:26:40	randombit	but my question regarding why is it "dangerous" without one to use irc still hangs
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2021-06-13 19:28:03	isapgswell	maybe dataleak
2021-06-13 19:28:10	isapgswell	man in the middle attack
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2021-06-13 19:35:32	isapgswell	spying on you
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2021-06-13 19:36:00	isapgswell	logging your net navigating/comunicating
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2021-06-13 19:37:35	antiloopa_	https://dchub.one/temp/Soft/ что бы так было у всех
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2021-06-13 19:49:28	R2COM	guys whats going on with the speed of update/fetch on fbsd? i mean its incredibly SLOW...and I do see various threads online regarding that issue and no real resolution or pointing to a specific reason... im in US and just using pkg.freebsd.org and its like few Kbps
2021-06-13 19:49:49	R2COM	and well its not the first time im observing such issue
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2021-06-13 19:51:00	zi	R2COM: what ip does pkg resolve to for you?
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2021-06-13 19:54:12	R2COM	havent checked, not currently in system
2021-06-13 19:54:31	zi	can you find out, get me a traceroute, etc
2021-06-13 19:54:48	R2COM	alright ill see once i get to the system
2021-06-13 19:54:51	zi	usually it's useful to provide some technical details when you bitch about something ;)
2021-06-13 19:55:05	R2COM	i understand
2021-06-13 19:55:23	R2COM	its just a basic shit which just supposed to work honestly
2021-06-13 19:56:45	zi	well there are multiple mirrors
2021-06-13 19:56:49	zi	you could have a shit isp
2021-06-13 19:57:04	zi	for all i know, you're trying to update over some 1mbit dsl line
2021-06-13 19:57:18	zi	that aside, there's about fuck all anyone can do without any details
2021-06-13 19:57:40	R2COM	lol i got 300mbps download capability with my isp
2021-06-13 19:57:58	zi	im sure you get my point though
2021-06-13 20:06:17	randombit	honestly if someone says something wrong with the download speed i would assume the questioner asked that knowing the limits of the ISB-bandwith.
2021-06-13 20:06:27	randombit	p
2021-06-13 20:07:04	zi	randombit: ok and what would you expect someone to do with 0 information about the mirror
2021-06-13 20:07:33	randombit	its a bit irritating when u ask, what could be the problem, then you got back-questioned whether u are intelligent enough to know if ur internet-subscription is not 1mbit/s
2021-06-13 20:08:07	randombit	zi thats another thing. but you should know that by the fact my comment was about ISP alone
2021-06-13 20:08:47	zi	just because they have 300mbit service to their isp does not mean their isp isnt having a problem with one of their isps
2021-06-13 20:09:01	zi	and jsut because someone pays for 300mbit service does not mean they will get 300mbit service
2021-06-13 20:09:16	randombit	btw im getting slower speeds too. last time it maxed out my bandwith, now its like 1/10. 100kbs or something, sometimes 200.
2021-06-13 20:10:34	zi	are you going to share the mirror ip?
2021-06-13 20:10:39	zi	heh
2021-06-13 20:10:41	randombit	zi, then i have to add to my point, is when someone ask a question like that, i would assume he already checked his bandwith, and asked it bc his question is legitimate
2021-06-13 20:11:24	zi	...
2021-06-13 20:11:25	zi	i give up
2021-06-13 20:11:29	randombit	good.
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2021-06-13 20:15:54	Aaron	so what's going on with the freebsd?
2021-06-13 20:16:03	Aaron	are we uploading where at now?
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2021-06-15 08:56:00	Ner0Zer0	is bsd questions still discussed here or libera ? 
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2021-06-15 09:08:21	Allan	Libera
2021-06-15 09:08:30	Allan	but you can ask
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2021-06-15 17:26:49	<--	zi has kicked antiloopa (Yo momma so ugly they filmed "Gorillas in the Mist" in her shower)
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2021-06-15 17:32:37	tau	zi: you're good to go
2021-06-15 17:36:23	@zi	thanks guys
2021-06-15 17:37:43	@Speakz	you are welcome
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2021-06-15 17:46:17	y2k	welcome! :)
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2021-06-15 21:03:41	Dat	How can a default gateway be automatically deleted?
2021-06-15 21:03:54	Dat	I add it and minutes later poof gone
2021-06-15 21:04:10	@zi	eh, dhcpd messing with it?
2021-06-15 21:04:18	@zi	you didnt use rc.conf?
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2021-06-15 21:05:11	Dat	hrmm dhcp could be messing with it I tried using rc.conf I have two nics two lans and i can't seem to activate the 2nd lan on the 2nd nic :(
2021-06-15 21:05:26	Dat	Seems to work fine if I change the default route
2021-06-15 21:05:41	Dat	even a static route in rc.conf doesn't do the trick with fibs
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2021-06-15 21:08:48	tau	word
2021-06-15 21:09:37	FreeBSD	Lol
2021-06-15 21:09:42	FreeBSD	y2k, congrats
2021-06-15 21:09:49	FreeBSD	Let's see how long is going to last :X
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2021-06-15 21:49:11	Dat	is there a ip rule for freebsd like there is for linux?
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2021-06-15 22:09:56	Iambchop	policy based routing?  ipfw "fwd ipaddr => Change the next-hop on matching packets to ipaddr"; pf "route-to => routes the packet to the specified interface with an optional address for the next hop"
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2021-06-15 23:27:25	Dat	Iambchop thanks
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2021-06-16 10:33:13	Allan	dat: if you are doing a 'service netif restart', it clears the routes, and you need to do 'service routing start' to readd the routes
2021-06-16 10:33:21	Allan	note that each fib has its own routing table
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2021-06-16 13:55:46	haps	Hi, quick zfs question:  I currently have a zpool with a single mirror in it, with disks [a1,a2,a3].  I would like to remove a3 from the mirror, but in such a way that I can 'zpool import -f' it if this machine dies.  Will a `zpool detach poolName a3` leave a3 in that state?  I think in the past what I did was just power off the machine & remove the drive, but I'd like to not do that right now.
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2021-06-16 13:59:07	Allan	haps: sounds like you want `zpool split`, which makes a 2nd pool, containing a3
2021-06-16 14:00:14	Allan	depends on the use case
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2021-06-16 14:02:40	haps	Allan: Thanks, I was looking at that as well.  My use case is: I have a 2-disk mirror, and periodically I bring in a 3rd disk, let it resilver, and remove the "oldest" one.  That way I have an offline copy, and it spreads out the drive wear (like rotating tires, I guess).
2021-06-16 14:03:43	Allan	detach is what you if you want to be able to reattach it
2021-06-16 14:03:50	Allan	you'd have to test to see if you can import it
2021-06-16 14:04:00	haps	I guess if I split the pool and call the new one something else, in the event of some kind of disaster as long as I have my data, the name of the pool doesn't really matter.  And I guess "-R /backup" would make sense too....
2021-06-16 14:05:31	Allan	yeah, and `zpool import poolname newname` lets you rename it
2021-06-16 14:06:00	Allan	but yeah, if you want to reattach and maybe only resolver the difference, then detach/attach makes more sense
2021-06-16 14:06:11	Allan	i am just not 100% you can import, but, i am 90% sure
2021-06-16 14:06:15	Allan	easy enough to test
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2021-06-16 14:06:27	Allan	just plug it into another system and try
2021-06-16 14:08:36	haps	Haha, indeed :-)
2021-06-16 14:09:22	haps	Problem of course is the different versions of zfs floating around. Per oracle: https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gjooc/index.html ""
2021-06-16 14:09:25	haps	Splitting a mirrored pool is optimal when composed of two to three disks, where the last disk in the original pool is used for the newly created pool. Then, you can use the zpool attach command to recreate your original mirrored storage pool or convert your newly created pool into a mirrored storage pool. No way currently exists to create a new mirrored pool from an existing mirrored pool by using this 
2021-06-16 14:09:31	haps	feature.
2021-06-16 14:09:33	haps	Er, sorry that was a bad paste.
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2021-06-16 14:09:58	haps	But the "Then, you can use the zpool attach command ... "
2021-06-16 14:10:42	haps	It's unclear to me if that means, attach a new device to the original pool to bring it back to the previous level of redundancy, or if it means you can attach that split disk.
2021-06-16 14:14:16	haps	And one more quick question if you don't mind: has the state of encrypting pools changed at all?  Currently I'm encrypting at the drive level, using geli, but it strikes me as odd to be encrypting blocks independently for each device.  Before zfs I would have a gmirror of devices, and geli the mirror.
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2021-06-16 14:40:27	Allan	doing it separately can be more useful sometimes, but, yeah. Although you want ZFS to manage the mirroring etc
2021-06-16 14:40:59	Allan	so, with 13.0 you can use zfs filesystem encryption. it doesn't encrypt everything, only files/names in the datasets you enable encryption for
2021-06-16 14:43:10	Allan	and the boot loader doesn't support it
2021-06-16 14:43:22	Allan	but, you can say, encrypt only your homedirectory, instead of everything
2021-06-16 14:43:28	Allan	and encrypt each homedir with a different key
2021-06-16 14:43:35	Allan	and load/unload the keys as needed
2021-06-16 14:43:56	Allan	zfs can still scrub/resilver without the keys
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2021-06-16 15:06:11	haps	That's very good to know!
2021-06-16 15:06:51	haps	And I found some of the notes I made, I forgot about the offline prior to detach :-]  Straight up detach kills the zfs metadata.
2021-06-16 15:07:14	haps	Clearly I don't rotate disks often enough. :-)
2021-06-16 15:09:42	haps	Although, as a backup strategy, I'm starting to think '-R /backup -o readonly' makes a lot of sense.
2021-06-16 15:09:48	haps	er, for split.
2021-06-16 15:11:51	haps	Looks like the relnotes links are dead: https://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/
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2021-06-17 12:24:43	Aaron	!google search freebsd podcast en
2021-06-17 12:24:44	BSD	Aaron: Best Freebsd Podcasts (2021) - Player FM: <https://player.fm/podcasts/Freebsd>; BSD Now: <https://www.bsdnow.tv/>; Episodes Archive - BSD Now: <https://www.bsdnow.tv/episodes>
2021-06-17 12:25:11	Aaron	zi, you allow bsd?
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2021-06-17 12:26:59	Allan	I did not know that Rubenerd had a podcast
2021-06-17 12:27:24	Aaron	now you know ;X
2021-06-17 12:28:32	Aaron	Allan, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/freebsd/id1503197346
2021-06-17 12:28:33	Aaron	mines
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2021-06-17 12:42:58	dan1	Hi guys, I'm having some issues with wifi... I have set up wpa_supplicant according to all the instructions, and the conf file is correct. Also ifconfig wlan0 scan does indeed work, but there is still no route to host... any ideas?
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2021-06-17 13:27:59	Allan	dan1: well, once you are associated, you still need to get an ip, are you running dhclient on the interface?
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2021-06-17 13:29:22	Aaron	dan1, do sudo service netif restart
2021-06-17 13:29:28	Aaron	and it will restart the network interface
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2021-06-17 13:45:36	Allan	note that will leave you without a route in many cases
2021-06-17 13:45:58	Allan	also need `service routing start`, although dhclient should do the right thing when it re-initializes
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2021-06-17 14:07:29	dan1	Allan: thanks for your reply :) Sadly, it doesnt work. I have dhcliented it, netif and routing (re)started, but to no avail...
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2021-06-17 14:08:12	dan1	If it perhaps trying to use the ethernet, even though the wireless is set up maybe..?
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2021-06-17 14:08:17	dan1	*Is*
2021-06-17 14:09:16	Allan	depends on your ifconfig output
2021-06-17 14:09:17	Allan	but
2021-06-17 14:09:24	Allan	if 'ifconfig wlan0 scan' works, then no, it knows it is wifi
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2021-06-17 14:12:30	dan1	Allan: yes, ifconfig wlan0 scan, works, thats what I find confusing...
2021-06-17 14:14:54	Allan	if you just do 'ifconfig wlan0'
2021-06-17 14:14:59	Allan	it should show if it is associated or not
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2021-06-17 14:15:27	dan1	Allan: status: associated
2021-06-17 14:15:46	Allan	with the SSID you want?
2021-06-17 14:15:52	Allan	does it have an ip address?
2021-06-17 14:16:03	dan1	Yes
2021-06-17 14:16:28	dan1	I get an ip as well, but there is no net all the same, no pinging and no browsing... it's confusing...
2021-06-17 14:16:56	dan1	the router does work with ethernet though, and wirelessly with other pc's...
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2021-06-17 14:18:58	dan1	this couldn't be a weird firmware issue with the wireless card could it? (iwn8265fw)
2021-06-17 14:19:14	dan1	no, *iwm* I mean.
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2021-06-17 14:34:53	dan1	diagnostics: https://pastebin.com/cQWGHcfw
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2021-06-17 14:45:02	Allan	netstat -rn
2021-06-17 14:45:05	Allan	is your rc.conf empty?
2021-06-17 14:45:43	Allan	the conflicting subnet on em0 might not be helping
2021-06-17 14:45:59	Allan	since it is down, you might try removing the ip: ifconfig em0 inet 10.0.0.4 -alias
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2021-06-17 14:50:05	dan1	woops, forgot to add rc.conf: new diagnostics (rc.conf and netstat -rn): https://pastebin.com/H7nRVFCZ
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2021-06-17 14:57:39	Allan	yeah, so the default route is going via em0, which is down
2021-06-17 14:58:16	dan1	Allan: Aha!
2021-06-17 14:58:20	Allan	try: route change default 10.0.0.138
2021-06-17 14:58:28	Allan	and see if it changes in the netstat -rn output to wlan0
2021-06-17 14:58:29	Allan	instead of em0
2021-06-17 14:59:17	dan1	change net default: gateway 10.0.0.138 fib 0: not in table
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2021-06-17 15:15:01	dan1	Allan: I removed the ifconfig_em0= line from my /etc/rc.conf, that fixed the issue! Thanks for your support :D
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2021-06-17 21:49:29	Cyberpower678	Well with Freenode having wiped everything out now, accounts, channels, and cloaks, I'm outta here.  See you guys on Libera.Chat
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2021-06-18 05:38:01	lel	lmao this is amazing
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