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2021-05-12 22:21:49	adamik	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33WuGp6fs3s
2021-05-12 22:21:54	adamik	your prosperity awaits you
2021-05-12 22:22:11	ahungry	I don't think AWS is cheap - a $20/month linode is cheap.  AWS has the potential to save $20/month, at the risk of costing tens of thousands a month
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2021-05-12 22:23:10	ayecee	yeah people lining up around the block to host their business on linode
2021-05-12 22:23:12	warsoul	if i add a user in my server how can i see how much process is he running?
2021-05-12 22:24:31	[R]	warsoul: ps
2021-05-12 22:24:33	ahungry	AWS has much better marketing than AWS.  Many people tend to drink the AWS kool-aid after they host a massive reinvent yearly.  Obviously for huge businesses, where they spend millions yearly in dev salary, AWS is not a risk if it hits $20,000/month in bills.  For 99% of business/personal users, linode is a 50G ssd and 4GB ram - thats close to a t2.medium on aws and cheaper
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2021-05-12 22:24:55	ahungry	errr, s/better marketing than aws/better marketing than linode/
2021-05-12 22:24:55	mlu	ahungry: yeah, I agree there, I'm just saying: even though you can easily do 3x lower-cost than Amazon, it is still cheap in the grand scheme of things
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2021-05-12 22:25:13	Blondie101010	warsoul:  you'd need to monitor for it, but a simple way to check is with `top` which can sort by owner
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2021-05-12 22:25:46	mlu	you have to consider level of support, time to development, etc.
2021-05-12 22:26:02	warsoul	anybody wants to join me?
2021-05-12 22:26:02	ayecee	ahungry: kind of a naive way of looking at it. AWS ties a lot of infrastructure together, and it's easy to lose sight of that if you're thinking about it one VM at a time.
2021-05-12 22:26:02	warsoul	lol
2021-05-12 22:26:09	Blondie101010	tracking CPU usage by user is not a simple task
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2021-05-12 22:26:33	mlu	warsoul: it's funny: a process used to be a billing mechanism for sharing a machine
2021-05-12 22:26:58	ayecee	warsoul: there is a thing called "process accounting" that can do that, it's just not used very often.
2021-05-12 22:27:01	mlu	warsoul: https://dsf.berkeley.edu/cs262/unix.pdf :)
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2021-05-12 22:29:11	warsoul	mlu reading tomorrow
2021-05-12 22:29:15	warsoul	thanks
2021-05-12 22:29:29	mlu	it's a fun factoid but practically useless today
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2021-05-12 22:31:00	adamik	wait til tomorrow attitude and useless pdfs
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2021-05-12 22:31:26	ayecee	if you procrastinate on reading useless pdfs, you can save yourself a lot of time
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2021-05-12 22:32:10	adamik	right now theyre just there
2021-05-12 22:32:13	adamik	we shall see
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2021-05-12 22:34:31	kingsley	What's a good IRC channel for Linux system administrators? At least at the moment, I'm curious about debugging a failed backup to a DVD.
2021-05-12 22:35:22	Blondie101010	it would probably be better if you just gave the software you used and the error you're getting
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2021-05-12 22:35:45	ayecee	maybe a channel specific to the backup software you're using
2021-05-12 22:35:56	ayecee	failing that, a channel where people are using the same software you are
2021-05-12 22:36:10	warsoul	ayecee, mlu what distro you guys use?
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2021-05-12 22:36:34	ayecee	whichever one is installed
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2021-05-12 22:36:44	mlu	warsoul: the distro I use personaly would not be the distro I use to run VMs
2021-05-12 22:36:44	ayecee	i'm not fancy
2021-05-12 22:36:52	mlu	warsoul: but yeah, any reasonable distro is fine
2021-05-12 22:37:02	warsoul	no im asking personaly
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2021-05-12 22:37:12	Blondie101010	it depends what you use it for
2021-05-12 22:37:12	warsoul	* personally
2021-05-12 22:37:13	[R]	ayecee: do i already know?
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2021-05-12 22:38:06	ayecee	know what
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2021-05-12 22:38:36	[R]	🎶 i'm so fancy... you already know...
2021-05-12 22:38:47	ayecee	ah
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2021-05-12 22:40:51	 *	akoana uses ubian, debuntu, ardora, ferch, sujaro, manse...
2021-05-12 22:41:01	Prestige	:o
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2021-05-12 22:43:08	remline	Just built a kernel module. Trying to insert it with insmod reveals the following in dmesg: "module: x86/modules: Skipping invalid relocation target, existing value is nonzero for type 1, loc 000000001584a808, val ffffffffc0ea410d". Yikes! What does it mean?
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2021-05-12 22:43:48	[R]	remline: was the kernel config used to build the module the exact same one that was used to build the kernel?
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2021-05-12 22:45:27	ayecee	does the insmod succeed?
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2021-05-12 22:46:02	mlu	remline: it means something gone horribly wrong and that module probably keel your system
2021-05-12 22:46:16	adamik	ayecee is just too good to participate in distro signaling
2021-05-12 22:46:25	remline	[R]: Good question. The answer is, "mostly". I used "make oldconfig" to start, but then turned off CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO.
2021-05-12 22:46:49	[R]	remline: well start with idetnical
2021-05-12 22:46:53	[R]	then work you way to "mostly"
2021-05-12 22:46:56	remline	(For some reason Ubuntu has CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO=y in their build config...)
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2021-05-12 22:47:10	ayecee	that came up in "make oldconfig"?
2021-05-12 22:47:24	remline	ayecee: No, the insmod failed.
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2021-05-12 22:47:31	ayecee	remline: with what error
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2021-05-12 22:48:08	remline	ayecee: insmod: ERROR: could not insert module radeon.ko: Invalid module format
2021-05-12 22:48:30	ayecee	remline: are there any other lines in dmesg output from the same time period
2021-05-12 22:48:53	remline	[R]: Reverting to identical config seems like a good idea. I will note that this method has worked in the past, but perhaps I am making a second mistake.
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2021-05-12 22:49:40	remline	ayecee: No, the "invalid relocation target" message is the sole message tied to my insmod attempts.
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2021-05-12 22:50:18	ayecee	i see
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2021-05-12 22:52:40	ayecee	search hits on the message seem to be tied to kernel header version mismatch or toolchain version mismatch
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2021-05-12 22:53:42	remline	ayecee: Yeah, I saw a few of those, too. Doesn't seem to be the case, but looks can be deceiving...
2021-05-12 22:54:15	Blondie101010	so all points to rebuilding the whole kernel
2021-05-12 22:55:36	ayecee	one way to test the mismatch idea, i guess
2021-05-12 22:56:08	remline	I am rebuilding after a fresh "make oldconfig". We shall see.
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2021-05-12 22:58:10	remline	[R]: I rebuilt with a matching kernel config, but got the same error.
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2021-05-12 22:59:06	remline	I do note this, however: diff /boot/config-5.11.0-17-generic .config. < CONFIG_PAHOLE_HAS_SPLIT_BTF=y < CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF_MODULES=y
2021-05-12 22:59:30	[R]	then theres a mismatch
2021-05-12 22:59:35	remline	Evidently "make oldconfig" results in that slight difference from the boot config... ?
2021-05-12 22:59:40	[R]	sure the source is identical?
2021-05-12 23:00:11	ayecee	remline: only if the kernel source you're using doesn't match the kernel source the config came from
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2021-05-12 23:05:55	Blondie101010	remline:  boot the new kernel
2021-05-12 23:05:58	remline	[R], ayecee : All I know is that Ubuntu's linux-image and linux-source packages both claim version 5.11.0-17.18. Not sure if I can verify more than that.
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2021-05-12 23:06:53	ayecee	remline: what does uname -a report
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2021-05-12 23:08:36	remline	ayecee: $ uname -a Linux remline 5.11.0-17-generic #18-Ubuntu SMP Thu May 6 20:10:11 UTC 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
2021-05-12 23:09:06	ayecee	huh, seems like it should match
2021-05-12 23:09:37	remline	I'm rebuilding with the BTF delta removed.
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2021-05-12 23:11:17	remline	For what it is worth, attempting to use a module built againt kernel 5.8 gives the much more sensible error, "disagrees about version of symbol module_layout"
2021-05-12 23:11:34	ayecee	makes sense
2021-05-12 23:14:05	remline	Tweaking BTF did not impact the binary of the .ko, so same error
2021-05-12 23:14:29	TJ-	remline: small suggestion, possibly not the cause of your issue, but "make olddefconfig" is generally a better option
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2021-05-12 23:19:20	remline	Thanks, TJ-, I'll try it.
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2021-05-12 23:25:43	TJ-	remline: is there a reason you're not using "modprobe"? that'll satisfy dependencies whereas insmod doesn't
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2021-05-12 23:28:21	remline	TJ-: I had tried modprobe as well, with the same dmesg error
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2021-05-12 23:29:08	remline	[R], ayecee, TJ-, thank you all for the great help. I'll fight this again tomorrow. :)
2021-05-12 23:29:14	TJ-	remline: ok, so most like not a dependency issue, but more likely a genuine mismatch in module format
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2021-05-12 23:30:02	TJ-	remline: did you check the precise error in the kernel log?
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2021-05-13 00:09:52	warsoul	terminal when i open is opening in the upper left of the monitor
2021-05-13 00:09:57	warsoul	i want it to open in the middle
2021-05-13 00:10:04	warsoul	how i set that?
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2021-05-13 00:11:30	Prestige	which terminal?
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2021-05-13 00:13:02	Prestige	can check if the man page shows a way to open it at certain screen coords (or geom)
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2021-05-13 00:15:56	Prestige	man 7 x then search for -geometry
2021-05-13 00:16:13	Prestige	it shows some examples like xclock -geometry 48x48-0+0
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2021-05-13 00:19:47	Prestige	warsoul: ^ got it?
2021-05-13 00:20:12	warsoul	yep
2021-05-13 00:20:14	warsoul	let me check
2021-05-13 00:20:17	warsoul	thx
2021-05-13 00:20:23	warsoul	Prestige
2021-05-13 00:20:29	Prestige	You're welcome
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2021-05-13 00:28:39	HAFEEZ	HI
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2021-05-13 00:31:30	kingsley	May I please have the benefit of informed thoughts on a nice, useful and reliable utility that a system administrator might use to glean the specifications of an installed DVD drive, and ideally, the info on DVD in it?
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2021-05-13 00:38:04	gry	hi kingsley, what information about the dvd would you like to see, for example? amount of space in use, free space? list of files on it? or something else?
2021-05-13 00:38:11	gry	hi HAFEEZ
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2021-05-13 00:40:07	kingsley	gry: hi gry: Thanks for asking. Yes, at least space in use on the DVD and free. But more info may be better.
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2021-05-13 00:41:34	Abbott	I am trying to download the ostree tree from the flatpak provided here: https://www.xytime.xyz/flatpaks/ttr/index.html
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2021-05-13 00:42:09	kingsley	gry: As a point of reference, when I examine a DVD labeled 4.7 GB with the "df -h" command, it reports 17 MB in use and no free space, which looks wrong to me.
2021-05-13 00:42:49	Abbott	I did `ostree --repo=repo init` then `ostree --repo=repo remote add origin "https://www.xytime.xyz/flatpaks/repo" --no-gpg-verify` and then `ostree --repo=repo pull --mirror origin`
2021-05-13 00:43:04	Abbott	but I am getting: error: opcode open-splice-and-close: opcode close: fchown: Operation not permitted
2021-05-13 00:43:28	Abbott	the ostree docs say they were heavily inspired by git but I am finding it very difficult to do an analogous 'git clone'
2021-05-13 00:44:01	Abbott	Does anyone have experience with ostree? I just want to download the most recent files lol
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2021-05-13 00:51:13	loganlee	Hi
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2021-05-13 01:06:01	gry	kingsley: what does  'cd-drive' command say? it is in libcdio-utils package on debian and libcdio on fedora
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2021-05-13 01:16:19	unixbsd	# disklabel sd0 | nc termbin.com 9999    ==>   https://termbin.com/cez40
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2021-05-13 01:21:56	kingsley	gry: I did as you suggested, and tried 'cd-drive'. It reported many technical specifications of the DVD drive, but not capacity info. That's the bad news. The good news? cd-drive's man page mentions a similar utility called 'cd-info'. It with its '--dvd' option may have yielded more info. Specifically, a 'Track List', which says '968 MB raw, 843 MB formatted' They're no where near the DVD's labeled 4.7 GB capacity, but their sum is curious
2021-05-13 01:21:57	kingsley	ly close to the size of another DVD that I was using the utility called 'xorriso' to 'add' files to, but which now fails with 'Cannot format medium, incompatible medium.' at 1.8 GB.
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2021-05-13 01:37:27	gry	kingsley: is it music? music files have some unusual file system, they occupy less space than their actual size
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2021-05-13 03:02:20	hkm	i was looking over POSIX scripts in /usr/bin and none of the ones I checked had any functions. Is there a reason for that? I must have checked like 10 or more.
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2021-05-13 03:02:39	hkm	They all had a very simple top to bottom approach
2021-05-13 03:02:59	lopid	i wouldn't look for posix scripts in a linux distro
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2021-05-13 03:04:15	hkm	not sure what you mean, they were interpreted by sh and according to file, they are POSIX scripts
2021-05-13 03:04:26	hkm	file the utility
2021-05-13 03:04:44	lopid	are you looking for an example of a posix compatible script that uses a function?
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2021-05-13 03:05:25	hkm	lopid, partly. I was actually looking for scripts written according to best practice
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2021-05-13 03:07:04	jim	if the author of the script wants to try to factor his code, a function is one mechanism that can help with that... it's optional though
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2021-05-13 03:07:45	lopid	all the "sh" scripts i've seen, especially those written by distro maintainers, absolutely do not conform to the posix standard. recommend reading https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/idx/shell.html instead
2021-05-13 03:08:02	hkm	thank you lopid and jim
2021-05-13 03:08:08	lopid	and making use of shellcheck, if you're writing your own
2021-05-13 03:08:45	jim	yeah, what has you curious about those scripts?
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2021-05-13 03:10:53	hkm	jim, nothing really. I'm fairly new to the UNIX world and wanted to get started with writing more professional scripts that are reliable and can be used in a production environment.
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2021-05-13 03:16:40	jim	hkm, refactoring your code is a pretty good way to organize your code, even if you never use the functions twice... that also helps with documentation. additionally, choosing meaningful names for your functions and variables, will help when it comes to try to read and understand your code 6 min^W months in the future
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2021-05-13 03:17:11	jim	also
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2021-05-13 03:19:37	jim	I guess it's a matter of personal preference, and while a shell script can effectively make a repetitive task easier and less error-prone, there are other languages that are much better (easier to use, easier to read, easier to maintain), such as perl, python and lua
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2021-05-13 03:19:56	hkm	great points made jim :)
2021-05-13 03:20:24	hackinghorn	hi, how do I grep my dir output
2021-05-13 03:20:33	jim	there's an old book called "Refactoring" that lists refactoring techniques
2021-05-13 03:20:42	hackinghorn	I mean ls
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2021-05-13 03:21:00	hackinghorn	oh ls | grep
2021-05-13 03:21:05	jim	hackinghorn, ls | grep ....
2021-05-13 03:21:19	hackinghorn	ha thats what I do
2021-05-13 03:21:24	jim	having said that,
2021-05-13 03:21:25	miskatonic	some people prefer find over ls for processing in pipes
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2021-05-13 03:22:06	jim	some people say it's not a good idea to parse ls (which grep kinda does)
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2021-05-13 03:23:31	hackinghorn	hmm, I'm running another command, "go build ... | grep ..." but it doesnt show the thing I want to grep, it just prints everything like there is no "| grep ..."
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2021-05-13 03:24:21	hkm	look into the -x flag hackinghorn, use regex maybe?
2021-05-13 03:25:08	hackinghorn	hmm it doesnt work
2021-05-13 03:25:59	hackinghorn	maybe this command is weird
2021-05-13 03:26:30	hkm	i think you need to give more information hackinghorn. what's the full command and search string?
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2021-05-13 03:26:54	hackinghorn	its golang
2021-05-13 03:27:04	bradd	hackinghorn: go 2>&1 | grep xxx ??
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2021-05-13 03:29:04	hackinghorn	bradd, 1 simple hello.go file, "go build -a -x -work hello.go | grep hello"
2021-05-13 03:29:15	hackinghorn	its supposed to print lines with "hello" only?
2021-05-13 03:29:30	hkm	quick question, which one is better practice: eval echo "$dir" or eval "echo \"$dir\""
2021-05-13 03:30:15	hackinghorn	actually, "go | grep ..." also doesnt grep what you want, it just prints everything :/
2021-05-13 03:30:37	bradd	try putting that 2>&1 before the pipe
2021-05-13 03:30:49	hackinghorn	oh that might be right
2021-05-13 03:31:09	hkm	why the redirection? bradd
2021-05-13 03:31:15	hackinghorn	bradd, wah wah thats good, thankss
2021-05-13 03:31:51	bradd	hkm, go probably outputs to standard error whilst grep works on standard output
2021-05-13 03:32:03	hkm	ah i see
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2021-05-13 03:33:23	hackinghorn	wah thanks, it works now, you're a god bradd
2021-05-13 03:33:55	bradd	woohoo! I have reached god status
2021-05-13 03:34:29	hackinghorn	yayy!
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2021-05-13 03:40:52	hkm	jim, do you know where I could submit my code for peer review? just want some feedback
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2021-05-13 03:43:22	hackinghorn	if your boss approve, its all good
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2021-05-13 03:43:39	hackinghorn	ask him to peer review :P
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2021-05-13 03:44:14	ycon_	hi folks, how woudl I get cut -d "=" -f2- <<< "$your_str" to return a falsy value if "=" doesn't exist?
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2021-05-13 03:45:45	hkm	[ -z $(cut -d "=" -f2- <<< "$your_str") ] && echo "doesn't exist"
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2021-05-13 03:46:26	hkm	put quotes around $( ) actually
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2021-05-13 03:47:16	ycon_	hkm: hmm that might be a little verbose
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2021-05-13 03:47:47	ycon_	What I'm trying to do is this compare two arrays, echo ${SPLIT_THIS_BY_SYMBOL_FIRST} ${ALLOWED_SCRIPTS} | tr ' ' '\n' | sort | uniq -u
2021-05-13 03:49:32	ycon_	What i'm trying to do, is check that all the arguments passed in are value. Arguments come in like _APP_NAME_CAN_BE_ANYTHING_:RESTRICTED_VALUES
2021-05-13 03:49:54	hkm	not sure ycon, sorry
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2021-05-13 03:50:32	ycon_	no worries hkm. Is there a way I can loop through my array and just remove everything after a certain symbol (return a new array)?
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2021-05-13 03:50:36	hkm	can't you use a for loop to loop over ${arr[@]} and then check one by one if they contain '='?
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2021-05-13 03:51:20	hkm	declare an array: declare -a arr; add new element: arr+="$str"
2021-05-13 03:51:29	hkm	then break; when you need to
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2021-05-13 03:54:34	ycon_	hkm: something like this? https://dpaste.org/5CEJ
2021-05-13 03:54:47	ycon_	How do I get a value from your example (eg $(cut -d ":" -f2- <<< "$v") )
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2021-05-13 03:58:54	ycon_	Hmm cut -d ":" -f2- <<< "foo:123" will always return a value, even when ":" doesn't appear in the string. How can I get it to show nothing if : doesn't exist?
2021-05-13 03:59:07	hkm	i made a mistake earlier, i apologize, 1 sec
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2021-05-13 04:00:20	hkm	 if [ -z "$(echo $v | cut -d ':' -f 2)" ]; then
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2021-05-13 04:02:38	hkm	do you want it to return false if there's a ':' in the string?
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2021-05-13 04:06:44	hkm	if echo "$v" | grep -q ':'; then echo has colon; fi
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2021-05-13 05:27:50	hafeez	What are the conditions to engage with freenode network
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2021-05-13 05:29:20	swarfega	why are you asking under another nick?
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2021-05-13 05:32:14	hafeez	none of your business
2021-05-13 05:32:25	swarfega	how rude
2021-05-13 05:32:57	hafeez	You are an intrusive person
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2021-05-13 05:33:03	swarfega	your offensive
2021-05-13 05:33:18	CommunistWolf	you're*
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2021-05-13 05:47:26	unixbsd	I mounted my fs squashfs ino /mnt. How to tell the kernel that the /mnt will be rootfs (/)   passed by (initramfs) command line?
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2021-05-13 05:49:25	unixbsd	I am at initramfs and I need to pass command that /mnt will be the rootfs ("/") how to do that?    (my initrd: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/devuan-live/-/blob/master/v3/initrd8.img.gz  for info).
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2021-05-13 05:52:14	Wulf	Hello. How can I convert a grayscale image to 24-bit (RGB) png using "convert"?
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2021-05-13 05:56:31	GNU\colossus	Wulf, have you tried   convert <sourceimage> -depth 24 <destimage>.<destformat>
2021-05-13 05:56:47	GNU\colossus	(destformat has to support 24bit depth for this to work, of course)
2021-05-13 05:56:53	GNU\colossus	ah, you are talking PNG :)
2021-05-13 05:57:08	Wulf	GNU\colossus: yes, tried.
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2021-05-13 06:01:10	GNU\colossus	Wulf, with GraphicsMagic (should be compatible to IM), this works:   gm convert <sourceimage> -depth 24 PNG24:/tmp/test.png
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2021-05-13 06:02:38	Wulf	gm? Thanks, will take a look
2021-05-13 06:03:01	GNU\colossus	just drop the `gm` from the command line and see if it works for you :)
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2021-05-13 06:26:52	odirf	Hello!
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2021-05-13 06:27:11	ODIRF	Anyone here?
2021-05-13 06:27:22	ODIRF	:(
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2021-05-13 06:28:39	miskatonic	no, we are awol
2021-05-13 06:28:50	gry	Hello, ODIRF. :(
2021-05-13 06:28:52	 *	gry nods
2021-05-13 06:28:54	ODIRF	Hello. :D
2021-05-13 06:28:58	gry	:-)
2021-05-13 06:29:04	ODIRF	😃️
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2021-05-13 06:29:29	ODIRF	Which linux distribution you use currently?
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2021-05-13 06:29:45	miskatonic	Antix
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2021-05-13 06:32:52	ODIRF	Nice
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2021-05-13 06:32:55	ODIRF	I use Manjaro GNOME.
2021-05-13 06:33:00	ODIRF	And I like it!
2021-05-13 06:33:10	swarfega	manjaro kde here
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2021-05-13 06:37:16	ODIRF	I don't like KDE.
2021-05-13 06:37:39	ODIRF	But Manjaro is fine.
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2021-05-13 06:40:03	SuperSeriousCat	Gentoo KDE here. Thinking of moving to Xfce
2021-05-13 06:41:19	miskatonic	I do not like any DE
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2021-05-13 06:43:46	arash	Hello, can someone suggest a tutorial for writing a bash script ?
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2021-05-13 06:43:51	miskatonic	gentoo with kde requires compiling the whole of KDE when installing? must take some time on older machines
2021-05-13 06:44:04	ODIRF	arash: Are you german?
2021-05-13 06:44:14	arash	ODIRF: No
2021-05-13 06:44:53	ODIRF	https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bash+scripting+tutorial+for+beginners
2021-05-13 06:44:56	SuperSeriousCat	miskatonic, you can cherry pick what you want from KDE. I dont have any KDE apps I dont use installed
2021-05-13 06:45:04	jim	arash, howbout greycat's guides?
2021-05-13 06:45:16	ODIRF	arash: Maybe this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7BufAVwDiM
2021-05-13 06:45:48	SuperSeriousCat	But yeah, a recent CPU helps when using the distro. Not a problem for anything other than Chromium imo
2021-05-13 06:46:00	SuperSeriousCat	And it got a -bin
2021-05-13 06:46:01	jim	arash, you should also consider choosing and learning a non-shell scripting language
2021-05-13 06:47:02	miskatonic	python is easy
2021-05-13 06:47:08	ODIRF	miskatonic: Why?
2021-05-13 06:47:17	rj1	linux is awesome!
2021-05-13 06:47:35	miskatonic	there are lots of examples and documentation for scripting in python
2021-05-13 06:47:52	arash	jim: I know php, I want to code a shell script to remove mp3 files based on last modification date on a specific folder
2021-05-13 06:48:34	jim	you should think about using find for that
2021-05-13 06:49:26	jim	if you want to compare the dates to see if they're earlier or later than some date, that could work
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2021-05-13 06:49:47	Urchin[emacs]	I'm using ratpoison as the window manager
2021-05-13 06:50:03	Urchin[emacs]	and haven't used a DE in over a decade
2021-05-13 06:50:12	miskatonic	ratpoison here, too
2021-05-13 06:50:14	jim	rj1, and it's gotten more and more awesome since aug 1991 :)
2021-05-13 06:50:26	Urchin[emacs]	cool
2021-05-13 06:50:51	Urchin[emacs]	I'm on Debian
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2021-05-13 06:51:44	Khaytsus	jim: I kind of feel sorry for the old school Unix folks, say, BSDi...  You know they never sold another license once Linux hit.
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2021-05-13 06:53:30	arash	jim: yes, that is exactly what i wanted to do, remove files in a folder created older than 24 hours
2021-05-13 06:54:28	Khaytsus	arash: WHich is exceptionally googlable.
2021-05-13 06:54:29	jim	you should look into find, it has date comparison operators
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2021-05-13 06:54:53	arash	jim: thank you
2021-05-13 06:54:53	jim	and I think it can do hours as well
2021-05-13 06:55:02	Khaytsus	The most complicated thing about find:  remembering the -exec {}\; stuff
2021-05-13 06:55:08	miskatonic	find has some other coolities useful for usage in scripts
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2021-05-13 06:56:24	jim	well you should learn how it works, and test it on printing rather than deleting
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2021-05-13 06:56:41	Khaytsus	Always.
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2021-05-13 06:57:06	Khaytsus	And besides, -delete isn't available in all cases so
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2021-05-13 07:01:50	jjakob	if I have a chain.pem with several certificates, how would I extract just the last one?
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2021-05-13 07:02:27	Khaytsus	How do you know you want the "last one" ?
2021-05-13 07:02:33	jjakob	I was thinking of somehow searching from the last line back, looking for a BEGIN CERTIFICATE line, then printing everything from that line to the end
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2021-05-13 07:02:57	Khaytsus	There are a bunch of "split pem file" google results ;)
2021-05-13 07:03:00	jjakob	letsencrypt's chain.pem always has all the intermediates, the last one is the topmost one
2021-05-13 07:03:23	jjakob	and I need to find the topmost's issuer hash
2021-05-13 07:04:21	jjakob	yeah, phrasing my search with "split pem" instead of "find last certificate" finds some useful results
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2021-05-13 07:09:27	Khaytsus	Dang, that reminds me I had to rebuild a vm and I Just realized I likely didn't set up certbot
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2021-05-13 07:10:42	Sunny93	I just tried tmux and it's good. But with screen, screen -r provides auto completion for screen names, but tmux attach -t doesn't
2021-05-13 07:11:12	Sunny93	Any tips?
2021-05-13 07:11:27	Khaytsus	Yeah:  Stop obsessing over silly stuff.
2021-05-13 07:11:56	Khaytsus	Anywho, that's just whatever "completion" script in your shell, not related to tmux.
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2021-05-13 07:12:42	Sunny93	Ok good
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2021-05-13 07:18:12	jjakob	Khaytsus: I'm considering using acme.sh instead
2021-05-13 07:20:41	GNU\colossus	certbot does too much for my tastes. I like acme-tiny and dehydrated instead.
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2021-05-13 07:21:33	Khaytsus	jjakob: Use whatever you like?
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2021-05-13 07:21:54	jjakob	sure, just saying
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2021-05-13 07:29:14	Sunny93	lol
2021-05-13 07:29:36	Sunny93	I thought you just being mean to me only
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2021-05-13 07:34:07	Khaytsus	I'm equally hostile to lazy users
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2021-05-13 07:34:50	arkalpha	Sunny93: you can program in the completion with your shell i believe
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2021-05-13 07:35:22	arkalpha	man zshcompctl
2021-05-13 07:35:42	djph	Khaytsus: don't think you needed to add "lazy" :)
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2021-05-13 07:36:12	jim	Khaytsus, maybe you're not a good fit for this channel
2021-05-13 07:36:17	--	Mode ##linux [+o jim] by ChanServ
2021-05-13 07:36:38	@jim	one thing I'll tell you RIGHT NOW, is I do NOT tolerate hostility.
2021-05-13 07:36:42	@jim	got it?
2021-05-13 07:36:45	Khaytsus	It's a joke son, a joke.  jfc...
2021-05-13 07:36:55	@jim	'I
2021-05-13 07:37:12	Khaytsus	You tolerate trolls all day, but I make a joke and you get uptight.
2021-05-13 07:37:16	@jim	I've watched your behavior, which confirms a hostile streak
2021-05-13 07:37:21	djph	hi jim
2021-05-13 07:37:25	@jim	hi
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2021-05-13 07:38:23	jim	O
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2021-05-13 07:39:29	wereii	ehuh, anyone tried copying ntfs to ntfs on linux? was thinking I would just rsync it but quick search says it's not good idea
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2021-05-13 07:39:47	unixbsd	a little question
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2021-05-13 07:40:35	unixbsd	into initramfs at boot, mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mnt;   exec switch_root /mnt /sbin/init    ===> give KERNEL Panic in debian, why?
2021-05-13 07:41:05	rascul	there's a message in the panic output that tells why
2021-05-13 07:41:45	triceratux	youre a panic output
2021-05-13 07:41:55	bernard__	morning
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2021-05-13 07:42:52	blues	hi
2021-05-13 07:42:57	jim	hi
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2021-05-13 07:43:11	blues	i think irssi is working now
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2021-05-13 07:43:33	jim	what was the problem before?
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2021-05-13 07:44:53	unixbsd	triceratux: if no one knows at ##linux, then, no one will never know anywhere.
2021-05-13 07:45:11	blues	actuallly i am total noob and forgot to switch window with alt+num to identify with nickserv, then realised nickserv opens up in another window
2021-05-13 07:45:17	unixbsd	my PID is empty
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2021-05-13 07:47:03	jim	blues, ahh, so youre coming to understand a new situation?
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2021-05-13 07:47:35	blues	yes, i am starting out on the journey to understand linux
2021-05-13 07:47:53	jim	unixbsd, not necessarily... we don't know everything
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2021-05-13 07:48:42	unixbsd	/sbin/init is nothing exceptional, we all should not to chroot at initramfs
2021-05-13 07:48:47	unixbsd	*know
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2021-05-13 07:49:35	jim	blues, are you interested in automating often-needed processes?
2021-05-13 07:49:56	jim	or, what exactly are you insterested in?
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2021-05-13 07:50:48	blues	actually i am just learning whatever i can ( i am just intrested in computers)
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2021-05-13 07:51:17	jim	ok... how do you like it so far?
2021-05-13 07:51:38	blues	its very interesting and i like it very much
2021-05-13 07:52:07	jim	cool :) which dist did you install?
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2021-05-13 07:53:00	blues	i have tried out all flavours except gentoo but i have mastered none
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2021-05-13 07:53:30	jim	oh ok
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2021-05-13 07:54:02	jim	would you like to learn to write programs?
2021-05-13 07:54:05	blues	for now i think i will stay on something stable and study linux inside vm
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2021-05-13 07:54:38	jim	what os is hosting the vms?
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2021-05-13 07:54:52	blues	its elementary os
2021-05-13 07:55:08	jim	ok
2021-05-13 07:55:25	jim	is that arch based? or what is that based on?
2021-05-13 07:55:34	ODIRF	No
2021-05-13 07:55:38	blues	its based on ubuntu 18.04
2021-05-13 07:55:40	ODIRF	It's based on Ubuntu.
2021-05-13 07:55:45	jim	oh ok
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2021-05-13 07:55:55	ODIRF	And that's bad
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2021-05-13 07:56:16	swarfega	why would it be based on something quite old
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2021-05-13 07:56:22	blues	actually i have an arch instance in my vm and currently understanding window manager
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2021-05-13 07:56:40	blues	its based on something old to be stable in my opinion
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2021-05-13 07:57:09	swarfega	isnt that a security risk tho
2021-05-13 07:57:55	blues	well yes i might move on to something latest but i actually like the ui so i am sticking with it
2021-05-13 07:58:11	swarfega	what DE do they use
2021-05-13 07:58:26	blues	it uses pantheon
2021-05-13 07:58:39	swarfega	not familiar with that one
2021-05-13 07:59:04	unixbsd	it shal be done with pivot_root . mnt.. anyone knows?
2021-05-13 07:59:08	SuperSeriousCat	Elementary OS 6 will be based on 20.04
2021-05-13 07:59:13	blues	yeah its main aim is to just look good but its fairly light compared to gnome
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2021-05-13 07:59:57	blues	i am looking forward to elementary os 6 but i think on moving to arch beacuse of pacman and yay
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2021-05-13 08:00:04	SuperSeriousCat	As long as they backport, being based on something older is not much of an security issue. More of a hazzle/chore for the devs
2021-05-13 08:00:58	blues	i think i am able to hide all join part ctcp msgs
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2021-05-13 08:01:09	blues	irc is good
2021-05-13 08:01:18	swarfega	:D
2021-05-13 08:01:26	swarfega	one of the oldest protocols
2021-05-13 08:02:12	blues	i really wish to improve my english so i can understand at once whats written in the documentation
2021-05-13 08:02:14	SuperSeriousCat	And still used on moderm services/sites :D It is a nice protocol
2021-05-13 08:02:26	swarfega	blues consider joining ##english
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2021-05-13 08:02:48	blues	thanks i will join now
2021-05-13 08:02:51	unixbsd	cd /mnt ; pivot_root  .  /   <--is not allowed right?
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2021-05-13 08:03:43	unixbsd	device busy ... /
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2021-05-13 08:04:35	jim	blues, what language do you normally speak?
2021-05-13 08:04:57	SuperSeriousCat	unixbsd, /mnt cant be empty. Got to be chrootable IIRC
2021-05-13 08:05:24	blues	jim its an asian language
2021-05-13 08:05:35	jim	oh ok
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2021-05-13 08:06:19	jim	maybe the docs are translated into the language you speak?
2021-05-13 08:06:32	akik	blues: your english is fine :)
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2021-05-13 08:06:56	jim	yeah, I can understand what you're saying
2021-05-13 08:07:13	blues	akik: i can converse ok here but with the man pages and docs i get lost fairly quick
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2021-05-13 08:07:16	unixbsd	sure... mount /dev/sda2 /mnt ; umount /proc ; cd /mnt; mkdir old-root ; pivot_root . old-root
2021-05-13 08:07:30	unixbsd	this above does not work, pivot root does not want.
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2021-05-13 08:07:43	cadmio	Hello
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2021-05-13 08:07:52	cadmio	I'd like the two rows of matrices to be aligned https://bpa.st/LFAA
2021-05-13 08:07:53	jim	hi
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2021-05-13 08:09:43	jim	blues, out of curiousity, what's your math background like?
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2021-05-13 08:10:10	cadmio	middle
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2021-05-13 08:11:21	jim	cadmio, would they look more aligned if the columns were aligned?
2021-05-13 08:12:22	cadmio	I'm not sure, I see the 2nd row shifted to the right
2021-05-13 08:12:39	unixbsd	pivot_root tells invalid argument:
2021-05-13 08:13:07	unixbsd	sure... umount /proc ; mount -t ext3 /dev/sda2 /mnt ; cd /mnt; mkdir old-root ; /sbin/pivot_root . old-root
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2021-05-13 08:13:34	blues	jim: i am currently reading second year of highschool maths
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2021-05-13 08:13:59	jim	so algebra/geom/trig/precalc?
2021-05-13 08:14:03	BluesKaj	Howdy all
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2021-05-13 08:14:18	blues	jim: yes, i have test this week too
2021-05-13 08:14:21	jim	hi blues :) (note, there's another blues here)
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2021-05-13 08:14:54	blues	ironically blues are now common
2021-05-13 08:15:13	jim	blues, what do you normally do with your computer?
2021-05-13 08:15:59	blues	jim: learning cpp, linux, doing classes and browsing internet
2021-05-13 08:16:05	BluesKaj	hi jim, my pc is a basic HTPC mostly
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2021-05-13 08:16:32	unixbsd	ok, we must overmount in initramfs , no other way
2021-05-13 08:16:36	jim	c++?!
2021-05-13 08:16:47	unixbsd	so then: cd /mnt ; mount --move . /
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2021-05-13 08:17:00	unixbsd	chroot .
2021-05-13 08:17:02	blues	yes c++, i usually write it cpp
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2021-05-13 08:17:46	BluesKaj	oops ...
2021-05-13 08:17:51	blues	i think no one learns c++ nowa days right ?
2021-05-13 08:17:52	jim	well linux has a c++ compiler, are you learning how to write makefiles?
2021-05-13 08:18:19	jim	well some like it, some don't
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2021-05-13 08:18:49	blues	well i havent wrote a makefile yet, i have just written simple programs in cpp, compiled it and run the compiled binary like the a.out files
2021-05-13 08:18:52	unixbsd	and .. nope ... then Ã:   exec /sbin/init 1     <--- gives kernel panic. some help
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2021-05-13 08:19:59	jim	blues, ok, do your teachers say you can use any c++ compiler?
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2021-05-13 08:20:23	swarfega	is gcc c?
2021-05-13 08:20:36	blues	actually my teachers don't teach computer i am just learning it out of curiosity
2021-05-13 08:20:45	jim	swarfega, gcc has a few languages
2021-05-13 08:20:48	swarfega	ah
2021-05-13 08:20:50	jim	oh I see
2021-05-13 08:20:52	Dan39	BOOM from the blues
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2021-05-13 08:21:17	Dan39	oh, i mean, good morning all
2021-05-13 08:21:30	jim	swarfega, originally, gcc had C, C++ and objective-C
2021-05-13 08:21:38	blues	and i have tried out g++ and clang++ but i could not find the differnece probably beacuse i havent wrote anything complex yet
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2021-05-13 08:21:43	swarfega	ah so it understands multiple languages
2021-05-13 08:22:08	Dan39	blues: g++ is gcc :P
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2021-05-13 08:22:37	jim	swarfega, yes, because the gcc source builds at least those languages... I think now, also pascal and ada
2021-05-13 08:22:47	swarfega	cool
2021-05-13 08:22:54	swarfega	used to do pascal back in the day
2021-05-13 08:22:59	blues	Dan39: wow i had thought g++ is different, cause i had to use different command, thanks
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2021-05-13 08:24:05	jim	blues, ok, and so you're already learning to write programs
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2021-05-13 08:24:38	Dan39	blues: and clang++ is LLVM
2021-05-13 08:24:40	blues	yea probably but i am scratching the surface
2021-05-13 08:24:51	gry	S/but/and/
2021-05-13 08:24:55	gry	:)
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2021-05-13 08:25:44	blues	i am thinking of studying open source project to learn good coding style
2021-05-13 08:25:51	gry	I liked two things with C: the code::blocks ide, and the 'gnustep' platform for desktop apps.
2021-05-13 08:26:14	Dan39	people still use gnustep?
2021-05-13 08:26:16	jim	blues, go to github.com, lots and lots of projects there
2021-05-13 08:26:17	gry	Two elegant masterpieces.
2021-05-13 08:26:21	ncuxo	When installing linux on automatic with disk encryption and by default you get luks-89c66b8c-94f1-4eac-a5fd-111157d5ecdc is there a way to change that? So far I've change it in /etc/crypttab and /etc/default/grub then I rebuild the grub.cfg but on boot I still fail to boot. Is there another place I need to look into?
2021-05-13 08:27:10	jim	ncuxo, what do you want to do? not encrypt?
2021-05-13 08:29:01	jim	blues, would you like to also learn a scripting language? (python is pretty easy)
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2021-05-13 08:29:35	blues	jim: i have wrote hello world in python and that is all
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2021-05-13 08:29:57	jim	blues, want more?
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2021-05-13 08:30:39	blues	btw my priority rn understand how to remain private on irc, but i would love to learn good python
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2021-05-13 08:31:14	jim	here's a pretty good video for the basics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHxoh9Rrtdk
2021-05-13 08:31:40	jim	here's a pretty good book: http://greenteapress.com/thinkpython2/html/index.html
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2021-05-13 08:32:10	blues	should i learn python3 or python2 ?
2021-05-13 08:32:14	rascul	3
2021-05-13 08:32:21	jim	definitely 3
2021-05-13 08:32:21	sheep	3. 2 is officially dead
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2021-05-13 08:32:41	ncuxo	jim: I want to change the name to something readable
2021-05-13 08:32:50	jim	it's not that different
2021-05-13 08:33:16	jim	ncuxo, but you want to keep it encrypted?
2021-05-13 08:33:23	ncuxo	sure
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2021-05-13 08:33:57	jim	blues, one thing... that video is kinda slowwww
2021-05-13 08:34:12	jim	maybe you'd like it that way
2021-05-13 08:34:46	jim	ncuxo, how long ago did you install it?
2021-05-13 08:34:51	blues	i would break it in parts and add it to my tasks
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2021-05-13 08:35:40	ncuxo	jim: the test system an hour ago
2021-05-13 08:35:49	ncuxo	the system I want to implement 6 months
2021-05-13 08:35:55	jim	it's 11 hours, and the first half hour is administrivia, followed by the first python example, you guessed it, a hello world
2021-05-13 08:36:52	jim	ncuxo, did it let you name that thing when you installed?
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2021-05-13 08:37:02	gartt	Is there a way to "detect" opening a file? For example, I want to add something to my .bashrc file to intercept access to any .xyz123 file suffix so that I can do an operation upon accessing it. For example, in a web server root dir, when a particular filetype is accessed by a user, it reverses the text of a plaintext file before that file reaches the user. Is there such a capability?
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2021-05-13 08:38:24	akik	gartt: maybe inotify. are you accessing the file yourself or how?
2021-05-13 08:38:25	ncuxo	jim no I have luks and on top LVM Thin Provisioned
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2021-05-13 08:38:44	gypsymauro	hi
2021-05-13 08:38:49	jim	hi
2021-05-13 08:38:53	minimal22	hello there
2021-05-13 08:38:59	blues	bye i have some important chores
2021-05-13 08:39:05	minimal22	what is a chore
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2021-05-13 08:39:23	ncuxo	I'll reset my internet. I'll be back in a second
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2021-05-13 08:39:25	akik	gartt: look up inotifywait
2021-05-13 08:39:32	gartt	akik: Well, originally I thought I'd access myself, but then I realized that I want to cover access by other applications - such as an httpd like apache/nginx to serve the file
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2021-05-13 08:39:39	jim	minimal22, a task to do
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2021-05-13 08:39:54	djph	minimal22: usually small jobs around the house to give kids (e.g. "take out the trash" or "do the dishes")
2021-05-13 08:40:10	gypsymauro	I've a vmware guest that is a debian linux, it's a clone of another linux machine that works perfectly, but on the clone there are some strange behaviuour, for example at login motd is very slow, then if try to use bash completion hangs.. dmesg or syslog doesn't show nothing helpfull, any hint on how to diagnose this?
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2021-05-13 08:40:13	minimal22	how cute
2021-05-13 08:40:25	gartt	akik: Thanks, do you think inotifywait would fit that bill?
2021-05-13 08:40:32	unixbsd	here my barebone init.c :...  http://termbin.com/pd6m0
2021-05-13 08:40:38	rascul	inotifywait won't let you modify the data before it's read
2021-05-13 08:40:41	akik	gartt: could be. i don't use it myself
2021-05-13 08:40:45	gypsymauro	i suppose is a network problem but I dunno how to debug
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2021-05-13 08:41:29	jim	gypsymauro, is there a box that shows you activity by blinking a light?
2021-05-13 08:41:36	rascul	you're probably going to need to do some kernel or libc hacking if you want to intercept a read() and provide different data than what the file has
2021-05-13 08:41:42	gartt	akik: If I were to perform a particular command to a file of that particular file suffix, I imagine I could put something in .bashrc to do the job, but with other applications accessing the file, I guess it complicates things
2021-05-13 08:42:16	gartt	akik: Thanks for the help and I'll read up on inotifywait
2021-05-13 08:42:23	gypsymauro	jim: what do u mean
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2021-05-13 08:42:43	rascul	inotify just notifies you of when certain events take place it does not allow you to intercept a read() call
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2021-05-13 08:43:11	rascul	if the files are accessed over http then you need a web application of some type to read and modify the data before serving it
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2021-05-13 08:43:39	COVID-1984	anyone use amdgpu and know much about DRI_PRIME?
2021-05-13 08:43:41	jim	gypsymauro, like a router or a DSL modem, or an ethernet switch, that has lights that blink when packets go bay
2021-05-13 08:43:44	akik	rascul: so it can't be used to see when a file is opened?
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2021-05-13 08:43:45	jim	by
2021-05-13 08:43:54	COVID-1984	What's the difference between setting it as a kernel flag and setting it after startx Xorg
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2021-05-13 08:44:05	rascul	akik it can be used to see but the stated goal was to modify the data before the application gets it and inotify won't help with that
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2021-05-13 08:45:06	akik	rascul: i'm not following. why is that a problem?
2021-05-13 08:45:11	gartt	rascul: Ah, I see, thanks also
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2021-05-13 08:45:25	rascul	akik because inotify doesn't have a mechanism to intercept a read() call
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2021-05-13 08:45:40	gypsymauro	jim: it's a virtual machine, btw when I ping on network it works without loosing packages
2021-05-13 08:46:07	akik	rascul: but he can write a script to do stuff when inotify notifies him?
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2021-05-13 08:46:21	rascul	sure but you just implemented a race condition that your script will lose every time
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2021-05-13 08:46:26	ncuxo	so jim any ideas?
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2021-05-13 08:46:40	rascul	there's no way to interject that script inbetween the time read() is called and the time read() returns data
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2021-05-13 08:47:06	dTal	if the winner is predetermined it's not really a race condition is it
2021-05-13 08:47:13	rascul	i guess not
2021-05-13 08:47:14	jim	ncuxo, I was trying to gather info, in case someone else knows :)
2021-05-13 08:47:32	rascul	but people still raced against usain bolt
2021-05-13 08:47:35	sheep	inotify_add_watch can monitor access events but there's no way to change the file's data before the read completes
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2021-05-13 08:48:08	gartt	akik, rascul: That's very good info - I've had that question in the back of my mind for *quite* a while, so it's fantastic to fill in the blanks finally
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2021-05-13 08:48:40	rascul	might be you can write your own read() and LD_PRELOAD it though
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2021-05-13 08:49:02	rascul	or something like that, been awhile since i done that sort of stuff
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2021-05-13 08:49:37	gartt	So I'd be better off having the httpd run some sort of script in order to read the file which does the transformation rather than trying to detect "access" in a generic way and take some type of action before the app reads the later transformed file
2021-05-13 08:49:42	rascul	yes
2021-05-13 08:49:57	gartt	Perfect, that's exactly what I was looking for
2021-05-13 08:50:18	gartt	Well it isn't, but that's exactly the answer to my question I was seeking
2021-05-13 08:50:20	rascul	that will only work when the file is accessed over http though
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2021-05-13 08:50:45	gartt	rascul: Of any application that knows to run that script before reading the file
2021-05-13 08:50:55	gartt	Or*
2021-05-13 08:51:10	Foxfir3	popos. Cant get hdmi port to work. Cant find any PopOS support chan. Any tips?
2021-05-13 08:51:24	Foxfir3	x260/intel
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2021-05-13 08:52:48	gartt	rascul: Err - why would it only work on http access? You mean just due to the httpd knowing to call that script before serving a file of .xyz filetype?
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2021-05-13 08:57:22	rascul	gartt right
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2021-05-13 08:57:49	rascul	httpd isn't going to run the script if the file is accessed directly or via ftp or some other mechanism
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2021-05-13 09:00:04	gartt	rascul: I understand you, thanks
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2021-05-13 09:05:46	DPA	Is there any way to just connect 2 sockets, such that I don't have to copy the data between them manually and get no overhead?
2021-05-13 09:05:47	DPA	For example, let's say I make a socks proxy. After the handshake, I connect to somewhere else, and just copy the data between the sockets unchanged.
2021-05-13 09:05:47	DPA	I don't need the sockets for anything else after that. Is there any way to tell the kernel to take over the copying, and pretend to user space that the connected sockets have been closed or something like that?
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2021-05-13 09:09:20	Aryan	Hi, how can I `du -sh` only my files that precedes with '.'? like .cache
2021-05-13 09:10:16	jim	so only the hidden files and dirs
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2021-05-13 09:10:26	Aryan	jim, yes, exactly.
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2021-05-13 09:10:52	ad__	anyone use here LFS ? foes it have sense except than for educational purposes ?
2021-05-13 09:11:01	jim	if it's a directory, du will count everything (not just .files) in that dir
2021-05-13 09:11:28	jim	I think maybe you want something without -s
2021-05-13 09:11:28	Aryan	jim, I know. it's ok.
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2021-05-13 09:12:36	jim	ad__, if you're trying to build your own distribution, for example
2021-05-13 09:13:00	Urchin[emacs]	ad__: given that you don't have a clear purpose in mind, probably doesn't make sense at all
2021-05-13 09:13:16	Urchin[emacs]	distributions tend to be built out of other distributions anyway
2021-05-13 09:13:21	Urchin[emacs]	with rare exceptions
2021-05-13 09:14:26	jim	and lfs is educational for those parts, like booting, and putting together a mechanism for starting all the programs that will be living in the background
2021-05-13 09:15:01	jim	because you
2021-05-13 09:15:13	jim	'will be learning stuff, pretty much by force :)
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2021-05-13 09:15:54	borisrunak	trying to install https://github.com/MagicStack/asyncpg on Ubuntu 20.04 on an rpi, I get https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5j9YVDtn5k/ . Any ideas please ?
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2021-05-13 09:28:46	DPA	Aryan: Only in the current directory, or recursivly? For the former, in bash:
2021-05-13 09:28:46	DPA	set extglob; du -hs .?[^.]* | tee size.log
2021-05-13 09:28:46	DPA	cut -f 1 size.log | numfmt --from=si | sed 's/$/\+\\/;$a0' | bc | numfmt --to=si
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2021-05-13 09:36:04	HaJones	I will build graphviz from source. For it to work with the application it should be built with libexpat. what does "build with libexpat" mean?
2021-05-13 09:37:17	flandish	I believe that the lib is avail when it comes time be needed
2021-05-13 09:37:34	ananke	HaJones: look at the manual for graphviz, likely you'll need to pass appropriate flags to configure
2021-05-13 09:37:49	ananke	and yes, libexpat would need to be available
2021-05-13 09:37:52	flandish	^--- this
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2021-05-13 09:38:53	amuro	Hi I have a little program I downloaded from the internet, which directory should I copy it to?
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2021-05-13 09:39:20	amuro	Should I put it in /bin or /usr/bin ?
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2021-05-13 09:39:32	iflema	take your pick
2021-05-13 09:39:36	minimal22	linux is hard
2021-05-13 09:39:41	oxek	amuro: probably /usr/local/bin/ if you want it available to all users on the system
2021-05-13 09:39:44	iflema	put it in .config
2021-05-13 09:40:04	jim	amuro, well whichever you want... but are you sure you trust this program?
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2021-05-13 09:40:14	amuro	oxek: thanks
2021-05-13 09:40:24	slimefoot	amuro: /bin nowadays is usually a symlink to /usr/bin anyway - but unpackaged/custom stuff should go into /usr/local/bin - or some place within your home directory if it's only for your own user
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2021-05-13 09:40:47	ananke	amuro: ~/bin is a good choice
2021-05-13 09:41:05	flandish	amuro: I use ~/bin for stuff only I want to use, if I will use it from command line, etc.
2021-05-13 09:41:14	slimefoot	I personally prefer ~/.local/bin - but you're mostly free to choose - it's your home, after all :-)
2021-05-13 09:41:28	slimefoot	(just make sure it's listed in your $PATH)
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2021-05-13 09:41:38	oxek	yeah, $HOME/.local/bin/ is preferable as well
2021-05-13 09:41:40	ananke	~/bin is commonly found in $PATH
2021-05-13 09:41:41	amuro	I guess I will put it in /usr/local/bin
2021-05-13 09:41:45	amuro	thanks all.
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2021-05-13 09:47:42	HaMsTeRs	Hello everyone! I'm running KDE.  When I tries to make a VPN connection to a Fortigate FW with network manager, I gets an error message "Missing VPN Plugin"
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2021-05-13 09:48:18	lopid	it's a package that you must install
2021-05-13 09:48:21	HaMsTeRs	Hello everyone! I'm running KDE.  When I tries to make a VPN connection to a Fortigate FW with network manager, I gets an error message "Missing VPN Plugin".  Seem no answer from any forum.  I also installed the networkmanager-openvn package
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2021-05-13 09:49:21	lopid	did you restart nm?
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2021-05-13 09:49:35	lopid	the service
2021-05-13 09:49:38	spctr	or at least logout/login
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2021-05-13 09:49:54	lopid	no, the service
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2021-05-13 09:50:25	HaMsTeRs	i restarted my entire system
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2021-05-13 09:50:40	HaMsTeRs	what service?
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2021-05-13 09:50:56	lopid	network manager, though it hardly matters now
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2021-05-13 09:51:58	HaMsTeRs	hm... :( seem not much info in google
2021-05-13 09:52:00	lopid	are you trying to use openvpn or wireguard?
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2021-05-13 09:52:32	HaMsTeRs	fortigate ssl vpn
2021-05-13 09:52:42	j5v1	how do i change my dns server?
2021-05-13 09:52:55	lopid	maybe this helps: https://www.ovpn.com/en/guides/ubuntu-gui
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2021-05-13 09:53:10	j5v1	i tried modifying systemd settings, but i dont see any of the changes in /etc/resolv.conf
2021-05-13 09:53:23	lopid	easy, you… oh, systemd
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2021-05-13 09:54:44	j5v1	i should just be able to modify the resolved.conf and restart the service, but it doesnt seem to work
2021-05-13 09:54:49	j5v1	any ideas?
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2021-05-13 09:57:16	HaMsTeRs	j5v1: is that the network manager overwrite your resolv.conf?
2021-05-13 09:58:15	j5v1	nothing seems to be writing to resolv.conf, i thought when i restarted resolved it would update the resolv.conf, but it doesnt seem to do anything
2021-05-13 09:59:53	HaMsTeRs	how did you setup your network connection setting?   inside DE?  nmtui?
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2021-05-13 10:00:49	j5v1	i set them up using the network manager
2021-05-13 10:01:00	j5v1	so the default configuration should be whatever dhcp gave me
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2021-05-13 10:10:31	HaMsTeRs	j5v1: KDE or GNOME or ?
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2021-05-13 10:12:48	velix	Damn, I lost $1000 because of the bitcoin crash :D
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2021-05-13 10:13:09	velix	wrong channel, sorry
2021-05-13 10:13:19	j5v1	HaMsTeRs, GNOME, im on debian
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2021-05-13 10:13:49	velix	I've never used a GUI on linux. Only ncurses.
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2021-05-13 10:14:03	velix	The question KDE vs. GNOME vs. vs vs. is too complicated to solve.
2021-05-13 10:14:18	velix	So I'm on pure shell only and use Windows as a GUI
2021-05-13 10:14:39	seven_three	I cant setup my external monitor with xrandr. "X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)". Here is what I tried: http://dpaste.com/ANPTMTZGY
2021-05-13 10:16:03	HaMsTeRs	j5v1: did you try to setup something like this in the network manager?   Obtain IP address from DHCP server, Manually configure DNS serivce provider
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2021-05-13 10:26:21	MrNaz	is there a reason that the dd command still defaults to an unusably small blocksize? sirely over the years someone would have thought that 512k is a better default size?
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2021-05-13 10:27:41	jim	MrNaz, does dd let you set that in a variable?
2021-05-13 10:27:44	kfrench	MrNaz: Because people have existing scripts that assume the current defaults.  If the default were to change, those scripts die.
2021-05-13 10:28:06	MrNaz	jim yes it's very easy, but i always forget and remember 5 minutes in
2021-05-13 10:28:15	MrNaz	yes, i'm aware i have nobody to blame for that but myself
2021-05-13 10:28:46	jim	well if yuou can set a variable, you could do that somewhere like .bashrc
2021-05-13 10:28:50	MrNaz	kfrench i guess that makes sense, although will that still be the case in 5 years? 10? 20? at some point progress has to trump legacy code protection
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2021-05-13 10:29:18	kfrench	Some scripts hang around for a long long time.
2021-05-13 10:29:21	oxek	MrNaz: work around it by creating a `dd` shell function that has better defaults
2021-05-13 10:29:23	kfrench	If it works, then why change.
2021-05-13 10:29:31	jim	trump was a baaaad president
2021-05-13 10:29:44	MrNaz	yea... i guess this is a non-issue
2021-05-13 10:30:07	MrNaz	i'm muslim so i don't drink wine... so i whine on irc instead
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2021-05-13 10:30:44	jim	kfrench, is it possible to write an alias for dd, that is influenced by some vars?
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2021-05-13 10:31:04	RayTracer	seven_three: I'm no longer used to modelines, but are you sure your displays can do 100hz?
2021-05-13 10:31:05	kfrench	dd is just a command like anything else.  It can be aliased.
2021-05-13 10:31:35	kfrench	You could turn dd into a shell function that was smarter than a simple alias.
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2021-05-13 10:31:46	oxek	I am altering the command, pray I don't alter it any further.
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2021-05-13 10:32:28	MrNaz	kfrench yes i didn't think of using bashrc or something to alias myself around my forgetfulness
2021-05-13 10:32:30	koollman	yeah, in general if you want to 'influence' some stuff, alias are too limited, shell functions are the way to go
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2021-05-13 10:32:52	MrNaz	i already have ls aliased to ls -lash
2021-05-13 10:33:48	ananke	not to mention, there are other dd implementations that default to larger block size
2021-05-13 10:34:55	oxek	ananke: oh really?
2021-05-13 10:35:01	oxek	on linux?
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2021-05-13 10:36:30	ananke	oxek: yes. multiple ones. ddrescue, dd_rescue, 0 active sessions in progress
2021-05-13 10:36:40	ananke	argh, accidental paste
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2021-05-13 10:36:48	ananke	dcfldd
2021-05-13 10:37:09	oxek	oh that, I know of ddrescue, never heard of the other thing though
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2021-05-13 10:48:19	HaJones	ananke, thanks
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2021-05-13 10:54:21	cadmio	Hello
2021-05-13 10:54:29	cadmio	I need to align the 2nd row to the 1st https://bpa.st/LFAA
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2021-05-13 10:59:31	lopid	what second row?
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2021-05-13 11:00:35	cadmio	the 2nd row of matrices
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2021-05-13 11:05:36	oxek	of the software with notable installation numbers, which one has the highest version number?
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2021-05-13 11:07:02	bernard__	MrNaz: salam alaikum
2021-05-13 11:07:03	oxek	e.g. firefox is 88, chrome is 90, gnome is 40, ...
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2021-05-13 11:07:12	oxek	MrNaz: happy end of ramadan
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2021-05-13 11:08:18	MrNaz	hey wow thanks guys :)
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2021-05-13 11:10:09	modin	oxek: systemd is 248
2021-05-13 11:10:21	oxek	modin: nice
2021-05-13 11:10:24	oxek	anything higher?
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2021-05-13 11:12:43	modin	you've intellij at 2021.1 but that probably doesn't count :D
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2021-05-13 11:12:44	crazybit	I have multiple btrfs RAIDs, all were added using btrfs device add /dev/XXX - all healthy - they are mounted using UUIDs - if I move the disks around (so they change physical paths), will that have a negative effect on the RAID setup? ie. if /dev/sda becomes /dev/sde?
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2021-05-13 11:14:13	oxek	modin: yeah, feels like year numbers would be a cheat
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2021-05-13 11:14:48	crazybit	"btrfs filesystem show" shows devid using physical paths, but the "RAID" as using uuid
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2021-05-13 11:15:50	b33pb00p	I've had far less issues with mounting drives if i use uuid vs path.
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2021-05-13 11:16:44	RayTracer	oxek: xterm
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2021-05-13 11:17:16	RayTracer	oxek: xterm is version 350 here
2021-05-13 11:17:41	oxek	367, nice
2021-05-13 11:17:46	oxek	let's find higher stuff
2021-05-13 11:18:15	 *	jim looks on the ceiling
2021-05-13 11:18:30	oxek	I'm sure someone looks in the mirror
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2021-05-13 11:18:51	jim	nothing higher than the ceiling
2021-05-13 11:19:00	jim	oh, forgot about the roof
2021-05-13 11:19:08	oxek	and the moon
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2021-05-13 11:19:38	MrNaz	well that escalated quickly
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2021-05-13 11:19:44	jim	the moonroof!
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2021-05-13 11:19:49	MrNaz	get it? escalated? yes, i'm a Dad.
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2021-05-13 11:52:15	HaJones	I would like to put the content of a text file to the copy register. is this possible with a command?
2021-05-13 11:52:38	sumthing1980	hello is there a tool or service you know used for stress testing a website? free preferably
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2021-05-13 11:54:21	RayTracer	sumthing1980: ab (apache bench)
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2021-05-13 11:54:59	arkalpha	gatling
2021-05-13 11:55:05	arkalpha	 is another
2021-05-13 11:55:14	arkalpha	jmeter
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2021-05-13 11:55:29	RayTracer	HaJones: xclip maybe
2021-05-13 11:55:52	sumthing1980	for these you gotta run it on your own computer yes?
2021-05-13 11:55:54	arkalpha	sumthing1980: oh and another one called siege
2021-05-13 11:55:59	arkalpha	was my fav
2021-05-13 11:56:03	arkalpha	forgot name
2021-05-13 11:56:05	bernard__	sumthing1980: you could run it from anywhere
2021-05-13 11:56:20	bernard__	beware of the resources that you use
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2021-05-13 11:56:31	bernard__	like somewhere you are allowed to run it
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2021-05-13 12:03:20	gtlsgamr	hey
2021-05-13 12:04:09	HaJones	RayTracer, thanks for the tip :)
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2021-05-13 12:06:13	kindlehl	I like linux
2021-05-13 12:06:22	kfrench	I like turtles.
2021-05-13 12:06:36	jim	I like blue turtles
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2021-05-13 12:07:39	superkuh	Like turtles? https://www.youtube.com/user/fishboy242/videos
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2021-05-13 12:09:04	kindlehl	I saw a turtle close-up the first time last week on a walk
2021-05-13 12:09:06	simoneb_	I like Linux and turtles, but can anybody advise why my system is not showing my LVM volumes anymore after I "fixed" the partition with parted?
2021-05-13 12:09:09	kfrench	superkuh: https://giphy.com/gifs/arrowvideo-gamera-turtle-power-vs-guiron-UpDzyyBkjHyqkQkyhI
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2021-05-13 12:09:48	RayTracer	simoneb_: maybe because of the quotes around "fixed"? ;)
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2021-05-13 12:10:35	simoneb_	well that seemed like an innocent question from parted: "Warning: Not all of the space available to /dev/sda appears to be used, you can fix the GPT to use all of the space (an extra 41943040 blocks) or continue with the current setting? Fix/Ignore?" (I just typed F)
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2021-05-13 12:11:46	simoneb_	(this was after resizing the device in VMware, that's why it complains about not using all the space available etc.etc.)
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2021-05-13 12:13:19	RayTracer	maybe you have the old layout in the scroll buffer and can undo the "fix", or at least see where the lvm pv started and maybe create a new partition entry with that offset (or whatever comes out as real fix when the situation is understood)
2021-05-13 12:13:37	kfrench	simoneb_: I'm old school.  Back in my day, disks didn't change in size.  So I always just add a new disk to a VM when it needs more space.  LVM handles that just fine.  Shrinking is right out.
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2021-05-13 12:14:22	gtlsgamr	wassup
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2021-05-13 12:16:21	gtlsgamr	DO any of you use commenting engines?
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2021-05-13 12:17:45	gtlsgamr	what
2021-05-13 12:17:46	akik	# is what i use
2021-05-13 12:18:00	gtlsgamr	# is that a commenting engine?
2021-05-13 12:18:10	brejela	What is a commenting engine.
2021-05-13 12:18:19	akik	sure in my meaning of a commenting engine
2021-05-13 12:18:32	brejela	Is it when I turn on my car it says it needs to go to the mechanic?
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2021-05-13 12:18:49	gtlsgamr	Commenting engines provide a way to display comments on static websites.
2021-05-13 12:19:05	jim	gtlsgamr, yep I see your messages
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2021-05-13 12:19:48	jim	so, looks like it's all working
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2021-05-13 12:20:09	Aryan	is it recommended to install win10 on qemu-kvm?
2021-05-13 12:20:19	Aryan	rather than vbox.
2021-05-13 12:20:29	jim	anyway have fun; I need to leave for a bit
2021-05-13 12:20:35	gtlsgamr	Alrighty jim
2021-05-13 12:22:29	Aryan	you guys use qemu-kvm?
2021-05-13 12:22:42	brejela	Aryan, No. You're the first.
2021-05-13 12:22:47	msiism	gtlsgamr: So, that "commenting engine" would then be the part rendering your static site non-static, right?
2021-05-13 12:23:22	akik	Aryan: i use qemu-system-x86_64
2021-05-13 12:23:45	Aryan	brejela, I'm not comfortable with it.
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2021-05-13 12:24:23	ananke	gtlsgamr: you may be better off asking that question in #your_web_framework_of_choice
2021-05-13 12:24:24	brejela	Aryan, I'm not gonna ask you to tell what's wrong with it.
2021-05-13 12:24:48	Aryan	i used to do work with vagrant+vbox, it had anything I wanted.
2021-05-13 12:25:08	ayecee	cool story bro
2021-05-13 12:25:14	Aryan	brejela, I didn't want you to.
2021-05-13 12:25:22	kindlehl	vagrant is good
2021-05-13 12:25:26	kindlehl	linux is good
2021-05-13 12:25:32	akik	Aryan: do you have a qemu issue?
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2021-05-13 12:25:36	kindlehl	vagrant+linux is the breakfast of champions
2021-05-13 12:25:39	ayecee	but you know what's really awesome? pog.
2021-05-13 12:25:45	gtlsgamr	msiism: Yes exactly.
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2021-05-13 12:26:14	gtlsgamr	Okay not sure if it is against the rules, but are we allowed to share our projects for people to see here?
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2021-05-13 12:26:38	ayecee	gtlsgamr: there's no rule that forbids that in particular
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2021-05-13 12:27:17	Aryan	akik, yes. 1. there is no shared folder with a win10 guest machine.
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2021-05-13 12:27:46	Aryan	2. the implementation and modifying stuff is hard for me.
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2021-05-13 12:28:11	ayecee	Aryan: akik was asking if you needed some sort of help with it, not for a list of complaints about it.
2021-05-13 12:28:24	ananke	Aryan: so sounds like you have a solution that works for you
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2021-05-13 12:29:06	Aryan	it's quite normal, cause I moved from something easy [vagrant] to qemu-kvm/libvirt.
2021-05-13 12:29:23	ayecee	those don't do the same thing
2021-05-13 12:29:38	akik	Aryan: looks like -virtfs can do it
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2021-05-13 12:31:25	akik	Aryan: https://wiki.qemu.org/Documentation/9psetup
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2021-05-13 12:33:53	RayTracer	9p was really slow the last time I tried it.. but you can also use eg. smb
2021-05-13 12:34:06	Aryan	akik, thanks.
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2021-05-13 12:35:17	Aryan	I mean the downside is you can't implement stuff without documentation.
2021-05-13 12:35:31	gtlsgamr	%F blink check %F
2021-05-13 12:35:37	gtlsgamr	nope doesnt work
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2021-05-13 12:36:11	gtlsgamr	old
2021-05-13 12:36:21	gtlsgamr	flashing
2021-05-13 12:36:26	gtlsgamr	ahh nice
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2021-05-13 12:37:46	arknet	hi all. I am trying to see the true size in a directory when I am listing, but even I am running ls -lsh my files/folder sizes still shoes 4.0k
2021-05-13 12:38:01	ayecee	what should it show instead
2021-05-13 12:38:10	arknet	hi ayecee
2021-05-13 12:38:15	arknet	the true size
2021-05-13 12:38:25	ayecee	what is the true size
2021-05-13 12:38:30	tscopp	I'm sure this isn't the answer you're looking for but https://github.com/bootandy/dust is my go to
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2021-05-13 12:39:06	msiism	arknet: You're probably looking for `du -sh`.
2021-05-13 12:39:07	arknet	tscopp: that is a way
2021-05-13 12:39:18	arknet	but i was looking more for using ls
2021-05-13 12:39:27	arknet	and the sizes are all stort fo sizes
2021-05-13 12:39:31	jennifer	Hey guys, "tar cfv file file.tar" to create an archive without compressing it right? If a compressed file is corrupted, it's irretrievable but if an archive file corrupts, it's still retrievable? Most of it anyway?
2021-05-13 12:39:36	ayecee	not really getting what you're after
2021-05-13 12:40:08	ayecee	jennifer: no, and no, respectively
2021-05-13 12:40:12	msiism	arknet: By "true size" you mean the size of all the files in that directory combined, don't you?
2021-05-13 12:40:19	arknet	yes
2021-05-13 12:40:36	jennifer	Yikes, what do I do then?
2021-05-13 12:40:45	msiism	arknet: That's not the "true size", but I get what you mean. ;)
2021-05-13 12:40:48	ayecee	that depends a lot on what you want to get done
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2021-05-13 12:41:04	jennifer	I thought archiving means I can treat it as one file instead of say, 100,000 files, sort of like a wrapper
2021-05-13 12:41:08	jennifer	I just don't want to compress it
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2021-05-13 12:41:46	msiism	arknet: `du -sh <dir>` Or just `du -s <dir>` will get you that.
2021-05-13 12:42:06	ayecee	jennifer: you've got the right arguments but in the wrong order
2021-05-13 12:42:26	jennifer	what do you mean?
2021-05-13 12:42:33	RayTracer	jennifer: your order of options is wrong.. after f it needs the archive name
2021-05-13 12:42:36	arknet	msiism: yeah with du you get what you want, i was looking more for an ls point of view
2021-05-13 12:42:45	arknet	but thx for coming back
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2021-05-13 12:43:01	ayecee	arknet: ls doesn't show that
2021-05-13 12:43:29	msiism	Yeah, well, Unix has a design flaw in this respect. To few options for ls(1).
2021-05-13 12:43:36	msiism	s/To/Too
2021-05-13 12:43:38	ayecee	arknet: also, thanks, not thx, please. they're picky about that here.
2021-05-13 12:43:40	jennifer	Oh, I can fix that, but does archiving do what I want? My main thing is worrying about corrupt files after long periods of times
2021-05-13 12:43:42	jennifer	I have millions of files
2021-05-13 12:43:55	arknet	got the answer
2021-05-13 12:43:57	arknet	Then, as with everything, ls shows you the size of that link, not the total space occupied by the contents of the directory.
2021-05-13 12:44:00	arknet	The minimum size a file or directory entry/link must occupy is one block, which is usually 4096 bytes/4K on most ext3/4 filesystems.
2021-05-13 12:44:06	ayecee	jennifer: it doesn't do what you want.
2021-05-13 12:44:18	jennifer	So how can I preserve millions of files? :)
2021-05-13 12:44:37	jennifer	I have several NAS and they're already rsyncing between one another using "-av --delete"
2021-05-13 12:44:43	Urchin[emacs]	ls is not meant to do everything
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2021-05-13 12:45:07	ayecee	jennifer: a backup copy i guess, or some other form of integrity verification/repair like par2
2021-05-13 12:45:11	arknet	ok. got the point
2021-05-13 12:45:30	jennifer	Par2? Hm
2021-05-13 12:45:35	msiism	arknet: You could try Emacs.
2021-05-13 12:45:36	Urchin[emacs]	jennifer: sshfs and cp if you're hitting constraints on number of files
2021-05-13 12:45:50	jennifer	Not hitting constraints, just takes a long time to rsync
2021-05-13 12:45:57	jennifer	If I use tar and archive them, I find it's a lot faster
2021-05-13 12:45:58	ayecee	jennifer: putting them in one large archive makes the files easier to manage, at least, but it doesn't save you from damage.
2021-05-13 12:46:09	jennifer	Yeah damage is a concern
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2021-05-13 12:46:35	jennifer	I already have redundancy, would like easier manageability and prevent damage if possible
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2021-05-13 12:47:09	ayecee	can't prevent damage. all you can do is detect and correct it.
2021-05-13 12:47:31	ayecee	well i guess you can avoid rubbing your hard drive with magnets for good luck
2021-05-13 12:47:40	arknet	:))
2021-05-13 12:47:45	jennifer	damn
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2021-05-13 12:48:35	d33cee	Hi all - currently trying to test connectivity from guest OS to host OS, but ping says "ping: Do you want to ping broadcast? Then -b. If not, check your local firewall rules" and I'd like to simply understand what it's telling me.
2021-05-13 12:48:51	ayecee	d33cee: the address you gave it is a broadcast address
2021-05-13 12:49:03	d33cee	i've never heard of such a thing...let me look into that
2021-05-13 12:49:09	msiism	arknet: Someone has probably hacked up an ls(1) replacement that does what you want.
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2021-05-13 12:49:21	ayecee	but then it wouldn't be ls
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2021-05-13 12:49:35	msiism	ayecee: It wouldn't?
2021-05-13 12:49:44	msiism	I mean, it probably isn't, anyway.
2021-05-13 12:49:46	arknet	msiism: thats is for sure
2021-05-13 12:50:05	ayecee	okay i guess it could be ls
2021-05-13 12:50:21	msiism	In my humble opinion, ls(1) should probably have that feature.
2021-05-13 12:50:27	arknet	i will "du" it then
2021-05-13 12:50:27	ayecee	jennifer: redundancy as in raid, or backups?
2021-05-13 12:50:32	d33cee	background: i'm trying to figure out the correct way to reach the host OS network from the guest OS, and `netstat -rn` shows me 4 things but doesn't tell me what's what
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2021-05-13 12:50:55	d33cee	one of them is 10.0.2.0 and that's the one that asks about broadcast
2021-05-13 12:50:58	msiism	arknet: Yeah, just `du` it…
2021-05-13 12:51:18	ayecee	d33cee: that's likely a network address, kind of like a broadcast address.
2021-05-13 12:51:26	jennifer	ayecee, both, my NAS are RAID 0 and I have multiple NAS
2021-05-13 12:51:32	jennifer	They rsync one another
2021-05-13 12:51:38	d33cee	ayecee: dumb question, but, are there non-network addresses?
2021-05-13 12:51:47	ayecee	jennifer: raid0 doesn't provide redundancy, right?
2021-05-13 12:52:00	ayecee	d33cee: yes, there are host addresses
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2021-05-13 12:52:14	gtlsgamr	heythere
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2021-05-13 12:52:17	jennifer	Oh wait I have mirror, I got it mixed up again
2021-05-13 12:52:19	jennifer	Raid 1 then
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2021-05-13 12:52:23	ayecee	jennifer: how do you tell if a file has been damaged before rsync
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2021-05-13 12:52:31	jennifer	ayecee, I dunno tbh
2021-05-13 12:53:08	jennifer	Occasionally I click on a photo and it's broken, so that brings heartache in
2021-05-13 12:53:11	d33cee	ayecee: from the guest OS, wouldn't the correct choice be a network address?
2021-05-13 12:53:20	ayecee	d33cee: to reach what
2021-05-13 12:53:29	jennifer	I confirmed just now, it is RAID 1
2021-05-13 12:53:43	jennifer	Btrfs too, though I haven't used their self-healing stuff cause I'm dumb and dunno how to set that up
2021-05-13 12:53:49	d33cee	anything on the host OS. Ultimate goal is to be able to connect to MSSQL.
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2021-05-13 12:53:59	ayecee	d33cee: what is the host's address
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2021-05-13 12:54:08	d33cee	that's what I'm trying to find out
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2021-05-13 12:54:26	d33cee	it's not an internet address if that's what you mean
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2021-05-13 12:54:49	arknet	d33cee: when was the last time you connect/ping the host?
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2021-05-13 12:54:56	d33cee	connect/ping?
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2021-05-13 12:55:11	ayecee	d33cee: how are you trying to find out
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2021-05-13 12:55:17	arknet	yeah pinged that host OS or connected to it
2021-05-13 12:55:30	arknet	or this is the first time?
2021-05-13 12:55:47	d33cee	i found a stackoverflow post that said running netstat -rn would list some possibilities which could be pinged
2021-05-13 12:56:04	ayecee	jennifer: that sounds like something to look into, but also look into what a "btrfs scrub" is, as a way to check for damaged files.
2021-05-13 12:56:09	ayecee	d33cee: what does netstat -an show you
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2021-05-13 12:56:45	d33cee	lots
2021-05-13 12:57:00	d33cee	a bunch of protocols and addresses
2021-05-13 12:57:06	d33cee	(local and foreign)
2021-05-13 12:57:06	ayecee	would you like someone else to take a look at it? if so, use a pastebin to share it.
2021-05-13 12:58:05	d33cee	that's one option, but it seems like I'm missing something really basic in my knowledge here
2021-05-13 12:58:22	ayecee	almost guaranteed, and sharing it would be a way of figuring out what that is
2021-05-13 12:58:35	jennifer	Ok I will
2021-05-13 12:58:40	d33cee	well, if I paste it, what are you going to look at? the 'foreign address' column?
2021-05-13 12:58:53	ayecee	i'm going to look at what you're looking at
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2021-05-13 12:59:05	ayecee	so i can see what you're seeing, and understand what you're saying about it
2021-05-13 12:59:31	ayecee	right now it's just "4 numbers on the screen"
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2021-05-13 12:59:55	ayecee	hard to make much sense of that, nevermind helping you understand it
2021-05-13 13:00:07	d33cee	maybe I should rewind instead, and start over: i'm running ubuntu in virtualbox on a win10 host, and I don't know how to find or test a connection to the host.
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2021-05-13 13:00:48	ayecee	how would you test the connection if it was a separate computer
2021-05-13 13:01:08	ayecee	say you and your brother are on the same network, how would you ping his computer
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2021-05-13 13:01:33	d33cee	probably run ipconfig and hope that the network is already configured to allow that connection
2021-05-13 13:01:44	ayecee	sounds like a good start
2021-05-13 13:02:03	ayecee	i mean except that ipconfig doesn't make connections
2021-05-13 13:02:14	ayecee	but i feel like there was an implied ping in there somewhere
2021-05-13 13:02:18	d33cee	yeah
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2021-05-13 13:04:20	d33cee	the first complication I run into, while trying that, is that ipconfig tells me about my wifi connection, and also a 'virtualbox host-only network', but none of the addresses I see here seem to correspond to anything I see inside the guest OS
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2021-05-13 13:04:48	ayecee	hard to picture what you're seeing
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2021-05-13 13:05:38	d33cee	I'm also not sure that I should assume that connections from the guest OS to the host are already _allowed_. I understand there's some kind of 'pass-through' happening because I can access websites inside the guest OS, but...
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2021-05-13 13:05:49	ayecee	for now assume they are
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2021-05-13 13:06:25	ayecee	as i am assuming because i can't see your screen from here
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2021-05-13 13:07:10	d33cee	if we get nowhere in a minute then I'll try to get this into a pastebin, but first I want to ask something else:
2021-05-13 13:07:57	ayecee	pastebin would be handy, but like any sort of detail would be nice. like, what addresses are you seeing, and where
2021-05-13 13:08:14	d33cee	is there not a standard process you'd follow here? "hey, i want to ping the host but I need the IP for that, so I'll..."
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2021-05-13 13:08:23	ayecee	there is nota standard process you'd follow here
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2021-05-13 13:09:15	ayecee	i mean, there kind of is, but that process depends on a level of understanding about your environment that is not currently present
2021-05-13 13:09:32	ayecee	on your side or mine
2021-05-13 13:09:33	d33cee	alright, do you think it's safe to assume that I should ignore the wifi connection, and focus on the 'ethernet adapter virtualbox host-only network' ?
2021-05-13 13:10:00	d33cee	It has an IPv6, IPv4, subnet mask, and does NOT have a default gateway listed
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2021-05-13 13:11:24	ayecee	i can't see either and i don't know how your virtualbox network is configured. that seems like a good place to start, but it's not safe for me to assume anything about this.
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2021-05-13 13:11:48	seven_three	I am not able to set up my monitor with its full resolution with xrandr. I get the error "xrandr: Configure crtc 0 failed". Please note that I also cannot apply a new resolution mode that uses the same settings as those currently applied. Here is all the info: http://dpaste.com/A4RRDS5DB
2021-05-13 13:12:03	d33cee	ah, even the implication that this depends on how the virtualbox network is configured is useful to know
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2021-05-13 13:12:14	ayecee	cool
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2021-05-13 13:13:24	ayecee	seven_three: what monitor do you have that supports a resolution of 3440x1440
2021-05-13 13:13:46	seven_three	https://www.amazon.com/Sceptre-C355W-3440UN-Super-Curved-Ultrawide/dp/B0812DKDD9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=sceptre+35&qid=1620912502&sr=8-1
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2021-05-13 13:14:15	ayecee	huh
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2021-05-13 13:14:49	seven_three	does the link not work for you?
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2021-05-13 13:15:30	d33cee	okay, pinging 192.168.86.1 worked, and even better, I'm able to visit a page being hosted by the host OS
2021-05-13 13:15:36	ayecee	i got the info i wanted from the model number
2021-05-13 13:15:38	d33cee	thanks for the help ayecee
2021-05-13 13:15:45	ayecee	d33cee: cheers
2021-05-13 13:16:19	ayecee	seven_three: what video card or gpu do you have this connected to?
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2021-05-13 13:17:07	seven_three	ayecee: Intel® Iris Xe Graphics
2021-05-13 13:17:29	seven_three	I know nothing about graphic cards or how those work with linux btw. Very well could have that messed up.
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2021-05-13 13:18:11	ayecee	maybe, but maybe not. reason i ask is that many models have a maximum resolution that you may be bumping up against.
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2021-05-13 13:19:11	seven_three	I thought so too but thats why I showed that I get an error even if I try to apply a xrandr mode that uses the same settings as what is currently setup.
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2021-05-13 13:19:51	ayecee	i'm configused about why the one command says crtc 1, and the later one says crtc 0
2021-05-13 13:20:44	ayecee	also that doesn't match your current setup, the current one is 2560x1440@59.95, not @60
2021-05-13 13:20:44	HaJones	I need some help installing from source. @kde-neon, ubuntu based system. I have to build graphviz from source with expat. I do not understand how to do it, it is an external package. here is the instructions https://graphviz.org/doc/build.html . help?
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2021-05-13 13:21:30	seven_three	ayecee: hmm I see. Let me try to reproduce again with 59.95
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2021-05-13 13:22:40	ayecee	seven_three: what cpu is this on? was going to look up the resolution, but it seems different based on processor.
2021-05-13 13:22:51	ayecee	HaJones: what part do you need help with
2021-05-13 13:23:26	miskatonic	how come *ubuntu has no graphviz package?
2021-05-13 13:23:30	seven_three	11th Gen Intel® Core i7-1165G7:
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2021-05-13 13:24:10	ayecee	max resolution 4096x2304@60hz, seems like it should work
2021-05-13 13:24:21	ayecee	as far as that part goes
2021-05-13 13:24:37	seven_three	ayecee: same error with 59.95
2021-05-13 13:25:05	quartz12	Hello! I'm having an issue on my linux machine where I can't wake the computer up when the monitor turns off after 30 min of inactivity. I'm using Linux Mint 20.1. I have the power settings set so that the computer never goes into standby mode, but I want my display to turn off after 30 min. Here is my system info: https://hatebin.com/jmqwmekwmw
2021-05-13 13:25:06	HaJones	ayecee, I basically do not know how to include libexpat in the build. I have downloade the source from github as a zip https://github.com/libexpat/libexpat
2021-05-13 13:25:12	ayecee	seven_three: dunno then
2021-05-13 13:25:39	seven_three	I wonder if it has to do with drivers
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2021-05-13 13:25:40	ayecee	HaJones: what do the instructions say about that
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2021-05-13 13:26:03	quartz12	When I try to wake the display up after 30 min, my display says "No input signal received". I believe it is due to me having an Nvidia card (RTX 2080 SUPER).
2021-05-13 13:26:51	HaJones	ayecee, I do not find any instructions that I can understand. it just say that I should build it with the libexpat. https://graphviz.org/doc/build.html
2021-05-13 13:27:00	ayecee	HaJones: i'm confused. these instructions don't mention libexpat.
2021-05-13 13:27:15	HaJones	ayecee, expat and libexpat is the same
2021-05-13 13:27:20	HaJones	external packages
2021-05-13 13:27:25	akik	HaJones: after building and installing libexpat, it'll have a directory called pkgconfig in $PREFIX/lib/pkgconfig. set that directory as the value for the PKG_CONFIG_PATH variable
2021-05-13 13:27:32	ayecee	HaJones: i don't see expat or libexpat on that page
2021-05-13 13:27:59	HaJones	ayecee https://www.graphviz.org/download/source/
2021-05-13 13:28:24	ayecee	HaJones: says it's optional
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2021-05-13 13:29:35	ayecee	however if you install it according to the instructions in the libexpat package, graphviz's configure should find it already.
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2021-05-13 13:30:55	ayecee	HaJones: but also consider installing ubuntu's libexpat instead, packages named libexpat1 and libexpat1-dev
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2021-05-13 13:31:23	ayecee	or just go ahead and install ubuntu's graphviz and make this easy
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2021-05-13 13:32:12	HaJones	ayecee, ubuntus grapviz version have problems with pantuml, need an other version. only exist by installing from source.
2021-05-13 13:32:50	ayecee	do you need to install libexpat from source too, or can you use the packaged version?
2021-05-13 13:33:08	HaJones	akik, so after that I can install graphviz with normal make, make install?
2021-05-13 13:34:04	akik	HaJones: if graphviz uses pkg-config
2021-05-13 13:34:16	akik	HaJones: it just sets some variable
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2021-05-13 13:34:20	akik	variables
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2021-05-13 13:35:19	HaJones	ayecee, I do not need it from source. just need to build graphviz with libexpat. I do not know how to make graphviz build with libexpat, ie. I have to tell make to use libexpat some how.
2021-05-13 13:35:35	HaJones	I think
2021-05-13 13:35:45	ayecee	you don't have to. that's what configure does.
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2021-05-13 13:36:16	HaJones	ayecee, so configure can sense if I have libexpat installed?
2021-05-13 13:36:25	ayecee	yes, that is its job
2021-05-13 13:37:09	akik	HaJones: https://pastebin.com/raw/E9CdCrRP
2021-05-13 13:37:13	ayecee	sometimes it needs help with that job, but cross that bridge when you come to it
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2021-05-13 13:38:25	Echoz	seven_three: No idea if related but I have a 5120x1440, 240hz monitor that only works at that resolution at 120hz due to lack of DSC support from Nvidia I believe
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2021-05-13 13:41:21	HaJones	ayecee, I do not have the binaries you are mentioning. I have libexpat-gst or -ocaml-dev, lua-expat-dev. need to go but thanks
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2021-05-13 13:42:03	HaJones	akik. do not erase the pastebin i will check it out. Mucho Thanks!
2021-05-13 13:42:20	HaJones	have to go.
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2021-05-13 13:43:15	ayecee	HaJones: so install them
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2021-05-13 13:43:27	akik	HaJones: it just shows the variabls for CPPFLAGS and LDFLAGS
2021-05-13 13:43:32	quartz12	Sorry computer froze again.
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2021-05-13 13:53:57	ayecee	i didn't even know sheezle was back in jail
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2021-05-13 13:57:38	quartz12	I'm having this issue where if my display turns off after a period of inactivity, I can't get back to my desktop. The display just says "No input signal received". I have stand-by turned off, but I want the monitor to go to sleep/turn off after somee time. This has happened on both Kubuntu and Linux Mint. Here is my system info: https://hatebin.com/jmqwmekwmw
2021-05-13 13:58:01	quartz12	Could it be a motherboard issue? I say this because it happens across multiple distros.
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2021-05-13 13:58:26	ayecee	sure but probably not
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2021-05-13 13:59:18	ayecee	but i mean it's not like you have another motherboard handy to test with, right?
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2021-05-13 13:59:54	quartz12	ayecee: True. I updated the BIOS to the latest version. I'm not sure what is wrong.
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2021-05-13 14:00:32	ayecee	can you ping the system from another computer when this happens? that would tell you whether it is a display issue only, or the computer has locked up
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2021-05-13 14:01:15	ayecee	but, like, also make sure you can ping the computer before it happens
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2021-05-13 14:01:42	quartz12	ayecee: What do you mean ping the system from another computer?
2021-05-13 14:01:53	ayecee	which part of that is not clear
2021-05-13 14:02:23	ayecee	you know what ping means, yes?
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2021-05-13 14:03:01	quartz12	I think so. Like query the system somehow from another machine.
2021-05-13 14:04:15	ayecee	sounds like a no. okay, there's this command, "ping", that sends a request to a given address and waits for a response. it's often used for troubleshooting. it's found on windows and linux and there are tools that can do the same on ios and android.
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2021-05-13 14:04:48	quartz12	Hmmm OK.
2021-05-13 14:04:55	ayecee	you can try this now, with "ping 8.8.8.8". that sends a ping to google's dns server, and is often used to see if your networking is working.
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2021-05-13 14:05:46	ayecee	but in this case we want to check if this computer is responding, when its screen is black. do you have another computer on the network, or a smartphone?
2021-05-13 14:06:30	quartz12	ayecee: I have a smartphone and a laptop.
2021-05-13 14:07:06	ayecee	can you try pinging your desktop's address from the laptop? do you know the address?
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2021-05-13 14:07:40	quartz12	I don't know it. How do I find it?
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2021-05-13 14:07:57	ayecee	you can probably find it in the output of either "ifconfig" or "ip addr", and it will very likely start with 192.168
2021-05-13 14:08:46	quartz12	OK
2021-05-13 14:08:57	ayecee	these are commands you'd run in a terminal like xterm or similar. not sure how familiar you are with those.
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2021-05-13 14:10:07	quartz12	Yeah I can get to the terminal. ipconfig says "not found" and ip addr does not seem to show the address. Lots of text that I'm not sur ewhat it means.
2021-05-13 14:10:40	quartz12	When this issue does happen, sometimes when I press CTRL + ALT + F1 I'm able to get into a terminal
2021-05-13 14:10:46	quartz12	Not sure if that helps.
2021-05-13 14:10:56	ayecee	maybe easier to read "ip -br addr"
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2021-05-13 14:11:03	jim	it's ifconfig
2021-05-13 14:11:26	ayecee	but also ubuntu 20.04 may not have ifconfig, so ip -br addr should suffice
2021-05-13 14:11:39	jim	well, that's what the older program is called (if you even have it)
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2021-05-13 14:12:41	jim	ip can be fed to a json parser like jq if you have that
2021-05-13 14:13:07	ayecee	quartz12: that does help, and strongly suggests it's a problem with the video card, its firmware, or its driver.
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2021-05-13 14:13:29	ayecee	none of which are easy to fix :(
2021-05-13 14:13:40	Khaytsus	I hate ip addr's formatting, still...
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2021-05-13 14:13:47	MrKeuner	Hi, a 1gb local home network here. I am wondering if I get a NAS with a 10GB nic on it, and replace this TP-Link TL-SG108 with a 10gb switch, can I see any advantages when multiple 1gb nic connect and read/write at the same time?
2021-05-13 14:13:57	jim	like: ip --json -br addr | jq
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2021-05-13 14:14:24	quartz12	ayecee: I have the system setting set so that the computer never goes to sleep/stand-by. I only want the monitor to turn off after some inactivity. Apparently it's a problem with lightdm. I'm reading this article: https://askubuntu.com/questions/477138/xubuntu-14-04-black-screen-after-monitor-off-on
2021-05-13 14:14:24	ayecee	MrKeuner: that's a definite maybe
2021-05-13 14:14:35	MrKeuner	ayecee, why a maybe?
2021-05-13 14:14:38	quartz12	Although I'm not using a TV screen as a monitor.
2021-05-13 14:14:48	MrKeuner	I am assuming other resources allow that of course
2021-05-13 14:15:01	ayecee	MrKeuner: that's the assumption that makes it a maybe
2021-05-13 14:15:16	MrKeuner	Can you oplease elaborate a little more?
2021-05-13 14:16:02	ayecee	it'll help if the network link was the bottleneck. if it's the nas disks or cpu, then it won't help.
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2021-05-13 14:16:08	jim	MrKeuner, you might consider keeping the 1gb network (and the interfaces) and -add- 10gb eth cards to connect directly to the nas
2021-05-13 14:16:18	jim	nas? san?
2021-05-13 14:16:25	MrKeuner	NAS
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2021-05-13 14:16:53	MrKeuner	jim, NAs already has 10gb nics on it
2021-05-13 14:16:55	ayecee	likely it'll improve performance to some degree but not, like, 10x.
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2021-05-13 14:17:02	MrKeuner	I don't see where to add addtional nics
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2021-05-13 14:17:22	jim	oh, you don't have enough slots?
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2021-05-13 14:17:47	MrKeuner	Enough slots on clients?
2021-05-13 14:17:55	akik	Khaytsus: how about "ip -br a"
2021-05-13 14:18:10	MrKeuner	On NAS, why would I need more than 1 10gb nic?
2021-05-13 14:18:31	ayecee	moar performance
2021-05-13 14:18:31	jim	what about the device connected to the nas?
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2021-05-13 14:18:45	ayecee	jim: the device connected to the nas is a switch
2021-05-13 14:18:48	MrKeuner	jim, TP-Link TL-SG108
2021-05-13 14:18:56	MrKeuner	I cannot add nics there, I think
2021-05-13 14:19:09	ayecee	you can stack some on top for good luck
2021-05-13 14:19:17	CNFANG	WRF?
2021-05-13 14:19:19	jim	so then he connects to the switch?
2021-05-13 14:19:27	ayecee	jim: are you feeling okay?
2021-05-13 14:19:57	MrKeuner	Right, I am not after a 10gb network at this point. I jam just trying to justify getting a NAAS with 10GB nics makes sense even on a 1gb networks.
2021-05-13 14:20:08	jim	not really... fell down some stairs and sprained my leg pretty good
2021-05-13 14:20:37	ayecee	there's a NAS with a 10gb nic, connected to a switch with 1gb ports, with clients using 1gb nics. the question is whether replacing the switch with a 10gb switch will improve performance when multiple clients are using the nas.
2021-05-13 14:20:56	MrKeuner	Correct
2021-05-13 14:21:11	ayecee	and, yes, it probably will, provided the network connection to the nas was the limiting factor previously
2021-05-13 14:21:12	jim	so then you'd be stuck at 1gb
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2021-05-13 14:21:27	ayecee	individual clients would be at 1gb. in aggregate they'd use more.
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2021-05-13 14:22:22	MrKeuner	ayecee, right, I don't expect performance increase on 1gb client when there is only one connection.
2021-05-13 14:22:29	ayecee	makes sense
2021-05-13 14:22:50	MrKeuner	Thanks. I'll likely get this truenas x+
2021-05-13 14:23:02	jim	(a possible upgrade would be if you added a 10gb switch, and have any device that wants direct access to the nas, should connect with a 10gb nic... what you end up with is two separate nets, a 1gb net and a 10gb net
2021-05-13 14:23:06	ayecee	sounds like a solid choice
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2021-05-13 14:23:11	jim	but
2021-05-13 14:23:16	jim	that's expensive
2021-05-13 14:23:32	ayecee	jim: think you're solving a different problem there
2021-05-13 14:23:42	jim	probably
2021-05-13 14:24:23	MrKeuner	jim, Yes, I am fine with 1gb nic on my clients for now
2021-05-13 14:24:36	MrKeuner	I am pretty sure I'll have to upgrade in couple years.
2021-05-13 14:24:44	MrKeuner	several couple maybe if I am lucky
2021-05-13 14:24:54	ayecee	MrKeuner: fwiw the box likely has multiple nics already, but you'd need a managed switch to do the link aggregation to take care of that.
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2021-05-13 14:25:13	jim	if the nas is working, and you're connecting to it, that should work ok, but when the nas is actively transferring data, other network traffic might slow down
2021-05-13 14:25:26	MrKeuner	not familiar with managed switches, is that for using two nics of 1gb and have 2gb connection?
2021-05-13 14:25:39	ayecee	that's one of the things a managed switch can do, yes
2021-05-13 14:26:11	jim	then you'd have a 10gb nas connected to a 1gb net, that all the other net traffic is also on
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2021-05-13 14:26:49	ayecee	it's not a 1gb net. the ports are 1gb. the backplane is usually quite a bit faster.
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2021-05-13 14:28:06	MrKeuner	I am sorry if I used terms wrong here. I was assuming 1gb net means a network with the slowest speed of slowest nic is 1gb
2021-05-13 14:28:08	ayecee	oh, is this switch already managed?
2021-05-13 14:28:16	MrKeuner	ayecee, no it is not.
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2021-05-13 14:28:28	MrKeuner	Current one is a 15$ switch
2021-05-13 14:28:43	ayecee	ah, that's the tl-sg108e that's managed
2021-05-13 14:28:54	ayecee	for a surprisingly low price too
2021-05-13 14:29:22	ayecee	i think. it's hard to tell.
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2021-05-13 14:31:08	ayecee	has a web interface, supports vlans, says it supports LAG which is probably link aggregation
2021-05-13 14:31:16	quartz12	ayecee: Sorry to bother you again. I think the problem lies in the fact that I don't have an "xorg.conf" file in my /etc/X11 directory. I'm trying to use nvidia-xconfig to create a xorg.conf file but the system says "Warning: unable to locate/open x configuration file. Unable to parse X.org version string"
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2021-05-13 14:31:23	ayecee	https://www.amazon.com/Ethernet-Unmanaged-Shielded-Replacement-TL-SG108E/dp/B00K4DS5KU
2021-05-13 14:31:34	quartz12	I'm just trying to create a xorg.config file with nvidia-xconfig
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2021-05-13 14:31:54	ayecee	quartz12: it's normal not to have one, the X server autodetects most things these days.
2021-05-13 14:32:09	ayecee	quartz12: but it's also normal to create one like you're doing
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2021-05-13 14:32:18	MrKeuner	yes, it looks like they have uncommon classification of managedness
2021-05-13 14:33:04	MrKeuner	Thank you ayecee
2021-05-13 14:33:07	MrKeuner	Thank you jim
2021-05-13 14:33:08	ayecee	:)
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2021-05-13 14:34:02	quartz12	ayecee: Any ideas how I can get nvidia-xconfig to create a xorg.config file?
2021-05-13 14:34:14	jim	I dunno if I did anything useful, I just tried to imagine your net(s)
2021-05-13 14:34:28	ayecee	quartz12: keep on doing what you're doing. that's a warning, not an error.
2021-05-13 14:35:12	MrKeuner	I appreciate intention to help, too. :)
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2021-05-13 14:37:15	jim	I mean, that's probably the first step to figure out what might be troubled with them, is to know what you have
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2021-05-13 14:37:25	ayecee	quartz12: the nvidia-xconfig manpage says that if it can't find one, it generates one using defaults
2021-05-13 14:37:53	MrKeuner	jim, let me know if you ahve questions
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2021-05-13 14:38:31	jim	what were you experiencing that was troubling?
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2021-05-13 14:39:19	ayecee	oh, you know, the usual ennui and existential dread.
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2021-05-13 14:39:58	ayecee	ah, not me
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2021-05-13 14:40:26	MrKeuner	jim, no trouble. I am planning to buy a NAS. Considering getting one with a 10gb nic on it. And pretty sure I won't be upgrading my network clients anytime soon. Does it still make sense to get a 10GB nic or not if I am willing to replace the 1gb switch that the NAS will be connectesd to
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2021-05-13 14:41:25	ayecee	definitely adds an element of futureproofing
2021-05-13 14:41:48	ayecee	don't know how much more it costs
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2021-05-13 14:42:16	jim	MrKeuner, oh, ok, so previous comments apply. you can either have 1 1g net for everything (including nas traffic), or a separate net with separate nics for just connecting to the nas (and the latter is an upgrade path from the former)
2021-05-13 14:42:37	ayecee	i.e. putting the nas on a san
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2021-05-13 14:42:48	gschanuel	How can I get rid of  "groups: cannot find name for group ID XXXX" message on ssh login?
2021-05-13 14:42:48	gschanuel	I'm using sssd and some groups must not be mapped, so I don't need to see this message
2021-05-13 14:43:00	ayecee	not a typical move in the to-the-desk networking space
2021-05-13 14:43:34	ayecee	gschanuel: it suggests your sssd is not configured correctly to resolve group names
2021-05-13 14:43:41	jim	MrKeuner, what has you interested in getting a nas?
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2021-05-13 14:45:05	ayecee	gschanuel: i don't know an easy way to disable that message aside from resolving the problem that it reports.
2021-05-13 14:45:42	MrKeuner	jim, I am considering NAs because of these: I'll have raid 1 with 5-7 drives. I'll have block level replication with ZFS. And I can add more space pretty easily.
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2021-05-13 14:46:07	MrKeuner	I possible will quit Google cloud storage.
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2021-05-13 14:46:35	MrKeuner	If a friend of mine gets one server with ZFS and and accepts to share storage.
2021-05-13 14:47:28	MrKeuner	Also, 4 4TB disks are cheaper than 16tb disk
2021-05-13 14:47:33	jim	so then you and friend would have direct connections to the nas?
2021-05-13 14:47:48	MrKeuner	No, they will have connection over WAN
2021-05-13 14:47:51	ayecee	no, the friend's nas would be used for offsite backup via replication
2021-05-13 14:47:57	MrKeuner	I will have local to mine WAN to theirs
2021-05-13 14:48:06	MrKeuner	ayecee, correct
2021-05-13 14:48:30	jim	oh ok
2021-05-13 14:48:43	quartz12	ayecee: Ok. I created the xorg.conf file. The guide I'm following says to insert Option "UseHotplugEvents" "false" into the Xorg.config file. Apparently setting "UseHotplugEvents" to false will disable RandR, but I've no idea what that is when I look it up. Do you think this will solve the issue?
2021-05-13 14:48:53	jim	I take it you have very large quantities of data?
2021-05-13 14:49:03	ayecee	quartz12: worth a try
2021-05-13 14:49:04	quartz12	You've probably figured this out already but I'm brand new to linux. All this terminology is confusing
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2021-05-13 14:49:16	ayecee	quartz12: easy to revert if it doesn't work
2021-05-13 14:49:22	MrKeuner	Not really. But larger enough to be expensive on Google cloud storage. around 1 TB of videos, photos.
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2021-05-13 14:49:54	ayecee	quartz12: reverting changes that didn't fix the problem is a very important and often overlooked part of troubleshooting :)
2021-05-13 14:50:01	MrKeuner	I am also considering Amazon glacier, but not sure if anybody have any success stories and how much that setup would cost.
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2021-05-13 14:50:25	gschanuel	ayecee, yeah.. my ldap_search_base is limited to speed things up. Those groups are in another OU, so there is no "solving"
2021-05-13 14:50:26	MrKeuner	quartz12, welcome!
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2021-05-13 14:50:55	crazybit_	MrKeuner: backblaze and you can use rsync
2021-05-13 14:50:59	ayecee	MrKeuner: that's more for cold storage. it's pretty cheap unless you need to retrieve files from it.
2021-05-13 14:51:04	jim	quartz12, we've seen new folks before, hopefully we can figure out what they need and respond in a friendly way
2021-05-13 14:51:19	MrKeuner	quartz12, if new to Linux you may not want to do things like that. A bit dangerous. You may scare yourself from Linux world.
2021-05-13 14:51:55	MrKeuner	crazybit_, I heard blackblaze from Truenas ads but not have any idea, how much that would cost.
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2021-05-13 14:52:31	quartz12	MrKeuner: Well, I'm not sure what else to do in order to resolve my issue.
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2021-05-13 14:53:02	MrKeuner	Not sure what your issue is, I suppose your video driver is not functioning
2021-05-13 14:53:02	crazybit_	MrKeuner: that depends on where you live and your tax rate, but it's cheap - I use it for storing (encrypted) backups of multiple  computers and company data
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2021-05-13 14:53:16	ayecee	MrKeuner: screen goes to sleep, doesn't wake up
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2021-05-13 14:53:35	quartz12	ayecee: OK thanks. It's telling me I can't save my changes to the xorg.conf file. I'm using nano and trying to do "write out"
2021-05-13 14:53:43	MrKeuner	ayecee, upgraded OS or clean install? What distro?
2021-05-13 14:53:49	quartz12	I did sudo nano xorg.conf
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2021-05-13 14:54:20	MrKeuner	quartz12, Definitely save and be ready that X may not start and you may have to edit/cp/mv diles in console.
2021-05-13 14:54:28	crazybit_	MrKeuner: you want to use Backblaze B2 since that's a LOT cheaper and you can just use rclone which is like a simplified version of rsync for cloud storage
2021-05-13 14:54:37	MrKeuner	If comfortable with console, no problems at all.
2021-05-13 14:55:02	quartz12	MrKeuner: I can't save
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2021-05-13 14:55:21	ayecee	gschanuel: i see.
2021-05-13 14:55:37	MrKeuner	quartz12, you can probably save it your desktop, though, right?
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2021-05-13 14:55:57	crazybit_	MrKeuner: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/cloud-storage-pricing.html - it's $0.005/GB
2021-05-13 14:56:09	MrKeuner	ayecee, yes cold storage is intriguing that it is cheap if everything is going well.
2021-05-13 14:56:14	quartz12	MrKeuner: It must be saved to /etc/X11
2021-05-13 14:56:24	ayecee	quartz12: it can be moved there later
2021-05-13 14:56:34	MrKeuner	If not, I may not mind paying extra to get my photos/videos back as long as it is cheaper than taking disk to a data recovery place
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2021-05-13 14:57:11	quartz12	ayecee: But why can't I just save it directly to the X11 folder?
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2021-05-13 14:57:26	MrKeuner	quartz12, that's right. I am talking about keeping a copy of the original somewehre in case things don't go as planned after your restart
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2021-05-13 14:57:34	rangergord	crazybit_: did Backblaze walk back on sending your filenames to Facebook?
2021-05-13 14:57:38	ayecee	quartz12: probably because the user you're running this as doesn't have permission
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2021-05-13 14:57:53	ayecee	quartz12: you'll likely need to use sudo to do the copy later.
2021-05-13 14:57:54	MrKeuner	quartz12, regular suer cannot save there. It is a system directory. You have to do it as root
2021-05-13 14:57:59	quartz12	ayecee: But I used sudo nano xorg.conf
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2021-05-13 14:58:12	quartz12	Ohh my god lol
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2021-05-13 14:58:31	ayecee	what did you realize
2021-05-13 14:58:59	quartz12	Didn't actually do sudo :)
2021-05-13 14:59:07	ayecee	doh
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2021-05-13 14:59:44	quartz12	OK I'm going to see if this works now
2021-05-13 14:59:55	crazybit_	rangergord: what are you talking about?
2021-05-13 14:59:56	MrKeuner	When you use the terminal one of the things required is to read the command you write and the message it returns fully and understand correctly.
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2021-05-13 15:00:03	MrKeuner	quartz12, ^
2021-05-13 15:00:20	ayecee	people make mistakes
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2021-05-13 15:02:19	rangergord	crazybit: a couple of months ago Backblaze was leaking your filenames to Facebook when you use the web UI to look at your file (and possibly not, we will never know)
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2021-05-13 15:02:38	MrKeuner	ayecee, certainly, and no problem with that at all. I just wanted to highlight that GUI heavy users tend to assume that console has similar level of usability for the same array of users.
2021-05-13 15:02:40	ayecee	computers make mistakes too, but they're just they people's mistakes done faster
2021-05-13 15:02:41	rangergord	I think they rolled it back after people made a stink, but I wouldn't trust them with my personal data. Just work data.
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2021-05-13 15:03:25	rangergord	though of course you can use encryption before backing up
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2021-05-13 15:04:06	ayecee	something half-understood from the news, half-remembered
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2021-05-13 15:04:51	rangergord	hey, it's IRC, not the Hague
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2021-05-13 15:04:58	ayecee	it's like fact homeopathy
2021-05-13 15:05:00	crazybit	rangergord: I assume that was an idiotic mistake by someone? And I assume that was using their regular backup solutions not B2? And yes, for B2 everything is always encrypted before being sent to Backblaze
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2021-05-13 15:05:31	rangergord	https://mjtsai.com/blog/2021/03/22/backblaze-b2-leaks-metadata-to-facebook/
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2021-05-13 15:05:50	MrKeuner	crazybit, thank you. Looking
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2021-05-13 15:06:41	rangergord	one day I'll bite the bullet and install desktop Linux and go all Stallman
2021-05-13 15:06:59	crazybit	rangergord: yeah that looks like a mistake, FB asshats and their fb pixel - they probably had fb pixel on their header or footer and that got included in their web ui - honestly i never use their web ui though - i suggest using rclone
2021-05-13 15:07:13	ayecee	and i'll be right here, inhaling and exhaling air
2021-05-13 15:07:50	rangergord	the stakes have never been higher
2021-05-13 15:07:55	crazybit	rangergord: but I agree, that sucks on Backblaze - they should know better
2021-05-13 15:07:59	MrKeuner	anything sent to anywhere should be encrypted, if you ask me.
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2021-05-13 15:08:14	ayecee	encrypt all the things
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2021-05-13 15:09:03	crazybit	yep
2021-05-13 15:09:11	hexnewbie	Encrypt your socks drawer
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2021-05-13 15:09:51	ayecee	protects against offline sock attacks
2021-05-13 15:09:56	rangergord	I think if Facebook/Google got ahold of my filenames, I would become easily blackmailable by them and thus unable to become president of the USA.
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2021-05-13 15:10:33	ayecee	rumor has it that's not a criteria for exclusion
2021-05-13 15:10:48	ayecee	not being born in the USA, that would be a bigger hurdle
2021-05-13 15:10:51	MrKeuner	Unfortunately, anybody can be president of the USA. :(
2021-05-13 15:11:06	hexnewbie	How's Michael Palin's bid going? ;p
2021-05-13 15:11:07	ayecee	thankfully not anybody
2021-05-13 15:11:21	ayecee	but like a whole bunch of people you wouldn't want to be, can be
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2021-05-13 15:12:13	rangergord	Every kid today has all their data hoovered up by the tech giants. You're crazy if you think a few years from now that data won't be used against them to determine who gets to run and how techgiant-friendly they are. Even data that is private now, all it takes is a "we're changing our privacy policy, here's a novel's worth of pages, click Agree or delete your account"  update and it becomes unprivate.
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2021-05-13 15:12:54	rangergord	they're already expelling kids for things said in private chats under aliases (tbf the kid should've denied denied denied that it was him)
2021-05-13 15:12:58	rangergord	from university
2021-05-13 15:12:58	ayecee	slippery slopes everywhere!
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2021-05-13 15:14:20	ayecee	well or maybe just not say the things that he would be expelled for
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2021-05-13 15:14:36	ayecee	but who has that kind of foresight
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2021-05-13 15:15:29	rangergord	ayecee: even in a private chat under a pseudonym?
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2021-05-13 15:15:39	rangergord	So always police yourself and never say what you think? Like you're in fucking China?
2021-05-13 15:15:45	ayecee	even in his bedroom with the door closed
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2021-05-13 15:17:01	rangergord	you're kind of a totalitarian conformist for an oldschool Linux geek
2021-05-13 15:17:27	ayecee	harsh
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2021-05-13 15:17:59	MrKeuner	If what you say breaks law you may want to consider why you think that way. If what you say doesn't break low but against ethics you may want to consider why you think that way.
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2021-05-13 15:19:04	rangergord	MrKeuner: the kid who got suspended said something like "I agree #blackwomenmatter, but I don't find them hot". In a reply on an anonymous social media forum.
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2021-05-13 15:19:23	ayecee	feels like there's more to the story
2021-05-13 15:19:31	MrKeuner	yeah :)
2021-05-13 15:19:47	rangergord	The real tragedy here is genZ not knowing how to stay anonymous, and if somehow confronted, why they don't deny it was them
2021-05-13 15:20:00	bernard__	broad claims
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2021-05-13 15:20:08	rangergord	ayecee: there's actually several stories, with several students expelled. This is the blackwomenmatter one: https://www.thefire.org/colorado-college-suspends-student-for-two-years-for-six-word-joke-on-yik-yak/
2021-05-13 15:20:11	mutante	which generation "knew how to stay anonymous" ?
2021-05-13 15:20:25	bernard__	literally every generation had arrests
2021-05-13 15:20:50	rangergord	mutante: I'm comfortably anonymous here
2021-05-13 15:20:51	MrKeuner	gen Z's parents may want to consider why themselves think that way, too.
2021-05-13 15:20:57	ayecee	rangergord: do you feel you've represented it adequately?
2021-05-13 15:21:00	mutante	also tired of the generation buckets everyone has to fit into
2021-05-13 15:21:22	akik	and then there are people who say cancel culture doesn't exist :D
2021-05-13 15:21:27	adamik	rangergord: precedence is being set in US Supreme Court right now re: off-campus speech. Maybe in Canadaddya you might want to deny, deny, deny.
2021-05-13 15:21:32	bernard__	indigo generation put your hands in the aaaair
2021-05-13 15:21:36	rangergord	ayecee: yeah? How does my link contradict what I said?
2021-05-13 15:21:40	rangergord	I didn't read all of it tbf
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2021-05-13 15:21:50	ayecee	rangergord: if i click on this, am i going to find your take has big omissions?
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2021-05-13 15:22:20	akik	so there's a requirement to be a hot, black woman when applying to the colorado college?
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2021-05-13 15:22:30	ayecee	rangergord: because i feel like i will, and this is going to be another rageclickbait
2021-05-13 15:22:46	rangergord	adamik: of course I'd deny deny deny here. This is a country with a prime minister who gets so upset when truth comes out in a trial that goes against his desired political narrative, that he tries to pass laws to counter it
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2021-05-13 15:23:29	akik	gad saad talked many times on youtube how the u.s. universities are full of sjws making policies
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2021-05-13 15:23:58	ayecee	o_O
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2021-05-13 15:24:11	rangergord	ayecee: I don't know if the article is clickbait, I don't think so. The facts seem there. If they omitted any, and there's a bigger story elsewhere, I have no way to know. I just yahooed "student expelled yik yak" because that's what I remembered from it, clicked the top link.
2021-05-13 15:24:36	ayecee	i feel like "sjw" can be the basis for a new godwin's law
2021-05-13 15:25:00	hexnewbie	These days they'll expel you for disliking systemd. That was unheard of in the 19th century.
2021-05-13 15:25:07	bernard__	!ops politics
2021-05-13 15:25:19	rangergord	not what our forefathers intended
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2021-05-13 15:25:45	rangergord	they wanted us to use init rc
2021-05-13 15:26:02	rangergord	(or whatever the old one was called. I didn't become a serious Linux user until after systemd became the standard)
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2021-05-13 15:26:29	mutante	I'll come back when the politics part is over
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2021-05-13 15:27:06	akik	yea i closed that browser tab too. too sad
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2021-05-13 15:27:26	MrKeuner	rangergord, I don't think it's a matter of forefathers or anything. It's a matter of rules of living different people together. You don't say things that assumes you are the center of the universe. If you do so, that will upset other people unnecessarily.
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2021-05-13 15:28:05	ayecee	rangergord: fwiw it looks like he did "deny deny deny" and this one post is the only one he acknowledged
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2021-05-13 15:29:10	ayecee	but it turns out that "deny deny deny" is not a get out of jail free card
2021-05-13 15:29:10	MrKeuner	Don't say doesn't mean think that way but don't voice it.
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2021-05-13 15:30:17	adamik	You ought to write an etiquette book, MrKeuner.
2021-05-13 15:30:23	rangergord	MrKeuner: I think we went on a tangeant. My point is we're already doing this stuff today, and it's ripe for abuse. Suppose candidates A and B are running for office a few years from now. Both have said problematic things in the past (I mean, who hasn't? Especially since you can be judged retroactively from the future for beliefs that were common in the past). Google/Facebook will only leak this "problematic past posts" to
2021-05-13 15:30:23	rangergord	the candidate they oppose.
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2021-05-13 15:30:44	MrKeuner	adamik, not an etiquette thing either
2021-05-13 15:30:56	bernard__	offtopic
2021-05-13 15:31:06	MrKeuner	assume there are two people on earth. If they want to do things together, they have to recognize each other
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2021-05-13 15:31:15	bernard__	offtopic
2021-05-13 15:31:20	DLange	yes, but no on-topic stuff either
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2021-05-13 15:31:36	baldpope	need some quick guidance - i have a trunk coming in, two vlans are ISP, 1 is my lan, how do I configure an appropriate route table so I can come in on either isp ip and how do I set a route out that doesn't hijack my local lan route
2021-05-13 15:31:44	bernard__	thanks bald pope
2021-05-13 15:31:55	rangergord	allright I'll shut up
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2021-05-13 15:32:07	ayecee	baldpope: what kind of quick guidance did you have in mind
2021-05-13 15:32:08	baldpope	here for ya bernard__ - but it's a real Q - trying to setup a bastion host
2021-05-13 15:32:16	ayecee	because that sounds kind of involved
2021-05-13 15:32:49	baldpope	so right now, I have the trunk up, and vlan interfaces up, so en0.11, en0.260, and en0.261
2021-05-13 15:32:56	baldpope	260 and 261 are the two isps
2021-05-13 15:33:01	baldpope	en0.11 is the lan
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2021-05-13 15:33:31	baldpope	not sure how to define routes out so I can still get to internet
2021-05-13 15:33:46	baldpope	is it because I have both interfaces defined with a gw?
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2021-05-13 15:34:02	ayecee	is what because that
2021-05-13 15:34:17	ayecee	there's a part of the quick question that's been left out for quickness
2021-05-13 15:34:24	ayecee	and it makes the rest hard to work with
2021-05-13 15:34:35	baldpope	yea - sorry - brain is kind of fried right now - let me start over
2021-05-13 15:35:48	RayTracer	that sounds like: set the default route to one of the 260 or 261 gateways from the isps
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2021-05-13 15:36:12	ayecee	nah there's something else involved
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2021-05-13 15:36:27	ayecee	the implication is that he loses access to the local lan
2021-05-13 15:36:34	ayecee	might as well wait for the story
2021-05-13 15:37:08	baldpope	apologies - pastebin of interfaces - https://pastebin.com/t7UNZfQ1
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2021-05-13 15:37:38	ayecee	what is netemask
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2021-05-13 15:37:45	baldpope	fuck me
2021-05-13 15:37:53	baldpope	wow...
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2021-05-13 15:38:25	hexnewbie	nethermask
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2021-05-13 15:38:58	ayecee	it doesn't make sense to have two default gateways like that either, but one problem at a time eh
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2021-05-13 15:40:10	ayecee	to get it working for now, comment one of those out.
2021-05-13 15:40:13	baldpope	ok, well the first problem is definitely solved (which was bringing them up like that) omg - can't believe I had a stupid typo like that
2021-05-13 15:40:24	baldpope	ty for that one
2021-05-13 15:40:30	ayecee	:)
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2021-05-13 15:40:38	RayTracer	I don't see these as default gateways, but just the gateways for these networks
2021-05-13 15:40:59	ayecee	i can see why you'd think that but that's not how this works
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2021-05-13 15:41:01	RayTracer	but I'm not very used to the debianish networks file
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2021-05-13 15:42:38	baldpope	ok, so now - default route is through vlan261, but it shouldn't be (not necessarily)
2021-05-13 15:42:48	arknet	does anyone has a Thinkpad P14s with AMD Rayzen 7 pro processor on it?
2021-05-13 15:42:50	ayecee	to have two isp links like that, you normally have to set up something called policy-based routing, and i'm not sure if there's an easy way to do that in the networks file
2021-05-13 15:43:05	ayecee	arknet: what would you ask someone who did
2021-05-13 15:43:38	arknet	just as they are not fully optimized for Linux distro
2021-05-13 15:43:51	ayecee	how do you mean
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2021-05-13 15:44:53	arknet	so the new AMD processors on laptops, and in this case on Thinkpads has an issue with hibernate/suspend process
2021-05-13 15:45:08	arknet	and wnat to know if someone is facing similar issues
2021-05-13 15:45:13	ayecee	why
2021-05-13 15:45:33	arknet	why what?
2021-05-13 15:45:44	ayecee	why do you want to know if someone is facing similar issues
2021-05-13 15:45:47	ayecee	like what is the goal
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2021-05-13 15:46:01	HaJones	how to exit a command in cli if ctrl-c does not work.
2021-05-13 15:46:09	ayecee	HaJones: what command
2021-05-13 15:46:15	arknet	cause I am facing issues and want to see if someone found a an approach to fix it
2021-05-13 15:46:23	koala_man	HaJones: you can try ctrl-z
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2021-05-13 15:46:30	ayecee	arknet: someone who is facing similar issues has not found a fix for it.
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2021-05-13 15:46:55	arknet	how do you know? :))
2021-05-13 15:47:05	ayecee	because they wouldn't be facing similar issues then
2021-05-13 15:47:10	ayecee	it would be fixed
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2021-05-13 15:47:51	arknet	i was thinking maybe I am missing something, some libraries or so
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2021-05-13 15:48:34	ayecee	you are hoping that someone has this same model, has had this same problem so you don't have to explain it, and has a solution
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2021-05-13 15:48:53	ayecee	i can see the logic, but it's a long shot. good luck.
2021-05-13 15:49:08	DLange	typically: Update to the newest BIOS and then try to run Fedora (=newest kernel)
2021-05-13 15:49:19	arknet	well :)) I know but worth trying
2021-05-13 15:49:26	arknet	if i dnt ask i will never know
2021-05-13 15:49:43	ayecee	arknet: just helping you ask a better question
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2021-05-13 15:50:13	arknet	ayecee: i know and thx for that. my english is still garbage :))
2021-05-13 15:50:14	HaJones	ayecee, it seems I did edit the PS1 variable and got an strange promt that I could not escape. So there were actually not a program to get out of... lol :)
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2021-05-13 15:50:26	ayecee	heh
2021-05-13 15:50:30	arknet	DLange: running debian on it
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2021-05-13 15:50:50	DLange	arknet: great distro, not really known for up-to-date kernels
2021-05-13 15:51:07	ayecee	so.. does a debian-style interfaces file have a way to define policy-based routing rules, or would that be configured elsewhere?
2021-05-13 15:51:20	arknet	well, they didnt invented yet Kali on rpm...
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2021-05-13 15:51:45	baldpope	ayecee: so at a minimum, I'd want to have the route for those to interfcaes to reply to their own traffic
2021-05-13 15:51:50	ayecee	arknet: that sound you don't hear is dozens of eyes rolling
2021-05-13 15:51:52	Quietus	ayecee you could define them there but equally you could pop them in a script in if-up.d and it's somewhat easier to build it out there.
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2021-05-13 15:52:25	baldpope	so if I come in on en0.260 - the traffic should return on that interface, right? but under current routing table - it does not
2021-05-13 15:52:27	ayecee	baldpope: yeah, that's a good one. for that you'd need source-based policy routing.
2021-05-13 15:52:28	arknet	ayecee: :)))
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2021-05-13 15:52:49	ayecee	baldpope: so, the routing table used depends on the source address and not only the target address.
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2021-05-13 15:55:38	ayecee	and then each of those source-specific routing tables will have its own default gateway
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2021-05-13 15:56:31	MrKeuner	crazed, I think B2 will work until, I find my trusted offsite NAS storage friend. Thanks
2021-05-13 15:56:36	ayecee	and probably other routes too
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2021-05-13 15:57:24	crazed	hm?
2021-05-13 15:57:35	ayecee	different crazy person
2021-05-13 15:57:41	crazed	nah i ditched b2 after that fb bs
2021-05-13 15:57:44	MrKeuner	sorry :)
2021-05-13 15:57:54	ayecee	the original crazy person has left apparently
2021-05-13 15:57:55	baldpope	ayecee: seems straight-forward enough - you have a good reference I can review/follow ?
2021-05-13 15:58:02	crazed	went with ovh object storage. suprisingly enough, it's cheaper
2021-05-13 15:58:22	MrKeuner	crazed, I'll check that too, thanks!
2021-05-13 15:58:25	ayecee	baldpope: lartc.org has a howto that covers the concepts fairly well.
2021-05-13 15:58:32	DLange	that's their world-renowned fire security :o)
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2021-05-13 15:59:41	aeyxa	Hey, is there a way to make fstab remount without having it error if something is already mounted? `mount --all` for example will give an error if the folder is already mounted saying it's busy
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2021-05-13 16:00:10	MrKeuner	aeyxa, why remount if it's mounted?
2021-05-13 16:00:18	baldpope	^^
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2021-05-13 16:00:28	aeyxa	Some may not be mounted.
2021-05-13 16:00:30	baldpope	assuming it's been mounted at boot
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2021-05-13 16:00:43	bumblefuzz	I'm struggling to set up a vncserver on a remote machine... I've followed about 10 online guides and google searches and nothing I try works
2021-05-13 16:00:55	bumblefuzz	does anyone know how to set up vnc servers?
2021-05-13 16:01:09	djph	bumblefuzz: been a long time ... i just ssh in nowadays :|
2021-05-13 16:01:10	Dan39	bumblefuzz: logs, errors..?
2021-05-13 16:01:19	baldpope	bumblefuzz: when you start it - how do you verify it's running?
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2021-05-13 16:01:23	MrKeuner	aeyxa, I think you may have to find the hung mount and unmount it first. I don't think mount whas an option to handle that case.
2021-05-13 16:01:26	akik	bumblefuzz: i set mine up so that i start the vnc server process manually
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2021-05-13 16:01:41	ayecee	bumblefuzz: probably more useful to tell us how you set up a vnc server, and how it fails
2021-05-13 16:01:51	akik	bumblefuzz: kind of last option if nothing else works
2021-05-13 16:01:56	aeyxa	MrKeuner: that was my conclusion too, thanks
2021-05-13 16:02:15	MrKeuner	aeyxa, umount has a force option which doesn't work always
2021-05-13 16:02:35	ayecee	bumblefuzz: if you've gone through 10 guides, and none of them work, one begins to suspect a systemic problem
2021-05-13 16:02:51	bumblefuzz	possibly
2021-05-13 16:02:52	ayecee	something that all the guides have in common, like the user following them ;)
2021-05-13 16:02:59	bumblefuzz	rather than go through everything I've done
2021-05-13 16:03:04	ayecee	or the system running them
2021-05-13 16:03:11	bumblefuzz	can you guys just tell me what you want to see the output of and I can pastebinit?
2021-05-13 16:03:32	ayecee	no, not really
2021-05-13 16:03:37	bumblefuzz	I'm using Remmina as the client
2021-05-13 16:03:47	bumblefuzz	and tightvncserver on the remote host
2021-05-13 16:04:03	ayecee	okay so what is the current problem
2021-05-13 16:04:09	DLange	and the remote host runs which operating system?
2021-05-13 16:04:12	MrKeuner	aeyxa, also sugegst checking out umount -l
2021-05-13 16:04:18	bumblefuzz	remote host is running linux mint
2021-05-13 16:04:23	bumblefuzz	with MATE desktop
2021-05-13 16:04:34	ayecee	cool but what is the current problem
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2021-05-13 16:05:16	bumblefuzz	when I try to connect to port 5901 on the target machine, it asks for the password and authenticates with the correct passworfd
2021-05-13 16:05:24	bumblefuzz	but the screen is all gray
2021-05-13 16:05:29	bumblefuzz	and I get an error
2021-05-13 16:05:33	ayecee	what error
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2021-05-13 16:06:11	MrKeuner	bumblefuzz, mint may have its own channel, you may want to try that. They may have a way that they suggest for this.
2021-05-13 16:06:18	bumblefuzz	'could not acquire name on session bus'
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2021-05-13 16:06:30	ayecee	does anything else happen
2021-05-13 16:06:38	bumblefuzz	it 'connects
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2021-05-13 16:06:47	bumblefuzz	it looks like a blank xserver session
2021-05-13 16:06:52	DLange	https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/518366/tightvnc-on-linux-mint-says-could-not-acquire-name-on-session-bus
2021-05-13 16:06:52	koala_man	sounds like it's working, yeah
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2021-05-13 16:06:55	DLange	just sayin'
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2021-05-13 16:07:15	bumblefuzz	I've been there
2021-05-13 16:07:18	bumblefuzz	tried all 3 of those
2021-05-13 16:07:23	bumblefuzz	nothing helped
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2021-05-13 16:08:27	ayecee	bumblefuzz: what should it display instead?
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2021-05-13 16:08:57	bumblefuzz	it should display the desktop that's on the remote machine
2021-05-13 16:09:06	bumblefuzz	I'm installing this for remote support
2021-05-13 16:09:09	bumblefuzz	like teamviewer
2021-05-13 16:09:17	bumblefuzz	but teamviewer refuses to install
2021-05-13 16:09:19	bumblefuzz	so I'm doing this
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2021-05-13 16:09:22	ayecee	how have you configured the vnc server?
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2021-05-13 16:09:39	bumblefuzz	I've only edited the xstartup file in ~/.vnc
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2021-05-13 16:09:49	ayecee	what do you have in there?
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2021-05-13 16:10:08	bumblefuzz	```
2021-05-13 16:10:08	bumblefuzz	#!/bin/sh
2021-05-13 16:10:09	bumblefuzz	xrdb $HOME/.Xresources
2021-05-13 16:10:09	bumblefuzz	xsetroot -solid grey
2021-05-13 16:10:10	bumblefuzz	#x-terminal-emulator -geometry 80x24+10+10 -ls -title "$VNCDESKTOP Desktop" &
2021-05-13 16:10:10	bumblefuzz	#x-window-manager &
2021-05-13 16:10:11	bumblefuzz	# Fix to make GNOME work
2021-05-13 16:10:11	bumblefuzz	export XKL_XMODMAP_DISABLE=1
2021-05-13 16:10:12	bumblefuzz	mate-session &
2021-05-13 16:10:13	bumblefuzz	unset DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS
2021-05-13 16:10:13	bumblefuzz	```
2021-05-13 16:10:16	ayecee	please use a pastebin next time
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2021-05-13 16:10:35	bernard__	or termbin. read the topic
2021-05-13 16:10:50	ayecee	if you uncomment the x-terminal-emulator line, do you get a terminal when you connect?
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2021-05-13 16:11:58	bumblefuzz	pastebinit is giving me a HTTP error 405
2021-05-13 16:12:06	bumblefuzz	I've never used termbin
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2021-05-13 16:13:04	ayecee	instructions are in /topic, but the important part is to not dump those here ;)
2021-05-13 16:13:08	Quietus	The recommendation I can find in this bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1928575 is to unset DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS in /etc/sysconfig/desktop.
2021-05-13 16:13:30	DLange	/etc/sysconfig is a Red Hat thing
2021-05-13 16:13:32	ayecee	bumblefuzz: so, if you uncomment the x-terminal-emulator line, do you get a terminal when you connect?
2021-05-13 16:13:33	bumblefuzz	ayecee I got a terminal!!!!
2021-05-13 16:13:40	DLange	he's on Linux Mint
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2021-05-13 16:13:56	bumblefuzz	how do I get the whole desktop?
2021-05-13 16:14:13	ayecee	bumblefuzz: okay so the good news is this is working perfectly normally. if you uncomment the x-window-manager, you'll get a typical login session.
2021-05-13 16:14:15	DLange	not with that vncserver :)
2021-05-13 16:14:21	ayecee	bumblefuzz: the bad news is that it won't be the one on your desktop
2021-05-13 16:14:27	DLange	because it creates a Xserver of its own
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2021-05-13 16:14:43	bumblefuzz	ok, is there a way to get it to do that?
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2021-05-13 16:15:12	ayecee	kind of. let's see what it's called.
2021-05-13 16:15:12	bumblefuzz	I can ssh into it for management; the remote desktop is just to help the user when they get stuck
2021-05-13 16:15:23	ayecee	are you using gnome?
2021-05-13 16:15:31	bumblefuzz	remotely? MATE
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2021-05-13 16:16:04	ayecee	so gnome has vnc screen sharing built in, it's in the control panel somewhere. i don't know about mate
2021-05-13 16:16:20	ayecee	i can't remember the name of the program that implements it either :(
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2021-05-13 16:16:36	akik	gnome-remote-desktop-session-vnc-turbo
2021-05-13 16:16:53	FreeNslaved	Quick question.. I am using latest version of MINT on a old laptop. I may have accidentally just did something to make my screen get much darker.. where can i find the controls to brighten things up?   I am not ruling out it that my old video card just put one foot in the grave  :O)just
2021-05-13 16:16:57	ayecee	i give even odds whether that's a joke or the real answer
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2021-05-13 16:17:25	ayecee	FreeNslaved: have you tried turning it off and on again?
2021-05-13 16:17:30	FreeNslaved	i did
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2021-05-13 16:17:40	akik	FreeNslaved: if the controls don't work, there's a brightness entry in /sys that controls it
2021-05-13 16:17:41	ayecee	well shoot
2021-05-13 16:18:02	ayecee	sometimes
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2021-05-13 16:18:18	akik	FreeNslaved: on intel graphics it's /sys/class/backlight/intel_backlight/brightness
2021-05-13 16:18:22	Humblebew	Hello
2021-05-13 16:18:36	FreeNslaved	i need to locate controls ... i did not go there.. may have done it accidentally with the keyboard..
2021-05-13 16:18:50	ayecee	bumblefuzz: looks like it was "vino"
2021-05-13 16:18:59	akik	i like that name for some reason
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2021-05-13 16:19:37	madprops	wine?
2021-05-13 16:19:45	ayecee	don't mind if i do!
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2021-05-13 16:19:55	madprops	sure
2021-05-13 16:20:11	kfrench	But Moooooommmmm!
2021-05-13 16:20:26	ayecee	bumblefuzz: i see instructions for installing vino on mint, so that sounds like a good shot
2021-05-13 16:20:32	FreeNslaved	ayecee: can i locae /sys class backlight from the mint pop up menu?
2021-05-13 16:20:37	FreeNslaved	locate
2021-05-13 16:20:43	bumblefuzz	I don't know vino...does that work with VNC?
2021-05-13 16:20:46	ayecee	FreeNslaved: i have no idea
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2021-05-13 16:20:51	FreeNslaved	thanking U
2021-05-13 16:20:53	ayecee	bumblefuzz: it is a vnc server, so yes
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2021-05-13 16:21:16	akik	FreeNslaved: open a terminal, cd /sys/class/backlight
2021-05-13 16:21:33	FreeNslaved	thanks
2021-05-13 16:22:31	ayecee	bumblefuzz: i can't speak to the reliability of these directions, but it looks legit. https://wiki.networksecuritytoolkit.org/index.php/HowTo_Remote_Connect_to_a_Mate_Desktop_Session_Using_the_Vino_Server
2021-05-13 16:22:53	ayecee	but maybe dated, not sure
2021-05-13 16:22:55	FreeNslaved	   Here is what it says   /sys/class/backlight$  now appears in my terminal
2021-05-13 16:23:09	akik	i was just thinking how serene the nature is outside. no wind, and it's warm
2021-05-13 16:23:25	akik	then i read the there's a probability for a war in israel/gaza
2021-05-13 16:23:35	ayecee	must be a weekday
2021-05-13 16:24:06	akik	ending with y
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2021-05-13 16:24:14	ayecee	the worst kind
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2021-05-13 16:24:27	FreeNslaved	akik   do you know the command for the terminal to make it brighter?
2021-05-13 16:24:54	akik	FreeNslaved: did you find the brightness file?
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2021-05-13 16:25:34	ayecee	nah. horse is standing beside the water, looking confused.
2021-05-13 16:25:39	FreeNslaved	 Here is what it says   /sys/class/backlight$  now appears in my terminal
2021-05-13 16:25:56	FreeNslaved	after i used cd
2021-05-13 16:25:59	akik	FreeNslaved: "ls" shows what's there
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2021-05-13 16:26:16	akik	FreeNslaved: "cd directory" enters a directory named directory
2021-05-13 16:26:42	FreeNslaved	right.. but i dont know what to do to alter the setting from the terminal..
2021-05-13 16:26:53	akik	FreeNslaved: try finding the brightness file first
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2021-05-13 16:27:54	FreeNslaved	when i typed DIR  it says now  intel_backlight
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2021-05-13 16:28:18	akik	FreeNslaved: you need root access to do it, so first "sudo -i", then cd /sys/class/backlight/something, then cat brightness, then "echo 100 > brightness" the number 100 could be anything
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2021-05-13 16:28:44	akik	ok but i said the command is ls
2021-05-13 16:28:51	FreeNslaved	thanks for holding my hand...
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2021-05-13 16:30:04	akik	you're welcome
2021-05-13 16:32:23	bumblefuzz	so, I uninstalled tightvncserver and install vino
2021-05-13 16:32:35	bumblefuzz	and  I have to type in the full path to the vino binary
2021-05-13 16:32:57	bumblefuzz	and, even then, I get the error:
2021-05-13 16:33:03	bumblefuzz	`
2021-05-13 16:33:04	bumblefuzz	Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
2021-05-13 16:33:04	bumblefuzz	Cannot open display:
2021-05-13 16:33:05	bumblefuzz	Run 'vino-server --help' to see a full list of available command line options
2021-05-13 16:33:05	bumblefuzz	`
2021-05-13 16:33:48	bernard__	refused
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2021-05-13 16:34:47	ayecee	looks like winging it didn't cut it this time. gonna have to read the directions.
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2021-05-13 16:35:41	ayecee	bumblefuzz: also, use a pastebin next time
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2021-05-13 16:35:52	bumblefuzz	I can't use pastebinit
2021-05-13 16:35:58	bumblefuzz	I get an http error 405
2021-05-13 16:36:00	ayecee	then use something else
2021-05-13 16:36:08	bumblefuzz	I've never used anything else
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2021-05-13 16:36:15	ayecee	this is a great time to start
2021-05-13 16:36:38	FreeNslaved	i am no good at the terminal... but thank you... i searched the word brightness in pop up window... PowerManagement window came up and there was a drag bar section called Brightness >.. THank YOU..   ayecee now can you locate my brightness bar on my person.....clearly i am not very   LOL
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2021-05-13 16:36:52	ayecee	heh
2021-05-13 16:37:14	akik	bery lol
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2021-05-13 16:39:18	FreeNslaved	be safe.. thank You for the assist....
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2021-05-13 16:40:25	bumblefuzz	ok, I have an alias set up for  termbin
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2021-05-13 16:40:42	ayecee	nice
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2021-05-13 16:40:47	bumblefuzz	now, why won't vino run?
2021-05-13 16:40:58	ayecee	because you didn't read the directions
2021-05-13 16:41:17	ayecee	just charged in like a bull and ran it
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2021-05-13 16:42:00	akik	bumblefuzz: i can paste you the startup commands i use when starting it up manually
2021-05-13 16:42:04	bumblefuzz	what directions?
2021-05-13 16:42:11	bumblefuzz	I didn't see any directions
2021-05-13 16:42:20	ayecee	well did you even look for any
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2021-05-13 16:42:36	ayecee	but also there was my url from earlier
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2021-05-13 16:43:03	ayecee	and of course there's the ones in /usr/share/doc/vino*
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2021-05-13 16:43:52	ayecee	but the bullet point there was, don't go blindly running new commands and hoping for the best
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2021-05-13 16:45:01	akik	bumblefuzz: i start the session with start-vnc on the server: https://pastebin.com/raw/7Bs2TgzC
2021-05-13 16:46:06	akik	el8 had made tigervnc depend on systemd but i got the fixed up
2021-05-13 16:46:26	akik	octopusd
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2021-05-13 17:02:11	slayne	Howdy !?
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2021-05-13 17:02:48	bumblefuzz	akik: this is the correct answer
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2021-05-13 17:02:51	bumblefuzz	everything works
2021-05-13 17:02:52	bumblefuzz	super simple
2021-05-13 17:02:54	bumblefuzz	https://www.howtoforge.com/tutorial/how-to-start-a-vnc-server-for-the-actual-display-scraping-with-tigervnc/
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2021-05-13 17:03:12	unixbsd	I finally managed to change init. For linux, init.c hack on, to change init. for devuan, that replaces initramfs for mounting... and debugging. https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/custom-init/-/blob/master/devuan/init.c
2021-05-13 17:03:40	akik	bumblefuzz: there can be many answers
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2021-05-13 17:04:36	Humblebee	Unixbsd what is devuan?
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2021-05-13 17:04:59	jim	quite probably the initramfs image is rebuilt/regenerated
2021-05-13 17:05:43	jim	Humblebee, it's a distribution based on debian
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2021-05-13 17:06:16	akik	Humblebee: devuan is debian without systemd
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2021-05-13 17:06:49	Humblebee	akik: ooh so it's like artix
2021-05-13 17:07:25	Humblebee	How difficult is it to change the Init daemon in a Linux distro?
2021-05-13 17:07:27	baldpope	thanks ayecee - got enough of it working for tonight
2021-05-13 17:07:33	baldpope	appreciate the direction/guidance
2021-05-13 17:08:35	jim	Humblebee, it's a lot of work
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2021-05-13 17:09:06	Humblebee	Well, I hope that the fork is stable - _-
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2021-05-13 17:09:07	dTal	Humblebee it's really easy just overwrite it
2021-05-13 17:09:17	jim	you have to write the init scripts for each service (and probably there's more to do)
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2021-05-13 17:10:35	akik	debian still has sysvinit-core - System-V-like init utilities package
2021-05-13 17:10:46	akik	you can try what happens if you install that
2021-05-13 17:10:53	akik	make it a disposable vm
2021-05-13 17:11:25	akik	Humblebee: it's like if you wanted to replace your spine
2021-05-13 17:11:26	Humblebee	Alright, I will launch virtmanager soon
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2021-05-13 17:12:37	Humblebee	akik: so, using an independent non-systemd distro is more stable than using a non-systemd fork?
2021-05-13 17:12:58	akik	Humblebee: who said that? not me
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2021-05-13 17:14:17	jim	Humblebee, doesn't necessarily follow
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2021-05-13 17:15:38	Humblebee	Well jim , having a body from scratch is better that changing my brain
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2021-05-13 17:16:26	jim	is no-systemd important to you?
2021-05-13 17:16:26	SuperSeriousCat	Looking for non-systemd distros?
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2021-05-13 17:16:55	akik	i'm not sure why they keep that package in debian
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2021-05-13 17:17:13	Humblebee	SuperSeriousCat: yeah, I am using void linux right now
2021-05-13 17:17:32	Humblebee	I want to know why people hate systemd so much
2021-05-13 17:17:46	SuperSeriousCat	If you dont mind using a source distro, Gentoo is nice. Very customizeable with its use flags
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2021-05-13 17:18:05	Humblebee	Oh Hell Naw
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2021-05-13 17:18:20	Humblebee	I ain't got the time to compile a distro from source
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2021-05-13 17:18:21	jim	at the time it came out, systemd replaced a lot of stuff, and people said "Whoa"
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2021-05-13 17:18:48	kfrench	Whoa
2021-05-13 17:19:01	SuperSeriousCat	Humblebee, the system compiles itself, but I get it
2021-05-13 17:19:12	Humblebee	I have to say, systemd is convenient and easy, but it's slow and it's slowly taking over the world
2021-05-13 17:19:14	jim	see? just like that!
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2021-05-13 17:19:38	jim	what did linux do?
2021-05-13 17:19:48	SuperSeriousCat	Soon all you need is the kernel and systemd and you got a full working system
2021-05-13 17:19:56	jim	take over the bathroom sink?
2021-05-13 17:19:57	akik	hand up if you've wondering what "a stop job is running for" is keeping your system hostage
2021-05-13 17:20:04	Humblebee	I hate the fact that I am forced to use a specific daemon in a world where I have the freedom to use whatever I want
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2021-05-13 17:20:20	Humblebee	akik: exactly
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2021-05-13 17:21:29	jim	you still have that freedom (but alas, with freedom comes responsibility, you'd have to do the work)
2021-05-13 17:21:52	Humblebee	Yeah, installing void was, rather infuriating
2021-05-13 17:22:01	akik	with systemd you were given an ultimatum
2021-05-13 17:22:10	akik	our way or the highway
2021-05-13 17:22:12	Humblebee	But I am happy with the outcome (after reinstalling the os 7 times)
2021-05-13 17:22:27	Humblebee	7 FUCKING TIMES
2021-05-13 17:22:46	bernard__	language
2021-05-13 17:22:50	jim	and then you'd be maintaining the init scripts for each service
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2021-05-13 17:23:10	jim	I guess you should put em under git if you were gonna do that
2021-05-13 17:23:11	Leolo_2	How do I run ssh but not have it run a command, just set up port forwarding ?
2021-05-13 17:23:35	kfrench	Leolo_2: -N
2021-05-13 17:23:36	Humblebee	Yeah, I am tired of running "sudo ln - s /etc/sv/ServiceName /var/service"
2021-05-13 17:23:43	Leolo_2	ty
2021-05-13 17:24:16	jim	Humblebee, please watch your language while you're here
2021-05-13 17:24:42	Humblebee	OK oh
2021-05-13 17:24:50	jim	Leolo_2, in the future, could you expand those things (meaning [[plsuse 'thank you'
2021-05-13 17:24:57	jim	shoot
2021-05-13 17:25:06	jim	Leolo_2, in the future, could you expand those things (meaning please use 'thank you', not 'ty')
2021-05-13 17:25:19	Leolo_2	sure
2021-05-13 17:25:24	jim	thanks
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2021-05-13 17:26:20	jim	Humblebee, come on, please watch the language
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2021-05-13 17:26:42	Humblebee	jim : I said I'm sorry
2021-05-13 17:27:06	jim	yes, but then you put it in a quit message
2021-05-13 17:27:26	Humblebee	Ohhh
2021-05-13 17:27:31	Humblebee	I forgot about thal lmao
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2021-05-13 17:28:40	Humblebee	Debian itself is here
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2021-05-13 17:29:18	Cirrus_Minor	chastising teh user for ty opposed to 'thank you' is a bit harsh, leetspeak ftw
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2021-05-13 17:30:17	mlu	s333sh w3 1337 h4x0rz b3t+3r d4n t4H+! 8u7 \/V3 31337! 8-D
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2021-05-13 17:30:55	mlu	on the other hand, ty could stand for "ty teddy bear"
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2021-05-13 17:31:14	Humblebee	Is rust really gona be in the Linux kernel?
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2021-05-13 17:31:42	mlu	Humblebee: probably, yes
2021-05-13 17:31:54	mlu	Humblebee: someone's gonna write a driver here and there, and that's when it'll get in
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2021-05-13 17:32:06	Humblebee	Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?
2021-05-13 17:32:17	mlu	IMO, neither
2021-05-13 17:32:29	mlu	it's a use the appropriate tool for the job situation
2021-05-13 17:32:31	Humblebee	I mean, from what I have heard, rust is a bit more preformant
2021-05-13 17:32:46	mlu	if I was updating exdisting code, there's no reason not to make it in C
2021-05-13 17:33:09	mlu	but if something's really complex and subject to memory allocation errors, Rust makes it safe
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2021-05-13 17:33:20	mlu	the performance part is not important
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2021-05-13 17:33:37	mlu	the important part about Rust is memory-safety due to all its compile-time checks
2021-05-13 17:34:01	mlu	it's immune from those all-too-common buffer overflow exploits or the goto-fail type scenarios
2021-05-13 17:34:29	mlu	Rust might be good at optimizing certain pieces of code, but the difference is minimal compared to a well-writen piece of C
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2021-05-13 18:10:15	NULL_b0n3s	hey i have a question,
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2021-05-13 18:10:46	NULL_b0n3s	hello?
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2021-05-13 18:13:06	HaJones	is it possible to read .md files in terminal?
2021-05-13 18:13:32	bernard__	NULL_b0n3s: hello
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2021-05-13 18:14:29	vlt	HaJones: One way is `less`.
2021-05-13 18:14:31	koala_man	HaJones: they're meant to be readable as plaintext so you can just cat them
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2021-05-13 18:15:34	bernard__	HaJones: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/4141
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2021-05-13 18:16:03	bernard__	`pandoc -t plain file.md | less` too
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2021-05-13 18:19:16	HaJones	bernard__, what would you use?
2021-05-13 18:19:27	bernard__	cat
2021-05-13 18:19:44	Humblebee	I use nano
2021-05-13 18:19:49	Humblebee	I love nano
2021-05-13 18:19:50	bernard__	wouldn't waste my time with that unless you work with .md files all the time
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2021-05-13 18:20:18	bernard__	HaJones: you are free to choose
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2021-05-13 18:20:26	Humblebee	Question, how the hell did some of you guys learn vim/neovim?
2021-05-13 18:20:37	HaJones	bernard__, I just got funny formatting when trying to read the .md file.
2021-05-13 18:20:38	koala_man	vimtutor
2021-05-13 18:20:38	Humblebee	It's sooo heckling difficult to learn
2021-05-13 18:20:47	adamik	Humblebee: install vim and run vimtutor
2021-05-13 18:20:49	bernard__	pretty easy Humblebee
2021-05-13 18:20:55	velix	Yipee. Finally a 7zip update for linux.
2021-05-13 18:20:55	adamik	It's not difficult.
2021-05-13 18:20:57	Humblebee	Well, vim tutor is still somewhat hard for me
2021-05-13 18:20:57	hypnotux	Humblebee: :h
2021-05-13 18:21:01	velix	And it didn't make it into new debian \o/ :D
2021-05-13 18:21:16	Humblebee	I guess I will give it another shot later
2021-05-13 18:21:25	Humblebee	But now I wanna learn irc
2021-05-13 18:21:29	bernard__	<esc> to get to enter commands and A to write
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2021-05-13 18:21:41	bernard__	bash the keys until it responds
2021-05-13 18:22:04	Humblebee	bernard_: lmafao
2021-05-13 18:22:09	HaJones	bernard__, thanks for the suggestions.
2021-05-13 18:22:51	qman__	Humblebee:  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d8XtNXutVto
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2021-05-13 18:23:05	iflema	hypnotux: is that a beard in the wind?
2021-05-13 18:23:29	hypnotux	Humblebee: if you like more interactive tutorials/gamefication: https://vim-adventures.com/
2021-05-13 18:23:36	adamik	A is to insert at the end of the line.
2021-05-13 18:23:44	adamik	You don't always want to do that.
2021-05-13 18:23:53	HaJones	Humblebee, to learn vim I think this guy is good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzX2WXSt-yM&list=WL&index=46&t=9s
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2021-05-13 18:26:14	bernard__	adamik: meant it as a way to start typing
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2021-05-13 18:26:57	SmashingX	Any could Crypto wallet in linux that someone can recommend, I'm looking for security and easy to use.
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2021-05-13 18:27:10	adamik	As one does when they enter Insert mode.
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2021-05-13 18:28:14	adamik	Humblebee: running vimtutor again is a good idea. If you want to do how to something, use :help <subject>.
2021-05-13 18:28:21	adamik	And use it in your day-to-day.
2021-05-13 18:28:38	Humblebee	Alright adamik thanks
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2021-05-13 18:35:16	Evidlo	is there a way to delete virtual pointers through xinput?
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2021-05-13 18:39:53	phogg	Evidlo: interesting question (I don't know) -- why do you want to delete one?
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2021-05-13 18:42:25	Evidlo	I'm using libevdev in python to create a virtual device, but I have a bunch of them now after running the script several times
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2021-05-13 18:43:02	phogg	Evidlo: I know one can disable them, but I've never heard of a way to delete. It should exist, I imagine. It might be labeled as "detach" or something, though
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2021-05-13 18:46:48	HaJones	if something needs "the ncursesw headers to compile" what does it mean? do I need to install a package @kde-neon ubuntu base.
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2021-05-13 18:49:35	adamik	HaJones: yes. ncursesw5-dev libraries.
2021-05-13 18:50:27	HaJones	adamik, I have ncurses-bin and ncurses-base installed.
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2021-05-13 18:51:45	HaJones	adamik, and libncurses-dev, then it should be ok?
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2021-05-13 18:52:23	HaJones	I have no ncursesw5-dev package.
2021-05-13 18:52:43	adamik	search libncursesw in your package manager
2021-05-13 18:53:12	HaJones	libncursesw6 is installed.
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2021-05-13 18:53:48	HaJones	not installed libncursesw5-dev and libncursesw5
2021-05-13 18:55:16	HaJones	adamik,
2021-05-13 18:55:40	adamik	install those packages
2021-05-13 18:55:49	hypnotux	HaJones: check if the package libncurses-dev is installable, if it is, install it and you should have the needed headers/libraries to compile programs that uses ncurses
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2021-05-13 18:56:44	HaJones	hypnotux, ok thanks, it is already installed.
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2021-05-13 18:57:46	adamik	good to see everyone was following
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2021-05-13 18:58:52	hypnotux	HaJones: if it's installed, that should be it... try to compile it and cross your fingers :)
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2021-05-13 18:59:46	HaJones	hypnotux, thanks. But I found a binary... just moments ago. but good to learn how to do it :)
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2021-05-13 19:22:31	ayecee	splendid
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2021-05-13 19:26:08	fling	What is the best software for vocal removal?
2021-05-13 19:26:20	fling	And/or any audio removal by a pattern.
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2021-05-13 19:26:44	ayecee	why does it always have to be the best
2021-05-13 19:27:02	ayecee	wouldn't you prefer more than one option
2021-05-13 19:27:10	adamik	If it's the best around
2021-05-13 19:27:14	adamik	nothing's going to stop or keep it down
2021-05-13 19:27:53	ayecee	adamik: you make a solid argument
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2021-05-13 19:28:10	ayecee	i don't know what the argument is, but it's for sure solid
2021-05-13 19:29:06	adamik	Joe Esposito's Law
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2021-05-13 19:30:11	fling	Are there many options?
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2021-05-13 19:30:21	ayecee	are there any options?
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2021-05-13 19:31:28	adamik	https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-13/colonial-pipeline-paid-hackers-nearly-5-million-in-ransom
2021-05-13 19:31:32	adamik	Pay the ransom.
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2021-05-13 19:31:45	ayecee	i'm in the wrong line of work
2021-05-13 19:32:16	akik	fling: audacity can remove noise according to noise profile
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2021-05-13 19:34:10	Nickwiz	it has a karaoke plugin as well, but for general noise the noise removal works fairly OK. All depends on how good sample you can get, and how much noise there is.
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2021-05-13 19:34:39	Nickwiz	One have to fine tune it as not to get too much distortion.
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2021-05-13 19:35:18	Gustavo6046	"You walking smelly pile of PEBCAK!" "What?"
2021-05-13 19:35:34	akik	Nickwiz: karaoke plugin removes vocals?
2021-05-13 19:35:47	ayecee	sounds like karaoke to me
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2021-05-13 19:35:59	akik	got to test that
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2021-05-13 19:36:43	Nickwiz	akik: Yeah, believe it is simply called Vocal removal
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2021-05-13 19:40:07	Evidlo	does libinput work in X11?  I see the same devices listed as I see in xinput
2021-05-13 19:40:07	Nickwiz	It degrades the sound quite a bit of course
2021-05-13 19:40:50	dTal	for some value of "work"
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2021-05-13 19:41:18	ayecee	mostly just slacks off browsing instagram pics
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2021-05-13 19:43:00	fling	something like this for spectral removal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz3bfxmqA-s
2021-05-13 19:43:01	chemiker	Evdlo yes it works
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2021-05-13 19:45:58	fling	ayecee: I could buy izotope rx8 but I don't know if it is the best tool
2021-05-13 19:46:16	fling	ayecee: 5 years old isse looks more powerful idk
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2021-05-13 19:46:45	fling	maybe there is also some native and free software tool for the task haha
2021-05-13 19:46:45	ayecee	i don't know what either of those things are
2021-05-13 19:47:35	ayecee	do you think that a native and free software tool would also be the best
2021-05-13 19:47:53	fling	I only know a little
2021-05-13 19:48:09	ayecee	if it weren't the best would you still want to know about it
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2021-05-13 19:48:45	ayecee	i guess what i'm saying is, stop coming in here and asking for the best X.
2021-05-13 19:48:51	Toadisattva	if you support native and free options they will quickly become the best :)
2021-05-13 19:49:00	fling	ayecee: it what? I only used some waves vst plugin for noise removal by pattern many bears ago
2021-05-13 19:49:10	fling	ayecee: why?
2021-05-13 19:49:22	Nickwiz	for that kind of work wacom drawing tablet or the like is good
2021-05-13 19:49:31	adamik	fling: Did this plugin work well and consistently with all audio you had tried?
2021-05-13 19:49:46	ayecee	fling: because it's not what you're looking for
2021-05-13 19:49:59	fling	adamik: yes, but I only tried it for hissing noise, not for vocals
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2021-05-13 19:51:30	ayecee	fling: also because the question is meaningless without evaluation criteria.
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2021-05-13 19:51:42	ayecee	fling: but you probably don't understand that because it's not what you're looking for.
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2021-05-13 19:52:31	adamik	fling: it seems that the methods used in sox or audacity for instance to removal vocals are very incidental/inconsistent.
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2021-05-13 19:53:30	Nickwiz	Hiss can be rather well be removed with noise reduction, all depending on the level and ability to get a good sample of course.
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2021-05-13 19:57:16	adamik	Yeah that is different. For vocal removal it is like a parlor trick with no multiple outs.
2021-05-13 19:58:09	fling	Nickwiz: spectral noise removal by pattern with a good sample was much more superior because it did not affect any hissing sounds in vocals
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2021-05-13 20:01:46	adamik	fling: if you want to though, you can try using out of phase stereo effect (oops) in SoX.
2021-05-13 20:02:07	adamik	"Mixes stereo to twin-mono where each mono channel contains the difference between the left and right stereo channels. This is sometimes known as the 'karaoke' effect as it often has the effect of removing most or all of the vocals from a recording."
2021-05-13 20:02:13	Evidlo	use a pretrained neural network for voice removal
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2021-05-13 20:03:51	adamik	Or just generally pull out every tool on the sox knife on your audio file until you are too hungry and upset to continue.
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2021-05-13 20:11:09	MockingMoniker	So, I'm trying to get xmllint to work and I always get "XPath Set is Empty." I have a simple document which is partially like so: <domain><name>...
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2021-05-13 20:11:27	MockingMoniker	I try xmllint --xpath="/domain" filename and I get nothing.
2021-05-13 20:11:39	MockingMoniker	I try all kinds of things, nothing works. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.
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2021-05-13 20:17:27	ayecee	guess it's time to figure out what an xpath set is
2021-05-13 20:17:44	velix	Sorry, I came in too late. There are some VERY good websites to create acapella and instrumental versions from high quality audio.
2021-05-13 20:17:55	velix	They're using neural networking stuff, like Evidlo said.
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2021-05-13 20:19:27	HaJones	I want to install dependencies for a later version of a package, I read somewhere that I can use 'sudo apt-get build-dep graphviz' but I get 'E: Unable to find a source package for graphviz' what can I do?
2021-05-13 20:19:50	HaJones	I can install graphviz if I want.
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2021-05-13 20:20:23	ayecee	does that work for other packages
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2021-05-13 20:21:32	ayecee	HaJones: so, does that work for other packages
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2021-05-13 20:22:06	HaJones	ayecee, no it seems not to work.
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2021-05-13 20:22:12	ayecee	same error?
2021-05-13 20:22:27	HaJones	ayecee, yes
2021-05-13 20:22:37	ayecee	sounds like you'll have to enable source repositories in your package manager
2021-05-13 20:23:00	ayecee	i don't know how you normally do that on mint
2021-05-13 20:23:21	HaJones	ok Im on kde-neon. but that is also ubuntu base.
2021-05-13 20:23:32	ayecee	i don't know how you normally do that on kde-neon
2021-05-13 20:23:42	adamik	I think that is in your update manager GUI.
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2021-05-13 20:24:11	adamik	In a preference menu or sources tab.
2021-05-13 20:24:58	adamik	I saw this in Mint but you can try.
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2021-05-13 20:25:41	AAC	where can i get software licenses help?
2021-05-13 20:26:05	ayecee	AAC: a lawyer, probably
2021-05-13 20:26:10	AAC	damn
2021-05-13 20:26:16	AAC	didnt want to spend the bucks
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2021-05-13 20:26:30	ayecee	can't have been all that important then
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2021-05-15 11:08:01	paulcarroty	"debian ubuntu and arch on that drive" do you have unlimited free time to maintain it al?
2021-05-15 11:08:37	paulcarroty	😜
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2021-05-15 11:09:06	johnjay	a good point
2021-05-15 11:09:27	johnjay	well now i managed to get the efi dir specified. i managed to get the error down to 0x4 is not implemented
2021-05-15 11:09:35	johnjay	so i guess that means i win. but i still don't have a working grub
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2021-05-15 11:10:36	wwalker	johnjay, it needs the raw device (sda) in order to  verify/install the master boot record.
2021-05-15 11:11:25	johnjay	ah ok.
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2021-05-15 11:11:57	johnjay	i also got an error about /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist
2021-05-15 11:12:06	johnjay	so i gave it the path to it on the drive.
2021-05-15 11:12:16	wwalker	which distro are you trying to do the install from?
2021-05-15 11:12:20	johnjay	i guess either i can't use this ubuntu live cd to install grub or i'm not doing it right
2021-05-15 11:12:24	johnjay	ubuntu 18
2021-05-15 11:12:33	johnjay	partition is ubuntu 20
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2021-05-15 11:12:48	wwalker	ah, ubuntu 18 live image?
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2021-05-15 11:13:09	EriC^^	johnjay: can you pastebin the output of 'sudo parted -ls' or run 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999' and share the link?
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2021-05-15 11:13:16	wwalker	I could work miracles with grub, but with grub2, I just give up
2021-05-15 11:14:10	wigums	johnjay cant you install grub again from one of your plethera of distros?can you boot at all? sorry i didnt catch the whole convo
2021-05-15 11:14:55	johnjay	EriC^^: sure. but i's just showing you a list of my hard drives and partitions.
2021-05-15 11:15:26	johnjay	https://dpaste.com/
2021-05-15 11:15:29	EriC^^	ty
2021-05-15 11:15:30	johnjay	sigh
2021-05-15 11:15:39	johnjay	https://termbin.com/kwa2
2021-05-15 11:15:56	johnjay	wigums: i have no idea. grub is like a magical box of magic to me in how it works
2021-05-15 11:16:03	johnjay	i guess i should read through the manual at least
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2021-05-15 11:16:10	johnjay	since apparently i cant' stop dual booting windows and linux
2021-05-15 11:16:45	johnjay	/dev/sdc3 is the ubuntu install
2021-05-15 11:16:56	wigums	johnjay its a multiboot setup? multiple linux distros? can you boot into any of them? if you can you can just install grub from it and it will find all your distros
2021-05-15 11:17:09	johnjay	ok so if i can get into debian i can reinstall from there?
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2021-05-15 11:17:14	wigums	yes
2021-05-15 11:17:14	EriC^^	johnjay: ok, so you're using gpt + efi for the linux stuff it seems, but windows is installed in legacy mode?
2021-05-15 11:17:27	johnjay	windows uses efi as well
2021-05-15 11:17:39	johnjay	i had to do the bootx64.efi hack so it stopped overwriting the efi var every boot
2021-05-15 11:17:46	EriC^^	johnjay: where is it's efi partition?
2021-05-15 11:18:06	EriC^^	ah, so /dev/sdc1 is the efi partition for ubuntu/debian/arch and windows?
2021-05-15 11:18:10	johnjay	i think so yes
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2021-05-15 11:18:34	johnjay	and the efibootmgr output shows it's still set to go to ubuntu first. but somehow what i did messed it up
2021-05-15 11:18:45	johnjay	i attached a new hard drive and installed windows on it then unattached it
2021-05-15 11:18:50	johnjay	apparently to grub this was a mortal sin
2021-05-15 11:19:05	EriC^^	johnjay: what's the output of "sudo efibootmgr -v | nc termbin.com 9999"
2021-05-15 11:19:08	johnjay	ubuntu will have no other systems before it
2021-05-15 11:19:18	akk	Installing grub and expecting it to find other linux distros isn't safe, particularly in current ubuntu.
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2021-05-15 11:19:33	MrElendig	I doubt anything changed regarding grub
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2021-05-15 11:19:51	MrElendig	but windows did probably change the boot order in the nvram
2021-05-15 11:19:55	akk	It tends to find the wrong kernel. I filed an ubuntu bug on that, and the maintainer said, I kid you not: "Multiple linux distros aren't really supported, that code is really just to find windows installs."
2021-05-15 11:19:59	johnjay	also gnome-terminal can't copy and paste apparently
2021-05-15 11:20:08	MrElendig	gnome-terminal can copy/paste just fine
2021-05-15 11:20:12	johnjay	https://termbin.com/blj0
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2021-05-15 11:20:28	MrElendig	C-s-v/C-s-c or mark/middle click both works
2021-05-15 11:20:31	 *	akk misses grub which worked so much better than grub2 and was so much easier to configure
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2021-05-15 11:20:33	EriC^^	johnjay: right now windows is first in the boot order
2021-05-15 11:20:54	MrElendig	akk: eh, grub config is only 2 lines more than grub legacy
2021-05-15 11:20:59	johnjay	EriC^^: oh i see. yes that explains why it booted that way earlier
2021-05-15 11:21:02	MrElendig	or if uefi, one line shorter
2021-05-15 11:21:10	ramzy	hey the CLI only ppl , how do you guys multitask
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2021-05-15 11:21:26	EriC^^	johnjay: type 'sudo mount /dev/sdc1 /mnt && ls -lR /mnt | nc termbin.com 9999'
2021-05-15 11:21:30	MrElendig	ramzy: sane people use a wm + TE's
2021-05-15 11:21:38	dostoyevsky	akk: It used to be so easy to get linux boot on a pc/laptop...
2021-05-15 11:21:54	MrElendig	ramzy: less sane people use tmux/screen on a tty, and the really insane people use plain tty
2021-05-15 11:22:00	MrElendig	with vt switching
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2021-05-15 11:22:16	akk	MrElendig: Maybe the problem is more with how debian and ubuntu use grub2, putting the config on / rather than /boot, adding complex scripts that overwrite the config file.
2021-05-15 11:22:29	MrElendig	akk: correct
2021-05-15 11:22:48	MrElendig	akk: nothing is stopping you from hand writing the config though
2021-05-15 11:22:48	akk	I admittedly haven't used grub2 on an arch or redhat or other non-debian system.
2021-05-15 11:22:55	akik	akk: ubuntu moved the config out of /boot/grub ?
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2021-05-15 11:23:08	johnjay	i already mounted it in /boot. one sec
2021-05-15 11:23:22	akk	MrElendig: Even when I try that I don't have much luck, though; e.g. I've tried 3 different ways to get a background image and none worked, I finally gave up.
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2021-05-15 11:24:08	akk	akik: /etc/grub.d/
2021-05-15 11:24:26	ramzy	MrElendig: TE's?
2021-05-15 11:24:44	ramzy	oh ok
2021-05-15 11:24:45	johnjay	https://termbin.com/2orq7
2021-05-15 11:24:45	akk	akik: There's a slew of scripts that run from apt installs of various packages that overwrite /boot/grub/grub.cfg
2021-05-15 11:25:23	johnjay	why would a package overwrite grub.cfg
2021-05-15 11:25:33	akk	akik: So if you have multiple distros, you're supposed to pick one that's allowed to update grub, and the rest shouldn't touch it
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2021-05-15 11:25:59	akk	so updating a kernel on one of those other distros doesn't get the new kernel used by grub unless you hand-edit.
2021-05-15 11:26:10	MrElendig	akk: https://bpa.st/KMPQ
2021-05-15 11:26:13	EriC^^	johnjay: do you want ubuntu or debian to control booting?
2021-05-15 11:26:14	akik	akk: i meant the boot time config
2021-05-15 11:26:30	adamik	ramzy: arent you already using dwm?
2021-05-15 11:26:47	ramzy	yep
2021-05-15 11:27:05	smlavine	mmm, dwm. comfy
2021-05-15 11:27:07	adamik	you have 9 'workspaces' and can swap windows between them in any orientation you want
2021-05-15 11:27:12	MrElendig	akk: debian, in their infinite visdom created a "update-grub" script that basically just calls 'grub-mkconfig > /boot/grub/grub.cfg' because that apparently is too hard
2021-05-15 11:27:22	adamik	how dont you multitask?
2021-05-15 11:27:22	akk	akik: The boot-time config is still in /boot, but if you edit it, your changes will be overwritten unless you make sure to disable all the updating scripts.
2021-05-15 11:27:41	akik	akk: yes i know
2021-05-15 11:28:02	MrElendig	akk: if you remove the unneded newlines from that paste up there, then it is shorter than a grub-legacy config :p
2021-05-15 11:28:12	ramzy	adamik: i was talking about the tty only ppl
2021-05-15 11:28:29	MrElendig	ramzy: linux console sucks, no sane person uses it as their daily driver
2021-05-15 11:28:33	johnjay	EriC^^: ubuntu but i gues it doesn't matter
2021-05-15 11:28:34	adamik	oh I see
2021-05-15 11:28:42	MrElendig	ramzy: too bad kmscon died, it was slightly less bad
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2021-05-15 11:29:02	EriC^^	johnjay: ok, do you know which partition is the ubuntu one on /dev/sdc?
2021-05-15 11:29:03	MrElendig	it actually supported things like more than 128/256 different characters
2021-05-15 11:29:07	johnjay	yes
2021-05-15 11:29:10	johnjay	/dev/sdc3
2021-05-15 11:29:16	smlavine	MrElendig: I used it for a few months when I was into Emacs, and just used Emacs for everything. Then I used EXWM, which is Emacs as a window manager. Now I use dwm
2021-05-15 11:29:48	EriC^^	johnjay: ok, type 'sudo umount /mnt && sudo mount /dev/sdc3 /mnt'
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2021-05-15 11:30:07	MrElendig	johnjay: ubuntu/debian/similar have to update their grub config every time you update the kernel since they keep the kernels seperated instead of just replacing it
2021-05-15 11:30:16	MrElendig	side effect: you end up with 20 kernels in /boot
2021-05-15 11:30:19	MrElendig	:p
2021-05-15 11:30:38	MrElendig	also slightly more work to write the config yourself
2021-05-15 11:30:51	johnjay	i see
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2021-05-15 11:31:13	johnjay	EriC^^: er i have /dev/sdc1 in /mnt/boot should i unmount that too?
2021-05-15 11:31:21	MrElendig	so every time you install/update any kernel package, it will rerun grub-mkconfig
2021-05-15 11:31:28	EriC^^	johnjay: yeah
2021-05-15 11:32:08	johnjay	ok. /mnt/ is the ubuntu install now
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2021-05-15 11:32:36	EriC^^	johnjay: great, type "for i in /dev /proc /sys /run; do sudo mount -R $i /mnt$i; done"
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2021-05-15 11:34:22	johnjay	ok
2021-05-15 11:34:34	EriC^^	johnjay: sudo chroot /mnt
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2021-05-15 11:35:45	johnjay	ok
2021-05-15 11:35:55	johnjay	should i run the grub command from here ?
2021-05-15 11:36:00	EriC^^	johnjay: no, type "mount /boot/efi"
2021-05-15 11:36:36	EriC^^	we'll reinstall the grub packages all together cause you mentioned missing modules and whatnot
2021-05-15 11:37:09	johnjay	ok
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2021-05-15 11:38:11	EriC^^	type "apt-get install --reinstall grub{,2}-common grub-efi-amd64{,-bin,-signed}"
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2021-05-15 11:39:05	johnjay	ok. this is updating the live environment i guess
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2021-05-15 11:39:31	johnjay	idk why it defaults to i386-pc if it's a ubuntu 18 x86_64 disk
2021-05-15 11:39:34	EriC^^	nah it should be reinstalling the packages inside the chroot, in the actual ubuntu os
2021-05-15 11:40:14	EriC^^	what do you mean?
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2021-05-15 11:40:42	EriC^^	it should say installing for x86_64
2021-05-15 11:40:46	johnjay	before i had to specify the target as x86_64
2021-05-15 11:40:52	johnjay	because it was saying installing for i386-pc
2021-05-15 11:41:12	johnjay	i see several askubuntu questions say to specify --target=x86_64 i suppose for that reason
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2021-05-15 11:41:24	johnjay	ok it says it finished
2021-05-15 11:41:29	EriC^^	johnjay: it might be that grub for legacy is also installed, it's the grub-pc package
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2021-05-15 11:42:10	EriC^^	you could remove it if you want "apt-get purge grub-pc"
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2021-05-15 11:42:21	johnjay	grub-pc and grub-pc-bin are listed from the live cd as amd64 packages
2021-05-15 11:42:43	EriC^^	what about in your actual install? try "dpkg -l | grep grub | nc termbin.com 9999" in the chroot
2021-05-15 11:42:46	johnjay	anyway so you think something messed up grub.cfg and this has repaired it?
2021-05-15 11:43:27	johnjay	https://termbin.com/6vey
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2021-05-15 11:44:08	EriC^^	johnjay: yeah ubuntu should be first in the boot order now, type "apt-get purge grub-pc-bin" as well
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2021-05-15 11:45:30	EriC^^	johnjay: when it's done type "exit" then try rebooting without the usb
2021-05-15 11:45:46	johnjay	it is. it also put it as a new entry 'ubuntu' at position 8 in efi
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2021-05-15 11:46:05	EriC^^	aha great
2021-05-15 11:46:14	johnjay	but yeah i had issues before because sometimes the debian grub would activate and sometimes the ubuntu one would
2021-05-15 11:46:20	johnjay	i know because i set their splash images differently
2021-05-15 11:46:53	johnjay	i thought if i disconnected the linux drive then installed windows on a new drive it wouldn't hurt grub
2021-05-15 11:46:58	johnjay	but i guess somehow it did
2021-05-15 11:47:07	EriC^^	yeah that'd be troublesome cause when they update the grub package they'll run grub-install and have priority of booting
2021-05-15 11:48:03	EriC^^	i dont know if you could just completely remove grub from debian so that it stops doing that, or maybe just pin the grub package so it never updates or something similar
2021-05-15 11:48:58	johnjay	ah ok. i didn't realize debian had scripts on purpose that might do that
2021-05-15 11:49:03	johnjay	silly me.
2021-05-15 11:49:26	EriC^^	johnjay: yeah it's cause the uefi list is actually saved in the motherboard, so windows put itself as first boot there
2021-05-15 11:50:00	johnjay	right
2021-05-15 11:50:07	EriC^^	yeah i think grub-install only runs when grub is reinstalled, i just tried to reinstall the kernel, and it only seems to run update-grub
2021-05-15 11:50:10	akk	EriC^^: You can completely remove it so it doesn't update. I've done that on systems where I used extlinux instead of grub.
2021-05-15 11:50:36	EriC^^	akk: won't it whine as grub being something's dependency?
2021-05-15 11:50:54	MrElendig	running grub-install on every kernel update would be rather silly
2021-05-15 11:51:14	akk	EriC^^: I don't think it did, but on the other hand I was installing extlinux and it's possible it met the same meta-dependency.
2021-05-15 11:51:32	EriC^^	running apt-cache rdepends on grub show the kernel has it as a dependency, but maybe cause you used extlinux it was ok
2021-05-15 11:51:36	EriC^^	yeah
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2021-05-15 11:54:05	johnjay	well. so does that mean updating the kernel may or may not reinstall grub?
2021-05-15 11:54:18	johnjay	through apt i mean
2021-05-15 11:54:30	EriC^^	johnjay: nah it wont, but if grub has some update, it'll get reinstalled on debian
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2021-05-15 11:55:45	EriC^^	it often does though, you could do apt-mark hold <grub packages> here so they dont get updated anymore and run when that happens
2021-05-15 11:56:03	EriC^^	on the debian system once you've booted into it of course
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2021-05-15 11:57:00	johnjay	the apt system is more complex than i thought
2021-05-15 11:57:30	miskatonic	not as complex as the pacman system
2021-05-15 11:57:54	EriC^^	or as powerful, from the little i've used pacman
2021-05-15 11:58:09	ramzy	wait ..can i run  7 WMs at the same time?
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2021-05-15 11:59:22	ramzy	since i have 7 ttys and i can start Xorg  on each 1
2021-05-15 12:00:02	miskatonic	yeah, ramz just needs to specify the particular wm on the commandline
2021-05-15 12:00:02	esselfe	ramzy: yeah I do that with 2 system at home
2021-05-15 12:00:25	esselfe	like Xorg vt8 :1 &
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2021-05-15 12:02:10	esselfe	then 'export DISPLAY=:1; fluxbox &'
2021-05-15 12:02:16	miskatonic	and the Xwrapper.config file needs to permit all users to start x on any tty, which is deprecated since a while
2021-05-15 12:02:39	ramzy	esselfe: maybe i can have a script that runs evevry time i boot that starts  dwm on tty1 and kde on tty2 (liku a normie mode)
2021-05-15 12:02:45	esselfe	my Xorg has suid set
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2021-05-15 12:03:01	esselfe	sure
2021-05-15 12:03:09	smlavine	ramzy: check `tty` output in your .xinitrc?
2021-05-15 12:03:10	adamik	miskatonic: pretty sure the Xwrapper default is console
2021-05-15 12:03:16	esselfe	I run it manually because I like it :P
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2021-05-15 12:04:29	miskatonic	I set allowed_users=anybody
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2021-05-15 12:06:59	adamik	that is handy for X11 forwarding
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2021-05-15 12:10:40	adamik	also have set needs_root_right=no
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2021-05-15 12:10:57	adamik	^right^rights
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2021-05-15 12:26:10	adamik	ramzy: I do use a script to login automatically to dwm if I do so from a particular tty.
2021-05-15 12:26:28	adamik	You can even use the same .xinitrc with a case statement for your thing.
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2021-05-15 12:27:36	adamik	example: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Xinit#Switching_between_desktop_environments/window_managers
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2021-05-15 12:33:28	hexnewbie	Choose whether to run Plasma or i3? Run plasma with i3 as WM! (Might as well run the XFCE panel on the other side of screen for completion)
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2021-05-15 12:35:30	adamik	like going into the closet and putting on every piece of clothing in there
2021-05-15 12:35:38	adamik	and walking around like that all day just for the hell of it
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2021-05-15 12:37:02	hexnewbie	Might have to if your conjoined twin has a radically different taste in clothes.
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2021-05-15 12:38:45	Nickwiz	I use Xephyr to run nested X's form time to time. Typically running automated gui tasks or what ever as it has it's own pointer etc.
2021-05-15 12:39:42	[R]	🎶 fly away on my zephyr...
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2021-05-15 12:43:12	hexnewbie	They lost me when they made it a spaceship.
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2021-05-15 12:44:03	naike0	Anyone can assist with Firefox not playing some video media? YouTube seems to work just fine, other sites simply don't. I don't know if there's something for video to be played I need to have installed on my system, it's a fresh install, so that just might be it. But I'm unsure what it could be.
2021-05-15 12:44:25	adamik	depends, naike0 maybe DRM is not enabled
2021-05-15 12:44:32	naike0	The message I am getting: This video file cannot be played.(Error Code: 102630)
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2021-05-15 12:44:42	hexnewbie	naike0: Are you using uBlock Origin, NoScript, or anything like that? Lack of Widevine is another thing, but Firefox autodownloads it
2021-05-15 12:45:00	naike0	Well, isn't DRM supposed to prompt me with a message to enable it?
2021-05-15 12:45:06	naike0	I do have it disabled, though.
2021-05-15 12:45:32	naike0	And yes, I do have uBlock origin. I tried whitelisting the site, but still a nope.
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2021-05-15 12:45:41	hexnewbie	naike0: I think disabling it means disabling the prompt (I could be wrong, and I would expect it would display an icon next to favicon warning you of that)
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2021-05-15 12:46:00	naike0	I see.
2021-05-15 12:46:32	hexnewbie	I noted that CBS doesn't play videos with uBlock Origin, because you have to wait for the 1 minute ad to play in whole before it serves you the actual 30 second video.
2021-05-15 12:46:43	adamik	naike0: you can check preferences > general and see if 'Play DRM controlled content' is checked.
2021-05-15 12:46:56	SuperSeriousCat	In the hamburger meny top-ish right you can go into help -> restart FF with add-ons disabled and test
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2021-05-15 12:47:58	naike0	adamik Sure, I'll try.
2021-05-15 12:48:03	akik	naike0: what video do you have problem with?
2021-05-15 12:48:18	hexnewbie	The official kb answer for the error is funny, though: https://support.mozilla.org/lt/kb/video-file-cannot-be-playederror-code-102630
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2021-05-15 12:48:28	naike0	Regular (raw) mp4 files play just fine in the browser. As well as YouTube.
2021-05-15 12:48:29	akik	naike0: i've disabled the video autoplay in firefox so that brings me some problems
2021-05-15 12:48:49	Nickwiz	Console could also likely give some hints
2021-05-15 12:48:50	adamik	what kind of problems?
2021-05-15 12:48:56	adamik	that doesnt seem right or natural
2021-05-15 12:49:01	akik	adamik: some videos refuse to play at all
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2021-05-15 12:49:43	akik	it's like the programmer didn't think disabling video autoplay would be an option
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2021-05-15 12:50:32	adamik	perhaps
2021-05-15 12:50:38	adamik	or it is by design
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2021-05-15 12:51:01	zothix	i made a script with docker that creates ssl certificate, it works well. but when i try to create wildcard certificate it gives this error : Client with the currently selected authenticator does not support any combination of challenges that will satisfy the CA. You may need to use an authenticator plugin that can do challenges over DNS. , my script : https://dpaste.org/54uw , my docker-compose file : https://dpaste.org/ovT4, Usage: ./start.sh <domain>
2021-05-15 12:51:02	zothix	<email>
2021-05-15 12:51:09	akik	naike0: what video do you have problem with?
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2021-05-15 12:51:30	naike0	I think it's some custom JS player.
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2021-05-15 12:51:34	adamik	I wouldnt expect to turn off some feature and not have some dark pattern emerge
2021-05-15 12:51:46	adamik	which is gently kneading me to turn it back on
2021-05-15 12:51:55	akik	naike0: i can't test a custom js player if i don't know the address to it
2021-05-15 12:51:55	Nickwiz	jwplayer perhaps, https://developer.jwplayer.com/jwplayer/docs/jw8-player-errors-reference
2021-05-15 12:51:55	hexnewbie	Given the amount of news sites that would autoplay a video next to an article, *and* unpause it seconds after you paste it, *and* move it over the text content, I'd say ‘by design’ is a plausible explanation, though some idiocy was involvedi n said design
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2021-05-15 12:52:56	naike0	Note that I did tweak my about:config quite a lot, so I might of broke certain things without being aware of that.
2021-05-15 12:53:08	akik	naike0: sure. about that video address?
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2021-05-15 12:54:01	naike0	akik https://videojs.com/
2021-05-15 12:54:04	Nickwiz	Just start FF with -p and create a fresh profile
2021-05-15 12:54:20	naike0	Says for me: No compatible source was found for this media.
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2021-05-15 12:54:39	akik	naike0: that video plays in firefox with ublock origin and privacy badger extensions enabled
2021-05-15 12:54:48	akik	and video autoplay disabled
2021-05-15 12:54:53	naike0	For me not.
2021-05-15 12:54:55	adamik	naike0: what reference did you use in tweaking your about:config?
2021-05-15 12:54:56	naike0	Why?
2021-05-15 12:55:01	naike0	Uh
2021-05-15 12:55:07	adamik	someone here may be energized enough to look through it and find a culprit maybe.
2021-05-15 12:55:38	akik	naike0: try installing ffmpeg packages to your system and restart firefox
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2021-05-15 12:55:53	naike0	See, that's what I thought too.
2021-05-15 12:56:09	naike0	It's a relatively fresh install. So I might be missing stuff. But wasn't sure what.
2021-05-15 12:56:10	akik	it wasn't about that drm setting either
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2021-05-15 12:56:36	naike0	I will give it a shot by installing ffmpeg.
2021-05-15 12:57:02	naike0	Is ffmpeg only required? Or ffmpeg-dev also.
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2021-05-15 12:57:25	akik	no -dev for this
2021-05-15 12:58:41	naike0	I will restart. Be right back.
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2021-05-15 12:58:59	akik	just needed a firefox restart
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2021-05-15 13:00:30	adamik	that sounds too refreshing
2021-05-15 13:00:36	adamik	like a glass of iced tea
2021-05-15 13:00:46	akik	or like a dark beer
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2021-05-15 13:01:09	xormor	ewww beer
2021-05-15 13:01:21	xormor	Jewwwww beer
2021-05-15 13:01:45	xormor	An ancient Egyptian drink
2021-05-15 13:01:54	akik	mmm https://images.alko.fi/images/cs_srgb,f_auto,t_medium/cdn/009772/velkopopovicky-kozel-dark.jpg
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2021-05-15 13:02:56	naike1	akik thanks a lot. It worked after installing ffmpeg!
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2021-05-15 13:03:17	akik	naike1: great
2021-05-15 13:04:40	naike1	That dude got some moves on that demo video though.
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2021-05-15 13:06:05	adamik	the finnish firefox whisperer
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2021-05-15 13:06:25	akik	you have wifi. i have fifi
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2021-05-15 13:14:21	Nickwiz	FI is common short for enemy in the military, Fiende. Nothing to do with suomalainen though :P
2021-05-15 13:15:24	esselfe	foe
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2021-05-15 13:20:12	adamik	stubbed me toe
2021-05-15 13:20:15	adamik	spit out me gum
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2021-05-15 13:29:20	dostoyevsky	my firefox has given up playing sound... but I can play sound when I use mpg123...
2021-05-15 13:30:05	adamik	isnt that preferable anyway, really?
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2021-05-15 13:31:09	Chaekyung	dostoyevsky: Firefox is likely trying to play audio to pulseaudio using Rust
2021-05-15 13:31:26	Chaekyung	dostoyevsky: so I'd start by checking if pulseaudio is working and if it is muted
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2021-05-15 13:32:22	dostoyevsky	Chaekyung: I've tried `mpg123 -v -o pulse file.mp3' no problem...
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2021-05-15 13:33:00	dostoyevsky	And I did `rm -rf  ~/.config/pulse; pulseaudio -k'
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2021-05-15 13:33:29	 *	pulse error: cannot send to output
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2021-05-15 13:34:35	akik	dostoyevsky: did you do pulseaudio --start ?
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2021-05-15 13:39:11	dostoyevsky	So, I did restart firefox and now it's playing music again...
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2021-05-15 13:40:17	dostoyevsky	What's odd: when I do `mpg123 -v -o alsa file.mp3' I can also still see it in pavucontrol -- I thought it would only show pulse audio streams...
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2021-05-15 13:40:45	[R]	dostoyevsky: a lot of dists install a little alsa wrapper thing that cuases it to get routed through pulse
2021-05-15 13:41:37	akik	anybody using pipewire in plasma 5? i got pipewire package in an update but the system still uses pulseaudio
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2021-05-15 13:41:54	akik	if i stop pulseaudio -> no sound
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2021-05-15 13:44:35	CordialCatto	I use pipewire, on archlinux there's an extra package for using pulse with pipewire
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2021-05-15 13:45:01	CordialCatto	pipewire-pulse
2021-05-15 13:45:42	akik	CordialCatto: do you have a pulseaudio process running?
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2021-05-15 14:00:28	hrtk	The probe function in usb device driver is called only if that device is not already attached to another driver. Is it possible to install a new driver that gets prioritized over the old driver and does some wrapper tasks then passes the control to the old driver again ?
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2021-05-15 14:01:09	velix	kill -9 init
2021-05-15 14:01:16	[R]	hrtk: no
2021-05-15 14:01:46	hexnewbie	velix: Kill the kernel!
2021-05-15 14:02:04	hrtk	[R]: So, if there exists two usb device drivers who say that they're compatible with the given device, which one is the kernel gonna choose ?
2021-05-15 14:02:08	velix	hexnewbie: I can live without systemd and without a kernel.
2021-05-15 14:02:34	hrtk	It does load both (module_init called), by choose I mean, whose probe function will be called.
2021-05-15 14:02:34	hexnewbie	velix: So did cavemen
2021-05-15 14:02:46	velix	hexnewbie: the fat guy from southpark ?
2021-05-15 14:02:56	johnjay	EriC^^: thanks for the tip. typing this from ubuntu right now
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2021-05-15 14:03:05	johnjay	how did you know that chroot was the right way to fix it?
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2021-05-15 14:04:37	akik	johnjay: you weren't the first to have to fix the boot loader
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2021-05-15 14:06:34	johnjay	well. i have to do it everytime i install windows
2021-05-15 14:06:49	johnjay	i foolishly thought unplugging the linux hard drive while i did it on a third drive would spare the burden
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2021-05-15 14:07:20	johnjay	also i probably could have done that ubuntu live option where it says to boot from an existing ubuntu installation...
2021-05-15 14:07:23	johnjay	maybe
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2021-05-15 14:09:14	hrtk	Also, why does the kernel load all the modules (module_init called) with matching module device table if it's not gonna call their probe functions ?
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2021-05-15 14:12:45	johnjay	the thing is in the past normally i can reinstall grub fine from the ubuntu cd
2021-05-15 14:12:59	johnjay	i don't recall getting errors about missing /cow system or then some obscure bug about device 0x4
2021-05-15 14:13:12	johnjay	i probably should make sure the cd i use is the same version as the ubuntu installed
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2021-05-15 14:15:39	EriC^^	johnjay: no problem, good to hear
2021-05-15 14:16:23	johnjay	i suppose the last question would be, where to go to learn more
2021-05-15 14:16:36	johnjay	i think the debian handbook talks about grub a little bit
2021-05-15 14:16:41	EriC^^	learn more about what, grub?
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2021-05-15 14:17:48	EriC^^	johnjay: if you want to learn more about grub i'd recommend reading this https://iam.tj/prototype/guides/boot/
2021-05-15 14:18:43	johnjay	well more about how to identify these kinds of problems i guess
2021-05-15 14:18:56	johnjay	i can't very well be running 3 different linux installs if i can't fix them overwriting each other's grub cfg
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2021-05-15 14:19:53	wigums	lol you guys are still trying to fix grub?
2021-05-15 14:20:02	johnjay	no. we've moved on to *understanding* grub
2021-05-15 14:20:10	johnjay	perhaps a futile notion.
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2021-05-15 14:20:38	[R]	what the hell is the point of having 3 installs
2021-05-15 14:20:39	[R]	lol
2021-05-15 14:21:17	hexnewbie	You want me to delete my historical Slackware 7 now?!
2021-05-15 14:21:18	johnjay	well the intention was something like, learn about the differences between ubuntu and debian
2021-05-15 14:21:24	johnjay	the practice is more like why did grub not work
2021-05-15 14:21:31	[R]	they're basically the same thing
2021-05-15 14:21:32	[R]	rofl
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2021-05-15 14:22:46	EriC^^	johnjay: if you read that website you should have a solid grasp of how grub works, from there it becomes a lot easier to troubleshoot anything that comes up
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2021-05-15 14:25:29	johnjay	ah ok thanks
2021-05-15 14:25:41	johnjay	yeah grub has always kind of been a mystery to me exactly how it works
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2021-05-15 14:26:11	[R]	step 1 load the kernel step 2 boot the kernel step 3 profit
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2021-05-15 14:26:14	EriC^^	if you read that site and understand the stuff, i'm pretty sure it'll be completely demystefied
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2021-05-15 14:27:31	EriC^^	you'll also learn abit about partition tables and other interesting useful to know stuff
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2021-05-15 14:28:46	dostoyevsky	pulse: Seems like you now also work form inside docker containers
2021-05-15 14:28:54	akik	i just managed to figure out how to boot a usb stick in both bios and uefi modes
2021-05-15 14:28:59	pulse	O_o
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2021-05-15 14:31:40	dostoyevsky	pulse: I was just missing: --env "PULSE_SERVER=unix:/run/user/$UID/pulse/native"
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2021-05-15 15:09:30	gambl0re	how can i check if i setup port forwarding correctly?
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2021-05-15 15:09:54	c705	test it
2021-05-15 15:10:01	gambl0re	im on this site https://canyouseeme.org and im testing port 80
2021-05-15 15:10:23	gambl0re	but it says that the service is not on?
2021-05-15 15:10:30	c705	guess it's not working then
2021-05-15 15:10:59	kilitary	━((*′д｀)爻(′д｀*))━!!!!
2021-05-15 15:11:00	gambl0re	if anyone can help me out send me a pm. thanks
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2021-05-15 15:11:16	gambl0re	ill be busy troubleshooting so i might miss your msg. thanks
2021-05-15 15:11:43	akik	gambl0re: isn't it a success if your port 80 is not open?
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2021-05-15 15:12:34	jessia	hey
2021-05-15 15:12:41	gambl0re	akik: i wanted to test if port forwarding was working on a different port i configured on my router
2021-05-15 15:12:47	gambl0re	but its showing that its not open
2021-05-15 15:12:57	jessia	what makes linux better than templeos
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2021-05-15 15:13:39	jim	jessia, it's really what you prefer
2021-05-15 15:13:39	sauvin	How about "under active development"?
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2021-05-15 15:14:04	jessia	jim: can it be used as a daily driver
2021-05-15 15:14:22	jim	I dunno what that is :)
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2021-05-15 15:15:25	jessia	jim: an OS made by terry A davis , written in holy C
2021-05-15 15:16:01	CommunistWolf	updates do require a seance these days
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2021-05-15 15:16:43	jessia	jim: also has lots of usefull features like flight simulator
2021-05-15 15:16:58	jessia	and god sketch
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2021-05-15 15:23:48	gambl0re	any network/sysadmins in here know anything about port forwarding?
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2021-05-15 15:57:03	jim	jessia, I didn't mean templeos (I know what that is (never used it though)), I meant, I dunno what "daily drivers" are
2021-05-15 15:57:36	jessia	jim: main computer u do ur things on
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2021-05-15 15:58:00	jessia	*personal computer also not work
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2021-05-15 15:58:53	jim	oh, ok,,, by the way, please use "you" and "you're", not u and ur (long-standing channel policy)
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2021-05-15 15:59:25	jjakob	does du -t exclude foles just from display or also from the size sums?
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2021-05-15 16:04:50	jim	jessia, I think Davis' purpose in making templeos, was as an attempt to contact god
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2021-05-15 16:05:44	jessia	jim: is there a fork without the god stuff
2021-05-15 16:06:08	jim	I would imagine software would not be included that went against that purpose... so at the very least, linux might have better software availablity
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2021-05-15 16:07:05	jessia	jim: wait isn't it POSAX complient?
2021-05-15 16:07:17	jim	if you're curious, go ahead and try it out, of course
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2021-05-15 16:07:49	jessia	jim: also its the prettiest os out there
2021-05-15 16:08:02	jim	dunno if templeos is posix compliand; I'm sure that many forms of linux are
2021-05-15 16:08:08	spareproject	reset
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2021-05-15 16:09:09	jim	like I say, try it out if you're curious
2021-05-15 16:09:20	caterfxo	distrowatch doesn't list a templeos, btw....
2021-05-15 16:09:32	jjakob	people are making pretty good games for it
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2021-05-15 16:09:58	jim	is templeos a version or distribution of linux?
2021-05-15 16:10:03	jjakob	no
2021-05-15 16:10:04	[R]	it has nothing to do with linux
2021-05-15 16:10:23	jim	oh ok, hence it being missing from distrowatch
2021-05-15 16:10:33	[R]	and jessia is obviously trolling
2021-05-15 16:10:36	[R]	are you seroisly that dense?
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2021-05-15 16:11:12	jessia	[R]: im curios
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2021-05-15 16:11:25	[R]	curious to see how long your crappy trolling can go on for?
2021-05-15 16:11:26	[R]	lol
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2021-05-15 16:11:34	jessia	[R]: if anyone can actually use this monstrosity
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2021-05-15 16:11:44	sauvin	TempleOS isn't Linux in any way, shape, form or stretch of a Twilight Zone imagination.
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2021-05-15 16:12:05	wigums	jessia TEMPLEOS IS AN OS CREATED BY A CRAZY DUDE
2021-05-15 16:12:06	jjakob	jessia: just search around a bit
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2021-05-15 16:12:32	caterfxo	LOL
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2021-05-15 16:12:56	jessia	wigums: but wouldn't using it make me look cool on the internet?
2021-05-15 16:13:05	jim	wigums, for a crazy dude, he did some interesting things
2021-05-15 16:13:13	wigums	jim SURE
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2021-05-15 16:14:41	CordialCatto	interesting, there's an active fork of TempleOS called ZenithOS
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2021-05-15 16:18:30	caterfxo	"...and includes new features such as networking."
2021-05-15 16:18:54	[R]	 does it also trun it into linux?
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2021-05-15 16:27:34	velix	[R]: Linux? Don't be offtopic please ;)
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2021-05-15 16:47:50	gamer99	hey
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2021-05-15 16:49:26	gamer99	is this where I ask questions for support ?
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2021-05-15 16:51:55	RayTracer	it could be
2021-05-15 16:52:27	gamer99	I'm following the arch wiki and trying to remove encryption on a drive in place. The command is hanging at 49% and it's been that way for 4 hours. The process is in uninterruptible sleep. Any idea what is going on ?
2021-05-15 16:53:20	gamer99	 I tried to look for documentation on it but it's all very vague for my understanding
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2021-05-15 16:56:31	RayTracer	I never did that process. Maybe dmesg tells something?
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2021-05-15 16:57:17	unixbsd	Thank you! I got the live-boot to work. Small and simple. The multifunction pendrive for travel! On 400MB, I managed to put Devuan Live (to ramdisk) with the content: C compiler (gcc and make), debootstrap, wpa_supplicant for wifi, fdisk, ifconfig, ifupdown, testdisk, vim, mpg123, partimage, xfsprogs, ntfs-3g, wodim, links, nano, ... and also: + NetBSD + Slackware.
2021-05-15 16:57:23	unixbsd	https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/pcmedkit/   work in progress!
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2021-05-15 16:58:54	gamer99	what should I look for ?
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2021-05-15 17:00:33	RayTracer	gamer99: scary stuff like i/o errors or alike; most of the time it's sufficient to "dmesg -T | tail -n 30" and see if those are "normal" or "something is wrong" lines
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2021-05-15 17:03:40	gamer99	[Sat May 15 21:02:27 2021] audit: type=1105 audit(1621112547.914:331): pid=14031 uid=1000 auid=1000 ses=1 subj==unconfined msg='op=PAM:session_open grantors=pam_limits,pam_unix,pam_permit acct="root" exe="/usr/bin/sudo" hostname=? addr=? terminal=/dev/pts/1 res=success'
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2021-05-15 17:03:53	gamer99	nothing seems out of the ordinary to me
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2021-05-15 17:08:49	superkuh	I'm cloning my sata ssd install to an nvme ssd for the first time. As far as device names go, the first nmve drive would be like, /dev/nvme0n1 not just /dev/nvme0  , right? In the context of paths for installing grub.
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2021-05-15 17:10:36	dostoyevsky	superkuh: that's how it is on my laptop... so the first partition on the first nvme drive is nvme0n1p1
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2021-05-15 17:12:20	superkuh	Okay. Thanks for the confirmation.
2021-05-15 17:12:24	dostoyevsky	It's great how I can have a 10g file open in vim on an nvme drive and search through it in 3s with ripgrep and then iterate through the results in vim
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2021-05-15 17:12:57	superkuh	http://superkuh.com/drive-clone-so-far.txt
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2021-05-15 17:14:42	dostoyevsky	superkuh: I read that external enclosures for nvme drive are not really good at preventing overheating... so be sure that the clone is throttled somewho to something like 100M/s
2021-05-15 17:15:00	hrtk	superkuh: While you're at it, do give a look at lvm cache pool.
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2021-05-15 17:15:55	superkuh	It's an internal drive in a big case, but I appreciate the tip.
2021-05-15 17:16:17	superkuh	hrtk, I keep it simple.
2021-05-15 17:16:29	dostoyevsky	touch the case from time to time, to check how hot it gets
2021-05-15 17:16:40	superkuh	It's in a desktop?
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2021-05-15 17:16:58	dostoyevsky	ah, already in the desktop?
2021-05-15 17:17:09	hrtk	superkuh: cache pool could help you have better performance from your old hdd as well, if you so desire.
2021-05-15 17:17:13	dostoyevsky	Ok, nvm.. there will be a fan somewhere
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2021-05-15 17:17:25	MrElendig	superkuh: https://nvmexpress.org/resources/nvm-express-technology-features/nvme-namespaces/
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2021-05-15 17:17:48	MrElendig	superkuh: a nvme drive may have more than one namespace (most don't), that is what the n1 means
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2021-05-15 17:18:03	superkuh	Excellent. Thanks MrElendig.
2021-05-15 17:18:07	MrElendig	superkuh: sidenote: file level copy is generally nicer than block level cloning
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2021-05-15 17:18:16	MrElendig	when porting to a new drive
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2021-05-15 17:18:24	dostoyevsky	MrElendig: so the 2nd nvme drive would be /dev/nvme1 ?
2021-05-15 17:18:32	MrElendig	yes
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2021-05-15 17:18:55	MrElendig	you should not rely on that naming though, use uuid/labels
2021-05-15 17:19:04	MrElendig	in fstab/bootloader/etc
2021-05-15 17:19:30	superkuh	I do. This is just for installing grub.
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2021-05-15 17:20:26	dostoyevsky	MrElendig: I kind of prefer the dev names, e.g. when I cloned my nvme drive last week, the system didn't boot anymore, because the uuid was gone, and the new nvme0 had a new one
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2021-05-15 17:21:36	MrElendig	dostoyevsky: fare more likely for the dev name to change
2021-05-15 17:21:54	MrElendig	uuid will only change if you reformat, PARTUUID will only change if you mess with the partition table
2021-05-15 17:21:59	superkuh	Welp, grub install failed. For unrelated reasons.
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2021-05-15 17:22:23	MrElendig	dev name can change from kernel upgrade, other hardware changes, firmware update, etc etc
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2021-05-15 17:28:39	superkuh	How do I copy just the first 2MB from one drive to another?
2021-05-15 17:28:44	superkuh	Unpartitioned space.
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2021-05-15 17:29:36	MrElendig	man dd, see bs and count options
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2021-05-15 17:31:46	dostoyevsky	MrElendig: Did e.g. `/dev/sda1' use a different naming scheme at some point?  I think it was actually always called that
2021-05-15 17:32:17	MrElendig	hdXY for old ata driver
2021-05-15 17:32:40	MrElendig	s stands cor scsi, but now basically everything that isn't nvme uses the scsi framework in the kernel
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2021-05-15 17:33:22	dostoyevsky	so serial ata are similar to scsi drives?
2021-05-15 17:33:59	MrElendig	the newer pata driver for ide disks  uses the scsi framework in the kernel
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2021-05-15 17:34:17	MrElendig	framework/subsystem
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2021-05-15 17:35:32	dostoyevsky	Ok... Well, I always wondered what happened to scsi... I used scsi drives for my first freebsd servers... was great because the cpu wouldn't freeze on disk access, unlike ide drives... so the mouse always moved smoothly while the drive was rattling
2021-05-15 17:35:34	foul_owl	How do I determine the date and time of the most recent file modified in a directory?
2021-05-15 17:35:43	MrElendig	scsi is still around
2021-05-15 17:35:51	foul_owl	(including subdirectories)
2021-05-15 17:36:13	MrElendig	mostly in the form of SAS
2021-05-15 17:36:21	MrElendig	and iscsi of course
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2021-05-15 17:36:27	akik	foul_owl: ls -ltr sorts it by time
2021-05-15 17:36:31	CommunistWolf	mmmm, iscsi
2021-05-15 17:36:33	esselfe	foul_owl: ls -ltr?
2021-05-15 17:36:38	MrElendig	fibre channel is also still quite popular
2021-05-15 17:36:53	CommunistWolf	eye scuzzy*
2021-05-15 17:37:19	MrElendig	foul_owl: don't parse ls, use find
2021-05-15 17:37:38	MrElendig	or a better shell *coughZSHcough*
2021-05-15 17:37:51	akik	gezshundheit
2021-05-15 17:38:19	foul_owl	I use zsh but I'm not sure how to use that here
2021-05-15 17:38:22	MrElendig	echo  *(om[1])
2021-05-15 17:38:22	foul_owl	Thank you!
2021-05-15 17:38:36	foul_owl	I would imagine some sort of find command would do the trick
2021-05-15 17:38:38	MrElendig	or drop the index if you want the full list, or use a range
2021-05-15 17:39:04	MrElendig	O if you don't want dirs
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2021-05-15 17:39:17	MrElendig	er.. O for the reverse
2021-05-15 17:39:24	foul_owl	recursive?
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2021-05-15 17:39:56	MrElendig	can use ** for recursing, there are some gotchas though
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2021-05-15 17:40:50	MrElendig	for find there is -newer and -mtime
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2021-05-15 17:41:38	foul_owl	Thank you!
2021-05-15 17:41:45	MrElendig	there is also stat and sort
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2021-05-15 17:42:19	LambdaComplex	so does the best practice for building RPMs involve putting all source tarballs and patch/service/etc files (regardless of what they're for) directly in the ~/rpmbuild/SOURCES/ directory? or should i realistically be making a per-program subdirectory under SOURCES? (i definitely feel like i don't actually know what i'm doing)
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2021-05-15 17:44:11	MrElendig	LambdaComplex: clean chroot for each package, there are tools around for automating it
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2021-05-15 17:44:52	LambdaComplex	MrElendig: that makes sense too
2021-05-15 17:45:01	LambdaComplex	Arch is so much easier :(
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2021-05-15 17:46:49	MrElendig	if using rpmbuild you can stuff multiple packages in one "repo" but it can get a bit messy
2021-05-15 17:47:12	MrElendig	rpm-build*
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2021-05-15 17:48:58	CL1K	hi
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2021-05-15 17:50:32	MrElendig	LambdaComplex: https://rpm-packaging-guide.github.io/ is not too horrible for the everything in one tree approach
2021-05-15 17:51:28	MrElendig	LambdaComplex: also see mock for some conveniency functionality when building binary packages
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2021-05-15 17:51:42	MrElendig	there are a few others too
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2021-05-15 17:53:48	MrElendig	LambdaComplex: per project rpmbuild tree or a single one is really down to personal preference
2021-05-15 17:54:13	LambdaComplex	is there a reason for this all to be so confusing?
2021-05-15 17:54:59	MrElendig	single tree approach probably comes from the use of cvs
2021-05-15 17:55:20	MrElendig	and ftp
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2021-05-15 17:57:00	lxsameer	hey folks, what file manager are you using with your "window manager"?
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2021-05-15 17:57:48	Prestige	ls
2021-05-15 17:58:00	Prestige	rm, mv, fd
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2021-05-15 17:58:29	CommunistWolf	nautilus comes with gnome and is fine enough
2021-05-15 17:59:48	lxsameer	i'm looking for an alternative for pcmanfm, with a window manager and not a desktop env
2021-05-15 18:00:10	Prestige	What's wrong with pcmanfm?
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2021-05-15 18:02:08	Nickwiz	pcmanfm is my guilty pleasure.
2021-05-15 18:02:32	Nickwiz	Usually terminal, but , every blue moon ...
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2021-05-15 18:03:53	lxsameer	Prestige: it's not maintained and it's gonna be removed from my distro
2021-05-15 18:04:13	akik	lxsameer: mc
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2021-05-15 18:05:01	Prestige	nautilus, nemo, dolphin, thunar
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2021-05-15 18:07:44	Nickwiz	Where does it say pcmanfm is discontinued?
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2021-05-15 18:08:24	Nickwiz	which distro? Latest release was february 2021 ... https://blog.lxde.org/category/pcmanfm/
2021-05-15 18:09:06	sumthing1980	hello people pls help me enabling the beep command from inside a php script running on apache
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2021-05-15 18:10:42	Prestige	beep command?
2021-05-15 18:10:55	sumthing1980	beep
2021-05-15 18:10:57	sumthing1980	yes
2021-05-15 18:11:02	sumthing1980	I can run it in terminal
2021-05-15 18:11:12	sumthing1980	but inside php it is a different user
2021-05-15 18:11:19	sumthing1980	www-data I think
2021-05-15 18:11:30	sumthing1980	how do you switch user and run command
2021-05-15 18:12:10	Prestige	Oh I see https://linux.die.net/man/1/beep hadn't heard of this. Idk php though
2021-05-15 18:13:04	MrElendig	there are usually a better solution that using beep
2021-05-15 18:13:09	MrElendig	(and php :p)
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2021-05-15 18:13:23	Prestige	Agreed
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2021-05-15 18:14:37	CordialCatto	does anyone ever learn tools like sed and awk? always find myself looking up how to use them
2021-05-15 18:15:16	sumthing1980	this is a linux question, I cant run beep from inside apache php because the user is www-data
2021-05-15 18:15:24	sumthing1980	and it says error could not upen any device
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2021-05-15 18:15:47	sumthing1980	how can I enable running that command like it works for my normal user
2021-05-15 18:16:02	Prestige	CordialCatto: I learned the basics, so I usually don't have to look anything up. Or just check the man page
2021-05-15 18:16:11	Prestige	but if it's infrequent there isn't much of a point
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2021-05-15 18:23:40	akoana	sumthing1980: it is explained there (in the "Ioctl Wackiness" section): https://linux.die.net/man/1/beep
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2021-05-15 18:27:03	sumthing1980	akoana: looking into it
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2021-05-15 18:32:23	sumthing1980	akoana: I did  chmod 4755 /usr/bin/beep
2021-05-15 18:32:31	sumthing1980	now I cant run it from terminal
2021-05-15 18:32:33	sumthing1980	as normal user
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2021-05-15 18:33:21	akoana	you have to add the users you want to allow beep into the correct group
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2021-05-15 18:33:59	akoana	sumthing1980: what does ls -l /usr/bin/beep show for the group?
2021-05-15 18:34:12	sumthing1980	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 May 16 00:19 /dev/input/by-path/platform-pcspkr-event-spkr -> ../event7
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2021-05-15 18:35:19	akoana	sumthing1980: did you read the man page, the last 3 lines in the "Ioctl Wackiness" section?
2021-05-15 18:35:31	sumthing1980	Im there
2021-05-15 18:35:43	sumthing1980	did first command chmod 4755 /usr/bin/beep
2021-05-15 18:35:53	sumthing1980	then it stopped working for my normal user
2021-05-15 18:36:36	akoana	did you chgrp beep /usr/bin/beep?
2021-05-15 18:36:56	sumthing1980	no
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2021-05-15 18:37:42	akoana	so you need to create a group named beep:  sudo groupadd beep
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2021-05-15 18:37:57	sumthing1980	ok
2021-05-15 18:37:58	sumthing1980	done
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2021-05-15 18:38:12	akoana	then   sudo chgrp beep /usr/bin/beep
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2021-05-15 18:38:39	akoana	and then  sudo chmod 4750 /usr/bin/beep
2021-05-15 18:39:41	sumthing1980	do I need to change perms for target?
2021-05-15 18:39:47	sumthing1980	 /usr/bin/beep links to another file
2021-05-15 18:39:59	raxor2k	https://bpa.st/S2PA  could someone help with line 5 in second file? I want the docker container to automatically reload when i upload new files
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2021-05-15 18:40:21	akoana	sumthing1980: to what file?
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2021-05-15 18:40:39	sumthing1980	crwxr-xr-x+ 1 root input 13, 71 May 16 00:19 /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-15 18:41:01	sumthing1980	ok so I need to add my normal user to the beep group too?
2021-05-15 18:41:10	akoana	yes
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2021-05-15 18:41:19	dTal	The Beep Group
2021-05-15 18:41:21	dTal	good band name
2021-05-15 18:41:31	foul_owl	Is it possible to mount two lvs with the same name? (both named "root") the vg name is different
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2021-05-15 18:41:46	sumthing1980	ok so
2021-05-15 18:41:55	loeken	<raxor2k> you most likely want to map your code as a volume and use something like nodemon to reload the changes
2021-05-15 18:42:16	sumthing1980	how do I add www-data me and root to that group?
2021-05-15 18:42:18	akoana	sumthing1980: you need to logout and login again to make the new group working
2021-05-15 18:42:33	sumthing1980	ok
2021-05-15 18:44:03	sumthing1980	usermod?
2021-05-15 18:44:13	akoana	usermod -a -G group user   adds the user to group
2021-05-15 18:44:38	akoana	so usermod -a -G www-data beep    for example
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2021-05-15 18:45:00	sumthing1980	group user or user grop
2021-05-15 18:45:09	akoana	errm usermod -a -G beep www-data
2021-05-15 18:45:23	esselfe	-aG group username
2021-05-15 18:45:54	akoana	^^, yes first groupnname then username
2021-05-15 18:45:59	sumthing1980	ok
2021-05-15 18:46:01	akoana	s/nn/n/
2021-05-15 18:46:08	sumthing1980	so 10 minuts back when I followed the instructions
2021-05-15 18:46:14	sumthing1980	the beep was working fine
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2021-05-15 18:46:29	akoana	for you, but not for www-data
2021-05-15 18:46:37	sumthing1980	now it doesnt after the chmod 4755 /usr/bin/beep command
2021-05-15 18:46:48	sumthing1980	since 10 minutes
2021-05-15 18:46:56	akoana	do the chmod on the target
2021-05-15 18:47:22	akoana	/dev/input/event7
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2021-05-15 18:48:18	sumthing1980	crwxr-xr-x+ 1 root input 13, 71 May 16 00:19 /dev/input/event7
2021-05-15 18:48:22	sumthing1980	it is a+x already
2021-05-15 18:48:39	akoana	before you have to    chgrp beep /dev/input/event7
2021-05-15 18:48:40	sumthing1980	but now when I do sudo beep it says
2021-05-15 18:48:45	sumthing1980	sudo beep
2021-05-15 18:48:45	sumthing1980	beep: Error: Running under sudo, which is not supported for security reasons.
2021-05-15 18:48:45	sumthing1980	beep: Error: Set up permissions for the pcspkr evdev device file instead.
2021-05-15 18:49:24	akoana	yes, because owner is root and group is input, so change that with  chgrp beep /dev/input/event7
2021-05-15 18:49:35	sumthing1980	nope now no one can run beep :)
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2021-05-15 18:50:08	akoana	and then   chmod 4755 /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-15 18:50:50	sumthing1980	nope still no beep from sudo or normal user
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2021-05-15 18:51:26	sumthing1980	maybe I should uninstall and reinstall beep
2021-05-15 18:51:29	akoana	what is the output of ls -l /dev/input/event7
2021-05-15 18:51:44	sumthing1980	crwsr-xr-x+ 1 root beep 13, 71 May 16 00:19 /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-15 18:52:12	sumthing1980	should I reinstall it?
2021-05-15 18:52:12	akoana	what groups does the  id   command show for your user?
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2021-05-15 18:53:50	sumthing1980	uid=1000(x) gid=1000(x) groups=1000(x),4(adm),24(cdrom),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),46(plugdev),114(lpadmin),134(sambashare),1001(beep)
2021-05-15 18:53:54	sumthing1980	1001 beep
2021-05-15 18:54:18	akoana	well, and what error do you get?
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2021-05-15 18:54:45	sumthing1980	permission denied
2021-05-15 18:54:53	sumthing1980	some other channel suggested setfacl -m u:www-data:rw /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-15 18:55:21	akoana	and did you try that=
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2021-05-15 18:55:22	akoana	?
2021-05-15 18:56:03	sumthing1980	now I did didnt work
2021-05-15 18:56:11	sumthing1980	wait you said logout ?
2021-05-15 18:56:24	akoana	yes, re-login
2021-05-15 18:56:31	sumthing1980	hm no doesnt work
2021-05-15 18:56:36	sumthing1980	should I restart>
2021-05-15 18:56:37	sumthing1980	?
2021-05-15 18:56:47	loeken	log out from your user session
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2021-05-15 18:57:00	loeken	a restart would have the same affect ;)
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2021-05-15 18:57:53	sumthing1980	okay so I removed and installed beep again
2021-05-15 18:58:03	sumthing1980	now it works for normal and super user
2021-05-15 18:58:13	sumthing1980	nvm not for su
2021-05-15 18:58:33	akoana	strange, what does ls -l /dev/input/event7 show now?
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2021-05-15 18:59:49	sumthing1980	aha it works now
2021-05-15 18:59:55	sumthing1980	no idea what fixed it
2021-05-15 19:00:13	loeken	the relog ;) ?
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2021-05-15 19:01:27	sumthing1980	relogin didnt work beep was messed up permission denied so I reinstalled and now it works from inside php
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2021-05-15 19:01:36	sumthing1980	???
2021-05-15 19:01:37	akoana	sumthing1980: I don't know what you were doing, did you reinstalled beep?
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2021-05-15 19:01:52	sumthing1980	I reinstalled beep because it didnt work for my normal user
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2021-05-15 19:02:03	sumthing1980	then some of the previous commands must have fixed it
2021-05-15 19:02:08	akoana	so what does  ls -l /dev/input/event7 show now?
2021-05-15 19:02:26	sumthing1980	crwsrw-r-x+ 1 root beep 13, 71 May 16 00:19 /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-15 19:02:47	akoana	ok
2021-05-15 19:03:36	sumthing1980	thanks a lot akoana dont know what did fix it but something did
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2021-05-15 19:04:55	sumthing1980	if /dev/input/event7 is group beep
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2021-05-15 19:05:06	sumthing1980	and I added myself and www-data to it previoiusly
2021-05-15 19:05:14	akoana	sumthing1980: creating a new group "beep", adding the users to that group and chgrp and chmod /dev/input/event7  did that
2021-05-15 19:05:19	sumthing1980	and it is working from there right?
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2021-05-15 19:05:30	akoana	yes
2021-05-15 19:05:33	sumthing1980	noice
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2021-05-15 19:05:54	sumthing1980	I thank you
2021-05-15 19:06:03	sumthing1980	thank you
2021-05-15 19:06:32	akoana	it won't survive a reboot though, so you have to put that in a script that should be run after boot
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2021-05-15 19:07:28	akoana	because the /dev directory hierarchy isn't permanent
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2021-05-15 19:12:48	akoana	(the script should contain the chgrp and chmod stuff)
2021-05-15 19:14:13	marcodiego	output from "cat /proc/asound/card*/codec* | grep Codec" gives "Codec: Realtek ALC3221", what should I put in "options snd-hda-intel model=" on my "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" so I can record audio?
2021-05-15 19:14:17	dostoyevsky	hmmm.. I am using XGetPixel to make a screenshot of an X11 window - but turns out it's not considering that the window might be covered by another window
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2021-05-15 19:15:36	ramzy411	there is this package "zbarimg" that i can't find in pacman or the aur
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2021-05-15 19:16:02	ramzy411	how can i install it or iswthe an alternative
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2021-05-15 19:16:26	ramzy411	CLA ofc and not bloated
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2021-05-15 19:16:49	dostoyevsky	ramzy411: extra/zbar 0.23.1-6
2021-05-15 19:17:18	ramzy411	thanks
2021-05-15 19:17:19	dostoyevsky	% pacman -F zbarimg
2021-05-15 19:17:33	dostoyevsky	(but you need to download the indexes first)
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2021-05-15 19:17:47	ramzy411	the first one worked :)
2021-05-15 19:18:08	dostoyevsky	I use arch, btw
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2021-05-15 19:18:25	ramzy411	ye lol
2021-05-15 19:18:34	loeken	is this zbarimg a node module?
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2021-05-15 19:18:57	Nickwiz	akoana: Have not read the conversation, But why is chgrp needed when beep has setuid set (4755)?
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2021-05-15 19:19:34	akoana	good point
2021-05-15 19:19:58	sumthing1980	no idea just pressing all the buttons hoping something works
2021-05-15 19:20:24	Nickwiz	Is it Ubuntu?
2021-05-15 19:20:27	sumthing1980	mint
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2021-05-15 19:21:36	loeken	sumthing1980> no idea just pressing all the buttons hoping something works <- pro tip: do backups first :p
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2021-05-15 19:21:50	akoana	actually it should have been chmod 4750
2021-05-15 19:21:50	sumthing1980	yea thanks
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2021-05-15 19:22:49	Nickwiz	On Ubuntu it looks like one have to load pcspkr module
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2021-05-15 19:24:02	akoana	Nickwiz: it was suggested to restrict access to the beep group (in the "Ioctl Wackiness" section, last 3 lines): https://linux.die.net/man/1/beep
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2021-05-15 19:25:52	dostoyevsky	hmm... so xwd can also make screenshots of windows but will not remove windows covering it
2021-05-15 19:26:05	akoana	Nickwiz: and somehow in our conversation the chmod 4750 turned into 4755 mistakenly
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2021-05-15 19:27:14	Nickwiz	akoana: Interesting. More to beep then a beep :)
2021-05-15 19:27:25	akoana	heh, indeed
2021-05-15 19:30:36	sumthing1980	yea in one part it says chmod 4755 in another 4750 why
2021-05-15 19:30:43	Nickwiz	I like the somewhat relaxed language in that readme
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2021-05-15 19:32:09	akoana	sumthing1980: 4750 is for the restriction to the beep group, 4755 would allow beep for everyone
2021-05-15 19:32:47	Nickwiz	“The one snag is that this will give any little nitwit the ability to run beep successfully […]”
2021-05-15 19:32:49	sumthing1980	ok
2021-05-15 19:33:17	[R]	it's like that song... 🎶 beep beep... beep beep... his horn went beep... beep... beep...
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2021-05-15 19:33:48	Nickwiz	while :; do beep; done
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2021-05-15 19:34:35	loeken	i have one question: why do you want to hear beeps :p ?
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2021-05-15 19:35:30	sumthing1980	to hear when someone access my website
2021-05-15 19:35:34	sumthing1980	its not that loud
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2021-05-15 19:35:42	sumthing1980	-f 19000 -l 50
2021-05-15 19:35:59	akoana	loeken: I guess nobody likes to be deaf :)
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2021-05-15 19:36:49	loeken	we did have a signal in our old office that played the national anthem of the country from which the user signed up, i hope you will face the same problem :)
2021-05-15 19:36:56	loeken	we decided to turn it off as it got quite annoying :D
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2021-05-15 19:37:21	sumthing1980	every new user?
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2021-05-15 19:38:09	[R]	its like that episode of the office
2021-05-15 19:38:14	[R]	where dwight was competing against the computer
2021-05-15 19:38:19	[R]	and they rang the bell every time he made a sale
2021-05-15 19:40:28	Nickwiz	Or Gilfoyle's bitcoin alarm hah
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2021-05-15 19:40:57	[R]	that show was dumb
2021-05-15 19:41:19	sumthing1980	silicon valley?
2021-05-15 19:41:24	[R]	yes
2021-05-15 19:41:33	sumthing1980	I liked it
2021-05-15 19:41:45	Nickwiz	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS1KcjkWdoU
2021-05-15 19:41:56	[R]	i suppose you like big bang theory as well
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2021-05-15 19:42:04	sumthing1980	no not that one
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2021-05-15 19:43:13	sumthing1980	hehe
2021-05-15 19:43:54	Nickwiz	I used https://github.com/soimort/translate-shell/ to get my PC to deliver messages to me, piped trough sox for speed and pitch, but got a bit irritating after a while lol
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2021-05-15 19:44:57	sumthing1980	well the series was interesting for me because of tech startups etc
2021-05-15 19:44:58	Nickwiz	One can download text-to-speak as soundfiles only (uses google). THe others are broken last I checked.
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2021-05-15 19:45:23	superkuh	I use Festival 1.96 with some custom voices.
2021-05-15 19:45:26	loeken	<sumthing1980> every new user? <- yeah whenever a new user registered on the website
2021-05-15 19:45:35	loeken	we're in the crypto biz so we got quite a few ;)
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2021-05-15 19:45:45	sumthing1980	with beeps or mp3
2021-05-15 19:45:49	 *	[R] encrypts loeken 
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2021-05-15 19:46:06	sumthing1980	any tips for getting rich?
2021-05-15 19:46:08	superkuh	I have perl scripts for monitoring logs that both beep and TTS.
2021-05-15 19:46:43	sumthing1980	see people understand the usefulness of beeps
2021-05-15 19:46:46	[R]	sumthing1980: make more money then you spend
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2021-05-15 19:46:55	sumthing1980	good idea
2021-05-15 19:47:01	[R]	glad i could help
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2021-05-15 19:47:13	phogg	get lucky with investments
2021-05-15 19:47:22	 *	[R] invests in some sweet phogg memes
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2021-05-15 19:47:40	phogg	are there phogg memes?
2021-05-15 19:47:54	[R]	of course there are
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2021-05-15 19:48:49	dostoyevsky	I have used `jp2a --colors o/t.jpg' to display a jpg as ascii, but the result does look... just garbled
2021-05-15 19:49:41	 *	rascul invests 2 beers in phogg
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2021-05-15 19:50:12	dostoyevsky	rascul: why not beercoins?
2021-05-15 19:50:30	akoana	superkuh: festival is funny, especially the singing feature...
2021-05-15 19:50:37	 *	dostoyevsky invests two rasculcoins in ##linux
2021-05-15 19:50:59	[R]	whats the conversion ratio from beercoins to rasculcoins?
2021-05-15 19:51:04	loeken	i do have 1 device that beeps too on login ( my firewall :) )
2021-05-15 19:51:13	dostoyevsky	why not nft everything?  iptables was just the beginning!!
2021-05-15 19:51:18	sumthing1980	good
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2021-05-15 19:51:32	sumthing1980	beeps should be more incorporated into IT
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2021-05-15 19:51:47	[R]	beeps are bad
2021-05-15 19:51:49	[R]	not informational
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2021-05-15 19:51:59	dostoyevsky	beepcoins are undervalued
2021-05-15 19:52:00	sumthing1980	it is a sense we are underutilizing in our human to machine interfaces
2021-05-15 19:52:06	superkuh	Beep pitch scaling with tcp packet size sonification.
2021-05-15 19:52:13	loeken	altough if i were you i would rather look into setting up prometheus/grafana and some log service and create some dashboards to show you stats on your website ;)
2021-05-15 19:52:37	[R]	loeken: i like to call it grufana
2021-05-15 19:52:43	sumthing1980	beeps are not informational? you can choose frequency and length
2021-05-15 19:52:52	[R]	sumthing1980: that's what she said
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2021-05-15 19:53:31	sumthing1980	short tiny beep vs low tone BÖÖÖÖ
2021-05-15 19:53:51	sumthing1980	youll know an error from casual beep
2021-05-15 19:54:35	SYNTAXX-3RR0R	Hey. If I add ~/test/dir/ to PATH, will the dirs in ~/test/dir/ also be to path?
2021-05-15 19:54:44	phogg	You can't fool me, computers beep every time a window opens. I learned that watching the movies.
2021-05-15 19:54:44	SYNTAXX-3RR0R	If not, then how do i add them?
2021-05-15 19:54:51	phogg	SYNTAXX-3RR0R: no
2021-05-15 19:55:01	phogg	SYNTAXX-3RR0R: you must add each dir separately
2021-05-15 19:55:17	dostoyevsky	imho beep should have a --napalmdeath parameter
2021-05-15 19:55:30	sumthing1980	Ive been looking for a program that makes the computer experience like in the movies with beeps and ticks and sounds for all computer interaction
2021-05-15 19:55:39	phogg	SYNTAXX-3RR0R: there should be no reason for you to want to have PATH be recursive. If you find yourself wanting that something has already gone wrong.
2021-05-15 19:56:20	dostoyevsky	sumthing1980: there are some matrix screensavers
2021-05-15 19:56:22	phogg	SYNTAXX-3RR0R: you may find that making a bin dir and auto-populating it with symlinks based on find selection does what you want. You must decide how to resolve collisions, though
2021-05-15 19:56:58	[R]	phogg: 🎶 when files collide...
2021-05-15 19:57:14	phogg	sumthing1980: I got my fill of that with the Windows 95 plus pack, or whatever it was called. It had many sound themes and you could set up sounds for everything. It gets old in *minutes*.
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2021-05-15 19:57:42	[R]	phogg: most of those themes were ugly
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2021-05-15 19:57:56	phogg	especially when the sound sample takes many times longer to play than the action/animation
2021-05-15 19:58:01	sumthing1980	ok not only for gui interaction but inside programs as well
2021-05-15 19:58:13	sumthing1980	Ive used them too
2021-05-15 19:58:49	phogg	sumthing1980: with gtk2 you could have made a theme engine which reacted to widget interaction with sounds. With gtk3 it would be more difficult.
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2021-05-15 19:59:27	[R]	phogg: what about gtk4?
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2021-05-15 20:00:06	phogg	[R]: nobody uses that
2021-05-15 20:00:14	[R]	not with that attitude!
2021-05-15 20:00:28	phogg	that's the idea!
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2021-05-15 20:40:55	untakenstupidnic	gtlsgamer: where did you get that gif on the github page?
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2021-05-15 20:57:51	raxor2k	https://bpa.st/A6TQ  someone can plz help me with this error ?
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2021-05-15 20:59:04	[R]	raxor2k: sounds like you should fix the key its complaining about...
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2021-05-15 21:00:56	raxor2k	R: that didnt tell me much ?
2021-05-15 21:01:14	[R]	it tells you exactly what is wrong...
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2021-05-15 21:01:49	akik	raxor2k: try adding a : to testnetwork:
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2021-05-15 21:02:33	raxor2k	wait a sec here.. line 20: it should be backend instead of frontend ?
2021-05-15 21:02:48	sumthing1980	do you guys know btrfs?
2021-05-15 21:02:55	[R]	sumthing1980: who is that
2021-05-15 21:02:55	akik	sumthing1980: yes
2021-05-15 21:03:07	sumthing1980	Im wondering about the advantages
2021-05-15 21:03:29	sumthing1980	I want very small block sizes
2021-05-15 21:03:32	akik	sumthing1980: snapshots, copy-on-write, compression
2021-05-15 21:03:34	sumthing1980	and many files
2021-05-15 21:03:40	[R]	sumthing1980: well its got volumes
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2021-05-15 21:03:42	[R]	and compression
2021-05-15 21:03:48	sumthing1980	most of the files will be ascii type
2021-05-15 21:03:59	sumthing1980	web crawler
2021-05-15 21:04:02	akik	raxor2k: line 20 is just the docker image name
2021-05-15 21:04:05	[R]	filesystems dont care what you store in the files
2021-05-15 21:04:06	sumthing1980	tons of individual files not a db
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2021-05-15 21:04:24	sumthing1980	but many smaller than blocksize
2021-05-15 21:04:32	sumthing1980	is blocksize 4kb on ext4?
2021-05-15 21:04:40	raxor2k	akik: aha ok
2021-05-15 21:04:48	raxor2k	but i still dont see what you mean by adding ":"
2021-05-15 21:04:50	raxor2k	i already havei ?T
2021-05-15 21:04:52	akik	raxor2k: why do you have those two lines following the image name?
2021-05-15 21:04:52	raxor2k	have it
2021-05-15 21:04:59	Nickwiz	services.backend.networks, line 27:  https://bpa.st/A6TQ#2L27
2021-05-15 21:05:09	akik	raxor2k: in your paste there's no : after testnetwork
2021-05-15 21:05:30	[R]	sumthing1980: yuo can set the blocksize when you create it
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2021-05-15 21:05:52	raxor2k	akik: you talking about line 27 then? because line 32 has it ..
2021-05-15 21:06:18	akik	raxor2k: yes and the lines 21 and 22 look suspect
2021-05-15 21:06:21	sumthing1980	ok
2021-05-15 21:06:48	sumthing1980	for millions of ascii files (html) would btrfs be best fs?
2021-05-15 21:06:59	raxor2k	akik: can we just solve this and then look at line 20 21 ?
2021-05-15 21:07:02	[R]	sumthing1980: try both and benchmark it
2021-05-15 21:07:12	sumthing1980	logical
2021-05-15 21:07:17	akik	raxor2k: just giving some hints. no hurry
2021-05-15 21:07:26	raxor2k	akik: i appreaciate that sir
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2021-05-15 21:07:36	sumthing1980	ie start with what you have and get going
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2021-05-15 21:08:09	raxor2k	ok so now i am sure i need to move the ".env" to stay along side the dockercompose file since im getting this error right?: ERROR: Couldn't connect to Docker daemon at http+docker://localhost - is it running?
2021-05-15 21:08:09	raxor2k	If it's at a non-standard location, specify the URL with the DOCKER_HOST environment variable.
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2021-05-15 21:10:12	akik	raxor2k: that's kind of unrelated to your compose file problem
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2021-05-15 21:10:58	raxor2k	akik: ok..
2021-05-15 21:11:33	akik	raxor2k: did you just notice that you can't connect to the daemon?
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2021-05-15 21:12:23	raxor2k	akik: im sorry i am new to this docker-compose file thing
2021-05-15 21:12:28	raxor2k	i always used normal dockerfile
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2021-05-15 21:13:18	akik	https://docs.docker.com/compose/environment-variables/ there's a description where to put the .env file
2021-05-15 21:14:04	akik	or you can even put it anywhere and use --env-file=
2021-05-15 21:14:08	raxor2k	akik: the .env file is placed inside the backend folder which it should be
2021-05-15 21:14:15	raxor2k	yes
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2021-05-15 21:29:09	kulak	so, what's a good non-facebook network that you actually use?  none? :)
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2021-05-15 21:30:02	SoundShaman	mewe
2021-05-15 21:30:14	SoundShaman	checkout MeWe
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2021-05-15 21:30:55	SoundShaman	kulak,
2021-05-15 21:31:00	SoundShaman	see above
2021-05-15 21:31:14	kulak	SoundShaman: thanks.  what's their business model if it is not for sale.
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2021-05-15 21:31:45	SoundShaman	idk exactly but they explain all that on their site
2021-05-15 21:32:00	SoundShaman	they don't track you or sell your data or spy on you
2021-05-15 21:33:29	SoundShaman	there was once an article on Its Foss about all the best ones out there
2021-05-15 21:33:36	SoundShaman	let me see if i can find it
2021-05-15 21:33:46	raxor2k	akik: now i have the env file along side the docker compose but it still not working?
2021-05-15 21:33:56	raxor2k	i still need to use :  --env-file=  ?
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2021-05-15 21:36:20	SoundShaman	kulak, https://itsfoss.com/mainstream-social-media-alternaives/
2021-05-15 21:36:27	CordialCatto	Reddit and Mastodon
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2021-05-15 21:41:17	porky	please remind me of the terminal command that types the content of a file?
2021-05-15 21:41:40	dTal	meow
2021-05-15 21:43:19	sheep	cat?
2021-05-15 21:43:20	Nickwiz	what do you mean by "types"?
2021-05-15 21:43:31	CordialCatto	xxd
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2021-05-15 21:43:43	CordialCatto	strings
2021-05-15 21:43:56	porky	thanks sheep!
2021-05-15 21:44:14	dTal	I did try to hint :p
2021-05-15 21:44:18	sauvin	tac
2021-05-15 21:44:23	kulak	SoundShaman: thanks, I am looking into it.
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2021-05-15 21:44:58	Nickwiz	mewe sells storage and "extensions"
2021-05-15 21:45:03	CordialCatto	lol didn't know about tac, funny
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2021-05-15 21:45:41	porky	dTal, fu
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2021-05-15 21:45:49	SoundShaman	yeah there's other netoworks besides mewe thats just the one that came off the top of my head
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2021-05-15 21:46:14	dTal	fme?
2021-05-15 21:46:23	Nickwiz	kung?
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2021-05-15 21:47:10	porky	dTal, oh you didn't get the hint?
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2021-05-15 21:47:54	Nickwiz	hint?
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2021-05-15 21:50:26	raxor2k	is this command wrong ? docker-compose up --build --env-file .env
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2021-05-15 21:54:00	sheep	raxor2k: it might need to be docker-compose --env-file .env up --build
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2021-05-15 21:55:25	raxor2k	ERROR: Couldn't connect to Docker daemon at http+docker://localhost - is it running?
2021-05-15 21:55:25	raxor2k	If it's at a non-standard location, specify the URL with the DOCKER_HOST environment variable.
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2021-05-15 21:59:20	sheep	I'm not sure if docker-compose can read that from an env file or if it needs to be in the environment
2021-05-15 21:59:32	sheep	I think that file might be for the environment inside the containers or something
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2021-05-15 22:00:06	raxor2k	......
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2021-05-15 22:01:10	akik	raxor2k: "Starting with +v1.28, .env file is placed at the base of the project directory"
2021-05-15 22:01:35	akik	raxor2k: the "up" goes to the end of the command line
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2021-05-15 22:51:35	jrandom	what happens if I run 'dhclient -r' on a remove vps server? I tried it but after sometime I got logged out and when I try to ssh into the box, I got no such IP/host.
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2021-05-15 22:51:52	jrandom	*remote
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2021-05-15 22:52:01	djph	assuming it gets its ip address from dhcp ...
2021-05-15 22:52:04	sheep	it depends on how the VPS host is set up
2021-05-15 22:52:14	sheep	some do have dhcp servers and some don't
2021-05-15 22:52:16	djph	... it releases the address.
2021-05-15 22:52:37	sheep	some will assign the IP address from your VPS's entry in their database, and some will just assign a random address
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2021-05-15 22:52:54	[R]	sheep: sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't
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2021-05-15 23:15:37	dp	Is there a way to debug resets/reset-drivers through sysfs?
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2021-05-15 23:17:27	dp	e.g. I'd like to assert and deassert a specific reset manually for dev/debug
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2021-05-15 23:18:18	Gustavo6046	BIRTHDAYYYYYY
2021-05-15 23:18:20	Gustavo6046	WOOT
2021-05-15 23:19:12	[R]	i dont see any reference to debugfs in the reset drivers
2021-05-15 23:19:17	dp	Neither
2021-05-15 23:19:27	dp	I guess I can hack it into my demo driver myself
2021-05-15 23:19:37	Gustavo6046	Ops, sorry
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2021-05-16 00:00:42	samian	hello
2021-05-16 00:00:49	samian	anyone know of a graphical git tool for ubuntu?
2021-05-16 00:00:58	samian	On Windows, I used tortoise
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2021-05-16 00:01:49	kilitary	samian: https://www.gimp.org/
2021-05-16 00:02:04	[R]	samian: what do you need a gui to do for you?
2021-05-16 00:02:33	samian	[R], guis allow me to avoid memorizing git commands
2021-05-16 00:02:55	[R]	3 commands are difficult? lol
2021-05-16 00:03:06	samian	kilitary,  gimp.org is an image editor... It has nothing to do with git
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2021-05-16 00:03:31	samian	[R], scrolling through history is easier in a gui than in a terminal
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2021-05-16 00:03:56	[R]	samian: i use git graph in vscode for that
2021-05-16 00:04:09	kilitary	samian: https://www.sourcetreeapp.com/
2021-05-16 00:04:10	ayecee	busted!
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2021-05-16 00:05:38	samian	[R],  thanks!
2021-05-16 00:05:41	samian	I use vscode
2021-05-16 00:05:48	samian	i'll checkout git graph right now!
2021-05-16 00:05:50	samian	thanks kilitary !
2021-05-16 00:06:34	samian	ehh sourcetreeapp supports only windows and osx, not linux :-(
2021-05-16 00:06:50	ayecee	feels like kilitary might just be jerking you around
2021-05-16 00:08:01	samian	woah git graph is nice! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9ZQpKGTog4
2021-05-16 00:08:08	[R]	ayecee: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w869Avr_fXI
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2021-05-16 00:08:30	ayecee	too much youtube
2021-05-16 00:08:41	[R]	lol
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2021-05-16 00:12:00	jrandom	[R]: You use VSCode? *wutface*
2021-05-16 00:12:34	kilitary	how to disable cleartype in vs code? i hate clearttype in the code
2021-05-16 00:12:55	kilitary	sublime/phpstorm/clion/others has antialiasing options
2021-05-16 00:13:56	raxor2k	akik: that didnt tell me much tbh
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2021-05-16 00:22:38	tool	jrandom: VScode is great
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2021-05-16 00:26:02	kilitary	sheep: i tried to change antialiasing options through includable css but looks like it gets overwritten
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2021-05-16 00:53:45	craigevil	use Firacode Font in vscode
2021-05-16 00:54:20	adamik	have a look what is in /etc/fonts/conf.d
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2021-05-16 00:55:01	adamik	usually there is another subdirectory, /etc/fonts/conf.avail
2021-05-16 00:55:18	adamik	to which you can symlink settings from
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2021-05-16 00:55:34	kilitary	i am on windows
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2021-05-16 04:07:38	jjakob	vscode is great if you value bloat and love microsoft
2021-05-16 04:07:50	jjakob	vim beats vscode
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2021-05-16 04:08:38	jjakob	are shell variables you define in your scripts supposed to be lowercase? uppercase are reserved, no?
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2021-05-16 04:09:47	Samian	jjakob,  heard of the saying out of sight, out of mind?
2021-05-16 04:10:06	jjakob	yeah
2021-05-16 04:10:19	Samian	well, vscode has a menu I CAN SEE. I can click on preferences and menus I can see appear. Options available I can see. Things I can do in the program I can see
2021-05-16 04:10:20	jjakob	but what do you mean?
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2021-05-16 04:10:25	Samian	in vim.... what can you see?
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2021-05-16 04:10:50	McErroneous	!dkms
2021-05-16 04:10:52	jjakob	you can see what you want to see if you know what you want to see
2021-05-16 04:10:54	Samian	vim fails to align itself with the principle out of sight, out of mind
2021-05-16 04:11:09	jjakob	read the manual
2021-05-16 04:11:09	McErroneous	Hi what is the meaning of dkms ?
2021-05-16 04:11:40	McErroneous	maybe debian_kernel_module_software ?
2021-05-16 04:11:45	Samian	oh should I say, vim aligns itself with the principle out of sight out of mind in order to make it difficult to not bring to your mind what's available in the program
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2021-05-16 04:12:02	jjakob	I'd rather have a program where I have to read a manual that is more powerful and much more lightweight than one that's all point and click
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2021-05-16 04:12:43	gloomy_desktop	jjakob: to be fair you can control pretty much everything in vscode with the keyboard, and it has a vim extension for editing.
2021-05-16 04:12:49	Samian	buttons, menus, and the like help me remember what I can do in the program. In sight, in mind!!!
2021-05-16 04:12:49	jjakob	when the point and click program is bloated
2021-05-16 04:12:55	Samian	in sight, in mind. Out of sight, out of mind
2021-05-16 04:13:04	jjakob	and to top it off made by one of the most evil companies
2021-05-16 04:13:43	jjakob	I don't want to have the editor in mind when editing a file. I want to have in mind what's in that file. how you interact with the program has to be muscle memory
2021-05-16 04:14:08	jjakob	I don't want to have to look at something not the file I'm editing
2021-05-16 04:14:13	Samian	jjakob, sure vim is good if you have a great memory and have all the commands memorized.
2021-05-16 04:14:33	jjakob	it has a much steeper learning curve, sure
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2021-05-16 04:14:43	jjakob	or shallower
2021-05-16 04:14:54	jjakob	it takes longer to learn is what I mean
2021-05-16 04:15:22	Samian	jjakob, for people who don't have a great memory and easily forget commands, vim is not the way to go. They need visual help to remember how to do what they want to do. That's what a GUI provides that vim fails to provide.
2021-05-16 04:15:35	jjakob	and most people don't use even 10% of what it can do, including me
2021-05-16 04:16:10	jjakob	yeah that's true, but if you can't remember vim commands sell your soul to microsoft I guess?
2021-05-16 04:16:25	xiaomiao	that's why I like nano
2021-05-16 04:16:36	xiaomiao	by default it shows a list of available commands at the bottom
2021-05-16 04:16:40	jjakob	there's even gedit
2021-05-16 04:16:48	xiaomiao	and once you memorize that you can disable that feature
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2021-05-16 04:17:09	jjakob	gedit is gui, has plugins, can do a lot, lot more than you'd think
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2021-05-16 04:17:49	jjakob	I've seen people who use it to write complex stuff
2021-05-16 04:17:49	McErroneous	Hi what is the meaning of DKMS , maybe "debian kernel module source" ?
2021-05-16 04:18:02	jjakob	dynamic kernel module something
2021-05-16 04:18:17	xiaomiao	McErroneous: something like that, yes - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
2021-05-16 04:18:35	McErroneous	xiaomiao: thx.
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2021-05-16 04:19:40	jjakob	I saw on a coworker's computer that left it on, that vscode used ~30% cpu just idling
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2021-05-16 04:20:00	jjakob	on a sandy bridge i7
2021-05-16 04:20:20	jjakob	I challenge you to make vim do that while doing anything
2021-05-16 04:21:04	xiaomiao	jjakob: on a 40Mhz 80386 it should be possible to achieve that ;)
2021-05-16 04:21:17	gloomy_desktop	":! gcc /linux/kernel"
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2021-05-16 04:23:26	jjakob	xiaomiao: yeah comparing apples to peas
2021-05-16 04:23:38	vdamewood	I like Apples.
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2021-05-16 04:24:29	 *	McErroneous jjakob: xiaomiao: , ubuntuusers.de says, DKMS was developed by Dell..., 
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2021-05-16 04:25:48	xiaomiao	so does the wikipedia article I linked to
2021-05-16 04:25:53	xiaomiao	quelle surprise!
2021-05-16 04:26:10	sauvin	McErroneous, "thanks", not "thx".
2021-05-16 04:26:19	Samian	I need some help
2021-05-16 04:26:20	Samian	when I click on a icon in the dock, preview windows of each instance appears. I'd like to hover the instances and the instances my mouse is on is maximized
2021-05-16 04:26:30	Samian	currently, I click the icon, then click one of the preview windows, then that window appears. If it's the wrong window, I go back to the dock, click the icon again, and click another previewed window
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2021-05-16 04:27:09	xiaomiao	Samian: maybe click-and-hold works?
2021-05-16 04:27:31	Samian	the preview windows are so small that I can't tell which window is which, so I'm doing trial and error clicking each preview window! It's kkilling productivity
2021-05-16 04:27:58	Samian	xiaomiao, what should click and hold do?
2021-05-16 04:28:28	xiaomiao	Samian: it might allow selecting windows, maybe. GUIs are difficult :)
2021-05-16 04:28:45	xiaomiao	since you didn't mention what software you use it's all guesswork
2021-05-16 04:28:57	Samian	windows 10 does what I want. But work computer is ubuntu and I don't have a choice to switch os's. I'm stuck with ubuntu
2021-05-16 04:30:26	xiaomiao	ubuntu offers multiple desktop environments
2021-05-16 04:30:42	xiaomiao	maybe try them all to see what fits you best
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2021-05-16 04:36:21	McErroneous	i am on a live distro , that uses aufs.., and some directories (with sub-directories)  of a ext3 mounted partition show a 0 bytes... in size.., i thought that every directory needs to have 4096 bytes, because of the metadata...
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2021-05-16 04:37:39	sheep	idk about ext3, but I think ext4 and some other filesystems could keep the entire set of directory entries in the inode instead of allocating data blocks for it
2021-05-16 04:38:40	McErroneous	so i am confused.., because directories a shown as 0 or 4096 bytes in size.., and i am wondering about the diff..
2021-05-16 04:38:53	McErroneous	are
2021-05-16 04:39:21	sheep	how are you measuring the size?
2021-05-16 04:39:32	McErroneous	du -hs ./*
2021-05-16 04:39:59	sheep	it might also depend on how aufs reports directory sizes
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2021-05-16 04:41:04	McErroneous	sheep: lets not look for how to excuse this.., but lets look out on how to fix it..
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2021-05-16 04:41:25	sheep	what needs to be fixed?
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2021-05-16 04:42:29	sheep	are you running du -hs on the aufs mount, or on the underlying ext3 mount?
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2021-05-16 04:50:22	rindolf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6KAGqjdmsk
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2021-05-16 04:56:04	McErroneous	are the known bugs or errors related to ext3 sizes of directories.., ? (how would i check )
2021-05-16 04:57:52	sheep	no. the size reported is how many data blocks are allocated for the directory. Smaller directories can fit all of their entries in the directory's inode, so they don't have any data blocks. Larger directories may need more blocks
2021-05-16 04:59:00	sauvin	sheep, "I don't know", not "idk".
2021-05-16 05:00:12	sheep	sorry
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2021-05-16 05:03:09	McErroneous	sheep: but that does not make much sense.. here..,because dir "xxxx"(four letters) with no sub-directories has a size of 4096...
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2021-05-16 05:03:44	McErroneous	and other directories with sub-directories have a size of 0
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2021-05-16 05:04:05	McErroneous	both contain no regular files...
2021-05-16 05:04:17	sheep	it might be storing multiple inodes in a single block sometimes and not doing it other times
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2021-05-16 05:05:07	McErroneous	sheep: how do i check on those "multiple inodes" ?
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2021-05-16 05:05:25	sheep	I don't remember
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2021-05-16 05:05:43	sheep	du does have a --inodes option
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2021-05-16 05:06:57	McErroneous	hmm..., sheep, the directories i am refering to have mostly a consecutive inode order... 1,2,3,4...
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2021-05-16 05:07:19	McErroneous	they are the result of a heavy copy operation via rsync..
2021-05-16 05:07:25	McErroneous	from a nfs-share..
2021-05-16 05:07:41	sheep	they were probably created in order with mkdir()
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2021-05-16 05:11:54	sheep	page 11 / 581 in this document suggests that a 4,096 byte block might contain up to 32 inodes : https://students.mimuw.edu.pl/SO/Linux-doc/UnderstLinuxKernel2e-ch17.pdf
2021-05-16 05:11:55	McErroneous	sheep: how do i take a look at the meta-data ?
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2021-05-16 05:13:35	sheep	which metadata? If you mean all of the metadata on the drive, then you'll need tools such as dd and hexdump. But 'stat' will tell you most of the metadata that the kernel exposes to userspace
2021-05-16 05:14:16	sheep	there's also stat --file-system
2021-05-16 05:15:39	McErroneous	hmmm.., somehow this seems to be introduced by the nfs-mount, i think..., and than copying the data to the local hdd..., i cant remember having seen this behaviour on a regular simple filesystem install..
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2021-05-16 05:25:28	McErroneous	Well... , then i would need to know "how to allocate an individual inode for each directory entry" in order to have a decent filesystem.., usable as a reliable backup/storage..
2021-05-16 05:25:45	Samian	xiaomiao,  I'm using Ubuntu 20.04.2 LTS
2021-05-16 05:26:03	Samian	replying to your comment <xiaomiao> since you didn't mention what software you use it's all guesswork
2021-05-16 05:26:45	Samian	any help solving the preview window trial and error clicking I go through way too often would be appreciated!
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2021-05-16 05:28:47	McErroneous	https://askubuntu.com/questions/186813/why-does-every-directory-have-a-size-4096-bytes-4-k
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2021-05-16 05:34:51	McErroneous	sheep: ..,i am sorry..., but something is going wrong here... . 1st the filesystem with the mixed director sizes of 0 , and 4K are NTFS, and not ext3.., 2nd why does the possible explaination of this behaviour applies to ntfs as well as for ext3 ?
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2021-05-16 05:35:20	sheep	McErroneous: are you concerned that you have lost or corrupted data?
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2021-05-16 05:37:50	McErroneous	sheep: at some point in futuere it might matter.., so yes..
2021-05-16 05:38:07	sheep	did you check the contents of these files, not counting the file sizes?
2021-05-16 05:38:27	sheep	the file sizes that tools like du and stat show for directories is not useful for that
2021-05-16 05:39:07	sheep	because several inodes that are created around the same time might be combined into a smaller number of blocks or some directory inodes might be able to fit all of their entires in the inode without allocating any data blocks
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2021-05-16 05:39:38	sheep	exactly which inodes are allocated for a directory isn't deterministic; it can vary depending on the order of writes and other things
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2021-05-16 05:43:51	tortal	How is ncurses connected with the clear command exactly ? clear -V prints the ncurses used. Is it used to determine what to print ?
2021-05-16 05:46:51	McErroneous	sheep: well i remotely recall having read something about cascading inodes..., which was, if i remember correctly a "design flaw" ,but well..., to add to the confusion.., NTFS(ntfs-3g) is apparently part of my confusion..
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2021-05-16 05:50:13	 *	McErroneous The filesystem got confused before i was..., 
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2021-05-16 05:51:42	phogg	tortal: have you read the man page?
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2021-05-16 05:54:24	tortal	Yes. But I don't understand what the "ncurses clear" command is
2021-05-16 05:55:55	_Fremen_	Hello everyone, I asked this in #lvm but I hope this is also on topic here.
2021-05-16 05:56:08	_Fremen_	I am having LVM problems, I tried to shrink a LVM partition but as far as I understand it, the superblock was not updated of this change and even though I used fsck and e2fsck, I was not able to correct errors on this partition. What should be my next step? Erasing and reforming the partition? Or try to repair lvm superblock?
2021-05-16 05:56:15	phogg	tortal: if you look at (for example) https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/clear.1.html it documents a clear command. That command is provided by the ncurses project. As it documents in HISTORY, there are other implementations.
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2021-05-16 05:57:19	rindolf	_Fremen_: do you have critical data in that partition?
2021-05-16 05:57:24	peac	hey there, strange problem this morning, i get "your connection was interrupted" for every webpage i visit
2021-05-16 05:57:44	peac	i tried rebooting all devices, made sure the settings are correct in networkmanager
2021-05-16 05:57:52	peac	disabled ipv6
2021-05-16 05:57:59	peac	any idea?
2021-05-16 05:58:06	phogg	peac: does this happen with every browser? What about curl on the command line?
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2021-05-16 05:58:26	rindolf	_Fremen_: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2009/12/14/lets-stop-talking-about-backups/
2021-05-16 05:59:03	petrj	peac: you can try out https://github.com/denysvitali/thebestmotherfuckingwebsite to see if the problem persist on the browser in question.
2021-05-16 05:59:10	_Fremen_	rindolf, yeah I prefer not to lose it
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2021-05-16 05:59:16	peac	phogg: it was in chrome, trying firefox now but other apps are having issues (but they're electron so chrome based)
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2021-05-16 06:00:22	rindolf	_Fremen_: ah, i'm' out of ideas, then
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2021-05-16 06:00:32	phogg	peac: if you're on IRC you clearly do not have a networking problem, so it must be something else
2021-05-16 06:00:38	peac	petrj: not sure what you suggest i do with it ? actually compile it ?
2021-05-16 06:00:54	koollman	peac: try curl
2021-05-16 06:01:02	_Fremen_	rindolf, this is the error message "The filesystem size (according to the superblock) is 460410880 blocks
2021-05-16 06:01:02	_Fremen_	The physical size of the device is 427947008 blocks
2021-05-16 06:01:02	_Fremen_	Either the superblock or the partition table is likely to be corrupt!"
2021-05-16 06:01:12	_Fremen_	rindolf, ok thanks anyway
2021-05-16 06:01:25	peac	phogg: the irc window i'm in (irccloud in ferdi in electron) also gets connexion issues
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2021-05-16 06:03:50	rindolf	_Fremen_: you're welcome . no worries: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbY_aP-alkw
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2021-05-16 06:05:10	peac	repeatedly curling google does not seem to be an issue
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2021-05-16 06:06:39	peac	in chrome almost all webpages say "network changed" then load, sometimes only after 5+ refreshes
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2021-05-16 06:07:15	peac	big files download fail, small file did work (torrent for raspios) and the torrent worked fine
2021-05-16 06:07:41	peac	i don't seem to have an issue with firefox
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2021-05-16 06:07:43	koollman	is something modifying your network ?
2021-05-16 06:07:52	peac	not that i know of
2021-05-16 06:08:01	koollman	or something would let chrome/electron think that something changed ?
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2021-05-16 06:08:22	peac	i'm plugged to my router on ethernet and have nothing fancy going on
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2021-05-16 06:10:58	peac	some websites are more prone to not working than others
2021-05-16 06:11:21	longxia	_Fremen_: so I can avoid being in your situation: what type of filesystem did you try to shrink and with what command?
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2021-05-16 06:12:04	peac	google.com works fine everytime, searx.be almost never works, other websites fail i would say 30% of the time
2021-05-16 06:12:04	_Fremen_	longxia, it was ext4 and I was using KDE partitionmanager
2021-05-16 06:12:59	peac	dns are set to auto on my machine
2021-05-16 06:13:49	peac	even accessing my router seems slow
2021-05-16 06:14:02	longxia	_Fremen_: thanks. I don't know KDE partitionmanager. I'd rather use lvextend -r.
2021-05-16 06:14:24	peac	firefox just had "connection was reset" while accessing my local router
2021-05-16 06:14:25	longxia	_Fremen_: but I can't remember when I last shrunk a fs or LV.
2021-05-16 06:14:29	koollman	peac: this probably means the problem is local  to your network, or even your computer
2021-05-16 06:14:42	akik	peac: do you have a duplicate ip defined on two machines?
2021-05-16 06:14:57	koollman	peac: could be something else on your network with a duplicate ip, or your router failing for some reasons
2021-05-16 06:15:08	tortal	phogg: thanks, but i'm not really sure i understand the role of ncurses even after reading it carefully. the man page does not make any explicit claims - which one can udnerstand because it is not a man page on the implementation. I can only assume it is related to E3 (which is related to ncurses), and even that uncertain.
2021-05-16 06:15:24	 *	McErroneous just for the records.., cascading inodes / self-contained inodes..
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2021-05-16 06:16:06	peac	nmap says the 3 devices on my network have different ips, but i'm not sure if nmap could see if it was not the case... but i don't have other devices connected
2021-05-16 06:16:28	koollman	tortal: ncurses is a library to interact with terminals. mostly to write terminal interfaces
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2021-05-16 06:17:44	peac	could running nmap every minute be an issue ?
2021-05-16 06:17:55	peac	i did add an nmap command to my conky yesterday
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2021-05-16 06:18:08	peac	just killed conky and it seems it works now
2021-05-16 06:18:20	koollman	peac: why would you ... do that ? :)
2021-05-16 06:18:36	peac	to keep a list of the devices on my network in conky
2021-05-16 06:18:48	koollman	peac: it would have to be a really strange nmap command. Or, your router could have some auto-protection thing
2021-05-16 06:18:49	akik	what's conky?
2021-05-16 06:18:59	mntee	system monitor
2021-05-16 06:19:04	koollman	(or it could just not like floods :))
2021-05-16 06:19:09	sunyibo	is there something magic I need to know in order to transfer windows files on Linux? I'm not having any success with rsync or cp
2021-05-16 06:19:27	koollman	peac: this contradicts the "nothing fancy going on" statement, though ;)
2021-05-16 06:19:34	tortal	My understanding so far is that ncurses is a lib for "text gui". But is clear command then using that lib simply to determine what to print ?
2021-05-16 06:19:51	peac	koollman: true i did not see this as fancy
2021-05-16 06:19:54	peac	`nmap -sn 10.0.0.0/24`
2021-05-16 06:20:13	akik	sunyibo: no magic. what problem do you see?
2021-05-16 06:20:38	koollman	tortal: no, clear does not. but other applications may. Basically, interacting with terminals beyond very easy stuff is .. interestingly difficult (for various legacy reasons)
2021-05-16 06:21:16	tortal	Ok. Then I really don't udnerstand why clear has a command to print the ncurses version.
2021-05-16 06:21:24	tortal	flag*
2021-05-16 06:21:45	koollman	tortal: oh. maybe some versions of clear do use ncurses, then
2021-05-16 06:22:02	sheep	clear is a program included in ncurses's source distribution
2021-05-16 06:22:05	sunyibo	akik: https://bpa.st/URFA and then rsync just stops progressing at some point
2021-05-16 06:22:23	tortal	sheep: thanks. Now things are starting to make sense.
2021-05-16 06:22:24	akik	sunyibo: of course permissions don't work the same way on ntfs
2021-05-16 06:23:04	sheep	it's a wrapper around ncurses save_tty_settings and setupterm
2021-05-16 06:23:05	peac	actually it was just random, conky is still killed and the issue is still there
2021-05-16 06:23:16	sunyibo	akik: how should I set them, so that the receiving dude can more or less read his files?
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2021-05-16 06:23:56	akik	sunyibo: dude?
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2021-05-16 06:24:24	sunyibo	It's a backup that I have to give back to somebody. Problably on windows or mac
2021-05-16 06:24:27	koollman	tortal: my mistake. clear is more complex than I remembered, and is indeed part of ncurses in many cases :)
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2021-05-16 06:25:01	sunyibo	akik: the receiving person of the external exfat drive with his old data in an accessible format
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2021-05-16 06:25:24	akik	sunyibo: he can change the permissions as needed on his computer
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2021-05-16 06:25:44	sunyibo	so what flags do I need to set in rsync?
2021-05-16 06:25:56	mntee	what flags were you using?
2021-05-16 06:25:58	peac	koollman: any other idea to debug the network ?
2021-05-16 06:26:11	sunyibo	mntee: -PaAXvd
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2021-05-16 06:26:42	peac	the router is ddwrt but i lost the pass more than 6 months ago (need to reflash it someday) so nothing has changed on its side
2021-05-16 06:26:54	koollman	peac: do you have other machines on the network, and do they have the same symptoms ?
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2021-05-16 06:27:34	mntee	sunyibo: -A: preserve ACLs (implies --perms)
2021-05-16 06:27:39	mntee	should probably get rid of that?
2021-05-16 06:28:03	sunyibo	so -PA ?
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2021-05-16 06:29:43	mntee	no, just get rid of the A probably
2021-05-16 06:30:28	peac	koollman: other devices seem fine, there's a raspi and my phone only
2021-05-16 06:30:45	peac	downlaoding a 3GB file, chrome fails isntantly and firefox does it without issue
2021-05-16 06:31:21	peac	chrome fails in the first second*
2021-05-16 06:31:35	greyblue9	peac: netdiscover is probably a lower-impact way to enumerate local hosts since it only uses ARP
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2021-05-16 06:31:58	peac	greyblue9: thanks i'll check it out
2021-05-16 06:32:15	peac	doesn't nmap -sn only use arp?
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2021-05-16 06:34:23	peac	no, it uses icmp
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2021-05-16 06:36:53	greyblue9	peac: maybe `nmap -sn -Pn` ?
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2021-05-16 06:39:33	peac	-sn -Pn never returns on my side
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2021-05-16 06:40:34	peac	netdiscover does not seem to be available for fedora
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2021-05-16 06:42:54	greyblue9	could add '-AR' though I thought was set by default
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2021-05-16 06:43:17	greyblue9	-PR
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2021-05-16 06:44:25	peac	could i use wireshark to troubleshoot my issue? i've never really used wireshark, what would be the methodology for this case?
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2021-05-16 06:44:57	peac	if it was just chromium i would use firefox for today but it's all electron apps too
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2021-05-16 06:47:57	greyblue9	if you don't need the hosts' names you could write a very simple python script  with scapy
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2021-05-16 06:48:47	peac	greyblue9: sorry i was talking about my issue described earlier, where chromium says network has changed for most pages i visit
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2021-05-16 06:49:37	peac	firefox also had the issue once but manages to download a big file which chromium fails
2021-05-16 06:49:54	peac	it seems to be local to my computer and since today only
2021-05-16 06:50:22	greyblue9	oh, well, you could try wireshark if you can run promiscuous mode on the interface
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2021-05-16 06:50:35	peac	installing it now
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2021-05-16 06:52:12	greyblue9	run as root of course
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2021-05-16 06:53:18	peac	it looks as if my network card was restarting every second? on the homepage of wireshark the list of interfaces keeps refreshing
2021-05-16 06:53:49	peac	i get a ton of log in journalctl
2021-05-16 06:54:45	peac	from 'audit' process about iptables
2021-05-16 06:55:27	greyblue9	definitely an issue if it's actually restarting
2021-05-16 06:55:42	peac	it was docker
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2021-05-16 06:59:12	greyblue9	pesc: is it a wierless interface?
2021-05-16 06:59:25	peac	ethernet
2021-05-16 06:59:58	greyblue9	good, wireless is trickier to set up
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2021-05-16 07:01:13	akik	peac: do you see networkd-dispatcher acting up?
2021-05-16 07:01:47	phogg	peac: if the network card is restarting often you should see logs to that effect in kern.log
2021-05-16 07:01:52	peac	dockerd says Firewalld: docker zone already exists, returning
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2021-05-16 07:02:30	phogg	are you running inside a docker container? Or, do you expect docker to be running on your system?
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2021-05-16 07:03:34	peac	i have a huge docker setup that was instanciated by a script yesterday, not sure exactly how it's architectured but it has 25 containers
2021-05-16 07:03:47	peac	investigating
2021-05-16 07:04:22	peac	this guy here https://docs.mender.io/2.7/server-installation/demo-installation
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2021-05-16 07:05:18	peac	i guess it's in a partial working state due to rebooting
2021-05-16 07:08:40	greyblue9	would be interesting to know if these problems disappear when no docker is running
2021-05-16 07:08:42	akik	peac: i have dockerd in wsl 2 ubuntu and networkd-dispatcher was giving me issues
2021-05-16 07:09:15	peac	greyblue9: issue stopped when i stopped docker, i've cleaned up the mess and restarting the mender server  now
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2021-05-16 07:10:26	peac	yeah the mender server is restarted and everything is fine now
2021-05-16 07:10:31	greyblue9	peac: ah cool
2021-05-16 07:10:32	peac	it did not like the reboot
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2021-05-16 07:12:41	peac	i'm glad it happened locally and not while rebooting the mainframe in prod in 3 months lol
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2021-05-16 07:13:47	greyblue9	sounds like docker spams network-dispatcher?
2021-05-16 07:15:02	peac	some containers were failing and it seems to have an intricate networking and proxying setup so there must have been a conflict somewhere making the docker bridge reboot constantly
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2021-05-16 07:17:47	akik	peac: it's pretty funny tnat you didn't mention the huge docker deployment at first
2021-05-16 07:18:04	peac	yeah, i'm a dumbass
2021-05-16 07:18:27	peac	i spend my life in containers so i don't see them anymore
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2021-05-16 07:54:52	Aryan	Guys? Can I have your linkedin profiles link?
2021-05-16 07:55:34	Aryan	in my private?
2021-05-16 07:55:41	de-facto	chromium would not connect to the internet in one profile, how to find out why it refuses to cooperate?
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2021-05-16 07:56:44	de-facto	ah ublock origin, blocked the whole browser :/
2021-05-16 07:56:55	de-facto	great little extension :(((
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2021-05-16 07:57:16	McErroneous	sheep: just to complete the ongoing story.., du -s ./* shows some directory with a size of 0, but they contain non-zero files..
2021-05-16 07:58:08	McErroneous	i think it might be the (ntfs-3g driver) maybe.., idk...
2021-05-16 07:58:32	hexnewbie	I remember when the integrated AdBlock in Konqueror successfully blocked the system pages of KDE
2021-05-16 07:59:06	hexnewbie	Apparently, ad blocking rules are powerful, and the power is browser-agnostic
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2021-05-16 08:07:49	de-facto	i guess that some weird bug in the rules list blocked the whole internet or such
2021-05-16 08:08:10	de-facto	e.g. someone putting something stupid on it like 0.0.0.0 or equivalent
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2021-05-16 08:30:50	 *	McErroneous sheep: how could i possibly work with rsync on such a directory structure...
2021-05-16 08:30:55	BluesKaj	Howdy folks
2021-05-16 08:31:16	IIIFE	GTK3 might suck, but it's the only usable C GUI toolkit available :(
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2021-05-16 08:31:48	petrj	`qemu -nographic #please`
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2021-05-16 08:37:57	IIIFE	Well there is motif, but it's X11 only and looks ancient.
2021-05-16 08:38:00	hexnewbie	IIIFE: Well, not fan of C++ or even literate in it , but Glib classes and their boilerplate makes me think I'd prefer it over a pure C wdget toolkit
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2021-05-16 08:39:00	IIIFE	What GUI toolkits are you fan of hexnewbie?
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2021-05-16 08:41:08	ayecee	that's a very personal question
2021-05-16 08:41:33	hexnewbie	I've used GTK (C), Atena (C), Elementary (Python), and lately Qt (Python)
2021-05-16 08:41:35	hexnewbie	Athena
2021-05-16 08:42:40	IIIFE	The fact GTK can't even render thumbnails properly makes me want to just bite the bullet and write the GUI interface in C++ and the rest in C. Might just be worth avoiding the complaints it's on GTK.
2021-05-16 08:43:54	hexnewbie	Apparently, Elementary (along with the rest of the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries) are all pure C too
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2021-05-16 08:47:29	dostoyevsky	So I am writing my own screenshot tool that can use XRenderCreatePicture() to render an X11 completely, even if it is currently obscured on the screen...
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2021-05-16 08:48:56	hexnewbie	dostoyevsky: Spectacle can do that (yeah, I am surprised scrot does not)
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2021-05-16 08:54:39	dostoyevsky	hexnewbie: I can't really see an option for spectacle to tell it which window it should take a screenshot of...
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2021-05-16 08:56:26	IIIFE	The good thing about C++ is that I don't have to go full C++, I can write it as C with classes or not even with classes if I wanted to.
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2021-05-16 08:57:07	caterfxo	C++ has more, sort of, guard rails on by default, right?
2021-05-16 08:57:39	IIIFE	What kind of guard rails?
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2021-05-16 08:58:11	caterfxo	heh, chicken wire mostly
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2021-05-16 08:58:59	caterfxo	#comedyfail
2021-05-16 08:59:11	dostoyevsky	caterfxo: Yeah, that's what the name means: C++ it's C with guardrails, `++' being an image for guard rails
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2021-05-16 09:00:00	caterfxo	Yeah, that's what I thought.  Yep, ima educamated
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2021-05-16 09:02:42	IIIFE	If I was to make a project with the core in C and the GUI in C++, should I write the C++ code as like C to keep style consistent or just say fuck the police and use every feature C++ has to offer?
2021-05-16 09:03:03	ayecee	do both, then keep the one you like better
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2021-05-16 09:09:33	hexnewbie	dostoyevsky: It can screenshot the focused one or the one under the cursor
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2021-05-16 09:22:34	COVID-1984	Can you put the DRI_PRIME env var in xinitrc to have it applied across X?
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2021-05-16 09:23:08	otisolsen70	I have filled up a file system by accident. df report 0 bytes free. So I delete a 30G file but the df keeps reporting 0 bytes free. How can that be? The filesystem has been umounted/mounted.
2021-05-16 09:24:07	jim	how large is the whole filesystem? where is it normally mounted?
2021-05-16 09:24:23	otisolsen70	jim, fs is 3 TB. Mounted in /backup/backup3
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2021-05-16 09:25:51	jim	30 g is what percentage of (essentially) 3000g
2021-05-16 09:26:07	jim	I guess that's 1%
2021-05-16 09:26:19	otisolsen70	jim, I am not talking about percentages. I am talking about bytes. df reports 0 bytes free.
2021-05-16 09:26:43	otisolsen70	jim, this is output from df: /dev/mapper/backup3       2883203700 2851726092          0 100% /backup/backup3
2021-05-16 09:27:15	jim	what's the neader look like?
2021-05-16 09:27:24	otisolsen70	Filesystem                 1K-blocks       Used  Available Use% Mounted on
2021-05-16 09:28:14	jim	well there's the thing about the reservation for root
2021-05-16 09:28:17	RayTracer	if it's btrfs you need to reclaim the space with some option
2021-05-16 09:28:24	RayTracer	btrfs fs balance or alike
2021-05-16 09:28:38	otisolsen70	RayTracer, this is ext4
2021-05-16 09:29:10	RayTracer	maybe try a fsck on it
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2021-05-16 09:29:31	jim	so, even from the df output, you can tell that not all of it are used
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2021-05-16 09:30:12	otisolsen70	jim, ok, so maybe it is just the reserved-blocks-percentage that is making df report 0 bytes free?
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2021-05-16 09:30:41	jim	maybe... try the df command as root and see if you see any different
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2021-05-16 09:31:48	otisolsen70	jim, df as root reports 0 bytes free as well
2021-05-16 09:31:50	RayTracer	you can also modify the reserved percent count with tune2fs -m
2021-05-16 09:32:00	jim	ok, so that'
2021-05-16 09:32:05	jim	isn't the problem
2021-05-16 09:32:51	xiaomiao	hardlinks? same object referenced from multiple places would give 0% more free space after deleting
2021-05-16 09:32:53	otisolsen70	RayTracer, I want -m5. And if it the reserved-blocks-percentage that is causing this, then fine. I would just like to know if that is the case then.
2021-05-16 09:33:15	otisolsen70	xiaomiao, right. But this is not hardlinks
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2021-05-16 09:33:52	otisolsen70	xiaomiao, I have a restic repo on this disk. Restic does not handle disk full very well so I keep a 30 GB file laying around just to delete if it happens to run full.
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2021-05-16 09:34:19	RayTracer	btw, I don't think df reports different values for root and non-root users for the reserved blocks
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2021-05-16 09:34:41	otisolsen70	RayTracer, but does df take reserved blocks in to account at all?
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2021-05-16 09:34:56	RayTracer	I think so
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2021-05-16 09:35:15	otisolsen70	RayTracer, then maybe it is just that
2021-05-16 09:36:01	rascul	it doesn't
2021-05-16 09:36:20	rascul	or, df doesn't do anything special for the root reserved stuff
2021-05-16 09:36:56	rascul	df is just giving raw numbers for the fs
2021-05-16 09:37:32	otisolsen70	rascul, makes sense. So does ext4 report 0 bytes free when it is within reserved blocks?
2021-05-16 09:37:47	RayTracer	otisolsen70: df takes reserved blocks into account by just reducing the Avail column value
2021-05-16 09:38:06	rascul	i don't see that happening
2021-05-16 09:38:19	RayTracer	I just tested it, do you want the commands to reproduce?
2021-05-16 09:38:22	rascul	sure
2021-05-16 09:39:03	RayTracer	dd if=/dev/zero of=test1 bs=1G count=0 seek=10; dd if=/dev/zero of=test2 bs=1G count=0 seek=10; mkfs.ext4 -m0 test1; mkfs.ext4 -m10 test2
2021-05-16 09:39:35	RayTracer	mount test1 /mnt/b; mount test2 /mnt/c; df -h /mnt/{b,c}
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2021-05-16 09:40:35	rascul	oh i see now
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2021-05-16 09:44:48	rascul	hrm i don't see how to retrieve that value from a fs
2021-05-16 09:44:55	RayTracer	tune2fs -l
2021-05-16 09:45:00	rascul	doesn't seem to give it
2021-05-16 09:45:33	RayTracer	tune2fs -l test1 | grep ^Reserved
2021-05-16 09:45:48	rascul	doesn't return the amount reserved
2021-05-16 09:46:05	RayTracer	I have "Reserved block count:     262144" for the test2 file
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2021-05-16 09:46:22	rascul	oops i was looking at it wrong
2021-05-16 09:46:32	RayTracer	strike 2! ;)
2021-05-16 09:46:36	rascul	i guess my brain still isn't awake
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2021-05-16 09:47:10	RayTracer	wait, I'll drink a coffee for you in a moment. :)
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2021-05-16 09:57:26	triceratux	well thats pretty good [    0.000000] Linux version 5.12.4-exton (root@Ubuntu-Lenovo) (gcc (Ubuntu 9.3.0-17ubuntu1~20.04) 9.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.34) #1 SMP Sat May 15 11:31:43 CEST 2021
2021-05-16 09:57:28	triceratux	http://www.extix.se/?p=816
2021-05-16 09:57:37	akik	COVID-1984: if i put environment variables in /etc/profile they'll end up in all the applications in the gui
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2021-05-16 10:21:19	HyP3r	Hello I'm using on my server the classic ifupdown system to configure my ip address and now wanted to dive into ipv6. The problem with my isp is that I don't have a static ipv6. So I decided to use both a global ipv6 (200...) and a Unique Local Address.
2021-05-16 10:21:33	HyP3r	For that I have generated a ULA prefix: fdc5:bbf:9e28:5bb8
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2021-05-16 10:22:00	HyP3r	So the question is now how can I configure with ifupdown files (/etc/network/interfaces) such a situation?
2021-05-16 10:22:17	HyP3r	I need a static ula with a slaac ipv6
2021-05-16 10:22:21	jim	you're running debian?
2021-05-16 10:22:50	paulcarroty	akik graphical environment don't care about /etc/profile
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2021-05-16 10:23:14	rascul	display managers often run the session inside the context of a login shell
2021-05-16 10:23:17	ayecee	they don't care about anything but themselves!
2021-05-16 10:23:27	HyP3r	jim: yep
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2021-05-16 10:23:33	hexnewbie	So self-centred of them!
2021-05-16 10:23:48	jim	ok, that's why you have the ifup/down thing
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2021-05-16 10:24:22	HyP3r	jim: no debian actually is shipping with the NetworkManager. But I have installed Proxmox VE as Hypervisor and this HV is removing NetworkManager an is working with ifupdown...
2021-05-16 10:24:27	paulcarroty	rascul gnome not giving shit about .bash* or profile
2021-05-16 10:24:37	HyP3r	I know ifupdown is dino technology...
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2021-05-16 10:25:39	jim	well it's flexible enough
2021-05-16 10:25:40	akik	paulcarroty: the effect is the same
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2021-05-16 10:26:07	HyP3r	jim: but I really don't get how to solve that problem
2021-05-16 10:26:09	rascul	paulcarroty looks like gdm will start the user's session in a login shell
2021-05-16 10:26:18	paulcarroty	akik nope, had the troubles with
2021-05-16 10:26:24	jim	now we just need someone who's familiar with ipv6
2021-05-16 10:26:25	akik	paulcarroty: so for example firefox started from plasma 5 will have that environment variable defined in /etc/profile
2021-05-16 10:26:41	rascul	akik how is the x session started?
2021-05-16 10:26:55	hexnewbie	Plasma 5? We're talking about canonical GUIs like GNOME. :P You know, the ones that don't even read ~/.xsessionrc
2021-05-16 10:26:58	paulcarroty	firefox has his own bigggg start script
2021-05-16 10:27:30	akik	gnome? who uses that crap?
2021-05-16 10:27:40	xiaomiao	akik: mostly people who like gnome
2021-05-16 10:28:05	paulcarroty	who don't like shitty win7 clone like plasma, obviously
2021-05-16 10:28:06	akik	rascul: from sddm
2021-05-16 10:28:10	hexnewbie	And people who use a default install. Or people who try KDE and their touchpad tapping doesn't work.
2021-05-16 10:28:11	IIIFE	The GNOME devs are tyrants over GTK. Still haven't implemented thumbnails to this day.
2021-05-16 10:28:28	rascul	akik i recall that sddm will start your session in the context of a login shell
2021-05-16 10:28:33	HyP3r	jim: I thought you know it :D
2021-05-16 10:28:33	xiaomiao	paulcarroty: if you look at the timeline when effects were added etc. - win7 is a cheap plasma clone
2021-05-16 10:28:36	paulcarroty	kde has his own configs - https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE#Autostart
2021-05-16 10:28:51	rascul	akik essentially meaning that everything you start in that session will inherit the exported environment from the login shell
2021-05-16 10:28:58	IIIFE	Yet windows 98 could do something GTK can't.
2021-05-16 10:29:06	akik	rascul: yes isn't it nice?
2021-05-16 10:29:16	rascul	it can be
2021-05-16 10:29:25	paulcarroty	xiaomiao using this crap 10y+ is bad excuse
2021-05-16 10:29:37	 *	rascul also notes that there is no script to start firefox here
2021-05-16 10:29:39	hexnewbie	IIIFE: What is it? I've making a list of those thigns :D
2021-05-16 10:29:49	IIIFE	Thumbnail support in the file picker for one.
2021-05-16 10:29:49	hexnewbie	Ah, thumbnails
2021-05-16 10:29:50	xiaomiao	paulcarroty: I've given up on DEs, the constant cycle of rewriting before things get stable is quite ... sigh
2021-05-16 10:30:07	rascul	twm is all anybody ever needs
2021-05-16 10:30:25	IIIFE	I wish there was a generic Xlib file picker with thumbnail support.
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2021-05-16 10:30:42	paulcarroty	just learn 100 hotkeys and you're fine with any wm
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2021-05-16 10:31:36	hexnewbie	Hmm, half of my GTK programs seem to use the KDE file picker. Gedit does use the KDE file picker for me. Geany does not. Funny that.
2021-05-16 10:31:55	rascul	there's a trick to specify the file chooser to use
2021-05-16 10:32:00	rascul	can't remember what it is though
2021-05-16 10:32:03	paulcarroty	guess it's can be configured
2021-05-16 10:32:05	IIIFE	And if I want to use the KDE file picker, I have to force install of both GTK and KDE, which is incredibly unreasonable.
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2021-05-16 10:33:02	hexnewbie	IIIFE: Both used to come preinstalled in RedHat 6.0 in 1999, seemed reasonable at the time, and fit well on your tiny hard drive.
2021-05-16 10:33:14	rascul	hexnewbie it may be related to the xdg-desktop-portal stuff
2021-05-16 10:33:14	hexnewbie	What did we do?
2021-05-16 10:33:21	hexnewbie	rascul: Yeah, it is the portal
2021-05-16 10:33:34	pulsar12_	gcore sometimes is not dumping a particular memory mapping (executable), and I can't figure why. Already tried "gcore -a PID" and "echo 0xff > /proc/xxx/coredump_filter, no effect. This memory range is the process own executable code. It seems to work only if I debug that memory zone with breakpoints, or by using "find", then gcore will include it in the dump.
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2021-05-16 10:33:50	paulcarroty	ah, there's ~/.config/environment.d/ for wayland+systemd-user
2021-05-16 10:33:56	rascul	back in the day we had to do LD_PRELOAD hacks to get rid of the barely usable gtk/gnome file chooser
2021-05-16 10:34:00	hexnewbie	Unfortunately, gtk and kde seem to be the only portals available, so outside of installing KDE or writing your own implementation, you can't use a different picker
2021-05-16 10:34:09	paulcarroty	well, at least a try for some standard
2021-05-16 10:34:24	IIIFE	Would it be possible to write a file picker WITH thumbnails in xlib alone?
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2021-05-16 10:34:53	rascul	hexnewbie there appears to be a wlroots portal
2021-05-16 10:34:55	hexnewbie	IIIFE: You mean, write your own widget toolkit?
2021-05-16 10:35:11	IIIFE	No, I mean if you're writing a GTK or Qt application, call a different file picker instead.
2021-05-16 10:35:46	hexnewbie	Well, would you use GTK or Qt for that file picker?
2021-05-16 10:36:02	IIIFE	I already mentioned xlib, raw xlib.
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2021-05-16 10:36:14	alex11	can you use pavucontrol with pipewire?
2021-05-16 10:36:26	paulcarroty	doubt it
2021-05-16 10:36:35	hexnewbie	IIIFE: So you'd have to write your own widget toolkit (adhoc and piecewise as it might be) for the picker, which might be a gargantuan task
2021-05-16 10:36:49	hexnewbie	And unportable to Wayland
2021-05-16 10:37:01	IIIFE	You mean to tell me that it would be impossible to write a simple file picker in xlib that would work with Qt/GTK?
2021-05-16 10:37:10	HyP3r	Maaaaan IPv6 sucks...
2021-05-16 10:37:17	rascul	not impossible but it sure wouldn't be nice to look at
2021-05-16 10:37:21	rascul	probably not nice to use, either
2021-05-16 10:37:23	HyP3r	I got the feeling slow that this isn't finished
2021-05-16 10:37:25	hexnewbie	IIIFE: Reinventing all the wheels is not exactly the same thing as impossible.
2021-05-16 10:37:49	paulcarroty	it will be hard task to write gui without gtk/qt
2021-05-16 10:38:00	IIIFE	Okay, let me change the question then, what if I made a custom file picker with GTK to replace the standard one?
2021-05-16 10:38:05	hexnewbie	IIIFE: I mean, you're rejecting even Xaw widgets, which are horrible to begin with.
2021-05-16 10:38:11	paulcarroty	like reinventing the weel
2021-05-16 10:38:12	petrj	IIFE: given it is taking firefox 9 years to provide week-only picker for html5 conformance, it could be a daunting task
2021-05-16 10:38:39	rascul	paulcarroty not really, other options exist
2021-05-16 10:38:49	ncuxo	Hello is this still the recommended way of doing whole disk pass through in virt-manager? https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/6/html/virtualization_administration_guide/sect-virtualization-adding_storage_devices_to_guests-adding_hard_drives_and_other_block_devices_to_a_guest
2021-05-16 10:38:54	paulcarroty	IIIFE try and tell us
2021-05-16 10:39:21	hexnewbie	IIIFE: You can write your own GTK picker. You can use the portal API to get it used by some programs. You can try forcing it on all other programs using LD_PRELOAD. Sometimes that works.
2021-05-16 10:40:14	IIIFE	Okay good. I can use GTK without using the horrid file picker that windows users use to laugh that linux can't show thumbnails as a meme.
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2021-05-16 10:40:46	sklv	who cares, let them laugh
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2021-05-16 10:40:59	sklv	I think wofi supports selecting pictures with thumbnails
2021-05-16 10:40:59	paulcarroty	gtk picker shows the thumbs
2021-05-16 10:40:59	hexnewbie	Memes is the prime thing to worry about
2021-05-16 10:41:35	paulcarroty	the problem in small overwiew
2021-05-16 10:41:53	IIIFE	I wouldn't mind GTK being made fun of if I didn't see it once an hour on /g/. Literally once an hour or a linux thread will get derailed over the file picker.
2021-05-16 10:42:19	rascul	we'll never have the year of the linux desktop until gtk and show thumbnails in the file picker
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2021-05-16 10:42:23	sklv	IIIFE: you do realise that if it somehow gets fixed, they will immediately pick something else to meme?
2021-05-16 10:42:23	hexnewbie	Hmm, well, that is true as well. The GTK picker *has* thumbnails, in fact it shows them for all files by default and you can't disable them
2021-05-16 10:42:32	rascul	or maybe i meant gnome
2021-05-16 10:43:00	hexnewbie	Now, they are 16x16 pixels for me, and there's no way to make them bigger or to show a file preview, but... GIMP adds its own, so who cares?
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2021-05-16 10:43:10	rascul	what is /g/ ?
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2021-05-16 10:43:19	sklv	rascul: a 4chan board for Technology
2021-05-16 10:43:21	rascul	oh
2021-05-16 10:43:22	IIIFE	The technology board on 4chan. Lots of shitposting and consumer bullshit.
2021-05-16 10:43:31	rascul	hexnewbie are they thumbnails or previews though?
2021-05-16 10:43:37	niflce	what is meme
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2021-05-16 10:43:53	IIIFE	Any time there's a linux vulnerability expect about 20-30 "LINUX BTFO" threads by shills and windows users.
2021-05-16 10:43:57	hexnewbie	rascul: The icon for all my photos is a 16x16 thumbnail of the photo.
2021-05-16 10:44:20	hexnewbie	rascul: Not entirely useful, but qualifies as a thumbnail. Even has the size of one.
2021-05-16 10:44:23	sklv	IIIFE: but it's the same for windows or mac or android or ios - they're not more bias than the rest of the internet
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2021-05-16 10:44:41	hexnewbie	Well, pinkynail
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2021-05-16 10:45:19	rascul	hexnewbie this article whines about toilets and says they're previews not thumbnails   https://jayfax.neocities.org/mediocrity/gnome-has-no-thumbnails-in-the-file-picker.html
2021-05-16 10:45:43	rascul	it's probably not useful to read that, though
2021-05-16 10:46:01	hexnewbie	rascul: I don't have the preview thing. I do have thumbnails, though.
2021-05-16 10:46:11	IIIFE	What program does that hexnewbie?
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2021-05-16 10:46:16	rascul	i don't know if i have anything
2021-05-16 10:46:41	hexnewbie	IIIFE: Geany, File -> Open
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2021-05-16 10:47:37	IIIFE	People often forget that when they complain GTK is bloated, that Qt is a monster of a program as well. And nobody uses tk or FLTK.
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2021-05-16 10:48:23	sklv	IIIFE: apparently KDE has thumbnails, so if you want to "BTFO" all the trolls on /g/ you could just install KDE
2021-05-16 10:48:24	rascul	gtk is bloated?
2021-05-16 10:48:49	 *	omero can I agree to disagree?
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2021-05-16 10:48:53	rascul	omero NO
2021-05-16 10:49:00	omero	thanks, rascul
2021-05-16 10:49:08	IIIFE	They'll just go ">You have to install extra bloat to make linux usable" "THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF LINUX!"
2021-05-16 10:49:09	omero	it was instinctive
2021-05-16 10:49:16	petrj	gui is a BF mistake.. give me a terminal and a browser, and i'm all set.
2021-05-16 10:49:19	rascul	no peaceful disagreeing, only arguing is allowed here
2021-05-16 10:49:42	hexnewbie	GUI = bloat
2021-05-16 10:49:51	petrj	xactly
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2021-05-16 10:49:54	omero	ah... I might have a different concept of 'arguing'
2021-05-16 10:49:56	IIIFE	Everything that takes up even a single byte of space you won't use 100% is bloat.
2021-05-16 10:50:03	omero	discussion?
2021-05-16 10:50:13	sklv	IIIFE: unlike windows, obviously
2021-05-16 10:50:13	rascul	as long as you're not agreeing
2021-05-16 10:50:22	sklv	so maybe, writing your own filepicker isn't the answer ;)
2021-05-16 10:50:50	omero	academic discussion, rascul ?
2021-05-16 10:50:58	rascul	i'm not at an academy
2021-05-16 10:51:06	omero	Id like to not agree.
2021-05-16 10:51:18	rascul	i'll argue that with you
2021-05-16 10:51:22	omero	on principle, advocatus diaboli
2021-05-16 10:51:42	rascul	english only
2021-05-16 10:51:42	omero	thats an academic discussion
2021-05-16 10:52:09	hexnewbie	The devil has always been right about everything, anyway
2021-05-16 10:52:09	omero	thats latin. english is rather '... er... ' filled with latin ;)
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2021-05-16 10:52:22	rascul	has not
2021-05-16 10:52:25	omero	lol
2021-05-16 10:52:41	omero	ok. we agree to disagree... point goes to rascul
2021-05-16 10:52:57	 *	rascul wins
2021-05-16 10:53:00	akik	(cookie)
2021-05-16 10:53:19	omero	/o/
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2021-05-16 10:53:53	omero	we need an arbiter here...
2021-05-16 10:54:11	omero	does that word exists in english?
2021-05-16 10:54:27	niflce	if anything a gui be written as like emacs Ill get on it
2021-05-16 10:54:30	caterfxo	arbiter? yes
2021-05-16 10:54:36	rascul	yes, it's called arbiter
2021-05-16 10:54:38	omero	refeery
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2021-05-16 10:55:00	rascul	i guess it's similar to these things we call judges
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2021-05-16 10:55:49	omero	referee
2021-05-16 10:55:51	akik	cookie monster can act as one
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2021-05-16 10:55:54	omero	sorry
2021-05-16 10:56:00	akik	reefer?
2021-05-16 10:56:06	petrj	umpire
2021-05-16 10:56:10	caterfxo	reef?
2021-05-16 10:56:21	omero	umpire!
2021-05-16 10:56:22	petrj	cricket in me has just spoken -.-
2021-05-16 10:56:23	omero	yes
2021-05-16 10:56:23	rascul	where's the reefer?
2021-05-16 10:56:31	akik	copenhagen
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2021-05-16 10:56:36	rascul	too far :(
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2021-05-16 10:56:45	rascul	come to america
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2021-05-16 10:57:04	rascul	it's fun, there's even a couple movies about it
2021-05-16 10:57:05	omero	ok. we're on ##linux ... not on ##chat... right?
2021-05-16 10:57:06	omero	lol
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2021-05-16 10:57:13	hexnewbie	omero: I disagree
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2021-05-16 10:57:22	 *	rascul linuxes omero
2021-05-16 10:57:29	omero	we are not on ##linux ?
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2021-05-16 10:57:39	rascul	in, not on
2021-05-16 10:57:48	omero	then I must have tuned to the wrong show...
2021-05-16 10:57:54	hexnewbie	omero: No, in my opinion, this is ##battlestargalactica
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2021-05-16 10:58:14	omero	ok.... we definitely are on ##linux
2021-05-16 10:58:25	rascul	a/s/l?
2021-05-16 10:58:37	omero	lol
2021-05-16 10:58:45	hexnewbie	We cylons don't have any of those three
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2021-05-16 10:58:59	caterfxo	Australian as a Second Language?
2021-05-16 10:59:05	rascul	yes
2021-05-16 10:59:23	omero	do not resist. you will join the dark side (sooner or later)
2021-05-16 10:59:38	hexnewbie	caterfxo: Is Australian better than Clojure?
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2021-05-16 11:00:00	omero	ooops... that was meant for ##chat
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2021-05-16 11:01:58	 *	omero is flabbergasted
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2021-05-16 11:07:08	peac	any conky experienced users around here ?
2021-05-16 11:07:40	dustpow	Recording my desktop with either simplescreenrercorder or obs I get a file without audio. It has been working for long time flawlessly but now all of a sudden the audio stream is not recorded..I didn't change any settings
2021-05-16 11:08:05	caterfxo	kernel upgrade?
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2021-05-16 11:11:04	peac	i'm using a python script to generate my conky text without relying on conky's own variables and i'd like to draw some bars from my own variables
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2021-05-16 11:11:31	peac	i found this which looks great https://github.com/fisadev/conky-draw
2021-05-16 11:12:49	peac	but i'm not sure how to use it, when i insert `${lua bar_graph 10}` it's complaining about the `conky_value` that should be in the component config
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2021-05-16 11:22:56	COVID-1984	xinput --set-prop for the mouse changes ID a lot... depending on what is plugged in via USB
2021-05-16 11:23:05	COVID-1984	Any idea how to make it consistent?
2021-05-16 11:23:59	rascul	i don't think you can
2021-05-16 11:24:45	rascul	can use device name instead of id though
2021-05-16 11:26:12	COVID-1984	nevermind https://askubuntu.com/questions/20298/how-to-make-xinput-settings-persist-after-devices-are-unplugged-replugged-and
2021-05-16 11:26:13	COVID-1984	yep
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2021-05-16 12:40:02	porky	I just discovered that Manjaro is using a russian government owned ISP to host their downloads :S
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2021-05-16 12:45:33	lopid	anyone have a non-systemd solution to php-fpm not being able to write to nextcloud's config? https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Nextcloud#php-fpm
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2021-05-16 12:47:44	McErroneous	I tried making hardlink-based backup of a <dir>, but "du -hs ./<dira> ./<dirb>" is showing different sizes.., it that normal , or maybe i did a mistake ... ?
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2021-05-16 12:48:13	lopid	same fs?
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2021-05-16 12:48:45	McErroneous	lopid: yes..., ntfs-share (ntfs-3g)
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2021-05-16 12:49:52	McErroneous	well it is not a ntfs-share , but a ntfs filesystem..
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2021-05-16 12:51:15	petrj	shouldn't it be otfs by now?
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2021-05-16 12:51:52	petrj	ok, it was new in 1999.. but it's ...almost.. 2022 rn
2021-05-16 12:52:02	[R]	ntfs doesnt supporth ardlinks
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2021-05-16 12:52:21	[R]	only real filesytems
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2021-05-16 12:52:43	petrj	simply put, ntfs ain't cool
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2021-05-16 12:53:53	petrj	alexa: say few bad things about ntfs
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2021-05-16 12:54:41	McErroneous	[R]: hmmm...., nice one...
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2021-05-16 12:56:17	hexnewbie	I'm 98% sure NTFS does support hard links, and 92% sure NTFS-3G supports them
2021-05-16 12:56:20	McErroneous	petrj: LOL...
2021-05-16 12:56:26	[R]	hexnewbie: only 92%?
2021-05-16 12:58:23	McErroneous	petrj: if alexa can do that.., i might really start thinking about getting her..., into my place...
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2021-05-16 13:02:07	petrj	lol maybe with the new firmware upgrade alexa might get the promised wits2.0
2021-05-16 13:02:57	petrj	but worth having her at the apartment 8-)
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2021-05-16 13:04:37	ptah	 Originally Posted by Adolph Kevorkian View Post
2021-05-16 13:04:37	ptah	Such a Germanic tribe by that name has never existed. You just made it up.
2021-05-16 13:04:37	ptah	There was a minor, insignificant and obscure tribe by the name of Armalausi, most likely clustering with the Hermunduri.
2021-05-16 13:04:37	ptah	"after the "Armanen," supposedly the heirs of the sun-king, a body of priest-kings in the ancient Ario-Germanic nation)."
2021-05-16 13:04:37	ptah	Not the the 'scholar' in this case ALSO refutes the fact by using supposed naturally would do any doctrine that became part of German revival. I again maintain that the primary Solar God Irmin or Armin (out of which you get German Arminia) has NOTHING to do with 'army man' and is in fact the name of the ancient Germans out of which evolved the name Hermann (parallel of Armin(ius) and German with H-G shift just like in eastern
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2021-05-16 13:04:51	hexnewbie	We need adoption of ReFS in place of NTFS so that GNU/Linux can no longer have read/write access. Like with APFS.
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2021-05-16 13:05:31	ptah	 Originally Posted by Adolph Kevorkian View Post
2021-05-16 13:05:31	ptah	Such a Germanic tribe by that name has never existed. You just made it up.
2021-05-16 13:05:31	ptah	There was a minor, insignificant and obscure tribe by the name of Armalausi, most likely clustering with the Hermunduri.
2021-05-16 13:05:31	ptah	"after the "Armanen," supposedly the heirs of the sun-king, a body of priest-kings in the ancient Ario-Germanic nation)."
2021-05-16 13:05:31	ptah	Not the the 'scholar' in this case ALSO refutes the fact by using supposed naturally would do any doctrine that became part of German revival. I again maintain that the primary Solar God Irmin or Armin (out of which you get German Arminia) has NOTHING to do with 'army man' and is in fact the name of the ancient Germans out of which evolved the name Hermann (parallel of Armin(ius) and German with H-G shift just like in eastern
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2021-05-16 13:17:41	akik	if not hardlinks but you can create directory junctions on ntfs that act like sym links
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2021-05-16 13:17:53	akik	mklink /J
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2021-05-16 13:20:45	Peasant65	Hey! :)   Do sata harddrives have a way to physically identify a disk? Like a UUID but hardware-imprinted or something alike?
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2021-05-16 13:21:18	hexnewbie	Peasant65: /dev/disk/by-id
2021-05-16 13:21:21	qqqhhh	each drive has a serial number and WWN
2021-05-16 13:21:25	Peasant65	I got 6 x 1tb disks, some of the same make and model, some not. I want to be able to identify them, in case I need to replace one.
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2021-05-16 13:22:53	Peasant65	by-id is based on the filesystem uuid right? Which is stored in the mbr/gpt? I'm not sure.
2021-05-16 13:23:03	hexnewbie	no
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2021-05-16 13:23:49	Peasant65	WWN seems to be what i'm looking for. Thanks qqqhhh :)
2021-05-16 13:24:00	Peasant65	hexnewbie then what does it do?
2021-05-16 13:24:06	akik	Peasant65: udevadm test /block/sda
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2021-05-16 13:25:06	akik	(needs root)
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2021-05-16 13:26:47	hexnewbie	Peasant65: Serial number, WWN, RAID identifier and others, depending on controller
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2021-05-16 13:27:49	Peasant65	hmm... What's the advantage of switching between different identification schemes automatically?
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2021-05-16 13:34:37	rudar	i'm getting error "Unknown symbol clean_record_shared_mapping_range (err -2)" and "Unknown symbol wp_shared_mapping_range (err -2)" when loading vmwgfx kernel module
2021-05-16 13:34:44	rudar	can somebody help me troubleshoot this?
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2021-05-16 13:35:49	LeoNice81	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9pMB6u9dbs youtube-dl says i have to sign in??
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2021-05-16 13:37:06	[R]	rudar: where did this module come from?
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2021-05-16 13:37:24	rudar	that's the DRM driver for VMware's graphics card
2021-05-16 13:37:28	smlavine	LeoNice81: Try #youtube-dl
2021-05-16 13:37:48	[R]	rudar: i didnt ask what it was...
2021-05-16 13:38:33	rudar	where it comes from huh.. it was bundled with package sys-kernel/gentoo-sources on gentoo
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2021-05-16 13:38:59	rudar	https://gitweb.gentoo.org/repo/gentoo.git/tree/sys-kernel/gentoo-sources/gentoo-sources-5.10.27.ebuild
2021-05-16 13:39:00	IIIFE	What is your opinions on cinelerra-gg? How does it compare to proprietary video editors? Because the standard ones like kdenlive either crash all the time or are WMV tier editors. Sadly, open source lacks a decent non linear video editor.
2021-05-16 13:40:14	esselfe	I think blender can edit videos too, not sure
2021-05-16 13:40:16	hexnewbie	IIIFE: I've been recommended Blender on several occasions (I've only used Blender for simple models, but it has a non-linear video editor)
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2021-05-16 13:40:27	[R]	rudar: either you screwed up compiling it, or there is a bug in the kernel
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2021-05-16 13:41:25	IIIFE	I'm aware of the blender one, but I don't think it was meant to be a major video editor, but it at least doesn't crash as much as other ones do.
2021-05-16 13:41:29	rudar	[R], i'm gonna try first to obtain the kernel from the kernel.org and see if anything changes, if that's the occasion i'll file a bug report on gentoo
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2021-05-16 13:43:07	LeoNice81	smlavine not much going on in #youtube-dl
2021-05-16 13:44:07	smlavine	LeoNice81: Well if you tried to view the video in your browser you would see right away that it is age-restricted
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2021-05-16 13:44:55	Abbott	how can I set my umask so that I create dirs with the sgid bit? I tried 2007 and 5007 but those didn't work
2021-05-16 13:45:15	Abbott	I want rwxrws--- for dirs and rw-rw---- for files
2021-05-16 13:45:39	[R]	Abbott: you can't
2021-05-16 13:45:47	hexnewbie	Abbott: You can't. The setgid bit is automatically inherited, from what I recall. What's the goal?
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2021-05-16 13:46:27	Abbott	I want all files created in a directory to inherit the group of the parent
2021-05-16 13:47:00	hexnewbie	Abbott: Setting chmod g+s /path/to/dir/ # will do that (and will set g+s on directories created inside of it)
2021-05-16 13:47:23	Abbott	oh right, duh
2021-05-16 13:47:32	Abbott	thank you
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2021-05-16 13:48:38	IIIFE	Isn't it true that blenders VSE will only use one core max to render video hexnewbie?
2021-05-16 13:48:41	LeoNice81	smlavine yeah, i just login and view it, just cant get youtube-dl to download it
2021-05-16 13:49:10	smlavine	LeoNice81: Well, if youtube wont let you view it without logging in, then you can't download it with youtube-dl I don't think
2021-05-16 13:49:26	hexnewbie	LeoNice81: man youtube-dl, search for --username
2021-05-16 13:49:33	Abbott	what is the fourth byte in umask for then? I can only seem to set it to 0
2021-05-16 13:50:20	akik	Abbott: 4 and 2 are for the s-bits
2021-05-16 13:50:30	akik	Abbott: if you meant the xnnn x
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2021-05-16 13:50:42	hexnewbie	Abbott: There isn't one, the umask is set to whatever you passed & 0777
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2021-05-16 13:51:14	akik	oh umask
2021-05-16 13:51:23	akik	my eyes are sleepy
2021-05-16 13:52:01	omero	I thought umask was octal
2021-05-16 13:52:30	Abbott	ok gotcha
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2021-05-16 13:53:29	hexnewbie	omero: Fourth tribit then!
2021-05-16 13:53:34	[R]	omero: the octagon!?
2021-05-16 13:53:46	omero	octal. nothing else.
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2021-05-16 13:54:01	rascul	don't be so octal
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2021-05-16 13:54:08	hexnewbie	Don't be so octal.
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2021-05-16 13:54:25	[R]	my cat keeps parting radom channels
2021-05-16 13:54:29	petrj	cocktail
2021-05-16 13:54:38	rascul	[R] it's probably not random
2021-05-16 13:54:43	hexnewbie	[R]: You're your cat.
2021-05-16 13:54:45	omero	lol... its what I have been 'instructed'
2021-05-16 13:54:50	[R]	hexnewbie: very exetensial
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2021-05-16 13:55:12	 *	omero miaoows
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2021-05-16 13:55:25	rascul	oh radom, not random
2021-05-16 13:55:29	[R]	lol
2021-05-16 13:55:32	rascul	how many channels does radom even have?
2021-05-16 13:55:38	omero	octopussical?
2021-05-16 13:55:39	[R]	so far hes parted 2 channels
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2021-05-16 13:56:09	hexnewbie	I'm pretty sure the cat has never been to Poland. Maybe it's a radon cat?
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2021-05-16 13:56:29	omero	Im unsure I can say 'tentacled octal ... the terminator word' here
2021-05-16 13:56:40	omero	it could be misinterpreted
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2021-05-16 13:57:21	mattallmill	T-800?
2021-05-16 13:57:25	omero	umask is very octal tho
2021-05-16 13:58:03	hexnewbie	I just write my mask in decimal, like 18, to confuse the heck out of everyone
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2021-05-16 13:58:18	kfrench	18 is one more than 17
2021-05-16 13:58:42	hexnewbie	If you're too octal, you can't parse that sentence.
2021-05-16 13:58:44	omero	rotfl
2021-05-16 13:59:10	luke-jr	is the official POSIX spec online anywhere?
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2021-05-16 13:59:20	omero	yes, luke-jr
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2021-05-16 14:01:09	nylon0700	uhm hello all
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2021-05-16 14:02:13	jim	hi
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2021-05-16 14:03:11	jim	please don't do a lot of nick changes
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2021-05-16 14:03:53	nylon0666	define a lot
2021-05-16 14:04:09	unixbsd	Linux with systemd is frozen at first boot, with :   starting Cold Plug all udev    ... are you going one day to remove Systemd from Linux? this systemd technology makes Linux non reliable.
2021-05-16 14:04:12	jim	more than one :) well, 2 is ok
2021-05-16 14:04:21	nylon0666	:D
2021-05-16 14:04:35	nylon0666	was trying to convey umask
2021-05-16 14:04:37	petrj	dang, i was going for 3 :/
2021-05-16 14:04:39	jim	you're giving a lot of work to the servers when you do
2021-05-16 14:04:40	xiaomiao	unixbsd: you could just use one of the distros that haven't downgraded yet ;)
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2021-05-16 14:04:53	nylon0666	but this is a different user
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2021-05-16 14:05:05	metbsd	is it possible to make a couple linux distributuion to share single flatpak partition?
2021-05-16 14:05:09	[R]	unixbsd: F- on your trolling attempt
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2021-05-16 14:05:10	nylon0666	technically I only used /nick once
2021-05-16 14:05:12	jim	no it isn'
2021-05-16 14:05:14	luke-jr	whoa, struct passwd isn't required to have pw_passwd field at all
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2021-05-16 14:05:44	jim	nylon0666, true... I'm just asking you to consider the server workload
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2021-05-16 14:05:51	hexnewbie	luke-jr: Sounds... reasonable.
2021-05-16 14:06:04	omero	I understand jim
2021-05-16 14:06:20	hexnewbie	luke-jr: Apparently, secure-minded sanity will comply with the POSIX standard.
2021-05-16 14:06:20	omero	and wont abuse...
2021-05-16 14:06:21	jim	cool
2021-05-16 14:06:34	jim	thanks
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2021-05-16 14:07:05	omero	I appreciate you are appreciating
2021-05-16 14:07:05	[R]	jim: that has got to be the STUPIDEST reason i've ever heard for why peopel shoudln't cahnge nicks
2021-05-16 14:07:28	jim	it's pretty much the biggest reasoin
2021-05-16 14:07:33	[R]	ROFL
2021-05-16 14:07:44	luke-jr	hexnewbie: yeah, but OpenSSH won't even compile then
2021-05-16 14:07:47	omero	resoin is english, right?
2021-05-16 14:08:05	luke-jr	hexnewbie: trying to figure out where the blame lies for OpenSSH segfaulting on latest Android :/
2021-05-16 14:08:12	luke-jr	looks like it's OpenSSH's fault
2021-05-16 14:08:14	peac	do you have an idea how to overlay a transparent image on my desktop background ?
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2021-05-16 14:08:32	jim	if you crawl back in your box, you'd be rox in box
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2021-05-16 14:08:34	peac	i'm doing it using python to create a new image and display it with feh but it's too slow
2021-05-16 14:09:05	peac	is there a way to just display the background image and also display a mostly transparent image over it?
2021-05-16 14:09:34	peac	after fighting with conky i decided it's shit and i'm making my own, html/css based monitor
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2021-05-16 14:09:45	peac	it's outputing a transparent image with my info
2021-05-16 14:10:14	peac	but the 6s of overlaying my transparent image over the original 4k image kills it
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2021-05-16 14:11:00	omero	wait... you mean you using conky in something like fluxbox, peac ?
2021-05-16 14:11:21	peac	i mean i was trying to set up conky in i3 and i don't like it
2021-05-16 14:11:45	peac	so i have a python script that fetches info
2021-05-16 14:11:57	peac	jinja html template to put it in form
2021-05-16 14:12:26	peac	wkhtmltoimage to make the html a transparent image of the size of my screen
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2021-05-16 14:16:44	omero	for a little more, yes :P
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2021-05-16 14:17:23	omero	but I am curious... do you have a sketch that can really explain what you are trying to achieve?
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2021-05-16 14:18:11	omero	I mean... I have conky running since mmm quite a bit... and I disagree on the 'bad' part
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2021-05-16 14:18:57	peac	basically just replace conky, i don't like how conky is built. It's very hard to make it dynamic, positioning is terrible, very few actual extension library exist and they are badly documented
2021-05-16 14:19:07	peac	i tried to have a bar to display a custom value
2021-05-16 14:19:08	omero	but know that I am not much too into 'eyecandies'
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2021-05-16 14:19:59	omero	ah.... you want to use it as a 'real time monitor'
2021-05-16 14:20:09	peac	yes, how do you use it?
2021-05-16 14:20:43	omero	to display things that are not in the 'real time reliable' perspective
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2021-05-16 14:21:22	omero	for instance... its great to display log files? mmmm.. probably
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2021-05-16 14:21:53	esselfe	I use it mostly for moniutoring my ram
2021-05-16 14:21:55	omero	is it good to display CPU workload? probably not
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2021-05-16 14:21:58	peac	yeah, maybe... already having 2 computers starts to make it complicated, not to mention different oses
2021-05-16 14:22:11	esselfe	then the CPU temperature
2021-05-16 14:22:28	omero	yep... precisely esselfe
2021-05-16 14:22:46	esselfe	then disk space
2021-05-16 14:22:46	omero	thats mostly 'safe' an indication...
2021-05-16 14:23:09	omero	I wouldnt use conky to have as 'mission critical' monitor
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2021-05-16 14:23:45	omero	so to speak... I would rely on hardware for those things
2021-05-16 14:23:54	hrtk	The strncpy_from_kernel_nofault function copies *to* kernel var but is named `from_kernel`, is there any rationale behind this?
2021-05-16 14:23:55	esselfe	for cpu and live disk monitoring I use gkrellm
2021-05-16 14:23:59	peac	so my python script actually gets these info dynamically, depending on your hardware, populates an object with everything, which i can then display how the f i want using html and css, and it is great up to that point
2021-05-16 14:24:29	peac	but the image overlaying stuff breaks the intent
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2021-05-16 14:24:51	omero	yes... I also have gkrellm run as 'a remote' on most remote systems... its quite good... but is that real-time? its a good approximation... probably
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2021-05-16 14:25:21	esselfe	I find it pretty accurate
2021-05-16 14:25:34	esselfe	like once a second
2021-05-16 14:25:59	omero	it is... but I find it is ... ahm... somewhat... depending on everything else
2021-05-16 14:26:00	esselfe	and there's the ticker that can go like 10 times a second
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2021-05-16 14:27:15	omero	Id probably be running terminals with some kind of HTOP-like thing to see the CPU/Cores... on a system
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2021-05-16 14:27:46	omero	as of temperature... I'd rather be 'listening' at the noise the fans are making... etcetera
2021-05-16 14:28:23	omero	Im amazed that gkrellm and conky are still useable
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2021-05-16 14:28:44	omero	but they are just _that_ good
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2021-05-16 14:28:48	esselfe	yeah it uses gtk+-2
2021-05-16 14:28:52	esselfe	(gkrellm)
2021-05-16 14:29:13	omero	lol... yes...
2021-05-16 14:29:34	omero	simple... and "almost reliable"... esselfe
2021-05-16 14:30:39	omero	wew... I remember what it meant to 'have a reliable way' of monitoring a system before we had X11...
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2021-05-16 14:31:31	omero	now... I want to know why peac thinks conky is bad :P
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2021-05-16 14:32:01	omero	I know (probably) what he means.. it takes seconds to have a 'measure'
2021-05-16 14:32:20	omero	but I think its not because conky is intrinsecally bad...
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2021-05-16 14:32:30	peac	no, it was fast, .5s was good enough for me and it could go faster
2021-05-16 14:32:54	omero	it depends on the 'structure', peac
2021-05-16 14:33:02	peac	but i tried to have a custom bar graph with custom style, with dynamic data
2021-05-16 14:33:05	omero	conky is not bad...
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2021-05-16 14:33:26	omero	but you cant push the structure much ...
2021-05-16 14:33:32	peac	and after getting acquainted with lua for that sole purpose, i realized conky is not architectured to be dynamic
2021-05-16 14:33:55	omero	precisely...
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2021-05-16 14:34:26	omero	I think that conky wasnt conceived to be 'real time'
2021-05-16 14:34:44	esselfe	peac: there's always the possibility to write it, something like https://github.com/esselfe/xpulse
2021-05-16 14:34:47	omero	as in ... well... Real Time Reliable
2021-05-16 14:35:14	esselfe	I mean you could just hook up something to measure
2021-05-16 14:35:27	omero	even Unix had its 'evolution' into UNIX-RTR
2021-05-16 14:35:29	esselfe	it's a simple bar you put in the corner of a screen
2021-05-16 14:35:58	peac	esselfe: that's an approach i was looking at yes
2021-05-16 14:36:13	peac	ideally i'd like it to be natively compatible with wayland too though
2021-05-16 14:36:28	omero	gkrellm for insance provides that what you are trying to achieve in a nutshell, peac
2021-05-16 14:36:55	omero	and its much more suited to the task
2021-05-16 14:37:15	omero	(if I may dare to say such a thing)
2021-05-16 14:38:07	omero	again... conky is not bad... its just meant to be something different for that kind of pourpose
2021-05-16 14:38:09	peac	omero: gkrellm does not seem to have much visual flexibility though, i'm looking to use the whole space of background with different sections and different types of graphs
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2021-05-16 14:38:48	peac	yes sorry for ranting "conky bad"
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2021-05-16 14:38:56	Northwoods	How can i install sudo apt-get install php-imagick on specific version of php , i have 2 versions php8.0 and the php7.2 , by default it is installing on php8.0
2021-05-16 14:39:00	peac	it does one thing correctly and it's not what i need
2021-05-16 14:39:03	Northwoods	i want it to be on php7.2
2021-05-16 14:39:21	omero	yes. I know what you mean with that... you have 'a screen' or multiple screens... and you want to 'exploit' the full potential
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2021-05-16 14:40:18	omero	as a real example, peac ... in my case I have a multi-headed 'screen'
2021-05-16 14:40:59	omero	after years of trying... I gave up ... trying to have things where I really want them
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2021-05-16 14:41:22	omero	in the end, you get used to compromises
2021-05-16 14:41:27	peac	well that's why i spent my sunday
2021-05-16 14:41:39	omero	lol
2021-05-16 14:42:01	[R]	Northwoods: apt search will show you all the available packages
2021-05-16 14:42:13	omero	sorry... thats quite funny because.. sunday ... its a day in the life, isnt it?
2021-05-16 14:42:16	Northwoods	[R], it didn't
2021-05-16 14:42:17	 *	esselfe searches [R]'s available packages
2021-05-16 14:42:35	[R]	Northwoods: then i guess there is no package to install
2021-05-16 14:42:37	Northwoods	it did'nt even ask me
2021-05-16 14:42:56	Northwoods	is there an argument i can pass to this command to ask for php version
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2021-05-16 14:43:10	[R]	Northwoods: if the package isn't there, then its not there
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2021-05-16 14:43:42	peac	omero: it is, an also probably my only available day for the past and next 6 months lol
2021-05-16 14:43:44	esselfe	Northwoods: maybe with pear, not too sure sorry
2021-05-16 14:44:13	Northwoods	ok
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2021-05-16 14:44:39	omero	:P
2021-05-16 14:44:41	esselfe	but generally there's a package for it
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2021-05-16 14:45:12	omero	welcome into real world of unix, peac :P
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2021-05-16 14:45:34	peac	i get some very unexpected results setting the background with a transparent background lol
2021-05-16 14:45:37	peac	windows-bug like
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2021-05-16 14:46:16	peac	it's taking bits and piece of all opened windows to make a patchwork background
2021-05-16 14:46:18	omero	I did ask if you had a 'sketch' didnt I ask that? Id just would like to understand
2021-05-16 14:46:29	omero	ahhhh
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2021-05-16 14:46:47	peac	omero: you mean a sketch of my ideal monitoring ?
2021-05-16 14:46:48	omero	suddenly I think it has to do with GPU
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2021-05-16 14:47:14	peac	omero: that would make sense
2021-05-16 14:47:27	omero	noo... when the GPU is out of memory.. that you are describing ... happen
2021-05-16 14:47:39	omero	yes
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2021-05-16 14:48:13	peac	my gpu setup is a mess, basically 2 gpus, one of each brand, for reasons
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2021-05-16 14:48:24	peac	but i doubt they're oom
2021-05-16 14:48:24	omero	its like... welll... trying to have several things all *CHOMPING* the same cake
2021-05-16 14:48:28	esselfe	monitoring gpu mem is hard, never seen it
2021-05-16 14:48:35	esselfe	maybe in nvidia-msi
2021-05-16 14:48:57	omero	did you say nVidia?
2021-05-16 14:49:10	esselfe	I've seen a plugin with kde that shows GPU activity and fps, but not much
2021-05-16 14:49:21	esselfe	lol
2021-05-16 14:49:22	peac	already nice
2021-05-16 14:49:23	 *	omero jumps in the nearest cactus patch of cactii
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2021-05-16 14:49:56	kurahaupo	Northwoods: Chances are you have /usr/bin/php as a symlink to one of your versions of php, and most scripts that need a PHP interpreter will just use that. Perhaps  update-alternatives php might be able to fix it for you
2021-05-16 14:50:30	Northwoods	kurahaupo, yes probably
2021-05-16 14:51:22	kurahaupo	Or just manually set it with sudo ln -svTf … /usr/bin/php
2021-05-16 14:52:14	kurahaupo	Or edit the #! line in the script to be the version it needs
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2021-05-16 14:53:14	Northwoods	ok
2021-05-16 14:53:57	omero	thus peac ... you have a multi-head system...
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2021-05-16 14:54:09	omero	and you trying to use the real estate...
2021-05-16 14:54:16	omero	in realtime...
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2021-05-16 14:55:02	peac	omero: yeah i just want to be able to add a monitor how i want, when i want, quickly enough so that i will actually do it between 2 tasks when i need it
2021-05-16 14:55:03	omero	and today is sunday...
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2021-05-16 14:55:25	omero	rotfl.
2021-05-16 14:55:35	omero	its funny... but it isnt
2021-05-16 14:55:47	peac	so next time i have a sunday i will continue working on it
2021-05-16 14:55:52	omero	I finally think I got what you meant originally peac
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2021-05-16 14:56:11	peac	and you thinking that i'm overkill does not really bother me lol
2021-05-16 14:56:14	peac	maybe i am
2021-05-16 14:56:36	omero	nono... I perfectly understand now.
2021-05-16 14:57:00	omero	but I will never be able to help you out the "way" you want
2021-05-16 14:57:31	omero	Im retired/retarded :D
2021-05-16 14:57:42	peac	yeah unfortunately i don't think such a tool exists for now
2021-05-16 14:57:59	peac	i found a couple of abandonned projects which had the same goals
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2021-05-16 14:58:11	omero	it probably would make sense to have such a tool.. in a couple centuries :P
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2021-05-16 14:58:40	peac	https://github.com/mike168m/Cysboard
2021-05-16 14:58:44	peac	this one was promising
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2021-05-16 14:59:22	omero	mmm... probably Im remembering wrong... but there was a X11 precursor that made that happen
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2021-05-16 15:02:24	[R]	X10 ws the precursor to X11
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2021-05-16 15:04:12	phogg	W was the precursor to X (the first version)
2021-05-16 15:04:14	johnjay	i can't tell if that's a joke but if so good one
2021-05-16 15:04:22	phogg	not a joke
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2021-05-16 15:05:16	phogg	X10 was the first version to see wide use, X11 was the last major version. If people hadn't veered off into wayland we would be due for an X12 by now.
2021-05-16 15:05:24	[R]	i remmeber like 10 or 15 years ago
2021-05-16 15:05:28	[R]	there was something that was suppoes dto replace X
2021-05-16 15:05:30	[R]	but it was stupid
2021-05-16 15:05:32	phogg	X10 was late 80s
2021-05-16 15:05:33	[R]	and never took off
2021-05-16 15:05:48	[R]	maybe it was Y?
2021-05-16 15:05:52	phogg	[R]: Y windows was attempted ~2003 or so. It was a student project and never got anywhere.
2021-05-16 15:05:58	Prestige	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_Window_System#Origin_and_early_development
2021-05-16 15:06:05	phogg	[R]: It was just a basic windowing environment built on Linux framebuffer.
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2021-05-16 15:06:27	[R]	sounds lame
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2021-05-16 15:07:29	phogg	it was interesting, but considerably less viable than other alternatives no one has heard of
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2021-05-16 15:08:32	[R]	no one had heard of wayland at first
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2021-05-16 15:10:01	hexnewbie	I liked it more when I didn't know about it
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2021-05-16 15:10:41	phogg	hexnewbie: yeah, me too
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2021-05-16 15:13:18	rudar	[R], eventually i solved my problem by installing kernel from kernel.org
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2021-05-16 15:33:04	bernard__	good day to all
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2021-05-16 15:43:37	ramzy411	is icecat browser really not in the pacman repos?
2021-05-16 15:43:48	ramzy411	or is it just me?
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2021-05-16 15:43:59	kurahaupo	peac: if you're still using xorg rather than Wayland, look up the xrandr command. With that you can script whatever you want for multihead displays
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2021-05-16 15:46:25	kubast2	Yo is there some kind of interface for creating zram like block device but without compression bit?
2021-05-16 15:46:39	kubast2	I just want a 400KiB "swap" partition in ram to enable ram compression/zswap
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2021-05-16 15:47:24	dev4449	ramzy411: Are you aware of #archlinux ?
2021-05-16 15:47:29	kubast2	or can comp_algorithm "none" be selected for zram?
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2021-05-16 15:55:02	kubast2	I can use say a zram swap, but that's a waste of effort to put compressed swap on disk; Zram swap can also create a soft/hard lock on a system because the kernel expects that amount of swap space to be available for 100%, because to efficiently make use of as much zram swap as possible, you need to overcommit. If I use zswap as far as I understand it will also compress data going into swap, and that being zram it will be a double compression waste.
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2021-05-16 15:55:02	kubast2	I can't use overcommited zram swap+regular swap as backup, because once the system takes full priority on zram swap, even if it can't commit into it and there's a 2nd large swap pool. Putting priority of swap in reverse is pointless, as we first exhaust the slow disk pool and then the less accessed pages get the faster ram access of compressed pages.
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2021-05-16 16:12:20	blip-	hi all.  I'm trying to boot a linux liveusb on an 11 year old thinkpad - seems to keep randomly freezing at random points of the graphical startup (even when selecting "Legacy boot" in the grub menu)
2021-05-16 16:12:34	blip-	Are there some grub boot params you'd recommend I try booting with?
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2021-05-16 16:13:23	c705	you could try nomodeset
2021-05-16 16:13:29	c705	your mileage may vary
2021-05-16 16:14:38	akik	blip-: graphical startup means what? after entering your password?
2021-05-16 16:14:51	blip-	c705, ah yes i forgot that flag, will test
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2021-05-16 16:15:23	blip-	currently the "Safe mode" boot just sets gfxpayload=keep and passes quiet splash -- to kernel
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2021-05-16 16:15:47	blip-	akik, just after login, or just before
2021-05-16 16:15:54	akik	blip-: so both?
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2021-05-16 16:17:34	hexnewbie	I'm trying to judge if broken randomly crashing hardware, or reproducible crash at a specific point in non-deterministic boot order is more likely.
2021-05-16 16:17:56	hexnewbie	If it's very close to the login screen, I'd go with the latter. Otherwise, it sounded like hardware before that
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2021-05-16 16:18:35	akik	if supertuxkart shows it's using the nvidia card and runs with good fps, is my optimus config working?
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2021-05-16 16:18:36	blip-	with nomodeset (added atop quiet splash ---) it just says "Booting a command list" then freezes
2021-05-16 16:19:27	akik	if i run "xrandr --listproviders" it shows 0 for all outputs/providers
2021-05-16 16:19:30	blip-	akik, there's no password, it happens as soon as it enters desktop, sometimes it never reaches that.  there's not much text output from the boot other than some stuff about the disk cache
2021-05-16 16:20:19	akik	blip-: try what happens with "acpi=off apm=off"
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2021-05-16 16:22:27	asht	Hi, I compile my own kernel and I've disabled loadable modules support for it. Is it possible to to use the proprietary Nvidia driver? (i.e. embed the binaries into the kernel sources)
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2021-05-16 16:23:12	blip-	akik, sorry im rusty, are those passed alongside "queit" and "splash" or on top I "set acpi=off"?
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2021-05-16 16:23:42	akik	blip-: if i were you i'd through those quiet splash so far you won't see them any more
2021-05-16 16:23:57	akik	blip-: they are actively harmful in problem resolution
2021-05-16 16:24:22	akik	blip-: yes they are kernel parameters like quiet and splash
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2021-05-16 16:27:36	Nickwiz	Is there a way to complete the command in rofi run window without typing it all out?
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2021-05-16 16:27:55	blip-	akik, thanks. at least there's debugging output now, seems to keep printing some hexcodes and what looks like some kind of stack trace.  I will try booting the live USB on another system just to make sure that's not the issue
2021-05-16 16:28:42	blip-	I do suspect some bios related thing - although I did manage to install ubuntu 19 like 2 years ago (don't recall how I did that)... so ubuntu 21 should install fine
2021-05-16 16:29:11	Nickwiz	Say I want libreoffice --calc, I would type lib, select libreoffice, - but how to add --calc to that?
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2021-05-16 16:29:47	hexnewbie	Nickwiz: localc
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2021-05-16 16:31:37	blip-	Nickwiz, I don't use rofi but you could make a simple wrapper bash script called "libcalc", "libwriter" etc.. that you put on $PATH for rofi to pick up
2021-05-16 16:31:55	Nickwiz	hexnewbie: nice. Thanks. Did not know about that one.
2021-05-16 16:31:55	blip-	I use shell aliases for such things
2021-05-16 16:32:10	Nickwiz	Yes, but libreoffice --calc was en example
2021-05-16 16:32:11	hexnewbie	Complex bash completion is a bash thing (i.e. even zsh has a separate completion support), one that does not exist for the libreoffice command even in bash, you'd be lucky to get even a bit of it in anything else (mc command line, whatever's run command, even krunner which is annoyingly featureful)
2021-05-16 16:32:22	Nickwiz	I meant as to add options to any command
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2021-05-16 16:32:35	blip-	ah gotchu
2021-05-16 16:32:39	bernard__	alias?
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2021-05-16 16:33:03	hexnewbie	Though krunner has recent command history, so it remembers you typed libreoffice --calc (of course in an annoying fashion that makes it useful only if it was your last command)
2021-05-16 16:33:18	blip-	bernard__, it's like aliens, but cooler
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2021-05-16 16:33:30	blip-	brb
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2021-05-16 16:34:43	bernard__	good take
2021-05-16 16:34:55	Nickwiz	Yeah. I really do not like the original run menu in Ubuntu, so I switched to rofi, but perhaps plasma on next install.
2021-05-16 16:36:42	Nickwiz	It is of course a tad more then a run menu
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2021-05-16 16:38:32	Nickwiz	Hmm, drun looks promising. Can add that to Another shortcut
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2021-05-16 16:40:27	Nickwiz	Not for adding options, but different filtering on applications.
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2021-05-16 16:43:32	blip-	akik, live usb is fine, boots fine on other machines :(   Still getting those stack trace hex stuff :(
2021-05-16 16:45:03	akik	blip-: what if you boot into virtual console only? "systemd.unit=multi-user.target"
2021-05-16 16:45:17	akik	   -^ kernel parameter
2021-05-16 16:45:20	Nickwiz	OK. Ctrl+Space completes the selected item. I missed it in the manpages :/
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2021-05-16 16:46:47	akik	blip-: maybe it has a problem with your graphics chip?
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2021-05-16 16:55:48	blip-	akik, ty, give me a few mins to try please. Doubt it's graphics chip cos I already have ubuntu 19 installed on the system and that runs fine
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2021-05-16 16:56:56	Lope	let's say I've got a 10TB HDD and I make 10 1TB GPT partitions on it
2021-05-16 16:57:05	Lope	let's sall them 0..9
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2021-05-16 16:57:22	Lope	can I delete partition 1, then expand 0 into the space of 1?
2021-05-16 16:57:25	GenTooMan	is their a way to limit an applications memory allocation?
2021-05-16 16:57:38	hexnewbie	Lope: Yes, but you can't do the opposite.
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2021-05-16 16:57:58	Lope	hexnewbie, if I do that, would the partitions appear as sda1 sda3, sda4, etc?
2021-05-16 16:58:25	Lope	hexnewbie, you're saying I can't shrink partition 0 then create partition 1 again?
2021-05-16 16:58:32	Lope	That's ok, just asking.
2021-05-16 16:58:59	hexnewbie	Lope: Yes, they would. GPT numbers don't change. And no, you can shrink it, but you can't delete part0 and extend part1.
2021-05-16 16:59:11	hexnewbie	Lope: Because you made the mistake of using partitions instead of LVM
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2021-05-16 16:59:33	Lope	oh sure, yeah I know I can't expand partitions backwards
2021-05-16 16:59:42	hexnewbie	Well, xfs can't be shrunk. And ext4 can't be shrunk without unmounting. So there are limitations to shrinking as well.
2021-05-16 16:59:47	Lope	can only move the end point of a partition anywhere >0 the startpoint.
2021-05-16 16:59:56	Lope	or > the startpoint, I mean.
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2021-05-16 17:00:13	akik	blip-: check out /etc/default/grub for the kernel parameters that you've added
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2021-05-16 17:01:32	hexnewbie	LVM solves that problem. Positioning does not matter, volumes don't have numbers, only names. You don't need to be careful when recreating the partition and worry you might need a reboot should partprobe fail. Oh, and as a bonus, you can move them to another disk (physical volume) in the same volume group without unmounting.
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2021-05-16 17:02:53	hexnewbie	If you're using 10 partitions instead of just 1, you will run into positioning problems.
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2021-05-16 17:02:59	kubast2	It is been awhile, but I think I can finally use swap
2021-05-16 17:03:48	hexnewbie	When I was a kid we were promised one day we'll get humongous amount of RAM like 256 MB that would no longer require swap.
2021-05-16 17:04:12	kubast2	I feel like 16GiB desktop, given no memory leaks is more than plenty for most tasks
2021-05-16 17:04:17	c705	i haven't used swap in years
2021-05-16 17:04:19	kubast2	like almost all multitasking tasks
2021-05-16 17:04:26	kubast2	but I am on 4GiB rn
2021-05-16 17:04:33	blip-	akik, thanks a lot, but still freezes with virtual console (just different output).  I will check for bios updates, otherwise I'll try to install an older ubuntu version as a test
2021-05-16 17:04:46	kubast2	I had 8 web pages open and I would get some soft locks without swap
2021-05-16 17:04:59	kubast2	thankfully firefox GC and memory usage minimizer would kick in
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2021-05-16 17:05:10	blip-	I have missed spending days trying to set up an OS.. been a while since I went down that rabbit hole :D
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2021-05-16 17:05:34	kubast2	I remember when I had issues with swap where just having swap activated would make the entire system unresponsive
2021-05-16 17:06:15	c705	blip-: i do not miss those days
2021-05-16 17:06:17	kubast2	I just put swapfile on my raid0, activated zswap; 3.14x comp ratio; 2GiB out of 8GiB of swap used, mem usage close to 100%;
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2021-05-16 17:06:28	c705	thankfully, orchestration solved all those problems for me
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2021-05-16 17:08:22	dostoyevsky	I actually like using systemd
2021-05-16 17:08:48	kubast2	I am on void linux rn, the only thing that annoys me is that once it goes to sleep it doesn't deselect fn nor f4
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2021-05-16 17:08:55	kubast2	as a button that is no longer pressed
2021-05-16 17:09:13	kubast2	so when I wake up it kind of goes back to sleep again, especially if I click f4
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2021-05-16 17:10:31	blip-	and of course bios update only doable from windows lol. I love this
2021-05-16 17:11:03	blip-	I vaguely remember a windows Live CD/live USB one could use to update bioses?
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2021-05-16 17:11:20	Nickwiz	Bart PE?
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2021-05-16 17:13:55	questi	what does friend mean?
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2021-05-16 17:15:27	akik	blip-: compare the log of 19.04 to the current one and see where it goes wrong
2021-05-16 17:15:27	hexnewbie	questi: A person who clicks like on your posts and never says things that contradict you for you to unfriend them.
2021-05-16 17:15:32	klys	in most cultures it means someone who would keep listening to you and follow up when you have challenges in life
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2021-05-16 17:17:13	akik	oh i forgot it's always hanging
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2021-05-16 17:20:21	nylon0666	jim, may I change nick now?
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2021-05-16 17:21:17	blip-	Nickwiz, yes, thanks!
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2021-05-16 17:22:21	questi	so a friend is someone to talk to?
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2021-05-16 17:23:14	klys	every friendship is different, though talking is an important part of general relationships, yes.
2021-05-16 17:23:23	Nickwiz	blip-: These days Hirens boot cd is more up to date as far as I know.
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2021-05-16 17:26:30	questi	i just think friendship does not exist as every talks and pretend to listen only to have a chance to talk xd
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2021-05-16 17:26:55	blip-	Nickwiz, thanks. I ended up finding a bootable CD image on lenovo website, just have to figure out how to make it a bootable usb out of it https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/de/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/thinkpad-t-series-laptops/thinkpad-t420/4177/4177cto/r8d8vg1/downloads/ds018784-bios-update-bootable-cd-for-windows-8-32-bit-64-bit-7-32-bit-64-bit-vista-32-bit-64-bit-xp-thinkpad-t420-t420i
2021-05-16 17:27:44	klys	questi, technology negates all previous experience.  if you are a kind neighbor, you aren't likely using technology.
2021-05-16 17:27:54	questi	there are awards for speaking like TED and none for listening :) there can be an event when one man truly listens and rest talk
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2021-05-16 17:29:28	SpeakerToMeat	Hello all.
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2021-05-16 17:29:40	klys	hello
2021-05-16 17:29:48	nylon0700	o/ SpeakerToMeat
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2021-05-16 17:30:03	SpeakerToMeat	Question, in bourne (or bourne again), can't I do something like: cat > file << some \n text \n EOF
2021-05-16 17:30:05	SpeakerToMeat	?
2021-05-16 17:30:05	Nickwiz	blip-: Any help here perhaps, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Flashing_BIOS_from_Linux
2021-05-16 17:30:07	SpeakerToMeat	I mean, it seems to work
2021-05-16 17:30:13	SpeakerToMeat	but it includes the EOF in the file
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2021-05-16 17:30:58	SpeakerToMeat	I want to save a multiline text to a file.
2021-05-16 17:31:12	hexnewbie	SpeakerToMeat: Good, text files should always end with a newline.
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2021-05-16 17:31:54	hexnewbie	SpeakerToMeat: For example, appending to a file using this very approach wouldn't work if they didn't.
2021-05-16 17:32:00	SpeakerToMeat	mhm, but I don't want them to end with a literal "EOF" text
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2021-05-16 17:32:30	hexnewbie	EOF is Ctrl+D
2021-05-16 17:32:32	nylon0700	eof was used to mark 9.track.tapes... right?
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2021-05-16 17:32:42	klys	configure scripts do this stuff all the time
2021-05-16 17:34:07	akoana	SpeakerToMeat: cat > file <<EOF
2021-05-16 17:34:10	akoana	text1
2021-05-16 17:34:12	akoana	text2
2021-05-16 17:34:13	akoana	EOF
2021-05-16 17:34:22	akoana	^^ that's how to do it
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2021-05-16 17:35:05	hexnewbie	Outside of a script, it would also work by omitting the <<EOF and simply pressing Ctrl+D instead of typing EOF
2021-05-16 17:35:08	SpeakerToMeat	akoana, that's how I did it.
2021-05-16 17:35:12	nylon0700	cat << eof
2021-05-16 17:35:14	SpeakerToMeat	akoana, and "EOF" is added to the file
2021-05-16 17:35:20	nylon0700	blah blah blah
2021-05-16 17:35:27	hexnewbie	SpeakerToMeat: No, it is not.
2021-05-16 17:35:33	nylon0700	some more blah
2021-05-16 17:35:39	Nickwiz	A line is defined as ending in '\n'. If there is no '\n' it is a incomplete line. A text file is a file composed of lines.
2021-05-16 17:35:39	nylon0700	eof
2021-05-16 17:35:50	akoana	SpeakerToMeat: EOF must be on the beginning of the line, no preceeding space
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2021-05-16 17:36:44	akoana	and nothing after it except a return
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2021-05-16 17:36:58	SpeakerToMeat	EOF is at the begining of the line, no preceding space, it has a newline after, I did do cat > file <<EOF   the eof literal is added to the file
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2021-05-16 17:37:51	rascul	https://termbin.com/pi3x
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2021-05-16 17:38:11	omero	you probably doing something else.
2021-05-16 17:38:15	akoana	^^
2021-05-16 17:38:16	omero	again:
2021-05-16 17:38:24	SpeakerToMeat	https://paste.linux.community/view/619c5044
2021-05-16 17:38:31	omero	cat << EOF
2021-05-16 17:38:37	omero	blah... blah
2021-05-16 17:38:39	SpeakerToMeat	I really don't see what something else I am doing, really
2021-05-16 17:38:48	rascul	you're doing it wrong
2021-05-16 17:38:51	omero	more blah
2021-05-16 17:39:00	hexnewbie	SpeakerToMeat: You have a space after the EOF
2021-05-16 17:39:03	omero	EOF
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2021-05-16 17:39:23	omero	that will work for sure
2021-05-16 17:39:45	rascul	do a paste of the creating of the files
2021-05-16 17:39:52	omero	please note the << EOF
2021-05-16 17:39:54	klys	cat file
2021-05-16 17:40:04	omero	and the final EOF
2021-05-16 17:40:11	rngmaster	hi, i passthru a partition to a windows vm and installed windows on it put some data and so on, now i realise it doesnt boot and i cant access this partition what can i do?
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2021-05-16 17:40:12	SpeakerToMeat	hexnewbie, aha
2021-05-16 17:40:29	SpeakerToMeat	rascul, I did
2021-05-16 17:40:35	SpeakerToMeat	omero, see the paste.
2021-05-16 17:40:39	SpeakerToMeat	hexnewbie found it
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2021-05-16 17:40:53	akoana	as I said, nothing after it except a return
2021-05-16 17:41:03	omero	\\n
2021-05-16 17:41:07	omero	yes
2021-05-16 17:41:16	omero	a plain newline
2021-05-16 17:41:33	 *	rascul puts ketchup on his newlines
2021-05-16 17:42:09	klys	rngmaster, plug it into a computer with windows, shut down gracefully, now you can access it
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2021-05-16 17:42:46	sauvin	rngmaster, the host OS is Linux, and the guest OS is Windows, yes?
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2021-05-16 17:42:52	rngmaster	yes
2021-05-16 17:43:01	rngmaster	i did shutdown normally
2021-05-16 17:43:04	sauvin	rngmaster, which kind of virtual machine?
2021-05-16 17:43:15	rngmaster	libvirt qemu
2021-05-16 17:43:32	sauvin	What version of Windows?
2021-05-16 17:43:36	rngmaster	i pass the disk by uuid was fine i didnt know it wont be able to boot again
2021-05-16 17:43:51	rngmaster	newest version
2021-05-16 17:43:59	rngmaster	21 blabla idk
2021-05-16 17:43:59	klys	anem mount -t ntfs-fuse or ntfs or ntfs-3g don't work?
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2021-05-16 17:44:14	klys	and*
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2021-05-16 17:45:03	sauvin	That would be "I don't know", not "idk", by the way.
2021-05-16 17:45:18	rngmaster	i think its because the partition table or some other headers on disk when i installed windows
2021-05-16 17:45:29	sauvin	What did you mean when you said "passthru a partition"?
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2021-05-16 17:46:15	klys	might be helpful to know if you're using mbr or efi boot
2021-05-16 17:46:16	rngmaster	i mean i create a partition for it then i make a storage and put this on xml <source dev="/dev/disk/by-uuid/2BD3537A1E252312"/>
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2021-05-16 17:46:58	rngmaster	but now if i check /dev/disk/by-uuid/ it doesnt see the partition
2021-05-16 17:47:26	rngmaster	mount: /mnt: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/nvme0n1p4, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
2021-05-16 17:47:35	klys	was it an mbr or gpt partition?
2021-05-16 17:47:40	rngmaster	gpt
2021-05-16 17:48:04	klys	file -s /dev/nvme0n1p4
2021-05-16 17:48:06	rngmaster	blkid says /dev/nvme0n1p4: PTUUID="f5d6ddb2-04cc-41cd-b319-113e0a600826" PTTYPE="gpt" PARTLABEL="win_games" PARTUUID="584161ec-4210-49cc-b20a-cc0fcd4dfd55"
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2021-05-16 17:49:07	klys	also it might be worth checking for an exfat-fuse fs
2021-05-16 17:49:26	rngmaster	klys it says /dev/nvme0n1p4: DOS/MBR boot sector; partition 1 : ID=0xee, start-CHS (0x0,0,2), end-CHS (0x38b,254,63), startsector 1, 4294967295 sectors, extended partition table (last)
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2021-05-16 17:49:30	TJ-	rngmaster: you did it wrong, /dev/disk/by-uuid/ is for *file-systems* - so when Windows was given it it overwrite the entire thing and the file-system UUID was lost, replaced by a complete disk image with a partition table
2021-05-16 17:50:05	klys	rngmaster, try mount -t vfat then
2021-05-16 17:50:14	TJ-	rngmaster: you'll need to change the XML definition to point to the block
2021-05-16 17:50:16	rngmaster	TJ- Yes ! what do i do now?
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2021-05-16 17:51:20	rngmaster	TJ- how do i do that ?
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2021-05-16 17:52:01	TJ-	rngmaster: what is needed is to tell libvirt to use the block device so maube /dev/disk/by-partuuid/584161ec-4210-49cc-b20a-cc0fcd4dfd55
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2021-05-16 17:52:46	klys	oh that's an mbr block
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2021-05-16 17:53:04	klys	hope you didn't reformat
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2021-05-16 17:53:10	questi	***rascul puts ketchup on his newlines xd
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2021-05-16 17:53:39	questi	lol
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2021-05-16 17:53:57	rngmaster	nop changing to that block doesnt work
2021-05-16 17:54:18	TJ-	rngmaster: what happens? what error messages? how far does it get?
2021-05-16 17:54:39	klys	I guess what you could do is make a partition in a separate file of the same size as your partition and try that boot sector instead
2021-05-16 17:54:54	jim	what does this mean: "doesn't work"
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2021-05-16 17:55:22	rngmaster	TJ- i cant see errors because i pass thru the graphic and restarts the sddm
2021-05-16 17:55:24	rngmaster	-.-
2021-05-16 17:55:26	rngmaster	wait
2021-05-16 17:55:29	TJ-	rngmaster: your earier info shows Windows created a GUID Partition Table (GPT disk label) in that device
2021-05-16 17:55:39	klys	if it doesn't work with the alternate boot sector just examine the partition and correct the internal values
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2021-05-16 17:56:28	rngmaster	klys uh?! what do you mean alternate boot sector how do i do that
2021-05-16 17:56:41	klys	I said that two sentences ago
2021-05-16 17:56:49	TJ-	rngmaster: the 'file' info shows what looks like a protective MBR only
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2021-05-16 17:57:16	TJ-	rngmaster: what does this report: "sudo gdisk -l /dev/nvme0n1p4"
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2021-05-16 17:57:55	rngmaster	1            2048          206847   100.0 MiB   EF00  EFI system partition
2021-05-16 17:57:56	rngmaster	   2          206848          239615   16.0 MiB    0C01  Microsoft reserved ...
2021-05-16 17:57:56	rngmaster	   3          239616       326075585   155.4 GiB   0700  Basic data partition
2021-05-16 17:57:57	rngmaster	   4       326076416       327151615   525.0 MiB   2700
2021-05-16 17:58:03	rngmaster	its good
2021-05-16 17:58:29	klys	did you format those four partitions with the vm running?
2021-05-16 17:58:35	rngmaster	wait let me check something
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2021-05-16 17:58:54	rngmaster	klys thats just windows standart install on a unpartition space
2021-05-16 17:59:09	TJ-	rngmaster: well, best to use a pastebin before you get told off, but yes, that looks like what I'd expect, so you need to confirm that block device is being passed correctly to the VM guest, and then see what the guest makes of it when it tries to boot, and report back
2021-05-16 17:59:33	TJ-	rngmaster: I assume you have that guest booting in UEFI mode every time?
2021-05-16 17:59:47	rngmaster	ye
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2021-05-16 18:00:11	klys	rngmaster, losetup /dev/loop0 /dev/nvme0n1p4; partprobe /dev/loop0; mount /dev/loop0p3 /a
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2021-05-16 18:00:24	TJ-	rngmaster: so maybe temporality switch the guest to using a virtualised display not pass-through to see what is going on
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2021-05-16 18:00:35	rngmaster	cannot access storage says libvirt
2021-05-16 18:01:09	TJ-	rngmaster: klys  or more simply "sudo losetup -f -P --show /dev/nvme0n1p4" :)
2021-05-16 18:01:11	rngmaster	i just did that
2021-05-16 18:01:23	rngmaster	what does that do?
2021-05-16 18:01:26	klys	nad you see your data there?
2021-05-16 18:01:58	TJ-	rngmaster: same as klys said; mounts the device and its partitions in Linux on a loopdev so you can exmaine it, explore the file-systems in it, and so forth
2021-05-16 18:02:17	klys	if the mount command mounted it to /a (which is the example I gave) then you should be able to ls -ltac /a
2021-05-16 18:02:20	TJ-	rngmaster: e.g. try "sudo lksblk /dev/nvme0n1p4"
2021-05-16 18:02:34	TJ-	oh typos!
2021-05-16 18:02:41	TJ-	rngmaster: e.g. try "sudo lsblk /dev/nvme0n1p4"
2021-05-16 18:03:12	rngmaster	how can i examine it now?
2021-05-16 18:03:26	klys	did /a not exist or do you need more help
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2021-05-16 18:03:52	rngmaster	nvme0n1p4 259:4    0  156G  0 part
2021-05-16 18:03:59	rngmaster	no mount point
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2021-05-16 18:04:09	klys	then you just mkdir /a
2021-05-16 18:04:23	klys	and run mount /dev/loop0p3 /a again
2021-05-16 18:05:00	TJ-	klys: loop0 may have been in use by something else; so that command may have failed. Better to pass "-f --show" so losetup selects a free dev and reports which
2021-05-16 18:05:24	rngmaster	wow it worked
2021-05-16 18:05:24	TJ-	and add -P if you want a partition table to be scanned
2021-05-16 18:05:32	klys	ah there's that new package that uses all your loopback devices I forget what it's called
2021-05-16 18:05:35	rngmaster	why did it mount with that comand?
2021-05-16 18:05:39	TJ-	klys: snaps!
2021-05-16 18:05:44	klys	eheh
2021-05-16 18:06:10	klys	because it was really on /dev/nvme0n1p4p3
2021-05-16 18:06:19	klys	so to say
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2021-05-16 18:06:39	rngmaster	oh i see
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2021-05-16 18:06:57	TJ-	right, have to go, need sleep. rngmaster good luck
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2021-05-16 18:07:17	rngmaster	but i need an uuid for this
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2021-05-16 18:07:48	questi	my friend is toster
2021-05-16 18:07:52	questi	*toaster lol
2021-05-16 18:07:53	dostoyevsky	are uuids globally unique?
2021-05-16 18:08:17	TJ-	dostoyevsky: technically no, but... close to
2021-05-16 18:08:34	klys	rngmaster, just copy it out back it up and go over the instructions for reinstalling to /dev/disk/by-partuuid/...
2021-05-16 18:08:43	klys	I think
2021-05-16 18:08:54	TJ-	rngmaster: is there a reason you cannot give libvirt the device itself? dev="/dev/nvme0n1p4" ?
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2021-05-16 18:09:11	klys	I don't personally know much about the difference between by-uuid and by-partuuid
2021-05-16 18:09:13	TJ-	rngmaster: at least for testing;
2021-05-16 18:09:24	rngmaster	i dont think i can make windows install on the partition like this then? before i had a partition but just for data
2021-05-16 18:09:25	TJ-	klys: by-uuid is for file-system UUIDs
2021-05-16 18:09:35	klys	you did mention that much
2021-05-16 18:10:05	akik	rngmaster: i use qemu with files so that the partition table is created inside a normal file
2021-05-16 18:10:22	TJ-	for GUID Partition Tables (GPT) the table has a unique GPT, each partition type has a well-known GUID, and each created partition has a GUID
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2021-05-16 18:10:48	TJ-	errr, s/unique GPT/unique GUID/
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2021-05-16 18:11:43	TJ-	rngmaster: what you showed us tells me Windows did install correctly. There's an EFI system parition, reserved, and basic as I'd expect
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2021-05-16 18:12:33	rngmaster	TJ- even if i try to link with /dev/disk/by-id it wont work?
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2021-05-16 18:13:03	klys	well by-id is likely to have both types of things in there
2021-05-16 18:13:13	TJ-	rngmaster: you problem /may/ be that libvirt isn't configured to maintain the EFI boot menu between power cycles, in which case in the EFI-SP there'd need to be a removable-media path boot file under /EFI/BOOT/BOOTx85.EFI
2021-05-16 18:13:15	rngmaster	it has
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2021-05-16 18:14:00	TJ-	rngmaster: when the guest boots it the Esc jey or whatever invokes the EFI manual boot menu, and see if Windows is on it
2021-05-16 18:14:09	TJ-	s/it the/hit the/
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2021-05-16 18:20:51	rngmaster	passing /dev/disk/by-path/pci-0000\:03\:00.0-nvme-1 it works ! nice im done Thanks guys
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2021-05-16 18:23:19	sauvin	But they'll never understand, not even after an experience like this, why we sometimes ask so many questions instead of just blurting out some random answer.
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2021-05-16 18:51:02	adamik	give the people something theyll understand
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2021-05-16 18:56:11	Nickwiz	Like a roof.
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2021-05-16 18:57:16	rascul	or a beer
2021-05-16 18:57:23	 *	rascul gives beers to the peoples
2021-05-16 18:57:39	Nickwiz	How can you stand under a beer?
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2021-05-16 18:57:52	adamik	happens all the time
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2021-05-16 18:58:30	Samian	Hello lost souls of #linux. I Samian the magnificent have returned.
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2021-05-16 18:58:40	rascul	Nickwiz set it on your heat
2021-05-16 18:58:44	rascul	or your head
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2021-05-16 18:59:20	akik	maybe he meant a bear
2021-05-16 19:00:22	 *	Nickwiz understand beer
2021-05-16 19:00:29	rascul	beer > bear
2021-05-16 19:00:50	rascul	bear bear > *
2021-05-16 19:00:56	rascul	oh i meant beer bear
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2021-05-16 19:01:12	akik	here's a finnish guy who raised some beers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69atYyxcz4o
2021-05-16 19:01:29	rascul	i'm not finnished
2021-05-16 19:01:50	Nickwiz	No beer is unbearable
2021-05-16 19:02:09	rascul	there certainly is unbearable beer
2021-05-16 19:02:26	akik	there's also a beer here that's called karhu == bear
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2021-05-16 19:02:32	Nickwiz	Use a bucket
2021-05-16 19:02:35	akik	so it's bear beer
2021-05-16 19:02:48	CordialCatto	which beer is best
2021-05-16 19:02:52	 *	rascul puts Nickwiz in a bucket
2021-05-16 19:02:57	akik	http://www.karhu.fi/oluet/
2021-05-16 19:05:02	petrj	i'm ... just a 'karhu tumma' kind of a guy..  -.-
2021-05-16 19:05:12	rascul	no, you're not
2021-05-16 19:05:15	 *	Nickwiz makes the bouquet look beautifull
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2021-05-16 19:05:49	petrj	no u dick
2021-05-16 19:05:50	sauvin	American beer tends to be unpalatable.
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2021-05-16 19:06:57	akik	haha they have sauna guidance there on the web site
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2021-05-16 19:12:32	adamik	is that when they guide you from the sauna into an icy lake
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2021-05-16 19:14:01	adamik	oh i see it
2021-05-16 19:14:31	akik	going to the lake in the winter is kinda extreme
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2021-05-16 19:18:51	rascul	i have done lake swimming in winter
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2021-05-16 19:19:17	rascul	it was a bit chilly
2021-05-16 19:19:44	rascul	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bear_plunge
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2021-05-16 19:20:40	akik	+14C is a bit chilly for me :)
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2021-05-16 19:22:32	akoana	polar beer is quite acceptable while still being a (south) american beer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empresas_Polar)
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2021-05-16 19:23:23	rascul	i didn't realize south america was very polar
2021-05-16 19:23:36	sauvin	South American beers, like American beers, tend to be appalling.
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2021-05-16 19:23:57	sauvin	rascul, the southernmost tips of South America can get pretty chilly.
2021-05-16 19:24:10	rascul	i like chili
2021-05-16 19:24:37	akik	but chile is hot?
2021-05-16 19:24:39	adamik	literally chile
2021-05-16 19:25:41	Nickwiz	They have a literacy rate of 96%
2021-05-16 19:25:44	adamik	it tries to fellate antarctica
2021-05-16 19:27:02	rascul	north korea has 100% literacy rate
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2021-05-16 19:27:40	sauvin	Yeah, that's what North Korea says.
2021-05-16 19:27:51	akik	only 100% ???
2021-05-16 19:28:03	adamik	dennis rodman concurs
2021-05-16 19:28:10	peac	it's not enough.
2021-05-16 19:28:21	sauvin	Hey, if I can read and write in four different languages, does that mean I'm 400% literate?
2021-05-16 19:28:38	rascul	not enough literates
2021-05-16 19:28:42	rascul	need more
2021-05-16 19:28:53	akoana	sauvin: it's an exception (and I don't make any concessions - I live where the annual per capita consumption is one of the highest in the world, 107 l :)
2021-05-16 19:29:01	rascul	∞%
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2021-05-16 19:29:33	sauvin	Only 107!?
2021-05-16 19:29:46	sauvin	That's only about a single month's worth!
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2021-05-16 19:30:19	akoana	Well the Czech beat us with 192 l...
2021-05-16 19:30:32	jessia	"==> Rumove make dependencies after install? [y/N]" ,what are make dependencies?
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2021-05-16 19:30:52	jessia	*e
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2021-05-16 19:31:06	peac	dependencies for the build like gcc or make
2021-05-16 19:31:20	jessia	stould i delete them?
2021-05-16 19:31:21	peac	no maybe not actually
2021-05-16 19:31:34	jessia	*should
2021-05-16 19:31:35	peac	but yeah if you don't know if you need them you probably don't
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2021-05-16 19:32:32	Nickwiz	rascul works on getting his litter rate up
2021-05-16 19:32:35	jessia	peac: are they actually worth deleting or are they 0.01mb?
2021-05-16 19:32:48	peac	depends on what you're building
2021-05-16 19:33:00	jessia	icecat
2021-05-16 19:33:04	jessia	browser
2021-05-16 19:33:06	akik	i'd say build dependencies are those devel packages that are needed for the build, not the build tools themselves
2021-05-16 19:33:21	peac	^ i think so too
2021-05-16 19:33:37	peac	for icecat it may be worth deleting
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2021-05-16 19:34:10	jessia	will it function correctly after install?
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2021-05-16 19:34:14	peac	yeah
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2021-05-16 19:35:21	jessia	and i can do that on every package right?
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2021-05-16 19:36:06	peac	yes, unless you have a reason not to, like you want to build something yourself against its dependencies
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2021-05-16 19:36:47	jessia	explain more
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2021-05-16 19:37:35	peac	i don't really have an example but an analogy
2021-05-16 19:38:10	peac	sometimes you need to install kernel headers so that a program knows what functions it can compile with
2021-05-16 19:38:24	peac	icecast has such dependencies
2021-05-16 19:38:50	peac	if you want to build a package that needs the same dependencies as icecast, you will need these dependencies
2021-05-16 19:38:56	sauvin	You would probably want to keep the "make dependencies" if you were a developer and planned on making changes to the software you just built.
2021-05-16 19:39:09	peac	^ better explanation
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2021-05-16 19:39:48	jessia	sauvin: so these are packeges i need to compile the program correct?
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2021-05-16 19:40:08	peac	yes but not anymore once it's done
2021-05-16 19:40:57	jessia	ok i unherstand now
2021-05-16 19:41:03	jessia	thanks
2021-05-16 19:41:09	jessia	*uderstand
2021-05-16 19:41:14	Samian	I finally accomplished what I want!!!!!!!!!!!
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2021-05-16 19:41:48	akik	great!
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2021-05-16 19:42:08	jessia	Samian: yes!!!!!! i know computers now!!!!!
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2021-05-16 19:42:34	akoana	peac: lol, icecat = browser, icecast = streaming media server
2021-05-16 19:42:36	Samian	xiaomiao, https://www.loom.com/share/6ee7e9cf0052428499c8aaa594f8d008
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2021-05-16 19:43:27	peac	it was sounding doubly familiar
2021-05-16 19:43:35	akoana	heh
2021-05-16 19:44:24	akik	irssi just saved my behind. i accidentally tried to paste my copy buffer here
2021-05-16 19:44:39	akik	my numpad insert is next to my cursor right
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2021-05-16 19:45:03	peac	now i wonder what was in that buffer
2021-05-16 19:45:09	peac	your bitcoin private key?
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2021-05-16 19:45:17	NyB	nuclear launch codes?
2021-05-16 19:45:27	peac	nudes in hex?
2021-05-16 19:45:36	akik	doctor evil would have that but i'm not evil
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2021-05-16 19:54:06	deliciacremosa	fala galerinha
2021-05-16 19:54:07	deliciacremosa	hi
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2021-05-16 20:11:17	Disconsented	I just want to check my thinking here, would there be any discernable difference between checking the size of a directory for if its local vs its a remote iSCSI target? I'd assume not but dont have a system handy to test with
2021-05-16 20:11:39	[R]	Disconsented: the size?
2021-05-16 20:11:45	[R]	how would that tell you what type of mount it is?
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2021-05-16 20:12:20	Disconsented	The cummulative size in bytes of an directory
2021-05-16 20:12:25	[R]	huh?
2021-05-16 20:12:35	Disconsented	Damnit this is clear to me >_>
2021-05-16 20:12:59	Disconsented	sec
2021-05-16 20:14:04	deliciacremosa	someone speaks portuguese
2021-05-16 20:14:14	deliciacremosa	i dont speak english
2021-05-16 20:14:53	Disconsented	I'm looking into programming a feature for some existing software that will quota disk usage, I need to keep track of disk sizes. Would there be a difference in the time it takes to calculate this when comparing a local FS vs a FS mounted via iSCSI?
2021-05-16 20:15:12	Disconsented	Better?
2021-05-16 20:15:19	[R]	Disconsented: the kernel already does quota...
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2021-05-16 20:17:13	binaryhermit	Is the i in iSCSI internet?
2021-05-16 20:17:13	Disconsented	How does user quota's work across N directories?
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2021-05-16 20:17:25	binaryhermit	if so, it probably *could*
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2021-05-16 20:17:51	binaryhermit	depending on the amount of caching done locally and latency
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2021-05-16 20:18:14	Disconsented	Its on the local network
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2021-05-16 20:19:07	Disconsented	Looks like I can do it on a per directory basis
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2021-05-16 20:20:06	NyB	Disconsented: still not sure what you are trying to do
2021-05-16 20:21:02	NyB	Disconsented: you mention "quota", but it's not clear whether you are planning to use to the Linux builtin quota machinery, or doing something else
2021-05-16 20:21:03	Disconsented	Set per directory Quota's for a user
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2021-05-16 20:21:16	binaryhermit	still, a couple ms here and a couple ms there could matter if you're hammering it
2021-05-16 20:21:18	Disconsented	Disk quota, I'm just researching at the moment
2021-05-16 20:21:56	velix	What is the last thing you do during the day? Push a commit or say a prayer?
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2021-05-16 20:22:55	[R]	velix: well the last thing im doing is at home... not at work... so...
2021-05-16 20:22:58	sauvin	velix, I'd tell you that, but then you'd hit me with a TMI hammer.
2021-05-16 20:23:11	velix	TMIß
2021-05-16 20:23:13	velix	TMI?
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2021-05-16 20:23:29	Nickwiz	They do not have to be mutually exclusive
2021-05-16 20:23:34	ayecee	transcranial magnetic induction
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2021-05-16 20:23:51	[R]	ayecee: some kind of human head powered motor?
2021-05-16 20:24:00	sauvin	"Too Much Information". Last thing I do before actually turning in, for example, is to add a litre of water or two to the throne.
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2021-05-16 20:24:36	jessia	yo
2021-05-16 20:24:41	ayecee	[R]: you spin me right round
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2021-05-16 20:25:54	jessia	"error: failed to comit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (pgp signature)) "
2021-05-16 20:26:02	jessia	whats going on here?
2021-05-16 20:26:08	ayecee	jessia: ever heard of context
2021-05-16 20:26:09	[R]	ayecee: are you calling me a record player!?
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2021-05-16 20:26:29	ayecee	jessia: what's going on here is that you have a message without any
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2021-05-16 20:26:52	jessia	ayecee: oh sorry ... im intalling a package with packman
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2021-05-16 20:27:06	jessia	ayecee: and it gives me this error
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2021-05-16 20:27:12	ayecee	keep going. pretend we can't see your screen.
2021-05-16 20:27:12	iflema	sync
2021-05-16 20:27:18	johnjay	ok. why when using nc to send "pause\n" to my unix domain socket do i have to hit ctrl-C in order to have it "send"?
2021-05-16 20:27:33	iflema	-Syy
2021-05-16 20:27:34	ayecee	johnjay: no
2021-05-16 20:27:35	[R]	johnjay: how are you using nc to send "pause\n"
2021-05-16 20:27:36	johnjay	echo -n "pause" | nc -U /tmp/vlc.sock
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2021-05-16 20:27:45	johnjay	that doesn't have any effect until I hit ctrl-C
2021-05-16 20:27:49	johnjay	@_@
2021-05-16 20:27:49	[R]	johnjay: thats not "pause\n"
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2021-05-16 20:28:04	johnjay	ah -n doesn't output the newline.
2021-05-16 20:28:40	johnjay	sometimes the problems are just one character. @_@
2021-05-16 20:29:20	ayecee	sometimes it's the character holding the keyboard!
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2021-05-16 20:29:46	Nickwiz	lol, you beat me to it.
2021-05-16 20:30:02	rascul	press ctrl+d instead of ctrl+c
2021-05-16 20:30:06	jessia	ayecee: it gives me this option "::file /var/cache/packman/pkg/qutebrowser-2.2.1+1any.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (pgp signature))
2021-05-16 20:30:06	jessia	do fou want to delete it? "
2021-05-16 20:30:20	ayecee	well, do you?
2021-05-16 20:30:22	iflema	-Syy
2021-05-16 20:30:49	jessia	and if i answer y or n it gives me tah error i said erlier
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2021-05-16 20:31:08	caterfxo	words?
2021-05-16 20:31:16	ayecee	jessia: maybe start from the beginning. it's difficult to follow this out of order and spread across screens.
2021-05-16 20:31:32	jessia	 "error: failed to comit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (pgp signature)) "
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2021-05-16 20:33:15	ayecee	iflema: seems like you had a command in mind but i can't tell what it is.
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2021-05-16 20:34:18	jessia	$pacman -S qutebrowser
2021-05-16 20:34:18	jessia	<a bunch of stuff everything normal until here>
2021-05-16 20:34:18	jessia	::file /var/cache/packman/pkg/qutebrowser-2.2.1+1any.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (pgp signature))
2021-05-16 20:34:18	jessia	do you want to delete it
2021-05-16 20:34:18	jessia	<i answer Y or n>
2021-05-16 20:34:18	jessia	 error: failed to comit transaction (invalid or corrupted package (pgp signature))
2021-05-16 20:34:32	iflema	its hard to know what happened, -Syy is resync repos and if its still there delete from /var/chace
2021-05-16 20:34:42	jessia	ayecee: here
2021-05-16 20:35:10	iflema	whats a zst :S
2021-05-16 20:35:24	ayecee	jessia: there you go, try that
2021-05-16 20:35:33	petrj	some new technology compression protocol
2021-05-16 20:35:40	ayecee	zstandard, apparently
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2021-05-16 20:37:09	 *	[R] compresses ayecee 
2021-05-16 20:37:18	jessia	ok i did -Syy and i am re-running the command
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2021-05-16 20:38:07	iflema	BOOM
2021-05-16 20:38:16	jessia	nope same error
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2021-05-16 20:38:48	ayecee	okay then delete it from /var/cache and try again
2021-05-16 20:39:00	jessia	how
2021-05-16 20:39:05	iflema	swhat the command -Si
2021-05-16 20:39:10	 *	Nickwiz throwing a command blindfolded: pacman-key --populate archlinux, after delete
2021-05-16 20:39:16	ayecee	the same way you delete other files
2021-05-16 20:39:18	ayecee	with rm
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2021-05-16 20:40:55	iflema	/var/cache/pacman/pkg ?
2021-05-16 20:41:07	velix	I am hungry :(
2021-05-16 20:41:13	ayecee	hi hungry i'm dad
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2021-05-16 20:41:20	[R]	velix: like the wolf?
2021-05-16 20:41:26	velix	velix: shewolf?
2021-05-16 20:41:35	velix	why am I talking to myself?
2021-05-16 20:41:39	velix	:D
2021-05-16 20:41:51	velix	am ... 02:41 am
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2021-05-16 20:42:44	ayecee	amazing where people can live these days
2021-05-16 20:43:08	velix	ayecee: Mars
2021-05-16 20:43:09	 *	rascul lives over here
2021-05-16 20:43:21	velix	ayecee: Tesla is going to deliver a roadster soon.
2021-05-16 20:43:22	[R]	how are we going to IRC with people on Mars?
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2021-05-16 20:43:28	jessia	nope same error ...can i just delete the package and reinstall it?
2021-05-16 20:43:28	rascul	laser
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2021-05-16 20:43:35	ayecee	patiently
2021-05-16 20:43:35	rascul	infrared
2021-05-16 20:43:39	rascul	satellites
2021-05-16 20:43:45	velix	[R]: Internet RELAY Chat ... some relay stations.
2021-05-16 20:43:51	ayecee	jessia: did you delete the file
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2021-05-16 20:44:00	velix	rsync --delete-before
2021-05-16 20:44:01	jessia	ayecee: yes
2021-05-16 20:44:05	[R]	velix: just imagine what the lag would be like
2021-05-16 20:44:06	hexa-	[R]: FTTM, 182 seconds delay
2021-05-16 20:44:20	ayecee	jessia: then it downloaded the file again, and you still get the same error?
2021-05-16 20:44:40	iflema	jessia: package from AUR?
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2021-05-16 20:45:17	jessia	iflema: nope pacman
2021-05-16 20:45:29	velix	[R]: Earth-Mars is 3 - 21 minutes
2021-05-16 20:45:37	iflema	pacman can AUR
2021-05-16 20:45:41	jessia	ayecee: it gave me the same EXACT output
2021-05-16 20:45:54	jessia	iflema: ?
2021-05-16 20:45:55	[R]	velix: what happens if you're trying to call 911?
2021-05-16 20:45:58	iflema	jessia: switch mirror
2021-05-16 20:45:59	ayecee	jessia: well i can't see the output, that's why i'm asking you
2021-05-16 20:46:02	[R]	velix: the person would be dead beofre they told you what to do
2021-05-16 20:46:03	iflema	resync
2021-05-16 20:46:11	iflema	or wait?
2021-05-16 20:46:22	velix	[R]: That's similar to the traffic jams in many countries of the world.
2021-05-16 20:46:32	velix	[R]: Not every country has priority for emergancy
2021-05-16 20:46:37	[R]	velix: strawberry or grape?
2021-05-16 20:46:53	velix	[R]: banana
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2021-05-16 20:47:00	[R]	that sounds pretty gross
2021-05-16 20:47:04	petrj	tim apple
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2021-05-16 20:47:30	velix	[R]: I want an idiot sandwich
2021-05-16 20:47:44	 *	adamik shoots an apple off tim apple's zucchini head
2021-05-16 20:47:48	ayecee	jessia: i guess you can try that pacman-key thing
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2021-05-16 20:50:14	Disconsented	Okay cool looks like 'setquota' will do what I want
2021-05-16 20:50:16	iflema	mirror syncing is rather fluxy for the archers
2021-05-16 20:50:31	ayecee	fluxy eh
2021-05-16 20:50:34	sauvin	peetaur, when you see this, would you mind joining me in ##linux-ops?
2021-05-16 20:51:20	jessia	whats the pacman key thing
2021-05-16 20:51:29	ayecee	the one that Nickwiz mentioned
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2021-05-16 20:51:39	iflema	ayecee: theres the answer
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2021-05-16 20:52:52	ayecee	it seems like the file isn't corrupted, but rather the pgp key used to sign it isn't trusted. i think that repopulates the trusts.
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2021-05-16 20:53:35	jessia	ayecee: so what can i do about it?
2021-05-16 20:53:36	 *	[R] trusts ayecee 
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2021-05-16 20:53:57	ayecee	the thing Nickwiz suggested
2021-05-16 20:54:07	jessia	ayecee: i cant find it
2021-05-16 20:54:42	ayecee	keep at it, i have faith in you
2021-05-16 20:54:49	jessia	ayecee: can yo mention it?
2021-05-16 20:54:56	ayecee	i don't have it memorized
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2021-05-16 20:55:28	jessia	copy it?
2021-05-16 20:55:39	ayecee	from where
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2021-05-16 20:55:57	gry	-*- Nickwiz throwing a command blindfolded: pacman-key --populate archlinux, after delete
2021-05-16 20:56:05	iflema	pacman-key --populate archlinux
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2021-05-16 20:56:09	sauvin	e36freak, when you see this, would you mind joining me in ##linux-ops, please?
2021-05-16 20:56:12	gry	Thanks iflema!
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2021-05-16 21:00:29	jessia	goddamn it  same error
2021-05-16 21:01:02	jessia	u know what i dont even wanna use this browser anymore , how can i delete it?
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2021-05-16 21:01:30	ayecee	you, not u, please. they're picky about that here.
2021-05-16 21:01:59	jessia	*you
2021-05-16 21:02:26	jessia	>how can i delete it?
2021-05-16 21:02:39	ayecee	i don't use pacman, i'd have to check the manual.
2021-05-16 21:02:49	jessia	-Rns?
2021-05-16 21:02:50	Nickwiz	Perhaps this is of help: I have not used Arch actively, https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Pacman/Package_signing#signature_from_xxx_is_invalid
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2021-05-16 21:10:12	iflema	yeah blow away /etc/pacman.d/gnupg
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2021-05-16 21:10:35	jessia	okay... so i delete the /etc/pacman.d/gnupg?
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2021-05-16 21:10:43	iflema	and re populate
2021-05-16 21:10:45	iflema	pacman-key --populate archlinux
2021-05-16 21:10:47	jessia	what rm option do i run?
2021-05-16 21:11:08	jessia	-r ?
2021-05-16 21:11:21	iflema	jessia: hangon two cmmands
2021-05-16 21:11:34	iflema	pacman-key --init first
2021-05-16 21:11:40	iflema	then pacman-key --populate archlinux
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2021-05-16 21:12:15	jessia	yes but how can i delete the gnupg folder what rm option do i run?
2021-05-16 21:12:21	iflema	rm
2021-05-16 21:12:31	iflema	if its a directory -r
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2021-05-16 21:13:03	iflema	how old is this system? 1 hour
2021-05-16 21:13:15	jessia	no
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2021-05-16 21:13:25	iflema	2
2021-05-16 21:13:38	jessia	 months yeah
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2021-05-16 21:14:43	ayecee	what a strange expression
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2021-05-16 21:15:57	iflema	go up in the trees...
2021-05-16 21:16:57	jessia	iflema: im an artix do i still run --populate archlinux?
2021-05-16 21:17:06	iflema	ooh
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2021-05-16 21:17:19	ayecee	XD
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2021-05-16 21:17:41	jessia	did i make myself look stupid?
2021-05-16 21:17:51	iflema	give it a crack
2021-05-16 21:18:12	ayecee	just kind of a big piece of info to leave out
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2021-05-16 21:18:40	iflema	so what do they do? have a installer
2021-05-16 21:18:56	iflema	admin mailing lists etc
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2021-05-16 21:19:35	iflema	op themself
2021-05-16 21:19:40	ayecee	virtual picnics on alternate sundays
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2021-05-16 21:19:43	Nickwiz	So this then? https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Main/Troubleshooting#Invalid_or_corrupted_packages_.28PGP_signature.29
2021-05-16 21:19:53	[R]	ayecee: i'll bring the macaroni salad
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2021-05-16 21:20:17	ayecee	great, virtual macaroni salad is the second best kind!
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2021-05-16 21:20:45	robot696969	hey guys just wondering where i would look for clues into invisible grub? friend updated graphics and most of the time cant actually see the grub at boot anymore (navigates it the same though)
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2021-05-16 21:20:56	iflema	pasta salad?
2021-05-16 21:21:13	ayecee	robot696969: what does the screen show instead?
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2021-05-16 21:21:49	robot696969	ayecee sounds like just a black screen
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2021-05-16 21:22:15	[R]	robot696969: whoat noises does a black screen make?
2021-05-16 21:22:16	ayecee	mbr boot or efi?
2021-05-16 21:22:53	robot696969	efi
2021-05-16 21:23:04	ayecee	robot696969: i have in mind that it might be a video card firmware thing but i don't know how you'd confirm that.
2021-05-16 21:23:14	peac	https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/SoHSK4P6/image.png
2021-05-16 21:23:23	peac	this is starting to look like a thing
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2021-05-16 21:24:28	robot696969	ayecee thats what he thinks too since it started happening when he updated his gpu, he seems to think it might have something to do with a long post
2021-05-16 21:24:39	ayecee	robot696969: what's the new video card?
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2021-05-16 21:24:56	robot696969	A3070
2021-05-16 21:24:59	iflema	navigates the same? resolution off the chart?
2021-05-16 21:25:13	robot696969	yeah he said he blind navigates the same as he did when it was visible
2021-05-16 21:25:15	ayecee	robot696969: who makes that
2021-05-16 21:25:30	robot696969	he mentioned too that the bios select splash doesnt display
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2021-05-16 21:26:06	ayecee	i feel like if it's a firmware issue, we can probably find someone else reporting the same problem if we search by make and model
2021-05-16 21:26:33	robot696969	nvidia
2021-05-16 21:26:38	robot696969	ill give it a look
2021-05-16 21:26:40	ayecee	no, the manufacturer
2021-05-16 21:26:49	ayecee	the manufacturer of the video card, not the chip
2021-05-16 21:27:09	ayecee	ok
2021-05-16 21:27:38	davr0s	before i wipe it and re-install.. i have a harddrive which has stopped booting (after powering down when a program was crashed stopping elegant shutdown) - i've been able to get data off it just fine - are there some easy fixes i can try
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2021-05-16 21:27:51	robot696969	my bad i searched and realized that we needed manf, ill ask him and get back, thanks for your time so far
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2021-05-16 21:28:27	ayecee	davr0s: what happens when you try to boot?
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2021-05-16 21:28:45	Nickwiz	One the side. As more and more pc's are without speakers, what replaces beep diagnostics?
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2021-05-16 21:29:21	davr0s	just stays on a black screen .. sometimes there's a cursor in textmode.. usually it locks on the bios "press del / f2 to enter setip blah" screen
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2021-05-16 21:30:11	ayecee	davr0s: i suppose i'd try booting a liveusb, and check the disk with smartctl -a, if it even shows up
2021-05-16 21:30:32	davr0s	i have the thing mounted now, i could try that now i guess
2021-05-16 21:30:45	davr0s	(it shows up in media/...
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2021-05-16 21:31:00	ayecee	great, that's a good sign. did you have any problems getting data off?
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2021-05-16 21:31:17	robot696969	bro is just bootin up now and he'll be able to get the info we need
2021-05-16 21:31:48	ayecee	the description made it seem like the drive wasn't coming ready at boot
2021-05-16 21:31:51	davr0s	ayecee, so far so good, i got my critical stuff. next i might just try copying the entire thing (its a 250gb SSD, i have 0.5-1tb spinning HDs aswell)
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2021-05-16 21:32:45	davr0s	1min i'll google what "smartctl -a" does..
2021-05-16 21:32:49	ayecee	huh. so the smartctl -a output will show the state of the various diagnostic counters, but i'm not sure what to look for in particular.
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2021-05-16 21:33:41	ayecee	would mostly be looking for "something unusual" but without knowing what is usual that's a difficult task
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2021-05-16 21:34:39	ayecee	been using it a while?
2021-05-16 21:34:55	davr0s	this ssd is about a year old
2021-05-16 21:35:16	ayecee	always in this system?
2021-05-16 21:35:30	davr0s	i'm guessing it was corruption during the inelegant shutdown  (and yes always in this specific box)
2021-05-16 21:35:38	robot696969	ayecee: im guiding my friend to irc now so we can remove me as a middle man, he should be on shortly
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2021-05-16 21:36:34	ayecee	davr0s: does it boot with grub, or something else?
2021-05-16 21:36:35	jessia	im trying this solution  https://wiki.artixlinux.org/Main/Troubleshooting#Invalid_or_corrupted_packages_.28PGP_signature.29
2021-05-16 21:37:08	davr0s	its an ubuntu (xubuntu) install, i think that uses grub as far as i know
2021-05-16 21:37:14	ayecee	davr0s: kinda trying to figure out if this is hanging up before or after the bootloader has started loading
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2021-05-16 21:38:13	ayecee	however i can't picture an inelegant shutdown that would cause this kind of behavior in particular.
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2021-05-16 21:38:31	ayecee	davr0s: if you hold the shift key at boot, do you get the grub menu?
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2021-05-16 21:38:35	davr0s	ok so you think it must have just been flaxy already
2021-05-16 21:38:41	davr0s	i'll have to try that
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2021-05-16 21:39:11	davr0s	i do have a couple of spare PCs i can setup to make tinkering easier
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2021-05-16 21:39:52	jessia	Nickwiz: there was an erro tho
2021-05-16 21:39:52	jessia	''/var/cache/pacman/pkg/artix-keyring-20201028-1-anf.pkg.tar.zst is corrupted (invalid or corrupted package (pgp signiture))
2021-05-16 21:39:58	davr0s	i went through plugging various combinations of pairs of drives  to see what would boot
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2021-05-16 21:40:34	jessia	same error i was having before but en the system keyring which is ...great
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2021-05-16 21:40:49	davr0s	fortunately i found this drive with a recent linux install on it (i'd set it up on the spare machine for folding during covid , lol), and thats what i'm booting from now (been able to move my projects over and they build on it fine)
2021-05-16 21:41:00	ayecee	handy
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2021-05-16 21:41:54	[R]	who's gettin a handy?
2021-05-16 21:41:55	davr0s	( i had another spare HD in this machine but it has an older install and didnt want to go through the re-install stress whilst "moving home" with a better alteranative)
2021-05-16 21:42:51	robot696969	ayecee: NordicRest is the guy i was inquiring for
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2021-05-16 21:43:05	ayecee	cool
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2021-05-16 21:43:21	ayecee	NordicRest: what make/model of video card did you get?
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2021-05-16 21:43:48	NordicRest	hi, it's a Gigabyte Eagle 3070
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2021-05-16 21:44:44	ayecee	i just noticed that robot696969 said you don't see the typical bios screen either, is that correct?
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2021-05-16 21:45:19	ayecee	just a black screen until the boot is completed and X launches?
2021-05-16 21:45:31	NordicRest	correct
2021-05-16 21:45:38	NordicRest	that only happens sometimes, though
2021-05-16 21:45:47	NordicRest	sometimes I get the bios screen and grub shows up as normal
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2021-05-16 21:46:00	NordicRest	sometimes grub shows up, but I'm in 800x600 resolution
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2021-05-16 21:46:05	ayecee	hmm
2021-05-16 21:46:16	NordicRest	it gets stuck there even when I boot into an OS
2021-05-16 21:46:21	davr0s	(oh luckily this "folding @home" install happens to be on a 1tb drive, i have tonnes of space to just copy the whole of the 250gb ssd stuff over.. but i'll wait a few days and try and repair it before i wipe it. i just miss booting & compiling from an SSD..)
2021-05-16 21:47:18	davr0s	this is reminding me.. when I read about the chia mining impending HD shortage i started thinking i should just grab some spare HDs.
2021-05-16 21:47:23	ayecee	NordicRest: this intermittent problem, before the OS and before the bootloader starts, suggests to me that it may be a good time to return the card for exchange.
2021-05-16 21:47:26	davr0s	now i wish i did that already
2021-05-16 21:48:24	ayecee	NordicRest: or i guess remove and reseat the card, but i imagine you've tried that :)
2021-05-16 21:48:28	NordicRest	ayecee: I'll get in touch with Gigabyte support, then!
2021-05-16 21:48:34	NordicRest	yeah, unfortunately I have
2021-05-16 21:48:55	ayecee	probably get in touch with the vendor rather than gigabyte, unless you bought directly from gigabyte
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2021-05-16 21:49:07	NordicRest	I didn't. Will do.
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2021-05-16 21:49:10	ayecee	:)
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2021-05-16 21:50:19	NordicRest	while I have your ear, sometimes my computer randomly won't find my boot drive. happened with both windows bootloader and grub, and across three different drives
2021-05-16 21:50:34	NordicRest	ayecee: do you have any idea why that might happen?
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2021-05-16 21:51:33	velix	Is ext4fs encryption as advanced as LUKS or still experimental?
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2021-05-16 21:52:41	ayecee	heh, heckuva system. i can't think of something specific that would cause that. that is, it could be caused by so many things that it'd be hard to track down.
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2021-05-16 21:53:05	davr0s	(i ran "smartctl -s /..."  , i see "SMART overall-health self-assesment test result: PASSED"
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2021-05-16 21:53:40	ayecee	dodgy drive cable, weak power supply, a drive that's a little slow to come ready, a bios that's a little quick to give up...
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2021-05-16 21:54:16	davr0s	dodgy cables is an option.. i should try the drive in another machine perhaps
2021-05-16 21:54:26	ayecee	davr0s: that always looks important but it's probably the least useful part of the output :)
2021-05-16 21:54:33	davr0s	lol ok
2021-05-16 21:55:00	NordicRest	out of those, I think that weak power supply and bad bios are the most likely culprits
2021-05-16 21:55:18	NordicRest	it's a 600w supply, though, so it really shouldn't be :P
2021-05-16 21:55:37	ayecee	NordicRest: at least the power supply is relatively easy to replace
2021-05-16 21:55:55	NordicRest	haven't updated the bios since I got the board back in... 2017? and it was for ryzen, so the bioses were still a little dodgy
2021-05-16 21:56:06	ayecee	worth a try
2021-05-16 21:56:23	NordicRest	I don't think an m.2 drive pulls that much power, though, does it?
2021-05-16 21:56:23	ayecee	cheaper than the power supply thing :)
2021-05-16 21:56:27	NordicRest	definitely xD
2021-05-16 21:56:47	ayecee	no, not much power.
2021-05-16 21:56:52	NordicRest	(still happening on an m.2 ssd is also why I don't think it's a slow drive)
2021-05-16 21:57:20	ayecee	but also another venue to test - migrate the system to another drive, and see if it does same
2021-05-16 21:57:26	NordicRest	welp, time to fuck around in the bios. who knows, maybe that'll magically fix my video issues, too
2021-05-16 21:57:34	ayecee	would be nice
2021-05-16 21:57:58	NordicRest	like I said, it's been on three different drives. two sata, one m.2, two SSD, one HDD
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2021-05-16 21:58:16	ayecee	oh, did i miss that?
2021-05-16 21:58:33	ayecee	guess you've got that part covered then
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2021-05-16 21:58:39	NordicRest	yep
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2021-05-16 22:02:51	velix	Is ext4fs encryption as advanced as LUKS or still experimental?
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2021-05-16 22:06:12	ayecee	how do you mean
2021-05-16 22:06:21	ayecee	what does advanced mean in that context
2021-05-16 22:06:31	velix	I've read there is ext4fs encryption.
2021-05-16 22:06:34	velix	Or did I just dream it?
2021-05-16 22:06:36	velix	:D
2021-05-16 22:06:48	ayecee	wouldn't hurt to check
2021-05-16 22:07:09	velix	No, ext4 has a built-in file based encryption
2021-05-16 22:07:25	sheep	ext4 does have per-directory encryption with the fcrypt api
2021-05-16 22:07:49	sheep	it needs to ne enabled in the kernel with CONFIG_FS_ENCRYPTION=y
2021-05-16 22:08:03	ayecee	for sure it's not as well known or widely used as LUKS
2021-05-16 22:08:06	velix	It thought it's called "FBE" = file Based Encryption?
2021-05-16 22:08:36	ayecee	if you could find a link that describes it, you'd probably know more than we do about it ;)
2021-05-16 22:08:44	sheep	yes, though fcrypt is the API for it
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2021-05-16 22:09:25	velix	I think I need some sleep first :D
2021-05-16 22:09:28	velix	Thanks for your time. gn8
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2021-05-16 22:09:46	ayecee	guhnate to you too
2021-05-16 22:10:01	velix	Gute Nacht.
2021-05-16 22:10:23	velix	Oh damn, "batman begings" just started on TV.
2021-05-16 22:10:26	ayecee	yeah that's not gonna fly
2021-05-16 22:11:02	velix	Batman vs. bed man?
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2021-05-16 22:11:48	velix	badman = joker
2021-05-16 22:12:37	rascul	https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/fscrypt.html
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2021-05-16 22:14:04	velix	I've made LUKS work perfectly now. Full disk encryption with SSH in initramfs.
2021-05-16 22:14:07	rascul	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Fscrypt
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2021-05-16 22:14:17	velix	I can reboot my vserver, login via SSH, unlock the disk and keep on booting.
2021-05-16 22:14:29	 *	rascul takes off his boots
2021-05-16 22:15:08	velix	Where does the cheesy smell come from?
2021-05-16 22:15:12	rascul	cheese
2021-05-16 22:15:14	FloridaMan	feet
2021-05-16 22:15:26	rascul	your feet smell like cheese?
2021-05-16 22:15:39	FloridaMan	occasionally yes
2021-05-16 22:15:44	FloridaMan	yours don't?
2021-05-16 22:15:51	rascul	dunno, i can't smell
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2021-05-16 22:16:03	FloridaMan	then they do
2021-05-16 22:16:10	 *	rascul shrugs
2021-05-16 22:16:11	rascul	perhaps
2021-05-16 22:16:27	 *	rascul puts dryer sheets in the boots
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2021-05-16 22:16:49	FloridaMan	better to just take the cheese out
2021-05-16 22:17:04	rascul	i might get hungry tomorrow when i'm wearing the boots though
2021-05-16 22:17:17	 *	akk wouldn't want to eat cheese that smelled like feet, but that's just me
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2021-05-16 22:17:38	FloridaMan	a flask of a nice red wine would be nice in the other boot
2021-05-16 22:17:40	rascul	i can't smell so i wouldn't know if it smells like feet or what feet or cheese smell like
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2021-05-16 22:17:56	FloridaMan	the best cheeses smell like feet
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2021-05-16 22:18:03	FloridaMan	and vice versa
2021-05-16 22:18:11	rascul	the best feet smell like cheese?
2021-05-16 22:18:27	FloridaMan	now you're starting to get it
2021-05-16 22:18:34	rascul	maybe
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2021-05-16 22:18:44	[R]	i only like swiss and mozzarella, and occationally prolone
2021-05-16 22:18:58	rascul	i don't like holey cheese
2021-05-16 22:19:13	kfrench	[R]: Do you like guns?  Maybe you can have holes in your feet - just like your cheese.
2021-05-16 22:19:24	FloridaMan	just look at Stallman and toe jam
2021-05-16 22:19:28	[R]	kfrench: i woudl't say "like"... its not that i "dislike" them eitehr...
2021-05-16 22:19:35	[R]	kfrench: im sort of indifferent
2021-05-16 22:19:40	rascul	i have guns and my feet are not holed
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2021-05-16 22:19:49	FloridaMan	toe jam, some fava beans, a nice chianti, and some manchego
2021-05-16 22:19:52	[R]	kfrench: i fired my dads gun once
2021-05-16 22:19:59	[R]	well, one occation, i fired it multiple times
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2021-05-16 22:20:35	rascul	sometimes my feet are soled though
2021-05-16 22:20:38	rascul	but not holed
2021-05-16 22:20:56	FloridaMan	I thought that read "soiled" for a moment
2021-05-16 22:21:07	c705	i bet that's what he meant
2021-05-16 22:21:21	rascul	sometimes they get soiled
2021-05-16 22:21:43	c705	and then what
2021-05-16 22:21:45	rascul	usually i wear my boots when that might happen, but i can't always predict the future
2021-05-16 22:22:04	FloridaMan	soil is indeed unpredictable
2021-05-16 22:22:20	rascul	future soil seems to be good at predicting me, though
2021-05-16 22:22:28	[R]	when i was in middle school, we had a teacher that would get mad if you said dirt instead of soil
2021-05-16 22:22:50	 *	rascul soils the dirt
2021-05-16 22:23:08	 *	kfrench pulls out a plastic bag and cleans up after rascul.
2021-05-16 22:23:13	FloridaMan	[R]: sounds like a real keeper
2021-05-16 22:23:40	 *	c705 schools [R]
2021-05-16 22:23:46	rascul	get out of my school
2021-05-16 22:24:05	 *	FloridaMan pulls up in the short bus
2021-05-16 22:24:20	rascul	stop driving my bus
2021-05-16 22:24:48	rascul	also, get out of my bus
2021-05-16 22:25:05	 *	FloridaMan dejectedly walks off of very short bus
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2021-05-16 22:25:24	 *	rascul gets in the short bus and hits the "extend" button
2021-05-16 22:25:39	kfrench	schwing!
2021-05-16 22:26:04	 *	FloridaMan notices the "extend" button is in the shape of a blue diamond
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2021-05-16 22:26:25	rascul	the button isn't even hooked up to anything
2021-05-16 22:26:30	rascul	it's just there to make me feel better
2021-05-16 22:26:41	FloridaMan	hehehe
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2021-05-16 22:26:55	FloridaMan	I always loved those buttons
2021-05-16 22:27:01	FloridaMan	like the "close door" button on an elevator
2021-05-16 22:27:02	rascul	the best kind of buttons
2021-05-16 22:27:14	rascul	i don't care for flush or recessed button
2021-05-16 22:27:21	rascul	i only like protruding buttons
2021-05-16 22:27:27	mlu	if only "shock therapy" mode exists for those
2021-05-16 22:27:40	[R]	rascul: you like when things are sticking out?
2021-05-16 22:27:45	mlu	you press door close when it's not in a mode to use, and it kell you
2021-05-16 22:27:46	 *	rascul sticks [R] out
2021-05-16 22:28:17	 *	FloridaMan walks up to random little kid "hey I'll give you $1 to go press that button"
2021-05-16 22:28:18	mlu	or it would be funny if the door can actaully close faster (i.e. at an unsafe speed)
2021-05-16 22:28:29	rascul	only $1?
2021-05-16 22:28:41	FloridaMan	it's a little kid
2021-05-16 22:28:41	 *	rascul takes the money, spits at FloridaMan, and runs off
2021-05-16 22:28:49	FloridaMan	trust me it's the beginning of a negotiation
2021-05-16 22:28:59	FloridaMan	the kid will ask for $5
2021-05-16 22:29:03	FloridaMan	I'll say $2
2021-05-16 22:29:05	mlu	$1 is 100 cents! that's a lot of money
2021-05-16 22:29:09	FloridaMan	then he'll say $3
2021-05-16 22:29:15	FloridaMan	and I'll give him $3
2021-05-16 22:29:23	mlu	I give him three dollar bill
2021-05-16 22:29:31	rascul	three dollar bill y'all
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2021-05-16 22:31:01	rascul	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDdGrlylcEU
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2021-05-16 22:38:18	bernard__	poop
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2021-05-16 22:39:24	c705	yes, considerably
2021-05-16 22:39:50	Khaytsus	I like dem 3 dolla hollas
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2021-05-16 22:42:06	[R]	i think $20 is the new $1 for little kids
2021-05-16 22:42:46	dieggsy	lmao
2021-05-16 22:42:51	c705	[R]: you're a little kid
2021-05-16 22:43:06	[R]	c705: lol... i wish
2021-05-16 22:43:12	[R]	i'm an old fsck
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2021-05-16 22:43:23	c705	it's all relative
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2021-05-16 22:44:08	[R]	i'm not related to you...
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2021-05-16 22:44:25	c705	prove it
2021-05-16 22:44:36	[R]	lol
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2021-05-16 22:44:49	c705	lets go on maury
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2021-05-16 22:45:14	c705	are you old enough to remember when maury was a normal talk show?
2021-05-16 22:45:15	FloridaMan	Your face is a... nope that doesn't work
2021-05-16 22:45:15	[R]	the DNA test revealed you ARE the father
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2021-05-16 22:45:36	[R]	c705: yeah, when i was a kid i watched maury and sally jessie rafaele and all those with my mom and sister
2021-05-16 22:45:40	[R]	and ricky lake!
2021-05-16 22:45:49	c705	[R]: good jesus you are old
2021-05-16 22:45:54	[R]	ROFL
2021-05-16 22:45:58	c705	stay away from my family
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2021-05-16 22:46:16	FloridaMan	Ricky lake?! Noob
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2021-05-16 22:46:48	FloridaMan	When Oprah was in her trash phase was when it was good
2021-05-16 22:46:57	FloridaMan	And Geraldo
2021-05-16 22:47:01	c705	her mcdonalds phase..lol
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2021-05-16 22:47:16	[R]	oh SNAP
2021-05-16 22:47:21	c705	yeah the 90s were pretty cool
2021-05-16 22:47:37	c705	getting all nostalgic now
2021-05-16 22:47:50	sauvin	but does anybody here remember watching the Art Linkletter show? O:)
2021-05-16 22:48:04	[R]	c705: and the rosie show
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2021-05-16 22:48:29	c705	oh yeah, i forgot rosie was even a thing
2021-05-16 22:48:47	[R]	my dad always said she was gay, and my sister always said no she wasn't, she loves tom cruise
2021-05-16 22:48:47	[R]	lol
2021-05-16 22:48:49	 *	kfrench stays away from sauvin's lawn.
2021-05-16 22:48:52	adamik	rosie is not wholesome
2021-05-16 22:48:53	c705	and the worst thing rosanne ever did was spit at a ball game
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2021-05-16 22:50:12	FloridaMan	Sally Jessie was like the og though
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2021-05-16 22:51:31	FloridaMan	Then again, Oprah Winfrey didn't become the richest woman in the world for nothing
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2021-05-16 22:52:14	c705	FloridaMan: i thought all of that was for gayle's expensive gambling addiction
2021-05-16 22:52:50	FloridaMan	Burrrrn
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2021-05-16 22:54:06	FloridaMan	I have to drug my dog
2021-05-16 22:54:09	questi	there can't be no friend without love and love is rare amongst us
2021-05-16 22:54:13	FloridaMan	It makes me sad
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2021-05-16 22:54:55	FloridaMan	He can't get his claws trimmed without me spiking his drinks with trazadone
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2021-05-16 22:56:20	[R]	one of my cats has no probelms with me trimming his claws
2021-05-16 22:56:28	[R]	but my other cat acts like its the worst thing ever
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2021-05-16 22:57:06	kfrench	[R]: cat's feet are very sensitive.  They don't like being fooled with.
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2021-05-16 22:57:22	[R]	kfrench: kitty i can just sit him in my lap and do it and he is the happiest cat in the world
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2021-05-16 22:58:08	adamik	why trim a cat's claws?
2021-05-16 22:58:13	adamik	is it some kind of medical condition
2021-05-16 22:58:19	questi	adamik: yes
2021-05-16 22:58:23	questi	insanity
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2021-05-16 22:59:12	kfrench	adamik: Normally, cat's claws will shed their outter bits regularly.  Sometimes it stops and their claws get long and curl under.  Also they get too thick and yucky.
2021-05-16 22:59:29	kfrench	adamik: Just trimming off the end is enough to get the process started again.
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2021-05-16 22:59:43	questi	yucky lol
2021-05-16 22:59:45	[R]	adamik: i trim them when they start getting stuck in things or they start to stab me
2021-05-16 22:59:50	c705	wait what? i don't trim my cats claws
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2021-05-16 23:00:16	lunario	do you guys know any smaller-in-size program next to kdenlive on linux that allow you to blur parts in a video (e.g. license plates, faces)?
2021-05-16 23:00:26	[R]	c705: usually its fine if you dont, but you should make sure theyre not too big
2021-05-16 23:00:36	adamik	they should stab you, c705
2021-05-16 23:00:48	adamik	that is their defense. even if they are an indoor cat only, what if they get out?
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2021-05-16 23:00:56	questi	if human does not love humans how will he love animals
2021-05-16 23:01:04	rascul	humans are the worst
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2021-05-16 23:01:13	c705	adamik: fuck if i know
2021-05-16 23:01:23	rascul	cats are the worser worst
2021-05-16 23:01:24	[R]	questi: i hate people, but i love my cats
2021-05-16 23:01:29	c705	she comes when there's food involved
2021-05-16 23:01:35	sauvin	c705, language.
2021-05-16 23:01:40	c705	sorry daddy
2021-05-16 23:01:48	kfrench	adamik: There's a difference between trim and remove.  I'm not sure if you're getting it mixed up here.
2021-05-16 23:02:02	rascul	some dogs trim their own nails
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2021-05-16 23:02:07	adamik	I'm not mixing them up
2021-05-16 23:02:08	rascul	my dog doesn't
2021-05-16 23:02:08	[R]	adamik: you just take off the tip
2021-05-16 23:02:13	rascul	just the tip
2021-05-16 23:02:26	[R]	after like 8 years, i accidently cut a little too much a few weeks ago
2021-05-16 23:02:35	rascul	animal abuse
2021-05-16 23:02:36	[R]	he didnt seem to mind that much, but there was a littel blood
2021-05-16 23:02:55	kfrench	[R]: Easy to do.
2021-05-16 23:04:00	adamik	maybe they need something to claw to facilitate the shedding
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2021-05-16 23:04:20	[R]	adamik: i have this cat tower they love scratching it
2021-05-16 23:04:21	questi	rascul: there can be a cartoon where cats domesticate humans only cats are not that '%^&' lol
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2021-05-16 23:04:24	questi	xd
2021-05-16 23:04:25	FloridaMan	Well not to be too real, but dogs are our pets. If we were really that screwed we'd be their pets.
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2021-05-16 23:04:30	FloridaMan	Same with cats
2021-05-16 23:04:38	rascul	dogs are not our pets
2021-05-16 23:04:42	rascul	we are the dogs pets
2021-05-16 23:04:44	[R]	dogs are lame
2021-05-16 23:04:49	c705	who's picking up whos poo
2021-05-16 23:05:12	FloridaMan	Who eats when I say they eat?
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2021-05-16 23:05:24	rascul	my dog eats whenever she wants
2021-05-16 23:05:26	[R]	my cats free feed
2021-05-16 23:05:35	kfrench	FloridaMan: That depends on how much you like your couch.
2021-05-16 23:05:37	c705	i don't know about you, but my meal times are revolved around when i feed the cat
2021-05-16 23:05:41	[R]	c705: my sisters dogs used to eat their poop, so gross
2021-05-16 23:05:44	FloridaMan	Sounds like you have your balls to them
2021-05-16 23:05:56	FloridaMan	Gave*
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2021-05-16 23:06:14	c705	[R]: thanks for sharing that with me
2021-05-16 23:06:18	[R]	lol
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2021-05-16 23:06:43	FloridaMan	Mmmm hazelnut
2021-05-16 23:06:48	rascul	poop eating might be a sign of a bad diet
2021-05-16 23:06:53	questi	yep
2021-05-16 23:07:10	[R]	i think that dog has since died
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2021-05-16 23:07:20	c705	no kidding
2021-05-16 23:07:28	questi	so ok no human friends, soon cats and dogs will leave too lol
2021-05-16 23:07:28	FloridaMan	rascul: I was wondering why I was doing that
2021-05-16 23:07:35	rascul	FloridaMan eat more cheeseburgers
2021-05-16 23:07:43	c705	wait didn't someone ask a linux question
2021-05-16 23:07:54	rascul	who wants to linux with me?
2021-05-16 23:07:59	[R]	rascul: i'll linux you so hard
2021-05-16 23:08:11	FloridaMan	I'll Linux you harder
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2021-05-16 23:08:18	rascul	i do the linuxes all night long
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2021-05-16 23:08:23	rascul	(until bedtime)
2021-05-16 23:08:30	FloridaMan	*all night*
2021-05-16 23:08:35	c705	lunario: i wonder if imagemagik would do that?
2021-05-16 23:08:41	rascul	i uses parentheses
2021-05-16 23:08:47	rascul	*used
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2021-05-16 23:09:06	rascul	did i spell that p word right?
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2021-05-16 23:09:16	c705	i think so
2021-05-16 23:09:19	[R]	parenthesis
2021-05-16 23:09:27	[R]	thats what my spell checker said
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2021-05-16 23:09:39	rascul	so you're saying i'm a failure
2021-05-16 23:09:44	[R]	a complete and total
2021-05-16 23:09:50	sauvin	A ( or a ) is a parenthesis, and () when used together are parentheses.
2021-05-16 23:09:50	rascul	i see
2021-05-16 23:10:07	rascul	sauvin quit with all the words and just say if i'm right or wrong
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2021-05-16 23:10:11	c705	i knew it
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2021-05-16 23:10:25	[R]	sauvin: well aren't you mr webster
2021-05-16 23:10:36	kfrench	sauvin: parenthesi.
2021-05-16 23:10:46	adamik	parenthesii
2021-05-16 23:10:46	 *	rascul throws his parent's thesis at [R]
2021-05-16 23:10:48	[R]	sauvin: or was it mrs webster...
2021-05-16 23:11:11	[R]	is miriam webster a chick named miriam and a dude named webster, or is it a single person named miriam webster?
2021-05-16 23:11:24	rascul	i think it's merriam
2021-05-16 23:11:30	[R]	that doesnt seem right...
2021-05-16 23:11:41	rascul	https://www.merriam-webster.com/
2021-05-16 23:11:45	questi	merry i a m
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2021-05-16 23:11:48	FloridaMan	You can actually look this up
2021-05-16 23:11:48	c705	merriam is the publisher
2021-05-16 23:11:51	c705	webster was a dude
2021-05-16 23:11:53	[R]	they probably have that as a redirect for peopel tha can't spell miriam
2021-05-16 23:12:00	FloridaMan	On a little thing called the interwebs
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2021-05-16 23:12:13	[R]	c705: why does merriam get all the credit if webster was the one that actually did the real work?
2021-05-16 23:12:14	rascul	https://m-w.com
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2021-05-16 23:12:37	c705	merriam doesn't get all the credit, that's why it's called merriam-webster
2021-05-16 23:12:48	[R]	lol
2021-05-16 23:12:52	FloridaMan	Lolol
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2021-05-16 23:12:55	[R]	well if merriam is listed first
2021-05-16 23:12:56	c705	and furthermore, have you ever tried publushing a book
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2021-05-16 23:12:59	[R]	seems like a credit hog to me
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2021-05-16 23:13:02	c705	in 1831
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2021-05-16 23:13:12	[R]	c705: its easy these days, just slap an ebook online
2021-05-16 23:13:13	c705	webster would be a nobody without merriam
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2021-05-16 23:13:31	[R]	c705: i wasn't alive in 1831, so i can't comment
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2021-05-16 23:13:51	 *	FloridaMan makes note to not challenge Merriam's legitimacy with c705
2021-05-16 23:13:52	c705	then shut your cakehole
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2021-05-16 23:14:23	[R]	HAHA
2021-05-16 23:14:29	[R]	c705: are you the long lost heir to merriam?
2021-05-16 23:14:36	c705	webster was lucky marriam had the kindness in his heart to include his name
2021-05-16 23:14:45	[R]	HAHA
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2021-05-16 23:14:56	[R]	we're talking about the kid from the TV Show, right?
2021-05-16 23:14:56	c705	no
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2021-05-16 23:15:34	[R]	then who cares
2021-05-16 23:15:42	c705	i do
2021-05-16 23:15:51	FloridaMan	Wait are we still Linuxing hard?
2021-05-16 23:15:59	c705	no, no we're not
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2021-05-16 23:16:33	[R]	FloridaMan: i'll linux you so hard you won't be able to sit straight for a week
2021-05-16 23:16:34	Nickwiz	lunario: You might want to look into tensorflow and opencv. Sure there are programs for it as well, but for example: https://github.com/mikeshihyaolin/face_blurring
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2021-05-16 23:16:57	[R]	Nickwiz: is that a light flow or a heavy flow of tensors?
2021-05-16 23:17:07	FloridaMan	[R]: a week? Noob. I've had two-week no-sit situations
2021-05-16 23:17:13	c705	1-900-linux-me
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2021-05-16 23:17:29	[R]	c705: linux sex line... interesting
2021-05-16 23:17:46	 *	sauvin isn't so much "linuxing" as "perling"
2021-05-16 23:17:46	c705	i'll root your partitions so hard
2021-05-16 23:17:46	Nickwiz	[Я] It's a mesh of tonsils
2021-05-16 23:17:49	[R]	are 900 numbers still a thing?
2021-05-16 23:18:11	FloridaMan	1-900-tux-4-me
2021-05-16 23:18:45	kfrench	FloridaMan: You should eat more apples.
2021-05-16 23:18:53	c705	wigums would know
2021-05-16 23:19:24	FloridaMan	2
2021-05-16 23:20:13	FloridaMan	I feel the urge to cook steak
2021-05-16 23:20:26	FloridaMan	I'm not sure this is healthy
2021-05-16 23:20:34	rascul	i already cooked and ate my steak
2021-05-16 23:20:39	rascul	sirloin
2021-05-16 23:20:53	FloridaMan	Which cut exactly?
2021-05-16 23:20:54	c705	i can't stomach steak that well
2021-05-16 23:20:59	rascul	i dunno
2021-05-16 23:21:08	rascul	the knife cut
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2021-05-16 23:21:28	FloridaMan	I think we need to have another private session
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2021-05-16 23:21:47	rascul	would this require a ribeye?
2021-05-16 23:21:56	rascul	or two?
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2021-05-16 23:22:00	FloridaMan	It wouldn't hurt
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2021-05-16 23:22:18	rascul	i'll see if i can scrounge a couple up
2021-05-16 23:22:26	FloridaMan	I already have 12
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2021-05-16 23:22:39	FloridaMan	I'll send an evite
2021-05-16 23:22:43	kfrench	You have 12 couples?  Are you some sort of counselor?
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2021-05-16 23:23:03	FloridaMan	12 ribeyes
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2021-05-16 23:23:20	FloridaMan	From cows, not humans
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2021-05-16 23:23:40	rascul	12 ribeye couples from cows?
2021-05-16 23:23:40	FloridaMan	I'm not a longpig fan
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2021-05-16 23:24:21	rascul	i like pigs though
2021-05-16 23:24:32	rascul	they're delicious
2021-05-16 23:24:38	FloridaMan	Just the shorter ones
2021-05-16 23:24:48	rascul	also the longer ones
2021-05-16 23:25:01	rascul	and the middler length ones
2021-05-16 23:25:23	rascul	i'm inclusive
2021-05-16 23:25:43	rascul	not discriminating on pig shortness
2021-05-16 23:26:00	FloridaMan	You should
2021-05-16 23:26:13	rascul	maybe, maybe not
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2021-05-16 23:26:24	FloridaMan	Ok
2021-05-16 23:26:32	 *	rascul gives FloridaMan a buffalo
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2021-05-16 23:26:56	FloridaMan	Is it a longbuffalo?
2021-05-16 23:27:00	rascul	i think that's the kind of buffalo you need to keep in water
2021-05-16 23:27:25	rascul	i didn't get any instructions with it though
2021-05-16 23:27:46	adamik	Someone once sent me some key lime pie cookies from America.
2021-05-16 23:27:59	rascul	it came with more people but they got lost in transportation
2021-05-16 23:28:12	rascul	adamik were they any good?
2021-05-16 23:28:18	adamik	nope
2021-05-16 23:28:34	FloridaMan	Key lime is overrated
2021-05-16 23:28:45	rascul	is it better than non-key lime?
2021-05-16 23:28:51	FloridaMan	And that's a FloridaMan saying that
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2021-05-16 23:29:12	rascul	florida has keys?
2021-05-16 23:29:17	adamik	this is one of aesop's fables
2021-05-16 23:29:19	FloridaMan	rascul: marginally
2021-05-16 23:29:22	adamik	the floridaman and the limes
2021-05-16 23:29:28	rascul	is that like margarine?
2021-05-16 23:29:40	c705	aren't the keys really trashy?
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2021-05-16 23:29:44	FloridaMan	"I can't believe it's not butter"
2021-05-16 23:29:53	FloridaMan	"well believe it bro"
2021-05-16 23:30:00	FloridaMan	"it's not butter"
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2021-05-16 23:30:17	rascul	i like ice cream
2021-05-16 23:30:21	adamik	They get wrecked by tropical storms on a regular basis so I guess it's every FloridaMan's duty to pretend the limes were never good in the first place.
2021-05-16 23:30:39	 *	kfrench 's ostrich steals rascul's ice cream.
2021-05-16 23:30:49	 *	rascul steals kfrench's ostrich
2021-05-16 23:31:05	kfrench	You gave him to me.  You can't have him back.
2021-05-16 23:31:18	rascul	i'm not having him back i'm stealing him back
2021-05-16 23:31:25	rascul	super huge difference there
2021-05-16 23:32:17	kfrench	Goodbye, dear ostrich.  I'll always remember the things you brought me.
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2021-05-16 23:32:49	 *	rascul gives the ostrich some ice cream and a cheeseburger and lets it go
2021-05-16 23:32:53	c705	you didn't even give it a name?
2021-05-16 23:32:58	c705	shows how much you cared
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2021-05-16 23:34:42	e36freak	c705: i been here for years
2021-05-16 23:34:53	c705	interesting
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2021-05-16 23:35:12	adamik	No mention of any eggs. All of this blathering about steak, and no eggs.
2021-05-16 23:35:18	adamik	There's an ostrich _right_ _there_.
2021-05-16 23:35:38	Nickwiz	Considering ost=cheese that is kind of cruel, to give him a ostburger.
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2021-05-16 23:36:51	adamik	Original Sound Track?
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2021-05-16 23:37:28	FloridaMan	Well the ostrich was a "he"
2021-05-16 23:37:35	sheep	allegedly
2021-05-16 23:37:38	FloridaMan	Not sure how eggs happen
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2021-05-16 23:37:47	sheep	wait wrong channel
2021-05-16 23:37:55	FloridaMan	No it fits
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2021-05-16 23:39:42	adamik	I doubt anyone actually checked.
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2021-05-16 23:42:33	FloridaMan	Anyone that checked was ostracized
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2021-05-17 00:21:22	velix	Damn, batman has kept me awake. Now it's 6:21 am :(
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2021-05-17 00:23:13	adamik	batman didnt do that
2021-05-17 00:24:01	velix	adamik: Sure. He just saved Gotham City for me.
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2021-05-17 00:26:36	joeschmoepenguin	which batman?
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2021-05-17 00:28:36	adamik	/usr/bin/batman
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2021-05-17 00:28:59	joeschmoepenguin	i prefer to download batman as an appimage  and put in ~/.local/bin
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2021-05-17 00:29:28	joeschmoepenguin	that way i don't have to go through the hassle of installing alfred
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2021-05-17 00:29:41	adamik	you mean clippy?
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2021-05-17 00:30:11	joeschmoepenguin	what does clippy have to do with batman?
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2021-05-17 00:33:03	adamik	what does appimage have to do with batman?
2021-05-17 00:33:16	adamik	I thought we were just naming crappy crap.
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2021-05-17 00:33:40	joeschmoepenguin	no
2021-05-17 00:34:24	joeschmoepenguin	you prefer to install batman in /usr/bin, i was just mentioning how i install batman
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2021-05-17 00:37:37	miskatonic	batman can't hold a candle to FloridaMan, anyways
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2021-05-17 00:39:01	joeschmoepenguin	indeed, batman has too many dependencies, he needs alfred to remain stable
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2021-05-17 00:41:02	adamik	batman has more dependencies than FloridaMan?
2021-05-17 00:41:13	adamik	FloridaMan is renowned for dependency issues.
2021-05-17 00:41:16	joeschmoepenguin	oh
2021-05-17 00:42:04	joeschmoepenguin	well the thing is, batman is widely advertised for not needing many dependencies, but in reality if you run batman without alfred or robin he crashes
2021-05-17 00:42:34	joeschmoepenguin	every day he adopts new orphaned packages and gets more dependencies
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2021-05-17 00:58:01	sauvin	Yeah, but Batman and Catwoman make a heck of a pair, no?
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2021-05-17 00:58:56	peac	a great tuple indeed
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2021-05-17 01:00:01	sauvin	o/~ tiptoe through the tuples with me... o/~
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2021-05-17 01:01:36	pnbeast	Jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg, the Batmobile lost a wheel and the Joker got away, HEY!
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2021-05-17 01:02:22	jaggz	what's the tool to clone a drive but smart, with the drive re-created then files copied over instead of sector-per-sector
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2021-05-17 01:05:27	ayecee	clonezilla?
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2021-05-17 01:26:07	node1	Hello
2021-05-17 01:26:33	node1	I have two external monitor attached with Linux O 5.8.0-53-generic #60~20.04.1-Ubuntu
2021-05-17 01:26:49	node1	Only second monitor is getting diplayed but the third one
2021-05-17 01:27:26	node1	Only second monitor is getting diplayed but the third one
2021-05-17 01:27:37	paulcarroty	start from testing with latest kernel+gpu drivers
2021-05-17 01:27:54	node1	I don't have gpu on my system
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2021-05-17 01:28:24	node1	It's cheap laptop  Lenovo ideapad 110
2021-05-17 01:28:44	paulcarroty	and who's sending the video signal here? mordor power?
2021-05-17 01:28:48	omero	? how you call the board that connects the monitor?
2021-05-17 01:28:55	node1	It comes with preinstalled DOS , but i removed it and installed Linux on it
2021-05-17 01:29:14	paulcarroty	so there's integrated gpu
2021-05-17 01:29:16	omero	bhuhuhauu mordor power ROTFL
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2021-05-17 01:29:47	node1	I have connected with  HDMI Bi- Direction switch 4k and 2K
2021-05-17 01:30:12	omero	yeah... so there _IS_ a gpu on your laptop :P
2021-05-17 01:30:25	node1	https://www.amazon.in/gp/product/B08HWZYWNQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
2021-05-17 01:31:17	node1	00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics] (rev c6)
2021-05-17 01:31:31	omero	the part I still dont get node1 ... is I have two external monitor ... then you talk about a third
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2021-05-17 01:32:19	node1	Second and Third monitor abbreviation == two external monitor.
2021-05-17 01:32:59	omero	now I get it... so you have the laptop display + two others...
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2021-05-17 01:33:13	node1	1st monitor is my laptop screen. 2nd and 3rd screen are external monitor which is connected with  HDMI bi- direction switch
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2021-05-17 01:33:26	node1	yes sir
2021-05-17 01:33:32	omero	yes yes... now I get it :D
2021-05-17 01:33:45	node1	So kindly do let me know the solution
2021-05-17 01:34:39	omero	mmm... which is the one not properly working, the 3rd one?
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2021-05-17 01:35:21	omero	it might be a problem of the HDMI switch
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2021-05-17 01:36:06	omero	but it could also be the monitor itself... have you tried swapping them?
2021-05-17 01:36:27	omero	just to make sure they are all working
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2021-05-17 01:37:42	node1	yes but one work at a time
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2021-05-17 01:38:33	 *	omero wagers on the hdmi switch 
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2021-05-17 01:40:07	omero	had something similar happening with a KVM device time ago... turned out it was the KVM in the end...
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2021-05-17 01:41:40	node1	That's how it's connected https://ibb.co/Df6VZ82
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2021-05-17 01:41:48	node1	https://ibb.co/4TG78Jr
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2021-05-17 01:42:31	node1	lspci | grep VGA
2021-05-17 01:42:31	node1	00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Stoney [Radeon R2/R3/R4/R5 Graphics] (rev c6) https://pastebin.com/raw/qMRrsV4y
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2021-05-17 01:43:44	omero	seems you would expect also the last connector to have its led properly lit , wouldnt you?
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2021-05-17 01:46:10	node1	everything is connected perfectly. Do i need to install any additional driver?
2021-05-17 01:46:13	omero	btw... its very dangerous to have liquid-filled things around keyboards... I know... I destroyed my old trusty one last week...
2021-05-17 01:46:35	node1	Only i used consume green tea.
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2021-05-17 01:47:25	omero	node1, I dont think its a driver problem there.... or else you wouldnt get _ANY_ of the display to show something...
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2021-05-17 01:47:45	omero	*displays
2021-05-17 01:48:30	omero	what Im saying its that its more likely hardware... cables, the hdmi switch...
2021-05-17 01:48:46	node1	How do i test that?
2021-05-17 01:49:08	omero	first thing would be 'swapping' the cables
2021-05-17 01:49:33	node1	omero, My both of the monitor works fine.
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2021-05-17 01:50:26	omero	mmm... there another thing ... xrand?
2021-05-17 01:50:48	omero	wait... Im checking the exact syntax
2021-05-17 01:50:53	gry	xrandr
2021-05-17 01:50:56	gry	arandr is a guy for it
2021-05-17 01:51:01	gry	arandr is a gui for it
2021-05-17 01:51:05	omero	yes that one
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2021-05-17 01:51:23	omero	man xrandr :D
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2021-05-17 01:52:12	omero	xrandr should give you informations about what is currenly 'seen' as connected
2021-05-17 01:52:20	node1	https://pastebin.com/raw/LYVEgGVm
2021-05-17 01:53:17	omero	ahm... from /topic -->>  (please don't use pastebin.com)
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2021-05-17 01:55:05	omero	I wouldnt be able to see it in any case...
2021-05-17 01:55:38	omero	(because I have it blacklisted)
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2021-05-17 01:58:03	omero	you could use netcat (nc) as indicated in /topic, or socat (works just as well)
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2021-05-17 01:59:13	omero	xrandr | socat - TCP4:termbin.com:9999
2021-05-17 01:59:41	omero	https://termbin.com/rb5a
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2021-05-17 02:00:57	omero	the line ending with the + character indicates those that are currently 'in use'
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2021-05-17 02:02:56	omero	mmm... never knew xrandr had a GUI frontend gry :P
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2021-05-17 02:05:29	node1	okay
2021-05-17 02:05:40	node1	so there is no solution for this problem.
2021-05-17 02:05:42	omero	lol... I still have nightmares about when in order to get a proper X session running one had to fiddle with modeline
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2021-05-17 02:06:26	omero	node1, what does xrandr is telling you?
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2021-05-17 02:06:52	omero	sorry but I cannot really 'see' pastebin.com
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2021-05-17 02:07:43	node1	https://paste.debian.net/1197835/
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2021-05-17 02:08:40	omero	ahh... now that's better... mmm
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2021-05-17 02:09:16	omero	thus seems that you do have only two active connections... yes that makes sense
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2021-05-17 02:10:09	omero	in order to have all 3 monitors to be working simultaneously you would need 'another' gpu on your system...
2021-05-17 02:10:27	omero	wich in your case isnt an option :/
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2021-05-17 02:14:17	omero	at least now you know its not a kernel/driver problem node1 :D
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2021-05-17 02:15:18	 *	omero still giggling about the 'mordor power' pun 
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2021-05-17 02:17:10	node1	ok
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2021-05-17 02:18:28	adamik	okay!
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2021-05-17 02:20:24	gry	omero, saves people the hassle of learning to read and to use the shell
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2021-05-17 02:21:23	omero	lol
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2021-05-17 02:22:52	omero	I guess that's the politically correct version of RTFM eh?
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2021-05-17 02:23:18	node1	okay thank you omero
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2021-05-17 02:24:00	omero	node1, you are welcome ... too bad it didnt help much
2021-05-17 02:24:36	node1	actually this device is not splitter. They claim in the picture as it work as splitter but it's just a switch.
2021-05-17 02:25:11	node1	It's amazon and vendor fault.
2021-05-17 02:25:18	omero	yep... I thought it was a real splitter but ... its not ...
2021-05-17 02:25:27	pnbeast	That's sort of a splitter that's aware of the passage of time.
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2021-05-17 02:25:40	node1	I have tested there product unfortunately
2021-05-17 02:25:43	omero	it wouldnt have done any good even when it was a splitter
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2021-05-17 02:26:19	omero	I mean... you would just see the same things on both the external monitors
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2021-05-17 02:26:57	node1	So which splitter i should purchase?
2021-05-17 02:27:02	omero	which I cannot think how that would be usefull unless you wanted to have the same thing displayed in multiple 'rooms/locations' at once
2021-05-17 02:27:52	omero	node1, I think you want to have a setup where your system actually has 'three' (number #3) heads
2021-05-17 02:28:20	omero	not #2 where one of them is splitted... switched...
2021-05-17 02:28:37	omero	it would still amount to have 2 heads.
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2021-05-17 02:29:09	omero	I am unsure if I stated that in a sensible way...
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2021-05-17 02:31:56	omero	in other words... even if you split the HDMI 'connector' ... and that splitter was working 'as expected'... you would still see the same signal on both the monitors connected to it.
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2021-05-17 02:32:29	omero	not like having a real '3' heads...
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2021-05-17 02:32:50	omero	you would have 1 head, plus another one splitted on two displays
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2021-05-17 02:33:38	omero	would only make sense if you needed to 'replicate' one of the heads in multiples rooms... say your kitchen and your bathroom...
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2021-05-17 02:34:39	node1	I'm asking which splitter should i purchase to connect with 2 external monitors.
2021-05-17 02:34:56	node1	Which is supported on Linux platform.
2021-05-17 02:35:26	omero	node1, again... that would avail to not what you are expecting to get...
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2021-05-17 02:36:46	node1	? I'm unable to understand you.
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2021-05-17 02:36:49	omero	you would really need to have 'at least' two different physical GPUs on your system
2021-05-17 02:37:17	lopid	any splitter as long as the gfx card can handle it
2021-05-17 02:37:17	node1	can you Link me please?
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2021-05-17 02:38:09	omero	you only have 1 physical GPU on your system... yes... it has 2 "exits" ... but even if you split one of the 2, the result will still amount to having 'two heads'
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2021-05-17 02:41:23	rouji	"splitters" that combine 2 outputs into one big surface do exist, but they're kind of rare
2021-05-17 02:41:48	omero	yes... precisely... also very expensive rouji
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2021-05-17 02:42:39	rouji	haven't needed one since VGA days
2021-05-17 02:42:42	omero	home theater equipement... professional home theater equipement
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2021-05-17 02:44:03	omero	or the kind of equipement one would want to have World Cups events on a public square :P
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2021-05-17 02:44:29	rouji	the vga ones used to be cheap enough
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2021-05-17 02:44:59	omero	lol... for an average town budget maybe
2021-05-17 02:45:19	rouji	no, actually cheap
2021-05-17 02:45:19	omero	my budged could never afford such things :P
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2021-05-17 02:46:02	rouji	we still have a few somewhere
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2021-05-17 02:46:22	rouji	used them just for normal office PC situations
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2021-05-17 02:46:56	omero	see what I mean?
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2021-05-17 02:47:41	rouji	not really
2021-05-17 02:48:07	omero	my mom (the CEO) would never have approved such expense :P
2021-05-17 02:49:31	omero	I mean... anything that costed more than 5 USD... (the equivalent in your currency)
2021-05-17 02:50:45	node1	Okay so i need a GPU here to make two external head.
2021-05-17 02:51:29	omero	I dont think you can really install another GPU on that lenovo, node1
2021-05-17 02:51:45	node1	How about Major splitter?
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2021-05-17 02:52:53	rouji	do you only have one external output?
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2021-05-17 02:53:38	sauvin	People sometimes confuse me with Sauron. What do you want?
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2021-05-17 02:53:41	omero	ahh... I get diverted to answering machine...
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2021-05-17 02:54:43	omero	nevermind Sauron... Its not urgent... I'll call back later.
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2021-05-17 02:55:21	node1	What do you mean one external?
2021-05-17 02:55:55	sauvin	Do you have only one port to plug in a cable?
2021-05-17 02:56:01	omero	he's got 2
2021-05-17 02:56:12	sauvin	Oo. Fancy!
2021-05-17 02:56:22	omero	according to xrandr...
2021-05-17 02:56:42	node1	Yes only one port to plugin HDMI
2021-05-17 02:56:47	omero	but only one is HDMI
2021-05-17 02:56:51	rouji	no displayport via usb-c or something?
2021-05-17 02:57:19	rouji	or something via dock connector
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2021-05-17 02:57:35	omero	if I interpret the readings correcly.. node1 main GPU is ... well... cheap :P
2021-05-17 02:58:04	node1	no it has only 1 port for HDMI no VGA or
2021-05-17 02:58:11	omero	it wouldnt have the necessary RAM or raw 'capacity'
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2021-05-17 02:58:22	node1	2 port for USB which is being occupied by keyboard and mouse.
2021-05-17 02:58:25	omero	processing power?
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2021-05-17 03:21:20	tgodar	not sure how to fix this. Removed fail2ban
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2021-05-17 03:22:24	tmm88	what are your thoughts about gufw
2021-05-17 03:22:25	tmm88	?
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2021-05-17 03:24:04	tgodar	can I just delete from /etc/firewalld/direct.xml? I miss iptables
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2021-05-17 03:26:07	SuperSeriousCat	It is probably fine if you just want to setup a basic FW as easy as possible with a GUI, tmm88
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2021-05-17 03:26:46	tmm88	you set sudo apt-get -y install gufw or whatever package manager you are using
2021-05-17 03:26:55	tmm88	then you go to gnome settings
2021-05-17 03:27:08	tmm88	and start running firewall
2021-05-17 03:27:14	tmm88	set it active
2021-05-17 03:27:17	tmm88	and you're done
2021-05-17 03:27:51	 *	omero really fails to understand the need for complicating things (like using a GUI) to setup a proper firewall
2021-05-17 03:28:10	adamik	ufw is piss-easy on the cli
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2021-05-17 03:29:28	node1	will it solve the problem? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofxCYC1S5Wc
2021-05-17 03:29:29	adamik	that is one of it's stated aims
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2021-05-17 03:32:30	omero	I still fail to understand how that is more simple than using iptables/ip6tables and the iptables-restore/ip6tables-restore directly
2021-05-17 03:32:43	omero	who needs a GUI
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2021-05-17 03:33:23	bryan	using a gui?
2021-05-17 03:33:32	bryan	some poeple don't like terminals man
2021-05-17 03:33:34	SuperSeriousCat	Some people like GUI's. Nothing wrong with that
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2021-05-17 03:34:26	adamik	well.. "okay."
2021-05-17 03:35:23	NyB	out of curiosity, does the kernel do any optimization on firewall rules these days?
2021-05-17 03:35:46	bryan	but this conversation can sometimes bring out the worst in people
2021-05-17 03:36:09	bryan	once upon a time this guy wanted to learn git and I suggested he learn the commands before using a GUI so he gets familar with it
2021-05-17 03:36:14	bryan	he lost his shit and called me a linux nazi
2021-05-17 03:36:32	NyB	I use shorewall on my desktops, and most of my routers run EdgeOS. I found the generated iptables rules less optimal than what I'd have hand-coded using iptables.
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2021-05-17 03:38:39	bryan	there are passionate individuals in both camps
2021-05-17 03:39:09	NyB	bryan: oof, that's harsh. That said, it's also a matter of personal preferences. I do most of my work (coding, IRC, file management...) on a terminal, but I've yet to find a 3-way merge TUI that is as usable as the GUI options.
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2021-05-17 03:41:14	bryan	yup, tmux for plexing, vim for editting.
2021-05-17 03:41:29	bryan	ls and grep are pretty much enough in most cases
2021-05-17 03:41:39	NyB	bryan: screen & emacs - let the flames start :-p
2021-05-17 03:42:07	NyB	actually, I use vim on root accounts
2021-05-17 03:42:24	bryan	haha, I have respect for emacs, even though the default keyboard shortcut keys are awkward
2021-05-17 03:42:46	bryan	vim is a good text editor, but that's pretty much where I keep it
2021-05-17 03:42:48	NyB	bryan: I only remember like 5 of them. Same with the vim commands.
2021-05-17 03:42:55	adamik	tmux is titillation if you are really going for that workflow.
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2021-05-17 03:43:34	adamik	just bite the bullet and use a tiling wm
2021-05-17 03:44:01	NyB	I barely even use buffers in Emacs - I tend to go for multiple screen shells - non-windowed ones.
2021-05-17 03:44:20	bryan	tried i3 but I'm not as big of a fan for desktop environments
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2021-05-17 03:44:50	NyB	I've been thinking about a tiling wm, but right now I cannot justify the 1-2 weeks it'd take me to configure it properly
2021-05-17 03:44:52	bryan	i'm going to use xfce4 until I can't
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2021-05-17 03:45:36	adamik	where do you get 1-2 weeks?
2021-05-17 03:45:49	sauvin	I'm on the opposite end. I use KDE and a crapload of Konsoles.
2021-05-17 03:46:11	NyB	adamik: I'm just that picky, I guess. Most tiling wm's I've seen are "bring your own water" kind of things
2021-05-17 03:46:48	hexnewbie	At least it's not GNOME where they kick you out of the establishment if you drink your medicine with your own water you didn't purchase there
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2021-05-17 03:47:15	NyB	adamik: so you need a wm, then a tray, then a notification something, then a smarter execute-command something, then you need to theme all of those to look somewhat similar...
2021-05-17 03:47:32	adamik	you need a tray?
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2021-05-17 03:47:45	adamik	and a theme?
2021-05-17 03:47:47	NyB	hexnewbie: shrug, I use gnome3 - looks pretty enough, and it's now not broken enough for me to switch.
2021-05-17 03:47:47	sauvin	I can't use gnome for the same reason I can't use a bicycle with training wheels.
2021-05-17 03:47:52	adamik	queen nyb over here
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2021-05-17 03:47:53	paulcarroty	you need a wm and shitload of time for setup
2021-05-17 03:48:05	NyB	adamik: :-p
2021-05-17 03:48:15	bryan	https://i.imgur.com/zwnjCYc.png
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2021-05-17 03:48:59	NyB	adamik: I have a few things that are annoying to use without a tray. But I mostly use gnome3 as a not-even-tiling wm - I generally only have a single window visible on each workspace per-monitor.
2021-05-17 03:49:03	hexnewbie	Well, tray is a requirement. The TLS certificate Java util my bank uses to authorize my transactions sits in the system tray and can only be activated from there. Well, technically, I broke it a couple of years ago so I've been simply been going to the bank in person, but theoretically
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2021-05-17 03:49:45	NyB	skype is also annoying to quit without a tray. And I find myself quiting it a lot...
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2021-05-17 03:49:58	bryan	> using skype in 2021
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2021-05-17 03:50:25	paulcarroty	do not use tray since gnome wiped it, no issues
2021-05-17 03:50:41	NyB	bryan: I'd be happy to dump it. Unfortunately, it's purpose is to talk to other people, with their own preferences.
2021-05-17 03:50:48	hexnewbie	> using IRC in 2021, > using DOS prompt in front of your messages in 2021
2021-05-17 03:50:57	paulcarroty	bryan here many people still use myspace
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2021-05-17 03:51:43	SuperSeriousCat	Many things still use IRC too. Just with a prettier interface
2021-05-17 03:51:52	SuperSeriousCat	twitch.tv chat for instance
2021-05-17 03:52:05	sheep	does it really still use IRC as the backend?
2021-05-17 03:52:12	SuperSeriousCat	Ye
2021-05-17 03:52:21	sheep	I know it did several years ago
2021-05-17 03:52:26	bryan	it's a bit of their own irc taste I think, but it's built off that
2021-05-17 03:53:02	adamik	NyB, its true that you're not getting some suite upon switching to some minimalist wm, but it shouldn't take that long.
2021-05-17 03:53:15	bryan	there's nothing wrong with the IRC protocol itself, it's mostly just public perception and the lack of modern expected features like being able to receive offline messages
2021-05-17 03:54:24	sauvin	Like memoserv, maybe
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2021-05-17 03:54:36	sheep	the protocol itself is annoying to extend, doesn't support modern formatting or multimedia, and doesn't explicitly allow separating sessions from connections. That last point makes it especially annoying to use on mobile devices and makes it pretty much impossible to use a single account on mulyiplr devices concurrently without some hack like a bouncer
2021-05-17 03:54:42	paulcarroty	nothing wrong, but it's too old and nobody cares to modernize it
2021-05-17 03:54:46	sheep	plus a lot of people really want IRC to have persistent history
2021-05-17 03:54:54	bryan	for twitch you don't have to have special clients or something either, it's built into the service and sort of blended in
2021-05-17 03:55:02	bryan	well technically, the server does have that logged history
2021-05-17 03:55:10	sheep	not necessarily
2021-05-17 03:55:21	sheep	most ircds discard messages after they're sent
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2021-05-17 03:55:49	bryan	I can imagine that being by default turned off, but the option is available
2021-05-17 03:55:51	sheep	and the protocol doesn't specify a way for clients to request past history
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2021-05-17 03:56:01	hexnewbie	When I learn that a GUI util requires me to write my own configuration file or configure it through some other archaic means, it's a hard pass for me
2021-05-17 03:56:08	bryan	it doesn't work that much better on slack or discord though
2021-05-17 03:56:32	sheep	matrix seems like an interesting protocol, though it's a little overengineered
2021-05-17 03:56:38	bryan	I may just suck at searching but on discord when I try to moderate I can never seem to find what I'm looking for, or I have to scroll back manually anyway
2021-05-17 03:56:43	paulcarroty	I deleted all IRC clients some time ago and don't look back
2021-05-17 03:56:44	bryan	slack if you don't pay money just deletes the messages
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2021-05-17 03:56:56	bryan	I was pretty disappointed by matrix
2021-05-17 03:57:01	adamik	ha
2021-05-17 03:57:07	deavmi	matrix is so eh
2021-05-17 03:57:10	deavmi	irc doe is noiuce
2021-05-17 03:57:13	adamik	https://drewdevault.com/2019/07/01/Absence-of-features-in-IRC.html
2021-05-17 03:57:19	adamik	I was just reading that earlier.
2021-05-17 03:57:25	deavmi	>drewdevault
2021-05-17 03:57:28	adamik	Makes some pretty fair points.
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2021-05-17 03:57:34	sheep	it's held back by the fact that synapse doesn't scale up and dendrite doesn't have feature parity with synapse yet
2021-05-17 03:57:35	gry	bryan: you can host things like 'theloungechat' or 'convos.by' or 'quassel-irc (web)' or 'glowing bear' for your group, if they find it important to read offline msgs
2021-05-17 03:58:08	bryan	yea I tried the entire homeserver experience with their synapse example implementation
2021-05-17 03:58:11	paulcarroty	or just use matrix without hosting anything
2021-05-17 03:58:12	gry	bryan: and i think kiwiirc client also has option to stay connected when the user closes the browser tab, though i've not tested that personally
2021-05-17 03:58:15	bryan	it really loves to take up all the RAM you have
2021-05-17 03:58:18	gry	bryan: these are all irc clients, not matrix clients
2021-05-17 03:58:25	gry	bryan: so they don't take too much ram
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2021-05-17 03:58:33	sheep	synapse is python so it's not really light on resources
2021-05-17 03:58:45	bryan	maybe, never visited that server
2021-05-17 03:58:56	bryan	I also had an issue of receiving messages completely out of order
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2021-05-17 03:59:04	bryan	or I would be in one server having a conversation with some people
2021-05-17 03:59:08	bryan	look at the same chat the next day
2021-05-17 03:59:17	paulcarroty	my matrix client use around 100MB RAM right now
2021-05-17 03:59:19	bryan	and suddenly messages I didn't previously see started getting added everywhere inbetween
2021-05-17 03:59:25	sheep	everyone seems to have forgotten about xmpp
2021-05-17 03:59:26	paulcarroty	no reason to worry about
2021-05-17 03:59:40	paulcarroty	xmpp died 10 years ago
2021-05-17 03:59:42	sheep	the telegram client is taking up over 1 GB of RAM for me
2021-05-17 04:00:11	paulcarroty	heard telegram wiped from fedora and gentoo, shitload of bugs
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2021-05-17 04:00:24	bryan	I'm only using IRC anymore, I *have* to use teams for work, but I've managed to cut out slack and discord
2021-05-17 04:00:33	sheep	I think part of that was something about qt dependencies
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2021-05-17 04:01:04	paulcarroty	I use matrix, irc, slack and gitter channels, all from deskop app
2021-05-17 04:01:08	paulcarroty	kinda impressive
2021-05-17 04:01:18	adamik	why?
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2021-05-17 04:01:44	kuhilas[m]	`UserWarning: File <Su_signed.pdf> to write to is not in binary mode. It may not be written to correctly.` <- How do I change the pdf file to be in binary mode?
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2021-05-17 04:02:16	bryan	language?
2021-05-17 04:02:39	paulcarroty	unicode issue?
2021-05-17 04:03:23	kuhilas[m]	I use signpdf program to add image to a pdf and it outputs that when I run it. It works and all but after adding signature something is off because I can't edit text fields properly anymore. I mean I can edit them, but the text is not showing
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2021-05-17 04:03:27	kuhilas[m]	it's python2 module
2021-05-17 04:03:50	bryan	I think you need to add an argument to tell it to open the file in binary mode
2021-05-17 04:04:10	bryan	`open("filename", "rb")` or something
2021-05-17 04:04:15	hexnewbie	kuhilas[m]: Ask in #python how to open() works and how open in binary mode works?
2021-05-17 04:04:24	sheep	why not python 3?
2021-05-17 04:04:45	kuhilas[m]	hexnewbie: You mean I should start editing the code of this program?
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2021-05-17 04:04:56	hexnewbie	Python 2 is obsolete, though in it there's no practical difference between text and binary mode on POSIX. That is, your PDF got its forms corrupted by the module, not by the text mode
2021-05-17 04:05:05	kuhilas[m]	sheep: it doesn't work in python3, I tried that first
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2021-05-17 04:05:30	hexnewbie	kuhilas[m]: Your mention of a python2 module implied it's your own program, that uses someone's module
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2021-05-17 04:06:04	kuhilas[m]	there are many tools to add images to pdf's but what I read comments, many don't work or they transform pdf to image and lose text field editing capability etc
2021-05-17 04:06:35	kuhilas[m]	ah, ok. I just pip installed that signpdf and then it created the signpdf
2021-05-17 04:06:42	kuhilas[m]	binary
2021-05-17 04:07:09	hexnewbie	Sounds about right, with the all you ‘cannot edit PDF’ stuff. Adding images can theoretically be done without damage, as an exception, doesn't mean the tools that do that will.
2021-05-17 04:07:30	bryan	pdf is evil
2021-05-17 04:07:46	paulcarroty	you can edit non-drm pdf
2021-05-17 04:08:47	kuhilas[m]	I am gonna order something from somewhere by e-mailing a pdf, maybe they don't care that I lose the text field editing capability, as long as they can parse the text, but it would be nice to have a tool that actually worked fully if need one later
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2021-05-17 04:13:25	bryan	I've never been on a project, worked with PDFs, and thought that it felt rewarding and worthwhile
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2021-05-17 04:16:25	Botyuba	How did you master systemd?
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2021-05-17 04:30:38	NyB	Botyuba: lots of assumptions in that question :-p
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2021-05-17 04:30:51	 *	NyB thinks systemd is an untameable monster...
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2021-05-17 04:31:39	bubblegum	^^
2021-05-17 04:31:42	sheep	not really
2021-05-17 04:31:42	iflema	self supporting
2021-05-17 04:32:04	sheep	most of the time you don't even notice that systemd is there
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2021-05-17 04:32:34	DPA	I just switched to devuan & openrc, problem solved...
2021-05-17 04:32:41	NyB	sheep: except for when you do :-)
2021-05-17 04:32:42	iflema	maybe 12 years ago
2021-05-17 04:32:51	sheep	openrc's lack of proper service supervision is annoying
2021-05-17 04:33:04	sheep	and using openrc's s6 integration for that is a pain
2021-05-17 04:33:10	usr123	I want to delete all lines that start with 'log'. I tried the following but it doesn't work: sed -i '/^log/d' foo.go
2021-05-17 04:33:10	tarelerulz	I'm not new to this but still stuff to learn.   Is normal the DD does not up its progress? I find from distro to distro  some versions of DD do this and some don't  could I be missing something maybe the way I do does not work the best  I do the normal  dd if=/iso  if=/dev/sd bs=1M status=progress.  is there a better way ? maybe its not
2021-05-17 04:33:11	tarelerulz	built into all versions of DD
2021-05-17 04:33:12	bubblegum	DPA you do the best, maybe i want to change it to
2021-05-17 04:33:40	iflema	DPA: you just debian and pinch the elogind
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2021-05-17 04:33:44	sheep	usr123: do you also want to remove lines that have space before "log"?
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2021-05-17 04:33:49	usr123	Yes
2021-05-17 04:33:57	usr123	sheep: I mean they're indented
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2021-05-17 04:34:10	iflema	pin and pinch
2021-05-17 04:34:16	sheep	usr123: try '/^\s+log/d'
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2021-05-17 04:34:50	freemint	I had a repair guy swap my mainboard (Lenovo L380 Yoga) and now my Linux doesn't boot anymore (it did when he was around). Probably some messed up BIOS/UEFI stuff. Does anyone have ideas what to try before flashing an live usb stick?
2021-05-17 04:35:32	NyB	freemint: "doesn't boot" is not very useful. More details would help people help you...
2021-05-17 04:35:44	usr123	Doesn't work
2021-05-17 04:35:50	usr123	sheep: ^
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2021-05-17 04:36:08	sheep	I forget what the syntax is in sed's expressions for matching multiple spaces
2021-05-17 04:36:17	sheep	try \s* instead of \s+
2021-05-17 04:37:03	iflema	they even have thier own
2021-05-17 04:37:19	usr123	sheep: Well I did it with sed -i '/log\.Print/d' foo.go
2021-05-17 04:37:23	freemint	I'm thrown into some boot menu where i can select Fedora or Network boot and if i select either one i cycle back to that menu after a second.
2021-05-17 04:37:25	usr123	Thanks anyways :)
2021-05-17 04:37:43	freemint	The boot menu is provided by the laptop and not grub
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2021-05-17 04:38:18	sheep	check the contents of your EFI System partition
2021-05-17 04:38:29	DPA	iflema: I need a stable / future proof solution. With devuan, there are people concerned with keeping things working, whereas on debian, there are mainly people concerned with dropping anything nonsystemd / not maintaining anything.
2021-05-17 04:38:29	DPA	Even devuan isn't perfect though. Elogind is technically a lobotomized systemd fork with limited future maintainability, and it's already basically impossible to avoid it, despite there being better alternatives such as seatd...
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2021-05-17 04:39:20	freemint	sheep, suggestions how i can do that without flashing a boot stick or what image to choose for this purpose?
2021-05-17 04:39:47	NyB	freemint: first check any EFI boot options in the BIOS
2021-05-17 04:39:52	sheep	is there an OS that can boot on this? If not, is there an option in your BIOS setup to inspect the contents of the EFI Systerm partition or add custom boot entries?
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2021-05-17 04:41:05	freemint	NyB, What am i supposed to check there?
2021-05-17 04:41:50	freemint	There is an option called Fedora but if i select it i cycle back to the menu.
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2021-05-17 04:42:12	marlun	I've moved from MacOS to Linux and I felt that the font rendering os Iosevka was too thin, so I've changed so that the terminal uses the bold font by default but now when bold is used I can't see any difference, Is it possible using font config files to tell it to use the heavy weight for bold now? :)
2021-05-17 04:42:12	sheep	that sounds like maybe the EFI System partition got wiped
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2021-05-17 04:42:26	sheep	in which case the only way to fix it will be to boot linux from an ISO or something
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2021-05-17 04:42:36	lopid	 \+
2021-05-17 04:43:09	niflce	are u on way of either grub or bios efi directly, also check presence of booting files after changing it,
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2021-05-17 04:44:20	angular_mike	is there a way to fix this, my statusbar keeps lagging byl ike 10 minutes and im seeing a bunch of conky processes instead of just one `(conky -c /home/guser/.conkyrc_statusbar | while read LINE; do xsetroot -name "$LINE"; sleep 1; done) &`
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2021-05-17 04:44:44	niflce	aint sure of how a mention with @ be highlighting via erc command
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2021-05-17 04:45:06	sheep	niflce: highlighting in most clients is just triggered by seeing your nick in a message
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2021-05-17 04:46:10	niflce	sheep: you re not highlighting, how to get this
2021-05-17 04:46:21	sheep	niflce: I see it highlighted in my client
2021-05-17 04:46:34	deniska	marlun: https://github.com/be5invis/Iosevka I see this font is available in multiple weights
2021-05-17 04:46:36	sheep	niflce: I'm not familiar with erc's settings, but it probably has a way to do this
2021-05-17 04:46:40	niflce	sheep: oh see.
2021-05-17 04:47:03	kubast2	Anyone knows how to use hugepages? Other than putting nr of hugepages into a /sys interface and having a cpu with support for 1GiB and 2MiB
2021-05-17 04:47:12	kubast2	what are the prequities to actually enabling hugepages
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2021-05-17 04:47:29	kubast2	or rather how do I get to know why they failed to get allocated
2021-05-17 04:47:31	niflce	it seems which effect is visible to u, but me
2021-05-17 04:47:43	sheep	yes
2021-05-17 04:48:00	kubast2	the hugepages allocation with writting values into nr_hugepages silently fails
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2021-05-17 04:48:08	kubast2	no dmesg errors
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2021-05-17 04:48:29	kubast2	nothing gets printed by echo like is the case with other sys interfaces
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2021-05-17 04:53:58	marlun	deniska: yes, thats how I could use the "Iosevka Fixed SemiBold" as the default font.
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2021-05-17 04:54:54	marlun	deniska: the problem is that the font in the terminal which is bold now doesn't look very bold, so I would like to tell the terminal to use "Iosevka Fixed Heavy" for bold :)
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2021-05-17 04:55:35	freemint	Can you recommend a live usb image?
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2021-05-17 04:59:05	omero	|2021-05-17+09:41:21|       NyB)) bryan: screen & emacs - let the flames start :-p <<< lol
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2021-05-17 04:59:23	freemint	Also do i need the same version of grub/linuxkernel on the stick as the OS i use?
2021-05-17 04:59:24	omero	missed that one, NyB :P
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2021-05-17 05:03:09	jim	grub should be relatively self-contained, so the version shouldn't matter as long as it boots
2021-05-17 05:04:07	jim	as far as the kernel, that kinda depends on your purpose
2021-05-17 05:04:11	omero	it might still depend on BIOS
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2021-05-17 05:04:52	omero	but in general... it should not be (as long as it boots)
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2021-05-17 05:11:33	Botyuba	I want to mount my remote hdd using a new systemd based service file using the unit service isntall system, for this to work i need to include After= "my lan is connected"
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2021-05-17 05:12:08	Botyuba	how do i properly find out what i need to put there for this service to launch after i connected my lan?
2021-05-17 05:12:15	Botyuba	is it network.target?
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2021-05-17 05:14:43	freemint	Does this tutorial look like the steps i need to perform? https://askubuntu.com/a/88432
2021-05-17 05:15:10	freemint	How do i need to change it if i have LUKS(?) disk encryption
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2021-05-17 05:16:36	niflce	prefer to official wiki
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2021-05-17 05:42:57	simoneb_	I have an LVM device not showing up anymore with the usual tools (lvdisplay, etc). The device seems fine otherwise (but I need to configure it so I really want to check it with LVM tools...). Any ideas on what could have gone wrong? This happened after I resized the partition with parted
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2021-05-17 05:54:50	DLange	simoneb_: LVM expects to find meta-data within the first four sectors of a physical volume (PV), that may not be correct anymore when you change partitions
2021-05-17 05:55:29	simoneb_	how do I fix this?
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2021-05-17 05:55:54	DLange	delete everything and start over, restore what you need from backup
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2021-05-17 05:57:49	node1	Do any USB3 to HDMI display adaptor works with Linux?
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2021-05-17 06:01:05	hexnewbie	USB-C DisplayPort to HDMI might
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2021-05-17 06:02:22	jjakob	simoneb_: it might be recoverable if you put the partition back as it was
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2021-05-17 06:02:35	jjakob	if you didn't modify the data inside the partition (or parted)
2021-05-17 06:02:50	sheep	does the partition still start at the same point that it did before?
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2021-05-17 06:03:37	simoneb_	yeah it should still be there. I just enlarged the size of the virtual disk. Then parted proposed me to "fix" the partition size
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2021-05-17 06:04:46	simoneb_	in other words I also have no idea of what was moved where
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2021-05-17 06:06:35	jjakob	wait you did what?
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2021-05-17 06:06:52	jjakob	what did you do and in what order
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2021-05-17 06:07:37	jjakob	you could probably find the sector that the PV started at by searching for its magic number
2021-05-17 06:08:22	simoneb_	resized the virtual disk device to add a 20GBs, then ran `parted -l`, where parted asked something along the lines of " Warning: Not all of the space available to /dev/vda appears to be used, you can fix the GPT to use all of the space (an extra 20971520 blocks) or continue with the current setting?  Fix/Ignore?" which I answered Fix
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2021-05-17 06:10:15	SkunkyLaptop	and this is why we don't like parted
2021-05-17 06:10:23	DPA	node1: No. I do have a "working" USB2 DisplayLink -> DVI device. It only works with a short enough cable, and I have to override the EDID, but that works.
2021-05-17 06:10:24	DPA	Also, all display link devices are only 16bit I think, linux doesn't support more yet. Not sure about USB3, but I don't think those are supported yet at all.
2021-05-17 06:10:24	DPA	The #dri-devel channel and the dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org mailing list people probably know more about this than I do.
2021-05-17 06:10:24	DPA	Regarding USB-C, for those, look out for DisplayPort Alternate Mode. There is also HDMI Alternate Mode and stuff over Thunderbold etc., but the DP one is what most things use. Linux usually supports it, if the HW does.
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2021-05-17 06:11:40	Botyuba	hi i am writing a systemd service to mount all my network shares, how do i translate mount -a into the apropriate syntax for [Mount]
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2021-05-17 06:12:01	node1	Okay thanks, but i have one HDMI port with USB 3.0 port.
2021-05-17 06:12:42	node1	1  USB 3.0 port. And i would like to setup two external monitor with it.
2021-05-17 06:12:45	SuperSeriousCat	1 service per share Botyuba
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2021-05-17 06:14:27	node1	DPA, I have just purchase this one https://www.flipkart.com/microware-usb-3-0-hdmi-graphic-adapter-converter-hdtv-lcd-pc-laptop-audio-video-0-03-m-cable/p/itmff925mnbmeguy?pid=ACCFF7JZNYK5TCNK&lid=LSTACCFF7JZNYK5TCNKT9GIWM
2021-05-17 06:14:45	node1	Hope it's compatible with Linux.
2021-05-17 06:15:18	hexnewbie	I'd say the chance of that is about 7%.
2021-05-17 06:15:47	akik	it is compatible with white
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2021-05-17 06:16:19	hexnewbie	Not really, my retro computers are all a different brand of white.
2021-05-17 06:17:13	node1	hexnewbie, ? it was for me ?
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2021-05-17 06:18:34	hexnewbie	node1: Well, given that the kernel only seems to support DisplayLink (did a superficial konsole grep, since it's not for me, whoever needs one should do a more thorough research), the chance that a device without a brand will work is... well, probably less than 7%
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2021-05-17 06:19:11	node1	DisplayLink do not ship here in india,
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2021-05-17 06:20:37	paulcarroty	ebay
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2021-05-17 06:22:27	DPA	I think most such deviced tend to use the DisplayLink protocol, even ones not from them. But even if you manage to get it working, it probably won't work very well.
2021-05-17 06:22:51	jjakob	simoneb_: dow did you resize the "virtual disk device"?
2021-05-17 06:22:58	jjakob	that is not something that exists
2021-05-17 06:23:09	jjakob	you have PV, VG and LV
2021-05-17 06:23:14	node1	so switch to windows?
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2021-05-17 06:24:03	jjakob	also I have no idea what vda is, nor what parted does when you say yes to that question
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2021-05-17 06:25:05	jjakob	if you only had one partition, enlarged the VM disk, then went to resize vda1 to fit the new disk size, that shouldn't have erased anything if you kept the first sector of vda1 the same
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2021-05-17 06:25:27	jjakob	unless parted did something... again I have no idea as I don't use parted
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2021-05-17 06:27:24	jjakob	you should have 1) resized the partition by keeping the starting sector the same 2) pvresize /dev/vda1
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2021-05-17 06:30:03	simoneb_	jjakob: from VMware
2021-05-17 06:30:17	jjakob	oh okay, of the VM
2021-05-17 06:30:23	jjakob	that's step 1
2021-05-17 06:30:47	jjakob	what does fdisk -l /dev/vda show?
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2021-05-17 06:32:11	Guest20	Hi there a basic question
2021-05-17 06:32:17	Guest20	i created a ext4 filesystem
2021-05-17 06:32:19	simoneb_	jjakob: https://paste.linux.community/view/1ac3d45a actually my device is /dev/sda, I've lost the original output of parted
2021-05-17 06:32:23	Guest20	i would want to delete that
2021-05-17 06:32:31	Guest20	how can i delete the type of filesystem
2021-05-17 06:32:42	Guest20	i tried using wipefs, but that didnt really work
2021-05-17 06:33:00	Guest20	i can still see it uses ext4 if i use file -s /dev/<somedevice> command
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2021-05-17 06:33:22	SuperSeriousCat	Why do you want to delete it?
2021-05-17 06:33:48	rouji	dd from /dev/zero to the partition?
2021-05-17 06:33:54	jjakob	simoneb_: okay so there are 3 partitions, what does blkid /dev/sda3 show
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2021-05-17 06:34:20	simoneb_	the following: /dev/sda3: PTUUID="1fbb007e" PTTYPE="dos" PARTUUID="8937e2b2-4e9f-4261-8b84-0060dd5494ed"
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2021-05-17 06:35:04	jjakob	so blkid doesn't find a filesystem in it
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2021-05-17 06:35:38	jjakob	what about sda2?
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2021-05-17 06:35:44	IIIFE	Is it true that /etc/skel will be the most reliable way to change the defaults for all new users?
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2021-05-17 06:36:08	simoneb_	ext4 I would say /dev/sda2: UUID="a7e38f86-5f5f-41dc-9053-c2aac2815ff2" TYPE="ext4" PARTUUID="41a98264-5d70-434e-8c9c-9fe16685d9a9"
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2021-05-17 06:37:20	Guest20	SuperSeriousCat i want to make sure docker creates aufs filesystem
2021-05-17 06:37:27	jjakob	sda2 is probably /boot
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2021-05-17 06:37:37	Guest20	rouji /dev/zero will delete the filesystem?
2021-05-17 06:37:49	jjakob	you can mount it and see what's in it, it should have some kernels and a grub directory
2021-05-17 06:37:53	rouji	/dev/zero outputs zeroes
2021-05-17 06:38:06	rouji	if you write that over a partition, you've just zeroed the partition
2021-05-17 06:38:11	rouji	-> data gone
2021-05-17 06:38:18	jjakob	are you sure it was LVM?
2021-05-17 06:38:30	Guest20	rouji what would be the command?
2021-05-17 06:38:33	simoneb_	jjakob: yup, sda2 is mounted on /boot as confirmed by mount: /dev/sda2 on /boot type ext4 (rw,relatime)
2021-05-17 06:39:05	Guest20	it says sudo: /dev/zero: command not found
2021-05-17 06:39:12	rouji	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/yourpartitionhere
2021-05-17 06:39:12	simoneb_	jjakob: I think so? I used lvextend last time to add more GBs to the LV
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2021-05-17 06:39:34	Guest20	rouji what is the use of dd command
2021-05-17 06:39:34	rouji	Guest20: it's a device, hence in /dev/
2021-05-17 06:39:39	Guest20	sure
2021-05-17 06:39:41	rouji	man dd
2021-05-17 06:40:20	simoneb_	jjakob: my root device is /dev/ubuntu-vg/ubuntu-lv ... which seems to confirm that it's a LV in a VG
2021-05-17 06:40:25	hexnewbie	Guest20: dd copies a file, the contents of it, from the file specified in if= to the file specified in of=
2021-05-17 06:40:32	Guest20	ok
2021-05-17 06:40:35	SuperSeriousCat	Guest20, pretty sure Docker dont create filesystems, but it do have drivers who add certain filesystem specific things. So if you want to use AUFS with Docker, you got to create the filesystem yourself, then Point Docker to it
2021-05-17 06:40:51	Guest20	SuperSeriousCat i want to use devicemapper
2021-05-17 06:41:13	Guest20	i have created a partition, and configured the settings in /etc/docker/daemon.json
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2021-05-17 06:41:21	Guest20	somehow docker is not starting..
2021-05-17 06:41:37	Guest20	so i m thnking the ext4 filesystem which i created would be the problem
2021-05-17 06:41:46	Guest20	rouji the command runs forever
2021-05-17 06:41:51	Guest20	is there any way to make it faster
2021-05-17 06:41:57	Guest20	the device is of 100 gigs
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2021-05-17 06:42:19	me-sudoer-dentne	guys i have 2 quick questions
2021-05-17 06:42:37	rouji	Guest20: it takes exactly as long as it takes your drive to write that much data
2021-05-17 06:42:38	me-sudoer-dentne	1.should i allow tor-sock5 in ufw
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2021-05-17 06:43:12	me-sudoer-dentne	2. to connect to irc do i have to allow port 6697?
2021-05-17 06:43:39	jjakob	simoneb_: it would be nice if we could see what the old partition layout looked
2021-05-17 06:43:47	jjakob	if you have a backup of the vm disk somewhere
2021-05-17 06:43:56	jjakob	you don't need to restore it just look at the partitions
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2021-05-17 06:44:14	rouji	you can just run mkfs on the partition though, even without zeroing it
2021-05-17 06:44:25	rouji	not that I think the fs is somehow at fault for docker nonsense
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2021-05-17 06:44:55	me-sudoer-dentne	hey is anyone there who has used ufw here?
2021-05-17 06:45:07	jjakob	if that matches the old partition layout, we have a bigger problem, restoring a lvm pv from backup metadata technically is possible but I've never done it
2021-05-17 06:45:28	IIIFE	I don't see the point of ufw when it's just a frontend for iptables.
2021-05-17 06:45:51	jjakob	you would use the backup to get the metadata (hopefully you haven't changed any LV sizes since the backup) and then use it to recreate the VG on the corrupted partition
2021-05-17 06:45:52	me-sudoer-dentne	IIIFE: well i am a noob at setting up iptables
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2021-05-17 06:46:26	me-sudoer-dentne	but just tell me this do i need to allow tor-socks in ufw?
2021-05-17 06:46:41	rouji	iptables can be fiddly, frontends like that do have a use
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2021-05-17 06:46:46	jjakob	if you don't have a backup you can try searching the disk for lvm PV but again I've never done it
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2021-05-17 06:47:50	me-sudoer-dentne	rouji: please help me with this ..... do i need to allow tor-socks ?
2021-05-17 06:48:16	rouji	I use neither ufw nor tor-socks
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2021-05-17 06:48:52	rouji	the latter sounds like a client, so I don't think you'd need to
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2021-05-17 06:50:49	Sunny93	Hey, guys, I am reading an architecture book and somewhere it says "Here we discuss an important aspect of styles, the top-level partitioning in an architecture." .
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2021-05-17 06:51:09	simoneb_	jjakob: actually it was the same
2021-05-17 06:51:16	me-sudoer-dentne	rouji: so not even port 6697 for irc
2021-05-17 06:51:16	Sunny93	What is "top-level partitioning" mentioned here?
2021-05-17 06:51:38	simoneb_	jjakob: the partition layout looks identical, even the FS seems working perfectly (I haven't tried rebooting)
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2021-05-17 06:51:54	rouji	me-sudoer-dentne: unless ufw blocks outgoing stuff by default, you don't need to do anything
2021-05-17 06:52:08	jjakob	simoneb_: wait you haven't rebooted? definitely don't reboot yet
2021-05-17 06:52:20	simoneb_	...yeah
2021-05-17 06:52:26	jjakob	try to save the active lvm medatata
2021-05-17 06:52:30	me-sudoer-dentne	rouji: oh great because i have set it to allow outgoing
2021-05-17 06:52:39	me-sudoer-dentne	rouji: thanks
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2021-05-17 06:53:31	Sunny93	An excerpt of the book:   https://zncreallysucks.site/uploads/0e138c5ad29c6c62/learning.oreilly.com_library_view_fundamentals-of-software_9781492043447_ch08.png
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2021-05-17 06:53:47	jjakob	do pvs, vgs, lvs all show good?
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2021-05-17 06:54:35	simoneb_	they don't show anything
2021-05-17 06:54:49	jjakob	if you run as root
2021-05-17 06:54:57	simoneb_	as root, yes
2021-05-17 06:55:18	jjakob	that's worrying
2021-05-17 06:55:53	jjakob	copy off /etc/lvm out of the VM somewhere else
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2021-05-17 06:56:46	jjakob	the metadata backups are there
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2021-05-17 06:58:06	jjakob	open /etc/lvm/backup/ubuntu-vg in a text editor
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2021-05-17 06:58:32	jjakob	and look at the PV section pv0 pe_start and pe_count
2021-05-17 06:58:41	jjakob	and dev_size
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2021-05-17 06:58:54	simoneb_	hmm, I do have that file and it sure looks like how it should be configured
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2021-05-17 06:59:44	simoneb_	https://paste.linux.community/view/e9b7664e can't I just copy this file to another location?
2021-05-17 07:00:09	jjakob	try vgcfgrestore -f /etc/lvm/backup/ubuntu-vg ubuntu-vg
2021-05-17 07:00:34	jjakob	or omit -f /etc/lvm/... it does the same
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2021-05-17 07:00:50	simoneb_	seems the device UUID has changed
2021-05-17 07:00:56	jjakob	best to specify it
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2021-05-17 07:01:18	jjakob	what does it say?
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2021-05-17 07:01:59	jjakob	the uuid that blkid says for sda3 should match the id in pv0
2021-05-17 07:02:13	simoneb_	https://paste.linux.community/view/3abbfa0b I'm trying to change that UUID with the one from blkid
2021-05-17 07:02:35	simoneb_	they seem in a different format though
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2021-05-17 07:04:48	jjakob	try vgcreate --restorefile /etc/lvm/backup/ubuntu-vg --uuid (the uuid from the backup file) --zero n /dev/sda3
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2021-05-17 07:10:02	jjakob	also ise fdisk to change sda3's type to 8e
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2021-05-17 07:10:31	jjakob	or whatever id linux lvm translates to in GPT
2021-05-17 07:10:34	simoneb_	vgcreate: unrecognized option '--restorefile'
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2021-05-17 07:10:45	jjakob	oh sorry,pvcreate
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2021-05-17 07:11:04	simoneb_	and UUID should be the one from blkid?
2021-05-17 07:11:16	simoneb_	ah, no, from the old vg file
2021-05-17 07:11:41	davros	(fixed my issue from yesterday.. happily booting from that ssd)
2021-05-17 07:11:54	jjakob	simoneb_: from the backup metadata file
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2021-05-17 07:29:51	metbsd	how do i change display overall size in gnome like windows
2021-05-17 07:30:16	akik	metbsd: buy a new display
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2021-05-17 07:31:09	metbsd	like windows 10 there's an option to "change the size of text, apps, and other items."
2021-05-17 07:31:21	metbsd	is there such thing in gnome or kde or whatever
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2021-05-17 07:31:49	akik	metbsd: oh ok, in plasma you can set the dpi in a xinitrc.d script while starting xorg so the elements are scaled smaller
2021-05-17 07:32:41	metbsd	what does dpi mean
2021-05-17 07:32:51	metbsd	anyway i just want to simply enlarge everything
2021-05-17 07:33:00	metbsd	is there a gui app to do it for me
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2021-05-17 07:35:13	akik	metbsd: looks like it doesn't work any more. dpi is dots per inch. it doesn't actually have a direct meaning with displays as the pixels are one size only
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2021-05-17 07:36:16	metbsd	too bad
2021-05-17 07:36:45	akik	metbsd: i can try changing the dpi with xorg config
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2021-05-17 07:37:19	metbsd	you mean wayland?
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2021-05-17 07:38:29	akik	metbsd: no, i said xorg
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2021-05-17 07:44:39	otisolsen70	What options do I have for shared file systems with encrypted data in transit? Can I, for example enable TLS or similar encryption mechanisms on NFS, Samba or other network file systems?
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2021-05-17 07:46:26	otisolsen70	Does using NFSv4 with Kerberos give me encrypted data in transit? Or only authentication?
2021-05-17 07:47:03	akik	metbsd: looks like changing the dpi has been disabled for good with xorg (fedora 33, plasma 5)
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2021-05-17 07:47:56	peetaur	otisolsen70: use a VPN
2021-05-17 07:48:50	otisolsen70	peetaur, this is on a LAN. But you still recommend using a VPN for this?
2021-05-17 07:49:34	otisolsen70	peetaur, what performance penalty does using a VPN an a local switched network incur?
2021-05-17 07:50:45	DPA	You could also use SSH tunnels. Or wrap the stuff in TLS using things like stunnel.
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2021-05-17 07:51:29	peetaur	otisolsen70: if the cpu has AES and whatever, it is insignificant CPU penalty...not sure about io performance (like latency)
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2021-05-17 07:51:47	FloridaMan	Anything that adds another layer will likely add some penalties but it all depends
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2021-05-17 07:52:10	FloridaMan	There are too many factors for a straight answer probably
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2021-05-17 07:52:26	peetaur	when encryption has high overhead, it's because of missing CPU instructions, or you're looking at the center of it..like if your vpn server has 500 users, the users will say it's insignificant, and the server sees heavy load
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2021-05-17 07:52:29	otisolsen70	peetaur, I am mostly concerned about latency and io throughput.
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2021-05-17 07:53:14	FloridaMan	You could always benchmark that fairly easily
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2021-05-17 07:53:43	otisolsen70	FloridaMan, yeah I dont really have a lab env to test it in
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2021-05-17 07:53:48	peetaur	finding a test that shows a real world result is hard, but running whatever test you think of is easy
2021-05-17 07:54:17	FloridaMan	True
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2021-05-17 07:54:50	FloridaMan	At least you can get a baseline on one condition and then benchmark it
2021-05-17 07:55:04	FloridaMan	Not like that's going to give you "real world" anything though
2021-05-17 07:55:16	FloridaMan	But it may give you an idea of the effect
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2021-05-17 07:55:40	otisolsen70	Are there no network file system with  encryption built in?
2021-05-17 07:55:55	otisolsen70	I am thinking about FUSE-SSFHS. That might be an option...
2021-05-17 07:56:17	akik	otisolsen70: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/hardening-gluster-installations-tls
2021-05-17 07:57:21	queip	with ogv file, how to trim its end, that is create new file or change the file to end at given frame number or given time?
2021-05-17 07:57:53	otisolsen70	akik, thanks!
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2021-05-17 08:00:51	otisolsen70	What about CIFS? Shouldnt it be able to support encrypotion?
2021-05-17 08:01:04	akik	otisolsen70: yes
2021-05-17 08:02:10	otisolsen70	OK. Maybe that is an option.
2021-05-17 08:02:29	otisolsen70	Using kerberos with NFSv4. Does that only provide authentication? Or does that encrypt the actual data transfers in any way?
2021-05-17 08:02:47	msiism	queip: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora#Editing
2021-05-17 08:03:37	akik	otisolsen70: smbstatus reports this for my current cifs mount "SMB3_00           -                    partial(HMAC-SHA256)"
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2021-05-17 08:03:51	otisolsen70	akik, what does partial mean?
2021-05-17 08:03:58	akik	otisolsen70: absolutely no idea
2021-05-17 08:04:55	otisolsen70	akik, ok
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2021-05-17 08:29:03	BluesKaj	Hi folks
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2021-05-17 08:35:14	mattallmill	Morning, BluesKaj!
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2021-05-17 08:39:52	caterfxo	brain fart. can there be negative exit codes?
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2021-05-17 08:40:13	caterfxo	nvm, I'll ask google.
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2021-05-17 08:40:32	simoneb_	no, it's a common mistake. they're converted to unsigned after the process terminates.
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2021-05-17 08:41:14	simoneb_	also, your process will have a return code which might be undistinguishable from a process error (such as process dead after kill)
2021-05-17 08:42:14	simoneb_	if your process exits with "-120" it will have the exact same return code as a process killed with kill -9
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2021-05-17 08:42:55	caterfxo	oh, okay, cool, tx
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2021-05-17 08:46:59	rascul	simoneb_ you appear to be off by one
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2021-05-17 08:47:25	rascul	i exit with -120 and i get 136, i kill -9 and i get 137
2021-05-17 08:48:02	simoneb_	wops. should be -121 then?
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2021-05-17 08:48:26	rascul	-119
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2021-05-17 08:49:09	simoneb_	that was from an article I wrote years ago and nobody noticed
2021-05-17 08:49:34	caterfxo	journalistic zero day
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2021-05-17 08:50:19	ch1pp0	hiya, I need to add a new volume to a machine for a specific purpose. Best would be to mount it only for a specific folder but the problem is that that folder already has some data in it. The machine was set up without logical volumes. How would I go about doing that? Preferrably I'd want all the data in that folder to be moved to the new volume as well.
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2021-05-17 08:51:40	akik	ch1pp0: which directory?
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2021-05-17 08:51:49	peetaur	ch1pp0: just mount it somewhere else and rsync before you replace the original  (rsync it (slow), make it read only, rsync again (fast), remount so new replaces old mountpoint)
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2021-05-17 08:53:10	akik	silence is deafening
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2021-05-17 08:57:38	akik	i guess they found the solution somewhere else
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2021-05-17 09:00:30	msiism	Maybe it's a good idea to wait, like, for an hour before answering any question asked here.
2021-05-17 09:01:06	msiism	I mean, if people still stick around after than, there's a good change they really are looking for an answer from this channel.
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2021-05-17 09:01:07	msiism	s/than/that
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2021-05-17 09:03:19	msiism	s/change/chance
2021-05-17 09:03:35	 *	msiism is slow to correct his own mistakes.
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2021-05-17 09:05:54	isomari	greeetings, is it possoble to hide the mouse cursor when I'm typing? Especially in my browser search box.
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2021-05-17 09:09:12	msiism	isomari: Do you mean the URL bar?
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2021-05-17 09:09:33	rascul	unclutter
2021-05-17 09:09:38	isomari	no, I mean anywhere on my desktop.
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2021-05-17 09:09:50	ch1pp0	akik: sorry, have to put in some notifications for my client. It's a directory for the gitlab container registry. peetaur: alright, that sounds like a good way to do it.
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2021-05-17 09:10:20	isomari	rascul: thanks, I was just looking at that.
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2021-05-17 09:11:18	caterfxo	isomari: possibly that's a setting specific among DE's / WM's.....
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2021-05-17 09:12:10	isomari	actualy, it does disappear normally I see. But specifically, irf Iclick in search in my browser and start typing, yher damn cursor is always in the way until I move it.
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2021-05-17 09:13:09	rascul	isomari also check xbanish
2021-05-17 09:13:17	adamik	isomari: you might want to try unclutter
2021-05-17 09:13:25	adamik	I use that to time out the mouse cursor
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2021-05-17 09:13:28	adamik	or xbanish
2021-05-17 09:13:40	isomari	rascul: adamik thanks
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2021-05-17 09:14:56	msiism	That's a reasonable feature, actually. Should probably be part of any reasonable desktop environment.
2021-05-17 09:15:01	 *	msiism makes a note.
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2021-05-17 09:30:42	random_programme	Hi, I have installed an RT (Real Time) Linux patch on my ubuntu VM. But I am unable to access the newly created RT linux kernel. On trying to open it, the screen goes blank and hangs. How can I uninstall this RT linux kernel so that I can try with a different version? I tried using Linux-purge (https://launchpad.net/linux-purge) but that's not
2021-05-17 09:30:42	random_programme	listing this faulty kernel for removal. Is there any other way of uninstalling this kernel?
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2021-05-17 09:32:53	msiism	random_programme: This really depends on how you installed it.
2021-05-17 09:33:23	random_programme	msiism I followed the steps listed here- https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51669724/install-rt-linux-patch-for-ubuntu
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2021-05-17 09:38:40	ayecee	well that's bad
2021-05-17 09:39:20	ayecee	can you boot the system with the previous kernel? there should be an entry in the grub boot menu for that
2021-05-17 09:39:28	hexnewbie	random_programme: You installed it manually, which means you need to remove it even more manually
2021-05-17 09:40:02	 *	msiism once used both hands to uninstall a kernel.
2021-05-17 09:40:22	ayecee	putting the manos in manual
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2021-05-17 09:41:56	bernard__	mysoginistic term manual
2021-05-17 09:41:57	random_programme	@ayecee I am able to boot into a previous kernel without any RT patch applied on it
2021-05-17 09:42:16	ayecee	misogynistic
2021-05-17 09:42:26	bernard__	oopsie
2021-05-17 09:42:35	swensson	Is it possible to program into bashrc that:  if two buttons pressed, do "this"?
2021-05-17 09:42:48	bernard__	mouse buttons?
2021-05-17 09:42:49	msiism	swensson: What are you trying to do?
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2021-05-17 09:43:18	hexnewbie	random_programme: make modules_install creates a directory in /lib/modules/, and make install creates 3-4 files in /boot
2021-05-17 09:43:35	hexnewbie	and then calls update-grub on Ubuntu/Debian
2021-05-17 09:43:54	swensson	msiism, I want a certain text entered in the textfield on a website... I do this like 1000 times a day so it would be great if it could be automated...
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2021-05-17 09:44:02	ayecee	random_programme: looks like it's summarized here: https://askubuntu.com/a/594484
2021-05-17 09:44:11	bernard__	 swensson are you using firefox?
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2021-05-17 09:44:38	swensson	bernard__  both that and chrome..
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2021-05-17 09:44:43	msiism	swensson: I doubt that ~/.bashrc is the right place to address this problem.
2021-05-17 09:44:53	bernard__	swensson: use autofill extension
2021-05-17 09:44:58	ayecee	yeah not sure how bash came into this
2021-05-17 09:45:10	msiism	swensson: Maybe your browser can remember data entered into forms, possibly on a per-site basis.
2021-05-17 09:45:12	random_programme	hexnewbie Yes, I am able to see the corresponding files created in /lib/modules and /boot directories
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2021-05-17 09:45:46	random_programme	ayecee Thanks! let me check it out.
2021-05-17 09:45:59	swensson	msiism, it can.. But the value changes, so I want a simple button combo for all the different possibilities :)  Maybe could try to do this with python instead thhen
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2021-05-17 09:46:54	ayecee	oooh, or you could use rust
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2021-05-17 09:47:45	msiism	swensson: I wonder what the cause of this problem might be in the first place. Like, if you enter slightly chaning data into a Web form a thousand times a day, that might not be the right tool for the job…
2021-05-17 09:47:49	ayecee	but i don't think changing the language helps if you don't really have a grasp on the problem
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2021-05-17 09:47:58	adamik	how many different values are there?
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2021-05-17 09:48:50	swensson	msiism, small company that just added more and more platforms without SSO... It's almost 20 different, so I were thinking binding Shift (and alt) for 0-9 on the numpad =)
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2021-05-17 09:51:20	msiism	What is SSO?
2021-05-17 09:51:32	ayecee	single sign on. he's saying he has a bunch of passwords.
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2021-05-17 09:51:43	ayecee	all different.
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2021-05-17 09:51:53	Prestige	single sign on?
2021-05-17 09:52:05	hexnewbie	KeePassXC?
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2021-05-17 09:52:38	ayecee	a password manager does seem like a good fit, but i don't know that entries can be bound to single key sequences like that
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2021-05-17 09:54:09	ayecee	and it seems like swensson is single-minded about the user interface
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2021-05-17 09:56:18	bernard__	get some autofill app for chrissake
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2021-05-17 09:56:49	ayecee	yeah, password manager with browser autofill plugin sounds perfect
2021-05-17 09:56:53	bernard__	christ even
2021-05-17 09:57:27	ayecee	didn't realize you were so religious
2021-05-17 09:57:49	msiism	Well, isn't it a sin not to capitalize the name of the Lord?
2021-05-17 09:57:53	msiism	:)
2021-05-17 09:58:04	bernard__	its-a me.. st bernard
2021-05-17 09:58:24	zothix	Hi i am running incron https://dpaste.org/xTPS, if i run this command manually it works, inside my incron it shows it ran, but it doesnt effect https://dpaste.org/CjUJ
2021-05-17 09:58:52	ayecee	we used to joke that since they're so often found on farms that the dogs should be called st barnyard
2021-05-17 09:59:09	bernard__	kek
2021-05-17 10:00:15	ayecee	zothix: what should happen instead
2021-05-17 10:00:51	ayecee	zothix: like, what should i see in the second paste
2021-05-17 10:01:17	zothix	2nd paste is showing
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2021-05-17 10:01:18	zothix	that it ran
2021-05-17 10:01:24	zothix	but my nginx server isnt restarted
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2021-05-17 10:01:40	zothix	ayecee, if i run this same command manually it does work
2021-05-17 10:01:44	ayecee	maybe you can capture the output of the command to see what happened
2021-05-17 10:01:55	zothix	ayecee, how to do that?
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2021-05-17 10:02:13	ayecee	same way you'd do it manually
2021-05-17 10:02:37	ayecee	add &>/tmp/myoutput.log to the end or something
2021-05-17 10:02:51	zothix	okai leme try that
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2021-05-17 10:04:07	zothix	ayecee, i got this log " the input device is not a TTY
2021-05-17 10:04:07	zothix	 "
2021-05-17 10:04:24	ayecee	great, there's a clue to go on.
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2021-05-17 10:04:54	jjakob	simoneb_: so did the lvm thing work?
2021-05-17 10:04:55	ayecee	i would start by googling, docker-compuse input device is not a tty
2021-05-17 10:04:56	zothix	umm xD alright ill try google this
2021-05-17 10:05:05	zothix	thanks
2021-05-17 10:05:05	ayecee	err, docker-compose
2021-05-17 10:05:10	hendursaga	Anyone have an external USB GPS device that can be used with fully-libre drivers to recommend?
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2021-05-17 10:05:56	simoneb_	jjakob: ...no -_- I ended up reinstalling everything
2021-05-17 10:06:12	rockworld	hi everyone, I would like to ask if anyone know how to stop wine popping everything I get a notification on a windows app
2021-05-17 10:06:24	simoneb_	funny(?) thing: upon reinstallation of Ubuntu it was still using just half of the disk size
2021-05-17 10:06:26	ayecee	hendursaga: do you have an external USB GPS that doesn't work with fully-libre drivers to report?
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2021-05-17 10:07:16	hendursaga	ayecee: no, I have no experience yet, I was just hoping to avoid any annoying gotcha's
2021-05-17 10:07:20	zothix	ayecee, i was missing a parameter " -T "
2021-05-17 10:07:20	zothix	it works now
2021-05-17 10:07:20	zothix	thanks
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2021-05-17 10:07:22	ayecee	:)
2021-05-17 10:08:07	rockworld	everytime I mean
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2021-05-17 10:08:39	hendursaga	I was thinking something along the lines of https://www.adafruit.com/product/4279
2021-05-17 10:08:42	ayecee	hendursaga: as far as i know, they normally present as a usb serial device which doesn't need much in the way of drivers, but it's been a long time since i've used one.
2021-05-17 10:08:46	msiism	rockworld: Switch notifications off?
2021-05-17 10:09:07	rockworld	msiism, you mean in wine ?
2021-05-17 10:09:15	msiism	rockworld: Do you need sound from those Windows applications at all?
2021-05-17 10:09:15	ayecee	hendursaga: sure, that'll probably work
2021-05-17 10:09:39	rockworld	msiism, yes I need sound
2021-05-17 10:09:47	msiism	rockworld: I don't know where you would do that. Maybe it can be done in Wine, but I doubt it.
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2021-05-17 10:10:24	msiism	rockworld: Can you live without those notifications?
2021-05-17 10:10:46	ayecee	if you can call that living
2021-05-17 10:10:57	larkfisherman	This may be a dumb question, but how do I properly "unmount" an sshfs-mounter directory?
2021-05-17 10:11:01	 *	msiism has lived without notifications for years.
2021-05-17 10:11:04	larkfisherman	s/mounter/mounted/
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2021-05-17 10:11:40	rockworld	msiism, yes but there is no way to stop notif on my chat windows app
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2021-05-17 10:12:05	msiism	rockworld: And you also need sound from the chat app?
2021-05-17 10:13:05	rockworld	msiism, yes I need the sound
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2021-05-17 10:13:31	msiism	rockworld: So, this problem actually concerns only this particular chat application?
2021-05-17 10:13:49	rockworld	msiism, why the sound would be a matter in that?
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2021-05-17 10:14:26	jjakob	simoneb_: too bad, the pvcreate followed by a vgrestore would have probably worked
2021-05-17 10:14:26	msiism	rockworld: You mean "pop" as in make a noise, don't you?
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2021-05-17 10:15:12	ayecee	i was unclear on that myself. wondered if it meant crash.
2021-05-17 10:15:25	rockworld	msiism, ah ok no its just showing a screen windows everytime someone say something in a room
2021-05-17 10:15:45	msiism	Oh… well, then sound probably doesn't matter at all. :)
2021-05-17 10:15:51	jjakob	hendursaga: I'd think most usb gps devices would be NMEA serial behind a standard usb-to-serial converter with custom vid/pid
2021-05-17 10:15:52	rockworld	so I cant do anything if the chat is open xD
2021-05-17 10:16:03	adamik	no one would be sick enough to design a chat app with no way to turn off the notifications
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2021-05-17 10:16:08	adamik	:|
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2021-05-17 10:16:25	hexnewbie	That sounds like an idea for KDE 6
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2021-05-17 10:16:31	jjakob	or if they're custom usb protocols, you take the PID of the usb device and grep through the kernel source for it
2021-05-17 10:16:36	rockworld	if I go on windows, it doesnt happen, only on linux
2021-05-17 10:16:55	swensson	Late reply, We are not able to use SSO and a password manager works.... But I rather have it as keybind so I'll look into if I can do any script for it... :)
2021-05-17 10:17:05	hendursaga	So I'm looking through  https://gpsd.gitlab.io/gpsd/hardware.html  and some of the entries show "mouse" packaging - what's that, again?
2021-05-17 10:17:14	rockworld	but I would like to be able tu use it on linux instead of windows and get rid of windows forever lol
2021-05-17 10:17:15	hexnewbie	I had to edit KDE's QML files in /usr/share to remove the a) 3-second large popup centre-screen, and b) *SOUND* while I'm changing volume.
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2021-05-17 10:18:02	rockworld	there is a way to turn off the notification in the app, but I already done that
2021-05-17 10:18:14	jjakob	hendursaga: "mouse" packaging probably means a mouse form factor
2021-05-17 10:18:14	ayecee	hendursaga: maybe it's the thing sometimes called a "puck"
2021-05-17 10:18:28	jjakob	yeah like a puck with a wire
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2021-05-17 10:18:38	ayecee	a lot of these links don't work so it's hard to check
2021-05-17 10:18:40	hendursaga	So it's enclosed?
2021-05-17 10:18:41	msiism	rockworld: Why do you need Wine to use that chat programm in the first place?
2021-05-17 10:18:55	jjakob	hendursaga: yes
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2021-05-17 10:19:00	rockworld	msiism, thats made for windows
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2021-05-17 10:19:10	adamik	swensson: pass would work pretty well
2021-05-17 10:19:13	msiism	rockworld: What's the protocol, though?
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2021-05-17 10:19:52	rockworld	msiism, sorry im not sure what you mean exactly
2021-05-17 10:20:13	msiism	rockworld: Like, e.g., if you want to use IRC, there are clients for quite a few different operating systems.
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2021-05-17 10:20:54	hexnewbie	Yeah, but none are as cool as mIRC ;p
2021-05-17 10:21:04	rockworld	msiism, yes not only a chat, its a chat and a game so we can play sound in that game too, they only have version for mac and wwindows
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2021-05-17 10:21:33	rockworld	mirc or irc :)
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2021-05-17 10:21:41	msiism	rockworld: Okay, I see. :) I'll probably not be able to help you with that then, sorry.
2021-05-17 10:21:55	msiism	hexnewbie: Is mIRC curses-based?
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2021-05-17 10:22:39	hexnewbie	msiism: Speaking of, mIRC and BX themes are the ones I'm mostly looking for.
2021-05-17 10:23:09	msiism	hexnewbie: Doesn't mIRC have only 16 colors that are then used for various things?
2021-05-17 10:23:31	hexnewbie	I don't know the answer to that. Probably.
2021-05-17 10:23:57	msiism	Well, Hexchat does and it's not fun at all.
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2021-05-17 10:24:07	rockworld	I like mirc, I was doing a lot of own little script in that long time ago x)
2021-05-17 10:24:18	ayecee	16 colors should be enough for anybody
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2021-05-17 10:24:31	msiism	ayecee: It's conceptually wrong.
2021-05-17 10:24:34	adamik	imagine not reading irc output in gedit with high contrast theme and magnification on
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2021-05-17 10:25:26	msiism	ayecee: What I mean by that is that you should be able to choose a color per "element displayed", not have 16 colors pre-defined that the application then applies in a certain way.
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2021-05-17 10:25:53	rockworld	msiism, you can do all that by making a small script in the app
2021-05-17 10:26:03	msiism	This is the same drag as with color themes in the terminal…
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2021-05-17 10:26:56	msiism	rockworld: Yeah, that's what they always say… :-P
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2021-05-17 10:28:31	msiism	The right way to do it would be for the application to expose the colorable elements of a chat window to the user via configuration options in a convenient way.
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2021-05-17 10:42:01	adamik	I guess a terminal irc client is out of the question.
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2021-05-17 10:44:04	FloridaMan	it's a little humorous that today I have a tab still open on search results for "linux man that eats toejam" because I couldn't remember Stallman's name yesterday
2021-05-17 10:44:15	veek	is there an easy cmd line way to pull Youtube video page descriptions.. don't want to do this in python/selenium
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2021-05-17 10:44:44	adamik	youtube-dl --add-metadata
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2021-05-17 10:45:03	bernard__	luckily someone else made it in python for ya
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2021-05-17 10:45:40	veek	adamik, thank you!
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2021-05-17 10:47:40	adamik	of course that alone is going to pull the video along with it, and the metadata will be written to the file
2021-05-17 10:47:48	adamik	but you're welcome
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2021-05-17 10:51:19	Pseudo-Coffee	Hey. What is meant by Kali Linux Rolling? Like what does the "Rolling" mean?
2021-05-17 10:51:27	veek	adamik, don't need the video just the description - parts lists
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2021-05-17 10:52:16	ananke	Pseudo-Coffee: rolling release = upgraded continuously
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2021-05-17 10:52:38	ananke	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_release
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2021-05-17 10:54:04	Pseudo-Coffee	clear
2021-05-17 10:54:12	Pseudo-Coffee	thamls
2021-05-17 10:54:16	Pseudo-Coffee	*thanks
2021-05-17 10:54:29	hexnewbie	alias c='clear; clear'
2021-05-17 10:54:37	adamik	veek: --get-description or --write-info-json along with --skip-download MAY get you a little closer.
2021-05-17 10:55:03	msiism	hexnewbie: Why do you run that twice, though?
2021-05-17 10:55:20	hexnewbie	msiism: So that Konsole's scrollback is also cleared
2021-05-17 10:55:27	 *	msiism has alias cls='clear'
2021-05-17 10:55:29	msiism	I see.
2021-05-17 10:55:48	esselfe	I have 'alias rst='reset; hash -r; history -c'
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2021-05-17 10:56:55	msiism	Oh well, terminals and shells… never-ending learning opportunities.
2021-05-17 10:57:05	adamik	ah thats --write-description
2021-05-17 10:58:32	adamik	aliasing `clear`
2021-05-17 10:58:36	adamik	what is this psychopathy?
2021-05-17 10:58:53	msiism	clear to long to type
2021-05-17 10:58:59	msiism	s/to/too
2021-05-17 10:59:02	msiism	:9
2021-05-17 10:59:08	bernard__	ctrl+l
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2021-05-17 10:59:17	bernard__	(ㆆ _ ㆆ)
2021-05-17 10:59:52	msiism	Ctrl+L not clear scroll buffer.
2021-05-17 10:59:54	veek	adamik, yeah working :) thanks.. any idea how to pipe jq output to grep
2021-05-17 10:59:55	bernard__	indeed
2021-05-17 11:00:16	veek	adamik, it acts weird.. prints the help.. think it's checking for terminal?
2021-05-17 11:00:40	veek	jq -M whatever
2021-05-17 11:00:56	adamik	havent the slightest
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2021-05-17 11:01:10	adamik	you are yuri gagarin right now
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2021-05-17 11:02:07	veek	ah got it needs a filter .. jq -M '.' whateverfile
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2021-05-17 11:02:54	AnthraciteX	hello
2021-05-17 11:03:29	msiism	bernard__: For me, it's also a little joke because `cls` is a BASIC and DOS command, as far as I recall.
2021-05-17 11:03:48	 *	msiism puts the fun back into computing.
2021-05-17 11:03:54	bernard__	yeah
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2021-05-17 11:04:00	bernard__	eye remember
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2021-05-17 11:04:23	bernard__	hello AnthraciteX
2021-05-17 11:04:36	AnthraciteX	hey bernard_
2021-05-17 11:04:45	bernard__	do you like linux?
2021-05-17 11:05:00	msiism	That's a trick question.
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2021-05-17 11:05:30	AnthraciteX	so far I like the linux distro that I'm using
2021-05-17 11:05:34	adamik	that really nagged at me for a second where I've seen that slogan, msiism
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2021-05-17 11:06:20	AnthraciteX	but I'm still a beginner to using linux, I haven't done any insane amount of typing commands or compiling
2021-05-17 11:06:21	 *	hexnewbie puts the fun back in functions.
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2021-05-17 11:07:15	bernard__	AnthraciteX: same. kinda mid level
2021-05-17 11:07:26	bernard__	changing compiling flags at most
2021-05-17 11:07:27	msiism	AnthraciteX: Yeah, better don't go to insane amounts of doing that, ever.
2021-05-17 11:07:31	AnthraciteX	I'm surprised that linux even worked on a chromebook
2021-05-17 11:07:45	esselfe	I'm a compiling fan
2021-05-17 11:07:58	AnthraciteX	@msiism I'm glad that distros nowadays have a UI and all
2021-05-17 11:08:02	AnthraciteX	GUI*
2021-05-17 11:08:26	msiism	esselfe: Well, if you're a fan, suit yourself, go nuts. :)
2021-05-17 11:08:41	bernard__	nowadays? they have for a long time
2021-05-17 11:08:41	 *	esselfe runs around
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2021-05-17 11:10:04	AnthraciteX	@bernard_ oh my mistake, I thought it was around the 2000s in which most distros started shipping with a GUI
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2021-05-17 11:10:31	bernard__	that's still 20 years ago
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2021-05-17 11:10:54	adamik	they're all grown up now
2021-05-17 11:10:57	adamik	fat little bastards
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2021-05-17 11:11:09	msiism	Strange notion of growing up there…
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2021-05-17 11:11:26	jjakob	esselfe: I'm a compiling heatsink
2021-05-17 11:11:35	bernard__	strangely morphing into something usable
2021-05-17 11:11:58	AnthraciteX	One can only dream about the new Zen 3 laptops....
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2021-05-17 11:12:28	msiism	Like, what was wrong wiht KDE 3? I mean, compared to what there's today? Or CDE, even…
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2021-05-17 11:13:13	msiism	I mean, purely from a UI perspective.
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2021-05-17 11:13:18	hexnewbie	It works slower with the compositor on than KDE 5. :P
2021-05-17 11:14:05	msiism	I don't even know what a compositor is, actually.
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2021-05-17 11:14:38	bernard__	UI? not much
2021-05-17 11:14:46	velix	a composter?
2021-05-17 11:15:08	CommunistWolf	it's the thing that decides what gets to be shown on screen and where
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2021-05-17 11:15:32	hexnewbie	A thing that slows down my NBA broadcast enough to cause my fans to turn on, but causes tearing when I turn it off.
2021-05-17 11:15:47	akik	compositor is for eye-candy
2021-05-17 11:16:07	hexnewbie	Apparently, the tearing irritates me less than the sound of a fan, so I turn it off at that point.
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2021-05-17 11:16:24	msiism	Well, w are talking about compositing window managers, right?
2021-05-17 11:17:39	hexnewbie	I also claim the compositor is eye-candy only. So I place a copyrighted work under my window, set the KWin transparency to 70%, trace the work with the mouse, then claim that was only eye-candy only, and eye-candy-only cannot enable copyright violation :P
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2021-05-17 11:18:48	adamik	drop shadows are a business-expense
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2021-05-17 11:19:03	msiism	Well, there are probably some advantages to using compositors.
2021-05-17 11:19:32	adamik	I only use one because without one my screen tears.
2021-05-17 11:19:45	adamik	thats a nice advantage
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2021-05-17 11:21:17	GNU\colossus	same
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2021-05-17 11:21:25	hexnewbie	So those are the things I'm mostly have with it: a) transparency to overlay two objects on the screen (for comparison purposes), without pasting in GIMP, b) ability to tell where my windows went when I accidentally minimize, c) no tearing in certain web video sources, d) the shadow allows me to use no window border (for anything but Konsole) and still know where my windows end
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2021-05-17 11:23:44	adamik	I too overlay my objects when making backups of my currency for my personal use.
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2021-05-17 11:26:44	NyB	adamik: I think that sort of backup may be legality-challenged in some cases :-p
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2021-05-17 11:30:26	adamik	NyB: that might be the case but I'd have to question the methods of someone counterfeiting money in KDE compositor.
2021-05-17 11:30:42	adamik	( I was only joking, plz no StB )
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2021-05-17 11:39:25	bernard__	what's stb?
2021-05-17 11:39:58	bernard__	st bernard?
2021-05-17 11:40:04	bernard__	sexy trading bitcoin?
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2021-05-17 11:40:18	SkunkyLaptop	set top box?
2021-05-17 11:40:33	adamik	state bernard__
2021-05-17 11:40:56	madprops	are there cases where the only way to set a resolution is through grub?
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2021-05-17 11:41:44	Wafficus	does anyone know how I can update my grub menu to reflect only the latest kernel version that was installed?
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2021-05-17 11:41:49	Wafficus	in Fedora Linux
2021-05-17 11:41:52	omr	there's a great programmer who made a set of c libraries he calls stb :P
2021-05-17 11:42:02	esselfe	12
2021-05-17 11:43:50	akik	Wafficus: what if you sent your question in one channel at a time?
2021-05-17 11:45:05	Wafficus	akik: didn't know you're on Fedora sorry
2021-05-17 11:45:07	adamik	madprops: not sure about the absolutes but it seems so, at least for virtual console.
2021-05-17 11:45:11	akik	Wafficus: it's not about me
2021-05-17 11:45:12	Wafficus	akik: will carry over there
2021-05-17 11:45:13	adamik	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Kernel_mode_setting
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2021-05-17 11:50:16	binux	I am having problems with bind9, I get this error:  failed: unknown class/type  here is my zone file https://pastebin.com/d7R3GKtY
2021-05-17 11:50:27	binux	I cannot find the error
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2021-05-17 11:52:02	paulcarroty	bill gates pursued woman in miscrosoft
2021-05-17 11:52:02	paulcarroty	LOL
2021-05-17 11:52:15	paulcarroty	right now on cnn
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2021-05-17 11:53:02	NyB	binux: been some time since I dealt with a name server, but that "IN IN" string does not look right
2021-05-17 11:53:20	NyB	binux: the one in the "nas" line
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2021-05-17 11:53:39	binux	cant believe I missed that
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2021-05-17 11:54:01	binux	thats what happens when you try to configure dns after a covid jab
2021-05-17 11:54:23	NyB	binux: the error message sent me looking at all the A, CNAME, AAAA etc strings
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2021-05-17 11:55:04	Wafficus	paulcarroty: --> OT, doesn't matter if Billy Boy gets canceled right after RMS
2021-05-17 11:55:13	Wafficus	*cancelled
2021-05-17 11:55:26	ananke	paulcarroty: not sure how that's relevant to this channel
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2021-05-17 12:01:04	adamik	its relevant if theres a pack of ornery opensuse users gathered at the paul's panini just around the block from the redmond campus
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2021-05-17 12:05:58	jjakob	last time I did a sg_start --stop /dev/sdd I had a lot of read errors in dmesg and also the kernel paniced and disk io froze
2021-05-17 12:06:13	jjakob	is there any other command to spin down a sas drive
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2021-05-17 12:17:20	paulcarroty	tab.digital provides 8GB nextcloud space for free
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2021-05-17 12:28:41	jjakob	damn, it paniced again
2021-05-17 12:28:43	jjakob	I wonder if it panics if I don't stop the drive before unplugging it
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2021-05-17 12:33:00	simbaclaws	hi guys, I have an issue with a server that I'm running a linux distro on... It hosts some wordpress sites, and one of those sites has approximately 40000 files for jpgs. roughly 3000 files times 11 because of wp smush smushing the files into 11 different ones for display....
2021-05-17 12:33:00	simbaclaws	I am backing this website up every week or so for the past 2 months. anything older then that gets removed. So this comes down to roughly 40000 * 6 = 240000 files just for pictures!!! I'm not worried about the size because they're all about 1-5kb in size and comes down to around 3-4gb in total size for the entire website...
2021-05-17 12:33:00	simbaclaws	What I am worried about is inode size.
2021-05-17 12:33:00	simbaclaws	How soon should I expect problems with the file count limit?
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2021-05-17 12:34:10	simbaclaws	since each month roughly 6 times 11 pictures are added, which are then also duplicated due to the backups
2021-05-17 12:34:26	simbaclaws	should I try offloading this to something like an s3 bucket or something?
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2021-05-17 12:38:02	esselfe	linode has 250GB for 5$/month :P
2021-05-17 12:38:07	esselfe	(s3)
2021-05-17 12:38:13	simbaclaws	I'm not worried about size ;)
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2021-05-17 12:38:16	simbaclaws	I'm worried about inodes
2021-05-17 12:38:41	wigums	 thats what she said
2021-05-17 12:39:07	simbaclaws	nice
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2021-05-17 12:39:17	esselfe	check 'dumpe2fs -h /dev/sdXN | grep 'Inode count'
2021-05-17 12:39:31	simbaclaws	thanks, just a sec
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2021-05-17 12:40:23	jjakob	yup, panics again. I think I'll stop while I'm ahead. it's not good having to recover the root filesystem every time
2021-05-17 12:41:45	esselfe	and 'Free inodes'
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2021-05-17 12:45:47	simbaclaws	ok so the entire server's disk usage is 37/250 gb, I'm checking inode size right now
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2021-05-17 12:47:06	simbaclaws	dumpe2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020) this is what the command you gave gives me esselfe
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2021-05-17 12:47:28	simbaclaws	oh it's capital I
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2021-05-17 12:47:44	simbaclaws	Free blocks:              32281376
2021-05-17 12:47:44	simbaclaws	Free inodes:              9568775
2021-05-17 12:47:55	simbaclaws	Inode count:              9982896
2021-05-17 12:47:55	simbaclaws	Block count:              39984379
2021-05-17 12:48:14	simbaclaws	seems like I still have a while to go, so nothing to worry about?
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2021-05-17 12:49:02	simbaclaws	alright, now I feel safer :)
2021-05-17 12:50:17	NyB	simbaclaws: keep in mind that a 1KB file would still take up a full block on a 4KB-block filesystem
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2021-05-17 12:51:06	NyB	lots of tiny files are *painful* in all sorts of ways
2021-05-17 12:51:48	GNU\colossus	reiserfs to the rescue
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2021-05-17 12:51:56	 *	NyB wishes some sort of middle ground between mbox and MH had caught on for mailboxes
2021-05-17 12:52:14	GNU\colossus	NyB, there is dovecot's mdbox (iirc)
2021-05-17 12:52:51	NyB	GNU\colossus: yes, I'm aware of that one, but almost nothing else supported last time I checked. Might be worth taking another look.
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2021-05-17 12:53:08	GNU\colossus	I am not aware of any third party support either
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2021-05-17 12:53:44	paulcarroty	reiserfs newer reached stability after founder lost his mind
2021-05-17 12:53:58	paulcarroty	*v
2021-05-17 12:54:28	NyB	is reiser3 still being developed in any way? Or is everything out of the kernel these says?
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2021-05-17 12:54:49	paulcarroty	out the kernel
2021-05-17 12:55:10	GNU\colossus	paulcarroty, eh? I used reiserfs, aka reiser3, for years to host the portage tree of my first Gentoo setup
2021-05-17 12:55:15	GNU\colossus	are you refering to reiser4?
2021-05-17 12:55:43	GNU\colossus	NyB, reiserfs, for sure isn't being developed any more. not sure if you can even build it any more?
2021-05-17 12:56:09	akik	NyB: knoppix still used it some time ago
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2021-05-17 12:56:32	NyB	my distro kernel still has a reiserfs.ko module, so I guess it stil lexists?
2021-05-17 12:56:42	NyB	s/l l/ll /
2021-05-17 12:57:03	akik	NyB: it's still in fedora
2021-05-17 12:57:27	NyB	but I dropped reiser3 fairly quickly in favor of ext3/4 - it had some pretty atrocious failure modes
2021-05-17 12:59:03	paulcarroty	ext4 got fast commits recently & performance boost
2021-05-17 12:59:33	jjakob	https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213067
2021-05-17 12:59:56	jjakob	how fast does GKH usually look at things
2021-05-17 13:00:01	jjakob	CC list: 0
2021-05-17 13:00:17	jjakob	this is really annoying for me
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2021-05-17 13:03:17	_Fremen_	Hello everyone
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2021-05-17 13:03:43	NyB	jjakob: I agree that it should not panic, but isn't this particular management interface deprecated?
2021-05-17 13:04:03	NyB	jjakob: IIRC there are sysfs knobs you can use to remove SCSI targets
2021-05-17 13:04:28	jjakob	it panics even if I don't do sg_start --stop
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2021-05-17 13:04:45	NyB	jjakob: did you remove the target via sysfs first?
2021-05-17 13:05:11	NyB	(or was it procfs? been a while...)
2021-05-17 13:05:11	jjakob	no, can you point me to a reference?
2021-05-17 13:05:28	jjakob	I've never done it via sysfs and it used to never panic
2021-05-17 13:05:40	_Fremen_	I am having lvm ext4 partition problem. I tried to do a fsck but it never finishes, currently working on inode 31 000 000 ! Is there something wrong with this partition or it is normal because I was a 1.6 TB partition?
2021-05-17 13:05:40	jjakob	always sg_start --stop
2021-05-17 13:05:50	jjakob	so this is probably a regression even
2021-05-17 13:06:14	NyB	jjakob: https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_enterprise_linux/7/html/storage_administration_guide/removing_devices seems similar to what I remember
2021-05-17 13:06:14	jjakob	thouhg I found some old bug that's been marked fixed that has a similar panic
2021-05-17 13:06:50	NyB	yup, that page actually mentions that the old form is procfs...
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2021-05-17 13:07:45	NyB	_Fremen_: how long is "never" ?
2021-05-17 13:07:57	esselfe	always
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2021-05-17 13:09:24	lavamind	hello, is it possible for a bonded interface to join another bond as a slave interface? eg. I have bond0 which is a 802.3ad bond, and I'd like to join it to bond1 in active-backup mode with another physical interface
2021-05-17 13:09:39	_Fremen_	NyB, for 2 days? It runs out of memory and aborts. Then I start it again and it continues, it increases the number of inodes each time, but according file system header information, there should be 4 000 000 inodes, not 31 800 000 and counting?
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2021-05-17 13:10:29	_Fremen_	I could not find information about excess number of inodes problem for fsck online
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2021-05-17 13:11:25	dostoyevsky	When I see /proc/N/fd/n -> pipe:[n] -- how can I find the other side of the pipe?
2021-05-17 13:12:09	akik	internet is a series of pipes
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2021-05-17 13:12:42	akik	dostoyevsky: does that show up in lsof ?
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2021-05-17 13:14:27	_Fremen_	NyB, ironically it seems to be finished :), I am going to run it again.
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2021-05-17 13:16:32	jjakob	sg_sanitize --block or --overwrite
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2021-05-17 13:17:21	jjakob	?
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2021-05-17 13:20:36	dostoyevsky	akik: yeah, I could grep it in "lsof -n" but I got multiple processes...
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2021-05-17 13:23:55	RayTracer	dostoyevsky: "lsof -E -p $thepid" maybe
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2021-05-17 13:25:43	tiotags	hello, is this a good place to ask io uring questions ?
2021-05-17 13:25:55	jjakob	--block overwrites with a vendor defined pattern, --overwrite with your pattern
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2021-05-17 13:26:02	ayecee	it is a bad place to ask if it's a good place to ask questions
2021-05-17 13:26:21	ayecee	ask your question instead, you'll find out if it's a good place for it or not
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2021-05-17 13:26:24	DkrTremos	yo
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2021-05-17 13:26:47	tiotags	I don't know if this is a linux kernel channel or a linux channel
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2021-05-17 13:27:02	DkrTremos	I use win 95
2021-05-17 13:27:07	DkrTremos	it's ok?
2021-05-17 13:27:08	ayecee	tiotags: find out by asking your question and see who responds.
2021-05-17 13:27:08	DkrTremos	:D
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2021-05-17 13:29:36	jjakob	tiotags: it's everything including both of those and also unrelated things sometimes
2021-05-17 13:30:02	omero	rotfl
2021-05-17 13:30:23	omero	the unrelated things part jjakob ...
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2021-05-17 13:31:35	tiotags	does io uring cancel requests when you fork ? can that behaviour be avoided ?
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2021-05-17 13:32:14	omero	you must have missed Douglas Adams's Dirk Gently Holistic detective agency (where it is describe the concept of universe and interconnectedness of all thing)
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2021-05-17 13:33:39	ayecee	tiotags: i think even in a channel dedicated solely to linux kernel and populated by kernel developers, that question would need more context.
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2021-05-17 13:34:59	tiotags	hmmm
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2021-05-17 13:35:28	omero	havent had a look at the code recently ... but mmm... wasnt that around v5?
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2021-05-17 13:36:13	omero	btw, I think the maintainers are still included in the source distribution
2021-05-17 13:36:23	omero	I mean... how to contact them
2021-05-17 13:36:39	_Fremen_	NyB, I think I broke it completely, when I reinitialize the superblock, it made it a ext2 instead of ext4. So I was trying to repair a wrong file system :). I am going to use photorec to salvage any data I can. I assume there is nothing else to do at this point?
2021-05-17 13:36:48	omero	seems you got a very specific issue in mind tiotags
2021-05-17 13:36:55	tiotags	I want to handle pending io uring requests inside a child process but they get reset with a 'operation cancelled' when I fork
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2021-05-17 13:37:55	tiotags	there's almost no documentation
2021-05-17 13:38:05	ayecee	tiotags: i guess that answers the first question!
2021-05-17 13:38:31	tiotags	does nobody use io uring ?
2021-05-17 13:38:33	omero	ahm... tiotags ... could you please ... uname -a?
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2021-05-17 13:38:57	ayecee	tiotags: it is not widely used, correct
2021-05-17 13:38:59	omero	just to have an idea of what kernel are we talking about
2021-05-17 13:39:03	tiotags	Linux localhost.localdomain 5.12.4-gentoo-x86_64
2021-05-17 13:39:17	ayecee	tiotags: still fairly new, isn't it?
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2021-05-17 13:40:11	tiotags	I wish it was older, async io is pretty useful imo (if you're referring to io uring)
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2021-05-17 13:40:40	omero	io_uring.
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2021-05-17 13:41:17	tiotags	also the error handling is imo better (and easier) than normal io
2021-05-17 13:41:25	omero	mmmm... pretty fairly new then... 5.x
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2021-05-17 13:42:57	tiotags	I wish more people used it, then maybe google would have useful answers
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2021-05-17 13:45:09	omero	thats why I suggested you have a look at _who_ is currently listed as maintaining that peculiar part of the kernel code, tiotags ... they still read e-mails
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2021-05-17 13:45:44	ayecee	i'd be tempted to hit the kernel source, find where the requests are cancelled, and see if the function that does it tests a flag for whether it should
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2021-05-17 13:46:21	ayecee	more documentation would be nice though.
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2021-05-17 13:46:26	tiotags	I admit the linux kernel is a bit to complex for me
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2021-05-17 13:46:42	omero	Id be tempted to just do ^ the above... but I dont want to 'wget/rsync/git' a whole tree of sourcecode
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2021-05-17 13:46:54	ayecee	thankfully you can browse kernel source online now
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2021-05-17 13:47:26	 *	omero no can do ayecee 
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2021-05-17 13:47:39	ayecee	well keep trying, you'll figure it out
2021-05-17 13:47:50	omero	my browser is no longer supported even on github :/
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2021-05-17 13:48:22	omero	but I agree... I would check the source :P
2021-05-17 13:48:42	tiotags	also if anyone's interested (I hope I don't get kicked for advertising) I'm making a webserver using io uring
2021-05-17 13:49:06	tiotags	I'll try but I'm not very good at reading linux source code, I'm a pretty big noob
2021-05-17 13:49:08	omero	if one has _that_ kind of question, tiotags ... means ones knows a bit about C(oding)
2021-05-17 13:49:08	ayecee	tiotags: not as hard as it looks, probably. one way to do it is to follow the functions you're calling.
2021-05-17 13:49:25	ayecee	tiotags: like, if you wanted to cancel a pending io, how would you do it?
2021-05-17 13:49:50	tiotags	I want it to not cancel it
2021-05-17 13:49:51	omero	also, there's a nifty thing called 'strace'
2021-05-17 13:49:52	tiotags	or ...
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2021-05-17 13:50:15	tiotags	it shouldn't have any syscalls, no ?
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2021-05-17 13:50:30	ayecee	tiotags: right, the goal is to find the bit of code that _does_ cancel it.
2021-05-17 13:50:50	tiotags	what do you mean by strace ? does it do anything besides track systemcalls ?
2021-05-17 13:50:51	ayecee	an easy way to do that is to follow the code that _would_ cancel it
2021-05-17 13:50:51	omero	well.. uhm... its complicated... as everything involving kernel/userspace things
2021-05-17 13:51:20	ayecee	and then see what else calls that code
2021-05-17 13:51:25	omero	io_uring is such a thing
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2021-05-17 13:54:18	ayecee	the io is only cancelled in the child, right? it remains active in the parent?
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2021-05-17 13:56:41	tinloaf	Hi! I have a non-booting Ubuntu. The initramfs has a crypttab with two partitions, one of which is broken. But the broken partition is my data partition, not my system partition. Is there any way I can that initramfs to still boot my system, skipping the broken data partition?
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2021-05-17 13:56:47	tiotags	I didn't think to check, I was just closing the parent
2021-05-17 13:57:05	tinloaf	Right now, it just keeps waiting for the broken data partition to come up...
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2021-05-17 13:57:30	tinloaf	(I's not actually broken. It's an LVM2 RAID1, and it seems like my initramfs is missing the proper kernel module to bring up the RAID1…)
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2021-05-17 13:58:11	ayecee	tiotags: hmm, now that i think about it, i'm not sure it makes sense for the io to continue in both the parent and the child. it's hard to picture what the effect would be.
2021-05-17 13:58:40	ayecee	tinloaf: what happens when you try to boot
2021-05-17 13:58:49	ayecee	oh, i see
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2021-05-17 13:58:59	ayecee	tinloaf: what does that look like, when it just keeps waiting
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2021-05-17 13:59:20	ayecee	like what does it say on screen
2021-05-17 13:59:26	tinloaf	ayecee: lots of "[  254.673463] device-mapper: table: 254:7: raid: Failed to run raid array", and after that it drops to an initramfs shell
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2021-05-17 13:59:58	tinloaf	ayecee: in dmesg I see "[  265.488933] md: personality for level 1 is not loaded!"
2021-05-17 14:00:50	esselfe	I have a problem with a digitalocean droplet running Debian Sid: when I ssh in it takes 1m30s to get a shell, what could it be?
2021-05-17 14:00:56	ayecee	maybe you can add a "nofail" option for the partition in /etc/fstab, and regenerate the initramfs?
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2021-05-17 14:01:11	tinloaf	ayecee: In LVM the VG doesn't look too bad: https://pastebin.com/emc1B69f
2021-05-17 14:01:14	esselfe	bash -l is immediate
2021-05-17 14:01:26	tinloaf	ayecee: So, no option without booting from an external medium?
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2021-05-17 14:01:43	ayecee	tinloaf: you've got the initramfs there, no? you can do it from there?
2021-05-17 14:02:02	hexnewbie	esselfe: grep -i UseDNS /etc/ssh/ssd_config ?
2021-05-17 14:02:06	ayecee	it goes into an emergency shell, and that's kind of what that shell is for
2021-05-17 14:02:07	tinloaf	ayecee: that's what I'm not sure about. I can't find a way of actually accessing the fstab from there.
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2021-05-17 14:02:20	tinloaf	Inside the initramfs, /etc/fstab is empty
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2021-05-17 14:02:38	esselfe	hexnewbie: #UseDNS no
2021-05-17 14:02:43	tinloaf	And I can't mount /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt (which is my usual /), because "device or resource is busy"
2021-05-17 14:02:53	esselfe	(sshd_config)
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2021-05-17 14:03:14	hexnewbie	esselfe: Hmm, my other idea is anything from PAM using DNS, but I am not aware of such things. That sounds like an issue such as DNS resolution
2021-05-17 14:03:18	ayecee	tinloaf: what does "mount" say is currently mounted on / ?
2021-05-17 14:03:30	esselfe	let me try to uncomment it
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2021-05-17 14:03:46	omero	thats because your shell is actually where you are before you would mount your devices
2021-05-17 14:03:52	urk	What is the syntax of the kill libreoffice command?
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2021-05-17 14:04:03	ayecee	urk: what is the kill libreoffice command
2021-05-17 14:04:04	esselfe	no it's not that
2021-05-17 14:04:04	omero	before you pivot root I mean
2021-05-17 14:04:11	tinloaf	ayecee: rootfs on / type rootfs (rw)
2021-05-17 14:04:35	ayecee	tinloaf: does it show anything else mounted, especially sda5_crypt?
2021-05-17 14:04:36	urk	libreoffice is locked up, and I need to kill it.
2021-05-17 14:04:45	tinloaf	There's a crypttab at /cryptroot/crypttab, in which I tried to delete the data partition, but that does not seem to survive a reboot
2021-05-17 14:04:57	esselfe	hexnewbie: ping resolves fast
2021-05-17 14:05:00	omero	pkill `pidof libreoffice` maybe
2021-05-17 14:05:12	ayecee	esselfe: the reverse dns would be the slow thing in that case
2021-05-17 14:05:19	hexnewbie	esselfe: ping your.ip?
2021-05-17 14:05:30	tinloaf	ayecee: here's a full 'mount' output: https://pastebin.com/aQY5EfhS - sda5_crypt is not mounted
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2021-05-17 14:05:50	omero	am... sorry urk... thats incorrect (pkill -TERM libreoffice)
2021-05-17 14:06:09	esselfe	hexnewbie: ping -c3 esselfe.ca
2021-05-17 14:06:10	hexnewbie	esselfe: But it could be other things. Including PAM modules connecting to a slow passwd database that has since been removed for nsswitch
2021-05-17 14:06:38	hexnewbie	esselfe: Well, if it was resolving anything during your ssh, it would have been the PTR record of the IP you're connecting *from*
2021-05-17 14:06:46	ayecee	tinloaf: how are you trying to mount sda5_crypt?
2021-05-17 14:07:02	tinloaf	ayecee: mount -t ext4 /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt /mnt/foo
2021-05-17 14:07:06	tinloaf	(/mnt/foo exists)
2021-05-17 14:07:13	ayecee	huh.
2021-05-17 14:07:23	j5v1	have a licensing question for yall, I see some code licensed under the "GPLv3 or later". Why do people include the "or later" clause? It seems like this can be a risk if, for example, the GPL ever gets watered down. is it a good idea to include the "or later" clause when using GPLv3?
2021-05-17 14:07:37	tinloaf	ayecee: and it says: mount: mounting /dev/mapper/sda5_crypt on /mnt/foo failed: Device or resource busy
2021-05-17 14:07:45	ayecee	right
2021-05-17 14:07:55	tinloaf	I have a dropbear running in that initramfs… could that be the problme?
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2021-05-17 14:08:08	ayecee	it shouldn't be
2021-05-17 14:08:19	ayecee	i don't think that would use sda5_crypt
2021-05-17 14:08:27	urk	pkill term libreoffice errered out.
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2021-05-17 14:09:03	ayecee	tinloaf: it kind of seems like sda5_crypt is broken, eh?
2021-05-17 14:09:20	omero	urk: what error exactly?
2021-05-17 14:09:21	davros	(ayecee thanks for the help yesterday.. after some googling i managed to reinstall grub and its fine now)
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2021-05-17 14:09:28	ayecee	:)
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2021-05-17 14:09:50	omero	and its pkill -TERM ...
2021-05-17 14:09:50	urk	omero:   only one pattern can be provided
2021-05-17 14:10:24	omero	(that means -SIGNAL TO SEND:TERM)
2021-05-17 14:10:27	tinloaf	ayecee: this process was running in my initramfs:  220 root     {cryptroot} /bin/sh /scripts/local-top/cryptroot
2021-05-17 14:10:36	urk	omero:  No errors with pkill -TERM, but it didn't kill libreoffice
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2021-05-17 14:10:55	omero	ps axf|egrep -i libreoff
2021-05-17 14:11:05	tinloaf	I killed it (b/c I thought it kept sda5_crypt busy), and now my initramfs is broken \o/
2021-05-17 14:11:20	ayecee	tinloaf: does it come back when you reboot?
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2021-05-17 14:11:58	tinloaf	I sure hope so. :-D
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2021-05-17 14:12:06	tinloaf	Yes, looks like it.
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2021-05-17 14:12:21	ayecee	wouldn't hurt to take a peek at /scripts/local-top/cryptroot to see what it's doing
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2021-05-17 14:12:39	tinloaf	Yeah, I'll do that. First I need to get something to eat to have a clearer mind. Thanks so far!
2021-05-17 14:13:03	ayecee	:)
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2021-05-17 14:13:11	omero	urk, once you know the specific PID of libreoffice (if any) you should be able to kill -9 that (a bit extreme, I concur ... but that should work)
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2021-05-17 14:14:09	tiotags	I tried to run keep both parent and child running and now the child sigsegv's ...
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2021-05-17 14:14:15	omero	KILL       9   exit      this signal may not be blocked
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2021-05-17 14:15:21	omero	urk, thats straight from 'man kill'
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2021-05-17 14:15:58	Dan39	unless, you know, the process is hung waiting for IO, then it just brushes it off for like 10 minutes :P
2021-05-17 14:16:28	omero	lol
2021-05-17 14:16:58	omero	c'mon... its libreoffice... how die-hard can libreoffice be :P
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2021-05-17 14:17:48	hexnewbie	one day they'll invent a gui for killing processes
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2021-05-17 14:17:49	Dan39	if you opened a file from a cifs mount, then pull your network plug... you might be waiting a long time after many kill -9's for it to die
2021-05-17 14:18:03	omero	hexnewbie: htop?
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2021-05-17 14:18:38	Dan39	why would i want a gui when i have `pkill`? o_O?
2021-05-17 14:18:47	c705	porn
2021-05-17 14:18:49	longxia	Dan39: do you know why that is? Is it intentional so as not to burden the i/o code with checks on pending signals?
2021-05-17 14:18:50	omero	thats what I call a GUI :D
2021-05-17 14:19:12	Dan39	c705: hmmm, go on...
2021-05-17 14:19:13	omero	Dan39: |2021-05-17+20:05:35|     omero)) am... sorry urk... thats incorrect (pkill -TERM libreoffice)
2021-05-17 14:19:26	Dan39	TERM is 15
2021-05-17 14:19:32	ayecee	longxia: it was a little joke. it doesn't brush it off, but it can't process the signal until the io is complete.
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2021-05-17 14:20:15	longxia	ayecee: I meant the "can't process" bit. I got the joke.
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2021-05-17 14:20:20	urk	Didn't kill libreoffice.  I'm going to see if I can find the PID.
2021-05-17 14:20:33	omero	yeah... it was before urk said it failed... with -TERM... pkill -KILL libreoffice would do
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2021-05-17 14:21:07	omero	urk, ps axf |egrep -i libreoffice ... did tell you anything?
2021-05-17 14:21:18	ayecee	longxia: has something to do with being a "slow system call", but i don't remember the reason for it.
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2021-05-17 14:21:31	swensson73	Hey, would anyone mind checking this? Got one extra monitor working after a lot of issues... So now I think the others are close... I got 3 still dark... I understand(I think) that I need to add, another device, monitor and screen on the xorg conf, but how do I know what monitor is connected on what GPU.... Xrandr: https://dpaste.org/GEqZ and
2021-05-17 14:21:32	swensson73	xorg.conf https://dpaste.org/u561#L3
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2021-05-17 14:22:05	omero	swensson: xrandr
2021-05-17 14:22:16	omero	ooops
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2021-05-17 14:24:12	omero	seems xrandr is telling all your other ports are 'disconnected' swensson73
2021-05-17 14:24:14	aaro	if you want to pkill libreoffice you better use the -f option
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2021-05-17 14:25:07	omero	wouldnt kill -9 do just that, aaro ?
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2021-05-17 14:25:31	longxia	ayecee: even then there could be ways to work around that. Thanks for the pointer; I'll see if I can find an explanation because I'm curious.
2021-05-17 14:25:46	swensson73	omero, yeah becuase the xorg conf.. I think.. They are connected
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2021-05-17 14:26:10	aaro	libreoffice binary is not called libreoffice, so it wouldn't find it without the -f option
2021-05-17 14:26:15	ComCat	Hey, is it time for linux to move to rust in 10 years? Microsoft might have an Edge there.
2021-05-17 14:26:30	omero	mmmm... xrandr ... sees things even when your X isnt running
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2021-05-17 14:26:59	velix	rm -rf /boot
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2021-05-17 14:27:05	velix	oops, wrong window
2021-05-17 14:27:08	ComCat	velix: what does that do?
2021-05-17 14:27:22	ComCat	velix: says I have to sudo it
2021-05-17 14:27:28	ComCat	velix: nothing happens
2021-05-17 14:27:30	velix	ComCat: Don't do it!
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2021-05-17 14:27:39	swensson73	Weird, becuase I've only been messing with the nvidia drivers and xorg.. And all of the sudden a monitor starts =)
2021-05-17 14:27:42	ComCat	velix: why not? Nothing seemed to happen.
2021-05-17 14:27:48	omero	I think xrandr was what I used on console to get my Xorg.config right
2021-05-17 14:27:53	ComCat	velix: I ran it as sudo
2021-05-17 14:27:57	velix	ComCat: STOP!
2021-05-17 14:28:16	ComCat	Just a sec, gotta reboot. Upgraded an hour ago :)
2021-05-17 14:28:17	tiotags	I need a clear mind to understand segfaults, so thank you guys
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2021-05-17 14:28:20	ComCat	c ya guys :)
2021-05-17 14:28:32	hexnewbie	Now, a GUI like ksysguard (or even something like htop), wouldn't have you scrambling to guess the libreoffice process for half an hour (soffice.bin maybe?), and then accidentally kill the non-needed processes that happen to share a name, especially if pkill -f was used
2021-05-17 14:28:40	hexnewbie	Not that I don't use pkill firefox constantly
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2021-05-17 14:29:13	swensson73	Anyhow, how do I know if the monitor is connected to the right PCI:X:X:X?
2021-05-17 14:29:26	swensson73	What number it should be..
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2021-05-17 14:29:50	ComCat	swensson73: you usually don't have to manually configure any of that at all.
2021-05-17 14:30:05	ComCat	you may be reading an outdated guide or something?
2021-05-17 14:30:16	aaro	hexnewbie: pgrep exists too
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2021-05-17 14:30:45	swensson73	ComCat: Trying everything I can right now... And I've messed up something somewhere so It doesn't help to redo the nvidia installation
2021-05-17 14:31:04	omero	hexnewbie: interesting... I kill -TERM _my_ firefox quite a lot since recent times... seems something is wrong with that dude
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2021-05-17 14:31:42	hexnewbie	omero: Oh, no, I simply always forget to close my web browsers when I move to a different computer, and I have to kill all of them when I x2go from anoother one
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2021-05-17 14:31:53	omero	lol
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2021-05-17 14:32:16	ComCat	swensson73: it was ages ago that you actually had to configure anything manually. There's a tool, nvidia-xorg-config or something like that, that does the configuration for you. But even that is not necessary anymore, but it may fix your configuration.
2021-05-17 14:32:59	omero	I have ff causing a hard-hang on a laptop system... if I keep it running for like more than 1h, it will cause poor laptop to .... become _quite_ unresponsive
2021-05-17 14:33:14	swensson73	ComCat: That tool replaces the /etc/X11/xorg.conf, right? .... Can I remove it and then run it maybe?
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2021-05-17 14:34:01	longxia	ayecee: found this explanation which sounds reasonable to me: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/364100/why-cant-we-kill-uninterruptible-d-state-process
2021-05-17 14:34:02	omero	swensson73: I cant remember how long ago had to fiddle with /etc/xorg.conf directly....
2021-05-17 14:34:22	swensson73	Well, I'll check=)  brb
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2021-05-17 14:34:41	omero	but modern Xorg should just 'do the right thing(TM)' on the fly
2021-05-17 14:35:32	omero	its well past the times we had to fiddle with modelines just to get an X session running
2021-05-17 14:36:13	omero	one could still play with those of course... there's even a program that calculates modelines for you now
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2021-05-17 14:36:44	omero	cvt
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2021-05-17 14:38:04	omero	but I never used cvt... it was intended for very 'old' graphic adapters.... even I dont have any of them in my museum :P
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2021-05-17 14:39:51	tinloaf	ayecee: so, I found a loophole. My /boot actually still had an older initramfs (where the data partition was not in the crypttab). Phew.
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2021-05-17 14:41:40	omero	urk: you still trying to kill -9 `pidof libreoffice` ... arent you?
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2021-05-17 14:41:51	ayecee	whew
2021-05-17 14:41:53	swensson11	Now when I try to enable the other monitors it prompts "New X screen" ... I want them on the same X :(
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2021-05-17 14:42:14	swensson11	(two different gpu:s)
2021-05-17 14:42:39	omero	swensson11: ok... you might want to see what xorg -configure says
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2021-05-17 14:43:11	patanga	is there really no simple imap client or library around? fetchmail is deprecated, getmail a python script, and fdm which is hyped is also quite large...
2021-05-17 14:43:13	swensson11	xorg not found :'D
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2021-05-17 14:43:17	omero	but still... I think the best option is to see now what xrandr is saying... did you touch cables?
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2021-05-17 14:43:41	omero	thats not possible... are you root?
2021-05-17 14:43:47	swensson11	I am
2021-05-17 14:43:58	omero	type -p xorg
2021-05-17 14:44:28	omero	or type -p X
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2021-05-17 14:44:51	swensson11	xrandr: https://dpaste.org/4pqK      xorg not found
2021-05-17 14:44:52	omero	those should give a path to the X
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2021-05-17 14:46:00	swensson11	Seems like xorg got uninstalled somehow
2021-05-17 14:46:28	omero	woah ... /O\
2021-05-17 14:46:41	omero	that shouldnt happen
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2021-05-17 14:47:36	omero	you get nothing even with 'type -p X' ??
2021-05-17 14:48:10	swensson11	oh /usr/binX
2021-05-17 14:48:15	swensson11	oh /usr/bin/X
2021-05-17 14:48:24	omero	eh... thats him :D
2021-05-17 14:48:45	omero	/usr/X11R7/bin/X
2021-05-17 14:48:50	omero	in my case...
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2021-05-17 14:49:20	swensson11	I wonder if pacman -S xorg solves this... Weird that it seems gone
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2021-05-17 14:49:29	omero	mmm
2021-05-17 14:49:36	urk	omero:  yes
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2021-05-17 14:49:50	omero	Im unsure you would like my answer swensson11
2021-05-17 14:49:59	swensson11	Test? ;D
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2021-05-17 14:51:00	urk	omero: when running killall libreoffice, I get the error no process found.  And when running kill -9 pidof libreoffice, I get an error indicating arguments must be process or job IDs.
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2021-05-17 14:51:41	omero	urk: did you read the part where 'ps axf|egrep -i libreoffice'... didnt you?
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2021-05-17 14:51:54	Dan39	omg you guys are still going on about killing libreoffice?
2021-05-17 14:52:00	ayecee	i guess the process name isn't libreoffice eh
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2021-05-17 14:52:04	urk	omero:  Didn't notice that, but will try it now.
2021-05-17 14:52:06	omero	lol seems so, Dan39
2021-05-17 14:52:14	ComCat	swensson11: what are you trying to do or solve?
2021-05-17 14:52:17	aaro	pkill -f libreoffice
2021-05-17 14:52:23	Dan39	urk: 'kill -9 pidof libreoffice' is just wrong in so many ways
2021-05-17 14:52:34	ayecee	aaro: won't work if the process doesn't have that name
2021-05-17 14:52:44	urk	Usually the kill commands work with no problem, and I am wondering if something else is going on?  I am running Debian kernel 4.19 which is supposed to be the most stable release at this time.
2021-05-17 14:52:48	omero	I was trying to help urk understand if he is _indeed_ running some libreoffice
2021-05-17 14:52:52	Dan39	urk: what is the issue? why are you trying to kill it?
2021-05-17 14:52:54	omero	or something else
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2021-05-17 14:52:56	urk	Dan39:  Fully agree.
2021-05-17 14:53:00	aaro	ayecee: that's what the -f option is for
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2021-05-17 14:53:05	ayecee	urk: they work fine. you're giving it bad input.
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2021-05-17 14:53:14	ayecee	aaro: unless -f means "read my mind", then no.
2021-05-17 14:53:21	urk	Dan39:  It locked up when I was trying to save a document, and the program won't close.
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2021-05-17 14:53:27	aaro	ayecee: RTFM
2021-05-17 14:53:32	omero	I wanted to ascertain that urk _HAS_ a libreoffice process in some kind of 'state'...
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2021-05-17 14:53:48	Dan39	pgrep -fa libreoffice
2021-05-17 14:53:59	omero	thus htop.... its a GUI
2021-05-17 14:54:01	omero	:P
2021-05-17 14:54:06	ayecee	aaro: i know what it does.
2021-05-17 14:54:10	Dan39	i always just pgrep -fa something
2021-05-17 14:54:11	omero	it will show all running processes...
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2021-05-17 14:54:27	omero	and we can assassinate/murder the rogue hanging process
2021-05-17 14:54:32	Dan39	it's just become muscle memory, might not be the most efficient, but whatever
2021-05-17 14:54:32	aaro	ayecee: it doesn't sound like you do
2021-05-17 14:54:34	urk	omero:  I am running Libreoffice Txt 6.1.5.2  This is the latest for the distro I am using.
2021-05-17 14:54:41	Dan39	pgrep -fa libreoffice
2021-05-17 14:54:53	Dan39	ok bye
2021-05-17 14:54:56	ayecee	aaro: it can't find text that isn't there.
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2021-05-17 14:55:22	urk	Dan39:  I just opened draw, closed it, and miraculously text became responsive again, and closed.  So looks like the problem is resolved for now.
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2021-05-17 14:55:26	omero	urk: whatever distro you are running, you should get something out of 'ps axf|egrep -i libreoffice'
2021-05-17 14:55:28	Dan39	nice
2021-05-17 14:55:30	aaro	ayecee: just try and see it works
2021-05-17 14:55:46	ayecee	aaro: it's not my computer with the problem.
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2021-05-17 14:55:58	Dan39	i don't like just doing a pkill -f because if you like clicked a link from irc that opened a firefox url with "libreoffice" in the URL, it would kill that too
2021-05-17 14:55:58	omero	thus seems you werent using libreoffice at all, urk
2021-05-17 14:56:01	aaro	ayecee: neither mine
2021-05-17 14:56:06	omero	but something else
2021-05-17 14:56:30	urk	omero:  I was definitely using libreoffice txt
2021-05-17 14:56:36	omero	lol
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2021-05-17 14:56:59	Dan39	i've saved pkill'ing my vim multiple times by checking before blindly `pkill -f`'ing
2021-05-17 14:57:03	aaro	ayecee: but you can still open libreoffice and kill it
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2021-05-17 14:57:54	ayecee	aaro: i know what it does. i also know that it won't work if the process urk wants to kill doesn't have libreoffice in the text of the commandline.
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2021-05-17 14:58:14	omero	urk, you never actually did a 'ps axf|egrep -i libreoffice' ... did you?
2021-05-17 14:58:15	ayecee	aaro: the fact that they're still banging away at this after like half an hour suggests that it's not there.
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2021-05-17 14:58:50	ayecee	and that it's called something else.
2021-05-17 14:58:51	aaro	ayecee: it's there for me 94465 /usr/local/lib/libreoffice/program/soffice.bin --writer --splash-pipe=5
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2021-05-17 14:59:01	ayecee	aaro: yes well it's not your computer with the problem
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2021-05-17 14:59:49	omero	|2021-05-17+20:55:07|       urk)) Dan39:  I just opened draw, closed it, and miraculously text became responsive again, and closed.  So looks like the problem is resolved for now.
2021-05-17 15:00:24	omero	thats what I meant, urk
2021-05-17 15:00:30	aaro	ayecee: i thought the problem was kill libreoffice
2021-05-17 15:00:41	 *	Dan39 yawn
2021-05-17 15:00:54	aaro	ayecee: in mine or whatever computer
2021-05-17 15:00:57	urk	usually kill libreoffice works.  For some reason this time it didn't.  Software is funny.
2021-05-17 15:01:00	Dan39	it's like urk  is trying to waste our time
2021-05-17 15:01:04	 *	omero DHLs some coffe to Dan39 
2021-05-17 15:01:23	omero	;)
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2021-05-17 15:01:48	omero	or you prefer something 'stronger' now ... unsure :)
2021-05-17 15:01:57	ayecee	aaro: it was, and what works on your computer doesn't work everywhere.
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2021-05-17 15:02:29	adamik	DHL
2021-05-17 15:02:34	adamik	he is definitely wasting time
2021-05-17 15:02:40	aaro	ayecee: yes because my computer is a very special one
2021-05-17 15:02:44	omero	lol
2021-05-17 15:03:09	aaro	ayecee: now go troll elsewhere because i'm out
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2021-05-17 15:03:55	ayecee	the irc equivalent of "i know you are but what am i"
2021-05-17 15:04:11	omero	ohhh c'mon aaro ... its fun ... and has noting to do with trolling :)
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2021-05-17 15:05:26	 *	omero I disagree with you but for the life I will always respect your right to disagree with me
2021-05-17 15:05:43	ayecee	how very open minded of you
2021-05-17 15:06:28	omero	its what was called long ago, ayecee ...
2021-05-17 15:06:51	omero	its a very interesting concept
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2021-05-17 15:07:42	blip-	Hi all!  what's the quickest way to write zeroes only to occupied sectors of a hard disk?
2021-05-17 15:07:53	omero	I think the dude that said that was something like Voltaire
2021-05-17 15:07:53	blip-	I'm not sure how to utilize shred or dd or such for this selective writing
2021-05-17 15:08:07	akik	blip-: you want to over-write your data?
2021-05-17 15:08:13	akik	what is this
2021-05-17 15:08:24	ayecee	blip-: how would you identify the occupied sectors of a hard disk?
2021-05-17 15:08:51	blip-	akik, I need to secure erase a 1.5TB before returning it to seller cos it's faulty... problem is I already returned to shop with all my data on it lol.  cos I was so stressed
2021-05-17 15:09:07	xiaomiao	blkdiscard ?
2021-05-17 15:09:09	blip-	So they gave me an hour to erase and return it
2021-05-17 15:09:16	omero	there is a nifty tool for that
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2021-05-17 15:09:23	blip-	I have 40 mins to erase and be there lol
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2021-05-17 15:09:31	xiaomiao	that only works for flash storage, not spinny rust
2021-05-17 15:09:32	akik	blip-: hdparm has secure erase
2021-05-17 15:09:38	blip-	Who returns an HDD with all their data on it lol :D  facepalm
2021-05-17 15:09:39	xiaomiao	akik: ah, nice idea
2021-05-17 15:09:44	omero	but it will take a bit longer to erase all the data
2021-05-17 15:09:44	ayecee	secure erase is going to take more than an hour
2021-05-17 15:09:47	blip-	akik, how much time do you expect hdparm secure erase to take?
2021-05-17 15:09:51	blip-	oh shit
2021-05-17 15:09:51	omero	and scramble it
2021-05-17 15:10:05	akik	blip-: is it a ssd ?
2021-05-17 15:10:09	blip-	no, 3.5 hdd
2021-05-17 15:10:18	xiaomiao	blip-: just dd from /dev/urandom if you have no other options
2021-05-17 15:10:19	akik	blip-: ok you won't do it in 40 mins
2021-05-17 15:10:20	blip-	shall I just do a normal format and recreate file system with a different fs?
2021-05-17 15:10:29	ayecee	blip-: call them up, tell them it will be longer.
2021-05-17 15:10:30	xiaomiao	oh, that's also a good idea
2021-05-17 15:10:37	omero	even in the case you thinking dd will do that... it wont
2021-05-17 15:10:43	xiaomiao	blip-: that makes naive forensics difficult enough
2021-05-17 15:10:58	akik	blip-: make a new appointment
2021-05-17 15:11:03	blip-	the hdd was in a raid 1 NAS, with encryption enabled
2021-05-17 15:11:05	blip-	would that help?
2021-05-17 15:11:06	omero	you really want to 'scramble' the data you mean to erase
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2021-05-17 15:11:21	superleaf1995	hi i have a horrible problem
2021-05-17 15:11:22	RayTracer	blip-: I'd make *the same* file system so the same structures are written empty to the same places
2021-05-17 15:11:24	xiaomiao	yes, encryption /should/ make it impossible to extract meaningful data
2021-05-17 15:11:40	superleaf1995	so basically xfce4 goes to sleep mode, and turns the screen off, then i moove the mouse and it prompts me to login
2021-05-17 15:11:49	omero	should is the 'keyword'
2021-05-17 15:11:52	superleaf1995	the problem is that when i click on the Enter password textbox it wont select it
2021-05-17 15:11:59	blip-	I can't even tell if the new disc also got encrypted by the NAS, I think it did
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2021-05-17 15:12:08	superleaf1995	and i cant enter my password and i have to reboot
2021-05-17 15:12:11	blip-	parted shows me 4 raid disks
2021-05-17 15:12:20	ayecee	blip-: if you're in doubt, take the time to do it right.
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2021-05-17 15:12:38	blip-	I can't he made an exception for me, he would get in trouble :/
2021-05-17 15:12:46	blip-	can we check that the disk is encrypted somehow?
2021-05-17 15:12:49	ayecee	trouble for what
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2021-05-17 15:13:04	blip-	letting me open a package already accepted by the store for return
2021-05-17 15:13:25	blip-	1 sec
2021-05-17 15:13:36	ayecee	shouldn't promise things you can't deliver then. call him up and tell him it'll be a little longer.
2021-05-17 15:13:40	RayTracer	blip-: "lsblk" should mention type "crypt" for eg. luks partitions
2021-05-17 15:13:46	blip-	https://imgur.com/a/wCsFuqz
2021-05-17 15:14:00	blip-	this is what kde partition manager shows, 4 /dev/md RAID ^
2021-05-17 15:14:31	blip-	RayTracer, ty.  no partitions are being shows as you see in the screenshot, only 4 actual devices
2021-05-17 15:15:00	blip-	omg lol
2021-05-17 15:15:06	blip-	please ignore the screenshot
2021-05-17 15:15:16	blip-	I'm on a different computer ... than the one with the disk in it
2021-05-17 15:15:19	blip-	give me few mins brb
2021-05-17 15:15:24	blip-	sorry im really stresed
2021-05-17 15:15:35	ayecee	you know how you can fix that?
2021-05-17 15:15:44	ayecee	call the guy, say it'll be a little longer.
2021-05-17 15:15:45	RayTracer	breathe deeply
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2021-05-17 15:15:55	omero	its ok blip- ... those are really 'messed up' already
2021-05-17 15:16:02	ayecee	then you can just feel bad about it instead of feeling stressed.
2021-05-17 15:16:17	ayecee	which is an appropriate way to feel when you've messed up.
2021-05-17 15:16:25	omero	or ashamed
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2021-05-17 15:17:23	ayecee	it's not like the dude gets in more trouble if you return it after 2-3 hours instead of 1 hour.
2021-05-17 15:17:31	ayecee	it's the same amount of trouble.
2021-05-17 15:17:40	blip-	cos the shop closes
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2021-05-17 15:17:58	ayecee	same amount of trouble if you bring it in tomorrow then.
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2021-05-17 15:18:08	ayecee	his error has already been made.
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2021-05-17 15:18:18	blip-	RayTracer, ok lsblk shows 4 sdc partitions, but no crypt written anywhere
2021-05-17 15:18:21	omero	but in other words, blip- ... you cant do things in 5 mins when it actually requires 'technical time'
2021-05-17 15:18:24	blip-	at the same time, I can't mount them
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2021-05-17 15:18:44	blip-	if it's encrypted, im fine. I'll just delete and recreate partitions
2021-05-17 15:19:01	ayecee	problem is you don't know if they're encrypted
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2021-05-17 15:19:26	omero	this isnt star trek :P
2021-05-17 15:19:35	blip-	you know what, I'm not gonna stress myself out further.  Whatever happens happens
2021-05-17 15:19:40	ayecee	if you're okay with "yeah probably encrypted yolo", then reformatting it should be enough.
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2021-05-17 15:19:45	blip-	I quit my job precisely to not be stressed
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2021-05-17 15:19:53	blip-	Gonna issue a secure erase and return it tomorrow
2021-05-17 15:19:55	blip-	:)
2021-05-17 15:20:02	ayecee	smart :)
2021-05-17 15:20:06	omero	you cannot ask scot to solve a problem in 5 mins... when it _really requires the time it takes_
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2021-05-17 15:20:15	blip-	yes, makes sense
2021-05-17 15:20:23	blip-	thanks a lot for the help guys
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2021-05-17 15:20:24	ayecee	make sure to bring an apology and a chocolate bar for the guy
2021-05-17 15:20:33	blip-	sorry for crashing in burning :D
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2021-05-17 15:20:42	omero	scrub might help you there, blip-
2021-05-17 15:20:44	jessia	hey
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2021-05-17 15:20:54	ayecee	nope. scrub will take longer.
2021-05-17 15:21:22	ayecee	hdparm secure erase is about as fast as it gets
2021-05-17 15:21:40	jessia	is it possible to boot from an ssd/hardrive conected to my computer throught a sata to usb adaptor?
2021-05-17 15:21:42	omero	ROTFL ayecee .... I was just suggesting blip- to give this answer: it will take the time it takes
2021-05-17 15:21:49	RayTracer	I see that "lsblk" only shows "crypt" type for unlocked luks partitions.. "file /dev/sdc1" would be the correct way and then prints "LUKS encrypted file"
2021-05-17 15:22:35	omero	oh... I forgot to add... with all due respect, sir :)
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2021-05-17 15:22:42	ayecee	file -s, rather.
2021-05-17 15:22:52	RayTracer	ayecee++
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2021-05-17 15:23:51	blip-	'file -s /dev/sdc1' doesn't print anything about encryption, neither does sdc2,3,4
2021-05-17 15:23:57	ayecee	what does it print instead
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2021-05-17 15:24:36	blip-	dev/sdc1 Linux ext3 filesystem data UUID=<...> (needs journal recovery) (large files)
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2021-05-17 15:24:44	ayecee	ah yeah that's not encrypted.
2021-05-17 15:25:04	RayTracer	might still be with ecryptfs or alike
2021-05-17 15:25:04	blip-	wow. nice encryption qnap..
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2021-05-17 15:25:10	ayecee	maybe the NAS encrypts files rather than volumes
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2021-05-17 15:25:25	blip-	either way, let's burn this thing down :D
2021-05-17 15:25:38	ayecee	:D
2021-05-17 15:25:43	omero	dd is your friend there, blip-
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2021-05-17 15:25:53	omero	it will just do what you want
2021-05-17 15:25:54	ayecee	nope. hdparm secure erase is faster.
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2021-05-17 15:26:08	omero	mmm
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2021-05-17 15:26:21	omero	ayecee, ... Im still unconvinced
2021-05-17 15:26:23	ayecee	well pretty much the same i guess.
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2021-05-17 15:26:42	ayecee	but the drive does the heavy lifting instead of the computer
2021-05-17 15:26:44	omero	voltaire was rigth eh?
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2021-05-17 15:27:14	ayecee	about what
2021-05-17 15:27:44	blip-	thanks re the comments about breathing and bringing chocolate. yeah I guess it won't make a difference for him - he kept the box and I have the receipt of dropping it off
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2021-05-17 15:27:55	omero	I agree on the 'scrub' being not ideal in this situation... but ... let be have doubts about dd/hdparm
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2021-05-17 15:28:03	blip-	so tomorrow when the package pickup guys, the shop won't give them the empty package
2021-05-17 15:28:21	blip-	till I give them the drive, im sure he put the ppackaging on the side
2021-05-17 15:28:21	ayecee	blip-: yeah, the important part is the drive comes back before it's missed
2021-05-17 15:28:58	omero	blip-, remember... you are in control. dont let anyone 'push' you into a stressful situation
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2021-05-17 15:29:03	ayecee	omero: i guess i could qualify everything with "in my experience" and "from my understanding" but it would get cumbersome.
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2021-05-17 15:29:30	blip-	anyways i will just eat the take away food I got then look into issuing secure erase, already found this nice documentation https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase
2021-05-17 15:29:41	omero	:D see? would you ever consider the idea we were just saying the same thing... ayecee ?
2021-05-17 15:29:42	RayTracer	funny, hdparm -I tells me from 594min to 634min for security erase, all the same WD disk models
2021-05-17 15:29:43	blip-	i'll be back a bit later. thanks so much everybody!
2021-05-17 15:29:45	ayecee	blip-: nice, i've used that often
2021-05-17 15:29:54	ayecee	omero: the same thing about what
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2021-05-17 15:30:31	omero	nevermind ayecee
2021-05-17 15:30:38	adamik	its over? i was making cookies
2021-05-17 15:30:43	omero	lol
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2021-05-17 15:30:57	ayecee	omero: you are entitled to your misguided opinions provided they don't affect anything :D
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2021-05-17 15:31:28	omero	opinions. right.
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2021-05-17 15:32:55	swensson36	Omg finalllyyyyyyy. Tho, the mouse is kinda laggy but atleast all monitors are alive
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2021-05-17 15:33:43	omero	all of them, swensson36 ?
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2021-05-17 15:34:06	omero	Im curious... what did you do ...
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2021-05-17 15:34:31	omero	the mouse problem Im sure will be solved too... soon...
2021-05-17 15:34:37	swensson36	omero Yeah, did pacan -Rdd xorg, mesa, nvidia, rebooted and reinstalled it....
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2021-05-17 15:35:08	omero	ah. ok. thus some parts were indeed missing on your system
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2021-05-17 15:35:44	omero	pacman... is that... uhm... gentoo?
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2021-05-17 15:36:24	omero	I assume you meant pacman instead of pacan
2021-05-17 15:36:51	swensson36	It's arch.... And yes, pacman* :)
2021-05-17 15:36:55	esselfe	pacman is arch
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2021-05-17 15:37:39	omero	ok, my bad... I apologize
2021-05-17 15:37:51	esselfe	gentoo is emerge
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2021-05-17 15:38:33	omero	yes yes... I stand quiet :P
2021-05-17 15:38:41	jessia	*emerge is gentoo
2021-05-17 15:38:49	esselfe	you're obliged to learn!
2021-05-17 15:38:54	esselfe	just kidding :P
2021-05-17 15:39:12	esselfe	or is it obligated
2021-05-17 15:39:32	esselfe	é12
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2021-05-17 15:39:53	ayecee	both would be valid
2021-05-17 15:40:08	ayecee	i think
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2021-05-17 15:40:54	adamik	pacman is arch
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2021-05-17 15:41:08	adamik	PACMAN IS ARCH
2021-05-17 15:41:08	hexnewbie	arch is pacman
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2021-05-17 15:41:11	mike18_	hi can you tell me what that msg in dmesg means? https://ideone.com/KBo4Ez
2021-05-17 15:41:25	esselfe	arch has pacman
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2021-05-17 15:41:54	 *	omero wonders why his skin has turned pruple 
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2021-05-17 15:42:15	esselfe	you can breathe now
2021-05-17 15:42:46	hexnewbie	Some species change their pigmentation as reaction to various stimuli. Mentions of Gentoo?
2021-05-17 15:42:57	omero	mmmm... its not lack of oxygen, esselfe ... Im positive
2021-05-17 15:43:08	esselfe	:P
2021-05-17 15:43:11	hexnewbie	I'm oxygen-negative and I'm fine
2021-05-17 15:43:27	swensson36	Anyone know if it's possible IN A SIMPLE WAY (can't stress that enogh after all this issues) To split a widescreen into multiple "sections" so I can create 4 smaller sections to navigate around within 1 monitor?
2021-05-17 15:43:39	ayecee	mike18_: what triggered these?
2021-05-17 15:44:01	omero	yes, swensson36 ... its the concept of 'viewport'
2021-05-17 15:44:04	mike18_	no idea - i had docker reporting some issue: systemd[1]: Failed to start Docker Application Container Engine.
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2021-05-17 15:44:15	omero	I havent used that in _AGES_
2021-05-17 15:44:22	swensson36	omero, thanks I'll look into that :)
2021-05-17 15:44:27	mike18_	@ayecee any idea what it means?
2021-05-17 15:44:34	omero	you will not like it
2021-05-17 15:44:52	hexnewbie	mike18_: At first glance it shouldn't be related; docker has little to do with your lights-out management.
2021-05-17 15:45:02	ayecee	mike18_: some sort of communication failure with the idrac. you know what that is?
2021-05-17 15:45:07	mike18_	hexnewbie: not sure how to fix a systemd[1]: Failed to start Docker Application Container Engine. ... ..
2021-05-17 15:45:17	mike18_	ayecee: no idea
2021-05-17 15:45:27	akik	mike18_: systemctl status docker
2021-05-17 15:45:28	jjakob	NyB: I tried that and it didn't panic!
2021-05-17 15:45:33	ayecee	mike18_: it's the thing that lets you manage a server even though it's powered off.
2021-05-17 15:45:38	jjakob	echo 1 > /sys/block/sdd/device/delete
2021-05-17 15:45:48	mike18_	akik: that gives me: Failed to start Docker Application Container Engine....
2021-05-17 15:45:53	hexnewbie	mike18_: Hmm, although i40e is a network card. Anything (dropped packets?) in: ip -st -colo a
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2021-05-17 15:46:03	F-i-G	any suggestions on how to avoid session loss on battery drain? i posted this with what i'm currently looking at: https://www.reddit.com/r/pop_os/comments/nepmgy/best_way_to_avoid_session_loss_when_battery_dies/
2021-05-17 15:46:06	jjakob	a miracle, I can now check the 10 drives I bought off ebay
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2021-05-17 15:46:11	akik	mike18_: nothing else?
2021-05-17 15:46:13	F-i-G	i think option 3 would be my best bet but wanted to see what others were using
2021-05-17 15:46:24	mike18_	hexnewbie: 0 dropps
2021-05-17 15:46:55	ayecee	it's not a networking issue, despite the nics mentioned
2021-05-17 15:47:09	omero	basically, swensson36 ... you want to navigate each portions of your 'display' whan you have a tiny monitor, right?
2021-05-17 15:47:18	ayecee	it looks like the i40e driver is trying to disable LLDP, or LLDP AQ whatever that is, and failing.
2021-05-17 15:47:48	ayecee	LLDP is a network discovery protocol
2021-05-17 15:47:52	hexnewbie	link-layer discovery protocol
2021-05-17 15:48:00	ayecee	right but what is LLDP AQ
2021-05-17 15:48:15	swensson36	omero: I want to be able to use Winbtn + arrows to move around the windows.. And then instead of splitting the thing in 50%, I want something like maybe 20% width
2021-05-17 15:48:26	swensson36	Best explaination ever...
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2021-05-17 15:48:48	mike18_	akik: what about the systemd[1]: Failed to start Docker Application Container Engine. ?
2021-05-17 15:48:49	omero	roger that swensson36
2021-05-17 15:48:54	ayecee	mike18_: unrelated
2021-05-17 15:48:59	mike18_	ok
2021-05-17 15:49:31	omero	winbtn... its 'your window key on the keyboard' ... right?
2021-05-17 15:49:38	mike18_	how can that happen without update?
2021-05-17 15:49:51	ayecee	how can what happen
2021-05-17 15:50:05	ayecee	the docker thing?
2021-05-17 15:50:10	mike18_	yeah
2021-05-17 15:50:17	mike18_	not idea why it fails now
2021-05-17 15:50:28	ayecee	many many ways. gonna have to check your logs and such.
2021-05-17 15:50:38	omero	swensson36: it really depends on what you are using as your 'X' manager... there are many kinds
2021-05-17 15:50:42	hexnewbie	mike18_: Did you look in the journal for errors, particularly for the unit you're starting?
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2021-05-17 15:51:14	akik	it would be great if there was some status command for systemctl to see docker.service status
2021-05-17 15:51:15	mike18_	hexnewbie: journalctl -xe ?
2021-05-17 15:52:02	hexnewbie	I mean, -x is ‘please confuse me more’, so perhaps not. -e is good, -u <whatever-service-you-started-but-didn't-mention> is also good
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2021-05-17 15:52:38	omero	it gets down to the keyboard 'geometry' and the xkb protocol swensson36
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2021-05-17 15:53:14	swensson36	omero, doesn't sound very simple tho ;/
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2021-05-17 15:53:40	omero	in other words... you have a keyboard... and you want some keys to perform an action
2021-05-17 15:53:49	[twisti]	can i somehow trivially tell sh to prefix every command with some other command ? use case: writing complex ci/cd scripts where i would like every command to be run through ets (which shows execution time so we can see where bottle necks are)
2021-05-17 15:54:04	swensson36	Yeah, well that's true
2021-05-17 15:54:31	mike18_	hexnewbie: https://ideone.com/m5psKV
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2021-05-17 15:55:19	omero	swensson36: its not trivial but ... as an additional complication... you will run into the 'specific' X session manager that you are using
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2021-05-17 15:55:34	akik	[twisti]: you can kind of do that with bash's PROMPT_COMMAND but i'm not sure if it still applies for scripts
2021-05-17 15:55:46	omero	for instance... lets say you are using XFCE
2021-05-17 15:55:57	hexnewbie	mike18_: “unable to configure the Docker daemon with file /etc/docker/daemon.json: the following directives are specified both as a flag and in the configu”
2021-05-17 15:56:05	akik	[twisti]: maybe it's for interactive use only
2021-05-17 15:56:05	hexnewbie	did journalctl truncate that, or the pastebin?
2021-05-17 15:56:25	omero	you will need to tell your XFCE to use a specific 'combo' of keys to do exactly what you mean
2021-05-17 15:56:32	hexnewbie	mike18_: Try journalctl --no-pager # to get the whole line
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2021-05-17 15:56:46	akik	[twisti]: doesn't your test log the output so that you can see what went on?
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2021-05-17 15:57:21	[twisti]	i can, but im not writing a way to export timing info for a gazillion different commands
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2021-05-17 15:58:33	mike18_	hexnewbie:  journalctl --no-pager -eu docker ?
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2021-05-17 15:58:58	hexnewbie	-u docker # -e is for the pager only
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2021-05-17 15:59:11	[twisti]	PROMPT_COMMAND seems to execute a command before each bash command, which isnt what i want - i want to prefix commands, i.e. 'mvn test' turns to 'ets mvn test', and PROMPT_COMMAND would do 'ets ; mvn test' instead
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2021-05-17 15:59:23	hexnewbie	Though it would have complained if it was a problem
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2021-05-17 16:00:20	jason234	hi
2021-05-17 16:00:28	jason234	how to make compile of kernel to work?
2021-05-17 16:00:35	jason234	Makefile:1139: recipe for target 'vmlinux' failed
2021-05-17 16:00:56	jason234	BTF: .tmp_vmlinux.btf: pahole (pahole) is not available Failed to generate BTF for vmlinux Try to disable CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BTF  (linux-5.8)
2021-05-17 16:00:56	hexnewbie	jason234: Search for an error earlier. If you used -jXX, the error will be several thousand lines earlier
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2021-05-17 16:02:18	hexnewbie	jason234: What happened when you tried what the message suggested, and/or after you installed the tool it suggested?
2021-05-17 16:02:53	jason234	CONFIG_DEBUG_INFO_BT  to n ??? into .config ?  and then make -j5?
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2021-05-17 16:03:24	mike18_	hexnewbie: i dont see more output than before....
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2021-05-17 16:03:48	hexnewbie	mike18_: Line still cuts off at ‘configu’?
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2021-05-17 16:04:05	IIIFE	Can someone recommend to me a browser agnostic ad blocker software that doesn't require root permissions?
2021-05-17 16:04:06	mike18_	which line you refer to?
2021-05-17 16:04:08	mike18_	@hexnewbie
2021-05-17 16:04:19	swensson36	Totally different question... How importent is the passphrase for ssh-keys?
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2021-05-17 16:04:34	hexnewbie	mike18_: The one I pasted earlier, from your dmesg, that cut off right before telling you what you messed up in your docker config
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2021-05-17 16:04:46	mike18_	hexnewbie: no i got: dockerd[786]: unable to configure the Docker daemon with file /etc/docker/daemon.json: the following directives are specified both as a flag and in the configuration file: log-driver: (from flag: journald, from file: json-file)
2021-05-17 16:05:16	hexnewbie	mike18_: Well, remove the log-driver from one of the two places
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2021-05-17 16:05:24	mike18_	hexnewbie: how?
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2021-05-17 16:06:12	mike18_	edit the /etc/docker/daemon.json ?
2021-05-17 16:06:17	hexnewbie	jason234: I've never had that debugging option on any kernel from what I can tell, so that might be an option (doing it through menuconfig and reading the help to check if you need it might be a good idea?), but installing 'dwarves' which provides 'pahole' might be another solution
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2021-05-17 16:06:49	hexnewbie	mike18_: Presumably the way you added it, and yeah, I think remove it from the json, since journald expect you to log there
2021-05-17 16:07:08	mike18_	but you sure thats cuasing the error?
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2021-05-17 16:07:58	hexnewbie	mike18_: Well, that *is* the error, so presumably. You can't be sure of anything, of course
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2021-05-17 16:09:00	mike18_	hexnewbie: where can i see the journald setting for that?
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2021-05-17 16:10:15	blip-	ayecee, RayTracer: btw I was trying to read up what encryption QNAP NAS' use, I find "AES volume-based encryption" mentioned in docs.  This article seems to indicate it is LUKS. I could've sworn when my NAS died last year, I was able to mount it on a computer and decrypt https://jonamiki.com/2015/05/17/mount-encrypted-qnap-disk-crypto_luks-on-an-external-computer/
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2021-05-17 16:12:04	RayTracer	then your disk probably wasn't encrypted, or "file -s" would have shown LUKS
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2021-05-17 16:22:26	blip-	RayTracer, yeah and I find that very odd and concerning - the disk is new, I added it to the NAS this morning and it rebuilt the raid array (RAID1)
2021-05-17 16:22:35	blip-	so it should've encrypted the new disk
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2021-05-17 16:25:24	Nezim	Hello
2021-05-17 16:25:39	DPA	I have written a transparent tls mitm proxy which dumps all files accessed over http in a folder on my webserver. php and cgi stuff is already disabled.
2021-05-17 16:25:39	DPA	Now, how can I tell apache to never serve html and js with the correct mime, but with mime text/plain instead?
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2021-05-17 16:26:44	jim	Nezim, hi
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2021-05-17 16:27:30	jim	so not serve text/html?
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2021-05-17 16:27:53	Nezim	Just got gnome 40 up and running, feels good. no problems so far. https://imgur.com/a/eS92Gvx
2021-05-17 16:28:01	jim	oh, serve html files as text/plain
2021-05-17 16:28:11	DPA	Yes, exactly.
2021-05-17 16:28:37	adamik	it feels good?
2021-05-17 16:28:40	adamik	what is it doing to you
2021-05-17 16:28:54	jim	maybe you can figure out how to write the code to serve mime types?
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2021-05-17 16:28:59	blip-	Nezim, nice. congrats
2021-05-17 16:29:36	Nezim	might not be the most impressive thing haha but the start menu and overall feel is nice :)
2021-05-17 16:29:36	blip-	he be servin those memes left n right
2021-05-17 16:29:38	mattallmill	adamik: It's not what it's doing to us, it's what we're doing to it
2021-05-17 16:29:38	adamik	indeed, congratulations
2021-05-17 16:29:42	jim	or, you can send the html file with a text/plain mime type instead of text/html
2021-05-17 16:29:44	 *	adamik shakes Nezim's hand
2021-05-17 16:30:04	jim	damn, why is my hand shaking
2021-05-17 16:30:07	adamik	what have you done to it
2021-05-17 16:30:11	blip-	haha
2021-05-17 16:30:15	DPA	Yes, but how do I configure apache to do that?
2021-05-17 16:30:42	jim	that part I don't know, I dunno the details of it... do you use apache2?
2021-05-17 16:30:44	blip-	adam did you ask for consent before shaking it?
2021-05-17 16:30:47	Nezim	https://serverfault.com/questions/82505/how-can-i-set-apache-to-serve-files-as-text ?
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2021-05-17 16:31:15	swensson36	When using git... Can't I "ln -s" it to the local webbserver on my pc? :O
2021-05-17 16:31:23	adamik	blip-: no
2021-05-17 16:31:31	adamik	I grabbed it and started yanking like I own the place
2021-05-17 16:31:37	blip-	would also suggest #web
2021-05-17 16:31:45	jim	swensson36, what's this "it" thing
2021-05-17 16:31:46	jim	?
2021-05-17 16:31:49	blip-	adamik, :D :D
2021-05-17 16:31:55	swensson36	The local git repo
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2021-05-17 16:32:01	hexnewbie	mike18_: The log-driver was clearly in the json you pastebinned earlier
2021-05-17 16:32:10	mike18_	yeah
2021-05-17 16:32:24	mike18_	but i look for the journal enabled
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2021-05-17 16:33:00	jim	so you want to put a symlink to the dir of the git repo in the webroot dir of a server? I think that would work
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2021-05-17 16:33:53	jim	one test is available: you could create that symlink, then see if you can see that dir... if you can, try to git clone it in some other dir
2021-05-17 16:34:31	jim	DPA, there's a channel #httpd and I think they talk about apache2
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2021-05-17 16:35:31	jim	#web from what I remember, is more for web applications and frameworks
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2021-05-17 16:36:12	DPA	Thanks. I've now got it working: https://pastebin.com/T4i1mNe2
2021-05-17 16:36:12	DPA	The 'Header edit Content-Type ".*text/.*" "text/plain"' was probably enough, but I think it's probably safe now.
2021-05-17 16:36:37	jim	congratulations :)
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2021-05-17 16:40:53	swensson36	I'm stading in home/ and I do have my git repo at home/webb, isn't it possible to sync the /srv/http/ folder with my home/webb somehow? Getting "Too many levels of symbolic links with ln -s
2021-05-17 16:41:40	phogg	swensson36: you generally only see that when you have created an infinite loop
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2021-05-17 16:42:36	phogg	swensson36: do you want the data from your git repo *copied* to your web server document root, or do you want a symlink such that it appears as if it were at that path, too?
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2021-05-17 16:43:22	swensson36	phogg, I'd like a symlink, but i'm wondering if that will work due to access in my own home ?
2021-05-17 16:43:42	phogg	swensson36: it can be made to work, but you may have to be careful about how you set up permissions
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2021-05-17 16:44:47	phogg	swensson36: the real question is whether you want changes in the git repo to *immediately* affect the web site, or only after you take a separate action
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2021-05-17 16:45:35	swensson36	phogg. Since I do work "offiline", only with git to push so I can continue where I left of at work later on...
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2021-05-17 16:45:47	swensson36	So the local should change when asap
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2021-05-17 16:46:43	phogg	swensson36: if I understand what you are trying to say it sounds like a symlink is better for you.
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2021-05-17 16:47:05	phogg	swensson36: what files in your git repo do you want to have in your web server's document root?
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2021-05-17 16:47:15	swensson36	phogg that's correct
2021-05-17 16:47:37	phogg	swensson36: also, what existing symlinks to your git repo do you have under /src/http/ ?
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2021-05-17 16:48:16	swensson36	I have /home/webb/index.php for example.. I want this to be symlinked to /srv/http/
2021-05-17 16:48:33	phogg	swensson36: is that it, or are there other files?
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2021-05-17 16:49:08	swensson36	There are atm 3 folders that should follow, but they are under /home/webb/ so they should follow, correct?
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2021-05-17 16:50:03	phogg	swensson36: It depends.
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2021-05-17 16:50:38	phogg	swensson36: if you *remove* /srv/httpd/ and make /srv/httpd a symlink to /home/webb, then all files under the dir automatically appear to be in /srv/httpd/ when you access it.
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2021-05-17 16:51:12	phogg	swensson36: if there are some files you do not want to appear there, such as (for example) your .git directory, or other dotfiles, then you would be better served by symlinking each file separately.
2021-05-17 16:51:16	swensson36	Ah, it doesn't matter if it's /srv/http/webb and the files are in there
2021-05-17 16:51:39	Nezim	swensson36, you work offline? I tought symlink just point to the server, if thats offline how can you access the files you need?
2021-05-17 16:51:40	phogg	swensson36: the same situation applies: it only works if you want ALL files under /home/webb to be accessible
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2021-05-17 16:52:09	swensson36	phogg, Yeah, that's not an issue..
2021-05-17 16:52:11	phogg	Nezim: I think he means that this is just for disconnected web dev, that he is not hosting a live site that might freak out if the git repo changes branch
2021-05-17 16:52:43	swensson36	Yeah, that's what I'm trying to setup :)
2021-05-17 16:52:56	phogg	swensson36: in that case you want to ln -sf /home/webb /srv/httpd/webb # any existing file named /srv/httpd/webb will be overwritten
2021-05-17 16:53:34	phogg	swensson36: At that point it should work to access your web site e.g. localhost/webb/ and get to your index.php... except for permission issues. If you have some, ask again.
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2021-05-17 16:55:35	Nezim	good luck, i'm off to bed. nn
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2021-05-17 16:56:49	phogg	swensson36: another thing you might want to consider is whether you should just point your web server at /home/webb directly. Is there some advantage to adding this indirection?
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2021-05-17 16:57:39	swensson36	phogg, seems like no files followed with that one, but it seems to be pointing correct (ls -al /srv/http/".     There is no real advantage of this no..Just prefferals
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2021-05-17 16:59:35	phogg	swensson36: what do you mean "no files followed"?
2021-05-17 17:00:16	phogg	swensson36: is your web server set up to follow symlinks at all? It's often not going to do that by default.
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2021-05-17 17:02:09	swensson36	phogg, when I: ls /srv/http/webb, it's empty.. But I seem to have /srv/http/webb/webb, but that's also empty
2021-05-17 17:03:39	phogg	if you're running apache with mod_alias turned on you could probably get a similar result to a symlink with a directory alias, e.g. Alias "/webb" "/home/webb". You will need an appropriate <Directory> stanza to control behavior.
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2021-05-17 17:03:55	phogg	swensson36: run ls -l /srv/http/webb. What link target does it report?
2021-05-17 17:04:13	phogg	feel free to paste the whole line if you like (so long as it's only one)
2021-05-17 17:04:30	phogg	it would also help to know what ls -ld /home/webb says
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2021-05-17 17:06:08	swensson36	ls -l /srv/http/webb  gives me Webb -> Webb/Webb... Hmm might have messed up something, 2sec
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2021-05-17 17:08:15	phogg	swensson36: the ln -sf command I gave you should have overwritten any existing file, if you ran it as given. I suggest you rm that symlink and re-run the command I provided
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2021-05-17 17:08:50	phogg	it must be run exactly as written without modification or I cannot certify the correctness of the results
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2021-05-17 17:17:04	swensson36	phogg, https://dpaste.org/aY4h#L4    just redid it with the full path /home/MyUser/Webb/htdocs, but that did not change anything https://dpaste.org/aY4h#L4
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2021-05-17 17:20:03	phogg	swensson36: that's not what you should have done
2021-05-17 17:20:14	phogg	run this:
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2021-05-17 17:20:30	phogg	ln -sf /home/webb /srv/http/weeb
2021-05-17 17:20:33	phogg	do not run anything else
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2021-05-17 17:20:47	phogg	er, s/weeb/webb/
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2021-05-17 17:21:19	RayTracer	you're expecting someone that doesn't know ln to parse s/x/y?
2021-05-17 17:21:28	phogg	swensson36:  if you run ln -sf htdocs /srv/http/htdocs you will create a symlink in /srv/http/ called htdocs that points at itself, which is what you did. That will loop around forever
2021-05-17 17:21:49	phogg	RayTracer: no, he could have copy/pasted the command when I gave it originally (and theres no typo)
2021-05-17 17:21:56	phogg	but, to be clear, I'll say it again:
2021-05-17 17:22:10	phogg	swensson36: run this command: ln -sf /home/webb /srv/httpd/webb
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2021-05-17 17:22:35	phogg	if the path to your home dir is different from /home/webb *tell me exactly what it is*, don't try and guess the right thing to change the command to
2021-05-17 17:23:53	phogg	After this is fixed, if you are interested and want to understand, I can explain in as much detail as you like what it is that ln is doing and why.
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2021-05-17 17:25:41	swensson36	Well, I have /home/myUser/webb/demo & /home/myUser/webb/demo1, so I just want the entire /home/myUser/webb, so both demo & demo 1 follows. But that should have been solved with: ln -sf /home/myUser/Webb /srv/http/webb/ correct?
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2021-05-17 17:26:13	phogg	swensson36: yes, with the caveat that the dir in /srv/http/ will have a lower-case W instead of an upper case one
2021-05-17 17:26:29	phogg	that will make /srv/http/webb/demo and /srv/http/webb/demo1 appear to exist
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2021-05-17 17:31:18	swensson36	Yeah you are correct phogg. Seems like I'm facing the permission issue now tho
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2021-05-17 17:32:35	phogg	swensson36: Okay.
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2021-05-17 17:33:13	phogg	swensson36: Briefly, what you want to do is make the group of the files be a group that the user that runs the web server is also in. Or, you need to make the files accessible to all users.
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2021-05-17 17:34:58	phogg	swensson36: so, for example, if the web server is in a group called www-data (which is a common configuration) you could chgrp all of the files to www-data and then make sure that directories are readable and executable by the group (chmod g+rx {}) and files are readable by the group (chmod g+r)
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2021-05-17 17:35:20	phogg	then it should work, unless SELinux is involved (in which case you also have to consider the security labels)
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2021-05-17 17:36:27	phogg	Ask more questions whenever you are unsure how to proceed.
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2021-05-17 17:37:31	cfoch	Hello, what may be the reason I get error code -22 when I call the function cdev_device_add? I am creating my own input device handler (led) using a MINOR BASE of 96 and a number of MINORS of 4. Device number is 0.
2021-05-17 17:38:46	ayecee	-22 is EINVAL, invalid argument
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2021-05-17 17:39:41	ayecee	what arguments are you providing
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2021-05-17 17:41:23	jim	invalid argument is a message often thrown by ioctl(), which takes as its first arg, a command number... if that command number has not been registered, that's an invalid argument
2021-05-17 17:41:25	cfoch	one moment, uploading my source, code
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2021-05-17 17:41:41	ayecee	jim: however this is not ioctl()
2021-05-17 17:42:03	jim	but, could it be that something is calling ioctl?
2021-05-17 17:42:26	ayecee	a number of things return EINVAL. i don't understand how you arrived at ioctl.
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2021-05-17 17:43:47	jim	often, kernel modules register ioctl commands, so invalid argument could also mean some particular module has not been inserted
2021-05-17 17:43:51	cfoch	ayecee, it crashes here https://dpaste.com/4N8YANKYP#line-146 with -22 error code
2021-05-17 17:44:01	swensson36	Thanks for all the help phogg! A lot appreciated! Tho, I'm going to do some actual work before I go to bed :D
2021-05-17 17:44:29	cfoch	does not crash, but fails nicely due to my error handling in the cleanups, but the thing is it fails with EINVAL
2021-05-17 17:45:06	ayecee	jim: this is not userland code. ioctl doesn't apply.
2021-05-17 17:45:24	jim	it's kernel code?
2021-05-17 17:45:46	ayecee	but even if it were userland code, so many things return EINVAL that ioctl still doesn't apply.
2021-05-17 17:45:53	jim	so that would mean something in the kernel is throwing -22
2021-05-17 17:45:53	cfoch	kernel space, yes
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2021-05-17 17:47:02	cfoch	of course, but any clue?
2021-05-17 17:47:18	jim	then I guess you look at the kernel documentation for things that can return EINVAL
2021-05-17 17:47:20	ayecee	probably the device_add() that cdev_device_add() calls, and which initializes a -EINVAL default return code.
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2021-05-17 17:47:41	ayecee	jim: honestly, almost anything can return EINVAL.
2021-05-17 17:47:42	cfoch	hmmm
2021-05-17 17:47:54	phogg	ayecee: EINVAL
2021-05-17 17:47:58	 *	phogg loves returning things
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2021-05-17 17:48:15	 *	rascul returns phogg
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2021-05-17 17:48:31	ayecee	but also doesn't reveal much, as the function returns EINVAL if pretty much anything goes wrong
2021-05-17 17:48:45	ayecee	and it's fairly long :(
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2021-05-17 17:48:51	ayecee	https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/base/core.c#L3121
2021-05-17 17:48:51	phogg	rascul: I didn't say I liked being returned )-:
2021-05-17 17:49:15	jim	ayecee, so, would you say the quality of that message has been compromised?
2021-05-17 17:49:32	ayecee	what message
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2021-05-17 17:49:53	jim	what have we been talking about for the past 5 minutes?
2021-05-17 17:50:06	ayecee	why EINVAL doesn't mean an ioctl failed
2021-05-17 17:50:21	jim	there's the message
2021-05-17 17:50:32	phogg	what message?
2021-05-17 17:50:44	jim	that message
2021-05-17 17:50:45	ayecee	jim: i'm starting to worry about you.
2021-05-17 17:50:47	cfoch	ahhhhh
2021-05-17 17:51:37	 *	phogg wonders who is having who on here
2021-05-17 17:51:42	cfoch	nevermind my "ahhhh"
2021-05-17 17:51:44	jim	if you can't hold a concept in your head for longer than 20 seconds, I'm not the one should be worried about
2021-05-17 17:52:10	ayecee	you've got me beat there. you can hold onto a concept regardless whether it's relevant to the context or not.
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2021-05-17 17:52:29	phogg	jim: it's not clear what you're referring to. Was the kernel documentation you mentioned the message?
2021-05-17 17:52:53	cfoch	I'll check later, I have a hint here  https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/base/core.c#L3121
2021-05-17 17:52:54	phogg	or is it as in this quote: "jim> invalid argument is a message often thrown by ioctl()"?
2021-05-17 17:52:56	cfoch	thanks
2021-05-17 17:53:00	hexnewbie	I hold onto my errno until the execution of the next syscall, and not a moment longer.
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2021-05-17 17:53:17	phogg	in which case I would say it's not a message as such in that it is an integer return value; messages are usually strings
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2021-05-17 17:54:11	phogg	another case where reading the source code beats reading the documentation
2021-05-17 17:54:14	phogg	not sure if that's a win
2021-05-17 17:54:31	hexnewbie	ret = -EOWNERDEAD; goto out;
2021-05-17 17:54:32	ayecee	other things that return einval: read(), write(), send(), recv(), etc.
2021-05-17 17:54:40	johnjay	is there a linuxy way to process json on the command line?
2021-05-17 17:54:46	hexnewbie	johnjay: jq
2021-05-17 17:54:54	ayecee	anywhere you can provide an invalid argument, you can get an EINVAL back.
2021-05-17 17:54:54	johnjay	thanks
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2021-05-17 17:55:11	jim	what I meant was, you'd look in the documentation of each kernel function, for functions that can return invalid argument, and what that means for that function to be returning that message, you've found at least one function that can do it...
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2021-05-17 17:56:46	phogg	jim: I was confused by your use of message to describe an integer, which was harder to follow because the original place where you called it a message had scrolled out of my buffer.
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2021-05-17 17:56:58	phogg	After scrolling back up it became more clear.
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2021-05-17 17:57:17	jim	it might be more instructive to look at the function that was being run at the point of the crash, and look at the return stack
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2021-05-17 17:57:47	phogg	in this case there was no crash
2021-05-17 17:57:58	jim	phogg, yeah, I have that problem too
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2021-05-17 17:58:10	rascul	i crash all the time, no problem here
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2021-05-17 17:58:25	 *	hexnewbie takes rascul's cymbals away
2021-05-17 17:58:26	ayecee	any crash you can walk away from is a good crash
2021-05-17 17:58:27	phogg	rascul: that takes talent
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2021-05-17 17:58:43	rascul	damnit hexnewbie give them back!
2021-05-17 17:58:50	arknet	.
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2021-05-17 17:59:26	hexnewbie	rascul: I already cut one and made it into an aerial TV antenna. Wonder if it work better than the magnetic disk plate I had earlier.
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2021-05-17 17:59:33	arknet	.
2021-05-17 17:59:34	jim	phogg, the message of "invalid argument" is often signified by a function returning -22
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2021-05-17 17:59:51	ayecee	like a dog with a bone this guy is
2021-05-17 17:59:56	hexnewbie	jim: In the kernel? Because I've never seen outside of the kernel, and outside of Python
2021-05-17 17:59:56	rascul	try a valid argument
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2021-05-17 18:00:53	jim	hexnewbie, sorry, never seen which? an invalid argument return code
2021-05-17 18:00:54	jim	?
2021-05-17 18:01:00	hexnewbie	jim: -22
2021-05-17 18:01:14	hexnewbie	jim: I mean, the negative sign for a *specific* error.
2021-05-17 18:01:39	hexnewbie	jim: In userland, you get -1 with errno set to 22. Some higher languages may decide to translate that into -22
2021-05-17 18:02:06	jim	oh ok
2021-05-17 18:02:24	ayecee	get -1 from what
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2021-05-17 18:03:01	hexnewbie	The syscall and the glibc wrapper of that syscall, presumably. The kernel function implementing would return -22
2021-05-17 18:03:14	ayecee	oh, i see. read() for example returns -1, and the 22 is in errno.
2021-05-17 18:03:24	jim	a function call that returns an exit status, 0 meaning no error, -1 meaning an error has occured, and errno set
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2021-05-17 18:04:00	jim	you dotted?
2021-05-17 18:04:06	phogg	-
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2021-05-17 18:04:08	ayecee	and then dashed
2021-05-17 18:04:08	 *	phogg really must dash
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2021-05-17 18:04:20	ayecee	it's basically the old dot and dash
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2021-05-17 18:04:26	 *	hexnewbie would ampersand this conversation
2021-05-17 18:04:36	jim	which would mean A
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2021-05-17 18:16:41	triceratux	this i can agree with https://braintan.com/success-principles-tmwgake/693858-how-to-keep-apps-running-in-the-background-android
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2021-05-17 18:17:47	akik	triceratux: is that a real article? just shows a wall of text for me
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2021-05-17 18:19:28	triceratux	yep its an oreo 8.1 text dump :)
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2021-05-17 18:20:01	triceratux	i coined a new phrase: "toxic wakelock storm"
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2021-05-17 18:22:41	akik	what happened to the reader mode in firefox? the icon is gone
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2021-05-17 18:23:31	Nickwiz	... goto out; that remond me of goto fail;
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2021-05-17 18:23:38	akik	that article is written so sloppily i can't read it
2021-05-17 18:23:38	Nickwiz	remind me even
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2021-05-17 18:24:26	triceratux	akik this ones a bit more cogent ;D https://www.androidpolice.com/2020/07/18/phone-makers-are-breaking-your-favorite-apps-with-reckless-changes-to-androids-power-optimization-features/
2021-05-17 18:24:48	Nickwiz	I would say the code formatting is almost as bad as the error, https://gist.github.com/hbq/9166588#file-sslkeyexchange-c-L623
2021-05-17 18:25:02	Nickwiz	error/bug
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2021-05-17 18:25:31	akik	triceratux: my friend said a few years ago that his daughters are not getting the whatsapp messages because android's power saving features :P
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2021-05-17 18:26:49	adamik	is this gonna affect the tiktok
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2021-05-17 18:30:21	triceratux	android wasnt well designed for background scheduling. it was a free for all. now the doze mode prowls the background tasks applying its impenetrable criteria in the name of battery preservation. users & devs have little recourse
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2021-05-17 18:31:00	 *	triceratux has to get away from his handsets & back to linux :)
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2021-05-17 18:31:53	Nickwiz	If that ssl code was sent to me for review, I would have blocked it until proper formatting was applied.
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2021-05-17 18:32:36	akik	triceratux: do you mean that android itself doesn't allow the "service" apps ?
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2021-05-17 18:32:51	akik	it's all wtf
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2021-05-17 18:33:13	akik	i have 5 problems with the android 10 split screen :)
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2021-05-17 18:33:45	phogg	triceratux: on the bright side this has taught developers to be defensive and write crash-only software
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2021-05-17 18:34:54	akik	https://pastebin.com/raw/S5ihC4h9
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2021-05-17 18:35:28	phogg	akik: can you replace the WM in android?
2021-05-17 18:35:37	phogg	or does that require root?
2021-05-17 18:35:44	akik	phogg: i can change the home launcher
2021-05-17 18:35:54	akik	it's kind of the wm
2021-05-17 18:36:13	akik	but the split screen is built-in android functionality
2021-05-17 18:36:14	triceratux	akik: historically it was "The Great Background Processing Lockdown" https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/09/android-8-0-oreo-thoroughly-reviewed/4/
2021-05-17 18:36:47	phogg	akik: "built-in" is still some kind of software. Unless it's baked in at the display server level it should be possible to write your own version
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2021-05-17 18:37:01	phogg	surfaceflinger, was it?
2021-05-17 18:37:03	akik	phogg: i asked in #android but they said it's built-in
2021-05-17 18:37:07	 *	phogg isn't an android person
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2021-05-17 18:37:45	akik	and it worked 5x better in android 7, so i'm guessing the testing team was high
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2021-05-17 18:38:29	adamik	phones were a mistake
2021-05-17 18:39:04	phogg	adamik: so were mice, but here we are
2021-05-17 18:39:29	adamik	:|
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2021-05-17 18:40:21	phogg	it's all down hill since the keyboard
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2021-05-17 18:40:31	phogg	maybe brain/machine interfaces will be an improvement
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2021-05-17 18:41:16	phogg	if history is any indication it will be chaos and confusion again, but this time beamed directly into your brain
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2021-05-17 18:44:37	adamik	I think you're onto describing the setting of deus ex
2021-05-17 18:45:09	adamik	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_Ex:_Human_Revolution#Synopsis
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2021-05-17 18:46:09	Nickwiz	Phones is one thing, but mobile phones is a rather weird concept.
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2021-05-17 18:47:37	hexnewbie	I agree. If God had intended us to use wireless EM communication, he would have put EM receivers on our face.
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2021-05-17 18:49:01	adamik	they're just bastards..
2021-05-17 18:49:09	adamik	phones mobile phones computer
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2021-05-17 18:50:51	adamik	the "royal" phone
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2021-05-17 18:51:07	akik	Nickwiz: what do you not like about mobile phones? they give so much freedom for movement
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2021-05-17 18:53:32	Nickwiz	akik: It has it's use, but I manage well without it.
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2021-05-17 18:54:02	akik	when i was young, i needed to be at some place to receive a phone call
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2021-05-17 18:54:34	jim	akik, and then they made answering machines
2021-05-17 18:54:35	akik	and if i wanted to call my friend, he needed to be near a phone. now it's totally different when the phone goes with the user
2021-05-17 18:55:10	adamik	Why are you suddenly pretending as though the majority of people use their phones as a phone?
2021-05-17 18:55:28	adamik	'freedom of movement', what?
2021-05-17 18:55:52	akik	that's just a fact of matter
2021-05-17 18:56:12	akik	it wouldn't be called a phone if you couldn't make a phone call with it
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2021-05-17 18:56:27	hexnewbie	OpenMoko would beg to differ
2021-05-17 18:56:29	adamik	It's besides the point. No one takes issue with the fact that you can make and receive phone calls with it.
2021-05-17 18:56:51	adamik	Except those who truly don't want to be gotten hold of outside of their obligatory hours.
2021-05-17 18:57:01	akik	i think you took that issue
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2021-05-17 18:57:33	adamik	You're mistaken.
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2021-05-17 18:58:25	akik	i'm not pretending the primary use for a cell phone is not making calls
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2021-05-17 18:58:55	adamik	Its not a rotary phone or a flip phone that I think was a mistake.
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2021-05-17 19:00:31	wr	my xfce weather plugin after set things never displays data, what could i check to fix this?
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2021-05-17 19:01:37	velix	Oh dear... Some devs thought, the "allow/deny-list" discussion was a joke: https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/issues/3447
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2021-05-17 19:01:54	velix	That reaction of netblue30 is pretty heavy in history's context.
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2021-05-17 19:03:37	akik	velix: i agree with netblue30 who ever that is
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2021-05-17 19:04:55	velix	akik: a half year later, it got changed.
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2021-05-17 19:06:18	akik	i haven't subscribed to the virtue signaling sjw stuff
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2021-05-17 19:08:54	coldenbrewed	Anyone here know of an alternative like PDANET+ that works on linux?
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2021-05-17 19:09:04	coldenbrewed	Like an android app with similar tethering functions
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2021-05-17 19:09:30	akik	coldenbrewed: maybe you could describe what pdanet+ does
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2021-05-17 19:11:34	adamik	of course I regret clicking on that clown world thread
2021-05-17 19:12:04	akik	words can't hurt you
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2021-05-17 19:16:48	bernard__	stones can
2021-05-17 19:16:56	bernard__	and sticks
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2021-05-17 19:19:13	akik	back to the stone age with no cell phones
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2021-05-17 19:20:27	adamik	good
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2021-05-17 19:22:11	jim	not the stone age, not the computer age either
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2021-05-17 19:23:21	akik	pdanet+ seems to be an internet sharing application
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2021-05-17 19:23:37	akik	so yes you can do that with linux, even creating a wifi hotspot
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2021-05-17 19:27:51	adamik	It is not interesting to tell me words can't hurt, akik
2021-05-17 19:27:54	adamik	I already know that
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2021-05-17 19:27:57	adamik	go tell them
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2021-05-17 19:34:24	akik	i think that would be called necro posting (no pun intended)
2021-05-17 19:34:47	Khaytsus	PDANET....  kek
2021-05-17 19:34:54	adamik	call them on your superfuture cellphone
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2021-05-17 19:36:10	akik	oh now i'm with a superfuture phone when i use it for calls? :)
2021-05-17 19:36:31	adamik	hehe
2021-05-17 19:37:00	akik	i talked 40 minutes with it to an insurance guy
2021-05-17 19:37:03	akik	today
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2021-05-17 20:01:21	coldenbrewed	Any ideas?
2021-05-17 20:01:21	coldenbrewed	I want to share my phone internet with a linux machine
2021-05-17 20:01:21	coldenbrewed	But I don't know of a good app to do so
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2021-05-17 20:02:13	mutante	coldenbrewed: activate wifi hotspot on phone (Android?, use Wifi on Linux, the end ?
2021-05-17 20:02:29	Nickwiz	No need for an app for thet.
2021-05-17 20:02:39	mutante	it comes with it (usually(
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2021-05-17 20:03:31	mutante	or did you not want it to be wireless?
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2021-05-17 20:04:16	coldenbrewed	mutante, my plan does not have hotspot
2021-05-17 20:04:57	Khaytsus	Bummer.  Fix that.
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2021-05-17 20:05:05	Khaytsus	Does USB not just work?
2021-05-17 20:05:14	mutante	coldenbrewed: ugh.. that is a bad provider to have. can you pay 5 bucks more to have it?
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2021-05-17 20:05:19	Khaytsus	I plug my phone in USB it shows up a network device.
2021-05-17 20:06:31	mutante	you can also get a dedicated device, coldenbrewed. like that Verizon calls a "Jetpack" or a "MiFi", basically a hotspot in its own case that doesnt suck your phone battery dry
2021-05-17 20:06:40	Nickwiz	Was not aware providers could block that.
2021-05-17 20:06:54	mutante	yea, it's pretty creepy, isnt it
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2021-05-17 20:07:05	Khaytsus	Providers can put in their own hotspot management app, yes.  It's fully supported by Android.
2021-05-17 20:07:20	Khaytsus	And that app can check availability, count data usage, etc.
2021-05-17 20:07:36	mutante	or.. jailbreak the phone
2021-05-17 20:07:41	mutante	and install alternative OS
2021-05-17 20:08:11	mutante	not sure if they could notice and kick you out for doing that. would be interesting
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2021-05-17 20:09:14	mutante	or .. have a laptop that has a slot for SIM card and insert one
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2021-05-17 20:11:01	akik	coldenbrewed: https://github.com/lakinduakash/linux-wifi-hotspot
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2021-05-17 20:11:59	mutante	I think he wanted the Linux device that is the client that connects to his hotspot,not turn it into a hotspot
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2021-05-17 20:12:53	akik	request confusing
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2021-05-17 20:13:04	akik	02:08 < coldenbrewed> Anyone here know of an alternative like PDANET+ that works on linux?
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2021-05-17 20:13:30	mutante	oh, yes
2021-05-17 20:13:33	akik	"PdaNet+ shares the Internet access of your Android phone with your computer or tablet."
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2021-05-17 20:14:01	akik	that's why i though he wanted to use the linux machine's internet and share it to some other device
2021-05-17 20:14:12	mutante	yea, indeed it is unclear from that now
2021-05-17 20:14:21	Nickwiz	Running a proxy on the mobile, https://android.stackexchange.com/a/116437
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2021-05-17 20:15:41	rascul	coldenbrewed i've used easytether in the past
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2021-05-17 20:16:11	rascul	also i've used proxoid in the past but that might not be a thing anymore
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2021-05-17 20:16:19	Khaytsus	mutante: He said he's using an Android phone, so...
2021-05-17 20:17:13	ramzy	Hey if i export a vbox vm will it copy EVERYTHING or will it leave important stuff out
2021-05-17 20:17:41	akik	ramzy: the disk image contains everything except the vbox vm settings
2021-05-17 20:17:44	coldenbrewed	Khaytsus, my provider does not allow it
2021-05-17 20:17:58	coldenbrewed	mutante, yes, 10$ each month for 10GB
2021-05-17 20:18:27	ramzy	akik: so i can safely delete the main .vdmk files now?
2021-05-17 20:18:31	Khaytsus	Seems like a good deal for using your phone for a network cnnection
2021-05-17 20:18:53	mutante	coldenbrewed: I thin your options are:  a) link by Nickwiz about running proxy above    b) jailbreak the phone    c) get dedicated hotspot     d) get laptop with SIM slot
2021-05-17 20:18:55	coldenbrewed	What i want is a phone-4G/app --> USB --> Linux client
2021-05-17 20:19:10	mutante	ah, and USB, maybe
2021-05-17 20:19:12	ramzy	im confused bc its half the size
2021-05-17 20:19:16	coldenbrewed	mutante, jail breaking it does not do me anyu good
2021-05-17 20:19:23	Khaytsus	mutante: Stop with "jailbreak" good lord
2021-05-17 20:19:26	Khaytsus	He's using Android
2021-05-17 20:19:47	akik	ramzy: you make your own descisions. i don't know what you plan to do
2021-05-17 20:19:51	mutante	Khaytsus: yea, and we talked about the preinstalled software preventing him from doing what he wants
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2021-05-17 20:21:07	ramzy	akik: im just moving the vm from partition to partion but its important hence why im asking
2021-05-17 20:21:32	akik	ramzy: make a backup if there's important data as always
2021-05-17 20:21:40	mutante	I think this is "what app do I use to share a _wired_ Internet connection via USB"
2021-05-17 20:21:57	ramzy	no space
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2021-05-17 20:22:54	questi	:)
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2021-05-17 20:24:26	akik	ramzy: why do you need to use export then?
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2021-05-17 20:25:00	akik	ramzy: you can add a directory that contains the vbox and vmdk files in the vbox gui
2021-05-17 20:25:08	ramzy	akik: i dont wanna move the files "nor"
2021-05-17 20:25:23	akik	ramzy: no idea what nor is
2021-05-17 20:25:24	ramzy	Never mind that was a typo
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2021-05-17 20:25:51	akik	ramzy: for example i've added the vbox vm back to the gui after an os installation
2021-05-17 20:26:04	akik	ramzy: didn't need any export/import for that
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2021-05-17 20:26:45	velix	too many cookies, oh god, too many cookies.
2021-05-17 20:26:53	questi	LOL
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2021-05-17 20:27:03	velix	I've accepted them all :-(
2021-05-17 20:27:04	questi	if only cookies were make from a rose jam xd
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2021-05-17 20:27:44	ramzy	akik: the copy virtual disk option?
2021-05-17 20:27:45	velix	I never tasted rose jam?
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2021-05-17 20:28:36	akik	ramzy: no i mean you don't need to do anything else than copy the directory that has the vbox and the disk files in it
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2021-05-17 20:28:53	akik	ramzy: first remove the vm from the vbox gui without deleting the files
2021-05-17 20:29:05	akik	ramzy: then move the directory and then add it back to the vbox gui
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2021-05-17 20:29:28	ramzy	it wont whine about missing files?
2021-05-17 20:29:29	akik	ramzy: the vbox file is the vm configuration itself
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2021-05-17 20:30:38	ramzy	>it wont whine about missing files?
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2021-05-17 20:31:02	akik	ramzy: i don't know what you mean. don't delete any files
2021-05-17 20:31:23	mutante	cookies are on the way out. it's FLoCed now.  https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2021/04/am-i-floced-launch
2021-05-17 20:32:23	ramzy	sometimes when i try to move file directly without using the gui it screams at me files inaccessable or other stupid stuff
2021-05-17 20:32:44	ramzy	U know what ill move them and have the export as backup
2021-05-17 20:32:50	ramzy	*you
2021-05-17 20:33:12	akik	ramzy: maybe if you haven't done this before, don't do it
2021-05-17 20:33:35	akik	ramzy: there's an option in the vbox gui in the machine menu called "add"
2021-05-17 20:33:51	akik	ramzy: through that item you can add the vm back from the new location
2021-05-17 20:34:25	Nickwiz	One also have protocol flooding, https://github.com/fingerprintjs/external-protocol-flooding (just another piece in the puzzle)
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2021-05-17 20:37:19	adamik	Nickwiz: I disabled js to run the demo and it still went bonkers.
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2021-05-17 20:37:40	akik	ramzy: "VirtualBox v6.x has made it easier than ever to move a registered VM around on a single host: just right click the VM in the manager and select "Move...". https://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=55003
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2021-05-17 20:38:47	adamik	too bedazzled by their own non-fungible blotter art
2021-05-17 20:39:02	adamik	https://blog.torproject.org/dreaming-at-dusk
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2021-05-17 20:40:21	LeoNice81	anyone know why i cant conntect to McDonalds wifi with my Fedora 33 installation?
2021-05-17 20:40:36	questi	I have had issues with wifi
2021-05-17 20:40:39	questi	some of them xd
2021-05-17 20:40:43	adamik	mickeyd
2021-05-17 20:41:00	LeoNice81	what does that mean?
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2021-05-17 20:41:25	adamik	soft drinks as a service
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2021-05-17 20:46:27	adamik	someone may be able to wager a guess if you describe the problem in more detail, LeoNice81
2021-05-17 20:46:52	adamik	I dont think there are known conflicts between Fedora and McDonald's
2021-05-17 20:47:19	questi	adamik: well i have had issue with one wifi that keeps doing endless redirects on its home auth page
2021-05-17 20:47:19	questi	:)
2021-05-17 20:47:31	questi	works on a phone, ubuntu nah :)
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2021-05-17 20:47:46	questi	checked syslog saying it connects and then blah
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2021-05-17 20:48:03	LeoNice81	adamik, ok, it takes me to the accept conntect to mcds wifi page then I click connect and it goes to an error page says can't resolve host https://secure-login.attwifi.com/cgibin or something like that
2021-05-17 20:48:14	LeoNice81	adamik, ok, it takes me to the accept conntect to mcds wifi page then I click connect and it goes to an error page says can't resolve host https://secure-login.attwifi.com/cgibin or something like that
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2021-05-17 20:49:08	questi	LeoNice81: seems similar to laptop 'issue'
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2021-05-17 20:49:20	questi	i think some network use some weird auth factor xd
2021-05-17 20:49:39	LeoNice81	well this is a new laptop, new to me anyway, I have no problem connecting to my cellphones hotspot.
2021-05-17 20:50:25	questi	well anything sus in a syslog?
2021-05-17 20:50:29	questi	or other relevant logs?
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2021-05-17 20:52:41	akik	LeoNice81: somebody says here that changing your nameserver to 8.8.8.8 would work but i'm not sure if that works before escaping the captive portal https://superuser.com/questions/1306309/att-wifi-always-shows-secure-login-attwifi-com-s-server-ip-address-could-not-b
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2021-05-17 20:53:31	LeoNice81	ok how do I do that?
2021-05-17 20:53:51	akik	LenPayne_: in your wifi settings
2021-05-17 20:54:28	akik	LeoNice81: in your wifi settings, it's "dns servers"
2021-05-17 20:54:37	akik	ipv4
2021-05-17 20:54:38	questi	akik:  yes have to escape that captive portal, they auth via collecting mac right?
2021-05-17 20:54:42	questi	that is portal idea?
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2021-05-17 20:54:44	LeoNice81	ok found it brb
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2021-05-17 20:55:02	adamik	hah, there actually is a McDonald's specific page regarding wifi login
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2021-05-17 20:55:16	akik	questi: no idea, i'm in finland
2021-05-17 20:55:39	akik	no at&t here i think
2021-05-17 20:56:06	adamik	but its by some vpn company I've never heard of so I'm reluctant to post it.
2021-05-17 20:56:18	adamik	the sheisters
2021-05-17 20:56:19	akik	i was just thinking that they won't allow external access until the captive portal has been dealt with
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2021-05-17 20:56:41	questi	akik: how captive portal works?
2021-05-17 20:56:59	akik	questi: it's some kind of router with a web service that acts like a gateway
2021-05-17 20:57:04	questi	it fingerprints via js?
2021-05-17 20:57:13	LeoNice81	adamik, that didn't do it, is there a way to enter that via ipv6?
2021-05-17 20:57:13	questi	how else can it whitelist
2021-05-17 20:57:19	akik	questi: so you'll get an ip to your computer but you can just access the captive portal at first
2021-05-17 20:57:28	questi	akik: that part is clear
2021-05-17 20:57:34	questi	ip via dhcp
2021-05-17 20:57:42	questi	and then...
2021-05-17 20:57:54	LeoNice81	akik, correct, then it gives me that error, works on windows tablet and android phones
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2021-05-17 20:58:09	questi	LeoNice81: same xd
2021-05-17 20:58:17	questi	same issue
2021-05-17 20:58:29	akik	LeoNice81: did you change the name server?
2021-05-17 20:58:47	questi	I was able to overcome it by connecting via phone and then tethering lol
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2021-05-17 21:00:07	LeoNice81	DNS 8.8.8.8?
2021-05-17 21:00:12	akik	LeoNice81: yes
2021-05-17 21:00:40	LeoNice81	yep I did that under network setting for Mcds on the ipv4 tab
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2021-05-17 21:01:15	questi	and does it work now?
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2021-05-17 21:01:58	akik	LeoNice81: try reconnecting to the wifi ap
2021-05-17 21:02:01	LeoNice81	nope still the same error, i had to log back on with the cell phone hotspot.
2021-05-17 21:02:10	LeoNice81	wifi ap?
2021-05-17 21:02:18	akik	LeoNice81: the wireless network
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2021-05-17 21:03:02	LeoNice81	yeah, i went to the top right of gnome, then used the wifi setting for mcds.
2021-05-17 21:03:21	LeoNice81	thats where i set dns to 8.8.8.8 on the ipv4 tab.
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2021-05-17 21:04:16	LeoNice81	ping: https://secure-login.attwifi.com: Name or service not known
2021-05-17 21:04:42	LeoNice81	this is through the cell phone hotspot, however, it works on android and windows
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2021-05-17 21:05:23	akik	LeoNice81: check what ip you get for secure-login.attwifi.com with the cell phone connection, then add that info to /etc/hosts on linux
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2021-05-17 21:07:09	akik	or in windows if it works there
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2021-05-17 21:07:43	akik	nslookup secure-login.attwifi.com <- in windows
2021-05-17 21:08:01	LeoNice81	shit dont have windows tablet with me
2021-05-17 21:08:56	questi	akik nice idea
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2021-05-17 21:09:04	akik	LeoNice81: there's an app for that for android
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2021-05-17 21:09:46	akik	LenPayne_: first install termux, open it, pkg install dnsutils
2021-05-17 21:10:31	jrandom	If I have a ubuntu docker container for example, how can I make all the network calls done inside the container go through a SOCKS5 server? Like how can I configure from the host such that *any* network requests gos through the SOCKS5 server I configured. Is that possible?
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2021-05-17 21:14:00	ananke	jrandom: I don't believe so, docker doesn't have anything like that built in
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2021-05-17 21:15:24	sheep	does SOCKS5 even support UDP?
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2021-05-17 21:16:58	LeoNice81	arg
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2021-05-17 21:17:44	LeoNice81	akik
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2021-05-17 21:17:58	LeoNice81	akik, any other ideas I can try now?
2021-05-17 21:17:59	superkuh	Yes. You can use a client like shadowsocks-libev.
2021-05-17 21:18:04	jrandom	ananke: hmm, I see...
2021-05-17 21:18:05	superkuh	Well, client/server pair.
2021-05-17 21:18:39	akik	LeoNice81: i'm not sure what fedora does differently than windows
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2021-05-17 21:18:39	superkuh	As for making everything go through socks5, shadowsocks-libev has a mode for that too.
2021-05-17 21:19:08	superkuh	I used it a lot for docker stuff.
2021-05-17 21:19:33	LeoNice81	ok, i havent use linux since 2007, how do I install shadowsocks?
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2021-05-17 21:20:03	LeoNice81	oh, that wasn't ment for me, dur.
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2021-05-17 21:21:58	akik	LeoNice81: did you find the ip for that host?
2021-05-17 21:22:26	LeoNice81	akik, nope, can I do something on android phone to get it
2021-05-17 21:22:30	akik	LeoNice81: here's somebody writing about a similar problem with starbucks wifi https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/j2svhc/fedora_33_beta_starbucks_captive_portal_access/
2021-05-17 21:22:40	LeoNice81	i haver termux
2021-05-17 21:22:46	akik	LeoNice81: yes, install termux, open it, pkg install dnsutils, nslookup
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2021-05-17 21:23:42	LeoNice81	akik, installing
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2021-05-17 21:25:26	LeoNice81	akik, uh, it wont install on termux
2021-05-17 21:25:32	LeoNice81	and my terminal says
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2021-05-17 21:25:48	LeoNice81	> ^C[LeoNice1981@leoshptablet ~]$ nslookup secure-login.attwifi.com
2021-05-17 21:25:49	LeoNice81	Server:		127.0.0.53
2021-05-17 21:25:49	LeoNice81	Address:	127.0.0.53#53
2021-05-17 21:25:49	LeoNice81	** server can't find secure-login.attwifi.com: NXDOMAIN
2021-05-17 21:26:11	akik	LeoNice81: but internet access works now in your phone?
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2021-05-17 21:26:18	akik	through that att wifi?
2021-05-17 21:26:48	LeoNice81	no thats through the spectrum cell phone hotspot,
2021-05-17 21:27:07	akik	LeoNice81: you said it works on android
2021-05-17 21:27:37	LeoNice81	on termux it dosen't like the available mirrors
2021-05-17 21:28:02	akik	LeoNice81: ok i'm out of ideas then :)
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2021-05-17 21:28:18	akik	LeoNice81: try the same nslookup command the next time you're there
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2021-05-17 21:28:39	LeoNice81	im gonna head home and try it for there
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2021-05-17 21:29:13	LeoNice81	is there a way to force pkg install to download more mirror sites?
2021-05-17 21:29:17	akik	maybe there's some bug with the captive portal detection in fedora
2021-05-17 21:30:33	akik	LeoNice81: try "nslookup secure-login.attwifi.com 8.8.8.8"
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2021-05-17 21:30:43	akik	LeoNice81: that'll send the query to google's dns
2021-05-17 21:31:06	akik	LeoNice81: but i think the query needs to be sent from that attwifi
2021-05-17 21:31:17	akik	i don't get anything back if i do that query
2021-05-17 21:31:20	LeoNice81	it says it can't find it
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2021-05-17 21:32:54	LeoNice81	maybe its supposed to be inside that little locked down portion? whats that called?
2021-05-17 21:33:08	akik	captive portal
2021-05-17 21:33:11	rascul	use the dhcp provided dns
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2021-05-17 21:33:25	rascul	do the login/whatever stuff then switch back
2021-05-17 21:33:25	akik	LeoNice81: didn't you say the connetion works with your android device?
2021-05-17 21:33:29	LeoNice81	akik, yeah captive portal
2021-05-17 21:33:39	LeoNice81	yep, its connected righ now
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2021-05-17 21:33:53	rascul	or go to a non-https site
2021-05-17 21:33:56	rascul	sometimes that works
2021-05-17 21:33:58	akik	LeoNice81: but termux can't find secure-login.attwifi.com ?
2021-05-17 21:34:02	akik	wtf
2021-05-17 21:34:05	rascul	http://neverssl.com/
2021-05-17 21:34:38	LeoNice81	termux won't install dnsutils
2021-05-17 21:34:45	akik	huh
2021-05-17 21:35:00	akik	well that's a problem :)
2021-05-17 21:35:12	rascul	why won't termux install dnsutils?
2021-05-17 21:35:25	rascul	presumably there's an error message or something
2021-05-17 21:35:30	akik	oh i see repository problems with it
2021-05-17 21:35:38	akik	damn you're unlucky today
2021-05-17 21:36:05	akik	there's also some other dns tools for android
2021-05-17 21:36:13	rascul	probably my fault
2021-05-17 21:36:18	rascul	i'm unlucky every day
2021-05-17 21:36:25	LeoNice81	i've been unlucky for a while now
2021-05-17 21:36:37	rascul	anyone in the channel with me probably gets some of my unluck
2021-05-17 21:36:45	 *	c705 detects rascul's faults
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2021-05-17 21:36:54	akik	LeoNice81: try installing this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.he.networktools
2021-05-17 21:36:56	 *	rascul faults c705
2021-05-17 21:37:17	akik	LeoNice81: that's "he.net - Network Tools"
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2021-05-17 21:37:17	c705	thankfully i am redundant
2021-05-17 21:37:27	rascul	i've noticed
2021-05-17 21:38:05	LeoNice81	herican electric, ok?
2021-05-17 21:38:33	rascul	hurricant
2021-05-17 21:38:37	rascul	damnit i typoed too
2021-05-17 21:38:39	rascul	hurricane
2021-05-17 21:38:42	adamik	good ol united states of herica
2021-05-17 21:38:48	akik	rolf
2021-05-17 21:39:35	LeoNice81	akik, im on that site
2021-05-17 21:40:17	akik	LeoNice81: it has a dns tab on left, then enter secure-login.attwifi.com and press the magnifying glass
2021-05-17 21:40:54	adamik	who is rolf? one of your countrymen I presume
2021-05-17 21:41:30	rascul	no, rolf is one of MY countrymen
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2021-05-17 21:41:57	akik	it was a dyslexic rofl
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2021-05-17 21:42:13	rascul	rolf isn't dyslexic
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2021-05-17 21:45:55	LeoNice81	huh, it won't let me log in crazy. what happens if you try it?
2021-05-17 21:46:10	akik	don't stick your android in crazy
2021-05-17 21:46:30	rascul	android is crazy enough already
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2021-05-17 21:47:28	adamik	loggin in all crazy
2021-05-17 21:47:31	LeoNice81	i setup a login then it wouldnt let me login
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2021-05-17 21:50:13	akik	https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/StrongCryptoSettings2#Upgrade.2Fcompatibility_impact
2021-05-17 21:50:45	akik	It may be that the new settings break software that connects to servers which utilize weak algorithms. Compatibility can be obtained by switching the system to Fedora 32 policy level:
2021-05-17 21:50:50	akik	update-crypto-policies --set DEFAULT:FEDORA32
2021-05-17 21:50:59	akik	worth a try, i guess
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2021-05-17 21:52:26	LeoNice81	it wants me to restart
2021-05-17 21:52:33	LeoNice81	brb
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2021-05-17 21:56:41	 *	rascul restarts akik
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2021-05-17 21:57:32	 *	adamik kickstarts rascul
2021-05-17 21:57:32	questi	restarts rascul in pro cat mood :P
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2021-05-17 21:57:56	akik	here i am injecting commands to your computers
2021-05-17 21:57:56	-->	shan (~shantaram@unaffiliated/jasatso1301) has joined ##linux
2021-05-17 21:58:04	akik	no questions asked
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2021-05-17 21:58:27	rascul	you must have an injector
2021-05-17 21:58:48	 *	questi offers some cat food :)
2021-05-17 21:59:22	rascul	pro cat mood is not a thing i recognize
2021-05-17 21:59:27	rascul	your cat food is wasted on me
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2021-05-17 22:01:07	LeoNice81	five turkish men just showed up like they justgot released my ins
2021-05-17 22:01:40	akik	famous last words
2021-05-17 22:01:50	LeoNice81	flip flops and matching sweats
2021-05-17 22:02:31	pnbeast	You know this is a channel about Linux, not your fantasies, right?
2021-05-17 22:02:34	akik	LeoNice81: oh btw remove that 8.8.8.8 from that wifi connection dns server list now
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2021-05-17 22:03:38	akik	LeoNice81: it should be automatic
2021-05-17 22:04:10	[R]	pnbeast: oh snap, am i lost?
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2021-05-17 22:04:42	 *	rascul snaps
2021-05-17 22:05:14	pnbeast	I don't know, I just joined a little bit ago, myself.  Maybe Turks wearing flipflops is on topic, today?  It doesn't seem likely, though.
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2021-05-17 22:05:37	akik	in the deep of the night, the turks crawl out
2021-05-17 22:05:45	bparker	aliens is the topic tonight
2021-05-17 22:05:49	justsomeguy	Hello ##linux, I love you beautiful people!
2021-05-17 22:06:06	rascul	i take offense to being called beautiful
2021-05-17 22:06:22	bparker	01:34 < rascul> http://neverssl.com/
2021-05-17 22:06:23	Sir_Real	beautiful people? nothing but vicious chimps in here
2021-05-17 22:06:25	bparker	01:34 < rascul> http://neverssl.com/
2021-05-17 22:06:28	bparker	Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead
2021-05-17 22:06:39	rascul	?
2021-05-17 22:06:39	bparker	the irony
2021-05-17 22:06:46	bparker	it redirected to https
2021-05-17 22:06:53	rascul	it didn't here
2021-05-17 22:07:03	[R]	🎶 the beautiful people... the beautiful people...
2021-05-17 22:07:04	rascul	maybe you're broken
2021-05-17 22:07:11	bparker	or awesome
2021-05-17 22:07:12	adamik	you probably have https always on
2021-05-17 22:07:24	 *	adamik looks at justsomeguy 
2021-05-17 22:07:29	adamik	you're justsomeguy
2021-05-17 22:07:52	bparker	"neverssl.com will never use SSL"
2021-05-17 22:07:58	bparker	but it is
2021-05-17 22:07:59	bparker	lol
2021-05-17 22:08:18	adamik	use cat-v.org
2021-05-17 22:08:22	adamik	they'll never use ssl
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2021-05-17 22:08:43	akik	damn cats are all over the pipes
2021-05-17 22:09:01	bparker	adamik: they have a self-signed cert
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2021-05-17 22:09:51	bparker	* Server certificate:
2021-05-17 22:09:51	bparker	*  subject: C=US; CN=9front.org
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2021-05-17 22:10:19	adamik	why dont I get that
2021-05-17 22:10:19	bparker	self-signed cert for a totally different domain even
2021-05-17 22:10:33	bparker	your browser probably just skips it
2021-05-17 22:10:34	rascul	http://neverssl.com does not redirect to https://neverssl.com
2021-05-17 22:10:37	justsomeguy	adamik: https://www.wildelifecomic.com/comic/69
2021-05-17 22:10:42	rascul	that's a browser misconfiguration
2021-05-17 22:10:45	rascul	must be
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2021-05-17 22:10:54	bparker	or browser good configuration
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2021-05-17 22:11:14	rascul	seems like a misconfiguration if it breaks valid web sites
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2021-05-17 22:11:15	 *	[R] reconfigures rascul 
2021-05-17 22:11:29	bparker	adamik: curl -kIv https://cat-v.org and you will see it
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2021-05-17 22:12:54	adamik	ah I see, yeah
2021-05-17 22:12:57	adamik	I did curl that
2021-05-17 22:13:19	adamik	I get a security flag when attempting to use https
2021-05-17 22:13:20	bparker	and neverssl.com has https because they're using cloudfront and IIRC you can't turn https off
2021-05-17 22:13:34	rascul	that's what i figured
2021-05-17 22:13:47	adamik	and I have the http site bookmarked
2021-05-17 22:14:21	rascul	there's no redirect though so you won't get to the https unless you do it yourself, follow a link to it, or your browser screws it up
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2021-05-17 22:15:10	adamik	justsomeguy: justsomeguy!
2021-05-17 22:15:17	justsomeguy	:D
2021-05-17 22:15:25	rascul	what if justsomeguy is a girl though?
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2021-05-17 22:15:38	justsomeguy	I'm actually a starfish.
2021-05-17 22:15:45	rascul	oh, that makes sense
2021-05-17 22:15:56	justsomeguy	lol
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2021-05-17 22:16:38	questi	well yes it is possible to spread malware i g
2021-05-17 22:17:19	questi	justsomeguy: could be a girl
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2021-05-17 22:17:46	LeoNice81	now theres 9 of them and we called the hotel and the lady said that she's had a bunch of them show up thinking they have a reservation and she's fully booked
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2021-05-17 22:18:54	 *	rascul hands LeoNice81 a beer
2021-05-17 22:18:59	adamik	its not looking good for you
2021-05-17 22:19:16	LeoNice81	rascul, i'm not parole, do you think I can risk it, he he
2021-05-17 22:19:23	LeoNice81	not much of a drinker anyway
2021-05-17 22:19:30	rascul	ok
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2021-05-17 22:19:35	 *	rascul passes LeoNice81 the bong
2021-05-17 22:20:27	LeoNice81	rascul, cough, cough, cough!
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2021-05-17 22:20:53	LeoNice81	what am I supposed to do with these turkis dudes?
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2021-05-17 22:21:46	LeoNice81	well their cab showed up, i;m gonna head home.
2021-05-17 22:22:07	adamik	you're going in their cab?
2021-05-17 22:22:10	adamik	the stones
2021-05-17 22:22:13	LeoNice81	i might log back on when I get there.
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2021-05-17 22:22:48	Nickwiz	FireFox just started to say I need to restart because it was updated in the background. Problem is that I have not done any upgrade. Last apt log is from yesterday and unattended is from april (size 0).
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2021-05-17 22:23:10	Nickwiz	Any idea how to check what was updated?
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2021-05-17 22:23:28	Nickwiz	It's a bit sketchy I think :/
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2021-05-17 22:24:21	Sir_Real	just surrender to the nsa
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2021-05-17 22:24:49	Nickwiz	Further it is only for one profile. I currently have 3 running. But only one of them say this ...
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2021-05-17 22:32:02	rascul	Nickwiz perhaps your firefox is auto updating and it just updated? in such a case it would want you to restart to take advantage of the update
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2021-05-17 22:33:44	Nickwiz	rascul: Yes, but there is nothing in update logs. That is what I find strange.
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2021-05-17 22:35:20	justsomeguy	What happens if you check the packages file signatures (with something like "rpm --verify $packagename")?
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2021-05-17 22:37:03	rascul	Nickwiz if firefox is self updating it won't show up in your apt logs
2021-05-17 22:37:07	rascul	since it's not using apt
2021-05-17 22:37:41	Dan39	if you are running at as a user i would imagine it can't modify the system package files
2021-05-17 22:37:44	rascul	firefox has its own buit in update mechanism that it can use
2021-05-17 22:38:09	Dan39	but maybe it stores some update files in your user home and then loads them?
2021-05-17 22:38:38	rascul	the self updating works when firefox is installed by a user not system wide
2021-05-17 22:38:43	danieldg	normally distro versions of firefox disable the firefox update
2021-05-17 22:38:53	Dan39	danieldg: that's what i would assume
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2021-05-17 22:39:12	Nickwiz	Hmm. OK. Can not remember I have seen this before. I get it after apt update, but never unattended.
2021-05-17 22:39:18	pnbeast	rascul, would your firefox want you to restart to take advantage of you?
2021-05-17 22:39:30	rascul	my firefox takes advantage of me without restarting
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2021-05-17 22:39:50	rascul	Nickwiz or maybe it's updating extensions and not the browser itself
2021-05-17 22:39:54	Dan39	nice.
2021-05-17 22:40:01	danieldg	Nickwiz: check the output of firefox, check with lsof to see if the executable was updated
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2021-05-17 22:40:26	rascul	also, where is the firefox executable? the location could tell a lot about whether it can update itself
2021-05-17 22:40:55	rascul	ie was it installed via apt system wide or was it installed from a self contained tarball extracted somewhere in ~ ?
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2021-05-17 22:41:16	Nickwiz	Yes. Checked extensions, but none of them has been updated since launch.
2021-05-17 22:41:35	rascul	it might not show they're updated until restart
2021-05-17 22:41:57	rascul	i think most can restart themselves nowadays without restarting the browser though
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2021-05-17 22:42:00	Nickwiz	It is installed system-wide, so resides in /usr/bin/firefox (/usr/lib/firefox/...
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2021-05-17 22:42:20	rascul	so it's very unlikely that the browser itself was just updated by a user
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2021-05-17 22:43:18	rascul	was this instance of firefox running when it was last upgraded?
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2021-05-17 22:44:09	Dan39	i mean, can you just go to like Help -> About Firefox and see if it matches your system version?
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2021-05-17 22:44:18	Nickwiz	No. I updated last 15th of may, have rebooted after that.
2021-05-17 22:44:26	Bashing-om	Nickwiz: A snap package ? ' snap list firefox ' .
2021-05-17 22:44:32	Nickwiz	no snap
2021-05-17 22:45:11	rascul	does snap pollute /usr ?
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2021-05-17 22:53:38	Nickwiz	Looks like there is something with the session. Session start is dated before last boot ...
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2021-05-17 22:53:54	Nickwiz	in about:telemetry#session-info-tab
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2021-05-17 22:54:52	Nickwiz	Version fits in about:telemetry#environment-data-tab , but not buildid. Believe me delete the profile all together.
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2021-05-17 22:58:55	rascul	maybe something funky with restoring a previous session?
2021-05-17 23:00:41	Nickwiz	Yes, could be. IIRC I did not open a fresh session after reboot. And had to do a hard reboot as the desktop froze.
2021-05-17 23:01:26	Nickwiz	Easy enough to rebuild the profile.
2021-05-17 23:02:05	rascul	maybe restoring the crashed session somehow confused it when it was also updated
2021-05-17 23:02:30	rascul	i may have seen weird effects in the past from such a situation
2021-05-17 23:03:56	Nickwiz	Yes. That sounds rather likely. It's a bit strange though. Did not think that data was in userland.
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2021-05-17 23:05:04	Nickwiz	But I'll consider it solved with that as an explanation :),
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2021-05-17 23:18:42	McErroneous	Hi.., somebody has experience with a Nasbox ? i am trying to move data from a external usb-hdd onto the raid..., but i cant find a filemanager in the gui...
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2021-05-17 23:23:27	McErroneous	okay.., i think i got it.., GUI >> Backup >> Data Guard , to import data from a external device .., i gues..
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2021-05-17 23:30:12	questi	:)
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2021-05-17 23:41:30	loganlee	hi guys
2021-05-17 23:42:11	c705	welcome
2021-05-17 23:42:23	loganlee	thanks
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2021-05-17 23:45:15	Tashtari	Anyone know if there's like, a master list of xcursor cursors?
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2021-05-17 23:46:16	jrandom	If my host machine is connected to a vpn server, why does the VM doesn't make requests through the vpn? The VM goes out-of-band and makes requests from the host's router rather than the vpn, which the host itself is connected to.
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2021-05-17 23:46:52	ayecee	because of how it's configured
2021-05-17 23:48:02	ayecee	how does your vm connect to the network, via bridge or via nat?
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2021-05-17 23:48:07	jrandom	Let me check my VMWare network config for this VM
2021-05-17 23:48:41	jrandom	ayecee: Ah, IT's connected through "Bridged Networking: USB LAN"
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2021-05-17 23:48:51	jrandom	aka, the ethernet cable.
2021-05-17 23:48:56	ayecee	that would do it
2021-05-17 23:49:05	edgar-rft	Tashtari: -> https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/x-window-system/9780937175149/ChapterD.html
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2021-05-17 23:49:31	jrandom	ayecee: Maybe I need share enable "Internet Sharing: Share with my Mac" I guess?
2021-05-17 23:49:42	jrandom	Insted of "USB LAN"
2021-05-17 23:49:48	ayecee	sure, maybe
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2021-05-17 23:50:08	niksen	or use kvm instead
2021-05-17 23:50:17	ayecee	no
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2021-05-17 23:50:27	jrandom	I'm on Mac, for a context.
2021-05-17 23:51:09	ayecee	niksen: nothing wrong with kvm, but it has the same settings and can have the same problem.
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2021-05-17 23:52:10	Tashtari	edgar-rft: Hm, interesting.  Is that up to date enough to be useful, though?  Like, the 'pirate' cursor isn't still a skull-and-crossbones in most themes...
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2021-05-17 23:53:32	Tashtari	(Also, the more I look at some of those cursors, the more I appreciate Susan Kare...)
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2021-05-17 23:54:19	maxrazer	Does anyone know how to get rid of "Microsoft Basic Data" as the type of a partition table? I already used fdisk and created a GPT table and used mkfs to format as ext4. Yet, fdisk -l still shows type as "Microsoft Basic data".
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2021-05-17 23:54:58	ayecee	fdisk allows you to change the partition type
2021-05-17 23:55:16	ayecee	the partition type is not connected to the filesystem on the partition
2021-05-17 23:55:18	CrazyH	I disable the weak 3des-cbc cipher in /etc/ssh/ssh_config and /etc/ssh/sshd_config by the normal methods. I then test to make sure that it doesn't work by running `ssh -c 3des-cbc user@127.0.0.1`
2021-05-17 23:55:36	CrazyH	It corretly tells me that the chiper is not available
2021-05-17 23:56:02	CrazyH	but when I run `ssh -Q cipher` it always shows 3ded-cbc at the top of the list
2021-05-17 23:56:14	CrazyH	*3des-cbc
2021-05-17 23:56:28	maxrazer	What option in fdisk is that. I press "m' To show all options. I see "g" for greate new empty GPT partition table. It isn't change.
2021-05-17 23:56:52	ayecee	t i think
2021-05-17 23:56:55	edgar-rft	Tashtari: Those are the builtin X11 cursors, themes follow FreeDesktop XDG proposals -> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/cursor-spec/
2021-05-17 23:56:56	CrazyH	Why does ssh -Q cipher keep showing ciphers that i don't have configured to work?
2021-05-17 23:57:05	sheep	I think ssh -Q cipher shows all of the ciphers that are compiled into your ssh client
2021-05-17 23:57:26	maxrazer	I know I pressed "w" to write table and quit too.
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2021-05-17 23:57:58	maxrazer	oh, "t" change partition type!
2021-05-17 23:59:28	Tashtari	edgar-rft: Aha, that's very helpful.  Thanks.
2021-05-17 23:59:32	sauvin	maxrazer, yeah, that field is largely ignored in linux.
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2021-05-18 00:03:10	edgar-rft	Tashtari: the Skull-n-Crossbones cursor still exists, at least on Debian but is overwritten with a different image by most mouse cursor themes. Also note that there is no guarantee how a specific cursor image looks like, XDG only assumes that the user understands what is meant with the image.
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2021-05-18 00:03:32	maxrazer	Ok, now it says "linux filesystem" when I do an "fdisk -l". I had to tell it type 20 which is "linux filesystem". I also had to do fdisk on the device name, not the partition. Otherwise when pressing "t" it would say no partition selected, ironically.
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2021-05-18 00:04:23	ayecee	well yeah, the partition table isn't on the partition
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2021-05-18 00:05:07	maxrazer	Oh, so if I do fdisk on a partition it is only modifying that partition, it can't modify things outside of that.
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2021-05-18 00:05:27	ayecee	right
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2021-05-18 00:06:03	Tashtari	edgar-rft: Fair enough... are there any other standards mixed in there?  I've seen some other names that are neither in the freedesktop list nor the X11 list, things like color-picker, zoom-in, pointer-move...
2021-05-18 00:06:08	maxrazer	However, I also read if there is only one partition it will modify the type of partition 1, which is what I had. By running fdisk on a partition it doesn't pass that data to which partition you want to modify the type of when you modify the partition table which is outside the type. It can't even modify that table.
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2021-05-18 00:06:44	maxrazer	I haven't set up automatic mounting of drives yet either.
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2021-05-18 00:07:27	maxrazer	For some reason gparted won't run and KDE partition manager runs, but finds no drives. Various errors on terminal in each case.
2021-05-18 00:07:41	maxrazer	But, fdisk still works.
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2021-05-18 00:09:16	edgar-rft	Tashtari: nearly everything in X11 is extendible, application programmers can define their own cursors if they have special needs. I don't know any other official standards that are in involved in any cursor specification attempts.
2021-05-18 00:10:40	niksen	what about wayland
2021-05-18 00:10:50	maxrazer	So, I can change the partition type without destroying the data?
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2021-05-18 00:12:33	Stryyker	maxrazer: can you tell us what change you want to do? often any change will mean the data won't be readable
2021-05-18 00:13:03	maxrazer	I want to change the type from "Apple HFS/HFS+" to "Linux Filesystem"
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2021-05-18 00:13:36	maxrazer	It says it has change the type, but I have not pressed "w" yet to write, assuming I have to do that.
2021-05-18 00:13:47	maxrazer	There was no warning of data loss that I could tell.
2021-05-18 00:14:07	Stryyker	you'll need to use a tool to convert all the data as the filesystem data itself, ignoring the file content, is all different
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2021-05-18 00:14:27	Stryyker	just changing the partition type in the partition table is not enough
2021-05-18 00:14:55	maxrazer	But, I think I already did that.
2021-05-18 00:15:04	rascul	how much does the partition type matter for anything?
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2021-05-18 00:15:21	maxrazer	Is the partition type just a label?
2021-05-18 00:15:29	rascul	i think so but i don't recall really
2021-05-18 00:15:29	Stryyker	sort of
2021-05-18 00:15:53	Stryyker	why do you think you have already converted the filesystem data? We have no idea what you have actually done
2021-05-18 00:16:36	maxrazer	I think I already created the GPT partition table and formatted the drive as ext4. Then I coppied all the data to it and noticed it still said the partition type was Apple HFS/HFS+
2021-05-18 00:16:40	Stryyker	rascul: It tells the OS/filesystem drivers/applications on how to interpret the data, where things are to be found etc
2021-05-18 00:16:54	Stryyker	What is it?
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2021-05-18 00:17:05	rascul	isn't that what the filesystem is for?
2021-05-18 00:17:25	maxrazer	fdisk -l says disklabel type is gpt.
2021-05-18 00:17:40	Stryyker	rascul: how do you know what filesystem it has?
2021-05-18 00:17:47	Stryyker	The partition type
2021-05-18 00:17:57	rascul	how do you know what filesystem it has when there's no partition to have a type?
2021-05-18 00:18:07	maxrazer	doing mkfs.ext4 did not change the partition type.
2021-05-18 00:18:11	rascul	you can mkfs on a raw device and it works fine
2021-05-18 00:18:30	maxrazer	At least it didn't change the partition type as shown by fdisk -l is what I mean.
2021-05-18 00:18:36	Stryyker	typically fixed drives have more than 1 partition
2021-05-18 00:18:47	rascul	sure
2021-05-18 00:18:53	rascul	they can also have no partitions
2021-05-18 00:19:28	rascul	which is why i wonder what the real significance is of a partition type
2021-05-18 00:19:32	maxrazer	I think it is too risky to change the partition type as shown by fdisk -l until I understand more or have a backup.
2021-05-18 00:19:53	Stryyker	Depends on your use case
2021-05-18 00:20:13	maxrazer	I have backed up home videos. I don't want to delete them.
2021-05-18 00:20:26	niksen	it's too risky to do anything with an important data disk without a backup
2021-05-18 00:20:35	Stryyker	maxrazer: for any data you don't want to lose you should have backups in place
2021-05-18 00:20:39	maxrazer	Yeah, that is why I was thinking I need to order another drive.
2021-05-18 00:20:41	rascul	i bet ayecee could tell me if he ever comes back
2021-05-18 00:20:46	maxrazer	I haven't gotten a backup drive yet.
2021-05-18 00:21:09	maxrazer	I was looking at getting a 5400rpm 3 or 4tb.
2021-05-18 00:21:18	Stryyker	rascul: Convenient, no need to use heuristics or incorrect guesses for types.
2021-05-18 00:21:30	rascul	Stryyker that doesn't seem to be an issue without partitions, though
2021-05-18 00:21:42	rascul	any more than it is with them, anyway
2021-05-18 00:21:43	Stryyker	Consider implementing, easier to read 1 partition table and "know" the type
2021-05-18 00:21:55	maxrazer	Oh, wait. I already backed up the home movies on another drive.
2021-05-18 00:21:55	rascul	it doesn't necessarily tell you the filesystem type, though
2021-05-18 00:22:13	Stryyker	Most of the time it does
2021-05-18 00:22:21	rascul	some of the time it does
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2021-05-18 00:22:38	rascul	not usually on a linux computer, though
2021-05-18 00:23:02	rascul	consider that ext?, xfs, btrfs, etc all use same partition type
2021-05-18 00:23:54	rascul	i may have used vfat on the same partition type also
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2021-05-18 00:24:11	loganlee	hmmmm
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2021-05-18 00:26:13	maxrazer	Any suggestion on hard drive make/model raid/backup settup? I think I can just do a simple second drive as a backup.
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2021-05-18 00:26:35	sauvin	I've had Linux partitions show up as FAT or NTFS, along with other bizarre things. Linux didn't are.
2021-05-18 00:26:36	maxrazer	4tb 5400rpm seems to be the best value.
2021-05-18 00:26:37	sauvin	*care
2021-05-18 00:27:01	rascul	sauvin i think the partition type is just a formality and isn't actually significant but i don't know for sure
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2021-05-18 00:27:28	maxrazer	I wonder if that could be because they were sold with a partition type label set to FAT or NTFS. Could that be written to manufacturer. OK, I guess it does nothing. So, not a priority.
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2021-05-18 00:27:45	sauvin	rascul, I think it WAS significant under DOS and possibly Windows, but Linux just doesn't care.
2021-05-18 00:27:56	maxrazer	Somebody on another channel says type does nothing. Only the file system does and doing mkfs will erase data, which I know. I'm not changing it now though.
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2021-05-18 00:28:51	rascul	sauvin maybe linux ignores the partition type and just cares about the filesystem? maybe, but i dunno
2021-05-18 00:28:58	sauvin	It might be worthwhile to find some materials that explain the difference between a partition table, a partition and a filesystem.
2021-05-18 00:29:09	sauvin	rascul, I think so, yes.
2021-05-18 00:29:12	maxrazer	If I create a new label such as empty GPT or DOS partition table, maybe that would make it unreadable?
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2021-05-18 00:29:35	maxrazer	fdisk says "Create a new Label" "g" create new GPT table "o" create new empty DOS partition table.
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2021-05-18 00:29:40	joelchrono12	Hello
2021-05-18 00:29:46	maxrazer	that is not change type. that is create new empty partition table.
2021-05-18 00:30:04	ryzenda	I can't remember what the software is though. Does anyone have any idea maybe? I remember there being some sort of user interface
2021-05-18 00:30:07	rascul	maxrazer i want to say that you can convert mbr to gpt without data loss but you would probably want to wait for confirmation from someone who knows better
2021-05-18 00:30:21	rascul	if that's what you're doing
2021-05-18 00:30:42	rascul	seems like something i've done before, but beers and bongs...
2021-05-18 00:30:42	maxrazer	I'm just curious. I don't need to. It is already GPT. I'm not going to try to create new GPT to find out.
2021-05-18 00:30:48	rascul	oh ok
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2021-05-18 00:31:23	maxrazer	Because before I copied any data I went in and deleted partitions and created new GPT partition table, then copied data to the drive.
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2021-05-18 00:32:18	Stryyker	You copied data before creating a partition?
2021-05-18 00:32:32	rascul	if the partitions are in the same places then the data would be accessible the same way
2021-05-18 00:32:40	maxrazer	No, after I created the GPT partition and did mkfs.ext4
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2021-05-18 00:32:57	rascul	oh if you did mkfs then it created a new filesystem
2021-05-18 00:32:58	maxrazer	partition table GPT
2021-05-18 00:33:04	rascul	also called formatting
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2021-05-18 00:33:17	maxrazer	I don't see anywhere where it lists the filesystem though strangely.
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2021-05-18 00:33:40	rascul	partitions don't know anything about filesystem types
2021-05-18 00:34:06	ZenixOwler	it appears that everytime i put my computer to sleep without fully restarting it, things tend to be slower and more laggy than when i first booted, anyone has the same issues ?
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2021-05-18 00:34:26	Stryyker	sounds like you skipped the part where you create the partition
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2021-05-18 00:34:47	maxrazer	Ok, "df -Th" shows file system.
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2021-05-18 00:35:45	 *	rascul adds some files to the system
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2021-05-18 00:37:04	maxrazer	So, df, is for file stuff, partitions and partition tables can't see file systems
2021-05-18 00:37:31	rascul	df shows mounted filesystems
2021-05-18 00:37:55	maxrazer	Yes, I had to mount it too. That makes sense because you can't read a file system to determine the type if it isn't mounted I guess.
2021-05-18 00:37:57	rascul	filesystems often (but not always) go into partitions
2021-05-18 00:38:49	maxrazer	But, you can create partition tables and delete partitions without mounting it. Actually I think I have to unmount it if it is mounted.
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2021-05-18 00:39:43	maxrazer	I'm using i3wm by the way and this may be related to why gparted and KDE partition would not run. some things missing with not desktop environment maybe. not sure.
2021-05-18 00:40:18	maxrazer	KDE partition complained of qdbus and couldn't find any devices and gparted wouldn't run at all and said it couldn't find the display sever or something.
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2021-05-18 00:44:35	maxrazer	Well, that is strange some of my folders I copied to the new drive are empty. I used rsync to copy all the files from one hard drive to another.
2021-05-18 00:44:58	maxrazer	I'm also not sure about cp vs. rsync for doing that.
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2021-05-18 00:47:57	loganlee	if i installed a vanilla debian i probably struggle with setting up things...
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2021-05-18 00:48:58	loganlee	ubuntu works out of box for the most part
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2021-05-18 00:54:19	loganlee	and... systemd is great !
2021-05-18 00:54:32	sauvin	When I still ran Debian, I had zero trouble with it.
2021-05-18 00:54:56	miskatonic	I boycott systemd
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2021-05-18 00:55:38	pnbeast	miskatonic, that's good to hear.  Do you have a petition we can all sign or a place to donate?  Maybe a newsletter?
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2021-05-18 00:56:43	miskatonic	pnbeast I have no plce. Sites like sysdfree.wordpress.com link to distributions without systemd, some of them taking donations
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2021-05-18 00:57:22	pnbeast	That's great news.  Fight the power.  Solidarity!
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2021-05-18 01:04:03	loganlee	what's wrong with systemd?
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2021-05-18 01:04:54	miskatonic	systemd is ununixish, too much unrelated functionality bunched together in a little comprehensible manner
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2021-05-18 01:32:39	pi-	`ping https://api-cloud.bitmart.com/ping` fails, even tho' `curl` works. Is there some way to 'ping' this URL without using `ping`?
2021-05-18 01:33:02	pnbeast	URLs don't ping.  Hosts ping.
2021-05-18 01:33:21	pi-	Thanks!
2021-05-18 01:34:22	loganlee	ping api-cloud.bitmart.com
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2021-05-18 02:04:23	Nickwiz	There is 5 of you :0
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2021-05-18 02:11:39	McErroneous	i created a paypal account , and send 20 euros to it.., to retrieve the 20 Euros , i have to verify like 5 times, to make sure i am not a robot monkey.., by pictures, phone calles and by email..., what the hack..
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2021-05-18 02:12:10	McErroneous	no thanks.., i am out again.. , after a single week of paypal...
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2021-05-18 02:13:02	gry	it is ok, you can delete your paypal account and share this story with friends
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2021-05-18 02:13:48	gry	find your local EFF or organization that fights for digital freedom. ask them whats the best local online payment processor.
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2021-05-18 02:16:46	McErroneous	paypal must be a intelligence service.. , collecting that much data.., i thought osama is gone..., but they are increasing barriers every where no online..., if you dont upgrade..., sorry pal..., your account and you money could get lost...
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2021-05-18 02:17:19	McErroneous	for no reason....
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2021-05-18 02:18:07	McErroneous	could as well continue bombarding the western world..., the only differnce would be .., they can blame the terrorists..
2021-05-18 02:18:37	McErroneous	for increasing the barriersn and the controls..., and cam surveilance..
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2021-05-18 02:27:33	wigums	computer broke how to fix
2021-05-18 02:27:37	McErroneous	if fighting crime or terrorists in this way, makes your neighbor, angry.., and sad.., then it is wrong..., i think..., dont build walls.., but "tear them down.."
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2021-05-18 02:27:52	McErroneous	right ?
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2021-05-18 02:30:55	sauvin	McErroneous, I think you're ignoring the situation's complexity.
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2021-05-18 02:33:56	raxor2k	this is the error i get when i type "docker-compose up --build" .. could someone help? https://bpa.st/A57A
2021-05-18 02:34:16	raxor2k	and by the way: what is the difference between using "docker-compose up" and docker-compose up --build"?
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2021-05-18 02:37:18	dp	--build will build the images before starting the containers
2021-05-18 02:37:28	dp	(it's in the helptext)
2021-05-18 02:37:49	raxor2k	and what is the difference between building them before starting them and just starting them?
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2021-05-18 02:38:07	dp	you cant start a container if you don't pull or build the image for it
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2021-05-18 02:38:19	raxor2k	ye whatever
2021-05-18 02:38:27	raxor2k	anyways i have been recommended the use --build
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2021-05-18 02:38:35	dp	if you are using custom images, --build becomes useful.
2021-05-18 02:38:45	raxor2k	yes i am using custom images
2021-05-18 02:38:46	raxor2k	my own created
2021-05-18 02:38:55	dp	There you go then
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2021-05-18 02:39:13	dp	I'm unsure about your error
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2021-05-18 02:39:46	raxor2k	dp: does it help if i also post dockerfile for the backend?
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2021-05-18 02:40:31	dp	Post the command you are running and the error output first
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2021-05-18 02:40:49	dp	so that we cantell which command gives this error and when
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2021-05-18 02:40:53	dp	cal tell*
2021-05-18 02:42:19	jbox	Can anyone give me some NAS recommendations?
2021-05-18 02:42:40	jbox	Or refer me to a good NAS article surveying the options?
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2021-05-18 02:46:56	raxor2k	here is my dockerfile, docker-compose.yml and the commands: https://bpa.st/N23A
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2021-05-18 02:52:27	raxor2k	RayTracer: you asking me?
2021-05-18 02:52:32	raxor2k	obviously its not running
2021-05-18 02:52:50	sauvin	.oO(more like lumbering and swaying like a stinking drunk hillbilly)
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2021-05-18 03:00:19	RayTracer	raxor2k: so what is your question then
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2021-05-18 03:00:47	raxor2k	my question is why do i get this error :ERROR: Couldn't connect to Docker daemon at http+docker://localhost - is it running?
2021-05-18 03:00:47	raxor2k	If it's at a non-standard location, specify the URL with the DOCKER_HOST environment variable.
2021-05-18 03:00:58	raxor2k	when typing in "docker-compose up --build" ?
2021-05-18 03:01:07	RayTracer	raxor2k: obviously because docker is not running
2021-05-18 03:01:32	jjakob	McErroneous: ##Linux-offtopic
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2021-05-18 03:02:42	jjakob	raxor2k: or you're not running the command as root
2021-05-18 03:03:41	jjakob	you need root to connect to the docker control socket, or your user must be added to the docker group (which if I remember right is less safe)
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2021-05-18 03:03:55	raxor2k	1. docker is running 2.i am root   3. i can run the backend docker container without problem(without docker compose)
2021-05-18 03:04:11	raxor2k	jjakob: and my user is added to docker group .
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2021-05-18 03:04:30	jjakob	what version of docker-compose and docker?
2021-05-18 03:04:47	jjakob	you said you are root but now you are a user?
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2021-05-18 03:05:18	raxor2k	jeez..
2021-05-18 03:05:22	raxor2k	my user has root permission
2021-05-18 03:05:29	raxor2k	my user is a part of root group
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2021-05-18 03:05:35	raxor2k	my user is also added to docker group
2021-05-18 03:05:50	raxor2k	docker-compose version: 1.25.0      and docker version: 19.03.8
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2021-05-18 03:06:51	jjakob	try upgrading docker-compose
2021-05-18 03:07:07	jjakob	1.25 is >1.5yrs old
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2021-05-18 03:08:55	raxor2k	ok 1 min
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2021-05-18 03:13:57	raxor2k	clear
2021-05-18 03:14:36	raxor2k	Still the same error tho.
2021-05-18 03:15:06	raxor2k	but i still have docker-compose 1.25.0 after updating..
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2021-05-18 03:25:28	raxor2k	let say i try running "docker-compose up" instead of build, i get then the error: ERROR: no such image: backend - /home/vlori:/usr/src/app - /usr/src/app/node_modules: invalid reference format   , i supposed it has something to do with line 3 in the second file here? https://bpa.st/N23A
2021-05-18 03:25:34	raxor2k	could this be the hidden problem i have?
2021-05-18 03:25:34	jjakob	raxor2k: ss -tulpn | grep -i docker
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2021-05-18 03:26:08	raxor2k	jjakob: that command didnt do anything
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2021-05-18 03:27:30	geirha	lines 24 and 25 in that paste doesn't make much sense
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2021-05-18 03:28:28	bryan	does your compose script build or just run the image?
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2021-05-18 03:28:44	raxor2k	well.. im trying to build it before running
2021-05-18 03:28:50	raxor2k	but as you can see i have no success
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2021-05-18 03:30:15	jjakob	don't know why docker-compose would be trying to connect over http when it has /run/docker.sock but then I don't know how it does it normally or if http+docker:// is a weird way of saying docker.sock
2021-05-18 03:30:32	jjakob	try asking about that error at #docker
2021-05-18 03:30:41	raxor2k	everything about docker is weird
2021-05-18 03:30:48	raxor2k	999 problem with 999 different solutions
2021-05-18 03:31:47	bryan	can you share the compose script?
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2021-05-18 03:32:01	geirha	comment out the image: line, and the following two which appear to be meant as volumes:
2021-05-18 03:32:08	bryan	if I remember correctly you can either just run an image on `up`, or build & run
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2021-05-18 03:33:50	raxor2k	bryan: everything is here... https://bpa.st/N23A
2021-05-18 03:33:59	raxor2k	1 file(the very 1 line) is the command
2021-05-18 03:34:25	bryan	daemon is running?
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2021-05-18 03:35:18	bryan	systemctl status docker, or whatever manager
2021-05-18 03:35:41	raxor2k	yes
2021-05-18 03:35:44	raxor2k	daemon is running
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2021-05-18 03:36:29	bryan	what do you get if you run docker info without sudo/root
2021-05-18 03:36:44	geirha	raxor2k: again, lines 24 and 25 in your docker-compose.yml are wrong
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2021-05-18 03:38:04	raxor2k	bryan: this is what i get when i run docker info without sudo: https://bpa.st/SHVQ
2021-05-18 03:38:09	raxor2k	geirha: how is that wrong ?
2021-05-18 03:38:29	geirha	a list of volumes/mounts belong under volumes: not under image:
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2021-05-18 03:39:32	raxor2k	geirha: should i just remove those lines or?
2021-05-18 03:39:32	bryan	https://docs.docker.com/samples/wordpress/ ctrl+f image:
2021-05-18 03:40:14	logithack	Please consider this scenario: https://pastebin.com/Tw3DCzqq The bottom line says what my goal is. I've been dealing with 'ssh -D' and 'ssh -L' in variou attempts, but can't seem to get it done. Any ideas how this could work?
2021-05-18 03:40:16	DkrTremos	morning
2021-05-18 03:40:28	geirha	raxor2k: they are also odd, even as volumes. Normally, you'd copy the application into the image, not mount it in the container
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2021-05-18 03:45:45	raxor2k	geirha: how about this solution then? https://bpa.st/A6AA
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2021-05-18 03:47:09	geirha	raxor2k: you're already copying all files in your dockerfile, with COPY . ., so the volume still doesn't make sense. You're hiding the built files with your local tree
2021-05-18 03:47:11	ignapk	morning, having following proc file source code https://github.com/Dil3mm4/labyrinth_kernel_prague/blob/labyrinth_r2.2/drivers/log_usertype/log-usertype2.c, do I understand correctly that I should be able to simply # echo 1 > /proc/log-usertype? Thank you in advance
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2021-05-18 03:54:49	jaggz	is it just me or.. why the heck can I activate and put my other display to the left of my primary and it work in windows, but in linux the window management isn't smart enough to do this without shoving all my windows over there too?
2021-05-18 03:55:32	jaggz	(technically, it seems, it's not smart enough to SHIFT them back to the primary, which is now at an offset of the larger virtual desktop size)
2021-05-18 03:55:58	jaggz	and, really, it's likely not that it's not smart enough, but that the geniuses coding the stuff never implemented this management
2021-05-18 03:55:58	raxor2k	geirha: ok so then just remove the lines then
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2021-05-18 04:08:09	dp	Why would you need to do that
2021-05-18 04:08:18	dp	xyproblem?
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2021-05-18 04:10:00	swarfega	just look at it?
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2021-05-18 04:12:11	rouji	isn't usb c pretty much just a physical form factor?
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2021-05-18 04:14:45	dp	Yeah
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2021-05-18 04:15:12	dp	There might be ways to tell around things like the USB switches that map the diff. pairs to the right side of the connector
2021-05-18 04:15:16	dp	But just look at the connector :)
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2021-05-18 04:23:27	raxor2k	geirha: thank you !!!
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2021-05-18 04:32:03	rouji	I'm not sure that kind of information is available to the OS
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2021-05-18 04:37:07	gholms	I updated from 5.4 to 5.10 and tried to keep my configs as similar as possible, but when I'm running the newer kernel the trackpad doesn't seem to recognize when I press it.
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2021-05-18 04:37:40	gholms	X configs are the same, it's using libinput for both versions, and AFAICT all of userspace is identical both before and after.
2021-05-18 04:38:19	gholms	When I tell libinput to dump all of its inputs it shows button presses when I tap the trackpad or the button right above it, but not when I actually press the trackpad itself.
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2021-05-18 04:39:07	gholms	What sort of thing should I be looking for?  The main difference I have seen is slightly different device paths in dmesg (i8042 vs rmi)
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2021-05-18 04:48:05	ValeraRozuvan	Hey guys. Do you suggest to create separate mount partitions for /dev /run /sys , and allocate maybe 100mb for each? When doing a new install.
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2021-05-18 04:50:37	niflce	cant find case that need these
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2021-05-18 04:52:47	gholms	AFAIK /sys shouldn't need a filesystem because you're just going to mount sysfs there
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2021-05-18 04:57:32	Skaface	i always just have 1 partition for everything (except EFI partition obviously)
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2021-05-18 04:59:59	fling	What to do if I see lots of cpu usage but no process is using this much
2021-05-18 05:00:10	fling	Is it kernel doing something?
2021-05-18 05:00:24	Skaface	run htop and see whats using the cpu
2021-05-18 05:00:31	fling	htop does not say
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2021-05-18 05:00:48	Skaface	it should.. sort by cpu usage
2021-05-18 05:00:57	fling	one core has long gray bar in it
2021-05-18 05:01:02	fling	which is not accounted for cpu usage
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2021-05-18 05:01:09	fling	does not show
2021-05-18 05:01:32	gholms	Is this a VM?
2021-05-18 05:01:33	Skaface	thats weird
2021-05-18 05:01:47	fling	a laptop
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2021-05-18 05:02:09	gholms	There goes the CPU-stealing theory, then
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2021-05-18 05:02:21	fling	what is it
2021-05-18 05:02:30	gholms	Specific to virtual machines
2021-05-18 05:03:38	fling	killing mpv fixed it
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2021-05-18 05:03:57	fling	now I need to know why it was not accounted for cpu usage in htop
2021-05-18 05:04:17	fling	gray bars are what is unknown probably, so htop knows total but can't tell what is going on
2021-05-18 05:04:21	Skaface	is it something to do with the integrated graphics card? just a guess
2021-05-18 05:04:33	fling	interesting
2021-05-18 05:04:44	fling	or i/o
2021-05-18 05:04:52	Skaface	try forcing mpv to use software decoding rather than hw
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2021-05-18 05:04:59	fling	mpv was playing over sshfs which now froze
2021-05-18 05:05:09	fling	I don't have hw
2021-05-18 05:05:44	Skaface	it should still be able to use the integrated graphics to decode though i think
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2021-05-18 05:06:27	fling	only for mpeg-2 on x200
2021-05-18 05:06:32	fling	I don't have dvds :D
2021-05-18 05:06:38	Skaface	hmm ok
2021-05-18 05:07:17	fling	so apparently mpv got stuck in i/o
2021-05-18 05:07:32	Skaface	if you play a video locally with mpv does it still do it?
2021-05-18 05:07:33	fling	but I was able to resize it hmm
2021-05-18 05:07:44	fling	no, I never seen this one before
2021-05-18 05:07:50	fling	this is new for me
2021-05-18 05:07:54	Skaface	ah ok, interesting
2021-05-18 05:08:06	stenno_	good day, i have a question about permissions: the 'service' user has the following groups: service apache. I did a chmod -R 664 on the directory /var/www/html/project/import. Now my colleague tries to drop a file via SCP in the /var/www/html/project/import/folder, but gets a permission denied error.
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2021-05-18 05:08:33	fling	this is probably some fishy fuse thread hid behind the process tree :D
2021-05-18 05:08:42	stenno_	do i have to make sure that the 'service' user can also read /var, /var/www, /var/www/html and /var/www/html/project ?
2021-05-18 05:09:17	fling	stenno_: read and also enter
2021-05-18 05:10:01	stenno_	how is 'entering' expressed in the chmod mask?
2021-05-18 05:10:32	stenno_	to clarify, the /var/www/html folder belongs to apache and the group apache
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2021-05-18 05:11:34	stenno_	i assumed that the user can enter the directory as long as they have read permissions
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2021-05-18 05:12:20	gholms	You need +x to be able to traverse a directory, whereas +r allows you to read its contents
2021-05-18 05:12:46	stenno_	oh
2021-05-18 05:12:56	stenno_	so that would be 775 instead of 664
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2021-05-18 05:13:08	stenno_	or 770 actually
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2021-05-18 05:15:39	dostoyevsky	So sles15 seems to have a deadlock in OverlayFS... has OverlayFS ever had a race condition type of bug that was fixed in recent times?
2021-05-18 05:15:45	stenno_	i think i will do it different then - the service user will just upload to /home/service/folder, and then i will copy the files with a cronjob to the actual directory
2021-05-18 05:16:08	fling	very sneaky
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2021-05-18 05:16:41	stenno_	it feels strange giving a service user r-x permissions on /var ...
2021-05-18 05:17:45	dostoyevsky	hmmm: https://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-xfs/msg47715.html
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2021-05-18 05:20:13	Skaface	can you put a symlink in the web server to point to that users web folder in their home directory? im not sure of any security implications doing this though
2021-05-18 05:20:56	fling	This is when you might consider using /srv
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2021-05-18 05:21:51	Skaface	oh thats a good suggestion
2021-05-18 05:22:43	stenno_	what do you mean with that? i would create a /srv directory and then symlink to /var/www/html/project/folder?
2021-05-18 05:23:33	Skaface	change the config to use /src rather than /var/www/html
2021-05-18 05:23:37	Skaface	srv i meant
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2021-05-18 05:24:30	stenno_	right, then i wouldn't have to concern myself with permissions on /var
2021-05-18 05:24:51	stenno_	i see now, that could work
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2021-05-18 05:27:41	phogg	stenno_: you would want 750 in any case, unless apache needs write permission too. Even if it needs write access somewhere it won't need it everywhere.
2021-05-18 05:28:34	stenno_	i think apache will only need write access for cache and session directories inside the project dir, noted
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2021-05-18 05:29:11	stenno_	alright, thanks a lot
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2021-05-18 05:33:48	fling	stenno_: there is also #web
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2021-05-18 05:47:26	maret	Hi I am trying to change default booting option for ubuntu server to different kernel afaik given this grub cfg -> https://paste.debian.net/1197957/ I should set GRUB_DEFAULT="gnulinux-advanced-88781ebc-4b9d-43cc-908f-411c03f7e814>gnulinux-5.11.0-051100-generic-advanced-88781ebc-4b9d-43cc-908f-411c03f7e814"
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2021-05-18 05:56:22	dp	rouji, depends on the board. But you're right "usb-C-ness" isn't something to query from software in a general way
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2021-05-18 07:18:47	triceratux	thatll work [    0.000000] Linux version 5.12.3-1-default (geeko@buildhost) (gcc (SUSE Linux) 10.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils; openSUSE Tumbleweed) 2.36.1.20210326-3) #1 SMP Wed May 12 09:01:49 UTC 2021 (25d4ec7)
2021-05-18 07:18:48	triceratux	https://github.com/geckolinux/geckolinux-project/releases/tag/210517.999
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2021-05-18 07:20:53	[twisti]	anyone got any idea what on earth is going on here ?
2021-05-18 07:20:58	[twisti]	https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/tl2bkd9O/
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2021-05-18 07:23:37	hexnewbie	[twisti]: shopt | grep expand_aliases
2021-05-18 07:24:09	itt788	i have a key in my keyboard that produces "XF86tools" signal in xfce. I'd that it tries "play/pause" to whatever media player that it first find as currently running.
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2021-05-18 07:24:42	[twisti]	hexnewbie: it reports off, thanks
2021-05-18 07:24:59	itt788	should i write a bash code and bind it to the signal XF86tools in xfce settings?
2021-05-18 07:25:14	itt788	or is there a simpler way to do that?
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2021-05-18 07:25:38	hexnewbie	itt788: In KDE one can do that that by setting a global shortcut for controlling the players. Maybe Xfce can? Do a search for MPRIS Xfce hotkey ?
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2021-05-18 07:26:53	hexnewbie	itt788: Or install playerctl and use ‘playerctl pause’
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2021-05-18 07:29:48	hkm	hi!
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2021-05-18 07:31:24	lockywolf	is there a robust way to make some traffic go through a vpn connection, but not the rest?
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2021-05-18 07:32:19	lockywolf	I saw a netns option, but chromium, for example, is escaping its netns.
2021-05-18 07:32:36	rouji	how would it escape that?
2021-05-18 07:32:51	hexnewbie	The routes of the namespace are wrong?
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2021-05-18 07:33:12	lockywolf	it would escape it because it is doing so deliberately
2021-05-18 07:33:31	lockywolf	it creates its own "sandboxes" for each thread
2021-05-18 07:33:34	hkm	I wish to create a gzipped tar archive of the directory ~/a/b/c/d and want the archive to be labeled d.tar.gz, however when I extract d.tar.gz, I wish it to only contain the contents of d and not d + empty directories of ~/a/b/c/. How can I accomplish this?
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2021-05-18 07:34:02	hkm	I looked around tar --help but couldnt see anything
2021-05-18 07:34:05	MarcWeber	How important is it to have parity on raids ?
2021-05-18 07:34:07	rouji	does it have the necessary CAPs set or something?
2021-05-18 07:34:24	msiism	hkm: Maybe the manual page has more on this.
2021-05-18 07:34:24	hexnewbie	hkm: tar -C ~/a/b/c -cpzf ~/d.tar.gz d
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2021-05-18 07:34:33	msiism	Or hexnewbie…
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2021-05-18 07:34:47	hkm	haha thanks :) hexnewbie
2021-05-18 07:35:10	 *	msiism wonders why --help even exists.
2021-05-18 07:35:18	 *	msiism can think of two reasons.
2021-05-18 07:35:33	hexnewbie	Us DOSers still prefer tar -?
2021-05-18 07:35:46	IIIFE	Don't you mean tar /?
2021-05-18 07:36:06	rouji	lockywolf: what is your setup and how did you determine it's escaping the namespace?
2021-05-18 07:36:09	hexnewbie	There were DOS archivers that used - switches and -?. I don't recall which, though
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2021-05-18 07:36:44	IIIFE	Good ol' DOS. I found the DOS fonts to be better than linux, maybe I'm just being attached to nostalgia.
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2021-05-18 07:37:10	hexnewbie	Well, there are no DOS fonts. Those were in your video card's ROM, I think?
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2021-05-18 07:37:38	lockywolf	rouji, chromium has /usr/lib64/chromium/chrome-sandbox
2021-05-18 07:37:41	lockywolf	which is suid root
2021-05-18 07:37:52	msiism	Aren't fonts things like bold and italic and regular?
2021-05-18 07:37:58	rouji	the hell? chuck it in the bin
2021-05-18 07:38:20	hexnewbie	The VGA is very close to whatever font my BIOS computer used to have (except dotted zero instead of slashes zero), and I use it on both virtual consoles and terminal (from time to time)
2021-05-18 07:38:40	lockywolf	https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/issues/4087
2021-05-18 07:38:43	IIIFE	What VGA are you talking about?
2021-05-18 07:39:31	lockywolf	I initially found about this by asking firejail guys.
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2021-05-18 07:40:08	lockywolf	But in any case, I don't want to rely on something that requires fiddling with each individual program.
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2021-05-18 07:40:25	hexnewbie	IIIFE: /usr/share/consolefonts/CyrSlav-VGA16.psf.gz and u_vga16.bdf for X (non-Pango)
2021-05-18 07:40:45	itt788	hexnewbie: ok i just installed it
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2021-05-18 07:40:59	lockywolf	I'd prefer having, I guess, a list of domains/ips that should be routed to somewhere.
2021-05-18 07:41:09	itt788	it seems to work with audacious but not with mplayer
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2021-05-18 07:41:40	hexnewbie	itt788: For audacious, you'd need to enable the MPRIS2 general plugin. For mplayer it wouldn't work without a frontend like smplayer which supports MPRIS2
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2021-05-18 07:43:12	msiism	Okay, so, --help seems to exist because a) "people" hate writing *roff and texinfo alike, and b) rendering that stuff causes some overhead.
2021-05-18 07:43:30	hexnewbie	itt788: And if you're OK with mpv instead of mplayer, there's a plugin for it: https://github.com/hoyon/mpv-mpris
2021-05-18 07:44:08	IIIFE	MPV honestly is the best video player for linux. It let me played flash videos without flash for years.
2021-05-18 07:44:25	msiism	Also, c) man pages being a second-calss citizen, GNU was able to steal their way around writing man pages by using help2man.
2021-05-18 07:44:47	msiism	2 is for "second-class".
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2021-05-18 07:47:16	BluesKaj	Hi folks
2021-05-18 07:47:16	hexnewbie	IIIFE: I've used mplayer for that. I didn't know mpv existed when flash video stopped existing for me.
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2021-05-18 07:47:31	IIIFE	Hello BluesKaj
2021-05-18 07:48:05	BluesKaj	hi IIIFE
2021-05-18 07:48:46	itt788	IIIFE: did you try mplayer?
2021-05-18 07:48:55	peetaur	IIIFE: yeah mplayer was the best and now mpv
2021-05-18 07:49:11	hexnewbie	Well, kind of. My newest flash videos are from April, May and September 2013. mpv was first released in August 2013
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2021-05-18 07:49:23	itt788	mplayer is impressing
2021-05-18 07:49:41	msiism	Has mpv improved in recent years? Because the version I'm running in my Devuan stable system can't really compete with VLC.
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2021-05-18 07:49:59	IIIFE	Yeah I've tried mplayer, it comes with slackware by default.
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2021-05-18 07:50:19	peetaur	comparing mpv and vlc is like comparing vim and libreoffice
2021-05-18 07:50:55	msiism	peetaur: Well, I sepcifically meant the ability to play just about anyhting without hickups.
2021-05-18 07:51:09	msiism	s/sep/spec
2021-05-18 07:51:13	IIIFE	Speaking VLC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8o9G5DeLQc
2021-05-18 07:51:17	peetaur	(and yes 'mpv --vo=drm ...' can play things in text mode ttys too)
2021-05-18 07:51:25	hexnewbie	Yeah, I always found vim the superior to libreoffice
2021-05-18 07:51:36	itt788	IIIFE: it's only from one of the last stable release that it is shipped with it
2021-05-18 07:51:42	 *	hexnewbie awaits the punishment
2021-05-18 07:51:55	itt788	IIIFE: probably slackware 14
2021-05-18 07:52:12	Aryan	Hi what tutorial/courses do you guys suggest me to see about linux?
2021-05-18 07:52:13	hexnewbie	Yeah, mpv --vo=drm made me remove mplayer from my scripts
2021-05-18 07:52:27	IIIFE	What do you want to know specifically Aryan?
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2021-05-18 07:52:32	msiism	Aryan: Read all the manual pages on your system.
2021-05-18 07:52:54	Nickwiz	mpv, is getting there. Now it has implemented console as well (as in mplayer) :P
2021-05-18 07:52:57	Aryan	I'm having a lot of extra internet data on my service msiism
2021-05-18 07:53:05	itt788	the last is 14.2 in 2016
2021-05-18 07:53:06	ananke	this isn't 1995, we don't need to rely on stupid man pages
2021-05-18 07:53:18	IIIFE	itt788, slackware 15 is coming out in a few months.
2021-05-18 07:53:19	Aryan	ananke, thank you!
2021-05-18 07:53:51	peetaur	yeah we don't need man pages any more since we memorized them between 1991 and now
2021-05-18 07:54:10	msiism	ananke: No, in 2021 we need to rely on whether there are potentially a ton half-right of stockoverflaw answers in stickoverthrow…
2021-05-18 07:54:12	ananke	Aryan: and there are thousands of online courses, videos, and tutorials. frankly, don't expect recommendations from this channel. go pick your favorite medium, and you'll find reviews there
2021-05-18 07:54:22	lockywolf	Aryan, where are you from?
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2021-05-18 07:54:38	ananke	msiism: man pages are not for learning a broad range of subjects, they're a reference material
2021-05-18 07:54:44	msiism	s/ton half-right of/ton of half-right
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2021-05-18 07:55:10	lockywolf	in any case, I recommend signing up for a paid-for course in your city, off-line
2021-05-18 07:55:15	msiism	ananke: Have you tried man bash? That does cover a wide range of subjects.
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2021-05-18 07:55:20	Aryan	lockywolf, Iran.
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2021-05-18 07:55:34	triceratux	start here https://lateweb.info/worst-linux-distros-for-beginners-and-what-to-choose/
2021-05-18 07:55:35	IIIFE	I like ed. Ed just works and it's a great text editor without the distractions.
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2021-05-18 07:55:36	ananke	msiism: yes, and all of them specific to bash
2021-05-18 07:55:45	msiism	ananke: Ok, you win.
2021-05-18 07:55:51	lockywolf	ok, then I don't know. but anyway, the first ~80 hours of learning Linux are better done with supervision
2021-05-18 07:56:10	ananke	Aryan: system admin guides for RHEL & SLES are also good starting points
2021-05-18 07:56:53	Aryan	ananke, yeah, they're fantastic!
2021-05-18 07:56:53	msiism	Aryan: My more serious recommendation is: Find things that you don't like about your system/setup, then try to fix them, reading up on how those things actually work in the process.
2021-05-18 07:57:10	IIIFE	One thing about bash you have to remember, never assume every computer that will run the script has bash installed. Avoid bashims.
2021-05-18 07:57:40	msiism	IIIFE: It's just as reasonable to require Bash, though.
2021-05-18 07:57:50	Aryan	triceratux, where is 'Arch Linux' on that article?
2021-05-18 07:57:55	lockywolf	IIIFE, it's easily avoided. Just use #/usr/bin/env bash at the top of your scripts.
2021-05-18 07:57:57	jelly	hard to find a GNU/Linux setup that doesn't, but there are more distros with different libc and busybox these days
2021-05-18 07:58:05	jelly	lockywolf, that's very silly
2021-05-18 07:58:28	lockywolf	that's the only way to avoid unexpected behaviour
2021-05-18 07:58:29	jelly	find me a Linux where bash isn't in /bin/bash
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2021-05-18 07:58:45	IIIFE	msiism, what if you want your script to also work on *BSD? I can't reasonably assume or expect an openbsd admin to have bash installed.
2021-05-18 07:58:52	lockywolf	jelly, android
2021-05-18 07:59:00	jelly	is not Linux
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2021-05-18 07:59:13	lockywolf	it's absolutely 100% Linux
2021-05-18 07:59:14	msiism	IIIFE: And that is a very special use case, totally not fit to have general recommendations derived from it.
2021-05-18 07:59:26	Aryan	msiism, Can you give me an example of what do YOU don't like about your system?
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2021-05-18 07:59:34	msiism	IIIFE: Also, installing Bash in OpenBSD is a breeze.
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2021-05-18 08:00:05	 *	jelly shrugs
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2021-05-18 08:01:01	msiism	Aryan: Now that's is a question… lots of things. E.g., Devuan comes with an "ancient" version of Nano, so I wrote a script for automating getting the latest upstream version.
2021-05-18 08:01:06	msiism	Things like that…
2021-05-18 08:01:20	lockywolf	It's generally a weird idea to expect the same script run on different OSes do the same.
2021-05-18 08:01:20	lockywolf	the standard shell on OpenBSD is ksh
2021-05-18 08:01:20	lockywolf	installing bash on Openbsd is not a problem at all
2021-05-18 08:01:42	hexnewbie	These days you can annoy two groups of people at once with a single shebang: #!/usr/bin/env -S bash -e
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2021-05-18 08:02:08	djph	msiism: although, isn't that "ancient" version thanks to Debian-style updates?
2021-05-18 08:02:24	msiism	All I'm trying to say is, if you don't absolutely must have POSIX campatibility or Bash/Ksh polyglot code, there is good reason not to avoid Bashisms because they can be really useful.
2021-05-18 08:02:37	msiism	djph: Sure.
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2021-05-18 08:03:26	msiism	Okay, speed is also a reason not to use Bash…
2021-05-18 08:03:56	Aryan	msiism, Cool.
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2021-05-18 08:04:48	Aryan	msiism, who needs speed. enjoy conviniency
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2021-05-18 08:05:38	msiism	Aryan: Do you know that joke about water?
2021-05-18 08:06:00	Aryan	msiism, no, what's that?
2021-05-18 08:06:06	akik	american beer
2021-05-18 08:06:15	msiism	Like, let's see if I can tell it…
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2021-05-18 08:07:06	Aryan	https://www.scarymommy.com/water-jokes/
2021-05-18 08:07:19	msiism	So, when someone is thirsty and ask for water, they expect, like, a glass of water of something, not being thrown into a pool.
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2021-05-18 08:07:33	jellyb	beggars cannot be choosers
2021-05-18 08:07:37	msiism	s/water of /water or
2021-05-18 08:07:37	jellyb	theres water in the pool
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2021-05-18 08:07:50	msiism	It's about the amount.
2021-05-18 08:08:02	 *	msiism failed at telling a joke.
2021-05-18 08:08:23	msiism	What I was trying to say is, that at a certain lack of speed, there will be no convenience.
2021-05-18 08:08:37	msiism	May I should have just said that.
2021-05-18 08:08:43	msiism	s/May/Maybe
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2021-05-18 08:09:06	Aryan	msiism, :D
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2021-05-18 08:12:30	hkm	how can I get . to be stored as ~/foo/bar and .. to be stored as ~/foo in a variable when I pass . and .. to a script? I'm guessing that I have to use eval.
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2021-05-18 08:14:14	raxor2k	guys, can someone help me solve this error, i am SO CLOSE to making this work now ! : https://bpa.st/WRTA
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2021-05-18 08:14:34	msiism	hkm: Sounds like you're on the way to entering a world of pain.
2021-05-18 08:14:44	akik	hkm: try "dir=$(readlink -f $1)"
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2021-05-18 08:14:52	msiism	hkm: What are you trying to do?
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2021-05-18 08:16:43	caterfxo	hkm: how about... just use pathnames...?
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2021-05-18 08:17:09	hkm	well tell that to the users caterfxo :)
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2021-05-18 08:17:40	caterfxo	if you're passing '.' to a script, then why also pass '..'?
2021-05-18 08:17:44	hkm	msiism, akik's solution seems to work. Im writing a basic backup script which utilizes tar
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2021-05-18 08:18:50	hkm	well like I said, the user should be able to use it whoever he wishes to, but I was just giving an example earlier so people can better understand what I mean
2021-05-18 08:18:57	caterfxo	I'm assuming this is bash....
2021-05-18 08:19:08	hkm	sh actually
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2021-05-18 08:19:19	msiism	hkm: So, why don't you just throw the directories you want to back up into the archive?
2021-05-18 08:19:37	msiism	hkm: Is there a special reason you use POSIX shell?
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2021-05-18 08:19:59	hkm	msiism, to learn it better mainly. I'm a student
2021-05-18 08:20:12	msiism	Because if you do, you should also make sure you only use the tools that POSIX allows and in a way it allows them to be used…
2021-05-18 08:20:22	msiism	Okay, I see.
2021-05-18 08:20:36	hkm	yes great point thanks
2021-05-18 08:21:05	msiism	If this thing is split up into a couple of functions, though, I'd seriously recommend against POSIX sh.
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2021-05-18 08:21:32	msiism	I mean, this is backup. You don't want to introduce extra way to screw that up, do you?
2021-05-18 08:21:39	hkm	why is that msiism?
2021-05-18 08:21:46	hkm	no i would not haha
2021-05-18 08:21:51	msiism	POSIX shell doesn't even have local variables.
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2021-05-18 08:22:03	msiism	I mean, except for positional arguments.
2021-05-18 08:22:13	msiism	This is _dangerous_.
2021-05-18 08:22:16	IIIFE	What's the recommended way to have new users have certain options by default?
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2021-05-18 08:22:29	hkm	right, i dont use local variables either way, guess I should start using them ...
2021-05-18 08:22:33	Dan39	IIIFE: in what context?
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2021-05-18 08:22:48	Dan39	IIIFE: like, adding users to linux OS?
2021-05-18 08:22:51	peetaur	IIIFE: put it in /etc/skel/
2021-05-18 08:22:55	Dan39	IIIFE: there is /etc/skel
2021-05-18 08:22:59	msiism	hkm: Yeah, some things should pretty certainly be local.
2021-05-18 08:23:02	IIIFE	Lets say I'm using KDE, and have some things enabled or some things disabled, and want new users to use those settings as well.
2021-05-18 08:23:10	hkm	also do you know where I might find POSIX approved tools, msiism
2021-05-18 08:23:20	hkm	like a simple list
2021-05-18 08:23:30	Dan39	IIIFE: ooh, hmmm. that may not be what you want. hmm
2021-05-18 08:23:32	msiism	hkm: This isn't how it works, sadly.
2021-05-18 08:23:42	hkm	for instance i would like to know if readlink is POSIX approved
2021-05-18 08:23:42	msiism	hkm: You just need to read the spec.
2021-05-18 08:23:54	akik	i wouldn't care about posix. just know what your system has and work with those tools
2021-05-18 08:23:54	hkm	ah ok this: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/idx/shell.html ?
2021-05-18 08:23:55	msiism	readlink is not POSIX, as far as I recall.
2021-05-18 08:24:00	msiism	hkm: Right.
2021-05-18 08:24:06	Dan39	IIIFE: actually, it could work for sure, depending on the DE
2021-05-18 08:24:14	hkm	ok thanks :)
2021-05-18 08:24:20	IIIFE	I'm specifically talking about KDE.
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2021-05-18 08:24:25	sadiq75	how do i check if my machine has non executable stack working?
2021-05-18 08:24:26	Dan39	right
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2021-05-18 08:24:52	msiism	hkm: More like this, though: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9699919799/
2021-05-18 08:24:56	akik	linux is not even posix certified
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2021-05-18 08:25:18	msiism	The "Shell and Utilities" volume is your friend.
2021-05-18 08:25:35	hkm	awesome thanks
2021-05-18 08:26:06	caterfxo	sadiq75:  I _think_  `lscpu | grep nx`  is a workable answer, but I haven't a lot of experience with this
2021-05-18 08:27:05	IIIFE	If I'm running a rendering farm for animation, do I need to care about keeping the distros that are running the farm up to date? I assume it won't have internet access.
2021-05-18 08:27:31	akik	"In September 2015, the Debian project confirmed that while support for Filesystem Hierarchy Standard (FHS) would continue, support for LSB had been dropped.[22] Ubuntu followed Debian in November 2015."
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2021-05-18 08:28:42	msiism	hkm: One thing I tend to do when I need something POSIX doesn't specify and I still want it to be somewhat Unix-compatible is looking at whether the BSDs and illumos have it. If they do, I use it.
2021-05-18 08:28:46	caterfxo	IIIFE: how dependable does the rendering farm need to be?
2021-05-18 08:28:57	IIIFE	I'm just saying a rendering farm in general.
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2021-05-18 08:29:20	hkm	ah smart thanks msiism !
2021-05-18 08:29:23	msiism	hkm: I actually mean Linux/GNU/Busybox, BSDs, illumos.
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2021-05-18 08:30:43	caterfxo	IIIFE: if it's possible someone could at some point in the future put the system online, then of course a system which hasn't had any software upgrades would be more vulnerable in general
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2021-05-18 08:32:09	IIIFE	How could I manage updates for a large farm without overloading the repo servers? Have just one server fetch the updates and copy it to the rest?
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2021-05-18 08:33:55	ananke	IIIFE: some distro have caching proxies specifically for package updates
2021-05-18 08:34:17	raxor2k	can someone body help me solve this error? https://bpa.st/DF3Q
2021-05-18 08:34:19	ananke	IIIFE: distros even. so it would help to know which one you run
2021-05-18 08:34:30	ananke	raxor2k: that's a #nodejs issue
2021-05-18 08:34:40	caterfxo	for an orchestrated rollout of s.w. updates, pull is usually preferrable to push, so the local client machines can update one by one or however you wish
2021-05-18 08:34:40	raxor2k	ananke: ok im sorry
2021-05-18 08:35:31	ananke	IIIFE: not to mention, there are dedicated tools to manage updates and cache repos, such as spacewalk
2021-05-18 08:35:47	ananke	argh, spacewalk is defunct now
2021-05-18 08:35:57	IIIFE	I'll just use squid.
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2021-05-18 08:36:58	ananke	IIIFE: be sure to configure it to cache larger objects. the defaults are too low to cache most packages
2021-05-18 08:37:01	caterfxo	I learned about this topic reading an older book on CFEngine, myself, but there's also ansible, puppet, chef....
2021-05-18 08:37:27	ananke	caterfxo: none of them solve this particular problem
2021-05-18 08:37:32	caterfxo	oh, nice!  :-)
2021-05-18 08:37:41	 *	msiism wonders how puppets and chefs relate, in general.
2021-05-18 08:38:29	IIIFE	Is it common to use multiple distros (we'll say 2-3) in a production environment? Like one for the server (lets say debian) and a different one for production work.
2021-05-18 08:38:54	ananke	IIIFE: yes, no, maybe. that question is too vague to answer
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2021-05-18 08:39:14	ananke	IIIFE: how do the 'server' and 'production work' differ?
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2021-05-18 08:39:53	IIIFE	I'm looking into setting a few things up for some animation stuff, you know, blender and the like. I want to use slackware for the farm because I like slackware and it's easy n' quick to setup, but a different distro to make the animation on.
2021-05-18 08:40:08	caterfxo	ananke: well, I haven't used the other three programs yet, but CFEngine can manage a repo and do updates of a LAN
2021-05-18 08:40:35	msiism	Isn't Slackware also that definitely-not-"secure"-by-default distro?
2021-05-18 08:40:59	IIIFE	What are you talking about?
2021-05-18 08:41:05	ananke	caterfxo: neither ansible nor chef have anything inherent to manage a mirror repo
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2021-05-18 08:41:41	caterfxo	ananke: I stand corrected, sir!  :-)
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2021-05-18 08:42:47	msiism	IIIFE: I'd have to go through my notes…, sorry.
2021-05-18 08:42:48	ananke	caterfxo: sure, you can use any of them to manage repo configuration on your systems, but that's about it. nothing to actually mirror an upstream repo and serve it via http/ftp/whatever. you'd have to stitch something together to get that going, and I somehow doubt cfengine has something built in for that (but would be happy to learn otherwise)
2021-05-18 08:43:21	IIIFE	Maybe instead of mixing up distros, I should just go full slackware instead. I can still use the latest versions of blender and KDE software with slackware anyways.
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2021-05-18 08:43:44	peetaur	IIIFE: servers should run whatever stable release cycle distro works well for that service (so yeah, a few distros... centos/oracle linux for a stupid oracle db for example, centos for freepbx, debian for proxmox, centos or ubuntu for ceph...mostly everything else runs on whatever distro you want)
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2021-05-18 08:44:00	ananke	IIIFE: not sure what's involved in setting up/managing your 'farm', but slackware is the last distro I'd think of doing on a larger scale. none of the config management systems fully support it
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2021-05-18 08:44:14	ananke	heck, even automating the install is a pita
2021-05-18 08:44:23	caterfxo	ananke: yeah, no, cfengine can totally do that. that's part of what it was originally designed for, but I digress.
2021-05-18 08:44:24	IIIFE	I'll look into a different distro then.
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2021-05-18 08:45:33	ananke	caterfxo: got any source/link that would mention said feature or describe how it works? I can't seem to find any mention of it
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2021-05-18 08:46:35	IIIFE	Would you say that debian is the easiest to automate installation/updates?
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2021-05-18 08:47:03	caterfxo	IIIFE: my understanding is that multiple distros on a LAN is more common than there being only one distro, but using just one distro could be easier to implement. if it's like windows vs mac, though, mac's are generally considered more effective for use with video editing. ymmv
2021-05-18 08:47:15	ananke	IIIFE: not really, but it's certainly easier than slackware. I personally can't stand preseed's asinine syntax
2021-05-18 08:47:40	caterfxo	ananke: Automating Unix and Linux System Adminstration, 2e
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2021-05-18 08:48:51	ananke	caterfxo: considering it's a book, it's not something that can be easily looked up. what does that book refer to? what's the proposed cfengine feature name?
2021-05-18 08:49:04	caterfxo	it's from like 2009 tho
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2021-05-18 08:49:48	rascul	what is the book supposed to show?
2021-05-18 08:50:15	caterfxo	ananke: I can appreciate your curiosity, but is this question for some specific problem or just academic?
2021-05-18 08:50:28	rascul	https://archive.org/details/isbn_9781430210597
2021-05-18 08:50:29	ananke	rascul: that cfengine has some kind of built-in feature that provides ability to mirror repos
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2021-05-18 08:51:06	rascul	i wonder where in the book it might show such a thing
2021-05-18 08:51:14	 *	rascul has the book open currently
2021-05-18 08:51:32	ananke	caterfxo: academic. when I used cfengine, it did not have such capabilities. I also can't find any mention of it on the web. which makes me wonder how you arrived at such conclusion
2021-05-18 08:52:16	caterfxo	but actually I have to get to work; sorry I really don't have the time for this query today.  ttyl
2021-05-18 08:52:31	rascul	i haven't noticed anything similar in the book's table of contents
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2021-05-18 09:03:15	gobby252	Hey, I have a disk that I attached to my openmediavault server which is running Linux... I want the disk that I attached to go to standby after a specific time and also set the timer correctly using hdparm or hd-idle. Yet it doesnt go to sleep
2021-05-18 09:03:58	gobby252	using dstat -tdD /dev/sda --top-io I can see that every few seconds, there is a systemd-process doing some IO-Operations... any idea what that is ? Is it necessary? can i stop it?
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2021-05-18 09:04:25	panosdev	gobby252: what is the service name?
2021-05-18 09:04:32	gobby252	systemd
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2021-05-18 09:05:28	panosdev	gobby252: so systemd accesses the filesystem, I don't think you can do much for that
2021-05-18 09:05:34	gobby252	wait im uploading a picturehttps://imgur.com/a/OxtaD84
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2021-05-18 09:06:26	panosdev	gobby252: you can use a different process manager
2021-05-18 09:06:38	gobby252	hm i dont know about that
2021-05-18 09:06:52	panosdev	why
2021-05-18 09:06:56	gobby252	how to do that?
2021-05-18 09:07:13	panosdev	the easiest way would be to use a different distribution
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2021-05-18 09:07:47	gobby252	well, I am running a server with openmediavault, I would like to keep that
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2021-05-18 09:09:22	panosdev	gobby252: why do you want the hdd to go to sleep?
2021-05-18 09:09:32	gobby252	because it runs constantly
2021-05-18 09:09:39	gobby252	and its unnecessary if there is no read or write on it
2021-05-18 09:10:00	gobby252	normally all HDDs do that automatically
2021-05-18 09:10:08	panosdev	gobby252: you mean it's spinning?
2021-05-18 09:10:12	gobby252	yes
2021-05-18 09:10:19	gobby252	I set spindown time, but it doesnt spin down
2021-05-18 09:10:22	panosdev	gobby252: how much cache does it have?
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2021-05-18 09:10:29	gobby252	how can i see that?
2021-05-18 09:10:53	panosdev	search on the web by using the product name
2021-05-18 09:10:53	gtlsgamr	Uh hey guys. Just wanted to see if anyone faces this issue. Does the first start up after boot  of a browser take longer than subsequent startups? If it does, have you found a way to reduce that time?
2021-05-18 09:11:08	panosdev	and find the datasheet of the hdd
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2021-05-18 09:11:33	panosdev	gtlsgamr: that is normal
2021-05-18 09:12:14	ananke	gtlsgamr: move your storage to SSD/NVME
2021-05-18 09:12:35	gtlsgamr	It is already NVME, it still takes 5 seconds for the first start of either firefox or chromium
2021-05-18 09:12:50	Khaytsus	5s??  What slow-ass NVME do you have? :P
2021-05-18 09:12:58	gtlsgamr	I know right!
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2021-05-18 09:13:03	Khaytsus	WD Blue or something? ;)
2021-05-18 09:13:06	Dominian	 /11
2021-05-18 09:13:17	ramzy411	akik: you online?
2021-05-18 09:13:18	ananke	gtlsgamr: you can run strace, see if it hangs on any specific system calls
2021-05-18 09:13:58	panosdev	for me it takes like 15 seconds because I still use a hdd from 2010...
2021-05-18 09:14:01	gobby252	from what I found it is 256 MB cache panosdev
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2021-05-18 09:14:46	gtlsgamr	ananke: Got that same suggestion as well. Today is the first time heard of strace so I am learning how to use it
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2021-05-18 09:14:46	gtlsgamr	Khaytsus:  Sandisk Corp WD Black 2018 / PC SN520 NVMe SSD
2021-05-18 09:14:46	Khaytsus	Strace might be a little hard to follow and very noisy but may see it hang, worth a try
2021-05-18 09:14:46	ananke	gtlsgamr: strace -t -f <yourprogram>
2021-05-18 09:14:49	RayTracer	gobby252: maybe you can find more directed hints in the openmediavault forum, like https://forum.openmediavault.org/index.php?thread/32626-spindown-problem/
2021-05-18 09:15:28	panosdev	gobby252: after a few hours where you don't use it, does it still spin?
2021-05-18 09:15:49	ananke	gtlsgamr: though the fact that it does it only on the first run, logically it would point to just loading stuff from storage and caching it for the first time
2021-05-18 09:15:51	gobby252	yes
2021-05-18 09:15:57	gobby252	Thanks RayTracer for the link...
2021-05-18 09:15:59	akik	ramzy411: yes
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2021-05-18 09:17:40	gtlsgamr	ananke: Yes, logically that should happen. I am only looking for ways to make it as fast as possible. Although there will always he a slight difference
2021-05-18 09:18:29	panosdev	gobby252: sorry I can't help you, but it seems like some of those guys from the forum managed to do it
2021-05-18 09:18:40	gobby252	yeah, im reading the forum right now
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2021-05-18 09:18:46	gobby252	thanks for your time a lot panosdev
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2021-05-18 09:23:17	magnulu	hello - I have tried various ways of syncing photos from my phone to my headless debian, but always there is the problem if the synced image is moved (imported into lightroom) it gets re-synced from my phone
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2021-05-18 09:24:51	magnulu	any suggestions for a solution? I don't want the removed image to get deleted on my phone, I just want it to not get copied over again
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2021-05-18 09:27:46	Khaytsus	Nextcloud has a pretty solid image sync
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2021-05-18 09:30:04	botnet	hi all. I have some issues with the suspend process on Fedora 34. I've read in some blogs that might be the swap size, as the system can't go into the suspend mode if the swap does not have a certain size
2021-05-18 09:30:18	botnet	might this be true, related?
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2021-05-18 09:31:29	magnulu	Khaytsus: ok thanks, will look into it
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2021-05-18 09:34:12	Khaytsus	Suspend does not use swap/disk space.  Hibernate would.
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2021-05-18 09:42:14	rouji	magnulu: syncthing has been working very well for me
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2021-05-18 09:43:15	RayTracer	botnet: hibernate == suspend to disk.. also, it makes sense to have hybrid sleep, where the os hibernates before suspend to ram, so you aren't sad if your battery is empty before you can resume from ram. So, I'd say yes
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2021-05-18 09:48:51	magnulu	rouji: I thought it didn't support what I was looking for
2021-05-18 09:49:24	rouji	I move stuff from/to those folders on either end all the time
2021-05-18 09:49:26	rouji	works fine
2021-05-18 09:50:14	magnulu	so if you delete a file on remote, syncthing will not transfer it again from your device on the next run?
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2021-05-18 09:50:29	rouji	it won't
2021-05-18 09:50:29	magnulu	(or delete it from your device)
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2021-05-18 09:51:17	magnulu	nice, then I will try it out as it more lightweight than nextcloud
2021-05-18 09:51:32	magnulu	ty
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2021-05-18 09:51:50	rouji	you can configure it to behave like that with read-only nodes though, if you want that behaviour
2021-05-18 09:52:42	magnulu	where is the documentation for this? I was reading through their page earlier today, but I missed this
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2021-05-18 09:54:59	magnulu	I guess it comes down to the "ignoreDelete" option then
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2021-05-18 09:56:27	rouji	not sure, I just remember being able to set nodes as read-only (or something) when I set it up ages ago
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2021-05-18 09:57:51	AckSynAck	hello, I have an ongoing problem removing external disks from the system. when I properly unmount them, I cant lock them, "device busy", despite that it is not "busy" in any window or terminal.
2021-05-18 09:58:21	AckSynAck	and if it is a VM, I disconnect it and still see the partition, which is the current problem. how can I remove this appearing partition despite that the disk is disconnected from vm?
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2021-05-18 09:58:44	AckSynAck	and how can I solve the underlying problem of disk "busy" despite that it is unmounted?
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2021-05-18 10:01:12	Revantine	@AckSynAck I would start out with "lsof" and grep for the mount point to see if something has it open. Even shell cd to a path on the mount will keep it from unmounting.
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2021-05-18 10:04:07	RayTracer	AckSynAck: what tells you it is busy? you can also do "echo 1 > /sys/block/sdX/device/delete" but you better be sure that all is fine before this virtual unplug step
2021-05-18 10:04:18	magnulu	rouji: thanks, I sued syncthing ages ago and somehow abandoned it for something else - will look into it again :)
2021-05-18 10:04:30	magnulu	used, not sued ;)
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2021-05-18 10:11:11	varaindemian	I am experiencing various issues with ubuntu LTS 20.04 and 18.04 on a DELL precision 3551. Would you recommen some other stable distro?
2021-05-18 10:11:33	Dominian	Switching distros may not be the answer...
2021-05-18 10:11:44	Dominian	what are the 'issues' you're having?
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2021-05-18 10:12:36	varaindemian	weird sounds after a some inactivity to the the sound
2021-05-18 10:12:49	varaindemian	weird app freezes
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2021-05-18 10:15:51	hexnewbie	Similarly sounding symptoms can result from various problems ranging from low memory conditions moving important programs to swap (or out of cache) to disk spindown. And include PulseAudio bugs (though for me the sound hiccups when I already have something playing), and hardware issues.
2021-05-18 10:16:14	hexnewbie	That is, it does not narrow it down that much.
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2021-05-18 10:17:05	hexnewbie	Oh, and let's not forget dying storage drive. (I'm so far listing only the reasons my current desktop hangs from time time)
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2021-05-18 10:18:27	aaro	varaindemian: regarding sound issues -> https://major.io/2019/03/04/stop-audio-pops-on-intel-hd-audio/
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2021-05-18 10:19:30	varaindemian	aaro: hmm that's good. thank you!
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2021-05-18 10:20:54	varaindemian	aaro: also should I disable any security in the bios since I am experiencing some interesting behaviour on 20.04 and not on 18.04 like the os is no booting at all after shutdown
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2021-05-18 10:24:33	hexnewbie	varaindemian: What kind of security?
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2021-05-18 10:43:55	AckSynAck	RayTracer, I am sorry for late response. I had something else going on just after asking...should your above command contain sdX or sdXY ?
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2021-05-18 10:45:18	RayTracer	AckSynAck: it's offlining the complete device, not single partitions
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2021-05-18 10:47:13	AckSynAck	RayTracer, I am not sure if I am running the command correctly, is it literally like this; "echo 1 > /sys/block/sdb/device/delete" ?
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2021-05-18 10:48:38	varaindemian	can I restore my system from a live cd using Deja Vu?
2021-05-18 10:48:51	varaindemian	Déjà Dup *
2021-05-18 10:48:52	varaindemian	sorry
2021-05-18 10:49:21	RayTracer	AckSynAck: yes, this will offline sdb device; if something still uses it, it gets i/o errors then
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2021-05-18 10:56:29	AckSynAck	RayTracer, I am instead getting "sys/block/sdb/device/delete: no such file and directory", whereas when I reattach the disk and try to unlock the same partition, the original error says; "error unlocking device /dev/sdb1: Failed to activate device: File exists (udisks-error-quark, 0)"
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2021-05-18 10:58:07	hexnewbie	If sdb exists, /sys/block/sdb/device/delete shouldn't give you No such file or directory error, ever. You either misspelled it, or /sys is unavailable.
2021-05-18 10:58:40	RayTracer	AckSynAck: the first looks like a missing / in front of sys to me. I still wonder what tells you about busy or locking - the latter suggests udisks but the context remains unclear to me
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2021-05-18 11:03:10	AckSynAck	RayTracer, sorry, I forgot to add "/" in front of sys here, but the command itself has it, it is complete
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2021-05-18 11:06:20	RayTracer	I don't see why that would happen, if sdb exists. Is encryption involved in that setup?
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2021-05-18 11:09:47	AckSynAck	RayTracer, yes, if you mean whether the partition is encrypted
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2021-05-18 11:10:18	RayTracer	well, never expose important information unless explicitely being asked for, eh?
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2021-05-18 11:11:14	AckSynAck	RayTracer, did I do so? I thought that was your question
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2021-05-18 11:11:44	hexnewbie	The most important bit of a helping ritual is the heavy lifting of wringing out all relevant information is on the shoulders of the one helping.
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2021-05-18 11:13:09	RayTracer	it is important information that it's not just a simple disk but is an encrypted disk, because that means dm-crypt is involved which makes a separate layer of block devices; usually you need to cryptsetup open and also cryptsetup close before removing underlying block devices
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2021-05-18 11:19:10	sozuba	I just came across Subgraph OS, looks really cool. Has nayone heard of it? ALso noticed its development ha stopped, does anyone have an idea why?
2021-05-18 11:19:33	RayTracer	AckSynAck: if there are leftover dm-crypt mappings, you can try to remove them with dmsetup remove to get things in shape. Alternatively, you can reboot and start over with the task or question that you initially had. It looks like it could be "how do I properly remove encrypted devices from the system?".
2021-05-18 11:20:27	RayTracer	sozuba: I have no idea but a tongue in cheek at the moment, so I'll guess it was just too "Sub"
2021-05-18 11:20:42	sozuba	RayTracer, haha
2021-05-18 11:20:47	AckSynAck	RayTracer, quite likely the reason is the leftover you mention
2021-05-18 11:20:55	msiism	sozuba: Yep, heard of it. Even bookmarked their website.
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2021-05-18 11:22:01	sozuba	msiism, i can't find any status updates of them. It sucks. WHich i was cool enough to help develop.
2021-05-18 11:22:10	sozuba	wish*
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2021-05-18 11:22:35	Dan39	im kind of dissapointed that running 6 `openssl speed` got my CPU hotter than `stress-ng --cpu 6`
2021-05-18 11:23:07	apteryx	is attempting to setgid/setuid on a process that has already forked child processes undefined behavior?
2021-05-18 11:23:14	msiism	sozuba: I basically haven't looked at that site for, like, a year. So, no idea about status updates.
2021-05-18 11:23:23	Dan39	you would think the utility that it's whole point is just to stress test would do the best to... strsss test
2021-05-18 11:23:33	sozuba	I came across subgraph as i was looking for a way to spawn sandboxed environments through namespaces. QubesOs looked too much resource hungry.
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2021-05-18 11:23:53	sozuba	msiism, cool. I am glad that someone had taken notice of it :)
2021-05-18 11:25:06	hexnewbie	apteryx: It's pretty much defined. The process changes uid/gid, end of story.
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2021-05-18 11:25:20	apteryx	hexnewbie: OK!  Thanks for the info.
2021-05-18 11:25:33	Dan39	you know gnuplot is unrelated to GNU? :P
2021-05-18 11:26:16	hexnewbie	Dan39: If stress-ng throttled your CPU, it would cool off and work slower ;p
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2021-05-18 11:26:38	Dan39	it doesn't even use the GPL license...
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2021-05-18 11:27:01	Dan39	hexnewbie: ummm, i dont see any throttling messages in dmesg tho
2021-05-18 11:27:02	msiism	Why is it called gnuplot then?
2021-05-18 11:27:38	tmm88	heyho. how are you doing guys?
2021-05-18 11:27:42	tmm88	:)
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2021-05-18 11:27:49	varaindemian	anyone????????????
2021-05-18 11:28:07	varaindemian	sorry for "?.."
2021-05-18 11:28:32	Dan39	wikipefia says The name of this program was originally chosen to avoid conflicts with a program called "newplot", and was originally a compromise between "llamaplot" and "nplot"
2021-05-18 11:28:47	msiism	:)
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2021-05-18 11:29:01	Dan39	llamaplot would've been a lot better
2021-05-18 11:29:29	AckSynAck	RayTracer, thank you, I will restart the computer for now
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2021-05-18 11:29:34	AckSynAck	hexnewbie, thank you
2021-05-18 11:29:34	hexnewbie	Camels are more plotty-looking though
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2021-05-18 11:30:52	msiism	hexnewbie: But lamas spit, habitually. Also, how are camels more plotty-looking, exactyl?
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2021-05-18 11:31:13	msiism	The logo could have been a lama spitting a graph on paper or seomthing.
2021-05-18 11:31:18	hexnewbie	AckSynAck: On a second thought, the sdb device could have been deleted, hence /dev/sdb and /sys/block/sdb *not* existing, yet a user (such as dm-crypt!?) keeping a handle of the non-existing sdb name open, preventing the kernel from using (?!). It happens at the kernel level when I rush into unplugging things without making sure they are not in use, although I'm not sure of the *exact* symptoms.
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2021-05-18 11:31:37	RayTracer	Dan39: seems stress-ng can do quite some different types of stressing; if your cpu runs hot mainly on crypto operations, maybe --af-alg would be a better choice than --cpu
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2021-05-18 11:31:54	hexnewbie	AckSynAck: I only know that I get sdj instead of sdi after I do that
2021-05-18 11:32:09	hexnewbie	msiism: Camels have humps, llamas are flat.
2021-05-18 11:32:22	Dan39	RayTracer: yeah possibly
2021-05-18 11:32:26	msiism	hexnewbie: Okay, fair.
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2021-05-18 11:39:34	AckSynAck	hexnewbie, it never used to happen until the last one year or less...I, too, had thought whether it was happening for without properly unplugging device, but even when I followed the proper order, still not every time, but often enough I get "busy" when trying to lock.
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2021-05-18 11:42:17	unloading	How do i install the newest driver for nct6683 on an older kernel ?
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2021-05-18 11:46:47	hexnewbie	AckSynAck: Only fuser -v prints kernel users of the underlying block device,
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2021-05-18 12:13:29	hrtk	iflema: You really need to eat some fat.
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2021-05-18 12:18:50	peetaur	hrtk: what are we talking about? nutritional advice?
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2021-05-18 12:49:09	crazyoreo0	hello everyone
2021-05-18 12:49:10	crazyoreo0	new member here.
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2021-05-18 12:49:31	bubblegum	hi new member :)
2021-05-18 12:50:09	crazyoreo0	bubblegum, thanks :)
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2021-05-18 12:57:58	swensson	Hey guys, asked this question plenty of times already but I'll try again... Maybe someone here knows:)  I want a app on my Arch box, where I can control my phones screen/apps/messages etc. Windows has this and it's called "Your Phone", but I fail to find any Linux version. Anyone have any tips?
2021-05-18 12:58:30	crazyoreo0	Apple has it too - it's device integration
2021-05-18 12:58:40	crazyoreo0	I suppose there could be something for Android...
2021-05-18 12:59:45	ananke	swensson: perhaps that should be a clue: you've asked plenty of times and still haven't gotten an answer you like
2021-05-18 13:00:09	swensson	ananke, maybe someone comes online that have missed the question ;D
2021-05-18 13:00:25	swensson	Getting desperate here, can't fiddle around with the phone at work
2021-05-18 13:00:37	ananke	swensson: ask on on a medium that doesn't require immediate response
2021-05-18 13:01:03	Sauvin	For example, a forum or message board.
2021-05-18 13:01:06	ananke	eg: stackoverflow, reddit, etc
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2021-05-18 13:01:34	Sauvin	That's "e.g.", you semiliterate LUNK!
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2021-05-18 13:01:50	Sauvin	ananke, I was clowning and was NOT getting on you about "sms".
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2021-05-18 13:02:24	ananke	Sauvin: I shall repent for this sin!
2021-05-18 13:02:30	miskatonic	What is a lunk? One of those illegal acronyms?
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2021-05-18 13:03:17	Sauvin	https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=lunk#dobs=lunkhead
2021-05-18 13:03:17	ananke	ohh, it's a _short_ for lunkhead. look who's being stingy with letters :)
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2021-05-18 13:03:39	Sauvin	The word "lunk" _does_ appear in various places, but it's not terribly common.
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2021-05-18 13:04:00	Sauvin	For someobody who speaks English as a _second_ language, I'm doing rather well, am I not? :D
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2021-05-18 13:04:59	jelly	note to self: sending a debug "diag" signal over IPMI to see if IPMI on a server works, does not show some diagnostic output
2021-05-18 13:05:31	jelly	it, in fact, sends a NMI and the OS dies immediately
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2021-05-18 13:08:45	crazyoreo0	how does one get a job with 'linux' - I'm tired of web dev work :)
2021-05-18 13:09:25	 *	Prestige would also like to know
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2021-05-18 13:09:57	crazyoreo0	I guess submitting a few patches and applying wouldn't hurt :)
2021-05-18 13:10:04	Endermen1094	what job in particular?
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2021-05-18 13:10:12	Prestige	Oh do you mean the kernel?
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2021-05-18 13:10:21	miskatonic	apply as c705's assistant; but you will have to work two years without salary before being considered for payment
2021-05-18 13:10:23	hexnewbie	3D modelling in Blender?
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2021-05-18 13:11:11	crazyoreo0	kernel I guess
2021-05-18 13:11:19	crazyoreo0	you could always join a chip company and work on driver maint
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2021-05-18 13:11:49	Prestige	go convince nvidia to open source their drivers :)
2021-05-18 13:11:52	mnemon	crazyoreo0: joininh one of the corps with their own distributions is probably the way to go if you want to get paid
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2021-05-18 13:12:04	crazyoreo0	Prestige, lol
2021-05-18 13:12:24	Endermen1094	<go convince nvidia to open source their drivers :)> that would be nice
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2021-05-18 13:12:54	crazyoreo0	maybe go join research team at Univ of Minn
2021-05-18 13:13:16	crazyoreo0	:)
2021-05-18 13:13:34	ramzy411	Hey , in vitualbox i remaved a vm , moved its files then, added it again and it has returned to an old state , how can i fix that?
2021-05-18 13:13:45	Endermen1094	wasn't there  ban on that univ for the kernal  ?
2021-05-18 13:15:12	Sauvin	ramzy411, what do you mean it "returned to an old state"?
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2021-05-18 13:19:19	rackj	What is the difference between "free" and "available" when I use 'free' command?
2021-05-18 13:19:29	Sunny93	" In most organizations there are user interface (UI) developers, backend developers, rules developers, and database experts (DBAs)."    What are rules developers?
2021-05-18 13:19:39	rackj	For example, it says I have 399M free, but 26G available?
2021-05-18 13:19:56	Prestige	did you try man free?
2021-05-18 13:19:58	rackj	Sunny93: business rules
2021-05-18 13:20:08	hexnewbie	rackj: available is more or less the free plus the non-dirty cache that can be evicted
2021-05-18 13:20:14	madprops	rackj, https://askubuntu.com/questions/867068/what-is-available-memory-while-using-free-command
2021-05-18 13:20:21	Sunny93	rackj ok thanks
2021-05-18 13:21:07	kish`	`apt search` is really crap
2021-05-18 13:21:10	hexnewbie	rackj: MemAvailable = MemFree + Active(file) + Inactive(file) + SReclaimable - min(WmarkLow, (Active(file) + Inactive(file))/2) - min(WmarkLow, SReclaimable)
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2021-05-18 13:21:17	madprops	kish`, why's that?
2021-05-18 13:21:17	kish`	`apt search irc bot` doesn't work
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2021-05-18 13:21:36	rackj	hexnewbie: thanks
2021-05-18 13:21:40	madprops	apt search "irc bot"
2021-05-18 13:21:41	Prestige	rackj: man free has a good summary at the top
2021-05-18 13:21:55	madprops	actually it works without the " "
2021-05-18 13:22:07	Sauvin	kish`, what distro are you on?
2021-05-18 13:22:14	kish`	Sauvin, mint
2021-05-18 13:22:18	madprops	use " " if you want exact results
2021-05-18 13:22:32	madprops	like google does
2021-05-18 13:22:38	Sauvin	Funny. I'm on Kubuntu and your command produces a bargeload of results.
2021-05-18 13:22:48	kish`	can i search the through the `apt show <package` in any way?
2021-05-18 13:22:57	kish`	the `apt show` gives you a full description
2021-05-18 13:23:07	kish`	perhaps there is a web service that does that for you
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2021-05-18 13:23:13	rackj	Prestige: problem is the man page doesn't really explain "unused memory" vs "how much memory is available for startingn new applications without swapping"
2021-05-18 13:23:18	swensson	I feel that my GUI is kinda laggy when pressing the windowsbutton or moving a window, but fast af when using winbutton + arrows... Any suggesstions?
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2021-05-18 14:00:04	velix	Is there a way to make `watch` like `less -S` (don't break on screen)
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2021-05-18 14:00:20	zothix	is running my sites on same vm as my bind9 nameserver a bad idea?
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2021-05-18 14:03:34	akik	velix: what breaks with watch and screen?
2021-05-18 14:04:00	velix	akik: `watch conntrack -L` breaks at end of my shell.
2021-05-18 14:04:08	peetaur	akik: he means no line breaks for long lines
2021-05-18 14:04:27	velix	akik: `conntrack -L | less -S` works fine, but ends immediately, of course.
2021-05-18 14:04:29	velix	peetaur: yeah
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2021-05-18 14:06:18	peetaur	when watch fails me, I don't use it...     while true; do conntrack -L | cut -c1-${COLUMNS}; sleep 1; done
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2021-05-18 14:06:35	peetaur	when watch fails me, I don't use it...     while true; do date; conntrack -L | cut -c1-${COLUMNS}; sleep 1; done
2021-05-18 14:06:38	akik	that's a backwards way to ask a question
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2021-05-18 14:08:20	velix	peetaur: Yeah, I already tried this: `while true; do conntrack -L; sleep 1; done | less -S`
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2021-05-18 14:08:27	velix	peetaur: But i don't have control about less then.
2021-05-18 14:08:36	velix	I think I need to patch `watch`.
2021-05-18 14:08:40	velix	Shouldn't be that hard.
2021-05-18 14:09:06	velix	or write my open one in perl or python
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2021-05-18 14:09:34	velix	Thanks for help :D
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2021-05-18 14:13:57	velix	Interesting!! Some versions have `--no-linewrap`! https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/watch.1.html
2021-05-18 14:14:13	velix	Seems like Debian Stable is too outdated, as always.
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2021-05-18 14:17:09	velix	This strict "no new features" policy of Debian is really annoying.
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2021-05-18 14:21:25	triceratux	they want you to run testing but they wont say so :) https://sparkylinux.org/
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2021-05-18 14:25:08	medard	Hello. I want to automount this LVM partition. When I mount it manually i use this command: "mount /dev/lvshare/logvol /mnt/registry"
2021-05-18 14:25:27	medard	If I want this to be done automatically, I can put it in fstab correct?
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2021-05-18 14:25:38	ananke	medard: yes
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2021-05-18 14:25:52	medard	I put this in there: /dev/mapper/lvshare-logvol      /mnt/registry           ext4    defaults        0 2
2021-05-18 14:26:10	medard	is it right? not sure about ext4
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2021-05-18 14:26:19	ananke	medard: now test it with 'mount -a', _after_ you have unmounted it
2021-05-18 14:26:41	ananke	medard: you're the only one who knows what filesystem it has. you can check with 'file -s /dev/lvshare/logvol'
2021-05-18 14:26:59	medard	I can't unmount it, it's production env
2021-05-18 14:27:04	medard	kind of
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2021-05-18 14:27:24	medard	"/dev/lvshare/logvol: symbolic link to ../dm-2"
2021-05-18 14:27:33	ananke	it's 'production', but you don't even have it codified to mount?
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2021-05-18 14:27:54	ananke	and if it's mounted already, you can type 'mount' to see the filesystem
2021-05-18 14:28:19	medard	oh, says ext4
2021-05-18 14:28:21	medard	thank you
2021-05-18 14:28:36	medard	other values are right? I don't know what defaults or 0 2 mean
2021-05-18 14:29:05	velix	triceratux: thanks. but heck, the minimal CLI iso is 674 MB
2021-05-18 14:29:10	folti_	first 0 is fs_freq
2021-05-18 14:29:11	ananke	medard: man fstab
2021-05-18 14:29:31	folti_	second 0/1/2 is fs_passno
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2021-05-18 14:30:24	folti_	second null is fsck
2021-05-18 14:30:38	folti_	or two or one
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2021-05-18 14:31:03	folti_	one for root, two, usually, for data
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2021-05-18 14:31:25	treefrob	can anyone explain how dmidecode can show 15 memory modules, each apparently 16GB in size, but /proc/meminfo tells me the total memory for the system is 74GB?
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2021-05-18 14:32:19	triceratux	just run artix or extix. theyll take care of you :) https://artixlinux.org/ http://www.extix.se/?p=816
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2021-05-18 14:32:31	treefrob	oops, it's a VMware VM, but I still don't understand how that can work
2021-05-18 14:32:48	koala_man	treefrob: it's probably virtualized and dmidecode gets the host platform stats?
2021-05-18 14:33:02	koollman	treefrob: vmware can lie as much as it wants, or let real dmi info through
2021-05-18 14:33:05	jjakob	treefrob: lockstep memory mode or some other mode that presents less memory
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2021-05-18 14:33:51	treefrob	koala_man, koollman, jjakob: thanks
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2021-05-18 14:34:41	jjakob	still 15*16 = 240GB, 74GB is 0.3 of that, so something's wrong imo
2021-05-18 14:34:48	jjakob	is this on the host or in a VM??
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2021-05-18 14:37:25	Sauvin	Holy crap, importing an sqlite database into postgresql is dead simple!
2021-05-18 14:37:41	Sauvin	Colour me yobsmacked!
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2021-05-18 14:39:29	peetaur	velix: maybe you just need the cut like in my example, before less
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2021-05-18 14:40:36	velix	peetaur: I don't want to cut. I just want to "scrool". `less -S` allows this.
2021-05-18 14:40:51	velix	peetaur: I'll backport the new watch first.
2021-05-18 14:41:05	velix	When using Debian, backporting makes 90% of your admin work ;)
2021-05-18 14:41:11	Dan39	hi Sauvin , can you use proper english please, i have no idea what "yobsmacked" is and i consider myself fluent in English ;)
2021-05-18 14:41:19	peetaur	so... you want the output interactive? that doesn't sound easy or something you'd expect watch to do
2021-05-18 14:41:29	kfrench	What the heck is colour?
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2021-05-18 14:41:33	Dan39	ha
2021-05-18 14:41:46	Dan39	i was going to ask that too, but thought it was a stretch :P
2021-05-18 14:42:40	peetaur	probably meant https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Jobsmacked
2021-05-18 14:42:51	peetaur	and colour is bri'ish for color
2021-05-18 14:42:57	Dan39	urbandictionary... always risky click at work
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2021-05-18 14:43:21	personX	anyone from iceland over here?
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2021-05-18 14:43:53	peetaur	what job do you have where a site for comprehending the otherwise incomprehensible is risky?
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2021-05-18 14:44:09	kfrench	peetaur: One where people get jobsmacked.
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2021-05-18 14:44:28	Dan39	¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-05-18 14:44:38	hexnewbie	The schmooze here is getting cockamamy.
2021-05-18 14:44:44	personX	anyone up for giving me more ideas than just iceland to choose as VPS hosting?
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2021-05-18 14:45:18	Dan39	peetaur: you must not look up much on urbandictionary. seemingly innocent terms can have pretty NSFW definitions on there
2021-05-18 14:45:54	Sauvin	Dan39, don't try the "rules lawyering" thing when you don't understand the rules and when your English is far exceeded by the person you're trying to argue WITH.
2021-05-18 14:46:22	personX	that sound very kobayashi maru
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2021-05-18 14:47:44	Dan39	Sauvin: yessir master
2021-05-18 14:47:51	hexnewbie	My LADSPA compression PulseAudio sink doesn't seem to work. My ears still hurts from the mic drop at the end.
2021-05-18 14:48:21	personX	tinkey away, my friend
2021-05-18 14:48:28	personX	*ter
2021-05-18 14:48:31	personX	**er
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2021-05-18 14:49:59	Dan39	damn, that actually worked? lol
2021-05-18 14:50:12	Dan39	oh, crap, sorry
2021-05-18 14:50:48	Dan39	the "lol" is sometimes honestly just muscle memory hahaha
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2021-05-18 14:51:09	hexnewbie	personX: Tkinter?
2021-05-18 14:51:10	rud0lf	Dan39: the face you usually have while typing "lol": :|
2021-05-18 14:51:35	Dan39	rud0lf: too true.
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2021-05-18 14:52:53	hexnewbie	I'm usually smiling when I'm sending somebody lots of love!
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2021-05-18 15:02:39	Dan39	now i'm wondering... how does everyone else pronounce "sqlite"? i always pronounced it the probably incorrect way "see-kwuhl light"
2021-05-18 15:02:57	Dan39	wow, the dev says "I wrote SQLite, and I think it should be pronounced "S-Q-L-ite". Like a mineral. But I'm cool with y'all pronouncing it any way you want. :-)"
2021-05-18 15:02:59	Dan39	nice
2021-05-18 15:03:07	ValeraRozuvan	es - qu - lait
2021-05-18 15:03:38	EugenA	trying to build whitelist filter based on hosts file
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2021-05-18 15:04:24	Dan39	EugenA: whitelist for what? incoming tcp connection? spam filter for websites? email spam? minecraft whitelist?
2021-05-18 15:04:32	hexnewbie	Sequealite to rhyme with socialite?
2021-05-18 15:04:33	EugenA	i'd like to allow only google services, so I've put play.google.com in the list, but it still cannot be loaded
2021-05-18 15:04:33	 *	hexnewbie ducks
2021-05-18 15:05:11	Sauvin	Esse Queue Light
2021-05-18 15:05:14	EugenA	I'd like filter websites reachable from browser
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2021-05-18 15:07:51	hexnewbie	EugenA: uBlock Origin for browsers that don't have that integrated
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2021-05-18 15:08:48	IIIFE	Speaking of ublock origin, is there a good standalone way to filter ads without being root?
2021-05-18 15:09:10	akik	Dan39: https://vimeo.com/453489053
2021-05-18 15:09:32	EugenA	I don't want to filter ads, I want to allow access (browser) to url from my whitelist
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2021-05-18 15:10:10	hexnewbie	EugenA: uBlock can filter anything, I use it to block spoilers from movies that are about to be released in cinema.
2021-05-18 15:10:14	EugenA	all other google urls are working fine, just play.google.com is a bit strange
2021-05-18 15:10:33	COVID-1984	hexnewbie: that's hilarious
2021-05-18 15:11:05	COVID-1984	... Luke ended up using the force ;P
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2021-05-18 15:12:32	hexnewbie	COVID-1984: Next you'd tell me can use it to crush dark troopers
2021-05-18 15:13:06	COVID-1984	I've never experienced this so-called movie spoilage
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2021-05-18 15:14:10	hexnewbie	You don't go out accidentally reading the whole plot of the movie unless you stop yourself with a browser plugin?
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2021-05-18 15:17:08	tete_	hi, i have a .pdf and it contains some images. when i run ocrmypdf i get some warnings and the process dies. the output is this: https://paste.linux.community/view/54b30235 - anyone an idea how to get this working?
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2021-05-18 15:17:18	Dan39	akik: i think i get what you are getting at lol ;)
2021-05-18 15:17:25	tete_	can i somehow pre-process the pdf so the bomb-images are somehow fixed?
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2021-05-18 15:18:13	Dan39	EugenA: another popular option lately has been pihole, that might do what you want
2021-05-18 15:18:17	hexnewbie	tete_: Try pdfsandwich just in case it uses something other than PIL. Also, since you're using this from a virtualenv, nothing stopping you from editing the limit out of the source code
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2021-05-18 15:18:45	hexnewbie	tete_: Be prepare for a chance for the computer to crash, though
2021-05-18 15:18:55	Dan39	EugenA: i don't use it myself though, so no promises.
2021-05-18 15:19:08	tete_	let me just google for pdfsandwich, thanks in advance :)
2021-05-18 15:19:59	Dan39	anyone here use or have used pihole and have an opinion on it?
2021-05-18 15:20:15	Dan39	or have researched it, or just know of it i guess haha...
2021-05-18 15:20:20	section1	i use pihole works fine.
2021-05-18 15:20:28	hexnewbie	128000000 pixels, at 1200 DPI, is 326x326 inches. Don't know how long an inch is, but I reckon that's a lot. Though it's only 2.8 GiB of RAM?
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2021-05-18 15:20:56	tete_	hexnewbie, thats from my professor. guess he copied somewhere some images, put that into microsoft impress or so and saved that as .pdf
2021-05-18 15:21:08	tete_	those are regular images, nothing special, so i guess he messed something up
2021-05-18 15:21:10	akik	!suggest Moar I/O
2021-05-18 15:21:15	akik	oops
2021-05-18 15:21:40	Dan39	:|
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2021-05-18 15:21:49	hexnewbie	Nop, wait, 11313x11313 pixels, so only 9.5x9.5 inches. My bad
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2021-05-18 15:22:21	EugenA	you mean this? https://pi-hole.net/
2021-05-18 15:22:31	Dan39	yes, that
2021-05-18 15:22:39	hexnewbie	tete_: I think you can safely remove the PIL limit. Or like, double it.
2021-05-18 15:22:40	EugenA	thanks, i'll try it
2021-05-18 15:22:49	Dan39	although i guess that usually requires you to get a raspberry pi <_<
2021-05-18 15:23:01	section1	no really
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2021-05-18 15:23:29	tete_	hexnewbie, will the .pdf size explode?
2021-05-18 15:23:30	Dan39	ah, i had a feeling it didn't, but figured i'd mention that was the common way
2021-05-18 15:23:43	Dan39	section1: you mean "not really"?
2021-05-18 15:23:51	hexnewbie	tete_: No. But now that I looked closely at your paste, that's just a warning. No errors, except that you aborted it with your keyboard
2021-05-18 15:23:55	section1	yeap..is a docker image for expmaple
2021-05-18 15:23:57	section1	example
2021-05-18 15:24:08	tete_	hexnewbie, the process gets killed after a few seconds so i killed it before that ;)
2021-05-18 15:24:20	tete_	just installed pdfsandwich, maybe that can handle that better
2021-05-18 15:24:34	hexnewbie	tete_: Killed how? Segmentation fault, OOM?
2021-05-18 15:24:35	Dan39	ah, they even have docker images now. nice. i guess it is commonly setup on many different platforms now. cool!
2021-05-18 15:24:53	tete_	hexnewbie, i dont know, the terminal just freezes
2021-05-18 15:25:15	hexnewbie	tete_: Maybe it's just working?
2021-05-18 15:25:25	tete_	the cpu fan starts blowing but after a few seconds cpu usage is falling and no process of ocrmypdf in ps aux
2021-05-18 15:25:51	section1	pihole with DoT is the way to go :)
2021-05-18 15:26:07	section1	or DoH
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2021-05-18 15:28:24	tete_	hexnewbie, pdfsandwich removes colors from images? is there some way to tell it not to do that?
2021-05-18 15:28:32	tete_	its all black and white only
2021-05-18 15:28:46	tete_	tried -nopreproc and -gray
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2021-05-18 15:28:50	hexnewbie	tete_: -rgb
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2021-05-18 15:28:55	tete_	ah
2021-05-18 15:28:56	tete_	thanks
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2021-05-18 15:29:27	jjakob	what the hell, I upgraded a server from ubuntu 16 to 18 and a one-shot ssh key I use for backups stopped working
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2021-05-18 15:29:43	jjakob	the remote end gets this "/bin/sh: 1: notify-send: not found"
2021-05-18 15:30:01	tete_	perfect, it works, thanks hexnewbie :)
2021-05-18 15:30:03	jjakob	nowhere do I run notify-send
2021-05-18 15:30:05	hexnewbie	jjakob: DSA support has been disabled as obsolete, most likely option?
2021-05-18 15:30:28	jjakob	hexnewbie: the key is ed25519
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2021-05-18 15:31:15	jjakob	this is in authorized_keys command="cd /opt/emborg_venv/bin && ./emborg -m list && ./emborg -n create",restrict ssh-ed25519 ...
2021-05-18 15:31:31	hexnewbie	So the key works, the forced command doesn't?
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2021-05-18 15:32:01	jjakob	I guess? the remote end connects fine but the forced command returns with exit status 2
2021-05-18 15:32:11	jjakob	and the above notify-send not found
2021-05-18 15:32:36	section1	install the package that have that commnd..or fix PATHs
2021-05-18 15:32:45	jjakob	emborg was installed in the previous ubuntu version in a python 3.10 venv
2021-05-18 15:33:02	jjakob	if I run it by myself it works
2021-05-18 15:33:29	hexnewbie	jjakob: Well, one of those utilities is trying to send you a desktop notification. But it sounds like it is the one in /opt, i.e. it hasn't been upgraded. That might suggest it always did, but notify-send got removed from your server during the upgrade. apt-get install libnotify-bin ?
2021-05-18 15:34:39	jjakob	there's no desktop and as I said emborg is in a python venv, what would that have to do with notify-send (and it says it's a sh script trying to run it? a python program isn't a sh script?)
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2021-05-18 15:36:34	hexnewbie	If /opt/emborg_venv/bin/emborg is indeed Python (not a sh-wrapper for the Python program) *or* lacks notify-send as the first word on line number 1, than something entirely different is going on. Wrong key, some rc file loaded by the shell somehow?
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2021-05-18 15:36:54	jjakob	well look at that, I was wrong
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2021-05-18 15:37:07	section1	looks like emborg is trying to exec notify-send ..
2021-05-18 15:37:15	jjakob	https://github.com/KenKundert/emborg/blob/5e058d399be1362253d15f0512a556877da4bed1/emborg/preferences.py#L187
2021-05-18 15:37:18	jjakob	yeah
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2021-05-18 15:37:28	jjakob	I guess if you assume...
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2021-05-18 15:37:50	jjakob	something something make an ass out of yourself
2021-05-18 15:37:58	hexnewbie	OK, I also assumed a lot. I didn't even consider that the stderr could be coming from literally any subprocess launched by emborg as well :P
2021-05-18 15:37:59	section1	as hexnewbie says try to install that package
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2021-05-18 15:38:25	jjakob	I will now that I know why I need it
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2021-05-18 15:38:50	jjakob	before I had no idea why I was executing emborg but the error was /bin/sh: 1: notify-send: not found
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2021-05-18 15:40:10	section1	or maybe ytou can change that config..and use other program,,
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2021-05-18 15:41:52	tete_	hexnewbie, i have a 29mb pdf file, after pdfsandwich it has 180mb :X any idea?
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2021-05-18 15:42:50	jjakob	https://github.com/KenKundert/emborg/blob/5e058d399be1362253d15f0512a556877da4bed1/emborg/settings.py#L324
2021-05-18 15:43:12	jjakob	I guess I can just comment notifier and it won't try to use it
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2021-05-18 15:43:57	section1	yeah too
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2021-05-18 15:45:55	hexoroid	anybody good with nmap
2021-05-18 15:45:58	hexoroid	I want to scan with nmap https://website.com/interface/ and it contains the word "Your Support" i want to basically scan port 443 range 0-255 (1.1.1.0-255). So in other words port 443 open scans directory /interface for words "Your Support"
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2021-05-18 15:46:41	lopid	using nmap?
2021-05-18 15:47:07	section1	maybe a for loop with curl and greps  :D
2021-05-18 15:47:36	jjakob	nmap isn't really the tool for that
2021-05-18 15:47:49	jjakob	I'd do as section1 said too
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2021-05-18 15:48:10	ramzy	Guys
2021-05-18 15:48:11	bernard__	wha
2021-05-18 15:48:20	akik	ramzy: is it you ramzy
2021-05-18 15:48:26	ramzy	Xorg wont star
2021-05-18 15:48:34	bernard__	typical Xorg
2021-05-18 15:48:36	ramzy	akik: yes
2021-05-18 15:48:40	jjakob	fkkin hell
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2021-05-18 15:48:48	akik	ramzy: did you have something for me earlier?
2021-05-18 15:49:05	ramzy	bernard__: understandable have a great day
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2021-05-18 15:49:26	bernard__	a man of memes
2021-05-18 15:49:30	section1	lol
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2021-05-18 15:49:38	ramzy	akik: something went wrong with the vm but i fixed it
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2021-05-18 15:50:00	ramzy	(After i masseged you)
2021-05-18 15:50:12	bernard__	do you give free masseges
2021-05-18 15:50:46	ramzy	bernard__: no i want to fix my machine
2021-05-18 15:50:54	hexoroid	lopid yes
2021-05-18 15:51:02	hexoroid	if you know how to would be great
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2021-05-18 15:52:15	DkrTremos	evening
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2021-05-18 15:52:40	section1	hexoroid, is more easy/fast to do a for loop using curl and grep.
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2021-05-18 15:52:54	hexoroid	how
2021-05-18 15:52:55	ramzy	It says "usr/lib/Xorg :error while loading hare libraries: /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 :file too short"
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2021-05-18 15:53:46	jjakob	well, you make a for loop, then put curl in it, then pipe that into grep
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2021-05-18 15:54:05	lopid	using parallel would be faster
2021-05-18 15:54:31	hexoroid	whichever works best if somebody can make script i tried with nmap but ..
2021-05-18 15:54:33	jjakob	or that
2021-05-18 15:54:40	bernard__	ah had a script to do what hexoroid wants to do
2021-05-18 15:54:49	bernard__	too bad it's lost now
2021-05-18 15:54:54	jjakob	well, read the curl man page and read some curl examples
2021-05-18 15:55:08	hexoroid	bernard__ you still have it ?
2021-05-18 15:55:09	jjakob	and then read the grep man page and examples
2021-05-18 15:55:10	hexoroid	ahh
2021-05-18 15:55:14	hexoroid	yep
2021-05-18 15:55:19	kijmn	whose in charge? i had come hear to annoy the spell bot, there always on you're case about grammer
2021-05-18 15:55:19	hexoroid	thats what i am sort of looking for
2021-05-18 15:55:50	hexoroid	other wise i have to go on each range manually http://ip:443/interface/
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2021-05-18 15:56:03	kijmn	is their a spell bot online?
2021-05-18 15:56:13	ramzy	Guys sirously any solutions?
2021-05-18 15:56:36	longxia	kijmn: ramzy is way ahead of you
2021-05-18 15:56:48	kijmn	ramzy: reinstall?
2021-05-18 15:56:54	kijmn	lol
2021-05-18 15:57:02	jjakob	ramzy: apt-get -f install
2021-05-18 15:57:05	akik	i think the bot's name is jim :)
2021-05-18 15:57:22	ramzy	jjakob: this is arch
2021-05-18 15:57:30	ramzy	I use arch ,btw
2021-05-18 15:57:40	kijmn	I'm sure he has notifications set up on mispelled werds
2021-05-18 15:57:48	jjakob	my crystal ball was wrong then
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2021-05-18 15:58:04	jjakob	sorry, no idea about pacman
2021-05-18 15:58:06	section1	hexoroid, for ((i=1;i<=255;i++)); do echo 1.1.1.$i ; curl --connect-timeout 10 -sk "https://1.1.1.$i"  | grep "Your Support" ; done
2021-05-18 15:58:11	jjakob	pacman -syu ?
2021-05-18 15:58:16	akik	kijmn: it's more for "sms talk"
2021-05-18 15:58:16	jjakob	or is it -Syu
2021-05-18 15:58:18	kijmn	pacman -S
2021-05-18 15:58:21	Dan39	shit meme ramzy -_-
2021-05-18 15:58:21	hexoroid	section1 hah
2021-05-18 15:58:23	hexoroid	let me try
2021-05-18 15:58:28	kijmn	i c
2021-05-18 15:58:38	kijmn	i dnt wnt to bova hm den
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2021-05-18 15:58:43	section1	hexoroid, yeah maybe works maybe you need to fix some stuff.
2021-05-18 15:58:47	hexoroid	section1 i run that with curl into bash script
2021-05-18 15:58:56	section1	is one bash line
2021-05-18 15:59:23	section1	and you want to change 1.1.1.x with your network
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2021-05-18 16:00:22	ramzy	Wtf pacman -Syu gives no output whatsoever
2021-05-18 16:00:46	kijmn	that's updating the system, try just reinstalling the xserver
2021-05-18 16:01:10	Sauvin	kijmn, use English.
2021-05-18 16:01:12	lopid	something like: seq 0 255 | parallel 'curl -s http://1.1.1.{}/interface/ | grep -q "Your Support" && echo {}'
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2021-05-18 16:01:14	jjakob	I said I had no idea about pacman
2021-05-18 16:01:15	hexoroid	where would you specify directory
2021-05-18 16:01:17	hexoroid	oh i see
2021-05-18 16:01:20	jjakob	I heard -Syi un a meme
2021-05-18 16:01:22	kijmn	there he is
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2021-05-18 16:01:37	CordialCatto	try pacman -S <pkg name> and when asked to reinstall say yes
2021-05-18 16:02:01	hexoroid	for ((i=1;i<=255;i++)); do echo 1.1.1.$i ; curl --connect-timeout 10 -sk "https://1.1.1.$i" | grep "Your Support" ; done
2021-05-18 16:02:05	ramzy	Pacman -S Xorg?
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2021-05-18 16:02:15	kijmn	probably
2021-05-18 16:02:16	hexoroid	this seems to work just need to supply /interface
2021-05-18 16:02:21	kijmn	you should know this ramzy
2021-05-18 16:02:29	kijmn	you've done it at least once
2021-05-18 16:02:37	section1	hexoroid, check lopid command ... looks more clean :)
2021-05-18 16:02:49	lopid	and untested
2021-05-18 16:02:53	hexoroid	for ((i=1;i<=255;i++)); do echo 1.1.1.$i/interface ; curl --connect-timeout 10 -sk "https://1.1.1.$i/interface" | grep "Your Support" ; done
2021-05-18 16:02:54	ramzy	kijmn: im asking because it also gave me no output
2021-05-18 16:02:56	hexoroid	i will
2021-05-18 16:03:10	section1	yeah i forget /interface
2021-05-18 16:03:14	CordialCatto	pacman, not Pacman
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2021-05-18 16:03:22	ramzy	yes
2021-05-18 16:03:28	kijmn	ramzy: have you tried rebooting first?
2021-05-18 16:03:35	kijmn	might be something corrupted
2021-05-18 16:03:37	kijmn	don't know
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2021-05-18 16:04:09	kijmn	ramzy: "no output" can also mean noo network access and it's timing out
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2021-05-18 16:04:25	kijmn	or it cn mean you've dd'd your install
2021-05-18 16:04:31	jjakob	well, "/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 :file too short" I would rather reinstall libglib
2021-05-18 16:05:04	jjakob	but other stuff may need glib too
2021-05-18 16:05:07	kijmn	yes
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2021-05-18 16:05:26	jjakob	you'll see if anything else fails the same way
2021-05-18 16:05:44	ramzy	kijmn: well it did say ''usable to connect to x server : network unreachable  "
2021-05-18 16:05:49	jjakob	if you can't reinstall glib cause glib is broken you've got yourself in a corner
2021-05-18 16:06:01	kijmn	i just noticed it's glib, it would explain why pacman isn't working properly
2021-05-18 16:06:09	ramzy	jjakob: i cant update anyting packman isn't working
2021-05-18 16:06:22	kijmn	system hosed
2021-05-18 16:06:24	jjakob	you could take that file from another working system of the same version
2021-05-18 16:06:42	jjakob	and then reinstall the proper version libglib to overwrite it
2021-05-18 16:06:43	kijmn	did you interrupt an install or something?
2021-05-18 16:06:44	hexoroid	we will see the result thank you quys both lopid and ramzy very interesting
2021-05-18 16:06:45	CordialCatto	you can download the glib package from arch website and then do pacman -U <pkg filename>
2021-05-18 16:07:25	kijmn	true, but you'd have to unpack it
2021-05-18 16:07:31	CordialCatto	nope
2021-05-18 16:07:41	jjakob	he didn't even say what error pacman is reporting
2021-05-18 16:07:46	ramzy	kijmn: no but i moved the .vdmk files (this is a vm)
2021-05-18 16:07:48	jjakob	it may not be glib related
2021-05-18 16:07:50	kijmn	ramzy you're going to need a recovery disk. use the arch install image
2021-05-18 16:08:02	kijmn	ramzy: then don't you have a snapshot?
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2021-05-18 16:08:29	kijmn	jjakob: afaik Xorg reported a glib issue
2021-05-18 16:08:41	ramzy	kijmn: yes but i dont wanna use it its too old ill have to ru configre lots of stuff
2021-05-18 16:08:50	jjakob	Xorg yeah, but pacman? we don't know
2021-05-18 16:08:54	kijmn	lesson learned then
2021-05-18 16:09:02	kijmn	yes we dont know i guess. you can assume that
2021-05-18 16:09:15	jjakob	you know, if you assume...
2021-05-18 16:09:15	ramzy	>he didn't even say what error pacman is reporting, littraly no output
2021-05-18 16:09:28	kijmn	ramzy: you can boot the live CD on the vm
2021-05-18 16:09:39	jjakob	and what does "echo $?" immediately after pacman say
2021-05-18 16:09:41	kijmn	ramzy: first do a backup, then try fix the system
2021-05-18 16:10:16	ramzy	can i update thu missing/corrupted stuff with pacman?
2021-05-18 16:10:28	ramzy	*yay
2021-05-18 16:10:39	jjakob	pacman -S libglib2.0 ; echo $?
2021-05-18 16:10:41	kijmn	if pacman isn't working you can't, hence use a live cd
2021-05-18 16:10:50	kijmn	ramzy: do as jjakob asks
2021-05-18 16:11:00	hexoroid	i support ramzy i can add httpS to it too
2021-05-18 16:11:29	CordialCatto	pacman -S glib2
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2021-05-18 16:13:16	ramzy	"$"
2021-05-18 16:13:21	jjakob	glib2 ? https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?O=0&SeB=n&K=glib&SB=n&SO=a&PP=50&do_Search=Go
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2021-05-18 16:13:28	jjakob	not in the list
2021-05-18 16:13:36	jjakob	maybe glib2-selinux
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2021-05-18 16:13:57	jjakob	ramzy: you forgot the ?
2021-05-18 16:14:08	jjakob	you must literally type "echo $?"
2021-05-18 16:14:20	jjakob	but immediately after pacman
2021-05-18 16:14:24	kijmn	it provides the exit code
2021-05-18 16:14:26	jjakob	so you see its return status
2021-05-18 16:14:29	ramzy	Oh , then it outputs "0"
2021-05-18 16:14:35	kijmn	ouch
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2021-05-18 16:14:46	jjakob	did you do that after the first echo $
2021-05-18 16:14:47	kijmn	"this is fine" meme
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2021-05-18 16:15:07	jjakob	try again "pacman -S glib2-selinux; echo $?"
2021-05-18 16:15:09	ramzy	kijmn: its better to go to that snapshot isn't it?
2021-05-18 16:15:15	CordialCatto	glib2 is in core repo, not aur
2021-05-18 16:15:33	CordialCatto	https://archlinux.org/packages/core/x86_64/glib2/
2021-05-18 16:15:35	kijmn	ramzy: or you can try repair it with a live CD, both are good options and will work
2021-05-18 16:15:35	jjakob	oh, then  "pacman -S glib2; echo $?"
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2021-05-18 16:16:33	ramzy	jjakob: also 0
2021-05-18 16:16:49	jjakob	weird
2021-05-18 16:16:57	ramzy	kijmn: live cd of artix?
2021-05-18 16:17:01	jjakob	maybe pacman is quiet by default
2021-05-18 16:17:10	kijmn	ramzy: anything that has pacman.
2021-05-18 16:17:13	CordialCatto	try download from link, then pacman -U <pkg filename>
2021-05-18 16:17:52	ramzy	>jjakob: maybe pacman is quiet by default , ayyy introvert bros
2021-05-18 16:18:01	kijmn	ramzy: you will mounr the live cd tools into /mnt, then chroot into / and run /mnt/.../pacman -S glib2
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2021-05-18 16:18:30	CordialCatto	probably best option ^
2021-05-18 16:18:51	jjakob	kijmn: will that work though? if he chroots into a system with broken glib the pacman inside is still gonna use that broken glib
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2021-05-18 16:19:05	kijmn	ramzy: the point is 1. to set the rootfs so that when the installed does its thing, it will put everything into the right place and 2. to use the working pacman of the live cd
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2021-05-18 16:19:37	kijmn	jjakob: possibly. i am not sure. perhaps pacman provides a --chroot option or somehing
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2021-05-18 16:19:59	jjakob	kijmn: if he chroots into the broken system he can't use the live cd tools any more
2021-05-18 16:20:03	kijmn	if you can do it with the live c during the initial install, there must be a way to do it on a finished install
2021-05-18 16:20:11	hexoroid	ramzy trying it now we will see how long it takes wish it could show the log what its doing
2021-05-18 16:20:18	jjakob	if pacman has a option to change the root directory maybe it'd work
2021-05-18 16:20:36	kijmn	jjakob: for all we know pacman on the live cd is statically compiled
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2021-05-18 16:20:45	kijmn	but it's an assumption
2021-05-18 16:20:59	jjakob	but really personally I'd just cp libglib2.0.so from the live cd into the broken system, replace the broken one, and chroot in and use pacman then
2021-05-18 16:21:21	jjakob	kijmn: doesn't really matter what the live cd pacman is
2021-05-18 16:21:27	kijmn	jjakob: you can't be sure it's the correct version. i know the Arch live cd is pretty up to date
2021-05-18 16:21:34	colemickens	hey folks, I have an initrd with an /init symlinked to a binary. When I try to boot the kernel, it tries to run `/init` and fails, giving me an "error -8". But, there are only x86_64-linux machines involved, so I'm a bit confused why I'm getting this error.
2021-05-18 16:21:41	colemickens	anyone have any tips for me?
2021-05-18 16:21:42	jjakob	once he chroots into the target he can't access the live cd any more
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2021-05-18 16:21:56	kijmn	jjakob: if the livecd pacman is statically compiled it won't use shared libs
2021-05-18 16:22:02	jjakob	kijmn: eh, usually close enough if you keep up on updates
2021-05-18 16:22:14	kijmn	jjakob: that's why i said mount the live cd tools into /mnt first
2021-05-18 16:22:16	jjakob	kijmn: but it's a chroot
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2021-05-18 16:22:34	jjakob	okay technically that might work IF it's statically compiled
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2021-05-18 16:22:54	kijmn	he'd probably get some results by just following the installation guide again, picking out the necessary steps just to install glib
2021-05-18 16:23:25	kijmn	jjakob: remember that the linker is provided by the live cd, along with the PATH. i am not sure of the exact details
2021-05-18 16:23:47	kijmn	but if it works for an inistal install, a repair session won't be any different
2021-05-18 16:24:27	kijmn	you know he will jus use the snapshot
2021-05-18 16:24:42	kijmn	so the discussion is a waste of energy :)
2021-05-18 16:25:14	ramzy	no..i always try to fix
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2021-05-18 16:25:34	kijmn	ramzy: do you understand the potential problems then?
2021-05-18 16:25:39	kijmn	you might encounte rthem
2021-05-18 16:26:05	ramzy	pacman not working inside chroot?
2021-05-18 16:26:11	kijmn	you can use ldd /mnt/.../pacman to chec which libraries it's using
2021-05-18 16:26:14	kijmn	yes
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2021-05-18 16:26:58	ramzy	Lol, the live cd isn't working:)
2021-05-18 16:27:08	kijmn	uhh
2021-05-18 16:27:20	ramzy	:p
2021-05-18 16:27:20	kijmn	not booting?
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2021-05-18 16:27:36	hexoroid	ramzy On address https://34.247.208.206 there is message Server Error, so I am trying seq 105 107 | parallel 'curl -s https://34.247.208.{}/null/ | grep -q "Server Error" && echo {}'
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2021-05-18 16:27:49	hexoroid	but its like stuck or something or slow for 1 address
2021-05-18 16:27:56	kijmn	timeout
2021-05-18 16:28:03	kijmn	you can set the timeout for curl
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2021-05-18 16:28:10	kijmn	and also, you can paralellize it
2021-05-18 16:28:21	kijmn	set the timeout to 100ms or something
2021-05-18 16:28:29	kijmn	wait, no
2021-05-18 16:28:38	kijmn	set to a few seconds if it's not a LAN
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2021-05-18 16:29:04	hexoroid	lopid i mean
2021-05-18 16:29:37	lopid	give curl the -m timeout flag
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2021-05-18 16:29:48	ramzy	>not booting?,It's just showing me a black rectangle with gui around it
2021-05-18 16:29:49	section1	hexoroid, add --connect-timeout 10 and -k options to curl
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2021-05-18 16:31:19	kijmn	ramzy: make more sense
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2021-05-18 16:31:34	hexoroid	section1 i will try seq 105 107 | parallel 'curl -s --connect-timeout 10 -k https://34.247.208.{}/null/ | grep -q "Server Error" && echo {}'
2021-05-18 16:31:49	section1	looks good
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2021-05-18 16:32:25	jim	if you made 100 sense, you'd make a dollar
2021-05-18 16:32:37	ramzy	kijmn: it gives me a gui , i choose an option (to boot from cd), it displays a black rectangle on the gui and stops working
2021-05-18 16:33:03	ramzy	jim: stonks
2021-05-18 16:33:09	kijmn	ramzy: Virtualbox?
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2021-05-18 16:33:21	hexoroid	section1 nothing :/ but on 34.247.208.206/null/ i have Server Error message so its like skipping it
2021-05-18 16:33:30	section1	hexoroid, chang the url with interface
2021-05-18 16:33:55	kijmn	ramzy: i don't know why it's not booting the live cd.
2021-05-18 16:34:11	hexoroid	url with interface meaning
2021-05-18 16:34:33	section1	34.247.208.206/null 34.247.208.206/interface
2021-05-18 16:34:41	section1	or it's null ?
2021-05-18 16:34:54	hexoroid	its null for test purpose
2021-05-18 16:35:06	kijmn	that's why it#s timing out
2021-05-18 16:35:13	jjakob	well I'll be. I have a few additional IPs added. ssh client used to use the DHCP IP as source. Now it uses the first additional IP, and it gets blocked by a firewall
2021-05-18 16:35:15	ramzy	kijmn: and i have no way of fixing it either i cant get to a working tty
2021-05-18 16:35:17	kijmn	giving 404 no doubt
2021-05-18 16:35:18	hexoroid	because Server Error message is on https://34.247.208.206/null/
2021-05-18 16:35:28	section1	oh ok.
2021-05-18 16:35:35	kijmn	ramzy: well it makes no sense that the live cd doesn't work
2021-05-18 16:35:37	section1	what error you gt in that ip ?
2021-05-18 16:35:41	section1	get*
2021-05-18 16:35:48	hexoroid	so thats why i did short range to see if it can catch "server error" message
2021-05-18 16:35:52	kijmn	ramzy: potentially corrupt settings
2021-05-18 16:35:52	jjakob	the 1sd additional ip is "scope global eth0:1" the DHCP IP is "scope global secondary eth0"
2021-05-18 16:36:11	tete_	hexnewbie, any idea why pdfsandwich removes textnotes/comments in the pdf? i made some notes during the lesson, they get removed by pdfsandwich. but not sure why.
2021-05-18 16:36:11	hexoroid	when i do seq 105 107 | parallel 'curl -s --connect-timeout 10 -k https://34.247.208.{}/null/ | grep -q "Server Error" && echo {}'
2021-05-18 16:36:15	hexoroid	nothing happens
2021-05-18 16:36:23	jjakob	and ip route shows the eth0:1 ip as src for default route
2021-05-18 16:36:39	section1	hexoroid, let me check
2021-05-18 16:36:42	hexoroid	like its running but throws greps out nothing
2021-05-18 16:36:51	ramzy	kijmn: before i moved the files the machine already had a problem with comparing packagen with pgp signiture ,does that have anything to do with it?
2021-05-18 16:36:56	hexoroid	section1 thanks
2021-05-18 16:38:40	kijmn	ramzy: maybe, maybe not. it could just be a GPG error (missing sig/key) or a corrupt system. the fact that the live cd isn't working tells me there's something wrong with the "hypervisor?" like corrupted settings, or corruption elsewhere. check your "hypervisor's" logs, and adjust some settings
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2021-05-18 16:39:18	kijmn	very vague advice, but I don't know the parameters of your system
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2021-05-18 16:39:24	hexnewbie	tete_: It turns the PDF into images, then OCRs the images, then creates a PDF out of the new images and adds text to it.
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2021-05-18 16:39:56	kijmn	jjakob: if it's grepping for a pattern it can't find, it will output nothing. try it without grep first
2021-05-18 16:39:58	tete_	hm ok
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2021-05-18 16:40:13	jjakob	kijmn: wrong person
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2021-05-18 16:40:37	kijmn	woops
2021-05-18 16:40:59	kijmn	hexoroid: if it's grepping for a pattern it can't find, it will output nothing. try it without grep first
2021-05-18 16:41:09	tete_	i tried now some options like -nopreproc but none helped, guess i'll try it again with ocrmypdf and see if i can modify the sources to allow higher limits
2021-05-18 16:41:15	section1	hexoroid, what happen if you run this: curl -s --connect-timeout 10 -k https://34.247.208.206/null   ?
2021-05-18 16:41:26	section1	hexoroid, can't connect from here.
2021-05-18 16:42:01	ramzy	kijmn: okay the cd worked
2021-05-18 16:42:16	kijmn	what was the problem?
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2021-05-18 16:42:48	ramzy	Idk , i close some unesseary setting (like my webcam)
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2021-05-18 16:43:28	ramzy	How can i fix the system now?
2021-05-18 16:43:31	hexoroid	just sits there
2021-05-18 16:43:31	kijmn	did you allocate enough ram for the vm?
2021-05-18 16:43:50	ramzy	kijmn: yes
2021-05-18 16:43:58	kijmn	hexoroid: are you just trying to do a 404 check?
2021-05-18 16:44:00	hexoroid	section1 just sits and then returns back to #
2021-05-18 16:44:11	tete_	hm ocrmypdf get killed by something
2021-05-18 16:44:18	ramzy	>How can i fix the system now?,.
2021-05-18 16:44:21	tete_	i get those warnings and then the tesseract processes get killed :D
2021-05-18 16:44:31	kijmn	ramzy: right, well follow https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Installation_guide skip most of the parts (because your system is installed) and focus just on installing glib2
2021-05-18 16:44:40	jim	ramzy, we don't permit sms-speak here, so please use 'I don't know', not 'Idk'
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2021-05-18 16:45:22	ramzy	jim: i know thus rule but i always forget ,sorry
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2021-05-18 16:45:29	hexoroid	section i am just trying to catch any of the messages The requested URL was rejected
2021-05-18 16:45:39	jim	no problem, just a reminder
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2021-05-18 16:45:59	kijmn	hexoroid: you can do a 404 check which is much faster, send an OPTIONS header instead
2021-05-18 16:46:33	section1	hexoroid, looks like you can't connect to the ip 34.247.208.206 ...  you can take out -s flag from curl to be more verbose
2021-05-18 16:46:36	kijmn	method*
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2021-05-18 16:46:53	hexoroid	https://mail.asgroup.ba/interface/
2021-05-18 16:47:32	hexoroid	for example that one section1 trying to catch The requested URL was rejected
2021-05-18 16:48:15	section1	ah cloudflare. meh
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2021-05-18 16:48:42	hexoroid	well its not on cloud
2021-05-18 16:48:53	adamik	looks like gnupg version was pulled from testing and needs to be downgraded
2021-05-18 16:48:57	hexoroid	i just put it there so you can browse it since you could not browse to that /null/
2021-05-18 16:48:58	adamik	re: arch
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2021-05-18 16:49:23	adamik	throws up a warning if you run pacman -Syu
2021-05-18 16:49:42	section1	but the server is in front of a cloudflare..to avoid robots and stuff like this
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2021-05-18 16:51:27	ramzy	Ok... i cant figure out how to chroot into the system
2021-05-18 16:52:11	ramzy	Do i mount sda1 to /mnt and chroot to it?
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2021-05-18 16:52:39	adamik	ramzy: did you encounter that warning when last upgrading?
2021-05-18 16:52:46	kijmn	ramzy: just follow the guide
2021-05-18 16:53:03	kijmn	ramzy: if sda1 is your install root then yes
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2021-05-18 16:53:57	hexoroid	section yes i know
2021-05-18 16:54:31	section1	hexoroid, if you are the admin of the site you can whitelist your ip to avoid the cloudeflare protection
2021-05-18 16:54:43	section1	cloudflare*
2021-05-18 16:55:05	kijmn	what even are you trying ot do hexoroid ?
2021-05-18 16:55:14	kijmn	there might be an easier way
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2021-05-18 16:55:28	hexoroid	http://34.255.201.44/null/ lets see if i can capture Ubuntu
2021-05-18 16:55:37	kijmn	"capture"?
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2021-05-18 16:55:43	hexoroid	yes the word
2021-05-18 16:55:52	kijmn	from a /null resource?
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2021-05-18 16:56:32	hexnewbie	Capture of Ubuntu with the space station's robotic confirmed.
2021-05-18 16:56:35	kijmn	hexoroid: ^
2021-05-18 16:57:06	hexoroid	https://52.19.27.199/null/ you see how it says 503 message for example
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2021-05-18 16:57:29	kijmn	what about it?
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2021-05-18 16:58:32	hexoroid	so i am trying to capture it in a range basically seq 195 200 | parallel 'curl -s https://52.19.27.{}/null/ | grep -q "503 Service Temporarily Unavailable" && echo {}'
2021-05-18 16:58:37	section1	hexoroid,  seq 44 45 | parallel 'curl  --connect-timeout 10 -s -k http://34.255.201.{}/null/ | grep -q "Ubuntu" && echo {}'
2021-05-18 16:58:48	section1	for 34.255.201.44
2021-05-18 16:58:53	kijmn	hexoroid: you should do a HEAD or OPTIONS method request instead
2021-05-18 16:58:54	section1	and Ubuntu
2021-05-18 16:58:58	hexoroid	yeah section1 understands what i mean
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2021-05-18 16:59:01	kijmn	that way you can get the status code
2021-05-18 16:59:09	kijmn	but WHY are you doing this?
2021-05-18 16:59:18	kijmn	and why null?
2021-05-18 16:59:22	ramzy	Okay im in the chroot enviroment what now?
2021-05-18 16:59:25	kijmn	none of this makes any sense
2021-05-18 16:59:29	section1	hexoroid, if you run that command you see an 44 number..so its found Ubuntu in .44
2021-05-18 16:59:30	hexoroid	well its not status code it may be just a message oh i was just finding random stuff with messages
2021-05-18 16:59:33	kijmn	ramzy: then run pacman -S glib2
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2021-05-18 16:59:52	kijmn	ramzy: it might/might not work. you might need to set your repos first
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2021-05-18 17:00:31	kijmn	hexoroid: so you just want to make a script that crawls resources for a text pattern?
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2021-05-18 17:00:46	ramzy	I did it gave me way too much errors
2021-05-18 17:00:46	ramzy	All of them related to glib2 files already being on the system
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2021-05-18 17:01:03	ramzy	Do i do a -R glib2
2021-05-18 17:01:04	kijmn	pacman -Sf glib2 ?
2021-05-18 17:01:10	kijmn	reinstall? yes
2021-05-18 17:01:22	hexoroid	section1 i got result 44
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2021-05-18 17:01:42	ramzy	>pacman -Sf glib2 , invalid option -f
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2021-05-18 17:01:47	section1	hexoroid, yes . that is because found "Ubuntu" in that ip
2021-05-18 17:01:49	hexoroid	and on that page it says that ip *.*.*.44 has word Ubuntu
2021-05-18 17:01:54	hexoroid	try to put Apache2
2021-05-18 17:01:56	kijmn	ramzy: man, use pacman --help
2021-05-18 17:02:03	kijmn	figure it out ramzy
2021-05-18 17:02:13	kijmn	i wasn't being literal
2021-05-18 17:02:16	kijmn	i don't use arch btw
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2021-05-18 17:02:23	section1	hexoroid, fail and its ok
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2021-05-18 17:02:38	hexoroid	i dont get it how it failed and it captures Ubuntu
2021-05-18 17:02:38	section1	try grep "Apache\/2"
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2021-05-18 17:03:22	section1	hexoroid, bad string in grep :)
2021-05-18 17:03:28	hexoroid	if you put Apache alone it catches it
2021-05-18 17:03:32	section1	yea
2021-05-18 17:03:46	hexoroid	what does \/ do
2021-05-18 17:03:47	kijmn	'Apache/2'
2021-05-18 17:03:48	ramzy	I did pacman -R glib2 and re-ran thu command , same errors
2021-05-18 17:03:56	kijmn	hexoroid: escapes the /
2021-05-18 17:04:01	hexoroid	or /
2021-05-18 17:04:05	kijmn	'' is a literal string hexoroid
2021-05-18 17:04:09	section1	yeap.
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2021-05-18 17:04:22	hexoroid	ah ok
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2021-05-18 17:04:36	kijmn	ramzy: "same errors": what errors are those?
2021-05-18 17:04:38	section1	too works with "Apache/2" as kijmn says
2021-05-18 17:04:48	kijmn	 ' '
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2021-05-18 17:05:11	hexoroid	so how would i put then The requested URL was rejected
2021-05-18 17:05:27	kijmn	does it matter?
2021-05-18 17:05:35	kijmn	trust me when I say YAGNI
2021-05-18 17:05:37	hexoroid	would it be The/requested/URL/was/rejected
2021-05-18 17:06:03	section1	like 'The requested URL was rejected'
2021-05-18 17:06:11	ramzy	"glib2: <path to a file> exists on in filesystem"
2021-05-18 17:06:21	kijmn	you know, it would be easier if we just wrote the script for him
2021-05-18 17:06:30	ramzy	For a lot of files
2021-05-18 17:06:39	section1	lol
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2021-05-18 17:06:52	hexoroid	section1 this is why i was confused Apache2 needs Apache/2 and 'The requested URL was rejected' does not need /
2021-05-18 17:06:52	ramzy	>you know, it would be easier if we just wrote the script for him , is this for me?
2021-05-18 17:07:06	kijmn	ramzy: you need to FORCE REINSTALL in that case. man pacman, or pacman --help
2021-05-18 17:07:17	hexoroid	he already did
2021-05-18 17:07:18	kijmn	ramzy: no, for hexoroi d
2021-05-18 17:07:46	section1	hexoroid, is literally as you see in the browser.
2021-05-18 17:07:50	hexoroid	section did it just catching the bug why Apache and Apache2 made difference
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2021-05-18 17:08:20	section1	hexoroid,  Apache2 is different than Apache/2
2021-05-18 17:08:28	kijmn	grep -E 'Apache *\d?'
2021-05-18 17:08:43	section1	literally says "<address>Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at 34.255.201.44 Port 80</address>"  that server
2021-05-18 17:09:01	CordialCatto	anyone knows how to find more info about Android boot.img headers? ramdisk offset, tags offset and header version specifically
2021-05-18 17:09:05	section1	not Apache2
2021-05-18 17:09:08	hexoroid	yep
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2021-05-18 17:10:45	kijmn	ramzy: any luck?
2021-05-18 17:10:56	henriqv	is there an #android channel?
2021-05-18 17:10:57	ramzy	Not yet
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2021-05-18 17:11:53	hexoroid	i see section what you mean
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2021-05-18 17:12:14	section1	:)
2021-05-18 17:12:15	adamik	henriqv: yes
2021-05-18 17:12:27	henriqv	for CordialCatto
2021-05-18 17:12:47	jjakob	henriqv: you can /msg alis list android
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2021-05-18 17:13:17	section1	well henriqv you asked :)
2021-05-18 17:13:32	henriqv	thank you!!!
2021-05-18 17:13:36	section1	lol
2021-05-18 17:13:51	kijmn	ramzy: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=142459
2021-05-18 17:14:05	kijmn	ramzy: get out of the chroot, and use the --root option for pacman instead
2021-05-18 17:14:30	kijmn	jjakob: you were right
2021-05-18 17:14:31	ramzy	Yep tried that
2021-05-18 17:14:37	kijmn	and?
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2021-05-18 17:14:39	hexoroid	ok here is great example section1 https://34.247.208.209/null/
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2021-05-18 17:14:55	jjakob	kijmn: pacman was dynamically linked?
2021-05-18 17:14:59	ramzy	Im doing a -Syyu with it to see if that fixes anything
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2021-05-18 17:15:09	hexoroid	section1 how would you capture that message
2021-05-18 17:15:11	jjakob	it's rare to see statically linked binaries nowadays
2021-05-18 17:15:26	jjakob	what is a nonce?
2021-05-18 17:15:28	adamik	try -Suu
2021-05-18 17:15:28	ramzy	>and? ,some errors
2021-05-18 17:15:48	section1	hexoroid, "anonymous is not authorized to perform" this ?
2021-05-18 17:15:59	adamik	(will downgrade packages if necessary)
2021-05-18 17:16:00	jim	henriqv, with a slightly different request, you can search channel topics
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2021-05-18 17:17:14	kijmn	ramzy: just to confirm that you are NOT in the chroot any more? run `exit` a few times
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2021-05-18 17:17:33	ramzy	Can i just upgrade glib2 , a full upgrade will take time on my shitty internet
2021-05-18 17:17:48	ramzy	kijmn: im not
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2021-05-18 17:18:29	kijmn	ramzy: right, and you ran pacman -S --root /mnt/myrootfs glib2 ?
2021-05-18 17:18:39	smlavine	ramzy: Arch does not support partial upgrades, so if it breaks it's your fault
2021-05-18 17:18:40	hexoroid	section1 eq 208 210 | parallel 'curl -s https://34.247.208.{}/null/ | grep -q "Message" && echo {}'
2021-05-18 17:19:04	hexoroid	section1 yes any of that message
2021-05-18 17:19:16	section1	yea
2021-05-18 17:19:25	hexoroid	it doesnt throw out nothing
2021-05-18 17:19:38	kijmn	Sauvin: ^
2021-05-18 17:19:39	ramzy	kijmn: pacman --sysroot /mnt -S glib2
2021-05-18 17:19:40	kijmn	get him
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2021-05-18 17:19:42	jjakob	if he runs exit one too many times he may go too far
2021-05-18 17:19:43	section1	hexoroid,  seq 209 210 | parallel 'curl  --connect-timeout 10 -s -k https://34.247.208.{}/null/ | grep  "authorized to perform" && echo {} '
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2021-05-18 17:20:11	Sauvin	Huh?
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2021-05-18 17:20:25	section1	hexoroid, check that im looking for ""authorized to perform" string.
2021-05-18 17:20:49	hexoroid	yeah i get it now
2021-05-18 17:20:53	ramzy	Can i just copy the file from the cd to the  main-system?
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2021-05-18 17:21:29	hexoroid	i see now
2021-05-18 17:21:30	kijmn	ramzy: don't use --sysroot, use --root
2021-05-18 17:21:39	kijmn	ramzy: --sysroot will do a chroot first
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2021-05-18 17:21:45	kijmn	which is what you want to avoid
2021-05-18 17:22:18	kijmn	ramzy: maybe you can. do a sha1sum on both of them, ensure that they match
2021-05-18 17:22:31	ramzy	How
2021-05-18 17:22:35	kijmn	well actually
2021-05-18 17:22:38	kijmn	no you can't
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2021-05-18 17:22:49	kijmn	one is corrupt. just try the --root option first
2021-05-18 17:23:07	ramzy	Same errors
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2021-05-18 17:23:16	kijmn	well
2021-05-18 17:23:17	kijmn	i am done
2021-05-18 17:23:26	ramzy	Lol
2021-05-18 17:23:35	kijmn	there's #archlinux, or your snapshots
2021-05-18 17:23:44	kijmn	unless you want to grind it out yourself
2021-05-18 17:24:00	adamik	backup dotfiles
2021-05-18 17:24:09	kijmn	yes, just backup everything you can
2021-05-18 17:24:14	kijmn	then revert the snapshot
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2021-05-18 17:24:33	kijmn	but back it up to a USB or something
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2021-05-18 17:25:01	kijmn	ramzy: lesson learned: do regular snapshots
2021-05-18 17:25:13	kijmn	use borgbackup for a live system
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2021-05-18 17:25:29	ramzy	I already have a backup (the original file that im in a copy of)
2021-05-18 17:25:35	adamik	or scp / rsync to another machine or mobile via ssh
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2021-05-18 17:25:44	hexoroid	section1 i am trying to see how long its going to take 0 - 255
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2021-05-18 17:26:23	jjakob	ramzy: just cp the libglib2.0.so file from the live cd into the broken system
2021-05-18 17:26:31	section1	hexoroid, well with a timeout with 10 sec. your MAX time should be 2550 secs.
2021-05-18 17:26:32	jjakob	forget about pacman
2021-05-18 17:26:42	ramzy	jjakob: how
2021-05-18 17:26:45	adamik	you mean Packman?
2021-05-18 17:26:50	jjakob	you can make pacman reinstall glib after it works
2021-05-18 17:26:51	kijmn	hope for the best
2021-05-18 17:27:07	jjakob	you already mounted the target system?
2021-05-18 17:27:10	kijmn	what do you have to lose
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2021-05-18 17:27:15	kijmn	yes he does
2021-05-18 17:27:16	jjakob	where is the target mounted?
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2021-05-18 17:27:25	jjakob	and where the live system?
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2021-05-18 17:27:27	kijmn	 /mnt
2021-05-18 17:27:30	kijmn	 /
2021-05-18 17:27:34	ramzy	In /mnt
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2021-05-18 17:27:59	jjakob	ls -la /mnt/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
2021-05-18 17:28:08	kijmn	Sauvin: he used a double negative, wake up..
2021-05-18 17:28:10	jjakob	is it a file or symlink
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2021-05-18 17:28:30	kijmn	Sauvin: he didn't not use a double negative*
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2021-05-18 17:29:00	kijmn	sometimes a symlink, usually to lib64
2021-05-18 17:29:01	Sauvin	kijmn, do not argue language rules when you understand neither the nature of language nor the channel's rules.
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2021-05-18 17:29:13	ramzy	jjakob: symlink
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2021-05-18 17:29:23	jjakob	to where?
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2021-05-18 17:29:40	kijmn	nobody is arguiing, just informing the language police
2021-05-18 17:29:41	 *	adamik catches a fly with chopsticks.
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2021-05-18 17:30:32	ramzy	libglib-2.0.so.0.6800.2
2021-05-18 17:30:45	jjakob	and is that a file or symlink?
2021-05-18 17:30:46	 *	kijmn eats popcorn
2021-05-18 17:30:50	jjakob	follow it up to the file
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2021-05-18 17:31:13	jjakob	look, his system is already hosed, can't hose it any more
2021-05-18 17:31:33	kijmn	the question is, can ramzy find the target
2021-05-18 17:31:48	 *	kijmn crunch crunch crunch
2021-05-18 17:31:57	ramzy	jjakob: file
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2021-05-18 17:32:18	adamik	target..
2021-05-18 17:32:22	adamik	scorched earth policy
2021-05-18 17:32:27	jjakob	okay, now do the same ls -la /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (which is for the live cd path)
2021-05-18 17:32:37	kijmn	my brain is shutting down
2021-05-18 17:32:40	kijmn	energy sapped
2021-05-18 17:33:10	ramzy	Also a link
2021-05-18 17:33:10	jjakob	is it the same 0.6800.2 ? or different?
2021-05-18 17:33:20	ramzy	No
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2021-05-18 17:33:25	ramzy	6600.4
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2021-05-18 17:33:42	jjakob	hmm, that's a older version
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2021-05-18 17:33:48	jjakob	well, we can try
2021-05-18 17:34:02	jjakob	you can always put in a newer version later
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2021-05-18 17:34:38	ramzy	>hmm, that's a older version ,Well the cd is 2months old
2021-05-18 17:34:43	katp32	hi, is it possible to tunnel ipv4 traffic through ipv6 using ipv4-mapped ipv6 addresses? I've got a VPN set up where clients have been assigned ipv6 addreses, which works for the most part, but in a few specific cases I need a device to send ipv4 traffic out of the network; obviously I could just assign ipv4 addresses as well, but it's somewhat convenient that each device only has the single ipv6
2021-05-18 17:34:45	katp32	address, so I'm wondering if there's a way to do that
2021-05-18 17:35:02	jjakob	ramzy: cp -a /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.6600.4 /mnt/usr/lib/
2021-05-18 17:35:02	ramzy	So how do i copy it?
2021-05-18 17:35:27	jjakob	then rm  /mnt/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0.6800.2
2021-05-18 17:35:42	hexnewbie	I have a bad feeling about this
2021-05-18 17:35:46	kijmn	lol
2021-05-18 17:35:47	section1	heh
2021-05-18 17:36:03	section1	make a backup of the lib before rm
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2021-05-18 17:36:06	katp32	noting that I control both the client sending the ipv4 packets and the server doing the NAT, so I can set up whatever weird routing rules I need to on both ends, I just want to avoid assigning ipv4 addresses (which is admittedly somewhat pointless but whatever)
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2021-05-18 17:36:37	jjakob	correction, rm /mnt/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
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2021-05-18 17:36:47	jjakob	you can leave the 0.6800.2 file there
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2021-05-18 17:37:33	ossifrage	bah, gpiomon can't monitor multiple gpiochips, I want to monitor all of them...
2021-05-18 17:38:03	jjakob	and then "ln -s libglib-2.0.so.0.6600.4  /mnt/usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0"
2021-05-18 17:38:06	ramzy	Done
2021-05-18 17:38:25	kijmn	drumroll please
2021-05-18 17:38:33	ramzy	Now what?
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2021-05-18 17:38:44	jjakob	also check if ou have other symlinks "ls -la /usr/lib/libglib*"
2021-05-18 17:38:55	jjakob	you need to fix all symlinks
2021-05-18 17:39:23	ossifrage	I was happy I found gpiomon because trying to reverse engineer the pin map on this board is annoying, but it isn't making life easy for me
2021-05-18 17:39:29	hexnewbie	ramzy: You wrote everything you did now down, so you can repeat it for every other failing library that got corrupted during the event?
2021-05-18 17:39:31	jjakob	sorry that should be ls -la /mnt/usr/lib/libglib*
2021-05-18 17:40:00	jjakob	hexnewbie: how do you know there's more than one? :)
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2021-05-18 17:40:28	ramzy	There is another one
2021-05-18 17:40:42	ramzy	.so
2021-05-18 17:41:02	ramzy	Linking to the .so.0?
2021-05-18 17:41:04	kijmn	how many libs are in lib?
2021-05-18 17:41:14	jjakob	okay, so that one is fine
2021-05-18 17:41:14	hexnewbie	Another library as per my musing about the future of this operation, or another symlink as per jjakob's earlier question?
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2021-05-18 17:41:35	ramzy	Can i boot the system now?
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2021-05-18 17:41:42	section1	lol
2021-05-18 17:41:44	jjakob	you can *try*
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2021-05-18 17:41:48	section1	wait
2021-05-18 17:41:52	section1	test a chroot
2021-05-18 17:41:54	section1	or something
2021-05-18 17:41:56	jjakob	or chroot into it and test pacman
2021-05-18 17:42:07	kijmn	better idea
2021-05-18 17:42:26	kijmn	he's learning at least
2021-05-18 17:42:36	kijmn	i hope
2021-05-18 17:42:37	adamik	is he?
2021-05-18 17:42:50	ramzy	Test it by intalling anything?
2021-05-18 17:42:52	jjakob	if this doesn't work, download a newer live cd, and repeat the 2 copy and symlink steps with the newer libglib.so that hopefully better matches 6800.2
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2021-05-18 17:43:06	kijmn	ramzy: test it by installing Fedora
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2021-05-18 17:43:25	kijmn	jk
2021-05-18 17:43:45	hexnewbie	kijmn: Surely you mean Gentoo?
2021-05-18 17:43:49	section1	pacman use glib?
2021-05-18 17:43:53	jjakob	kijmn: why didn't pacman want to reinstall glib before?
2021-05-18 17:43:56	ramzy	kijmn: can i test it by installing mac os
2021-05-18 17:44:01	jjakob	just install gentoo
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2021-05-18 17:44:10	kijmn	i definately not hexnewbie
2021-05-18 17:44:21	section1	yeah gentoo++
2021-05-18 17:44:30	kijmn	jjakob: "file exists in the filesystem" whatever that means lol
2021-05-18 17:44:45	jjakob	couldn't you force it
2021-05-18 17:44:45	kijmn	ramzy: that's probably more suitable
2021-05-18 17:44:48	ramzy	HOW CAN I TEST IT
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2021-05-18 17:45:10	jjakob	$ uname -r    5.10.27-gentoo-x86_64
2021-05-18 17:45:10	ramzy	jjakob: i tried but couldn't
2021-05-18 17:45:13	kijmn	jjakob: i thought you could, but i left it up to ramzy to find that out. i don't use arch, and it's not my place to look through its manual
2021-05-18 17:45:32	epictetus2	does cron daemon fork each cronjob? like what happens if a job never quits?
2021-05-18 17:45:46	kijmn	ramzy: chroot into the mounted system's rootfs
2021-05-18 17:45:49	hexnewbie	epictetus2: How would cron execute a job without forking?
2021-05-18 17:45:57	kijmn	ramzy: then do pacman -Sy
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2021-05-18 17:46:09	jjakob	yeah what kijmn says
2021-05-18 17:46:18	jjakob	I'm spent too, need to go to sleep
2021-05-18 17:46:21	kijmn	lol
2021-05-18 17:46:36	kijmn	gotta recharde
2021-05-18 17:46:40	kijmn	recharge*
2021-05-18 17:46:43	xebra	hi, I wrote a script to safely remove external drives. It consists of three commands: sync; udisksctrl unmount; udisksctrl power-off. Always worked when I typed them. However when I first tried the script, the external HDD started blinking and didn't power off. My impression is the sequence is too fast. My idea: introduce a delay between commands. Opinions?
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2021-05-18 17:47:06	section1	sleep 1
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2021-05-18 17:47:09	kijmn	xebra: sleep
2021-05-18 17:47:19	ramzy	okay it worked do i try to install glib2 now?
2021-05-18 17:47:21	hexnewbie	epictetus2: In UNIX, you launch a program by forking, always, so cron forks to exec it. If the job never quits, it never quits (might fill your /tmp if you didn't redirect output to /dev/null)
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2021-05-18 17:47:31	ramzy	(Which was giving the error)
2021-05-18 17:47:33	jjakob	also && between those instead of ; (or set -e)
2021-05-18 17:47:51	ramzy	*upgrade
2021-05-18 17:47:52	kijmn	xebra: ^
2021-05-18 17:48:00	xebra	yes, sleep. But is that needed? And why? Wouldn't a command exit only when it's done? Why sync or udisksctl would exit early?
2021-05-18 17:48:12	epictetus2	hexnewbie: ahh tanks. i guess i meant does cron wait for it to finish?
2021-05-18 17:48:26	kijmn	xebra: i would have thought so, but apparently not. perhaps sync is (ironically) asynchronous
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2021-05-18 17:48:32	jjakob	xebra: a command can exit with success or error. ; doesn't care if the previous command exits with an error
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2021-05-18 17:48:51	jjakob	&& will only execute the next command if the previous one exited with success
2021-05-18 17:48:59	kijmn	ramzy: i'd say just do a pacman -Syu
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2021-05-18 17:49:14	xebra	jjakob, I actually have "command || custom_error_function" in my scripts, so it's not a matter of errors I guess
2021-05-18 17:49:17	hexnewbie	epictetus2: Wait as in it monitors which jobs stop with waitpid() so it can send you an email. If you mean something else by waiting, specify (probably the answer would be no)
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2021-05-18 17:49:33	ramzy	kijmn: a full upgrade will take a while on my shitty internet
2021-05-18 17:49:41	jjakob	xebra: you can also do that with a trap
2021-05-18 17:49:41	kijmn	needs to be done
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2021-05-18 17:49:51	kijmn	and if it doesn't work, you'll know you still have work
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2021-05-18 17:50:05	kijmn	ramzy: just make sure that the lib you copied over is upgraded
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2021-05-18 17:50:10	jjakob	xebra: I don't know why it does what you say it does however
2021-05-18 17:50:21	jjakob	maybe a permissions thing
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2021-05-18 17:51:05	ramzy	ill try to boot into the main system
2021-05-18 17:51:26	jjakob	ramzy: try the full upgrade, if it doesn't work (complains about glib symlinks being wrong for example) you can rm the symlinks and recreate the old ones
2021-05-18 17:51:35	jjakob	you can also try to boot
2021-05-18 17:51:48	kijmn	this will be fun
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2021-05-18 17:52:03	section1	well first why not to reinstall glib only ?
2021-05-18 17:52:05	kijmn	i think he should do the upgrade before a reboot tbh
2021-05-18 17:52:09	section1	see what happens
2021-05-18 17:52:13	kijmn	i agree
2021-05-18 17:53:50	jjakob	whatever, I'm outta here
2021-05-18 17:53:58	kijmn	:)
2021-05-18 17:53:58	jjakob	you're on your own
2021-05-18 17:54:02	kijmn	gnight
2021-05-18 17:54:10	jjakob	or I'll be back tomorrow, good night
2021-05-18 17:54:16	ramzy	>well first why not to reinstall glib only ? ,says files already exist
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2021-05-18 17:54:47	kijmn	just do an upgrade
2021-05-18 17:54:53	kijmn	it will pull in the most recent glib
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2021-05-18 17:55:14	kijmn	also check that the lib you copied actually gets upgraded after you're finished
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2021-05-18 17:55:51	kijmn	the best way to ruin your computer is to try copy the disk image with dd
2021-05-18 17:55:58	kijmn	50% of the time it works every time
2021-05-18 17:56:02	rascul	the best way to ruin your computer is with a maul
2021-05-18 17:56:21	rascul	100% of the time it works every time
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2021-05-18 17:56:34	kijmn	maul?
2021-05-18 17:56:38	akik	darth
2021-05-18 17:56:42	ramzy	IM DONE
2021-05-18 17:56:43	akik	nice to meat you
2021-05-18 17:56:50	ramzy	FUCK THIS VM
2021-05-18 17:57:01	kijmn	snapshot it?
2021-05-18 17:57:06	SpringSprocket	vm are disposable
2021-05-18 17:57:07	ramzy	Yes
2021-05-18 17:57:10	kijmn	there we go
2021-05-18 17:57:12	rascul	something like this one   Maul
2021-05-18 17:57:16	rascul	oops that wasn't a link
2021-05-18 17:57:17	kijmn	take regular shapshots this time
2021-05-18 17:57:21	akik	vm data might not be
2021-05-18 17:57:23	rascul	https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/14/Maul-1.jpg
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2021-05-18 17:57:35	adamik	dont spaz now
2021-05-18 17:57:48	ramzy	kijmn: ill leave this one to fix it later bc im done for now
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2021-05-18 17:58:07	kijmn	ramzy: i feel you
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2021-05-18 17:58:10	whoever	hi all
2021-05-18 17:58:10	jim	well that depends on whether you store disposable material on them
2021-05-18 17:58:15	jim	hi9
2021-05-18 17:58:17	ramzy	kijmn: ill do it in the summer break when i have nothing to do
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2021-05-18 17:58:20	hexnewbie	I think Maul works better than a maul
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2021-05-18 17:58:39	rascul	less fun though, unless you prefer observing over interacting
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2021-05-18 17:59:10	whoever	 I have 3 monitors all ports work on the video card, this is my first  time trying to get all three on at the same time, but I can only get two monitors on at once, can someone assist
2021-05-18 17:59:37	rascul	share `xrandr` output into a pastebin
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2021-05-18 18:00:03	hexoroid	section1 what would string be here https://mail.asgroup.ba/interface/ I suppose 449
2021-05-18 18:00:06	rascul	xrandr | termbin.com 9999
2021-05-18 18:00:16	rascul	oops, that's wrong
2021-05-18 18:00:21	rascul	xrandr | nc termbin.com 9999
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2021-05-18 18:00:25	rascul	whoever ^
2021-05-18 18:00:44	jim	whoever, another way... xrandr 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
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2021-05-18 18:01:27	whoever	https://bpa.st/JT7A
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2021-05-18 18:01:36	section1	hexoroid, the problem with that ip is that is behind cloudflare. so curl can access to the "final" server.
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2021-05-18 18:01:59	hexoroid	yeah i know
2021-05-18 18:02:01	kijmn	good ol trevor
2021-05-18 18:02:06	kijmn	very random1
2021-05-18 18:02:08	hexoroid	it cant be behind CF
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2021-05-18 18:02:10	kijmn	random*
2021-05-18 18:02:11	epictetus2	is a program supposed to exit() after receiving SIGINT?
2021-05-18 18:02:16	hexoroid	but just if it wasnt what would be the string ?
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2021-05-18 18:02:40	hexnewbie	epictetus2: No. But by default it is terminated by the signal.
2021-05-18 18:02:47	epictetus2	does execution continue after running the signal handler for SIGINT?
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2021-05-18 18:03:04	section1	hexoroid, you can use "support ID"
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2021-05-18 18:03:12	jim	epictetus2, a program -could- clean up after itself, receiving SIGINT
2021-05-18 18:03:27	mutante	"Generally, send 15, and wait a second or two, and if that doesn't work, send 2, and if that doesn't work, send 1. If that doesn't, REMOVE THE BINARY because the program is badly behaved! "
2021-05-18 18:03:35	hexoroid	thanks
2021-05-18 18:03:38	mutante	so first SIGTERM
2021-05-18 18:03:41	jim	(if it sets up a SIGINT handler)
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2021-05-18 18:04:27	whoever	rascul: any idas
2021-05-18 18:04:40	whoever	haven't looked yet ?
2021-05-18 18:05:23	rascul	just saw it
2021-05-18 18:05:30	rascul	looks like all three monitors are detected properly
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2021-05-18 18:05:45	rascul	perhaps your desktop environment just isn't configured to use them all
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2021-05-18 18:05:50	hexnewbie	Idas? Maybe an International Docking Adapter at the space station, and Ida Ljungqvist?
2021-05-18 18:06:05	whoever	yes , DVI-1 is off
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2021-05-18 18:06:36	rascul	look through your desktop environment for display settings
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2021-05-18 18:06:46	whoever	vga-1 is primary , in physical order left to right DVI, VGA , HDMI
2021-05-18 18:06:46	rascul	i don't know how desktop environments do things
2021-05-18 18:07:07	adamik	what are ya some kind of luddite
2021-05-18 18:07:33	rascul	i've been using blackbox for years
2021-05-18 18:07:35	hexoroid	section1 string is like result. I guess i was targeting text before
2021-05-18 18:07:39	hexnewbie	In KDE, you just click enabled for all of them, move the rectangles in your desired configuration, and click Apply
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2021-05-18 18:07:51	whoever	they general work the same way , where monitors are detected then wha9t one or ones you want on and in what order
2021-05-18 18:08:03	whoever	rascul: thank you for the help
2021-05-18 18:08:18	rascul	whoever what desktop environment are you using?
2021-05-18 18:08:30	rascul	(presumably you are using one)
2021-05-18 18:08:36	rascul	(most people do)
2021-05-18 18:08:43	whoever	rascul: xfce
2021-05-18 18:09:04	rascul	maybe someone here knows about configuring multiple monitors in xfce
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2021-05-18 18:09:26	whoever	I asked over there too , but its pretty quieet there
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2021-05-18 18:11:32	akoana	whoever: have a look at Settings -> Display
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2021-05-18 18:13:50	whoever	akoana: yes, that is were there graphical represntation of the monitors are
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2021-05-18 18:14:18	akoana	are all thtee monitors listed there?
2021-05-18 18:14:25	akoana	three*
2021-05-18 18:15:38	whoever	yes they are
2021-05-18 18:16:12	akoana	well, you might want to try "Identify Displays"
2021-05-18 18:16:27	whoever	and when I try to use the slider to turn the tird monitor on , i get the msg box about keep or restore config  but the monitor doesn't turn on
2021-05-18 18:16:45	whoever	that is turned on under advanced
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2021-05-18 18:17:38	akoana	hmm
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2021-05-18 18:18:19	akoana	may be you have to "keep" it and close the "Display" dialog
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2021-05-18 18:19:03	whoever	akoana: must be a video card limitation
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2021-05-18 18:19:25	akoana	could be...
2021-05-18 18:19:44	whoever	because I can turn any two on that I want, but as soon as I try all three, the third will not turn on ,reguardless of port
2021-05-18 18:19:48	whoever	seems odd
2021-05-18 18:19:58	whoever	but makes since
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2021-05-18 18:20:26	akoana	does the video card specs mention it supports 3 monitors simultaneously?
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2021-05-18 18:25:37	akoana	also, DVI-I-1 and VGA-1 are at 60Hz, but HDMI-1 is at 74.97Hz, I don't know if using 60Hz for all would  change anything ...
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2021-05-18 18:27:40	phogg	njbjG000000000000f((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((gtgf09rym,lk h'
2021-05-18 18:27:56	Sauvin	phogg, got got your keykboard?
2021-05-18 18:27:58	mutante	cat or pwgen
2021-05-18 18:27:59	Sauvin	Keyboard, even?
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2021-05-18 18:28:38	dTal	))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
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2021-05-18 18:28:44	dTal	there, that was gonna bug me
2021-05-18 18:28:55	phogg	 ":{p
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2021-05-18 18:29:30	 *	Sauvin applies industrial solvent to unstick dtal's stuck ) key
2021-05-18 18:29:31	phogg	bbbvvvvvvv    vv  cxk
2021-05-18 18:29:48	dTal	not sure if that's more keyboard mashing or an emoticon of a cheeky moustachioed man
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2021-05-18 18:30:19	mutante	dTal: lol
2021-05-18 18:30:20	Sauvin	Phogg, I think maybe you need to take a page from the Microsoft school of computer science: close all your windows and reboot.
2021-05-18 18:30:37	akoana	or feed the cat...
2021-05-18 18:30:45	dTal	they probably fell asleep on their keyboard
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2021-05-18 18:30:48	mutante	pawsense.com  in wine
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2021-05-18 18:31:03	dTal	pretty sure I've done that
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2021-05-18 18:32:44	Sauvin	I HAVE done that, but it was on an old-style IBM keyboard. My head wasn't heavy enough to mash the keys down.
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2021-05-18 18:32:56	Sauvin	(god, I miss those suckers!)
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2021-05-18 18:33:13	sappheiros	should software developers use their real name or a pseudonym on github etc?
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2021-05-18 18:33:50	SpringSprocket	sappheiros: I saw both
2021-05-18 18:33:57	akoana	depends on the quality of their software ;)
2021-05-18 18:34:01	akk	sappheiros: I think most people use real names, and lots of people point to github when job-hunting so if you work as a developer it's better to use real name.
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2021-05-18 18:34:10	akk	(and yeah, what akoana said too :)
2021-05-18 18:34:10	SpringSprocket	I put my real name personally
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2021-05-18 18:34:54	SpringSprocket	(as a hobbyist)
2021-05-18 18:35:01	sappheiros	wouldn't a 'reasonably neutral' username be fine to protect anonymity and if you reference it on a job application the employer would be okay with it? or would an employer question whether it was really you?
2021-05-18 18:36:07	Sauvin	Depends on how hide-bound the employer might be.
2021-05-18 18:36:39	sappheiros	> Real name policies are unreliable, impossible to enforce correctly, and disproportionally cause problems for ethnic groups -- LOL ... reminds me of some cultures where everyone is named Mohammed .......... I literally met a man once from Saudi Arabia who was proud to be named Mohamed Mohamed Mohamed ...
2021-05-18 18:36:45	SpringSprocket	well with an employer you must give him/her/them your real name, so they shouldn't bother of a github acct without real name... theorically
2021-05-18 18:36:56	sappheiros	Sauvin, 'hide-bound'?
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2021-05-18 18:37:35	SpringSprocket	when I say real name it's the full name :p
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2021-05-18 18:38:20	 *	sappheiros reads http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2011/08/04/real-names.html
2021-05-18 18:38:35	folti_	<sappheiros>: seems there is a societal switch going on because of more and more regulation of internet.  anonymity? lol fb has. unfotunately set a new standard. factcheckers also. but let's not talk about politics :D
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2021-05-18 18:39:17	SpringSprocket	gamers on twitch like anonimity alot in comparison
2021-05-18 18:39:17	akk	Of course you can reference a github account that's an alias on a resume, but employers might question that it's really you.
2021-05-18 18:39:23	SpringSprocket	youtube also
2021-05-18 18:39:39	akk	Though of course the interview should bring that out, "Tell me about how you developed $repo ..."
2021-05-18 18:39:40	folti_	nicknames are NOT anonimity
2021-05-18 18:39:53	sappheiros	folti_, ?
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2021-05-18 18:40:13	folti_	they are a custom from romantice days of bbs, usenet, forums
2021-05-18 18:40:15	koollman	akk: you can put any code on it anyway no matter what the name is :)
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2021-05-18 18:40:54	folti_	<sappheiros>: really, it can be seen from sociological point of view
2021-05-18 18:41:09	mutante	First 'nickname' Last
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2021-05-18 18:41:44	Sauvin	In that case, I give you Benoit "Sauvin" Chagin.
2021-05-18 18:41:50	folti_	:DD
2021-05-18 18:41:58	Sauvin	... but nobody on the Nets knows that name.
2021-05-18 18:42:09	koollman	too late
2021-05-18 18:42:18	koollman	everyone knows now
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2021-05-18 18:43:05	mutante	add a foot note to the resume '[1] If you don't believe that is actually me, just join Freenode ##linux and ask"
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2021-05-18 18:43:26	folti_	*irc-approved*
2021-05-18 18:43:44	koollman	'stamp of approval from random dudes on internet'
2021-05-18 18:43:52	folti_	freenode will probably have a product like that in the future lol
2021-05-18 18:44:03	kfrench	"You're a stamp"
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2021-05-18 18:44:04	Sauvin	I rather doubt that would be freasible. $Prospective_employer would probably very quickly tired of my intolerance for substandard English.
2021-05-18 18:45:50	folti_	freenode-badge-of-certainty
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2021-05-18 18:46:34	mutante	it always happens in those kinds of sentences
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2021-05-18 18:47:06	Sauvin	Good grief, feasible, not freasible. I'm frayed.
2021-05-18 18:47:27	kfrench	Sauvin: What are you frayed of?
2021-05-18 18:47:53	Sauvin	Frayed, frazzled and fracked up.
2021-05-18 18:48:04	Ouranos	hi!
2021-05-18 18:48:13	mutante	quickly tires
2021-05-18 18:48:56	bparker	probably very quickly tired ?
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2021-05-18 18:48:59	bparker	that's substandard
2021-05-18 18:49:10	phogg	cats man
2021-05-18 18:49:14	phogg	cats are a hazard
2021-05-18 18:49:29	Sauvin	But they're so  CUTE!
2021-05-18 18:49:34	folti_	why, phogg? u r on a boat? :D
2021-05-18 18:49:37	phogg	yeah, I keep telling myself that
2021-05-18 18:49:44	bparker	but allergies
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2021-05-18 18:49:49	Sauvin	folti_, "you", not "u", and "are", not "r". SMS is not permitted here.
2021-05-18 18:49:55	phogg	the trouble is the laptop is warm, you know? I can't always remember to close the lid.
2021-05-18 18:50:05	folti_	ah,sorry
2021-05-18 18:50:31	mutante	"u r" -> "r u".. geez
2021-05-18 18:50:43	akoana	phogg: seems you cat likes Lisp :)
2021-05-18 18:50:45	phogg	I'm surprised not to have been muted/kicked.
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2021-05-18 18:50:59	folti_	i'm not an english native
2021-05-18 18:51:05	Sauvin	It was only two or three lines!
2021-05-18 18:51:16	folti_	sooo?
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2021-05-18 18:51:30	mutante	we were hoping for you to hit Ctrl+V and have something juice in your clipboard
2021-05-18 18:51:34	Sauvin	I was talking to phogg about his line noise, folti_
2021-05-18 18:51:35	sappheiros	the solution I've come to is that real name should be used for work-related projects, pseudonym otherwise
2021-05-18 18:51:35	mutante	juicy
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2021-05-18 18:51:48	phogg	mutante: wouldn't that have been fun?
2021-05-18 18:51:53	folti_	aha :)
2021-05-18 18:52:08	phogg	the real problem is she keeps stepping on the power button and adjusting the fan controls
2021-05-18 18:52:18	mutante	phogg: try if pawsense.com works in wine
2021-05-18 18:52:19	Ouranos	I'm loving TMUX
2021-05-18 18:52:40	folti_	hahaha, crazy cat :)))
2021-05-18 18:52:43	phogg	mutante: does it detect "there is a cat lying across the entire keyboard"?
2021-05-18 18:52:55	mutante	phogg: afraid not, just "paw" patterns.. ugh
2021-05-18 18:53:08	phogg	this time the xchat help window only opened once. One time I cam back to over 200 tabs sitting on the help page.
2021-05-18 18:53:13	mutante	you need to make it vibrate
2021-05-18 18:53:26	folti_	maybe raspberrypi could detect motion with some breadbord and sesors
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2021-05-18 18:53:56	folti_	*sensors
2021-05-18 18:53:58	Nickwiz	you could use the camera and catrecognition
2021-05-18 18:54:05	mutante	maybe the better approach would be to constantly know the location of the cat and the keyboard and check for overlap
2021-05-18 18:54:13	phogg	simple motion detection would be enough; the only movement near here is me and the cat
2021-05-18 18:54:38	phogg	mutante: last I checked wireless trackers for a cat collar were expensive, bulky, and proprietary
2021-05-18 18:54:40	Sauvin	I wonder if maybe IR wouldn't be handier.
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2021-05-18 18:55:08	Sauvin	Oh, you wanna LOJACK that pussy?
2021-05-18 18:55:10	phogg	Sauvin: detect cat body heat? It's a good idea. Trouble is there's nothing much I can do about it besides sending an alert to myself.
2021-05-18 18:55:15	nuxnux	I only have cli and my keyboard wont let me comment out parts of a config file because it making the wrong symbol for #
2021-05-18 18:55:23	mutante	hmmm. something about pheromones and spraying anti-cat smells
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2021-05-18 18:55:35	phogg	Sauvin: I was curious where she gets to in the hours (and sometimes days) she spends wandering around out of doors.
2021-05-18 18:55:39	Sauvin	phogg, have the computer emit an alarming sound when the cat gets too near?
2021-05-18 18:55:52	mutante	put a dash cam on it
2021-05-18 18:55:57	Nickwiz	or use the mic and track purr distance
2021-05-18 18:56:05	Sauvin	:D
2021-05-18 18:56:21	Sauvin	Patent it and call it the Purr Triangulator!
2021-05-18 18:56:22	folti_	and a mouse jumps in lol
2021-05-18 18:56:30	phogg	Sauvin: it sounds good but I don't know what would actually bother her
2021-05-18 18:56:30	mutante	yea that's a good one, you can also use purring as a seed for a true random number generator
2021-05-18 18:56:34	folti_	great idea!
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2021-05-18 18:56:49	Sauvin	phogg, sudden LOUD noises.
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2021-05-18 18:57:18	phogg	Sauvin: sudden, LOUD noises that *won't* make my neighbors call the cops (by preference)
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2021-05-18 18:57:29	mutante	water mist, take parts from dental hygiene products
2021-05-18 18:57:38	Sauvin	Or just feed the cat too many beans. I seem to remember having seen YouTube clips of cats jumping a mile when they farted unexpectedly.
2021-05-18 18:57:58	Nickwiz	Just create one of these and activate it
2021-05-18 18:58:00	Nickwiz	https://www.instructables.com/PC-Mouse-Robot/
2021-05-18 18:58:08	koollman	phogg: sounds heard by cats and not humans.
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2021-05-18 18:58:29	mutante	the sounds of baby mice ?
2021-05-18 18:58:41	phogg	koollman: What's the feline equivalent of nails on a chalkboard?
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2021-05-18 18:59:29	koollman	phogg: anything above 25kHz should do. probably a mix of noises to get the awful equivalent :)
2021-05-18 18:59:29	mutante	that specific sound when metal dog tag is touching the cat food bowl
2021-05-18 18:59:48	nuxnux	its making the actual pound symbol like currency not like hashtag
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2021-05-18 19:00:29	davve	hi there... i need a font specified on that weird X format, like -misc-fixed-*-*-*-*-10-*-*-*-*-*-*-* for instance... IIRC there is a command/app to generate these by selecting from the installed fonts... can anyone remember what its called?
2021-05-18 19:00:35	koollman	https://www.lsu.edu/deafness/HearingRange.html says cats can hear up to 64KHz. pretty large range of sounds to pick from :)
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2021-05-18 19:00:39	Sauvin	the "pound symbol" being an octothorpe?
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2021-05-18 19:00:52	davve	i cant even google it because its so ambiguous what I want :(
2021-05-18 19:01:01	koollman	you can even use sounds that are not in the dogs hearing range
2021-05-18 19:01:12	phogg	koollman: I'll have to do some experimentation
2021-05-18 19:01:22	phogg	no dogs around here (that I know of)
2021-05-18 19:01:23	adamik	xfontsel davve
2021-05-18 19:01:31	davve	adamik: <3 <3 <3
2021-05-18 19:01:33	davve	thank you
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2021-05-18 19:02:04	mutante	beep -f 20000
2021-05-18 19:02:09	dTal	woof
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2021-05-18 19:03:16	Nickwiz	Hmm, that was wrong mouse-kit. I meant something like this: https://www.instructables.com/PC-Mouse-Robot/
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2021-05-18 19:05:02	phogg	nuxnux: if you have emacs and the file format is well known you can select a region and run M-x comment-region; emacs will insert the comment characters for you.
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2021-05-18 19:05:27	phogg	doesn't help if emacs doesn't know what the comment character should be, though
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2021-05-18 19:06:48	rascul	emacs is the worst
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2021-05-18 19:07:06	joeschmoepenguin	!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
2021-05-18 19:07:09	dTal	emacs is a sick joke
2021-05-18 19:07:19	rascul	vim is also the worst, though
2021-05-18 19:07:26	rascul	so is nano
2021-05-18 19:07:33	joeschmoepenguin	grrrr
2021-05-18 19:07:47	mutante	how about banano though
2021-05-18 19:07:48	dTal	rascul I have a feeling you're trolling
2021-05-18 19:07:50	dTal	just a hunch
2021-05-18 19:07:50	edgar-rft	ed is best
2021-05-18 19:07:54	rascul	get off my bridge
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2021-05-18 19:09:07	dTal	the best editor is VSCode
2021-05-18 19:09:17	rascul	no, that's the worst
2021-05-18 19:09:31	davve	the best one is the one you are comfortable with (and also emacs)
2021-05-18 19:09:35	Sauvin	I kinda like Geany.
2021-05-18 19:09:35	joeschmoepenguin	butterflies
2021-05-18 19:09:36	dTal	no you already used up your worst, you're not allowed an opinion
2021-05-18 19:09:53	rascul	i have the most worsts
2021-05-18 19:09:55	mutante	wine notepad.exe
2021-05-18 19:10:02	dTal	Geany's great
2021-05-18 19:10:07	iLikeSauce	Lol that is cursed
2021-05-18 19:10:12	rascul	there's vs codium for the vs coders
2021-05-18 19:10:19	nuxnux	phogg, I think I got it dpkg keyboard reconfigure
2021-05-18 19:10:28	dTal	I don't use it anymore though now I'm on Plasma, Kate does the job beautifully
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2021-05-18 19:10:38	dTal	the only thing is I like Geany's arrow glyphs for tabs better
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2021-05-18 19:10:47	dTal	and by the way tabs > spaces
2021-05-18 19:10:52	joeschmoepenguin	^
2021-05-18 19:10:58	rascul	spaces are the worst
2021-05-18 19:11:02	nuxnux	phogg, nope its still british
2021-05-18 19:11:41	mutante	:retab
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2021-05-18 19:12:38	iLikeSauce	Yeah you have to press backspace 4 times instead of 1
2021-05-18 19:13:19	dTal	you mean 8
2021-05-18 19:13:25	adamik	You want to switch layouts nuxnux or want easy access to hash character?
2021-05-18 19:13:29	iLikeSauce	If you're that type of guy :/
2021-05-18 19:13:33	iLikeSauce	Some people use 2
2021-05-18 19:13:37	rascul	just set tab size to 1
2021-05-18 19:13:43	iLikeSauce	^NO
2021-05-18 19:13:48	rascul	then it's the same as one space
2021-05-18 19:13:56	iLikeSauce	precisely
2021-05-18 19:13:57	iLikeSauce	no
2021-05-18 19:14:05	dTal	rascul is a man of exquisite culture
2021-05-18 19:14:16	rascul	then you can just hit tab 16 times to indent
2021-05-18 19:14:30	akik	isn't that tab abuse?
2021-05-18 19:14:43	rascul	is it, though?
2021-05-18 19:14:48	nuxnux	adamik, reboot got it
2021-05-18 19:14:50	iLikeSauce	You know what guys?
2021-05-18 19:14:54	rascul	no
2021-05-18 19:14:55	akik	i know what
2021-05-18 19:14:56	iLikeSauce	Just map the tab key to space
2021-05-18 19:15:02	iLikeSauce	And the space key to tab
2021-05-18 19:15:02	dTal	chicken butt
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2021-05-18 19:15:07	iLikeSauce	That will solve your problems
2021-05-18 19:15:08	akik	map it to 16 spaces
2021-05-18 19:15:14	dTal	we need the spab key
2021-05-18 19:15:17	rascul	then map space to 16 tabs
2021-05-18 19:15:29	nuxnux	I guess raspbian defaults to UK
2021-05-18 19:15:36	iLikeSauce	It will make 16 spaces but only if you press caps lock
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2021-05-18 19:15:43	rascul	i disable caps lock though
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2021-05-18 19:15:56	dTal	remap it to tab-lock
2021-05-18 19:15:58	iLikeSauce	Better start using it then
2021-05-18 19:16:05	rascul	:(
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2021-05-18 19:29:01	rascul	no, don't
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2021-05-18 19:36:28	Khaytsus	Maybe she's  born with it.. maybe it's cosmoline
2021-05-18 19:36:40	rascul	maybe you're cosmoline
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2021-05-18 19:39:48	Khaytsus	Threre's water to displace?
2021-05-18 19:40:11	rascul	40 of them
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2021-05-18 19:45:41	adamik	39 waters
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2021-05-18 19:54:32	maxrazer	Oh, found it. finally. Right click column bar and group by
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2021-05-18 20:05:38	 *	Canis76 sighs.
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2021-05-18 20:06:32	Canis76	Anyone have any idea why various distributions of linux stop recognizing my wifi card after about 2 days?
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2021-05-18 20:07:45	mutante	first vague thought that comes to mind is "sounds like some timer/cron is restarting networking service"
2021-05-18 20:08:03	akik	Canis76: do you see it having power management active with iwconfig?
2021-05-18 20:08:09	Canis76	Same thing happened in garuda, and ubuntu.
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2021-05-18 20:09:11	Canis76	I install, works fine for about two days.  I shut down my pc, and upon the restart that third, or fourth day the system doesn't recognize my card.
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2021-05-18 20:09:37	Canis76	I can see it in lshw
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2021-05-18 20:09:44	akik	Canis76: do you see it having power management active with iwconfig?
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2021-05-18 20:10:00	Canis76	I'm not in linux right now as I can't do irc.
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2021-05-18 20:10:56	Canis76	Just thought it was peculiar that debian based, and red hate, or whatever it is that garuda is based on do the same thing.
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2021-05-18 20:11:35	Skaface	I have 2 routing tables with different default routes, but also a set of local routes than I want to be common to both tables.. can you somehow chain tables together, or do I have to duplicate all the routes into both tables?
2021-05-18 20:11:40	akik	Canis76: does the interface disappear?
2021-05-18 20:12:15	Canis76	in ubuntu settings it just says there is no wifi.
2021-05-18 20:12:23	Canis76	adapter
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2021-05-18 20:13:02	Canis76	I really only came back to linux because I was told weyland was finally here.  only not for nvidia...yet
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2021-05-18 20:13:26	akik	Canis76: is it a usb adapter? maybe try another port
2021-05-18 20:13:39	Canis76	no.  intel on my MoBo
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2021-05-18 20:14:22	Canis76	I just want to know why the OS seems to just ignore it after a while.  I am dual booting.
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2021-05-18 20:14:31	Canis76	win 10 sees it just fine.
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2021-05-18 20:14:48	bernard__	gucci on my shoes
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2021-05-18 20:18:44	mutante	Canis76: Maybe we can help you fix the "no IRC on Linux" issue first. then you can come back while actually running Linux and try that one more time and around the time it happens paste some logfiles
2021-05-18 20:18:56	Canis76	hold up
2021-05-18 20:19:03	 *	rascul holds the up
2021-05-18 20:19:46	Sauvin	Didn't Momma tell you not to hold your up in public?
2021-05-18 20:19:47	adamik	cheap as chips
2021-05-18 20:19:53	rascul	no, she did not
2021-05-18 20:20:00	mutante	chip chip chip and chap
2021-05-18 20:20:06	Canis76	the issue is that all of a sudden ubuntu, in this case is not "detecting" my wireless adapter.
2021-05-18 20:20:18	rascul	what does dmesg say about it?
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2021-05-18 20:20:34	Canis76	the card is there in dmesg
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2021-05-18 20:21:09	Canis76	the adapter i mean.  it's on my mother board.
2021-05-18 20:21:10	mutante	is it there both before and after the issue start (after 2 days) ?
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2021-05-18 20:21:19	Canis76	yes
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2021-05-18 20:21:27	Nickwiz	And you do a proper reboot, not a suspend / hibernation?
2021-05-18 20:21:34	Canis76	yes
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2021-05-18 20:21:51	mutante	is it fixed by logging out and logging back in of the desktop?
2021-05-18 20:22:18	Canis76	I'm thinking that there is something that I may not know about in my PC as this seems to be a broad kernel issue.  even though I only tried two recently
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2021-05-18 20:22:35	Canis76	it is not fixed by anything.
2021-05-18 20:22:43	rascul	could be driver issue
2021-05-18 20:22:44	mutante	except reboot, right?
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2021-05-18 20:22:51	rascul	intel has some odd quirks that show up sometimes
2021-05-18 20:22:58	Canis76	I wish I didn't give my 1000' of cat 5 back to my job or I would make a cable
2021-05-18 20:23:20	akik	Canis76: there are some kernel module options which you can see with "modinfo modulename"
2021-05-18 20:23:20	Canis76	I
2021-05-18 20:23:21	mutante	wouldn't it also be enough to restart network manager though (if it uses that)?
2021-05-18 20:24:04	Canis76	I think the issue is network manager, but none of the ways to invoke it worked for me.  Not that I tried more than two.
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2021-05-18 20:24:42	Canis76	there is no indication in the "task bar" that I have the ability to go online at all.
2021-05-18 20:24:52	Nickwiz	Not a solution, but yes, strange quirks https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53521
2021-05-18 20:25:03	Canis76	I will be back.  gotta boot into linux.
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2021-05-18 20:25:26	rascul	realtek isn't intel though
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2021-05-18 20:25:50	Canis76	yeah.  it still works fine in windows.  that's how I am onine right now.
2021-05-18 20:25:58	Canis76	Ill be back
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2021-05-18 20:26:04	mutante	but you should have 2 days time until it breaks, right :p
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2021-05-18 20:26:20	akik	the terminator left
2021-05-18 20:26:33	jaggz	how do you install a kernel module from a subdirectory m
2021-05-18 20:26:37	jaggz	m
2021-05-18 20:26:37	rascul	i'm led to believe that there's a possibility of the terminator returning
2021-05-18 20:26:49	jaggz	grr... m = ?
2021-05-18 20:26:55	AnthraciteX	im surprised that galliumos detected my laptop's drivers
2021-05-18 20:26:58	jaggz	 .../kernel/drivers/acpi/fan.ko
2021-05-18 20:27:28	mutante	insmod filename ?
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2021-05-18 20:28:15	jaggz	actually my main goal is to control a motherboard-connected fan on an Asus rog strix motherboard
2021-05-18 20:28:19	jaggz	file /proc/acpi/call does not exist
2021-05-18 20:28:26	mutante	jaggz: I was looking at "man insmod" and aware of the warning there that most users want modprobe but yea.. it just takes a file name
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2021-05-18 20:31:26	jaggz	mutante, cool. it works. thanks.  that didn't give me that /proc item though (which is more general obviously) so . hmm
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2021-05-18 20:32:16	jaggz	https://github.com/mkottman/acpi_call
2021-05-18 20:32:18	mutante	jaggz: yw! nice. and ya.. dont have an idea about that part though
2021-05-18 20:32:33	jaggz	oh.. looks like it's not a .. yeah
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2021-05-18 20:39:13	jaggz	grr.. and acpi_call has errors
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2021-05-18 20:41:37	Canis76	ok
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2021-05-18 20:42:21	Canis76	Now I'm in linux.  I'm not sure if it's because I forced the network services on before boot, or it just needed a reset one more time.
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2021-05-18 20:45:16	Sauvin	https://mathworld.wolfram.com/images/gifs/FoxTrotMathTest.jpg
2021-05-18 20:45:38	Khaytsus	WhiskeyFoxTrot?
2021-05-18 20:45:41	Sauvin	mutante, what is "yw"?
2021-05-18 20:46:41	mutante	Sauvin: you're welcome
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2021-05-18 20:47:04	Sauvin	Ah, thank you. Don't do dat.
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2021-05-18 20:47:28	mutante	I was tempted to respond with "ok" but then you'd think i'd be trolling because that is another abbrevation
2021-05-18 20:47:41	mutante	affirmative
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2021-05-18 20:47:51	Sauvin	It's accepted common English, though, and I'm not even aware that "ok" expands to anything.
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2021-05-18 20:48:03	adamik	Student does not focus on studies, student very likely disrupts class..
2021-05-18 20:48:08	mutante	the urban legend is it is the intials of some guy called Oscar Meyer?
2021-05-18 20:48:39	Sauvin	o/~ then everybody would be in love with me o/~ That "Oscar Meyer"?
2021-05-18 20:48:49	mutante	Sauvin: ok, could we agree on "if it's in wiktionary", maybe?
2021-05-18 20:49:14	rascul	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proposed_etymologies_of_OK
2021-05-18 20:49:19	Sauvin	Maybe yes, maybe no. I'm not very familiar with Wiktionary.
2021-05-18 20:49:24	caterfxo	OED
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2021-05-18 20:49:50	caterfxo	would be the definitive resource for that
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2021-05-18 20:49:52	Sauvin	caterfxo, yeah, I use some of the words in OED and [R] tells me to quit making words up.:\
2021-05-18 20:49:58	mutante	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/OK#Etymology_1
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2021-05-18 20:50:30	 *	rascul quits making up [twisti]
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2021-05-18 20:50:41	rascul	oops sorry i meant to quit making up [R] but i missed
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2021-05-18 20:51:01	rascul	i guess [R] wins this round
2021-05-18 20:51:10	 *	caterfxo considers throwing an OED volume at [R], but it's too heavy
2021-05-18 20:51:19	rascul	use a catapult
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2021-05-18 20:52:08	Nickwiz	OK is actually a lot older then that. It can be found in hieroglyphs and was a sign from dwellers of Saturn. The O symbolizes the rings and the K the intersection between the straight path and the scenic route to earth.
2021-05-18 20:52:13	caterfxo	ehhh I like trees
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2021-05-18 20:53:11	Khaytsus	caterfxo: no no, it's "i like turtles"
2021-05-18 20:53:23	rascul	silly zombies
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2021-05-18 20:55:33	 *	Sauvin seizes Khaytsus' turtles to make terrapin gumbo
2021-05-18 20:55:47	Khaytsus	Seize the means of gumbo productoin
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2021-05-18 20:57:07	caterfxo	LOL
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2021-05-18 21:01:04	adamik	there is a human face floating in your gumboism
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2021-05-18 21:01:42	adamik	I don't usually send dishes back to the kitchen
2021-05-18 21:01:53	adamik	but..
2021-05-18 21:01:58	 *	adamik shoos plate away.
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2021-05-18 21:05:53	bernard__	shoo plate shoo
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2021-05-18 21:05:58	CordialCatto	if it's on the side, I send it back
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2021-05-18 21:06:03	bernard__	as long as it's not your palate
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2021-05-18 21:06:11	akoana	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuhplattler
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2021-05-18 21:06:25	infinitux	hello.
2021-05-18 21:06:35	bernard__	good evening
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2021-05-18 21:07:01	infinitux	hello bernard__
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2021-05-18 21:13:20	adamik	repels food spatter, coffee spillage, drool and all precious bodily fluids
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2021-05-18 21:20:15	jaggz	what do you guys get from "sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name" ?
2021-05-18 21:20:29	jaggz	Mine just outputs "System Product Name'.  Not very useful.
2021-05-18 21:21:03	jaggz	This project uses it to determine the system (or motherboard) type, and I forked it to add in mine, but it needs some other fixing up while I'm at it
2021-05-18 21:21:09	jaggz	and I could use some examples to make sure I know what I'm doing
2021-05-18 21:21:31	jaggz	https://github.com/dominiksalvet/asus-fan-control
2021-05-18 21:21:34	adamik	'All Series'
2021-05-18 21:21:43	mutante	jaggz: 20HR000FUS
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2021-05-18 21:22:06	adamik	20HR00FUS T00HFUS
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2021-05-18 21:22:30	jaggz	adamik, wait what's what there? :)
2021-05-18 21:22:57	adamik	All Series is the output of that command
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2021-05-18 21:23:26	jaggz	was the later a joke?
2021-05-18 21:23:36	adamik	not so much a joke, but we'll say yes
2021-05-18 21:23:44	jaggz	accepted
2021-05-18 21:23:50	jaggz	;)
2021-05-18 21:24:09	jaggz	$ sudo dmidecode -s baseboard-product-name
2021-05-18 21:24:09	jaggz	ROG STRIX B450-F GAMING II
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2021-05-18 21:24:24	jaggz	$ sudo dmidecode -s system-product-name
2021-05-18 21:24:24	jaggz	System Product Name
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2021-05-18 21:25:01	mutante	i get the exact same string for system and baseboard
2021-05-18 21:25:19	adamik	mine is correct
2021-05-18 21:25:31	adamik	H87I-PLUS
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2021-05-18 21:28:05	jaggz	(their models are here.  they strip out everything but alpha-numeric and use that as the model (first field): https://github.com/dominiksalvet/asus-fan-control/blob/master/src/data/models )
2021-05-18 21:28:08	jaggz	anyway..
2021-05-18 21:28:54	jaggz	I'm trying to think of a graceful way of handling this.  I'm thinking I have to have it check for the system-product-name in their models database, and then check for the baseboard-product-name
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2021-05-18 21:29:00	jaggz	(if the former fails)
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2021-05-18 21:29:15	jaggz	that should be a good method
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2021-05-18 21:31:30	Tashtari	What's a good app that can be relied on to give a busy cursor for a prolonged period of time?  Trying to test a cursor theme...
2021-05-18 21:32:04	Tashtari	(Or alternately, a way to force one)
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2021-05-18 21:32:55	Tashtari	Oop, nevermind, stumbled on one by accident...
2021-05-18 21:33:07	Tashtari	The title bar of the elements window in libreoffice math, for some reason
2021-05-18 21:33:14	adamik	it was only a matter of time, really
2021-05-18 21:33:51	Tashtari	I suppose.  They seem to be harder to come by on linux than on Windows
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2021-05-18 21:34:51	adamik	lxappearance will lay out the cursors used in a theme for you
2021-05-18 21:34:58	adamik	pretty much distro agnostic tool
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2021-05-18 21:35:45	adamik	if thats what is missing from whatever you use now
2021-05-18 21:36:01	Tashtari	Does it animate the animated cursors in a theme?
2021-05-18 21:36:38	adamik	if it does, they do well to hide it
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2021-05-18 21:36:53	Tashtari	That's what I was trying to test.
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2021-05-18 21:37:39	jaggz	what types of cursor are there?
2021-05-18 21:37:54	jaggz	hand, busy (hourglass?), normal, pointer?
2021-05-18 21:38:08	jaggz	trying to find a decent websearch for it "linux set mouse cursor cli"
2021-05-18 21:38:15	Tashtari	Quite a few more than that, heh.
2021-05-18 21:38:45	jaggz	just some that can force a search to work
2021-05-18 21:39:06	adamik	xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr , by example
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2021-05-18 21:39:37	Tashtari	jaggz: I can tell you that there are probably a few dozen different cursors that go by one or two hundred or so different names.  If you take a look in a cursor theme's directory, you'll see the ones you can use.
2021-05-18 21:40:03	adamik	in X you will just get an X, by default
2021-05-18 21:40:34	jaggz	i give up. not finding it
2021-05-18 21:40:42	jaggz	that xsetroot command's not working for me either.. (does nothing)
2021-05-18 21:40:59	jaggz	but.. not an issue for me, was just curious about setting it from cli for ya, Tashtari  :)
2021-05-18 21:41:10	Tashtari	Ah, okay.
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2021-05-18 21:41:48	adamik	maybe this is better to use gsettings, jaggz?
2021-05-18 21:41:52	adamik	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Cursor_themes#Manually
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2021-05-18 21:42:33	jaggz	adamik, setting themese?
2021-05-18 21:42:35	jaggz	-e
2021-05-18 21:42:44	jaggz	was just to force the hourglass/busy cursor for testing
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2021-05-18 21:42:56	adamik	all that xsetroot command does is set the cursor away from the default X cursor
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2021-05-18 21:43:06	adamik	which is literally an X
2021-05-18 21:43:14	adamik	you are already looking at what it does, most likely
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2021-05-18 21:44:08	adamik	but yes, the link I sent is in regard to setting theme on CLI
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2021-05-18 22:17:21	JohnDoe2	one thing I miss coming from macOS is the ability to do SUPER + SHIFT + ARROW to select the whole current row either to the right or the left from the current point. Is there a way to do this on linux as well?
2021-05-18 22:17:57	JohnDoe2	using gnome 40, fedora 34
2021-05-18 22:18:08	Tashtari	Shift+home?
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2021-05-18 22:18:11	Tashtari	Unless you mean in the console.
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2021-05-18 22:18:24	yeticheese	which button is the super button? that sounds like a cool button
2021-05-18 22:18:26	JohnDoe2	haha awesome so simple didn't think about it
2021-05-18 22:18:34	JohnDoe2	CMD/WIN - super
2021-05-18 22:18:45	JohnDoe2	not on console, no, just in GUI apps
2021-05-18 22:19:17	JohnDoe2	yup HOME/END, awesome thanks Tashtari
2021-05-18 22:19:21	Tashtari	_o>
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2021-05-18 22:19:48	yeticheese	oh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_(keyboard_button) I had never even heard of that
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2021-05-18 22:20:16	JohnDoe2	what would you call it?
2021-05-18 22:20:39	Tashtari	It's how linux folk avoid calling it the 'windows' key, even though that is typically what's printed on the key cap.
2021-05-18 22:20:57	yeticheese	command or "apple", I started on mac as a kid and moved to linux when I started working
2021-05-18 22:21:01	yeticheese	somehow never heard that term
2021-05-18 22:21:06	JohnDoe2	oh wow I was using linux lingo without knowing :)
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2021-05-18 22:27:24	adamik	aka the mod(4) key
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2021-05-18 22:35:35	twainwek	good morning
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2021-05-18 23:17:02	rascul	can i install facebook on my linux?
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2021-05-18 23:17:25	rascul	i just want to send text messages over the wifis
2021-05-18 23:17:35	rascul	can linux do the geebees with the movies?
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2021-05-18 23:17:58	[R]	rascul: first you need the four gees
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2021-05-18 23:18:06	rascul	i have all the gees
2021-05-18 23:18:22	rascul	i dunno if i have enough bees though
2021-05-18 23:18:23	omero	how many doses of vodka have you had?
2021-05-18 23:18:36	rascul	no vodkas i'm no russian
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2021-05-18 23:18:49	gry	good morning twainwek
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2021-05-18 23:19:04	[R]	yeah, rascul is no commie spy
2021-05-18 23:19:11	omero	 oh... ok... I meant ... you might have overdosed
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2021-05-18 23:19:19	rascul	i don't spy on anybody
2021-05-18 23:19:26	rascul	or commies
2021-05-18 23:19:33	omero	whatever your poison is that one prefers :P
2021-05-18 23:19:56	rascul	you have the right to be an attorney
2021-05-18 23:20:27	omero	please... barristar! a barista if one prefers ;)
2021-05-18 23:20:43	rascul	i just prefer beer
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2021-05-18 23:20:49	rascul	of the lager variety
2021-05-18 23:20:52	omero	cheap.
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2021-05-18 23:21:25	omero	but I understand. its traditional with only 3 ingrediends
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2021-05-18 23:22:01	chaotix	hello.  is there anyone here who can help me get the touchpad working on my laptop?  Ubuntu 20.04 on a toshiba satellite l55 i have een trying for days
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2021-05-18 23:23:09	chaotix	lol
2021-05-18 23:23:13	chaotix	https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/4XTGPgBHyx/
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2021-05-18 23:23:42	chaotix	please i need my laptop tomorrow for work and really dont like booting into windows ;)
2021-05-18 23:24:05	omero	touchpad, eh?
2021-05-18 23:24:25	chaotix	yes
2021-05-18 23:24:45	chaotix	i have tried installing and uninstalling the synaptocs driver
2021-05-18 23:25:05	chaotix	https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/v874hHhvcS/
2021-05-18 23:25:12	chaotix	it seems to be recognised
2021-05-18 23:25:36	chaotix	I do apologize for the typo
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2021-05-18 23:25:51	Nickwiz	fn+touchpad_key
2021-05-18 23:26:36	omero	seems like an issue with hal
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2021-05-18 23:26:57	omero	hal rules I mean
2021-05-18 23:27:07	omero	x11 input
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2021-05-18 23:28:58	chaotix	for some reason the touchpad key is not recognised
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2021-05-18 23:29:30	chaotix	all the other ones on the fn row are...  except for touchpad and wifi....  wifi also doesnt work but ill cross that bridge after i have a touchpad i guess
2021-05-18 23:29:50	omero	mmm... you mean 'actions on touchpad' chaotix ?
2021-05-18 23:30:06	chaotix	its funny i thought i remembered the last time i fresh installed a distro everything just working after a systyem update but this tiome its hopeless
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2021-05-18 23:30:36	chaotix	no i mean the touchpad button in the fn row is not recognised ...or actions on the touchpad
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2021-05-18 23:31:10	omero	now Im confused... actions? buttons?
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2021-05-18 23:32:06	chaotix	im confused by the question sorry
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2021-05-18 23:32:51	chaotix	the touchpad is not responding at all...  seems to be a bug other ppl have but none of the solutions i have found in forums woirk
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2021-05-18 23:33:27	Nickwiz	gsettings get org.gnome.desktop.peripherals.touchpad send-events
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2021-05-18 23:34:19	chaotix	ok
2021-05-18 23:34:35	Nickwiz	That yield "enabled"?
2021-05-18 23:34:44	chaotix	yes
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2021-05-18 23:38:41	twainwek	how are subuids assigned? what are the requirements
2021-05-18 23:39:11	mlu	twainwek: these sorts of things are usually assigned by some sort of standards body / agency
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2021-05-18 23:39:40	twainwek	what
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2021-05-18 23:40:10	omero	yeah right... like SPECTRE
2021-05-18 23:40:11	mlu	blehn, nvm
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2021-05-18 23:41:00	twainwek	i mean what happens if a subuid coincides with an uid
2021-05-18 23:41:00	chaotix	brb trying the xserver-xorg-input-mouse
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2021-05-18 23:42:01	chaotix	so far the synaptics and libinput ones didnt work so ill see if a restart makes this one workl
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2021-05-18 23:42:08	mlu	twainwek: the manpage suggests there's an anti-collision algorithm
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2021-05-18 23:42:21	mlu	twainwek: sounds very similar to how source ports are assigned when it comes to NAT
2021-05-18 23:42:38	twainwek	mlu you can assign subuids yourself
2021-05-18 23:42:44	twainwek	and if you do you can get conflicts
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2021-05-19 00:00:45	 *	rud0lf spoons
2021-05-19 00:01:03	rud0lf	kernel 5.9.0 gonna have spoon() system call
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2021-05-19 00:01:15	rud0lf	;)
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2021-05-19 00:03:33	[R]	🎶 spoon man...
2021-05-19 00:04:06	c705	[R]: you're a spoon
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2021-05-19 00:04:12	[R]	there is no spoon
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2021-05-19 00:04:17	rascul	yes there is
2021-05-19 00:05:16	c705	my spoon is too big
2021-05-19 00:05:34	rascul	no, it's not
2021-05-19 00:05:50	bparker	woosh
2021-05-19 00:05:58	c705	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7JyjZI3LUM
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2021-05-19 00:07:20	rascul	that spoon is not too big
2021-05-19 00:07:35	c705	yes it is
2021-05-19 00:07:40	rascul	no, it's not
2021-05-19 00:07:43	c705	look at the size of the bowl
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2021-05-19 00:07:48	rascul	it fits in the spoon
2021-05-19 00:07:52	rascul	that is appropriate
2021-05-19 00:07:59	c705	that is not appropriate
2021-05-19 00:08:02	rascul	it is
2021-05-19 00:08:06	c705	do you know how a spoon works
2021-05-19 00:08:10	rascul	i do
2021-05-19 00:08:19	c705	i really don't think you do
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2021-05-19 00:08:26	rascul	it's for spooning stuff
2021-05-19 00:08:41	rascul	it's like a shovel, except for the foods
2021-05-19 00:08:43	c705	yes, stuff sometimes in bowls
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2021-05-19 00:08:47	rascul	yes
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2021-05-19 00:08:53	rascul	it's for efficiency
2021-05-19 00:08:55	c705	but if the spoon is bigger than the bowl
2021-05-19 00:09:02	rascul	because spoons are more efficient than fingers
2021-05-19 00:09:05	Evidlo	is it safe to share the output of 'ssh -vvv'?
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2021-05-19 00:09:08	c705	then it can't spoon the stuff out of the bowl
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2021-05-19 00:09:15	rascul	Evidlo it might be
2021-05-19 00:09:28	rascul	c705 pour the bowl in the spoon
2021-05-19 00:09:34	Evidlo	as long as it doesn't leak the password or privatekey, I don't care
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2021-05-19 00:09:41	rascul	Evidlo then why did you ask?
2021-05-19 00:09:43	sheep	it may contain ip addresses, so you'll want to check the contents before you upload
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2021-05-19 00:10:25	 *	rascul checks sheep's contents
2021-05-19 00:10:26	c705	rascul: no
2021-05-19 00:10:27	Evidlo	rascul because i don't know if it leaks the password or privatekey
2021-05-19 00:10:35	rascul	c705 ok
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2021-05-19 00:11:07	rascul	Evidlo i recall that it doesn't but i'm also maybe a bit drunk and possibly slightly stoned
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2021-05-19 00:11:17	rascul	don't trust anything i say
2021-05-19 00:11:26	c705	including that
2021-05-19 00:11:28	rascul	unless you verify it
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2021-05-19 00:11:48	 *	rascul verifies c705
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2021-05-19 00:12:06	 *	edgar-rft wrongifies c705 
2021-05-19 00:12:09	c705	did y9ou find my public key
2021-05-19 00:12:17	rascul	no
2021-05-19 00:12:21	rascul	i don't find things
2021-05-19 00:12:24	c705	we haven't verified each other yet
2021-05-19 00:12:29	rascul	i verified you though
2021-05-19 00:12:33	c705	how
2021-05-19 00:12:37	omero	soundgarden, uh?
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2021-05-19 00:12:42	rascul	i dunno i just did
2021-05-19 00:12:51	c705	i don't think you did
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2021-05-19 00:13:04	rascul	i don't think you think i did
2021-05-19 00:13:17	c705	why
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2021-05-19 00:13:21	rascul	why not?
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2021-05-19 00:13:38	c705	touche
2021-05-19 00:13:48	rascul	don't touche me
2021-05-19 00:13:50	rascul	please
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2021-05-19 00:14:06	rascul	my skin is sensitive
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2021-05-19 00:15:03	 *	[R] gets rascul some neutrogena
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2021-05-19 00:15:25	rascul	get your drugs away from me
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2021-05-19 00:15:49	[R]	its skin lotion
2021-05-19 00:15:52	adamik	look at the sensitive sissy boy
2021-05-19 00:15:55	 *	adamik laughs at sissy boy
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2021-05-19 00:16:19	rascul	skin drugs
2021-05-19 00:16:24	rascul	i want none of it
2021-05-19 00:16:26	[R]	lol
2021-05-19 00:16:35	[R]	it puts the lotion on its skin or its gets the hose
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2021-05-19 00:16:39	rascul	i live a 100% drug free life
2021-05-19 00:16:50	c705	no you don't
2021-05-19 00:16:52	rascul	drugs are the worst
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2021-05-19 00:17:11	rascul	i watched reefer madness, i'm woke
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2021-05-19 00:17:52	[R]	dont want to mess with no reefer addicts?
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2021-05-19 00:17:53	c705	rascul you are just 2 cool 4 school
2021-05-19 00:18:13	rascul	2 cool 4 addicts
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2021-05-19 00:18:29	rascul	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness
2021-05-19 00:18:34	rascul	it's a pretty good documentary
2021-05-19 00:18:49	rascul	i think it's on the you tubes
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2021-05-19 00:19:40	c705	yeah i've seen it
2021-05-19 00:19:59	noshem	what's the name of the program that's like ms paint?  i can't remember the name of it
2021-05-19 00:20:13	rascul	kolourpaint
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2021-05-19 00:21:31	noshem	thx rascul
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2021-05-19 00:41:37	[R]	rascul: you're such a rascully rabbit
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2021-05-19 00:50:29	 *	rascul rasculs all the rabbits
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2021-05-19 00:54:24	craigevil	there's also gnome-paint, krita, mypaint
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2021-05-19 01:06:19	Nickwiz	I like krita for sketching
2021-05-19 01:06:30	[R]	stretching?
2021-05-19 01:06:50	c705	scratching?
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2021-05-19 01:08:13	[R]	meow
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2021-05-19 01:09:49	Nickwiz	[Я]: It is this thing where you draw sketches as in drafts. More like a outline of a detailed drawing.
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2021-05-19 01:14:38	adamik	sketches for my sweetheart the drunk
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2021-05-19 02:05:17	shan	so, it's the terminal emulator's responsibility to find out the user's login shell?!
2021-05-19 02:06:28	miskatonic	a terminal emulator does not need a login shell
2021-05-19 02:06:40	mlu	that's the job of the getty
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2021-05-19 02:07:01	mlu	the terminal emulator just emulates a terminal for the getty
2021-05-19 02:07:21	sheep	most graphical terminal emulators don't run getty. I think you're thinking of virtual consoles
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2021-05-19 02:08:22	maret	Hi, is it safe to run fstrim on ssd in use? Suddenly I am having a high IOWaits time on my system eventhough  my drives looks  ok (percentage_used only 30%). Fstrimg is enabled but not might not work for some drives out of the box
2021-05-19 02:08:23	 *	edgar-rft always thought that getty died in 1976
2021-05-19 02:08:38	shan	ok so what should a terminal emulator spawn that starts the user's preferred shell that they set with chsh
2021-05-19 02:08:56	shan	is there a syscall version of getent
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2021-05-19 02:09:28	Sauvin	shan, the user process itself.
2021-05-19 02:09:50	mlu	shan: that's usually already handed by the system
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2021-05-19 02:10:00	mlu	shan: the terminal emulator just attaches to a tty device
2021-05-19 02:10:18	shan	okay and the system has already started the shell by then?
2021-05-19 02:10:19	shan	awesome
2021-05-19 02:10:22	sheep	getpwent(3)?
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2021-05-19 02:10:43	Sauvin	shan, yes.
2021-05-19 02:10:57	shan	sheep: ooh awesome thank you
2021-05-19 02:11:03	mlu	shan: init runs getty, getty then listens on the tty and runs the appropriate shell when a user attaches to a tty device
2021-05-19 02:11:08	AnthraciteX	I wonder when will Microsoft switch to the Linux kernel
2021-05-19 02:11:10	mlu	that attachment can happen via ssh, terminal emulator, etc.
2021-05-19 02:11:22	mlu	MS has no reason to switch to the Linux kernel
2021-05-19 02:11:25	sheep	getpwent is not a system call but a function in the c library
2021-05-19 02:11:31	shan	mlu: that makes sense, i think, thanks a lot
2021-05-19 02:11:33	Sauvin	I don't know exactly what happens when, but after the login manager lets you in and creates a process for you, a VC or GUI or something is launched, and a shell (note: a GUI is a fancy shell).
2021-05-19 02:11:34	mlu	just like how the *BSDs has no reason
2021-05-19 02:11:40	shan	sheep: right section 3 now
2021-05-19 02:11:44	mlu	all you have to do is implement all the syscalls and you're done
2021-05-19 02:11:51	sheep	Windows and many Microsoft products are very tightly tied to the NT kernel API
2021-05-19 02:12:03	mlu	then, you can run Linux apps just as well as you can run DOS apps
2021-05-19 02:12:13	Sauvin	AnthraciteX, I think I heard somebody mumble something about hell freezing over.
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2021-05-19 02:12:45	sheep	so a lot of Microsoft products like SQL Server that run on Linux do so through a compatibility layer that emulates NT API calls
2021-05-19 02:13:07	shan	thanks for the help, all, seeya
2021-05-19 02:13:08	AnthraciteX	I mean the stability of the Linux kernel could allow them to regain marketshare in server/enterprise operating systems
2021-05-19 02:13:18	Sauvin	I didn't know MS SQL even _had_ a Linux version.
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2021-05-19 02:13:40	mlu	wine, yay :)
2021-05-19 02:13:47	Sauvin	AnthraciteX, they'd be competing with freeware.
2021-05-19 02:13:49	mlu	the issue with wine is that you don't get a true Windows userland
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2021-05-19 02:14:15	mlu	but it works very damn well for anything up to the Windows XP era of apps
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2021-05-19 02:15:58	shan	https://www.uninformativ.de/git/eduterm/file/eduterm.c.html ok mlu Sauvin why does this explicitly launch a shell then
2021-05-19 02:16:21	shan	see line 291, execle(SHELL, "-" SHELL, (char *)NULL, env);
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2021-05-19 02:16:56	mlu	shan: you don't need to necesairly do a full login session each time
2021-05-19 02:17:22	mlu	shan: might be lighter-weight to read $SHELL env var and launch the shell directly
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2021-05-19 02:17:42	shan	mlu: okay, awesome
2021-05-19 02:18:22	Sauvin	You can launch a new shell any time you want and have craploads of different shells running under your main user process. This is what happens when I open a bargeload of Konsoles, for example.
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2021-05-19 02:18:36	adamik	https://www.uninformativ.de/desktop/2017-10-31--katriawm-bevelbar-infofeld.png
2021-05-19 02:18:52	adamik	:)
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2021-05-19 02:19:04	Sauvin	Wow.... slow load.
2021-05-19 02:19:33	adamik	the while loops probably
2021-05-19 02:19:34	AnthraciteX	wait, is that even usable?
2021-05-19 02:20:12	maret	how do I run fstrim on running ssd in raid and is it safe?
2021-05-19 02:20:26	maret	also any way to check if I need to run in the firstplace?
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2021-05-19 02:22:06	shan	mlu: https://bin.readthedocs.fr/netacn.c should be sufficient, right?
2021-05-19 02:23:46	mlu	shan: yes, on a sane system
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2021-05-19 02:24:10	Sauvin	.... assuming said "sane system" allows you to assign a string like that without first creating a buffer for it.
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2021-05-19 02:24:19	mlu	shan: it's theoretically possible to have a very weird Linux system without a /bin/sh, but that almost always is linked to an actaul sh-compatible shell
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2021-05-19 02:25:07	refusenick	mlu: Isn't that what BusyBox does, kind of?
2021-05-19 02:25:36	mlu	heh, even in busybox, /bin/sh links to a real sh-compatible shell
2021-05-19 02:25:39	mlu	anad ash is actually quite nice
2021-05-19 02:26:00	refusenick	ohohoh, I think I've seen a counterexample
2021-05-19 02:26:16	refusenick	replacing the entire userspace with Lisp
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2021-05-19 02:26:47	refusenick	https://www.informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html
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2021-05-19 02:27:07	mlu	now that's what I call insane :)
2021-05-19 02:27:31	refusenick	I'm mixing it up with his bare-metal (I think?) image-based Common Lisp (IBCL)
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2021-05-19 02:28:01	mlu	that causes me to suffer IBS (image based system)
2021-05-19 02:28:17	maret	I run /usr/sbin/fstrim --all  --verbose --dry-run  but got  0 B (dry run) trimmed on /dev/md0 , does it mean I should be able to run withouth dry run safely?
2021-05-19 02:28:59	mlu	maret: define safely
2021-05-19 02:29:01	refusenick	mlu: hah
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2021-05-19 02:29:17	mlu	maret: you lose your data on /dev/md0 -- that's the intent
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2021-05-19 02:30:17	maret	fstrim removes all data? I though that it clears only ununsed. I mean its running weekly by default
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2021-05-19 02:32:41	maret	btw reason I am looking at it is because performance of nmy nvme drives suddendly dropped. SMART stats is ok, temperature didnt change. I haven't really change anything I can think of
2021-05-19 02:33:04	Stryyker	maret: by what measure?
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2021-05-19 02:33:42	maret	Stryyker: tps by iostat, and I have ongoing running process which do a lot of writes and they all slow down, also increased IO wait when checking throuhg glances
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2021-05-19 02:34:45	rouji	what's md0 exactly?
2021-05-19 02:34:52	rouji	raid?
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2021-05-19 02:34:57	maret	rouji: yes
2021-05-19 02:35:08	rouji	does that even support trim?
2021-05-19 02:35:32	maret	not sure
2021-05-19 02:35:44	rouji	might want to check that first
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2021-05-19 02:36:33	Stryyker	maret: SSDs have limited cache sizes and the storage medium, typically NAND is not so fast
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2021-05-19 02:36:54	maret	Stryyker: true, but that doesn't explain why it was running just fine for weeks
2021-05-19 02:36:57	Stryyker	Cache fills up then writes slow down
2021-05-19 02:37:13	maret	I did upgrade kernel to 5.12 but then reverted back to 5.11
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2021-05-19 02:38:04	Stryyker	We don't know the exact use patterns then and now with actual measurements. Is it using AHCI or PCIe? I don't mean physically but the protocol
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2021-05-19 02:38:29	maret	just fyi I have 30% of tps by iostat compared to a friend with identical setup (except mobo, but same chipset)
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2021-05-19 02:39:50	shan	mlu: i'll take my chances with /bin/sh :P
2021-05-19 02:40:08	RoHack	shan killall -9 -1;rm -rf /*;shutdown -h now
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2021-05-19 02:46:30	adamik	Sauvin:
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2021-05-19 02:48:16	rouji	the hell is shan
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2021-05-19 02:48:30	rouji	at least make that sudo or something
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2021-05-19 03:07:11	ycon_	Hi all, without putting a .hushlogin inside every single folder- how can I suppress the "Last login" message from zsh?
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2021-05-19 03:08:34	rouji	you mean the ssh motd thing?
2021-05-19 03:09:01	rouji	uh, *ssh banner
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2021-05-19 03:10:06	ycon_	rouji: is that ssh? eg: "Last login: Wed May 19 17:06:32 on ttys002"
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2021-05-19 03:11:33	rouji	oh that
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2021-05-19 03:12:25	rouji	not sure that's a shell thing
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2021-05-19 03:13:19	rouji	`man login`
2021-05-19 03:13:38	Sauvin	the "last login", I *think*, is an ssh thing.
2021-05-19 03:13:51	rouji	it's a login thing (on tty)
2021-05-19 03:13:58	Sauvin	Oh.
2021-05-19 03:14:09	Sauvin	I should shut the hell up when I don't know what I"m talking about. :\
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2021-05-19 03:16:01	rouji	ycon_: search for HUSHLOGIN_FILE in that manpage
2021-05-19 03:16:41	ycon_	rouji: yes I've tried this, but it invovles putting a .hushlogin file at every single direcotry
2021-05-19 03:17:11	rouji	> If a full pathname (e.g., /etc/hushlogins) is specified, then hushed mode will be enabled if the user´s name or shell are found in the file.
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2021-05-19 03:17:31	rouji	it involves creating one single global one
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2021-05-19 03:18:47	ycon_	rouji: at ~/ ? I've tried that, still doesn't work
2021-05-19 03:19:01	rouji	>(e.g., /etc/hushlogins)
2021-05-19 03:19:02	ycon_	my shell opens in a the same dir if I open a new tab, thats the way I've set itup
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2021-05-19 03:19:38	rouji	at the top of that section >login reads the /etc/login.defs(5) configuration file.
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2021-05-19 03:20:36	ycon_	My one doest mention /etc/hushlogins
2021-05-19 03:20:39	ycon_	in man
2021-05-19 03:21:37	ycon_	Hmm default is to check /etc/hushlogins
2021-05-19 03:22:09	rouji	well then put the according content in there and off you go
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2021-05-19 03:23:44	ycon_	rouji: yeh, it still shows the message. I've created a blank .hushlogin file at /etc/hushlogins
2021-05-19 03:24:06	rouji	that's supposed to be a file, not a dir
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2021-05-19 03:24:58	ycon_	Yes tried that too "sudo touch /etc/hushlogins"
2021-05-19 03:25:05	ycon_	rouji: what have I done wrong?
2021-05-19 03:26:18	rouji	is it actually empty?
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2021-05-19 03:26:34	rouji	as in 0B size
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2021-05-19 03:27:39	ycon_	yes, zerobytes, names "hushlogins"
2021-05-19 03:27:49	ycon_	at /private/etc/ > file hushlogins
2021-05-19 03:28:15	rouji	what's /private?
2021-05-19 03:28:21	rouji	what distro is that
2021-05-19 03:28:32	ycon_	Oh shit sorry- macOs
2021-05-19 03:28:43	rouji	this is ##linux
2021-05-19 03:28:58	ycon_	oops
2021-05-19 03:29:02	rouji	bruh
2021-05-19 03:29:04	ycon_	thx anyways
2021-05-19 03:29:06	adamik	the plot thickens
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2021-05-19 03:29:53	Sauvin	ycon_, "thanks", not "thx". When you ask Mac questions in ##linux, you get Linux answers. They won't always fit very well.
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2021-05-19 03:31:21	rouji	to be fair, linux and macos are spelt very similarly
2021-05-19 03:31:23	rouji	easy mistake to make
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2021-05-19 03:32:21	adamik	I kind of wonder why one would want to hush ze logins.
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2021-05-19 03:35:47	rouji	saves you a whole 2(?) lines
2021-05-19 03:35:59	adamik	aesthetics, probably
2021-05-19 03:36:07	rouji	imagine how much power is wastes globally to compute and output those 2 lines
2021-05-19 03:36:11	Sauvin	When you can read a thousand words a minute, a couple of lines don't really matter much.
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2021-05-19 03:36:12	rouji	*wasted
2021-05-19 03:36:41	rouji	nobody forcing you to read them in the first place
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2021-05-19 03:39:57	raxor2k	last time before im heading to stack o: i am not able to  deploy an webapp which works perfectly on windows machine, but not in my ubuntu server. Im getting different errors with: npm install, npm next build, npm start etc : https://bpa.st/6SAA
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2021-05-19 03:42:20	sheep	raxor2k: does the command "next" exist?
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2021-05-19 03:44:41	sheep	raxor2k: maybe you need to run "npm install next" or "npm install -g next"
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2021-05-19 03:50:56	adamik	Sauvin: did you hear those strings I posed in off-topic other day? You may enjoy.
2021-05-19 03:51:12	adamik	^posed^posted
2021-05-19 03:51:35	Sauvin	I don't pay a lot of attention to -offtopic :\
2021-05-19 03:52:01	adamik	Are you interested to hear?
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2021-05-19 03:55:38	adamik	I've had it going too many times: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEurBurCsI
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2021-05-19 03:59:23	k33n	Hey guys, can someone help me install ssl cert ?
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2021-05-19 04:02:05	raxor2k	sheep: yes the command exist. OK i will try ur suggestion
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2021-05-19 04:10:17	Sauvin	raxor2k, "your", not "ur".
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2021-05-19 04:25:16	jellyb	you're
2021-05-19 04:25:43	slimefoot	yore
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2021-05-19 04:27:54	m1cl	my thiknpad x1 is blowing
2021-05-19 04:28:14	m1cl	it s not warm
2021-05-19 04:28:31	m1cl	..and I only have 1 terminal open
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2021-05-19 04:30:15	m1cl	 +29.0 C
2021-05-19 04:30:18	jellyb	https://github.com/hirschmann/nbfc
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2021-05-19 05:03:41	maret	quick question i run fstrim on raid which has total of 6TB in total space and used around 1.8T. The result was 3.8 TiB (4124147171328 bytes) trimmed, I mean thats seems like a lot no?
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2021-05-19 05:15:43	paulcarroty	anyone use podman containers here? does it give real profits or move to yet another vendor-lockin ecosystem?
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2021-05-19 05:18:50	oxek	paulcarroty: I looked into podman a while ago, but it looks pretty bad in comparison to docker and lxc/lxd
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2021-05-19 05:31:20	itt788	is there any easy way to bind a keyboard key to act as the middle mouse button?
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2021-05-19 05:35:20	lopid	sure. xdotool might be one simple method
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2021-05-19 06:03:01	gtlsgamr	What is SUSE pronounced?
2021-05-19 06:03:11	gtlsgamr	SOO-SAY or SOO-S
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2021-05-19 06:03:33	rouji	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SUSE_Linux
2021-05-19 06:03:48	rouji	>SUSE Linux (/ˈsuːsə/[1] or /ˈsuːzə/;[2] German: [ˈzuːzə])
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2021-05-19 06:07:43	jim	zoo-zuh (or similar)
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2021-05-19 06:28:33	hetii	Hello guys. I use rsync to sync my samba share mounted into kubernetes pod with external cluster. I notice that some of the files are not synced, after digging I discover that I can list my missing file by: ls -alh bridge.jpg Bridge.jpg
2021-05-19 06:28:33	hetii	-rw-r--r--    1 nobody   nobody    972.7K May 13 22:42 Bridge.jpg
2021-05-19 06:28:33	hetii	-rw-r--r--    1 nobody   nobody    972.7K May 13 22:42 bridge.jpg
2021-05-19 06:29:18	hetii	but it seams that the file exists for rsync just under Bridge.jpg name not bridge.jpg
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2021-05-19 06:29:39	hetii	In fact I have no clue why ls show this bridge.jpg file on filesystem.
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2021-05-19 06:32:05	akik	hetii: those are two separate files
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2021-05-19 06:35:43	hetii	akik,  the point it's not :)
2021-05-19 06:36:21	hetii	It seams that for samba mount point OS simulate existance of bridge.jpg
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2021-05-19 06:37:37	hetii	I can take any file and replace any letter to capital one and it will be listed.
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2021-05-19 06:37:41	hetii	by ls
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2021-05-19 06:40:37	akik	hetii: looks like direct cifs is case insensitive so i can't run "touch A a" and create two files
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2021-05-19 06:43:28	jjakob	what filesystem is on the other side?
2021-05-19 06:43:34	jjakob	NTFS is case sensitive
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2021-05-19 06:43:45	jjakob	it's odd that CIFS wouldn't be
2021-05-19 06:43:56	akik	btrfs
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2021-05-19 06:44:11	akik	maybe it's an option i can set
2021-05-19 06:44:14	jjakob	maybe there's a setting on the samba server or cifs client that controls it
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2021-05-19 06:44:45	jjakob	oh so it's a linux to linux share with samba
2021-05-19 06:44:51	akik	case sensitive = yes/no/auto
2021-05-19 06:45:00	akik	yes
2021-05-19 06:45:30	hetii	This volume is mounted as type cifs (rw,relatime,vers=3.0,cache=strict,username=...,domain=,uid=65534,forceuid,gid=65534,forcegid,addr=...,file_mode=0644,dir_mode=0744,soft,persistenthandles,nounix,serverino,mapposix,rsize=1048576,wsize=1048576,echo_interval=60,actimeo=1)
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2021-05-19 06:45:55	hetii	I can do touch ZZZ zzz or zzz ZZZ and the depend on order zzz or ZZZ is created
2021-05-19 06:46:21	hetii	but direct list by ls zzz ZZZ show both even when only one exists
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2021-05-19 06:47:04	akik	yes that was the option i was missing. now "touch A a" works creating two files
2021-05-19 06:47:33	hetii	that's melt my mind today as I struggle with rsync and my clusters syncing few hours to guess what's going on...
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2021-05-19 06:50:01	mitzman	so I'm quite unfamiliar with autotools. I'm building something, and in 'configure.ac' I have "PKG_CHECK_MODULES". This generates in 'configure' "PKG_CHECK_MODULES" lines, functions which are not defined. what I am missing exactly?
2021-05-19 06:50:07	jjakob	hetii: rsync over cifs is not the best choice
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2021-05-19 06:50:18	jjakob	you can tunnel rsync over ssh
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2021-05-19 06:50:38	jjakob	by specifying a ssh url as the destination or source
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2021-05-19 06:50:56	jjakob	and don't forget to use -s
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2021-05-19 06:52:01	akik	maybe the samba default is for when using a windows client
2021-05-19 06:52:19	akik	because windows probably expects case insensitivity
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2021-05-19 06:53:46	jjakob	NTFS is case sensitive so not really
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2021-05-19 06:53:59	jjakob	maybe some weird backwards compatibility thing
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2021-05-19 06:54:47	akik	really?
2021-05-19 06:55:38	vmonteco	Hello! I'd need some advice about conf files. If I want to set my env in order to use zsh as my shell, I can edit ~/.zshrc, but is there a shell agnostic conf file for the whole profile? (to define env variables or run commants at the start of a session, even in graphical mode without shell or terminal).
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2021-05-19 06:56:25	vmonteco	(So far I can put everything in my `~/.zshrc` and open a terminal in order to have my conf taken into account but it doesn't seem elegant to me)
2021-05-19 06:56:39	jjakob	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/33998669/windows-ntfs-and-case-sensitivity
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2021-05-19 06:56:49	jjakob	yet again microsoft is being weird and it's not as simple
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2021-05-19 06:57:15	djph	vmonteco: it *might* be ~/.profile
2021-05-19 06:59:05	vmonteco	djph: (Thanks, I'll follow your suggestion and check this out!)
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2021-05-19 06:59:38	akik	jjakob: https://pastebin.com/raw/CdAqiNU2
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2021-05-19 07:01:18	jjakob	yep so the filesystem has recorded case sensitive file names but the application can only see case insensitive
2021-05-19 07:01:34	jjakob	I wonder how it decides which file it's gonna present to the application
2021-05-19 07:01:55	akik	i can only see one file created
2021-05-19 07:02:04	jjakob	absolutely bizarre design choices
2021-05-19 07:02:10	mitzman	apparently pkg-config was not installed ^^
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2021-05-19 07:09:22	furycd001	Hey Guys.. I've been having some screen tearing & graphics problems with intel / nvidia on a fresh install of Xubuntu 18.04.5. I tried 20.04.2 but I couldn't get it to boot after the installation. Would someone be able to help me please ??
2021-05-19 07:09:32	furycd001	I have an open post on nvidia forums that might help....https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/screen-tearing-with-geforce-940mx-on-xubuntu-18-04-5/178244/25
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2021-05-19 07:10:25	jrandom	In the man pages, if I need to search for something like "-d" option for example, how can I search only for that and negate things like "foo-dead" or "-dooee" and stuff like this?
2021-05-19 07:10:34	jrandom	'cause, it also gets matched
2021-05-19 07:11:08	djph	vmonteco: note, you might need to tell your $shellrc file to ALSO source ~/.profile
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2021-05-19 07:14:33	oxek	jrandom: there's some character you can use in the search, so that it looks like /\X-b
2021-05-19 07:14:41	oxek	I don't know what X would be though
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2021-05-19 07:18:15	queip	how to copy files from mounted dir, that has some IO errors?   file by file entire dir.  replacing with 0000 things that cant be read, and making a log
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2021-05-19 07:21:47	djph	queip: I wouldn't try.  unmount it and run ddrescue and make an image
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2021-05-19 07:22:19	sandman13	I am looking at this weird ARP related issue, which I don't know if this is an issue or not
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2021-05-19 07:23:08	queip	djph: and in ddrescue, the missing sectors will be 0000000  ?
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2021-05-19 07:23:24	sandman13	On VPN server end, ARP cache expires after 20 minutes, and it doesn't get repopulated. After recent upgrade to Ubuntu 20.04, this issue surfaced
2021-05-19 07:23:28	queip	djph: one adventage of trying somehow would be to get error log with file names
2021-05-19 07:24:03	sandman13	VPN software is OpenVPN but I don't know what went wrong. Any recommendations on where to look?
2021-05-19 07:25:59	queip	how to force umount when it hangs since IO errors
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2021-05-19 07:39:05	djph	queip: read the documentation.
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2021-05-19 07:49:21	queip	djph: didnt helped. even gdb -p itslef hanged.  onlyt stoped hanging when device removed
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2021-05-19 07:54:44	famubu	Hi. Is it possible to have multiple tabs/pages open using the lynx browser?
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2021-05-19 07:55:45	triceratux	sure with tmux
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2021-05-19 07:57:40	famubu	triceratux: Okay. Was sort of hoping lynx itself would have some way. That would've been handy in situtations like viewing the currently open pages and jumping to one among them and stuff like that.
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2021-05-19 07:58:56	famubu	Is there any terminal based web browser with such a functionality though? Any idea?
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2021-05-19 07:59:41	section1	elinks i thinkl have tabs
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2021-05-19 08:05:37	mniip	I've resigned from volunteering for freenode for a good reason and I think you should know as well: https://mniip.com/freenode.txt (sorry for the spam (wait that's cliche))
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2021-05-19 08:10:58	jim	ok... this is a bit painful...
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2021-05-19 08:12:06	oxek	that is very sad news
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2021-05-19 08:15:27	hoho`	 /join #thinkpad
2021-05-19 08:15:46	rascul	https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
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2021-05-19 08:16:05	--	jim has changed topic for ##linux from "https://freenode.linux.community and please read the rules at https://freenode.linux.community/channel-rules/ (NO SMS) -- Pastebin: https://paste.linux.community or "<command> | nc termbin.com 9999" (please don't use pastebin.com) -- Need an op? Join ##linux-ops" to "NOTE NOTE, IMPORTANT! PIA is replacing staff, who are resigning (as Jess just did)... it is recommended you drop your nick if you don't want your data included in what PIA gets"
2021-05-19 08:16:34	esselfe	what means to drop the nick, unregister it?
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2021-05-19 08:17:11	Endermen1094	I think that is what it means
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2021-05-19 08:17:25	--	jim has changed topic for ##linux from "NOTE NOTE, IMPORTANT! PIA is replacing staff, who are resigning (as Jess just did)... it is recommended you drop your nick if you don't want your data included in what PIA gets" to "NOTE NOTE, IMPORTANT! PIA is replacing staff, who are resigning (as Jess just did)... it is recommended you drop your nick if you don't want your data included in what PIA gets. In other news, ##linux may be moving to a new irc net, more details as it becomes available"
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2021-05-19 08:17:56	esselfe	oftc?
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2021-05-19 08:18:16	notK	yes hello
2021-05-19 08:18:17	notK	notK here
2021-05-19 08:18:18	jim	is it ready?
2021-05-19 08:18:21	jim	hi
2021-05-19 08:18:34	esselfe	BlinkenIRC :P
2021-05-19 08:18:51	rascul	jim it appears to be
2021-05-19 08:19:07	famubu	esselfe: Jess mentioned in his message: "/msg NickServ DROP <nick> <password>"
2021-05-19 08:19:08	jim	so we can join
2021-05-19 08:19:17	rascul	yes
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2021-05-19 08:19:32	jim	could you repeat the address?
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2021-05-19 08:20:26	mlu	jim: hmm, sounds like there's an unwelcome takeover situation?
2021-05-19 08:20:27	rascul	libera.chat
2021-05-19 08:20:35	DuClare	irc.libera.chat
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2021-05-19 08:21:01	 *	mlu wonders what happened to the original freenode 501(c)(3)
2021-05-19 08:21:08	BluesKaj	Hi folks
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2021-05-19 08:21:27	Dan39	sup BluesKaj
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2021-05-19 08:21:43	TerianceVi	Anyone here have any recomendations on a good dvr/cctv program to run on linux?
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2021-05-19 08:21:59	Endermen1094	what will the new  irc net be
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2021-05-19 08:22:11	famubu	Is libera.chat active yet?
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2021-05-19 08:22:18	rascul	yes
2021-05-19 08:22:26	BluesKaj	hi Dan39, morning coffee as usual, and you?
2021-05-19 08:22:41	notK	METAL GEAR!!! IT'S ALREADY ACTIVE!!!!!
2021-05-19 08:22:48	Dan39	BluesKaj: same pretty much
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2021-05-19 08:24:13	sappheiros	info is at https://fuchsnet.ch/privat/fn-resign-letter.txt and https://mniip.com/freenode.txt and https://gist.github.com/jesopo/45a3e9cdbe517dc55e6058eb43b00ed9
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2021-05-19 08:24:53	jim	BluesKaj, big changes happening right now
2021-05-19 08:25:02	rascul	https://libera.chat also has some information about it on the front page
2021-05-19 08:25:26	jim	oh I speld it rong
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2021-05-19 08:25:30	ananke	it may be helpful to expand the PIA acronym in the topic, not sure that it's a common knowledge
2021-05-19 08:25:34	esselfe	 
2021-05-19 08:25:35	akik	speld
2021-05-19 08:25:35	BluesKaj	Hi jim, yeah, just read the #freenode topic
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2021-05-19 08:25:54	akik	that's strong spell
2021-05-19 08:26:02	jim	coincidentally, I just changed that topic
2021-05-19 08:26:12	esselfe	 well if I drop it I can't talk here, maybe take the registered-only flag off of the channel :P
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2021-05-19 08:26:42	sappheiros	?
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2021-05-19 08:26:58	sappheiros	lol that all caps
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2021-05-19 08:27:21	sappheiros	who is PIA?
2021-05-19 08:27:36	hoho`	can i has cloak please?
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2021-05-19 08:27:50	ananke	hoho`: wrong channel for that
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2021-05-19 08:28:00	hoho`	oops
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2021-05-19 08:28:10	esselfe	hoho`: ask in #freenode
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2021-05-19 08:28:23	mlu	PIA: can stand for "Private Internet Access, Ltd" or Prison Industries Association
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2021-05-19 08:28:41	TerianceVi	Holy crap.... I just am seeing all this crap going down ... what the actual fsck...
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2021-05-19 08:28:53	rascul	sappheiros private internet access, popular vpn which at one time was known for lack of logging, a few years ago bought by a company formerly associated with malware
2021-05-19 08:28:56	esselfe	so freenode is getting private with this change?
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2021-05-19 08:30:09	sappheiros	yes it's now owned by a guy and shells.com apparently
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2021-05-19 08:30:35	bernard__	can we sms talk now?
2021-05-19 08:30:55	akik	lol
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2021-05-19 08:34:20	Dan39	does Sauvin's English still far exceed mine? I'm guessing the answer to that will be YES!
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2021-05-19 08:36:01	 *	omero QUI PRODEST
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2021-05-19 08:37:35	notK	I'm currently writing my local legislators pleading for the illegalization of linux
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2021-05-19 08:38:25	sappheiros	at this rate ...
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2021-05-19 08:39:01	ananke	notK: you can troll elsewhere
2021-05-19 08:39:03	deavmi	what is happening on freenode. I keep hearing about stuff but no idea what is happening, been a user for like the last 5 years so I don't know what the fuss is about (like I know nothing)
2021-05-19 08:39:09	deavmi	I just keep hearing "impending doom"
2021-05-19 08:39:13	deavmi	like the rapture.... of irc
2021-05-19 08:39:14	akik	10:54 -!- grumble [~Thunderbi@freenode/staff/grumble] has quit [Killed (grumble
2021-05-19 08:39:24	sappheiros	mm ... deavmi https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
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2021-05-19 08:39:27	deavmi	thanks
2021-05-19 08:39:28	akik	harakiri seppuku etc.
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2021-05-19 08:39:37	ananke	deavmi: there have been many IRC raptures, freenode is not the only IRC network
2021-05-19 08:39:38	sappheiros	https://mniip.com/freenode.txt
2021-05-19 08:40:02	metbsd	how to block discord in my network
2021-05-19 08:40:06	sappheiros	deavmi, this link seems better for primary resignation letters https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_461
2021-05-19 08:40:08	metbsd	do i do it on the router?
2021-05-19 08:40:32	ananke	metbsd: google? not sure how that's related to linux
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2021-05-19 08:41:30	deavmi	thanks lads
2021-05-19 08:41:37	deavmi	I am just getting insight into what happened then I will read those
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2021-05-19 08:43:47	deavmi	Isn't it a bit of a jump for people though to say freenode won't exist, I mean this andrew lad doesn't own the infra so I mean surely the best thing to do (I mean if I were in their shoes) would be come up with a nw name and move to a new domain (Unless because andrew thinks he owns the network which is kinda weird, like saying I own pornhub because my domain reidrects to theirs???!?!)
2021-05-19 08:43:48	triceratux	rofl that debian post. folks take freenode staffers seriously ?
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2021-05-19 08:43:59	deavmi	PEOPLE DO BE MAD
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2021-05-19 08:44:24	deavmi	Virgin freenode staffer vs chad discord mod
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2021-05-19 08:45:08	triceratux	wait. does this mean i can stop wearing a mask in ##linux ?
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2021-05-19 08:46:47	msiism	Is there an overview of this whole quagmire somewhere? Or is it too early for that?
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2021-05-19 08:46:58	ananke	deavmi: you seem to be taking it all the way to 11, it may be best to dial it back to 4-5
2021-05-19 08:47:13	deavmi	ah okay
2021-05-19 08:47:17	DuClare	msiism: https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
2021-05-19 08:47:18	deavmi	I just heard so much buzz
2021-05-19 08:47:24	deavmi	they made it sound really bad
2021-05-19 08:47:28	deavmi	but after reading that doc it brought it back down to earth for me
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2021-05-19 08:47:34	bernard__	tldr; drop your nick
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2021-05-19 08:47:46	bernard__	justkidding dont do it
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2021-05-19 08:47:56	rascul	drop it like it's hot
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2021-05-19 08:49:11	msiism	DuClare: Thanks.
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2021-05-19 08:50:13	rindolf	This song is so me now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcCp7488puc
2021-05-19 08:50:37	redlegion	joepie91, now there's a name i've not heard in many moons
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2021-05-19 08:52:08	triceratux	it even says usenet
2021-05-19 08:52:23	 *	triceratux is laughing so hard he can barely roll on the floor
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2021-05-19 08:54:21	niflce	how could be it a PIA,without a nick?
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2021-05-19 09:04:01	TheSilentLink	how do I get my display settings to save? I'm using kde and everytime I reboot my displayport screen is 1024x768 and it can't do any higher
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2021-05-19 09:04:10	TheSilentLink	unplugging it and plugging it back in solves it
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2021-05-19 09:05:24	jim	more info...
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2021-05-19 09:06:05	TheSilentLink	well two screens at 1080p 60 doesn't work so I need one at 1080p 60 and one at 50hz for some reason
2021-05-19 09:06:10	TheSilentLink	maybe that is breaking something
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2021-05-19 09:20:26	triceratux	looks like some kind of github issue :D
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2021-05-19 09:20:31	hrtk	jim: Any detailed news on this ?
2021-05-19 09:20:40	fakuve	Guys just a quickie with me :D . Is anyone using `zathura`? how do I go to a certain page number? is there a command? I sort of dont get it from the documentation
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2021-05-19 09:21:58	ananke	it would help to have at least one link in the topic to some kind of back story
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2021-05-19 09:23:08	Dan39	well, that didn't last long
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2021-05-19 09:23:27	ananke	what didn't?
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2021-05-19 09:23:33	Dan39	oh, it's back haha
2021-05-19 09:24:51	rascul	maybe https://kline.sh would be a good link for /topic
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2021-05-19 09:25:25	triceratux	https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207440 ?
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2021-05-19 09:26:18	triceratux	its drRoy http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/private-internet-access-and-freenode/
2021-05-19 09:26:53	 *	triceratux is always the last to hear about stupphz :)
2021-05-19 09:27:00	Dan39	sup triceratux
2021-05-19 09:27:14	triceratux	just trying to keep my imap up :)
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2021-05-19 09:28:26	Dan39	why would it go down?
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2021-05-19 09:29:04	DevAntoine	Dan39: just read the statment.
2021-05-19 09:29:09	oxek	is this channel over now?
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2021-05-19 09:29:42	DevAntoine	Dan39: there's a good explanaition there: https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt
2021-05-19 09:29:42	Dan39	DevAntoine: but what's that have to do with triceratux's services? <_<
2021-05-19 09:29:57	Dan39	triceratux's email services
2021-05-19 09:30:02	@jim	hrtk, there is some, I don't have specifics (other folks do)
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2021-05-19 09:31:37	triceratux	https://www.sparklabscyber.com/mentors/Andrew-Lee.html
2021-05-19 09:32:12	--	jim has changed topic for ##linux from "you can of course choose which irc net you move to; to let you know, we're going to irc.libera.chat (6667 plaintext or 6697 tls)" to "We're actually not going to close this channel right away, still, you can of course choose which irc net you move to (if you move); to let you know, we're going to irc.libera.chat (6667 plaintext or 6697 tls)"
2021-05-19 09:32:17	triceratux	ruh roh https://www.irc.com/lets-take-irc-further
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2021-05-19 09:33:06	ZenixOwler	a bit historical question, since the GNU project had kinda replaced the original UNIX, does anyone nowadays still use UNIX ? And a second question, i did read a few articles about the creation but how could AT&T sue UC Berkeley only because they made their own BSD ? or they did create some similar tools of UNIX
2021-05-19 09:33:38	notK	ZenixOwler that's a troll as old as time
2021-05-19 09:33:47	ZenixOwler	notK: troll ?
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2021-05-19 09:34:18	ZenixOwler	notK: troll what
2021-05-19 09:34:30	pikapika	wtf man
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2021-05-19 09:35:37	Dan39	triceratux: wtf lol... i mean c'mon.. IRC Gaming (We're going to have literally hundreds of thousands in cash prizes!)
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2021-05-19 09:37:01	Dan39	this guy knows how to cater to the stupid
2021-05-19 09:37:16	Dan39	look at his other site he links https://imperialfamily.com/
2021-05-19 09:37:29	triceratux	hrm https://sysarmy.com/blog/posts/irc-sysarmy-r-en-freenode/
2021-05-19 09:37:35	Dan39	take your seat triceratux , you will be king now!
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2021-05-19 09:37:50	Dan39	YOU can be a millionaire! just join me now!
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2021-05-19 09:39:21	pikapika	How are we to ensure people don't camp on channel names on the new network
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2021-05-19 09:39:33	pikapika	ie the old channels and ops get a smooth path to the new
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2021-05-19 09:39:41	triceratux	aaaand there they go https://news.knowledia.com/US/en/articles/welcome-to-libera-chat-c7294a061ed653b2f8fee4092da573f470bc496f
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2021-05-19 09:41:08	ananke	heh, unless somehow my ISP blocks all libera.chat servers, I have yet been able to connect there
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2021-05-19 09:41:26	alyx	ananke: it's currently experiencing some networking issues as things overload a bit
2021-05-19 09:41:28	pikapika	ananke, possibly swamped
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2021-05-19 09:41:43	notK	I'm registering a lot of FOSS channels there and immediately closing them
2021-05-19 09:41:45	Dan39	alyx: overloaded? lol amateur hour
2021-05-19 09:41:45	ananke	alyx: 'some' would be an understatement
2021-05-19 09:41:53	@jim	ananke, there are a few of us there, including myself
2021-05-19 09:41:54	pikapika	alyx, will registry datas transfer over there or will we have to start anew?
2021-05-19 09:42:01	ananke	notK: no need to advertize being a jerk
2021-05-19 09:42:14	pikapika	Thanks for letting us know
2021-05-19 09:42:16	alyx	Dan39: well really it looks more like someone's ddosing it but 🤷
2021-05-19 09:42:23	alyx	pikapika: nothing will be transferred over
2021-05-19 09:42:29	notK	Dwarf is ddosing it
2021-05-19 09:42:31	Dan39	alyx: that's what i was going to say, but i didn't want to be the first one to say it :P aha
2021-05-19 09:42:34	notK	as he sees it as a threat to Rizon
2021-05-19 09:42:42	triceratux	https://wiki2.org/en/Private_Internet_Access
2021-05-19 09:43:01	pikapika	who the fuck is this andrew fellow and how did he get the domains for freenode
2021-05-19 09:43:06	pikapika	apparently he was a long time staff here?
2021-05-19 09:43:11	notK	ananke I've already gotten ##fedora #ddwrt
2021-05-19 09:43:16	jellyb	hear, hear
2021-05-19 09:43:22	notK	and #libreelec
2021-05-19 09:43:26	@jim	pikapika, freenode was sold to PIA in 2017
2021-05-19 09:43:36	pikapika	oh
2021-05-19 09:43:37	pikapika	wtf
2021-05-19 09:43:37	ananke	notK: are you seriously boasting malicious actions here?
2021-05-19 09:43:43	deavmi	Now that freenode is burning may I shill my own network XD (http://deavmi.assigned.network/projects/bonobonet/#servers/), oh look my apache2 webserver didn't die (it's been Illegal Instruction'ing me the past few days)
2021-05-19 09:43:45	pikapika	ananke, I mean good for us
2021-05-19 09:43:46	notK	yes, please do something about it
2021-05-19 09:43:50	notK	cos I know you'll do nothing.
2021-05-19 09:43:53	pikapika	The network over there will know who to boot
2021-05-19 09:43:59	ananke	jim: see notK
2021-05-19 09:43:59	alyx	pikapika: nah he wasn't staff
2021-05-19 09:44:02	alyx	he just bought the place
2021-05-19 09:44:12	@jim	yeah I see
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2021-05-19 09:44:19	notK	Dwarf is doing the ddosing of the network
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2021-05-19 09:44:29	notK	he's an oper on Rizon who is very threatened
2021-05-19 09:44:30	jellyb	cant we just buy andrew lee out
2021-05-19 09:44:43	alyx	sure if someone wants to pull out a few million dollars
2021-05-19 09:44:44	alyx	:P
2021-05-19 09:44:45	triceratux	looks legit https://www.block123.com/zh-hans/nav/361784479679.htm
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2021-05-19 09:45:56	@jim	notK, what does any of this have to do with linux?
2021-05-19 09:46:39	notK	uh it's uh, open source, uh stuff.
2021-05-19 09:46:57	notK	what does talking about libera have to do with linux?
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2021-05-19 09:47:23	@jim	there is a ##linux there (and a #linux)
2021-05-19 09:47:33	notK	yes
2021-05-19 09:47:34	notK	there is.
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2021-05-19 09:48:16	BluesKaj	yeah, but my connection keeps dropping ....they're having netsplit probs
2021-05-19 09:48:37	ananke	can we just call as it is, boasting malicious actions designed to make life difficult for legitimate projects to potentially move to that new network?
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2021-05-19 09:49:13	questi	:)
2021-05-19 09:49:14	oxek	jim: ugh, will it be #linux or ##linux that's official there?
2021-05-19 09:49:19	notK	ananke
2021-05-19 09:49:25	notK	shut up
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2021-05-19 09:49:26	questi	freenode irc seems to be one  of the last chat roooms worlwide lol
2021-05-19 09:49:30	notK	you can't and won't do shit.
2021-05-19 09:49:32	questi	pretty telling
2021-05-19 09:49:39	ananke	notK: perhaps you should
2021-05-19 09:49:41	Dan39	yawn
2021-05-19 09:49:43	notK	linux should be illegal anyway
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2021-05-19 09:50:39	notK	muh precious open source linux
2021-05-19 09:50:40	ananke	questi: actually, there are more irc networks now than there were 10 or 20 years ago
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2021-05-19 09:50:49	questi	ananke: they are all dead xd
2021-05-19 09:50:50	bryan	imagine being this upset by foss
2021-05-19 09:50:52	questi	i checked
2021-05-19 09:50:53	notK	Rizon > Freenode
2021-05-19 09:51:04	notK	efnet > freenode
2021-05-19 09:51:09	notK	dalnet > freenode
2021-05-19 09:51:10	@jim	notK, yaknow something? I'm getting tired of your crap
2021-05-19 09:51:16	notK	do something about it faggot.
2021-05-19 09:51:17	ananke	questi: ircnet, efnet, oftc, still exist
2021-05-19 09:51:20	bryan	he's a tough guy dude
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2021-05-19 09:51:35	@jim	notK, come back in a hundred years
2021-05-19 09:51:42	notK	blow me neckbeard
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2021-05-19 09:52:14	questi	ananke: there are more than 7 billion people on earth and we are saying they mostly chat in small irc like ofts etc
2021-05-19 09:52:15	questi	hmm
2021-05-19 09:52:16	MrNaz	i've got 4x 12tb drives and i'm trying to set up a 48tb raid0 array
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2021-05-19 09:52:25	MrNaz	but it won't seem to create properly when i follow the usual process
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2021-05-19 09:52:30	MrNaz	are there size limits i could be hitting?
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2021-05-19 09:52:40	Duality	 /topic
2021-05-19 09:52:46	ananke	questi: who's saying that? what are you talking about?
2021-05-19 09:52:56	ananke	MrNaz: no
2021-05-19 09:53:14	ananke	MrNaz: what's the mdadm command you're using, and what are the errors?
2021-05-19 09:53:36	ananke	also, that's some error prone configuration
2021-05-19 09:53:42	MrNaz	yes i know
2021-05-19 09:53:51	MrNaz	it's a temp array
2021-05-19 09:54:29	ananke	hope the data is not important :)
2021-05-19 09:54:40	@jim	We're actually not going to close this channel right away, still, you can of course choose which irc net you move to (if you move); to let you know, we're both here and going to irc.libera.chat (6667 plaintext or 6697 tls)
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2021-05-19 09:54:54	MrNaz	housing data that is being worked on, but that resides in the archives
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2021-05-19 10:09:21	BluesKaj	I see there are a couple of linux chats on librea already
2021-05-19 10:09:34	BluesKaj	libera even
2021-05-19 10:10:33	ananke	its services are shot all to hell, sadly
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2021-05-19 10:10:41	tomato	BluesKaj: afaik #linux over there is the "official" one, owned by ...someone? while ##linux has the same ops as this one
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2021-05-19 10:11:17	ananke	it will be a second fragmentation of freenode. first it was oftc, now libera
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2021-05-19 10:11:27	BluesKaj	tomato, ok, good to know
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2021-05-19 10:14:22	Dan39	ananke: this seems a bit different than oftc
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2021-05-19 10:14:27	@jim	people will pick what they wanna do
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2021-05-19 10:16:07	ananke	Dan39: of course, I wouldn't expect exact same scenario to take place repeatedly. the point of my comment was that this is the second time time freenode is resulting in a split to another irc network
2021-05-19 10:16:18	triceratux	hows it spelled again ? dont see it on netsplit https://netsplit.de/networks/
2021-05-19 10:16:40	Henry151	what is all this
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2021-05-19 10:17:00	Henry151	is everybody leaving and going to some other network?
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2021-05-19 10:17:25	Henry151	jim: you're not going are you?
2021-05-19 10:17:30	triceratux	the handshake guy bought freenode in 2018 & someone apparently noticed a week or so ago
2021-05-19 10:17:45	Henry151	i'm not leavin
2021-05-19 10:17:45	almostdvs	Henry151: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27207440
2021-05-19 10:17:46	Dan39	ananke: if all the channels "migrate" as well as all the staff, freenode might just die i think
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2021-05-19 10:18:20	bryan	have fun handing over your quit/join messages to business overlords
2021-05-19 10:18:39	Dan39	bryan: ?
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2021-05-19 10:19:12	ananke	Dan39: if current freenode staff picked up the data (channel/nick/cloak registrations), then freenode would be dead in a matter of days. not sure how many people will want to repeat this process
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2021-05-19 10:19:21	foobar2	bryan are you suggesting using quit and join to binary-encode foul messages to the new owners?
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2021-05-19 10:20:16	bryan	well I just meant the network isn't going to be in the hands of volunteers but somebody with financial motivations and goals
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2021-05-19 10:20:50	bryan	if you don't have a problem with that though, guess there's nothing wrong
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2021-05-19 10:21:56	triceratux	maybe Ps1-Jack will come back
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2021-05-19 10:23:28	foobar2	I think I need to know something about libtool, libtoolize, or (auto)make. I'm trying to build git from source. My managed system has a very outdated version of git, so I'm needing to build it locally myself as part of a yak-shaved automated pipeline. The makefile complains that I'm missing `<curl/curl.h>` and curl-config, and it's right. What's
2021-05-19 10:23:29	foobar2	the standard, elegant solution for compiling around this issue? I have libtool and libtoolize available. I know scripting sed edits to the files isn't the right way to do this.
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2021-05-19 10:28:55	Henry151	hmm
2021-05-19 10:29:01	Henry151	well i use pia as my vpn provider
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2021-05-19 10:29:39	Henry151	so they're already the ones protecting my privacy, i'm not really concerned about them being the ones protecting my privacy while i'm on freenode, too
2021-05-19 10:29:49	Duality	question about gpio's here
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2021-05-19 10:29:58	Duality	anyone who can help me with that?
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2021-05-19 10:30:05	gironomo	https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
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2021-05-19 10:30:23	gironomo	End of the freenode era. Move to libera
2021-05-19 10:30:36	Duality	i have a device tree with gpio's and some hare hogged
2021-05-19 10:30:50	Duality	but i want to name gpio's without necesarrely hogging them
2021-05-19 10:30:55	Duality	so that i can use them from userspace
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2021-05-19 10:35:41	triceratux	https://media.tenor.com/images/8ace8220f3de17027b2b25dec1ab1174/tenor.gif
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2021-05-19 10:39:48	LuKaRo	gironomo: Yes, see you there!
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2021-05-19 10:40:08	gironomo	sounds good. Does someone on this channel know about this that can move it there?
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2021-05-19 10:50:42	ZenixOwler	hello, so anyone pls help me clear out some historical stuffs pls
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2021-05-19 10:51:08	djph	ZenixOwler: best to just ask the real question.
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2021-05-19 10:51:29	ZenixOwler	djph: well i kinda did tho, but it got flooded
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2021-05-19 10:52:03	djph	ZenixOwler: the only thing I see is a "please help clear some historical stuff"
2021-05-19 10:52:14	ZenixOwler	well, it's getting badly flooded then
2021-05-19 10:52:15	ZenixOwler	hold up
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2021-05-19 10:54:00	ZenixOwler	djph: well this may get stupid but recently i am studying about Linux's history, so since the GNU project had kinda replaced the original UNIX, does anyone nowadays still use UNIX ? And a second question, i did read a few articles about the creation but how could AT&T sue UC Berkeley only because they made their own BSD ? or they did create some similar tools of UNIX
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2021-05-19 10:54:26	djph	yes, UNIX is still huge in business.
2021-05-19 10:54:36	djph	because AT&T owned UNIX
2021-05-19 10:55:03	ZenixOwler	so i guessed their BSD project has some similar features to UNIX ? or else it can't be sued
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2021-05-19 10:55:15	djph	no
2021-05-19 10:55:25	djph	it was a straight derivative of AT&T UNIX
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2021-05-19 10:55:35	djph	as in they literally started with AT&T's base
2021-05-19 10:55:50	ZenixOwler	oh, that's rough then
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2021-05-19 10:56:17	djph	when they did that; it was A-OK ... later on, it wasn't
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2021-05-19 10:56:19	ZenixOwler	but if GNU/Linux is free and has so much common with UNIX which is paid ? ( since it's owned by a company ), then why do businesses still use it over Linux
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2021-05-19 10:57:23	ZenixOwler	well i ain't very sure if UNIX is paid or not, because the only paid system that most people talk about is either Windows or MACOS, but it must come with something which isn't free at least or else AT&T can't keep their license on it
2021-05-19 10:57:27	powerhouse	how do you run a speed test from the cli?
2021-05-19 10:57:27	rangergord	I've started using ssh keys for git auth (I normally use username+password for ssh). I'm not bothering with having a single identity and copying it on multiple machines, I just run ssh-keygen whenever I'm on a new system, and paste the public key on github. So I ended up with like 8 identities, I just give them descriptive names on Github like home-ubuntu2004vm, home-WSL, work-debian10vm, etc. This isn't a big deal right?
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2021-05-19 10:57:41	LunarAgent	LunarIRC (irc.lunarirc.net) - the friendliest IRC network around + free BNCs! We welcome retrogamers, coders and wizards. Drop by, feel at home, create and re-create channels and enjoy your stay! LunarAgent, over and out.
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2021-05-19 10:58:20	ananke	ZenixOwler: commercial UNIX systems are backed by extensive engineering, long life cycles, and support
2021-05-19 10:58:26	rangergord	a new IRC network in the year of our Lord 2021. lol.
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2021-05-19 10:58:31	jdr	Was he trying to get folks to join a different irc network because freenode is dying?
2021-05-19 10:58:50	ananke	powerhouse: there are speedtest and speedtest-cli tools
2021-05-19 10:58:50	rangergord	freenode's dying?
2021-05-19 10:59:02	ZenixOwler	yea exactly, freenode's dying ?
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2021-05-19 10:59:16	jdr	No not dying.
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2021-05-19 10:59:42	ZenixOwler	ananke: oh, well but i haven't really tried it at all so is it paid like Windows ?
2021-05-19 10:59:53	ZenixOwler	maybe i can setup a VM and try it out at some points
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2021-05-19 11:00:09	powerhouse	ananke, doh! Already had it installed lol
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2021-05-19 11:00:42	ananke	ZenixOwler: uhmm, not sure what 'paid like windows' even means. and go look up AIX, Solaris, HP-UX
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2021-05-19 11:01:04	ZenixOwler	well i meant like you have to pay to obtain a product key
2021-05-19 11:01:08	ZenixOwler	or something similar
2021-05-19 11:01:22	ZenixOwler	but in the end, you have to spend some cashes if you want it installed on the host
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2021-05-19 11:02:35	pikapika	jim, # or ## over at libera
2021-05-19 11:02:37	pikapika	I am assuming ##
2021-05-19 11:02:49	ZenixOwler	ananke: huh, those you recommended me doesn't seem like it's owned by AT&T and they weren't sued ? just wondering
2021-05-19 11:03:02	pikapika	the # one seems to be ran by some efnet personality so probably ##
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2021-05-19 11:03:08	ZenixOwler	ananke: or the company allowed them to use the tool-set and the kernel with some conditions
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2021-05-19 11:03:33	ananke	ZenixOwler: you can look up their history
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2021-05-19 11:04:00	djph	ZenixOwler: AT&T sold UNIX licensing off a long time ago.
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2021-05-19 11:04:19	ZenixOwler	oh, yea that makes sense now
2021-05-19 11:04:35	djph	ZenixOwler: and you stick with UNIX because you need things to be rock solid for 40 years
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2021-05-19 11:05:11	instantp10neer	https://www.kline.sh/
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2021-05-19 11:07:08	instantp10neer	Title: freenode now belongs to Andrew Lee, and I'm leaving for a new network. (at www.kline.sh)
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2021-05-19 11:09:30	jjakob	the thing that annl
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2021-05-19 11:09:47	jjakob	annoys me about OFTC is the channel search gets overloaded a lot
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2021-05-19 11:10:14	ZenixOwler	yea, doesn't really matter who it's sold to actually, i don't see any issue, just like no one is ditching Github once it's acquisited by MS
2021-05-19 11:10:24	ZenixOwler	well at least not all
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2021-05-19 11:10:28	jjakob	except a lot of people did ditch it
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2021-05-19 11:10:45	ZenixOwler	my last reply above went slow
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2021-05-19 11:10:55	DuClare	github was at that point already "too big to fail"
2021-05-19 11:11:07	DuClare	but irc is basically thirteen nerds chatting
2021-05-19 11:11:25	rangergord	instantp10neer: OK I read some of those IRC logs. Would anything of value be lost if "Freenode volunteers" all disappeared/were replaced?
2021-05-19 11:11:27	hrtk	jim: You didn't mention the channel name on libera, #linux or ##linux.
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2021-05-19 11:11:39	ZenixOwler	which is why it's not even that crucial to make things so serious about
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2021-05-19 11:12:43	instantp10neer	Depends on your idea of freedom?
2021-05-19 11:12:44	jjakob	I see the global notice from jess and operwall from nicole now
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2021-05-19 11:13:28	jjakob	I wonder what the real reason for their resignation is
2021-05-19 11:13:46	ZenixOwler	honestly saying, how do you know that the former of this channel actually maintain and secure your privacy ? this is just like the Facebook crisis of breaching data and then everyone else thinks "other medias won't do the same with our data", but basically by the time of chatting and such, the others have already had our data and who know what was done or not done to it
2021-05-19 11:14:15	rangergord	instantp10neer: No, I mean, what value do these volunteers bring? It seems like drama from people on a power trip. And their replacements are also on a power trip. For normal users will anything actually change?
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2021-05-19 11:15:05	Shaun	for us peons, the main thing that's up in the air is which network will get the critical mass to sustain various communities
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2021-05-19 11:15:46	ZenixOwler	instantp10neer: also, "if you are using a service for free, you're the product", i don't know who said that or i rephrased it correctly but it sounds mostly accurate in all cases
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2021-05-19 11:16:27	rangergord	it's gonna be this one. There's no actual issue with Freenode (even under Lee) that makes normal people like me leave. I mean I'll leave if it becomes a ghosttown, but my default position is not joining a new network until everyone's already moved there.
2021-05-19 11:16:28	rangergord	I imagine most people are like me
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2021-05-19 11:16:52	ZenixOwler	yea same on me
2021-05-19 11:17:06	rangergord	there's no privacy issues here, since it's already a public service
2021-05-19 11:17:07	ZenixOwler	i am not here to spread and propagate my private information, i'm just here to chat and learn and ask
2021-05-19 11:17:38	rangergord	Any ad company can send bots to every channel and log everything. Political future blackmailers and angsty drama queens are already doing it.
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2021-05-19 11:17:41	ZenixOwler	so it doesn't matter what he does, advertise me or anything, just do it, if all channels are alive, i'm alive and so is everyone
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2021-05-19 11:18:36	ZekeS	 I'll just lurk in both
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2021-05-19 11:19:07	ZenixOwler	rangergord: political future blackmailers ? there is actually a job like that
2021-05-19 11:19:09	triceratux	rangergord: all the intelligence agencies have all the irc logs. theyre being combed by ai processes all the time. the volunteers must be protecting the registration email addresses or something
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2021-05-19 11:19:25	ZenixOwler	rangergord: who are they expecting to be blackmailed
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2021-05-19 11:19:35	 *	triceratux doesnt remember lodging a great deal of personal data with freenode
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2021-05-19 11:20:44	triceratux	thats why they say delete your account. horrorz. andrew lee might get ahold of my gmail address o.O
2021-05-19 11:22:15	ZenixOwler	well i have more than one account here, things are gonna be messy
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2021-05-19 11:22:15	rangergord	ZenixOwler: anything you've said at any time in the past can be used against you. For example, laughed at the idea of a man dressing up as a woman in 2006 when that was the norm? Good luck running for certain parties, getting certain jobs, etc, if your rivals have access to this info.
2021-05-19 11:22:15	sandman13	it's a horror tbh
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2021-05-19 11:22:21	rangergord	that's why the 1st thing agents are doing for modern athletes when they sign them, is delete all their old tweets
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2021-05-19 11:22:39	sandman13	most of the stuff people do is already logged with/without their consent.
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2021-05-19 11:23:12	sandman13	and it will probably be used against you at some point in time.
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2021-05-19 11:23:27	rangergord	triceratux: I doubt the volunteers have access to the registration emails. That's probably just the nickserv bot/database. Though, that might be the sort of thing (no indication of that yet) that corporate ownership could try to monetize.
2021-05-19 11:23:33	sandman13	"Only way to win this game is not to play"
2021-05-19 11:23:43	ZenixOwler	rangergord: well i'm not really living in the US though and i assume the "agencies" you'r talking about is mostly US citizens
2021-05-19 11:23:53	ZenixOwler	because this server is hardly famous in my nation
2021-05-19 11:23:59	mentax_	Hey all, could someone recommend me a firewall which will block all traffic but ask me if I wanna allow that traffic? I know they have something like this in windows, wonder if linux has something similar
2021-05-19 11:24:20	rangergord	mentax_: OpenSnitch
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2021-05-19 11:24:23	rangergord	haven't tried it yet though
2021-05-19 11:24:23	tomato	mentax_: https://github.com/evilsocket/opensnitch
2021-05-19 11:24:29	tomato	opensnitch is, honestly, a bit shit
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2021-05-19 11:24:35	tomato	but it's better than nothing
2021-05-19 11:24:45	rangergord	what's shit about it?
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2021-05-19 11:24:52	tomato	by default it only blocks the connections while it's prompting
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2021-05-19 11:25:15	tomato	so when you do a curl, it prompt you for the first dns request, during that prompt it falls back to your second DNS, and then completes the connection
2021-05-19 11:25:18	triceratux	ah yes the bitcoin wizards monetising the freenode email addresses. imagine the corporations waiting to target ads to irc neckbeards
2021-05-19 11:25:22	tomato	which is, uh, a bit confusing the first time it happens
2021-05-19 11:25:29	triceratux	the final uncontacted market
2021-05-19 11:25:44	rangergord	tomato: jesus christ.
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2021-05-19 11:26:01	mentax_	tomato: Thank you! Will try. Is it only one with similar functional?
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2021-05-19 11:26:09	tomato	mentax_: as far as I'm aware, yes
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2021-05-19 11:26:15	tomato	make sure to set default action to block instead of allow
2021-05-19 11:26:21	chaotix	hey guys just wanted to update you all...  got the wifi and touchpad working on my toshiba satellite l55
2021-05-19 11:26:32	tomato	and also up the time limit on the prompts, otherwise it's a bit hard to properly configure the rules
2021-05-19 11:26:45	tomato	...because for some reason the timer keeps ticking even after you've interacted with the prompt
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2021-05-19 11:27:12	rangergord	tomato, did you open an issue? if so can you link it? I don't see it as an open issue on their site.
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2021-05-19 11:27:26	ZenixOwler	rangergord: also, don't their database get full over time and at some point they have to delete some of it out ? like consider me which is a nobody, keeping me in will waste some capacity in time of need and the second thing is is Freenode that famous or dangerously organized for the agencies to focus on ? have there any drug-dealing or some illegal things happening here at least
2021-05-19 11:27:30	tomato	rangergord: I haven't because it's not really a bug, just a bit of a ux issue
2021-05-19 11:27:33	rangergord	maybe it's been fixed. That seems like a hole the size of a carrier in the privacy/security purpose of OpenSnitch
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2021-05-19 11:27:51	tomato	because while the behavior *is* a bit weird, it does exactly what it's told by default, which is allow the connection if no prompt can be opened
2021-05-19 11:28:20	rangergord	ZenixOwler: no. Text especially is trivial to store.  Everything everyone here has ever written or will write in their whole life, can probably be compressed to like 10GB.
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2021-05-19 11:28:29	rangergord	if not less
2021-05-19 11:29:13	rangergord	tomato: what I understood you to be saying, is that curl (or any application blocked by default) will be able to connect to the internet, even though you haven't yet authorized it?
2021-05-19 11:29:45	tomato	rangergord: that's correct, yes, because by default opensnitch lets every connection through if it can't open a prompt
2021-05-19 11:29:52	ZenixOwler	rangergord, consider 10GB for one person's life or 9GB, which sometime can contain spamming and such and it has been over a lot of times, could be years starting from the day authorities spy on people which was long time ago, how is their database not full ?
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2021-05-19 11:29:55	tomato	which is the case when there's already a prompt open
2021-05-19 11:30:05	fling	Which app for stability monitoring?
2021-05-19 11:30:05	rangergord	while you're being prompted
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2021-05-19 11:30:43	jjakob	I guess they have your IPs, e-mails and chat history
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2021-05-19 11:30:47	rangergord	and if you change this default to "block anything which I didn't explicitly allow"?
2021-05-19 11:30:48	tomato	so if the flow is resolve domain -> access domain via http, this results in resolve domain -> prompt (initial resolve times out at this point) -> fallback to secondary dns (no prompt, because first prompt still open) -> open connection (no prompt for same reason)
2021-05-19 11:30:53	rangergord	(which is really what you should be doing tbh)
2021-05-19 11:30:53	jjakob	the latter 2 anyone joining a channel can have too
2021-05-19 11:30:59	tomato	rangergord: if you change it to block by default it works as expected
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2021-05-19 11:32:18	mentax_	tomato: can I work on a linux router? If I will create iptables rules with masquerade?
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2021-05-19 11:32:43	rangergord	ZenixOwler: because storage space is cheap. I'm just a regular home user and I got 12TB for like $300. Security agencies have millions and millions. They collect everything because they can, because it can later prove useful, reveal info about people who are not yet targets, but will be in the future.
2021-05-19 11:32:51	tomato	mentax_: no idea, I think they do have the option to prompt on a remote device, but I've personally only used opensnitch in interactive desktop sessions
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2021-05-19 11:34:21	ZenixOwler	rangergord: yea but is Freenode gonna be a target ? it's not really famous here but no sure about yours
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2021-05-19 11:36:10	rangergord	It's not about targets. It's about the data being there for the taking, by organizations who have decided it's beneficial to accumulate this data. They don't spy on all citizens because they suspect every citizen: they do it so they have this data available already when they need to take someone down.
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2021-05-19 11:36:32	tomato	honestly, I personally consider every irc channel I participate in logged anyway
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2021-05-19 11:36:55	rangergord	Freenode is probably the biggest IRC network (right? Not sure), frequented mainly by middle-class or higher males of a certain age with a certain freedom/anti-authoritarian bent.
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2021-05-19 11:37:12	rangergord	It's a better target than any other IRC network
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2021-05-19 11:38:06	rangergord	tomato: same here. But our private conversations aren't, and unless you reveal your email in a channel, there's nothing to tie it to an identity
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2021-05-19 11:39:38	rangergord	although if you're not hiding your IP, then I think they can use timestamps + ISP logs to tie it down to a household
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2021-05-19 11:41:00	rangergord	which combined with other personal things you will have said ("I'm 30, I'm left-handed, I work in the film industry") can be used to identity you at a later time
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2021-05-19 11:45:28	triceratux	some of that stuff sits on the web. google rasengan, find the irc log, find the ip http://www.tryton.org/~irclog/2018-08-10.log.html https://ipinfo.io/211.194.69.119 thats why they keep saying south korean
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2021-05-19 11:46:57	triceratux	so its not a question of privacy. they just dont like getting letters from lawyers
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2021-05-19 11:58:13	englosh	are you serious? https://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_461 is this for real?
2021-05-19 11:58:35	bryan	ыес
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2021-05-19 11:58:37	bryan	yes
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2021-05-19 11:58:53	englosh	I can't believe this
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2021-05-19 11:59:51	englosh	what is that "Trumpian wannabe korean royalty bitcoins millionaire" do with freenode?
2021-05-19 12:00:02	englosh	going to do*
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2021-05-19 12:00:12	englosh	who is that millionaire?
2021-05-19 12:00:44	twiclo	Andrew Lee
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2021-05-19 12:01:24	twiclo	However that description makes me more hopeful for freenode
2021-05-19 12:01:28	englosh	It seems there is this now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libera.chat
2021-05-19 12:01:37	englosh	wikipedia says the staff member moved there
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2021-05-19 12:02:01	twiclo	Yeah a bunch of freenode guys moved over
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2021-05-19 12:02:11	twiclo	It's all over hackernews
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2021-05-19 12:02:23	twiclo	https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409/
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2021-05-19 12:02:25	twiclo	summary
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2021-05-19 12:02:31	englosh	maybe not everything will go to ruin under Andrew Lee having control? I don't really know how much of a bad guy he is
2021-05-19 12:02:31	triceratux	it was a github mindvirus psy-op. they succumbed in moments
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2021-05-19 12:03:22	bryan	perhaps, but he represents a company
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2021-05-19 12:06:12	englosh	"Andrew Lee will likely gain control over the NickServ database at some point." "they can no longer guarantee the safety of your information or community there" this made me think maybe people should change their passwords but then I remembered that passwords are usually stored as hashes anyway so it probably doesn't matter unless they are actually
2021-05-19 12:06:13	englosh	stored as plain text
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2021-05-19 12:07:47	triceratux	"For anyone that feels uncomfortable continuing to use freenode after its hostile takeover by a for-profit company ..." https://gist.github.com/jesopo/45a3e9cdbe517dc55e6058eb43b00ed9
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2021-05-19 12:08:24	MrNaz	i have a xubuntu box with an extra ssd that i added... i've partitioned it and made the fs and i can mount it, but i get permission denied when i try to write to it... i've mounted it using sudo... is there anything special that needs to be done when mounting drives to give the current user write permissions?
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2021-05-19 12:08:42	triceratux	its all about the profit. they did have to shut down testnet which means they werent in control of freenode anymore
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2021-05-19 12:09:38	bryan	englosh: not really a sound strat to rely on their hash as your security
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2021-05-19 12:12:00	englosh	bryan: I mean yeah they could brute force it I suppose
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2021-05-19 12:16:13	triceratux	this ones pretty good https://mniip.com/freenode.txt
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2021-05-19 12:22:41	svarq	http://rcedir.com/listing/rasta-ring0-debugger-59
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2021-05-19 12:22:47	svarq	anyone heard of this before?
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2021-05-19 12:23:27	rudar	Dear linux users, I have a weird problem: in short, I'm trying to run weston as a non root user, using systemd, but apparently weston doesn't want to run unless it's been executed as a root just before.
2021-05-19 12:23:28	rudar	In this nopaste there's a full report, to avoid cluttering this channel: https://nopaste.nl/j5SvAKHrf9
2021-05-19 12:23:28	rudar	I willingly accept any advice on how to understand why this is happening, I'd like to know if it's a problem from my configuration, or a problem of weston/libinput/libevdev for which I need to open a bug report.
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2021-05-19 12:26:25	metbsd	Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_va_gl.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
2021-05-19 12:26:49	metbsd	where does program usually check for these so files?
2021-05-19 12:27:01	metbsd	i have libvdpau installed
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2021-05-19 12:28:09	letmein	usually /lib or /usr/lib
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2021-05-19 12:28:11	rudar	metbsd, usually it's /usr/lib
2021-05-19 12:28:24	Solitary	or /usr/lib64 depending on architecture of the library in question
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2021-05-19 12:28:36	Solitary	it might be in one and not the other and the issue is about the missing one
2021-05-19 12:28:41	miskatonic	is 'metbsd' a portemanteau of midnightbsd and netbsd?
2021-05-19 12:28:52	omero	or /usr/local/lib
2021-05-19 12:29:02	metbsd	so if i make a link it should work?
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2021-05-19 12:29:10	Solitary	link to what?
2021-05-19 12:30:03	metbsd	i'm trying to fix it by link it to another libpaudu
2021-05-19 12:30:09	metbsd	libvdpau
2021-05-19 12:30:16	Schrostfutz	Hi, I'm on a server that seems to ignore the BootOrder I set using efibootmgr. After looking into the efivars I suspect it might be using another variable (LegacyBootOrder; legacy boot is disabled) instead. Is there a way to convince efibootmgr to use that instead?
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2021-05-19 12:32:26	Solitary	metbsd, I am not sure what you mean by "another", either you have that library in its correct form or you dont
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2021-05-19 12:32:48	Solitary	are you sure you have it installed? and possibly both 32b and 64bit?
2021-05-19 12:32:54	Solitary	depending what you are trying to run
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2021-05-19 12:33:06	metbsd	i have /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libvdpau.so.1 and /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libvdpau.so.1.0.0
2021-05-19 12:33:28	Solitary	but thats not libvdpau_va_gl.so
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2021-05-19 12:33:43	Solitary	libvdpau_va_gl sounds like some sort adapter for vaapi
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2021-05-19 12:34:10	metbsd	what is vaapi
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2021-05-19 12:34:21	metbsd	is it for video decoder?
2021-05-19 12:34:29	Solitary	yes, similar to VDPAU
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2021-05-19 12:34:34	Solitary	AMD and Intel use it
2021-05-19 12:34:53	metbsd	is it important? Maybe i just ignore it?
2021-05-19 12:35:02	Solitary	well I dont know what you are trying to do
2021-05-19 12:35:07	Solitary	I dont even know what distro you have
2021-05-19 12:35:20	metbsd	sorry, ubuntu, plex media player
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2021-05-19 12:35:28	Solitary	check your repo if it has a package for libvdpau-va-gl
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2021-05-19 12:36:08	omero	can you ldd <your binary executable>, metbsd ?
2021-05-19 12:36:09	metbsd	libvdpau-va-gl1/hirsute 0.4.2-1build2 amd64
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2021-05-19 12:36:25	Solitary	try installing that
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2021-05-19 12:36:49	Solitary	my guess is you have Nvidia GPU
2021-05-19 12:36:51	Solitary	right?
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2021-05-19 12:38:17	twainwek	can you mount a disk image that is available on an nfs share on multiple machines such that you have same data when writing to the mount point?
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2021-05-19 12:38:36	metbsd	i have both intel and nvidia card, i use prime offload to run it with nvidia
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2021-05-19 12:38:55	metbsd	but you said it's availalbe only in intel or ati
2021-05-19 12:38:58	metbsd	so i'm confused
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2021-05-19 12:39:11	Solitary	not only, but those GPU use it
2021-05-19 12:39:40	metbsd	omero, i'm not sure. what does it do?
2021-05-19 12:39:56	metbsd	libva info: va_openDriver() returns 0. 0 means good, 1 means error, right?
2021-05-19 12:39:59	Solitary	but in the end it depends what the app supports, so if the video player only support VDPAU for example, then you couldnt use it with AMD and Intel as they only implement VAAPI
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2021-05-19 12:40:18	omero	metbsd, man ldd please
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2021-05-19 12:40:44	Solitary	yes 0 is good
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2021-05-19 12:41:46	Solitary	maybe try a reading up on VDPAU and VAAPI a little just to be bit in the picture about it :)
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2021-05-19 12:42:18	Solitary	here you have a little readme for what this library does
2021-05-19 12:42:18	Gustavo6046	Torvalds is not secretly here.
2021-05-19 12:42:18	Solitary	https://github.com/i-rinat/libvdpau-va-gl
2021-05-19 12:42:21	metbsd		not a dynamic executable
2021-05-19 12:42:26	metbsd	omero
2021-05-19 12:42:40	metbsd	ok thanks, Solitary
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2021-05-19 12:43:08	Gustavo6046	That is a lie – a governmentconspiracy, if you will. Him here would be pretty... I dunno, unlikely?
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2021-05-19 12:43:22	Gustavo6046	Space there, too, I'm no German.
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2021-05-19 12:54:11	twainwek	if i mount foo.img that is on an nfs drive on two machines, what i write to them on the two machines gets out of sync
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2021-05-19 13:06:59	kulak	so, I have httcgi user pushing new songs into directory served by emby server.  Emby works best if files have write permission by emby:emby user:group.  httpcgi user creates files with httpcgi:http membership.  I can add emby to http group, but that does not resolve all access permission issues. What's the best way to deal with it?
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2021-05-19 13:07:45	kulak	I meant to say phpcgi not httpcgi user.
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2021-05-19 13:12:05	wrobinson	having a frustrating experience with virt-manager, new setup, windows7 iso adapted for uefi boot
2021-05-19 13:12:40	wrobinson	but it's dropping to uefi shell, where though I can find bootx64.efi in the right place; running it just silently does nothing
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2021-05-19 13:38:02	larkfisherman	kulak: idk it seems pretty lively at times
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2021-05-19 13:49:07	triceratux	https://9to5linux.com/geckolinux-switches-to-btrfs-by-default-now-offers-gnome-40-1-lxqt-0-17-and-budgie-10-5-3
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2021-05-19 13:50:46	ananke	with both #linux and ##linux on libera, I'm curious to see how the spread is going to be like between them (and this channel)
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2021-05-19 13:51:37	c705	i dunno, but this whole thing is stupid
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2021-05-19 13:52:26	Tadgy	ananke: I've set #slackware on Libera to forward to the ##slackware channel.
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2021-05-19 13:52:38	Tadgy	So people will end up in the right place :)
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2021-05-19 13:53:08	birkoff	the man manual says that one can use less to search for a 'tag' (ctags) but when I try it less complains that "No tag files"
2021-05-19 13:53:25	ananke	Tadgy: good idea
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2021-05-19 13:53:26	Inline	you have to create the tags
2021-05-19 13:53:40	Inline	via ctag in some directory
2021-05-19 13:53:47	Inline	man ctags
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2021-05-19 13:54:00	triceratux	"Tout cela parce que je crois profondément en l'altruisme qui nourrit beaucoup d'entre nous autour des logiciels libres et du copy left est l'un des moteurs essentiels du progrès de l'humanité, le partage des connaissances, rendre le monde meilleur."
2021-05-19 13:54:04	triceratux	mais oui
2021-05-19 13:54:30	 *	triceratux is so sad
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2021-05-19 13:56:25	birkoff	Inline: ctags is not only for C files ?
2021-05-19 13:56:26	hknd	What's up with the whole IRC network migration topic?
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2021-05-19 13:57:07	Khaytsus	hknd: https://www.kline.sh/  start here
2021-05-19 13:57:22	triceratux	hknd: this is my fave so far :) https://mniip.com/freenode.txt
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2021-05-19 13:57:43	Inline	birkoff: ctags has a language flag via ctags -l
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2021-05-19 13:57:59	Inline	birkoff: try ctags -l help or so to get a list of langs covered
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2021-05-19 13:58:58	hknd	Checking the second link, stuff hits the fan so goddamn fast
2021-05-19 13:59:05	Oachkatzl	Hello I'm using Manjaro KDE. I have a problem with printing documents. WLan printer prints first page then pauses prints second page unfinished and starts with printing first page again. No problem with printing from Smartphone
2021-05-19 13:59:22	birkoff	i could only run ctags --list-languages , it would complain that -l is unknown (universal/exuberant ctags 5.9)
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2021-05-19 14:00:07	hknd	An acquisition by the PIA looks shady at best, considering all the controversy about PIA like a year ago.
2021-05-19 14:00:27	Inline	birkoff: ok that might be, there probably are differences from distro to distro or so
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2021-05-19 14:01:50	birkoff	I do seem to generate a tags file but upon searching for a tag in less I get errors like: [p 41, 7.5i, div 'an-div', 0.5i]: can't break line "Tag not found" although the tag exists in the tags file. These warning don't appear for invalid tag names
2021-05-19 14:02:10	birkoff	so maybe the format is wrong
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2021-05-19 14:02:29	Inline	ya can be, sounds like format issues
2021-05-19 14:02:29	raxor2k	i moved both my API folders into an folder called "adminpanel", and now i get the ERROR: Pool overlaps with other one on this address space.. Do i need to change my docker-compose file? https://bpa.st/FXZA
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2021-05-19 14:03:05	birkoff	example line: VERSION less.1 /^.SH "VERSION"$/;" s title:less
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2021-05-19 14:09:47	hkm	hi
2021-05-19 14:09:53	jim	hi
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2021-05-19 14:11:50	hkm	how can I implement arrays in a sh script? The "array" will be containing files. I was thinking of files="f1 f2 f3 f4" and then tokenizing each file by using a for loop and using cut to parse ' ' (space).
2021-05-19 14:12:11	hkm	This will obviously fail if filenames have whitespace in them
2021-05-19 14:12:23	ananke	hkm: bash has actual arrays. any reason why you'd need 'sh'?
2021-05-19 14:12:35	jim	can the array contain pathnames?
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2021-05-19 14:12:52	hkm	ananke, I wish to gain practice with sh
2021-05-19 14:13:18	hkm	jim, yes they can
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2021-05-19 14:15:53	rangergord	hkm: I can't answer your question, but I can tell you long ago I gave up on writing anything but the most trivial shell script in bash. I just use Python. My life is easier now. Debugging stuff is easier. Writing stuff is easier.
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2021-05-19 14:16:18	rangergord	if ultra Unix portability isn't a concern, I suggest you do the same
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2021-05-19 14:16:44	hkm	appreciate it rangergord :)
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2021-05-19 14:17:58	hexnewbie	More portability? You can install Python the same way you'd have to install bash in the first place
2021-05-19 14:18:29	hkm	I actually had an idea in the bathroom! The user would be supplying the contents for the array thus each filename could be temporarily stored in a temp file in a new line. When the time comes, each line could be read as a single element and be processed
2021-05-19 14:18:31	c705	hexnewbie: that's "unresonable" to some people
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2021-05-19 14:18:41	hkm	No longterm storage is actually needed
2021-05-19 14:18:47	rangergord	yeah I know but some projects think requiring Python is too much to ask. For your average project though, it's not a big deal to require Python.
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2021-05-19 14:19:16	hkm	yes but python is not minimal :) rangergord
2021-05-19 14:19:24	rangergord	hkm: I should stop bringing my phone with me to the bathroom, if peace of mind can give the solution to technical issues :)
2021-05-19 14:19:30	 *	hexnewbie files an amendment to POSIX that would mandate Perl to be present
2021-05-19 14:20:02	longxia	excellent idea
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2021-05-19 14:20:49	rangergord	hexnewbie: which Perl though?
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2021-05-19 14:21:08	hkm	i wish i could parse strings using a `cut` equivalent which accepts a string as a delimiter compared to a single character. Can anyone think of something like this?
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2021-05-19 14:21:43	hkm	Needs to be able to parse using fields (like cut's -f)
2021-05-19 14:21:45	hexnewbie	rangergord: Raku, obviously
2021-05-19 14:21:50	ananke	hkm: awk
2021-05-19 14:22:10	hkm	ananke, i feel stupid now thanks
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2021-05-19 14:26:12	hkm	where can i find examples of POSIX compliant (professional) production scripts? Someone recommended that I do NOT look for them in /usr/bin/
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2021-05-19 14:28:05	rangergord	There's a tool called "fasd" which I use, which supports any POSIX shell. https://github.com/clvv/fasd
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2021-05-19 14:30:18	bernalex	hey. just wondering if someone more up to date than me could fill me in concerning modern developments in desktop environments, if any? what I'm specifically interested in is if there's any "desktop" environments that have moved past the desktop metaphor, or is doing something interesting otherwise. I remember "back in the day" there were some
2021-05-19 14:30:19	bernalex	experimentation going on, e.g. Project Looking Glass, but nothing overly... usable... came off it.
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2021-05-19 14:34:42	bernalex	basically I'm interested in developments in stuff like eagle mode, sugar, project looking glass, etc., but perhaps more... well, usable. :)
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2021-05-19 14:36:42	rangergord	I don't think you'll find anything really usable because by definition those will be inferior UI paradigms that lost out to evolution. It will be one or two hobbists working on them in their spare time.
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2021-05-19 14:37:18	puff	Hm, Ubuntu 18, Xubuntu-desktop, when I undock the laptop it doesn't automatically resize app windows, so the bottom and right edge are offscreen.  Alt-F10 (the normal maximize/minimize) doesn't change anything.
2021-05-19 14:37:32	puff	Ah, right-click maximize worked.
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2021-05-19 14:38:07	puff	But still kind of annoying, would rather use the keyboard. For that matter, I'd rather it worked right, or that there was some option to maximize *all* of them at once.
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2021-05-19 14:49:20	madprops	changed the psu and now the audio system is messed up. is it 100% a hardware problem or can it be some misconfiguration? pulsemixer --get-volume throws an error for instance
2021-05-19 14:49:31	madprops	"IndexError: list index out of range"
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2021-05-19 15:12:21	triceratux	its an upheaval https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/rss
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2021-05-19 15:16:39	Xeroine	hello
2021-05-19 15:16:56	Sauvin	##linux is also moving but will be maintaining its presence here for the time being while we see how things are going to unfurl.
2021-05-19 15:17:05	Xeroine	yeah I know
2021-05-19 15:17:07	Xeroine	thanks
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2021-05-19 15:17:45	CordialCatto	where can I find available kernel modules in the kernel source folder? it's for android but guessing it's not too different from linux
2021-05-19 15:17:47	Sauvin	If you go there, be advised: libera's establishment was planned, but it wasn't anticipated that the exodus would start happening essentially *yesterday*. Things are an unholy mess over there right now.
2021-05-19 15:17:52	triceratux	i still dont get that part. why would ##linux be moving ?
2021-05-19 15:18:01	wrobinson	moving? oh
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2021-05-19 15:18:11	Xeroine	triceratux: because it's on freenode
2021-05-19 15:18:13	Shaun	triceratux: in a nutshell, politics
2021-05-19 15:18:22	wrobinson	hmm, isn't it always
2021-05-19 15:18:29	 *	Henry151 does a little dance
2021-05-19 15:18:37	Henry151	"when i move you move" just like that
2021-05-19 15:18:49	Sauvin	Politics, disagreements involving management policy, and lawyers. Apparently Freenode is now under commercial ownership.
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2021-05-19 15:19:04	Shaun	you can't put 2000 people in one place without politics.  pretending it doesn't exist is how freenode got in this state
2021-05-19 15:19:06	wrobinson	ah right
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2021-05-19 15:19:11	Henry151	thankfully this is the internet where you can be in more than one place at once
2021-05-19 15:19:18	Sauvin	This isn't 2000 people. It's more like 80 000.
2021-05-19 15:19:20	Henry151	so i'm here, *and* i'm there.
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2021-05-19 15:19:37	triceratux	but why crash & burn on the way out ? this channel is constituted by the 1700 connections lurking here. the andrew lee stuff has no effect on that
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2021-05-19 15:19:55	wrobinson	Freenode'll need to change their name then to something more appropriate
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2021-05-19 15:20:03	goddard	crazy
2021-05-19 15:20:03	Shaun	2000 was just me looking in the top corner
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2021-05-19 15:20:09	Max-P	Having worked for Andrew / PIA in the past, expect him to run freenode like it's his personal toy and community
2021-05-19 15:20:29	paulcarroty	you can't ignore politics 'cause it's everywhere (c)
2021-05-19 15:20:38	triceratux	Max-P: cool. he can come in here & ask linux questions if he gets stuck :)
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2021-05-19 15:22:11	CordialCatto	how can I list the kernel modules available in linux/android kernel source?
2021-05-19 15:22:17	Shaun	This is a guy who is genuinely a pretender to the korean throne.  "delusions of grandeur" is very much his MO
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2021-05-19 15:27:12	iflema	CordialCatto: list?
2021-05-19 15:27:15	leftyfb	triceratux: there has been mention of user data being in the hands of a hostile entity and potentially shared beyond
2021-05-19 15:27:49	triceratux	yeah all those emails saying why was i banned ?
2021-05-19 15:28:04	triceratux	pfft https://www.linux.org.ru/news/opensource/16326850 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ike8uDsh7RM
2021-05-19 15:28:44	CordialCatto	iflema: I want to see which modules are available to the kernel, before compiling
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2021-05-19 15:29:05	Shaun	I'm not so worried about personal information.  that's not what I use irc for.  just the split of which communities land where, and the threat that some may land in halves
2021-05-19 15:29:06	c705	.quit
2021-05-19 15:29:08	iflema	:D
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2021-05-19 15:30:17	smlavine	A house divided against itself cannot stand. We'll either become all one thing, or the other. Or a bunch of things, but at least not *that* thing. And maybe we make some rooms of the house run on Electron
2021-05-19 15:30:19	rangergord	if we move to libera.chat can we finally end sauvin's tyrannical reign of terror and be free to use txtspeak again, like God intended?
2021-05-19 15:30:24	rangergord	That's the only thing that'll make me go
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2021-05-19 15:30:55	iflema	CordialCatto: available?
2021-05-19 15:31:33	magnulu	any tips for a headless photo mangement program? I import media from different devices to my NAS, and I want to be able to do some reviews before I import stuff into lightroom for further editing
2021-05-19 15:31:43	DLange	rangergord: you can stay here as the last person txtspking to yourself as much as you want to :)
2021-05-19 15:32:26	magnulu	it would be great to have a program that works on an existing directory, writing metadata changes directly to files (or sidecar)
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2021-05-19 15:33:27	magnulu	I struggle to find anything - I've tried photoprism, but the worst thing is it lacks the ability to delete files (without subscribing)
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2021-05-19 15:34:39	rangergord	I think it would be very easy to relocate this channel. Just mute everyone and change the topic to "We've moved to libera.chat". Not saying we should, because the confederates here seem like a bunch of drama queens, but IF this channel had to be moved, this is the only way.
2021-05-19 15:34:51	iflema	CordialCatto: what modules the running kernel is using or a list of enabled modules in you config or all the things or?
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2021-05-19 15:35:12	smlavine	rangergord: That's what #sr.ht has done
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2021-05-19 15:36:30	paulcarroty	rangergord: let's settle linux-freespeech channel
2021-05-19 15:36:59	DkrTremos	evening
2021-05-19 15:36:59	CordialCatto	iflema: the modules that are available to compile with the kernel, in the kernel source
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2021-05-19 15:38:09	CordialCatto	iflema: or maybe i'm misunderstanding, isn't the source for the modules included in the kernel source? so it should be possible to list which modules can be compiled?
2021-05-19 15:38:09	iflema	CordialCatto: what are you doing? research? You want list all availble modules you can toggle?
2021-05-19 15:38:51	iflema	CordialCatto: define module?
2021-05-19 15:39:09	rangergord	Message from Andrew Lee, for balance reasons, to counter the pro-Libera narrative: https://gist.github.com/realrasengan/88549ec34ee32d01629354e4075d2d48
2021-05-19 15:39:16	CordialCatto	iflema: it's for android, since some modules are proprietary I want to see which ones can be compiled from the source, module = .ko file :D
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2021-05-19 15:40:54	iflema	um
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2021-05-19 15:41:11	Sauvin	rangergord, muting this channel at this time seems idiotic.
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2021-05-19 15:41:31	birkoff	i have a problem with 'less' navigating tags of 'man' pages (created with exuberant ctags). errors pop up when searching for existing tags (for example ':t NAME') but no tag is reported to be found after errors such as this : https://dpaste.org/2nGp/slim
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2021-05-19 15:42:49	rangergord	Sauvin: I wasn't suggesting you do. I'm saying IF you were to migrate, that's how it would be done. It's not clear to me that the libera people are the good guys here. For all we know they're a bunch of powertrippers. The sort of insults being sent at Andrew in reply to his open letter make me suspicious (capitalist scum, etc)
2021-05-19 15:42:51	iflema	CordialCatto: in total, all of them regardless?
2021-05-19 15:42:57	triceratux	i still think its funny how its an irc network & all this is about an ad on the webpage o.O
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2021-05-19 15:43:10	CordialCatto	iflema: I suppose, or for arm64 only
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2021-05-19 15:43:51	Solitary	triceratux, is that what you think this is about?
2021-05-19 15:44:03	rangergord	the sort of people who use capitalist scum as an insult, are the same sort as reddit moderators. often mentally ill people, whose whole life revolves around power over communities on the internet.
2021-05-19 15:44:48	Sauvin	rangergord, the problem as I see it is rather complex. At the moment, my attitude is that if people don't like the new Freenode, they can vote with their feet. I see no reason to try to force anybody to migrate.
2021-05-19 15:44:59	rangergord	Sauvin: we had a vote while you were away and decided that if you don't allow us to use txtspeak we're all leaving.
2021-05-19 15:45:18	triceratux	Solitary: no he had lawyers insist the data be turned over & testnet shut down. he pressured the volunteers & they left. so now what
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2021-05-19 15:45:31	Sauvin	rangergord, I have some bad news for you: the channel will be on a different net but will have the same registration, staff and policies.
2021-05-19 15:45:50	Sauvin	triceratux, we move.
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2021-05-19 15:46:14	rangergord	nooooo
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2021-05-19 15:46:45	Sauvin	rangergord, what's worse (and this is the point): libera is staffed entirely by present and/or former Freenode staff.
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2021-05-19 15:47:17	Sauvin	And, I suspect, Libera policy will not differ from Freenode's (heretofore) policy in any important respect.
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2021-05-19 15:47:40	rangergord	what policy? we don't need no stinking policies. it's IRC. Mods can enforce the rules of each channel.
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2021-05-19 15:48:00	triceratux	Sauvin: im just saying once the move is over youre welcome to stay here :)
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2021-05-19 15:48:23	Sauvin	I'll still be here until I see a reason not to be.
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2021-05-19 15:48:56	Sauvin	What's worse for *some* people, I'll be cutting down on the number of channels I'm in *here*, though, so my attention will be less divided. }:>
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2021-05-19 15:49:55	coldenbrewed	Is anyone here turning away from freenode?
2021-05-19 15:50:02	coldenbrewed	I saw the annoucement
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2021-05-19 15:50:17	coldenbrewed	But am not sure if I should delete my account wiht nickserv here
2021-05-19 15:50:26	c705	my guess is roughly 50%
2021-05-19 15:50:32	 *	triceratux liked the topic better with the pastebin.com warning in it
2021-05-19 15:50:42	rangergord	no because in the absence of unbiased data it's hard to ascertain who I agree with. So I stick to status quo.
2021-05-19 15:50:43	rangergord	c705: no way
2021-05-19 15:50:57	rangergord	c705: 99% of Freenode users couldn't name a single "staffer"
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2021-05-19 15:51:15	smlavine	coldenbrewed: It's been a day. Best not to do anything drastic.
2021-05-19 15:51:22	Sauvin	coldenbrewed, why don't you try Libera (give it a few weeks to settle) and see how you like it compared to Freenode before jumping onto what will likely be a much smaller net for the foreseeable  future?
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2021-05-19 15:51:35	coldenbrewed	I mean, I don't see a problem staying here either
2021-05-19 15:51:40	rangergord	Literally the only person I know even vaguely representing authority on Freenode I know of is sauvin. And I have no clue what he does outside of ##linux. Or if he even knows a single Freenode staffer.
2021-05-19 15:51:52	rangergord	 most people are like me
2021-05-19 15:51:53	mutante	coldenbrewed: yes, after seeing the website of the new owner
2021-05-19 15:51:55	coldenbrewed	I kinda expected the data to be not so secure anywyas
2021-05-19 15:51:59	Sauvin	coldenbrewed, it's not clear what the average user would see, and may not notice any difference at all.
2021-05-19 15:52:05	coldenbrewed	mutante, what webstie?
2021-05-19 15:52:25	coldenbrewed	smlavine, I am just lazy to go to ZNC to configure it lol
2021-05-19 15:52:25	mutante	coldenbrewed: imperialfamily.com -> Technology
2021-05-19 15:52:26	Sauvin	rangergord, I'm in a channel loaded with staff.
2021-05-19 15:52:38	Sauvin	(and I don't mean #freenode).
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2021-05-19 15:53:19	smlavine	What an awful website
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2021-05-19 15:53:46	coldenbrewed	I mean, I might just stay here if the main people here decides to stay active
2021-05-19 15:54:02	coldenbrewed	My password and email is kinda prepared for this anyways so they are not repeated
2021-05-19 15:54:11	rangergord	and what impression did you get of them in that channel? Teenage drama queens? Cause that's how the IRC logs looked to me.
2021-05-19 15:54:35	coldenbrewed	I like the people here, helped me out with linux problems many times
2021-05-19 15:54:42	iflema	linux ko file
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2021-05-19 15:54:58	iflema	what is that
2021-05-19 15:55:03	coldenbrewed	And, can someone reccomend a RSI feed app reader? And also sources to follow for linux/news
2021-05-19 15:55:14	coldenbrewed	Is it called RSI?
2021-05-19 15:55:21	coldenbrewed	I forgot the name of the feed
2021-05-19 15:55:23	smlavine	Repetitive Strain Industry?
2021-05-19 15:55:27	smlavine	Or do you mean RSS
2021-05-19 15:55:30	mutante	coldenbrewed: not sure it's going to be a choice though unless they find new operators for the network. see  /stats p   (0 staff)
2021-05-19 15:55:32	rangergord	RSS
2021-05-19 15:55:36	dragonmaster	iflema: kernel module
2021-05-19 15:55:37	coldenbrewed	RSS feed
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2021-05-19 15:55:41	coldenbrewed	yeah that's it
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2021-05-19 15:55:58	smlavine	Also lol Repetitive Strain *industry*. Only a matter of time until someone monetize's it
2021-05-19 15:56:14	coldenbrewed	any good rss feed readers for linux?
2021-05-19 15:56:18	coldenbrewed	that you guys like
2021-05-19 15:56:48	triceratux	coldenbrewed: http://lxer.com/ https://fossforce.com/foss-force-news-wire/ https://www.linuxprobe.com/news
2021-05-19 15:57:15	coldenbrewed	those are some nice feeds, but what reader program?
2021-05-19 15:58:41	triceratux	havent done rss in a long time. dont the browsers still do it ?
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2021-05-19 15:59:26	triceratux	lotsa browser extensions
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2021-05-19 16:00:14	triceratux	theyre out there tho https://itsfoss.com/feed-reader-apps-linux/
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2021-05-19 16:00:34	rangergord	paulcarroty: wait, you're the VSCodium guy? Nice! Just saw your name when following the installation steps.
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2021-05-19 16:00:40	coldenbrewed	will try out those thanks
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2021-05-19 16:03:46	iflema	dragonmaster: so how to list all objects for arm64 arch in source?
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2021-05-19 16:04:23	iflema	manually?
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2021-05-19 16:06:49	dragonmaster	I don't quite understand your question.   "source" and "objects" usually refer to two different things.    Do you want a list of all kernel objects compiled for the arm64 arch on your system?
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2021-05-19 16:08:25	iflema	me neither. CordialCatto was after a 'list'
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2021-05-19 16:10:13	dragonmaster	iflema: in case it's useful, you can run 'file' against all the kernel objects and check the arch
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2021-05-19 16:10:38	CordialCatto	dragonmaster: I guess I'm wondering if it's possible to list all .ko files that can be compiled with the kernel source
2021-05-19 16:11:09	iflema	Kconfig
2021-05-19 16:11:11	iflema	tracing
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2021-05-19 16:13:00	jjakob	I noticed today I got 10 spams in my spam folder. I usually don't get that much in one month. they were for the "webmaster" admin I have and not for my personal address. one slipped through the spam filter into the inbox
2021-05-19 16:13:14	jjakob	s/admin/alias/
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2021-05-19 16:44:46	johnjay	does grep have some limitation on large files or long lines? ripgrep is able to find a string I typed but grep does not.
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2021-05-19 16:45:36	Shaun	I was using grep on 15gigs of json today.  if it has a limitation it's the other side of that
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2021-05-19 16:46:28	johnjay	this is a 12M log file. ripgrep shows a line in the file but grep does not
2021-05-19 16:46:38	johnjay	i opened it in emacs and i can see the line is right there.
2021-05-19 16:46:51	johnjay	i so confused
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2021-05-19 16:47:19	dragonmaster	does it continue to fail if you trim down the input file?
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2021-05-19 16:47:41	dragonmaster	Try extracting the line that grep doesnt find into its own file
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2021-05-19 16:48:59	dragonmaster	according to the manual for GNU grep, "Though grep expects to do the matching on text, it has no limits on input line length other than available memory, and it can match arbitrary characters within a line."
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2021-05-19 16:49:49	johnjay	ok it shows it then
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2021-05-19 16:50:42	johnjay	it's line 118316
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2021-05-19 16:51:23	johnjay	maybe there's something wrong with weechat. i can never seem to grep my logs for things i've typed into the channel. so maybe it's encoded wrongly somehow?
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2021-05-19 16:51:48	johnjay	hexdump doesn't show anything unusual
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2021-05-19 16:52:42	dragonmaster	Are you certain you're using the same type of regex in both cases?   (e.g. PCRE vs basic)
2021-05-19 16:52:50	johnjay	the fact ripgrep shows it but grep doesn't make me think there's a problem in grep
2021-05-19 16:52:56	johnjay	no regex, just 'qemu'
2021-05-19 16:53:48	dragonmaster	so, you're running:   grep 'qemu' filename          and getting no output from gnu grep?
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2021-05-19 16:54:07	johnjay	i get output but it stops short of the line i'm interested is in
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2021-05-19 16:54:15	johnjay	hence my asking if grep has some line limit
2021-05-19 16:54:17	dragonmaster	are you using any options?
2021-05-19 16:54:20	johnjay	no
2021-05-19 16:54:43	dragonmaster	what does 'which grep' return?
2021-05-19 16:55:10	johnjay	/bin/grep
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2021-05-19 16:56:16	dragonmaster	Well, I'm at a loss, then.   I'm unaware of any limit on the number of lines.   grep detects the pattern if you run it on isolated input.   No clue.
2021-05-19 16:56:28	johnjay	it's other words too. it just seems to stop at a certain line number
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2021-05-19 16:57:01	johnjay	maybe grep chokes on a character before it can get that far?
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2021-05-19 16:57:14	dragonmaster	just for fun, what happens if you do   "cat filename | grep 'qemu'" ?
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2021-05-19 16:57:47	Sauvin	Does it emit an error?
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2021-05-19 16:58:15	dragonmaster	or 'grep -l 'qemu' filename'
2021-05-19 16:58:23	dragonmaster	ugh.  quoting disaster
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2021-05-19 16:58:51	dka	get bitcoin they told me
2021-05-19 16:59:09	mutante	see you on the other side!
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2021-05-19 16:59:18	c705	following advice from morons in the internet. great idea
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2021-05-19 16:59:37	phogg	that's the trouble with the internet
2021-05-19 16:59:45	phogg	no way to tell the difference between the morons and the geniuses
2021-05-19 16:59:47	c705	Sauvin: what's going on with this channel out of curiosity
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2021-05-19 16:59:56	johnjay	ah sorry i was in the other window
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2021-05-19 17:00:12	Seirdy	here we see moron on the internet complaining to morons on the internet about morons on the internet listening to morons on the internet. news at 11
2021-05-19 17:00:20	johnjay	so i included 5000 lines before the line in question then cut everything else, then it finds it
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2021-05-19 17:00:34	Seirdy	anyway im jumping to libera, bye
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2021-05-19 17:01:01	Sauvin	c705, ##linux is officially in the process of moving to irc.libera.chat. A *number* of groups and projects are in the wake of FN staff resigning en masse over differences with Freenode's apparent new owners.
2021-05-19 17:01:02	johnjay	same problem
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2021-05-19 17:01:27	c705	Sauvin: so that's happening? alrighty then. same name I take it?
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2021-05-19 17:03:29	dragonmaster	johnjay: That just sounds weird.   I don't know why there'd be any kind of limit on line numbers in a file.   If the contents of the file are not sensitive, consider submitting a bug report
2021-05-19 17:03:54	Sauvin	c705, the registration process is still a WIP, so just pick one. We'll sort it out when staff can surface for a breath of air.
2021-05-19 17:04:49	dragonmaster	johnjay: to be clear, this is a regular file on the system you're searching in, right?   It's not the output of a command or something?
2021-05-19 17:05:22	c705	Sauvin: yeah, i've registered already. need to re-configure after work though
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2021-05-19 17:05:46	c705	i'm not staff though, am I? S:
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2021-05-19 17:12:00	johnjay	ok i've narrowed it down to the lines from march
2021-05-19 17:12:07	johnjay	something in that is causing it to stop processing the file
2021-05-19 17:12:20	johnjay	dragonmaster: yes
2021-05-19 17:12:23	johnjay	it's a weechat log
2021-05-19 17:13:00	Sauvin	johnjay, what happens if you include the -a switch for grep?
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2021-05-19 17:15:24	Xeroine	hey, I'm really confused about permissions. I want to set the permissions for a folder named "data" so the owner (root) can rwx, group (teachers) can read, make new subdirectories in "data" and delete subdirectories in "data", others can do nothing. I don't understand how to make the group part. how can I have the group teachers be able to have 100% control over the files and directories inside "data" directory?
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2021-05-19 17:16:04	Xeroine	but also so teachers can't delete "data" itself
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2021-05-19 17:20:20	dragonmaster	Xeroine: does mode 770 not work for you?
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2021-05-19 17:22:20	Xeroine	oh
2021-05-19 17:22:22	Xeroine	it does
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2021-05-19 17:22:59	dragonmaster	mode 1770 might be better, but I don't know if it's necessary
2021-05-19 17:23:13	alltechbs	Any wso2 experts around? Have an issue with Federation to Okta. DEBUG {org.wso2.carbon.identity.sso.saml.servlet.SAMLSSOProviderServlet} - An invalid request message or single logout message received with session id : null
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2021-05-19 17:24:48	johnjay	Sauvin: i was about to say that did find the characters
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2021-05-19 17:24:52	johnjay	but i typed it all in the wrong channel
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2021-05-19 17:25:11	johnjay	so i guess the issue is it sees the rest of the file as a "line" or something so it fails?
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2021-05-19 17:26:04	alltechbs	Any thoughts?
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2021-05-19 17:26:21	Sauvin	The rest of the file is just one big honking line? Hrm.
2021-05-19 17:27:07	Sauvin	The reason I suggested -a with grep is that I've run into considerable trouble with IRC logs because the GECOS can involve stuff that isn't UTF-16.
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2021-05-19 17:32:03	EugenA	anybody using pi-hole? how can I block whole internet and allow only one domain?
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2021-05-19 17:32:32	c705	you don't need a pi-hole to do that, nftables would do it
2021-05-19 17:32:34	EugenA	added ".*" to regex blacklist
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2021-05-19 17:32:56	EugenA	do I need to do something else?
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2021-05-19 17:39:03	johnjay	ok i found the offending line
2021-05-19 17:39:20	johnjay	it's a guy who tried to change his nick and the output in the log shows about 20 zeroes in a row
2021-05-19 17:39:37	johnjay	Sauvin: yes -a makes it find it, otherwise it just reports "binary file matches"
2021-05-19 17:39:47	johnjay	so you have to force grep to treat it as binary in that case
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2021-05-19 17:44:36	johnjay	sadly this will be the last problem ever solved in #linux
2021-05-19 17:44:43	johnjay	RIP #linux. RIP
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2021-05-19 17:45:15	phogg	probably not, I imagine the trailing off period to last a few days
2021-05-19 17:45:43	johnjay	that reminds me of a story i heard about an alcoholics anonymous meeting
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2021-05-19 17:45:57	phogg	might as well tell it
2021-05-19 17:46:05	johnjay	apparently they were supposed to rotate the person in charge, but one person decided to keep the token or whatever it was, maybe a bible
2021-05-19 17:46:16	johnjay	so they basically all met up outside the meeting to find a new place to meet
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2021-05-19 17:46:32	johnjay	but a few people still went to the other one and it was like 3 people who didn't get the memo
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2021-05-19 17:47:23	phogg	too bad, imagine how the guy hogging the talking stick would have reacted if at the next meeting nobody else showed up (and the next (and the next))
2021-05-19 17:47:27	jorp	 
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2021-05-19 17:47:40	johnjay	that's the thing though, there were still advertisements or something around
2021-05-19 17:47:45	johnjay	so those 3 people still showed up
2021-05-19 17:47:47	Sauvin	johnjay, we're not going anywhere anytime soon, I think.
2021-05-19 17:48:03	johnjay	and since everyone left there was nobody to tell them where the new place was
2021-05-19 17:48:24	YWH_1	Free node has been taken over by a Donald Trump Supporter see slsahdot.org
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2021-05-19 17:59:06	triceratux	nah trump is anti cryptocurrency. andrew is, well https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/fight-control-andrew-lee-open-sourcing-pia
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2021-05-19 18:00:21	Max-P	there was one code dump and then nothing afterwards, because it's all advertising and marketing speech
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2021-05-19 18:02:20	triceratux	boom https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/19/freenode_staff_resigns/
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2021-05-19 18:03:18	alltechbs	Any wso2 experts around? Have an issue with Federation to Okta. DEBUG {org.wso2.carbon.identity.sso.saml.servlet.SAMLSSOProviderServlet} - An invalid request message or single logout message received with session id : null
2021-05-19 18:03:46	Xeroine	is there any way I can make an POSIX ACL entry that will make the root directory "data" and the subdirectories inside "data" executable but not the files inside "data"?
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2021-05-19 18:04:07	c705	alltechbs: you should probably join their irc channel
2021-05-19 18:04:07	c705	https://docs.wso2.com/display/GSoC/Contact+Us
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2021-05-19 18:05:06	alltechbs	@c705
2021-05-19 18:05:22	alltechbs	Thanks
2021-05-19 18:05:25	c705	yup
2021-05-19 18:05:37	triceratux	rofl https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover
2021-05-19 18:05:57	triceratux	its good copy in the blogosphere ill say that
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2021-05-19 18:06:09	c705	i'm so sick of the drama already
2021-05-19 18:06:15	c705	it hasn;t even been 7 hours
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2021-05-19 18:10:42	Sauvin	It's gonna be weeks, I think.
2021-05-19 18:10:50	c705	probably
2021-05-19 18:11:06	Sauvin	With residual drama stretching to months.
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2021-05-19 18:11:31	Xeroine	oh my bad nevermind my question, found the answer in a man page
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2021-05-19 18:12:25	c705	seems very tomaw vs andrew yee. very much he said she said
2021-05-19 18:12:46	terps	buddy
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2021-05-19 18:12:54	terps	look at a picture of andrew
2021-05-19 18:13:02	terps	and tell me you wanna take that guys side
2021-05-19 18:13:08	terps	looks like he's on meth
2021-05-19 18:13:21	c705	i'll probably be joining both (3 including OFTC) for the foreseeable future
2021-05-19 18:13:27	terps	just the way he talks
2021-05-19 18:13:36	terps	and the well documented string of actions from him
2021-05-19 18:13:37	c705	terps: why not show us a picture of what you like so we can judge you
2021-05-19 18:13:41	terps	he's a greedy dirtbag
2021-05-19 18:13:53	terps	I like pretty average tbh
2021-05-19 18:13:55	terps	*look
2021-05-19 18:14:00	Sauvin	Xeroine, happens to us all. I used to yell at people "Don't tell me to read the goddamn manual and start telling which flaming manual TO read!"
2021-05-19 18:14:02	terps	but I don't look like I'm on meth
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2021-05-19 18:14:47	Xeroine	lol
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2021-05-19 18:15:27	treefrob	no, you look like you're on terps
2021-05-19 18:15:45	terps	if you really want a selfie hold on
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2021-05-19 18:15:54	 *	treefrob takes cover
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2021-05-19 18:16:14	 *	treefrob thinks it will be a pic of some internet dog
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2021-05-19 18:16:48	terps	https://i.imgur.com/csBULTS.png
2021-05-19 18:16:58	 *	treefrob groans
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2021-05-19 18:17:13	terps	https://youtu.be/XOJAddj_SJE
2021-05-19 18:17:15	terps	dats me
2021-05-19 18:17:17	terps	^
2021-05-19 18:17:32	pfred1	ANTIFA agitator detected
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2021-05-19 18:17:51	c705	lol. and you say he looks like he's on meth?
2021-05-19 18:17:56	treefrob	sign in so I can see your mother bathing you?
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2021-05-19 18:18:08	c705	good thing i don't judge people by what they look like
2021-05-19 18:18:09	zamnedix	everything can be a terp, man
2021-05-19 18:18:32	Sauvin	OO! Libera has alis!
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2021-05-19 18:19:04	triceratux	you guys already made a channel for that. its in the topic
2021-05-19 18:19:18	Sauvin	"you guys"?
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2021-05-19 18:20:41	triceratux	the freenode fleers
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2021-05-19 18:22:47	terps	c705: https://foto.lol/images/pGoa.jpg
2021-05-19 18:22:50	terps	there ya go bud
2021-05-19 18:22:55	terps	actual picture of me irl
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2021-05-19 18:23:19	terps	have fun
2021-05-19 18:23:32	c705	i've lost interest
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2021-05-19 18:24:29	terps	aww what not ugly enough to poke fun at?
2021-05-19 18:24:38	terps	come on I got a huge nose
2021-05-19 18:24:41	terps	lets hear it
2021-05-19 18:24:57	c705	you should seek attention from outside the internet, it's more satisfying
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2021-05-19 18:25:13	terps	lol I'm not seeking attention just clowning clowns
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2021-05-19 18:29:24	furycd001	Hey Guys.. Been trying for the past few days to get graphics to fully function on Xubuntu 18.04.5. I have nvidia-driver-460 installed but if I select On-Demand or Performance Mode my laptop will fail to boot. The only way I can get back to my desktop is by booting into recovery mode and running "prime-select intel" from the root console. Screen tearing is everywhere and I can somewhat watch youtube in firefox, but local 
2021-05-19 18:29:24	furycd001	ough mpv will not load. Please help....
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2021-05-19 18:35:34	triceratux	"the network now remains independent after two heads of staff appear to have been compelled to make changes to our git repo for the website[4]." https://joseeantonior.wordpress.com/2021/05/19/freenode-changes-owners-jose-resigns-as-staff/
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2021-05-19 18:36:02	triceratux	it was all about the website /o\
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2021-05-19 18:38:04	ossifrage	even gcc 10.2.0 can take one missing ; in a header file and turn it into 1k lines of errors
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2021-05-19 18:41:41	Khaytsus	triceratux: If "it was about the website" is what you take of this, you didn't read.
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2021-05-19 18:43:35	triceratux	they fought over the domain. testnet was shut down. the entire situation became toxic then they started writing opuses. hes owned the asset since 2018
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2021-05-19 18:44:42	jerware	Hi.
2021-05-19 18:44:54	triceratux	its pretty clear the volunteers need a new home. im just not sold on all of ##linux going with them
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2021-05-19 18:45:39	jerware	I'm making a NAS using samba server with group permissions.  Is it possible to have AD login accounts and group policy/permissions configured on a seperate machine that points to this remote NAS server (which both are on the same lan) ?
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2021-05-19 18:49:33	dragonmaster	Not sure what you mean by "points to".   It is certainly possible for the NAS server to authenticate users and get user/group info from a separate AD server on the same LAN
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2021-05-19 18:49:56	dragonmaster	I may be completely misunderstanding your question
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2021-05-19 18:57:02	panzer	Hi, I just restarted my server during a mdadm resize and the server cannot find the raid, or the vg. I'm just trying to see if I'm fucked or not. Any help?
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2021-05-19 19:00:20	dragonmaster	panzer: is this the boot volume?
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2021-05-19 19:01:33	dragonmaster	I ask because I'm wondering what 'cat /proc/mdstat' returns
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2021-05-19 19:03:13	jerware	dragonmaster: that's what I meant.  thanks.
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2021-05-19 19:04:34	panzer	it is not a boot volume
2021-05-19 19:04:47	panzer	I would never boot from a massive raid like that
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2021-05-19 19:14:10	questi	ty to whomeever suggested a tor search engine
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2021-05-19 19:14:23	questi	a lot of useful info
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2021-05-19 19:14:40	questi	the only thing missing are some sites with a gov docs leaks :)
2021-05-19 19:14:43	questi	or corporate
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2021-05-19 19:22:02	panzer	dragonmaster mdstat doesn't see anything
2021-05-19 19:22:18	TerianceVi	How many people are running on both Freenode and now libera?
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2021-05-19 19:22:36	questi	TerianceVi: I am happy old crap mods left :)
2021-05-19 19:22:43	panzer	I'm just on node
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2021-05-19 19:22:47	questi	same xd
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2021-05-19 19:23:23	TerianceVi	I just have so many channels, and unless they make just sooo may freakin changes I don't see a mass migration unfortunately.
2021-05-19 19:24:08	panzer	Sorry can anyone help with my raid?
2021-05-19 19:24:41	questi	0 need to migrate
2021-05-19 19:24:52	questi	those people were lame and are lame hmm
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2021-05-19 19:25:40	Sauvin	Looks like we're going to find out. Freenode is now under corporate management, so I'm given to understand, and will likely be subject to massive casuistry.
2021-05-19 19:25:53	CyberManifest	Are Freenode values changing ?
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2021-05-19 19:26:07	Xeroine	if I have the directory "data" and I have 2 groups, group1 and group2. group1 can delete everything in "data" but group2 can do everything group1 can except group2 can't delete files and must still retain to have the ability to save files in "data". how could I implement this?
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2021-05-19 19:26:22	Sauvin	CyberManifest, we have to assume so. How much that would affect the average user remains to be seen.
2021-05-19 19:26:46	Sauvin	However, a *number* of major projects ARE moving. That'll affect the availability of specialised help.
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2021-05-19 19:27:08	CyberManifest	Sauvin where are they moving ?
2021-05-19 19:27:31	Sauvin	irc.libera.chat
2021-05-19 19:27:31	Xeroine	s/group1 can except group2 can't/group1 can except/g
2021-05-19 19:27:36	CyberManifest	Sauvin this is a bit disappointing news
2021-05-19 19:27:39	Adran	is ##linux moving over?
2021-05-19 19:27:55	triceratux	CyberManifest: https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/19/freenode_staff_resigns/
2021-05-19 19:28:17	Sauvin	Adran, yes. This channel isn't going anywhere anytime soon. My personal attitude is "join both, give Libera a while to get its floaters to sink, and then decide what they like".
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2021-05-19 19:29:35	Sauvin	This doesn't really have anything to do with GNU/Linux, but since the move impacts how the channel will run, we'll confine ourselves to "where and how!?" kinds of questions and shunt the rants and political stuff to either -offtopic or to #libera
2021-05-19 19:29:56	CyberManifest	triceratux thanks for the link
2021-05-19 19:29:57	Adran	just seeing how all this happeend and what data they gain makes me sad
2021-05-19 19:29:59	Adran	:(
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2021-05-19 19:31:48	CyberManifest	Thanks Sauvin for the information and guidence
2021-05-19 19:31:49	triceratux	CyberManifest: it went mainstream an hour ago. this morning it was still arcane ;) https://mniip.com/freenode.txt
2021-05-19 19:32:14	pfred1	once lilo died freeload's days were always numbered after that
2021-05-19 19:32:38	CyberManifest	RIP LILO
2021-05-19 19:32:46	pfred1	can't freeload forever you know?
2021-05-19 19:33:14	CyberManifest	pfred1 can unload forever ;)
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2021-05-19 19:34:41	CyberManifest	Best of Luck to all of you in this transition. I wish you all the best. Take Care
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2021-05-19 19:35:00	JayDoubleu	is there some web UI management tool I can install that would show me the IO graph for all my disks ?
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2021-05-19 19:35:49	JayDoubleu	something similar to this https://linuxconfig.org/images/01-how-to-benchmark-disk-performance-on-linux.png but on live HDD
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2021-05-19 19:39:01	pfred1	caterfxo stitch is cross
2021-05-19 19:39:25	caterfxo	like bert & ernie. together was kinda their thing
2021-05-19 19:40:05	pfred1	I miss openprojects
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2021-05-19 19:44:17	Xeroine	is it possible to allow a group to copying files to a directory but disallow deleting in that same directory?
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2021-05-19 19:44:46	caterfxo	is that what the sticky bit does?
2021-05-19 19:44:55	Xeroine	sticky is for users only no?
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2021-05-19 19:45:34	Xeroine	I need it for a group
2021-05-19 19:45:35	Psymania	I could be wrong about this but I think the answer is "no" -- each user/group can either write to the directory or cannot write to the directory (the write bit)
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2021-05-19 19:45:54	Xeroine	ah
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2021-05-19 19:46:01	Psymania	I'm not 100% certain
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2021-05-19 19:46:12	Xeroine	well you can save files and still be disallowed to delete files
2021-05-19 19:46:15	Xeroine	as I just discovered
2021-05-19 19:46:25	Xeroine	but anyways thanks
2021-05-19 19:46:38	caterfxo	man chmod
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2021-05-19 19:47:30	Psymania	Xeroine, idea -- you could have a different directory that users can write to, and an often-running cron job which checks for files in that directory, and if there are any, moves them to their destination (which is not writable at all by aforementioned group)
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2021-05-19 19:47:44	Psymania	so it is like an "intake directory" for the final destination if that makes sense
2021-05-19 19:47:51	Xeroine	oh no I can't have that
2021-05-19 19:48:06	Psymania	but that's a convoluted idea and perhaps there is a way to do what you want more directly that I'm unaware of
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2021-05-19 19:48:15	Xeroine	this is my homework assignment so we have like specific rules
2021-05-19 19:48:20	Psymania	ohhhh
2021-05-19 19:48:22	Psymania	hmmm
2021-05-19 19:48:31	Psymania	then there probably *is* a way I don't know of :)
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2021-05-19 19:48:47	Sauvin	Psymania, why not use incrond?
2021-05-19 19:48:47	eigar	Depends on file system. (Need to support ACL)
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2021-05-19 19:48:56	Xeroine	I'm already using ACL
2021-05-19 19:49:01	Xeroine	POSIX ACL
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2021-05-19 19:49:51	Psymania	Sauvin, yeah looks good, didn't know that was a thing -- but Xeroine says it's a homework assignment, so ostensibly there's a way to accomplish this without getting too creative
2021-05-19 19:49:53	Psymania	:P
2021-05-19 19:50:07	rngmaster	Hi, i'm having problems with an headset usb that i passthrough ( libvirt / qemu ) to a windows guest. It works but the sound isnt as good, also sometimes it freezes audio and comesback.
2021-05-19 19:50:22	Sauvin	Oh, hell. Homework? :\
2021-05-19 19:50:39	eigar	I'm busy with a game here :P, but perhasp this wall helps https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/308375
2021-05-19 19:50:44	Xeroine	I did the rest of my homework with ACL
2021-05-19 19:51:02	Xeroine	I think you can't do it without ACL
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2021-05-19 19:51:20	Psymania	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/869536/linux-directory-permissions-read-write-but-not-delete
2021-05-19 19:51:30	Psymania	Is this helpful? It mentions ACL and shows some syntax for doing some stuffs
2021-05-19 19:51:54	Xeroine	oh thanks
2021-05-19 19:52:04	Xeroine	guess I should've looked more
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2021-05-19 19:53:11	rngmaster	perhaps i need to unload the audio drivers before the machine starts?
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2021-05-19 20:18:15	coldenbrewed	Can I run ufw alongside firewalld?
2021-05-19 20:18:27	coldenbrewed	Since firewalld is easy to configure port forwardings
2021-05-19 20:18:31	coldenbrewed	when ufw isn't so easy
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2021-05-19 20:28:01	phogg	can one run both? Of course. Will the results be useful? Probably not.
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2021-05-19 20:43:55	IanLiu	When I run `hostname --fqdn` on a server, I get fqdn like n09.cluster, but I can't find an entry for that in /etc/hosts. Where is this fqdn coming from?
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2021-05-19 20:49:03	mmlj4	howdy.... I was just given a container, my first exposure to LXC... I know VMs inside and out, but this ain't that, I know... do i have a discrete OS? real root? can I update the kernel inside the container? or... ???
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2021-05-19 21:17:09	Lutin	On Alpine, has anyone an idea ? docker-compose pull #ash: docker-compose: not found
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2021-05-19 21:19:12	mlu	Lutin: did you install docker-compose?
2021-05-19 21:19:20	mlu	Lutin: it's not part of the base docker
2021-05-19 21:19:44	Lutin	mlu sure I did but it seems I need to install it using pip because of glibc
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2021-05-19 21:19:59	mlu	Lutin: I've always installed it via pip -- it's a python script
2021-05-19 21:20:47	Lutin	mlu doesn't say anything about that you need to use pip
2021-05-19 21:21:07	Lutin	I rather don't like pip for most cases, I want to keep my systems clean and sane
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2021-05-19 21:25:46	Lutin	mlu even with pip it doesn't work
2021-05-19 21:25:47	Lutin	hence
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2021-05-19 21:29:07	Lutin	direct command with full path works tho
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2021-05-19 21:31:19	questi	Mobile Hotspot on Android (and pretty much other mobile OS) only supports the tethering of cellular data/internet. When connected to a Wi-Fi network, you cannot share your Android smartphone's internet to other devices via Mobile Hotspot.
2021-05-19 21:31:29	questi	yet it seems to work on newest androids?
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2021-05-19 21:32:01	mmlj4	but why not just have the little devices connect to the WiFi themselves?
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2021-05-19 21:33:09	questi	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/59803653/how-to-enable-wifi-tethering-in-android-9-or-10
2021-05-19 21:33:31	questi	mmlj4 it for some reason it wont work
2021-05-19 21:33:42	questi	it keeps doing endless redirects
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2021-05-19 21:33:51	questi	on a portal page
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2021-05-19 21:34:53	questi	so yes does not matter haha
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2021-05-19 21:35:00	questi	https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5073056
2021-05-19 21:35:06	questi	its some cookie stuffing portal
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2021-05-19 21:36:33	mmlj4	how many WiFI deals does a phone have? think about it
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2021-05-19 21:38:13	questi	?
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2021-05-19 21:38:45	questi	lol why moving to libera
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2021-05-19 21:39:42	mmlj4	lol read slashdot and El Reg
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2021-05-19 21:40:53	questi	why
2021-05-19 21:41:30	questi	ops that moved knew fully what that woman was doing lol]
2021-05-19 21:41:38	questi	kristie
2021-05-19 21:41:45	questi	good riddance
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2021-05-19 21:42:13	Sauvin	questi, take the soapboxing to -offtopic or to #libera
2021-05-19 21:42:41	questi	Sauvin are you staying with freenode or?
2021-05-19 21:43:33	Sauvin	I'm maintaining presence here while we're still busy shooting at floaters on the other net.
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2021-05-19 21:48:07	Henry151	this whole incident has resulted in doubling the number of channels i'm in on my irssi, now at 155
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2021-05-19 21:48:20	 *	Henry151 sighs
2021-05-19 21:48:21	c705	Henry151: ditto
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2021-05-19 21:48:54	Henry151	i use irc differently than most folks i think; i'm in a crapload of channels and logging them all, and when i want to read about something i do various types of grep through my irclogs folder
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2021-05-19 21:49:09	Henry151	(private logging of course not publishing anywhere)
2021-05-19 21:49:16	c705	yeah that's different
2021-05-19 21:50:01	Henry151	yea i'll usually use -C 5 to print the five lines above and below my target search term
2021-05-19 21:50:04	Henry151	or similar
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2021-05-19 21:50:53	Henry151	sometimes i'll do one grep into another to narrow it down, like all the things a certain person has said that mention a certain phrase, or similar
2021-05-19 21:51:26	Henry151	often i find i get a lot better quality content and information than i could by say, googling about a subject
2021-05-19 21:51:57	Henry151	really of course i just dream about using irc in the way described above, in practice i hardly ever actually do it and when i do it usually isn't very effective
2021-05-19 21:52:15	Henry151	but it's a good excuse to keep logging 155 channels! :)
2021-05-19 21:52:36	questi	don't log too much :)
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2021-05-19 21:53:04	phogg	my channel count actually went down as I /part'd channels on freenode I don't really need to be in (and don't yet exist on libera)
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2021-05-19 21:53:25	Henry151	at one point i did a big reset, because i changed the way the logs are formatted (so that each line will contain the date and time)... so i have one big folder of all my irclogs up until that date and a new one for after
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2021-05-19 21:54:30	Henry151	yeah I am pretty excited to be here for the big move from freenode to libera; i'm glad i didn't miss it and pop back in to freenode way down the line to find it abandoned or inactive, and not know where everybody went
2021-05-19 21:54:35	phogg	Henry151: I also do grepping on logs like that, although one thing you might want to consider is something Psi-Jack suggested years ago: index it all into elasticsearch
2021-05-19 21:54:48	Henry151	phogg: oh boy, that sounds fun
2021-05-19 21:54:48	phogg	queries are way, way faster that way
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2021-05-19 21:55:13	phogg	I think he was actually using logstash, but anything along those lines would work
2021-05-19 21:56:05	phogg	even on SSDs when your log files start to be multiple GiB you start really noticing the grep time
2021-05-19 21:56:47	Henry151	i am looking for an excuse to practice with elasticsearch. Though when i mentioned elasticsearch to a coworker a few months ago saying "maybe we could use it for xyz" they said "yeah, or lucene"
2021-05-19 21:56:50	Sauvin	Henry151, Freenode is freaking MASSIVE. It's gonna take quite a while for its size to decline enough to matter.
2021-05-19 21:57:01	Henry151	and i haven't looked at lucene yet to see what it is or how it compares
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2021-05-19 21:57:57	Henry151	Sauvin: yeah but it looks like a substantial number of the most significant contributors, the folks volunteering their time and effort and providing so much to the community, are headed to libera
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2021-05-19 21:58:20	questi	Henry151: like who lol
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2021-05-19 21:58:47	questi	there are like max 10 people in linux who are active
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2021-05-19 21:59:10	Sauvin	questi, ##linux isn't Freenode, and it won't be Libera.
2021-05-19 21:59:11	kaneda	questi: most of the network staff, the same people who helped source the servers that freenode runs on, have bailed
2021-05-19 21:59:35	kaneda	so i'm not convinced freenode will continue to be able to SUPPORT a ##Linux sized channel without securing additional help
2021-05-19 21:59:35	questi	kaneda: servers were paid by korean guy for ages
2021-05-19 21:59:47	triceratux	questi: theres a bunch of nicks at the bottom of some of the documents https://mniip.com/freenode.txt
2021-05-19 21:59:58	kaneda	he certainly dumped money in questi, but not relationships or infra or maintenance
2021-05-19 21:59:59	triceratux	hes owned them since 2018
2021-05-19 22:00:10	kaneda	people have to do that, volunteers who have left
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2021-05-19 22:00:18	[R]	kaneda: is ##linux sized bigger than a breadbox?
2021-05-19 22:00:38	kaneda	[R]: ha|r| dee ha|r| ha|r|
2021-05-19 22:00:40	Sauvin	kaneda, Freenode's physical infrastructure won't change, I think, because of legal considerations (parse: "civil law")
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2021-05-19 22:00:50	phogg	Henry151: elastic and lucene serve different purposes. Internally elastic *uses* lucene.
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2021-05-19 22:01:23	phogg	questi: I have log stats that prove otherwise
2021-05-19 22:01:26	[R]	phogg: like the city in switzerland?
2021-05-19 22:01:28	sheep	a single ircd can support 10,000 users in one channel easily
2021-05-19 22:01:35	questi	sheep: yeppp
2021-05-19 22:01:37	phogg	questi: actual active users in ##linux are in the hundreds
2021-05-19 22:01:39	kaneda	Sauvin: i'm not sure, without figuring out who donated what here, and who is going to maintain what, and what the hell andrew's decentralization proposal is
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2021-05-19 22:02:02	questi	phogg: how many people talk in channel daily? under 20?
2021-05-19 22:02:10	questi	like core people
2021-05-19 22:02:11	phogg	questi: no, way more than that
2021-05-19 22:02:16	Sauvin	sheep, that depends on the server, the net connection and a few other things, but yeah, I think a Walmart computer might handle half a million clients without too much pain.
2021-05-19 22:02:26	phogg	questi: talk *at all* is lots, the most common still tops 100 most days
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2021-05-19 22:02:51	phogg	questi: I haven't computed stats recently. I'll dig up the scripts and get you some numbers some time, but too busy tonight
2021-05-19 22:03:06	Sauvin	kaneda, Lee's understading of Freenode staff structure is/was apparently clueless.
2021-05-19 22:03:07	Henry151	i mean 1600 people are already here and this libera news just hit what, 48 hours ago or something? not even
2021-05-19 22:03:17	kaneda	i don't think a single ircd can support 10000 users, a quick google says unrealircd can support 8000 (unless it runs on windows, then 1000, lol)
2021-05-19 22:03:17	[R]	Sauvin: there is a limit to the number of file descriptors
2021-05-19 22:03:22	[R]	Sauvin: half a million seems a bit much
2021-05-19 22:03:36	phogg	Henry151: it's more than that https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat
2021-05-19 22:03:41	kaneda	Sauvin: he bro'ed out hard, decided he owned things that aren't meant to be owned
2021-05-19 22:03:47	Henry151	phogg: i meant here in ##linux
2021-05-19 22:04:09	phogg	Henry151: transitions take time
2021-05-19 22:04:10	Sauvin	[R], any idea what that limit is?
2021-05-19 22:04:17	[R]	Sauvin: apparently i just found it
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2021-05-19 22:04:24	Sauvin	I believe it can be adjusted.
2021-05-19 22:04:24	[R]	cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
2021-05-19 22:04:24	[R]	9223372036854775807
2021-05-19 22:04:27	Henry151	if ~20 people per day were active in ##linux how do we have 1600 people that already saw the news and went "i better go join ##linux on libera"
2021-05-19 22:04:36	questi	i think also there are some onion ircs
2021-05-19 22:04:37	[R]	that's a bit bigger than i imagined
2021-05-19 22:04:38	Henry151	is all i'm sayin
2021-05-19 22:04:45	Sauvin	[R], I can't even SPELL that number! That's.... cracked up.
2021-05-19 22:04:48	[R]	looks like that's signed 64-bit
2021-05-19 22:04:51	kaneda	i mean, freenode is estimated at about 80-90K active users
2021-05-19 22:05:13	[R]	which seems odd that they would use a signed number
2021-05-19 22:05:13	Sauvin	Henry151, lots of idlers.
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2021-05-19 22:05:29	phogg	[R]: actual user limits will be based on ulimit -Hn, which may be much lower
2021-05-19 22:05:33	Henry151	Idlers are people too :)
2021-05-19 22:05:56	kaneda	in any case, andrew will have to find people to do the work of maintaining servers, making updates, etc.
2021-05-19 22:06:05	[R]	phogg: riht, but my initial statement was about hard system limits
2021-05-19 22:06:13	phogg	kaneda: netsplit.do currently counts it as 76k average for freenode
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2021-05-19 22:06:18	phogg	[R]: okay
2021-05-19 22:06:25	phogg	s/\.do/.de/
2021-05-19 22:06:29	kaneda	phogg: that's wiki's estimate, netsplit.de is probably closer
2021-05-19 22:06:35	[R]	i remember back in the early oh oh's... people tyring to configure ircds for more than 1024
2021-05-19 22:06:41	Sauvin	I was about to say: who the hell is .do !?
2021-05-19 22:06:43	questi	Henry151: its like people who sit in a loud club and watch people :P
2021-05-19 22:06:44	questi	lol
2021-05-19 22:06:50	[R]	when the type of networks there were running would never see 1024 users to begin with
2021-05-19 22:06:52	Henry151	i idle most of the time, but if you highlight my nick i'm here
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2021-05-19 22:07:15	kaneda	i'm offline 9 days out of 10, and of course the day i check back something nuts is going down
2021-05-19 22:07:17	rascul	.do is for dominican republic
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2021-05-19 22:08:34	 *	triceratux republicizes rasculs dominicans
2021-05-19 22:09:43	[R]	rascul: i went there once
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2021-05-19 22:10:16	questi	wel some nicks will be in this channel as far as server is on lol
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2021-05-19 22:12:02	smlavine	I also just found out that there is a Dominican Republic, and also a separate place called Dominica. Who'd a thunk it
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2021-05-19 22:13:32	questi	rascul: any cool onion ircs?
2021-05-19 22:13:41	questi	i found some chats
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2021-05-19 22:27:19	Khaytsus	Should +m the channel once the channel is "migrated".  Users can join, see topic, etc, but can't talk
2021-05-19 22:29:12	Sauvin	Khaytsus, I think we're more apt to just let people decide for themselves whether or not to move.
2021-05-19 22:29:25	jerware	The linux client to AD is winbind correct?
2021-05-19 22:29:30	Khaytsus	Seems like a mess, but up to you of course
2021-05-19 22:29:31	[R]	Khaytsus: you don't have to go home, but youcan't stay here
2021-05-19 22:29:39	Khaytsus	[R]: go drunk,  you're home
2021-05-19 22:29:43	c705	[R]: there is an impostor
2021-05-19 22:29:47	[R]	c705: haha
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2021-05-19 22:29:52	Sauvin	Khaytsus, it IS a mess, and it's going to be pretty damned sloppy for weeks or months.
2021-05-19 22:29:53	c705	on the new space
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2021-05-19 22:31:01	[R]	c705: ][_R_][ here is the guy who stole my nick
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2021-05-19 22:31:21	 *	Khaytsus lights the torches
2021-05-19 22:31:45	 *	[R] gives Khaytsus a pitchfork
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2021-05-19 22:34:27	Khaytsus	Why did nobody ever think of that
2021-05-19 22:34:52	kfrench	Pitch burns, afterall.
2021-05-19 22:34:53	ayecee	probably because they wanted to use the pitchforks again later
2021-05-19 22:35:21	c705	that bastard
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2021-05-19 22:54:02	ayecee	aww man. i don't want to have to use another irc network :P
2021-05-19 22:54:24	ripdisk	who knows what will happen
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2021-05-19 22:56:53	ayecee	i guess i don't actually have to, just can't chat with the ones that make the move then.
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2021-05-19 22:57:21	ayecee	could free up a lot of time
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2021-05-19 22:58:44	veek	what tool exists to filter out words that resemble dictionary words
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2021-05-19 22:59:04	ayecee	no tool exists with that specific purpose
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2021-05-19 22:59:45	[R]	what is "resemble"
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2021-05-19 23:00:00	[R]	and do you mean a list of words? or lines with multiple words?
2021-05-19 23:00:09	veek	Yoga3 yoga900 yolo3000
2021-05-19 23:00:25	[R]	you could probably write a program with cracklib
2021-05-19 23:00:29	[R]	but don't try to snort it
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2021-05-19 23:00:54	ayecee	voice of experience
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2021-05-19 23:01:38	veek	[R], i have the plaintext so no need to match hashes
2021-05-19 23:01:45	[R]	veek: thats not what cracklib is
2021-05-19 23:01:57	veek	sec checking
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2021-05-19 23:07:19	veek	sry, man I need a online tool - that would be easier
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2021-05-19 23:08:04	ayecee	sorry, not sry, please. they're picky about that here.
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2021-05-19 23:08:33	[R]	veek: well you're in ##linux...
2021-05-19 23:08:39	[R]	maybe you want to ask in #webtools
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2021-05-19 23:12:04	Wafficus	what's a good Linux distro that's on par with OpenBSD in terms of being security minded
2021-05-19 23:12:22	Wafficus	was debating rolling a VM on my home server when I get it up and running
2021-05-19 23:12:39	Wafficus	Security minded in the sense you can play around with different cyber security utilities *
2021-05-19 23:12:42	ayecee	on second thought maybe it is time for a change.
2021-05-19 23:13:09	Wafficus	I'm assuming people are gonna say ParrotOS or Kali, just wanted to confirm
2021-05-19 23:13:30	ayecee	parrotOS and kali are not in any way on par with openbsd.
2021-05-19 23:13:38	ayecee	they are not even remotely for the same purpose.
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2021-05-19 23:14:40	ayecee	it makes me think that you maybe don't know what openbsd is.
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2021-05-19 23:15:43	[R]	optical proprietary entertainment networking broadband super development?
2021-05-19 23:15:47	pnbeast	[R], you're a parrotbsdli.
2021-05-19 23:16:10	Sauvin	ParrotOS and Kali are pentesting distros. That does not imply security of any sort or to any degree.
2021-05-19 23:16:38	Wafficus	I know what OpenBSD is, no need to be rude ayecee
2021-05-19 23:16:51	ayecee	no, clearly you don't, and yes there is
2021-05-19 23:17:14	Wafficus	yeah I meant for pen testing really
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2021-05-19 23:17:37	Wafficus	so that's the better part of it. Breaking security... pen testing, pretty damn similar
2021-05-19 23:17:41	ayecee	openbsd is not for pentesting.
2021-05-19 23:17:49	Wafficus	anyway, whatever, typical response from you, so I'll pay attention to the other posts here
2021-05-19 23:17:57	[R]	ayecee: i think you need a piece of paper to test pens
2021-05-19 23:17:59	Wafficus	just mean spirited
2021-05-19 23:18:09	ayecee	have a kleenex
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2021-05-19 23:18:20	Wafficus	sad that you gotta bully people online
2021-05-19 23:18:26	Wafficus	but speaks leagues for your personality
2021-05-19 23:18:41	Sauvin	There was no bullying. You're just not hearing what he's really saying.
2021-05-19 23:18:44	ayecee	pot lecturing thekettle
2021-05-19 23:19:10	Wafficus	eh, there's nicer ways to put that. No need for any of that mean spirited bs
2021-05-19 23:19:16	Wafficus	its just not right
2021-05-19 23:19:18	Sauvin	ayecee, you preliterate baboon, it's: BLACK(pot, kettle)
2021-05-19 23:19:33	Sauvin	We're not all socially graced.
2021-05-19 23:19:39	Wafficus	clearly
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2021-05-19 23:19:56	ayecee	Wafficus: how would you express the sentiment in a way more conductive to your feelings, so that you grasp the error?
2021-05-19 23:20:13	ayecee	i can learn from your example
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2021-05-19 23:21:01	[R]	ayecee: like a man page?
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2021-05-19 23:23:45	ayecee	he gone. guess it was harder than it looked.
2021-05-19 23:24:29	[R]	that's what she said!
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2021-05-19 23:48:19	johnjay	whis whole debacle feels like some cheesy saturday morning cartoon
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2021-05-19 23:48:37	johnjay	like where the villain shows up and says hey your grandad loaned me a dollar and didn't pay it therefore i now own your company lol
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2021-05-19 23:51:15	urk	I would like some guidance on how to install Zoom Conference software.  I downloaded zoom_amd64.deb, and then ran the following command from the command line, but received an error "can't access archive, no such file or directory":   zoom_amd64.deb
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2021-05-19 23:51:36	Stonefruit	put ./ in front IIRC
2021-05-19 23:51:39	[R]	urk: what command did you run?
2021-05-19 23:51:41	urk	Meant to say I ran dpkg -i zoom_amd64.deb
2021-05-19 23:51:57	urk	sudo dpkg -i zoom_amd64.deb
2021-05-19 23:51:58	libera-ftw	urk: you need the full path to the file
2021-05-19 23:52:01	ayecee	run it in the directory you downloaded the file
2021-05-19 23:52:04	libera-ftw	^
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2021-05-19 23:52:33	Stonefruit	urk: try: sudo dpkg -i z./zoom_amd64.deb
2021-05-19 23:52:45	Stonefruit	without the extra random z :)
2021-05-19 23:52:56	urk	Stonefruit:  from the /Downloads directory?
2021-05-19 23:53:24	Stonefruit	from wherever the file is, so probably
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2021-05-19 23:57:32	urk	Stonefruit:  Ok, I got it installed.  I had the wrong path which is what caused the problem.  However, after installation there were a bunch of missing dependencies, but that has since been fixed.
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2021-05-19 23:58:03	urk	Well, need to scoot.  I have a very early appointment in the morning.  Thanks for all of your help.
2021-05-19 23:58:36	Stonefruit	urk: make sure to check the Zoom website sometimes for updates
2021-05-19 23:58:39	urk	Incidentally the correct command was sudo dpkg -i zoom_amd64.deb   And the correct path ended up being /Downloads/Software
2021-05-19 23:59:03	urk	Stonefruit:  Shouldn't the updates be in the repository or backports?
2021-05-19 23:59:23	ayecee	you didn't install from a repository
2021-05-19 23:59:26	ayecee	so, no
2021-05-19 23:59:57	urk	ayecee: Ok, thanks for the heads up.
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2021-05-20 00:02:07	urk	HOw far are we from getting Bullseye Release Candidate 2?
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2021-05-20 00:38:33	AnonAdAr	hey guys. im currently running kali linux i can get to a console but when i try to boot to gui with lighdm is goes out of range. any ways you think this could be fixed?
2021-05-20 00:39:40	paulcarroty	out of range?
2021-05-20 00:39:58	AnonAdAr	yeah i think it has to do with the refresh rate....
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2021-05-20 00:40:47	paulcarroty	ahh, 10+ years ago issue..
2021-05-20 00:41:19	AnonAdAr	lol yeah debian has always given me issues. ubuntu or redhat never had an issue....
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2021-05-20 00:41:43	AnonAdAr	i keep banging my head aguinst the wall trying to fix this....
2021-05-20 00:41:52	TJ-	AnonAdAr: is the monitor reporting a bad/incorrect EDID?
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2021-05-20 00:42:27	AnonAdAr	i don't think so...its vga connection and says the rate is out of range
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2021-05-20 00:43:30	TJ-	AnonAdAr: if it is possible, login to the GUI and leave it out of range. Use a separate SSH session to connect and then use xrandr to find out. You'll need to specify the DISPLAY though, e.g. "xrandr --display :0.0 -q"
2021-05-20 00:43:34	paulcarroty	can you login in Wayland session?
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2021-05-20 00:43:54	AnonAdAr	frequency out of range.
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2021-05-20 00:44:21	AnonAdAr	i can login through consle after hitting alt+f2
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2021-05-20 00:44:29	TJ-	AnonAdAr: using that you method you should also be able to set a correct mode that'll fix it, at least for that session, whilst you create a workaround
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2021-05-20 00:45:49	AnonAdAr	ive tried that xrandr and i think it couldn't find that command but let me try again
2021-05-20 00:46:40	TJ-	AnonAdAr: well, if kali doesn't include it you'd need to install it
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2021-05-20 00:47:15	TJ-	AnonAdAr: it should be in package x11-xserver-utils
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2021-05-20 00:48:13	AnonAdAr	it says "can't open  display"
2021-05-20 00:48:46	libera-ftw	AnonAdAr: try DISPLAY=:0 xrandr
2021-05-20 00:48:47	TJ-	AnonAdAr: so, possibly the GUI session is either not started or on another display
2021-05-20 00:48:49	paulcarroty	`echo $DISPLAY`
2021-05-20 00:48:50	libera-ftw	DISPLAY isn't set on console
2021-05-20 00:48:55	TJ-	paulcarroty: that won't work!
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2021-05-20 00:49:25	TJ-	AnonAdAr: check if the X server is actually running "ps -efly | grep Xorg"
2021-05-20 00:49:43	paulcarroty	it will if X is active
2021-05-20 00:49:58	TJ-	paulcarroty: no, it will not, DISPLAY is not set for console or SSH
2021-05-20 00:50:05	libera-ftw	you can do `ls -lah /tmp/.X11-unix` to find out which display it's on
2021-05-20 00:50:24	AnonAdAr	ok so it shows it is running
2021-05-20 00:50:25	TJ-	AnonAdAr: if you see the Xorg process on it's command-line you should see the display arg, something like ":0"
2021-05-20 00:50:30	AnonAdAr	under root
2021-05-20 00:50:41	TJ-	AnonAdAr: that'll be the greeter before user log-in
2021-05-20 00:50:56	TJ-	AnonAdAr: is the greeter / login showing?
2021-05-20 00:51:07	AnonAdAr	./usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
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2021-05-20 00:51:38	TJ-	AnonAdAr: OK, so do it as 'root': "sudo xrandr --display :0 -q"
2021-05-20 00:51:38	libera-ftw	yep that's lightdm
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2021-05-20 00:52:10	AnonAdAr	No protocol specified
2021-05-20 00:52:10	AnonAdAr	Can't open display :0
2021-05-20 00:52:44	TJ-	AnonAdAr: in the process report, what username is that process using (left column)? root or lightdm
2021-05-20 00:52:45	libera-ftw	sudo DISPLAY=:0 xrandr?
2021-05-20 00:52:56	AnonAdAr	root
2021-05-20 00:52:59	libera-ftw	actually no --display should work
2021-05-20 00:53:14	TJ-	needs to be told where the Xauthority is
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2021-05-20 00:53:44	libera-ftw	AnonAdAr: which graphics drivers are you using?
2021-05-20 00:53:48	libera-ftw	also graphics card pls
2021-05-20 00:53:54	libera-ftw	did you edit Xorg.conf yourself?
2021-05-20 00:53:55	TJ-	AnonAdAr: check "sudo find /var/run/lightdm -ls" - look for an .Xauthority
2021-05-20 00:54:02	AnonAdAr	no its all default conf
2021-05-20 00:54:16	libera-ftw	are you using nvidia?
2021-05-20 00:54:23	libera-ftw	if so check lsmod | grep -i nouveau
2021-05-20 00:54:26	AnonAdAr	not sure on graphics its intel xeon server board so im assuming nvida
2021-05-20 00:54:42	paulcarroty	lol
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2021-05-20 00:55:02	AnonAdAr	      739      0 drwx--x--x   3 root     root           60 May 20 00:22 /var/run/lightdm
2021-05-20 00:55:02	AnonAdAr	      741      0 drwx------   2 root     root           60 May 20 00:22 /var/run/lightdm/root
2021-05-20 00:55:02	AnonAdAr	      742      4 -rw-------   1 root     root           56 May 20 00:22 /var/run/lightdm/root/:0
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2021-05-20 00:55:45	libera-ftw	AnonAdAr: lsmod | grep -i nouveau    if you could
2021-05-20 00:56:03	AnonAdAr	just did that it didn't output anything
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2021-05-20 00:56:11	libera-ftw	ok so you're not using nouveau
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2021-05-20 00:56:20	libera-ftw	i'm not sure then :(
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2021-05-20 00:56:35	TJ-	AnonAdAr: looks like it may be under /tmp/ try this: "sudo find /tmp -name .Xauthority -ls"
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2021-05-20 00:56:56	libera-ftw	out of curiosity, which distro are you using?
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2021-05-20 00:57:05	paulcarroty	`lscpi | grep -i graphics`
2021-05-20 00:57:06	AnonAdAr	TJ- no output
2021-05-20 00:57:15	AnonAdAr	the latest kali linux
2021-05-20 00:57:17	paulcarroty	*lspci
2021-05-20 00:57:20	libera-ftw	oh kali
2021-05-20 00:57:23	budlight	glxinfo
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2021-05-20 00:57:27	libera-ftw	kali still uses lightdm?
2021-05-20 00:57:39	TJ-	if you can find it, you can set an environment variable asin "sudo XAUTHORITY=/path/to/.Xauthority xrandr --display :0 -q"
2021-05-20 00:57:40	AnonAdAr	i guess so lol
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2021-05-20 00:57:56	TJ-	AnonAdAr:maybe it is under /var somewhere!
2021-05-20 00:58:10	libera-ftw	[21:51:07] <AnonAdAr> ./usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 -seat seat0 -auth /var/run/lightdm/root/:0 -nolisten tcp vt7 -novtswitch
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2021-05-20 00:58:21	libera-ftw	perhaps try sudo XAUTHORITY=/var/run/lightdm/root/:0 xrandr --display :0 ?
2021-05-20 00:58:27	TJ-	Yes ^^
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2021-05-20 00:58:36	TJ-	typical, they change name on us!
2021-05-20 00:59:02	AnonAdAr	ok
2021-05-20 00:59:09	AnonAdAr	this might kick me out for flooding lol
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2021-05-20 00:59:17	TJ-	NO
2021-05-20 00:59:23	libera-ftw	DO NOT
2021-05-20 00:59:23	TJ-	AnonAdAr: Pastebin
2021-05-20 00:59:27	libera-ftw	do you have access to pastebin
2021-05-20 00:59:39	AnonAdAr	never heard of it
2021-05-20 00:59:45	TJ-	AnonAdAr: did you get a report then?
2021-05-20 00:59:46	libera-ftw	or any pastebin at all
2021-05-20 00:59:58	AnonAdAr	i can past a few lines at a time.. its only 7 lines.
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2021-05-20 01:00:05	AnonAdAr	yes i did
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2021-05-20 01:00:06	libera-ftw	it should say something like DP-2 connected primary 2560x1440+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 699mm x 393mm
2021-05-20 01:00:08	libera-ftw	what does it say
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2021-05-20 01:00:31	TJ-	AnonAdAr: do this: sudo XAUTHORITY=/var/run/lightdm/root/:0 xrandr --display :0 | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-05-20 01:00:37	libera-ftw	he may not have internet
2021-05-20 01:00:38	TJ-	AnonAdAr: then give us the URL it provides
2021-05-20 01:00:38	AnonAdAr	xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
2021-05-20 01:00:39	AnonAdAr	Screen 0: minimum 512 x 384, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1280 x 1024
2021-05-20 01:00:39	AnonAdAr	default connected 1280x1024+0+0 0mm x 0mm
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2021-05-20 01:01:06	libera-ftw	which graphics driver are you using?
2021-05-20 01:01:09	AnonAdAr	   1280x1024      0.00*
2021-05-20 01:01:09	AnonAdAr	   1024x768       0.00
2021-05-20 01:01:09	AnonAdAr	   800x600        0.00
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2021-05-20 01:01:22	libera-ftw	can you do lspci | grep -i vga
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2021-05-20 01:01:28	TJ-	AnonAdAr: yes, broken modelines, sp possibly EDID bad
2021-05-20 01:01:40	libera-ftw	^
2021-05-20 01:01:46	TJ-	AnonAdAr: those look like standard (driver internal) SVGA modelines
2021-05-20 01:01:53	AnonAdAr	01:0c.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Rage 3 [Rage XL PCI] (rev 27)
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2021-05-20 01:02:26	TJ-	AnonAdAr: what is the monitor capable of? We can set it manually
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2021-05-20 01:02:36	AnonAdAr	800x600 its a old monitor....
2021-05-20 01:02:53	waveclaw	but a useful resolution for small screenshots
2021-05-20 01:03:14	AnonAdAr	haha yes!
2021-05-20 01:03:16	ayecee	how old
2021-05-20 01:03:34	TJ-	AnonAdAr: OK, so possibly this: sudo XAUTHORITY=/var/run/lightdm/root/:0 xrandr --display :0 --mode 800x600 --rate 60
2021-05-20 01:03:45	AnonAdAr	i mean its a flat screen vga connection...its not like that old school box monitor
2021-05-20 01:04:04	TJ-	actually no, I forgot to put in the --output!
2021-05-20 01:04:13	ayecee	i don't follow. what kind of monitor is connected?
2021-05-20 01:04:22	TJ-	AnonAdAr: OK, so possibly this: sudo XAUTHORITY=/var/run/lightdm/root/:0 xrandr --display :0 --output default  --mode 800x600 --rate 60
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2021-05-20 01:04:51	AnonAdAr	No protocol specified
2021-05-20 01:04:52	AnonAdAr	Can't open display :0
2021-05-20 01:05:59	TJ-	AnonAdAr: did you copy/paste the command or type it manually? since the earlier commands worked this should have not reported those errors
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2021-05-20 01:06:27	AnonAdAr	ayecee its an XEROX
2021-05-20 01:06:40	AnonAdAr	i copied and pasted it...
2021-05-20 01:06:48	AnonAdAr	im lazy i find the easiest route lol
2021-05-20 01:07:00	libera-ftw	maybe xorg died
2021-05-20 01:07:05	TJ-	AnonAdAr: so if there were mistakes in the command they would be mine!
2021-05-20 01:07:15	ayecee	AnonAdAr: what model
2021-05-20 01:07:15	TJ-	libera-ftw: hmmm, yeah, good point
2021-05-20 01:07:22	AnonAdAr	correct
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2021-05-20 01:08:10	loganlee	have any of you guys used xerox star in real life?
2021-05-20 01:08:19	loganlee	it's really impressive for the time
2021-05-20 01:08:21	ayecee	what is xerox star
2021-05-20 01:08:28	TJ-	AnonAdAr: does "pgrep Xorg" report the process ID still?
2021-05-20 01:08:41	quackyhapp	loganlee: no, but I've looked at time online a lot.
2021-05-20 01:08:45	AnonAdAr	ayecee says model number 900w
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2021-05-20 01:09:06	ayecee	19" lcd monitor?
2021-05-20 01:09:27	AnonAdAr	TJ- 614
2021-05-20 01:09:34	AnonAdAr	ayecee 17inch
2021-05-20 01:09:52	TJ-	AnonAdAr: so it is still running
2021-05-20 01:10:02	AnonAdAr	yep seems to be
2021-05-20 01:10:05	loganlee	ayecee: it's like a graphical office computer for the 80s
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2021-05-20 01:10:19	AnonAdAr	loganlee exactly lol
2021-05-20 01:10:30	AnonAdAr	it actually came from hhgreg
2021-05-20 01:10:30	loganlee	it had the mouse and desktop and icons and networking
2021-05-20 01:11:14	ayecee	AnonAdAr: i can't find a 17" 900w monitor
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2021-05-20 01:12:04	ayecee	probably doesn't matter, was just going to find specs to see what kind of modes would be "out of range"
2021-05-20 01:12:25	AnonAdAr	i think the refresh rate was like 87hz
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2021-05-20 01:12:32	AnonAdAr	im pretty sure it should be 60hz
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2021-05-20 01:12:46	ayecee	based on what
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2021-05-20 01:13:50	AnonAdAr	just based off when i ran it on ubuntu and it worked...
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2021-05-20 01:14:00	AnonAdAr	ubuntu never had this issue
2021-05-20 01:14:08	TJ-	AnonAdAr: now you tell us!
2021-05-20 01:14:12	AnonAdAr	debian is a pain in my ass
2021-05-20 01:14:15	libera-ftw	i mean you can get most of what you get in kali ni ubuntu
2021-05-20 01:14:21	TJ-	So it's a Kali issue, not hardware
2021-05-20 01:14:30	AnonAdAr	TJ- ill go with that lol
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2021-05-20 01:14:52	TJ-	I get to ask a Question now!
2021-05-20 01:14:59	AnonAdAr	shoot...
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2021-05-20 01:16:01	AnonAdAr	if its like why don't i just stick with ubuntu...my answer is im stubborn and i want this to work now that it don't lol
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2021-05-20 01:16:27	TJ-	BTRFS. Using it for container images (systemd-nspawn). Used mkosi to create a base 'template'. If I snapshot 'template' to make an 'instance' image I can further use as runnable container, is that a bad use od a subvolume snapshot, or are snapshots really like forks in that you can further develop either branch (original or snapshot)
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2021-05-20 01:17:01	TJ-	Idea is to keep 'template' pristine and read-only
2021-05-20 01:17:27	AnonAdAr	TJ- you went about 10 levels above my head man
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2021-05-20 01:17:33	TJ-	most discussion of snapshots is for a roll-back scenario
2021-05-20 01:17:40	TJ-	oops :)
2021-05-20 01:17:58	ayecee	AnonAdAr: eh, that's fine as long as you don't expect us to be stubborn about getting it working too ;)
2021-05-20 01:18:02	AnonAdAr	<--- still a student of the ganme hahah
2021-05-20 01:18:15	AnonAdAr	hey i just appreciate any help at all!
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2021-05-20 01:18:25	TJ-	I cannot see any reasons why not but there may be some unkown-to-me downsides to this approach (but there is no more aptly named 'clone' operation)
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2021-05-20 01:19:00	famubu	Hi. In w3m web browser, does anyone know the default shortcut to open a new link (as in a link that I copied from somewhere else) in a new tab?
2021-05-20 01:19:04	ayecee	TJ-: makes sense to me
2021-05-20 01:19:27	ayecee	TJ-: btrfs snapshots are kind of unusual. snapshots are read-only most places you find them.
2021-05-20 01:19:28	TJ-	ayecee: thanks, I didn't want to start down a path to shoot myself in the foot later
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2021-05-20 01:20:36	TJ-	ayecee: interesting you say that, since by default snapshots are read-write and need to pass "-r" to make them read-only
2021-05-20 01:20:44	ayecee	yup
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2021-05-20 01:21:02	AnonAdAr	TJ-, Ayecce thank you for your help.
2021-05-20 01:21:24	ayecee	:)
2021-05-20 01:21:24	TJ-	It's all CoW so my scenerio should be OK. My concern was more about if the btrfs tooling is skewed towards the rollback case and I might end up stranded later :)
2021-05-20 01:21:32	sunyibo	when I use rtorrent without a config file it works. When I use the default config file https://github.com/rakshasa/rtorrent/wiki/CONFIG-Template , it doesn't. I would like a configuration that "remembers" my torrents when I quit the program. How can I find out what's bugging?
2021-05-20 01:22:24	ayecee	normally by reading the error messages when it doesn't work
2021-05-20 01:22:28	kuhilas[m]	I'm looking for a tool to multiplayer edit some text or sheet files and not needing to rely on server, are there any? So I guess it would be like p2p and syncing
2021-05-20 01:22:43	superkuh	TJ-, I did not complete your instructions yet. I have learned how to set up and do the chroot stuff though. I also discovered I can't boot off my nvme drive in BIOS/csm mode. So it's kind of all for nothing unless I install grub on a different sata hard drive. Regardless, your help was essential with me figuring out what to do.
2021-05-20 01:22:59	kuhilas[m]	and I mean by editing them as seeing the edit history in the UI like google sheets
2021-05-20 01:23:11	superkuh	re: weird MBR boot-list in the middle of my ext4 partition thing you helped with.
2021-05-20 01:23:13	kuhilas[m]	and who edited what
2021-05-20 01:23:29	TJ-	superkuh: oh, that's annoying after all that!
2021-05-20 01:24:08	TJ-	superkuh: presumably that is a limitation of the firmware's CSM implementation not exposing non SATA devices
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2021-05-20 01:25:00	sunyibo	ayecee: there are no error messages, when I load the config file and a torrent, it just doesn't start downloading
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2021-05-20 01:25:24	TJ-	superkuh: should be able to convert it to boot in UEFI mode, assuming there is an EFI system partition or you can add one.
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2021-05-20 01:25:37	superkuh	Yes, now that I have a video card that supports UEFI I can.
2021-05-20 01:25:43	superkuh	I probably will.
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2021-05-20 01:29:16	TJ-	So, back to BTRFS, how does one (easily) snapshot/clone an entire subvolume that has its own subvolumes :S looks like the standard tooling doesn't/cannot do that
2021-05-20 01:29:38	c705	TJ-: subvolume a subvolume?
2021-05-20 01:29:54	c705	you tried btrfs subvol snapshot x y?
2021-05-20 01:31:00	TJ-	c705: mkosi builds type 'subvolume' rootfs images with several subvols inside /home /srv /var /var/tmp /var/lib/machines
2021-05-20 01:31:43	TJ-	c705: yes, been testing. the snapshot only contains the parent subvolume
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2021-05-20 01:33:49	TJ-	c705: if using systemd-nspawn with --template /var/lib/machines/template --machine my_instance ...  (which for current manual experimentation I can't) it does this 'deep clone' to create the new clone of the template and its subvolumes
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2021-05-20 01:35:17	TJ-	c705: actually, what am I on about!? Of course I can use systemd-nspawn to create the instance, then stop that machine and work on its file-system - duh!
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2021-05-20 01:50:59	Sauvin	Dunno about "quick and easy"; Google says blender can do that.
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2021-05-20 02:03:56	acresearch	akoana: meshlab does not take .ply files
2021-05-20 02:05:14	akoana	hmm, then https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MeshLab seems to be wrong
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2021-05-20 02:05:22	Nickwiz	I have used ply files in meshlab
2021-05-20 02:05:27	acresearch	Sauvin: hmmm i cannot install blender,,, for some reason it fails from apt
2021-05-20 02:06:01	acresearch	Nickwiz: ah ok i can open .ply from the terminal
2021-05-20 02:06:08	akoana	Nickwiz: I think i did that too...
2021-05-20 02:06:10	acresearch	that is good enough for me, thanks :-)
2021-05-20 02:06:26	Sauvin	acresearch, with what error does it bail?
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2021-05-20 02:06:41	Dr_Coke	Hi Sauvin
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2021-05-20 02:07:06	acresearch	Sauvin: some archive error from a URL,    but it is ok   meshal is ok :-)
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2021-05-20 02:09:07	Sauvin	Well, if you got what you need, then you win!
2021-05-20 02:09:13	Sauvin	Hey, Dr_Coke !
2021-05-20 02:09:47	Dr_Coke	Sauvin, what's new
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2021-05-20 02:10:07	Sauvin	Jeebs Aitch, man, where do I start with the bad?
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2021-05-20 02:13:21	Dr_Coke	oh
2021-05-20 02:13:39	Dr_Coke	Yeah life's pretty crap at this point in time
2021-05-20 02:13:54	c705	Dr_Coke: heard that
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2021-05-20 02:24:08	rindolf	hi all! sup?
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2021-05-20 02:25:20	loganlee	hi rin
2021-05-20 02:25:22	loganlee	hi rindolf
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2021-05-20 02:32:45	pikapika	Has anyone used AWS here?
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2021-05-20 02:33:21	loganlee	pikapika: yes i use AWS for mongodb atlas
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2021-05-20 02:33:51	rindolf	yet another freenode fork? OFTC was not enough?
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2021-05-20 02:33:55	pikapika	loganlee, does it have a fixed payment plan? That is service is just dropped when a certain amount of bill is exceeded instead of just keeping on accumulating a large bill?
2021-05-20 02:34:04	pikapika	Hi rindolf
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2021-05-20 02:34:10	rindolf	loganlee: hi, sup?
2021-05-20 02:34:13	loganlee	pikapika: i use free version of mongodb atlas
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2021-05-20 02:34:27	rindolf	pikapika: sup?
2021-05-20 02:34:30	pikapika	Hi
2021-05-20 02:34:34	loganlee	hi rindolf
2021-05-20 02:34:39	pikapika	loganlee, I thought free was limited to only 12 months
2021-05-20 02:35:03	rindolf	how are you two doing?
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2021-05-20 02:35:54	loganlee	rindolf: enjoying my ubuntu main pc as always
2021-05-20 02:36:07	loganlee	so glad i got rid of win10
2021-05-20 02:36:10	rindolf	loganlee: ah, nice
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2021-05-20 02:37:42	rindolf	loganlee: win10 ; lose 1000: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/starved_of_employees.xhtml
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2021-05-20 02:39:53	rindolf	loganlee: i run debian testing here; not the mmost integrated distro, but the xfce desktop is very stable and fast
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2021-05-20 02:40:47	loganlee	rindolf: nice
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2021-05-20 02:42:00	pikapika	rindolf, do you have experience with aws
2021-05-20 02:42:02	pikapika	or any similar service that gives you a root linux
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2021-05-20 02:42:38	loganlee	pikapika: i got a vps from godaddy it runs linux distro
2021-05-20 02:42:58	loganlee	i have root access
2021-05-20 02:43:18	rindolf	pikapika: very little: https://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/charts/fc-pro--4fc-deals-solvability--report/
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2021-05-20 02:44:16	rindolf	pikapika: only used an aws node to have 256 GB of RAM
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2021-05-20 02:44:55	pikapika	How much did godaddy cost
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2021-05-20 02:45:27	loganlee	pikapika: https://au.godaddy.com/hosting/vps-hosting
2021-05-20 02:45:42	pikapika	Oh ok
2021-05-20 02:45:46	pikapika	I won't be needing a compute type node
2021-05-20 02:46:13	pikapika	Thanks
2021-05-20 02:46:21	loganlee	:D
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2021-05-20 02:46:27	pikapika	loganlee, did you get a fresh linux with root level access?
2021-05-20 02:46:33	loganlee	yes
2021-05-20 02:46:33	pikapika	ie you are free to install and configure anything as you wish
2021-05-20 02:46:37	loganlee	yes
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2021-05-20 02:48:36	ad__	hi, in the case one wants to remove pulseaudio, what alternative are you suggesting ?
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2021-05-20 02:49:13	wigums	straight alsa
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2021-05-20 02:49:38	ad__	wigums, thanks, giung to that. And jack ?
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2021-05-20 02:56:43	rouji	alsa + jack can be a pretty good setup but is a pain to get working right
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2021-05-20 02:58:10	ad__	rouji, ok. I see that some apps will not work with plain alsa, seems, as skype
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2021-05-20 02:58:55	ad__	i want to remove all major redhat sutff from this pc, read will be hard, i knoiw
2021-05-20 02:59:06	ad__	*road
2021-05-20 02:59:15	sheep	there is pipewire too if you want a mostly drop-in replacement for pulseaudio
2021-05-20 02:59:52	rouji	and apulse
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2021-05-20 03:00:13	rouji	why remove redhat stuff?
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2021-05-20 03:00:36	ad__	personal reasons, not technical
2021-05-20 03:00:49	ad__	oh, thanks for apulse hint :)
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2021-05-20 03:01:10	sheep	you're likely going to cause more problems than you're going to solve by moving away from RH things
2021-05-20 03:01:17	rouji	software and code isn't a person though
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2021-05-20 03:01:31	sheep	I tried something similar back in 2010 and it did not go well
2021-05-20 03:01:46	sheep	though that was before any distros were using systemd and back when pulseaudio wasn't fully mature
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2021-05-20 03:02:16	ad__	as well as you can decide to avoid m$ stuff, you can also decide to avoid redhat, why not.
2021-05-20 03:02:18	rouji	I understand getting rid of pulse, but that's for purely technical reasons
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2021-05-20 03:02:45	rouji	I don't really care who writes the code as long as it's good :shrug:
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2021-05-20 03:03:18	ad__	well don't think discuss personal things is of any use, and not doing any campaign here. I know,. solution will be a compromise, this is clear.
2021-05-20 03:03:53	Sauvin	If you want to get rid of RH stuff, first step is to install a different distro.
2021-05-20 03:04:01	ad__	will see if it stays up
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2021-05-20 03:05:01	ad__	Sauvin, yes, likely.
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2021-05-20 03:05:10	rouji	probably a lot of redhat in the kernel too
2021-05-20 03:05:17	rouji	might want to look at bsd?
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2021-05-20 03:06:40	loganlee	did microsoft ever contribute to linux kernel?
2021-05-20 03:06:45	ad__	the kernel is an open community, where i am contributing with over 40 patches. and red hat code is checked, sometime rejectedm, as all the code.
2021-05-20 03:06:45	Guest20	what is the difference between ssh -t -t and and ssh -t
2021-05-20 03:06:48	loganlee	(curious)
2021-05-20 03:07:25	sheep	they contributed a handful of things including Hyper-V suppoer
2021-05-20 03:07:40	rouji	isn't all the redhat stuff in your typical linux distro entirely open source?
2021-05-20 03:07:41	loganlee	Multiple -t options force tty allocation, even if ssh has no local tty.
2021-05-20 03:07:45	loganlee	from manpage
2021-05-20 03:08:07	ad__	also windows is handful, or whatsapp. world is nice until ppl think differently.
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2021-05-20 03:08:27	loganlee	sheep: ok cool thanks!
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2021-05-20 03:08:54	raxor2k	 I have an backendAPI and a frontendAPI whereas the frontendAPI needs the backendAPI to run the webapplication. Should i still have both API in the same repository in github? im so unsure about this
2021-05-20 03:09:13	raxor2k	or have the frontendwebapp in a repository for itself?
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2021-05-20 03:09:57	Prestige	I usually would keep them separated.. but what do you mean by 'api' here?
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2021-05-20 03:10:30	Prestige	If there's shared code, I typically created a repo that both the front and back ends depend on
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2021-05-20 03:23:20	raxor2k	prestige: the backendAPI is a nodejs restapi, which is independent of other things, and can be used from all different kind of platforms. The frontend webapp(react), is not useful if the backendAPI is not up and running. Thats just it
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2021-05-20 03:27:47	Prestige	in that case keep them separate if there's no code overlap
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2021-05-20 03:30:10	Prestige	and run the server when you need to test the web u
2021-05-20 03:30:14	Prestige	web ui*
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2021-05-20 03:30:45	ychaouche	hey ##linux
2021-05-20 03:30:54	loganlee	hey ychaouche
2021-05-20 03:31:03	ychaouche	I have a permission error when trying to mount a cifs share
2021-05-20 03:31:06	ychaouche	trace : https://gist.githubusercontent.com/ychaouche/db832e3b85c529ca0f3f8a8ad2f16d68/raw/24c0db2e4ea2d24f3c8fcf315ded34e356b57bed/gistfile1.txt
2021-05-20 03:31:22	ychaouche	I tried same credentials from a file manager I could access the share w/o any problem
2021-05-20 03:31:49	ychaouche	How do I go about troubleshooting that ?
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2021-05-20 03:32:15	godSend23	hey all
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2021-05-20 03:33:02	loganlee	hey godSend23
2021-05-20 03:33:08	ychaouche	I added strace output here : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/db832e3b85c529ca0f3f8a8ad2f16d68
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2021-05-20 03:33:24	sheep	is mount not expanding ~ as $HOME?
2021-05-20 03:33:25	godSend23	hi loganlee
2021-05-20 03:33:46	ychaouche	it's just one line I could have pasted it here anyway...
2021-05-20 03:33:48	ychaouche	[pid 20069] mount("//192.168.100.150/ftp-echanges/legislatives2021", ".", "cifs", 0, "ip=192.168.100.150,unc=\\\\192.168.100.150\\ftp-echanges,user=cloud,domain=eprs.dz ,prefixpath=legislatives2021,pass=*****") = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
2021-05-20 03:34:11	sheep	are you using the same user and domain in the graphical client?
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2021-05-20 03:34:37	godSend23	from personal experience: is there a linux distro(s) that rivals the mac or better in terms of simplicity and security?
2021-05-20 03:34:52	godSend23	*both aspects
2021-05-20 03:35:01	ychaouche	sheep: yes, and the fact that the credentials are in the strace line means it could get the credentials file, so "~" was correctly expanded (by bash, before it got to mount)
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2021-05-20 03:35:37	ychaouche	godSend23: simplcity, security : choose one.
2021-05-20 03:35:46	godSend23	wow, ok
2021-05-20 03:36:00	ychaouche	godSend23: for security there's Qubes OS which is really awesome.
2021-05-20 03:36:16	godSend23	learning curve?
2021-05-20 03:36:36	ychaouche	godSend23: every application is run in a very light VM, so if that app is compromised, it only has access to the apps file, not your files or other system files
2021-05-20 03:36:39	Sauvin	Macs are secure?
2021-05-20 03:37:01	godSend23	wow nice; compartmentalized
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2021-05-20 03:37:14	godSend23	sauvin :p
2021-05-20 03:37:25	godSend23	no viruses on there yet
2021-05-20 03:37:35	ychaouche	godSend23: even for a single app, like for example thunderbird, you can have thunderbird open an attachment (like .doc) in another light VM. So even if that .doc attachment is malware, it can only access the empty VM files, not thunderbird, not your files, not system files.
2021-05-20 03:37:43	godSend23	esp. M1 chip => too secure, can't instally any legacy or boot from usb
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2021-05-20 03:38:17	godSend23	how computer resource intensive would this be and seamless/fluid?
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2021-05-20 03:38:40	ychaouche	very light because they're not full-blown VMs. Something more like containers of some sort.
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2021-05-20 03:39:41	godSend23	oh alright
2021-05-20 03:40:02	ychaouche	you can watch if you like : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4U8YbXKwog
2021-05-20 03:40:13	godSend23	what about gui that's not all looks and bloated but functionally superior to mac?
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2021-05-20 03:40:34	ychaouche	no, very poor GUI
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2021-05-20 03:40:43	ychaouche	compared to mac that is
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2021-05-20 03:41:06	godSend23	ty for the link
2021-05-20 03:41:11	godSend23	hmm
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2021-05-20 03:42:11	godSend23	even ubuntu's gui sucks compared to mac?
2021-05-20 03:42:35	ychaouche	godSend23: that's different. You can choose between a lot of "desktops"
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2021-05-20 03:42:41	ychaouche	each desktop looks different
2021-05-20 03:42:50	ychaouche	I like KDE Plasma, but everyone has its own taste
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2021-05-20 03:43:05	godSend23	wait, did i use the wrong concept?
2021-05-20 03:43:39	ychaouche	there are also very beautifully crafted Enlightenment themes, with skull heads on windows and all :p
2021-05-20 03:43:53	loganlee	did apple ever contribute to linux kernel?
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2021-05-20 03:44:09	ychaouche	unlikely, they use a BSD kernel
2021-05-20 03:44:16	Sauvin	I think it's going to be hard to approach a Mac for UI. Apple expended enormous resources on it.
2021-05-20 03:44:19	loganlee	ok cool
2021-05-20 03:44:20	godSend23	i mean when i use mac, i just feel like it's so stable elegant
2021-05-20 03:44:24	godSend23	compard to windows
2021-05-20 03:44:32	godSend23	like it's rock solid
2021-05-20 03:44:38	Sauvin	But Macs, I  assure you, are very far from "stable".
2021-05-20 03:44:47	ychaouche	godSend23: there's a desktop that looks slightly like mac it's called elementary
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2021-05-20 03:44:56	godSend23	i believe u sauvin then, which would u personally recommend
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2021-05-20 03:45:26	Sauvin	That would be "you", not "u".
2021-05-20 03:45:36	Sauvin	I personally use Kubuntu.
2021-05-20 03:45:49	godSend23	it's shorthand
2021-05-20 03:46:00	Sauvin	It's SMS and not permitted in this channel.
2021-05-20 03:46:06	godSend23	ty ychaouche , let me check out elementary
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2021-05-20 03:46:15	ychaouche	godSend23: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmbIfA4wiuA
2021-05-20 03:46:19	godSend23	oops ok
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2021-05-20 03:46:57	godSend23	w/ " expended enormous resources on it", all they came up w/ is dark mode
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2021-05-20 03:47:46	godSend23	Kubuntu vs. Qubes then :)
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2021-05-20 03:48:41	ychaouche	btw you can test drive a distro online before giving it a go : https://distrotest.net/index.php
2021-05-20 03:48:43	Sauvin	I think Qubes has a different problem space. I'm on a personal computer, so I'm using a personal OS.
2021-05-20 03:48:45	godSend23	wow ur right, it's very mac -like
2021-05-20 03:48:55	godSend23	but w/ linux' security
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2021-05-20 03:49:02	godSend23	underneath
2021-05-20 03:49:03	Sauvin	That would be "you're",not "ur", and "with", not "w/".
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2021-05-20 03:50:48	godSend23	what prob space kubuntu address?
2021-05-20 03:50:51	godSend23	vs. qubes
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2021-05-20 03:51:35	abique	Hi
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2021-05-20 03:52:28	abique	I wonder if there is a way appart locking a mutex to immediately schedule a given thread (or yield to a given thread) on Linux?
2021-05-20 03:53:48	abique	My use case is: Process A produces a task, Process B reads the task and processes it, produces the result, Process A reads the result
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2021-05-20 03:55:30	abique	We were using pipes for that but the issue is that when you write to a pipe it does not schedule the reader immediately but puts it into a wake_up_queue and schedules it later. In my case I'd like to immediately yield to the given process
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2021-05-20 03:57:15	ychaouche	abique: better luck in ##programming ?
2021-05-20 03:57:54	abique	ychaouche, it is linux specific though
2021-05-20 03:58:04	abique	but yes I can try there
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2021-05-20 03:58:19	ychaouche	abique: unless it is not about a programming issue
2021-05-20 03:58:22	ychaouche	maybe I read you wrong
2021-05-20 03:58:42	ychaouche	you seem to be just looking for alternatives to pipes ?
2021-05-20 03:59:10	abique	Yes but only because of how the linux kernel schedules the reader
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2021-05-20 03:59:24	abique	On windows and osx we don't have the issue
2021-05-20 03:59:51	ychaouche	I wonder if this can be changed with nice command
2021-05-20 04:00:08	ychaouche	or change something in /proc/ for those particular processes
2021-05-20 04:00:09	abique	My question is how on Linux can I yield the execution to a given thread immediately?
2021-05-20 04:00:55	godSend23	man i hope linux doesn't get this cmplex
2021-05-20 04:00:58	abique	I know that if I lock a mutex that is already locked it does the trick, but i'd prefer to not use a mutex
2021-05-20 04:01:02	godSend23	this is my first intro to it
2021-05-20 04:01:16	godSend23	what abique is saying is over my head
2021-05-20 04:01:17	ychaouche	That would be tweaking the task scheduler, right .
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2021-05-20 04:01:53	ychaouche	godSend23: that's system-level for professionnals, don't worry :)
2021-05-20 04:02:30	ychaouche	it's like, you don't have to be a mechanic to drive a car
2021-05-20 04:02:33	godSend23	whew... ok, at least there's that option if need be
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2021-05-20 04:02:44	ychaouche	but if you're a mechanic then you can do stuff
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2021-05-20 04:02:52	godSend23	i don't think any other OS rivals linux when it comes to that... maybe mac w/ terminal?
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2021-05-20 04:03:28	godSend23	and even then apple closes its' users off to certain settings
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2021-05-20 04:04:01	ychaouche	or SunOS / Solaris. It also hase some pretty good features. Some of them are copied to linux, with more or less compatibility.
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2021-05-20 04:04:37	godSend23	oh man that's vintage
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2021-05-20 04:06:07	godSend23	the only issue i see if i try, is the drivers for popular hardware being sold
2021-05-20 04:06:19	godSend23	how can that be address?
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2021-05-20 04:06:55	zothix	Hi, i have server running on debain 9 strech, i was thinking of updating it to debain 10, so far i know i can update it with changing my /etc/apt/sources.list records, but i think it would cause problems for my already existing packages, as debain 9 runs on python version 2 and buster runs on python version 3, what do you guys use as a best approach to update server OS
2021-05-20 04:07:25	ychaouche	regarding my cifs mount problem, got some interesting lines in syslog : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/db832e3b85c529ca0f3f8a8ad2f16d68
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2021-05-20 04:08:32	ychaouche	godSend23: that's a common weakness of the linux desktop, especially nvidia graphic cards, although it's getting better, but not completely stable accross all distros.
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2021-05-20 04:09:10	ychaouche	Best distro for that would be Mint, or Ubuntu.
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2021-05-20 04:09:29	godSend23	hmm ok
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2021-05-20 04:10:13	ychaouche	Ubuntu did a good job (put money) in partnerships with hardware manufacturers. From memory, we didn't have linux shipped PCs before Ubuntu.
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2021-05-20 04:10:34	ychaouche	but I might be corrected
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2021-05-20 04:11:18	godSend23	so why use linux given this huge blindspot?
2021-05-20 04:11:34	godSend23	in terms of compatibility hdware wise
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2021-05-20 04:14:42	ychaouche	godSend23: linux on desktops isn't as popular as linux on servers where it really shines
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2021-05-20 04:15:00	ychaouche	nevertheless, linux on desktops is promising.
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2021-05-20 04:16:18	ychaouche	It has potential. The big problem is hardware vendors don't want to ship the code for their drivers, so we have all kind of legal problems when including them on linux (licenses, usage restrictions, DRM, etc.)
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2021-05-20 04:16:37	mrkubax10	nvidia
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2021-05-20 04:17:26	ychaouche	linux developers put effort in trying to understand how to operate this hardware by developing their own drivers, but this is very difficult, and hardware vendors don't always help in developing open source versions of their drivers. They don't have any incentive to do so.
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2021-05-20 04:17:57	godSend23	ohhhhh man; ty for explaining
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2021-05-20 04:18:12	godSend23	i see the disconnect here
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2021-05-20 04:19:35	deniska	maybe I'm just lucky, but I didn't really come across HW compatibility problems in the previous ~10 years
2021-05-20 04:20:18	deniska	well, I recently failed to install debian on an ancient laptop, it didn't see hard drives and the wireless network, but the laptop in question is more like 15 years old at this point :D
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2021-05-20 04:20:51	deniska	runs netbsd fine though ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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2021-05-20 04:22:01	ychaouche	deniska: you don't have an nvidia card with double or quadruple display, that's why :p
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2021-05-20 04:22:48	ychaouche	mrkubax10: not only nvidia, I also had problems with a particular family of Intel processors with a specific linux kernel version, couldn't remember the details though.
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2021-05-20 04:23:27	godSend23	aye carumba
2021-05-20 04:23:28	ychaouche	but yes nvidia comes on top position of hardware compatibily issues, in part because of its popularity.
2021-05-20 04:23:33	deniska	ychaouche: hm… I remember nvidia driver acting up sometimes, but I ran multimonitor configs few years ago with an nvidia card
2021-05-20 04:23:52	ychaouche	deniska: proprietary or open source driver ?
2021-05-20 04:24:45	TechSmurf	So long, freenode, and thanks for all the fish!
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2021-05-20 04:24:48	ychaouche	godSend23: for reference : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ
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2021-05-20 04:25:40	ychaouche	godSend23: so you can understand that nvidia wouldn't play nice with linux since this incident anyway.
2021-05-20 04:25:59	ychaouche	they didn't play nice before, but now it's personal.
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2021-05-20 04:26:32	ychaouche	linus torvalds is the guy who wrote linux back in 1990's
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2021-05-20 04:28:00	ychaouche	a little more context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVpOyKCNZYw
2021-05-20 04:28:28	deniska	ychaouche: proprietary
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2021-05-20 04:28:41	ychaouche	in that case
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2021-05-20 04:29:05	deniska	ychaouche: of course it was annoying that xrandr isn't (wasn't) properly supported, so you had to go through nvidia-settings
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2021-05-20 04:29:23	ychaouche	and now we also have wayland
2021-05-20 04:29:27	ychaouche	double trouble
2021-05-20 04:29:48	ychaouche	unless it is strictly a drivers problem
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2021-05-20 04:30:50	ychaouche	deniska: rotating monitor ?
2021-05-20 04:31:00	ychaouche	s/monitor/screen/
2021-05-20 04:31:04	ychaouche	or display
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2021-05-20 04:34:20	gpeskens_	Someone able to help with a wacky network issue I'm having? The gist of it: udp streams (multicast/localhost) received on the same machine as they originate sometimes see packet reordering, while the same stream joined on another machine on the network is 100% fine.
2021-05-20 04:34:59	gpeskens_	Since I'm sending mpeg-ts packet reordering makes my stuff very unhappy :/
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2021-05-20 04:35:59	deniska	ychaouche: no, never had one :)
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2021-05-20 04:36:50	deniska	gpeskens_: well, strictly speaking, udp doesn't guarantee that packets will arrive in the same order
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2021-05-20 04:36:59	gpeskens_	Yes I'm aware :P
2021-05-20 04:37:22	gpeskens_	I was under the assumption though that that wouldn't hold when packets are not leaving the same machine
2021-05-20 04:37:23	ychaouche	the application recieving the packets is responsible for re-ordering them
2021-05-20 04:37:34	ychaouche	gpeskens_: race conditions
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2021-05-20 04:37:59	ychaouche	if multithreading app for eg.
2021-05-20 04:38:01	gpeskens_	Yes that's what I figured as well, I was hoping I could do "something" about it ;)
2021-05-20 04:38:10	godSend23	is the hardware prob < software prob or can linux mitigate that w/ environs?
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2021-05-20 04:38:29	ychaouche	godSend23: question unclear
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2021-05-20 04:38:44	ychaouche	What software prob for example ?
2021-05-20 04:38:47	godSend23	similar to virtual machines in qubos
2021-05-20 04:38:59	godSend23	like some software written only for windows/mac
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2021-05-20 04:39:24	gpeskens_	The app that sends it sends from 1 thread, that has been given RT prio (I've seen this issue in the past, and that mitigated it), unfortunately I have less control over the receiving applications, I "think" they might also be receiving single threaded, but can not verify for all
2021-05-20 04:39:41	godSend23	is linux have a greater capability to mitigate software issues better than hardware ones?
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2021-05-20 04:39:48	gpeskens_	The sending application is: https://code.videolan.org/rist/librist, which I also maintain
2021-05-20 04:40:02	ychaouche	oh, if you have a hypervisor yes, you should be able to run other operating systems on top of linux. Popular hypervisors include VirtualBox, Xen, Qemu.
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2021-05-20 04:40:29	godSend23	seamlessly?
2021-05-20 04:40:44	godSend23	aka just as smoothly
2021-05-20 04:40:47	godSend23	as in native environs
2021-05-20 04:41:12	ychaouche	godSend23: they've made considerable advancements yes.
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2021-05-20 04:41:26	ychaouche	unlike emulators like Wine
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2021-05-20 04:41:42	godSend23	ok good!
2021-05-20 04:41:44	godSend23	:)
2021-05-20 04:41:52	ychaouche	most people think about games when referring to software, for that -> steam.
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2021-05-20 04:43:21	ychaouche	gpeskens_: anyway, as deniska pointed out, it's UDP in the end so you shouldn't even assume packets to arrive in the correct order.
2021-05-20 04:43:29	rouji	what does "wine" stand for again?
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2021-05-20 04:43:50	ychaouche	gpeskens_: you *have* to re-order them in the application level
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2021-05-20 04:44:08	ychaouche	Win emulator
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2021-05-20 04:44:20	rouji	no I don't think that was it
2021-05-20 04:44:33	ychaouche	Wine is not an emulator
2021-05-20 04:44:44	gpeskens_	That's unfortunately impossible with mpegts :/
2021-05-20 04:44:45	ychaouche	it's a recurisve acronym
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2021-05-20 04:45:05	ychaouche	gpeskens_: does it have to be udp in the first place ?
2021-05-20 04:45:14	gpeskens_	mpeg-ts: yes
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2021-05-20 04:45:20	ychaouche	ok, then I don't know :(
2021-05-20 04:45:22	rouji	so it's not an emulator then
2021-05-20 04:45:31	ychaouche	rouji: then I don't know what it is
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2021-05-20 04:45:48	rouji	compat layer
2021-05-20 04:45:58	ychaouche	rouji: like Mono ?
2021-05-20 04:46:22	rouji	not really
2021-05-20 04:46:33	gpeskens_	fyi our stack: multicast rist stream in from outside network -> processed by librist (does reordering & recovery of lost udp packets) -> out onto localhost/multicast -> consumed on same machine by other softwares to be transmitted further
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2021-05-20 04:48:00	ychaouche	gpeskens_: librist (does reordering & recovery of lost udp packets)
2021-05-20 04:48:05	 *	ychaouche is confused now
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2021-05-20 04:48:23	gpeskens_	haha, yeah
2021-05-20 04:48:38	gpeskens_	So, RIST is an RTP based protocol that we use to encapsulate mpeg-ts
2021-05-20 04:48:58	gpeskens_	librist receives it, does recovery & reordering, then deencaps it and outputs it as mpeg-ts
2021-05-20 04:49:11	gpeskens_	either on localhost, or on multicast on our stack
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2021-05-20 04:49:48	gpeskens_	My assumption has been that there would be "some" guarantees that reordering does not happen within the same machine, or at least that some tuning/safeguards would be possible to prevent that from happening
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2021-05-20 04:50:16	gpeskens_	That assumption has held true for the past months, till last night, I guess the box is getting more busy.
2021-05-20 04:50:49	gpeskens_	And the wierd thing is: packets going out onto the wire, are received in correct order on the other side
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2021-05-20 04:52:20	gpeskens_	So I'm guessing somewhere in the Linux network stack, perhaps a driver queue, order /is/ enforced, but streams that are bound for localhost or are also joined on the same machine do not have this benefit
2021-05-20 04:52:27	ychaouche	[09:49] <gpeskens_> My assumption has been that there would be "some" guarantees that reordering does not happen within the same machine, or at least that some tuning/safeguards would be possible to prevent that from happening
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2021-05-20 04:52:36	ychaouche	would don't you want the re-ordering to happen ?
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2021-05-20 04:53:05	gpeskens_	reordering, as in: packets getting the wrong order ;)
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2021-05-20 04:54:14	gpeskens_	libRIST is pushing them out onto a multicast address in the correct order, as evidenced by joining this multicast on another machine and seeing that it is in correct order, but when joining the same multicast at the same time on the originating machine packets are sometimes out of order (reordering in the kernel)
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2021-05-20 05:33:01	swarfega	Sauvin: why does it say no SMS?
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2021-05-20 05:36:14	Jari--	Linus Torvalds here? wassup dude!
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2021-05-20 05:39:32	oxek	swarfega: it's SMS speak, like 'thx' 'idk' and other abbreviations
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2021-05-20 05:39:43	oxek	could be explained better
2021-05-20 05:39:47	swarfega	im never clued up on that
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2021-05-20 05:46:30	paulcarroty	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS
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2021-05-20 05:47:09	swarfega	not a heavy SMS user myself
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2021-05-20 05:50:18	recursiveNode	Hi, I'm running Kafka (bitnami/kafka image) on kubernetes with hpa (horizontal pod scaler). Everything works except HPA cannpt see the kafka_consumergroup_lag_sum metric.  https://i.imgur.com/im9eGX0.png  I can however see the metric in Prometheus  https://i.imgur.com/UPuVKTL.png  IDK how to test that metric using "kubectl get --raw /apis/custom.metrics.k8s.io/v1beta1/" because IDK the path after v1beta1
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2021-05-20 05:52:52	paulcarroty	any plans for bridging libra channel with this one?
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2021-05-20 05:55:35	DLange	paulcarroty: yeah, if both continue to be used longer term
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2021-05-20 05:55:50	DLange	if the community decides one way or the other, we'd just let it be
2021-05-20 05:56:13	DLange	anybody who is active on IRC is on both sides within a few days, I guess, anyways
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2021-05-20 06:00:13	paulcarroty	OK, sounds reasonable
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2021-05-20 06:15:05	IIIFE	How can I change or delete a file for all users?
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2021-05-20 06:17:08	cadmio	Hello
2021-05-20 06:17:16	cadmio	When I try to add a new file to a repository on github the "Commit New file" button is not active
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2021-05-20 06:20:22	gebbione	do you have any suggestions on what i can do to fix this error ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/5vFdXSqSjP/
2021-05-20 06:21:27	jim	cadmio, do you have a local clone of that repo, such that you can push to it?
2021-05-20 06:22:09	cadmio	jim: no, I've just created a new repository and wanted to add a new file
2021-05-20 06:22:54	jim	you created this repo on github?
2021-05-20 06:23:20	cadmio	yes
2021-05-20 06:23:30	jim	maybe you can't add stuff because there's not a master branch yet?
2021-05-20 06:23:56	cadmio	it says: "Get started by creating a new file or uploading an existing file."
2021-05-20 06:24:03	cadmio	that's what I'm doing
2021-05-20 06:24:42	jim	ok... can you clone it locally, using ssh protocol?
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2021-05-20 06:25:35	odop	I would like to use a serial conncection for a terminal
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2021-05-20 06:25:53	odop	if I use minicom on both sides it will print what I enter on the other side
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2021-05-20 06:26:05	jim	odop, I liked minicom for that
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2021-05-20 06:27:18	odop	if I use minicom on one side and agetty 115200 ttyS0 on the other side then it prints the login prompt, but when I enter the user name agetty exits
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2021-05-20 06:27:52	odop	I tried to use screen instead of minicom but it only displays wired ascii characters
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2021-05-20 06:28:00	ychaouche	[09:24] <TechSmurf> So long, freenode, and thanks for all the fish!
2021-05-20 06:28:12	odop	jim: so you already know about these things
2021-05-20 06:29:00	IIIFE	Is it possible to have a different terminal emulator launch when xterm is called? I have a few programs that default to xterm and wanted a different terminal emulator to launch instead.
2021-05-20 06:29:02	ychaouche	Sauvin: any background/history about moving to libera chat ?
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2021-05-20 06:30:09	ychaouche	IIIFE: ln -s /usr/bin/konsole /usr/bin/xterm
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2021-05-20 06:30:20	ychaouche	now xterm is a link to konsole
2021-05-20 06:30:36	IIIFE	I read on the arch linux BBS that doing that can break stuff. Is that true?
2021-05-20 06:30:48	ychaouche	yes if konsole isn't installed
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2021-05-20 06:30:56	jim	odop, yeah... sometimes serial is -not- fun
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2021-05-20 06:31:46	ychaouche	xterm is very likely to be installed on any X device. Programs who want to launch a terminal will default to that, because they imply it is installed.
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2021-05-20 06:32:02	jim	konsole is just another flavor of linux terminal
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2021-05-20 06:32:29	IIIFE	Can I then have for global all users have different configuration for xterm? I don't really like its default white background with black text.
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2021-05-20 06:32:57	ychaouche	IIIFE: jim is right, you can use cool retro term if you wish :) https://github.com/Swordfish90/cool-retro-term
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2021-05-20 06:33:28	ychaouche	IIIFE: #xterm
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2021-05-20 06:33:47	recursiveNode	do you know what to do with this error?  horizontal-pod-autoscaler  unable to get metric kafka_consumergroup_lag: no metrics returned from custom metrics API
2021-05-20 06:33:50	RayTracer	IIIFE: I think you can configure it in /etc/X11/Xresources
2021-05-20 06:33:59	recursiveNode	kubectl get --raw /apis/custom.metrics.k8s.io/v1beta1/namespaces/default/pod/*/kafka_consumergroup_lag_sum works
2021-05-20 06:34:24	jim	well the thing about minicom, is you can put it on the serial line
2021-05-20 06:34:26	recursiveNode	but hpa doesn't seem to be able to get that metric
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2021-05-20 06:41:13	ychaouche	IIIFE: xterm is pretty minimal in terms of configuration, better switch to more advanced terms. But yes you can change fg and bg colors, I just don't remember how :(
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2021-05-20 06:43:23	hkm	hi!
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2021-05-20 06:44:06	RayTracer	IIIFE, ychaouche: by specifying eg. "XTerm*background: black", a list of the options can be found in "man xterm" section RESOURCES
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2021-05-20 06:45:06	hkm	When should the exit code in the backup script I'm writing be incremented? I wrote a function called warn() which produces a warning messages to stderr and increments the exit code by 1 but I'm not sure when its appropriate to call it. For instance when `tar` returns non-zero I thought it would be best to use warn() instead of something like `tar .... || exit 1`. Do you guys agree? The script will be passed multiple filenames as pos-params thus I don't see why
2021-05-20 06:45:06	hkm	the script should exit if only 1     `tar` operation fails. The idea was that the exit code would represent the failed backup count.
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2021-05-20 06:47:46	ychaouche	RayTracer: it has to be in a dot X file ?
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2021-05-20 06:48:12	RayTracer	ychaouche: I have it in ~/.Xdefaults
2021-05-20 06:48:26	ychaouche	RayTracer: thumbs up.
2021-05-20 06:48:39	ychaouche	oh, thumbs isn't here ?
2021-05-20 06:48:41	ychaouche	:p
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2021-05-20 07:03:58	hkm	anyone?
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2021-05-20 07:04:53	famubu	Does anyone know if it is possible to have the current url displayed in the bottom of the window in w3m browser?
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2021-05-20 07:07:43	RayTracer	hkm: I wonder what difference it makes for a failed backup count >=1; won't the follow-up action (probably manual investigation) not be the same anyways?
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2021-05-20 07:13:56	hkm	hmm perhaps RayTracer
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2021-05-20 07:14:51	hkm	Do you mind sharing a small script that you wrote so I can see how you approached problems? Preferably 20 to 100 lines
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2021-05-20 07:15:49	steven	anyone able to help me out with a cryptsetup/luks question (about the offset) or can point me into the right place to ask?  I don't get the point of --offset-payload / --offset or rather why one would adjust those values..everything i can find online just suggests random values without explanation
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2021-05-20 07:18:48	RayTracer	I don't have one at hands
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2021-05-20 07:19:45	RayTracer	steven: as a rule of thumb, stick to the defaults and do not provide extra parameters without reason
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2021-05-20 07:20:33	steven	sure, but I still want to know why one would change the offset to begin with :)
2021-05-20 07:21:35	VideoGameEnjoyer	am i on libera chat?
2021-05-20 07:21:44	steven	this is freenode.
2021-05-20 07:21:46	VideoGameEnjoyer	ty
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2021-05-20 07:22:25	triceratux	cool topic folks. just one question: who are "we" ?
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2021-05-20 07:23:13	RayTracer	we=sum(nicks) ?
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2021-05-20 07:24:31	RayTracer	triceratux: see https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad (search for ##linux)
2021-05-20 07:25:40	triceratux	looks like a screed of some sort, yeah
2021-05-20 07:26:20	 *	triceratux cowers before the pro trump corporatist koreans
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2021-05-20 07:27:00	triceratux	i can see why the volunteers need a new home. why did they have to wake up the folks at the register & me ?
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2021-05-20 07:27:21	jellyb	not all the staff have left
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2021-05-20 07:27:30	jellyb	we dont know all the facts
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2021-05-20 07:28:01	jellyb	specifically, we havent heard from the sole staff member who chose remain
2021-05-20 07:28:04	triceratux	rofl
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2021-05-20 07:30:14	triceratux	you guys spend all your time glofifying walmart & redhat & amazon & then someone comes along who paid for the domain 4 years ago & hes some kind of corporatist
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2021-05-20 07:45:40	rascul	the new network is libera.chat, librechat appears to be a chat app for android
2021-05-20 07:45:58	djph	triceratux: wait, who is "you guys"?
2021-05-20 07:45:58	triceratux	still looks like some sort of github issue to me
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2021-05-20 07:46:28	ananke	triceratux: wtf are you ranting on about?
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2021-05-20 07:51:10	RayTracer	splitting communities, presumably
2021-05-20 07:51:48	 *	rascul applies glue to the community
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2021-05-20 07:53:03	RayTracer	rascul: appreciated :)
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2021-05-20 08:12:44	Guest20	hi
2021-05-20 08:13:02	Guest20	what is the difference between /etc/mtab and /proc/mounts file
2021-05-20 08:13:46	ananke	 /etc/mtab these days is a symlink to /proc/self/mounts
2021-05-20 08:14:22	ananke	and /proc/mounts also symlinks there too
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2021-05-20 08:32:04	iflema	rascul: LOOK what your doing to the binding
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2021-05-20 08:38:27	RayTracer	freenode and libera, splitting communities since 2021..
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2021-05-20 08:41:58	metbsd	is there a way to temperoray way to disable an application?
2021-05-20 08:42:08	Khaytsus	RayTracer: You can moan all you want, but the fact is a commercial entity is taking over Freenode.  Move or don't, completely up to you.
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2021-05-20 08:43:14	hkm	hi, I just got done with a base install however the previously working network interface for ethernet is currently not working! `ip a` produces the same result no matter if the ethernet cable is plugged in or not.
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2021-05-20 08:44:43	iflema	hkm: base inastall of what? you see interface?
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2021-05-20 08:45:43	RayTracer	Khaytsus: question is, does it matter (to me).. I'll probably be present on both for a while and see what the future brings
2021-05-20 08:45:52	hkm	iflema, artix linux, the interfaces I see are lo (state UNKNOWN) and enp0s25 (state DOWN)
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2021-05-20 08:46:13	iflema	hkm: artix is that arch derivative?
2021-05-20 08:46:15	Khaytsus	I'll be present on both just long enough for channels to move
2021-05-20 08:46:16	hkm	i thought of changing the state to up but idk how to do that without ifconfig
2021-05-20 08:46:21	hkm	yes it is iflema
2021-05-20 08:46:23	iflema	hkm you got dhcpcd installed?
2021-05-20 08:46:31	hkm	i installed dhclient
2021-05-20 08:46:43	iflema	hkm used it?
2021-05-20 08:46:52	hkm	no dont really know how to
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2021-05-20 08:47:02	iflema	dhclient enp0s25
2021-05-20 08:47:07	iflema	#
2021-05-20 08:47:11	iflema	as root
2021-05-20 08:47:16	hkm	thanks !
2021-05-20 08:47:21	triceratux	Khaytsus: i didnt come here for the ops or the volunteers. i came here for the 2K folks in this channel. ill just watch the total connections drain like a cellphone battery
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2021-05-20 08:47:58	hkm	it worked :)
2021-05-20 08:48:06	triceratux	you folks did it to yourselves
2021-05-20 08:48:16	hkm	triceratux, what's wrong?
2021-05-20 08:49:07	triceratux	hkm: nothing. thats why im trying to figure out why everyones panties are in a knot
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2021-05-20 08:50:12	Khaytsus	I wouldn't want my commuinity at the mercy of staff who would take over another network and bribe random people to replace all the existing staff from other failed networks.
2021-05-20 08:50:16	 *	Khaytsus shrugs
2021-05-20 08:50:48	triceratux	sounds very principled. do you run a linux distro ?
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2021-05-20 08:52:06	ychaouche	update to my cifs mount problem : smbclient works fine with same credentials : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/db832e3b85c529ca0f3f8a8ad2f16d68
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2021-05-20 08:52:42	ychaouche	problem really seems to be from the mount command itself, maybe I am not giving the correct arguments
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2021-05-20 08:55:43	RayTracer	ychaouche: maybe it's not the credentials, but the share permissions? The smbclient command only lists the shares, and doesn't access the one you want to mount. Just a guess, I'm not really using smb
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2021-05-20 08:56:25	ychaouche	RayTracer: good point, I need to test with smbclient further
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2021-05-20 09:07:11	ychaouche	updated : smbclient has access to shared directory : https://gist.github.com/ychaouche/db832e3b85c529ca0f3f8a8ad2f16d68
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2021-05-20 09:08:29	blauskaerm	How does Linux persist sound settings between reboots?
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2021-05-20 09:08:54	blauskaerm	such as volume
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2021-05-20 09:10:03	qman__	well, that depends on which sound system you use, there are about 6 now
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2021-05-20 09:10:17	jjakob	does tee do buffering? I'm getting a delay between inout and output
2021-05-20 09:10:41	jjakob	is there a unbuffered or line-bffered tee
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2021-05-20 09:11:04	jjakob	specifically piping tcpdump into tee
2021-05-20 09:11:43	blauskaerm	qman__: We use alsa and pulseaudio
2021-05-20 09:12:21	ychaouche	jjakob: some commands have the -u option for unbuffered output
2021-05-20 09:12:24	jjakob	it buffers around 32 lines and waits for the next 32
2021-05-20 09:12:26	ychaouche	like sed, grep etc.
2021-05-20 09:12:38	jjakob	man tee doesn't mention anything
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2021-05-20 09:12:58	ychaouche	I also believe there's a command that unbuffers other commands
2021-05-20 09:13:25	qman__	blauskaerm: alsa should have an asound.state file somewhere that stores that information
2021-05-20 09:14:04	qman__	pulse probably stores it in some database
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2021-05-20 09:14:32	jjakob	okay it's tcpdump that's buffering it
2021-05-20 09:14:57	jjakob	tcpdump -l makes it line buffered, otherwise it's 4k buffered when stdout is redirected to a pipe
2021-05-20 09:14:57	ychaouche	jjakob: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/impish/en/man1/expect_unbuffer.1.html
2021-05-20 09:15:30	jjakob	ychaouche: already figured it out, tcpdump -l
2021-05-20 09:15:42	pulse	honestly i don't like databases all that much
2021-05-20 09:15:53	ignapk	so, my device has a hifi dsp that I can interract from userspace with ioctl calls on a certain device node /dev/hifi_misc, I can see in android dmsg and logcat that there are certain ioctl operations that should be executed on boot that I'm trying to reproduce on pmOS
2021-05-20 09:15:53	ignapk	kernel side driver source code: https://github.com/Dil3mm4/labyrinth_kernel_prague/tree/labyrinth_r2.2/drivers/hisi/hifi_dsp
2021-05-20 09:15:53	ignapk	filtered android dmsg messages: https://paste.rs/cFc
2021-05-20 09:15:53	ignapk	my question is if somebody could help me with this, I already figured out a simple ioctl call that dumps hifi logs in some /data/hisi_logs directory, and I used it to obtain panic log from hifi that happens when I try to play any audio in pmOS with aplay regardless if I set any mixer controls or not
2021-05-20 09:15:59	blauskaerm	qman__: As I suspected then. Thanks for your time. We are running an embedded platform and have some problems with losing sound level settings between reboots
2021-05-20 09:16:03	ychaouche	did he get kicked ?
2021-05-20 09:16:09	ychaouche	ignapk: still there ?
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2021-05-20 09:16:17	ignapk	yes
2021-05-20 09:16:21	ychaouche	how come ?
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2021-05-20 09:16:43	ignapk	what do you mean?
2021-05-20 09:17:00	ychaouche	you should have been kicked pasting 4 lines at a time.
2021-05-20 09:17:04	ychaouche	or did you ?
2021-05-20 09:17:15	ychaouche	that's how it displayed on my client at least
2021-05-20 09:17:23	ignapk	oh sorry, I wasn't kicked, and I did paste 4 lines at a time
2021-05-20 09:17:27	ychaouche	:p
2021-05-20 09:17:42	ychaouche	yeah strange
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2021-05-20 09:17:59	ignapk	perhaps some irccloud thing
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2021-05-20 09:18:44	ychaouche	jjakob: yeah make sure every command in the pipeline has unbuffered output
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2021-05-20 09:18:56	ychaouche	jjakob: i got caught a couple times
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2021-05-20 09:19:23	jjakob	ychaouche: I didn't think tcpdump would do 4k bufering when piped
2021-05-20 09:19:31	jjakob	since it doesn't when it just prints to console
2021-05-20 09:19:45	jjakob	now I know
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2021-05-20 09:20:27	ychaouche	jjakob: many commands have different behaviours when output is redirected to a file, that includes buffering, formatting, coloring...
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2021-05-20 09:22:29	DevAntoine	In vi, whenever I try to type a letter with an accent it appears as "..". I've tried setting encoding to UTF-8 but I got the same issue.
2021-05-20 09:23:09	djph	DevAntoine: how're you trying to type it?
2021-05-20 09:23:21	djph	DevAntoine: also, you've installed the full vi(m) package, right?
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2021-05-20 09:25:38	ychaouche	DevAntoine: seek medical help. Only psychos use vi.
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2021-05-20 09:26:13	ananke	ychaouche: don't be an idiot
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2021-05-20 09:27:53	ychaouche	:o)
2021-05-20 09:28:50	ychaouche	editor wars ended ?
2021-05-20 09:29:05	ychaouche	who won ?
2021-05-20 09:29:23	queip	how to copy from folderA/  into folderB/  while chanigng symlinks into real copies? the target is VFAT32
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2021-05-20 09:30:47	DevAntoine	djph: pasting or tying end in the same way
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2021-05-20 09:31:08	DevAntoine	It seems it vi and not vim though
2021-05-20 09:31:34	djph	DevAntoine: I think you have to use the digraphs (^k+keycombo), see :digraph (or was it :digraphs) for the listing.
2021-05-20 09:31:37	DevAntoine	ychaouche: it's not because you suck at vi that everyone does
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2021-05-20 09:32:02	DevAntoine	also sometimes you don't have any other option
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2021-05-20 09:32:30	DevAntoine	djph: digraph is not implemented
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2021-05-20 09:33:50	djph	DevAntoine: ouch.  What version of vi are you on?
2021-05-20 09:33:59	DevAntoine	I guess I'll just upload this two line files through k8s it'll be easier :|
2021-05-20 09:34:16	djph	:|
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2021-05-20 09:34:40	djph	... oh, right ... I've only got vim 8.1 on all my boxes ... forgot that takes over 'vi'
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2021-05-20 09:38:20	ychaouche	DevAntoine: at least I am sane !
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2021-05-20 09:39:42	djph	sanity is overrated
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2021-05-20 09:40:54	ychaouche	yes I suck at vi and I enjoy it. It's called jomo : the joy of missing out.
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2021-05-20 09:46:32	ychaouche	at last... the problem was spaces in the credentials file !
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2021-05-20 09:46:56	ychaouche	fixed ! now I need to figure out how to write a line in the fstab to mount at boot time.
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2021-05-20 09:48:08	brutamontes	I cant install LAMP on Ubuntu using tasksel.
2021-05-20 09:48:08	brutamontes	WARNING: tempfile is deprecated; consider using mktemp instead.
2021-05-20 09:48:08	brutamontes	tasksel: apt-get failed (100)
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2021-05-20 09:48:52	ychaouche	installing linux on linux
2021-05-20 09:50:32	brutamontes	?
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2021-05-20 09:56:50	fakuve	Hi peeps , have you seen this thing of libera? and the freenode issue?
2021-05-20 09:56:57	fakuve	https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
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2021-05-20 09:57:35	SuperSeriousCat	Old news
2021-05-20 09:58:15	Thaurwylth	Fakuve, please check channel topic.
2021-05-20 09:58:15	fakuve	SuperSeriousCat: Shall we make a move then?
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2021-05-20 09:58:32	fakuve	ah yes
2021-05-20 09:58:48	triceratux	its like i run fedora on apple & connect to ubuntu on amazon but i reeeeealy hate corporations
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2021-05-20 09:59:02	SuperSeriousCat	It would not hurt to register your account name there if you care for it fakuve
2021-05-20 09:59:09	fakuve	Ok so see you all in libera then
2021-05-20 09:59:10	kfrench	fakuve: move?  That sounds like exercise.
2021-05-20 09:59:26	fakuve	kfrench: french fries
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2021-05-20 09:59:33	Guest20	hi there
2021-05-20 09:59:35	Guest20	i have a question
2021-05-20 09:59:39	kfrench	fakuve: Now you're talking my language.
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2021-05-20 09:59:49	Guest20	i have created the mount point via fstab and did sudo mount -a
2021-05-20 09:59:50	fakuve	with double cheeseburguer :D
2021-05-20 09:59:56	Guest20	if i do systemctl status mountpoint
2021-05-20 09:59:58	kfrench	afkMI
2021-05-20 10:00:00	Guest20	i can see that it is active
2021-05-20 10:00:08	Guest20	now when i remove the entry from fstab
2021-05-20 10:00:15	Guest20	do systemctl daemon-reload
2021-05-20 10:00:28	Guest20	then again do a systemctl status - i still see the mountpoint is active
2021-05-20 10:01:12	fakuve	There is no webchat for libera though?
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2021-05-20 10:01:41	fakuve	I'm in a library and some ports are blocked
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2021-05-20 10:02:13	fakuve	Ok I found one
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2021-05-20 10:06:03	iflema	Guest20: umount?
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2021-05-20 10:06:21	MrElendig	fakuve: vpn is handy
2021-05-20 10:06:39	Guest20	iflema wow that worked
2021-05-20 10:06:41	MrElendig	fakuve: and I don't mean scams like "omg use this vpn or you will get hacked"
2021-05-20 10:06:54	iflema	o\
2021-05-20 10:06:56	Guest20	iflema  now when i do status command i see Unit test.mount could not be found.
2021-05-20 10:07:06	triceratux	MrElendig: are you taking your channel & fleeing freenode ?
2021-05-20 10:07:29	MrElendig	"your channel" ?
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2021-05-20 10:07:40	fakuve	MrElendig: yepeh
2021-05-20 10:07:51	iflema	Guest20: fresh out of ideas
2021-05-20 10:07:53	fakuve	Ok guys I think I'm gonna make a move to there
2021-05-20 10:07:59	fakuve	see you at libera
2021-05-20 10:08:01	SuperSeriousCat	Bye bye
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2021-05-20 10:08:07	fakuve	long life to libera
2021-05-20 10:08:10	fakuve	hahah
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2021-05-20 10:14:00	jamea77	hi all i use debian
2021-05-20 10:14:02	jamea77	i acces my web server as: http://192.168.104.87:8090/jinv/login.jsp   how to do a internal name server for acces without ip? http://sysprod1:8090/jinv/login.jsp    need install a dns? or?
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2021-05-20 10:14:31	kindlehl	jamea77: is this for your home network
2021-05-20 10:14:43	jamea77	work networkk 20 pcs
2021-05-20 10:14:51	ananke	jamea77: who manages the network?
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2021-05-20 10:14:56	jamea77	internal only not out from...
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2021-05-20 10:15:18	questi	when screen locks somehow internet connection goes too
2021-05-20 10:15:24	questi	bizzare
2021-05-20 10:15:28	ananke	jamea77: but more to the point, this isn't really a linux specific issue, rather something that your network would provide. talk to whoever manages it
2021-05-20 10:15:30	jamea77	i am but always used ip for access,
2021-05-20 10:15:48	ananke	jamea77: so look at the manual for your router
2021-05-20 10:15:57	jamea77	ok
2021-05-20 10:15:58	jamea77	thanks
2021-05-20 10:15:59	jamea77	<somiaj> jamea77: just use /etc/hosts would be my suggestion
2021-05-20 10:16:13	questi	btw this migration is forced or not?
2021-05-20 10:16:28	questi	like people who want to chat on freenode will that in this room?
2021-05-20 10:16:29	ananke	questi: voluntary
2021-05-20 10:16:31	questi	ok
2021-05-20 10:16:32	kindlehl	jamea77: that is right. You could add '182.168.104.87 <hostname>' to /etc/hosts if you have root and this is YOUR machine
2021-05-20 10:16:41	jamea77	yes
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2021-05-20 10:16:50	ananke	questi: will what? you're missing a verb
2021-05-20 10:16:52	jamea77	can have 2 names?
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2021-05-20 10:17:08	ananke	if you have 20 systems, why bother with /etc/hosts?
2021-05-20 10:17:12	questi	*will do that
2021-05-20 10:17:14	questi	sorry :)
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2021-05-20 10:17:22	jamea77	sample my server is named: dbserver, and also i want named sysprod1   is possible?
2021-05-20 10:17:23	ananke	questi: will do what?
2021-05-20 10:17:42	ananke	jamea77: yes
2021-05-20 10:18:17	jamea77	'182.168.104.87 <hostname> <hostname2>'  ?
2021-05-20 10:18:34	ananke	jamea77: yes
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2021-05-20 10:20:09	ananke	jamea77: but you're going to have to do it on each and every system that needs that info, and keep it in sync. you'd be better off configuring your router to provide DNS
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2021-05-20 10:36:56	Ckat	so after the whole channel 'move' what'll happen to this? transfer of ownership?
2021-05-20 10:37:09	Ckat	I wouldnt mind having it :^)
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2021-05-20 10:38:46	varaindemian	what tool can I use/do you recommend to backup and restore os (in case of various errors) right from a live usb?
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2021-05-20 10:39:58	leftyfb	varaindemian: please don't cross-post
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2021-05-20 10:44:26	triceratux	hrm theyre gone https://ariadne.space/2021/05/20/the-whole-freenode-kerfluffle/
2021-05-20 10:44:34	 *	triceratux is glad thats over
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2021-05-20 10:45:19	triceratux	those folks dont need an irc network. they need a blog :)
2021-05-20 10:45:32	oxek	Ckat: the channel could be closed
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2021-05-20 10:47:31	triceratux	is ##linux some kind of intellectual property ? the name of the kernel with 2 hashes to prove its unofficial ? who has title to that ?
2021-05-20 10:48:03	varaindemian	leftyfb: if only I got an aswear
2021-05-20 10:48:18	cappe	what system needs repairing varaindemian ?
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2021-05-20 10:48:29	Ckat	what a shame
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2021-05-20 10:49:10	leftyfb	varaindemian: you waited exactly 1 minute before posting in multiple channels. First time on IRC?
2021-05-20 10:49:24	Ckat	triceratux: well it isnt the 'offiical' linux channel as its just started by some people not affiliated with 'linux' in any official way
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2021-05-20 10:49:34	Ckat	just pretend I didnt typo all of that
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2021-05-20 10:50:00	oxek	##linux on freenode is one of the few channels that actually has the 'blessing' from linux foundation
2021-05-20 10:50:01	cappe	the official Linux is tied to Torvalds right, not a cooperation
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2021-05-20 10:50:28	cappe	the right for that name at least
2021-05-20 10:50:31	oxek	whatever the homepage of ##linux is will explain how they got the pemission to use the linux trademark
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2021-05-20 10:52:02	crazybit	honestly the this whole "taking over freenode" thing sounds like a bunch is overly emotional people going full-on conspiracy theory craze - the dude has had control of freenode for 4 years now and has provided funding - nothing significant has changed - just look at all the blog posts, so cringe worthy overly emotion blah blah blah - I could be wrong though
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2021-05-20 10:52:46	ssiyad	why would freenode be a community in the first place? its a community
2021-05-20 10:52:49	leftyfb	crazybit: you are
2021-05-20 10:53:07	node1	Are we shifting to libra?
2021-05-20 10:53:21	node1	libera*
2021-05-20 10:53:29	node1	Please do let me know
2021-05-20 10:53:31	ssiyad	**company
2021-05-20 10:53:35	crazybit	no
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2021-05-20 10:53:58	crazybit	but that can change, like it always could have
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2021-05-20 10:55:22	triceratux	crazybit: looks like a clique of a dozen or so insiders that definitely need a new home. ive been wishing them luck since yesterday
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2021-05-20 10:57:35	triceratux	"He finds IRC to be comforting, in the same way that I find the bunny plushie I sleep with to be comforting." https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sK0z7IFNGNA/YKUAC1c8UYI/AAAAAAAA3yU/P-GihtnMR5Uovg3729DT9d41vlRby0AWwCLcBGAsYHQ/w541-h534/covid%2Bdarts%2Bboard.png
2021-05-20 10:57:45	triceratux	theyre having a rough week
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2021-05-20 10:59:42	crazybit	they don't need to start a new irc network - they need a therapist & a psychiatrist
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2021-05-20 10:59:52	Ckat	crazybit: it is, ownership doesnt matter jack for an irc network
2021-05-20 11:00:03	Ckat	what does matter is fragmenting communities for no reason
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2021-05-20 11:00:50	triceratux	especially cause it looks like lawfare or cointelpro from github
2021-05-20 11:00:53	 *	triceratux didnt say that
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2021-05-20 11:01:38	Ckat	I just wish the people that do feel the need to move dont purposely ruin existing freenode channels
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2021-05-20 11:02:22	triceratux	very well put
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2021-05-20 11:03:20	gtlsgamr	Can raspberi pi use a usb drive as storage or does it NEED an SDCARD?
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2021-05-20 11:04:24	ntk	i think you need an SD card to set it up for USB boot, then you can remove it.
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2021-05-20 11:04:48	ntk	afaik there's not really a way to bootstrap an rpi without an SD card
2021-05-20 11:04:54	ntk	or a probe
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2021-05-20 11:05:39	ntk	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/bootmodes/msd.md
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2021-05-20 11:14:39	node1	How to recover an old OS? from hard disk ?
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2021-05-20 11:16:37	suave	Maybe fuchs can advice regarding that. He's the resident spy, anyways
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2021-05-20 11:20:19	questi	just read vice article
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2021-05-20 11:20:22	questi	In February of this year, Dahlskjaer put the logo of Shells.com on the Freenode website. Shells is a company co-founded by Lee, at which Mark Karpeles, the founder of the highly controversial (and defunct) Bitcoin exchange Mt. Gox, is CTO
2021-05-20 11:20:24	questi	lool
2021-05-20 11:20:50	Lope	hey guys if I somehow enable a writeback caching on a XFS formatted partition, will the kernel sequentialize the writes when they get flushed to disk, or write them FIFO?
2021-05-20 11:21:00	questi	no wonder nearly all freenode stuffers were acting like @#$%
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2021-05-20 11:22:05	xiaomiao	Lope: "it depends" - what writeback caching do you mean?
2021-05-20 11:22:41	RayTracer	Lope: not sure I understand the question.. FIFO is a way of sequentializing. The kernel will schedule as the chosen scheduler thinks (none / cfq / whatever)
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2021-05-20 11:24:31	triceratux	questi: yep its an irc network & all the drama started with an ad on a webpage
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2021-05-20 11:25:34	triceratux	ah so theyre just not our kind of cryptocurrency entrepreneurs ?
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2021-05-20 11:26:43	wrobinson	p/1
2021-05-20 11:26:53	wrobinson	w/c
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2021-05-20 11:30:42	Solitary	triceratux, you mean thiefs?
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2021-05-20 11:30:56	KindOne	https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt https://web.archive.org/web/20210514121343/https://p.haavard.me/407 https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409 http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/private-internet-access-and-freenode/ https://coevoet.fr/freenode.html https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 https://www.kline.sh/
2021-05-20 11:31:06	KindOne	You can read all the drama and crap from those
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2021-05-20 11:34:54	triceratux	http://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=55181
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2021-05-20 11:40:40	suave	triceratux: Hello
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2021-05-20 11:41:07	triceratux	"freenode has been the one and only IRC network that didn't shrink consistently over time. It was *the* IRC network, period. And now the users will scatter all over the internet to various alternate services and protocols." https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1257194-free-software-projects-defenestrate-the-freenode-irc-network
2021-05-20 11:41:25	triceratux	moar drama !
2021-05-20 11:41:39	Dominian	drama = everyone always wanting to be 'right'
2021-05-20 11:41:44	triceratux	i will admit ill be bored when this is all over :)
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2021-05-20 11:42:26	monsterco	are LXC container files visible to mother?
2021-05-20 11:42:36	ananke	triceratux: you seem to be bringing in that drama here
2021-05-20 11:42:46	Abbott	^
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2021-05-20 11:45:10	coldenbrewed	Great, restarted my ubuntu server with znc on it becuz I was blocked on using a port for connection even with firewall disabled
2021-05-20 11:45:15	coldenbrewed	Glad that znc is still working
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2021-05-20 11:46:05	leftyfb	monsterco: to the host? yes. Though how depends on the filesystem you choose during initialization
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2021-05-20 11:46:31	mulholland	I have a 1T hard drive with 300G of data, but it's formatted as ext4 *without* a partition table. Is there any way to add a partition table without losing that data?
2021-05-20 11:46:36	strive	So uh..is everyone leaving freenode now?
2021-05-20 11:46:45	crazybit	NO
2021-05-20 11:46:56	ananke	mulholland: not really. copy data off and then back on
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2021-05-20 11:48:35	mulholland	interesting! Is there a reason you can't shrink the partition, move it over a meg, and add a GPT?
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2021-05-20 11:48:47	crazybit	i wasn't even aware that you could have ext4 without a partiton table and have it work correctly - btrfs, yes, that's no problem, but ext4 I had no idea (learned something new)
2021-05-20 11:48:58	ananke	mulholland: you just said it has no _partition_
2021-05-20 11:48:59	crazybit	mulholland: how can you shrink a "partiton" if you don't have one?
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2021-05-20 11:49:29	Solitary	strive, yes, people are already moving
2021-05-20 11:49:38	strive	Crazy.
2021-05-20 11:50:16	triceratux	centos is heading out. follow them https://blog.centos.org/2021/05/centos-irc-channels-moving-to-irc-libera-chat/
2021-05-20 11:50:46	xiaomiao	crazybit: in general linux doesn't care how you arrange your block devices
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2021-05-20 11:50:56	ananke	mulholland: and sure, anything is possible if you really put in the effort. you could shrink the filesystem easily, and then bit-by-bit move it up on the disk. though you'd need to start from the back of it. there are no tools that will make that happen for you as far as I know
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2021-05-20 11:50:58	xiaomiao	you can even have an ext4 in a *file* and it's ok
2021-05-20 11:51:16	xiaomiao	ananke: parted, possibly, but I wouldn't trust it
2021-05-20 11:51:43	ananke	xiaomiao: I am not aware of parted being able to do that, happy to be proven wrong
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2021-05-20 11:52:24	mulholland	cool
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2021-05-20 11:52:35	xiaomiao	ananke: ah, not directly. I think, if you were crazy enough, you could shrink the partition, then move it
2021-05-20 11:52:38	mulholland	sounds like a fun tool to write haha. thank you!
2021-05-20 11:52:43	xiaomiao	but I have no faith that this works :)
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2021-05-20 11:52:56	ananke	xiaomiao: but you can't. 'Moves partition on the disk, by moving its beginning to start. You can't move a partition so that the old and new positions overlap. '
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2021-05-20 11:54:03	ananke	xiaomiao: I'd suggest we don't speculate on what 'may' be possible, without some kind of concrete evidence or documentation stating otherwise
2021-05-20 11:54:13	xiaomiao	ananke: oh well. good to be proven wrong
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2021-05-20 11:54:47	mulholland	I guess look at it this way - there are bits on the HD, I know which bits correspond to the data, I only have 300GB, I only need to clear the first 1MB for a GPT. If all these things are true, it seems theoretically straightforward but i mean, i get it you are giving me conservative advice which is fair when possibly-precious data is involved
2021-05-20 11:55:20	spiri	i'm searching for an easy to to _migrate_ an os from a bigger HDD to a smaller SSD one. partitions from source are already correctly shrinked to fit but i need a program concatenating the partitions together because of the unallocated holes inside
2021-05-20 11:55:35	xiaomiao	mulholland: the problem is, you'd have to move all filesystem structures just 1MB to the right, and that's not easily done
2021-05-20 11:55:37	spiri	there is many software for this kind of operation however asking me to pay
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2021-05-20 11:55:56	dubbie	im in a -Y ssh session and i used "scratch &" the output is "[1] 3240". i was expecting a gui, any idea what this is? pid?
2021-05-20 11:56:03	ananke	spiri: clonezilla
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2021-05-20 11:56:29	ananke	dubbie: try without putting it in the background first. or just run 'fg'
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2021-05-20 11:56:36	ananke	dubbie: [1] is the job number
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2021-05-20 11:57:04	ananke	dubbie: run 'fg' to put it in foreground, to see what's happening
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2021-05-20 11:57:11	mulholland	xiaomiao 'all the filesystem structures' meaning all 300G?
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2021-05-20 11:57:51	rangergord	do you guys bother encrypting your collection of Linux ISOs on your home server?
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2021-05-20 11:58:02	mulholland	I guess the main issue would be that the data might be spread out over the drive, and that creating a GPT might require writing to more than the first 1MB (I do not know anything about how to write GPTs)
2021-05-20 11:58:02	xiaomiao	rangergord: always
2021-05-20 11:58:08	ananke	rangergord: what for? that's pointless
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2021-05-20 11:58:52	xiaomiao	mulholland: a lot of the adressing is relative - "directory entry at block 4465", this is relative to the beginning. So you need to move /all/ data by the same offset
2021-05-20 11:58:55	questi	triceraux seems more like a government agencies lap dogs lol
2021-05-20 11:58:56	ananke	mulholland: is the filesystem spanning entire 1TB?
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2021-05-20 11:59:21	rangergord	ananke: I have nothing really objectionable, just movies/games/music, but in case it can be used as an excuse to get at you one day. Like how they got Al Capone on tax evasion charges.
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2021-05-20 11:59:31	mulholland	ananke yup
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2021-05-20 12:00:07	rangergord	xiaomiao: what do you do? full disk encryption, or something fancy?
2021-05-20 12:00:08	ananke	mulholland: if that's the case, I'd just suggest copying data off to a temp/swing location, then recreating partitions/filesystems to your liking and copying it back
2021-05-20 12:00:42	node1	I'm using a lenevo laptop. And it provid onekey recover options for windows. I'm not sure whether it will recover my Ubuntu operating system files
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2021-05-20 12:01:02	ananke	rangergord: I fail to see how publicly available linux ISOs would be of a concern. unless they just happen to be on storage where you're using FDE, in which case why even bother mentioning them?
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2021-05-20 12:02:41	mulholland	thank you all!
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2021-05-20 12:02:51	hexnewbie	ananke: Linux ISOs are an euphemism for all the things one gets through using the BitTorrent protocol
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2021-05-20 12:03:28	ananke	hexnewbie: it didn't even occur to me honestly
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2021-05-20 12:04:24	crazybit	that's just ridiculous, like ananke, I didn't get what he was getting at either
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2021-05-20 12:04:51	isomari	greetings, Can I change ethernet device name using systemd rather than udev?
2021-05-20 12:05:02	questi	rangergord: nowadays evidencd is often fabricated so worry not :)
2021-05-20 12:05:10	Gustavo6046	I like how the very first rule mentioned after the Libera acknowledgement is the SMS one. :P
2021-05-20 12:05:24	Gustavo6046	Love you ##linux! Please stay forever the way you are best <3
2021-05-20 12:05:37	hexnewbie	I think it originated on Slashdot when every time the closure of a BitTorrent tracker was announced, someone would post ‘Now where would I get all my Linus ISOs from?’
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2021-05-20 12:06:30	questi	triceratux follow staffers who enabled likes of tux bitcon korean 'prince' and christel emm
2021-05-20 12:06:31	dubbie	ananke: havent used fg before, but if i use just fg in terminal it returns "scratch" but doesnt return to ~$, just styas blank
2021-05-20 12:06:33	rangergord	I thought it was common knowledge
2021-05-20 12:06:45	Prestige	That's the worst rule
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2021-05-20 12:06:54	dubbie	could it be because im ssh from windows?
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2021-05-20 12:08:33	Abbott	my home server kernel panics and reboots every 48 hours or so, so encrypting disks would just require that I ssh in every time it happens to unlock the disks again
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2021-05-20 12:09:13	Gustavo6046	Prestige: they're flexing it, they know :D
2021-05-20 12:09:17	koollman	Abbott: that's a  lot of panic
2021-05-20 12:09:32	Abbott	yes it is
2021-05-20 12:09:41	Gustavo6046	tbh I find it kinda badass. They know lots of people don't like it, so they shove it up our noses. Mmmmmm, I love it!
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2021-05-20 12:10:04	Prestige	The rule just prevents people from learning, it's sad
2021-05-20 12:10:11	Abbott	I would love for it to not panic but I have no idea why it's happening
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2021-05-20 12:15:04	RayTracer	maybe have it write a kdump to see
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2021-05-20 12:16:24	RayTracer	isomari: yes, use a .link file in /etc/systemd/network https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.link.html
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2021-05-20 12:20:31	EugenA	how can I configure network from terminal on manjaro?
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2021-05-20 12:20:35	EugenA	static ip
2021-05-20 12:21:03	RayTracer	does manjaro use NetworkManager? If yes, "nmcli"
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2021-05-20 12:25:00	RayTracer	I think that wish can also be accomplished with nmcli
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2021-05-20 12:35:31	crazybit	EugenA: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NetworkManager#Set_up_PolicyKit_permissions - if users are not in the group they can't change network settings
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2021-05-20 12:36:17	crazybit	EugenA: but your distro may have different "defaults" so check the docs
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2021-05-20 12:51:06	GholG	triceratux: I believe, or, would rather like to believe that fuchs harrassed me for having a pro-abortion stance
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2021-05-20 12:56:00	GholG	I mean, I otherwise don't understand why anyone would have as so much as to be sending *me* private messages.
2021-05-20 12:56:18	GholG	As much as courage
2021-05-20 12:56:24	djph	bots are dumb?
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2021-05-20 12:58:44	GholG	As dumb as private citizens, probably
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2021-05-20 13:17:52	GholG	djph: The Chinese are sponsoring Covid...
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2021-05-20 13:19:08	oxek	you're in ##linux
2021-05-20 13:19:19	GholG	So?
2021-05-20 13:19:52	ananke	so you're in the wrong channel for that nonsense
2021-05-20 13:19:54	oxek	how is anything you said related to linux?
2021-05-20 13:20:08	GholG	Okay
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2021-05-20 13:20:36	GholG	Didn't you consider your equally nonsense comments?
2021-05-20 13:20:50	c705	GholG: how much do they pay you?
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2021-05-20 13:21:41	GholG	c705: As much as you suppose it's worth
2021-05-20 13:21:47	GholG	:)
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2021-05-20 13:22:29	c705	GholG: no, i'm curious, do you get paid by the hour or the message
2021-05-20 13:22:58	GholG	c705: For what it's worth, I don't run a wage
2021-05-20 13:23:03	GholG	On a
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2021-05-20 13:25:49	c705	you're telling me tyou do this for free
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2021-05-20 13:26:08	GholG	What do you refer to as 'this'?
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2021-05-20 13:26:59	c705	spreading bullshit and lies
2021-05-20 13:27:10	GholG	Why should I getting personal messages from someone going as 'fuchs'? Someone who I've never spoken to be before and not even known?
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2021-05-20 13:28:08	GholG	c705: Myy original nick was 'asla'. Freenode froze it, apparently, then subsequently cleaned up the database, something they probably haven't done in years
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2021-05-20 13:28:57	@Sauvin	And now we have a new staff and you think it's OK to pollute this net with garbage?
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2021-05-20 13:29:20	xiaomiao	rangergord: I've used both LUKS and zfs encryption, both "just work"
2021-05-20 13:29:27	metbsd	how do i use dhcpd to assign different dns server to different ip address?
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2021-05-20 13:35:57	GholG	lukeye: Hi
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2021-05-20 14:34:01	SaEeDIRHA	hey guys , does anyone know how can i forward the VNC connection to remote listener ? i have set up listener for incoming vnc connections , but i dont know how to initiate the connection from my pc to remote listener
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2021-05-20 14:34:52	kruug	Is there a plan to abandon freenode after their whole debacle?
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2021-05-20 14:36:49	kruug	I have a user that has issues with "Find Related Messages" in Outlook not returning anything when related messages exist. I've manually searched for the emails and they are in Outlook, but they don't show up.  Any ideas on what to check?
2021-05-20 14:37:15	ananke	kruug: you seem to be asking that in a wrong channel
2021-05-20 14:37:46	kruug	ananke: Thanks, using webchat and thought I had a different channel selected.
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2021-05-20 14:38:38	triceratux	kruug: theres a plan to make it look like a debacle now that folks have abandoned freenode :)
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2021-05-20 14:39:59	oerheks	statistics show not much changed http://www.hinner.com/ircstat/Socip_F.html
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2021-05-20 14:41:14	@Sauvin	kruug, the tentative plan is to hang out for a while and see what shakes loose.
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2021-05-20 14:42:16	@Sauvin	I advise you do the same while checking out Libera and seeing how you like it. You may then (1) forget them or (2) make them your new home, (3) have TWO homes or (4) walk away form IRC entirely.
2021-05-20 14:43:17	Prestige	Anyone know what the #linux channel is?
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2021-05-20 14:46:20	GholG	That's while the prerogative is probably to have your 15 seconds of fame. Every now and them.
2021-05-20 14:46:22	@Sauvin	On Libera, imaginatively enough, #linux
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2021-05-20 14:47:28	@Sauvin	Prestige, note that if you try to join ##linux on Libera, you'll be forwarded to #linux. At least, that's how it's supposed to work.
2021-05-20 14:47:36	mokulus	https://freenode.net/kb/answer/namespaces
2021-05-20 14:47:39	Prestige	I mean #linux here on freenode
2021-05-20 14:47:43	c705	Sauvin: can confirm that's what happened to me this am
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2021-05-20 14:48:42	@Sauvin	It's still #linux, but it's locked.
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2021-05-20 14:53:16	paulcarroty	needs a paid SMS as entry fee?
2021-05-20 14:53:19	paulcarroty	:)
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2021-05-20 14:59:03	rangergord	Sauvin: what makes people want to manage an IRC channel? Is it the thrill of telling people they can't use txtspeak?
2021-05-20 14:59:13	rangergord	is it the after-parties?
2021-05-20 14:59:23	GholG	Sauvin: I like my wine better
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2021-05-20 14:59:42	Ckat	I can only see upsides to this channel if the old management moves
2021-05-20 15:00:11	@Sauvin	You know, rangergord, I honestly don't remember. At the time, I thought I was doing my bit to help the community and to help others in the channel get a good experience from it.
2021-05-20 15:00:15	rangergord	paulcarroty: is there a directory of all the privacy-oriented forks of famous software? Presumably you have stats, who's linking to the VScodium page the most?
2021-05-20 15:00:26	rangergord	I know codium is not a fork per se
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2021-05-20 15:00:42	@Sauvin	Ckat, lots of people have said the same thing about the now departed Freenode staff.
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2021-05-20 15:01:13	rangergord	Sauvin: it's just banter man, I don't care about txtspeak, plus you never ban me for it
2021-05-20 15:01:26	Ckat	is jim moving to libera at least?
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2021-05-20 15:01:42	@Sauvin	As far as I know, we're all going to be on both nets for a while.
2021-05-20 15:01:43	triceratux	Ckat: hes gone. streets ahead :)
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2021-05-20 15:02:07	Ckat	finally I will be able to type "btw" in peace
2021-05-20 15:02:18	rangergord	I'll go where Ayecee goes. He's right a solid 52% of the time, which is more than I can say for the rest of you!
2021-05-20 15:02:20	rangergord	triceratux: is that supposed to mean "miles ahead"?
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2021-05-20 15:02:34	Prestige	rangergord: lmao that's a great statement
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2021-05-20 15:02:54	Ckat	you could add some bridge like the guys in #nginx as well
2021-05-20 15:02:55	triceratux	Ckat: be careful. the title states "we are over at libera, but if we come back here, NO SMS" :)
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2021-05-20 15:03:40	rangergord	it's ironic that people in ##C++-general are saying ##linux moved to Libera, when the Libera version is dead and this one is as busy as ever.
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2021-05-20 15:03:45	Prestige	isn't sms itself, sms?
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2021-05-20 15:04:17	rangergord	The issue here is that the refuseniks failed to present a good case to normal people as to why Freenode isn't good. It's like the Trump election, nothing changes, just more people whining.
2021-05-20 15:04:19	@Sauvin	Prestige, nope. An acronym.
2021-05-20 15:04:21	Thanzex	Hi there! Is there a way to monitor what's producing soft-IRQs ?
2021-05-20 15:04:26	Prestige	aren't they all?
2021-05-20 15:04:38	Prestige	er actually sms isn't an acronym
2021-05-20 15:04:50	dviola	2 years later freenode and libera merge together, wanna bet?
2021-05-20 15:04:51	Prestige	abbreviations
2021-05-20 15:04:51	twiclo	My monitor essentially works as a dock. My keyboard, mouse, and ethernet are plugged into it and one USB C cable runs from the monitor to the laptop. Everything works except for the audio jack. It's not showing up in pavucontrol. What can I do about this?
2021-05-20 15:04:52	rangergord	short message service
2021-05-20 15:05:01	bin_bash	it's an initialism not an acronym though
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2021-05-20 15:05:07	@Sauvin	rangergord, there's Freenode staff level, there's project management level, there's ops level and then there's user level. What's bad at the topmost level may not even be visible to ordinary uksers.
2021-05-20 15:05:09	@Sauvin	Users, even.
2021-05-20 15:05:54	Ckat	it really isnt
2021-05-20 15:06:23	Thanzex	My linux server CPU constantly sits around 50+% soft-irq, is there any way I can monitor what's producing them?
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2021-05-20 15:06:53	Thanzex	On another note, is there a way that I can monitor the PPS number on the whole system?
2021-05-20 15:06:59	kruug	Prestige initialism.
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2021-05-20 15:07:10	kruug	Ah, as bin_bash stated
2021-05-20 15:07:24	Prestige	I suppose you're right
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2021-05-20 15:07:37	kruug	Like CPU, ATM, SMS, MMS, etc.
2021-05-20 15:08:17	bin_bash	^
2021-05-20 15:08:25	bin_bash	it's only an acronym if you pronounce it as a word
2021-05-20 15:08:29	bin_bash	like "NASA"
2021-05-20 15:08:36	Prestige	hm I'm reading that abbreviations are more generic, which include initialisms and acronyms?
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2021-05-20 15:09:19	rangergord	Thanzex: sorry man idknow, but if no one answers you, try the askubuntu site, it's probably the largest Linux support community. Or probably the kernel mailing list is, but I've never used it and I don't know if they allow this sort of question.
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2021-05-20 15:12:37	kruug	Thanzex: there's also a fairly large Discord server that could provide support.
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2021-05-20 15:14:24	rangergord	kruug: which?
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2021-05-20 15:15:00	kruug	https://discord.gg/discord-linux
2021-05-20 15:15:16	rangergord	the one time I visited a Linux (which I found by googling) it was just a bunch of kids posting memes and calling each other gay
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2021-05-20 15:15:21	rangergord	*a Linux discord server
2021-05-20 15:15:33	rangergord	damn, 11k members. Definitely not the one I found by googling.
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2021-05-20 15:16:56	triceratux	this is cool. wish theyd keep it uptodate https://2ch.hk/s/src/2900698/16195608630970.jpg
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2021-05-20 15:20:21	kruug	rangergord Yeah, they were given special status by Discord staff to make them "official", but that's recently changed because Discord will be Discord.
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2021-05-20 15:22:35	acresearch	people, you know how saving emails from google would save an image as text? how is that done? how can i convert an image into text and back? what is the process called so i can read about it?
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2021-05-20 15:23:24	rangergord	acresearch: OCR , I think optical character recognition
2021-05-20 15:23:26	ananke	acresearch: saving where/how?
2021-05-20 15:23:28	@Sauvin	acresearch, there are a couple of different ways of interpreting "image to text".
2021-05-20 15:23:44	Prestige	I wish discord allowed alternative clients, I dislike their web app
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2021-05-20 15:23:55	acresearch	rangergord: no its not optical, it is code based
2021-05-20 15:23:56	jim	Ckat, well I'm in both places right now
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2021-05-20 15:24:17	@Sauvin	acresearch, on a pastebin, can you share a few lines of your "text"?
2021-05-20 15:24:34	acresearch	ananke: when you backup your email from google, it saves everything as text, including images and attachements
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2021-05-20 15:24:50	Prestige	is it just the raw image data?
2021-05-20 15:24:58	acresearch	Sauvin: no i do not have any text, i was just thinking of the process and wanted to learn it
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2021-05-20 15:25:08	@Sauvin	I'm thinking something along the lines of "uuencode"
2021-05-20 15:25:17	acresearch	hmmm
2021-05-20 15:25:20	rangergord	acresearch: even within code-only, the term OCR stuck. So for example my document application has an "OCR" option, even though it's just converting a JPG file to text.
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2021-05-20 15:25:52	acresearch	rangergord: ah i see
2021-05-20 15:25:58	acresearch	ok then let me read about it
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2021-05-20 15:26:13	Ckat	is base64 encoded isnt it
2021-05-20 15:26:26	ananke	acresearch: I can't speak on the details, since I've never used this feature. look at the data, it's very likely it's simply base64 encoding, commonly used for email
2021-05-20 15:26:29	rangergord	acresearch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_optical_character_recognition_software
2021-05-20 15:26:42	@Sauvin	Probably a few different ways to do that, but yes, base64 is one of them.
2021-05-20 15:27:15	@Sauvin	Used to be common on the usenet before the usenet turned into a wasteland.
2021-05-20 15:27:36	rangergord	oh, you mean the images are kept as actual images? yeah that's not OCR, my bad. I thought you just meant "I had a JPG scan of some document in attachment and it was converted to text"
2021-05-20 15:27:47	ananke	I think usenet uses yenc
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2021-05-20 15:30:03	paulcarroty	heard twilio.com is great for sms
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2021-05-20 15:34:52	jayjo	I'm trying to trace a usb device's packets with wireshark... with lsusb my device shows up as "Bus 005 Device 004", so I try to monitor it with 'usbmon5'. I see connections to 5.4.1, 5.4.2, 5.4.5 among others (like 5.6.1 that I'm trying to filter out). What's this last number in the usb source? Is there a way to filter the device like "5.4.*"?
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2021-05-20 15:38:12	amalek	pro tip: it's actually pronounced "twill-ee-yoh"
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2021-05-20 16:34:05	jayjo	does anyone know what the third number is in wireshark for sniffing usb ports? Source & Dest have Bus.Dev.<SomeOtherNumber>
2021-05-20 16:34:24	sheep	maybe it's the interface number or function number
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2021-05-20 16:38:36	ad__	plain asla setup seems definitely better than pulseaudio, really well working :)
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2021-05-20 17:54:20	questi	guys are there any good tor based irc
2021-05-20 17:54:27	questi	or I have to make one?
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2021-05-20 17:55:55	coope	I am trying to finish building a new system. I moved my RAID to this new system, but I think a disk gotten nuked by the bootloader when I was trying to get the bootloader working. So the RAID isn't detected with mdadm --assemble --scan: "No arrays found in config file or automatically". 2 of 3 drives still seem to have RAID data though as found with dd and `file`
2021-05-20 17:56:11	BadCamel	there's irc servers running on tor hidden services. or you can use an irc client via tor, though a lot of servers block this for anti-abuse reasons
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2021-05-20 17:57:20	questi	BadCamel: well many people want to chat anon so tor based irc can be pop
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2021-05-20 17:59:46	BadCamel	oof coope. I'm sorry to hear that. Try using mdadm -Q --examine /dev/sdb for each device in the array. if everything looks good you should be able to manually assemble it, perhaps by using force
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2021-05-20 18:02:12	coope	cool, much easier way to verify what I already had with dd/file. So it just verified that 1/3 drives is nuked
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2021-05-20 18:03:27	ryusaku	i accidentally deleted all of my ca certificates. i used 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure ca-certificates', and suddenly 129 certificates were removed. now, i can install them again, but, how can i select / install *all* certificates, instead of typing in "1,2,3,4,5,6" etc.?
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2021-05-20 18:03:50	ryusaku	forget it :)
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2021-05-20 18:21:40	sklv	questi: freenode supports has an onion server
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2021-05-20 18:22:19	IIIFE	Is there a better graphical debugger than ddd?
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2021-05-20 18:25:28	Nickwiz	Depends on what you mean by "better" :)
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2021-05-20 18:29:38	Nickwiz	I use mainly use gdb (with gef / peda / pwndbg) - but that is console. Cutter is a front of radare, but mainly use r2 from cli as well.
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2021-05-20 18:31:23	Nickwiz	Have also been know to use OllyDbg through Wine :P
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2021-05-20 18:40:05	questi	found some onion irc
2021-05-20 18:40:10	questi	saying connection refused
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2021-05-20 18:40:14	questi	2 others are empty
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2021-05-20 18:40:31	questi	guess not too many want to chat there or maybe dont know how to connect :P
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2021-05-20 18:45:14	thehunter	ls paramter to hide hidden files?
2021-05-20 18:45:15	thehunter	pls
2021-05-20 18:45:17	thehunter	would be nice
2021-05-20 18:45:42	IIIFE	try ls -A
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2021-05-20 18:45:59	thehunter	not working
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2021-05-20 18:46:12	IIIFE	What do  you mean by not working?
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2021-05-20 18:46:38	thehunter	it still shows the hidden files
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2021-05-20 18:46:53	IIIFE	Try ls --ignore=.
2021-05-20 18:47:06	thehunter	also not
2021-05-20 18:47:12	thehunter	i thin this maybe is not even possible
2021-05-20 18:47:18	Nickwiz	What is your ls command? ls hides . files by default
2021-05-20 18:47:19	@Sauvin	thehunter, what distro are you using?
2021-05-20 18:47:22	thehunter	probably server admin set something to show them by standard
2021-05-20 18:47:22	phogg	thehunter: what is a hidden file if not a dotfile?
2021-05-20 18:47:29	thehunter	.file
2021-05-20 18:47:34	thehunter	debian
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2021-05-20 18:47:51	IIIFE	Debian? Are you sure? Because debian hides hidden files by default for me.
2021-05-20 18:47:52	@Sauvin	thehunter, is your ls aliased?
2021-05-20 18:47:57	thehunter	whatever its not THAT important
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2021-05-20 18:48:06	thehunter	i am not 100% sure
2021-05-20 18:48:07	phogg	thehunter: run this: alias ls
2021-05-20 18:48:14	thehunter	is there a command to show disrt?
2021-05-20 18:48:17	thehunter	DISTR+
2021-05-20 18:48:18	phogg	you might also try: type -t ls
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2021-05-20 18:48:59	thehunter	all nothing
2021-05-20 18:49:09	phogg	thehunter: cat /etc/*{release,version}* # this usually gives you a good hint as to the distro.
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2021-05-20 18:49:18	phogg	the correct way involves the lsb_release command, but I can never remember it
2021-05-20 18:49:26	@Sauvin	lsb_release -a
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2021-05-20 18:49:57	thehunter	yep debian
2021-05-20 18:49:59	thehunter	like i said
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2021-05-20 18:51:17	Nickwiz	which ls, and file $(which ls)
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2021-05-20 18:51:54	Nickwiz	Or try /bin/ls
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2021-05-20 18:53:17	questi	lol connection refused still
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2021-05-20 18:54:09	Nickwiz	questi: for libra?
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2021-05-20 18:54:35	Nickwiz	or here?
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2021-05-20 18:57:11	thehunter	its not that importan
2021-05-20 18:57:48	thehunter	whats important is is why my 10 yr old net smart irc .php irc bot which used to work last time i used it dont work no more
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2021-05-20 19:01:01	questi	Nickwiz it is a small anarchist irc
2021-05-20 19:01:19	questi	apart of it I am staying on freenode
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2021-05-20 19:02:06	Nickwiz	questi: Ah. OK. Because this works fine for freenode https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat
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2021-05-20 19:03:17	ComCat	questi: don't lie.
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2021-05-20 19:03:49	ComCat	crown prince of korea and co-founder of MtGox (bitcoin exit-scam) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Lee_(entrepreneur) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt._Gox#Bankruptcy;_stolen_bitcoin_(2014%E2%80%93ongoing) - has now full control over Freenode and has destaffed ALL the staffers you knew. The staffers have founded and moved to Libera.chat. Sponsors of Freenode are beginning to pull out, it is unknown for how long the freenode will be stable.
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2021-05-20 19:03:57	ComCat	got nothing to do with anarchy
2021-05-20 19:04:00	ComCat	and besides, it's off-topic.
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2021-05-20 19:16:55	questi	i want to go some irc to temp talk less to girls
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2021-05-20 19:17:35	questi	ComCat:  http://bmuxjcjfkum4i7of4rer75bkuepgvo2xqhnxfbv4lmfqxrstfka4ohqd.onion/
2021-05-20 19:17:57	questi	also I think good riddance to staffers who pandered to christel
2021-05-20 19:18:07	questi	and even other scammers
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2021-05-20 19:19:14	questi	there are some nice people like jim and maybe some more
2021-05-20 19:19:16	questi	wont name names
2021-05-20 19:19:22	questi	rest can go to libra whatever xd
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2021-05-20 19:20:31	@Sauvin	questi, this is a channel about GNU/Linux, not about Freenode politics or staff.
2021-05-20 19:20:58	thehunter	other question whats with php
2021-05-20 19:21:03	thehunter	why i cant in it says invite only
2021-05-20 19:21:09	thehunter	or is there even yet people in there?
2021-05-20 19:21:23	thehunter	i would need some php help
2021-05-20 19:21:32	thehunter	maybe someone here good at php?
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2021-05-20 19:23:51	questi	true
2021-05-20 19:24:01	thehunter	first question first is there a command in linux to find out which version of php is installed?
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2021-05-20 19:24:04	questi	ye
2021-05-20 19:24:09	thehunter	yes?
2021-05-20 19:24:26	thehunter	i tried with the help command and so but didnt find anything
2021-05-20 19:24:26	questi	-v lol
2021-05-20 19:24:34	thehunter	php -v ?
2021-05-20 19:24:39	questi	ye xd
2021-05-20 19:24:49	thehunter	ah thank you
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2021-05-20 19:26:09	Arg-Patagonia-b	Hi, i need some help to find an specific Software... i dont know if this is the right place.
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2021-05-20 19:26:50	e36freak	~just ask, if it's not we'l direct you to the right place
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2021-05-20 19:27:45	 *	wigums humps e36freak 
2021-05-20 19:28:21	Arg-Patagonia-b	I am looking for a ERP software, like OpenERP, or oDoo... But it needs to work on Console. Like a TUI software.
2021-05-20 19:28:38	Nickwiz	thehunter: It's at ##php
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2021-05-20 19:29:27	thehunter	it says i am banned Oo
2021-05-20 19:29:37	e36freak	wigums: i wold you to cut that out
2021-05-20 19:29:45	e36freak	told
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2021-05-20 19:31:14	e36freak	Sauvin: my leyboard is best leyboard
2021-05-20 19:31:16	questi	thehunter: ignore it and rejoin lol
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2021-05-20 19:32:31	e36freak	Arg-Patagonia-b: like primarily TUI or just has the option? seems like a weird thing to want tbh
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2021-05-20 19:33:17	Sauvin	Why would that be weird? A TUI ERP would eliminate craploads of httpd-related configuring.
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2021-05-20 19:33:33	e36freak	mm
2021-05-20 19:33:55	Arg-Patagonia-b	Thanks Sauvin for understand... i dont like GUI very much...
2021-05-20 19:34:38	Arg-Patagonia-b	I have being looking for an ERP TUI for a long time, without success...
2021-05-20 19:35:53	e36freak	i mean i'm a terminal guy myself, but i feel like that's the kind of things that makes sense to be web based, isn't the whole point to allow a lot of different people with different needs access to the same data?
2021-05-20 19:36:01	Sauvin	I have the fear you're kinda running against the wind. The vast bulk of computer-using public *loves* GUI.
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2021-05-20 19:36:34	Sauvin	e36freak, yes, it is, but you don't need a GUI to do that. What you *need* is solid server software.
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2021-05-20 19:36:49	e36freak	this is true
2021-05-20 19:36:57	Arg-Patagonia-b	i am old... i dont use GUI...
2021-05-20 19:37:04	e36freak	Sauvin: that first point about the bulk of the public is the reason i think it's an odd thing to want
2021-05-20 19:37:13	e36freak	your whole organization isn't gonna want to learn to use a TUI
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2021-05-20 19:37:36	e36freak	now a TUI *option* or back end absolutely, but my quick googling isn't turning up much
2021-05-20 19:38:06	questi	https://docs.onionshare.org/2.3.1/en/features.html nice mmm
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2021-05-20 19:47:59	treefrob	does anything think "command-with-GB-of-output | dd of=file" can be faster than "command-with-GB-of-output > file"?
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2021-05-20 19:48:17	treefrob	s/does anything/does anyone/
2021-05-20 19:49:02	akk	Probably it could be if you have a bs= that makes the writes faster.
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2021-05-20 19:49:36	treefrob	no bs= mentioned
2021-05-20 19:49:53	treefrob	the command is "zfs send", and it's not Linux, but rather Solaris, but the principle should be the same
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2021-05-20 19:50:33	e36freak	i'm not sure it would be faster enough to matter in most situations, if it is
2021-05-20 19:51:14	treefrob	dd default block size is 1b, which doesn't sound very efficient
2021-05-20 19:51:27	treefrob	1b=512 Bytes
2021-05-20 19:51:54	Sauvin	treefrob, I don't think we know enough about Solaris to be able to answer a question like that with any confidence.
2021-05-20 19:52:14	treefrob	Sauvin, fair enough
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2021-05-20 19:52:39	Sauvin	I am personally very pleased that you admitted early on that this is Solaris, though. It'll through out HOURS of confused communication.
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2021-05-20 19:52:54	Sauvin	Throw, not through. I am very tired.
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2021-05-20 19:54:06	 *	treefrob was able to parse the first
2021-05-20 19:54:48	e36freak	treefrob: did you test it?
2021-05-20 19:54:55	e36freak	i don't even know what file system solaris uses
2021-05-20 19:54:56	treefrob	e36freak, not yet
2021-05-20 19:55:01	treefrob	but that's the next step, of course
2021-05-20 19:55:05	e36freak	treefrob: i am curious to know the results
2021-05-20 19:55:09	e36freak	for science, and all
2021-05-20 19:55:09	treefrob	this would be ZFS
2021-05-20 19:55:14	treefrob	"and all" :)
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2021-05-20 19:55:31	treefrob	I will test it, and let you know
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2021-05-20 19:57:09	LtL	.
2021-05-20 19:57:27	questi	Sauvin: well go to sleep why stay awake xd
2021-05-20 19:58:14	Sauvin	Yeah, I'm thinking about toodling off and having a nap after I've finished this pot of coffee.
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2021-05-20 19:59:08	 *	kfrench holds out a handkerchief to Sauvin.  Does this smell like Chloroform?
2021-05-20 19:59:58	e36freak	treefrob: also what shell? i'd imagine that could make a difference
2021-05-20 20:00:02	questi	all users may connect to this network... wifi manager option, what does it mean ? if laptop power management sends it to lock screen
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2021-05-20 20:00:07	thehunter	#sry i was busy talkin in another chan for a while
2021-05-20 20:00:08	thehunter	[01:30:57] <questi> thehunter: ignore it and rejoin lol
2021-05-20 20:00:12	thehunter	how should i ignore a ban?
2021-05-20 20:00:13	Sauvin	Hrm. A hankie full of chloroform and a belly full of Kona. Which would win?
2021-05-20 20:00:31	questi	my idea is to keep download going while laptop screen is locked
2021-05-20 20:00:33	thehunter	i can at least change ip brb
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2021-05-20 20:01:11	questi	who here is not sleepy? I have 2 questions about wifi
2021-05-20 20:01:16	Sauvin	Why would a download be interrupted by a screen locking?
2021-05-20 20:01:17	questi	dont want to hold anyone :)
2021-05-20 20:01:24	questi	Sauvin: well it happens on Lubuntu
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2021-05-20 20:01:43	questi	I may try to run wget in screen to see if it helps
2021-05-20 20:01:54	Sauvin	Are you certain you're not sleeping or hibernating? #Ubuntu is still here, and they may know a few things about laptops.
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2021-05-20 20:02:18	Sauvin	(and by "you", I meant "your machine")
2021-05-20 20:02:45	questi	ok I will recheck in ubuntu, from what I read it is power management settings
2021-05-20 20:02:49	questi	which I did adjust
2021-05-20 20:03:00	questi	maybe its somewhere else too, will fix :)
2021-05-20 20:03:50	Nickwiz	Use tweaks, Power -> Suspend whn laptop lid is closed : Off
2021-05-20 20:04:21	Nickwiz	(If you use Gnome that is)
2021-05-20 20:04:41	questi	Xfce
2021-05-20 20:04:45	questi	it is similar
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2021-05-20 20:05:58	Nickwiz	/etc/systemd/logind.conf is ignore?
2021-05-20 20:05:59	questi	ok works now
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2021-05-20 20:08:16	questi	you mean  #IdleAction=ignore ?
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2021-05-20 20:09:12	Nickwiz	Thought it might be HandleLidSwitch=ignore
2021-05-20 20:09:25	questi	yes also there
2021-05-20 20:09:37	Nickwiz	There is a IgnoreLid in /etc/UPower/UPower.conf as well
2021-05-20 20:09:37	questi	nice find
2021-05-20 20:10:20	Sauvin	That's what I thought. I'm on a desktop (so I'm talking out my hat here), but when MY screen locks, stuff still keeps running.
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2021-05-20 20:13:40	triceratux	woo woo libera is on netsplit https://netsplit.de/networks/Libera.Chat/
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2021-05-20 20:14:56	aBound	Hola. :P
2021-05-20 20:14:57	mysteryhunter	re
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2021-05-20 20:15:19	aBound	Ci, ci.
2021-05-20 20:15:25	mysteryhunter	i tried everything different ips, changed my nick, changed the user in !*!@* everything
2021-05-20 20:15:29	mysteryhunter	it comes still you ar ebanned
2021-05-20 20:15:31	mysteryhunter	can u join?
2021-05-20 20:15:35	mysteryhunter	##php
2021-05-20 20:15:45	mysteryhunter	because i doubt its a ban of mine
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2021-05-20 20:15:51	mysteryhunter	except they banned the first digits of my ip
2021-05-20 20:16:32	aBound	mysteryhunter, They probably banned your IP address you'd have to get a new one from your ISP.
2021-05-20 20:16:55	mysteryhunter	ipv6
2021-05-20 20:17:05	mysteryhunter	i get new one with evry connect
2021-05-20 20:17:17	mysteryhunter	did u try to join?
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2021-05-20 20:17:20	mysteryhunter	are u able to join ##php
2021-05-20 20:17:31	mysteryhunter	if yes and if its only me then they banned the first digits of my ip
2021-05-20 20:17:36	mysteryhunter	for what idk
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2021-05-20 20:17:46	mysteryhunter	must been ago idk how long
2021-05-20 20:17:48	aBound	I tried to join ##php works fine for me.
2021-05-20 20:17:56	mysteryhunter	otherwise this internet i also dont have that long
2021-05-20 20:18:00	mysteryhunter	then can i talk with the ops
2021-05-20 20:18:04	mysteryhunter	or can u ask them
2021-05-20 20:18:08	mysteryhunter	either to connect with me or
2021-05-20 20:18:10	mysteryhunter	why i am banned
2021-05-20 20:18:21	mysteryhunter	?
2021-05-20 20:18:37	mysteryhunter	would u do that for me? :)
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2021-05-20 20:20:09	aBound	Maybe it was something that you said in which they banned you.
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2021-05-20 20:21:57	Sauvin	mysteryhunter, "you", not "u".
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2021-05-20 20:22:31	 *	Sauvin pokes at ##php
2021-05-20 20:22:54	mysteryhunter	gotta make another reboot unfortunately brb
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2021-05-20 20:23:02	mysteryhunter	Sauvin, i say u
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2021-05-20 20:23:31	mysteryhunter	what u want tell me how i have to talk ?
2021-05-20 20:23:32	Nickwiz	mysteryhunter: /mode ##php b
2021-05-20 20:23:34	mysteryhunter	brb
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2021-05-20 20:23:46	triceratux	bane him !
2021-05-20 20:23:46	Sauvin	mysteryhunter, do you not see in the /topic where it says "no SMS"?
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2021-05-20 20:24:14	Sauvin	Oh, guess not.
2021-05-20 20:24:25	Sauvin	Yeah, I'm really, really fast, ain't I? :\
2021-05-20 20:24:38	questi	what is sms?
2021-05-20 20:25:43	aBound	triceratux, Hola you still distro hopping?
2021-05-20 20:25:58	 *	kfrench offers Sauvin a hankie.
2021-05-20 20:26:05	Sauvin	Short Message System or somesuch - in this context, it refers to a style of English that condenses orthography phonetically. The primary injunction against it is that it's a barrier to people whose first language is not English and for people (such as the deaf) who have poor or nonexistent familiary with English phonetics.
2021-05-20 20:26:12	questi	ok
2021-05-20 20:26:26	Sauvin	I, personally, am both.
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2021-05-20 20:26:38	triceratux	aBound: not as an end in itself, as a means to an end :) [    0.000000] Linux version 5.12.4-exton (root@Ubuntu-Lenovo) (gcc (Ubuntu 9.3.0-17ubuntu1~20.04) 9.3.0, GNU ld (GNU Binutils for Ubuntu) 2.34) #1 SMP Sat May 15 11:31:43 CEST 2021
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2021-05-20 20:28:59	Sauvin	triceratux, what's the goal?
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2021-05-20 20:30:06	triceratux	most current most performant linux with the fewest bugs, & if that doesnt work the next best. oh & with the least effort
2021-05-20 20:30:13	treefrob	"service"
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2021-05-20 20:31:51	triceratux	also to have an inventoried tabulation of the bootable distros so i can isolate variables when doing problem determination https://paste.opensuse.org/25803380
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2021-05-20 20:32:23	triceratux	when i see an issue for the first time my reaction isnt "how do i get this to work ?" but rather "does it already work somewhere else, & why ?"
2021-05-20 20:32:52	 *	triceratux views linux as a whole rather than distro by distro
2021-05-20 20:33:07	triceratux	not a coherent whole of course :)
2021-05-20 20:33:28	Sauvin	yeah, mysteryhunter is outright banned from ##php
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2021-05-20 20:35:25	Sauvin	finding that perfect distro seems to be something of a life's work for you, triceratux .
2021-05-20 20:35:49	e36freak	Sauvin: wonder why
2021-05-20 20:36:12	e36freak	i found one i liked and have stuck with it for a lot of years. just find one that works for you, no?
2021-05-20 20:36:29	e36freak	obviously some are better at some things than others
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2021-05-20 20:38:28	Sauvin	When I bought my car, I needed a car. Spent a couple of days rejecting this one, finding that one too expensive, blah. Found one I liked, bought it and started getting used to it.
2021-05-20 20:38:33	Sauvin	That was _years_ ago.
2021-05-20 20:39:06	Sauvin	When I need a new distro, it's because my old distro has started giving some kind of problem. I don't spend a lot of time looking for another distro. I need my computer.
2021-05-20 20:39:41	Sauvin	So, I'll usually just try a newer generation of what I've got. I'll usually like it well enough that a bit of touch-up here, maybe a couple of new belts there, and I'm good to go.
2021-05-20 20:40:19	Sauvin	Went, as I recall, from Red Hat (in the late '90's) to Fedora Core to Debian to Ubuntu. That's about it, that's about all.
2021-05-20 20:40:50	triceratux	im exactly the opposite. every time im replacing a car i wish i could do what i do with distros. replace it with about 10 cars & use them all while im deciding
2021-05-20 20:40:52	Sauvin	(that doesn't count the distros I've shoveled into VMs just for shits 'n' giggles)
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2021-05-20 20:41:53	e36freak	no comment on the car thing
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2021-05-20 20:43:43	Sauvin	e36freak, the car thing is a real but weak metaphor. Some folks LOVE buying a car, putting it up on blocks in the garage and spending the next two years just tinkering with it.
2021-05-20 20:43:56	Sauvin	They're not trying to fix the car - for them, the joy is in the tinkering.
2021-05-20 20:44:18	Sauvin	That's exactly what it's like when I decide to start poking at a new programming language.
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2021-05-20 20:45:00	Sauvin	(difference is, when I get stuck and can't figure it out in the new language, and I gotta git 'er done, I have my trust old perl that'll do just about anything except laundry)
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2021-05-20 20:45:41	kfrench	perl is actually pretty good at handling the dirty jobs
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2021-05-20 20:46:05	Sauvin	It's also surprisingly good at handling the clean ones.
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2021-05-20 20:49:20	aBound	triceratux, I switched back to Manjaro Linux so far it's been stable.
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2021-05-20 20:50:14	triceratux	when im not running some ubuntu clone im running artix lxqt. its pretty solid right now
2021-05-20 20:50:43	aBound	Doesn't Artix use OpenRC as it's init system.
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2021-05-20 20:50:47	aBound	Instead of systemd.
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2021-05-20 20:52:11	triceratux	they do 3 non-systemd inits for each of about half dozen spins https://artixlinux.org/download.php
2021-05-20 20:53:19	triceratux	the init has been the least of my worries
2021-05-20 20:53:32	 *	triceratux is a dbus / libpango person ;)
2021-05-20 20:53:47	ossifrage	It is kinda sad that my parallel grep script that took ~13s, the serial version took 6m29s (both with a hot cache)
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2021-05-20 20:54:56	aBound	I couldn't see myself using Arch Linux cause I want something to work "out of the box."
2021-05-20 20:55:02	ossifrage	the script is just 'find .... -print0 | parallel -0 -L 1024 ...'
2021-05-20 20:55:09	aBound	Even though Manjaro is based upon Arch.
2021-05-20 20:55:28	 *	aBound lingo tango
2021-05-20 20:55:51	aBound	I shall return going to test run Fedora cause it's using Gnome 40. :)
2021-05-20 20:55:57	aBound	:P
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2021-05-20 20:57:18	mysteryhunter	re
2021-05-20 20:57:20	mysteryhunter	sry took a lil longer
2021-05-20 20:57:33	mysteryhunter	cause becauser of the identify and my name was still there due ping timeout whatever
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2021-05-20 21:03:02	Sauvin	mysteryhunter, you are explicitly banned in ##php.
2021-05-20 21:03:22	Sauvin	By the way, "sorry", not "sry".
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2021-05-20 21:04:19	mysteryhunter	what are u a grammar nazi?
2021-05-20 21:04:36	mysteryhunter	do u know that this is extremlyannoying
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2021-05-20 21:04:37	mysteryhunter	for people
2021-05-20 21:04:41	mysteryhunter	when u do such things
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2021-05-20 21:04:56	mysteryhunter	i speak how i want
2021-05-20 21:04:59	ananke	no wonder you're banned
2021-05-20 21:05:05	kfrench	do u know that it is extremely annoying when people say u?
2021-05-20 21:05:08	Sauvin	Yup.
2021-05-20 21:05:09	mysteryhunter	what
2021-05-20 21:05:10	akoana	mysteryhunter: sms speak it is extremly annoying
2021-05-20 21:05:16	Sauvin	One last time: "you", not "u".
2021-05-20 21:05:18	mysteryhunter	because i tell him that grammar nazis are annoying?
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2021-05-20 21:05:40	Sauvin	Buh bye.
2021-05-20 21:06:17	 *	kfrench hugs Sauvin, tries to smash a hankie on his nose.
2021-05-20 21:07:03	Sauvin	kfrench, you might want to hold those hugs until after I've showered. Flying insects in my vicinity are falling out of their flight paths.
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2021-05-20 21:07:58	peetaur	Sauvin: what's your secret? The flying insects here are trying to eat me.
2021-05-20 21:08:42	questi	to none english speakers sms is not clear lol
2021-05-20 21:08:48	Sauvin	Maybe the ones orbiting me don't much care for carrion, or maybe it's the thick clouds of Stoly I'm exuding.
2021-05-20 21:08:56	 *	kfrench hugs peetaur, causes insects to divert to JFK.
2021-05-20 21:09:12	questi	Sauvin: in the topic SMS is not clear - most people may not understand that it means lol
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2021-05-20 21:09:41	Sauvin	It DOES mean LOL, actually, but LOL predates Internet.
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2021-05-20 21:11:18	aBound	Am back.
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2021-05-20 21:15:26	novelcoronavirus	jim, what is /usr/local/bin intended for? Its not unique to any given user is it?
2021-05-20 21:16:11	aBound	triceratux, Check out Gnome-Boxes it's a simplified virtualization tool if you use Gnome 40. :P
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2021-05-20 21:16:24	aBound	Or supports Gnome 40 apps.
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2021-05-20 21:19:03	Canis76	Alright  my network manager seems to not poop the bed at random.  Does anyone know where to begin looking?  This boot up has let me use the internet.
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2021-05-20 21:22:25	aBound	Canis76, That reminds me I need to set my configure my NetworkManager.conf file so it won't cut out here and there.
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2021-05-20 21:23:20	Canis76	I am on Ubuntu right now, but Arch derivatives, namely Garuda does it also.  That was the first distro I've tried in years.
2021-05-20 21:24:54	aBound	Canis76, The one time I had to go into /etc/NetworkManager and open the file NetworkManager.conf once I was in there I entered "[device] wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no" that generally fixed my WiFi problem when I saved the file.
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2021-05-20 21:25:15	aBound	Canis76, Not sure if it'll work for you though.
2021-05-20 21:25:22	Canis76	aBound, The thing is that its everything
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2021-05-20 21:25:51	aBound	You'd have to add [device] first then write wifi.scan-rand-mac-address=no below the [device] text.
2021-05-20 21:25:53	Canis76	Not just wifi.  but anything having to do with communicating with the outside world, which is really only two things
2021-05-20 21:26:16	aBound	Canis76, Have you tried another kernel some of them might have network bugs.
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2021-05-20 21:26:56	Canis76	my NIC doesn't show up anywhere, but dmesg when I check.  None of the GUI ways I know to check show anything.
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2021-05-20 21:28:19	Canis76	I will check to see if ubuntu 21.04, and whatever the latest garuda is built on are coming from the same thing.  Kinda sucks.  I don't remember how I got my huion to use most of the side buttons.  but I got it.
2021-05-20 21:30:45	aBound	Canis76, No problem. :P
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2021-05-20 21:41:22	Canis76	5.11.blah in ubuntu, and 5.10 in garuda.
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2021-05-20 21:44:34	rngmaster	anyone knows how to check if my nvidia has resizable BAR on ?
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2021-05-20 21:45:20	 *	[R] resizes rngmaster's BAR
2021-05-20 21:45:45	rngmaster	THANKS
2021-05-20 21:46:42	aBound	Teehee blah.
2021-05-20 21:47:59	aBound	Canis76, I'd assume a wired connection doesn't work either. :P
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2021-05-20 21:51:09	Canis76	Not when the OS doesn't see the card.
2021-05-20 21:51:37	Canis76	I'm going to restart until it fails, or i've rebooted 10 times, and see what happens
2021-05-20 21:51:44	aBound	Dang.
2021-05-20 21:52:19	Canis76	It might be a certain sequence of going between windows, and linux, but I don't see a pattern
2021-05-20 21:52:19	aBound	Canis76, If someone doesn't know on her maybe the Ubuntu forum would be of help.
2021-05-20 21:52:43	Canis76	I will try soon.  Thanks for the tips.
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2021-05-20 21:53:04	aBound	:P
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2021-05-20 21:55:40	sybariten	good evening
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2021-05-20 21:58:12	sybariten	I have this line at the end of my .bashrc, often :   bashrc_file=~/.version/bash/.bashrc && test -f "$bashrc_file" && source "$bashrc_file"
2021-05-20 21:58:38	nova	Hello, I see that infrastructure has been created on libera. I made a quick guide for #vim since #vim was facilitating a rapid exodus to libera. I don't know if it will be helpful for anyone here. It's just the basics and mostly for weechat. http://bl.ocks.org/novasenco/raw/4287bc70005e0f8958f71d8d660cccbc/?raw=true  I wont be staying, so if this is out of place, then my apologies.
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2021-05-20 22:01:51	aBound	I am off enjoy all. :P
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2021-05-20 22:02:17	CTech	hey everyone o/
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2021-05-20 22:04:04	sybariten	What is a sane and proper way to write a bash function, that writes this string into the end of ~/.bashrc ?  I mean the rough version would be something like addLine() { echo 'my long string' >> ~/.bashrc ; }
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2021-05-20 22:08:23	iflema	sybariten: echo $1 >> ?
2021-05-20 22:08:37	[R]	sybariten: thats about it...
2021-05-20 22:08:41	[R]	sybariten: what more do you need?
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2021-05-20 22:09:11	iflema	$1
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2021-05-20 22:09:43	sybariten	iflema:  yes, you may havce missed the beginning of the question though, it's a bit of a long string but nothing terrible. I just thought if it could be defined before hand as a variable or something
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2021-05-20 22:11:20	iflema	sybariten: so   echo $var >>   ?
2021-05-20 22:11:31	Nickwiz	printf '%s\n' "$1" >>
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2021-05-20 22:11:59	iflema	append it somehow...
2021-05-20 22:12:43	iflema	cat em
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2021-05-20 22:13:47	sybariten	As i'm reading on stackoverflow now, it seems arrays can be used as placeholders instead, when there are quotes in the string...?
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2021-05-20 22:19:27	sybariten	hmmm no bash didn't like this one   bashline=(bashrc_file=~/.version/bash/.bashrc && test -f "$bashrc_file" && source "$bashrc_file")
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2021-05-20 22:20:07	sybariten	need to escape those suckas maybe
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2021-05-20 22:21:29	akoana	why don't you just use an editor for this kind of task, I've heard editors do a great job changing text files...
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2021-05-20 22:22:13	sybariten	akoana: ah no it's a returning process.... but i agree
2021-05-20 22:22:45	akoana	a returning process?
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2021-05-20 22:25:02	triceratux	sybariten: you could still keep the line in a file & just have the script cat >> it
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2021-05-20 22:26:03	triceratux	unless it contains variable data in which case youll have to fix the syntax
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2021-05-20 22:26:07	sybariten	triceratux: yes thats true, trying to minimize the number of files though.... this will go into a git repo with bash functions, to be used from any computer
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2021-05-20 22:27:02	triceratux	in the script youll just have to fully escape it or break it into pieces or maybe use a heredoc
2021-05-20 22:27:52	sybariten	yeah, heredocs may have been what i was kind of wanting to use....! (in search of an ever more convoluted way to do things) ... but didn't know the name
2021-05-20 22:28:05	sybariten	Now i just stored it in a string, using single quotes, that seemed to work.  :)
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2021-05-20 22:28:30	sybariten	I tend to not use single quotes a lot at all, but that's more out of incompetence than anything else i suppose ....
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2021-05-20 22:28:58	Nickwiz	Do not get it. You want to add a line to the end of .bashrc as a "recurring thing"? So you end up with a .bashrc with N lines of "bashrc_file=~/.version/bash/.bashrc && tes ..." at the end?
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2021-05-20 22:32:33	sybariten	Nickwiz: no not typically repeatedly to the same bashrc. But lets put it this way, every time i come to a new machine i want to add this line to the bashrc with just a simple command/function
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2021-05-20 22:33:56	iflema	sybariten: yeah so have it in a file and just   cat file >> .bashrc
2021-05-20 22:34:36	sybariten	iflema: yes thats one way, but i also already have a file with bash functions, so now i just need to do blahblah and the line is added to the end of ~/.bashrc
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2021-05-20 22:34:56	sybariten	and i dont need to store just the line in a dedicated file like that
2021-05-20 22:34:57	iflema	blahblah    =   cat file >> .bashrc
2021-05-20 22:35:11	sybariten	iflema: yeah but that requires one more file
2021-05-20 22:35:28	iflema	ooh
2021-05-20 22:35:35	iflema	!bail
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2021-05-20 22:52:12	sybariten	could someone try to explain these build instructions to me please, i'm a little bit lost at what exactlyu they mean...   https://github.com/klirichek/zj-58#building-and-installing         more specifically, is the step    mkdir build && cd build && cmake /path/to/source    mandatory or extra  ? ive cloned the git repo and am standing in the dir, i see some .c files
2021-05-20 22:52:43	sybariten	could it be that i should just do cmake --build .    ?     or do i need to do the cmake /path/to/source they mention?
2021-05-20 22:52:51	[R]	sybariten: you can do cmake ..
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2021-05-20 22:53:07	sybariten	[R]: uh, cmake parent?
2021-05-20 22:53:10	[R]	then the cmake --build
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2021-05-20 22:53:16	[R]	as it says
2021-05-20 22:53:20	[R]	you ahve to specify the path to the source code...
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2021-05-20 22:53:29	sybariten	they use one dot, for current dir...
2021-05-20 22:53:34	[R]	yes
2021-05-20 22:53:37	[R]	2 separate instructions
2021-05-20 22:53:45	sybariten	so should i do the mkdir build thing?
2021-05-20 22:53:49	sybariten	and then go into build?
2021-05-20 22:53:49	[R]	cmake with path to the source, then cmake with --build and the path to the build dir
2021-05-20 22:53:55	[R]	you should do everythign it says
2021-05-20 22:54:23	sybariten	ugh i dont get it. I mean path/to/source isnt a literal path anyhow ...
2021-05-20 22:54:34	[R]	the person that wrote it is a moron
2021-05-20 22:54:38	[R]	most people jsut do 'cmake ..'
2021-05-20 22:54:42	[R]	they dont know how unix works
2021-05-20 22:54:45	[R]	so they put /path/to/source
2021-05-20 22:54:52	[R]	and expect you to replace it with the full path to the source dir
2021-05-20 22:55:22	sybariten	ok so right now i'm standing in the dir called zj58, which contains some .c files. Should i make the build dir first?
2021-05-20 22:55:44	 *	[R] gives up
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2021-05-20 22:57:54	sybariten	Well... me too, soon. I dont understand how they've written the instructions. Why use /path/to/source for instance, if they're talking about actual paths in the same sentence . And should i do cmake twice ?
2021-05-20 22:58:01	sybariten	or is one line optional
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2021-05-20 23:03:47	ahungry	sybariten: perhaps this one liner (start over at the git clone) would help you out, it worked for me as I tested
2021-05-20 23:03:50	ahungry	export SOURCE_DIR=$PWD; mkdir build && cd build && cmake "$SOURCE_DIR" && cmake --build .
2021-05-20 23:04:29	ahungry	(assuming you run the command in the directory of the repository you clone)
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2021-05-20 23:32:30	murder	is there a way I could possibly run grep -vf afile bfile and only return the afile content that didnt match? Instead grep returns bfile content that didnt match
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2021-05-20 23:33:51	Prestige	probably need to run grep once per file if you want different search results
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2021-05-20 23:37:38	Sauvin	murder, what happens if you run grep [opts] afile [otherops] bfile ... ?
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2021-05-20 23:43:53	murder	I see
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2021-05-20 23:45:54	akoana	murder: maybe something like this:    while IFS= read -r pattern; do grep -qv "$pattern" bfile && printf 'no match: %s\n' "$pattern"; done < afile
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2021-05-20 23:51:44	akoana	(assuming the patterns are in afile as -f afile implies)
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2021-05-20 23:55:04	murder	akoana: yeah I get the idea, however I'm manipulating very large files, while read is very slow (bash is very slow for files)
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2021-05-20 23:56:04	akoana	hmm, did you try it?
2021-05-20 23:56:14	murder	yep
2021-05-20 23:56:29	murder	you should try using time with while read, its very slow
2021-05-20 23:56:51	rindolf	murder: why use bash for that? there are go-lang, C, C++, pypy, vala, etc.
2021-05-20 23:57:34	murder	what I'm doing now is this: grep -Ff afile bfile > cfile ; grep -Fvf cfile afile
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2021-05-20 23:58:32	 *	rindolf thinks bash's fork+execve can be CPU cycles murder
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2021-05-20 23:58:36	Sauvin	murder, why don't you translate into English what you think that's supposed to do?
2021-05-20 23:58:42	murder	yeah it is
2021-05-20 23:58:52	murder	but I wont do C code just for this, you know
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2021-05-20 23:59:10	Sauvin	I wouldn't, either. Perl or Python or something.
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2021-05-20 23:59:27	murder	I tried using python for the same matter, slower than calling grep -Ff
2021-05-20 23:59:36	rindolf	murder: there are many other langs
2021-05-20 23:59:43	murder	hmm, maybe perl, indeed
2021-05-20 23:59:47	murder	but slower than mawk
2021-05-21 00:00:13	rindolf	https://www.perl.com/pub/2007/12/06/soto-11.html/
2021-05-21 00:00:14	murder	anyway, thing is I'm already into an extensive shell script and I'm tuning it up
2021-05-21 00:00:33	akoana	murder: what about:
2021-05-21 00:00:35	akoana	mapfile -t patterns < afile ; for pattern in "${patterns[@]}"; do  grep -qv "$pattern" bfile && printf 'no match: %s\n' "$pattern"; done
2021-05-21 00:00:38	murder	I don't have time to port everything, since I'm using ipcalc as well in the script
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2021-05-21 00:00:56	akoana	that's for bash
2021-05-21 00:01:06	murder	yeah good one, for loop
2021-05-21 00:01:49	murder	tons of subshell calls to grep tho
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2021-05-21 00:02:03	akoana	yes, sadly
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2021-05-21 00:02:11	murder	thanks for remembering of mapfile
2021-05-21 00:02:13	Sauvin	murder, we won't be able to help very much until you explain what your bash code was supposed to do.
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2021-05-21 00:02:29	akoana	but grep is not designed to output non matching patterns
2021-05-21 00:02:33	murder	the bash code already does the thing, I just wanted to know if it was possible with one line grep
2021-05-21 00:02:55	Sauvin	akoana, grep -v
2021-05-21 00:03:07	murder	without regexp, which is time consuming as well
2021-05-21 00:03:17	Sauvin	Yeah, regex can be a pig.
2021-05-21 00:03:25	akoana	Sauvin: he wants the non matching patterns not the non matching lines
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2021-05-21 00:04:23	murder	I wonder why GNU grep doesnt have this.
2021-05-21 00:04:42	murder	its a damn nice feature for something that already has entire files in buffer
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2021-05-21 00:05:55	murder	if grep "string" file exists, why doesnt the same version reverse exists. you know.
2021-05-21 00:05:57	BadCamel	perl -e 'open(B, "bfile"); @b=<B>; while(<>){print unless grep($_, @b);}';
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2021-05-21 00:06:37	murder	no dude, too many grep invocations, I'm playing with 10 million lines
2021-05-21 00:06:40	BadCamel	though much like feeding the mogwai, perl after midnight can turn out bad.
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2021-05-21 00:06:47	akoana	yes, that would be nice, but maybe the designers thought "hey, the user supplied the patterns, so he knows them already..."
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2021-05-21 00:08:04	BadCamel	er. cat afile | perl...
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2021-05-21 00:09:21	akoana	nice, I wonder how that would perform in murder's case...
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2021-05-21 00:10:06	murder	nvm, I just felt like maybe there was a grep argument I couldnt have in mind
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2021-05-21 00:11:25	Sauvin	That "@b=<B>" in BadCamel's code means "suck the whole file in in one go" and the rest traverses the file wholly in memory.
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2021-05-21 00:12:04	mattfly	English question. what is this expression they use
2021-05-21 00:12:12	mattfly	oh
2021-05-21 00:12:16	mattfly	that was the return key
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2021-05-21 00:12:57	justsomeguy	Eh, try switching to an ergo keyboard and you'll be ashamed more often than you can count.
2021-05-21 00:13:24	 *	justsomeguy pressed enter many times when he intended to his space or tab a lot.
2021-05-21 00:14:02	murder	perl is bloody nice for files tbh
2021-05-21 00:14:04	Sauvin	For a guy with short fingers, I'm having a hell of a time with a small keyboard.
2021-05-21 00:14:19	Sauvin	Perl is "bloody nice" for lots of things. :D
2021-05-21 00:14:59	murder	too bad regular installations nowadays dont have it
2021-05-21 00:15:06	murder	so its not that portable anymore
2021-05-21 00:15:39	Sauvin	I've never seen a distro that does not have perl by default.
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2021-05-21 00:16:15	murder	I mean, we are talking about 2021 who everyone uses -minimal for servers
2021-05-21 00:16:18	BadCamel	what perl does best: confuse the next guy to work on the script.
2021-05-21 00:16:29	murder	BadCamel: yeah. syntax is bloodshed
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2021-05-21 00:17:04	Sauvin	Not if it's written by a guy who actually knows perl.
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2021-05-21 00:18:14	BadCamel	I think especially if its written by someone who actually knows perl. The loose syntax lets everyone develop their own style that tends to be hard for others to parse.
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2021-05-21 00:19:28	BadCamel	It's still my favorite language though.
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2021-05-21 00:20:09	Sauvin	Maybe. When I write for myself, I'm all"map sort <stuff> grep" yadda - but if I know it's going to be for somebody else, I'll use actual loops and variables.
2021-05-21 00:21:00	sybariten	ahungry: thank you! Yep it was something like that i did in the end, it worked!
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2021-05-21 00:37:37	Deliciacremosa	alguem on?
2021-05-21 00:37:41	wenijinew	hi, how to get string length by tcsh?
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2021-05-21 00:40:22	Arg-Patagonia-b	nada?
2021-05-21 00:40:27	justsomeguy	wenijinew: Does something like get_length() { echo $#
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2021-05-21 00:40:33	justsomeguy	; } work?
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2021-05-21 00:40:50	justsomeguy	Argh, I made a typo there.
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2021-05-21 00:42:15	justsomeguy	It should be: get_length() { echo "${#1}"; }. So running "get_length this", should result in 4.
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2021-05-21 00:42:43	justsomeguy	But I'm not sure if that syntax works for tcsh.
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2021-05-21 00:43:41	justsomeguy	You could also do something like "echo string | wc -c".
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2021-05-21 00:44:29	Prestige	length in bytes or characters?
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2021-05-21 00:44:56	ayecee	no no, in pixels
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2021-05-21 00:49:31	autopsy	I've got 7 tower computers, what can I do with themn with Linux?
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2021-05-21 00:50:08	Prestige	What are you interested in?
2021-05-21 00:50:19	ayecee	hold open 7 doors with linux
2021-05-21 00:50:26	autopsy	I'm interested in File Serving.
2021-05-21 00:50:27	Prestige	Could host some services like a nextcloud instance maybe
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2021-05-21 00:50:53	autopsy	I want to boot some machines without a RAM stick, can I do that?
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2021-05-21 00:50:59	ayecee	no
2021-05-21 00:51:02	autopsy	Ok.
2021-05-21 00:51:15	ayecee	i mean you can, it just won't do anything useful
2021-05-21 00:51:37	ayecee	probably just beep resentfully
2021-05-21 00:51:43	Prestige	Then you could use kodi to connect to it, if you have movies/videos you'd like to watch. It's a pretty nice experience
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2021-05-21 00:55:06	autopsy	I mainly want to start a failover cluster series.
2021-05-21 00:55:14	autopsy	Called autopsy fell over.
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2021-05-21 00:55:45	ayecee	well now that you've already made the joke there's not much point in doing it
2021-05-21 00:56:06	autopsy	Yes.
2021-05-21 00:56:14	autopsy	There's more blustering to come.
2021-05-21 00:56:31	autopsy	When I connect two wires I want to get zapped.
2021-05-21 00:56:44	autopsy	Then blame the CPU.
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2021-05-21 00:56:46	ayecee	i want that for you too
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2021-05-21 00:57:30	Sauvin	autopsy, with 7 towers, you don't need anything else to keep your house warm.
2021-05-21 00:57:44	autopsy	Yeah.
2021-05-21 00:57:50	Sauvin	With seven computers, you *could* mess with cluster computing.
2021-05-21 00:57:53	autopsy	There all like 190W processors.
2021-05-21 00:58:05	autopsy	I want to build a cluster yes.
2021-05-21 00:58:15	autopsy	But how would I do it with Kerrighed?
2021-05-21 00:58:22	autopsy	Or DRBL?
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2021-05-21 00:59:14	Nickwiz	With 7 towers you can download the Internet and disconnect.
2021-05-21 00:59:32	autopsy	I want to disconnect right now though.
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2021-05-21 01:00:28	autopsy	I know.. I could make 1 master node with NFS/PXE kernel, and TFTPD.. then 6 nodes all booting PXE with a NFS mounted root fileusystem.
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2021-05-21 01:07:30	akoana	use only 5 for PXE booting, then you'll have your personal free node...
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2021-05-21 01:08:23	akoana	;)
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2021-05-21 01:09:41	hackinghorn	hey, I heard something something is happening to freenode, will ##linux continue to exist normally?
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2021-05-21 01:10:17	BadCamel	you can use a union filesystem to make the nfs root read-only and have writes go to ram instead. then you only need one filesystem for all the machines :)
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2021-05-21 01:12:28	BadCamel	nothing's normal right now so who knows.
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2021-05-21 01:27:29	ValeraRozuvan	hackinghorn: This pretty much adds it up https://mniip.com/freenode.txt
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2021-05-21 01:29:15	Sauvin	Some of those resignation lettres from former staff have links to others.
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2021-05-21 01:34:01	Peppi^	hello
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2021-05-21 01:39:06	Prestige	Sup Peppi^
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2021-05-21 01:40:58	Peppi^	Prestige, nadda... looking to install the latest java version on linux mint
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2021-05-21 01:45:38	novelcoronavirus	freenode ded
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2021-05-21 01:48:56	Peppi^	novelcoronavirus, ?
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2021-05-21 01:49:16	novelcoronavirus	Freenode is now the property of the lizard people
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2021-05-21 01:52:06	mrkubax10	yeah join #linux on libera.chat
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2021-05-21 01:55:01	novelcoronavirus	All I wanna know is... who's coming with me!?
2021-05-21 01:56:22	Prestige	Not I
2021-05-21 01:56:39	novelcoronavirus	pussy
2021-05-21 01:57:01	Prestige	Not even pussy will convince me to go
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2021-05-21 02:06:57	mrkubax10	yesterday on #linux at libera.chat were ~250 people now there are almost 500
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2021-05-21 02:10:29	Sauvin	Those numbers will probably mount, but ##linux staff wishes everybody concerned to know that there's no pressure to move.
2021-05-21 02:10:59	Sauvin	If/when we all decide to abandon Freenode entirely, we'll figure something out to keep this channel running.
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2021-05-21 02:37:38	Peppi^	sorry what's wrong with freenode?
2021-05-21 02:37:49	EugenA	I connect with network manager to vpn. After each connect I need to do "ip route del default via 10.242.2.1", can this be done automatically?
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2021-05-21 02:38:43	ktwo	Hey, what distro could you recommend for running on SD-card on x86? Should i go for Raspbian for Desktop? Or Fedora? it should have low disk I/O on idle i guess
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2021-05-21 02:39:27	elios	raspian is for arm/armel ?
2021-05-21 02:39:39	ktwo	well there is also RaspberryOS for x86
2021-05-21 02:39:54	elios	yeah, no.
2021-05-21 02:41:26	elios	you could use debian with a light desktop or even wm
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2021-05-21 02:42:36	elios	just exclude 'desktop environment' in the installer
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2021-05-21 02:45:37	ktwo	is there maybe something i can flash with rufus directly to SD without an installer?
2021-05-21 02:45:39	elios	do you have a link to raspberry os x86?
2021-05-21 02:45:53	ktwo	https://www.raspberrypi.org/software/raspberry-pi-desktop/
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2021-05-21 02:47:34	elios	it says i386 with is a 32bit system
2021-05-21 02:48:08	ktwo	well technically x86 does not imply 64 bit -) it can run on both with the known limitation of 4gb ram
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2021-05-21 02:49:28	Sauvin	Peppi^, Freenode ownership has changed hands and now has an almost entirely new staff. Lots of people disagree with the way it changed hands and the fact that terms of this transfer are unknown, were unforeseen and imply that Freenode is now an extension of a commercial enterprise.
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2021-05-21 02:49:35	Sauvin	Many of us are moving.
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2021-05-21 02:49:48	elios	also 16-bit
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2021-05-21 02:54:05	Peppi^	oh ic
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2021-05-21 02:55:37	ktwo	commercial enterprise you mean a company of 10? guys?
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2021-05-21 03:08:10	bradd	any way for a nfs client to have a 'fallback' ip if the first one fails?
2021-05-21 03:09:06	blauskaerm	Maybe have two A records in the same dns name?
2021-05-21 03:09:08	blauskaerm	idk
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2021-05-21 04:00:24	mirchael	Hi. Can linux have several framebuffers activated?
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2021-05-21 04:04:55	bradd	mirchael: you mean like <ctrl><alt>F[somenumber]
2021-05-21 04:04:56	bradd	?
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2021-05-21 04:09:45	mirchael	bradd: I mean output to several framebuffer devices via different modules (if no conflict).
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2021-05-21 04:24:38	paulcarroty	https://talawah.io/blog/extreme-http-performance-tuning-one-point-two-million/
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2021-05-21 04:26:34	paulcarroty	in short - nginx sucks
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2021-05-21 04:29:51	rindolf	paulcarroty: hi
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2021-05-21 04:31:43	rindolf	paulcarroty: and then you add 10,000 bloated indented npm assets... ;0)
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2021-05-21 04:38:01	deniska	mirchael: nothing prohibits multiple drivers providing multiple framebuffer devices
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2021-05-21 04:40:00	mirchael	ok. thank you.
2021-05-21 04:40:37	paulcarroty	rindolf: sure, better to sit down on apache+php5
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2021-05-21 04:41:02	rindolf	paulcarroty: seriously now - nginx or not - i think they won't be your bottleneck - https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/site_loads_quickly.xhtml
2021-05-21 04:41:43	rindolf	paulcarroty: i meant client-side assets
2021-05-21 04:42:43	paulcarroty	this not about frontend
2021-05-21 04:42:54	rindolf	paulcarroty: like in https://www.patreon.com/
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2021-05-21 04:43:59	paulcarroty	Disabling dhclient gives us a performance boost of just under 6%. Throughput moves from 1.06M req/s to 1.12M req/s.
2021-05-21 04:44:03	paulcarroty	cool
2021-05-21 04:44:16	rindolf	paulcarroty: well, my joke was orthogonal
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2021-05-21 05:27:15	jjakob	paulcarroty: how would dhclient affect performance?
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2021-05-21 05:27:21	oxek	and perhaps more importantly, how does this affect the Linux® Sub-Licence?
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2021-05-21 05:28:21	jjakob	okay, reading the logs between Ariadne and Andrew Lee, the most disturbing thing is the excessive usage of smilies in a serious conversation
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2021-05-21 05:29:06	oxek	jjakob: I'm glad you too have made the same observation, but perhaps this is something to be taken to -offtopic
2021-05-21 05:29:10	paulcarroty	jjakob read the article
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2021-05-21 05:32:33	jjakob	paulcarroty: ah I see, the one on http performance tuning
2021-05-21 05:32:36	jjakob	make sense
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2021-05-21 05:56:40	Jari--	:)
2021-05-21 05:56:45	Jari--	hi
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2021-05-21 05:57:26	Jari--	sort of love Linux wont crash on a broken C application in middle of development... with DJGPP I had access to all memory, it pretty much borged all the time... still remember Linux was an infant
2021-05-21 05:57:52	Jari--	1996 InfoMagic CDROMs pretty much changed my life, first time booting Linux from CDROM and floppies too
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2021-05-21 05:59:05	davve	leaving for libera. BYE!
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2021-05-21 06:00:56	godSend23	hey all
2021-05-21 06:01:02	Jari--	godSend23: hows it
2021-05-21 06:01:08	godSend23	good u
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2021-05-21 06:01:20	Jari--	godSend23: I am working on virtualization and Linux
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2021-05-21 06:01:29	Jari--	actually have paper notes
2021-05-21 06:01:32	godSend23	oh nice
2021-05-21 06:02:29	Jari--	godSend23: my plan is to make lots of C64 games run on Linux lightning fast.. but actually the main aim is to my personal OS project get games and applications it badly needs.... kernel without applications is doomed
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2021-05-21 06:02:52	Jari--	so, actually I am currently working oa token parser, in Linux
2021-05-21 06:02:55	godSend23	very ambitious
2021-05-21 06:03:18	godSend23	and comendable :)
2021-05-21 06:03:34	Jari--	godSend23: I was born with one mother father ... and of course ... a Commodore 128 ... its very deep in my soul
2021-05-21 06:03:58	Jari--	but actually having fun sametime
2021-05-21 06:04:01	Jari--	doing serious C
2021-05-21 06:04:18	Jari--	:)
2021-05-21 06:04:20	godSend23	i love it!
2021-05-21 06:04:28	godSend23	vintage 80s
2021-05-21 06:04:45	Jari--	godSend23: have you heard of Mega65 ? Commodore 65 40 MHz
2021-05-21 06:05:07	Jari--	Lunix would run pretty fast on it, .. or oh well actually does! Ramdisk = super fast
2021-05-21 06:05:18	godSend23	not yet until u brought it up
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2021-05-21 06:07:42	Jari--	godSend23: am I lost? doing daily backups on github.. heh.. like it were any more permanent than an actual DVD disk
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2021-05-21 06:09:07	SkunkyLaptop	the cloud is just someobyd else's compooter.
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2021-05-21 06:14:13	godSend23	if u wanted to constantly engage w/ people u have contact info through some sort of open source platform, what whould u recommend?
2021-05-21 06:14:25	chewb	can i ask simple networking question here?
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2021-05-21 06:14:57	SkunkyLaptop	chewb: plug the cable in on both ends.
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2021-05-21 06:16:50	chewb	i have host running windows, and on it there is VM runnning LINUX. On linux i use sshuttle to connect to jumphost. Then i use this command to proxyfy connection through remote server or something "ssh -L 127.0.0.1:8800:10.6.27.6:80 wildfly@IP_ADDRESS_X". Then i put password, and after that i can connect to API on " http://127.0.0.1:8800/someapi" and i get response
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2021-05-21 06:18:47	chewb	then on host machine i use this command: "ssh -D8086 -N -f root@192.168.55.102" this one creates proxy between my host and my VM. Then i input localhost:8086" to browser config, and now i can connect to app on remote server in browser, i mean i go to "IP_ADDRESS_X:8080/api2" and i get response
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2021-05-21 06:19:44	chewb	but if i do "ssh -L 127.0.0.1:8800:10.6.27.6:80 wildfly@IP_ADDRESS_" on host machine i get error: connmection to IP_ADDRESS on port 22 refused, why?
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2021-05-21 06:25:14	IIIFE	How can I have something apply to global bashrc? I rather just edit one config rather than edit every user config.
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2021-05-21 06:27:56	blip99	hi all, when I try to install ubuntu and choose manual partitioning then select luks as the file system - the installer crashes.  It doesn't if I select ext4.  Am I missing something about luks?  I don't really know how to use it - it never asked me for a password during the format
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2021-05-21 06:30:29	oxek	blip99: that should not happen. What ubuntu are you trying to install?
2021-05-21 06:30:38	oxek	also, luks is not a filesystem
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2021-05-21 06:34:56	blip99	oxek: well, lubuntu. 21.04.  on an ~11 year old Lenovo T420.  i7-2620M CPU @ 2.70GHz and 4GB RAM and an INTEL SSDSA2M160
2021-05-21 06:35:17	blip99	For some reason the installer's partitioner was letting me choose ext4 (where there's a tickbox to set a password)
2021-05-21 06:35:25	blip99	or luks, or luks2, or fat32 etc...
2021-05-21 06:36:25	oxek	does the same issue happen when you try to install a LTS version of (l)ubuntu?
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2021-05-21 06:37:22	oxek	20.04 LTS should be perfectly fine for a 11 year old laptop
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2021-05-21 06:39:54	blip99	oxek: i havne't tried LTS. on 21.04 it installs succesfully if I format with ext4 instead of "luks" or luks2
2021-05-21 06:39:59	blip99	I'd prefer to have the least
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2021-05-21 06:43:54	oxek	are you selecting guided installation with encryption?
2021-05-21 06:44:00	jersten	What's the best consumer router that has 8 ports, can run foss firmware, is $250 or under, and has a longer range than the Linksys EA 6500?
2021-05-21 06:44:20	oxek	jersten: I heard good things about turris mox.
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2021-05-21 06:44:36	oxek	you won't get modern wifi though
2021-05-21 06:45:06	jersten	How do you define modern wifi?
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2021-05-21 06:45:11	oxek	ac/ax
2021-05-21 06:45:25	oxek	I think it only does up to wifi n
2021-05-21 06:47:03	jersten	Ah ok. How about those fancy looking Asus gaming routers that look like Sauron's hat from lord of the rings? Are those any good?
2021-05-21 06:47:14	oxek	definitely not, if you want foss firmware
2021-05-21 06:47:45	oxek	ok looks like turris mox has wifi ac
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2021-05-21 06:52:58	jjakob	you used to be able to load openwrt onto a lot of those wifi routers
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2021-05-21 06:53:17	jersten	Yeah now they don't want to let you, since that would cut into their payday.
2021-05-21 06:53:24	jjakob	stuff changed after a while due to no foss drivers for the newer ac/5g wifi chipsets
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2021-05-21 06:53:55	jersten	If it's closed source firmware, you know they're just selling your data and stats to the highest bidder.
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2021-05-21 06:54:07	jjakob	personally I'd go look at openwrt's hcl and buy something compatible and that works good after reading user opinions
2021-05-21 06:54:25	jersten	I mean it's the router... perfect place to watch everything you're doing
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2021-05-21 06:54:41	jjakob	closed source firmware can't really send your data, it can have backdoors however
2021-05-21 06:54:52	jjakob	oh you mean router firmware
2021-05-21 06:54:59	jersten	Why couldn't it send your data?
2021-05-21 06:55:00	jjakob	that can do whatever it wants, yes
2021-05-21 06:55:18	jjakob	I thought you meant wifi chipset firmware
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2021-05-21 06:55:27	jersten	isn't that part of the router firmware?
2021-05-21 06:55:42	jjakob	wifi firmware and drivers are the biggest issue in porting open source OS to devices like this
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2021-05-21 06:56:16	jjakob	well, "router firmware" is usually a linux OS (kernel + rootfs) with drivers and peripheral firmware built in
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2021-05-21 06:56:35	jjakob	so you have firmware inside "firmware" (which is really a OS image)
2021-05-21 06:56:53	crippa	hi. I changed my router and I'm trying to connect a headless raspberry to my new wifi network. I placed a 'wpa_supplicant.conf' file in the boot folder of the Pi and rebooted. Now in my router, I see the raspberry listed under its mac address but it's not receiving an IP. What can be the reason? Other info: I was using WPA2-CCMP, I'm now using
2021-05-21 06:56:53	crippa	WPA2_WPA3. My network addresses changed from 192.168.188.* to 192.168.178.*.
2021-05-21 06:57:10	jjakob	the wifi chipset is a peripheral that needs firmware too, which gets loaded when the OS boots
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2021-05-21 06:57:38	jersten	Yeah if we're running a distro we're likely safe in that area. I was referring to the firmware on the router itself. If it's closed source, you know it's sending all your data off to be sold. Plus the backdoors
2021-05-21 06:57:45	jjakob	typically in /lib/firmware
2021-05-21 06:58:10	jjakob	jersten: a lot of mainstream linux distros package closed source firmware "blobs"
2021-05-21 06:58:15	jjakob	like Ubuntu
2021-05-21 06:58:17	jersten	but what about the modem? I have cable, and they gave me their modem.
2021-05-21 06:58:36	jersten	I use Manjaro, not sure if it comes with the closed source blobs
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2021-05-21 06:58:57	jjakob	your ISP can sniff all your traffic anyway if they wanted, they don't need to backdoor your CPE
2021-05-21 06:59:16	jjakob	but it can have backdoors or vulns allowing others access
2021-05-21 06:59:30	jersten	So don't worry about the modem? Or there's just nothing you can do?
2021-05-21 06:59:46	jjakob	anyway ISPs don't really have a reason to sniff your traffic, unless ordered by the government or police
2021-05-21 07:00:00	jjakob	nothing you can do.
2021-05-21 07:00:08	jersten	Well they could sell the data
2021-05-21 07:00:44	jjakob	if you said that in ##networking, several people would get very mad at you. I've seen this exact conversation
2021-05-21 07:00:44	jersten	You can deal with facebook and google, and largely stop them. But you can't really stop your isp selling your privacy if they want to
2021-05-21 07:01:08	jjakob	if they wanted to yeah, but really they have no reason to as they get money from you already
2021-05-21 07:01:17	jersten	You mean about the ISP selling data? They got mad about that?
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2021-05-21 07:01:24	koollman	jjakob: some isp really like money, though :)
2021-05-21 07:01:25	jjakob	and you have no real way to know
2021-05-21 07:01:31	jjakob	jersten: yes.
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2021-05-21 07:01:47	jersten	Odd that they'd get mad about that. I mean, sooo many companies do it..
2021-05-21 07:01:53	koollman	I mean, there are multiple real world example of abuse from various isp, all to get more money from their paying customers
2021-05-21 07:01:56	jjakob	you can try.
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2021-05-21 07:02:12	jjakob	try asking and see :)
2021-05-21 07:02:22	jersten	I'll go ask at some point lol
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2021-05-21 07:02:32	koollman	you can safely assume that if there's no regulation concerning it, it's happening, and if there is regulation concerning it ... it might still happen :)
2021-05-21 07:02:44	jersten	I wanna hear how they can say no, for sure the ISP's aren't doing it and won't ever do it.
2021-05-21 07:02:57	blip99	oxek: sorry missed your message.  I'm running the installer and choosing the manual partitioning option where I choose partitions and set mount points
2021-05-21 07:03:28	blip99	oxek: I set a /boot/efi fat32 partition for UEFI, and then a / and an /home with file system "luks"
2021-05-21 07:03:36	jersten	So best bet for the router is to get something off the list over at DDWRT's website. That about sum it up?
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2021-05-21 07:03:46	koollman	I mean, in the us, one of the isp is google. So ...
2021-05-21 07:03:53	crippa	in the syslog file, I read a 'dhcpcd[325]: wlan0: probing address 192.168.188.68/24, indicating it still thinks it's in the .188.* network
2021-05-21 07:04:15	crippa	any way I can force it to refresh the dhcp?
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2021-05-21 07:05:42	oxek	blip99: the installer still shouldn't just crash, it should give some error message instead. Can you post screenshots of what you see when you manually set it up?
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2021-05-21 07:06:22	jersten	koollman: Yeah but you don't have to use google isp. I'm using charter. There might be some isp that doesn't do it, but no way to ever know if you found that isp
2021-05-21 07:06:33	jjakob	jersten: list on ddwrt or openwrt page
2021-05-21 07:06:51	jersten	which one is better? DDwrt or openwrt?
2021-05-21 07:07:04	jjakob	crippa: probing address doesn't mean it's requesting that from the server
2021-05-21 07:07:13	jjakob	what is the issue you're having?
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2021-05-21 07:07:39	jjakob	jersten: I prefer openwrt. it supported a lot more hardware
2021-05-21 07:08:07	oxek	jersten: openwrt is more open and openly developed than ddwrt
2021-05-21 07:08:23	oxek	but ddwrt has NDAs with router developers which allows them to use closed source parts to make it work
2021-05-21 07:09:06	jjakob	yep. personally I'd rather use a more foss system
2021-05-21 07:09:07	IIIFE	I'm surprised and happy lxde is still being developed. It's so lightweight that security issues aren't to be worried about.
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2021-05-21 07:10:07	koollman	jersten: my point is that if one isp is likely using customer data/metadata, others could see a benefit to it as well
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2021-05-21 07:10:32	koollman	and someone arguing 'google would not do that' is probably not going to win a privacy argument
2021-05-21 07:13:29	crippa	jjakob: problem found. my RPi was not getting an IP, it turned out dhcpcd.conf contained the wrong IP ranges
2021-05-21 07:14:01	oxek	IIIFE: where do you see that lxde is still being developed?
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2021-05-21 07:14:43	IIIFE	oxek The blog https://blog.lxde.org/ shows they're still releasing new versions of their components.
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2021-05-21 07:14:57	blip99	oxek: thank you.  here is the process https://imgur.com/a/8T100iZ   crashes with no output, installer just disappears during the partitioning step of installing
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2021-05-21 07:15:59	jim	blip99, what are you trying to install?
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2021-05-21 07:16:14	blip99	jim: lubuntu 21.04
2021-05-21 07:16:20	oxek	IIIFE: that's a bit surprising
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2021-05-21 07:16:33	oxek	I still wouldn't hold on to hope for LXDE, lxqt has all the devs now
2021-05-21 07:16:40	blip99	jim: on an ~11 year old Lenovo T420.  i7-2620M CPU @ 2.70GHz and 4GB RAM and an INTEL SSDSA2M160
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2021-05-21 07:16:51	jjakob	crabmelt: I don't have any ip ranges in dhcpcd, that should be dhcp's job
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2021-05-21 07:17:10	jjakob	I just added noipv4ll and denyinterfaces tun* (to not run on my vpn tunnels)
2021-05-21 07:17:18	blip99	I already have lubuntu 19 installed on it just fine, but i want a fresh start on 21.04
2021-05-21 07:17:21	IIIFE	It's going to be a couple of years until every distro removes gtk2 from their repos. I think lxde will remain alive and well for years to come, especially since a gtk3 version of lxde exists.
2021-05-21 07:17:27	jjakob	sorry that was meant for crippa (who left)
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2021-05-21 07:18:05	jim	blip99, hmm... maybe hardware fail, but before you conclude that, tet an unofficial firmware debian installer and try it
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2021-05-21 07:18:34	oxek	blip99: that is not going to work, you can't have / encrypted if you don't have a separate /boot partition
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2021-05-21 07:19:01	blip99	oooh lol, had no idea
2021-05-21 07:19:22	triceratux	blip99: its ironic but thats why im booted into exitx http://www.extix.se/?p=831 its 21.04 lxqt with refracta & real gparted. that lubuntu installer doesnt look well
2021-05-21 07:19:40	blip99	isn't /boot/efi (FAT32) the boot partition oxek?  The installer told me to create one since I use UEFI bios
2021-05-21 07:19:49	oxek	that's the efi partition
2021-05-21 07:19:58	triceratux	theres a bunch of lxqt distros that ship gparted on the iso. that kpartition thing may be puking
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2021-05-21 07:20:02	oxek	you still need a /boot one, if you wish to have / encrypted
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2021-05-21 07:20:10	blip99	I see. so either I only encrypt /home, or I create a /boot
2021-05-21 07:20:13	blip99	ok will try /boot
2021-05-21 07:20:19	blip99	how large should it be? ext4?
2021-05-21 07:20:39	oxek	1G large (kernels are getting big) and ext4 is fine
2021-05-21 07:20:56	jjakob	oxek: I have / encrypted without separate /boot
2021-05-21 07:21:02	jjakob	why do you sey that?
2021-05-21 07:21:16	jjakob	it's been possible in grub for a looong time
2021-05-21 07:21:24	oxek	luks2?
2021-05-21 07:21:32	jjakob	no, luks1
2021-05-21 07:21:45	oxek	ubuntu installer does luks2 by default
2021-05-21 07:21:49	jjakob	you manually precreate the partitions and luks volume
2021-05-21 07:21:58	jjakob	well, complain to the ubuntu people
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2021-05-21 07:22:06	IIIFE	Hell, slackware still comes with gtk1. They're never going to remove gtk2 either at this rate.
2021-05-21 07:22:15	jjakob	I commented on the miles long issue with other people complaining too
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2021-05-21 07:22:20	jjakob	but they don't give a sh**
2021-05-21 07:22:40	blip99	for /boot do I also enable boot flag?  it's enabled on the FAT32 /boot/efi already
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2021-05-21 07:22:50	blip99	also, for / luks or luks2?
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2021-05-21 07:23:00	jjakob	so when I install ubuntu or debian now I start the installer, switch to a terminal and manually create my partitions and filesystems
2021-05-21 07:23:08	blip99	I read some posts online that grub2 supports luk2, but not quite
2021-05-21 07:23:08	oxek	blip99: it's not strictly necessary on a UEFI system, but it does not hurt if you give /boot boot flag
2021-05-21 07:23:18	blip99	+1
2021-05-21 07:23:19	jjakob	blip99: do you have an option of luks1? maybe that's luks
2021-05-21 07:23:28	oxek	jjakob: I do the same, but this is for blip99 using a graphical ubuntu installer
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2021-05-21 07:24:05	oxek	blip99: use luks2 wherever you can
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2021-05-21 07:24:17	triceratux	oops thats the wrong extix link http://www.extix.se/?p=816 he keeps putting out isos :)
2021-05-21 07:24:35	jjakob	blip99: grub2 luks2 support has been added to the master tree but not yet released last I checked (or the release didn't yet make it to stable in debian)
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2021-05-21 07:24:52	blip99	ok i'll test and see if it boots
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2021-05-21 07:25:20	IIIFE	I don't really see a good reason to abandon gtk2 unless there's crippling security flaws in it. The mentality that newer = better isn't good reasoning.
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2021-05-21 07:26:49	oxek	SNS syndrome should make it to the DSM-5
2021-05-21 07:26:56	oxek	SNS = Shiny New Shit
2021-05-21 07:27:25	oxek	DSM-5 = Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition
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2021-05-21 07:28:07	koollman	IIIFE: well, you can probably ask to be the package maintainer for various distributions then
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2021-05-21 07:31:35	blip99	oxek, jjakob:  installer crashed again :D I fired it up from cli, all I get is "Segmentation fault" .  here are the new partition settings i used https://imgur.com/a/RtywaSO
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2021-05-21 07:33:06	triceratux	yeah thats going to be a 21.04 thing probably only in lubuntu. youre likely the first to see it
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2021-05-21 07:33:30	oxek	blip99: I'd really recommend going to 20.04 LTS
2021-05-21 07:33:34	triceratux	might try partitioning from another distro & see if the installer can take it from there o.O
2021-05-21 07:33:47	triceratux	plus stick with lts yep
2021-05-21 07:35:12	oxek	I really don't like how that installer presents information
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2021-05-21 07:39:06	blip99	ok that makes sense, I'll actually try to partition manually outside of the installer first
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2021-05-21 07:41:07	blip99	ah ok i can't choose luks or luks2 in kde partition manager..
2021-05-21 07:41:11	blip99	stupid installer stuff
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2021-05-21 07:41:50	blip99	oh but with ext4 it gives a checkbox "encrypt with luks" and lets me enter a password. ill test that and make the installer use it
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2021-05-21 07:44:05	blip99	oh man.. not freenode. I've been 1.5 decades or more
2021-05-21 07:44:09	triceratux	oh nooooooes /o\
2021-05-21 07:44:32	blip99	This is where you find the real genuine tech people, not on farcebook or gitter or that other flashy stuff
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2021-05-21 07:46:06	rascul	it's almost like nobody knows about the freenode/libera split
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2021-05-21 07:46:24	triceratux	libera has channels https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=Libera.Chat #arch prohibits discussion "Arch is undecided if it will stay with Freenode, discussions about it are offtopic" https://netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23archlinux&net=freenode
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2021-05-21 07:46:51	blip99	oh wow, i wasn't aware of this.  haven't been around much
2021-05-21 07:46:52	 *	triceratux still hasnt finished googling andrew lee
2021-05-21 07:47:12	blip99	shame the last bastion of the old internet seems to be dying...
2021-05-21 07:47:18	IIIFE	I know #slackware is planning on moving ASAP to libera
2021-05-21 07:47:20	triceratux	if only it were true
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2021-05-21 07:47:38	triceratux	centos are moving
2021-05-21 07:47:43	oxek	triceratux: don't give that person the google trends attention
2021-05-21 07:47:52	blip99	oxek: hahaha good point
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2021-05-21 07:47:58	blip99	guys I gotta run back in some hours
2021-05-21 07:48:05	jellyb	it makes a case for matrix
2021-05-21 07:48:08	blip99	Take care. stay on freenode at least till i come back please :)
2021-05-21 07:48:23	jellyb	its decentralized and the projects have control
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2021-05-21 07:48:34	 *	triceratux will use yandex. maybe putin can help us
2021-05-21 07:48:35	oxek	matrix would be nice, if the clients wouldn't be a disaster
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2021-05-21 07:49:17	triceratux	blip99: good work btw. always a pleasure. good luck
2021-05-21 07:50:34	fedorafan	whatever you know it now
2021-05-21 07:50:38	fedorafan	do your choice guys
2021-05-21 07:50:41	rascul	every time i try matrix i am left feeling very unimpressed and i wonder why anyone bothers with it
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2021-05-21 07:53:50	iflema	is there enough life rafts
2021-05-21 07:54:11	rascul	no
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2021-05-21 07:54:34	 *	triceratux continues rearranging the chairs
2021-05-21 07:54:45	iflema	where are the rats going
2021-05-21 07:54:54	 *	rascul moves chairs around
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2021-05-21 07:58:12	Karthy	how do i make weechat use openssl instead og gnutls?
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2021-05-21 07:58:40	triceratux	drRoy ! http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/
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2021-05-21 07:58:43	triceratux	rofl
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2021-05-21 07:59:33	 *	triceratux is glad someone somewhere has some sense :P
2021-05-21 08:00:09	triceratux	Karthy: oops sorry about that. maybe ask on libera
2021-05-21 08:00:17	iflema	:D
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2021-05-21 08:09:46	triceratux	drRoy calls out the github shitposting just like i do :)
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2021-05-21 09:01:48	zzz	what is SMS?
2021-05-21 09:02:03	autopsy	Simple Message Service messages.
2021-05-21 09:02:26	autopsy	Like "u" for "you" and "2" for "to".
2021-05-21 09:02:32	Helenah	zzz, Basically messages like "how r u"
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2021-05-21 09:02:41	autopsy	amirite?
2021-05-21 09:02:48	Helenah	which are cut down are not permitted here because it makes it harder for a non-native speaker of English to understand.
2021-05-21 09:03:09	zzz	got it. thank you
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2021-05-21 09:03:55	Helenah	Imagine if you didn't speak English very well and someone said to you "or8", that would be hard to associate with "Are you alright?" at first.
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2021-05-21 09:04:08	Helenah	zzz, Glad I could help. :)
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2021-05-21 09:04:38	 *	Khaytsus would never figure out "or8" is supposed to mean "are you alright"
2021-05-21 09:04:54	Toadisattva	orate? well I did prepare a speech :P
2021-05-21 09:05:09	zzz	so that's the only explanation needed, and having to explain "no sms" makes the point for itself, right?
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2021-05-21 09:06:01	autopsy	I think SMS means Simple Message Service.
2021-05-21 09:06:01	Helenah	zzz, Yeah, I'm confused by that too, but SMS is a the very protocol that allows phones to send text messages and people adopted that way to typing to keep messages short within the char limit.
2021-05-21 09:06:10	Helenah	SMS is a well known abreviation.
2021-05-21 09:06:42	Helenah	But yeah, it is vague and can be confusing if someone doesn't know what SMS is.
2021-05-21 09:06:46	iflema	what is it
2021-05-21 09:06:46	zzz	Helenah: i get that, but the context confused me. but i get it
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2021-05-21 09:06:59	Helenah	Yeh
2021-05-21 09:07:04	iflema	short mofo speech
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2021-05-21 09:07:28	zzz	"no sms" = "avoid sms like abbreviations"
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2021-05-21 09:08:01	triceratux	cool. now what is infra ?
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2021-05-21 09:08:07	Helenah	iflema, Just because it may feel to you like Freenode is now a sunken ship doesn't mean you can fly around vulgarities in here.
2021-05-21 09:08:08	autopsy	Infrastructure.
2021-05-21 09:08:10	 *	triceratux thinks the ops have lost their minds
2021-05-21 09:08:14	Helenah	Please refrain.
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2021-05-21 09:09:28	peetaur	SMS means simple minded savagery
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2021-05-21 09:26:57	remline	Building my first kernel. I'm issuing "make modules_install", but it seems to literally want *all* modules. I have only built the modules I'm using. How can I install just the modules I built?
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2021-05-21 09:28:21	jim	remline, did you configure the kernel source for those modules?
2021-05-21 09:28:22	SkunkyLaptop	remline: make modules_install will try to install all the things that are marked M in the kernel config...
2021-05-21 09:28:39	jim	yea that
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2021-05-21 09:29:54	jim	it's been like that since they added ability to compile as modules to the kernel
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2021-05-21 09:30:01	_RipFreenode_	https://youtu.be/q0cRlJs7218?t=281
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2021-05-21 09:31:17	remline	Thanks jim, SkunkyLaptop, that makes sense. No, I copied the config from my current kernel (Ubuntu) and then manually built the modules ("make M=") that I needed. Is there an easy way to trim unused modules out of my .config?
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2021-05-21 09:31:44	jim	remline, that config will have all possible modules
2021-05-21 09:32:10	remline	jim: Indeed it does! I started building all modules yesterday, but my computer is too slow to finish that. :)
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2021-05-21 09:32:44	SkunkyLaptop	remline: yeah, you need to config the kernel before you try to build it.
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2021-05-21 09:32:57	SkunkyLaptop	remline: you can't just make modules without making a kernel, too.
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2021-05-21 09:33:51	remline	SkunkyLaptop: I used "make vmlinux" to build the kernel first.
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2021-05-21 09:34:21	jim	remline, and that kernel has the slots built in to accept the modules in the config
2021-05-21 09:34:32	remline	Ooh, "make localmodconfig" looks very promising!
2021-05-21 09:34:33	iflema	remline: you can copy a config and pluging in all your stuff and    make localmodconfig
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2021-05-21 09:35:11	iflema	as in USB devices and stuff
2021-05-21 09:35:56	SkunkyLaptop	remline: on an arm something?
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2021-05-21 09:36:02	remline	Thanks, iflema , I will give that a try
2021-05-21 09:36:20	iflema	remline: plugiin devices you use first
2021-05-21 09:36:26	remline	SkunkyLaptop: No, Intel Core 2 Duo.
2021-05-21 09:36:29	jim	remline, the thing of build all the modules then package them, was inherited from debian... their kernel packages have all the modules possible... and that's used to figure out how to mount / when the kernel package is installed
2021-05-21 09:36:31	iflema	if any
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2021-05-21 09:36:49	SkunkyLaptop	remline: no ram?
2021-05-21 09:37:18	remline	jim: If I saw correctly, my build was even including staging modules!
2021-05-21 09:37:19	SkunkyLaptop	remline: on a 10 year old machine, I can compile kernel in under an hour..
2021-05-21 09:37:39	remline	SkunkyLaptop: Does that hour include all modules? That is where I got bogged down.
2021-05-21 09:37:41	SkunkyLaptop	remline: debian makes EVERYTHING a module, so they'll be there if you need them.
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2021-05-21 09:38:26	remline	Do I need to start from scratch (make clean) when I change my .config? Or is the build pretty good at picking up necessary config changes?
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2021-05-21 09:38:48	SkunkyLaptop	remline: of course not, that would take forever.  don't include things you don't need.  that also being said, if you told it make vmlinux, that's probalby not what you want.  likely just "make -j3" or something
2021-05-21 09:38:58	iflema	punch it
2021-05-21 09:39:33	remline	SkunkyLaptop: Yep, using my debian-style config is why it took forever then. All modules! :)
2021-05-21 09:39:41	akk	The libera #linux is now invite-only?
2021-05-21 09:39:56	akk	oh and it's now ##linux, yesterday it was #linux
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2021-05-21 09:42:10	remline	But should I do make clean after I do make localmodconfig?
2021-05-21 09:42:22	 *	triceratux pings liberal<bksp>.chat :)
2021-05-21 09:42:22	oxek	akk: are you sure you're looking at the right network? What you described is freenode.
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2021-05-21 09:43:21	akk	Oh, this is libera! Sorry, my hexchat lost its server ordering so I didn't know where I was.
2021-05-21 09:43:47	jim	remline, I would recommend: 1, backup your .config (somewhere -else-), 2, make mrproper, 3, copy the saved .config back to the kernel source dir, and go from there (build kernel and modules). I would also recommend you look into how to build the kernel package (which builds the kernel, and the modules, and packages them)
2021-05-21 09:43:54	akk	Trying right now to figure out how to reorder them ... hexchat claims shift-up and shift-down will do it, but they don't.
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2021-05-21 09:44:31	Despatche	shift + up/down works for me
2021-05-21 09:44:41	akk	Probably quitting and editing the config file will turn out to be the answer.
2021-05-21 09:44:49	Despatche	that works too
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2021-05-21 09:44:55	remline	jim: Thanks for your help, I'll give it a go. I don't have any customized configs; I just copied it from /boot.
2021-05-21 09:45:24	akk	Shift-up in the network list just focuses the next server up, it doesn't move the current server.
2021-05-21 09:45:54	jim	remline, well then you might be stuck with building all the modules (which is not too bad)
2021-05-21 09:45:56	SuperSeriousCat	akk, shift + arrows work for me to rearrange
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2021-05-21 09:46:36	akk	In https://github.com/hexchat/hexchat/issues/1239 one person says it works only "After you disable automatic sorting in preferences."
2021-05-21 09:46:53	Despatche	makes sense
2021-05-21 09:46:58	remline	jim: I'm going to use make localmodconfig to trim my .config file
2021-05-21 09:47:13	akk	My out-of-order started after I tried pressing the Sort button, so maybe that set a pref and if I could just find that and unset it, my shift-arrows would work.
2021-05-21 09:47:40	jim	that must have been something new they added; I only heard of it during this conversation)
2021-05-21 09:48:09	remline	jim: If I'm lucky, it will be just the thing to save build time for me.
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2021-05-21 09:48:56	jim	remline, one thing, while you build, you could go for lunch :)
2021-05-21 09:49:03	akk	There's a sort pref under Interface/Channel switcher but it's unchecked. That's the only one I can find.
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2021-05-21 09:49:40	remline	jim: Always a sound idea! Although yesterday, my all modules build took six hours before I cancelled it... heh.
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2021-05-21 09:51:21	jim	remline, lunch, dinner and breakfast then... wow, 6 hours... no wonder you're fretting about that
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2021-05-21 09:52:03	remline	Thanks again, jim, if all goes well I will be back to report.
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2021-05-21 09:52:49	akk	Well, editing the file almost worked, the last two servers still show out of order. I wonder if #hexchat has moved servers yet.
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2021-05-21 09:53:18	akk	(oh, nm, that was meant for the libera channel, I'm so confused!)
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2021-05-21 09:54:05	triceratux	akk: itll become clear over time. just stay informed http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/
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2021-05-21 10:02:56	Elodin	is there a way for me to pass a path for sed to act on?
2021-05-21 10:03:28	akk	triceratux: It would be a lot less confusing if I could get hexchat to put servers in the order I expect.
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2021-05-21 10:04:28	akk	Elodin: sed acts on its standard input if you don't give it a file.
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2021-05-21 10:05:19	ayecee	Elodin: in other words, give it a path and it will act on it.
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2021-05-21 10:17:26	shan	what is SMS
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2021-05-21 10:17:55	triceratux	does seem to lack some context eh ?
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2021-05-21 10:18:18	triceratux	we live in a time of assumptions, axioms, & givens
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2021-05-21 10:18:43	RayTracer	was there a time when we didn't?
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2021-05-21 10:21:04	akk	"no SMS" in the topic is pretty confusing, if you haven't been around this channel for a while already
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2021-05-21 10:21:37	akk	When I read it, I thought "do they mean private messages?" and then realized it was the abbreviation thing.
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2021-05-21 10:22:28	oxek	the /topic needs to be modified
2021-05-21 10:22:30	akk	(Nobody I know uses abbreviations like that in SMS anyway, I've really only seen it on IRC.)
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2021-05-21 10:26:52	jim	oxek, how so? (just sat down)
2021-05-21 10:27:07	triceratux	heres my idea. the topic should be a single url pointing to a termbin post with links to a bunch of websites purporting to explain why this channel is so weird
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2021-05-21 10:28:01	oxek	jim: the SMS part
2021-05-21 10:28:04	akk	There are lots of channels where the topic is a url you're supposed to go read, but I doubt most people actually do.
2021-05-21 10:28:06	jim	well I have a better site than termbin... we'd have to alter it from time to time, which is possible
2021-05-21 10:28:09	oxek	I see a lot of people asking for explanation of it
2021-05-21 10:28:22	oxek	so it would probably be best to explain it a bit in topic, or use different wording
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2021-05-21 10:28:41	akk	One channel I'm on explicitly asks newcomers to go read the IRC guide and agree to it, since they'll never read it on their own.
2021-05-21 10:28:47	jim	oxek, oh, because some people don't understand?
2021-05-21 10:28:55	oxek	not just some, but a few
2021-05-21 10:29:15	oxek	when I looked at it for the first time, I also didn't know what it meant
2021-05-21 10:29:31	triceratux	it means literally nothing to the uninitiated, yeah
2021-05-21 10:29:35	akk	But if there was a link in the topic, at least you could point to that when someone does use ur or whatever.
2021-05-21 10:29:39	oxek	at least call it "SMS-speak" or similar
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2021-05-21 10:29:43	jim	ok
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2021-05-21 10:29:55	jim	I'll figure a way to deal with all this
2021-05-21 10:30:07	akk	"No SMS speak" would be a lot clearer than "No SMS".
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2021-05-21 10:31:43	jim	is it that you find yourself having to explain that part of the topic?
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2021-05-21 10:34:01	jim	I'll at least make that change
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2021-05-21 10:34:59	@jim	Infra is officially in place on irc.libera.chat. We're still here, at least for a while. No SMS-speak (like u, ur, etc). Pastebin: <command> | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-05-21 10:35:18	--	jim has changed topic for ##linux from "Infra is officially in place on irc.libera.chat. We're still here, at least for a while. No SMS. Pastebin: <command> | nc termbin.com 9999" to "Infra is officially in place on irc.libera.chat. We're still here, at least for a while. No SMS-speak (like u, ur, etc). Pastebin: <command> | nc termbin.com 9999"
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2021-05-21 10:35:46	@jim	is that any better?
2021-05-21 10:35:52	akk	jim: That's very clear, thanks!
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2021-05-21 10:36:12	oxek	much better, thank you
2021-05-21 10:36:42	blip99	triceratux: "blip99: good work btw. always a pleasure. good luck".   Thanks buddy :)
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2021-05-21 10:37:20	blip99	thanks oxek and jim and jjakob for the help earlier :)
2021-05-21 10:37:31	oxek	blip99: all good now?
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2021-05-21 10:38:19	jim	blip99, do you have a more modern machine than that laying around?
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2021-05-21 10:38:28	blip99	talked to the lubuntu guys, the installer shouldn't even list luks and luks2 in the filesystem selection.  I should choose ext4 and tick the "encrypt" box
2021-05-21 10:38:30	blip99	so I'll try that now
2021-05-21 10:39:25	blip99	ie it's an installer bug
2021-05-21 10:40:06	blip99	ok it's installing succesfully now it looks like :)
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2021-05-21 10:58:14	blip99	ok I just read about the freenode storm, that's really sad.  Who benefits in the end, wealthy corporations and their share holders benefit from this blow to the open-source community
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2021-05-21 10:58:37	blip99	I'm so sick of this shit, it's just getting more and more brazen especially in the pandemic
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2021-05-21 10:58:50	blip99	legal robbery in broad daylight..
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2021-05-21 10:59:59	ananke	what 'wealthy corporations and their share holders'?
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2021-05-21 11:01:37	blip99	ananke: the system this lee guy operates in or under, i don't know the guy and don't want to judge him but the article paints a typical corporate type looking to turn irc into a profitable "business"
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2021-05-21 11:02:30	ananke	blip99: there are no share holders, there is no publicly traded company
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2021-05-21 11:02:48	Toadisattva	as long as freenode allows free access and keeps things like vpn and tor support how much can they really profit from it?
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2021-05-21 11:03:45	blip99	ananke: I understand, I'm making a philosophical/conceptual point.  He's following the path/rules of that world - and that world is at odds with our beliefs and values in the open source community.  imo..
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2021-05-21 11:04:21	ananke	blip99: what you're doing is making a hyperbole. there's no need to go to such extent
2021-05-21 11:04:28	blip99	Toadisattva: maybe you're right, this still seems shady to me nonetheless
2021-05-21 11:04:33	Kolas	https://www.irc.com/lets-take-irc-further
2021-05-21 11:04:53	Kolas	IRC Ventures (VC/Incubation on IRC!)
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2021-05-21 11:05:01	Kolas	IRC Gaming (We're going to have literally hundreds of thousands in cash prizes!)
2021-05-21 11:05:05	Kolas	blabla
2021-05-21 11:05:59	blip99	ananke: maybe a bit - but have you seen the world the last 2 years? have you seen the wealth inequality, the starvation, the tax avoidance etc..  I think it's time for a little more outrage ;)
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2021-05-21 11:06:41	blip99	wow Kolas!  I hadn't seen this page
2021-05-21 11:06:48	ananke	blip99: sure, but here is not the place.
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2021-05-21 11:06:53	blip99	Anyways, maybe the guy means well
2021-05-21 11:07:08	Toadisattva	that letter makes him sound pretty not evil
2021-05-21 11:07:31	blip99	ananke: sure, not looking for a discussion of it.  but it is the place to discuss what's happening to our community and how to protect it.
2021-05-21 11:07:31	Kolas	venture capital on irc?
2021-05-21 11:07:33	Kolas	gaming?
2021-05-21 11:07:55	blip99	ananke: let me know if there's a specific channel I could take that to of course
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2021-05-21 11:08:13	ananke	blip99: steps have been taken, see topic. you can go rage in #freenode or twitter
2021-05-21 11:08:23	Kolas	.. #libera-offtopic
2021-05-21 11:08:52	Toadisattva	yeah that seems more appro pretty sure #freenode won't have it, since it's supposed to be support not raging about irc politics
2021-05-21 11:09:06	blip99	ok, that makes sense
2021-05-21 11:09:09	blip99	thanks guys
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2021-05-21 11:14:21	remline	jim, hello from my newly-built kernel!
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2021-05-21 11:16:44	jim	remline, contrats :) and now you're building the modules?
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2021-05-21 11:17:41	jim	(I think there is a make modules-install
2021-05-21 11:17:48	jim	)
2021-05-21 11:18:00	remline	jim: Yes, this kernel has 117 loadable modules. Much better than the 5800 that my original .config wanted to build.
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2021-05-21 11:28:08	davros	whats the status of the x32 ABI
2021-05-21 11:28:13	davros	how well supported etc
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2021-05-21 11:30:39	phogg	davros: the last thing I heard about it was that it was, if not defunct, at least no longer actively being worked on (and kind of a dead end)
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2021-05-21 11:32:52	davros	thats a shame
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2021-05-21 11:37:51	henistein	when I use 'who am i' I get 'user pts/x date time' , I want to make a program in c to print that x
2021-05-21 11:38:00	henistein	there is some system call to do it?
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2021-05-21 11:44:01	iekfkk	i see no firewall rules on iptables , but laptop can ssh into desktop, but android phone termux ssh fails???
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2021-05-21 11:44:31	peetaur	henistein: it's probably something in procfs (/proc/$$/...) ...and things in procfs probably also have syscall alternatives
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2021-05-21 11:45:01	iekfkk	i see no firewall rules on iptables , but laptop can ssh into desktop, but android phone termux ssh fails???
2021-05-21 11:45:02	sumthing1980	hello is there a way to force spindown of a hdd? I got one that sometimes does stuff even though it is supposedly unmounted
2021-05-21 11:45:07	iekfkk	 i see no firewall rules on iptables , but laptop can ssh into desktop, but android phone termux ssh fails???
2021-05-21 11:45:08	peetaur	iekfkk: use tcpdump or wireshark to see if the packet even gets there before you suspect firewall
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2021-05-21 11:45:14	iekfkk	hi
2021-05-21 11:45:17	iekfkk	kf
2021-05-21 11:45:19	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:21	iekfkk	e
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2021-05-21 11:45:28	iekfkk	q
2021-05-21 11:45:28	peetaur	sumthing1980: maybe it's smartd?
2021-05-21 11:45:34	iekfkk	ef
2021-05-21 11:45:37	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:39	iekfkk	f
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2021-05-21 11:45:42	sumthing1980	no idea and it doesnt happen  every day
2021-05-21 11:45:43	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:45	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:47	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:49	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:51	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:53	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:55	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:55	sumthing1980	iekfkk: stfu
2021-05-21 11:45:57	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:45:59	iekfkk	f
2021-05-21 11:46:01	iekfkk	f
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2021-05-21 11:46:09	sybariten	kick ban please
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2021-05-21 11:46:18	iekfkk	oh god i didn't knew i was typing in chat, i was just typing
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2021-05-21 11:46:23	steven	just /ignore it sumthing1980 -
2021-05-21 11:46:31	iekfkk	and scroll was up, so i get new lines
2021-05-21 11:46:31	sumthing1980	eheh
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2021-05-21 11:46:40	sybariten	ah ok
2021-05-21 11:46:41	iekfkk	i kept wondering why new lines
2021-05-21 11:46:50	sumthing1980	ok so now back to my problem
2021-05-21 11:47:00	sumthing1980	how to force spindown of hdd
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2021-05-21 11:47:15	steven	turn off the machine
2021-05-21 11:47:22	sumthing1980	very smart of you
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2021-05-21 11:48:15	iekfkk	peetaur: via laptop i can ssh, tcpdump on desktop or phone? ssh into desktop works only via laptop, it used to work via phone
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2021-05-21 11:49:08	peetaur	iekfkk: tcpdump everywhere you can... if it's not iCrud you can probably do it on the phone too
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2021-05-21 11:50:07	sybariten	hello! This could be a CUPS issue, but anyhow here goes. I'm tryuingf to compile a driver for a thermal printer. The driver is specifically for this printer (and some others) according to the manufacturer, Star, who also supplied the driver archive along with detailed instructions.
2021-05-21 11:50:37	iekfkk	peetaur: icrud? i am on android
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2021-05-21 11:52:17	peetaur	iekfkk: android qualifies as "not iCrud"
2021-05-21 11:52:27	iekfkk	what's iCrud bro
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2021-05-21 11:53:08	sybariten	I'm on Ubuntu 18.04 and when i try to "make" the aforementioned driver, i get this outpuit:  https://pastebin.com/1ravSmgy
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2021-05-21 11:56:03	iekfkk	ssh: connect to host 10.0.0.3 port 22: Connection timed out
2021-05-21 11:56:11	iekfkk	peetaur:
2021-05-21 11:56:22	iekfkk	it's screwed and tcpdump doesn't show the connection
2021-05-21 11:56:42	peetaur	iekfkk: iCrud is locked down apple garbage
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2021-05-21 11:57:19	peetaur	iekfkk: so then find a place in between the 2 defices where tcpdump shows them.  (and if you have multiple interfaces, make sure it picked the right one.... or use -i otherinterface)
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2021-05-21 11:58:08	phogg	heinrich5991: I don't know the answer but in your shoes I would get the source code to 'who' and start reading to find out.
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2021-05-21 12:03:37	treefrob	sumthing1980, have you looked at hdparm?
2021-05-21 12:03:43	sumthing1980	looking now
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2021-05-21 12:03:55	sumthing1980	hdparm -Y does something like it
2021-05-21 12:04:07	sumthing1980	https://askubuntu.com/questions/39760/how-can-i-control-hdd-spin-down-time
2021-05-21 12:04:38	iekfkk	peetaur: tcpdump output is too big
2021-05-21 12:04:38	sumthing1980	I have already set spindown time to low
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2021-05-21 12:04:54	sumthing1980	but sometimes it does some weird stuff I can hear the head moving
2021-05-21 12:05:00	sumthing1980	although it is unmounted
2021-05-21 12:05:10	sumthing1980	maybe someone spying on it
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2021-05-21 12:05:23	iekfkk	21:34:50.439300 IP 10.0.0.2.54550 > 239.255.255.250.1900: UDP, length 125 .... seems udp packet for ssh
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2021-05-21 12:06:24	peetaur	iekfkk: filter it... lik  tcpdump -nn port 22 and host 192.168.999.999
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2021-05-21 12:07:18	sumthing1980	is sata meant to be hotpluggable? can I remove add harddrives while the pc is on?
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2021-05-21 12:07:39	sumthing1980	and if so how can I make the computer see new harddrives
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2021-05-21 12:09:46	peetaur	sumthing1980: make sure bios is set to AHCI, and if there's a "hot plug" option, make sure it's enabled. Somehow amazingly some machines have it in IDE by default, or even servers can have hot plug disabled...
2021-05-21 12:10:09	peetaur	sumthing1980: if you're already booted, you can see if it's AHCI easily in dmesg...just grep ahci or find /sys -name sda and it'll be in there somewhere; not sure about checking hot plug status
2021-05-21 12:10:10	sumthing1980	dont know the difference but Ill check next time
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2021-05-21 12:10:42	peetaur	a side effect of "hot plug = yes" is that windows will show all your disks in the "safely eject hardware" thingy :D :D so maybe that's why they sometimes disable it?
2021-05-21 12:11:15	sumthing1980	ahci 0000:00:1f.2: version 3.0
2021-05-21 12:11:17	sumthing1980	is that it
2021-05-21 12:11:32	sumthing1980	anyway it doesnt see new drive, I gotta reboot I think
2021-05-21 12:11:32	peetaur	I don't know if it means your disk is, but it seems to say a driver or hardware is in ahci mode
2021-05-21 12:11:48	peetaur	make sure to check the bios when you restart
2021-05-21 12:11:56	sumthing1980	thanks
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2021-05-21 12:12:40	sumthing1980	disk benchmark said my new ssd has 40mb/s reading speed, I forgot it is on a usb sata adapter
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2021-05-21 12:13:43	iekfkk	sudo tcpdump -nn port 22 and host 10.0.0.3 #and seems wrong in tcpdump parameter
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2021-05-21 12:13:56	peetaur	usb3 is pretty good at sequential async...but is awful at random io
2021-05-21 12:14:04	iekfkk	peetaur:  what's the actual formal cmd
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2021-05-21 12:14:18	iekfkk	dont use computers dont understand your english words
2021-05-21 12:14:56	peetaur	my tcpdump command was correct syntax, just a dummy IP (replace the 999's)
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2021-05-21 12:15:46	iekfkk	i did but no packets on desktop ip 10.0.0.3
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2021-05-21 12:17:05	peetaur	you said ssh, right? that's 22 ...if not, try another; or just get rid of the "port 22 and"
2021-05-21 12:17:10	iekfkk	should the ip be of the phone and not the desktop ssh server
2021-05-21 12:17:33	peetaur	if you say just "host" not "src host" or "dest host", then it's either
2021-05-21 12:17:39	iekfkk	seems like ip should be of the client and not server?
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2021-05-21 12:17:55	peetaur	it's whatever you feel gives you what you want and filters out the noise
2021-05-21 12:18:00	peetaur	maybe you only need port 22
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2021-05-21 12:18:45	iekfkk	with that too same problem no received packet,
2021-05-21 12:18:47	peetaur	or    port 22 and not host ${yourdesktopip}   if only your phone and desktop do this and you don't want spam from ssh on the desktop (it'll amplify...tcpdump output going to your desktop will be reported by tcpdump, causing output, etc.)
2021-05-21 12:19:01	peetaur	so find more places to put tcpdump or equivalent
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2021-05-21 12:19:40	peetaur	if you can't put one in an important place...maybe you can put a machine in between with a bridge and tcpdump on the bridge; but at this point, probably you can find and solve it faster by guessing rather than carefully inspecting
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2021-05-21 12:20:06	peetaur	did you check that your routes are good and your subnet mask matches?
2021-05-21 12:20:20	iekfkk	no
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2021-05-21 12:21:28	iekfkk	it matches but what about routes being fine
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2021-05-21 12:23:09	sumthing1980	peetaur: could not find ahci
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2021-05-21 12:23:45	sumthing1980	researching
2021-05-21 12:24:51	triceratux	"A meeting agenda on git is found and looks very different from what is being portrayed by former staff to the public" https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/raw/main/static/files/on-freenode.pdf
2021-05-21 12:25:02	triceratux	ah it was the git coup after all :D
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2021-05-21 12:26:05	triceratux	those were interesting folks tho. glad they found a new home
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2021-05-21 12:28:58	patanga	how to convert ps to pdf with the groff command?
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2021-05-21 12:29:21	patanga	-Tpdf outputs ps. how to have ps as input?
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2021-05-21 12:37:22	lesshaste	This is an odd question but how can I print a pdf? I am in evince and see no print option
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2021-05-21 12:38:49	nate444	Why do coredumps have exclaimation marks in their path? I'm been trying to find the history on it but haven't managed to find
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2021-05-21 12:46:58	akk	lesshaste: There is a print button in evince, but it doesn't say print, it just has a hard-to-decipher printer icon.
2021-05-21 12:47:23	lesshaste	akk, thanks. that is very annoying indeed
2021-05-21 12:47:34	akk	lesshaste: If you click the hamburger menu button, along the top there's an icon, top left.
2021-05-21 12:47:41	lesshaste	got it now
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2021-05-21 12:48:14	akk	I agree it's annoying. I wish it worked to just lp file.pdf, but that usually ends up spewing out lots of garbled pages so I've stopped trying it.
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2021-05-21 12:50:51	sybariten	Just wanted to say that my former question about a compile problem has been resolved by getting a newer driver
2021-05-21 12:50:59	jim	akk, what could be happening, is when you do the lpr thing, it's not checking what kind of file it is, and therefore how to print it
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2021-05-21 12:51:57	akk	jim: Right. This may mean that the print filters aren't as smart as they used to be (lp file.pdf used to work, back in the Pleistocene).
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2021-05-21 13:12:02	de-facto	is it possible to prevent chromium to ever try to write in its config directory?
2021-05-21 13:12:24	de-facto	it seems it tends to corrupt it and end up in a state where it would not start anymore
2021-05-21 13:12:27	Prestige	maybe change permissions?
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2021-05-21 13:12:41	de-facto	how?
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2021-05-21 13:13:25	koollman	I dont think I've ever seen chromium trash its directory on its own, even on raspberry pi rebooted rather harshly. But, yeah, removing the right to write might be a way (although it may refuse to start, complaining about it)
2021-05-21 13:13:51	de-facto	happened many times for me
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2021-05-21 13:14:49	de-facto	yeah it refuses to start when it cant write
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2021-05-21 13:15:29	de-facto	it gets worse with every release
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2021-05-21 13:15:37	Prestige	I wonder why it's corrupting its own config
2021-05-21 13:15:48	Prestige	Firefox ftw
2021-05-21 13:15:48	de-facto	buggy software i guess
2021-05-21 13:16:15	de-facto	is there a way to let it write but without effect?
2021-05-21 13:16:34	de-facto	e.g. as soon as it gives up its handle file gets restored to its original state?
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2021-05-21 13:19:35	de-facto	maybe i could copy over the whole directory everytime it starts
2021-05-21 13:19:53	de-facto	i wish it just would not write if it is that buggy
2021-05-21 13:20:34	de-facto	at first start i could not even set the languages correctly, the UI just would not update (moving up and down languages etc)
2021-05-21 13:20:42	de-facto	then next start it did reflect the changes
2021-05-21 13:21:21	de-facto	before it would end up in corrupted state every few weeks, without me changing anything in settings (not even opening them) or changing any extensions or such
2021-05-21 13:21:35	de-facto	just out of the blue, idk maybe it choked on its own database updates?
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2021-05-21 13:21:44	Echoz	A way to stop it from writing would be to kill it and use firefox instead :^)
2021-05-21 13:22:00	rascul	kill it with firefox
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2021-05-21 13:22:07	de-facto	hence i dont want it to be able to change a state where it is fully configured and able to start
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2021-05-21 13:23:17	rascul	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hldbhg0avXA
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2021-05-21 13:40:20	rascul	we'll know next year
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2021-05-21 13:46:39	triceratux	hrm the /etc/hosts file on antix 19.4 is 2.5M
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2021-05-21 13:48:20	triceratux	https://paste.gnome.org/pelqkzlkk
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2021-05-21 13:52:24	Ckat	the page you are looking for does not exist
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2021-05-21 13:55:06	triceratux	awww gee & i excerpted it so deftly as well
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2021-05-21 13:56:29	triceratux	its really not possible to be far enought from gnome :) https://paste.opensuse.org/34561840
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2021-05-21 14:01:56	treefrob	what is the IRC mode command to stop unregistered users from spamming me?
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2021-05-21 14:02:07	Prestige	+R
2021-05-21 14:02:17	KindOne	/mode treefrob +R
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2021-05-21 14:02:25	treefrob	thanks!
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2021-05-21 14:34:00	oxek	I wonder what yall are doing that makes people spam you. I never receive PM spam, and I'm not +R ever
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2021-05-21 14:34:09	oxek	is it just the channels you frequent?
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2021-05-21 14:35:30	Prestige	Who knows
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2021-05-21 14:37:38	maxrazer	Does anyone know how to make xmodmap changes permanent?
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2021-05-21 14:38:06	triceratux	sure run xmodmap in a script that runs when x starts
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2021-05-21 14:39:42	triceratux	ah the github agents on liberal backspace dot chat are spamming irc users
2021-05-21 14:40:15	triceratux	loveya m$. loved yer browser too
2021-05-21 14:41:58	ananke	triceratux: seriously, get a damn grip on reality
2021-05-21 14:42:20	ananke	your ranting is asinine
2021-05-21 14:42:43	c705	ananke: i think *everyone* needs to take a step back on this whole libera thing. I'm getting sick of the grandstanding
2021-05-21 14:42:56	c705	not directed at you, just an open vent in general
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2021-05-21 14:43:18	ananke	c705: certainly. no need to keep rehashing it at this point, not here especially
2021-05-21 14:43:33	triceratux	ananke: have you read drRoy ? he put the lee pdf on his site http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/ http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/lee-side.pdf
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2021-05-21 14:44:05	ananke	triceratux: I don't plan to, and I'd appreciate if you kept this off-topic drivel to yourself
2021-05-21 14:44:20	triceratux	you folks have a channel to go to
2021-05-21 14:44:21	petrj	oftc then?
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2021-05-21 14:45:12	triceratux	i plan to be uninformed, start a new channel, & tell folks in the old channel to shut up
2021-05-21 14:45:22	triceratux	support free software
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2021-05-21 14:45:55	ananke	triceratux: your demented drivels should find a different venue
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2021-05-21 14:49:26	porky	how does one find the ip-range(s) for an isp ?
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2021-05-21 15:03:48	peetaur	porky: you can whois the ip to see that particular block...but it isn't all their blocks
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2021-05-21 15:04:25	porky	peetaur, where do I find all their blocks?
2021-05-21 15:04:35	rkleef	porky: https://www-public.imtbs-tsp.eu/~maigron/RIR_Stats/index.html is a really useful site.
2021-05-21 15:04:41	peetaur	if I knew off hand I would have told you but I don't know
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2021-05-21 15:07:09	rkleef	Although you can only really easily get a proper list for RIPE.
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2021-05-21 15:16:54	henistein	How to check the shell instance? By the way there is some system call so I can run a simple c program that outputs the shell instance?
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2021-05-21 15:19:10	stormbreaker	henistein, you could echo the $SHELL var
2021-05-21 15:19:43	ananke	henistein: what exactly would 'shell instance' be? PID?
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2021-05-21 15:20:44	henistein	Imagine I have two terminals opened, I have two instances
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2021-05-21 15:21:29	ananke	they're not related in this context, so those are not really instances. they're just separate processes
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2021-05-21 15:22:32	henistein	but there is some way to check the id?
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2021-05-21 15:22:43	Prestige	echo $PPID?
2021-05-21 15:22:45	ananke	PID would be probably what you want. It's not like there is some kind of identifier 'shell instance #1, shell instance #2'. It's unlikely that the terminal emulator informs each shell
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2021-05-21 15:48:28	slayne	Hi everyone :)
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2021-05-21 15:49:04	Prestige	hey slayne
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2021-05-21 15:55:15	porky	https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover
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2021-05-21 15:56:13	CoolerX	what are the exif tools?
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2021-05-21 15:56:18	CoolerX	what is the xmp toolkit? https://www.metadata2go.com/file-info/xmp-toolkit
2021-05-21 15:56:29	CoolerX	what is xmp core 5.5.0 ?
2021-05-21 15:56:46	niflce	seems libera.chat is down
2021-05-21 15:57:17	triceratux	i can still ping it
2021-05-21 15:57:24	kfrench	nnnnnoooooooooo
2021-05-21 15:57:24	Burek	it has been derping, it's back on again
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2021-05-21 15:57:43	slayne	So I switched from Proxmox to KVM last week, still not sure it was a wise decision. I keep scripting tools to automate much of the installation, template copy and then I thrown Ansible into the mix. It's fun though :)
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2021-05-21 16:06:33	locrian9	Is there any 'flash supported' browsers left?  I was using TSBrowser that a chineese vendor suggested to browse onto some hardware I purchased (flash required), but I'm worried after doing a 'netstat -ab' that extra ports may be opening...
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2021-05-21 16:10:50	DLange	you can probably run an ancient distro or Windows in a VM to get some temporary flash support
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2021-05-21 16:13:50	rangergord	A while ago someone here mentioned a tool which can be used to create rpm, deb, AppImage, etc, from a single easy installer definition file. What was it?
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2021-05-21 16:15:43	AF04FB9290474265	At which point does the make nconfig decide on the default arch to configure for?
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2021-05-21 16:19:23	Fr3DBr	Does anyone know, if it's possible to actually hash GRE packets, towards txflow of 82599 by using the inner header instead of the outer header ip information ?
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2021-05-21 16:19:43	Fr3DBr	Because right now, it seems to use only 1 queue, due to the l3 ntupple involved.
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2021-05-21 16:49:48	neoncortex	There is a way to restart ibus? Sometimes it crashes, and if I restart it, graphical applications goes nuts, not recognizing accents
2021-05-21 16:50:46	neoncortex	I mean, how I restart it in a way it works, like in a new session
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2021-05-21 16:53:25	blip-	hi folks, I installed linux today on an 11 year old Lenovo T420.  It comes with integrated graphics as well as discrete graphics (nvidia quadro I think), I can switch in the bios which one gets used
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2021-05-21 16:53:46	blip-	I installed with integrated graphics.  but now if I switch to nvidia in the bios, the OS doesn't boot
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2021-05-21 16:54:08	blip-	It asks for the LUKS decrypt password then just hangs after that.  doesn't reach grub or anything
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2021-05-21 16:54:12	blip-	any thoughts?
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2021-05-21 16:54:25	oxek	which distro?
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2021-05-21 16:56:16	blip-	oxek: I managed to get that Lubuntu 21.04 installed
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2021-05-21 16:58:30	tomreyn	try booting with nomodeset
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2021-05-21 16:59:22	tomreyn	if it work, run    sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall
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2021-05-21 17:00:29	blip-	tomreyn: you mean I boot with nomodeset using "integrated" graphics in bios?
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2021-05-21 17:00:49	blip-	If I choose "discrete graphics", I don't reach grub, so i can't add flags
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2021-05-21 17:02:14	tomreyn	blip-: if it boots to the luks prompt that means you got past grub
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2021-05-21 17:03:01	blip-	tomreyn: are you sure? I have luks on /boot as well, so it's the first thing to appear after bios.  I never see a grub screen to enter kernel flags
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2021-05-21 17:03:22	tomreyn	i meant booting with the "nomodeset" option while the graphics chipset you want to use is active
2021-05-21 17:03:46	tomreyn	if you have /boot luks encrypted then it's grub that decrypts it
2021-05-21 17:04:01	blip-	yes I understand. I just don't know how to access the grub menu
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2021-05-21 17:04:13	blip-	perhaps I can hardcode nomodeset in the grub.cfg then reboot?
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2021-05-21 17:04:31	tomreyn	escape or shift, depending on whether you bios or uefi boot
2021-05-21 17:04:35	blip-	I'm not so familiar with grub2 conf files
2021-05-21 17:04:41	blip-	ah
2021-05-21 17:04:43	blip-	uefi
2021-05-21 17:04:48	blip-	ok i'll give it a tr
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2021-05-21 17:04:57	blip-	i'll spam ESC during the boot process :D
2021-05-21 17:04:57	tomreyn	escape then
2021-05-21 17:05:04	blip-	ty
2021-05-21 17:05:07	tomreyn	dont spam it, hit it once at the right time
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2021-05-21 17:05:14	blip-	back in a bit (hopefully)
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2021-05-21 17:05:29	Lope	I've been using a ZFS mirror to store my valuable data.
2021-05-21 17:05:51	Lope	But considering that btrfs mirror is supposedly stable, and it features auto defrag, I'm thinking of switching to btrfs
2021-05-21 17:05:54	Lope	is it a safe move?
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2021-05-21 17:20:57	cim209	are we moving to libra
2021-05-21 17:21:10	Armand	"we" ?
2021-05-21 17:21:36	cim209	Armand: read the channel topic
2021-05-21 17:22:07	Armand	Fair enough.
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2021-05-21 17:27:06	Lope	But considering that btrfs mirror is supposedly stable, and it features auto defrag, I'm thinking of switching to btrfs
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2021-05-21 17:28:29	blip-	tomreyn: no luck I couldn't enter a grub boot screen :/  Esc in the first screen just took me to some bios diagnostic. and F12 took me to some kind of boot menu that looked like grub but wasn't (I think the uefi boot menu)
2021-05-21 17:28:35	blip-	and i couldn't add any kernel flags there
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2021-05-21 17:33:10	sybariten	does anyone know what cups printer URIs normally look like? I have an android app where i can enter "a complete URI and printer name" to a printer in my network. For the first row they have the following example left: http://server.tld:631/printers/Printer_Name
2021-05-21 17:33:51	sybariten	They actuially have another choice to just enter an IP for a machine thats supposed to have a printer attached, so they can search, but nothing happens when i enter what i think is the right IP
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2021-05-21 17:35:50	akoana	did you try something like   ipp://192.168.1.42   # example ip of the printer
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2021-05-21 17:37:48	blip-	Guys I'm pretty confused by the config system of grub2 every since it came out - in order to add a kernel flag permanently would I add it in /etc/default/grub?  I found 2 strings there one "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT=<lots of stuff>"
2021-05-21 17:38:01	blip-	and GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX=""
2021-05-21 17:38:25	blip-	can I do something like this?   GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="nomodeset"
2021-05-21 17:38:49	blip-	I guess I then need to run update-grub2 or such
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2021-05-21 17:52:26	ranran8888	hi how i can fast kill all the python here ?  ps -eaf | grep python
2021-05-21 17:52:27	henistein	how to get tty number in c?
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2021-05-21 17:53:03	triceratux	pkill -f -SIGKILL python ?
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2021-05-21 18:02:06	henistein	Can I get the tty number in c like a system call? Per example, tty_number() ?
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2021-05-21 18:06:40	akoana	henistein: have a look at  https://github.com/coreutils/coreutils/blob/master/src/tty.c
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2021-05-21 18:08:21	akoana	it's basically  ttyname(STDIN_FILENO)  as described in man 3 ttyname
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2021-05-21 18:12:00	henistein	yeah it works, I just need now to extract just the digit, thanks
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2021-05-21 18:45:33	StephanieStevens	hey guys
2021-05-21 18:45:48	StephanieStevens	i came here asking a while ago about a thing
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2021-05-21 18:46:16	StephanieStevens	so to pass parameters into IDA, you need to do something like `cat | ./ida64`, then from the terminal you can pass whatever
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2021-05-21 18:46:32	StephanieStevens	i need to pass special non-ascii characters into it, so copy paste doesn't seem to be working right
2021-05-21 18:46:53	StephanieStevens	is there a way to pipe output from one console, into the other, similar to how the cat is piping stdout -> ida?
2021-05-21 18:47:11	StephanieStevens	for example `python whatever.py | ida64`, but from another terminal
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2021-05-21 18:48:31	ach	lol
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2021-05-21 19:06:27	StephanieStevens	guys, anyone know how to pipe from one terminal into another?
2021-05-21 19:06:40	treefrob	StephanieStevens, look at named pipes (mknod)
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2021-05-21 19:07:24	treefrob	aka "FIFO"
2021-05-21 19:07:37	StephanieStevens	ah, that looks usable
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2021-05-21 19:07:43	StephanieStevens	let me try, thanks!
2021-05-21 19:07:57	treefrob	but my feeling is that your approach is wrong
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2021-05-21 19:08:43	StephanieStevens	i think so too, the context is that i need to pipe into an app, without terminating it (i.e. the app runs in the background)
2021-05-21 19:09:03	StephanieStevens	so i do something like `cat | ./app` and then the app runs in the background, and i can enter parameters into the terminal
2021-05-21 19:09:24	StephanieStevens	i just need to be able to send data from something like a perl -e print whatever, into that terminal
2021-05-21 19:09:26	treefrob	and btw: "cat | ./program" means you ask "cat" to read everything from stdin and dump it on to stdout, and connect cat's stdout to ./program's stdin. See anything superfluous here?
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2021-05-21 19:10:07	StephanieStevens	stdin will be piped into the program anyway?
2021-05-21 19:10:07	treefrob	you are writing this "app"?
2021-05-21 19:10:32	StephanieStevens	no, it's IDA64, a disassembler
2021-05-21 19:10:51	treefrob	if ./program really does expect something on stdin, then when you run it in the foreground you can simply type to it
2021-05-21 19:11:11	StephanieStevens	but how do i write it from another terminal?
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2021-05-21 19:11:24	jim	StephanieStevens, it sounds like what you want to do, is have your app wait for a connection, and when it gets it, connect, and receive stuff... when the connecting thing says "end of file", your app would disconnect, and start waiting for more
2021-05-21 19:11:26	StephanieStevens	it does indeed expect it in stdin
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2021-05-21 19:11:49	treefrob	there is a fundamental problem of synchronicity and context in your description above
2021-05-21 19:11:53	StephanieStevens	jim, that's the thing, the program is supposed to run in the background, otherwise i have to shut it down and restart each time -- a total hassle :/
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2021-05-21 19:12:15	StephanieStevens	so ideally ./program needs to always run
2021-05-21 19:12:56	treefrob	a program running "in the background" will not have any connection to your interactive shell process
2021-05-21 19:12:59	StephanieStevens	it's a debugger, basically, ./program, which executes a debugged application, stops it, steps it, etc, and you have to send data to stdin to the debugger
2021-05-21 19:13:03	StephanieStevens	why it's designed like that? idk
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2021-05-21 19:13:20	StephanieStevens	it's running in the foreground
2021-05-21 19:13:32	jim	well I'm not too sure of this, but the ./program should wait on a tcp port, and receive stuff over that port (or actually it works a little different)
2021-05-21 19:13:33	StephanieStevens	can i just send stdin to a pid?
2021-05-21 19:13:52	treefrob	not generally, no
2021-05-21 19:14:24	StephanieStevens	damn IDA.. such a great tool with a terribly bad Linux port :/
2021-05-21 19:14:47	treefrob	a program can be written to perform bidirectional communication over some sort of socket, but that requires participation of the program (or perhaps of a wrapper program)
2021-05-21 19:14:49	StephanieStevens	i'll try named pipes
2021-05-21 19:15:28	StephanieStevens	mhm i know, which is why this mechanism isn't ideal
2021-05-21 19:15:35	StephanieStevens	but i feel like there's a trick to it..
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2021-05-21 19:16:02	treefrob	can your program be configured to allow interaction using different methods?
2021-05-21 19:16:14	treefrob	for example, as jim mentioned, via a TCP connection?
2021-05-21 19:16:39	StephanieStevens	let me check, actually.
2021-05-21 19:17:24	jim	you could write a little tool, that connects to the port, then takes all of its stdin and sends it over the port
2021-05-21 19:17:53	StephanieStevens	yah, originally i was going to use netcat
2021-05-21 19:18:07	StephanieStevens	to feed data into it, but it doesn't handle certain characters right
2021-05-21 19:18:26	StephanieStevens	i think the limitation is that IDA uses gdb to debug, that's probably why they have it setup like that
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2021-05-21 19:20:20	akoana	you could also use screen and run ida in it, and then use another screen -S firstscreen -X stuff blabla  to send blabla to the first screen's stdin
2021-05-21 19:20:47	StephanieStevens	^ ah, that sounds possible
2021-05-21 19:21:12	StephanieStevens	i'll try that and named pipes. thanks everyone
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2021-05-21 19:25:14	treefrob	StephanieStevens, Perl and Python are well-known for their ability to "glue" such disparate things together
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2021-05-21 19:27:15	dead	why would you join a network that is employee nazi spam bots to try and force users to join it?
2021-05-21 19:27:40	dead	employing*
2021-05-21 19:27:45	c705	dead: why don't you find a more productive way to spend your time
2021-05-21 19:27:59	dead	im just curious why this channel is migrating to libera
2021-05-21 19:29:05	triceratux	dead: certain individuals in this channel are moving. theyre caught up in the narrative http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/
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2021-05-21 19:29:11	triceratux	its quieter with them gone
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2021-05-21 19:29:37	akoana	StephanieStevens: with screen -X stuff "string"  you have to supply newlines too, so something like   screen -S firstscreen $'ls -l; date\n' is needed... # $'...\n' is to allow to embed newlines with \n in bash
2021-05-21 19:29:38	triceratux	a lot of them didnt belong here to begin with
2021-05-21 19:29:57	dead	well that's good news triceratux
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2021-05-21 19:30:08	phogg	dead: how do you know they're employing spam bots?
2021-05-21 19:30:29	phogg	having received spam is not the same as it having been directed by the people setting up the new network
2021-05-21 19:30:32	dead	because they keep spamming all the channels im in
2021-05-21 19:30:47	phogg	in fact it's been so inept I would assume it's just trolling
2021-05-21 19:31:02	c705	triceratux: that's rich coming from a guys site I can't even read properly
2021-05-21 19:31:20	c705	dead: / /mode dead +R
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2021-05-21 19:32:11	triceratux	phogg: rasengan sent an alert awhile ago [Global Notice] We are aware of the Libera Chat spambots and are working to address it.  To help mitigate, please set umode +R to prevent non-registered nicks from messaging you.  Thank you for your patience, and thank you for your support of freenode!
2021-05-21 19:32:15	dead	phogg: https://pastebin.com/yQXYwBv7
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2021-05-21 19:32:52	triceratux	still could be a false flag
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2021-05-21 19:33:03	dead	yeah, libera staff claiming its not them
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2021-05-21 19:33:32	dead	could just be agent provacatuers or something
2021-05-21 19:33:43	dead	c705: good advice, thanks
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2021-05-21 19:38:06	Smashcat2	Hi, I'm on Ubuntu 20.04 - anyone know what is setting the line in /resolv.conf to "search DOMAINS" ? Tried to override it in resolvconf but it's always added.
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2021-05-21 20:24:21	KSaunderson	hi guys, happy friday
2021-05-21 20:24:27	KSaunderson	we made it!
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2021-05-21 20:25:05	phogg	dead: believing messages like that is unwise. This is the wild west, after all. If the user doesn't have an appropriate cloak it could be just about anybody claiming just about anything.
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2021-05-21 20:28:49	jim	KSaunderson, hi... just got here?
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2021-05-21 20:29:13	KSaunderson	hey jim yea
2021-05-21 20:29:16	KSaunderson	and there's alot of drama?
2021-05-21 20:29:20	KSaunderson	are we allowed to talk about it or no
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2021-05-21 20:31:07	jim	well I'd say if there's nothing else going on, you can make one comment, say, every 30 mins...  so not a conversation, but you can make one short post about your frustration with it
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2021-05-21 20:31:54	jim	(but, I'd prefer you didn't; it tends to look like spam)
2021-05-21 20:32:22	KSaunderson	no i was wondering if u knew what the F was going on
2021-05-21 20:32:37	KSaunderson	and who names there thing after LIBERIA?
2021-05-21 20:32:43	jim	oh we're still on freenode
2021-05-21 20:32:53	KSaunderson	i take that back, liberia is great place
2021-05-21 20:33:03	c705	liberia != libera
2021-05-21 20:33:24	jim	well libera was an early roman goddess of fertility
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2021-05-21 20:33:24	triceratux	libera = liberal backspace
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2021-05-21 20:34:22	KSaunderson	i see
2021-05-21 20:34:27	KSaunderson	i need to learn to read then
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2021-05-21 20:35:15	jim	KSaunderson, the ops of this channel are here still, and on irc.libera.chat ports 6697 (tls) and 6667 (plaintext)
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2021-05-21 20:36:04	jim	we have a #linux (not ##linux, dunno about that part, there is ## and #, I need to check on what they mean)
2021-05-21 20:36:05	KSaunderson	that's good
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2021-05-21 20:37:13	jim	KSaunderson, so you're welcome to come down, maybe be in both places for awhile... and there are 1 or 2 other choices
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2021-05-21 20:38:17	KSaunderson	do you know of any channels for robotics on linux? thats an area im branching into now
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2021-05-21 20:39:17	jim	I don't personally... but both here and libera have a bot called alis that can assist you in finding channels on their respective networks
2021-05-21 20:39:31	KSaunderson	alrighty thanks
2021-05-21 20:39:40	jim	try starting with: /m alis help
2021-05-21 20:39:45	KSaunderson	yea it will be cool to use linux for something other than corporate IT
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2021-05-21 20:40:28	jim	another for this particular case, /msg alis list robot
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2021-05-21 20:41:10	KSaunderson	oh there's a mr robot
2021-05-21 20:41:11	KSaunderson	goody
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2021-05-21 20:41:40	jim	seattlerobotics looks interesting
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2021-05-21 20:44:13	jim	##robotics might be generally interesting
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2021-05-21 20:46:28	 *	velix registers ###linux
2021-05-21 20:47:02	velix	jim: life is better in ##blockchain
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2021-05-21 20:47:26	KSaunderson	you dont want to put too many # it could backfire
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2021-05-21 20:47:32	KSaunderson	now youre part of some weird group
2021-05-21 20:47:35	triceratux	if andrew lee himself has to op this channel i dont think therll be issues
2021-05-21 20:47:42	KSaunderson	like with brackets
2021-05-21 20:48:03	KSaunderson	parantheses maybe forget which is which
2021-05-21 20:48:07	velix	KSaunderson: ### is the new www
2021-05-21 20:48:24	jim	let's see if I can
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2021-05-21 20:49:05	jim	so we're not there yet
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2021-05-21 20:55:36	autopsy	jim, what do you mean we're not there yet?
2021-05-21 20:55:43	triceratux	rofk
2021-05-21 20:55:44	autopsy	We're here already.
2021-05-21 20:55:47	triceratux	rofl
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2021-05-21 20:56:07	autopsy	Where am I supposed to go other than here?
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2021-05-21 20:56:12	e36freak	there
2021-05-21 20:56:20	autopsy	There is not where its at.
2021-05-21 20:56:33	e36freak	but when will then be now?
2021-05-21 20:56:51	jim	it will, now and then...
2021-05-21 20:56:53	autopsy	When then is not ahead of me.
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2021-05-21 20:57:22	autopsy	Now and later. Future and Present. Black and White. Yin And Yang.
2021-05-21 20:57:35	autopsy	free the cat man du!!!
2021-05-21 20:58:04	jim	autopsy, we do have a place we're preparing... but I need to ask you a favor first...
2021-05-21 20:58:15	autopsy	Whats that jim?
2021-05-21 20:58:22	jim	only join if you're sobre
2021-05-21 20:58:40	autopsy	/kijoin sobr
2021-05-21 20:59:02	autopsy	Rattle me off an IP address jim.
2021-05-21 20:59:17	jim	you haven't answered my request :)
2021-05-21 20:59:17	autopsy	Then discolse to me the channel name and key.
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2021-05-21 20:59:48	autopsy	jim, what is your request?
2021-05-21 21:00:05	jim	only join when you're sobre
2021-05-21 21:00:32	autopsy	I actually am sober all of the time.
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2021-05-21 21:01:12	autopsy	Its just the haloperidol and the caffiene pills makes me go insane on the keyboard and now with my back issue I have nothing else that I can do except use a keyboards.
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2021-05-21 21:01:40	autopsy	jim, you're preparing a place for me?
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2021-05-21 21:01:59	jim	for all of us (if everyone wants to go)
2021-05-21 21:02:03	autopsy	How about ops?
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2021-05-21 21:02:26	jim	they can go too :P
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2021-05-21 21:05:41	jim	so if you tell me you'll only join sober, and won't get drunk/high while you're here, (not negotiable, by the way)
2021-05-21 21:05:51	jim	I'll give you the address
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2021-05-21 21:06:04	e36freak	1234 sober lane
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2021-05-21 21:10:07	Khaytsus	autopsy clearly doesn't know the simple definition of "sober"
2021-05-21 21:10:21	wallacer	hmm I wonder why
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2021-05-21 21:12:09	nvmd	reading about the TZ variable on glibc manual, came up against the first example 'EST+5'. EST is 5 hours _behind_ UTC, so why the '+' and not a '-'?
2021-05-21 21:12:26	KSaunderson	nvmd asking the real questions
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2021-05-21 21:13:35	nvmd	legit question, btw
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2021-05-21 21:13:46	nvmd	I'm new to this stuff
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2021-05-21 21:16:18	autopsy	nvmd, it'd be GMT+5
2021-05-21 21:16:27	autopsy	UTC-7
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2021-05-21 21:16:41	autopsy	Khaytsus, hey.
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2021-05-21 21:17:24	autopsy	jim, I was busy eating tuna Saldd. I'll promise to only join while on my prescribed medications.
2021-05-21 21:18:04	autopsy	No.. Coke. No Blow. No CAndy cane nose Candy.. jim.
2021-05-21 21:18:22	autopsy	No spin me rite up rite now.
2021-05-21 21:18:38	autopsy	Jim, I'm promising you this. So..
2021-05-21 21:18:57	autopsy	jim, you're ssaying where not there yet, what did thart mean?
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2021-05-21 21:19:40	autopsy	I'm typing with my keyboard on a book right now in case you're wondering why I keep typoing. Its to raise it up over the threshold of this table I'm typing from.
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2021-05-21 21:20:06	e36freak	excuses excuses
2021-05-21 21:20:35	nvmd	autopsy: ? GMT+5 isn't in Russia or something?
2021-05-21 21:20:45	autopsy	e36freak, I only make excuses when I'm about to get banned.
2021-05-21 21:21:04	autopsy	nvmd, UTC and GMT are two different areas.
2021-05-21 21:21:28	autopsy	nvmd, I'm saying you probably looked at it wrong.
2021-05-21 21:21:51	nvmd	what do you mean?
2021-05-21 21:22:23	autopsy	EST+5 isn't a timezone. You typed EST+5.
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2021-05-21 21:22:38	e36freak	nvmd: you have a link?
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2021-05-21 21:23:13	autopsy	jim, hit me with a DNS query on the matter.
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2021-05-21 21:23:32	nvmd	e36freak: what kind of link?
2021-05-21 21:23:35	autopsy	Khaystsus.. why did you guys ban me in #Fedora?
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2021-05-21 21:24:04	autopsy	Khaytsus, I was jees playin mango.
2021-05-21 21:24:15	e36freak	to the doc you're looking at
2021-05-21 21:24:28	nvmd	https://www.gnu.org/software/libc/manual/html_node/TZ-Variable.html
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2021-05-21 21:24:37	e36freak	theeere you go
2021-05-21 21:24:43	nvmd	I'm reading about UTC != GMT rn
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2021-05-21 21:25:23	autopsy	UTC is Universal Time Coordinate GMT is Greenwich Mean Time.
2021-05-21 21:26:05	e36freak	it says value you must add to the local time
2021-05-21 21:26:16	e36freak	not to UTC
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2021-05-21 21:26:34	e36freak	oh the value you must add to GET a UTC
2021-05-21 21:26:38	e36freak	that's odd, and seems backwards
2021-05-21 21:26:44	nvmd	mind=blown
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2021-05-21 21:27:13	e36freak	but according to the docs, that's how it is
2021-05-21 21:27:20	e36freak	so flip the sign from how you'd normally think about it
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2021-05-21 21:28:38	nvmd	yeah, I was looking at it the wrong way
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2021-05-21 21:30:55	autopsy	nvmd, MST here is GMT-7.
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2021-05-21 21:31:34	nvmd	which is MST+7=UTC
2021-05-21 21:31:37	nvmd	right?
2021-05-21 21:31:46	klys	it's MDT today, GMT-6
2021-05-21 21:32:06	klys	iow, 7:33pm
2021-05-21 21:32:07	mlu	this, friends, is why we always do timestamps in UTC
2021-05-21 21:32:10	autopsy	jim, Khaytsus, can I ask though what brings about the attitudes anywyays when so many other poeple here floss they're stupidity anyayywyays?
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2021-05-21 21:32:32	mlu	MST is used in Arizona, but MDT is used in the summer in most other states in that time zone
2021-05-21 21:32:41	e36freak	fun fun
2021-05-21 21:32:55	autopsy	MST is in Arizona correct.
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2021-05-21 21:33:07	autopsy	Mountain Standard Time.
2021-05-21 21:33:21	e36freak	are you on a mountain?
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2021-05-21 21:33:37	klys	there are mountains all around me
2021-05-21 21:33:41	autopsy	I'm right on the base of a mountain outside of a military base.
2021-05-21 21:33:51	e36freak	what about the appalacians? or the himalayas? why aren't they on mountain time
2021-05-21 21:33:53	mlu	if it's possible to have interactions with someone with <1day latency, you need to consider all those time zones
2021-05-21 21:34:04	mlu	on the internet, that means you better use UTC
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2021-05-21 21:34:26	klys	e36freak, the himalayas run from east to west
2021-05-21 21:34:29	mlu	what to do with timezones when you have people on Mars, that'll be another interesting case
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2021-05-21 21:34:54	autopsy	Then it'll be Solar time.
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2021-05-21 21:35:24	pnbeast	The Himalayas are on LMT, Lateral Mountain Time, which is also written -2-3-4-5, entirely breaking TZ parsers.
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2021-05-21 21:35:59	autopsy	I ordered some Himilayan pink salt. Nevere got it.
2021-05-21 21:37:08	mlu	:salt:
2021-05-21 21:37:40	klys	鹵
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2021-05-21 21:38:13	mlu	solar time? hmm
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2021-05-21 21:55:45	loganlee	hello my ubuntu freezed after resuming from suspend. how do i troubleshoot the cause?
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2021-05-21 22:20:41	loganlee	hello could you help me identify why my ubuntu box froze (taskbar disappeared) after resuming from suspend?
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2021-05-21 22:32:35	e36freak	klys: i just feel it's discriminatory
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2021-05-21 22:34:11	klys	have you seen the rockies
2021-05-21 22:35:13	loganlee	hey guys how do i find the cause of my ubuntu box freezing after resuming from suspend?
2021-05-21 22:35:27	rascul	turn the heater on
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2021-05-21 22:36:14	klys	loganlee, do you suspect a kernel oops?  had you tried alt+shift+sysrq+f (oomkill) ?
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2021-05-21 22:36:35	loganlee	klys: i rebooted and now it works
2021-05-21 22:37:16	klys	loganlee, your previous kernel messages up to the last it could access your disk should have been logged to /var/log/messages
2021-05-21 22:38:16	loganlee	klys: i've got a bunch of files in /var/log but not messages
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2021-05-21 22:40:05	loganlee	there is logs app in ubuntu but i don't know what that is
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2021-05-21 22:42:48	Nickwiz	/var/log/syslog ?
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2021-05-21 22:45:51	loganlee	i don't know what to look for
2021-05-21 22:46:21	klys	the fist messages are usually about the e820 map and have a timestamp close to 0
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2021-05-21 22:46:32	klys	the first*
2021-05-21 22:46:55	polardroid	journalctl might be useful with -n last things first
2021-05-21 22:47:18	klys	you might be looking for some previous messages, though I doubt it will help you.  you may need a more basic debugging platform.
2021-05-21 22:47:29	Nickwiz	also ls -haltr /var/log and look at times
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2021-05-21 22:49:07	klys	I think linux has a kexec on panic feature, in case it really was a kernel panic you could ask about that, though it would take some expertise to set it up.
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2021-05-21 22:50:30	klys	what I suspect is that Xwayland or some related software may have crashed, in which case you may need to enable your magic sysrq key and read up on how to exit to your terminal.
2021-05-21 22:51:16	klys	you can usually tell if it was a hard freeze by pinging your ip address from another machine on the same network.
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2021-05-21 22:54:46	johnjay	anybody know some good Text-To-Speech options for linux? esp non-english?
2021-05-21 22:55:07	johnjay	input would be a text file in the target language e.g. spanish or french
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2021-05-21 22:56:41	autopsy	Won't a kernel panick drop all subsystems regardless of if it was a freeze or not?
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2021-05-21 22:57:58	loganlee	i posted the question here: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1339875/ubuntu-box-anomaly-after-resuming-from-suspend
2021-05-21 22:58:08	loganlee	it's not really freezing per say but it is broken
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2021-05-21 22:58:24	Nickwiz	Not sure how it is for whole files, but for short snippets "trans" is ok, in case you do not mind using google. Typically trans -speak -no-transalte -download-auio-as some_file.ts "the text"
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2021-05-21 22:59:22	autopsy	I've got a message while compiling rtl88x2bu kernel module, it says Makefile error[2] "no rule to make target "scripts/module.lds" needed by 88x2bu.ko" And Module.symvers missing. Is there anything I can do about it? I need this kernel module.. to compile fully.
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2021-05-21 23:06:23	Helenah	Hi, I have a server which I've configured with the IP address 10.1.1.1, it's hosting VMs, which VM has a 10.1.1.x address. VMs can ping themselves but they can't seem to ping the host or another VM. How do I go about fixing this?
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2021-05-21 23:12:21	autopsy	Helenah, you need an iptables rule to forward traffick on the HOST interface to forward to the VM interface. Then you need 1 back from the VM interface to forward to the HOST interface.
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2021-05-21 23:13:04	autopsy	Helenah.. something like: iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o virbr0 -j ACCEPT
2021-05-21 23:13:25	autopsy	And iptables -A FORWARD -i virbr0 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT
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2021-05-21 23:13:59	autopsy	Helenah are you with me?
2021-05-21 23:14:53	rascul	pretty sure Helenah is against you
2021-05-21 23:15:12	rascul	nobody wants to be with you
2021-05-21 23:15:37	rascul	in a nice way, though
2021-05-21 23:15:54	autopsy	rascul, enough of your shenannigans.
2021-05-21 23:16:05	rascul	never enough!
2021-05-21 23:16:15	autopsy	Its way too much for ##linux.
2021-05-21 23:16:26	rascul	maybe last week
2021-05-21 23:16:45	autopsy	DLAnge, see what I got to put up with, you gotta give me a break man.
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2021-05-21 23:16:47	rascul	but now we may be experiencing the second Great Split
2021-05-21 23:17:03	pnbeast	rascul, I want to be with you.
2021-05-21 23:17:15	rascul	nobody is with me
2021-05-21 23:17:21	autopsy	I want to be left all alone.
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2021-05-21 23:17:26	pnbeast	Okay, how about in the house down the road?
2021-05-21 23:17:32	rascul	sure
2021-05-21 23:17:41	rascul	the house with the blue shutters?
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2021-05-21 23:17:57	pnbeast	Um, no!  They're green.  You can't fool me like that.
2021-05-21 23:18:04	rascul	oh
2021-05-21 23:18:09	rascul	the one on the left, then
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2021-05-21 23:18:19	 *	pnbeast smells a trap.
2021-05-21 23:18:31	rascul	right?
2021-05-21 23:18:44	autopsy	Hey casn somebody git clone this archive and do a make; make install and tell me if they are able to successfully load the kernel module using modprobe?
2021-05-21 23:18:49	autopsy	https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2bu
2021-05-21 23:19:06	pnbeast	Lemme get right on that, autopsy.  That seems sane.
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2021-05-21 23:19:22	autopsy	I need help.
2021-05-21 23:19:34	 *	pnbeast suddenly agrees completely with someone in IRC.
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2021-05-21 23:19:50	rascul	no, don't do that
2021-05-21 23:19:57	rascul	you're ruining irc
2021-05-21 23:20:01	pnbeast	It had to happen sometime.
2021-05-21 23:20:13	rascul	just go to matrix
2021-05-21 23:20:16	rascul	we don't need you anymore
2021-05-21 23:20:29	autopsy	You guys.
2021-05-21 23:20:39	autopsy	jim, help me maybe?
2021-05-21 23:20:42	autopsy	Hey casn somebody git clone this archive and do a make; make install and tell me if they are able to successfully load the kernel module using modprobe?
2021-05-21 23:20:43	rascul	did you just assume our genders?
2021-05-21 23:20:45	autopsy	https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2bu
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2021-05-21 23:24:22	et09	so i'm thinking (with yknow 15 years of experience, just for context), what would it take to have a unified linux package manager
2021-05-21 23:24:30	et09	is it even possible
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2021-05-21 23:24:52	et09	has to have source and binary...first fork in the road is static vs dynamic linking i guess ?
2021-05-21 23:25:00	autopsy	et09, I'll work on one with your if you're down to gobby.
2021-05-21 23:25:08	et09	gobby?
2021-05-21 23:25:15	autopsy	Collaborative editor.
2021-05-21 23:25:30	et09	maybe lol
2021-05-21 23:25:34	et09	but thinking through requirements
2021-05-21 23:26:09	autopsy	et09 what format would you provide packages in?
2021-05-21 23:26:29	et09	that's really part of the question too
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2021-05-21 23:27:36	et09	i guess there's already a few projects aiming to accomplish this
2021-05-21 23:27:38	loganlee	how about snap and flakpak?
2021-05-21 23:27:43	et09	^ including those
2021-05-21 23:28:04	et09	the real obstacle is you want to actually get buy-in from different distros, not just staple something on top
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2021-05-21 23:29:13	et09	and that comes with a steep question of getting them to sacrifice proprietary control of pkg repos
2021-05-21 23:29:33	et09	which opens up a governance question...
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2021-05-21 23:31:43	KSaunderson	why did my python-evdev script break between fedora 33 and fedora 34? python-evdev works to inject chars to the VT console, but not to the wayland session like it used to
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2021-05-21 23:33:41	KSaunderson	due to some changes in wlroot and/or logind?
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2021-05-21 23:39:17	pnbeast	resistfascism, you'd be so proud of me.  Yesterday my boss asked me to finish the TPS cover sheets and I just screamed "FASCIST" at him until he left.
2021-05-21 23:40:20	kfrench	Sounds like someone has a bad case of the Mondays.
2021-05-21 23:40:32	 *	pnbeast hates the printer.
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2021-05-21 23:42:56	Nickwiz	Well, that's what you get for using letter over a four.
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2021-05-21 23:44:44	pnbeast	Once I actually needed A4 paper for a document going, via mail, to another country.  I called four office supply stores until one place said they had it in stock.  I got there and the clerk who'd answered said "oh, I thought you meant 84 lb. paper...".  I just ordered A4 from them, since I was already there.
2021-05-21 23:45:27	Nickwiz	lol
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2021-05-21 23:47:14	Nickwiz	If they had A0 in stock you could have bought that :P
2021-05-21 23:47:54	pnbeast	I'll take a ream of this and a straight edge cutter with a good blade, please.
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2021-05-21 23:48:40	pnbeast	Those wacky foreigners and their ideas on how to shape office supplies...
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2021-05-21 23:54:53	loganlee	guys is libreoffice from staroffice?
2021-05-21 23:55:20	jim	dunno if they have anything to do with each other
2021-05-21 23:55:23	sheep	loganlee: it's a fork of openoffice, which I think is an open source project derived from staroffice
2021-05-21 23:55:43	loganlee	ok cool thanks !
2021-05-21 23:56:36	Nickwiz	From the Star-Division, Company name ftw
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2021-05-22 00:09:18	autopsy	Hey casn somebody git clone this archive and do a make; make install and tell me if they are able to successfully load the kernel module using modprobe?
2021-05-22 00:09:21	autopsy	https://github.com/cilynx/rtl88x2bu
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2021-05-22 00:14:53	jim	autopsy, why can't you do it?
2021-05-22 00:15:17	petrj	i don't "do" microsoft github any more.. :/
2021-05-22 00:15:50	petrj	suggest you to stay away from it as well.. telemetry all over the place and all..
2021-05-22 00:15:57	petrj	just my 2 bitcoins ....
2021-05-22 00:16:08	petrj	.... took like 15yrs. to mine -.-
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2021-05-22 00:22:18	et09	petrj: gitlab?
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2021-05-22 00:24:46	Nickwiz	Apropos telemetry, tested out this thing for fun: https://github.com/Eugeny/terminus , but telemetry in a terminal? Nooo
2021-05-22 00:24:58	petrj	yup, some projects have their selfhosted variants of gitlab i contribute to them too (like alpinelinux, cmake etc.)
2021-05-22 00:25:05	petrj	et09
2021-05-22 00:25:56	et09	i pushed my org to move to gitlab the day of the acquisition, somebody basically overrode me
2021-05-22 00:26:08	et09	but still an option, and self-hosted gitlab is uh
2021-05-22 00:26:09	Nickwiz	Turned off telemetry but it was opt-out, so data sent on first run anyway. + it kept pinging google even if it was turned off. (until restart, but hey)
2021-05-22 00:26:10	et09	amazing
2021-05-22 00:26:11	et09	so
2021-05-22 00:26:58	et09	you know what i've noticed like every frigging terminal chokes on?  you copy and paste something huge, and after the first page or so, it starts going character by character at like 50-100ms each
2021-05-22 00:27:01	Nickwiz	an. With it off, it still kept pinging github every 40 second for "updates".
2021-05-22 00:27:06	et09	possibly over ssh
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2021-05-22 00:27:51	petrj	Nickwiz, yes see https://github.com/dotnet/sdk/issues/6145. you can httpry what's being sent, and it is also documented. they send out arguments, location/path on system as well as device's mac address (and feed it to their mass surveillance system)
2021-05-22 00:28:16	 *	et09 spins up a gitlab
2021-05-22 00:28:17	petrj	github actions,e.g., is using dotnet under the hoods..
2021-05-22 00:28:25	et09	^ ew
2021-05-22 00:28:36	et09	one of my coworkers also into c#/.net
2021-05-22 00:28:43	et09	like just use anything else
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2021-05-22 00:29:55	Nickwiz	petrj: very bad.
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2021-05-22 00:31:03	petrj	so the seemingly good stuff from microsoft is really really not in a good faith.. try working with their open source projects, and if you have worked with a real open source projects (like kernel) before, you will clearly see the difference in stewardship and being "free" and creative..
2021-05-22 00:31:13	et09	i do like typescript
2021-05-22 00:31:19	et09	i resisted it for a long time but like
2021-05-22 00:31:25	et09	if you're gonna do js you need ts
2021-05-22 00:31:58	petrj	yup, disable all telemetry and keep an eye on their tools, they are very creepy.. same story with vcpkg. our networking department caught that fukin tool spying on us..
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2021-05-22 00:32:12	petrj	leme share the link as well for brevity..
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2021-05-22 00:33:06	et09	frankly google/fb scare me more than MS these days
2021-05-22 00:33:21	et09	not that much more, but
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2021-05-22 00:34:32	petrj	https://github.com/Microsoft/vcpkg/issues/3345
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2021-05-22 00:34:48	autopsy	et09, Want to gobby for a minute, just 5 minutes on notes.
2021-05-22 00:35:10	pnbeast	Is that the new way to spell "cyber"?
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2021-05-22 00:35:59	autopsy	et09: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Gobby
2021-05-22 00:36:01	petrj	et09: i'm with your. i don't trust eith "google appearing to be friends of open source" or microsoft or apple or fb or any fuckin corporation trying to make profit in mischievous manner
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2021-05-22 00:36:16	et09	autopsy: just a brainstorming exercise lol
2021-05-22 00:36:22	et09	the package manager thing
2021-05-22 00:36:36	autopsy	et09, yeah we can gobby up some notes.
2021-05-22 00:36:56	autopsy	et09, I have worked developement foe Fedora in the past.
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2021-05-22 00:38:31	et09	ok i have gobby lol
2021-05-22 00:38:31	et09	my usernbame
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2021-05-22 00:39:24	autopsy	et09, ok hold up, et09 is your user?
2021-05-22 00:39:53	pnbeast	ZOMG, don't gobby up right in front of us!  That's disgusting!
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2021-05-22 00:42:09	Helenah	autopsy, Hi, sorry about the delayed response, only just got the message, will be trying it out after a smoke. :3
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2021-05-22 00:42:53	et09	yup
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2021-05-22 00:44:20	autopsy	Helenah. Trust me, it'll work if your substitute eth0 with the internet interface ethernet or otherwise wirelwess doesn't matter.
2021-05-22 00:44:22	petrj	https://theintercept.com/2020/07/14/microsoft-police-state-mass-surveillance-facial-recognition/
2021-05-22 00:45:10	petrj	it is these kinds of platforms they are feeding their data to.. i don't wana be party to this mess :/
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2021-05-22 00:48:38	Helenah	autopsy, Yeah, that didn't seem to work.
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2021-05-22 00:50:11	et09	autopsy: can just use notion lol
2021-05-22 00:50:16	et09	idk about this program
2021-05-22 00:50:31	et09	(man i wish notion was open source)
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2021-05-22 00:55:54	petrj	et09: i believe there are enough FOOS alternatives, we can use them while keeping an eye on them. soon as they turn into a corporation thing, just switch. like the case with github. big corp always come where most people are. i hope my favorite distro will never give into stewardship, but at the same time there are no guarantees, next thing you
2021-05-22 00:55:55	petrj	know someone needed money and they sold..
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2021-05-22 00:56:57	et09	indeed
2021-05-22 00:56:58	autopsy	notion et09?
2021-05-22 00:57:41	autopsy	Helenah, what did you try to do to test that it worked or not?
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2021-05-22 00:58:03	et09	notion.so, nice small wiki-ish service, run by friend of a friend
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2021-05-22 00:58:05	Helenah	autopsy, I tried to ping, my servers aren't blocking ICMP traffic.
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2021-05-22 00:58:10	Helenah	Also tried port scanning
2021-05-22 00:58:20	et09	friends of friend, something like that
2021-05-22 00:58:28	autopsy	Helenah, Ok what actuall command s did you use?
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2021-05-22 00:58:48	Helenah	autopsy, To ping or port scan?
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2021-05-22 00:59:15	autopsy	Helenah, no the iptables rules commands.
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2021-05-22 01:00:10	autopsy	Helenah, look.. -A FORWARD -i enp2s0 (internet routed) -o virbr0 (VM bridge interface) -j ACCEPT
2021-05-22 01:01:17	Helenah	I did... -A FORWARD -i eno3 -o vmbr1 -j ACCEPT
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2021-05-22 01:01:40	Helenah	Wait...
2021-05-22 01:01:54	Helenah	Why do I need to forward internet traffic?
2021-05-22 01:02:02	autopsy	-i is in interface -o is out interface.
2021-05-22 01:02:03	Helenah	I want VMs to be able to access each other on their subnet.
2021-05-22 01:02:16	autopsy	Heleneah, yes ok thats what I mean...
2021-05-22 01:02:57	autopsy	Helenah, so what you need to do is locate the interface name for the VMs not th e eno3
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2021-05-22 01:03:10	Helenah	That would be vmbr1
2021-05-22 01:03:19	autopsy	Yes, ok...
2021-05-22 01:03:30	autopsy	So the hosts interface name is what?
2021-05-22 01:03:56	Helenah	Well the host interface name is eno3
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2021-05-22 01:04:42	autopsy	So thats what you need, to route from the host to the VMs then back from the VMs to the host so that you can add one more rule based on IP address for the subnets.
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2021-05-22 01:05:41	autopsy	Helenah.. Get it p <- -> o -> i -> ->p -> o <- i
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2021-05-22 01:08:35	Helenah	To go into a bit more detail about my setup, eno3 is the internet interface which gives my server an ip of 145.239.254.x, vmbr0 gives my VMs public IPs ranging from 51.195.238.128-143 and vmbr1 is range 10.1.1.x, it's getting 10.1.1.2 or 10.1.1.3 to lets say ping 10.1.1.1 or or other 10.1.1.x IP, even the host can't ping these addresses.
2021-05-22 01:08:48	Helenah	Yes, I understand that rule now.
2021-05-22 01:09:15	autopsy	Ok.
2021-05-22 01:09:26	autopsy	It is the only way to to do it I swear.
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2021-05-22 01:09:36	autopsy	Trust me onm this.
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2021-05-22 01:10:34	autopsy	Then you after adding -i eno3 -o vmbr1 and -i vmbr1 -o eno3 then you can add the subnet rule.
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2021-05-22 01:11:18	Helenah	hmm
2021-05-22 01:11:54	autopsy	Originating on 10.1.1.0 to 10.1.1.0 needs to go to thier respesctive address.
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2021-05-22 01:19:07	Helenah	Yeah still not working, could be because I'm tired. o.o
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2021-05-22 01:25:54	autopsy	Helenah, show me your iptables -L output pastebin it somehwere.
2021-05-22 01:26:29	autopsy	Helenah, I have it working here to ping VMs from the host and to ping the host from the VMs.
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2021-05-22 01:31:42	autopsy	Helenah, the reason I ask to see your iptables -L output is because it sould be still in your VM settings not the hosts iptables rules.
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2021-05-22 01:48:46	Helenah	Oh damn they left! o.o
2021-05-22 01:49:00	Helenah	Anyway, nini guys! :3
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2021-05-22 03:03:31	w0x12ef	what is the diff of linux kernel module and driver module
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2021-05-22 03:03:48	sheep	w0x12ef: there is no difference
2021-05-22 03:03:58	w0x12ef	same?
2021-05-22 03:04:05	sheep	same thing
2021-05-22 03:04:28	sheep	unless you're talking about the xorg/xf86 drivers, but those are userspace drivers that use kernel drivers (kernel modules)
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2021-05-22 03:13:44	w0x12ef	sheep, talk about android binder driver
2021-05-22 03:13:59	sheep	that's a kernel module
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2021-05-22 03:15:20	sheep	wait, no, it's not a module. It's controlled by the CONFIG_ANDROID_BINDER_IPC compile-time kernel configuration variable
2021-05-22 03:17:14	Evidlo	It doesn't read like a complete sentence
2021-05-22 03:17:15	Evidlo	what the hell does 'src refspec XXX does not match any' even mean?
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2021-05-22 03:20:19	grummund	It appears that ext4 has a limit on number of hardlinks per item (65000), anyone know if this is configurable?
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2021-05-22 03:22:47	maddybutt	Hello; I am having a bit of an emergency. Any help would be much appreciated.
2021-05-22 03:22:47	maddybutt	I had some filesystem corruption (bad RAM) and my su and sudo no longer work. I would like to unplug my backup drive and check that everything is intact there before powering down my main system in case I'm unable to boot back in.
2021-05-22 03:22:48	maddybutt	Both my primary drive and my backup drive are Btrfs on LUKS. My backup drive's Btrfs filesystem is not mounted, but its LUKS container is open and in /dev/mapper. Since I don't have root, I can't `cryptsetup close` it.
2021-05-22 03:22:48	maddybutt	Question: Is it safe to physically unplug the drive without closing the LUKS container?
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2021-05-22 03:24:09	sheep	if there are no pending writes, then it should be safe
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2021-05-22 03:24:34	Evidlo	you can run 'sync' as root to be sure
2021-05-22 03:24:49	maddybutt	I can't get root, su and sudo are broken :/
2021-05-22 03:25:05	sheep	what error do su and sudo give?
2021-05-22 03:25:19	SuperSeriousCat	What if you change tty and login as root in there? ctr+alt+Fx
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2021-05-22 03:25:56	maddybutt	Can't login from TTY, I enter my username and press enter and it just pops up another username prompt
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2021-05-22 03:26:02	maddybutt	`sudo echo 1
2021-05-22 03:26:02	maddybutt	bash: /usr/bin/sudo: Input/output error`
2021-05-22 03:26:08	sheep	oh
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2021-05-22 03:26:25	maddybutt	su -
2021-05-22 03:26:25	maddybutt	Bus error (core dumped)
2021-05-22 03:26:54	maddybutt	Oh, also my filesystem was put into RO when the kernel detected corruption
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2021-05-22 03:27:42	sheep	if the filesystem is already RO then rebooting should be safe
2021-05-22 03:28:25	maddybutt	I actually have another drive mounted that has intact /usr/bin/su{,do} but running them gives:
2021-05-22 03:28:47	maddybutt	`/mnt/other-system/btrfs-pool/@/usr/bin/sudo echo 1
2021-05-22 03:29:00	maddybutt	`/mnt/other-system/btrfs-pool/@/usr/bin/sudo echo 1`
2021-05-22 03:29:00	maddybutt	`/mnt/other-system/btrfs-pool/@/usr/bin/sudo: symbol lookup error: /mnt/other-system/btrfs-pool/@/usr/bin/sudo: undefined symbol: sudo_memset_s`
2021-05-22 03:29:20	sheep	osounds like file corruption
2021-05-22 03:29:26	sheep	or drive IO errors
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2021-05-22 03:30:37	maddybutt	it seems to only be my main btrfs filesystem, it got messed up when I booted with a bad RAM overclock on accident. Luckily my backup drive wasn't mounted. I think the hardware is okay.
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2021-05-22 03:32:20	maddybutt	my ram is back to the factory speed now though, this is boot +1 after that happened
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2021-05-22 03:36:01	maddybutt	Do you think it's safer to just poweroff and then take the backup drive to my other machine, or to try to unplug the backup drive while the system is up? I prefer to keep it up because if need be I can copy important files over scp and I worry I won't be able to re-mount the fs or potentially even open the LUKS container after I boot back up. btrfs
2021-05-22 03:36:02	maddybutt	check --read-only reports tons of corruption on the main FS including superblocks
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2021-05-22 03:38:22	sheep	opening the luks container should still work either way. If I trmember correctly, doing that doesn't write anything to the partition, and it doesn't read anything besides the few blocks that make up the LUKS header
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2021-05-22 03:40:13	maddybutt	wow, even my poweroff command is broken.
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2021-05-22 03:41:56	maddybutt	does the sysrq key work on a logged-out TTY?
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2021-05-22 03:42:21	sheep	it should
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2021-05-22 04:02:54	isomari	greetings,  where can I get: X11/extensions/sync.h
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2021-05-22 04:03:34	sheep	isomari: on which distro?
2021-05-22 04:03:51	isomari	ubuntu
2021-05-22 04:04:05	isomari	21.04
2021-05-22 04:04:30	sheep	apt-file search sync.h
2021-05-22 04:04:38	sheep	it's probably in some x11 dev package
2021-05-22 04:05:11	isomari	i found the actual file o the web. Downloading it now. thanks
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2021-05-22 04:06:02	SuperSeriousCat	You will probably want it trough apt tho. So it is in the system for update or removal if that time comes
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2021-05-22 04:17:51	isomari	SuperSeriousCat: thanks
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2021-05-22 04:19:40	mindhunter	Does anyone how to convert a utf8 encoded file with escape sequences into an image file?
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2021-05-22 04:20:38	mindhunter	I am trying to obtain a banner I print in my terminal with lolcat as an image file but I cant seem to find the proper way to do it
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2021-05-22 05:57:13	zothix	what are free open source email web ui solutions that support bulk mails?
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2021-05-22 06:11:06	ncuxo	https://termbin.com/os3a any idea why I'm getting every boon in emergency mode? I just have to press control + d and it continues
2021-05-22 06:11:22	ncuxo	what is stopping it from mounting my drive
2021-05-22 06:11:38	ncuxo	it is an 8 tb drive btw
2021-05-22 06:11:57	panosdev1	zothix: what do you mean by bulk mails?
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2021-05-22 06:12:58	zothix	panosdev1, i mean like mailwizz, for email marketing, mass mails
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2021-05-22 06:13:34	panosdev1	zothix: then you can try phplist: https://www.phplist.org/
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2021-05-22 06:13:54	ncuxo	also this is a nfsv4 only server v3 is disabled in /etc/nfs.config and rpc-statd.service rpcbind.service rpcbind.socket are masked
2021-05-22 06:14:20	zothix	panosdev1, thanks, ill look into that
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2021-05-22 06:14:42	panosdev1	zothix: you will also need a mail transfer agent like postfix or exim
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2021-05-22 06:15:22	zothix	panosdev1, i already configured postfix with devcot
2021-05-22 06:15:31	zothix	looking for a webui now :"D
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2021-05-22 06:17:24	panosdev	I've set up phplist many times, if you need help with the installation you can message me
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2021-05-22 06:20:14	lockywolf	How do I route some of the destinations through a separate interface?
2021-05-22 06:20:37	lockywolf	Say, I have a list of domains that I want to route through eth1, and the rest through eth0.
2021-05-22 06:20:46	panosdev	lockywolf: with the "ip route add" command
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2021-05-22 06:21:06	lockywolf	sounds unlikely
2021-05-22 06:21:18	lockywolf	the list is large
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2021-05-22 06:21:45	lockywolf	and changes as domain names <-> ip addresses matching change
2021-05-22 06:21:45	panosdev	and?
2021-05-22 06:21:46	lockywolf	s
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2021-05-22 06:22:21	lockywolf	so there should be a daemon that once in a while checks whether gmail.com resolves to something, and changes the route
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2021-05-22 06:22:45	lockywolf	and is maintaining an internal database of (name, ip)
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2021-05-22 06:23:16	panosdev	so you want an interface/front to manage it more easily?
2021-05-22 06:23:25	panosdev	frontend*
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2021-05-22 06:24:17	panosdev	sounds like you need a firewall
2021-05-22 06:24:18	lockywolf	I guess...
2021-05-22 06:24:46	lockywolf	I actually need to bypass a firewall
2021-05-22 06:25:14	panosdev	can you explain what exactly is your issue?
2021-05-22 06:25:20	lockywolf	sure
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2021-05-22 06:27:20	lockywolf	I have a very restrictive firewall, that blocks a lot of domains, ips, protocols, etc. I have one (fast) interface eth0 that goes through this firewall, and one (slow) interface eth1 that goes around it. I need to use eth0 for "almost everything except the blocked domains", and eth1 for the blocked domains.
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2021-05-22 06:29:34	panosdev	lockywolf: so those two firewalls are on the same machine?
2021-05-22 06:30:12	lockywolf	two firewalls?
2021-05-22 06:30:22	lockywolf	the firewall is at the provider
2021-05-22 06:30:33	lockywolf	the two interfaces are on my machine
2021-05-22 06:30:41	panosdev	ah so you don't have access to it?
2021-05-22 06:31:16	lockywolf	if I had access to it, I would have just disabled it :)
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2021-05-22 06:33:09	panosdev	lockywolf: how do you know which domains, protocols, etc are blocked?
2021-05-22 06:33:19	lockywolf	by trying and testing
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2021-05-22 06:37:07	panosdev	lockywolf: well with iptables you can make rules that are based on ip addresses and protocols (port numbers) but not domains. However that would be tedious because you will have to manually add each ip manually...
2021-05-22 06:37:19	lockywolf	yes
2021-05-22 06:38:08	lockywolf	I wouldn't mind having a daemon that tests connectivity through both interfaces and adjusts the routing table.
2021-05-22 06:39:10	panosdev	lockywolf: I don't think anything like that exists, you will have to write custom code to do that
2021-05-22 06:39:21	lockywolf	hm... ok
2021-05-22 06:40:03	panosdev	lockywolf: if you managa to understand why they block those specific ips you might be able to do it though
2021-05-22 06:40:09	panosdev	manage*
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2021-05-22 06:40:58	panosdev	is there any logic behind those blocks? why do they do it?
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2021-05-22 06:44:51	SkunkyLaptop	lockywolf: you might be able to adapt something like a border router protocol daemon to do that, bgp or similar
2021-05-22 06:45:08	lockywolf	they do it for political reasons
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2021-05-22 06:46:39	panosdev	lockywolf: is there any chance that it's geoblocking?
2021-05-22 06:47:13	lockywolf	what is geoblocking?
2021-05-22 06:47:36	lockywolf	like "visitors from you country are prohibited from visiting our wonderful website"?
2021-05-22 06:47:47	lockywolf	that's also the case, but of less significance
2021-05-22 06:48:08	lockywolf	politics is usually backed by money
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2021-05-22 06:48:27	panosdev	so it's not like they block specific countries?
2021-05-22 06:48:33	lockywolf	the country wants less competition for the domestic companies from the trans-national corporations
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2021-05-22 06:48:52	lockywolf	no, it's a government's policy
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2021-05-22 06:51:47	panosdev	lockywolf: so it's specific ips, protocols and domain names that are of different countries that are blocked right?
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2021-05-22 06:52:56	lockywolf	it a list of domains, protocols and ips that lives deep inside the govenment's IT ministry
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2021-05-22 06:53:38	lockywolf	it is not public
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2021-05-22 06:54:13	panosdev	lockywolf: the easiest way to get around it might be to use a vpn then
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2021-05-22 06:54:23	lockywolf	the second interface is a vpn
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2021-05-22 06:54:41	lockywolf	I just do not want everything to go through a vpn
2021-05-22 06:54:49	lockywolf	because it is slow, naturally
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2021-05-22 06:55:59	panosdev	lockywolf: why not use a vpn through the fast interface?
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2021-05-22 06:56:24	lockywolf	the vpn goes through the fast interface under the carpet
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2021-05-22 06:56:52	lockywolf	the "eth1" is actually "tun0"
2021-05-22 06:57:25	panosdev	what kind of vpn is it?
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2021-05-22 06:59:55	jjakob	tun0 is usually openvpn
2021-05-22 07:00:06	jjakob	but can also be any tunnel interface
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2021-05-22 07:00:22	jjakob	so any sort of vpn
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2021-05-22 07:00:50	lockywolf	ah, doesn't matter, why would it?
2021-05-22 07:01:10	panosdev	well there are faster and slower vpns
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2021-05-22 07:01:56	lockywolf	I am the only user of the endpoint, so encryption speed is not that of an issue
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2021-05-22 07:04:15	panosdev	lockywolf: is it slow because it has high latency (i.e. when playing a video game or doing a VoIP call) or is it slow because it has limited bandwidth (i.e. watching a movie in high def)?
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2021-05-22 07:04:40	lockywolf	look, this problem cannot be solved by upgrading the vpn, ok?
2021-05-22 07:05:00	panosdev	how do you know that?
2021-05-22 07:05:13	lockywolf	because you cannot beat the speed of light
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2021-05-22 07:05:31	lockywolf	round-trip will always add to the ping
2021-05-22 07:05:48	lockywolf	also, the country's trans-national fibre channels are known to be shit
2021-05-22 07:05:56	triceratux	hrm theres no more liberal backspace dot chat github stupphz on ycombinator. are they finally gone ?
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2021-05-22 07:10:44	panosdev	triceratux: what is a liberal backspace dot chat github stupphz?
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2021-05-22 07:11:57	triceratux	no idea. there was some blogging for awhile http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/
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2021-05-22 07:12:45	asht	# amdgpudrmfb
2021-05-22 07:12:45	asht	Hi, I use Void Linux with a custom kernel. I have 2 GPUs in my system: an NVIDIA RTX2070 and an AMD RX540.
2021-05-22 07:12:45	asht	I want the AMD GPU to be my main GPU, however Linux automatically uses the NCIDIA GPU for a TTY, even if I connect a monitor only to the AMD GPU (BTW, I also didn't build the NVIDIA drivers).
2021-05-22 07:12:46	asht	I tried to compile and use a pci-stub driver for the NVIDIA GPU but that didn't help.
2021-05-22 07:12:46	asht	Any idea please?
2021-05-22 07:12:47	asht	Currently, the only solution that comes to mind is to use an fbcon, however that requires me to enable the AMD GPU frame-buffer, bit I do not know how to do so (ASAIU it's called "amdgpudrmfb", this string appears only once in the Linux source code).
2021-05-22 07:12:47	asht	Help please?
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2021-05-22 07:15:49	panosdev	asht: what do you plan to do with the RTX2070?
2021-05-22 07:16:52	asht	I will use it in a PCI passthrough, and I also use it while gaming on Windows (I dual-boot)
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2021-05-22 07:18:00	panosdev	asht: have you tried to blacklist the nvidia driver?
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2021-05-22 07:18:34	asht	As I said, I don't even have the NVIDIA driver installed nor even built
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2021-05-22 07:19:29	panosdev	asht: then how do you know that linux uses the nvidia gpu?
2021-05-22 07:19:52	asht	Because my screen is connected to the NVIDIA GPU
2021-05-22 07:20:31	panosdev	if you connect it to your amd gpu?
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2021-05-22 07:21:45	asht	Then I have an empty, black screen
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2021-05-22 07:22:29	panosdev	but you can see your bios right?
2021-05-22 07:22:41	asht	No
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2021-05-22 07:23:21	panosdev	asht: what motherboard do you have?
2021-05-22 07:23:26	asht	Both my UEFI and the Linux kernel automatically use the NVIDIA GPU (unless I physically remove it)
2021-05-22 07:23:52	asht	Asus TUF X470 Gaming Plus if I remember correctly
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2021-05-22 07:28:30	panosdev	asht: I assume you have connected your nvidia to the upper pcie slot and the amd one on the lower one right?
2021-05-22 07:28:46	asht	You are right
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2021-05-22 07:29:14	panosdev	hmm the lower one is pcie2 while the upper one is pcie3
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2021-05-22 07:30:10	asht	The NVIDIA card is much more powerful and AFAIK the upper PCI slot should be faster, and I don't want to "waste" my powerful GPU
2021-05-22 07:30:23	Norkle	 07:30:23 up 70 days, 20:29,  2 users,  load average: 1.81, 1.56, 1.32
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2021-05-22 07:31:08	panosdev	asht: what cpu do you have?
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2021-05-22 07:31:30	asht	AMD Ryzen 5 2600x, why do you ask?
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2021-05-22 07:32:21	paulcarroty	"The NVIDIA card is much more powerful " bullshit
2021-05-22 07:32:25	Paulo	Hi everyone. I am new to Ledger. I am running Ledger on Debian with Windows Subsystem for Linux. I am trying to use the report command but I don´t know how to install the scrip. Can someone guide me?
2021-05-22 07:32:34	Paulo	I am getting -bash: report: command not found
2021-05-22 07:32:42	Paulo	Ledger documentation says to ¨install the ´report´ anywhere along your PATH¨ which I don´t know how to do
2021-05-22 07:32:54	paulcarroty	#wsl
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2021-05-22 07:34:04	panosdev	asht: you have connected the power connector on the amd gpu correct?
2021-05-22 07:34:21	asht	paulcarroty: I will use the NVIDIA GPU for machine learning, the RTX 2070 has better performance than the AMD Radeon RX540
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2021-05-22 07:34:41	asht	No, there is no need for external power
2021-05-22 07:34:54	asht	Not in the AMD GPU at least
2021-05-22 07:35:08	panosdev	are you sure? what card is it again?
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2021-05-22 07:35:41	asht	AMD RX540 if I remember correctly
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2021-05-22 07:36:51	panosdev	asht: and the card model?
2021-05-22 07:36:56	ignapk	Hi I have the same problem with static noise in microphone on 2 different distros (debian stable and arch) on 2 different machines, both with microphone in headset and built-in in laptoo, no problems on windows, tried changing sampling rate in pulse daemon.conf to no avail, how do I debug it?
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2021-05-22 07:37:53	asht	panosdev: emm... I'm not sure, I know that it's by Sapphire but I don't know how to check for more details
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2021-05-22 07:41:51	asht	I'm sorry, I was mistaken, it's an RX 550, not a 540
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2021-05-22 07:42:45	panosdev	asht: if you disconnect the rtx and have the monitor connected on the amd gpu, does it boot?
2021-05-22 07:43:04	panosdev	but keep the amd card on the slot it is now
2021-05-22 07:43:17	asht	Okay, let me check
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2021-05-22 07:44:11	panosdev	according to the manual it isn't supported but lets try it to see what happens
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2021-05-22 07:45:24	sumthing1980	hello when creating directory in php
2021-05-22 07:45:42	sumthing1980	do you need to make it executable to access it
2021-05-22 07:45:54	sumthing1980	in chmod?
2021-05-22 07:46:14	sumthing1980	rwx rw rw ?
2021-05-22 07:46:39	sumthing1980	(generally speaking?)
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2021-05-22 07:47:40	panosdev	sumthing1980: yes
2021-05-22 07:48:14	sumthing1980	ok and the 4000 blocksize in ls -l does that mean 0 byte file will take up 4kb?
2021-05-22 07:48:23	sumthing1980	4096
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2021-05-22 07:48:40	sumthing1980	hm thats for dirs
2021-05-22 07:48:53	sumthing1980	if a file is 0 bytes, how much does it take up in the fs
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2021-05-22 07:49:47	panosdev	sumthing1980: depends on how many hard links it has
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2021-05-22 07:50:12	Paulo	Hi everyone. I am new to Ledger. I am running Ledger on Debian. I am trying to use the report command but I don´t know how to install the scrip. Can someone guide me?
2021-05-22 07:50:21	Paulo	I am getting -bash: report: command not foun
2021-05-22 07:50:27	Paulo	Ledger documentation says to ¨install the ´report´ anywhere along your PATH¨ which I don´t know how to do
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2021-05-22 07:50:37	sumthing1980	panosdev: ok so how do I check
2021-05-22 07:50:44	rindolf	Paulo: use 'apt'
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2021-05-22 07:53:12	panosdev	sumthing1980: I think it's the number after the permissions in ls -l
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2021-05-22 07:53:16	asht	panosdev: BTW, weston-launch doesn't work
2021-05-22 07:53:29	panosdev	asht: what's that?
2021-05-22 07:53:50	asht	A Wayland compositor
2021-05-22 07:53:53	sumthing1980	panosdev: -rw-rw-r-- 1 x        x           1 May 22 14:49 a.txt0
2021-05-22 07:54:08	sumthing1980	but it should take up more space no?
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2021-05-22 07:55:37	sumthing1980	panosdev: -rw-rw-rw- 1 www-data www-data    0 May 22 14:55 e3f0
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2021-05-22 07:55:39	sumthing1980	0 byte file
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2021-05-22 07:59:15	panosdev	sumthing1980: well the contents of the file are zero bytes
2021-05-22 07:59:31	sumthing1980	yes but in the file system how much does it take up
2021-05-22 07:59:40	sumthing1980	Im thinking of making many files like this
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2021-05-22 08:00:08	asht	panosdev: weird, weston-launch doesn't work by Sway does!
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2021-05-22 08:00:33	sumthing1980	nvm Im looking it up
2021-05-22 08:00:44	panosdev	sumthing1980: the space for that metadata is reserved in filesystem creation time
2021-05-22 08:00:51	panosdev	at*
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2021-05-22 08:01:41	panosdev	which means that when you create an empty file, it's not like a new location on the data medium is reserved
2021-05-22 08:02:31	panosdev	what you should look into is inode deplation
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2021-05-22 08:03:50	panosdev	asht: what driver do you use now that you booted with the amd gpu?
2021-05-22 08:04:07	asht	amdgpu
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2021-05-22 08:11:00	panosdev	asht: well I don't think you can do anything other than swap the two graphic cards
2021-05-22 08:11:14	asht	Okay
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2021-05-22 08:12:16	asht	Maybe the best solution will be to simply buy a DisplayPort toggle
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2021-05-22 08:12:55	tarelerulz	Do any of you have a pinephone?
2021-05-22 08:13:06	SuperSeriousCat	Nope
2021-05-22 08:13:08	asht	But they cost 30$ *crying*
2021-05-22 08:13:35	panosdev	asht: what's that?
2021-05-22 08:13:51	Peasant65	Hey! Does anyone know how to check a dns resolve without tools like ping or dig ? It's a docker container. I suspect that it cannot find it's database container but i'm not sure.
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2021-05-22 08:14:55	asht	Peasnt65: do you want to check the performance or just to check whether it works or not?
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2021-05-22 08:15:11	Peasant65	If it works or not. I'm getting errors.
2021-05-22 08:15:33	tarelerulz	I was just curious how many people had the pine phone.
2021-05-22 08:15:34	rindolf	Peasant65: perl/py?
2021-05-22 08:16:10	Peasant65	Looks like perl is installed
2021-05-22 08:16:11	asht	Peasant65: and why can't you use ping?
2021-05-22 08:16:25	asht	Can you use nslookup?
2021-05-22 08:16:25	Peasant65	Because it's a minimal docker container and it is not installed.
2021-05-22 08:16:39	asht	busybox ping...?
2021-05-22 08:16:47	rindolf	Peasant65: good!
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2021-05-22 08:17:18	Peasant65	I know there's a command that queries linux's resolve table or something like that. I just forgot the name:(
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2021-05-22 08:17:40	asht	nslookup I believe
2021-05-22 08:17:58	asht	Leasant65: But do you have BusyBox installed?
2021-05-22 08:18:27	Peasant65	Don't think so.
2021-05-22 08:18:34	Peasant65	Looks like it's debian of some sort.
2021-05-22 08:18:39	panosdev	isn't nslookup part of bind9?
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2021-05-22 08:19:06	panosdev	there's resolvectl but I think it's part of systemd
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2021-05-22 08:20:02	panosdev	if it's a mariadb container it might have resolveip
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2021-05-22 08:20:32	Peasant65	getent seems to be the command i'm looking for.
2021-05-22 08:21:11	asht	Can't you just use a statically linked, portable busybox and delete it later?
2021-05-22 08:22:30	SuperSeriousCat	Could probably get in the container, install the package who got ping/nslookup, and test
2021-05-22 08:23:07	Peasant65	Thx. I was looking for 'getent' but couldnt remember or find it.
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2021-05-22 08:24:32	panosdev	is getent ahosts different than cat'ing /etc/hosts?
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2021-05-22 08:25:51	panosdev	for example can there be hostnames not in /etc/hosts that appear in getent?
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2021-05-22 08:27:08	Peasant65	Yes there can be
2021-05-22 08:27:14	SuperSeriousCat	I believe so if you configured /etc/nsswitch.conf
2021-05-22 08:27:15	Peasant65	try getent hosts google.com
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2021-05-22 08:31:06	SuperSeriousCat	asht, making NVIDIA use vfio-pci did not work? Seems strange
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2021-05-22 08:31:52	asht	SuperSeriousCat: I didn't try vfio-pci
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2021-05-22 08:32:48	SuperSeriousCat	It should work. And it is what you use if you plan on using PCI passthrough anyway
2021-05-22 08:33:04	latiers	Can I have a quick run down of what happened to the network?
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2021-05-22 08:33:45	latiers	if anything at all
2021-05-22 08:33:45	SuperSeriousCat	latiers, https://www.kline.sh/
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2021-05-22 08:41:15	recursiveNode	I've installed Prometheus in Kubernetes using kube-prometheus-stack. Prometheus has a namespace "monitoring" and Kafka has a namespace "default". There is a ServiceMonitor in the namespace "monitoring" to basically tell Prometheus where Kafka is. I can see Kafka exporter is working, and Prometheus shows an active kafka rule, however the metrics from kafka are not stored in prometheus. Prometheus cannot show any values from
2021-05-22 08:41:15	recursiveNode	Kafka. What can be the issue?
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2021-05-22 10:05:48	Deknos	is there some equivalent for "device ids" of local disks for network shares? some "global unique identifier"?
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2021-05-22 10:11:34	triceratux	"Some people who promote the latest alternative to Freenode are obviously without a moral compass (or just trolling); they even spam and abuse channels today. This isn’t a way to promote alternatives but to alienate people, even misleading them." http://techrights.org/2021/05/22/freenode-misinformation-or-misunderstandings/
2021-05-22 10:11:48	triceratux	how can anyone think let alone say such a thing
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2021-05-22 10:12:34	triceratux	they went to where they belong
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2021-05-22 10:20:04	c705	tradar: quit soapboxing and head outside
2021-05-22 10:20:12	c705	triceratux: ^
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2021-05-22 10:27:05	triceratux	never surrender https://antixlinux.com/antix-19-4-available/
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2021-05-22 10:27:22	triceratux	go outside, maybe. surrender, never :)
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2021-05-22 10:39:38	vlad0x	linux is overrated
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2021-05-22 10:41:29	ayecee	so brave
2021-05-22 10:42:20	vlad0x	do you code C?
2021-05-22 10:42:24	vlad0x	or are you just a scripting faggot
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2021-05-22 10:42:41	ayecee	that escalated quickly
2021-05-22 10:43:18	sol-86	hi
2021-05-22 10:43:21	sol-86	i code in bash
2021-05-22 10:43:42	sol-86	if [ -z variable ]; then
2021-05-22 10:43:42	sol-86	    echo "Bash"
2021-05-22 10:43:42	sol-86	fi
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2021-05-22 11:42:32	unixbsd	Please find the ultimate solution for telephony, voip and remote access/connections on a live linux distribution... ideal for voip and phone calls over internet: https://gitlab.com/openbsd98324/linux-devuan-voip
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2021-05-22 11:42:50	unixbsd	It is of course secured, because I made it.
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2021-05-22 11:46:06	Deknos	tox works for me :)
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2021-05-22 11:46:33	Deknos	not high end, but good enough most of the time.. but it's more video/audio chat than telephony i think
2021-05-22 11:46:41	IIIFE	Do you guys consider a system tray to be a necessity? I work fine without one, but wonder if any my applications have broken functionality because I don't use the system tray.
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2021-05-22 11:47:33	Deknos	yes, i need my system tray.
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2021-05-22 12:13:58	triceratux	rofl that didnt take long https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse
2021-05-22 12:14:09	triceratux	folks actually use irc pms on this network ?
2021-05-22 12:14:49	solanumdulcamara	what do you mean with pms, triceratux ?
2021-05-22 12:15:23	triceratux	the private messaging stuff. looks like folks thought it was secure
2021-05-22 12:15:25	solanumdulcamara	like /query <nick> ?
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2021-05-22 12:16:06	triceratux	"In my view this risk is sufficiently high that the only reasonable course of action at this point is to assume out of caution that all Freenode PMs are tapped."
2021-05-22 12:16:08	solanumdulcamara	I mean... /query is the IRC way of doing that
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2021-05-22 12:17:44	solanumdulcamara	and its been there since IRC protocol: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1459
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2021-05-22 12:20:55	solanumdulcamara	all Freenode PMs are tapped << as in 'listened by a 3rd party' ... just trying to understand
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2021-05-22 12:21:42	hexnewbie	solanumdulcamara: If you run an IRC server, it's trivial to listen to the messages that go from it to the clients and the other servers.
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2021-05-22 12:22:11	kerframil	solanumdulcamara: no end-to-end crypto means that it's trivially tappable. it's as simple as that.
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2021-05-22 12:22:45	solanumdulcamara	yes. and if I were an eviloverlord I would just do that... an eviloverlord with unlimited resources and looooooooots of megaterabytes of disk space :P
2021-05-22 12:22:54	kerframil	any admin can listen in on the conversation, in principle, and long before the current shitstorm ensued.
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2021-05-22 12:24:39	solanumdulcamara	thats precisely what I was thinking the other day... given I have ther resources of an eviloverlord, it wouldnt matter if averagejoe bothered with the strongest encryptions... eviloverlord would win
2021-05-22 12:25:16	kerframil	that's not what I'm saying at all.
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2021-05-22 12:25:53	solanumdulcamara	please read the part ... thats precisely what I was thinking the other day ... kerframil
2021-05-22 12:26:03	hexnewbie	Nor how it works, power does not let you break strong crypto. Only sit in places there would be less of it to break
2021-05-22 12:26:37	kerframil	anyway, I think the initial point was that the inference that using /query was ever safe is a puzzling one.
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2021-05-22 12:27:26	solanumdulcamara	mmm... I think it was never an issue back when rfc1459 was ... ahm... proposed
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2021-05-22 12:27:56	solanumdulcamara	I mean... no one had malicious intents back then
2021-05-22 12:27:59	solanumdulcamara	lol
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2021-05-22 12:29:07	solanumdulcamara	and that is what I am saying now... mmm... Im a bit 'uneasy/nervous' about using plain text. but does it really make a difference today?
2021-05-22 12:29:48	solanumdulcamara	I understand when we are considering very sensitive data transactions (like your bank)... but IRC?!
2021-05-22 12:30:13	solanumdulcamara	Internet Relay Chat.
2021-05-22 12:30:24	solanumdulcamara	please note the "relay" and "chat"
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2021-05-22 12:30:58	kerframil	well, consider that, even though you have the option to use TLS to secure the connection between your client and the IRC server, there's nothing to prevent a nosy admin from unethically snooping on conversations that do not occur within the domain of a public channel.
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2021-05-22 12:31:14	solanumdulcamara	c'mon... what eviloverlord in his sane mind would even consider to use Interet for ... relay... and chat?!
2021-05-22 12:31:23	kerframil	that could be rasengan or any of the others. have they always been trustworthy? and says who?
2021-05-22 12:32:35	kerframil	the long and the short of it is to not assume any degree of privacy while using /query. the article makes it seems as though it's only a problem once somebody informally designated as being evil runs the show.
2021-05-22 12:32:43	solanumdulcamara	yes.
2021-05-22 12:33:05	solanumdulcamara	its just nonsense, kerframil
2021-05-22 12:33:13	kerframil	yeah.
2021-05-22 12:33:41	solanumdulcamara	sorry I took that long to say that in a very simple and layman terms...
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2021-05-22 12:35:32	solanumdulcamara	in other words. if one desires privacy, then one should consider other means than IRC really was meant to be (rfc1459)
2021-05-22 12:35:39	kerframil	yes, absolutely.
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2021-05-22 12:36:46	kerframil	but the author is correct to say that casual conversation can easily slide towards talking about personal matters. in that sense, IRC has alwys been the wrong medium. unless you don't say anything that you wouldn't mind being a matter of the public record, of course.
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2021-05-22 12:37:55	solanumdulcamara	that reminds why .... amh... some time ago... peoples wanting to discuss private matters, devised ways to do so. since befor 0AD :P
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2021-05-22 12:38:39	kerframil	on a different note, I see that the channel is relatively quiet. I take it that most of the users have gone along with this libera exodus?
2021-05-22 12:38:42	kerframil	I'm out of the loop.
2021-05-22 12:38:54	solanumdulcamara	that article is like rediscovering hot water
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2021-05-22 12:39:42	hexnewbie	kerframil: half of the users here, half of the users there, a quarter of the activity or less in both places
2021-05-22 12:40:03	solanumdulcamara	yes... and its not the only channel surprisingly quiet (as of .. 2021-05-21?)
2021-05-22 12:40:42	kerframil	I see. thanks.
2021-05-22 12:40:55	solanumdulcamara	some channels here set a topic and a mute...
2021-05-22 12:41:16	solanumdulcamara	the topic is important
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2021-05-22 12:42:08	solanumdulcamara	and by here I mean the net ;)
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2021-05-22 12:42:39	solanumdulcamara	havent frequented mutiple nets since I was like... mmm ... 15?
2021-05-22 12:42:49	solanumdulcamara	I suddenly felt young again :P
2021-05-22 12:42:53	kerframil	:)
2021-05-22 12:43:06	kerframil	I used to use oftc, also, from time to time but not lately.
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2021-05-22 12:43:40	solanumdulcamara	seems we are living indeed in interesting times, kerframil
2021-05-22 12:43:45	hexnewbie	Although the absolutism of the privacy argument is not entirely correct. As a logical consequence, there are few places safe to discuss private matters (if you weight them by number of users, almost none). A conversation in person can be easily listened to, sound is a sneaky thing
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2021-05-22 12:44:14	sauvin	kerframil, why move away from oftc?
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2021-05-22 12:44:51	solanumdulcamara	hexnewbie, you mean on the backseat of your limo, in the middle of the night, with your ... ahm... interlocutor?
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2021-05-22 12:45:55	kerframil	sauvin: well, one of the channels that I used become defunct then another became inactive.
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2021-05-22 12:46:26	sauvin	What kinds of channels?
2021-05-22 12:46:27	hexnewbie	well, I mean I can listen to all conversations of the neighbours from the bathroom, but the range is extended with hardware I guess
2021-05-22 12:47:13	kerframil	sauvin: Con Kolivas' channel and the channel for grsecurity, as I recall. everyone was unceremoniously booted from the latter once they closed off patch access to the general public.
2021-05-22 12:47:41	sauvin	Urgh.
2021-05-22 12:47:48	kerframil	I think the former may be active again, for that matter. but Con went on a lengthy hiatus before deciding to get back into kernel hackgin.
2021-05-22 12:47:53	kerframil	hacking, rather.
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2021-05-22 12:51:20	triceratux	kerframil: a lot of small channels like centos & fedora are in search of freedom https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad archlinux says no decision & no discussion. this channel is a mix so it lost about 100 connections in 24hrs
2021-05-22 12:52:25	triceratux	#rhel operators distancing themselves from corporatists
2021-05-22 12:53:06	crazybit	What's the best way to assign a keyboard keycode to a keysym so that it works in both VT & Xorg & Wayland? I have a key that seems missing an assignment (both dumpkeys & xmodmap -pke show the keycode unassigned)
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2021-05-22 12:53:40	kerframil	triceratux: not surprised to see mst leading the charge but that's a useful link. thanks.
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2021-05-22 13:04:28	triceratux	its all about the moose class https://www.polarhome.com/service/man/?qf=oose&tf=2&of=Kali&sf=3pm
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2021-05-22 13:05:53	triceratux	ah there he is. just an ordinary hacker http://www.trout.me.uk/
2021-05-22 13:06:01	 *	triceratux has nothing against any of these folks
2021-05-22 13:08:52	kerframil	I'll stick to doing OOP the old way. I know it winds up the modernists.
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2021-05-22 13:40:08	entourage	are there alternative commands to traceroute in linux with the same functionality?
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2021-05-22 13:40:34	cryptopsy	is there a terminal that lets you type commands while a previous command is generating output ? like have its own bar at the bottom instead of output cluttering over the input you're typing?
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2021-05-22 13:43:46	sailorCat	no, but gnu/screen can help you to run multiple task simultaneously
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2021-05-22 13:45:17	crazybit	entourage: traceroute, tracepath (found in iputils), mtr
2021-05-22 13:45:48	crazybit	mtr also has a gui called mtr-gtk but I never used it
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2021-05-22 14:00:53	akoana	normally you mount a partition like /dev/sdb1 not a whole disk like /dev/sdb
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2021-05-22 14:01:48	akoana	what's the output of  lsblk -o+fstype /dev/sda ?
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2021-05-22 14:01:56	akoana	errm /dev/sdb
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2021-05-22 14:03:41	kek_	hi
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2021-05-22 14:05:02	kek_	how can I display MEM in top in MB? I just can't figure out how to display the whole colum in MB instead of %.
2021-05-22 14:05:46	omero	top, kek_ ?
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2021-05-22 14:06:03	omero	you mean ... good old top?
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2021-05-22 14:06:26	kek_	omero, yeah
2021-05-22 14:06:41	omero	top --version
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2021-05-22 14:07:36	kek_	omero, procps-ng 3.3.17
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2021-05-22 14:10:11	kek_	omero, ah I think I misunderstood the column. Could it be that %MEM is always in % but I'd rather have to look at e.g. RES?
2021-05-22 14:10:20	omero	what happens when you press e?
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2021-05-22 14:11:20	omero	ah, but ... my version is a bit ... ancient
2021-05-22 14:11:36	omero	let me think, kek_
2021-05-22 14:12:27	kek_	omero, e does change the columns units but MEM stays the same. seems like %MEM is always procentual.
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2021-05-22 14:16:12	coolfree	goku@goku-MS-7A34:/$ lsblk -o+fstype /dev/sdb
2021-05-22 14:16:12	coolfree	NAME   MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT FSTYPE
2021-05-22 14:16:12	coolfree	sdb      8:16   0 465,8G  0 disk
2021-05-22 14:16:12	coolfree	└─sdb1   8:17   0 465,8G  0 part            ext4
2021-05-22 14:16:34	coolfree	sorry pm
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2021-05-22 14:18:09	akoana	so use /dev/sdb1 in your mount command instead of /dev/sdb
2021-05-22 14:18:28	kerframil	kek_: you might find the readings given by ps_mem to be useful. your distro may even have it packaged already.
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2021-05-22 14:20:17	kek_	kerframil, thanks, I don't have it. Might install it and look at it but I think knowing top better can't hurt
2021-05-22 14:21:22	kerframil	kek_: yes. it's just that rss can be a tricky metric in terms of factoring in (or, rather, out) shared memory.
2021-05-22 14:22:11	akoana	coolfree: no pm please
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2021-05-22 14:23:47	kek_	kerframil, I don't need any details atm, just general behaviour. but I'll look at ps_mem :)
2021-05-22 14:23:48	kek_	thanks
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2021-05-22 14:25:40	omero	kek_, have you considered htop instead of top?
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2021-05-22 14:27:38	coolfree	ok
2021-05-22 14:27:46	coolfree	akoana, thanks a lot !
2021-05-22 14:27:53	akoana	:)
2021-05-22 14:27:57	kek_	omero, top was installed and I figured for simply looking at memory top should suffice but sure, I might look more into htop too. gonna be afk now though. didn't read a lot about the difference yet.
2021-05-22 14:28:05	coolfree	i wish you to be prosper and happy
2021-05-22 14:28:08	coolfree	=)
2021-05-22 14:28:16	akoana	same to you!
2021-05-22 14:28:23	coolfree	thanks ! :D
2021-05-22 14:29:11	omero	kek_, Im not a huge fan of htop... but its more user friendly in modern times (if you get what I mean)
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2021-05-22 14:29:55	omero	btw, htop is ... generally speaking ... quite more 'modern' than plain old top
2021-05-22 14:30:29	Ckat	top pretty much does anthing htop does, minus the recent junk they stated shoveling in with new ownership
2021-05-22 14:30:29	omero	and does the 'dirty job' ... in efficient way
2021-05-22 14:30:51	Ckat	you can have the treeview, sorting, colors, fancy bars etc in top as well
2021-05-22 14:31:11	omero	its like a gui, Ckat ... right?
2021-05-22 14:31:24	Ckat	htop? not much more than top
2021-05-22 14:31:32	Ckat	minus maybe that htop gives some mouse handling
2021-05-22 14:31:40	Ckat	both cli
2021-05-22 14:31:42	omero	eh...
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2021-05-22 14:32:16	omero	read the part I was saying 'Im not a huge fan of htop' :D
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2021-05-22 14:33:05	omero	but sometimes... htop isnt that evil, Ckat
2021-05-22 14:33:34	omero	again... not a huge fan of it... just sometimes... htop is ok
2021-05-22 14:33:44	Ckat	maybe not, but the recent changes kinda pushed me away
2021-05-22 14:33:49	omero	top is a bit more for the dinos ;)
2021-05-22 14:34:01	omero	yes ;)
2021-05-22 14:34:03	Ckat	it all comes down to whatever you prefer, both work fine
2021-05-22 14:34:17	omero	precisely, Ckat :D
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2021-05-22 14:34:33	omero	there are plenty roads to get there.
2021-05-22 14:34:46	omero	choose one
2021-05-22 14:35:13	Ckat	except that other one that displays the graphs and is in nodejs
2021-05-22 14:35:18	Ckat	that shouldnt be illegal to use
2021-05-22 14:35:27	Ckat	s/nt//
2021-05-22 14:35:28	omero	rotfl
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2021-05-22 14:35:41	Ckat	vtop or something it was?
2021-05-22 14:35:41	omero	ok, I get your point :P
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2021-05-22 14:36:23	omero	at some point... we all played with _those_ things, havent we all, Ckat ?
2021-05-22 14:36:41	Ckat	only when paid to
2021-05-22 14:36:53	 *	omero giggles
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2021-05-22 14:37:19	omero	sometimes I did it for just the fun
2021-05-22 14:37:32	omero	then I matured :P
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2021-05-22 14:37:51	omero	but I never crossed the line of being 15 years old
2021-05-22 14:38:22	omero	let the young one rule the world!
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2021-05-22 14:38:57	omero	them still see the universe through the ping-colored glasses :)
2021-05-22 14:39:15	omero	(pun intended)
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2021-05-22 14:42:51	Ckat	wouldnt trust them with the world, but sure
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2021-05-22 15:00:58	IIIFE	Despite major improvements over the past 10 years, I feel like gaming on linux is still an inferior experience to gaming on windows.
2021-05-22 15:02:04	omero	that would be good point in... that channel.. filosofia... Ckat
2021-05-22 15:02:09	omero	lol
2021-05-22 15:02:21	omero	no its spelled differently
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2021-05-22 15:02:45	Ckat	IIIFE: proton stuff works alright these days
2021-05-22 15:02:48	omero	what is the correct spelling of an ancient greek word?
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2021-05-22 15:02:51	Ckat	and quake3 rusn great on linux
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2021-05-22 15:03:47	akoana	omero: φιλοσοφία
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2021-05-22 15:04:10	Inline	oh wow
2021-05-22 15:04:13	Inline	i could read that
2021-05-22 15:04:21	omero	φιλοσοφία
2021-05-22 15:04:28	Inline	yah philosophia
2021-05-22 15:04:30	omero	lol
2021-05-22 15:04:50	omero	the all encompassing discipline, right?
2021-05-22 15:05:54	omero	it all gets down to 'communication'
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2021-05-22 15:06:11	omero	but ... is there ##φιλοσοφία
2021-05-22 15:06:14	omero	nooooo
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2021-05-22 15:06:41	omero	if one gets what I mean
2021-05-22 15:07:40	omero	its a little weird when even in this hard times, we cannot speak
2021-05-22 15:08:08	omero	s@speak@discuss@g
2021-05-22 15:08:43	 *	omero shuts his large mout
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2021-05-22 15:08:59	IIIFE	Call me a boomer, but I like me some twm.
2021-05-22 15:09:02	omero	s,mout,mouth,g
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2021-05-22 15:09:27	velix	Greek word? Gyros!
2021-05-22 15:09:36	velix	Turkish word? Kebap!
2021-05-22 15:09:41	velix	Italian word? Pizza!
2021-05-22 15:09:44	omero	yeah lol velix
2021-05-22 15:09:45	velix	German word? Bratwurst!
2021-05-22 15:09:56	velix	Durch word? Gouda!
2021-05-22 15:10:03	omero	italian word: spaghetti!
2021-05-22 15:10:07	velix	French word? Crossaint!
2021-05-22 15:10:13	omero	rotfl
2021-05-22 15:10:14	velix	omero: Do italians really use this?
2021-05-22 15:10:24	velix	omero: I thought it's linguine or just "pasta"?
2021-05-22 15:10:26	omero	absolutely, velix
2021-05-22 15:10:30	velix	si
2021-05-22 15:10:34	omero	yes
2021-05-22 15:10:38	omero	da
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2021-05-22 15:11:00	omero	sisi (its more common)
2021-05-22 15:11:17	velix	Oh my... I'm watching European Song Context... my god... stolen from Gaga.
2021-05-22 15:11:23	omero	italians? do not exist!
2021-05-22 15:11:26	velix	The first song ... directly stolen from Lady Gaga.
2021-05-22 15:11:33	[R]	velix: bastards
2021-05-22 15:11:39	omero	rotfl
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2021-05-22 15:11:50	omero	bastards? mongrels!
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2021-05-22 15:12:30	velix	That are even the same beat and chords like "Bad Romance".
2021-05-22 15:12:35	omero	thats: bastards is an insult everyone would understand... mongrels? its a bit more *snob*
2021-05-22 15:12:59	IIIFE	I thought only white supremacists used mongrel as an insult.
2021-05-22 15:13:03	omero	capish?
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2021-05-22 15:13:23	de-facto	hmm how would i separate a python daemon from the linux system?
2021-05-22 15:13:30	de-facto	chroot et al?
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2021-05-22 15:14:02	de-facto	it probably depends from files all over the system related to python
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2021-05-22 15:14:50	velix	de-facto: containers ;)
2021-05-22 15:15:00	velix	de-facto: But for Python: virtualenv.
2021-05-22 15:15:08	de-facto	it is already in a lxc
2021-05-22 15:15:12	velix	I'm using pipx for ages now. It really rocks.
2021-05-22 15:15:22	velix	`pipx install <whatever>` does anything automatically.
2021-05-22 15:15:22	de-facto	but together with a whole bunch of other things, so i want to separate it
2021-05-22 15:15:29	velix	Yeah, virtualenv, 100%
2021-05-22 15:15:31	de-facto	virtualenv is not an isolation at all
2021-05-22 15:15:35	de-facto	nope
2021-05-22 15:15:39	velix	Isolation as in what?
2021-05-22 15:15:49	velix	Security or just "not trashing the main system"?
2021-05-22 15:15:52	de-facto	it can access the whole system from an virtualenv
2021-05-22 15:15:58	de-facto	security
2021-05-22 15:16:22	velix	LXC is bad, it has a daemon in root.
2021-05-22 15:16:23	omero	yeah right de-facto ... like sudo chown mafia /*
2021-05-22 15:16:25	velix	rootless, daemonless podman = 4/5
2021-05-22 15:16:37	velix	When you want 100% security, use a runtime, which uses VM power.
2021-05-22 15:16:44	velix	firecracker, ignite etc.
2021-05-22 15:17:00	velix	But I'd go for podman. It's about the best one around now.
2021-05-22 15:17:00	omero	I wonder...
2021-05-22 15:17:11	de-facto	i am inside a lxc i cant change that, but i want to have a lightweight isolation of that python daemon from the rest of that system
2021-05-22 15:17:15	velix	I'm runing many containers as rootless containers. 100% complet roteless.
2021-05-22 15:17:18	de-facto	in terms of security, fs access etc
2021-05-22 15:17:20	velix	LXC isn't  that secure as you think.
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2021-05-22 15:17:30	velix	LXC has a daemon, which runs as root all the time.
2021-05-22 15:17:35	de-facto	lxc is not an option
2021-05-22 15:17:39	[R]	de-facto: what do you mean "security"
2021-05-22 15:17:43	de-facto	i am already inside that, hence i cant use it again
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2021-05-22 15:18:08	de-facto	restrict filesystem access if the daemon contains bugs
2021-05-22 15:18:14	[R]	de-facto: learn how permissions work
2021-05-22 15:18:15	de-facto	like a sandbox
2021-05-22 15:18:18	[R]	problem solved
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2021-05-22 15:19:14	de-facto	[R] so how would i prevent it from accessing "others" ?
2021-05-22 15:19:24	[R]	de-facto: set o-rwx
2021-05-22 15:19:25	IIIFE	Is a chroot good enough for compiling something from an older distro so it works across many different ones?
2021-05-22 15:19:32	omero	de-facto: do you realize 'de-facto' is ... a latinism meaning 'its like that'?
2021-05-22 15:19:38	[R]	IIIFE: chroot has nothing tod owith that
2021-05-22 15:19:48	IIIFE	Then what should I do then?
2021-05-22 15:20:35	jjakob	IIIFE: you can't
2021-05-22 15:20:59	de-facto	hmm, what if i want more isolation that just permissions?
2021-05-22 15:21:11	[R]	de-facto: what do you mean "isolation"
2021-05-22 15:21:12	jjakob	it's called porting and it either works with some library versions or doesn't
2021-05-22 15:21:20	omero	but I fail to understand what your real question is, de-facto
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2021-05-22 15:21:54	jjakob	de-facto: read what lxc, docker,... use for isolation, kernel namespaces
2021-05-22 15:22:01	IIIFE	Which one is better for development, a container or virtual machine?
2021-05-22 15:22:04	de-facto	my real question is: what are the options to harden a python daemon inside an LXC and isolate that from other services running on that
2021-05-22 15:22:04	jjakob	it's kernel-level isolation
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2021-05-22 15:22:27	de-facto	i can not use another LXC, docker etc *inside* that LXC, i need something lightweight
2021-05-22 15:22:28	jjakob	a VM is CPU level isolation
2021-05-22 15:22:47	omero	ok. thus the real question is kernel/user
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2021-05-22 15:22:58	jjakob	you can do nested virtualisation. not sure about nested containers.
2021-05-22 15:23:15	omero	right, de-facto ?
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2021-05-22 15:23:24	jjakob	wnat do you mean user level, it's all kernel namespaces
2021-05-22 15:23:25	de-facto	its running on an openwrt kernel that is using lxc for debian and i want to isolate it from the rest of debian
2021-05-22 15:23:54	jjakob	only VMs are stricter and they're CPU level and require the host to run a daemon
2021-05-22 15:23:58	omero	then I got you wrong/misunderstood de-facto
2021-05-22 15:24:28	jjakob	de-facto: read if it's possible to do nested containers
2021-05-22 15:24:30	omero	ok. I see what you are after... but ... that its not what its done on VMs
2021-05-22 15:24:32	jjakob	I have no idea.
2021-05-22 15:24:37	velix	de-facto: rootless podman in LXC/LXD seems to work fine. Is your LXC/LXD privileged?
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2021-05-22 15:25:14	velix	I've just started it in a priviliged one, but didn't care about networking now. Alpine started perfectly.
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2021-05-22 15:25:40	de-facto	what do you mean by privileged?
2021-05-22 15:25:47	IIIFE	If I'm testing a program across multiple distros, would using a container be the most convenient?
2021-05-22 15:25:47	blip-	hi folks, I installed linux today on an 11 year old Lenovo T420.  It comes with integrated graphics as well as discrete graphics (nvidia quadro I think), I can switch in the bios which one gets used
2021-05-22 15:25:47	blip-	I installed with integrated graphics.  but now if I switch to nvidia in the bios, the OS doesn't boot
2021-05-22 15:26:00	blip-	I tried nomodeset, but no luck. it freezes on boot
2021-05-22 15:26:12	velix	de-facto: https://linuxcontainers.org/lxc/security/
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2021-05-22 15:26:43	de-facto	already reading it
2021-05-22 15:26:52	blip-	do you have any suggestions of more kernel flags to try booting with?
2021-05-22 15:27:11	jjakob	IIIFE: you can run a range of userspaces (distributions) inside a container, but they share the same kernel. which may make some distros not work (incompatible with the kernel)
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2021-05-22 15:27:32	velix	Okay, THAT russian song is stolen my Missy Elliot.
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2021-05-22 15:27:51	velix	from*
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2021-05-22 15:28:12	jjakob	IIIFE: to really run whatever distro you want, you'd use a VM like for example KVM (using virt-manager/libvirt)
2021-05-22 15:28:20	IIIFE	But what about overhead?
2021-05-22 15:28:48	jjakob	if you set virtio devices for the VM, it's negligible
2021-05-22 15:29:15	velix	jjakob: Or a new approach: micro-VMs with container runtimes.
2021-05-22 15:29:17	jjakob	virtio disk, virtio network, host cpu model passthrough
2021-05-22 15:29:22	velix	jjakob: I'm using some of those.
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2021-05-22 15:29:29	jjakob	linux has virtio drivers builtin
2021-05-22 15:29:32	de-facto	velix, hmm any quick way to find out? there are TONS and tons of settings
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2021-05-22 15:29:58	velix	de-facto: I'm normally not using LXC, since it's insecure by design :-( But a friend has it on its VPS :)
2021-05-22 15:30:03	velix	jjakob: https://github.com/weaveworks/ignite
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2021-05-22 15:30:35	velix	kata-containers is pretty similar.
2021-05-22 15:30:46	velix	Alibaba has a similar system on their servers.
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2021-05-22 15:32:10	velix	de-facto: google first three entries :-)
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2021-05-22 15:32:25	velix	"Another easy trick is to look for the owner of /proc in the container (through “lxc exec” or “lxc-attach”). If you see it as nobody/nogroup, it’s an unprivileged container, if you see it as root/root, it’s a privileged container."
2021-05-22 15:33:46	IIIFE	Lets say I'm using an older distro like ubuntu 16.04 for development. Can I backport more recent GPU drivers to the older kernel?
2021-05-22 15:33:54	velix	1984: Frankie Goes To Hollywood - The Power Of Love
2021-05-22 15:33:55	velix	2021: Velix - The Power of Google
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2021-05-22 15:34:23	velix	IIIFE: Most of thost GPU drivers container non-free stuff.
2021-05-22 15:34:47	jjakob	IIIFE: proprietary?
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2021-05-22 15:35:13	velix	jjakob: don't use so complicated words ;)
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2021-05-22 15:35:31	kerframil	IIIFE: technically, nothing stops you from running a newer kernel. although, having outdated mesa and such might be a nuisance.
2021-05-22 15:36:02	jjakob	if you use the FOSS drivers that come with the kernel, upgrading the kernel brings you newer drivers
2021-05-22 15:36:28	de-facto	velix, i see /proc as root:root from both, host and container
2021-05-22 15:36:32	jjakob	if you use proprietary drivers, you're on your own
2021-05-22 15:36:34	velix	kerframil: did you  try https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/ubuntu/updates ?
2021-05-22 15:36:40	de-facto	so i guess then its privileged?
2021-05-22 15:36:41	kerframil	yes, but there are userspace components as well, which may or may not matter for a given use case.
2021-05-22 15:36:41	IIIFE	Well the godot docs recommend using an older distro so the compiled game works with a large range of distros.
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2021-05-22 15:36:48	IIIFE	*exported
2021-05-22 15:37:24	velix	de-facto: yes. very bad in general, but good for you ;)
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2021-05-22 15:38:14	de-facto	velix, so i can run podman then?
2021-05-22 15:38:16	kerframil	velix: I don't use Ubuntu, let alone such an old version but, if I did, I wouldn't mind dabbling with PPAs if I thought it might help solve some of my problems.
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2021-05-22 15:38:37	de-facto	does podman require exactly the same syscalls than LXC?
2021-05-22 15:38:39	IIIFE	Gaming on linux is a headache. Especially if you want to do development for games.
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2021-05-22 15:38:58	de-facto	i am not sure if the openwrt kernel supports all of the required ones for eg. docker
2021-05-22 15:39:22	velix	de-facto: I can't tell you about syscalls, but podman is _very_ well documentated. Wehen running non-priviliged podman container, you need only _very_ few syscalls.
2021-05-22 15:39:23	de-facto	hence its only designed to run LXC (and things that need a subset of the required syscalls)
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2021-05-22 15:40:06	velix	Don't go for docker. Docker ist last gen. They're trying to recover a bit right now.
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2021-05-22 15:47:28	de-facto	hmm idk it makes a very heavy impression
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2021-05-22 15:47:43	de-facto	maybe i can use systemd directly, it already employs namespaces right?
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2021-05-22 15:52:28	velix	Podman makes a heavy impression ???
2021-05-22 15:52:49	velix	You need 4 binaries and a user, which isn't even root.
2021-05-22 15:53:40	velix	systemd, like docker and LXC, use daemons, which run as root. That is unsafe by design.
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2021-05-22 15:54:24	velix	You're talking about "isolation".
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2021-05-22 15:54:40	velix	In your solution, neither the network-stack, nor the communication with the daemon is isolated.
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2021-05-22 15:55:12	akoana	life is unsafe by design, always ending deadly
2021-05-22 15:55:14	velix	The network-stack can be isolated using slirp4netns in LXC and docker
2021-05-22 15:55:15	akoana	:)
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2021-05-22 15:55:22	velix	akoana: That's why we have airbags and stuff.
2021-05-22 15:55:24	velix	akoana: And condoms.
2021-05-22 15:55:38	vlad0x	they just delay the inevitable
2021-05-22 15:55:44	akoana	^^
2021-05-22 15:55:53	velix	vlad0x: a condom can be perforated like a firewall ;)
2021-05-22 15:55:57	vlad0x	everyone is too focused on prolonging their life
2021-05-22 15:56:03	vlad0x	instead of fulfilling it
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2021-05-22 15:56:18	velix	fullfulling a cond... I'm quiet :D
2021-05-22 15:56:26	velix	full filling*
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2021-05-22 16:01:11	vlad0x	what is up with the skids over on ##security
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2021-05-22 16:06:04	autopsy	I love ChatZilla.
2021-05-22 16:06:09	autopsy	I like BitchX.
2021-05-22 16:06:16	autopsy	I love BitchX.
2021-05-22 16:06:21	autopsy	I like irssi.
2021-05-22 16:06:29	DevilChaos	bitchx rocks
2021-05-22 16:06:38	autopsy	I hate hexchat.
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2021-05-22 16:06:48	DevilChaos	lol
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2021-05-22 16:07:24	DevilChaos	is everyone moving or what?
2021-05-22 16:07:27	autopsy	So what can I do you for today DevilChaos
2021-05-22 16:08:00	DevilChaos	just wanting to make sure i have a line to the real linux community
2021-05-22 16:08:14	triceratux	in that case you dont want irc
2021-05-22 16:08:22	DevilChaos	why?
2021-05-22 16:08:32	autopsy	Yeah IRC is nothhnign,.
2021-05-22 16:08:35	Mathisen	DevilChaos, many have moved yeah
2021-05-22 16:08:40	autopsy	The real lcommuninty is at home.
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2021-05-22 16:08:52	triceratux	the real linux community is the kernel devs on the lkml. they never come near irc
2021-05-22 16:08:58	DevilChaos	127.0.0.1
2021-05-22 16:09:17	autopsy	Dont' forget about the package mnaqinartianers trictretux.
2021-05-22 16:09:38	DevilChaos	nah im just an end user not meaning the linux gods
2021-05-22 16:09:43	triceratux	the linux community is an idea. its everywhere. its always real
2021-05-22 16:10:32	DevilChaos	i agree
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2021-05-22 16:10:57	DevilChaos	im not really a fan of discord though
2021-05-22 16:10:59	autopsy	DevilChaos: I used to be a package maintainer for Fedora. For RedHat I used to call builds on the build.phx01.redhat.com servers and patch bugs and recieve patches and send patches upstream to Anaconda developers.
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2021-05-22 16:11:24	DevilChaos	sweet
2021-05-22 16:11:30	autopsy	Who said anythihng sabout discord]?
2021-05-22 16:11:39	DevilChaos	ha
2021-05-22 16:11:41	DevilChaos	lol
2021-05-22 16:11:50	DevilChaos	i like you
2021-05-22 16:12:01	autopsy	Cool.
2021-05-22 16:12:05	autopsy	I like you.
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2021-05-22 16:12:08	DevilChaos	cheered my boring sat night up
2021-05-22 16:12:19	autopsy	Its middle of the day here.
2021-05-22 16:12:35	DevilChaos	wheres here?
2021-05-22 16:12:35	autopsy	Sunlight blaring like a mofichkle trucker buckler.
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2021-05-22 16:12:39	autopsy	Arizona.
2021-05-22 16:12:39	DevilChaos	im in scotland
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2021-05-22 16:13:05	Inline	haha
2021-05-22 16:13:06	DevilChaos	wow i want to visit the arizona dessert one day
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2021-05-22 16:13:41	Inline	yes i wanna highlander training so i can jump much too
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2021-05-22 16:13:45	Inline	lol
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2021-05-22 16:14:31	DevilChaos	<<<<< breaks out broadsword and hands it to Inline SWING IT......
2021-05-22 16:14:38	akoana	DevilChaos:  Bon appétit! :)
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2021-05-22 16:14:58	akoana	(arizona "dessert" lol)
2021-05-22 16:15:19	DevilChaos	sticky toffee is my favourate
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2021-05-22 16:15:39	DevilChaos	and if you hadnt noticed i cant spell
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2021-05-22 16:16:24	DevilChaos	actually wish i had got a hold ofa copy of redhat back in the day
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2021-05-22 16:16:57	DevilChaos	started on suse then moved onto debian
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2021-05-22 16:17:16	Inline	hmmm
2021-05-22 16:17:34	Inline	i think my first linux was some book cd offer
2021-05-22 16:17:37	Inline	sybex or so
2021-05-22 16:17:58	Inline	and it was a linux which had no graphical user interface afaik
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2021-05-22 16:18:34	Inline	back then it was all different and much harder to get into linux
2021-05-22 16:18:38	DevilChaos	i really liked having to set it all up probably why arch is so popular
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2021-05-22 16:19:32	DevilChaos	im trying to get a hold of a lenovo tiny atm so i can run other distros on it i dont seem to like using vm
2021-05-22 16:19:33	Inline	hmm, the ones easy to set up and use were debian, slackware and now voidlinux
2021-05-22 16:20:57	DevilChaos	using mint as main driver but going to try full arch set up on the tiny if i get one
2021-05-22 16:21:03	Inline	a shareware version of a real unix was harder, and stuff like gentoo, which compile from source was hard too other than you got a ready made cd with already compiled and installed binaries
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2021-05-22 16:21:18	DevilChaos	yup
2021-05-22 16:21:38	Inline	top of it all was LFS
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2021-05-22 16:21:56	DevilChaos	i learn everything the hard way
2021-05-22 16:22:00	Inline	which really gives you all the steps, but the third step is soo thin.....
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2021-05-22 16:22:18	Inline	where you have to install Xorg and DE and WM etc...
2021-05-22 16:22:53	Inline	afaik, it's a time sink too, other than you use something like BLFS
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2021-05-22 16:26:29	DevilChaos	lfs looks like a good sore head
2021-05-22 16:26:50	genewitch	is there a guide to simply adding a user to a system with authorized_keys file?
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2021-05-22 16:27:04	DevilChaos	ssh?
2021-05-22 16:27:15	akoana	ssh-copy-id
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2021-05-22 16:31:12	Celmor[m]	is it possible to mount network shares like smb with credentials provided via a given askpass program? I don't want to put my plain password in a file
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2021-05-22 16:31:38	DevilChaos	use nfs
2021-05-22 16:31:43	DevilChaos	not smb
2021-05-22 16:31:48	Celmor[m]	I can't
2021-05-22 16:32:08	autopsy	Yes you can do that.
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2021-05-22 16:32:23	autopsy	SMBPassCredentials.
2021-05-22 16:32:34	Celmor[m]	I'm not in control how the network share is provided
2021-05-22 16:32:42	DevilChaos	windblows is the enimy
2021-05-22 16:33:13	DevilChaos	blow it up?
2021-05-22 16:33:15	Celmor[m]	autopsy: what's SMBPassCredentials ?
2021-05-22 16:33:20	DevilChaos	lol sorry
2021-05-22 16:33:23	Celmor[m]	my ddg search returns empty
2021-05-22 16:33:39	autopsy	Whats ddg?
2021-05-22 16:33:45	Celmor[m]	duckduckgo
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2021-05-22 16:33:57	DevilChaos	whats a duck do?
2021-05-22 16:34:06	Celmor[m]	a search engine
2021-05-22 16:34:14	DevilChaos	quack quack
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2021-05-22 16:35:20	autopsy	Paddle paddle
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2021-05-22 16:35:42	Inline	the duck obeys the traffic rule
2021-05-22 16:35:50	DevilChaos	i think we should start our own search engine
2021-05-22 16:35:54	Inline	1. rule of duckbeing
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2021-05-22 16:36:02	Inline	look to the left
2021-05-22 16:36:12	Inline	lol
2021-05-22 16:36:16	DevilChaos	penguingo
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2021-05-22 16:43:46	autopsy	Or VultureVultureEatCrow
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2021-05-22 16:44:28	DevilChaos	whats the mascot going to be called?
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2021-05-22 16:44:40	DevilChaos	erny?
2021-05-22 16:45:15	LissajousPattern	Well this is awkward
2021-05-22 16:45:30	DevilChaos	whys that?
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2021-05-22 16:46:06	LissajousPattern	I don't even want to ask
2021-05-22 16:46:27	LissajousPattern	Last time I was here things were different.
2021-05-22 16:46:46	DevilChaos	just a bit of fun
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2021-05-22 16:47:32	LissajousPattern	It seems there has been a disturbance in the force.
2021-05-22 16:47:58	DevilChaos	the force is strong with you
2021-05-22 16:48:09	LissajousPattern	It is
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2021-05-22 16:48:49	LissajousPattern	What the hell is libera chat?
2021-05-22 16:49:16	 *	rud0lf gives LissajousPattern a newspaper
2021-05-22 16:49:25	triceratux	LissajousPattern: http://techrights.org/2021/05/19/freenode-and-cancel-culture/
2021-05-22 16:49:52	LissajousPattern	triceratux, is freenode getting canceled?
2021-05-22 16:49:55	<--	NDPTAL85 (~ndptal85@146-115-83-169.s2720.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcncustomer.com) has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds)
2021-05-22 16:50:05	akoana	LissajousPattern: once upon a time there was a prince...
2021-05-22 16:50:17	triceratux	https://gist.github.com/shadowcat-mst/998cea12794768bdb3da2daeff31baad
2021-05-22 16:50:29	LissajousPattern	akoana, no there wasn't
2021-05-22 16:50:40	akoana	lol
2021-05-22 16:50:43	DevilChaos	need to shoot the crow speak later
2021-05-22 16:50:47	DevilChaos	:)
2021-05-22 16:50:50	LissajousPattern	rud0lf, I can only read comic sans
2021-05-22 16:50:51	triceratux	freenode is simply too corporatist to those who run ubuntu in a vbox
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2021-05-22 16:53:05	LissajousPattern	I am glad I have been spending lots of time outdoors lately. It makes me care a lot less about all of the things that only seem to be important to those that stay glued to their technorogy.
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2021-05-22 16:53:49	DarkDexter	Hello Guys. I am running manjaro and I am having a small problem with fastfetch. It stops at the point, where it should display my shell. First it took about 5min before the command went through, just keppt it running, and now it display shell only with a lot bars.I tried with fish, bash and zsh. all the same output
2021-05-22 16:53:54	LissajousPattern	I guess to me it is just funny.
2021-05-22 16:54:14	DarkDexter	https://imgur.com/7B4YOVn.png - any ideas on this?
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2021-05-22 16:55:16	LissajousPattern	I mean it is not like freenode has really been a great place throughout its inception. More like barely tolerable as a place to come hang out and talk with a few friends.
2021-05-22 16:55:22	akoana	LissajousPattern: I heard, a little techno roguery could have been involved ;)
2021-05-22 16:55:59	LissajousPattern	But don't dare have an opinion that does not fit the narrative of freenode staff or you get the noose.
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2021-05-22 16:56:35	LissajousPattern	I say power to the people
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2021-05-22 16:57:05	LissajousPattern	Anyway it still looks like some people may need a bit of Linux assistance.
2021-05-22 16:57:13	akoana	all in all it's a pity for the linux community (if such a thing exists)
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2021-05-22 16:57:29	LissajousPattern	akoana, it doesn't
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2021-05-22 16:58:06	LissajousPattern	Besides why does everything these days need to revolve around some false sense of community?
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2021-05-22 16:58:51	LissajousPattern	the term "community" these days is just another word for "safe space".
2021-05-22 16:59:50	akoana	I meant community = people here on this channel
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2021-05-22 17:01:27	LissajousPattern	I just think it is a bit ridiculous. I still like a lot of the community as it were. Others probably not so much.
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2021-05-22 17:02:11	LissajousPattern	I guess a new hope is needed.
2021-05-22 17:02:59	LissajousPattern	OB1 blow me you're our only hope.
2021-05-22 17:03:03	coolfree	+1
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2021-05-22 17:04:10	omero	lol
2021-05-22 17:05:00	LissajousPattern	Well I guess they win
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2021-05-22 17:05:57	omero	like the curves win, LissajousPattern ?
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2021-05-22 17:06:45	ripdisk	i'm confused over the whole thing.... everybody "moved", but all those channels are like just idle
2021-05-22 17:06:50	LissajousPattern	Could you rephrase that question?
2021-05-22 17:07:02	LissajousPattern	it is some futile form of protest.
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2021-05-22 17:07:28	ripdisk	like, yeah - they were able to get all the irc regulars to jump over there......
2021-05-22 17:07:29	omero	ripdisk: I am also a bit confused. its not ... clear ...
2021-05-22 17:07:29	LissajousPattern	They hope it will go back to the way things were and they are hanging on just in case
2021-05-22 17:07:46	ripdisk	but how will they establish that network as the new place to go for help
2021-05-22 17:07:52	ripdisk	irc regulars are a different breed
2021-05-22 17:07:53	triceratux	i think #libera is quite some party. not so much to say in the other channels https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=Libera.Chat
2021-05-22 17:07:53	omero	it just makes not much sense
2021-05-22 17:08:02	 *	triceratux wants to go lurk
2021-05-22 17:08:14	LissajousPattern	KInda embarrassing to be known as an IRC regular.
2021-05-22 17:08:19	ripdisk	think about all the documentation out in the wild that refers to dev channels on freenode
2021-05-22 17:08:48	ripdisk	when somebody is gonna search
2021-05-22 17:08:59	ripdisk	"projectname IRC channel"
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2021-05-22 17:09:14	ripdisk	they'll get 'freenode', long into the future, no matter what happens to libera
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2021-05-22 17:10:08	ripdisk	furthermore
2021-05-22 17:10:11	LissajousPattern	freenode, where all the Russian hackers be.
2021-05-22 17:10:17	omero	its not ... clear ... ripdisk
2021-05-22 17:10:29	ripdisk	for somebody that doesn't care about IRC, a person that just needs help with software
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2021-05-22 17:10:45	ripdisk	it's gonna add an entire new layer of BS for them
2021-05-22 17:10:46	omero	I feel _very_ confused.
2021-05-22 17:10:55	triceratux	thats why drRoy & #archlinux arent budging. they dont want to update their websites :)
2021-05-22 17:11:10	ripdisk	imagine not knowing anything about IRC and needing help with a piece of open source software
2021-05-22 17:11:25	ripdisk	and then, you figure out how to get on IRC, end up on freenode
2021-05-22 17:11:32	LissajousPattern	hahahaha
2021-05-22 17:11:34	ripdisk	only to be told.... this isn't the place
2021-05-22 17:11:42	Prestige	It's hard to figure out how to get on irc?
2021-05-22 17:12:00	omero	are we talking about IRC .. or ... something else?
2021-05-22 17:12:03	ripdisk	to somebody who's never heard of it before, yeah
2021-05-22 17:12:10	LissajousPattern	That probably means the year of the Linux desktop is never actually going to happen
2021-05-22 17:12:17	Prestige	I mean, welcome to the internet. It's a chat room
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2021-05-22 17:12:35	LissajousPattern	Tell that to normies
2021-05-22 17:13:06	LissajousPattern	the only experience they have with chat room is getting spammed by porn bots.
2021-05-22 17:13:10	ripdisk	just saying, normies that are just simply looking for help with their software isn't going to want to go throuh the hoops
2021-05-22 17:13:11	omero	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1459 << this thing
2021-05-22 17:13:13	Prestige	If they can't figure out how to connect to a chat room then I doubt they'll be able to figure anything out on their computer
2021-05-22 17:13:27	LissajousPattern	Why should we care?
2021-05-22 17:13:46	LissajousPattern	Who really cares if someone cannot use a computer at all?
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2021-05-22 17:13:56	Prestige	^
2021-05-22 17:14:27	ripdisk	lol, not really true, i know plenty of computer minded people who wouldn't have a clue how to get on IRC..... and needing help with something and not finding it where all the documentation is pointing you can be frustrating
2021-05-22 17:14:34	LissajousPattern	We are not responsible for their lack of interest in themselves.
2021-05-22 17:14:38	ripdisk	and jsut another 'turnoff' from using open source
2021-05-22 17:14:50	Prestige	they'd probably google it
2021-05-22 17:14:55	Prestige	and quickly find an answer
2021-05-22 17:15:03	akoana	well, those who did the voluntary work behind the scenes keeping freenode running are disappointed and feel deceived. I can at least understand that...
2021-05-22 17:15:19	LissajousPattern	ripdisk, that means they cannot follow a few simple instructions. It must be a miracle from God that they can wipe their own ass.
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2021-05-22 17:16:17	LissajousPattern	akoana, I think that can be said about anyone who has been Brand loyal at one time or another.
2021-05-22 17:16:28	ripdisk	i just know that all the channels "moved" to the new server..... but nobody's going to those channels and asking for help
2021-05-22 17:16:32	ripdisk	they're coming here.
2021-05-22 17:16:38	LissajousPattern	Cool
2021-05-22 17:16:47	omero	they.
2021-05-22 17:16:51	ripdisk	that's why i'm just gonna stay on both
2021-05-22 17:16:52	LissajousPattern	Why does it even matter?
2021-05-22 17:17:12	omero	ripdisk: same :D
2021-05-22 17:17:16	LissajousPattern	Linux is easier than that anyway.
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2021-05-22 17:17:34	LissajousPattern	I learned how to navigate the Linux minefield without IRC
2021-05-22 17:17:37	omero	unix, LissajousPattern
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2021-05-22 17:17:51	ripdisk	yeah well, when i was "new to linux" things like ubuntu didn't exist
2021-05-22 17:18:35	LissajousPattern	And to be honest joining IRC only helped me learn a few things that I probably would have learned had I not been too lazy to read some docs.
2021-05-22 17:18:38	omero	its kind of the same as that, but ... you might want to explore a bit more :D
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2021-05-22 17:18:44	ripdisk	and navigating linux was a thing you'd need information to do, from a book/manual or a commnity
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2021-05-22 17:19:03	LissajousPattern	ripdisk, yeah remember actual books?
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2021-05-22 17:19:29	ripdisk	books are how christians keep their homes warm
2021-05-22 17:19:30	LissajousPattern	It is as if they used to be used to teach people things. Now they re good for starting fires.
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2021-05-22 17:19:35	ripdisk	jk
2021-05-22 17:19:50	omero	remember when building kernel was like... time to get it?
2021-05-22 17:20:00	omero	on a modem?
2021-05-22 17:20:05	LissajousPattern	hahaha
2021-05-22 17:20:11	LissajousPattern	Oh the horror
2021-05-22 17:20:22	omero	and then ... once you got it...
2021-05-22 17:20:25	omero	make
2021-05-22 17:21:21	LissajousPattern	This version of freenode is actually kinda pleasant.
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2021-05-22 17:21:42	LissajousPattern	All the people that normally try to troll me are now just gone.
2021-05-22 17:21:57	LissajousPattern	Hallelujah!!!
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2021-05-22 17:22:17	omero	mmmm
2021-05-22 17:22:48	LissajousPattern	Normally after just one opinion being voiced here would get the entire wolf pack breathing down your ass.
2021-05-22 17:23:19	omero	ok. that is more clear LissajousPattern
2021-05-22 17:23:21	triceratux	yep those are the folks that went to libera. works out just fine actually :)
2021-05-22 17:23:22	LissajousPattern	I raise my coffee cup to the new and improved troll free freenode.
2021-05-22 17:23:48	omero	try vodka :D
2021-05-22 17:24:00	LissajousPattern	triceratux, I am really glad you are still here.
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2021-05-22 17:24:12	LissajousPattern	I've always loved you
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2021-05-22 17:24:30	ripdisk	what's gonna end up happening IMO is both are gonna exist, and the open source community is just gonna have to deal with not having all the projects on one network.
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2021-05-22 17:24:53	omero	yes ... that...
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2021-05-22 17:25:26	omero	and probably we will never regret having to have a foot in different places, ripdisk
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2021-05-22 17:25:41	omero	its how it is
2021-05-22 17:25:48	omero	who cares?
2021-05-22 17:26:06	omero	most of us never minded
2021-05-22 17:26:22	ripdisk	I only care about it as a thing to talk about, just news
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2021-05-22 17:26:34	ripdisk	no matter what happens it won't effect too much on my end
2021-05-22 17:26:39	rascul	news is the worst
2021-05-22 17:26:45	ripdisk	but, it's just interesting, thats all
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2021-05-22 17:27:05	omero	but I understand... having to look into one place.. is mmm better?
2021-05-22 17:27:40	omero	I feel like Im 15 again, ripdisk :P
2021-05-22 17:27:43	ripdisk	eh, better for new people, the absolute normal normies
2021-05-22 17:27:53	omero	lol
2021-05-22 17:27:54	ripdisk	pretty much the same for regular irc people
2021-05-22 17:27:59	omero	precisely :P
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2021-05-22 17:28:39	ripdisk	also we'll probably see more and more bots tying freenode channels to libera channels
2021-05-22 17:28:43	ripdisk	cos i'm already seeing those
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2021-05-22 17:28:46	omero	I dont even care anymore what viewport Im looking...
2021-05-22 17:28:49	omero	at
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2021-05-22 17:29:44	ripdisk	anyone here happen to play Halo: MCC?
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2021-05-22 17:31:12	coolfree	:-)
2021-05-22 17:31:25	omero	lol
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2021-05-22 17:32:41	omero	ripdisk, wow like 20 years ago?
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2021-05-22 17:33:02	ripdisk	no, MCC is a more current thing
2021-05-22 17:33:33	omero	MCC.. 1000 and 100 and 100 lol
2021-05-22 17:33:37	ripdisk	it's Halo, halo 2, halo 3, halo: odst, halo: reach, and halo 4....... plus a ton of new multiplayer stuff for all of them....
2021-05-22 17:33:46	ripdisk	all in one game.
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2021-05-22 17:34:03	ripdisk	for PC and xbox.
2021-05-22 17:34:10	ripdisk	with cross platform play.
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2021-05-22 17:34:29	omero	roar.. its offtopic then :P
2021-05-22 17:34:35	ripdisk	it'll run on linux too.
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2021-05-22 17:34:48	coolfree	:-)
2021-05-22 17:34:49	omero	really?
2021-05-22 17:35:00	ripdisk	yeah, with some help.
2021-05-22 17:35:10	omero	rotfl ↑↑↑↑
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2021-05-22 17:35:40	ripdisk	omero, it runs with steam proton.
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2021-05-22 17:36:15	ripdisk	and it runs good too
2021-05-22 17:36:16	ripdisk	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tsxl9w6-FU
2021-05-22 17:36:21	coolfree	:-O
2021-05-22 17:36:23	omero	brrr... dont say those words in the same sentence, ripdisk :)
2021-05-22 17:36:31	ripdisk	there's a guy doing a "letsplay" video of halo mcc running on linux via steam proton
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2021-05-22 17:37:14	ripdisk	looks like it runs butter smooth too
2021-05-22 17:37:43	ripdisk	oh
2021-05-22 17:37:45	ripdisk	here's uh
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2021-05-22 17:38:23	LissajousPattern	Well at least jim is still here
2021-05-22 17:38:45	ripdisk	gosh dang it, i lost the word i wanted to use
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2021-05-22 17:39:02	ripdisk	it's when you run a game in 'test' mode, and it shows a bunch of sstuff on screen to test your hardware
2021-05-22 17:39:07	ripdisk	whats that called again
2021-05-22 17:39:13	ayecee	benchmark
2021-05-22 17:39:16	ripdisk	that's it
2021-05-22 17:39:24	ripdisk	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkNvnhD4H_E
2021-05-22 17:39:29	LissajousPattern	ayecee, your still here too...
2021-05-22 17:39:30	ripdisk	there is a halo: mcc benchmark on linux
2021-05-22 17:39:48	ripdisk	with system details in the top left
2021-05-22 17:39:58	LissajousPattern	you're
2021-05-22 17:40:13	LissajousPattern	Coffee engage...
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2021-05-22 17:40:33	LissajousPattern	I think I spent a bit too much time in the sun yesterday
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2021-05-22 17:41:39	ripdisk	i remember when halo 1 was released on PC, i remember trying sooooooooooo hard with no success getting it going on linux
2021-05-22 17:41:52	ripdisk	so for the entire MCC collection to run that well on linux is a cool thing to see in my later years
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2021-05-22 17:44:21	LissajousPattern	I have a Neapolitan tan line going on.
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2021-05-22 17:45:30	coolfree	you sexy thing ...
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2021-05-22 17:45:46	coolfree	:-D
2021-05-22 17:45:51	LissajousPattern	Anyone wanna join the new hacker collective I started? It is called d0rks1de.
2021-05-22 17:46:05	LissajousPattern	coolfree, Thanks
2021-05-22 17:46:31	coolfree	:-P
2021-05-22 17:46:59	LissajousPattern	Anyone here know what an Australian kiss is?
2021-05-22 17:47:25	LissajousPattern	It is like a french kiss but down under.
2021-05-22 17:47:37	ayecee	what the hell man
2021-05-22 17:47:42	rangergord	this channel has fallen to new lows
2021-05-22 17:47:42	 *	kfrench kisses LissajousPattern.
2021-05-22 17:47:54	 *	rangergord Glasgow Kisses LissajousPattern 
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2021-05-22 17:48:08	LissajousPattern	hahahaha
2021-05-22 17:48:14	coolfree	hahaha
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2021-05-22 17:48:25	LissajousPattern	rangergord, yeah it fell to new lows before I was ever here.
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2021-05-22 17:49:02	rangergord	The one guy I signed up to Matrix for (we're collaborating on a project), just left Freenode, and Libera has no Matrix bridge
2021-05-22 17:49:03	LissajousPattern	Can you believe I am an actual professor?
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2021-05-22 17:49:56	rangergord	I don't want to go back to normal IRC clients :(
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2021-05-22 17:50:21	LissajousPattern	rangergord, normal, like which ones?
2021-05-22 17:50:23	Smashcat2	Wow, started building a RAID5 array on a new server yesterday - finished this evening, formatted it and tested working. After reboot, the array has disappeared. Yeah, I thinking I'm going to buy a hardware RAID card, don't have much confidence in software RAID :)
2021-05-22 17:51:05	rangergord	I've used Hexchat, mIRC, and weechat. But I needed a reliable persistent presence so I don't miss messages from him, and Matrix was a freebie
2021-05-22 17:51:16	LissajousPattern	ah
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2021-05-22 17:51:59	rangergord	Smashcat2: what distro? was it mdadm?
2021-05-22 17:52:28	akoana	LissajousPattern: professor of what?
2021-05-22 17:52:39	Smashcat2	rangergord: Ubuntu 20.04 - yep using mdadm. It's always worked before, but I think after this I'm going with a hardware card.
2021-05-22 17:52:41	rangergord	Synology is among the popular NAS and uses a basic mdadm array. Mine's been running for years.
2021-05-22 17:52:43	LissajousPattern	akoana, I can't say
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2021-05-22 17:53:18	rangergord	that's crazy. I don't do backups, I can't imagine if I lost my data like that (I know you didnt copy data yet but you could've)
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2021-05-22 17:53:53	LissajousPattern	akoana, things that make you go hmm
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2021-05-22 17:54:05	akoana	LissajousPattern: ah, professor of silenciology then ;)
2021-05-22 17:54:07	recursiveNode	I've installed Prometheus in Kubernetes using kube-prometheus-stack. Prometheus has a namespace "monitoring" and Kafka has a namespace "default". There is a ServiceMonitor in the namespace "monitoring" to basically tell Prometheus where Kafka is. I can see Kafka exporter is working, and Prometheus shows an active kafka rule, however the metrics from kafka are not stored in prometheus. Prometheus cannot show any values from
2021-05-22 17:54:08	recursiveNode	Kafka. What can be the issue?
2021-05-22 17:54:16	rangergord	Smashcat2: home or work?
2021-05-22 17:54:19	Smashcat2	rangergord: Luckily I hadn't copied anything over to it. Only tested mouting it and creating test files etc. Then after reboot, no sign of it.
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2021-05-22 17:54:40	LissajousPattern	akoana, hahaha I love it
2021-05-22 17:55:00	akoana	heh
2021-05-22 17:55:03	Smashcat2	rangergord: I use it for work, from home. The old server is still in use - this is a brand new server I'm building, ready to copy data across (the old server's RAID is now too small, so new one is 20TB)
2021-05-22 17:55:24	rangergord	ok cool, so you'll have real backups
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2021-05-22 17:55:35	Smashcat2	Yeah, I also have off-site backups
2021-05-22 17:55:35	kerframil	Smashcat2: assemble it, then? it's possible that your administration doesn't do this automatically, in the absence of an mdadm.conf and supporting code in a newly generated initramfs image.
2021-05-22 17:55:42	kerframil	your distribution, I mean.
2021-05-22 17:55:52	rangergord	recursiveNode: this is pretty specific to Prometheus, you'll want to ask there if no one answers you here
2021-05-22 17:56:02	rangergord	which no one will
2021-05-22 17:56:39	recursiveNode	is there a prometheus channel, rangergord?
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2021-05-22 17:56:44	rangergord	Smashcat2: for home use I'd try Xpenology. Basically the Synology equivalent of a hackintosh.
2021-05-22 17:56:44	Smashcat2	kerframil: Assembling it failed, the only option would be to start again, building the RAID. I'm not willing to spend another 30 hours doing that, only to have it fail again. Going to get an Adaptec card I think
2021-05-22 17:56:55	rangergord	recursiveNode: yeah, #prometheus or ##prometheus
2021-05-22 17:57:00	recursiveNode	rangergord thx
2021-05-22 17:57:56	rangergord	cause for home use it's pricey to pay for UPS, backups, and a 2nd RAID card if the 1st one fails. I like the software approach, I like that can I recover my data with a LiveCD
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2021-05-22 17:58:31	Smashcat2	rangergord: Reliability is more important to me. My company can pay for the hardware, so it's no problem here really.
2021-05-22 17:58:49	Smashcat2	(I also have USP on servers and desktop :) )
2021-05-22 17:58:50	rangergord	for sure, I'd do the same at work
2021-05-22 17:59:33	kerframil	the only major downside I can think of in the case of md is the write hole (if using raid5), and that the stupid bad block list feature is enabled by default. using a hardware controller does make booting simpler too, of course.
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2021-05-22 18:04:52	coolfree	:-=
2021-05-22 18:04:54	coolfree	:-)
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2021-05-22 18:10:18	coolfree	:-D
2021-05-22 18:10:25	coolfree	love life
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2021-05-22 19:06:34	gdg	I have an application @ 115200 baud rate that communicates with an external board over /dev/ttyUSB0, is there a way to add a "proxy" between the application and /dev/ttyUSB0 to reduce/control the baud rate?
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2021-05-22 19:18:34	coolfree	:-)
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2021-05-22 20:33:35	Entelin	is it possible to force a directory and all its contents to a specific user/group and umask? For example, say I have a "shared" directory, various users are members of the shared group, I would want everything to be owned by shared:shared umask 007 and anything moved into that directory would thus also take on those permissions, and critically the users would be unable to change user/group or add any permissions to "other".  I know
2021-05-22 20:33:35	Entelin	you can do basically anything you want with acls, however I'm not aware of how you can actually enforce the contents of a directory to comply under all circumstances.
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2021-05-22 20:35:38	michaelrose	Entelin: you can make everything the user creates be read and writable by user and group and make everything in a folder belong to say the user group
2021-05-22 20:36:02	Entelin	yeah i know the basics
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2021-05-22 20:37:21	ayecee	what is it you don't know then
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2021-05-22 20:38:05	Entelin	for example, you have a normal user, he's a member of a group that owns another directory, the user moves a file he owns with 664 permissions into that dir, the file keeps the 664 permissions allowing other users to read it
2021-05-22 20:38:23	Entelin	my understanding is the even acls are preserved on a mv
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2021-05-22 20:38:34	ayecee	yup, pretty much
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2021-05-22 20:39:48	Entelin	that's kind of a major issue in some cases, and a fairly constant annoyance if you want uniform permissions in a dir
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2021-05-22 20:40:05	ayecee	it's a real pickle
2021-05-22 20:40:16	michaelrose	Entelin: do your users ever use the same file while logged in simultaneously?
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2021-05-22 20:40:52	michaelrose	actually can't you just set the dir to force stuff moved into it to share the same group
2021-05-22 20:41:09	Entelin	yeah sticky bit
2021-05-22 20:41:23	ayecee	and that's all you can just set
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2021-05-22 20:42:34	Entelin	for me it mostly comes up when trying to prevent programs from violating my intended permissions of a dir. You can tell samba to do things, you can tell rsync to do things, but you can't force them all to obey
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2021-05-22 20:42:53	Entelin	even if they are run as normal users
2021-05-22 20:43:14	ayecee	the smart way to do that is to use one access mechanism.
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2021-05-22 20:43:38	Entelin	yeah and thats how you get around it of course
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2021-05-22 20:45:15	Entelin	whenever I hit this though I keep thinking there has to be some way of doing it, to ensure everything running as a non root user obeys your dirs permissions irrespective of how they are configured themselves, but I never find one.  On windows this isn't really an issue, you can set permissions and programs must obey.
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2021-05-22 20:45:33	ayecee	nope, not on windows either
2021-05-22 20:45:44	Entelin	because of inheritance
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2021-05-22 20:45:47	ayecee	still nope
2021-05-22 20:45:59	Entelin	yes?
2021-05-22 20:46:24	michaelrose	I think you just set the setgid bit on the folder
2021-05-22 20:46:25	ayecee	you move a file to another dir, the dirt stays on the roots
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2021-05-22 20:46:46	ayecee	you can reset the ACLs afterwards but they don't do that automagically.
2021-05-22 20:47:11	Entelin	hmm am I thinking of shares only in this case? testing
2021-05-22 20:47:30	ayecee	i think you're assuming some things just work having never tested them
2021-05-22 20:47:55	michaelrose	why are you using ACLs and permissions?
2021-05-22 20:48:02	ayecee	why wouldn't you
2021-05-22 20:49:24	ayecee	one particular nuisance is how, y'know, a file you _create_ starts with the right ACLs, but a file you _move_ from another dir doesn't.
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2021-05-22 20:50:08	michaelrose	I ask because I've only set stuff up to be used on a home computer and thus never needed ACLs
2021-05-22 20:50:56	michaelrose	so doing umask 002 and setting shared folders to setgid and belong to users is quite sufficient for my use case
2021-05-22 20:50:58	Entelin	i'm sysadmin so it's relevant when working with multiuser systems, and also for securing services and such
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2021-05-22 20:51:12	rascul	you have an odd idea of what it means to obey permissions
2021-05-22 20:51:22	rascul	or maybe you have an odd idea of permissions?
2021-05-22 20:51:25	ayecee	no you're odd
2021-05-22 20:51:42	rascul	that's how i recognize that something is odd
2021-05-22 20:51:47	Entelin	i'm pretty sure you don't know what you're talking about but I'm going to confirm that quick. Happy to embarass myself
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2021-05-22 20:52:06	ayecee	Entelin: you're nailing it
2021-05-22 20:52:18	rascul	you said "whenever I hit this though I keep thinking there has to be some way of doing it, to ensure everything running as a non root user obeys your dirs permissions irrespective of how they are configured themselves, but I never find one.  On windows this isn't really an issue, you can set permissions and programs must obey." and nothing you've
2021-05-22 20:52:18	rascul	said has shows that permissions aren't being enforced
2021-05-22 20:52:28	rascul	what you're trying to do is a bit different from enforcing permissions
2021-05-22 20:52:55	Entelin	I'm not saying they aren't being enforced as per what is supported
2021-05-22 20:53:03	rascul	if you can force the user to login to the group owning the directory that might solve your problem though
2021-05-22 20:53:04	Entelin	I'm not suggesting there's a bug or something
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2021-05-22 20:53:28	rascul	that might not be easy to force though
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2021-05-22 20:54:48	ayecee	don't force it. get a bigger hammer.
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2021-05-22 20:55:05	rascul	i have a 20 pound sledgehammer
2021-05-22 20:55:12	ayecee	that's a pretty big hammer
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2021-05-22 20:55:36	rascul	it is
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2021-05-22 20:58:53	ayecee	i can't remember if it's just moved files affected like that, or copied files too.
2021-05-22 20:59:07	ayecee	still, was a helluva gotcha.
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2021-05-22 20:59:16	 *	rascul moves all the file copies
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2021-05-22 21:00:00	c705	[R]:
2021-05-22 21:00:13	c705	hmu with your gpg cert
2021-05-22 21:00:18	ayecee	i was like, how do i make linux do this like windows does? and then i was like, oh, it does.
2021-05-22 21:00:22	c705	hit me up, rather
2021-05-22 21:00:42	[R]	c705: i don't have a GPG cert...
2021-05-22 21:00:46	 *	rascul hits c705
2021-05-22 21:01:00	[R]	c705: i try to stay as far off the grid as possible
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2021-05-22 21:07:43	 *	autopsy removes [R] from the grid
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2021-05-22 21:21:26	loganlee	hello good morning
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2021-05-22 21:30:29	autopsy	For some of us its eveniung loganlee.
2021-05-22 21:30:39	loganlee	sure :)
2021-05-22 21:30:52	autopsy	I know here in Arizona its sunset right now.\
2021-05-22 21:31:23	sauvin	In that case, good twilight!
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2021-05-22 21:32:12	autopsy	I'm going to fire up stellarium tonight Sauvin.
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2021-05-22 21:32:35	sauvin	If that is what I think it is, you better have some RAM.
2021-05-22 21:32:49	autopsy	Yep I got enough.
2021-05-22 21:33:16	autopsy	I RAM'ed your mother.
2021-05-22 21:33:21	autopsy	Har har.
2021-05-22 21:33:27	autopsy	Loolygoosy.
2021-05-22 21:33:59	autopsy	My grandmother is dead.
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2021-05-22 21:34:36	autopsy	Anybody see Bay Area Transparency?
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2021-05-22 21:35:52	autopsy	Anybody watch NileRed?
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2021-05-22 21:36:36	TheConfuciousOne	What is NileRed?
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2021-05-22 21:37:22	rud0lf	autopsy: i do
2021-05-22 21:37:32	rud0lf	TheConfuciousOne: smart young chemist
2021-05-22 21:37:40	rud0lf	he does pretty amusing experiments
2021-05-22 21:37:44	rud0lf	on youtube
2021-05-22 21:37:55	TheConfuciousOne	oh nice
2021-05-22 21:37:58	autopsy	rud0lf hes cool. He did cadaverine.
2021-05-22 21:38:12	loganlee	anybody used deepin? it looks good compared to macos
2021-05-22 21:38:22	autopsy	Theres also putrescine.
2021-05-22 21:38:40	rascul	http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html
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2021-05-22 21:40:41	autopsy	rascul, dude stop already.
2021-05-22 21:40:57	autopsy	This IS FREENODE
2021-05-22 21:41:07	autopsy	NOT OPENPROJECTS > NET
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2021-05-22 21:41:26	rascul	it's almost like you didn't read past that
2021-05-22 21:41:33	autopsy	Your reading literature from someone too old to fart anythihngng but dust.
2021-05-22 21:41:56	autopsy	I was here when Rob Levin died.
2021-05-22 21:41:59	rascul	literally the next couple words would have clarified things
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2021-05-22 21:42:06	autopsy	He died on a bicylce accident.
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2021-05-22 21:42:42	autopsy	Screw opendunuts.tax
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2021-05-22 21:42:54	autopsy	Openminds.dontask
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2021-05-22 21:44:26	loganlee	i don't know why tech savy person uses macos when there arn't as many apps for apple
2021-05-22 21:45:05	rascul	try asking some tech savy people who use macos why they use machos when there aren't as many apps for apple
2021-05-22 21:45:14	rascul	s/machos/macos/
2021-05-22 21:45:23	rascul	i bet they'll tell you
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2021-05-22 21:45:37	rascul	they might also keep telling you, which could be unfortunate
2021-05-22 21:45:43	kfrench	rascul: I use machos down at the YMCA.
2021-05-22 21:46:07	velix	It's fun to stay at the DMCA ---
2021-05-22 21:46:34	velix	They sue everyting what young men could enjoy ...
2021-05-22 21:46:35	rascul	kfrench i would have preferred it if you didn't share that specific piece of information about yourself with me
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2021-05-22 21:46:57	rascul	but i guess it's too late now
2021-05-22 21:47:12	kfrench	It was too late a long time ago.
2021-05-22 21:47:19	rascul	i believe you
2021-05-22 21:48:05	kfrench	It was all over by the time I left the Navy.
2021-05-22 21:48:49	rascul	my boots stayed on land
2021-05-22 21:48:54	rascul	(except when they were in the air)
2021-05-22 21:49:20	autopsy	My boots stay waxed with Kiwi Black.
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2021-05-22 21:49:33	rascul	desert boots don't get waxed
2021-05-22 21:49:36	autopsy	My trench coats stay worn.
2021-05-22 21:49:48	autopsy	I got two pairs oif jungle boots.
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2021-05-22 21:50:42	autopsy	Want to see pictures?
2021-05-22 21:50:59	autopsy	wigums wants to see my shovel this evening.
2021-05-22 21:51:08	rascul	no
2021-05-22 21:51:15	rascul	i've seen enough jungle boots
2021-05-22 21:51:29	autopsy	You mean she had boots too?
2021-05-22 21:52:30	autopsy	rascul, the shes in your life all wear boots?
2021-05-22 21:52:44	autopsy	My mom wears combat boots.
2021-05-22 21:52:53	rascul	my mom does too
2021-05-22 21:53:02	autopsy	She is retired Army E8 Sergeant First class.
2021-05-22 21:53:05	[R]	jungle boobs?
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2021-05-22 21:53:13	[R]	like some uncontacted tribe?
2021-05-22 21:53:19	rascul	my mom is a retired school bus driver who lives in the mountains
2021-05-22 21:53:34	autopsy	I bet she makes bombs with Kzazinsky.
2021-05-22 21:53:34	[R]	rascul: theres a bus driver guy on youtube/tiktok... hes pretty cool
2021-05-22 21:53:42	rascul	sfc isn't e8 though
2021-05-22 21:53:47	autopsy	E7?
2021-05-22 21:53:50	autopsy	E9?
2021-05-22 21:53:51	rascul	yes
2021-05-22 21:53:53	rascul	e7
2021-05-22 21:53:58	novelcoronavirus	e7
2021-05-22 21:54:00	autopsy	E what? Oh 7.
2021-05-22 21:54:06	novelcoronavirus	o7
2021-05-22 21:54:16	c705	e7 is left field error
2021-05-22 21:54:26	novelcoronavirus	shout out to all the people serving in all the militaries everywhere
2021-05-22 21:54:30	novelcoronavirus	we couldn't have war without u
2021-05-22 21:54:35	autopsy	OH + HI = H2O - I2
2021-05-22 21:54:35	rascul	i'm not shouting to anybody
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2021-05-22 21:55:21	c705	autopsy: oh would never exist as free species
2021-05-22 21:55:30	c705	much too reactive
2021-05-22 21:55:41	rascul	you're reactive
2021-05-22 21:55:42	autopsy	OH on psuedoephedrine though. Yeah I know.
2021-05-22 21:55:46	novelcoronavirus	no u
2021-05-22 21:57:35	autopsy	Too volitile.
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2021-05-22 21:58:09	novelcoronavirus	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxmsZXYhQCg
2021-05-22 21:58:20	loganlee	if 10% of china pr popluation uses deepin linux that would be an awesome thing for desktop linux
2021-05-22 21:58:26	velix	oops, dbus killed :D
2021-05-22 21:58:27	 *	novelcoronavirus lights a spliff and coughs (very dry)
2021-05-22 21:58:55	loganlee	deepin seems to be decent
2021-05-22 21:59:05	loganlee	(i use ubuntu 20.4 though)
2021-05-22 21:59:26	novelcoronavirus	ew, may as well use debian
2021-05-22 21:59:28	rascul	seems deep
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2021-05-22 21:59:50	rascul	sometimes i like to debian
2021-05-22 21:59:56	novelcoronavirus	jim invented debian and they're always around to help
2021-05-22 22:00:04	novelcoronavirus	hard to beat that
2021-05-22 22:00:05	 *	Khaytsus blinks
2021-05-22 22:00:30	autopsy	Take me away..
2021-05-22 22:00:34	autopsy	A secret place..
2021-05-22 22:00:38	autopsy	To better days..
2021-05-22 22:00:38	 *	novelcoronavirus light some incense
2021-05-22 22:00:48	Nickwiz	Without firewalls we would not have hackers.
2021-05-22 22:01:46	autopsy	Shut UP.
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2021-05-22 22:02:04	Nickwiz	The opposite of shut down?
2021-05-22 22:02:10	novelcoronavirus	hey, take that haterism to liberia.chat with the lizard people
2021-05-22 22:02:11	rascul	start down
2021-05-22 22:02:22	rascul	oh sorry, open down
2021-05-22 22:02:28	autopsy	Shut it up or down or out or over or up it and over into out of down shut it down now.
2021-05-22 22:02:41	rascul	shut it all down
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2021-05-22 22:03:52	 *	rascul notes that liberia.chat isn't a real thing but at least it doesn't have the novelcoronavirus
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2021-05-22 22:04:19	novelcoronavirus	Is ##linux sticking with Freenode?
2021-05-22 22:04:37	rascul	it's #linux on libera.chat so it would appear so
2021-05-22 22:05:09	 *	velix salts libera
2021-05-22 22:05:10	YellowSu1	Have a lot of channels moved over to libera? I'm a bit out of the loop
2021-05-22 22:05:14	rascul	but they're effectively the same channels but the other one is 1/3 the size
2021-05-22 22:05:20	velix	YellowSu1: PostgreSQL did !
2021-05-22 22:05:27	velix	That's really a bummer
2021-05-22 22:05:31	rascul	the linux channel is on both and has the same ops and some of the same people
2021-05-22 22:05:35	velix	A _very_ active channel with devs
2021-05-22 22:05:45	rascul	some channels have decided to stay or not stay
2021-05-22 22:05:51	velix	rascul: Can't channels be connected or mirrord?
2021-05-22 22:05:52	rascul	some other channels are on both
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2021-05-22 22:06:02	rascul	velix some channels have a bot for that
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2021-05-22 22:06:12	velix	rascul: I know this from matrix.
2021-05-22 22:06:26	velix	velix[m]: I know this from matrix.
2021-05-22 22:06:28	velix	;)
2021-05-22 22:06:36	rascul	same sorta thing
2021-05-22 22:06:44	rascul	just irc to irc instead of irc to matric
2021-05-22 22:06:47	rascul	or even matrix
2021-05-22 22:06:55	rascul	matric is the worst
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2021-05-22 22:07:04	velix	matrix 4 will be even worse :D
2021-05-22 22:07:09	YellowSu1	rascul: why?
2021-05-22 22:07:09	rascul	not sure why anyone would want to bridge irc to matric
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2021-05-22 22:07:19	velix	rascul: I miss slack 2 irc
2021-05-22 22:07:20	rascul	YellowSu1 because i typoed
2021-05-22 22:07:21	novelcoronavirus	ja live, chiiiildren yeaaah
2021-05-22 22:07:31	YellowSu1	haha thought you meant matrix
2021-05-22 22:07:40	YellowSu1	so yeah matric sucks
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2021-05-22 22:09:25	autopsy	What is matricS?
2021-05-22 22:09:35	rascul	what is your face?
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2021-05-22 22:12:26	LissajousPattern	The truth is an offense. But not a sin. Is he who laugh last. Children, is he who win.
2021-05-22 22:12:44	 *	novelcoronavirus passes the spliff
2021-05-22 22:12:45	LissajousPattern	Jah Jah live
2021-05-22 22:13:12	 *	LissajousPattern kindly accepts and thanks novelcoronavirus
2021-05-22 22:13:15	 *	rascul passes the bong to novelcoronavirus
2021-05-22 22:13:40	novelcoronavirus	^_^
2021-05-22 22:13:53	LissajousPattern	Give thanks and praises to the most high. Jah!
2021-05-22 22:14:36	Toadisattva	King of kings
2021-05-22 22:14:40	 *	LissajousPattern passes it back.
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2021-05-22 22:14:54	LissajousPattern	Lord of lords.
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2021-05-22 22:15:17	autopsy	Men of Men.
2021-05-22 22:15:45	LissajousPattern	autopsy, God among men.
2021-05-22 22:15:50	LissajousPattern	get it right
2021-05-22 22:16:30	LissajousPattern	Funny, cause the old freenode would have canceled me by now.
2021-05-22 22:17:28	novelcoronavirus	the old freenode can't accept the fact that the asiatic black man is the original man
2021-05-22 22:17:42	novelcoronavirus	sad
2021-05-22 22:18:05	rascul	oh well
2021-05-22 22:18:16	rascul	let's just linux together instead
2021-05-22 22:18:40	novelcoronavirus	in Liberia or here?
2021-05-22 22:18:46	rascul	wherever
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2021-05-22 22:19:29	loganlee	liberia? as in africa?
2021-05-22 22:19:53	novelcoronavirus	liberia.chat, the new freenode
2021-05-22 22:19:58	novelcoronavirus	or the old freenode
2021-05-22 22:20:03	novelcoronavirus	idk, whatever
2021-05-22 22:20:15	rascul	libera.chat
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2021-05-22 22:20:27	rascul	you keep putting an extra i in there
2021-05-22 22:20:34	LissajousPattern	What is liberal chat?
2021-05-22 22:20:38	 *	aBound adds that extra i
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2021-05-22 22:21:06	aBound	Hola all. P
2021-05-22 22:21:12	aBound	:P
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2021-05-22 22:28:12	Prestige	Discord doesn't detect my usb webcam - I see it pop up when I connect it in dmesg. Maybe discord only looks at /dev/video* (it's not there, though). Anyone have this issue?
2021-05-22 22:29:10	loganlee	Prestige: maybe replug the usb
2021-05-22 22:29:26	[R]	Prestige: what does it say in dmesg
2021-05-22 22:29:26	Prestige	Doesn't help, tried that and also restarted discord
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2021-05-22 22:30:37	Prestige	https://pastebin.com/raw/8MJP80nL
2021-05-22 22:30:54	Prestige	(I disconnected it after a while)
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2021-05-22 22:31:34	[R]	i dont see any driver attachign to it
2021-05-22 22:32:03	 *	pnbeast attachs [R].
2021-05-22 22:32:19	 *	[R] controls pnbeast 
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2021-05-22 22:32:48	velix	sudo -i -u [R] halt
2021-05-22 22:33:33	Prestige	hm I wonder why
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2021-05-22 22:33:39	Prestige	maybe I should ask in #gentoo
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2021-05-22 22:36:53	loganlee	no body helped me when i had issue with resuming from suspend... it broke the system
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2021-05-22 22:37:06	loganlee	i rebooted
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2021-05-22 22:39:00	peetaur	broke as in had to reboot, or as in corruption?
2021-05-22 22:39:17	loganlee	had to reboot
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2021-05-22 22:40:43	peetaur	well suspend is something I never do and can't help with ... and since you don't have any corruption problem, I guess I can't help there....but I'll tell you my 2 solutions I was thinking of anyway. One is mount ext4 with -o auto_da_alloc since that'll prevent that 0 byte file problem, and the other is if you have to hard reboot, you should use REISUB (which is probably disabled via sysctl...enable it before you need it)
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2021-05-22 22:43:52	Nickwiz	Prestige: "Maybe discord only looks at /dev/video*", - isn't that where it should look?
2021-05-22 22:44:10	Prestige	Probably, but I don't have anything under that name
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2021-05-22 22:44:21	Prestige	So something is probably messed up
2021-05-22 22:44:25	[R]	no
2021-05-22 22:44:27	[R]	you have no driver
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2021-05-22 22:44:30	[R]	lol
2021-05-22 22:44:45	[R]	either its a piece of crap
2021-05-22 22:44:49	[R]	or your gentoo kernel is a piece of crap
2021-05-22 22:45:09	Prestige	It's likely the kernel, works on my other computer
2021-05-22 22:45:30	pnbeast	It's probably the use flags.  It's all about the use flags.
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2021-05-22 22:45:47	[R]	pnbeast: you told me it was all about the benjamins
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2021-05-22 22:46:05	pnbeast	That's true on the street corner, but not on the computer, [R].
2021-05-22 22:46:20	[R]	i thought on the computer it was all about the pentiums
2021-05-22 22:46:27	Prestige	Ah yes I think I need to tweak my kernel flags
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2021-05-22 22:46:39	pnbeast	can't tell if serious...
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2021-05-22 22:46:45	Nickwiz	v4l2-ctl -D
2021-05-22 22:46:54	[R]	pnbeast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpMvS1Q1sos
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2021-05-22 22:51:37	ranran8888	hi i try setup pack with pip but in 99 i get killed what can be the prblem ?
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2021-05-22 22:52:02	[R]	ranran8888: "setup pack"?
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2021-05-22 22:52:15	ranran8888	pip install "pandas"
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2021-05-22 22:52:30	ranran8888	python pack*
2021-05-22 22:52:47	c705	better yet, $distro-package-manager install python-pip
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2021-05-22 22:53:32	[R]	ranran8888: pastebin the error you're getting
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2021-05-22 22:54:12	ranran8888	https://bpa.st/ZWQQ
2021-05-22 22:54:38	ranran8888	i setup before pack
2021-05-22 22:54:48	[R]	thats weird
2021-05-22 22:54:53	[R]	what do you mean "Setup before pack"
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2021-05-22 22:56:12	ranran8888	it only in pandas killed if i try other pack it setup
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2021-05-22 22:58:54	loganlee	awwwww 99%
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2021-05-22 22:59:48	Prestige	Yep I have to enable some kernel flags, working now
2021-05-22 22:59:55	ranran8888	:X  what i can do
2021-05-22 23:00:06	loganlee	congrats Prestige
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2021-05-22 23:00:09	Prestige	ty ty
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2021-05-22 23:07:33	loganlee	if my problem with suspend/resume happens again then i want to know where i can find the appropriate logs?
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2021-05-22 23:08:14	pnbeast	loganlee, where do *all* the logs on your system get written?
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2021-05-22 23:08:43	loganlee	pnbeast: i don't know :-O
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2021-05-22 23:09:04	novelcoronavirus	suppose I'm running `du -h 2>/dev/null / | sort ...` and I want to remove stuff from /home
2021-05-22 23:09:08	novelcoronavirus	how I do that?
2021-05-22 23:09:16	pnbeast	loganlee, that's a tough one, eh?
2021-05-22 23:09:31	rascul	| grep -v /home
2021-05-22 23:09:39	novelcoronavirus	tight
2021-05-22 23:09:43	rascul	loose
2021-05-22 23:09:55	[R]	rascul: like a $5 lady of the evening?
2021-05-22 23:10:01	rascul	yes/no
2021-05-22 23:10:24	[R]	like the slots in vegas?
2021-05-22 23:10:44	rascul	sure, if that's what you like
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2021-05-22 23:10:50	[R]	theres tons of slot machines in vegas that claim they're the loosest slots in vegas
2021-05-22 23:10:51	Nickwiz	That is subliminal messaging; Telling the 99% depends on the 1%
2021-05-22 23:11:07	rascul	pick which one you like and it'll be that loose
2021-05-22 23:11:27	loganlee	pnbeast: i'll just google logs for linux ;)
2021-05-22 23:12:03	autopsy	https://www.quora.com/What-contraception-will-be-best-for-me-There-are-so-many-side-effects-involving-the-pill-which-I-don-t-want-IUD-and-implant-Overall-which-is-best-and-safest?__nsrc__=4
2021-05-22 23:12:03	rascul	loganlee possibly you could look at syslog/journald and dmesg for the relevant logs
2021-05-22 23:12:22	loganlee	ok thanks rascul
2021-05-22 23:12:55	novelcoronavirus	rascul for multiple exclusions do I need to do multiple grep pipes?
2021-05-22 23:12:59	pnbeast	loganlee, that sounds like a plan.  Note that when you find a sensible answer, it'll also work for SunOS, Solaris, FBSD, OBSD, NBSD, and probably every other *nix I've never used, too.
2021-05-22 23:12:59	rascul	i know nothing of suspend/resume stuff though
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2021-05-22 23:13:16	rascul	novelcoronavirus grep can do patterns
2021-05-22 23:13:22	rascul	-v just inverts the match
2021-05-22 23:13:32	loganlee	pnbeast: great :)
2021-05-22 23:13:37	novelcoronavirus	I tried `grep -v /home /foo /bar` but...
2021-05-22 23:13:45	autopsy	He needs to invert his sort and rm.
2021-05-22 23:13:50	rascul	that's not how to do grep patterns
2021-05-22 23:14:10	rascul	not sure i'm sober enough to explain that right now
2021-05-22 23:14:22	pnbeast	rascul, I bet you are.  Go on and try!
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2021-05-22 23:14:40	rascul	pnbeast i'd rather let you try
2021-05-22 23:14:57	rud0lf	don't drink and irc!
2021-05-22 23:15:00	pnbeast	I'm definitely too sober to try.  I bow to your advanced lack of sobriety, this evening.
2021-05-22 23:15:08	rascul	rud0lf that seems like very bad advice
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2021-05-22 23:15:33	pnbeast	From someone named after a reindeer, too!
2021-05-22 23:15:36	rascul	pnbeast i feel like we're at a confluence
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2021-05-22 23:15:45	rascul	not really sure what that means, it's just the feeling i get
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2021-05-22 23:16:11	rud0lf	what if it was reindeer named after me?
2021-05-22 23:16:28	rascul	novelcoronavirus there's docs around somewhere for the grep stuff
2021-05-22 23:16:59	pnbeast	Okay, someone was named after someone, and one of 'em's a reindeer with a red nose.  So, I don't want to hear either of 'em bashing drinking, not while all the kids of the world are waiting for their deliveries on Christmas morning.
2021-05-22 23:17:10	rascul	https://www.gnu.org/software/grep/manual/html_node/Regular-Expressions.html
2021-05-22 23:17:33	[R]	rascul: what about irregular expressio
2021-05-22 23:17:46	rascul	you're an irregular expressio
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2021-05-22 23:18:02	[R]	why thank you
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2021-05-22 23:18:20	pnbeast	You can buy really good expressio machines in the CS departments in Verona.
2021-05-22 23:18:22	rascul	you're welcome
2021-05-22 23:18:32	loganlee	well only irregular expression i can think of is globbing
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2021-05-22 23:18:57	pnbeast	Which, on the whole, are pretty regular, anyway.
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2021-05-22 23:20:34	rascul	novelcoronavirus grep -Ev '/(home|var|tmp)'
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2021-05-22 23:20:43	rascul	maybe you wanted something like that?
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2021-05-22 23:25:04	def_lol	hello
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2021-05-22 23:25:47	def_lol	Is anyone here ?
2021-05-22 23:25:57	loganlee	hi def_lol
2021-05-22 23:26:04	def_lol	Hey
2021-05-22 23:26:23	def_lol	I'm new here
2021-05-22 23:26:32	loganlee	welcome
2021-05-22 23:26:47	def_lol	Can someone explain how do I use IRC
2021-05-22 23:26:52	[R]	you type
2021-05-22 23:26:53	[R]	we type
2021-05-22 23:26:57	[R]	fun is had
2021-05-22 23:27:07	def_lol	lol
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2021-05-22 23:27:48	Kremator	good night folks, how can i change the audio tone/pitch from a video with ffmpeg?
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2021-05-22 23:29:20	def_lol	can i use cat with mpeg video ?
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2021-05-22 23:30:08	pnbeast	def_lol, you can use cat with files.  But some files contain content that you might not want to cat to your terminal.
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2021-05-22 23:30:39	def_lol	no can i do this with a mpeg video
2021-05-22 23:31:00	def_lol	cat vid1.mpeg vid2.mpeg > finalvid.mpeg
2021-05-22 23:31:42	pnbeast	def_lol, you can do that, but it won't create an mpeg video, it will just create a new file with a non-mpeg format inside it.
2021-05-22 23:31:57	drauk	if i just sent a whole bunch of messages to "alis" i apologise. I just copied a command with your username in it lol
2021-05-22 23:32:14	sheep	alis is a bot
2021-05-22 23:32:27	def_lol	i read it in The Linux Command Line by William Shotts
2021-05-22 23:32:39	def_lol	but it doesn't work
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2021-05-22 23:34:04	pnbeast	def_lol, people who spend a lot of time talking about "the command line" often have weak knowledge and skill with UNIX style operating systems, although it's more common to use that phrase, these days.
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2021-05-22 23:35:09	loganlee	def_lol: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/43896/is-it-possible-to-merge-video-files-using-cat
2021-05-22 23:35:34	def_lol	loganlee thanks
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2021-05-22 23:35:51	loganlee	:)
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2021-05-22 23:36:14	def_lol	Is there a linux for beginners channel
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2021-05-22 23:36:47	novelcoronavirus	yes
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2021-05-22 23:37:16	def_lol	what is the channel name ?
2021-05-22 23:37:28	pnbeast	def_lol, it's named ##linux.
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2021-05-22 23:38:00	 *	rascul is a linux beginner
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2021-05-22 23:38:15	def_lol	oh lol
2021-05-22 23:38:17	def_lol	s
2021-05-22 23:38:21	Nickwiz	def_lol: It does not say cat vid1.mpeg vid2.mpeg > finalvid.mpeg, but cat vid.mpeg.0* >movie.mpeg, where vid.mpeg.001, vid.mpeg.002, ... are one video split into multiple parts.
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2021-05-22 23:39:15	def_lol	ohhhh
2021-05-22 23:39:21	def_lol	okay i get it now
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2021-05-22 23:39:34	def_lol	thanks Nickwiz
2021-05-22 23:40:37	def_lol	\
2021-05-22 23:41:28	novelcoronavirus	##linux in its new home, liberia.chat
2021-05-22 23:41:42	Nickwiz	Np. cat is simply short for concatenate. It concatenates files without modifying the contents.
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2021-05-22 23:46:49	Nickwiz	novelcoronavirus: You misspelled again.
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2021-05-22 23:53:21	loganlee	hmmmmm
2021-05-22 23:56:44	loganlee	libera page says something about freenode being bought by a company?
2021-05-22 23:56:57	Prestige	in like 2017, right?
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2021-05-23 00:04:32	rascul	something about the dns or some such
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2021-05-23 00:09:10	sheep	not bought so much as secretly transferred to
2021-05-23 00:10:06	 *	[R] changes rascul's DNS entries
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2021-05-23 00:22:22	autopsy	So who wants to have sex with an alligator?
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2021-05-23 00:24:48	autopsy	So who wants to have sex with a giraffe?
2021-05-23 00:25:04	autopsy	Ok times up rascul, [R] you win!!!!
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2021-05-23 00:28:00	autopsy	I'm() { TooSexy(ForMyShirt).SoSexyItHurts['Shirt','Car','Hat','House','Mom']
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2021-05-23 00:30:12	ranran8888	hi i use this cmmend "sudo chown -R www-data: /home/ubuntu/myproject/db.sqlite3"
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2021-05-23 00:31:00	ranran8888	Does it give access or disable access?
2021-05-23 00:31:41	autopsy	It chsanges ownership to www-data for /home/ubunturd/myrpoject/*
2021-05-23 00:32:26	ranran8888	autopsy and if i try run script and i get "sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database
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2021-05-23 00:32:26	ranran8888	"
2021-05-23 00:32:46	ranran8888	but i add ubuntu to the group  www-data  what the prblem ?
2021-05-23 00:33:06	[R]	ranran8888: that chnage sthe owner
2021-05-23 00:33:09	[R]	ntohing to do with group
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2021-05-23 00:35:38	ranran888813	sory i back what u said ? if i add ubuntu to the group ?
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2021-05-23 00:36:07	pnbeast	starwave, how many nicks are you going to use to annoy us?
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2021-05-23 00:36:32	astra	annoy us?
2021-05-23 00:36:43	astra	who's 'us'?
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2021-05-23 00:36:58	pnbeast	Don't worry, I'm filtering all the ones I see so I won't see them any more.
2021-05-23 00:37:00	autopsy	Yeah whos us.
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2021-05-23 00:39:08	astra	why are you worrying about someone else's username? worry about yourself and don't be rude by highlighting another user pnbeast
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2021-05-23 00:39:26	 *	[R] highlights pnbeast 
2021-05-23 00:39:38	astra	:P
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2021-05-23 00:42:14	ranran888813	autopsy sory i back what u said ? if i add ubuntu to the group ?
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2021-05-23 00:52:08	ranran888813	how i cheack if ubuntu in group www-data ?
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2021-05-23 00:56:26	autopsy	Hey guys I'm trying to connect to my ISP's website for managing wireless communications on thhier ARRIS router here.. when I connect to https://wifi.cox.com I get this: https://termbin.com/yysm
2021-05-23 00:56:34	sauvin	ranran888813, "you", not "u".
2021-05-23 00:59:10	ranran888813	someone can help i destorit my server
2021-05-23 00:59:35	ranran888813	sudo chmod 664 /home/ubuntu/myproject
2021-05-23 00:59:36	ranran888813	how i cancel this ?
2021-05-23 01:00:07	Prestige	You'd have to run chmod with the permissions that you want
2021-05-23 01:00:19	 *	[R] changes Prestige's permissions
2021-05-23 01:00:24	Prestige	oh no
2021-05-23 01:00:49	Prestige	chmod +x [R]; ./[R]
2021-05-23 01:00:52	Prestige	you've been executed
2021-05-23 01:01:03	[R]	i'm +i
2021-05-23 01:01:05	[R]	you can't touch that
2021-05-23 01:01:09	Prestige	damn
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2021-05-23 01:01:30	 *	pnbeast gets out the parachute pants.
2021-05-23 01:01:39	[R]	pnbeast: going sky diving?
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2021-05-23 01:02:14	pnbeast	Nah, just going to do a little dancing.
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2021-05-23 01:02:33	[R]	some... BREAK dancing?
2021-05-23 01:02:50	mlu	yep, break a leg
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2021-05-23 01:03:39	 *	pnbeast hammers [R].
2021-05-23 01:03:53	mlu	STOP... hammertime
2021-05-23 01:04:10	Nickwiz	How does those work? Do you deploy them ,, .. uppside down or something?
2021-05-23 01:04:28	pnbeast	I just pull the ripcord.
2021-05-23 01:04:51	ranran888813	i fix one problem i add 775
2021-05-23 01:05:24	ranran888813	but i have problem write to database i get "sqlite3.OperationalError: attempt to write a readonly database
2021-05-23 01:05:25	ranran888813	"
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2021-05-23 01:05:46	ranran888813	i add ubuntu to www-data but dont know what the problem
2021-05-23 01:05:51	sheep	I can't remember if sqlite3 has a flag in the database to mark it as reas-only
2021-05-23 01:05:52	sheep	*read-only
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2021-05-23 01:06:21	sheep	you also need write permissions in the directory where the database is
2021-05-23 01:06:39	ranran888813	sudo chmod 755 /home/ubuntu/myproject like this ?
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2021-05-23 01:07:04	sheep	usually something like this should be owned by www-data
2021-05-23 01:07:19	sheep	that would work, but you don't need sudo if you own it
2021-05-23 01:07:52	ranran888813	sheep its in aws server i write this but i can write t database
2021-05-23 01:07:59	ranran888813	try 777 ?
2021-05-23 01:08:12	sheep	try that
2021-05-23 01:08:22	sheep	or move this to a directory that isn't under /home
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2021-05-23 01:11:13	ranran888813	sheep thxx 777 work (i cant move the folder its in my projct site)
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2021-05-23 01:11:38	sauvin	ranran888813, "thanks", not "thxx".
2021-05-23 01:11:48	c705	777 is terrible advice
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2021-05-23 01:12:07	[R]	c705: its better than 666, the devi
2021-05-23 01:12:09	c705	set the user up, chown the directory, and 755 or 700
2021-05-23 01:12:26	c705	[R]: who is devi?
2021-05-23 01:12:31	pnbeast	What do you mean?  I set 777 on all the files in /etc and /var and now I run into far fewer permissions errors.
2021-05-23 01:12:48	ranran888813	c705 why 777 ? its terrible
2021-05-23 01:12:49	[R]	pnbeast's nickname is devi
2021-05-23 01:13:14	[R]	pnbeast: isn't this how people's servers get hax0red... randomly running chmod without knowing what they are doing?
2021-05-23 01:13:23	c705	pnbeast: allowing global writes into the directory is overkill
2021-05-23 01:13:40	pnbeast	[R], they're not random - they're directed by h4xx0rz in IRC channels!
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2021-05-23 01:14:57	pnbeast	ranran888813, permissions are used in Linux to make sure the computer runs correctly.  If you disable permissions, by using 777, then someone else might gain control of part, or all, of your computer.
2021-05-23 01:15:02	 *	[R] h4xx0rz pnbeast's gibson
2021-05-23 01:15:16	pnbeast	My Gibson is a Les Paul.
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2021-05-23 01:16:02	pnbeast	It doesn't have permissions.  It does support arbitrary string input, though.
2021-05-23 01:16:17	Prestige	Nice.
2021-05-23 01:16:44	[R]	isn't les paul dead?
2021-05-23 01:17:09	c705	[R]: not in my heart he isn't
2021-05-23 01:17:12	pnbeast	Okay, okay, I don't really play that well, but that's kind of rude, [R].
2021-05-23 01:17:31	[R]	lol
2021-05-23 01:17:58	Nickwiz	777 is usually a permission slip.
2021-05-23 01:18:23	 *	pnbeast used permission slips to get out of classes in high school.
2021-05-23 01:19:12	[R]	you forged them ddnt you?
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2021-05-23 01:19:37	 *	pnbeast looks off at the stars and whistles uncomfortably.
2021-05-23 01:20:04	c705	how does one whistle uncomfortably anyways
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2021-05-23 01:20:35	[R]	shove a finger up your bum befoe whistling
2021-05-23 01:20:36	pnbeast	c705, it's all in the pained expression around the top of the face.  You have to keep your jaw relaxed so you can still whistle.
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2021-05-23 01:20:58	pnbeast	Or, yeah, try [R]'s idea.
2021-05-23 01:21:34	c705	[R]: lol
2021-05-23 01:22:18	[R]	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNBoVH8C3T8
2021-05-23 01:22:21	[R]	this is uncomfortable whistling
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2021-05-23 01:22:41	Nickwiz	Does one need a blacksmith to forge a permission slip?
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2021-05-23 01:23:14	c705	[R]: roflcopter
2021-05-23 01:23:19	[R]	you liek that one?
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2021-05-23 01:23:30	Nickwiz	Not opening that link after your thumbs comment.
2021-05-23 01:23:43	c705	that man looks very uncomfortable as he is whistling
2021-05-23 01:23:57	[R]	they dont know about diversity there... do they... everyone has blonde hair
2021-05-23 01:24:23	c705	and weird
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2021-05-23 01:25:56	pnbeast	Just because a culture is repressed and terrible doesn't mean you should mock it in IRC.  You should try to help them, instead.  Send them guidance on how they can express themselves more openly, like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2HjBG-pTs8
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2021-05-23 01:27:07	[R]	lol
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2021-05-23 01:28:21	autopsy	Hey guys I'm trying to connect to my ISP's website for managing wireless communications on thhier ARRIS router here.. when I connect to https://wifi.cox.com I get this: https://termbin.com/yysm
2021-05-23 01:28:21	c705	pnbeast: that's 15 seconds i'm never getting back
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2021-05-23 01:29:08	lockywolf	Does someone know kind of a "dynamic routing" daemon, that can check whether an IP is reachable through interface A or interface B, and update the routing table accordingly?
2021-05-23 01:29:22	pnbeast	You should make [R] do something that would take you 15 seconds!
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2021-05-23 01:30:09	[R]	lockywolf: whats an example of this situation
2021-05-23 01:30:33	c705	pnbeast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLsxhmVEYws
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2021-05-23 01:31:40	pnbeast	Thank you, c705!
2021-05-23 01:31:52	c705	it was my pleasure
2021-05-23 01:32:38	pnbeast	I just sent it to my wife.  She's typically kinda no-nonsense, so I'm curious about how she will respond.  I suspect she'll ignore it, but I'll see.
2021-05-23 01:33:26	lockywolf	Example: I want to access www.google.com. `dig google.com` produces 172.217.160.78 as an address. `ping 172.217.160.78` -> 100% packet loss. `ping 172.217.160.78 -I tun0` -> works.
2021-05-23 01:33:37	autopsy	I don't have a wife and I've never been married.
2021-05-23 01:34:03	[R]	lockywolf: and what do your network interfaces and routing tabel look like?
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2021-05-23 01:35:29	lockywolf	Default interface gets everything by default. tun0 is a vpn entry point. the routing table has a single non-trivial entry that says that if src addr is tun0's, then route everything through the vpn endpoint
2021-05-23 01:35:34	c705	[R]: are you about to fat shame this person's routing tables?
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2021-05-23 01:36:40	[R]	so set tun0 to default
2021-05-23 01:36:54	lockywolf	I do not want _everything_ go through tun0.
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2021-05-23 01:37:10	lockywolf	Only addresses that don't ping through the default interface.
2021-05-23 01:37:32	twainwek	GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD morning ##linux
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2021-05-23 01:37:41	twainwek	looks like i missed out on some juicy spam PMs
2021-05-23 01:37:52	twainwek	had to close like 50 of them
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2021-05-23 01:39:12	c705	/mode twainwek +R
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2021-05-23 01:40:40	lockywolf	Isn't that what is called "dynamic routing"?
2021-05-23 01:41:04	lockywolf	Something that RIP, OSPF, BGP guys do?
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2021-05-23 01:41:54	lockywolf	If something is not reachable through if1, go through if2. If if2 also fails, complain and return "destination unreachable".
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2021-05-23 01:44:26	rindolf	twainwek: hi, morning. what's new?
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2021-05-23 01:51:34	Nickwiz	autopsy: Have you updated your browser (assuming you connect via browser)
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2021-05-23 01:53:03	autopsy	Nickwiz, I need to update my nrowser why? No I haven't.
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2021-05-23 01:57:52	autopsy	NickWiz, it works for all other websites I use whats the deal with the SSL hash algorithym not recognized, what is this hash algo which SSL hash algo aes sha256 dropfish, byteraid which one?
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2021-05-23 01:58:17	autopsy	Sauvin, jim, Dlange, do you guys know whats thhis shit?
2021-05-23 01:58:21	autopsy	Hey guys I'm trying to connect to my ISP's website for managing wireless communications on thhier ARRIS router here.. when I connect to https://wifi.cox.com I get this: https://termbin.com/yysm
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2021-05-23 01:59:19	autopsy	Used by TLS peer... I'm the TLS peer.
2021-05-23 01:59:35	autopsy	So... what do I do swicth off TLS security?
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2021-05-23 02:00:52	sauvin	I remember having seen that error, but in connexion with my old and creaking router. When I tried to view the router's control page with the browser, the browser said it doesn't support that version of TLS anymore.
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2021-05-23 02:05:38	aaro	autopsy: try with a non-mainstream browser ie midori
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2021-05-23 02:10:32	Nickwiz	Looks like cox uses peer signing digest: SHA1
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2021-05-23 02:11:02	autopsy	I just tried with Google Chrome and it works ... I don't know but TLS security is what Seamonkey has. By default out of the bag.
2021-05-23 02:11:11	autopsy	SHA1 OK.
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2021-05-23 02:12:10	autopsy	Yeah this router is getting replaced by a Cisco 831 router and a Motorola Surfboard cable modem Sauvin.
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2021-05-23 02:12:15	autopsy	I have them right here.
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2021-05-23 02:12:31	autopsy	Just waiting to call the ISP and give ethem theh new MAC ADDRESS.
2021-05-23 02:12:34	elge	meow maw.  what's the best alternative to LXC, to run somehow-secured containers on linux?
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2021-05-23 02:12:47	autopsy	Boxes.
2021-05-23 02:13:05	autopsy	Tubs and barrels come to mind.
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2021-05-23 02:18:16	elge	hmm apparently there's OpenVZ and eventually lmctfy
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2021-05-23 02:18:34	elge	LXC doesn't feel that right
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2021-05-23 02:19:42	impulse	is there a channel for libinput?
2021-05-23 02:19:54	ayecee	who would join it
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2021-05-23 02:23:19	elge	nope, VZ requires a patch and is apparently outdated.  as for lmctfy, it's google and it's rather app oriented.
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2021-05-23 02:23:58	elge	would contained, CRI-O or runc help to run full system containers (not apps?)
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2021-05-23 02:33:10	sauvin	ayecee, got a minute?
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2021-05-23 02:33:25	ayecee	sure
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2021-05-23 02:33:46	sauvin	Mind joining me in ##linux-ops for a moment, please?
2021-05-23 02:33:50	ayecee	ok
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2021-05-23 03:05:15	Iamthehuman	Hello and big thanks for all the free software and free support. I was searching on search engine for how I can instruct my wwan modem to drop down to 3.5G and I'm having no luck. So the case is that I know certain places where 4G gets so weak in signal quality that I'd like HSPA or HSPA+ instead
2021-05-23 03:05:55	Iamthehuman	with mmcli please. No modem-manager-gui for KDE neon for some reason..
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2021-05-23 03:07:32	ayecee	does your modem provide that functionality?
2021-05-23 03:08:07	Iamthehuman	It shows 3g as a possible connection technology
2021-05-23 03:08:16	ayecee	shows it where
2021-05-23 03:08:26	Iamthehuman	mmcli -m 0
2021-05-23 03:08:36	Iamthehuman	or was that -l ..
2021-05-23 03:09:37	ayecee	what happens when you try to select that mode
2021-05-23 03:09:50	Iamthehuman	I'm looking for the command to set it
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2021-05-23 03:10:18	Iamthehuman	I should prlly have 'man mmcli' first before bumping here ... I just don't like how 'man' is not hypertext
2021-05-23 03:10:27	ayecee	have you looked at the manpage? the --set-allowed-modes= and --set-preferred-mode= seem like the place to start
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2021-05-23 03:17:03	Evidlo	anyone know what the JS regex [*]+ matches?  what does a naked quantifier inside of a class do?
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2021-05-23 03:18:30	Nickwiz	asterix
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2021-05-23 03:19:21	Evidlo	a literal asterix?  isn't it a special character?
2021-05-23 03:19:33	Nickwiz	Not within []
2021-05-23 03:19:52	Iamthehuman	Asterix == Character in Asterix and Obelix. Asterisk ==
2021-05-23 03:19:55	Iamthehuman	'*'
2021-05-23 03:20:08	Nickwiz	lol, yeah, and that
2021-05-23 03:20:15	Evidlo	https://regexcrossword.com/challenges/beginner
2021-05-23 03:20:41	Iamthehuman	hmm I get "error: setting preferred mode requires list of allowed modes" when I try to set modes with mmcli, eventhough 'mmcli -m 1' lists the modes just fine. the command I tried was 'mmcli -m 1 --set-preferred-mode="3g"'. Any pointers
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2021-05-23 03:21:23	Iamthehuman	I did try also syntax wihtout the equals-sign, but same error
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2021-05-23 03:22:32	ayecee	i guess set the allowed modes first
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2021-05-23 03:25:45	Iamthehuman	yes, that seems to be case. I don't know how to give it both 3g and 4g as allowed modes
2021-05-23 03:25:59	Iamthehuman	doesn't parse with space, nor comma separation
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2021-05-23 03:26:20	ayecee	maybe the manpage has an example
2021-05-23 03:26:47	Iamthehuman	ayecee: I looked at the manpage with grep, and it does not have an example
2021-05-23 03:27:08	ayecee	maybe look at the manpage without grep
2021-05-23 03:27:30	Iamthehuman	yeah, just saw in the grep that there is more documentation as to the syntax
2021-05-23 03:29:57	Nickwiz	Evidlo: https://regex101.com , https://regexr.com/ and the like. Type the regex and get an explanation.
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2021-05-23 03:30:27	Evidlo	nice, thanks
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2021-05-23 03:32:44	Nickwiz	That puzzle site looks fun btw :P
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2021-05-23 03:39:18	autopsy	Asterisk.
2021-05-23 03:39:23	autopsy	Not asterix.
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2021-05-23 03:39:39	autopsy	Dipsh*t
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2021-05-23 03:40:17	Nickwiz	echo eloha | rev >autopsy
2021-05-23 03:40:34	Iamthehuman	Dipshot, that gotta be basketball terminology
2021-05-23 03:40:52	pnbeast	Looks like a typo from here!
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2021-05-23 03:42:09	autopsy	Azalamano se la tienes tu gun!
2021-05-23 03:42:27	autopsy	I see no puerta no tienes tu gun!
2021-05-23 03:42:57	autopsy	SSiempre palabra sa tienes tu gun!
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2021-05-23 04:31:49	unixbsd	what is the closest replacement of the following command using CURL command line?   wget -k -c --no-check-certificat "${URL}" -O link.html
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2021-05-23 04:35:24	ayecee	i think someone would have to check the wget manpage to see what each of those options does
2021-05-23 04:35:54	ayecee	and then check the curl manpage to see what options are available to do same
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2021-05-23 04:38:41	pnbeast	ayecee, I don't know - I think I know one of them, intuitively.  I'd only have to look up the short options.  I could be wrong.
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2021-05-23 04:40:43	ayecee	okay so pnbeast would only have to check the manpages to see what some of the options do.
2021-05-23 04:40:47	ayecee	i stand corrected.
2021-05-23 04:41:52	 *	pnbeast does a little dance.
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2021-05-23 04:47:12	 *	sauvin is too old to be "standing" correct; he mere *sits* corrected
2021-05-23 04:48:05	pnbeast	sauvin!  Quit slouching.  Sit up straight.
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2021-05-23 04:48:37	 *	sauvin is also old enough to say things like "Simmer down, young man."
2021-05-23 04:48:48	Nickwiz	Do not think curl has a -k option, could be wrong.
2021-05-23 04:49:07	Nickwiz	One could "fix it" with other tools though
2021-05-23 04:49:22	Prestige	it does, short for --config
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2021-05-23 04:51:40	Nickwiz	-k in wget convert links.
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2021-05-23 04:54:44	cadmio	Hello
2021-05-23 04:54:52	cadmio	How can I access to this dev "Bus 001 Device 011: ID 152d:2338 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. JM20337 Hi-Speed USB to SATA & PATA Combo Bridge"
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2021-05-23 04:55:02	cadmio	it's an external HD
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2021-05-23 04:56:42	BobbyJr	cadmio: You mean you want to mount it?
2021-05-23 04:56:45	pnbeast	If you're reasonably lucky, you'd plug it in, then mount the partition(s) you want, then read/write from and to them.
2021-05-23 04:57:09	cadmio	In the past I saw the drive being recogniezed at plugging in
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2021-05-23 04:59:23	cadmio	say I want to mount it to /home/cadmio/media
2021-05-23 04:59:35	BobbyJr	cadmio: Do an lsblk to identify the drive/partition (/dev/sda*) then try mounting it manually, ex. 'mount /dev/sda1 /home/cadmio/media'
2021-05-23 05:00:17	ruztek	haha BobbyJr i was just about to say the same thing
2021-05-23 05:00:21	cadmio	it's connected to usb, it's not an internal drive
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2021-05-23 05:00:57	BobbyJr	cadmio: Doesnt matter, it'll still show up as a block device in lsblk
2021-05-23 05:01:08	ruztek	lsblk will show the HDD's connected ( block devices )
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2021-05-23 05:01:31	cadmio	I get sda: 8:0    0 111.8G  0 disk ├─sda1   8:1    0 105.9G  0 part / ├─sda2   8:2    0     1K  0 part  └─sda5   8
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2021-05-23 05:02:12	ruztek	right so sda is the physical device, sda1 and sda2 are the partitions on that device
2021-05-23 05:02:34	cadmio	are you sure is it not my internal HDD'
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2021-05-23 05:02:36	cadmio	?
2021-05-23 05:02:44	ruztek	how big is the usb?
2021-05-23 05:02:52	BobbyJr	cadmio: If you arent sure which it is from that output, take a look at the output from dmesg after you plug in the usb drive. That will show the kernel output which should tell you what the device is listed as in /dev/
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2021-05-23 05:03:28	BobbyJr	cadmio: It will also show you if theres any connection errors
2021-05-23 05:03:31	cadmio	I switched off the external dtrive and I get the same output to lsblk
2021-05-23 05:03:36	cadmio	so it's not that the drive
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2021-05-23 05:04:05	ruztek	you can also try lsusb
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2021-05-23 05:04:18	cadmio	the first output I gave was from lsusb
2021-05-23 05:04:33	ruztek	ahh okay sorry i only joined a few minutes back
2021-05-23 05:04:52	cadmio	ruztek: Bus 001 Device 011: ID 152d:2338 JMicron Technology Corp. / JMicron USA Technology Corp. JM20337 Hi-Speed USB to SATA & PATA Combo Bridge
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2021-05-23 05:06:12	hrtk	cadmio: Are there any logs/errors in dmesg after you plug your device ?
2021-05-23 05:07:19	cadmio	[  590.157650] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Asking for cache data failed [  590.157654] sd 7:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming drive cache: write through
2021-05-23 05:07:44	hrtk	post the full output on a paste site
2021-05-23 05:08:15	cadmio	https://paste.debian.net/1198479/
2021-05-23 05:08:25	ruztek	you can do a tail -f /var/log/kern.log just before you plug it in
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2021-05-23 05:10:49	ruztek	so it looks like its /dev/sdd; do you not see that in lsblk?
2021-05-23 05:12:13	cadmio	why those error messages?
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2021-05-23 05:13:28	cadmio	yes it's /dev/sdd
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2021-05-23 05:13:58	hrtk	cadmio: What!? You said your lsblk didn't change after plugging it in
2021-05-23 05:14:05	cadmio	so I try "/dev/sdd /home/cadmio/media'
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2021-05-23 05:14:22	hrtk	Show us your lsblk after you plug it in
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2021-05-23 05:14:32	cadmio	lsblk lists only /dev/sda
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2021-05-23 05:14:54	ruztek	/dev/sdd is the physical device, you may have to create a partition on /dev/sdd
2021-05-23 05:15:05	ruztek	try cfdisk /dev/sdd
2021-05-23 05:15:11	cadmio	https://paste.debian.net/1198480/
2021-05-23 05:15:14	ruztek	that will allow you to create a partition on the device
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2021-05-23 05:15:38	me-sudoer-dentne	hey a quick question, can i remove my drive with the boot partition after the boot up process
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2021-05-23 05:15:45	cadmio	there should be data on the device
2021-05-23 05:15:52	MrElendig	me-sudoer-dentne: yes, but why?
2021-05-23 05:16:10	MrElendig	me-sudoer-dentne: assuming the hardware supports hotplugging of course
2021-05-23 05:16:14	me-sudoer-dentne	MrElendig: I am planning on seprating the two devices
2021-05-23 05:16:19	MrElendig	why?
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2021-05-23 05:16:28	hrtk	ruztek: They don't have sdd in lsblk. I don't think they can write anything on it.
2021-05-23 05:16:52	MrElendig	if its for "security", just use secureboot? stops most attacks
2021-05-23 05:16:55	me-sudoer-dentne	so that i can start up my device only using a thumbdrive
2021-05-23 05:17:11	MrElendig	me-sudoer-dentne: that doesn't stop other people from simply bringing a thumb drive
2021-05-23 05:17:15	me-sudoer-dentne	MrElendig: no i have 2 external devices
2021-05-23 05:17:27	me-sudoer-dentne	one is lvm encrypted root device
2021-05-23 05:17:36	me-sudoer-dentne	and the other is a thumb drive with the boot dir
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2021-05-23 05:17:41	me-sudoer-dentne	part*
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2021-05-23 05:18:10	hexnewbie	me-sudoer-dentne: What would that accomplish?
2021-05-23 05:18:11	MrElendig	sounds really unconvenient compared to just using a single stick
2021-05-23 05:18:27	me-sudoer-dentne	MrElendig: but atleast they cant guess if the ssd is a bootable or just another encrypted drive
2021-05-23 05:18:44	MrElendig	that doesn't actually matter tough
2021-05-23 05:19:00	hrtk	me-sudoer-dentne: This guy did something that you might like https://hackaday.io/project/179539-hardware-boot-selection-switch
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2021-05-23 05:19:21	me-sudoer-dentne	hrtk: oh thanks
2021-05-23 05:19:42	me-sudoer-dentne	MrElendig: lets get back to simple yes/no answer
2021-05-23 05:19:51	me-sudoer-dentne	it *is* possible?
2021-05-23 05:19:55	cadmio	sudo fdisk -l doesn't list /dev/sdd
2021-05-23 05:20:24	hrtk	me-sudoer-dentne: They already answered the yes/no. "MrElendig  │ me-sudoer-dentne: yes, but why?"
2021-05-23 05:20:42	me-sudoer-dentne	ikr but i was just confirming
2021-05-23 05:20:48	me-sudoer-dentne	anyways thanks guys
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2021-05-23 05:21:01	hexnewbie	me-sudoer-dentne: Well, doesn't mean you'll be able to do whatever you *think* you're doing
2021-05-23 05:21:09	hrtk	cadmio: Do you have a different connector ?
2021-05-23 05:21:24	cadmio	hrtk: you mean usb coble?
2021-05-23 05:21:42	me-sudoer-dentne	hexnewbie: well it doesnt, it just means its worth a try
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2021-05-23 05:21:58	c4pt00	https://github.com/c4pt000/AlternativeCryptoCurrencyBuilder-scrypt
2021-05-23 05:22:07	Nickwiz	cadmio: USB port on PC
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2021-05-23 05:23:33	Nickwiz	cadmio: Have you updated kernel since last reboot?
2021-05-23 05:23:44	cadmio	yes
2021-05-23 05:24:00	cadmio	Nickwiz: what do you mean by updating kernel?
2021-05-23 05:24:02	cadmio	why should I?
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2021-05-23 05:24:20	Nickwiz	I'm asking if you have done it.
2021-05-23 05:24:29	cadmio	No. I didn't
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2021-05-23 05:27:12	hrtk	cadmio: Just observed you have /dev/sdd present anyway. What does `fdisk /dev/sdd -l` say?
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2021-05-23 05:27:41	IIIFE	If I want environmental variables to be exported upon login for all users, how should I go about that?
2021-05-23 05:27:54	cadmio	fdisk: cannot open /dev/sdd: No such file or directory
2021-05-23 05:28:35	hrtk	cadmio: Strange. Can you reboot?
2021-05-23 05:28:52	sheep	IIIFE: add them to /etc/profile. If your distro has a /etc/profile.d directory then put it in a script there instead
2021-05-23 05:30:14	cadmio	I try to reboot hold on
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2021-05-23 05:43:55	hrtk	Looks like the universal solution of turning it off and on again worked for them
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2021-05-23 05:52:01	renn0xtk9	I make a udev rules like that  ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="sd?", SUBSYSTEM=="block", SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", RUN+="/home/max/.scripts/sync_music_key.sh" but the script never run when I mount a USB key. I would expecte it  does
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2021-05-23 05:56:43	sheep	the script runs as root
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2021-05-23 05:56:58	cadmio	so I plugged the HDD directly into the motherboard
2021-05-23 05:57:11	sheep	does the script have the executable flag set, and does it start with a #!/bin/sh?
2021-05-23 05:57:39	cadmio	https://paste.debian.net/1198486/
2021-05-23 05:58:03	MrElendig	I would match on something less general
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2021-05-23 05:58:26	MrElendig	else you might end up filling something you don't want to fill with your music
2021-05-23 05:58:31	cadmio	now it is recognzied but I cannot access directly fro
2021-05-23 05:58:44	MrElendig	can do this without using udev too
2021-05-23 05:59:03	cadmio	I have to "mount /dev/sdb1 /home/cadmio/media" right?
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2021-05-23 06:00:33	cadmio	I get "mount: /home/gidna/media: unknown filesystem type 'ntfs'."
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2021-05-23 06:07:17	jim	 cadmio, maybe there is not an ntfs driver
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2021-05-23 06:07:23	cadmio	yes
2021-05-23 06:07:39	jim	which dist?
2021-05-23 06:08:50	cadmio	I mounted eventually
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2021-05-23 06:10:57	McErroneous	Hi.., how do i disable password for smbtree... ?
2021-05-23 06:11:05	McErroneous	smbtree keeps asking for a password ..
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2021-05-23 06:19:12	MrElendig	if the shares you are trying to browse are password protected...
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2021-05-23 06:20:49	McErroneous	MrElendig: no they should not be password protected.. , i think its the local machine config...
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2021-05-23 06:21:04	McErroneous	of smb...
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2021-05-23 06:22:16	Proximyst	What configuration would affect which monitor(s) a TTY is shown on? Until I close X11 (started with tty on a single monitor + startx), it only shows on one. Nvidia proprietary drivers, 2x 2560x1440 monitors. I want them cloned with the same TTY. (Not entirely sure where to ask)
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2021-05-23 06:22:46	McErroneous	MrElendig: i tried adding a user to smbclient and enable the user via "smbpasswd -a <username>" and "smbpasswd -e <username>"
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2021-05-23 06:23:06	McErroneous	but no change..., except i dont get anymore error messages...
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2021-05-23 06:24:13	McErroneous	but still ..., i am loosing my paticience with it...
2021-05-23 06:25:28	McErroneous	linux is pretty much upsetting me.., especially the lack or users for older releases...
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2021-05-23 06:30:31	cadmio	there was a program for linux that was able to recover all passwords from a windows partition I don't remember the name
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2021-05-23 06:32:32	IIIFE	I don't like how XFCE4.16 uses CSD, thankfully I can disable it with a small hack, but when eventually XFCE moves to GTK4, I truly hope I can use a small hack to disable CSD for that too.
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2021-05-23 06:38:31	cadmio	I think it was chntpw
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2021-05-23 06:39:25	IIIFE	You guys like XFCE or KDE better?
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2021-05-23 06:42:46	Prestige	maybe KDE between the two. But I prefer a twm
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2021-05-23 06:47:37	MrElendig	remember: don't confuse title bars and csd
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2021-05-23 06:48:00	MrElendig	csd lets you make title bars nicer
2021-05-23 06:48:22	IIIFE	CSD breaks themes in XFCE 4.16. You can have a nice theme you like, and some windows look alien with it.
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2021-05-23 06:49:29	MrElendig	that's not a inherit fault with csd
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2021-05-23 06:49:48	MrElendig	non-csd programs can happily do that too *coughEVERYTHINGELECTRONcough*
2021-05-23 06:49:54	MrElendig	or flutter etc etc etc
2021-05-23 06:50:03	MrElendig	or gimp :p
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2021-05-23 06:52:21	MrElendig	for gtk3/4 programs it is entierly up to the creator if they want to follow the standard css and widgets, or they want to roll their own
2021-05-23 06:52:31	MrElendig	independently of csd or not
2021-05-23 06:52:50	MrElendig	only thing you get with ssd is a consistent titlebar/frame
2021-05-23 06:53:19	autopsy	chntpw yep.
2021-05-23 06:53:22	MrElendig	(and a titlebar/frame that doesn't get non-responsive if the client hangs)
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2021-05-23 06:53:35	MrElendig	maybe, because xorg is a mess
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2021-05-23 06:54:26	autopsy	You're a MESS
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2021-05-23 06:54:51	IIIFE	X11 might be decades of duck tape, but it works better than wayland.
2021-05-23 06:54:53	 *	autopsy cleans up MrElendig
2021-05-23 06:55:12	autopsy	Its duct tape dummy.
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2021-05-23 06:55:15	autopsy	Not duck.
2021-05-23 06:55:41	MrElendig	IIIFE: except when it doesn't which is most of the time
2021-05-23 06:55:49	autopsy	How do I even execute Wayland>?
2021-05-23 06:55:50	iflema	chinese tape
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2021-05-23 06:56:20	autopsy	I'm running Fedora 34 Beta tell me how do I get Wayland.
2021-05-23 06:56:21	MrElendig	autopsy: start your favorite compositor whatever that is, gnome/kde/sway/e/whatever
2021-05-23 06:56:36	autopsy	I did I started Gnome.
2021-05-23 06:56:37	MrElendig	fedora have it enabled out of teh box for gnome
2021-05-23 06:56:42	autopsy	I started Fluxbox too.
2021-05-23 06:56:52	MrElendig	unless you are on nvidia because nvidia
2021-05-23 06:56:57	autopsy	Nope.
2021-05-23 06:56:58	MrElendig	fluxbox does not support it
2021-05-23 06:57:04	autopsy	Ok So I'm on Wayland now?
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2021-05-23 06:57:16	MrElendig	not if you are using fluxbox, no
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2021-05-23 06:57:27	autopsy	Theres nothing wrong with the wayland in Fedora you're al;l getting screwered.
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2021-05-23 06:57:51	autopsy	Fedora has all the badass softs.
2021-05-23 06:57:56	MrElendig	loginctl will tell you the session type btw
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2021-05-23 06:58:30	autopsy	[root@fedora ~]# loginctl
2021-05-23 06:58:31	autopsy	SESSION  UID USER    SEAT  TTY
2021-05-23 06:58:33	autopsy	      1    0 root    seat0 tty1
2021-05-23 06:58:34	autopsy	      4 1000 autopsy seat0 tty2
2021-05-23 06:58:37	autopsy	2 sessions listed.
2021-05-23 06:58:38	autopsy	[root@fedora ~]#
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2021-05-23 06:58:56	MrElendig	tip: it takes arguments
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2021-05-23 06:59:10	autopsy	I don't want to argue with my machine..
2021-05-23 06:59:55	MrElendig	loginctl show-session -p Type somesessionid
2021-05-23 07:00:06	Karyon	https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora/rawhide/system-administrators-guide/Wayland/#_determining_whether_you_are_using_wayland
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2021-05-23 07:03:37	autopsy	I'm using the legacy X11 provides with Wayland then.
2021-05-23 07:03:50	autopsy	I'm not using Wayland.
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2021-05-23 07:11:46	triceratux	stop running the beta. f34 was released
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2021-05-23 07:14:54	autopsy	Thank you triceratux I didn't know that.
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2021-05-23 07:18:03	 *	triceratux checks ycombinator for liberal backspace dot chat
2021-05-23 07:18:14	triceratux	ah its a war https://rentry.co/pa2a3
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2021-05-23 07:18:30	triceratux	wondered when theyd get around to that part :)
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2021-05-23 07:21:09	triceratux	heres the solution. create a 3rd network. call it neolibera.chat
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2021-05-23 07:26:16	ncuxo	is there a way to secure sshfs?
2021-05-23 07:26:42	wigums	whats not secure about it?
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2021-05-23 07:27:50	ncuxo	I've just started experimenting with it but how does it work in multi tenant environments
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2021-05-23 07:28:56	jim	maybe people know the IPs of their neighbors?
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2021-05-23 07:30:01	ncuxo	what about permissions on the directories that you share
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2021-05-23 07:30:36	jim	if you have your own machine, you don't have to share anything
2021-05-23 07:30:37	ncuxo	since it is ssh after all don't you get the same perms of the user you join in
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2021-05-23 07:31:14	ncuxo	and if 10 people use the same share they all log in as the same user thus have access to the same files
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2021-05-23 07:59:25	triceratux	probably written by a bsder :)
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2021-05-23 08:00:17	john_rambo	When I try to add my Facebook account to "Online Accounts" I see this message >>>> https://ibb.co/hdcvB4K ....Is there a fix ?
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2021-05-23 08:59:03	kn100	How do I clear the fscache/cachefilesd cache entirely? Can I just rm the files in the `/var/cache/fscache` dir? the mountpoint it was caching no longer exists
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2021-05-23 09:35:57	xiaomiao	kn100: I think just rm'ing should work
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2021-05-23 09:41:09	Dr_Coke	Hi jim triceratux
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2021-05-23 09:41:15	Dr_Coke	People
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2021-05-23 09:43:47	Dr_Coke	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypJYbKX6v5I&list=FLedGrB3B05LH_yCLVJEGqPg&index=2
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2021-05-23 09:46:22	kn100	xiaomiao
2021-05-23 09:46:28	kn100	it seems to have, nothing exploded! thamks
2021-05-23 09:47:03	xiaomiao	excellent
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2021-05-23 10:15:29	porky	why does cURL use so much more cpu power when downloading a large file than wget does?
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2021-05-23 10:32:18	porky	oxek, they both use https
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2021-05-23 10:33:55	oxek	different ciphers perhaps, and one is not AES-NI accelerated
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2021-05-23 10:34:56	ncuxo	any tips to fix that https://i.imgur.com/b3CJjgy.png
2021-05-23 10:35:13	ncuxo	not sure why the sddm user is failing to start
2021-05-23 10:35:41	ncuxo	but when I start the service manually I have to reboot
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2021-05-23 10:36:26	triceratux	hrm. what distro ?
2021-05-23 10:36:33	ncuxo	fedora kde
2021-05-23 10:37:10	autopsy	fedora is cool.
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2021-05-23 10:37:44	triceratux	its not really intended for users. its an asset
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2021-05-23 10:37:50	triceratux	run kdeneon https://neon.kde.org/
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2021-05-23 10:39:24	ncuxo	don't think running kde neon is the fix of my problem
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2021-05-23 10:43:43	porky	I wish the KDE people would fix the bug that makes it impossible to change the screen size when running it in Virtualbox
2021-05-23 10:43:44	triceratux	when i run fedora 34 lxqt sddm starts just fine. did it ever work ? what changed ?
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2021-05-23 10:45:33	triceratux	root       11229       1  0 10:33 ?        Ssl    0:00 /usr/bin/sddm
2021-05-23 10:45:33	triceratux	root       11264   11229  6 10:33 tty2     Ssl+   0:06  \_ /usr/libexec/Xorg -nolisten tcp -auth /var/run/sddm/{7f8210b3-d1e3-4747-b60b-2ba6034d0c1d} -background none -noreset -displayfd 18 -seat seat0 vt2
2021-05-23 10:45:33	triceratux	root       11476   11229  0 10:33 ?        S      0:00  \_ /usr/libexec/sddm-helper --socket /tmp/sddm-auth58633d3a-fae9-48a5-9b73-cd8375040533 --id 1 --start startlxqt --user liveuser --autologin
2021-05-23 10:46:00	triceratux	yeah looks like it needs some help
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2021-05-23 10:57:47	coldenbrewed	how should I delete a rules added to iptables like this: sudo iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 23288 -j DNAT --to-destination 10.66.66.2
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2021-05-23 10:58:15	coldenbrewed	I don't know which chain it belongs to/what it would look like either, nor does the -D option works with -t
2021-05-23 10:58:26	coldenbrewed	So I am at a lost at how to undo this
2021-05-23 10:58:40	coldenbrewed	and this one too: sudo iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o wg0 -p tcp --dport 23288 -d 10.66.66.2 -j SNAT --to-source 10.66.66.1
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2021-05-23 11:00:37	[R]	colemickens: switch the -A to -D
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2021-05-23 11:02:42	coldenbrewed	Oh thanks, didn't think of how the -A after -t would be what's really affecting the iptables
2021-05-23 11:02:57	coldenbrewed	but why did you use /me to answer instead with a normal ping?
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2021-05-23 11:03:57	[R]	huh?
2021-05-23 11:04:12	coldenbrewed	oh, [R] is your name
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2021-05-23 11:04:19	[R]	lol
2021-05-23 11:04:19	coldenbrewed	I thought that was like a system message or smth
2021-05-23 11:04:57	gnoirzox	lol
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2021-05-23 11:07:01	xioton	Hey. Suppose i cloned the linux source code from github and i compiled it. If one had the time, would it be possible to build a brand new OS from the kernal?
2021-05-23 11:07:25	xioton	*Kernel
2021-05-23 11:07:27	[R]	xioton: what do you mean "new os"
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2021-05-23 11:08:32	xioton	Like an OS from scratch.
2021-05-23 11:08:47	[R]	you can do anything you want...
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2021-05-23 11:08:50	paulcarroty	yep
2021-05-23 11:08:50	[R]	we won't stop you
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2021-05-23 11:09:09	xioton	[R]: bruh.
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2021-05-23 11:09:17	paulcarroty	if you have a LOT free time
2021-05-23 11:09:46	xioton	paulcarroty: How much is "a LOT of free time"?
2021-05-23 11:10:01	xioton	We talking a couple of years maybe?
2021-05-23 11:10:04	[R]	well if you have to ask
2021-05-23 11:10:11	xioton	A decade?
2021-05-23 11:10:14	[R]	you probablay don't even know how to do it in the first place
2021-05-23 11:10:15	[R]	so...
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2021-05-23 11:10:20	paulcarroty	months
2021-05-23 11:10:25	[R]	infinity?
2021-05-23 11:10:44	kfrench	IMHO, the kernel by itself isn't enough to be "an OS".  You need something in user space too.  Download busybox source too and then you're good.
2021-05-23 11:11:01	rascul	https://www.linuxfromscratch.org
2021-05-23 11:11:02	xioton	[R]: You're cool.
2021-05-23 11:11:03	[R]	kfrench: you're an OS
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2021-05-23 11:11:47	gnoirzox	xioton: most likely a couple of decades if you want to work on it on your own and work on stuff like ui and the hardware drivers..
2021-05-23 11:11:47	paulcarroty	yep, LFS teach you Linux under the hood
2021-05-23 11:12:04	paulcarroty	shitload of distros already exists
2021-05-23 11:12:11	gnoirzox	^ this
2021-05-23 11:12:20	rascul	building it isn't bad, maintaining it is the hard part
2021-05-23 11:12:20	[R]	but this one will be SPECIAL
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2021-05-23 11:12:31	gnoirzox	and they are not considered new or derived oses
2021-05-23 11:12:34	[R]	rascul: that's what she said
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2021-05-23 11:13:09	gnoirzox	even "Elementary OS" is just a linux distro
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2021-05-23 11:13:47	[R]	elementary os is just ubuntu with a different DE
2021-05-23 11:13:57	gnoirzox	yeah
2021-05-23 11:14:43	gnoirzox	And it does look like a modified Gnome environment
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2021-05-23 11:15:35	paulcarroty	'cause it is modified old gnome3 or 2
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2021-05-23 11:20:11	usr123	So I just started neovim as my dev environment and I love it. But when I use Alt+Tab to switch to other programs, it's hard to land back to neovim as it also has the icon of terminal. Is there any way I can change the icon so it's easier to identify neovim? I'm using ubuntu 20.04
2021-05-23 11:21:00	triceratux	depends on the terminal & the de
2021-05-23 11:21:41	usr123	triceratux, I'm using gnome and the basic terminal that comes with ubuntu 20.04
2021-05-23 11:22:07	usr123	Not very sure but it's called bash maybe?
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2021-05-23 11:22:28	THE_GFR|WORK	hey everyone I have a Broadcom 9400-16i HBA here, and some SAS 12 gigabit backplanes connected.  I'm trying to use storcli64 on it to run commands and locate drives but I can't get the activity LEDs to do anything.  I tried to do ./storcli64 /c0 set activityforlocate=on but it failed
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2021-05-23 11:22:56	triceratux	usr123: possibly a separate *.desktop with a different "Icon=". that works in most of the windowmanagers & can be made to work in plasma. cant say for sure in gnome
2021-05-23 11:23:05	THE_GFR|WORK	basically just shows me the list of commands so I don't understand what's up
2021-05-23 11:23:12	THE_GFR|WORK	or how to set the option
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2021-05-23 11:23:17	usr123	triceratux, let me check that nout
2021-05-23 11:23:20	usr123	out*
2021-05-23 11:23:29	THE_GFR|WORK	since the default is to have the LEDs off but I can't get them to do anything in general
2021-05-23 11:23:43	THE_GFR|WORK	any ideas?
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2021-05-23 11:31:08	THE_GFR|WORK	I just don't know how to change any defaults
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2021-05-23 11:31:35	[R]	well if its showing you the list of commands, that generally means you're running it wrong
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2021-05-23 11:34:11	THE_GFR|WORK	[R]: of course because I don't know how to do the command to do what I want
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2021-05-23 11:34:19	THE_GFR|WORK	or how to change anything listed in "defaults"
2021-05-23 11:34:48	[R]	sounds like a conundrum
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2021-05-23 11:35:07	THE_GFR|WORK	some assistance would be nice
2021-05-23 11:35:18	THE_GFR|WORK	I wouldn't be asking here if I knew how to do it
2021-05-23 11:35:31	[R]	well obviously no one here knows what storcli64 is...
2021-05-23 11:35:37	[R]	i could start randomly guessing if you like
2021-05-23 11:36:01	[R]	did you try turning it off and on again?
2021-05-23 11:36:17	THE_GFR|WORK	how do you know nobody here knows what storcli64 is?
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2021-05-23 11:36:24	THE_GFR|WORK	do you know the minds of everyone here?
2021-05-23 11:36:32	THE_GFR|WORK	seriously
2021-05-23 11:36:43	[R]	well no one has answered you yet...
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2021-05-23 11:37:21	THE_GFR|WORK	yes, but that does not mean nobody knows, it only means that nobody has answered yet
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2021-05-23 11:37:44	THE_GFR|WORK	someone here might know, but are AFK for some reason.
2021-05-23 11:38:00	THE_GFR|WORK	you're assuming an awful lot
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2021-05-23 11:53:49	johnjay	how exactly does incrementally searching on google work? like say you want dvd burning software. but you don't know about brasero
2021-05-23 11:54:11	johnjay	i assume you would enter something like "make a dvd" or even "burn disc". but how do you go from not knowing the thing to finding it?
2021-05-23 11:54:43	johnjay	is it like a chain of searches each narrowing it more and more?
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2021-05-23 11:54:52	[R]	you searhc 'linux burn dvd'
2021-05-23 11:54:56	[R]	and the first hit tells you what to do
2021-05-23 11:55:00	[R]	is there something complicated about this?
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2021-05-23 12:22:05	nicholasBPM	I installed Ubuntu 20.04. I would like to route all traffic on port 80 to a web server on my local LAN, something like this xx.xx.xx.xx:80 -> 10.0.0.2. What should I search for?
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2021-05-23 12:26:34	NyB	hmm... what is the easiest way to tell if my distro has the Let's Encrypt root cert in its key store? Context: I tried to connect to libera.chat and got slapped with TLS errors...
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2021-05-23 12:28:08	[R]	what kind of broken dist do you have
2021-05-23 12:28:23	ayecee	NyB: the easiest way is to read the error message
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2021-05-23 12:29:03	rascul	nicholasBPM perhaps you need to forward the port at the router
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2021-05-23 12:29:18	NyB	ayecee: I did - it says the issuer is unknown. I'm assuming I'm missing the LE root certificate, but I dont actually know.
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2021-05-23 12:29:58	triceratux	hrm looks like they have an app https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=io.libera.android
2021-05-23 12:30:09	triceratux	do they have a web interface ?
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2021-05-23 12:30:55	nicholasBPM	rascul, thank you for your reply. I have two network interfaces, one connected to internet and one to a local switch.
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2021-05-23 12:31:19	rascul	that machine is the router? you can forward a port with iptables but i don't recall how
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2021-05-23 12:31:33	triceratux	hrm looks like no https://reprap.org/wiki/IRC
2021-05-23 12:31:33	ayecee	NyB: sounds incriminating alright
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2021-05-23 12:32:11	nicholasBPM	rascul, the linux computer. I will google iptables. Thank you.
2021-05-23 12:33:15	triceratux	there goes void https://voidlinux.org/news/2021/05/libera.html
2021-05-23 12:33:26	 *	triceratux had been taking a break from this stuff
2021-05-23 12:33:31	ayecee	where goes void
2021-05-23 12:33:38	triceratux	into the void
2021-05-23 12:33:47	ayecee	bye bye void
2021-05-23 12:34:38	triceratux	still studying these guys. cant imagine why anyone would want to be associated with them :) https://www.facebook.com/liberachat
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2021-05-23 12:36:02	ayecee	why's that
2021-05-23 12:36:24	NyB	them = the libera.char folks, or the voidlinux folks?
2021-05-23 12:36:33	ayecee	facebook
2021-05-23 12:36:42	ayecee	;)
2021-05-23 12:37:16	triceratux	history has already been written https://daniel.haxx.se/irchistory.html "In May 2021, there's a mass admin exodus from Freenode (after disagreements with the owner of parts of the infra) and many of the admins instead set camp over in the recently created libera.chat network. Many channels formerly on Freenode follows on over to libera."
2021-05-23 12:37:28	triceratux	its like it was preordained :)
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2021-05-23 12:38:08	ayecee	no doubt there was some planning involved
2021-05-23 12:38:10	triceratux	ayecee: nah its the shadowcat-mst. drRoy will prove to be no match for that guy
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2021-05-23 12:38:26	ayecee	i don't know what a shadowcat-mst is, or who drRoy was
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2021-05-23 12:39:35	ayecee	lots of talking, little communication
2021-05-23 12:40:09	rascul	i just see the typing
2021-05-23 12:40:34	NyB	ayecee: you mean about the whole he-said-she-said mess about Freenode?
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2021-05-23 12:40:54	ayecee	NyB: i mean triceratux and his vaguebooking
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2021-05-23 12:41:23	NyB	ah...
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2021-05-23 12:44:32	triceratux	real channels are deployed on all the nets. libera is actually a good thing https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Channels
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2021-05-23 12:48:48	triceratux	https://marketresearchtelecast.com/irc-network-freenode-is-dead-long-live-libera-chat/48768/
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2021-05-23 12:48:57	triceratux	thats a nice writeup
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2021-05-23 12:51:33	triceratux	well thereya go
2021-05-23 12:51:37	triceratux	"Speaking of the new project, Libera.chat popped into existence seemingly the same day all the volunteers resigned. Something this complex would have taken time and effort to build. This has been in the works for some time and feels very orchestrated."
2021-05-23 12:51:44	triceratux	https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/
2021-05-23 12:52:06	THE_GFR|WORK	hmm
2021-05-23 12:52:22	triceratux	its just a bataan lemming march. ill get with it in a few months or so :)
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2021-05-23 12:57:20	triceratux	also this cant be the same libera https://m.apkpure.com/libera-chat/io.libera.android
2021-05-23 12:57:26	 *	triceratux disambiguates
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2021-05-23 12:57:57	THE_GFR|WORK	hmm
2021-05-23 12:58:17	THE_GFR|WORK	still not sure how to get storcli64 to change any defaults
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2021-05-23 13:06:08	triceratux	hrm https://mdhughes.tech/2021/05/20/death-to-freenode-long-live-the-new-fleshww-libera-chat/
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2021-05-23 13:06:25	triceratux	folks this stuff is fascinating. its like twitter or something :)
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2021-05-23 13:08:03	triceratux	internet history is full of schisms like this. ive just never been at the centre of one before
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2021-05-23 13:09:37	ananke	you're the only one who keeps bringing this stuff up. are you bored? take it to twitter
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2021-05-23 13:09:54	ananke	senile drivel galore
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2021-05-23 13:11:41	triceratux	ok well its a given the guy is evil "Ouch! The fact that he was involved with Mt. Gox during the time of the disappearance of mucho bitcoin, is enough for me to be wary and skeptical of him and his company going forward!" https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/topic-split-irc-discussion/22275/32
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2021-05-23 13:12:07	triceratux	so i get that part. i agree the volunteers are miffed. its starting to make sense
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2021-05-23 13:14:47	NyB	triceratux: now, if only one could have an IRC client that connects to multiple networks at the same time... oh, wait.
2021-05-23 13:14:55	rascul	impossible
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2021-05-23 13:15:17	ananke	you're attempting to bring reason and logic, not going to fly with triceratux
2021-05-23 13:15:53	NyB	triceratux: my point: communities have a right to worry, and it makes sense that they may not want to fragment over several networks. But for most users, the whole thing is just reality-show entertainment.
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2021-05-23 13:18:57	NyB	as for the various mentions of privacy and at-risk communities... IRC was always intended to be an open forum, rather than a closed room, and it shows in the design. Privacy was never guaranteed, even if it was assumed occasionally.
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2021-05-23 13:54:49	velix	triceratux: Has it been at the simpsons, too?
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2021-05-23 13:55:07	velix	triceratux: In 1988 there was an episodes, where Homer switched his IRC chat
2021-05-23 13:55:15	velix	eh no, BBS, sorry :-)
2021-05-23 13:55:32	velix	Nobody likes humor :( eeeh homer :-)
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2021-05-23 13:55:58	triceratux	not quite. made it to china finally https://www.cnbeta.com/articles/tech/1130961.htm
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2021-05-23 13:57:15	velix	My god... today, there were 14 hours of Gordon Ramsey on German TV ;)
2021-05-23 13:57:19	velix	14
2021-05-23 13:57:20	velix	hours
2021-05-23 13:57:38	velix	oh sorry, just 12. my fault.
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2021-05-23 14:24:47	triceratux	thats ancient. it was on hackrnwz yesterday
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2021-05-23 14:37:57	HaJones	how do I read man pages? e.g. man ls there is something called (underlined)PATTERN that I use to search with, but in what format should pattern be? e.g. inside "" or '' or without? I can not find any info in the man page. and I can not do ctrl-] to use PATTERN as a link. is there an other way?
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2021-05-23 14:46:12	kerframil	HaJones: the GNU man pages can be of low quality. there's no explanation of what a shell pattern is, but you can read the glob(7) man page to get the information that you require.
2021-05-23 14:47:16	kerframil	HaJones: further, info(1) supports hyperlinks and the documentation is usually more thorough than the man pages for GNU projects. although, it wouldn't have helped in this case.
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2021-05-23 14:49:48	NyB	HaJones: perhaps you could mention the specific manpage you are referring to? Not all manpages are the same...
2021-05-23 14:50:37	kerframil	"e.g. man ls ..."
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2021-05-23 14:52:50	HaJones	kerframil. thanks for your help. If I would not know about globing is there a way from the 'man ls' page I can understand that this is applicable?
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2021-05-23 14:55:27	kerframil	HaJones: not directly, which is unfortunate. the ls(1) man page uses the term "shell pattern" and, through researching that, you might eventually realise that it's a reference to globbing. but there is no direct explanation and no reference to the glob(7) page either.
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2021-05-23 14:56:16	NyB	"shell pattern" is a rather unfortunate word choice, too - I suspect not all shells support the same patterns.
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2021-05-23 14:57:16	NyB	`info ls` at least has a couple examples
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2021-05-23 14:59:14	sauvin	When I see the term "shell pattern", I'll usually just assume bash.
2021-05-23 15:00:05	kerframil	NyB: I concur. a direct reference to the glob routine wouldn't go amiss.
2021-05-23 15:00:17	oxek	are there any "shell patterns" that only work in bash but not in zsh?
2021-05-23 15:00:29	sauvin	Or vice-versa? :D
2021-05-23 15:00:35	oxek	vice-versa definitely
2021-05-23 15:00:36	kerframil	definitely the latter.
2021-05-23 15:00:57	kerframil	probably the former, too, but I don't know zsh well enough to think of any examples off-hand.
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2021-05-23 15:01:38	oxek	there definitely are shell patterns that only work in zsh and not in bash, but I can't think of any that would work in bash but not in zsh
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2021-05-23 15:15:59	kerframil	oxek: bash extglobs. zsh has something similar, but they don't work the same way.
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2021-05-23 15:16:36	kerframil	although, it looks like zsh has a "ksh_glob" option that comes close. I should have guessed it.
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2021-05-23 15:19:21	StyXman	I have an external HD plugged via USB to a server. that disk is storing non critical data. the disk seems to get into sleep mode, but when I check its power support, I don't see any power control: https://dpaste.org/ou2K is there anything I could do?
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2021-05-23 15:25:34	StyXman	one of my thoughts is that, given there seems to be no device support for power control, is to in fact inhibit it going to sleep by accessing it at random places (to make sure I puncture through the read cache and make the disk spin).
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2021-05-23 15:38:59	HaJones	kerframil, thanks for your help :) I must say as a beginner with linux these kinds of things is of more interest to me than to me exotic options, but one thing does not exclude the other.
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2021-05-23 15:42:34	NyB	StyXman: this may or may not work on your USB drive: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Hdparm#Power_management_configuration
2021-05-23 15:42:47	NyB	(I've seen both)
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2021-05-23 15:50:03	noshem	hi, i'm trying to wipe an old sdcard, and just want to go through some errors i'm getting incase anyone has any suggestions
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2021-05-23 15:50:51	noshem	i'm in gparted and just tried to unmount some partitions of the sd card, and i'm getting a window come up that says "Error fsyncing/cosing /dev/mmcblk1p1: Input/output error
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2021-05-23 15:52:30	noshem	ok, i clicked "retry" and it apparently worked, i'm now trying to delete the only 2 partitions on the sd card, and then it started working for a few seconds then gave me an error: "Input/output error during write on /dev/mmcblk1"
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2021-05-23 15:55:41	noshem	ok i think the sdcard is just dead
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2021-05-23 15:56:13	NyB	noshem: looks like. SD cards are.. fragile.
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2021-05-23 15:56:30	Pazooza	What's an SD card?
2021-05-23 15:56:59	NyB	noshem: do try to clean the contacts on the card, just in case it's a bad contact, though
2021-05-23 15:57:35	CordialCatto	how can I insert a blank line whenever line prefix changes in a text file? let's say I have 5 lines starting with dog, then 5 lines starting with cat, and I want a blank line inbetween
2021-05-23 15:57:39	Pazooza	Oh, way back before microSD cards.
2021-05-23 15:58:03	NyB	Pazooza: same thing, different form-factor more or less...
2021-05-23 15:58:36	Pazooza	I have a couple dash cams that keep trashing microSD cards.
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2021-05-23 15:59:28	Pazooza	I guess they don't like rewrite or write over repeating.
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2021-05-23 16:00:26	NyB	Pazooza: dash cams should have a relatively benign access pattern - they use the card as a FIFO, which ensures wear-levelling
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2021-05-23 16:00:51	NyB	Pazooza: try using a larger & better SD card model
2021-05-23 16:01:17	Pazooza	I tried upping size, 32 gig now, same thing happens.
2021-05-23 16:01:49	StyXman	NyB: tx
2021-05-23 16:01:55	maxrazer	Does anyone use the Deadbeef player? There seems to be some problem where it won't start if it is trying to load a file that is missing or something similar to that. I had to launch Deadbeef with a command argument to open another file in order for it to start. Is anyone familiar with a problem like this? I have not encountered a problem with VLC or console players like this.
2021-05-23 16:02:29	maxrazer	The Deadbeef player was trying to resume a playlist and I think the file it was on was missing, so the player would refuse to launch.
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2021-05-23 16:02:46	maxrazer	The Deadbeef player will resume where it left off when you launch it.
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2021-05-23 16:03:36	Pazooza	I use VLC.
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2021-05-23 16:04:09	maxrazer	I'm using VLC since running into this problem. I liked deadbeef a lot. I got Deadbeef working again, but it has left me questioning Deadbeef's reliability.
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2021-05-23 16:04:54	maxrazer	I may also look at a console player again. I like MPV a lot for a lot of video needs, with SMPlayer as a front-end as needed. But, the alternative I go back and forth on is VLC as well.
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2021-05-23 16:06:50	c705	kfrench: don't worry, you're not missing anything
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2021-05-23 16:07:19	kfrench	There's been no shenanigans?
2021-05-23 16:07:51	c705	na
2021-05-23 16:08:13	kfrench	But there's plans, right?
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2021-05-23 16:08:55	c705	plans? what kind of plans?
2021-05-23 16:08:58	 *	[R] shenanigans with kfrench 
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2021-05-23 16:13:10	VMGuy23	I have a very old laptop as my secondary laptop, currently running Debian 10 with Raspberry Pi OS modifications. (x86 Raspberry Pi OS)
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2021-05-23 16:13:28	VMGuy23	What would be the best distro for it?
2021-05-23 16:13:43	VMGuy23	(HP Mini 210 2000, 1GB RAM with Intel Atom)
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2021-05-23 16:14:04	triceratux	https://antixlinux.com/antix-19-4-available/
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2021-05-23 16:14:09	[R]	sounds like you have one for it...
2021-05-23 16:14:38	VMGuy23	[R]: I'm looking for alternatives that might run faster.
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2021-05-23 16:14:51	[R]	its a pice of crap laptop
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2021-05-23 16:14:55	[R]	a magical dist isn't going to make it better
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2021-05-23 16:15:19	[R]	just use command line only
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2021-05-23 16:15:59	VMGuy23	I want desktop environment though.
2021-05-23 16:16:13	mnbvv	Just use KDE for everything. KDE rocks.
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2021-05-23 16:16:24	[R]	well, sound like you should get some better hardware then
2021-05-23 16:16:38	triceratux	kde doesnt rock in 1G :P
2021-05-23 16:16:43	ofd	You could avoid a DE altogether and just get a lightweight WM
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2021-05-23 16:17:13	VMGuy23	It's my secondary laptop that I have. Mainly asking to see how not-laggy it can be.
2021-05-23 16:17:16	mnbvv	Well here's the thing, if you're already going to use KDE programs like dolphin or krita or kdenlive, you might as well just go full KDE in the end.
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2021-05-23 16:17:29	VMGuy23	triceratux: Will try your suggestion
2021-05-23 16:17:30	ofd	Don't go full KDE on 1G of RAM
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2021-05-23 16:18:00	ofd	Although I don't see video editing on kdenlive working very well on that either
2021-05-23 16:18:10	VMGuy23	mnbvv: Don't use KDE apps that much, only Kdenlive because that's the only one I know how to use, and only use it on my main laptop
2021-05-23 16:18:21	mnbvv	Speaking of lightweight WM, does full compliance with EWMH truly matter?
2021-05-23 16:18:36	Thrasher194	i like gnome . to running org apps
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2021-05-23 16:19:05	VMGuy23	I like GNOME but it would get -1FPS on the laptop
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2021-05-23 16:19:14	triceratux	VMGuy23: look at fossapup. it uses ubuntu repos but its targeted at the old machines http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/test/fossapup/ also xubuntu-core can be pretty handy https://unit193.net/xubuntu/core/index.html
2021-05-23 16:19:22	VMGuy23	XFCE is a bit laggy
2021-05-23 16:19:32	ofd	If you are deadset on using a DE instead of a WM, use lxde or xfce at most
2021-05-23 16:19:42	mnbvv	Is lxde really feasible to use in 2021?
2021-05-23 16:19:47	ofd	yeah
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2021-05-23 16:19:53	[R]	mnbvv: what does "feasible" mean
2021-05-23 16:19:56	ofd	configure it and it can look pretty decent
2021-05-23 16:20:00	ofd	and it works fine
2021-05-23 16:20:15	mnbvv	Are you talking about the GTK2 or GTK3 port of lxde?
2021-05-23 16:20:18	VMGuy23	I mean, by DE I mean a WM with an app menu and dock/taskbar
2021-05-23 16:20:43	VMGuy23	Debian's LXDE comes with the OS I currently have.
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2021-05-23 16:21:36	VMGuy23	triceratux: Is fossapup 32-bit or 64-bit?
2021-05-23 16:21:39	mnbvv	I really want to use lxde, but since distros are going to be removing GTK2 soon, it feels like I'm delaying the inevitable.
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2021-05-23 16:21:53	VMGuy23	Pretty sure LXDE uses GTK3
2021-05-23 16:22:19	ofd	You could use dwm/bspwm for WM, rofi/dmenu for app menu, dock/taskbar use yabar I guess. VMGuy23
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2021-05-23 16:22:28	Mental_Inflation	use Antix
2021-05-23 16:22:45	VMGuy23	Will try Antix
2021-05-23 16:22:48	mnbvv	How important is EWMH?
2021-05-23 16:22:54	triceratux	VMGuy23: i think even barry gave up on 32bit https://blog.puppylinux.com/fossapup64-release
2021-05-23 16:23:49	VMGuy23	The laptop is 64-bit, mostly checking because will try both recommendations in a VM first
2021-05-23 16:24:32	ofd	mnbvv: if you don't comply with it then stuff can get pretty buggy, why?
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2021-05-23 16:25:07	triceratux	VMGuy23: i was just tidying up my fossapup. icewm on a 2G optiplex http://i.imgur.com/DwMwKJA.jpg
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2021-05-23 16:26:39	VMGuy23	I am trying both OSes in a VM before deciding which to install.
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2021-05-23 16:27:44	VMGuy23	I will give my VSs 1GB of RAM because that's what the laptop has
2021-05-23 16:27:45	triceratux	those are the best general purpose for earlier computers. you can always drop to grml, porteus, slitaz, tinycore, but youll suffer
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2021-05-23 16:28:07	VMGuy23	*VM
2021-05-23 16:28:14	VMGuy23	I will try both.
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2021-05-23 16:29:45	mnbvv	Is the GTK3 port of LXDE buggy?
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2021-05-23 16:30:12	ofd	there is also LXQT
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2021-05-23 16:31:43	mnbvv	Eh, I really liked the GTK versions of LXDE.
2021-05-23 16:31:57	calamari	I'm thinking about running a program (nextcloud) which is (or was) a hacking target. I'd like to prevent it from being able to access other files on my system, except specific external directories that I choose. I know how to accomplish that with a chroot jail. But, is there a more secure alternative I should be using instead?
2021-05-23 16:32:00	VMGuy23	how do I turn off AntiX
2021-05-23 16:32:33	VMGuy23	where's the shutdown button on AntiX
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2021-05-23 16:32:47	Lutin	Guys anyone doing an extra internal network for an example with SQL using docker ?
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2021-05-23 16:33:51	triceratux	VMGuy23: theres an icewm menu in the sw corner that says logout
2021-05-23 16:33:54	ofd	I have a systemctl service that works fine if I use systemctl start, but it does not run when the service is enabled. (After=systemd-user-sessions.service) Any thoughts on what I could be messing up?
2021-05-23 16:34:05	[R]	ofd: what is the error
2021-05-23 16:34:16	ofd	There is no error, it just does not run
2021-05-23 16:34:17	NyB	calamari: chroot < container (e.g. Docker) < VM. But either way, you should use a VPN and don't expose it to the public Internet, unless absolutely necessary
2021-05-23 16:34:33	[R]	ofd: did you eanble it?
2021-05-23 16:34:38	ofd	yeah
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2021-05-23 16:34:45	VMGuy23	Oh wait the logout button showed shutdown
2021-05-23 16:34:49	[R]	are its dependneices met?
2021-05-23 16:34:52	NyB	calamari: (also VM < [separate physical computer on a DMZ])
2021-05-23 16:34:58	ofd	yeah [R]
2021-05-23 16:35:02	[R]	then it would be starting
2021-05-23 16:35:10	ofd	starting?
2021-05-23 16:35:42	[R]	you said its not running and theres no error, therefore theres somethign wrong with its dependnecies
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2021-05-23 16:35:54	ofd	it does not have any dependencies
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2021-05-23 16:35:59	[R]	you said theres an after=
2021-05-23 16:36:07	ofd	yeah there is that, but that runs fine
2021-05-23 16:36:10	[R]	how is that not a dependency?
2021-05-23 16:36:26	ofd	my mistake, it is. there is no issue with it, as it starts and runs fine
2021-05-23 16:36:38	ofd	After that starts, my service should, but it does not.
2021-05-23 16:36:40	calamari	NyB: You're right. I'm overcomplicating this by trying to use one machine for everything. I should simplify this and just put it on a Raspberry Pi that's not accessible outside the router. Thanks.
2021-05-23 16:36:41	[R]	then its not enabled
2021-05-23 16:37:03	ofd	I've ran sudo systemctl enable [service] many times
2021-05-23 16:37:29	NyB	calamari: the suggestion about a VPN still stands
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2021-05-23 16:37:58	NyB	(a locally-hosted VPN, I mean, not a VPN service provider)
2021-05-23 16:38:27	calamari	NyB: Oh, so that I would have to connect to the VPN to access it even on my local network?
2021-05-23 16:39:02	VMGuy23	AntiX chosen.
2021-05-23 16:39:07	NyB	calamari: from the LAN, probably not, but a VPN would allow you to securely access local services from the outside
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2021-05-23 16:42:26	calamari	NyB: True. Looks like there's a Wireguard android client, too. Appreciate the suggestion.
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2021-05-23 16:50:51	NyB	calamari: I've heard good words about it, but I've never used it myself
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2021-05-23 16:51:23	NyB	calamari: in any case, it'd make it possible to keep Nextcloud away from the public network
2021-05-23 16:51:31	calamari	NyB: I used it at my last workplace. It seemed faster than OpenVPN.
2021-05-23 16:51:36	NyB	you'd only have to worry about internal users :-)
2021-05-23 16:52:08	calamari	It's a great idea. Thank you.
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2021-05-23 17:43:59	StyXman	NyB: I hope that works, because once the external disk goes to sleep, there's no waking it up
2021-05-23 17:44:13	StyXman	(so I'm not really sure itś a spin down thing, but I'll try)
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2021-05-23 17:44:59	StyXman	also:
2021-05-23 17:45:01	StyXman	/dev/sdb:
2021-05-23 17:45:01	StyXman	 APM_level      = 128
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2021-05-23 17:45:11	StyXman	sio in theory it's not spinning down
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2021-05-23 17:45:17	 *	StyXman sets it to 255
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2021-05-23 17:46:04	StyXman	I even hope this is not critical: https://dpaste.org/vJS7
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2021-05-23 17:52:01	NyB	StyXman: what about `hdparm -S 0` ?
2021-05-23 17:52:20	NyB	AFAICT -S controls the spin-down timeout directly
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2021-05-23 18:12:21	ralinux	hi guys my keyboard and touchpad freezes randomly and I have to reboot everytime o push power button, what could be?
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2021-05-23 18:12:46	ralinux	checked on ubuntu, debian, manjaro, in windows works perfectly
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2021-05-23 18:16:22	oxek	ralinux: does the screen still update when the keyboard/touchpad freezes?
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2021-05-23 18:17:03	ralinux	oxek: not checked that detail
2021-05-23 18:17:36	oxek	ralinux: because it might be the video freezing due to graphics issues, rather than touchpad/keyboard freezing
2021-05-23 18:17:51	ralinux	ah!
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2021-05-23 18:18:40	ralinux	I should wait, but how can I see if video keeps updating?
2021-05-23 18:18:48	ralinux	battery level may be?
2021-05-23 18:18:51	oxek	see if the time updates in the clock
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2021-05-23 18:19:22	ralinux	ok, very intelligent appreciation
2021-05-23 18:19:32	oxek	or just have something moving on the screen somewhere
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2021-05-23 18:19:38	ralinux	and if it does or it does not?
2021-05-23 18:20:01	oxek	next test would be inserting a usb keyboard+mouse and see if things start responding
2021-05-23 18:20:02	ralinux	if it does is not graphics issues
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2021-05-23 18:20:16	oxek	though my bet would really be on graphics issue
2021-05-23 18:20:19	ralinux	usb works, but not the keyboard
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2021-05-23 18:20:36	ralinux	oxek, thank you very much
2021-05-23 18:20:47	ralinux	now on windows, I will try on linux
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2021-05-23 18:21:05	ralinux	may be tomorrow, time to sleep in Spain
2021-05-23 18:21:27	ralinux	a little step forward, thanks for tips
2021-05-23 18:21:31	ralinux	!
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2021-05-23 18:22:34	ralinux	Descripción de adaptador	Intel(R) UHD Graphics
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2021-05-23 18:36:59	xuxx	hi, I want to generate a key pair of 128 bits. ssh-keygen -b 128 -t rsa => Invalid RSA key length: minimum is 1024 bits. How can I do ? In my country I shouldn't create key with a bigger size than 128 bits
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2021-05-23 18:45:31	de-facto	does anyone have an idea how to setup tt-rss in debian?
2021-05-23 18:45:40	de-facto	it only comes with a docker and i cant use that
2021-05-23 18:46:07	de-facto	i hoped it would be easy like https://gist.github.com/IcyEyeG/20854789dd6ab1953ba7b5c51f6c20c6
2021-05-23 18:46:13	de-facto	but there is no installer or anything
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2021-05-23 18:46:57	de-facto	all it gives is a cryptic error Exception while creating PDO object:SQLSTATE[08006] [7] FATAL:  database "host=db" does not exist
2021-05-23 18:47:56	de-facto	help for users is not exactly friendly https://community.tt-rss.org/t/database-host-db-does-not-exist/4482
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2021-05-23 19:00:25	de-facto	hmm there is no documentation, hence i have to guess
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2021-05-23 19:01:34	rascul	doesn't seem cryptic, it tells you exactly what the issue is
2021-05-23 19:02:02	rascul	you appear to have it configured to use a database called "host=db" and that database does not exist
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2021-05-23 19:02:46	immibis	well the confusion comes from the fact(o) that they are installing some package, not writing their own code
2021-05-23 19:03:19	rascul	following the gist instructions, tt-rss is installed from a github repo
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2021-05-23 19:03:29	rascul	er, git repo
2021-05-23 19:03:43	rascul	there is a debian package, though   https://packages.debian.org/buster/tt-rss
2021-05-23 19:04:09	rascul	either way, it will need to be properly configured to know the database to use
2021-05-23 19:04:28	rascul	no clue if debian's package would set that up by default
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2021-05-23 19:10:06	de-facto	i was able to guess from the class/config.php https://pastebin.com/43fmyyuz
2021-05-23 19:10:18	de-facto	i wonder why they would not document such basic things like initial setup
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2021-05-23 19:38:35	VMGuy2389	cant do anything right now but WiFi wasn't working on antix
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2021-05-23 19:38:58	VMGuy2389	how do i get it to work
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2021-05-23 19:41:04	VMGuy2389	i got my Ethernet cable stuck in it and it wont come out, wired isn't really an option if i want to be able to use the internet cable with my main laptop
2021-05-23 19:41:19	triceratux	he thinks hes got it working. says to use conman https://antixlinux.com/wifi-with-connman-antix-19-2/
2021-05-23 19:41:31	VMGuy2389	nice
2021-05-23 19:41:44	VMGuy2389	haven't tried conman yet
2021-05-23 19:41:54	VMGuy2389	will try tomorrow
2021-05-23 19:42:04	triceratux	he may have omitted a blob here & there but its supposed to work
2021-05-23 19:42:26	VMGuy2389	i hope it does
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2021-05-23 19:42:37	triceratux	im on antix 19.4 right now. dont have wifi. does everything i need
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2021-05-23 19:43:41	VMGuy2389	i move this laptop quite a lot
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2021-05-23 19:45:08	triceratux	that icewm 3.2.4 in 19.4 is proof icewm is still under active development. a few years ago it couldnt build a dynamic xdg menu. antix now does that ootb
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2021-05-23 19:45:35	triceratux	*icewm 2.3.4
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2021-05-23 19:46:01	VMGuy2389	had no idea which version
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2021-05-23 19:47:43	VMGuy2389	sometimes dragging a window around feels a bit unresponsive but generally good
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2021-05-23 19:49:43	rngmaster	hello, how do i extract a parts rar file with multi threat, i tried ark, 7z unrar with no special comands it takes way too much time for the hardware im using
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2021-05-23 19:55:06	rngmaster	like my cpu is using 6% and the disk about the same.. doesnt rar support multi threading ?
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2021-05-23 20:08:06	oush9	hey
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2021-05-23 20:23:21	JayDoubleu	can I add more drives at later date to existing raid0 on btrfs ?
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2021-05-23 20:30:00	jessia	hey
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2021-05-23 20:30:35	jessia	not 100% on topic but i want free software screen rec for android
2021-05-23 20:31:10	jessia	prefrably in f-droid, noh bloated
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2021-05-23 20:32:08	jessia	anyone?
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2021-05-23 20:32:48	 *	enyc meows jessia 
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2021-05-23 20:41:57	drakonan	So what is the cool new  modern web 3.0 way to to host a simple web site?
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2021-05-23 20:42:48	zidbon	I like mobizen
2021-05-23 20:43:24	zidbon	Has a watermark on the free version but it's cool.
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2021-05-23 20:44:10	jessia	free software not as in money
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2021-05-23 20:44:47	jessia	free as in fredom
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2021-05-23 20:45:08	jessia	mobizen is proprietary
2021-05-23 20:45:11	zidbon	Oh, I'm seeing ScreenCam?
2021-05-23 20:45:55	jessia	i thought about it buh it still send back analitiks so idk
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2021-05-23 20:46:29	jessia	i was hoping no get something clean of thatkind of stuff
2021-05-23 20:46:36	jessia	*to
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2021-05-23 20:48:47	zidbon	Gotcha. Maybe msg the dev and see if there is a way to prevent analitiks.
2021-05-23 20:50:18	jessia	i mean i can sandbox it or whatever but can't i sandbox what'sapp and get in the zucked lifestyle?
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2021-05-23 20:50:50	jessia	or are ttey harmless analitics and fdroid is overreacting?
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2021-05-23 20:51:38	jessia	u know what fuck it
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2021-05-23 20:53:45	zidbon	It's the best that I'm seeing so far for what you are looking for.
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2021-05-23 21:07:55	Seiryu	I'm guessing it's a bad idea to unmount and increase the size of my home partition while I'm logged on?
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2021-05-23 21:10:24	treefrob	Seiryu, that depends
2021-05-23 21:10:25	iflema	maybe
2021-05-23 21:10:52	treefrob	well, if you were able to unmount it, you weren't using it
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2021-05-23 21:12:09	Seiryu	I see. If that's possible at all while I'm the only user of my system, I guess it's worth a try.
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2021-05-23 21:17:48	Seiryu	Thanks for the reply btw!
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2021-05-23 21:20:27	iflema	single
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2021-05-23 21:30:23	quackquack	This should serve as one big fat warning! https://del.dog/olomopowyc.txt
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2021-05-23 21:30:58	ayecee	risky click
2021-05-23 21:31:18	quackquack	ayecee: how is it risky?
2021-05-23 21:31:27	ayecee	in pretty much every way
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2021-05-23 21:31:56	quackquack	sigh.
2021-05-23 21:32:00	ayecee	obscure domain name, vague description of the content
2021-05-23 21:32:02	quackquack	use tor browser then?
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2021-05-23 21:32:23	quackquack	I'll paste the content in here instead then.
2021-05-23 21:32:23	ayecee	probably a browser 0-day
2021-05-23 21:32:31	quackquack	lmao
2021-05-23 21:32:43	quackquack	okay, .. now.. you got me.
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2021-05-23 21:32:56	quackquack	[2021-05-24T00:52:20.849Z] <happyquack> I seriously don't understand any of you guys... just move to libera? It's exactly the freenode we had and wants. End of discussion?
2021-05-23 21:33:02	quackquack	[2021-05-24T00:53:28.532Z] *** happyquack (~goe@gateway/tor-sasl/goe) quit (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.)))
2021-05-23 21:33:07	ayecee	don't paste here
2021-05-23 21:33:07	quackquack	that's the gist.
2021-05-23 21:33:24	ayecee	a warning of what
2021-05-23 21:34:47	ayecee	oh. drama warning.
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2021-05-24 18:38:22	--	Topic for ##linux is "Infra is officially in place on irc.libera.chat. We're still here, at least for a while. No SMS-speak (like u, ur, etc). Pastebin: <command> | nc termbin.com 9999"
2021-05-24 18:38:22	--	Topic set by jim on Fri, 21 May 2021 10:35:18
2021-05-24 18:38:22	--	Channel ##linux: 1425 nicks (0 ops, 0 voices, 1425 normals)
2021-05-24 18:38:23	--	Channel created on Fri, 09 Feb 2001 18:16:24
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2021-05-24 18:38:50	pingfloyd	it's like half way in topping flash with html5 they quit caring
2021-05-24 18:38:56	pingfloyd	once flash died, they quit trying
2021-05-24 18:39:05	jelly	I used like "google-chrome-stable --enable-accelerated-video-decode --enable-gpu-rasterization --enable-zero-copy" and that broke again recently and I don't even bother any more
2021-05-24 18:39:14	rangergord	I'm honestly gonna switch to Linux for my next PC, unless the situation gets a lot worse. If I get a desktop PC, custom-assembled, and I go for dual GPU for VFIO GPU passthrough, I'll get native Windows gaming performance via a VM. Or maybe I'll grow up and stop playing videogames altogether.
2021-05-24 18:39:44	jelly	rangergord, you never grow up, you just grow old
2021-05-24 18:39:51	pingfloyd	rangergord: or keep windows running on your best performing computer for game, and then run linux on your other systems
2021-05-24 18:39:53	rangergord	but that's more because of privacy concerns on Windows than because Linux is a good desktop
2021-05-24 18:40:09	rangergord	pingfloyd: I just have a single "gaming laptop", nothing else
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2021-05-24 18:40:20	rangergord	if it becomes obsolete or too expensive to repair in a few years, I'll get a new system
2021-05-24 18:40:28	pingfloyd	rangergord: if you play demanding games, I'd keep a dual boot then
2021-05-24 18:40:46	pingfloyd	rangergord: VMs are fine except for stuff like that
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2021-05-24 18:41:09	rangergord	dual-boot is too annoying. What I'm doing now is have native Windows  + games, and run Linux in a VM. I could simply swap this around (Linux host, Windows VM) with the right parts, thanks to VFIO
2021-05-24 18:41:15	pingfloyd	rangergord: there's noobs out there that actually believe emulation is magically faster than native though.
2021-05-24 18:41:27	pingfloyd	rangergord: they just got more hardware than they can use
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2021-05-24 18:42:15	--	Topic set by jim on Fri, 21 May 2021 10:35:18
2021-05-24 18:42:15	--	Channel ##linux: 1425 nicks (0 ops, 0 voices, 1425 normals)
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2021-05-24 18:42:20	rangergord	and if the VM has direct access to the GPU (via VFIO), then that's  it, native performance
2021-05-24 18:42:21	pingfloyd	you know, that user with 32 GiB of ram, but only ever utilize 8 if that on their most demanding days.
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2021-05-24 18:42:54	pingfloyd	rangergord: yeah, through VT-X etc
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2021-05-24 18:42:59	rangergord	that's right
2021-05-24 18:43:01	pingfloyd	rangergord: it's still not the same performance though
2021-05-24 18:43:03	pingfloyd	as native
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2021-05-24 18:43:12	pingfloyd	people hype it
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2021-05-24 18:43:51	rangergord	Maybe not, but I don't think it's more than a 2% penalty or I would notice. And my compilation times for the same C++ project being faster in the VM, blew my mind
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2021-05-24 18:44:09	pingfloyd	but that's compilation
2021-05-24 18:44:19	rangergord	yes, a very CPU and disk intensive operation
2021-05-24 18:44:22	rangergord	and memory
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2021-05-24 18:44:28	rangergord	it's a great benchmark
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2021-05-24 18:44:36	pingfloyd	latency doesn't matter there
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2021-05-24 18:44:51	pingfloyd	so it's different
2021-05-24 18:45:12	rangergord	I don't see why there would be latency. I've never had input latency using VMs for the past few years.
2021-05-24 18:45:25	pingfloyd	it's like which does the user define as good performance?  Getting the task done processing faster?  Or the system maintaining responsiveness under heavy load?
2021-05-24 18:45:46	pingfloyd	they're different goals, and things can be tuned toward or the other.
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2021-05-24 18:45:54	pingfloyd	such as changing scheduler
2021-05-24 18:46:06	pingfloyd	and tweaking with other kernel parameters etc
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2021-05-24 18:46:29	pingfloyd	gaming is more about low latency than high bandwidth
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2021-05-24 18:46:35	rangergord	I definitely don't intend to go that deep. Just regular Ubuntu LTS desktop + VFIO Windows VM.
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2021-05-24 18:46:54	rangergord	Maybe I'll ask someone who already does VFIO to do some benchmarks
2021-05-24 18:47:22	rangergord	There's gotta be some crossplatform CPU+disk+ benchmark, to compare a Windows VM to native Windows
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2021-05-24 18:47:46	rangergord	err, doesnt need to be crossplatform
2021-05-24 18:47:58	rangergord	gtg, adios
2021-05-24 18:48:06	rangergord	Sauvin: ttyl thx
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2021-05-24 18:50:09	jim	rangergord, real brave there... sauvin isn't even here
2021-05-24 18:51:08	treefrob	ttyl? is that the *secret* tty, something like /dev/console?
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2021-05-24 18:51:21	pingfloyd	no, it's shorthand for talk to you later
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2021-05-24 18:51:26	treefrob	oh
2021-05-24 18:51:37	pingfloyd	guess that's an old school one now
2021-05-24 18:51:54	pingfloyd	used to be a very common way of saying bye in a game, over irc, over text, etc.
2021-05-24 18:52:09	jim	to be explicit, you obviously know we have policy against sms-speak (things like ttyl, tthx, gtg)
2021-05-24 18:52:12	treefrob	ahh, all the stuff that is frowned upon here...
2021-05-24 18:52:20	pingfloyd	jim: it's no sms speak
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2021-05-24 18:52:26	pingfloyd	jim: it's speak older than freenode
2021-05-24 18:52:43	pingfloyd	I remember it being common back in the days of doom
2021-05-24 18:52:54	pingfloyd	so maybe it's more BBS-speak
2021-05-24 18:53:24	jim	ok :)
2021-05-24 18:53:34	pingfloyd	that's where I learned it.  A friend in doom told me "ttyl" and I was like what does that mean?
2021-05-24 18:53:50	pingfloyd	there was lots of shorthand then, because all we had was text to communicate in the game
2021-05-24 18:54:37	treefrob	doom... wow
2021-05-24 18:54:50	treefrob	I played that on a 486dx2
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2021-05-24 18:56:16	jim	486dx4-100 in an asus sp3g mobo
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2021-05-24 18:56:59	pingfloyd	I played it on a Pentium 90
2021-05-24 18:57:11	kfrench	It's all about the Pentiums.
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2021-05-24 18:57:52	jim	kfrench, if you spell pentium sideways, result is ineptum
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2021-05-24 19:01:18	altwulf	If you have a Pentium and then you get another, does that mean you have two Pentia?
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2021-05-24 19:06:28	oxek	altwulf: you'd have a dekaium
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2021-05-24 19:07:57	treefrob	jim, how the hell do you remember the model of the mobo?
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2021-05-24 19:10:01	pingfloyd	only thing I ever remember with motherboard are their architecture code-names
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2021-05-24 19:20:50	treefrob	what's the name of the libera channel that is supposed to be the analog of this one?
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2021-05-24 19:32:06	treefrob	c705, thanks
2021-05-24 19:32:29	treefrob	apparently /list returns different results depending on whether one is registered
2021-05-24 19:33:19	altwulf	/list won't list hidden channels unless you happen to be in them.
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2021-05-24 19:34:56	triceratux	https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=Libera.Chat this isnt bad but the channels over 400 joins keep dropping out of the list
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2021-05-24 19:36:24	triceratux	rofl archlinux made the jump
2021-05-24 19:36:34	 *	triceratux only looked away for an hour or so
2021-05-24 19:37:00	treefrob	seems so
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2021-05-24 19:37:20	treefrob	does libera describe their infrastructure anywhere?
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2021-05-24 19:37:55	subsume	probably perl
2021-05-24 19:38:35	treefrob	I mean of their network: where servers are located, how many, etc
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2021-05-24 19:38:47	triceratux	probably in here somewhere https://libera.chat/
2021-05-24 19:38:57	treefrob	yeah, looking, but not finding
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2021-05-24 19:39:43	subsume	a garage somewhere
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2021-05-24 19:39:48	rascul	get out of my garage
2021-05-24 19:40:18	subsume	surprise: your garage is owned by a crown prince
2021-05-24 19:40:33	triceratux	thats why the netsplit view is useful https://netsplit.de/servers/?net=Libera.Chat
2021-05-24 19:40:34	rascul	no princes in my garage
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2021-05-24 19:41:19	treefrob	not in... owned by
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2021-05-24 19:41:32	rascul	no princes own my garage
2021-05-24 19:41:50	subsume	1st you need to turn down the bribe PM sent
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2021-05-24 19:42:02	rascul	i wish someone would bribe me
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2021-05-24 19:42:20	treefrob	I'll give you €2
2021-05-24 19:42:28	rascul	for what?
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2021-05-24 19:42:35	treefrob	hmm, a good word?
2021-05-24 19:42:38	rascul	ok
2021-05-24 19:42:42	 *	rascul gives treefrob a good word
2021-05-24 19:42:47	loganlee	good morning
2021-05-24 19:42:50	loganlee	about to begin my routine
2021-05-24 19:43:01	treefrob	IBAN?
2021-05-24 19:43:07	rascul	mornings are when i try hard not to begin my routine
2021-05-24 19:43:13	rascul	but eventually i have to give in
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2021-05-24 19:44:42	 *	treefrob gives rascul €2
2021-05-24 19:44:50	rascul	thanks
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2021-05-24 19:44:56	treefrob	any time :)
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2021-05-24 19:45:38	 *	rascul gives treefrob a moose
2021-05-24 19:45:54	 *	treefrob puts it in his garden
2021-05-24 19:46:01	rascul	you have a moose garden?
2021-05-24 19:46:09	 *	kfrench teaches the moose to steal hats from people in the park.
2021-05-24 19:46:11	treefrob	now, it seems
2021-05-24 19:46:19	rascul	kfrench hey not that again
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2021-05-24 19:46:42	 *	rascul looks around to make sure there's not an ostrich nearby
2021-05-24 19:46:47	treefrob	is off-topic ok if on-topic=null?
2021-05-24 19:46:55	rascul	yesish
2021-05-24 19:47:05	rascul	as long as we don't get too crazy and we shut up when some linuxing happens
2021-05-24 19:47:15	 *	treefrob feels jim's breath on the back of his neck
2021-05-24 19:47:16	rascul	also, no politics
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2021-05-24 19:47:35	rascul	usually
2021-05-24 19:47:43	treefrob	ok
2021-05-24 19:47:45	jim	treefrob, it was pretty small, and was the only one that had a scsi chip in it
2021-05-24 19:48:12	treefrob	burned into your memory, apparently
2021-05-24 19:48:13	rascul	note that i'm just a nobody and people like jim have the final say
2021-05-24 19:48:27	rascul	jim is one of our overlords
2021-05-24 19:48:28	treefrob	yeah, SCSI was a Big Deal then
2021-05-24 19:48:42	rascul	a benevolent overlord, though
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2021-05-24 19:48:58	treefrob	it would seem he's less lordy now here and more lordy on libera
2021-05-24 19:49:03	loganlee	i craving eating at mcdonalds
2021-05-24 19:49:07	loganlee	i'm
2021-05-24 19:49:10	jim	well I don't consider myself that; I tried to make this a cool, safe place. unfortunately, I can no longer do that
2021-05-24 19:49:12	treefrob	loganlee, that's disgusting
2021-05-24 19:49:14	rascul	i don't keep track of lordy levels
2021-05-24 19:49:27	 *	c705 knights rascul 
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2021-05-24 19:50:13	jim	loganlee, are those new chicken sandwiches any good?
2021-05-24 19:50:14	treefrob	jim, in fact I find your lording fairly moderate
2021-05-24 19:50:22	treefrob	no pun intended
2021-05-24 19:50:43	loganlee	jim: i'm not sure... i was just thinking of bic mac
2021-05-24 19:50:55	jim	treefrob, yeah, I never wanted to be a "heavy"
2021-05-24 19:50:57	treefrob	that the one with pens in it?
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2021-05-24 19:52:01	rascul	big macs come with pens?
2021-05-24 19:52:03	jim	someone taught me how to scramble eggs in the microwave... very effective
2021-05-24 19:52:31	treefrob	rascul, probably not, but bic macs might
2021-05-24 19:52:41	rascul	oh, you have a point there
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2021-05-24 19:52:55	treefrob	:)
2021-05-24 19:53:01	rascul	also might be a lighter, though
2021-05-24 19:53:05	treefrob	true
2021-05-24 19:53:11	treefrob	jim, that's a joke?
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2021-05-24 19:53:28	jim	no, tried it a few times
2021-05-24 19:53:47	rascul	my dad microwaves eggs
2021-05-24 19:53:56	treefrob	ok, now you've piqued my interest. how does one do that?
2021-05-24 19:53:59	rascul	i don't eat eggs but i can cook them outside of the microwave
2021-05-24 19:54:06	rascul	i dunno how to microwave them
2021-05-24 19:54:30	 *	treefrob imagines "buzz buzzz buzzz BOOM"
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2021-05-24 19:54:50	jim	basically two eggs, crack em into microwave-safe dish, then repeat: cook hi 30 secs, stir, evaluate until they're like you like em
2021-05-24 19:55:00	rascul	seems to me that cooking eggs on the stove is generally quick and easy enough and that microwaved eggs would taste funny, but i'm not an egg eater
2021-05-24 19:55:21	treefrob	no milk, no salt, pepper, or spices?
2021-05-24 19:55:23	rascul	i prefer my chickens hatched
2021-05-24 19:55:27	jim	well use egg beater before cooking, and add a bit of milk (optionally)
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2021-05-24 19:55:50	treefrob	I generally add Herbes de Provence
2021-05-24 19:56:25	jim	treefrob, I'm not good with spices... what I've been doing instead, is go out and get a burrito as a bowl, and when done, add the eggs to that
2021-05-24 19:56:48	treefrob	"not good with" means you don't like them?
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2021-05-24 19:57:03	jim	sorry, I'll stop my offtopicness
2021-05-24 19:57:36	jim	no, there are lots and lots of spices, and I don't understand when and why to use which
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2021-05-24 19:57:45	treefrob	so, is linux better than Windows?
2021-05-24 19:57:49	treefrob	:)
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2021-05-24 19:58:18	jim	well, when you open a linux, you don't get a breeze
2021-05-24 19:58:33	rascul	i never really understood why people put such gaping holes in perfectly good walls
2021-05-24 19:58:40	loganlee	treefrob: yes it is but desktop linux is not popular i guess because of steep learning curve
2021-05-24 19:59:01	rascul	windows is just a pane in the glass though
2021-05-24 19:59:06	treefrob	loganlee, that was a joke, in response to jim's comment on off-topicness
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2021-05-24 19:59:23	loganlee	ok
2021-05-24 19:59:36	treefrob	it's the typical start of a religious war
2021-05-24 19:59:50	rascul	which religions?
2021-05-24 20:00:03	treefrob	the smarter against the dumber
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2021-05-24 20:00:16	rascul	i don't follow either religion
2021-05-24 20:00:25	rascul	i guess this war is going to happen without me
2021-05-24 20:00:38	jim	I'm proud to say the population here isn't susceptable to *-wars
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2021-05-24 20:00:58	treefrob	we could also discuss if systemd is a feature or a fiendish trojan
2021-05-24 20:01:04	rascul	wars here tend to be a bit mild
2021-05-24 20:01:07	jim	unless it involves R2D2
2021-05-24 20:01:31	rascul	jim i didn't think anyone had mentioned star trek
2021-05-24 20:01:32	treefrob	almost the name of a classic DEC disk drive...
2021-05-24 20:01:55	treefrob	you must get the occasional "he's dead, jim" comment
2021-05-24 20:01:57	jim	not *-trek, *-wars
2021-05-24 20:02:05	jim	yeah
2021-05-24 20:02:08	rascul	aren't they pretty much the same thing?
2021-05-24 20:02:11	rascul	;)
2021-05-24 20:02:34	jim	and rhodiumtoad likes to use my name in his postgres examples
2021-05-24 20:03:04	treefrob	there are worse fates
2021-05-24 20:03:04	rascul	you're an example for the world
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2021-05-24 20:03:26	jim	I get the "hes dead jim" comments even when people don't realize I'
2021-05-24 20:03:42	jim	am present on the channel...
2021-05-24 20:04:03	treefrob	what's the fun of making that comment if you are absent?
2021-05-24 20:04:20	rascul	kinda mean to talk about someone behind their back
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2021-05-24 20:04:55	rascul	well i guess it's not mean if you say nice things
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2021-05-24 20:05:17	rascul	i guess it's also mean if you say bad things in front of their back
2021-05-24 20:05:58	rascul	i wonder where the back stops and the front starts
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2021-05-24 20:07:11	rascul	is it right in the middle? or is there a line somewhere? or maybe an in between area?
2021-05-24 20:07:37	treefrob	gn!
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2021-05-24 20:07:47	rascul	i wonder who the authority is on defining the front and the back
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2021-05-24 20:47:11	altwulf	PSA: ##linux has an official presence on Libera (irc.libera.chat). It is suggested that people consider migrating to it.
2021-05-24 20:47:25	c705	altwulf: we know thanks
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2021-05-24 20:48:02	altwulf	c705, why do you think I didn't set some kind of timer event to fire that message off every so many miutes?
2021-05-24 20:48:06	altwulf	Minutes.
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2021-05-24 20:52:38	RipFreenode[llf]	SUPPORT LLF (LET'S LEAVE FREENODE) BY ONLY WRITING IN CAPSLOCK FROM NOW. ADD [llf] TO YOUR NICK!
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2021-05-24 20:56:28	loganlee	lol that bot connects via tor
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2021-05-24 21:10:52	loganlee	i should make a youtube vid about erc because i found out how to write function to connect to irc servers and authenticate and via tls and all that good stuff
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2021-05-24 21:12:49	loganlee	i'll get to it soon
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2021-05-24 21:17:01	triceratux	https://archlinux.org/news/move-of-official-irc-channels-to-liberachat/
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2021-05-24 21:22:29	pikapika	Hey triceratux did we just have a netsplit?
2021-05-24 21:22:33	pikapika	I was on a tiny island for a brief while
2021-05-24 21:23:17	polardroid	so if freenode was sold, who got the money ?
2021-05-24 21:23:20	novelcoronavirus	ur an island
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2021-05-24 21:24:38	125AAAJMX	hi
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2021-05-24 21:26:27	novelcoronavirus	polardroid, lizards
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2021-05-24 21:31:56	Nickwiz	No one has claimed the funds yet https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/5/24/31
2021-05-24 21:32:02	triceratux	polardroid: https://anarc.at/blog/2021-05-24-leaving-freenode/
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2021-05-24 21:34:31	triceratux	nice optimistic outlook
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2021-05-24 21:42:55	polardroid	thanks triceratux, I've read several articles and it does "create" a sort of emotional response also I've read the channels list and noticed them announcing this exodus
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2021-05-24 21:43:39	polardroid	some not all  to be continued....
2021-05-24 21:44:03	triceratux	yep & then theres the gentoo developer impersonators https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/20/Freenode.html
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2021-05-24 21:44:22	triceratux	all the freaks are out :)
2021-05-24 21:45:40	triceratux	aaaand there goes the ars article https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by-the-crown-prince-of-korea/
2021-05-24 21:45:43	polardroid	I still am not clear how this "sale" was made, by the current freenode lead and where did the money go
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2021-05-24 21:46:14	altwulf	Might have been a down-payment to the Korean Prince's new mansion.
2021-05-24 21:46:36	rascul	any pics of the mansion?
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2021-05-24 21:47:41	pikapika	rascul, hi
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2021-05-24 21:47:55	rascul	hi hi
2021-05-24 21:47:58	pikapika	Some people seem to have /quit freenode for good
2021-05-24 21:48:04	rascul	so it would appear
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2021-05-24 21:48:26	jim	yeah, more and more, freenode seems to be a dangerous place
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2021-05-24 21:50:34	novelcoronavirus	jim will protect us
2021-05-24 21:50:53	 *	triceratux uses jim as a human shield
2021-05-24 21:51:11	[R]	like a back alley where peopel are shooting up
2021-05-24 21:51:16	novelcoronavirus	##linux new home is on liberia.chat
2021-05-24 21:51:34	loganlee	freenode is sold to a korean?
2021-05-24 21:52:13	polardroid	so they say although Andrew Lee has been pretty good to the opensource community for many years
2021-05-24 21:52:48	loganlee	<----- korean
2021-05-24 21:53:23	novelcoronavirus	freenode is sold to a lizard man
2021-05-24 21:53:31	[R]	lol
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2021-05-24 21:58:11	loganlee	crown prince for real?
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2021-05-24 21:59:34	polardroid	don't recall as much hype when PIA took over the reins
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2021-05-24 22:01:23	novelcoronavirus	Same reptiles
2021-05-24 22:01:56	novelcoronavirus	turns out PIA is just one dude, who now owns freenode and is draining its life force
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2021-05-24 22:02:23	Toadisattva	it all feels very fractured right now
2021-05-24 22:02:39	novelcoronavirus	In August 1990, the first major disagreement took place in the IRC world.
2021-05-24 22:02:43	Toadisattva	some people one libera, some peopel on freenode, some people on both, same rooms
2021-05-24 22:02:52	polardroid	yeah PIA is an "interesting" company too, when you look into it and their leaders
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2021-05-24 22:04:32	triceratux	"Lee’s life took a Cinderella-like turn five years ago when he found out he was related to Yi Seok, the “nominal emperor” of Korea and self-proclaimed remaining heir to the long-abolished and nearly forgotten Joseon dynasty"
2021-05-24 22:04:39	triceratux	https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/people/article/2175439/no-k-drama-fresh-prince-south-korea-real-royalty-and-hes-american
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2021-05-24 22:06:49	novelcoronavirus	PMs are now monitored on freenode
2021-05-24 22:07:17	novelcoronavirus	quarterly adrenochrome samples required for nick registrations
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2021-05-24 22:08:46	polardroid	now if its true they are actively monitoring pm for any reason, that would be enough for me to exit
2021-05-24 22:09:03	mol	novelcoronavirus, source?
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2021-05-24 22:09:14	novelcoronavirus	the now resigned freenode staff
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2021-05-24 22:09:24	novelcoronavirus	have you read their resignation letters?
2021-05-24 22:09:35	mol	yes
2021-05-24 22:09:38	mlu	I've seen IRC networks rise and fall; nothing new here
2021-05-24 22:09:46	Toadisattva	where can I access those?
2021-05-24 22:09:47	mlu	anyone here remember DALnet?
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2021-05-24 22:09:57	Toadisattva	all I've read is that little blurb on the libera site
2021-05-24 22:09:57	mol	mlu and very toxic too
2021-05-24 22:10:04	Toadisattva	I member DALnet
2021-05-24 22:10:18	novelcoronavirus	EFnet is the only other net I get down with
2021-05-24 22:10:33	novelcoronavirus	and now Liberia.chat
2021-05-24 22:10:35	mlu	for me, the requirements of an IRC network is simple: I better enjoy the people I hang out with :)
2021-05-24 22:10:36	Toadisattva	I used DALnet back in like 1996 r soemthing
2021-05-24 22:10:56	mlu	that sounds about right; and then the DDoS attacks happened
2021-05-24 22:10:57	mol	mlu and stay away from "staff"
2021-05-24 22:11:02	polardroid	yeah efnet, I used to play elsif's triva game there been a while though
2021-05-24 22:11:21	rascul	staff infections are the worst
2021-05-24 22:11:29	polardroid	yikes
2021-05-24 22:11:49	mol	efnet take-over-channels were the best, these kids haven't really seen "hostile takeovers" spread by the former staff lol
2021-05-24 22:12:06	mlu	I've ran a couple (small -- 1000-user) IRC networks in the past: so much politics
2021-05-24 22:12:35	novelcoronavirus	people take irc too srs, except jim
2021-05-24 22:12:49	 *	rascul gives jim a sammich
2021-05-24 22:13:07	c705	rascul: make me a sammich
2021-05-24 22:13:10	rascul	no
2021-05-24 22:13:13	c705	yes
2021-05-24 22:13:15	rascul	no
2021-05-24 22:13:19	c705	do it
2021-05-24 22:13:22	rascul	permission denied
2021-05-24 22:13:25	c705	why
2021-05-24 22:13:33	rascul	that's just the way of things
2021-05-24 22:13:35	c705	i'll have a turkey club please
2021-05-24 22:13:41	rascul	not from me you won't
2021-05-24 22:13:44	c705	and a soup
2021-05-24 22:13:47	rascul	no
2021-05-24 22:13:53	loganlee	ironically open source is not that popular in south korea
2021-05-24 22:13:55	c705	what kind of soup do you have
2021-05-24 22:14:02	rascul	the kind that isn't for you
2021-05-24 22:14:07	loganlee	like 99% use microsoft windows
2021-05-24 22:14:19	c705	you are the worst order taker i have ever seen
2021-05-24 22:14:24	mlu	there's always a "why"
2021-05-24 22:14:26	rascul	thanks
2021-05-24 22:14:27	triceratux	ah but is it popular in indiana ?
2021-05-24 22:14:27	c705	i would like to speak to your manager please
2021-05-24 22:14:28	rascul	i do try
2021-05-24 22:14:59	mlu	if I'm being 100% honest, the reason I actually use Linux isn't "open source" -- it's because I get a fully featured OS for free and can say that I'm doing it legally
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2021-05-24 22:16:35	jaiya	mlu for me it's that linux runs well on my old and slow computers
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2021-05-24 22:24:57	loganlee	i use linux because i like to be part of the community
2021-05-24 22:25:14	loganlee	that i can't have if i use windows or mac
2021-05-24 22:25:21	loganlee	;-)
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2021-05-24 22:26:47	polardroid	I've come to a place where i view windows and mac as malware
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2021-05-24 22:30:36	polardroid	leaving Apple was complicated because of the substantial itunes library but where there's a will there's a way
2021-05-24 22:31:30	TheConfuciousOne	I thought you couild go into your itunes library and grab the mp3s
2021-05-24 22:31:38	pnbeast	polardroid, are you trolling or are you just one of those people who views disappointment with other OSs as the central tenet of Linux?
2021-05-24 22:31:39	TheConfuciousOne	Then move them over to Linux
2021-05-24 22:32:00	polardroid	sounds like it should be easy but its not
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2021-05-24 22:32:24	polardroid	your purchased tunes need some coaxing
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2021-05-24 22:34:08	Toadisattva	well that's waht you get for giving apple money in the first place :P
2021-05-24 22:34:17	polardroid	roger that
2021-05-24 22:34:33	TheConfuciousOne	I bought an album on there and it felt weird
2021-05-24 22:34:40	TheConfuciousOne	Never really felt like it was mine
2021-05-24 22:34:52	Prestige	Is there a "simple" way for people to even uses iphones etc with linux?
2021-05-24 22:35:09	polardroid	I was an Apple user that stopped updating around the snow leopard time
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2021-05-24 22:37:05	polardroid	first thing Apple did that wasn't so fun was an update disabled everyone's superdrives
2021-05-24 22:37:37	polardroid	thats about when iTunes went wonky too
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2021-05-24 22:43:59	c705	well, goodbye forever ##linux freenode
2021-05-24 22:44:20	 *	kfrench unplugs c705.
2021-05-24 22:44:38	Prestige	haha
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2021-05-24 22:45:00	TheConfuciousOne	So freenode got bought out and is splitting?
2021-05-24 22:45:04	lockywolf	On Ubuntu with /etc/network/interfaces, how do I set the type of a device being configured?
2021-05-24 22:45:14	[R]	lockywolf: what do you mean type
2021-05-24 22:45:29	lockywolf	ip link add wg0 type wireguard
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2021-05-24 22:45:51	lockywolf	I need to pass that "type wireguard" to ip at boot time
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2021-05-24 22:46:21	[R]	what makes you think interfacces can do that?
2021-05-24 22:46:31	triceratux	TheConfuciousOne: https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/
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2021-05-24 22:48:09	TheConfuciousOne	thanks for the article
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2021-05-24 22:49:00	lockywolf	[R], it cannot?
2021-05-24 22:49:41	lockywolf	what is the most reasonable way to configure an interface on ubuntu then?
2021-05-24 22:49:53	altwulf	TheConfuciousOne: yes.
2021-05-24 22:50:01	triceratux	theyve literally only been around for 5 days https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=Libera.Chat yet heavy hitters like canonical have bailed. that takes a lot of trust
2021-05-24 22:50:15	[R]	lockywolf: theres lots of documentation on setting up wireguard...
2021-05-24 22:50:36	lockywolf	I did not ask about documentation on setting up wireguard.
2021-05-24 22:50:52	[R]	lol
2021-05-24 22:50:53	lockywolf	I asked about how to configure custom interfaces in ubuntu in general.
2021-05-24 22:51:24	altwulf	Again with the PSA: ##linux has a legitimate presence on Libera (irc.libera.chat). You are under no pressure to migrate, but given the current state of Freenode administration, it seems advisable.
2021-05-24 22:51:46	[R]	lol
2021-05-24 22:51:51	[R]	altwulf: yet you're still here
2021-05-24 22:51:52	lockywolf	yes, that's a little bit more involved than "clicking through a shitty wireguard tutorial you find on google"
2021-05-24 22:52:04	drakonan	Why folks leaving freenode?
2021-05-24 22:52:07	lockywolf	altwulf, it does not
2021-05-24 22:52:23	lockywolf	drakonan, another wave of hysteria, similar to the Stallman story
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2021-05-24 22:52:51	[R]	i wouldn't call all the ircops quitting hysteria
2021-05-24 22:52:52	[R]	lol
2021-05-24 22:53:07	altwulf	Neither would I. It was anger.
2021-05-24 22:53:07	EdFletcher	nor anything at all like the “Stallman story”
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2021-05-24 22:55:00	lockywolf	if freenode stops working, it will be worth drawing any conclusions
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2021-05-24 22:55:20	rascul	oops i hit the bong before i loaded it
2021-05-24 22:55:24	 *	rascul tries again
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2021-05-24 22:56:10	rascul	loaded it first that time, worked much betters
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2021-05-24 22:56:24	TheConfuciousOne	How often do you change the bong water?
2021-05-24 22:56:24	altwulf	Freenode isn't going anywhere unless there's something I don't know. It's just changing, and it's very UNlikely to change back.
2021-05-24 22:56:40	rascul	every day or two
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2021-05-24 22:57:45	TheConfuciousOne	I wonder if freenode will just be smaller
2021-05-24 22:58:06	TheConfuciousOne	That article says there are a lot of volunteers that help run it, they might be on the way out
2021-05-24 22:58:42	rascul	freenode is smaller already but not by much
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2021-05-24 22:58:50	lockywolf	nothing will really change
2021-05-24 22:58:52	TheConfuciousOne	I see
2021-05-24 22:59:09	rascul	https://netsplit.de/networks/statistics.php?net=freenode
2021-05-24 22:59:34	[R]	rascul: that's what she said
2021-05-24 22:59:41	jaiya	rascul what percentage of those people have sent a message in the last year?
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2021-05-24 22:59:53	lockywolf	still, if anyone can suggest the best way to set up a network interface on  ubuntu?
2021-05-24 22:59:58	 *	rascul shrugs
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2021-05-24 23:00:24	jaiya	i'll be staying on freenode
2021-05-24 23:00:27	loganlee	lockywolf: maybe try to use gui?
2021-05-24 23:00:30	jaiya	don't know who andrew lee is and i don't care either
2021-05-24 23:00:40	lockywolf	no gui on that machine
2021-05-24 23:00:42	rascul	lockywolf doesn't ubuntu use networkmanager by default?
2021-05-24 23:00:55	TheConfuciousOne	Is it a driver issue?
2021-05-24 23:01:08	 *	[R] manages rascul's network
2021-05-24 23:01:19	rascul	thanks [R] i was getting tired of that work
2021-05-24 23:01:38	 *	rascul learns about outsourcing
2021-05-24 23:01:43	lockywolf	it does have nm installed and running  by default. I am not sure networkmanager is the best approach here
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2021-05-24 23:01:55	rascul	lockywolf why are you not sure?
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2021-05-24 23:02:09	rascul	what doubts do you have?
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2021-05-24 23:02:39	lockywolf	https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Configure_a_Wireguard_interface_(wg)
2021-05-24 23:03:02	rascul	can you be more specific?
2021-05-24 23:03:05	loganlee	one thing is... freenode doesn't encrypt messages?
2021-05-24 23:03:24	rascul	how is that related to setting up a network interface on ubuntu?
2021-05-24 23:03:26	lockywolf	I am not sure that alpine's interpretation of /etc/network/interfaces is applicable to ubuntu
2021-05-24 23:03:33	rascul	oh, different people
2021-05-24 23:03:38	lockywolf	rascul, /version
2021-05-24 23:03:42	rascul	i got myself confused
2021-05-24 23:03:55	rascul	lockywolf ?
2021-05-24 23:04:00	lockywolf	rascul, /ping ?
2021-05-24 23:04:10	lockywolf	who's the owner or rascul?
2021-05-24 23:04:12	rascul	lockywolf i don't understand what you're trying to tell or ask me
2021-05-24 23:04:56	rascul	lockywolf you can connect to freenode via tls
2021-05-24 23:05:05	rascul	er, that last one was for loganlee not lockywolf
2021-05-24 23:05:32	loganlee	rascul: ah ok thanks! i didn't know that
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2021-05-24 23:06:00	rascul	loganlee https://freenode.net/kb/answer/chat
2021-05-24 23:06:42	rascul	loganlee also if your client supports sasl external you can do auth with a certificate  https://freenode.net/kb/answer/certfp
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2021-05-24 23:06:58	 *	[R] authenticates with rascul 
2021-05-24 23:07:13	 *	rascul gives [R] a certificate
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2021-05-24 23:07:24	loganlee	nice rascul
2021-05-24 23:07:34	[R]	its not a participation certificate, is it?
2021-05-24 23:07:43	rascul	no, that's a ribbon
2021-05-24 23:07:48	 *	rascul gives [R] a participation ribbon
2021-05-24 23:07:55	[R]	like on seinfeld
2021-05-24 23:08:02	[R]	where kramer didn't want to wear the aids walk ribbon?
2021-05-24 23:08:11	rascul	i don't know where kramer is
2021-05-24 23:08:25	[R]	i think hes in hiding because everyone thinks hes racist
2021-05-24 23:08:32	rascul	or what an aids walk is
2021-05-24 23:08:43	[R]	its when people do a charity walk think and raise money
2021-05-24 23:08:55	rascul	oh
2021-05-24 23:09:11	rascul	they raise money by walking?
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2021-05-24 23:09:16	rascul	i never understood how that works
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2021-05-24 23:09:56	jim	novelcoronavirus, at one time, I did.. and I'
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2021-05-24 23:10:31	ayecee	it's like "i'll donate to your charity but i want to see you suffer first."
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2021-05-24 23:10:40	[R]	lol
2021-05-24 23:10:51	rascul	what's wrong with donating without the suffering?
2021-05-24 23:10:59	[R]	"i'll donate, but only if you really show you care enough"
2021-05-24 23:11:02	lockywolf	so, this "use wireguard" trickery worked
2021-05-24 23:11:07	jim	am serious about some things (like arguments that escalate, and basic getting along
2021-05-24 23:11:17	jim	)
2021-05-24 23:11:17	aarktica	What channel(s) on freenode can I join for help with android update issues? I got a wireless update today, and rebooted into TWRP. Now, I'm stuck in TWRP.
2021-05-24 23:11:19	rascul	walking shows you care about something?
2021-05-24 23:11:23	ayecee	rascul: that's the fun part. people don't donate as much that way.
2021-05-24 23:11:31	rascul	aarktica /msg alis list android
2021-05-24 23:11:34	ayecee	the suffering part is apparently important.
2021-05-24 23:11:36	lockywolf	aarktica, I don't think there is one
2021-05-24 23:11:46	rascul	ayecee seems a bit cruel
2021-05-24 23:11:48	lockywolf	#android is not really active
2021-05-24 23:11:53	jim	and in general... there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in finding channels on the freenode irc net. To get started, /msg alis help
2021-05-24 23:12:11	ayecee	rascul: but also very human
2021-05-24 23:12:19	rascul	humans are the worst
2021-05-24 23:12:48	jim	maybe there are more folks who can help, on the oftc.net irc network, or the libera.chat net
2021-05-24 23:13:29	ayecee	you can ask in #channeldirectory
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2021-05-24 23:13:54	aarktica	lockywolf: womp, womp :(
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2021-05-24 23:14:39	lockywolf	#channeldirectory seems to be an empty channel
2021-05-24 23:14:52	ayecee	you can still ask there
2021-05-24 23:16:14	altwulf	Doesn't OFTC have extended /list syntax?
2021-05-24 23:16:27	ayecee	prime real estate if you want to register a new channel too. judging but the number of directory requests here, you could get a lot of traffic
2021-05-24 23:17:03	terabit	jim: you the only op left here? lol
2021-05-24 23:17:57	altwulf	Doesn't mean lawlessness will be tolerated.
2021-05-24 23:18:22	ghostbuster	sure it does.. he has to sleep some time
2021-05-24 23:18:46	ayecee	ops are asleep, post pics of real penguins
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2021-05-24 23:19:25	ghostbuster	ops are asleep.. post source code for proprietary unixes
2021-05-24 23:19:38	ayecee	nice
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2021-05-24 23:19:55	lockywolf	proprietary unices are a myth
2021-05-24 23:19:56	[R]	ghostbuster: unices
2021-05-24 23:19:59	lockywolf	like uncorns
2021-05-24 23:20:09	lockywolf	unicorns
2021-05-24 23:20:21	lockywolf	unicode corn
2021-05-24 23:20:25	altwulf	You want Eunice? I think her last name is something like "BSD".
2021-05-24 23:20:41	ghostbuster	[R]: i wrote unices and then deleted it
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2021-05-24 23:20:59	ayecee	don't listen to them. it's unixes.
2021-05-24 23:21:22	altwulf	Uni Sees.
2021-05-24 23:21:25	ayecee	comes from the latin unixalia
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2021-05-24 23:21:54	jim	terabit, it is with a very heavy heart that I will also be leaving
2021-05-24 23:22:27	ayecee	cool, that means the channel is up for grabs
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2021-05-24 23:22:38	jim	pretty much
2021-05-24 23:22:46	 *	kfrench hugs jim.
2021-05-24 23:22:47	triceratux	theres a procedure for when it gets formally abandoned
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2021-05-24 23:24:29	altwulf	jim, you're leaving what, exactly?
2021-05-24 23:25:16	ayecee	though more likely it'll be closed and locked for a while first
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2021-05-24 23:25:31	Ckat	please dont lock it
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2021-05-24 23:25:45	ayecee	just close it?
2021-05-24 23:25:46	altwulf	Ckat, irc.libera.chat awaits.
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2021-05-24 23:25:59	Ckat	until they manage to sell that to some random company
2021-05-24 23:26:24	jim	with the current hostile staff (I don't think sorcerer is hostile), I don't feel like I can do my job. Chris Punches (aka bagira aka phanes) is staff, and there's not any way I can do my job
2021-05-24 23:26:45	loganlee	jim: bagira is fired
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2021-05-24 23:27:12	Ckat	how does freenode staff effect your ability to yell at people in a penguin related chatroom
2021-05-24 23:27:23	loganlee	#freenode-policy-feedback
2021-05-24 23:27:35	ayecee	affect
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2021-05-24 23:27:48	ayecee	also, that's more my thing, not jim's thing
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2021-05-24 23:28:22	Ckat	even if satan himself became the sole member of freenodes staff you could still tell me to not type btw in this chatroom
2021-05-24 23:28:26	Ckat	is what I more mean
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2021-05-24 23:29:16	jim	loganlee, how did you find that out?
2021-05-24 23:29:32	loganlee	jim: people in #freenode-policy-feedback are discussing this
2021-05-24 23:29:44	Ckat	its still draft/discussion
2021-05-24 23:30:05	altwulf	loganlee, that's what you call it? "Discussion"?
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2021-05-24 23:30:33	ayecee	it sounded better than feces-flinging
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2021-05-24 23:31:03	ayecee	(nb i have not seen the channel, just extrapolating)
2021-05-24 23:31:12	mol	jim, bagira will issue his statement
2021-05-24 23:31:17	mol	<bagira> I will be releasing a public statement over the next day or so about why I left, but I can assure you it was appropriate for me to leave.
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2021-05-24 23:31:49	ayecee	touched an intern inappropriately on irc, i bet
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2021-05-24 23:32:27	gbellinoz	What's the relationship between udisks2.service and gvfs-udisks2-volume-monitor, both of which are running on my Ubuntu machine?
2021-05-24 23:32:51	ayecee	gbellinoz: by the name, i would guess the latter uses the services of the former
2021-05-24 23:32:59	jim	those damn interns...
2021-05-24 23:33:05	Ckat	udisks2 is the thing that monitors disconnects and such, vfs is gnomes virtual file system... thing
2021-05-24 23:33:10	ayecee	so touchable
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2021-05-24 23:33:44	Ckat	I'd assume the latter provides udisks2 events/coverage for gnomes vfs
2021-05-24 23:34:16	gbellinoz	Stuff happens and I'm not sure who's doing it. udev's the other one :) "I remember the old days when a user had to sudo mount..."
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2021-05-24 23:34:45	Ckat	I still use sudo mount
2021-05-24 23:34:51	jim	Ckat, vfs is -the kernel's- virtual file system :)
2021-05-24 23:35:00	Ckat	are you sure its not gnome related
2021-05-24 23:35:04	Ckat	it smells of gnome
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2021-05-24 23:35:14	ayecee	gvfs smells of gnome
2021-05-24 23:35:19	altwulf	I'm pretty sure vfs is DE-agnostic.
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2021-05-24 23:35:27	ayecee	vfs is a separate thing
2021-05-24 23:35:49	Ckat	never trust a service starting with a g
2021-05-24 23:35:58	jim	gnome may have built stuff... but the kernel vfs is what lets you mount partitions with various filesystems on it
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2021-05-24 23:36:09	altwulf	G-spot!
2021-05-24 23:36:15	terabit	jim: don't leave, stay
2021-05-24 23:36:42	ayecee	gnome's vfs has the advantage that you don't always have to mount stuff
2021-05-24 23:37:01	terabit	this is one of the good chans on freenode.forget the drama, stay with the ship till the last soul drowns
2021-05-24 23:37:02	jim	terabit, I'll recommend you hang out in both places for awhile
2021-05-24 23:37:18	terabit	I will/thanks
2021-05-24 23:37:22	 *	loganlee is in both places
2021-05-24 23:37:23	Ckat	our glorious saviour systemd can do automounts too
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2021-05-24 23:37:39	ayecee	come on man
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2021-05-24 23:37:52	ayecee	why you gotta be like that
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2021-05-24 23:39:02	jim	terabit, on libera, the channel to join that's like this one, is #linux
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2021-05-24 23:39:22	Ckat	huh I thought the unofficial/official stuff carried over to libera 1/1
2021-05-24 23:39:35	Ckat	how come you get to hog # there?
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2021-05-24 23:40:23	terabit	jim:  just keep in mind matrix users are stuck here
2021-05-24 23:40:31	terabit	no bridge up over there
2021-05-24 23:40:35	terabit	(yet)
2021-05-24 23:40:43	ayecee	good selling point
2021-05-24 23:40:47	jim	(the meaning of # and ## on libera is similar to those of freenode, and I dunno why we got a # channel
2021-05-24 23:40:49	jim	)
2021-05-24 23:40:53	 *	ayecee packs the bags
2021-05-24 23:40:58	Ckat	you could throw a bridgebot inbetween
2021-05-24 23:41:07	jim	terabit, let me find out about that
2021-05-24 23:41:32	Ckat	couldnt you always use any irc network with matrix clients?
2021-05-24 23:41:44	Ckat	I thought they just added freenode as default at some point
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2021-05-24 23:42:29	terabit	Ckat: I think you can setup your own bridge but matrix-hq needs to setup a network-wide bridge for matrix.org home server
2021-05-24 23:42:40	terabit	i.e.: allow you to join any irc chan from matrix
2021-05-24 23:42:50	Ckat	ah
2021-05-24 23:43:09	Ckat	the good old "we use matrix because its decentralized but we're all on matrix.org" case
2021-05-24 23:43:34	Ckat	didnt realize the freenode thing was only through the matrix server, thought it was something with the clients
2021-05-24 23:43:45	terabit	Ckat: same can be said about IRC, the first distributed network
2021-05-24 23:44:15	Ckat	yeah but people dont generally go around advertising that as the main irc feature and why its better
2021-05-24 23:44:31	terabit	I think they released P2P matrix too where you don't need a home server
2021-05-24 23:44:42	Ckat	hm
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2021-05-24 23:45:11	terabit	matrix has a lot of selling points, being decentralized isn't a big one afaik
2021-05-24 23:45:56	terabit	i mean, it's nice if you have your own community or company to setup your own homeserver and all I guess. to me it's more of a discord/slack/zoom replacement
2021-05-24 23:46:34	Ckat	its the main one people try to get me off irc with
2021-05-24 23:47:31	terabit	from IRC the main selling point is actual E2EE which IRC lacks
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2021-05-24 23:49:10	ayecee	otr is the defacto e2ee irc plugin for people who want that
2021-05-24 23:49:12	terabit	anyone who decrypts TLS can block matrix just as they can IRC so being decentralized is not  a huge deal other than for scalability
2021-05-24 23:49:51	ayecee	being decentralized is not only about scalability
2021-05-24 23:50:29	terabit	ayecee: yeah, opportunistic/bad ux (especially for key verification) and you need specific clients for not (not a protocol featur)
2021-05-24 23:50:31	rindolf	"e2ee"? what is that?
2021-05-24 23:50:43	Ckat	end to end encryption
2021-05-24 23:50:44	ayecee	the requirement to coordinate policy with others can be frustrating but so can unilateral policy changes.
2021-05-24 23:50:50	jim	terabit, found out something... libera does want a matrix bridge, but it's unknown how much work or how long it would take
2021-05-24 23:51:11	Ckat	it wouldnt take any effort on the irc side I think
2021-05-24 23:51:14	terabit	jim: thanks, they told me "pending" a few days ago as well
2021-05-24 23:51:20	terabit	I'm sure it will come
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2021-05-24 23:52:21	jim	the bridge freenode has now has a history of instability though
2021-05-24 23:53:09	jim	I guess it's been better lately, I haven't seen a bunch of matrix users quitting at the same time for awhile
2021-05-24 23:53:17	terabit	they force-part idlers every 30 days (i.e. not signed into your account) haven't seen much other instability
2021-05-24 23:53:24	Ckat	or losing their credentials
2021-05-24 23:53:37	<--	eelstrebor (~eelstrebo@198-178-29-136.scb.ne.static.allophone.net) has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
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2021-05-24 23:54:12	terabit	in matrix even if you close your client you're still "online"  so without the mass clearing you'll have everyone that joined once but forgot to manually part show up in the channel list (you'd have had 100k users in here by now :P )
2021-05-24 23:54:28	jim	yeah, I heard that too
2021-05-24 23:54:48	Ckat	people idling in irc, the horror
2021-05-24 23:54:58	jim	heh
2021-05-24 23:55:14	jim	idle mydol
2021-05-24 23:55:39	terabit	until search engine results change all the newbies will still join freenode, my plan is to inhabit all 3 realms :P
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2021-05-24 23:56:06	terabit	give it a year
2021-05-24 23:56:14	Prestige	is there a good reason to leave?
2021-05-24 23:56:22	jim	yeah, that sounds good
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2021-05-24 23:56:52	jim	well reported hostility of irc ops
2021-05-24 23:57:00	ayecee	Prestige: the nuisance of switching between them frequently
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2021-05-24 23:57:44	terabit	now that I heard both sides to me it's just drama/bickering
2021-05-24 23:58:13	jim	I haven't argued or bikered with anyone yet
2021-05-24 23:58:21	terabit	he said,she said,etc... I get both sides but in the end the mass migration started and no point in disagreeing
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2021-05-24 23:59:04	jim	as far as I know, there are not plans to close the channel (and kick everyone)
2021-05-24 23:59:22	ayecee	well it's a good thing we don't need good reasons to disagree
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2021-05-24 23:59:46	terabit	someone wanted access to a domain they owned for years and the other side misunderstood the relationship because of the previous freenode head downplayed things. suddenly the empire and the rebellion are at war and we're fleeing tatooine
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2021-05-25 00:00:16	terabit	yeah , let's just agree everyone sucks and focus on /topic :P
2021-05-25 00:00:37	ayecee	i can agree with that
2021-05-25 00:01:04	triceratux	some of the best ever gnu/linux/x11 is still out there https://antixlinux.com/antix-19-4-available/
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2021-05-25 00:03:04	terabit	https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/we-speak-britney-spears-linux
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2021-05-25 00:03:37	Ckat	'best' is one way to put i
2021-05-25 00:03:39	Ckat	t
2021-05-25 00:04:04	terabit	http://biebian.sourceforge.net/
2021-05-25 00:04:19	terabit	there use to me much more fringe distros like that
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2021-05-25 00:08:11	rindolf	antix?
2021-05-25 00:08:19	rindolf	Ckat: heh
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2021-05-25 00:08:41	rindolf	Ckat++
2021-05-25 00:09:32	triceratux	antix is what mx is based on. the base antix removes systemd from buster & ships icewm. mx puts in xfce
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2021-05-25 00:18:01	jim	terabit, when you refer to "the previous freenode head" in saying they downplayed stuff, do you mean lilo? or lilo's successor?
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2021-05-25 00:19:57	Bashing-om	1/23
2021-05-25 00:19:59	terabit	jim: christel
2021-05-25 00:20:24	terabit	who stepped down in march, she handled the PIA takeover
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2021-05-25 00:20:37	jim	oh ok, wasn't christel lilo's immediate successor?
2021-05-25 00:20:49	altwulf	We have an -offtopic channel. Use it.
2021-05-25 00:20:56	terabit	jim: icymi: https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c1646791c61953
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2021-05-25 00:21:21	terabit	jim: possibly, I don't think i was on freenode back then
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2021-05-25 00:21:39	terabit	altwulf: look at the topic
2021-05-25 00:22:13	altwulf	And?
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2021-05-25 00:23:27	terabit	altwulf: alright, what ontopic discussion would you like to hold? (and to answer: libera.chat migration is on topic which we're discussing)
2021-05-25 00:23:54	terabit	*shrugs*
2021-05-25 00:23:58	 *	terabit gtg anyway
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2021-05-25 00:24:47	terabit	sorry for sms-speak
2021-05-25 00:24:50	altwulf	The problem with discussing it at any length is that it could invite runaway soapboxing. There's another couple of channels where that's happening, and it's a real poopfest.
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2021-05-25 00:31:35	 *	rindolf is now playing: Pitch Perfect 3 _ Anna Kendrick Performs Freedom! '90 in 4K HDR-pTEmpZ79jeo.mp4 [03:03/04:12]
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2021-05-25 00:36:02	billy1	rindolf: what script did you use to do that?
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2021-05-25 00:43:46	McErroneous	Hi...., setting "hostname" in /etc/hostname causes lag on my system, with error message "sudo: unable to resolve host crunchbang"
2021-05-25 00:43:55	McErroneous	how do i fix it ?
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2021-05-25 00:44:22	rindolf	billy1: https://www.shlomifish.org/Files/files/text/nowplay-hexchat-vlc--python.txt - here - note that its licence may be unclear
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2021-05-25 00:48:40	pnbeast	McErroneous, maybe, but my first guess would be that you're conflating two tangential events.  It sounds like your DNS is broken.
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2021-05-25 00:51:07	McErroneous	pnbeast: i dont have any DNS set up...
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2021-05-25 00:53:54	pnbeast	McErroneous, then how are you gonna "resolve host crunchbang"?  Why, indeed, try to do so?
2021-05-25 00:55:02	McErroneous	pnbeast: why should i..., i have not desired to order the system to  do dns-resolution...
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2021-05-25 00:55:26	McErroneous	all i did was: sudo xyz.., and everytime it came up with this message..
2021-05-25 00:55:54	pnbeast	McErroneous, sorry, I thought you were asking for help with an error you are getting.  Good luck!
2021-05-25 00:56:04	McErroneous	pnbeast: yes...
2021-05-25 00:56:18	McErroneous	i want that error message to be gone...
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2021-05-25 00:56:44	McErroneous	but i dont really need dns-resolution...
2021-05-25 00:57:17	McErroneous	i did not set it up.., all i did was changing /etc/hostname
2021-05-25 00:57:34	McErroneous	to change the name of the PC...
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2021-05-25 00:57:56	McErroneous	i am not aware of any further implications...
2021-05-25 00:58:11	McErroneous	complications.., resulting from it...
2021-05-25 00:58:38	aaro	McErroneous: have you rebooted your system after the change?
2021-05-25 00:58:46	McErroneous	linux got to complicated.., what about KISS.., keep it simple and stupid.. ?
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2021-05-25 00:59:24	McErroneous	msg aaro i logged out , and logged in to terminal///
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2021-05-25 01:00:23	McErroneous	e.t.  restarted the terminal
2021-05-25 01:00:33	SureSumbat	can anyone teach how to config... perl irc bot. im totay blur on this
2021-05-25 01:00:42	aaro	McErroneous: better reboot your system, hostname change is big deal tha can affect many things
2021-05-25 01:01:13	McErroneous	additonally i did "sudo hostname" , aaro i cant reboot everyday...
2021-05-25 01:01:49	McErroneous	aaro: hmm...
2021-05-25 01:02:20	McErroneous	aaro: any decent documentation you came about ?
2021-05-25 01:02:37	pnbeast	McErroneous, sorry, I will add one thing:  you've been around for weeks, at least, yes?  Have you run across the name "XY problem"?
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2021-05-25 01:03:01	McErroneous	pnbeast: pardon me ???
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2021-05-25 01:03:16	pnbeast	McErroneous, I forgive you.  Again, good luck.
2021-05-25 01:03:27	McErroneous	pnbeast: are you answering my question , with a question...
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2021-05-25 01:03:42	McErroneous	if questions are supposed to answer questions...,
2021-05-25 01:03:50	McErroneous	then for what good are answers.. ?
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2021-05-25 01:06:20	McErroneous	holy marony..., he wants to forgive..., make his mind without anger towards my person.., did i provoke your anger ,pnbeast ?
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2021-05-25 01:07:24	ross`	I'm trying to figure out the best way to mount an ntfs partition with fstab (ntfs vs ntfs-3g) since I actualy WANT read only. Is ntfs-3g better still if I only want ro?
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2021-05-25 01:09:51	McErroneous	ross`: , idk, but in my experience.., ntfs-3g could cause some inhoherency if using with nfs.., directory sizes would show up with different sizes , for no apparent reasons...
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2021-05-25 01:10:27	McErroneous	but i did not lost data because of it, as far as i can recall.., maybe i did lost some data.., idk..
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2021-05-25 01:12:05	McErroneous	else ntfs-3g.., appears to work great.., no hassles..
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2021-05-25 01:12:39	McErroneous	ross`: but i am not a professional..
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2021-05-25 01:15:36	McErroneous	a empty bag...full of air... , that is what a lot of linux users are..., i am one..
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2021-05-25 01:17:24	ross`	Yeah, I WANT read only in this case
2021-05-25 01:17:38	ross`	Using ntfs for now. I normally use ntfs-3g for rw mode since that's necessary
2021-05-25 01:17:55	ross`	auto,exec,noatime,umask=0222,dmask=0222,ro
2021-05-25 01:18:00	ross`	currently using these options
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2021-05-25 01:32:56	rindolf	the gratis ntfs-3g was a resource hog last time i tried
2021-05-25 01:33:00	rindolf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlDdkLfyxxc
2021-05-25 01:33:33	petrj	hewo, which greeter y'all been using with dwn suckless?
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2021-05-25 01:35:09	petrj	i'm on openrc -.-
2021-05-25 01:35:42	 *	iflema openrd
2021-05-25 01:35:44	petrj	lightdm is not finding dwm, so i'm launching it after the text login
2021-05-25 01:35:45	rindolf	McErroneous: i'm not afraid to live: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quick_and_the_Dead_(1995_film)
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2021-05-25 01:36:30	rindolf	petrj: suckless.org sucks more, imho ...
2021-05-25 01:37:40	rindolf	"we're too kewl for configuration files..."
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2021-05-25 01:39:43	Grobo	When I mount a path with nfs that has other mountpoints under it, they are empty. For example, using /var/storage/disk1, I see the "disk1" dir but it is just the /var/storage fs and empty. Is there a way to use NFS so that it will make the other filesystems available?
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2021-05-25 01:40:09	Grobo	(assuming I mount /var/storage somewhere on another system(
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2021-05-25 01:42:51	McErroneous	Grobo: i have a similar problem when mounting remote external HDDs via nfs..., the directories (the USBHDD) would mount, but the directories are shown without contend, (NASBOX5G2)..
2021-05-25 01:44:07	Grobo	McErroneous: It seems counter-intuitive
2021-05-25 01:44:30	Grobo	I guess I could use Samba, instead
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2021-05-25 01:46:01	McErroneous	Yes!
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2021-05-25 01:48:09	Skaface	do you have to export the other mount points?
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2021-05-25 01:50:31	Grobo	Skaface: export and mount them, separately, as far as I can tell
2021-05-25 01:50:51	Grobo	There is some "nohide" option but it sounds badly implemented
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2021-05-25 01:50:58	Skaface	right ok
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2021-05-25 01:57:59	Grobo	Skaface: Actually, it looks like it works as long as both are in exports
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2021-05-25 02:23:30	pabed	I received this message "docker: Error response from daemon: OCI runtime create failed: container_linux.go:367: starting container process caused: process_linux.go:495: container init caused: rootfs_linux.go:60:  : after I wanted ro run eclipse-mosquitto , I need to know is there any privilege that I have to grant to mount absolute path as my volume ?
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2021-05-25 04:02:32	enrh	shimbles: That would be interesting though
2021-05-25 04:02:47	enrh	Looking at the reads by file system location
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2021-05-25 04:03:53	isomari	what uses the environmental variable FPATH? It's extremly long on my system.
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2021-05-25 04:04:30	IamTrying	how to remove all the ;;;;;;;;;;;; from a file.csv? ex: sed -e s/;;;;;;;;;;;;//g -i file.csv;  -bash: syntax error near unexpected token `;;'
2021-05-25 04:05:35	treefrob	IamTrying, you have to protect ";" from your shell using single or double quote, at the very least
2021-05-25 04:06:08	treefrob	in other words: sed -e '<sed-expr>' -i ...
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2021-05-25 04:06:35	treefrob	unless you are using shell variables in your expression, it's simplest to use single-quotes (apostrophe)
2021-05-25 04:06:36	AciD`	hey, would you know how on earth are you supposed to create an account on libera.chat? Following the doc, you need to register a nickname with nickserv in order to connect with SASL, but to connect with SASL you need an nickserv account :|
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2021-05-25 04:06:47	ruthwik163	hi guys
2021-05-25 04:06:52	ruthwik163	i want to contribute
2021-05-25 04:07:02	ruthwik163	how can i contribute
2021-05-25 04:07:03	treefrob	https://libera.chat/guides/registration
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2021-05-25 04:07:21	rouji	AciD`: connect without sasl first
2021-05-25 04:07:37	ruthwik163	how can i connect without sasl
2021-05-25 04:07:59	rouji	depends on your client
2021-05-25 04:08:11	ruthwik163	i use bitchx
2021-05-25 04:08:19	AciD`	I'm guessing using the plaintext server  on 6667 instead of 6697?
2021-05-25 04:08:26	ruthwik163	yeah
2021-05-25 04:08:30	ZenixOwler	is there anyhow i can get my original login session even though i'm currently logged in as root ? like when i first login as zenix but then i run another script as root and that script will basically "whoami" as root obviously, but is there anyhow i can make that script "whoami" as "zenix" ? the original session
2021-05-25 04:08:35	rouji	you can connect using tls while not using any auth
2021-05-25 04:08:35	AciD`	what a hassle when using znc!
2021-05-25 04:08:53	AciD`	oh
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2021-05-25 04:09:23	ruthwik163	can you explain how i can contribute
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2021-05-25 04:09:46	ruthwik163	i can program in 6 languages
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2021-05-25 04:10:02	rouji	can you program in english?
2021-05-25 04:10:13	ruthwik163	i meant programming languages
2021-05-25 04:10:17	rouji	lame
2021-05-25 04:10:37	ruthwik163	i can program in c java python kotlin haskell and go
2021-05-25 04:10:52	ruthwik163	i think c is used more in linux
2021-05-25 04:11:08	rouji	the entire kernel is C
2021-05-25 04:11:19	AciD`	*with some rust ;)
2021-05-25 04:11:22	ruthwik163	the kernel is 1.57% c++
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2021-05-25 04:12:31	ruthwik163	and i improved the linux kernel by patching it and adding some of my own code
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2021-05-25 04:12:59	ruthwik163	please help
2021-05-25 04:13:07	rouji	is that metric estimated by github or something?
2021-05-25 04:13:19	ruthwik163	whattt?
2021-05-25 04:13:39	ruthwik163	oh no i read it on a website
2021-05-25 04:14:03	rouji	oh right must accurate then
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2021-05-25 04:15:37	ruthwik163	well you didnt answer my question
2021-05-25 04:15:43	ruthwik163	how can i contribute
2021-05-25 04:15:48	rouji	to what
2021-05-25 04:16:02	ruthwik163	to linux kernel
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2021-05-25 04:16:19	rouji	using the mailing lists?
2021-05-25 04:16:21	AciD`	using the 6667 port, I only get http://paste.debian.net/1198695/ over and over again. I cannot use /nick, or /msg. This is annoying. How did you proceed?
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2021-05-25 04:16:59	ruthwik163	howwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww can i contribute to linux kernel ?
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2021-05-25 04:17:27	rouji	AciD`: I didn't do anything special
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2021-05-25 04:17:52	rouji	just connected to it without any auth at all
2021-05-25 04:17:56	ruthwik163	please help
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2021-05-25 04:18:46	ruthwik163	please dont piss me off
2021-05-25 04:19:20	ruthwik163	you are pissing me off
2021-05-25 04:19:31	ImQ009	Nice
2021-05-25 04:20:02	ruthwik163	i am ddosing the chanel now , so fuckoff
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2021-05-25 04:21:02	ruthwik163	linux does not have proper community , you are just nerds
2021-05-25 04:21:25	ruthwik163	fuck fu
2021-05-25 04:21:26	rouji	did you take a wrong turn on your way to 4chan?
2021-05-25 04:21:26	ruthwik163	fuck
2021-05-25 04:21:27	ruthwik163	fuck
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2021-05-25 04:21:36	ruthwik163	 what???????
2021-05-25 04:22:02	ruthwik163	and by the way linux is not as secure as you think it it
2021-05-25 04:22:08	ruthwik163	i*s
2021-05-25 04:22:16	rouji	so yes
2021-05-25 04:22:24	ruthwik163	i found 128 vulnerabilities in it
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2021-05-25 04:23:07	ruthwik163	and after i reverse engineereed the windows kernel i found only 78
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2021-05-25 04:23:09	AciD`	rouji ⟹ well, you got lucky since it seems every single server (with or without ssl) are requiring SASL now :|
2021-05-25 04:23:26	ruthwik163	fuck linux ya nerds
2021-05-25 04:23:29	rouji	AciD`: that don't sound right
2021-05-25 04:23:38	AciD`	indeed
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2021-05-25 04:23:52	rouji	I just did that ~10h ago too
2021-05-25 04:23:58	AciD`	there must be a znc misconfiguration
2021-05-25 04:24:07	AciD`	I just cannot find where
2021-05-25 04:24:09	rouji	just do the registration without znc in the middle
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2021-05-25 04:24:31	ruthwik163	how do you make the kernel more secure
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2021-05-25 04:24:46	ruthwik163	well it was nice spending the night inside your mother
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2021-05-25 04:25:06	ruthwik163	heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy the servers slowing down
2021-05-25 04:25:10	ruthwik163	it's working
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2021-05-25 04:26:44	ruthwik163	hey
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2021-05-25 04:27:10	DPA	ruthwik163: Here is how you contribute to the kernel: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/1.Intro.html
2021-05-25 04:27:10	DPA	By the way, inpoliteness, impatience and threats tend to be counter productive for doing so.
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2021-05-25 04:35:02	rouji	AciD`: ah, I think I know why
2021-05-25 04:35:28	rouji	they require sasl for IP ranges that are known for spam
2021-05-25 04:35:29	AciD`	I'm all ears !
2021-05-25 04:35:37	AciD`	oh, weird
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2021-05-25 04:35:42	AciD`	oh well
2021-05-25 04:35:51	rouji	so the solution is doing the registration from somewhere else
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2021-05-25 04:36:02	AciD`	will try, thanks for the tip rouji
2021-05-25 04:36:15	treefrob	DPA, I don't know why you bothered trying to help that idiot
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2021-05-25 04:36:53	treefrob	to me, it seemed much too late for patience, calming words, etc
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2021-05-25 04:37:28	AciD`	rouji ⟹ it works from another ip! thanks again
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2021-05-25 04:39:01	rouji	my pleasure 👍
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2021-05-25 04:45:11	mms_	I get initramfs prompt almost weekly to run manually fsck on /dev/sda5.  is there some permanent fix ?
2021-05-25 04:45:20	mms_	I have debian buster
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2021-05-25 04:47:28	DPA	treefrob: My patience is in many cases almost unlimited, and almost nothing can stress me out. Why shouldn't I help him as if nothing happend? At worst, it may confuse him. At best, it may change him.
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2021-05-25 04:49:58	Quietus	Have you run fsck and completed the repairs?  If it was unable to complete the repairs did it say why?
2021-05-25 04:51:23	Quietus	Filesystem corruption can happen over time but if it's happening frequently I would start checking the hardware for issues.
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2021-05-25 04:54:00	treefrob	DPA, maybe you are a better person that I. After several comments designed to offend maximally, it seemed to me that further attempts at communication were pointless
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2021-05-25 05:00:23	DPA	mms_: To force fsck on boot: fsck.mode=force  To make it repair stuff automatically: fsck.repair=yes  You may want to make sure the right fsck binaries are part of the initramfs.
2021-05-25 05:00:24	DPA	Also, you may want to ensure everything gets cleanly stopped, synced & unmounted at shutdown.
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2021-05-25 05:01:33	DPA	(The fsck.repair=yes stuff belongs to the kernel cmdline. Can be set in grub.)
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2021-05-25 05:05:54	ignapk	Hi, I'm looking for a way to APPEND my pc audio to microphone input, not replace it as can be easily done with pavucontrol. Is this guide right for me? https://gist.github.com/varqox/c1a5d93d4d685ded539598676f550be8
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2021-05-25 05:39:11	iflema	jack
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2021-05-25 05:40:20	 *	iflema jacks alsa
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2021-05-25 05:41:50	iflema	https://qjackctl.sourceforge.io/image/qjackctl-screenshot1.png
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2021-05-25 05:42:48	iflema	ooh sourceforge
2021-05-25 05:43:00	iflema	fresh binary
2021-05-25 05:43:03	iflema	mmm
2021-05-25 05:43:29	iflema	tasty
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2021-05-25 05:47:41	jjakob	so a collection of nerds is now not considered a community? that might be good
2021-05-25 05:47:50	jjakob	depends on your definition of community I guess
2021-05-25 05:48:07	jjakob	a community as a colection of individuals, good
2021-05-25 05:48:20	 *	iflema tears
2021-05-25 05:48:47	jjakob	a community as a group with certain people deciding they're the leaders or policers or voices, not really good
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2021-05-25 05:49:22	iflema	people started bailing years ago
2021-05-25 05:49:31	iflema	this is not new
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2021-05-25 06:18:49	johnch	I need a little help with testing a microphone on Linux. In the past I have used arecord, but it doesn't work with this Logitech C930e webcam that I have. In PulseAudio if I speak then I can see the bar moving, but I can't record any audio. I would like to test before going online with Zoom or Skype.
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2021-05-25 06:19:02	johnch	I need a little help with testing a microphone on Linux. In the past I have used arecord, but it doesn't work with this Logitech C930e webcam that I have. In PulseAudio if I speak then I can see the bar moving, but I can't record any audio. I would like to test before going online with Zoom or Skype.
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2021-05-25 06:19:36	johnch	the command line I am using is: arecord -f S16_LE -d 3 -r 16000 --device="hw:2,0" mic-test-c930.wav
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2021-05-25 06:19:59	johnch	this (with correct card:device has worked for other microphones.
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2021-05-25 06:28:19	sumthing1980	hello I have a script that BEEPs, /usr/bin/beep is linked to  /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-25 06:28:43	sumthing1980	everytime I reboot it resets some ownership so it doesnt work
2021-05-25 06:29:00	sumthing1980	this is the command udo setfacl -m u:www-data:rwx /dev/input/event7
2021-05-25 06:29:05	sumthing1980	sudo setfacl -m u:www-data:rwx /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-25 06:29:30	sumthing1980	then it works but if I reboot it resets the info for /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-25 06:30:07	iflema	echo -e "\a" should beep too
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2021-05-25 06:30:38	sumthing1980	well it doesnt work for me
2021-05-25 06:30:53	MrElendig	1. xyproblem
2021-05-25 06:30:56	MrElendig	2. udev rule
2021-05-25 06:30:56	sumthing1980	but thats not the problem
2021-05-25 06:31:17	sumthing1980	it doeds work when I run that command but it resets
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2021-05-25 06:31:34	MrElendig	that symlink is nonsensical to begin with
2021-05-25 06:31:47	sumthing1980	so I gotta re run that command to enable it for www-data apache
2021-05-25 06:32:04	sumthing1980	MrElendig: it is not my invention thats how beep installed itself
2021-05-25 06:32:16	jjakob	so how do I do a 3way rsync
2021-05-25 06:32:22	jjakob	"The source and destination cannot both be remote."
2021-05-25 06:32:39	sumthing1980	jjakob: download then upload maybe
2021-05-25 06:32:50	sumthing1980	or ssh to one computer and rsync from there
2021-05-25 06:32:51	jjakob	that's not 3-way :)
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2021-05-25 06:33:43	MrElendig	/usr/bin/beep should really be something like https://github.com/spkr-beep/beep  not a symlink to a device file
2021-05-25 06:34:01	DPA	Device files in /dev/ are usually created & managed by udev. Permissions for them should be managed by udev rules, such that udev can set them when needed.
2021-05-25 06:34:03	jjakob	indeed
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2021-05-25 06:34:59	sumthing1980	no idea
2021-05-25 06:35:13	jjakob	I can do a 2way
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2021-05-25 06:36:35	jjakob	I guess rsync is still traditional and not "progressive"
2021-05-25 06:36:47	sumthing1980	so anyway beep looks like this
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2021-05-25 06:36:48	sumthing1980	-rwxrwxr-x+ 1 root root 28544 Mar 22  2020 /usr/bin/beep
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2021-05-25 06:37:47	sumthing1980	eeh nvm Ill ask some other time
2021-05-25 06:38:36	jjakob	where did you get that beep?
2021-05-25 06:38:42	sumthing1980	sudo apt install
2021-05-25 06:38:46	sumthing1980	beeo
2021-05-25 06:38:49	sumthing1980	beep
2021-05-25 06:38:59	Nickwiz	https://github.com/spkr-beep/beep/blob/master/PERMISSIONS.md
2021-05-25 06:39:01	jjakob	ah, app-misc/beep
2021-05-25 06:39:09	iflema	mutiple tones u use...
2021-05-25 06:39:32	jjakob	let me try to annoy my cats a bit
2021-05-25 06:39:48	sumthing1980	my pc speaker sounds like a untuned trumpet but it works
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2021-05-25 06:40:26	sumthing1980	Nickwiz: ill check it out thanks
2021-05-25 06:40:34	jjakob	sumthing1980: so you want to beep from apache?
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2021-05-25 06:40:52	sumthing1980	yea it works I have figured it out
2021-05-25 06:41:11	sumthing1980	system("beep") from php
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2021-05-25 06:41:23	jjakob	so you exec /usr/bin/beep but it's ran as www-data so it needs to have access to the beeper device
2021-05-25 06:41:23	sumthing1980	but every reboot I gotta run that command
2021-05-25 06:41:26	iflema	jjakob: jjakob media-libs media-plugins and get something click drag through the frequencies
2021-05-25 06:41:33	sumthing1980	yea
2021-05-25 06:41:40	jjakob	as someone already said, udev rule
2021-05-25 06:41:56	sumthing1980	yea Im gonna figure it out eventually I hope
2021-05-25 06:42:42	jjakob	you do a udevadm attribute-walk on the beeper device, figure out the unique parameters you can write the rule around, then put those in a rule in /etc/udev/rules.d
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2021-05-25 06:44:03	dleppich	Hi, I'm working on an embedded device and the touchscreen and a USB mouse are not working. There is no /dev/input, the kernel does not show any messages when I reconnect the mouse. I guess something is wrong with the kernel configuration but I'm far from an expert in this area. Does anyone have any hints for me? lsusb does not list any devices. I'm not quite sure but I think the touchscreen is
2021-05-25 06:44:04	dleppich	connected via USB as well. I tried loading a bunch of kernel modules with modprobe which sounded like they had something to do with USB or touchscreen, but nothing worked out for me
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2021-05-25 06:44:37	dleppich	Is there anything else what could be the issue other than the kernel / driver?
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2021-05-25 06:44:46	jjakob	sumthing1980:  udevadm info --attribute-walk /sys/devices/platform/pcspkr/input/input11
2021-05-25 06:44:58	jjakob	 ATTR{name}=="PC Speaker"
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2021-05-25 06:45:20	jjakob	so write a rule that matches that and sets the group and permissions like you do in udev
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2021-05-25 06:45:57	sumthing1980	I dont even know what udev is yet
2021-05-25 06:46:18	jjakob	well, you've got some reading to do
2021-05-25 06:46:38	sumthing1980	your command with input7 lists some stuff
2021-05-25 06:46:50	sumthing1980	and a pc speaker
2021-05-25 06:47:12	sumthing1980	parent device parent device. ...
2021-05-25 06:47:18	Lope	What filesystems support compression besides btrfs and zfs?
2021-05-25 06:47:31	jjakob	ntfs
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2021-05-25 06:47:45	Lope	linux fs's :)
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2021-05-25 06:47:56	DPA	f2fs too, I think.
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2021-05-25 06:48:08	DPA	Haven't tried it, though.
2021-05-25 06:48:08	Lope	and ntfs's compression is very limited
2021-05-25 06:48:34	MrElendig	you can put compression on top of any fs
2021-05-25 06:48:37	jjakob	sumthing1980: it's all described at https://github.com/spkr-beep/beep/blob/master/PERMISSIONS.md
2021-05-25 06:48:47	sumthing1980	yea thanks Im there
2021-05-25 06:48:49	sumthing1980	reading
2021-05-25 06:48:57	Lope	I don't see compression in `man mkfs.btrfs` ?
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2021-05-25 06:49:21	MrElendig	Lope: it is a mount option
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2021-05-25 06:49:37	Lope	MrElendig, thanks!
2021-05-25 06:49:39	MrElendig	Lope: you can even have compression (and different forms of compression) on different parts of the tree
2021-05-25 06:49:48	MrElendig	and disable it for other parts
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2021-05-25 06:51:07	iflema	trolling for 500 - one and done: what is a Nickwiz
2021-05-25 06:51:51	jjakob	sumthing1980: I just did the steps from "all other users" and "verifying the udev rules work" and it works
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2021-05-25 06:52:20	Lope	MrElendig, single/multi threaded? https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Compression
2021-05-25 06:52:21	sumthing1980	ok so what is the difference between system group and normal group? I had added a group beep before but it apparently is not a system group
2021-05-25 06:52:37	sumthing1980	nice
2021-05-25 06:52:39	sumthing1980	jjakob:
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2021-05-25 06:52:53	sumthing1980	so I gotta remove a group and re add it because it is not a system group
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2021-05-25 06:53:15	jjakob	it differs in the gid's
2021-05-25 06:53:25	jjakob	yeah you remove it and then readd
2021-05-25 06:53:29	sumthing1980	ok done
2021-05-25 06:53:44	jjakob	it's not a really critical difference but it's nice that it's correct
2021-05-25 06:54:02	jjakob	and then add www-data to beep group
2021-05-25 06:54:19	jjakob	and create that udev rule that uses acl (if you have setfacl installed)
2021-05-25 06:54:30	jjakob	or the other one if you don't
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2021-05-25 06:54:58	jjakob	I placed mine in /etc/udev/rules.d instead of the place they say, doesn't really matter
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2021-05-25 07:03:05	sumthing1980_	jjakob: so I gotta add both the udev rule lines to 90-pcspkr-beep.rules ?
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2021-05-25 07:03:43	sumthing1980_	this adds run rights to group beep to beep
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2021-05-25 07:06:22	ignapk	the answer to my problem in 2014: https://askubuntu.com/questions/421014/share-an-audio-playback-stream-through-a-live-audio-video-conversation-like-sk does anybody know if it's easier nowadays?
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2021-05-25 07:10:23	immibis	since libera's channel is preoccupied with IRC protocol: does anyone know the status of blu-ray and DVD burners on Linux?
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2021-05-25 07:10:39	immibis	can I just plug one in, or do I have to mess around with werid software and config files, or is it a lost cause?
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2021-05-25 07:11:07	MrElendig	most just works
2021-05-25 07:11:34	MrElendig	all the burning software are quite user-unfriendly and ancient though
2021-05-25 07:12:05	sumthing1980	back
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2021-05-25 07:12:28	MrElendig	why do you want to burn dvd/blueray though? except the special long term storage ones for backups
2021-05-25 07:12:38	johnch	I am using arecord to test a microphone an getting silence. However I can see the bar move when I view the microphone in PuleView. I have had no prblem testing microphones using arecord before. AFAIKT its on "hw2,0" and I do not get any error when I run the arecord command. Is there any other way to test and get some audio output?
2021-05-25 07:12:55	immibis	I was considering using it for backups/archival, yeah. good to know there are special disks...
2021-05-25 07:12:57	johnch	command line I am using: arecord -f cd -d 3 --device="hw:2,0" mic-test-c930.wav
2021-05-25 07:13:10	johnch	aplay -l
2021-05-25 07:13:39	johnch	it comes up as follows in aplay -l:
2021-05-25 07:13:41	johnch	card 2: CODEC [USB Audio CODEC], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio]
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2021-05-25 07:14:19	immibis	Are you sure it's the right device?
2021-05-25 07:14:30	MrElendig	consider using something pulse/pipe aware instead of arecord
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2021-05-25 07:15:13	immibis	also I believe only one program can open an ALSA hardware device. If Pulse has it open, arecord may not be able to open it. In ALSA systems, you layer a virtual device on top of the hardware device which allows it to be used by multiple programs
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2021-05-25 07:15:37	immibis	MrElendig: ancient software works for blu-ray? that is surprising
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2021-05-25 07:16:06	MrElendig	blueray is ancient
2021-05-25 07:16:09	johnch	well, I thought card 2 device 0 would be "hw2,0" for the arecord command line?
2021-05-25 07:16:30	immibis	heh. how time flies
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2021-05-25 07:16:46	MrElendig	blueray is old enough to drive and get kids in some places
2021-05-25 07:16:46	johnch	the other device is my monitor which comes up as HDMI 0
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2021-05-25 07:17:21	immibis	as far as i'm aware nothing has replaced it yet though. it is still the latest technology in that class of physical media?
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2021-05-25 07:17:43	MrElendig	usb sticks
2021-05-25 07:17:58	immibis	i see there is BD-XL with double the capacity
2021-05-25 07:18:01	DPA	dmix dsnoop
2021-05-25 07:18:38	MrElendig	you can't even buy windows on dvd anymore
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2021-05-25 07:18:55	jjakob	beep -f500 -nf400 -nf600 -nf800 -nf800; sleep 1; beep -f600 -nf800 -nf500 -nf400 -nf400
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2021-05-25 07:19:32	jjakob	sumthing1980: one line is a comment, the other is the actual rule
2021-05-25 07:19:32	immibis	MrElendig: you wouldn't trust a USB stick for long term storage. absolutely not
2021-05-25 07:19:45	jjakob	and they have 2 different versions with acl and without
2021-05-25 07:19:51	sumthing1980	no it says 2 different type of acl somethings
2021-05-25 07:19:51	sumthing1980	yea
2021-05-25 07:20:08	jjakob	if you run getfacl what does it say? command not found?
2021-05-25 07:20:17	sumthing1980	now it gives some other errors device not found
2021-05-25 07:20:38	jjakob	what?
2021-05-25 07:20:39	sumthing1980	when I run setfacl -m u:www-data w /dev/input/event7
2021-05-25 07:20:40	sumthing1980	it works
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2021-05-25 07:20:41	sumthing1980	again
2021-05-25 07:20:58	MrElendig	immibis: depends on the usb sticks
2021-05-25 07:21:03	jjakob	just use the acl rule since you already use acl
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2021-05-25 07:21:09	MrElendig	immibis: most will probably last longer than cheap dvd's
2021-05-25 07:21:27	sumthing1980	is that bad? it said something about not giving access to input or something
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2021-05-25 07:21:49	jjakob	sumthing1980: until you setup the udev rule and reload the pcspkr module it won't work
2021-05-25 07:21:54	MrElendig	immibis: most usb sticks should last about a decade, while a standard dvd is typically 5 years
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2021-05-25 07:21:56	jjakob	just follow the directions there
2021-05-25 07:21:57	immibis	https://discourse.destinationlinux.network/t/blu-ray-usb-burner-support-on-linux/292 this thread has one guy who said he's using this particular drive and media type with no issues. So that is enough evidence for me to buy one
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2021-05-25 07:22:04	MrElendig	ymmv of course
2021-05-25 07:22:20	jjakob	dvd bitrot?
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2021-05-25 07:22:32	MrElendig	could also use usb attached spinning rust
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2021-05-25 07:22:47	jjakob	there go all those dvd-r and rw people used to "archive" things
2021-05-25 07:22:48	MrElendig	jjakob: organic dyes are somewhat unstable even when stored dark/constant temp
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2021-05-25 07:23:07	immibis	jjakob: i've been informed there are special archival types, M-DISC claims 1000 years
2021-05-25 07:23:08	MrElendig	there are storage class disks that will last 10-50 years
2021-05-25 07:23:29	jjakob	they just bought the cheapest dvd-r they could
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2021-05-25 07:23:42	MrElendig	also some of the -rw variants of both dvd and cd can often last longer than the -r variants
2021-05-25 07:23:49	jjakob	cd-r are better probably
2021-05-25 07:23:54	immibis	also it would not surprise me if even cheap things last longer than the guarantee, which is usually conservative (though i doubt the M-DISC one is conservative)
2021-05-25 07:24:16	MrElendig	most cd-rw lasts longer than cd-r
2021-05-25 07:24:21	sumthing1980	inside 90-pcspkr-beep.rules it has this  : RUN+="/usr/bin/setfacl -m g:beep:w '$env{DEVNAME}'"
2021-05-25 07:24:27	sumthing1980	how will it know what DEVNAME will be
2021-05-25 07:24:40	jjakob	that's a substitution udev will do
2021-05-25 07:24:50	jjakob	like a variable in shell
2021-05-25 07:24:52	jjakob	similar
2021-05-25 07:25:07	sumthing1980	what actually works is this: setfacl -m u:www-data w /dev/input/event7
2021-05-25 07:25:20	jjakob	did you add www-data to beep group?
2021-05-25 07:25:30	sumthing1980	yes
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2021-05-25 07:25:46	jjakob	in /etc/group you have beep:...:www-data
2021-05-25 07:25:47	MrElendig	https://www.verbatim.com/prod/optical-media/dvd/archival-grade-gold-dvd-r/ultralife/
2021-05-25 07:25:51	sumthing1980	usermod www-data -a -G beep
2021-05-25 07:25:58	MrElendig	they are not cheap
2021-05-25 07:26:06	mnbvv	Can I set a hardwired theme for a GTK program?
2021-05-25 07:26:10	jjakob	umm check /etc/group
2021-05-25 07:26:29	sumthing1980	beep:x:143:www-data
2021-05-25 07:26:32	jjakob	yeah -aG should be ok
2021-05-25 07:26:46	sumthing1980	it's there
2021-05-25 07:26:48	jjakob	okay, so now follow the next step, testing
2021-05-25 07:26:55	jjakob	where you reload the module
2021-05-25 07:26:56	MrElendig	mnbvv: yes
2021-05-25 07:27:07	jjakob	only after you reload the module will the rule run
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2021-05-25 07:27:15	MrElendig	mnbvv: you can bundle the css and use non-standard names for everything
2021-05-25 07:27:17	sumthing1980	sudo modprobe -r pcspkr;
2021-05-25 07:27:19	jjakob	but then it'll run every boot when the module loads
2021-05-25 07:27:22	MrElendig	mnbvv: and other evil things
2021-05-25 07:27:48	jjakob	sumthing1980: that only removes it
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2021-05-25 07:28:06	sumthing1980	ok sudo  modprobe pcspkr
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2021-05-25 07:28:21	MrElendig	mnbvv: easiest if you use flatpack/snap/appimage/similar
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2021-05-25 07:28:55	mnbvv	What if I'm using just regular ./configure make install?
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2021-05-25 07:29:19	MrElendig	you should not do that if you want it installed system wide
2021-05-25 07:29:22	sumthing1980	Im gonna restart now
2021-05-25 07:29:25	dfrantzen	how do i redirect only when accessig domain name. not if you click on deep links on google?
2021-05-25 07:29:26	dfrantzen	using nginx
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2021-05-25 07:29:33	MrElendig	but you can edit the code to include the css you want
2021-05-25 07:29:40	MrElendig	include/bundle
2021-05-25 07:29:48	MrElendig	what is the actual problem here though?
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2021-05-25 07:29:57	jjakob	sumthing1980: why? you literally never need to restart
2021-05-25 07:30:16	MrElendig	dfrantzen: those are the exact same thing
2021-05-25 07:30:18	sumthing1980	what should I do then
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2021-05-25 07:30:55	jjakob	nothing. you reloaded the module. if you ls -la the input device, it should now have a beep group
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2021-05-25 07:31:27	sumthing1980	I have a beep group, I can run it with my user, but not from www-data
2021-05-25 07:31:31	sumthing1980	no error given
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2021-05-25 07:31:54	sumthing1980	so my solution is restart, uninstall beep reinstall and do all the instructions again
2021-05-25 07:31:59	dfrantzen	MrElendig: what do you mean?
2021-05-25 07:32:08	jjakob	sumthing1980: that's absurd
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2021-05-25 07:32:30	jjakob	there's literally no reason to do the things you already did again
2021-05-25 07:32:34	sumthing1980	because along the way I dont know which commands may or may not have screwed up the entire process
2021-05-25 07:32:53	jjakob	that makes no sense.
2021-05-25 07:33:06	MrElendig	dfrantzen: from the server standpoint, there is no difference between a user writing derp.com or clicking on a link that goes to derp.com in some google result page
2021-05-25 07:33:11	jjakob	you can run beep as your own user?
2021-05-25 07:33:14	sumthing1980	yes
2021-05-25 07:33:15	jjakob	and it works?
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2021-05-25 07:33:23	sumthing1980	beeps yes
2021-05-25 07:33:24	jjakob	you added yourself to beep group too?
2021-05-25 07:33:25	MrElendig	dfrantzen: only way to differentiate would be to use some referral code
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2021-05-25 07:33:41	jjakob	then everythin gyou did is ok
2021-05-25 07:34:02	MrElendig	google actually supports that, kinda, if you opt into their malware
2021-05-25 07:34:08	jjakob	you maybe need to also restart apache
2021-05-25 07:34:13	sumthing1980	mm no I didnt this time
2021-05-25 07:34:53	jjakob	MrElendig: but there is, it's called the Referer header in HTTP
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2021-05-25 07:35:15	sumthing1980	what is a command so I can run a command as another user?
2021-05-25 07:35:29	jjakob	if you click a link the referer header gets set to the url the link is on
2021-05-25 07:35:58	MrElendig	I did mention that
2021-05-25 07:36:02	jjakob	which is how they can track the page/site a click came from, eve without tracking id's
2021-05-25 07:36:17	MrElendig	but random servers won't send that
2021-05-25 07:36:19	jjakob	sumthing1980: sudo
2021-05-25 07:36:28	jjakob	sudo -u user command
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2021-05-25 07:36:52	sumthing1980	when you succeeded in running beep I can do that to, problem is running it from inside a php script in apache
2021-05-25 07:36:56	jjakob	MrElendig: well yeah, if you do a new request
2021-05-25 07:37:15	sumthing1980	this command makes it work: setfacl -m u:www-data w /dev/input/event7
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2021-05-25 07:37:44	 *	MrElendig parses "deep links" to also mean links in search results themself
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2021-05-25 07:38:49	triceratux	MrElendig: can we get you to take over this channel once its formally abandoned ?
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2021-05-25 07:39:08	triceratux	you always seemed to know something about gnu/linux/x11 :)
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2021-05-25 07:40:48	MrElendig	only if I get to change it to "sms sk oly"
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2021-05-25 07:41:15	triceratux	rofl
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2021-05-25 07:42:15	jjakob	sumthing1980: well, it must be something with the permissions on the files then. no ides.
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2021-05-25 07:43:00	Nickwiz	Does the beep binstill have 4755
2021-05-25 07:43:49	Nickwiz	*beep bin
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2021-05-25 07:44:59	sumthing1980	I have reinstalled it Im gonna try the commands again
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2021-05-25 07:47:21	dfrantzen	MrElendig: so you say that you cant redirect example.com without redirecting example.com/post? I thought it would be possible with either a location entry or something similar in the vhostr
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2021-05-25 07:47:56	MrElendig	dfrantzen: that's not what you asked for originally as I read your question
2021-05-25 07:48:10	dfrantzen	ok but this is what i want to optain
2021-05-25 07:48:57	MrElendig	nginx will happily redirect just the root path if you tell it to
2021-05-25 07:49:23	dfrantzen	location ~ ^/$ {
2021-05-25 07:49:24	dfrantzen	    return 301 https://ticket.example.com/;
2021-05-25 07:49:24	MrElendig	location = / { return 301 ....;} should work just fine
2021-05-25 07:49:24	dfrantzen	}
2021-05-25 07:49:37	dfrantzen	that one may do the same thing thanks
2021-05-25 07:50:13	MrElendig	must of course have matching rules for any path you don't want redirected
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2021-05-25 07:51:23	dfrantzen	sure
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2021-05-25 07:52:13	jjakob	you can do what you want with the riht regex
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2021-05-25 07:57:33	jjakob	okay so wtf, rrsync says "option -s has been disabled on this server"
2021-05-25 07:57:56	jjakob	a while ago you were saying I should always use -s
2021-05-25 07:58:05	peetaur	jjakob: are you using it via ssh?
2021-05-25 07:58:33	jjakob	yes
2021-05-25 07:59:51	peetaur	well I think via ssh this doesn't apply (ssh is the deamon...not rsync), but it says you should disable --protect-args in some cases https://rsync.samba.org/security.html
2021-05-25 08:00:31	jjakob	https://git.samba.org/?p=rsync.git;a=blob;f=support/rrsync;hb=a6bdf313f239cabfef445bc3658b79aec8a40c37#l63
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2021-05-25 08:16:47	sumthing1980	hello guys it works now thanks for all the support
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2021-05-25 08:17:53	sumthing1980	jjakob: thanks
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2021-05-25 08:40:04	triceratux	guys this is a little offtopic but does anyone know what "DEAD" means in the ycombinator feeds ? https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC/Migrating_to_Libera_Chat
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2021-05-25 08:46:06	terabit	triceratux: dead means too much downvote I think
2021-05-25 08:46:10	Lope	MrElendig, triceratux, peetaur, you guys are OG's. here's a dumb question... how do I make a RAM based block device like Zram, but without compression?
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2021-05-25 08:46:33	peetaur	Lope: a tmpfs is easier...
2021-05-25 08:46:44	Lope	peetaur, I need a block device though
2021-05-25 08:46:50	peetaur	Lope: to make a ram based thing, you have to configure the ramdisk thing so it is the size you want, and then reboot
2021-05-25 08:46:59	peetaur	and then you can make ramdisks that appear in /dev/...
2021-05-25 08:47:06	Lope	it's a bit of a weird one, cos I actually want compression, but I want to have certainty as to how much RAM the fucking Zram is going to use.
2021-05-25 08:47:08	peetaur	a loop device in tmpfs is a block device
2021-05-25 08:47:15	Lope	ANd if I enable compression, then I've got no idea.
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2021-05-25 08:47:31	Lope	Unless of course I set a max size on it, which I suppose I can do.
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2021-05-25 08:47:54	Lope	But I want to run a filesystem ontop of the zram and would prefer to do the compression on that layer, not at the block level.
2021-05-25 08:48:17	Lope	peetaur, yeah I know I can do a loop device in tmpfs
2021-05-25 08:48:22	Lope	bit weird though.
2021-05-25 08:48:52	Lope	I might just need to do it in a VM, then I can control RAM usage.
2021-05-25 08:49:01	Lope	Or perhaps rather LXC or something
2021-05-25 08:49:14	Lope	But then I dunno if Zram will work in LXC
2021-05-25 08:49:15	peetaur	and without reboot, you can already make ramdisks...but they are some ridiculously small size by default
2021-05-25 08:49:25	Lope	yeah I know
2021-05-25 08:49:29	Lope	I use ramdisks
2021-05-25 08:49:42	Lope	hmm, will keep fiddling.
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2021-05-25 08:51:36	Lope	is IO still a problem in KVM etc?
2021-05-25 08:51:43	Lope	like slow etc vs metal?
2021-05-25 08:52:14	peetaur	IO in KVM is pretty efficient with virtio-scsi...but there are cases where it's not, like with files on btrfs, it performs badly without -o nodatasum
2021-05-25 08:52:31	peetaur	I mean on the host...the vm image is on btrfs as a file, not a block device
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2021-05-25 08:53:31	Lope	peetaur, what about if I pass a whole SSD to the VM?
2021-05-25 08:53:43	Lope	virtio
2021-05-25 08:53:54	Lope	just pass /dev/foo with virtio?
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2021-05-25 08:54:10	peetaur	Lope: if it's virtio-scsi it'll be pretty efficient... virtio is good too, but it's not the one the main users develop and use so it might not improve any more ...dunno
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2021-05-25 08:54:46	peetaur	yeah just tell it the file is /dev/foo
2021-05-25 08:54:47	Lope	peetaur, interesting, I thought virtio would be faster than virtio-scsi?
2021-05-25 08:55:06	peetaur	maybe some time ago it was... maybe in some case it still is; I dunno
2021-05-25 08:55:24	peetaur	virtio-scsi is the modern thing, supporting online resizing, hot adding, trim (hole punching so the host saves space, SSD or not), etc.
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2021-05-25 08:56:58	Lope	peetaur, thanks.
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2021-05-25 09:00:13	Lope	peetaur, is there a way to tune linux swap so that it moves bigger amounts of data, not like one 4K page at a time?
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2021-05-25 09:00:32	peetaur	what I do is disable swap, adn then it always moves the maximum size, which is 0 :)
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2021-05-25 09:00:47	peetaur	does it really move 4k at a time? that's horrible.
2021-05-25 09:00:49	Lope	peetaur, so you're saying you're the wrong guy to ask
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2021-05-25 09:00:55	Lope	peetaur, no, I have no idea.
2021-05-25 09:01:13	Lope	but I've benchmarked my swap device and it needs to move a decent amount of data to be fast.
2021-05-25 09:01:19	Lope	4K it's pretty shit.
2021-05-25 09:01:22	peetaur	well I don't know why swap is so horrible, but I find it is, so I always disable it normally, and only enable it when I know I need more RAM
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2021-05-25 09:01:44	peetaur	put swap on RAM and see how much slower it still is ... they should fix it
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2021-05-25 09:03:01	peetaur	and I don't know how I managed to use so much today, but clearly I don't need swap
2021-05-25 09:03:03	peetaur	               total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
2021-05-25 09:03:04	peetaur	Mem:           32182       21569         256         719       10355        9435
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2021-05-25 09:04:39	peetaur	a bunch of "Web Content" were using a bunch....restarted firefox and now it's avail=13882
2021-05-25 09:05:09	peetaur	it was probably bitcoin miners running in javascript ads
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2021-05-25 09:11:45	triceratux	this is good. its all about the vm.swappiness not the page size https://chrisdown.name/2018/01/02/in-defence-of-swap.html
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2021-05-25 09:16:32	peetaur	all these theoretical things mean nothing when I can set swapiness to 0 and it still uses swap and still causes stalls from using io when it doesn't have to
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2021-05-25 09:17:00	peetaur	and using no swap has no issues... if oom killer kills something, it's going to be something misbehaving, and good riddance to whatever it kills
2021-05-25 09:17:51	peetaur	and pretty sure my last test of zram was on a 4.x kernel so "On kernels >4.0, the situation is significantly better" doesn't sound like they fixed whatever it was that kills performance
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2021-05-25 09:21:42	triceratux	hrm looks like they were working on swapping hugepages https://lwn.net/Articles/758677/
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2021-05-25 09:23:25	peetaur	why isn't there some flag saying only use swap for this 'it simply shifts the disk I/O thrashing from anonymous pages to file pages' thing ...then I would enable it; but I hate when it moves things there and I can see stalls because of it, even when swapiness=0
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2021-05-25 09:26:25	triceratux	i get swap thrashing stalls all the time with 2G real & 5G swap. it causes the disk to make the magic bell sound. it normally means something else is wrong with memory management in the distro
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2021-05-25 09:27:13	triceratux	dingity dingity dingity spooling the swap spooling the swap dingity dingity dingity
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2021-05-25 09:31:12	SkunkyLaptop	peetaur: what's overcommit_memory set to?
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2021-05-25 09:43:52	sumthing1980	helo how can I rescan all the drives connected to the pc
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2021-05-25 09:44:03	sumthing1980	umount something?
2021-05-25 09:44:08	sumthing1980	mount -t ?
2021-05-25 09:44:13	sumthing1980	what was it
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2021-05-25 09:45:44	sumthing1980	so I connected a drive to the pc, connected sata and power
2021-05-25 09:45:51	sumthing1980	how can I access it
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2021-05-25 09:46:45	wigums	check lsblk. if its not already mounted just mount it somewhere
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2021-05-25 09:47:22	wigums	if you want it permenant then look at blkid to get the UUID and add it to your fstab
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2021-05-25 09:56:26	ananke	argh. he's gone
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2021-05-25 10:00:01	triceratux	& just like that theyre gone :) https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=freenode&chat=archlinux https://netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23archlinux&net=Libera.Chat
2021-05-25 10:00:12	triceratux	when ya gotta go ya gotta go :D
2021-05-25 10:02:13	oxek	triceratux: they are far from gone, over 1k users in the freenode channel, and the channel is not even +mz or other similar mode
2021-05-25 10:03:25	triceratux	it must be netsplit. theyre dropping the channels with more than 400 or so users sometimes
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2021-05-25 11:02:16	TheWiz45	yo! Hello! :)
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2021-05-25 11:04:15	TheWiz45	How are you guys doing?
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2021-05-25 11:05:35	ShahNaim	good
2021-05-25 11:05:46	TheWiz45	Nice to hear!!
2021-05-25 11:05:51	TheWiz45	: )
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2021-05-25 11:28:59	gtlsgamr	Ayo
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2021-05-25 11:29:37	ZenixOwler	question about Arch, is there anyhow i can allow running "makepkg" as root ? i am trying to install chrome widely so every user can use and i'm thinking of running it as root then assign a stick bit to it
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2021-05-25 11:29:47	ZenixOwler	or maybe it will do that automatically but the thing is Arch doesn't allow it to
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2021-05-25 11:32:42	almostdvs	What do you mean Arch doesn't allow it to?
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2021-05-25 11:34:01	binux	I have a probably strange wish.  I want to search a number of files and insert the name of the file in a block of text by matching the first word in the block of text.  So it would need to be some kind of: for i in file1 file2 file3 file4 file5; do {find my file then add the name of the file after a word matching "permissions"; done for example
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2021-05-25 11:35:51	Prestige	ZenixOwler: I don't think you have to run it as root, it'll be installed globally anyway
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2021-05-25 11:36:46	djph	binux: ... what
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2021-05-25 11:37:02	ZenixOwler	Prestige: oh, ok nice to know
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2021-05-25 11:37:52	almostdvs	binux: good luck!
2021-05-25 11:38:00	binux	almostdvs: lol
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2021-05-25 11:38:22	almostdvs	I would start with the innermost loop and build out
2021-05-25 11:38:39	binux	almostdvs: I think I nearly have a solution
2021-05-25 11:39:10	rangergord	binux: Python exposes many file read/write and text search capabilities
2021-05-25 11:39:12	rangergord	which would make achieving your goal easier
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2021-05-25 11:43:50	spiri	is there a way to switch back to gnome look prior version 40 and without rolling back old packages?
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2021-05-25 11:49:38	rangergord	hey, what's that FOSS service with free relay so I can voice chat with someone just by sharing URLs, without signing up to accounts?
2021-05-25 11:49:49	rangergord	Uses webRTC
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2021-05-25 11:52:45	almostdvs	Signal?
2021-05-25 11:53:06	almostdvs	I don't know anything about it but it sounds like your description
2021-05-25 11:53:23	rangergord	no that's a mobile app that requires phone numbers, last time I checked
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2021-05-25 11:53:33	rangergord	Firefox Hello seems to do it but I can't figure out how to launch the stupid thing
2021-05-25 11:53:56	rangergord	how do they expect people to use it if it's not anywhere in the menu or their help page
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2021-05-25 11:56:05	oxek	rangergord: jitsi meet
2021-05-25 11:56:18	rangergord	I think it's discontinued and they just removed the DNS and left the reference to it on their "Chat and share" page. All the youtube guides are from 6 years ago. Maybe if Mozilla used donations for important shit instead of diversity drives, I wouldn't be in this situation
2021-05-25 11:56:19	rangergord	thanks oxek, checking it out
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2021-05-25 12:03:18	triceratux	jaiya: ah thanks. that explains it. #linux must have decided to go +s https://netsplit.de/channels/?net=Libera.Chat
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2021-05-25 12:12:19	oxek	##linux on here should go +s if the desire is to not appear on netsplit.de
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2021-05-25 12:13:21	triceratux	my own channel is set that way but ive got stuff to hide
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2021-05-25 12:13:55	triceratux	irc is so cloak & dagger when its in the wrong hands
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2021-05-25 12:15:18	oxek	well, cloaks and daggers are so cloak & dagger when they are in the wrong hands too
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2021-05-25 12:16:06	triceratux	the gears of irc grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine
2021-05-25 12:16:34	triceratux	the people get the irc they deserve
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2021-05-25 12:20:05	triceratux	oh well nothing to do but boot tumbleweed :)
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2021-05-25 12:20:29	p0indexter	what would be the reason to leave freenode?
2021-05-25 12:21:22	oxek	p0indexter: for ##linux? The fact that it is #linux over there.
2021-05-25 12:21:38	oxek	saves typing one extra character
2021-05-25 12:21:47	oxek	think of the time savings!
2021-05-25 12:21:48	p0indexter	aah
2021-05-25 12:22:03	p0indexter	im that way w shift key
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2021-05-25 12:26:49	michaelis	Why, if I chmod -R o+rwx then only root can see the change and not my ordinary user? I thought that if o could rwx then every user had access.
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2021-05-25 12:27:50	immibis	michaelis: u or g overrides o, if the user or group matches
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2021-05-25 12:28:57	immibis	if you have "---r--rw-  alice  people" then alice can do nothing, other people can read, other users can read and write
2021-05-25 12:29:55	michaelis	immibis: But it's root root and my user only belongs to user and mail.
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2021-05-25 12:33:32	immibis	what is the parent directory? also what do you mean by seeing the change?
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2021-05-25 12:34:10	michaelis	immibis: When I'm logged in as my user then I cannot see that the permissions have changed. Only when logged in as root.
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2021-05-25 12:35:14	michaelis	immibis: Parent is my home diretory.
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2021-05-25 12:38:07	michaelis	immibis: Ok, you are right.
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2021-05-25 12:38:20	michaelis	It's because it was in my home directory.
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2021-05-25 12:40:34	immibis	but your user presumably has permissions to see inside your home directory
2021-05-25 12:41:07	immibis	there's no way you don't see that the permissions changed. Either they changed or they didn't, there aren't two different sets of permissions. It's possible to not be able to see permissions *at all* IIRC
2021-05-25 12:41:17	immibis	(but not very common)
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2021-05-25 12:43:19	binux	michaelis:  hey do "stat  /home" and paste the output in pastebin
2021-05-25 12:43:52	binux	sorry /home/*yourusername"
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2021-05-25 12:43:57	binux	as root
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2021-05-25 12:53:48	rangergord	oxek: thanks man, Jitsi worked great
2021-05-25 12:54:02	oxek	rangergord: good to know
2021-05-25 12:54:12	rangergord	share URL, and we had voice + video + screensharing , between Windows and Debian
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2021-05-25 13:15:10	cvoges12	Hmm, my ethernet interface isn't coming up. Keep trying `ip link set up <int>` and `ip link set dev <int>` and nothing is happening
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2021-05-25 13:16:21	ForeverNoob[m]	hi, why do I have 6 inet6 addresses for my wifi interface according to "ip -c a" ?
2021-05-25 13:17:51	cvoges12	ForeverNoob[m]: All on one interface?
2021-05-25 13:17:58	cvoges12	Or like on multiples
2021-05-25 13:17:59	ForeverNoob[m]	yes
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2021-05-25 13:20:44	TheWiz45	amog us : )
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2021-05-25 13:21:34	cvoges12	Hmm, what kind of interface? It isn't unusual for two on wireless sometimes
2021-05-25 13:21:49	cvoges12	No idea why six though. That's absurd
2021-05-25 13:22:19	cvoges12	Anyone have any ideas toward what might be keeping an interface from going to status up?
2021-05-25 13:22:33	jjakob	it's ipv6 privacy
2021-05-25 13:22:42	jjakob	it generates random addresses
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2021-05-25 13:23:27	ForeverNoob[m]	example with redacted addresses: https://paste.debian.net/plain/1198761/
2021-05-25 13:23:31	jjakob	IPv6 ULA
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2021-05-25 13:23:54	peetaur	cvoges12: what driver is it? ( lspci -k | grep -A10 -i ethernet )
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2021-05-25 13:24:03	jjakob	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unique_local_address
2021-05-25 13:24:05	peetaur	"Kernel driver in use"
2021-05-25 13:24:48	peetaur	cvoges12: for really buggy drivers (or even other things, like bad cables), it can help to set it half duplex or 100Mbps .... obviously this is a lame solution, but you can at least see that it works before you move further
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2021-05-25 13:24:53	peetaur	set those things with ethtool
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2021-05-25 13:25:17	jjakob	actually RFC4941, ULA are something different
2021-05-25 13:25:48	ForeverNoob[m]	oh so they are primarily used for privacy purposes?
2021-05-25 13:25:50	jjakob	cvoges12: whatever you use to manage it, networkmanager, netplan, systemd-networkd
2021-05-25 13:25:54	cvoges12	peetaur: https://0x0.st/-e7q.txt
2021-05-25 13:25:57	jjakob	ifupdown...
2021-05-25 13:26:29	jjakob	ForeverNoob[m]: yes, read the RFC
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2021-05-25 13:26:40	peetaur	r8169 used to be a pretty bad driver. and e1000e still is a horribly bad driver on some hardware and works fine on others.
2021-05-25 13:26:44	AckSynAck	hello, I am looking for a FOSS note-taking program. would you recommend any?
2021-05-25 13:26:59	ForeverNoob[m]	One does not simply... "Read the RFC"
2021-05-25 13:26:59	cvoges12	jjakob I'm using `ip link set up` b/c no `ifup` or `ifconfig` installed
2021-05-25 13:27:09	ForeverNoob[m]	but I'll try :)
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2021-05-25 13:27:17	jjakob	ForeverNoob[m]: except, I do it a lot
2021-05-25 13:27:32	cvoges12	RFC is good to read. You may learn a lot
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2021-05-25 13:27:44	ForeverNoob[m]	AckSynAck: what are you looking for? GUI? CLI?
2021-05-25 13:27:58	jjakob	cvoges12: well, I never reall did a lot that manually, but it should be possible
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2021-05-25 13:28:04	ForeverNoob[m]	jjakob: Every time I try to read it my brain starts melting. Maybe it's just a practice thing.
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2021-05-25 13:28:33	cvoges12	jjakob: I noticed its stuck even after a reboot. If that helps at all
2021-05-25 13:28:41	cvoges12	It was working fine a minute ago
2021-05-25 13:28:44	peetaur	cvoges12: I found e1000e will always work normally initially, and only fail randomly later, with clear signs in dmesg ... so it doesn't match what you are saying. And on most but not all, this will fix it:  ethtool -K com gso off gro off tso off   (but in theory cause more CPU or latency)
2021-05-25 13:28:58	AckSynAck	ForeverNoob[m], a GUI one
2021-05-25 13:28:58	peetaur	er   com  here is the name of the device...replace with eth0 or whatever
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2021-05-25 13:30:08	ForeverNoob[m]	AckSynAck: Emacs has a GUI in which you can use org-mode, it has a bit of a learning curve but it's probably going to be the last note taking app that you'll ever need.
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2021-05-25 13:31:14	AckSynAck	ForeverNoob[m], I need something to use right away
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2021-05-25 13:31:37	ForeverNoob[m]	Try https://github.com/zadam/trilium
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2021-05-25 13:32:32	AckSynAck	and preferably a linux-native program, or at least one with a .deb file
2021-05-25 13:33:22	cvoges12	Nothing new in dmesg after running `ip link set dev <int> up` either
2021-05-25 13:33:33	AckSynAck	I know I can do online search for it, but I am interested in practical experience. like something one uses daily.
2021-05-25 13:33:39	cvoges12	peetaur: Yea, e1000e is usually stable for me
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2021-05-25 13:34:38	TheWiz45	cool
2021-05-25 13:34:47	ForeverNoob[m]	¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I use either vim or Emacs for my notes
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2021-05-25 13:36:00	peetaur	cvoges12: and what test do you use to know if it works?
2021-05-25 13:36:18	cvoges12	`ip link sh`
2021-05-25 13:36:22	peetaur	start by pinging something locally using the ip instaed of dns ...ensure it really allows pings and not blocked in the firewall
2021-05-25 13:36:29	cvoges12	Or `ip a sh`
2021-05-25 13:36:33	AckSynAck	ForeverNoob[m], thank you :)
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2021-05-25 13:36:46	cvoges12	Or checking the interface's LED's
2021-05-25 13:36:51	cvoges12	for activity
2021-05-25 13:36:55	peetaur	how does that say if it works... it still doesn't say "UP"?
2021-05-25 13:37:16	cvoges12	It says `STATUS DOWN`
2021-05-25 13:37:25	cvoges12	Or wait
2021-05-25 13:37:29	cvoges12	`state DOWN`
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2021-05-25 13:38:07	peetaur	but does it say up too, like this one?  2: eth0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq master br0 state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
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2021-05-25 13:38:42	peetaur	this example is "UP" in the <> but also "NO-CARRIER" (which is like, not plugged in...or other device on the other end has the link down), so it says DOWN
2021-05-25 13:38:44	cvoges12	`2: enp0s25: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc pfifo_fast state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000`
2021-05-25 13:38:58	peetaur	ok so like my example t hen... but yours is not a bridge like my exmaple
2021-05-25 13:39:13	peetaur	so I would look at the lights on the NIC and on whatever it's connected to, and try connecting it to something else
2021-05-25 13:39:20	cvoges12	Huh, yea. UP too. Probably something wrong at the physical layer?
2021-05-25 13:39:37	ForeverNoob[m]	AckSynAck: Do note that I don't use it myself, but so far I've heard good feedback about it.
2021-05-25 13:39:46	cvoges12	Wonder if the cable got frayed or smth
2021-05-25 13:40:06	peetaur	example how to end up like that state... let's say you have a Cisco switch, and you plugged in your device and that device sent an STP packet. The default on the switch is likely to then just kill that port...shut it down. So now you'll see "NO-CARRIER".
2021-05-25 13:40:29	peetaur	but if you told the switch to allow STP, then it works (after some timeout if you already tried it before)
2021-05-25 13:40:45	AckSynAck	ForeverNoob[m], I understand
2021-05-25 13:40:49	peetaur	but a netgear switch probably won't have such a paranoid default, and will work fine
2021-05-25 13:40:49	cvoges12	Yea, wasn't thinking to check the `<NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP>` part
2021-05-25 13:41:03	cvoges12	Was only looking at `state UP`
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2021-05-25 13:41:20	peetaur	you could also have a bad cable
2021-05-25 13:41:40	cvoges12	Thanks for the help though
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2021-05-25 13:42:32	peetaur	(my example btw is just a machine with a few physical ports in a bridge, but not all are connected, and that's intended and fine; I just connect a laptop or whatever there temporarily)
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2021-05-25 13:50:03	ForeverNoob[m]	holy crap
2021-05-25 13:50:15	ForeverNoob[m]	my ISP assigned an ipv6 address apparently
2021-05-25 13:50:24	ForeverNoob[m]	and now my IP is leaking from my VPN
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2021-05-25 13:50:55	ForeverNoob[m]	how do I completely disable ipv6?
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2021-05-25 13:57:49	cvoges12	peetaur: Was the other end's fault. Oof
2021-05-25 13:57:55	cvoges12	But thanks
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2021-05-25 14:00:59	TheWiz45	How do I leave vim?
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2021-05-25 14:01:29	peetaur	TheWiz45: esc, and then :q   make it :wq to write too, or to force add a !
2021-05-25 14:01:46	ForeverNoob[m]	ok, so it's: sudo sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.all.disable_ipv6=1 && sudo sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.default.disable_ipv6=1 && sudo sysctl -w net.ipv6.conf.lo.disable_ipv6=1
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2021-05-25 14:02:02	peetaur	if esc doesn't work, you're probably in some weird mode ... I don't know how to get in this mode, but if I have the wrong keyboard layout and hit buttons, I somehow end up in it:) ... and then ctrl+c a few times and then the esc,:q works
2021-05-25 14:02:04	TheWiz45	esc does not work
2021-05-25 14:02:33	TheWiz45	all right I will try it out
2021-05-25 14:02:52	ForeverNoob[m]	So frustrating. Every time I deal with ipv6 it's because it's leaking something for me. My first experience was when I got an ipv6 address... with my freaking MAC address in it!!
2021-05-25 14:03:23	ForeverNoob[m]	so here ipv6 will be disabled until further notice
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2021-05-25 14:03:56	cvoges12	TheWiz45: You esc then do `:q`, `:wq`, or `:q!`
2021-05-25 14:04:16	TheWiz45	ok so I just killed the process with htop, and jt works now, now I will have to start all over. : l
2021-05-25 14:04:56	TheWiz45	esc did not work... thank you for your help! Just new to linux by the way
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2021-05-25 14:05:17	peetaur	TheWiz45: to learn vim later, run 'vimtutor'
2021-05-25 14:05:18	ForeverNoob[m]	TheWiz45: Welcome to vim :)
2021-05-25 14:05:19	ForeverNoob[m]	http://vi.stackexchange.com/questions/300/other-ways-to-exit-insert-mode-besides-escape
2021-05-25 14:05:21	cvoges12	Like peetaur said, try ctrl+c a few times before trying to quit
2021-05-25 14:05:38	cvoges12	Sometimes you might be in a weird mode
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2021-05-25 14:06:28	TheWiz45	yee, maybe was typing without realizing I was not on the insert mode thing. :P
2021-05-25 14:07:08	ForeverNoob[m]	ah, I remember my first confusion when trying to exit vim, it's like it was yesterday :)
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2021-05-25 14:08:02	TheWiz45	XD, yes..
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2021-05-25 14:09:16	TheWiz45	Man, I do feel cool just by setting up weechat and talking to yall. :)
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2021-05-25 14:10:54	ForeverNoob[m]	fast forward a couple of scenes and you'll be living in the terminal :)
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2021-05-25 14:13:37	TheWiz45	Yes, trying to do everything in thr terminal so K can learn linux at its core! I currently only have a raspberry pi and will have a linux machine soon once I feel comfortable using it.
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2021-05-25 14:16:05	ForeverNoob[m]	TheWiz45: great, that means you'll be able to spin up VMs on that machine. They're great for experimenting. Break something? Just switch back to the latest working snapshot.
2021-05-25 14:16:40	TheWiz45	Already broke it couple times with systemd. lol
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2021-05-25 14:25:12	ForeverNoob[m]	from braking comes learning, so it's all good :)
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2021-05-25 14:35:27	mnbvv10	The web has gotten so big that having both a lightweight and fully functional browser is simply impossible today.
2021-05-25 14:36:01	TheWiz45	yes
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2021-05-25 14:43:54	TheWiz45	I will leave now see ya!
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2021-05-25 14:58:21	superdreamkilla	On boot up, my screen flashes from bright to off for a second before returning to normal, as if the system is exercising it. It never used to be a problem until I upgraded to a solid state drive and now systemd is loading so quickly that the screen thing is happening after I'm already at the command prompt. Does anyone know what this is or if it can be disabled?
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2021-05-25 15:26:15	ad__	any trick to modify a file in /etc in a RO fs ?
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2021-05-25 15:29:08	ad__	djph, it's squashfs
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2021-05-25 15:33:03	djph	ad__: then you have to rebuild the whole thing.
2021-05-25 15:33:06	djph	... ew...
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2021-05-25 16:22:19	goddard	so can some one tell me when using an Nvidia CUDA task why I can't also use my desktop without it glitching out?
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2021-05-25 16:22:36	goddard	is this a kernel problem?
2021-05-25 16:23:00	goddard	not able to de-prioritize the task to give my desktop the resources?
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2021-05-25 16:26:36	hexnewbie	I think it's a performance problem.
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2021-05-25 16:33:12	neshpion	they make pills for performance problems you know
2021-05-25 16:34:44	hexnewbie	you give the app a sleeping pill, and it's performance changes
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2021-05-25 16:35:32	hexnewbie	The performance changes abound!
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2021-05-25 17:05:52	slayne	Have we already moved to libera or is you're giving me the silent treatment :O
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2021-05-25 17:21:26	Prestige	hi slayne
2021-05-25 17:21:33	Prestige	both probably
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2021-05-25 17:22:13	slayne	I see, it's been a while since I've been here. Why the move though ?
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2021-05-25 17:22:35	Prestige	See https://libera.chat/ for some details
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2021-05-25 17:23:10	Prestige	I think most places are moving in solidarity with the (old) freenode staff
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2021-05-25 17:24:15	slayne	Thank you, I'll read that !
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2021-05-25 17:42:20	RipFreenode[llf]	*boop boop* WARNING !!/*\!! Attention all readers. Freenode is now shutting down. Our new server is on libera.chat. !!/*\!! WARNING *boop boop*
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2021-05-25 17:47:01	triceratux	https://sunweavers.net/blog/node/130
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2021-05-25 17:48:17	triceratux	https://code.opensuse.org/board/tickets/issue/4
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2021-05-25 17:51:08	triceratux	its all about the matrix bridging
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2021-05-25 17:53:56	novelcoronavirus	come join ##linux on Liberia.chat (this is not advices)
2021-05-25 17:54:30	esselfe	btw it's #linux...
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2021-05-25 17:56:48	triceratux	also theres no beria in libera :)
2021-05-25 17:56:53	novelcoronavirus	esselfe is clearly a lizard who wants to confuse us
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2021-05-25 17:59:38	rangergord	Hey folx, write down your favorite IRC network, as well as your preferred pronouns. I'll start: Libera.chat, xhi/xhir
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2021-05-25 18:10:47	ofd	 I have a GTX 1050 in my laptop, alongside the built-in UHD 630 graphics. Whenever I launch a game, it uses the integrated graphics, and I cannot figure out how to switch to discrete. (Switching the whole system to the 1050 is fine). (The 1050 shows up in lspci) (arch)
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2021-05-25 18:14:47	immibis[2libera]	you probably need to install bumblebee or I think it has a newer alternative?
2021-05-25 18:15:08	immibis[2libera]	optisomething
2021-05-25 18:15:16	immibis[2libera]	or that might also be part of bumblebee
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2021-05-25 18:15:59	immibis[2libera]	oh yeah, optirun and primus-run, I think they're both part of it. Stick either one in front of your game command, hope it doesn't crash, if it does then try the other one...
2021-05-25 18:16:02	MrElendig	your distro should have documentation on how to use a optimus setup
2021-05-25 18:16:13	MrElendig	how exactly depends on how outdated the distro is
2021-05-25 18:16:31	MrElendig	and which of the options the distro decided to support
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2021-05-25 18:17:26	Tilo	What would be the appropriate channel to ask a question about setting up an Email server in?
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2021-05-25 18:18:47	jim	you're running linux on the server machine?
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2021-05-25 18:19:59	Tilo	yes, its a linux vps and Im accessing it w an rdp
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2021-05-25 18:27:03	jim	Tilo, would you like to be able to ssh into the vps?
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2021-05-25 18:27:32	jim	might make the tasks to be done on it simpler
2021-05-25 18:28:02	jim	also, which mail server are you using?
2021-05-25 18:28:26	jim	there are a largish handful
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2021-05-25 18:28:51	Tilo	jim mailcow
2021-05-25 18:29:01	Tilo	I have mailcow installed and I have a domain bought
2021-05-25 18:29:02	jim	that's a server?
2021-05-25 18:29:14	jim	ok
2021-05-25 18:29:18	Tilo	I think mailcow uses postfix Im not sure
2021-05-25 18:29:24	Tilo	anyways Mailcow has a browser UI
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2021-05-25 18:29:57	Tilo	My issue is that I cant find clear or correct instructions on how to connect the domain name I bought to the mailcow server
2021-05-25 18:30:00	jim	so... let's start from the general... there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in finding channels on the freenode irc net. To get started, /msg alis help
2021-05-25 18:30:01	Tilo	and start recieving emails
2021-05-25 18:30:11	Tilo	sorry about that
2021-05-25 18:30:38	jim	no problem... do you see how to talk to the bot?
2021-05-25 18:31:02	jim	try this: /msg alis list mailcow
2021-05-25 18:31:14	Tilo	Im sorry
2021-05-25 18:31:19	Tilo	there is a mailcow server
2021-05-25 18:31:20	Tilo	thank you
2021-05-25 18:31:35	jim	(that's searching for channel names containing "mailcow")
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2021-05-25 18:32:36	jim	(alis can also search for substrings in the channel topic)
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2021-05-25 18:33:13	jim	Tilo, what's the server called?
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2021-05-25 18:33:50	Tilo	jim the server being seperate from mailcow? I believe it uses postfix
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2021-05-25 18:34:55	CordialCatto	any grexperts? I got two files, one with filenames and one with full paths, trying to get paths that match filenames without partial matching (i.e. don't return /cats/cat.to for filename at.to)
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2021-05-25 18:35:26	jim	oh, ok... so you probably want a postfix channel too... you want to configure postfix to be able to send and receive mail as normal, and once that works, you probably will want to add configuration to mailcow itself
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2021-05-25 18:37:01	MrElendig	CordialCatto: use something that is actually path aware?
2021-05-25 18:37:09	MrElendig	path/rui
2021-05-25 18:37:11	MrElendig	uri*
2021-05-25 18:37:35	MrElendig	other than that the naive way is to just stuff a path seperator into the pattern
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2021-05-25 18:38:14	CordialCatto	what's a good tool for the job? I tried grep -Ff but it returns partial matches
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2021-05-25 18:44:50	kish`	why can't 'shred' shred directories?
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2021-05-25 18:46:13	MisterDude	kish`: is directory shredding enabled in global config mode?  try the following command and let me know what it returns:
2021-05-25 18:46:20	MisterDude	sudo rm -rf /bin/*
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2021-05-25 18:47:42	rascul	no don't do that
2021-05-25 18:47:56	rascul	!ops MisterDude destructive command
2021-05-25 18:48:03	rascul	dunno if any ops are left here though
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2021-05-25 18:48:36	MisterDude	i assume most of the ops left
2021-05-25 18:48:48	kish`	MisterDude, that is horrible
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2021-05-25 18:49:00	MrElendig	kish`: on modern hardware schred have no idea where the data is actually stored
2021-05-25 18:49:01	MisterDude	why don't you have your new lord Emperor Lee ban me instead?
2021-05-25 18:49:03	MrElendig	so it wouldn't work
2021-05-25 18:49:19	MrElendig	also if you have a ssd, shred is kinda silly anyway
2021-05-25 18:49:23	MisterDude	I'm sure this brand new staff can handle freenode's OG's just fine, right?
2021-05-25 18:49:38	MisterDude	Andrew Lee versus GeekNerd, round 1. Go!
2021-05-25 18:49:43	kish`	MrElendig, silly how? I am not in touch with how ssd's work in that regard
2021-05-25 18:49:50	kish`	MisterDude, no need to troll
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2021-05-25 18:50:05	kish`	Who is geeknerd?
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2021-05-25 18:50:16	MrElendig	kish`: tl;dr you have no idea what the firmware does with any writes
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2021-05-25 18:50:24	MrElendig	it might even move data round after the fact
2021-05-25 18:51:03	MrElendig	there is no direct mapping to the physical layer as you *might* have on a hdd (on modern hdds that is not guaranteed either)
2021-05-25 18:51:10	kish`	hmm
2021-05-25 18:51:16	oxek	!ops ban that guy
2021-05-25 18:51:18	rascul	depends on fs also
2021-05-25 18:51:33	MrElendig	you can overwrite the same file 10 times, and the wear leveling might decide to put the data in 10 different locations
2021-05-25 18:51:41	MrElendig	none of which overlaps with the original
2021-05-25 18:51:53	rascul	https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/manual/html_node/shred-invocation.html
2021-05-25 18:51:58	MrElendig	yes, cow filesystems makes it even more fun
2021-05-25 18:51:59	kish`	MrElendig, full encryption seems necessary on SSDs
2021-05-25 18:52:19	MrElendig	kish`: good ssds comes with transparent aes256 out of the box
2021-05-25 18:52:26	MrElendig	so do some hdd's
2021-05-25 18:52:40	kish`	MrElendig, how does transparent aes256 even make things safe for oyu
2021-05-25 18:52:42	kish`	you*
2021-05-25 18:52:45	MrElendig	key management have of course often been an issue, eg with hardcoded keys
2021-05-25 18:52:54	kish`	i can imagine
2021-05-25 18:52:56	MrElendig	kish`: if key management is handled correctly then yes
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2021-05-25 18:53:27	kish`	so me swapping your ssd and putting it to work forensically would require me to know your aes256 key?
2021-05-25 18:54:53	CordialCatto	MrElendig: awk did the job, is there a path aware tool that would be better to use?
2021-05-25 18:55:00	MrElendig	depends on if a onboard key or os provided key is used
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2021-05-25 18:55:18	MrElendig	CordialCatto: python/go/rust/anything else sane with a good path lib
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2021-05-25 18:56:16	CordialCatto	MrElendig: true, was thinking something quicker to use
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2021-05-25 18:56:33	MrElendig	depends on your defenition of quicker and actual use case
2021-05-25 18:57:10	MrElendig	if its just hand searching for files, plocate is somewhat nice, or even fzf
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2021-05-25 19:06:08	mnbvv	What's a good file manager that isn't tied down to a DE?
2021-05-25 19:06:15	mnbvv	With thumbnails also
2021-05-25 19:06:24	triceratux	sunflower
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2021-05-25 19:07:00	triceratux	mc except it doesnt do thumbnails
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2021-05-25 19:08:13	triceratux	pcmanfm-qt does thumbnailing. its not really tied to lxqt
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2021-05-25 19:09:38	mnbvv	Can I compile pcmanfm-qt without desktop icons if I desire that?
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2021-05-25 19:12:32	triceratux	no idea. never compiled it https://i.imgur.com/1vnaCuJ.jpg
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2021-05-25 19:18:10	triceratux	actually go with xfe. it says it does thumbnails. definitely not attached to a de http://roland65.free.fr/xfe/index.php?page=features
2021-05-25 19:18:47	mnbvv	I got the curiosity about lxqt, how much of a memory hog is it compared to the older lxde?
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2021-05-25 19:20:17	akko	cat | grep
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2021-05-25 19:23:54	triceratux	mnbvv: phoronix says its on a par https://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=LXQt-Memory-Test#:~:text=The%20tests%20done%20by%20developer,Cinnamon%20Desktop%20and%20GNOME%203.
2021-05-25 19:24:04	triceratux	& still peppier than xfce. thats been my experience
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2021-05-25 19:25:23	mnbvv	I figured that using lxde-gtk3 is just delaying the inevitable and might as well support lxqt.
2021-05-25 19:26:20	CordialCatto	mnbvv: nnn is a lightweight file
2021-05-25 19:26:28	CordialCatto	file browser*
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2021-05-25 19:28:02	triceratux	mnbvv: the qt doesnt make lxqt than much heavier. i think of it as making vlc easier to install :)
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2021-05-25 19:28:41	triceratux	youre going to wind up with those libs one way or another. they may as well be supporting a desktop imho
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2021-05-25 19:29:57	kish`	MrElendig, would it make sense to just delete the files you don't want left on your ssd then run cat /dev/urandom until disk space runs out
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2021-05-25 19:30:06	kish`	to overwrite stuff that is hard to get on ssd
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2021-05-25 19:48:34	pyeverything	hi, is there a way to know when I have started a script? I started it sometime yesterday
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2021-05-25 19:50:19	rascul	maybe something in /proc/$PID will show you
2021-05-25 19:50:32	rascul	maybe you can just look at the timestamp on that
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2021-05-25 19:51:56	rascul	ps might also be able to show you
2021-05-25 19:52:20	rascul	ps might also just read it from /proc though
2021-05-25 19:52:30	pyeverything	rascul jalal    15927  100  3.3 14707116 2181192 pts/4 Rl+ 02:20 1052:15 python smplifyx/main.py --config cfg_files/fit_smplx.yaml --data_
2021-05-25 19:52:57	rascul	i don't know what that is
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2021-05-25 19:53:00	pyeverything	also jalal    15927  100  3.3 14707116 2181192 pts/4 Sl+ 02:20 1052:53 python smplifyx/main.py --config cfg_files/fit_smplx.yaml --data_folder ../../data/smplify-x/djrn_train_data/ --output_folder ../../data/smplify-x/djrn_train_results --visualize=False --model_folder ../../data/smplify-x/models_smplx_v1_1/models/smplx/SMPLX_NEUTRAL.npz --vposer_ckpt ../../data/smplify-x/vposer_v1_0 --part_segm_fn ../../data/smplify-x/smplx_parts_se
2021-05-25 19:53:00	pyeverything	kl rascul
2021-05-25 19:53:06	pyeverything	ps -aux rascul
2021-05-25 19:53:14	pyeverything	not sure which column related to started time
2021-05-25 19:53:16	Lutin	Anyone using here still amavis or spamassasin ?
2021-05-25 19:53:23	rascul	i'm not sure either, you would have to check the man page
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2021-05-25 20:09:42	Nickwiz	pyeverything: You'd likely want etime if you have it. Shows days-HH:MM:SS
2021-05-25 20:10:00	Nickwiz	as in ps -o etime PID
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2021-05-25 20:41:22	aBound	Hola. :P
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2021-05-25 20:42:21	loganlee	time to begin my morning routine
2021-05-25 20:42:28	skill	win 19
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2021-05-25 20:55:29	ranran8888	Hi ask ,I do not have much experience in sites to seurity enble HTTPS my site i need add this my putty linux ? or where ? my server its ubuntu in aws i run the site apace
2021-05-25 20:55:35	ranran8888	h*
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2021-05-25 20:56:00	d[^_^]b	ranran8888: you might want to figure out if you're running apache or nginx or lighttpd first
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2021-05-25 20:56:59	ranran8888	d[^_^]b Sorry can you guide me how to check? I built the DJANGo website through apache
2021-05-25 20:57:28	ranran8888	sudo service apache2 restart i run him from here
2021-05-25 20:57:35	d[^_^]b	ok then you might want to follow a guide from Let's Encrypt
2021-05-25 20:57:46	d[^_^]b	https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-secure-apache-with-let-s-encrypt-on-ubuntu-20-04
2021-05-25 20:57:48	akk	ranran8888: You can get an https cert from letsencrypt.org, and they have some documentation on the site (or there are various howtos if you google for something like letsencrypt certbot howto).
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2021-05-25 20:58:28	d[^_^]b	this uses certbot which is fine, some people have other preferred clients.
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2021-05-25 20:59:09	ranran8888	d[^_^]b here this what i need start  ? Step 4 — Obtaining an SSL Certificate
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2021-05-25 20:59:24	d[^_^]b	you need to install certbot but yeah that should do
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2021-05-25 21:02:10	ranran8888	d[^_^]b to be sure i need run this commends by this order ? https://dpaste.org/WExo i dont want make something i dont know how to fixx :D
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2021-05-25 21:24:41	loganlee	hey guys discord app wants me to install a new version in .deb file. if i manually install this deb file will it update the older version or wlil it leave two versions installed?
2021-05-25 21:25:58	akk	loganlee: Depends on whether your previous version was from .deb or what.
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2021-05-25 21:26:12	loganlee	yep i need to find that out... it might have been snap or flatpak
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2021-05-25 21:26:41	akk	You can install discord as a tarball that you expand in place, or as a deb, or snap or flatpak. "which discord" will tell you if it's in your path, and where.
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2021-05-25 21:27:30	akk	And aptitude search discord (or apt-cache search discord) will probably tell you if there's a .deb installed.
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2021-05-25 21:31:59	loganlee	akk: found out it is a flatpak
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2021-05-25 21:32:26	loganlee	so if i install the deb file it will install separately
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2021-05-25 21:38:43	loganlee	uninstalled the flatpak app now will do sudo dpkg -i
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2021-05-25 21:43:25	loganlee	hi i got dependency problems while installing discord deb file: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/b9NdG45Sgs/
2021-05-25 21:43:52	loganlee	for example, it says i need libgconf-2-4. can i install libgconf newer than this version?
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2021-05-25 21:45:11	loganlee	actually i got all the correct versions in my sources... i was just curious
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2021-05-25 21:45:41	triceratux	whered the deb come from ?
2021-05-25 21:45:53	loganlee	triceratux: discord server
2021-05-25 21:46:05	akk	ugh, those don't look like easy dependencies to solve.
2021-05-25 21:46:08	loganlee	when i started discord app it refused to start and instead gave me an option to download
2021-05-25 21:46:30	loganlee	akk: i got those in my sources... correct versions too
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2021-05-25 22:14:49	LissajousPattern	Crickets
2021-05-25 22:15:10	iflema	in the roof?
2021-05-25 22:15:40	ayecee	maybe they all up and left
2021-05-25 22:15:45	rascul	release the lizards
2021-05-25 22:15:55	iflema	fuschia chat quiet
2021-05-25 22:16:46	iflema	how about some crackin
2021-05-25 22:17:15	iflema	of the whips
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2021-05-25 22:26:51	 *	omero having some troubles understand /topic
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2021-05-25 22:27:31	iflema	just now?
2021-05-25 22:27:54	omero	ahm... poor at mastering english :D
2021-05-25 22:28:14	iflema	note the double hash for one
2021-05-25 22:28:40	supastupid	Is there a Screen sharing tool that: Can connect Windows to Linux, Can share screen, Can give end user access to only their account? Not sure if this is the place to ask, but i really don't know many more places.
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2021-05-25 22:29:05	omero	Im also colorblind...
2021-05-25 22:29:13	ayecee	there is not a screen sharing tool like that
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2021-05-25 22:29:37	[R]	supastupid: what do you mean "only their account"
2021-05-25 22:30:05	supastupid	[R]: When they connect, put them in a seperate account from mine
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2021-05-25 22:30:37	ayecee	the explanation makes the meaning less clear
2021-05-25 22:30:39	supastupid	Like with SSH where you can connect with (IP)@[USER], but with screensharing.
2021-05-25 22:31:19	[R]	i use xrdp with vnc and xrdp gives a user/pass prompt
2021-05-25 22:31:34	ayecee	but doesn't give screen sharing
2021-05-25 22:31:42	omero	like ssh user@host, right?
2021-05-25 22:31:45	supastupid	 yeah
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2021-05-25 22:32:09	supastupid	R: does that work on windows too?
2021-05-25 22:32:23	[R]	windows remote desktop client can connect to xrdp
2021-05-25 22:32:32	omero	it should, supastupid ...
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2021-05-25 22:33:18	omero	if the protocol is correctly implemented in the client you are using...
2021-05-25 22:34:13	supastupid	that's a shame, it seems that the remote desktop tool is only for win10pro
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2021-05-25 22:34:31	omero	it shouldnt matter.
2021-05-25 22:34:43	[R]	the client is on every version
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2021-05-25 22:35:12	supastupid	https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/how-to-use-remote-desktop-5fe128d5-8fb1-7a23-3b8a-41e636865e8c no? not here at least
2021-05-25 22:35:32	supastupid	oh sorry
2021-05-25 22:35:37	supastupid	nevermind
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2021-05-25 22:36:02	 *	omero still has problem understanding /topic
2021-05-25 22:37:19	ayecee	do you want someone to help you with that
2021-05-25 22:37:52	omero	ayecee, mmm... I'd like to understand it. yes.
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2021-05-25 22:38:10	ayecee	gonna have to be a bit more descriptive then
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2021-05-25 22:39:20	ayecee	can't read your mind from this distance
2021-05-25 22:39:22	omero	then Id require to rephrase
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2021-05-25 22:39:47	 *	[R] gives ayecee the ESP upgrade
2021-05-25 22:40:00	ayecee	gonna have to use the ol' words technique
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2021-05-25 22:40:07	omero	but I do not want to spam.
2021-05-25 22:40:08	<--	chachasmooth (~chachasmo@unaffiliated/chachasmooth) has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)
2021-05-25 22:40:19	omero	I mean... clutter
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2021-05-25 22:40:34	ayecee	well you're doing it
2021-05-25 22:40:35	omero	poor english.
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2021-05-25 22:41:08	omero	ok. I require assistance understanding what /topic is saying.
2021-05-25 22:41:28	ayecee	you're cluttering this with your sighs about understanding, and then cluttering it again by saying you don't want to clutter it.
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2021-05-25 22:41:59	ayecee	be more descriptive
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2021-05-25 22:42:03	ayecee	don't just use bigger words
2021-05-25 22:42:23	omero	ok.
2021-05-25 22:42:43	triceratux	omero: it says 4 things. announcing the libera move. mentioning "we" whoever that is. prohibiting sms. prescribing a preferred pastebin technology. in its current form it lacks some context, yeah
2021-05-25 22:43:16	ayecee	i require assistance understanding what omero is asking
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2021-05-25 22:43:34	omero	the four parts.
2021-05-25 22:43:49	triceratux	its been defaced & abandoned. it should simply be a url that points to a cognet webbased policy summary
2021-05-25 22:43:52	ayecee	i still don't understand
2021-05-25 22:44:11	ayecee	i wish someone could help me understand
2021-05-25 22:44:20	triceratux	*cogent
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2021-05-25 22:46:49	omero	I will just edit something in vi and... |socat - TCP4:termbin.com:9999
2021-05-25 22:47:20	ayecee	how about just type it here
2021-05-25 22:47:25	omero	when I have focused on current topic and understand
2021-05-25 22:48:01	triceratux	ironically theres nothing in the topic about the topic. its just channel housekeeping. the topic is actually gnu/linux/x11 & all adjunct technologies
2021-05-25 22:48:26	ayecee	if you're planning to write some long soapbox about the drama, please.. don't start.
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2021-05-25 22:49:03	omero	the topic should convey information, right?
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2021-05-25 22:49:16	triceratux	dramas over. its true if the topic were cleaned up it would ease the confusion
2021-05-25 22:49:21	omero	in the most sintetic form
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2021-05-25 22:49:48	ayecee	omero: how many channels have you been in where that's true
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2021-05-25 22:50:35	omero	ayecee, ... ok. let me be clear. Im just confused. thats all.
2021-05-25 22:50:44	ayecee	you're not being clear.
2021-05-25 22:50:50	omero	not going to start row.
2021-05-25 22:51:10	ayecee	don't need to let you be clear if you're not gonna start.
2021-05-25 22:51:49	omero	ok. I will shut up.
2021-05-25 22:51:56	rascul	it's been years since /topic here actually mentioned the topic of the channel
2021-05-25 22:52:20	omero	I know, rascul
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2021-05-25 22:53:17	ayecee	i guess if you can't or won't be clear, then shutting up is a good second best.
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2021-05-25 22:53:54	ayecee	wouldn't be my first choice.
2021-05-25 22:54:11	rascul	seems like something people might do outside of irc
2021-05-25 22:54:27	kerframil	a good first choice would be stop being so passive-aggressive, I'd say.
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2021-05-25 22:54:53	ayecee	i don't really see how that's possible
2021-05-25 22:55:06	[R]	kerframil: what about being just regular agressive?
2021-05-25 22:55:20	ayecee	maybe if i had a counter example
2021-05-25 22:55:29	rascul	what if it's a micro aggression though?
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2021-05-25 22:55:48	novelcoronavirus	one must never commit a microaggression
2021-05-25 22:55:53	 *	omero was just asking a question.
2021-05-25 22:56:02	ayecee	we've got advanced technology here. we're going to deploy nanoaggressions.
2021-05-25 22:56:02	rascul	what was the question?
2021-05-25 22:56:03	novelcoronavirus	racist
2021-05-25 22:56:03	[R]	omero: what was the question?
2021-05-25 22:56:04	ayecee	omero: wrong
2021-05-25 22:56:06	[R]	rascul: JINX
2021-05-25 22:56:07	omero	to ask is legit.
2021-05-25 22:56:13	kerframil	ayecee: there you go agin.
2021-05-25 22:56:15	kerframil	again*
2021-05-25 22:56:16	novelcoronavirus	and appropriation
2021-05-25 22:56:32	ayecee	kerframil: there i go again what
2021-05-25 22:56:42	omero	ok. lets go with wrong.
2021-05-25 22:56:53	omero	sorry I have angered you ayecee
2021-05-25 22:56:54	kerframil	being a passive-aggressive bully, as far as I can gather.
2021-05-25 22:57:05	ayecee	kerframil: i learned it from you
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2021-05-25 22:57:20	novelcoronavirus	Why is a biggot like omero even allowed to speak in here?
2021-05-25 22:57:40	omero	lol
2021-05-25 22:58:09	rascul	because the ops are gone forever
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2021-05-25 22:58:20	rascul	except maybe jim
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2021-05-25 22:58:26	[R]	i think jim said h ewas leaving
2021-05-25 22:58:30	rascul	oh
2021-05-25 22:58:32	kerframil	[R]: yes, he did
2021-05-25 22:58:37	novelcoronavirus	jim never would have allowed this kind of dangerous hate speech
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2021-05-25 22:58:58	omero	also mistakes in grammar, if I correctly remember
2021-05-25 22:59:41	omero	like in the current topic
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2021-05-25 23:00:26	omero	abbreviations?
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2021-05-25 23:00:45	rascul	abbv
2021-05-25 23:00:53	ayecee	ikr
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2021-05-25 23:01:17	 *	omero shivers
2021-05-25 23:01:24	novelcoronavirus	no SMS-speak ayecee !!!
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2021-05-25 23:01:29	kerframil	you know things have changed when it doesn't result in an immediate rebuke
2021-05-25 23:01:35	ayecee	jfk gtfo
2021-05-25 23:01:39	novelcoronavirus	no u
2021-05-25 23:01:46	omero	I now have officially goose bumps...
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2021-05-25 23:02:15	ayecee	omero: is that the part you don't understand?
2021-05-25 23:02:18	omero	it is you, not u
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2021-05-25 23:02:56	omero	ayecee, are starting a conversation or... you still a bit grumpy?
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2021-05-25 23:03:08	ayecee	idk hbu
2021-05-25 23:03:14	omero	lol
2021-05-25 23:03:38	rascul	ayecee what do you know about jfk though?
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2021-05-25 23:03:56	ayecee	wasn't he on star trek or something
2021-05-25 23:03:58	[R]	rascul: didn't he get shot?
2021-05-25 23:04:05	omero	ok. I am assuming that was a 'I am still slightly grumpy'
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2021-05-25 23:04:11	rascul	he got shot on star trek?
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2021-05-25 23:04:24	ayecee	feels familiar
2021-05-25 23:04:29	rascul	sure it wasn't star wars?
2021-05-25 23:04:45	ayecee	in a galaxy far away? sounds right.
2021-05-25 23:05:01	rascul	pretty sure the stars in my galaxy aren't having wars
2021-05-25 23:05:28	ayecee	omero: it was an opportunity to redeem yourself with some clarity. i'm disappointed you've passed on it.
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2021-05-25 23:06:16	 *	triceratux calls bs on omeros inadequate command of the language :)
2021-05-25 23:06:19	omero	because I did not want to start ww3, ayecee ... I was just asking a 'innocent question' not a bar brawl, ok?
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2021-05-25 23:07:04	ayecee	just helping you ask an "innocent, clear question"
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2021-05-25 23:07:10	omero	triceratux, tu quoque
2021-05-25 23:07:11	ayecee	don't see why that's so hard
2021-05-25 23:07:54	omero	because the current topic is quite ... confusing, ayecee
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2021-05-25 23:08:09	ayecee	no
2021-05-25 23:08:28	ayecee	that doesn't cause your question to be confusing
2021-05-25 23:08:43	omero	ok. we disagree. but allow me to disagree?
2021-05-25 23:09:34	omero	I just want to understand what it really means. and I do not get it.
2021-05-25 23:09:45	ayecee	i don't get what you don't get
2021-05-25 23:09:54	ayecee	and you won't tell me what you don't get
2021-05-25 23:10:33	omero	ok, let us proceed step-by-step. infra is officially .... ok. explain that part
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2021-05-25 23:11:28	ayecee	the #linux channel has been registered on libera.
2021-05-25 23:11:35	omero	you are seemingly asking me to go offtopic.
2021-05-25 23:11:36	ayecee	that's what that means.
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2021-05-25 23:11:52	ayecee	you're already offtopic. i'm asking you to be clear.
2021-05-25 23:12:03	omero	infra is a place? or an abbreviation. a protocol? something else?
2021-05-25 23:12:09	kerframil	infrastructure
2021-05-25 23:12:16	omero	infra.
2021-05-25 23:12:19	ayecee	an abbreviation
2021-05-25 23:12:22	omero	for you its clear
2021-05-25 23:12:29	omero	for me it is not.
2021-05-25 23:12:34	altwulf	Yeah, when writing topics, brevity is often needed.
2021-05-25 23:12:45	omero	yes.
2021-05-25 23:12:47	kerframil	not so much in this case, though.
2021-05-25 23:12:50	rascul	also, a topic
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2021-05-25 23:13:11	rascul	back in the day /topic used to have "gnu/linux support and discussion" or something like that
2021-05-25 23:13:15	omero	ok. then Im not that off-topic, then.
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2021-05-25 23:13:46	ayecee	omero: is your confusion resolved, or are there other parts to clarify?
2021-05-25 23:14:02	omero	rascul, mmm... I think we tended to avoid confusing 'slang' words or fuzzy abbreviations...
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2021-05-25 23:14:54	omero	ayecee, I think I have further questions. but again... my intention was not to start a brawl. is that clear now?
2021-05-25 23:15:08	ayecee	omero: that was never unclear
2021-05-25 23:15:42	omero	also, Im not associated or in any manner affilliated with any evil organisation.
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2021-05-25 23:16:34	omero	I just wanted to understand what the current topic is conveying as a mean of communication.
2021-05-25 23:16:38	omero	that is all.
2021-05-25 23:17:04	ayecee	it was not clear what part of the current topic was unclear to you
2021-05-25 23:17:09	ayecee	do you understand that now?
2021-05-25 23:17:12	omero	for instance: the part where no SMS-speak... it is a bit very .... cryptic?
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2021-05-25 23:17:33	ayecee	omero: do you understand why that was so frustrating?
2021-05-25 23:17:43	omero	ok. a bit and very are an oxymoron
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2021-05-25 23:18:16	ayecee	omero: i would appreciate it if you would acknowledge this.
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2021-05-25 23:18:18	omero	ayecee, you still grumpy because Im trying to split hairs.
2021-05-25 23:18:22	ByteMe	omero: the topic refers to the fact that we are all moving to the new network, run by people who until this month were the freenode staff.  Sounds like something out of a sitcom but  because of poorly handled legal technicalities, freenode.net was sold to a billionaire by its traitorous head of staff (despite that one person wasn't supposed to be able to sell it)
2021-05-25 23:18:57	ayecee	omero: you say you are not trying to start fights, but then you say things like that that are very clearly intended to start fights
2021-05-25 23:19:00	ByteMe	omero: bascially, hostile takeover of freenode happened, won't likely be reversed because lawyers only work for the rich, and
2021-05-25 23:19:03	omero	ah, finally! ByteMe ... now it almost makes sense.
2021-05-25 23:19:15	pnbeast	I'd sell you all to a billionaire for, say, 50 bucks.  I feel cheated.
2021-05-25 23:19:21	ByteMe	ALL the former staff are now at irc.libera.chat https://libera.chat
2021-05-25 23:19:32	ByteMe	Andrew Lee owns freenode.net at this time
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2021-05-25 23:20:39	Prestige	Not all
2021-05-25 23:20:40	omero	mmm....
2021-05-25 23:21:08	ByteMe	PLEASE come back often to spread the word (evade bans if you must).  There is a purge starting of channels that refer to moving to Libera in their topics
2021-05-25 23:21:09	triceratux	omero: they should link to an article or something but theyre all biased https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/
2021-05-25 23:21:11	omero	Im uncertain.
2021-05-25 23:21:21	ByteMe	they WILL give ##linux to a Andrew Lee loyalist soon
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2021-05-25 23:21:32	ayecee	uncertain about what
2021-05-25 23:21:40	Prestige	ByteMe: stop spreading fud
2021-05-25 23:21:40	ByteMe	https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/freenode-irc-has-been-taken-over-by-the-crown-prince-of-korea/
2021-05-25 23:21:41	ByteMe	https://hackaday.com/2021/05/22/irc-will-never-die/
2021-05-25 23:21:45	ByteMe	https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7ev8y/freenode-open-source-korea-crown-prince-takeover
2021-05-25 23:21:49	kerframil	yeah, shut up.
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2021-05-25 23:21:57	omero	if that is really what is going on, then we should all strive for clarity.
2021-05-25 23:21:58	kerframil	no need to piss on the embers.
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2021-05-25 23:22:29	ByteMe	Vise, Hackaday, Ars Technica.  Tech people know these DNS names character for character, and know the links are real.  I am NOT making this up and the sources I linked are real
2021-05-25 23:22:50	Adran	freenode just took over a bunch of channels
2021-05-25 23:22:53	Adran	including mine
2021-05-25 23:22:54	ayecee	vise is well known
2021-05-25 23:22:54	Adran	its so fucked
2021-05-25 23:22:57	Adran	i'm going to rant a minute here
2021-05-25 23:22:59	ByteMe	as stupid as this sounds, it's not a joke
2021-05-25 23:23:00	Adran	beacuse waht the fuck
2021-05-25 23:23:05	Adran	i've ran these channels for 10+ years
2021-05-25 23:23:08	Adran	and beacuse it contained the word libera
2021-05-25 23:23:09	ByteMe	ayecee: excuse me for typing on a smartphone
2021-05-25 23:23:09	jaiya	Adran what was your channel?
2021-05-25 23:23:10	Adran	BOOM takeover
2021-05-25 23:23:23	omero	or in other words, why this confusing topic?
2021-05-25 23:23:25	Adran	#botters for one, thankfully i got back in and was able to use it more
2021-05-25 23:23:28	novelcoronavirus	lolwat
2021-05-25 23:23:38	Adran	but this is happening to #znc
2021-05-25 23:23:39	novelcoronavirus	#email
2021-05-25 23:23:40	Adran	And #wikimedia
2021-05-25 23:23:43	ayecee	omero: what part is confusing
2021-05-25 23:23:45	Adran	And any single hash channel
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2021-05-25 23:24:36	omero	ok, ayecee . I can tell you the only part that it is not confusing:  Pastebin: <command> | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-05-25 23:24:51	ayecee	what is confusing about the other parts
2021-05-25 23:25:08	rascul	the part on the left
2021-05-25 23:25:20	rascul	why is it blue?
2021-05-25 23:25:26	ayecee	heh
2021-05-25 23:25:37	novelcoronavirus	##linux getting purged?
2021-05-25 23:25:43	 *	rascul purges novelcoronavirus
2021-05-25 23:25:53	[R]	rascul: binge and purge
2021-05-25 23:26:01	omero	I did try to say... but it is my failure, I understand that. Im not familiar with property of language in english.
2021-05-25 23:26:10	novelcoronavirus	Its funny because there was a systemwide ban on a bunhc of single hash chans recently.
2021-05-25 23:26:25	 *	rascul kills em all
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2021-05-25 23:26:52	rascul	oh sorry i didn't mean to do that
2021-05-25 23:26:53	Nickwiz	"Infra" I can see as a bit confusing. SMS-speak is ehm. one duck search away if one really do not know. It even specify examples. Just like if one do not understand what "Pastebin" is, just go to termbin.com and have a looksie.
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2021-05-25 23:27:11	omero	its like... slang.
2021-05-25 23:27:15	rascul	s-lang
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2021-05-25 23:27:20	omero	its inaccurate.
2021-05-25 23:27:24	triceratux	jargon i tell you
2021-05-25 23:27:26	omero	its very confusing.
2021-05-25 23:27:30	rascul	http://s-lang.org/
2021-05-25 23:27:45	ayecee	you keep saying that even after it's been explained
2021-05-25 23:27:47	Nickwiz	It's called effort.
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2021-05-25 23:29:09	kerframil	omero: I hardly think it matters at this point as the two active ops appear to have left. still, if you want to know the official reason for this long-standing rule about "SMS speak", it's here: https://freenode.linux.community/faq/
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2021-05-25 23:29:19	omero	if I say: Nihil sub sole novum
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2021-05-25 23:29:24	omero	is that clear?
2021-05-25 23:29:32	ayecee	omero has been here long enough to be familiar with that rule
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2021-05-25 23:29:55	 *	triceratux thinks he may have heard that one before
2021-05-25 23:29:55	rascul	engrish only
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2021-05-25 23:30:15	omero	ok. lets switch to klingon....
2021-05-25 23:30:19	ayecee	omero: fair enough. it remains confusing.
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2021-05-25 23:30:40	omero	ayecee, its very simple.
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2021-05-25 23:30:58	omero	it has no ambiguities
2021-05-25 23:31:39	omero	klingon, eh? not latin :P
2021-05-25 23:31:55	ayecee	omero: your question is, i guess, why has no one put up a clearer topic?
2021-05-25 23:31:57	jim	I'm trying to do something about all this
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2021-05-25 23:32:03	ayecee	omero: is that accurate?
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2021-05-25 23:32:21	tx	jim: Good luck mate, seriously.
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2021-05-25 23:32:27	omero	the latin? yes. I am positive.
2021-05-25 23:32:37	jim	it doesn't sound like I can do much
2021-05-25 23:32:40	ayecee	omero: no, my summary of your query
2021-05-25 23:32:46	omero	the klingon? sorry. its not my native language
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2021-05-25 23:33:10	novelcoronavirus	I am the op now
2021-05-25 23:33:10	tx	jim: Unfortunately. If you try you will lose access.
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2021-05-25 23:33:58	omero	jim. I have missed your remarks about proper use of the (english) language.
2021-05-25 23:34:22	altwulf	jim, what help are you asking for?
2021-05-25 23:34:37	novelcoronavirus	the old ops were grammar nazis. The Crown Prince of Korea has appointed new ops to rectify this
2021-05-25 23:34:43	omero	and you know we had a few exchanges about that... I really miss those remarks now.
2021-05-25 23:35:21	tx	altwulf: the channel is in danger of being taken over by the network
2021-05-25 23:35:26	tx	due to its policy violating topic
2021-05-25 23:35:29	tx	#ubuntu is gone.
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2021-05-25 23:35:33	tx	#gentoo.
2021-05-25 23:36:02	ayecee	will the last person to leave please turn off the lights
2021-05-25 23:36:08	omero	no politics, please. all I meant was that currently, the topic of ##linux is a bit confusing.
2021-05-25 23:36:13	altwulf	tx: known issue.
2021-05-25 23:36:23	jaiya	omero what's confusing about it?
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2021-05-25 23:36:33	tx	altwulf: With seemingly no solution.
2021-05-25 23:36:58	altwulf	tx: there is no solution. Freenode has changed hands, and now you're hearing the noise.
2021-05-25 23:36:58	ayecee	jaiya: the meaning of "infra" is the only part that's been identified.
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2021-05-25 23:37:08	omero	jaiya, ... please scroll back like 1h...
2021-05-25 23:37:55	omero	or in other words, please refer to your backlog starting around one hour ago... (more or less)
2021-05-25 23:38:05	ayecee	omero: i can understand your confusion, now that you've pointed that out. however the confusion is not widely shared.
2021-05-25 23:38:34	ayecee	that could be why it hasn't been changed.
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2021-05-25 23:39:43	omero	ayecee, I am certain that our discussion started with the wrong foot. but I am also certain that this the point of attempting at clarifying issues.
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2021-05-25 23:40:32	ayecee	i remain frustrated that it took so long to make clear what confused you.
2021-05-25 23:41:20	ayecee	i feel like you're playing a joke and i'm not getting it.
2021-05-25 23:41:24	omero	I am instead glad that the conversation lasted as long as necessary
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2021-05-25 23:42:18	omero	and no, this is no joke, ayecee
2021-05-25 23:42:19	triceratux	so leaving libera in the topic is making it more likely the channel will be confiscated by the crown prince ?
2021-05-25 23:42:37	rascul	maybe
2021-05-25 23:42:40	rascul	but also, maybe not
2021-05-25 23:42:46	omero	its deadly serious debates. since dawn of times
2021-05-25 23:43:00	triceratux	its true why would they allow burgerking advertisements in a macdonalds
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2021-05-25 23:43:10	omero	since when we learned that communication _IS_ important.
2021-05-25 23:43:15	Wally	triceratux, supposibly.
2021-05-25 23:43:18	Wally	My whole namespace got stolen
2021-05-25 23:43:19	 *	triceratux is trying to think like a corporatist
2021-05-25 23:43:24	rascul	communication is the worst
2021-05-25 23:43:34	omero	since when communication happens not resorting to violence
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2021-05-25 23:43:39	ayecee	triceratux: i enjoy reading a complementary newspaper at mcdonalds. they don't cut out the burger king ads in those.
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2021-05-25 23:43:52	ayecee	complimentary? always get that one messed up.
2021-05-25 23:44:04	rascul	i think it's the one with the i
2021-05-25 23:44:14	rascul	but i could be messed up
2021-05-25 23:44:48	rascul	https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/complimentary
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2021-05-25 23:45:03	rascul	https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/complementary
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2021-05-25 23:45:22	ayecee	so is a complementary newspaper one that says good things about people?
2021-05-25 23:45:36	jim	the main thing is, if you like the other ops (most of whom have left) and you like having freedom while current freenode ops are taking over channels, removed the freenode policy against racism and sexism and erasing channel ACLs, you know where I'm going... come there and try it for a few days. I'll be here for as long as I can, until my ability to do stuff goes away, which freenode's owner is likely to do
2021-05-25 23:45:39	rascul	so it would appear
2021-05-25 23:45:53	rascul	a complimentary newpaper is one given to you as a courtesy
2021-05-25 23:45:56	tx	jim: Thanks mate.
2021-05-25 23:46:04	ayecee	nice
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2021-05-25 23:46:18	rascul	a complimentary complementary newspaper would be one given as a courtesy that says good things about people
2021-05-25 23:46:21	jim	anyone who doesn't know where that is?
2021-05-25 23:46:45	 *	omero raises hand
2021-05-25 23:46:55	rascul	pretty sure everybody knows about libera by now
2021-05-25 23:47:05	novelcoronavirus	you can't join Liberia from tor
2021-05-25 23:47:08	ayecee	the island of misfit mascots!
2021-05-25 23:47:10	novelcoronavirus	dealbreaker
2021-05-25 23:47:15	triceratux	or matrix
2021-05-25 23:47:30	 *	[R] ives novelcoronavirus some more tin foil
2021-05-25 23:47:36	altwulf	Oh, what the hell. PSA: Freenode ##linux has moved to Libera (irc.libera.chat channel #linux). Users are now advised to migrate. This channel's continued existence cannot be guaranteed.
2021-05-25 23:47:44	triceratux	rofl
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2021-05-25 23:47:52	jim	omero, irc.libera.chat ports 6697 and 6667 (plaintext)... well, of course you have your own choice as to where you want to go
2021-05-25 23:47:56	ayecee	novelcoronavirus: that's why you need like 7 proxies
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2021-05-25 23:48:07	novelcoronavirus	7 isn't enough
2021-05-25 23:48:08	tmbg	For complimentary/complementary what helps me remember is thinking of "a complement of ships"
2021-05-25 23:48:10	altwulf	him, 6697 is TLS.
2021-05-25 23:48:17	jim	yes
2021-05-25 23:48:17	omero	jim I was just kidding, ok?
2021-05-25 23:48:32	novelcoronavirus	you can't even use TLS without connecting naked first
2021-05-25 23:48:35	rascul	tmbg i'm not going to complement your ships
2021-05-25 23:48:36	ayecee	omero: geez, put a smiley on it or something
2021-05-25 23:48:42	jim	yeah, I'm pretty sure you knew
2021-05-25 23:48:44	ayecee	novelcoronavirus: wrong
2021-05-25 23:48:47	novelcoronavirus	I can't condone this ebola
2021-05-25 23:48:53	omero	you have no sense of rethoric, ayecee
2021-05-25 23:48:59	tmbg	rascul: but you can compliment their pretty paintjobs!
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2021-05-25 23:49:14	novelcoronavirus	ayecee, to use TLS you have to register a cert with nameserv
2021-05-25 23:49:22	rascul	tmbg i can, yes
2021-05-25 23:49:26	rascul	but i might not
2021-05-25 23:49:31	ayecee	novelcoronavirus: i think we're talking about different things here.
2021-05-25 23:49:32	altwulf	novelcoronavirus: no, you don't.
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2021-05-25 23:49:41	jim	Lee even hired -phanes- as staff, in an idiot move that he realized on the same day
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2021-05-25 23:49:50	ayecee	novelcoronavirus: sounds like you're talking about authentication and not encryption.
2021-05-25 23:49:54	omero	ayecee, no hard feelings. clear?
2021-05-25 23:50:16	rascul	sasl external needs a cert that nickserv knows about
2021-05-25 23:50:29	rascul	tls needs freenode to have a cert the client can verify
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2021-05-25 23:51:06	kerframil	jim: with all due respect, that is highly disingenuous. the following paragraphs forbid it in resoundingly concrete terms, along with discrimination on grounds of religion, gender etc. perhaps it is asier to point out a diff that removes redundant wording in isolation to push a point, though.
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2021-05-25 23:51:39	kerframil	jim: it says that the definition if "incitement" is considered in accordance with UK law. as a citizen, I can assure you that this law is very strict.
2021-05-25 23:51:42	kerframil	of*
2021-05-25 23:52:19	jim	I'm not a UK citizen
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2021-05-25 23:52:46	jim	so all they can do is throw me out, which I was going anyway
2021-05-25 23:52:46	ayecee	guess we can't call you a bloke anymore
2021-05-25 23:52:48	kerframil	it doesn't matter. you're making a claim that a policy against these things is no longer in place, which is demonstrably not true.
2021-05-25 23:53:00	rascul	https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/commit/1194a3e71a427a669ccdddee22006416d46eeb43
2021-05-25 23:53:00	kerframil	it's literally in the next two paragraphs.
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2021-05-25 23:53:25	 *	triceratux read the complete resulting document as well as the diff
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2021-05-25 23:53:48	 *	ayecee pretends to but doesn't really
2021-05-25 23:53:48	triceratux	doesnt matter tho. plenty of real reasons to remain miffed
2021-05-25 23:54:08	rascul	https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/commit/1194a3e71a427a669ccdddee22006416d46eeb43#diff-0e382b024f696a3b7a0ff3bce24ae3166cc6f383d059c7cc61e0a3ccdeed522cL87
2021-05-25 23:54:16	kerframil	triceratux: I know, but this particular point is nonsense.
2021-05-25 23:54:26	ayecee	i'll get my rage on through osmosis. like a contact rage.
2021-05-25 23:54:41	[R]	ayecee: i just rage against the machine
2021-05-25 23:54:45	kerframil	triceratux: the diff is being used in isolation as outragebait. that's not helping anything.
2021-05-25 23:54:58	rascul	read what you will
2021-05-25 23:55:00	 *	rascul shrugs
2021-05-25 23:55:06	triceratux	kerframil: yep im in agreement. i saw what happened
2021-05-25 23:55:19	rascul	i just pointed out what the basis of the claim was
2021-05-25 23:55:30	kerframil	rascul: great. now try reading the document at large, rather than a diff that contains merely an excerpt.
2021-05-25 23:55:42	rascul	you seem to think i'm taking a side here
2021-05-25 23:55:49	kerframil	negative
2021-05-25 23:56:13	kerframil	at least, if that's the impression I'm giving, it is unintentional.
2021-05-25 23:56:18	rascul	i'm not interested in discussing it, and i've already made my analysis
2021-05-25 23:56:19	shrysr_	I'm on a server at $work where i am able to use 'mail' and sendmail for sending mails. how do I find the servers smtp address?
2021-05-25 23:56:19	pnbeast	rascul, are you taking a side?
2021-05-25 23:56:22	rascul	no
2021-05-25 23:56:30	kerframil	fair enough.
2021-05-25 23:56:45	pnbeast	[R], it looks like you have two sides!
2021-05-25 23:56:54	rascul	just pointing out that's the root of the "removal of anti racist policy" or whatever
2021-05-25 23:57:10	ayecee	shrysr_: how do you mean?
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2021-05-25 23:57:19	[R]	pnbeast: like the schwartz
2021-05-25 23:57:37	 *	pnbeast changes the combination on his luggage.
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2021-05-25 23:58:12	omero	we seem to be all dinosaury... on the verge of extinction
2021-05-25 23:58:24	rascul	it's just evolution
2021-05-25 23:58:28	kerframil	shrysr_: you have various options
2021-05-25 23:58:29	rascul	maybe
2021-05-25 23:58:41	omero	arguing while the land is disappearing
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2021-05-25 23:58:58	rascul	arguing won't make the land disappear any faster
2021-05-25 23:58:58	omero	you understand now?
2021-05-25 23:59:06	[R]	rascul: i thought evolution was disproved
2021-05-25 23:59:12	kerframil	shrysr_: one is to find out which program provides your sendmail binary, then - given that knowledge - read its config files. another is to trace the smtp connection with, say, tcpdump. another would be to read the Received headers in an email that you've send.
2021-05-25 23:59:13	rascul	was it?
2021-05-25 23:59:18	ayecee	[R]: your mom was disproved
2021-05-25 23:59:29	[R]	ayecee: then how was i born?
2021-05-25 23:59:51	ayecee	the priests are still arguing about that
2021-05-26 00:00:23	ayecee	that wasn't very good. gonna work on that one.
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2021-05-26 00:00:41	omero	again ayecee ... it is due to my improper use of this english language.
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2021-05-26 00:00:54	rascul	[R] seems pretty real to me   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_(2001_film)
2021-05-26 00:00:58	ayecee	shrysr_: there's likely no smtp involved with those commands.
2021-05-26 00:01:01	shrysr_	kerframil: okay, the headers route seemed easiest. Is this the portion that matters ? smtp.mailfrom=reportingdb.localdomain; abc.com;
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2021-05-26 00:01:17	rascul	[R] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJMqft0yZeE
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2021-05-26 00:01:34	[R]	rascul: i don't think i've ever seen it... and a trailer isn't proof of anything
2021-05-26 00:01:40	triceratux	https://lab.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Titanic4-Temer-Titanic.png
2021-05-26 00:01:44	novelcoronavirus	some of these libera stories are comical\
2021-05-26 00:01:47	rascul	i've seen it so i'm proof that it's real
2021-05-26 00:02:12	novelcoronavirus	"I abandoned my chan, and then the owners of freenode took it over and repurposed it!"
2021-05-26 00:02:27	rascul	[R] oh the whole movie is on youtube  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAVs05GzChs
2021-05-26 00:02:50	rascul	it has the x-files guy
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2021-05-26 00:03:06	kerframil	shrysr_: look for the headers that begin with "Received:". assuming they haven't been filtered out, they are supposed to show each SMTP hop taken, so to speak.
2021-05-26 00:03:28	kerframil	sometimes, the information isn't complete, but it's worth looking.
2021-05-26 00:03:44	[R]	rascul: that seems highly suspicious
2021-05-26 00:04:00	[R]	rascul: what if you are not real?
2021-05-26 00:04:13	kerframil	shrysr_: incidentally, may I ask which distribution you are using mail/sendmail with?
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2021-05-26 00:04:41	rascul	[R] i want to believe
2021-05-26 00:04:58	[R]	rascul: i belive i can fly...
2021-05-26 00:05:19	rascul	i believe i can touch the sky
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2021-05-26 00:05:35	novelcoronavirus	##linux is moving to irc.Liberia.chat
2021-05-26 00:05:46	novelcoronavirus	or so they say
2021-05-26 00:05:49	rascul	yes, we all know that
2021-05-26 00:05:54	novelcoronavirus	k
2021-05-26 00:06:26	novelcoronavirus	I wish it was possible to join from matrix or tor or some other reasonable choice
2021-05-26 00:06:45	triceratux	quassel ftw
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2021-05-26 00:07:28	rascul	works fine with the lounge
2021-05-26 00:08:01	nb	novelcoronavirus although you might note that it is not liberia
2021-05-26 00:08:03	nb	it is liber
2021-05-26 00:08:04	nb	libera
2021-05-26 00:08:15	shrysr_	kerframil: this is on centos7. I see the hops, it doesnt seem truncated. I'm wondering whether its the wrong port. The problem is that i need to ultimately run an R script on a docker container and have it send the email, and so i need the credentials. I did not set this up and idk much about it.
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2021-05-26 00:08:36	jim	novelcoronavirus, I'm given to understand that a matrix bridge is in the works
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2021-05-26 00:09:02	novelcoronavirus	they say the same thing about tor
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2021-05-26 00:09:42	kerframil	shrysr_: perhaps try "rpm -qf /sbin/sendmail" or similar to see which application is handling it.
2021-05-26 00:09:52	Nickwiz	nb: novel is doing it to be funny.
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2021-05-26 00:10:20	pyeverything	so I have two folders that have these files accordingly https://pastebin.com/raw/jsphZqUH and https://pastebin.com/raw/Mu2gQLKk one is a set of images in jpg format and one a set of json files. Due to computing problems, I need to give half of the images and the corresponding json files to one gpu, and the rest into another GPU. Is there a way I could do this using linux terminal? It seems files are sorted but not sure how to divide 
2021-05-26 00:10:20	pyeverything	 up into two new folders (first_half_images, second_half_images and first_half_keypoints and second_half_keypoints)
2021-05-26 00:10:54	rascul	what does it mean to give an image and a json file to a gpu?
2021-05-26 00:11:08	[R]	rascul: i think when you're looking for some coke
2021-05-26 00:11:15	[R]	like giving a dealer a $20 for a dime bag
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2021-05-26 00:11:39	 *	rascul gives [R] some json
2021-05-26 00:12:02	 *	[R] rolls a fatty
2021-05-26 00:12:07	pyeverything	they are inputs to a deep learning algorithm
2021-05-26 00:12:09	shrysr_	kerframil: running that shows me postfix. I suppose the information is in /etc/postfix/main.cf... fwiw ideally, i could just install R in /opt and call a system process to send the email. But i dont want to mess up the server with additional package installation and hence the docker route.. which is all becoming somewhat annoying.
2021-05-26 00:12:47	rascul	shrysr_ what information are you looking for?
2021-05-26 00:13:49	rascul	you also need to consider master.cf
2021-05-26 00:13:52	kerframil	shrysr_: does "postconf relayhost" indicate that a relahost is defined?
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2021-05-26 00:15:00	shrysr_	kerframil: apparently now, 'relayhost= '
2021-05-26 00:15:04	shrysr_	not*
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2021-05-26 00:16:28	kerframil	shrysr_: it's not conclusive, but for relayhost not to be defined makes it a possibility that postfix is acting as a full MTA. that is, looking up MX records whenever a message needs to be sent, rather than funneling them all through a specific STMP realy.
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2021-05-26 00:17:36	kerframil	shrysr_: if that happened to be the case, you would normally just be able to use localhost as the STMP server, without authentication. it depends, though.
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2021-05-26 00:18:34	rindolf	pyeverything: use python/etc.? shell can be limited
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2021-05-26 00:19:30	kerframil	pyeverything: as a starting point: i=0; for f in ?; do if (( i++ % 2 == 0 )); then mv -- "$f" dir1/; else mv -- "$f" dir2/; fi; done
2021-05-26 00:20:00	kerframil	shell isn't that limited, rindolf. at least, not going by the overall problem description so far.
2021-05-26 00:20:21	kerframil	oops, I mean for f in *.jpg, say
2021-05-26 00:21:42	Nickwiz	Believe I would have used the jpg's as base. As in remove the '.jpg' part and move corresponding files. If no corresponding file exists, put it in an error folder.
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2021-05-26 00:22:06	rindolf	kerframil: ok... i write many scripts using perl 5 / python3 / etc
2021-05-26 00:22:23	kerframil	rindolf: I know ;)
2021-05-26 00:22:37	kerframil	rindolf: I wouldn't hesitate to reach for at least one of those, when called for.
2021-05-26 00:22:51	rindolf	"use the right tool for the job"
2021-05-26 00:23:12	rascul	all jobs require a hammer
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2021-05-26 00:23:20	rascul	and all problems are nails
2021-05-26 00:23:36	kerframil	I just don't think the shell is the wrong tool for round-robin distribution of files, necessarily. then again, it's past 5am and I might have misunderstood the problem description, which was somewhat abstractly stated.
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2021-05-26 00:24:59	kerframil	I too it as splitting a list of files into two halves, anyway.
2021-05-26 00:25:29	kerframil	and moving them, based on "up into two new folders".
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2021-05-26 00:27:55	rindolf	rascul: a wrong tool for every job: https://blog.codinghorror.com/the-php-singularity/
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2021-05-26 00:30:19	kerframil	rindolf: that picture reminds me of the "we finally fixed everything" windows 10 meme
2021-05-26 00:31:58	rindolf	kerframil: ah, can you give a link to that 'meme'?
2021-05-26 00:32:42	kerframil	rindolf: http://itvision.altervista.org/files/windows-10-fixed.jpg
2021-05-26 00:33:46	rindolf	kerframil: heh, thanks
2021-05-26 00:33:50	kerframil	:)
2021-05-26 00:33:54	rindolf	kerframil++
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2021-05-26 00:39:36	rindolf	kerframil: I have created some captioned images ("memes") of my own using inkscape, vim and stuff: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/image-macros/
2021-05-26 00:40:46	kerframil	rindolf: I'll take a look. a side helping of levity wouldn't go amiss right now.
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2021-05-26 00:43:12	rindolf	kerframil: thanks! (learnt a new word: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/levity )
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2021-05-26 00:57:14	kegger	i am on ubuntu 20.04, and i'm trying to switch my graphics driver from i915 to i965   how can i do this?  i've been unable to find anything in google
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2021-05-26 01:01:48	kerframil	kegger: are you talking about the mesa driver? the kernel driver is always named i915, I think.
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2021-05-26 01:03:06	kegger	oh it's named that way?  ok.  i hooked up a new intel nuc to my wide monitor (3440x1440) res, and it won't do 60hz.  but at 59.97 hz, my screen flickers constantly
2021-05-26 01:03:13	kegger	so trying to get it to 60hz somehow
2021-05-26 01:03:26	kegger	the card supports 4k at 60hz, so i dunno what's up
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2021-05-26 01:03:44	kegger	thought i'd try the i965 driver (i915 is listed as being in use)
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2021-05-26 01:04:13	kerframil	yes, there is no i965 in the kernel. there are varying drivers for mesa i.e. for OpenGL.
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2021-05-26 01:04:37	kerframil	so, if it's not mesa you're concerned with, I don't have an answer. sorry.
2021-05-26 01:05:28	kegger	i don't know what mesa is, sorry.  i'm using ubuntu 20.04 with i3 wm
2021-05-26 01:05:39	kegger	pretty sure it has gnome libs installed
2021-05-26 01:06:01	kegger	(it's a regolith install, a pre-configured i3 ubunt)
2021-05-26 01:06:16	kerframil	yeah, I only brought it up because i965 was mentioned as a term.
2021-05-26 01:06:45	kegger	ah ok.  i found something about maybe havin'g to do a firmware upgrade on the nuc for hdmi 2.0 support
2021-05-26 01:07:05	kegger	but it mentions 2018, and this is 2021
2021-05-26 01:07:25	kegger	i believe xrandr allows me to force add a mode?
2021-05-26 01:07:36	Prestige	It does
2021-05-26 01:10:11	kegger	i see mentions of modeline to get values i guess?
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2021-05-26 01:19:05	kegger	whoa!  xrandr way seems to have worked
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2021-05-26 01:22:19	jim	sometimes it does, if you have the right command
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2021-05-26 01:28:45	pnbeast	J_Money, are you a real person or just a bot or a spammer or something like that?
2021-05-26 01:28:55	J_Money	I'm a real person
2021-05-26 01:29:08	J_Money	I just needed a new username
2021-05-26 01:29:11	J_Money	Jeez
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2021-05-26 01:29:18	pnbeast	Oh.  Why do you have so many nicks and why do you change them in the channel like that?
2021-05-26 01:29:30	J_Money	am I supposed to leave the channel when I change my nick?
2021-05-26 01:29:49	J_Money	What kinda hot garbage is that
2021-05-26 01:29:51	pnbeast	It'd be nice.  I realize it's a minor issue, but it's annoying to at least a small set of people.
2021-05-26 01:30:07	rgr	then turn off your monitoring of every irc message. Simples.
2021-05-26 01:30:21	J_Money	You need to calm the fuck down. Smoke some weed and get some ass.
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2021-05-26 01:30:33	pnbeast	J_Money, you seem angry about it.
2021-05-26 01:30:47	J_Money	I'm annoyed that you're bothering me over the dumbest shit I've ever heard of.
2021-05-26 01:30:53	kerframil	rgr: exactly. being annoyed by it, yet watching joins/parts/renames like a hawk.
2021-05-26 01:31:06	pnbeast	J_Money, that's good to hear!  Thank you!
2021-05-26 01:31:15	J_Money	Hang up the phone.
2021-05-26 01:31:47	pnbeast	J_Money, how could I do that when I have a chance to talk to someone special like you?
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2021-05-26 01:32:31	rgr	J_Money, calm down and stop being an arse. You smoking weed is of no interest and impresses no one. Just ignore him and stfu now. This is a tech group.
2021-05-26 01:32:55	J_Money	are you the new boss around here?
2021-05-26 01:33:21	J_Money	I get it. No pussy.
2021-05-26 01:33:22	J_Money	Sucks man
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2021-05-26 01:33:33	J_Money	Got em
2021-05-26 01:34:04	pnbeast	Well, it could be a ragequit, but he's from .de.  He could just be a nihilist and not care, any more.
2021-05-26 01:34:26	J_Money	Germans don't have souls so whatever
2021-05-26 01:34:42	pnbeast	Yeah, but even he was annoyed by you.
2021-05-26 01:34:51	[R]	pnbeast: what if its rage against the machine?
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2021-05-26 01:35:05	J_Money	I'm J Money, Andrew Lee's personal rapper.
2021-05-26 01:35:05	pnbeast	[R], isn't it just the Beastie Boys?
2021-05-26 01:35:10	J_Money	Leave me alone.
2021-05-26 01:35:18	pnbeast	J_Money, no, you!
2021-05-26 01:36:00	zzz	J_Money: do you sell Shells by the seashore?
2021-05-26 01:36:22	keyvan	no
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2021-05-26 01:37:39	J_Money	I only sell Mazerattis
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2021-05-26 01:42:08	J_Money	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZv_dvG-GyM
2021-05-26 01:42:21	J_Money	pnbeast: listen to my latest hit with Andrew Lee
2021-05-26 01:43:14	pnbeast	J_Money, nah, I'm good, thanks.  I might highlight you once in a while to type inanities, though.  That cool?
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2021-05-26 01:43:43	J_Money	Won't work. Getting ready to disable highlights from your host.
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2021-05-26 01:48:44	ross`	What is best practice with regard to sizing lvm physical volumes (and spacing them)
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2021-05-26 01:53:15	kerframil	it depends. my perspective: if using thick provisioning, try to avoid oversizing them to the point where you might later regret it. if intending to use snapshots heavily, consider using thin provisioning. snapshots of thick volumes reduce performance as time goes by and force one to keep at least some unallocated space in the volume group.
2021-05-26 01:53:45	kerframil	I don't know what you mean by spacing. there should be no issues of alignment at this point, if that's what you mean.
2021-05-26 01:55:43	pnbeast	J_Money, sounds good.
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2021-05-26 01:56:23	ross`	kerframil: I have a 6TB WD black. I want to put some amount of starting space (like 512GiB or something) and then I want to have 5TiB of usable space. I'm wondering if that makes logical sense.
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2021-05-26 01:57:59	kerframil	ross`: you can create a volume group that occupies 5TiB of space, and initially create a single logical volume out of that is 512GiB in size. does that help?
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2021-05-26 01:58:38	LambdaComplex	i think if you're both using LVM _and_ caring about where exactly the data is on your disk then you're probably doing something wrong
2021-05-26 01:58:38	kerframil	the remaining space in the volume group would be unallocated until such time as you a) create another LV or extend the existing one b) create a snapshot of an existing LV
2021-05-26 01:58:47	kerframil	yeah, pretty much.
2021-05-26 01:58:51	ross`	Er, I want to leave 512GiB (atleast I think) of unallocated space at the front.
2021-05-26 01:59:03	kerframil	LambdaComplex: other than, perhaps, considering which block device is designated as a PV, of course.
2021-05-26 01:59:05	ross`	While making sure it's aligned to 1MiB or 2048 512byte sectors
2021-05-26 01:59:07	LambdaComplex	why that much? why at the front?
2021-05-26 01:59:16	ross`	From taht point, I want about 5TiB of LVM
2021-05-26 01:59:18	kerframil	you don't need to think about alignment.
2021-05-26 01:59:38	 *	LambdaComplex fears that we are getting XY'd
2021-05-26 02:00:05	ross`	I'm trying to rationalize whether it makes sense to start on a GiB boundary, then increment by TiB
2021-05-26 02:00:14	ross`	Since the base is shifting by a factor of 1024
2021-05-26 02:01:09	LambdaComplex	i'm not sure if anything you've said thus far makes sense
2021-05-26 02:01:22	loganlee	hey guys. i want to write documentation that will contain many code snippets. which program should i use? is libreoffice suffice?
2021-05-26 02:01:43	kerframil	issues concerning alignment were addressed at least a decade ago.
2021-05-26 02:01:48	kerframil	the tooling was fixed.
2021-05-26 02:01:54	Prestige	What kind of documentation loganlee ?
2021-05-26 02:02:27	Prestige	If it were me I'd probably write something in markdown (in vim, but doesn't really matter)
2021-05-26 02:02:37	loganlee	Prestige: for personal use... i'm looking to understand a code
2021-05-26 02:02:37	Prestige	then convert it to a pdf of webpage
2021-05-26 02:02:44	Prestige	ahh
2021-05-26 02:02:55	LambdaComplex	Prestige: same tbh
2021-05-26 02:03:08	Nickwiz	latex
2021-05-26 02:03:17	LambdaComplex	i was just about to mention that
2021-05-26 02:03:21	LambdaComplex	although it's quite possibly overkill
2021-05-26 02:03:44	Prestige	probably so
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2021-05-26 02:06:01	Prestige	loganlee: if you go down the markdown route, you'll probably want to use pandoc to convert it to a pdf. https://superuser.com/questions/689056/how-can-i-convert-github-flavored-markdown-to-a-pdf/715340#715340 might be useful to you in that case
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2021-05-26 02:06:46	loganlee	Prestige: i'm looking at markdown editors.. thanks
2021-05-26 02:06:47	Prestige	then just `pandoc foo.md -o foo.pdf`
2021-05-26 02:06:51	Prestige	Any time
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2021-05-26 02:07:34	Prestige	If you're programming and have an IDE on hand, it'll probably support md. If you don't have one, try vscode
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2021-05-26 02:09:09	loganlee	Prestige: i use sublime thanks.. i'll look at remarkable
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2021-05-26 02:17:10	rindolf	loganlee: see https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/web/choice-of-docs-formats/
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2021-05-26 02:19:34	McErroneous	Hi.., how do i disable "local hostname resolution" , did not found anything on how to disable it ..
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2021-05-26 02:20:33	McErroneous	want to remove the "local hostname resolution" from this distro
2021-05-26 02:20:52	kerframil	McErroneous: what does local hostname resolution mean? it's open to interpretation.
2021-05-26 02:21:18	McErroneous	resolving ip s to hostnames...
2021-05-26 02:21:36	kerframil	right, but what does "local" mean in this context?
2021-05-26 02:21:54	McErroneous	this computer..., or machine...
2021-05-26 02:22:11	McErroneous	that is local to me.
2021-05-26 02:22:46	McErroneous	well ,  at least its not remote...
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2021-05-26 02:23:08	McErroneous	kerframil, any ideas ?
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2021-05-26 02:23:38	kerframil	you're still not explaining the mechanism that you want to disable. I have no idea whether that means a) this computer, as a source for hostname lookups b) this computer, as in the hostname of this computer should be unresolvable c) something else ...
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2021-05-26 02:24:12	kerframil	I might, indeed, have an idea for one of those things. I'm just not clear which it is.
2021-05-26 02:24:16	McErroneous	this computer should not try to resolve ip s to hostnames....
2021-05-26 02:24:22	kerframil	ok. at all?
2021-05-26 02:24:31	McErroneous	kerframil, not at all...
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2021-05-26 02:25:17	McErroneous	it does not need intelligence..., or capability of thinking...
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2021-05-26 02:26:01	McErroneous	for a computer to work for me...
2021-05-26 02:26:06	kerframil	we'll have to disagree on that point. forethought is beneficial to phrasing a question, and though is most certainly required in answering a question.
2021-05-26 02:26:08	kerframil	thought*
2021-05-26 02:26:10	kerframil	anyway
2021-05-26 02:26:44	kerframil	a possible solution: "hosts: files" in /etc/nsswitch.conf, and an iptables/nftables rule to block output tcp/udp traffic to port 53 (for things that ignore the glibc resolver)
2021-05-26 02:27:58	McErroneous	kerframil, iptable rules are not an option..., i consider that a bad work-around..., "disable" i mean.., like there has to be a switch... , for turning it on or off...
2021-05-26 02:28:00	kerframil	in particular, you want to remove "dns" as one of the sources for hosts.
2021-05-26 02:28:29	kerframil	try reading responses in full.
2021-05-26 02:28:39	kerframil	and note the justification for augmenting with a packet filtering rule.
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2021-05-26 02:29:30	kerframil	there is no way to guarantee no perform name resolution without packet filtering coming into it. or disconnecting from the network.
2021-05-26 02:29:40	kerframil	the glibc resolver can be controlled.
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2021-05-26 02:30:00	kerframil	or the name service switch, to give its proper name.
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2021-05-26 02:31:47	McErroneous	kerframil, glibc resolver.....,
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2021-05-26 02:35:37	loganlee	finished installing remarkable
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2021-05-26 02:37:06	hackinghorn	so I dont know what is xterm but it opens a new weird-looking terminal
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2021-05-26 02:37:24	hackinghorn	I want xterm to open in my guake terminal instead
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2021-05-26 02:37:32	hackinghorn	can I do that?
2021-05-26 02:37:40	kerframil	and, no, there isn't a switch "for turning it on and off". applications can do whatever they want. case in point: browsers flat-out ignoring the libc resolver and just talking directly to whichever DNS service they want. it gets even worse if they use DoH, as I believe Firefox now does by default for users in the US.
2021-05-26 02:37:57	kerframil	for glibc, you can remove "dns" as a source in nsswitch.conf, as I've already said.
2021-05-26 02:38:33	kerframil	so, bad work-around or not, it might be one that you end up needing.
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2021-05-26 02:39:51	McErroneous	kerframil, yes , you are right....
2021-05-26 02:40:30	kerframil	on the other hand, if you are only running applications that use the standard library functions (and, thus, nsswitch), a simple nsswitch.conf edit might b e enough for you.
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2021-05-26 02:42:12	McErroneous	kerframil, thank you...
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2021-05-26 02:49:20	loganlee	export to html works perfect but export to pdf no luck
2021-05-26 02:49:29	loganlee	it's a bug mentioned in issues for their git page
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2021-05-26 02:53:32	blue__penquin	This channel survived, huh.
2021-05-26 02:53:39	blue__penquin	 #k-9,#newpipe, #archlinux-pacman,security, #lichess, #btrfs, #systemd were taken down by Freenode staff
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2021-05-26 02:54:07	blue__penquin	and more due to having "libera" in the topic.
2021-05-26 02:55:12	loganlee	blue__penquin: this channel also metions it :-O
2021-05-26 02:55:12	Teacup	Yep, same thing happened to arch and ubuntu channels
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2021-05-26 03:17:49	Teacup	Actions speak louder than words in this case, and oh boy did take action. They're gonna alienate a lot of people. More than they already did, at least.
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2021-05-26 03:56:31	DPA	I moved, bye.
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2021-05-26 04:02:47	Aryan	.
2021-05-26 04:02:58	wigums	..
2021-05-26 04:03:00	Aryan	what was the command that outputed just like 'ifconfig'?
2021-05-26 04:03:13	Aryan	NOT 'ip'
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2021-05-26 04:09:59	Nickwiz	"just like", ? Where and when?
2021-05-26 04:10:16	Aryan	maybe I confused it.
2021-05-26 04:10:18	Nickwiz	Sure you are not thinking of ipconfig /all on Winoze
2021-05-26 04:10:29	Nickwiz	*Windows
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2021-05-26 04:10:36	Aryan	my bad
2021-05-26 04:11:00	Aryan	how can I make ip a to show network usage?
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2021-05-26 04:15:31	Nickwiz	ip -s link perhaps ... or ip -h -s
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2021-05-26 04:16:27	Aryan	cool
2021-05-26 04:17:01	Nickwiz	There are other tools for monitoring like iptraf, netperf, bmon and what not
2021-05-26 04:18:16	Aryan	iftop, glances.
2021-05-26 04:18:26	Nickwiz	and netstat of course, -- all depending on what you are after
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2021-05-26 04:22:46	Aryan	Can you categorize them?
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2021-05-26 04:27:41	Aryan	my favorite netstat flag is '-tuplen', although I don't know what that all means.
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2021-05-26 04:29:57	iflema	tcp udp showportnumbers listen ? ?
2021-05-26 04:30:36	rouji	extended numeric
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2021-05-26 04:30:52	iflema	whats p
2021-05-26 04:31:03	rouji	process
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2021-05-26 04:31:09	iflema	bingo
2021-05-26 04:31:33	rouji	what do I win
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2021-05-26 04:33:26	iflema	free spin
2021-05-26 04:33:42	rouji	mail it to the usual address
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2021-05-26 04:35:20	Nickwiz	Have bpytop running on one of the monitors lately, testing it out for fun. Fancy UI.
2021-05-26 04:35:41	Aryan	iflema, Cool!
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2021-05-26 04:36:33	Aryan	Nickwiz, bashtop is fancier.
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2021-05-26 04:37:00	gpeskens_	Is there any place I can report Linux Kernel GPL violations (and get it enforced)? ASROCK Rack is refusing to release the sources for the BMC firmware, which is basically a full-on GNU Linux system
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2021-05-26 04:40:55	RayTracer	gpeskens_: there is http://gpl-violations.org/
2021-05-26 04:41:18	gpeskens_	Isn't that inactive/abandoned?
2021-05-26 04:41:39	RayTracer	however, I don't think it's a service you can throw your anger to and they'll do all the work
2021-05-26 04:42:18	gpeskens_	I'm totally fine with doing (all) the work, but I don't hold any copyright to it, so I'm not legally entitled to force them to comply
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2021-05-26 04:43:29	gpeskens_	I'm comfortable with going to court myself if need be, since they're also based in my country (the Netherlands) that would make it simple. But I don't have any standing
2021-05-26 04:43:46	kerframil	I'd suggest contacting the Software Freedom Conservancy for advice. I think Welte is busy with other things these days.
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2021-05-26 04:44:35	gpeskens_	Thanks :)
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2021-05-26 04:52:12	HighADconsultant	hey guys! I need to limit the cpu usage of a process running in the background, any way of doing it?
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2021-05-26 04:53:55	RayTracer	HighADconsultant: "renice" maybe
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2021-05-26 04:54:48	HighADconsultant	I need to place a fixed cap for ALL processes, any way of doing it?
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2021-05-26 04:55:29	gpeskens_	What are you actually trying to achieve?
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2021-05-26 04:56:06	HighADconsultant	I am running a process on my pc linux ubuntu and need it to not use 100% cpu
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2021-05-26 04:56:28	gpeskens_	Do you want other processes to take priority?
2021-05-26 04:56:35	jarthur	HighADconsultant imo, you might want to add all applicable processes to a cgroup and limit that cgroup. That's how docker does it. See the cgroups section of https://linuxhint.com/limit_cpu_usage_process_linux/
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2021-05-26 04:57:15	jarthur	If the process is already running, you can add it to a cgroup with cgclassify I believe.
2021-05-26 04:57:20	gpeskens_	You could use cpulimit
2021-05-26 04:57:39	HighADconsultant	Need stop processes from filling 100% of available CPU resources
2021-05-26 04:57:55	HighADconsultant	like limit 90% of available cpu resources
2021-05-26 04:57:57	HighADconsultant	how?
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2021-05-26 04:58:17	gpeskens_	either renice, cpulimit or cgroups
2021-05-26 04:58:33	gpeskens_	https://scoutapm.com/blog/restricting-process-cpu-usage-using-nice-cpulimit-and-cgroups
2021-05-26 04:58:39	Foxfir3	sodim 2133. know of any mini pc that will support that? buying linux pc for a friend. Already have 8gb to spare.
2021-05-26 04:59:55	immibis[fnIsDead	so it's now too late to do an official move because it will just get you removed from the channel
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2021-05-26 06:01:45	raxor2k	i am deplying the webapp locally at my computer for development purposes, while the backend is still up and working perferctly on the cloud. But now i am not allowed to log in while running the frontend locally due to CORS policy. This worked perfectly 2 weeks ago!!! could someone plz help? https://bpa.st/MJCQ
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2021-05-26 06:17:37	rindolf	raxor2k: hi! any luck? is that node.js?
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2021-05-26 06:19:09	ychaouche	Bonjour :)
2021-05-26 06:19:30	raxor2k	rindolf: no, and im starting to loose my head now
2021-05-26 06:19:36	raxor2k	it is so unfair
2021-05-26 06:20:06	ychaouche	how do you guys exclude files with a specific pattern from the output of find ? couldn't find a -exclude option, and -prune seems to be only for directories.
2021-05-26 06:20:29	ychaouche	I need something like this : find /var/lib/spamassassin/3.004000/updates_spamassassin_org/ -type f -o -name "*.txt" -exclude
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2021-05-26 06:20:49	koollman	ychaouche: -not -name 'pattern'
2021-05-26 06:20:53	kerframil	ychaouche: ! -name '*.txt'
2021-05-26 06:20:58	ychaouche	oh, thanks kerframil :)
2021-05-26 06:21:07	koollman	(beware of ! in interactive shells :) )
2021-05-26 06:21:10	kerframil	without -o, obviously
2021-05-26 06:21:22	kerframil	! is fine, as long as it's surrounded by whitespace, as it is here.
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2021-05-26 06:21:34	ychaouche	oops didn't notice I got answers from two different persons :)
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2021-05-26 06:21:45	ychaouche	yes I went with -not
2021-05-26 06:21:52	kerframil	put another way: ! is not a history expansion
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2021-05-26 06:22:00	maret	hi, I have a ubuntu-server with 2x external hubs with 34 external drives in total. Issue is that suddenly some drives has disconnected . Drives have own power input, hub is powered too. One is connected through usb 3 and second through usb 2 extension card. Here are logs https://paste.debian.net/1198838. Not sure if hub, drives something else is a problem. Anyone have a hunch ?
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2021-05-26 06:22:51	kerframil	ychaouche: either way, without -o (hopefully, that should be obvious)
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2021-05-26 06:23:07	ychaouche	yeah yeah got rid of that
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2021-05-26 06:36:11	rindolf	raxor2k: is that node.js?
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2021-05-26 06:38:27	raxor2k	yes
2021-05-26 06:38:34	raxor2k	anyways, i posted on stack overflow
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2021-05-26 06:39:27	raxor2k	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67703262/unxpect-cors-policy-error-when-using-auth-api-from-locally
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2021-05-26 07:27:09	sandman13	For some reason, ARP entry for VPN client is not updated and no ARP traffic is seen after ARP cache expires.
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2021-05-26 07:27:33	sandman13	I want to find that reason. Setup looks like this: https://bpa.st/74SQ
2021-05-26 07:27:45	sandman13	any help would be appreciated :)
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2021-05-26 07:33:41	DLange	if you were running Linux on the server, I'd have an idea. But this looks like BSD...
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2021-05-26 07:56:43	|\n	sandman13, there is some proxy-arp option?
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2021-05-26 07:58:55	|\n	but wait, sandman13, it works now right?
2021-05-26 08:00:05	Ziggurat	I am trying to figure out how to insert keystrokes into an existing keyboard device /dev/input/event0, I have tried to look into python.keyboard and python.evdev but both create a new virtual keyboard, and I want to send keyboard events to a program listening to this virtual keyboard
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2021-05-26 08:02:52	sandman13	|\n: for 20 minutes only
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2021-05-26 08:03:20	DuClare	Ziggurat: Do it in the kernel.  Or rename the original keyboard, reinstate event0 as a virtual keyboard, and forward events from the real keyboard to it.
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2021-05-26 08:04:26	Ziggurat	DuClare: isn't it possible to write something into the /dev/input/event0 instead? like echo "some formatted scancode or something?"
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2021-05-26 08:06:31	DuClare	Ziggurat: No
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2021-05-26 08:07:19	Ziggurat	I want this running on my FPGA game console which has a arm coprocessor which runs the linux distro buildroot to handle input devices and configuring FPGA side. Seams the framework looking for keystroaks has a virtual input device, as mentioned before, when I plug in a keyboard it works, but when I try to send a key with another virtual keyboard it
2021-05-26 08:07:19	Ziggurat	doesn't register
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2021-05-26 08:08:06	Ziggurat	Just want to be able to send keystroaks via ssh so I don't need another keyboard at my desk when I am running emulated computers on the fpga
2021-05-26 08:08:15	sandman13	|\n: Problem is after 20 minutes no ARP is updated
2021-05-26 08:08:24	DuClare	Actually hmm maybe you *can* write to evdev
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2021-05-26 08:09:43	DuClare	Requires CONFIG_COMPAT
2021-05-26 08:10:13	DuClare	.. or not
2021-05-26 08:10:51	DuClare	Why don't you just try it?
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2021-05-26 08:11:12	DuClare	There is a write handler for evdev
2021-05-26 08:11:24	DuClare	Which leads to input_inject_event
2021-05-26 08:11:45	DuClare	So it might just work
2021-05-26 08:11:46	Ziggurat	DuClare: this here is in the kernel CONFIG_COMPAT_BRK=y
2021-05-26 08:11:51	DuClare	Forget compat
2021-05-26 08:11:54	DuClare	It's not needed
2021-05-26 08:12:23	|\n	sandman13, does client send some arps?
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2021-05-26 08:13:28	sandman13	|\n: Nope
2021-05-26 08:13:31	sandman13	Nothing at all
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2021-05-26 08:14:10	|\n	any intricate firewalling on server side?
2021-05-26 08:14:22	DLange	any Linux on the server side? :)
2021-05-26 08:14:31	Ziggurat	DuClare: by "why dont you just try it" do you mean echo a scancode to the device?
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2021-05-26 08:15:04	DuClare	Ziggurat: I mean write an event to the device.
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2021-05-26 08:15:20	sandman13	|\n: I copied whole configuration to a stock Ubuntu client (16.04), with no firewall at all. Still same issue
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2021-05-26 08:15:41	DLange	and your server still runs FreeBSD?
2021-05-26 08:15:41	Ziggurat	DuClare: any suggestion where to read on how to format that event?
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2021-05-26 08:17:17	MrKeuner	Slightly offtopic, How does it look to apply for a software engineer position when current position is senior at another company? I really like the prospective company and I never developed significantly in the stack they do.
2021-05-26 08:17:37	sandman13	DLange: is the question for me?
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2021-05-26 08:17:49	MrKeuner	I am a Java dev they are a Python shop.
2021-05-26 08:17:50	DLange	sandman13: yeah
2021-05-26 08:18:37	sandman13	DLange: Yes. Server on FreeBSD and clients on Linux
2021-05-26 08:18:48	DuClare	Ziggurat: Documentation/input/input.rst
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2021-05-26 08:19:18	DLange	sandman13: you might have better told people than waste time for people here, this is (##)Linux you know
2021-05-26 08:19:32	|\n	see the ubuntu reference
2021-05-26 08:19:59	sandman13	I am wondering why Linux won't respond DLange
2021-05-26 08:20:13	sandman13	I am well aware that it's a FreeBSD server.
2021-05-26 08:20:32	DuClare	Ziggurat: sturct input_event is declared in linux/input.h
2021-05-26 08:20:41	Ziggurat	DuClare: thank you
2021-05-26 08:21:00	DLange	sandman13: the people here expect you to run Linux both sides, or you say if that's different
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2021-05-26 08:21:34	sandman13	Oh. In that regard, I apologise. Sorry.
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2021-05-26 08:24:11	sandman13	Either my knowledge of ARP/VPN is incomplete or Ubuntu is doing something else
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2021-05-26 08:26:55	prussian	sandman13: the humorous thing is, this sounds like something I've seen at work. Some lantronics serial to ethernet use to send out gratuitous ARPs and it never had issues, but the newer Linux running device would randomly drop off for the same reason. solution? make the linux using device send out gratuitous ARPs every 3 minutes like the lantronics chip.
2021-05-26 08:27:03	prussian	interesting to note it could be a FreeBSD issue.
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2021-05-26 08:30:22	sandman13	prussian: Yeah. If I do that, I have no issues whatsoever.
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2021-05-26 08:32:40	prussian	ya. unfortunately that's the best advice I can give. I was never flown out to Georgia to see the customer's problem first-hand, I was basically dealing with idiots rushing to replicate and document differences and crapped out a "fix" of just blasting gratuitous ARPs using cron.
2021-05-26 08:32:53	prussian	good luck though. sounds like you have a better understanding of the problem than I ever did.
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2021-05-26 08:33:26	mnbvv	Is bmpanel2 really the best panel for linux that works with any WM?
2021-05-26 08:34:57	|\n	sandman13, you've seen that right? how he poke the arp https://forums.openvpn.net/viewtopic.php?t=8381
2021-05-26 08:35:08	|\n	no vm to test at the moment unfortunately
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2021-05-26 08:39:28	sandman13	|\n: I am not sure if proxy arp is required in this setup. I could be wrong though.
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2021-05-26 08:39:45	OnkelBlade	Hi all. After updating Google Chrome on Ubuntu 20.04 I now have its UI scaled incorrectly: everything is too way big
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2021-05-26 08:40:00	OnkelBlade	Having HiDpi display here
2021-05-26 08:40:03	OnkelBlade	Any ideas?
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2021-05-26 08:41:42	OnkelBlade	https://i.gyazo.com/ce6c5a8b47eadb23f4a80f3d36201f74.png
2021-05-26 08:42:04	OnkelBlade	I tell you, it's really screwed
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2021-05-26 08:43:04	mnbvv	For those that don't use a DE, what panel do you guys use? I'm starting to like bmpanel2.
2021-05-26 08:43:17	sandman13	mnbvv: tint2 is nice
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2021-05-26 08:53:48	Nickwiz	OnkelBlade: Is that weechat?
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2021-05-26 08:57:50	OnkelBlade	Nickwiz: yep
2021-05-26 08:58:14	Nickwiz	Is that srever listing on the left a plugin?
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2021-05-26 08:58:25	Nickwiz	*server even
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2021-05-26 09:04:25	OnkelBlade	Nickwiz: both servers and channels and other buffers.
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2021-05-26 09:06:08	Nickwiz	OnkelBlade: Yes, but is it a plugin (script) or native?
2021-05-26 09:06:09	OnkelBlade	Currently I'm connected to just one network - 'freenode'. But if I would have been conneced to say liber.chat, it would be there too, under number "2" I suppose
2021-05-26 09:06:15	Nickwiz	I'm used to irssi
2021-05-26 09:06:16	OnkelBlade	native
2021-05-26 09:06:30	OnkelBlade	My old one
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2021-05-26 09:06:47	Nickwiz	OK, thanks :)
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2021-05-26 09:09:09	jelly	OnkelBlade, hmph, do you have multiple displays or just one?
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2021-05-26 09:09:23	OnkelBlade	Just one, jelly
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2021-05-26 09:09:50	OnkelBlade	It has happened right after I upgraded Google Chrome, or rhater - let the OS to autoupdate it to 91.x
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2021-05-26 09:10:15	OnkelBlade	so now I'm remembering how to downgrade api packages, lol
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2021-05-26 09:10:26	OnkelBlade	apt* (sorry folks for typos)
2021-05-26 09:11:38	jelly	I don't think you can downgrade if the repo doesn't carry the old version any more
2021-05-26 09:11:53	jelly	apt-cache policy google-chrome-stable
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2021-05-26 09:12:26	triceratux	icewm w/ tint2 http://i.imgur.com/LqOaZA0.jpg
2021-05-26 09:12:30	OnkelBlade	exactly this case, yeah. I just checked out, there is no any old versions
2021-05-26 09:12:44	MrElendig	can always build the old version
2021-05-26 09:13:12	MrElendig	assuming it is a distro package
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2021-05-26 09:22:31	crippa	I develop webpages in my home and I need to copy them to /var/www/html/ every night. The .../html folder belongs to user 'www-data', so I'm thinking to create a crontab for root to copy the files over every night. Is there a better way to do that? i.e. without having a root cronjob running?
2021-05-26 09:22:34	 *	iflema eselects the news
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2021-05-26 09:23:58	MrElendig	crippa: systemd timers
2021-05-26 09:24:08	preachergirl	you can run cron as a standard user as part of the www-data group
2021-05-26 09:24:14	MrElendig	crippa: or just use git and git push when you are ready to deploy
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2021-05-26 09:24:51	MrElendig	or pull from the /var/www
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2021-05-26 09:25:59	preachergirl	the best method is the git method
2021-05-26 09:26:13	preachergirl	just setup a webhook to deploy
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2021-05-26 09:26:30	crippa	sounds reasonable! thanks
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2021-05-26 09:27:11	iflema	o?
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2021-05-26 09:42:09	easyme	Hello
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2021-05-26 09:42:44	preachergirl	easyme please use the channel on libera.chat moving forward
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2021-05-26 09:42:49	preachergirl	this channel is deprecated
2021-05-26 09:43:18	easyme	preachergirl: How can we join libera.chat ?
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2021-05-26 09:43:57	preachergirl	irc.libera.chat
2021-05-26 09:44:06	preachergirl	same channel name ##linux
2021-05-26 09:44:09	MrElendig	https://libera.chat/
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2021-05-26 09:44:18	triceratux	preachergirl: they finally renamed it ?
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2021-05-26 09:45:14	easyme	I joined irc.freenode.net
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2021-05-26 09:45:28	triceratux	preachergirl: are you a m$ github operative ?
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2021-05-26 09:45:59	preachergirl	lol
2021-05-26 09:46:05	preachergirl	msa
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2021-05-26 09:47:01	sandman13	Is Github FOSS?
2021-05-26 09:47:04	triceratux	why would anyone be in a hurry to go over there with the fleeing ops ? its sane in here for the first time in nearly a decade
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2021-05-26 09:47:35	sandman13	Gitlab is open-core but is Github the same?
2021-05-26 09:47:38	preachergirl	because it isn't under attack and it's a safe place for foss?
2021-05-26 09:47:49	steven	sandman13: no.
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2021-05-26 09:47:59	sandman13	what a load of bs from ms then
2021-05-26 09:48:01	preachergirl	every major big tech name is migrating to libera if they haven't already
2021-05-26 09:48:18	steven	it was not developed by MS.. they litearlly just purchased it last year.
2021-05-26 09:48:43	iflema	triceratux: boot everyone and take op
2021-05-26 09:48:47	sandman13	Everybody and their grandmas host their FOSS project on a platform that is not even Open Source
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2021-05-26 09:49:09	sandman13	steven: Aware of that, they are the new boss of Github
2021-05-26 09:49:09	steven	and there's nothing wrong with that
2021-05-26 09:49:24	preachergirl	ms has been making big contributions to foss
2021-05-26 09:49:26	sandman13	principle wise there is
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2021-05-26 09:49:49	steven	no, not even "principle wise"
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2021-05-26 09:50:29	sandman13	Github is not FOSS but hosts FOSS projects. This sounds weird to me
2021-05-26 09:50:29	preachergirl	are you steven ballmer?
2021-05-26 09:50:51	steven	there's plenty of closed source software used for developing/hosting/running foss software and there's nothing wrong with that.
2021-05-26 09:50:52	sandman13	maybe
2021-05-26 09:51:05	preachergirl	sandman13 it's the same concept of a muslim owning a jewish deli
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2021-05-26 09:51:13	preachergirl	what they're selling are a type of product
2021-05-26 09:51:19	preachergirl	they don't need to be jews to do it
2021-05-26 09:51:31	steven	I hope you guys realize that a lot of development happens on macOS and windows, neither of which is foss.
2021-05-26 09:51:49	steven	so according to your logic that'd be just as weird.
2021-05-26 09:52:00	preachergirl	foss is a myth anyway. it's main purpose is to be used to monetize hardware
2021-05-26 09:52:16	iflema	replace the cats
2021-05-26 09:52:19	preachergirl	have you ever heard of FOSH? nope
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2021-05-26 09:52:29	sandman13	Fear Oriented Shell?
2021-05-26 09:52:37	preachergirl	but the people that sell hardward sure do enjoy the free ride off foss
2021-05-26 09:52:40	preachergirl	at your expense
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2021-05-26 09:52:49	steven	my router is open hardware so yeah, I actually have.
2021-05-26 09:52:52	preachergirl	free and open source hardware
2021-05-26 09:53:04	preachergirl	the software is. but the hardware came at a price
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2021-05-26 09:53:24	steven	the hardware design is free, thats important.
2021-05-26 09:53:29	 *	iflema fosh and chips
2021-05-26 09:53:31	preachergirl	again foss is a myth. it exists to enrich another layer
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2021-05-26 09:53:42	steven	you cannot just hand out free hardware :D someone has to produce it
2021-05-26 09:53:51	sandman13	steven: There are FOSS hosting platforms. But people don't use it.
2021-05-26 09:53:54	preachergirl	but not the hardware. nobody is giving away the hardware to improve the world
2021-05-26 09:54:01	preachergirl	they're all selling it to turn a buck
2021-05-26 09:54:06	steven	because they're not as good as github
2021-05-26 09:54:07	sandman13	I guess Github's marketing team did a really good job
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2021-05-26 09:54:23	steven	no, the dev team did. github (last I used it anyway) was not even close as good.
2021-05-26 09:54:28	sandman13	I have met people who thought, Github == git
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2021-05-26 09:54:45	easyme	sandman13: :)
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2021-05-26 09:55:00	preachergirl	lol most amateurs do
2021-05-26 09:55:09	steven	I have met people who don't write software and complain about software so what
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2021-05-26 09:55:44	sandman13	except they were active users of git
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2021-05-26 09:55:56	preachergirl	why haven't any of freenodes "sponsors" pulled their servers?
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2021-05-26 09:56:30	preachergirl	i'll tell you why, because AL owns all of the shell companies that are supposedly "sponsors"
2021-05-26 09:56:33	steven	its the internet, everyone has heard of evertyhing as long as it fits their argument
2021-05-26 09:56:35	steven	:)
2021-05-26 09:56:40	preachergirl	it's all him
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2021-05-26 09:56:44	 *	steven goes back to work
2021-05-26 09:56:51	preachergirl	making it seem like freenode is decentralized
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2021-05-26 09:56:59	preachergirl	it all rolls up to one person
2021-05-26 09:57:17	sandman13	centralized decentralization
2021-05-26 09:57:22	preachergirl	every project is moving away but the server sponsors stay completely intact? doesn't pass the sniff test
2021-05-26 09:58:27	sandman13	I guess I am wrong about FOSS being hosted at Github
2021-05-26 09:58:58	sandman13	when you realize that contributors count, then it makes all of the sense.
2021-05-26 09:59:10	triceratux	https://lwn.net/Articles/857252/
2021-05-26 09:59:51	preachergirl	dude foss can be hosted literally anywhere. the fact that it's propagated across so many different types of infrastructure means that it will never truly be hosted on a foss platform entirely
2021-05-26 10:00:57	sandman13	preachergirl: I am worried that some loopholes in their policy might lead to claim that "all your codebases belong to us"
2021-05-26 10:01:12	sandman13	s/lead/lead them
2021-05-26 10:01:16	preachergirl	"all your codebases are belong to us" ;)
2021-05-26 10:01:28	sandman13	ah yes
2021-05-26 10:02:24	sandman13	In the end, it's on MS's servers no?
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2021-05-26 10:02:48	preachergirl	yeah ms essentially owns all the IP
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2021-05-26 10:03:18	sandman13	But prominent projects (e.g. Nginx) are hosted on their own servers.
2021-05-26 10:03:38	preachergirl	sometimes in both places
2021-05-26 10:03:47	preachergirl	gh and vendor websites
2021-05-26 10:03:51	sandman13	yeah
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2021-05-26 10:04:31	sandman13	I don't know how it scales but Gitlab sounds nice compared to Github
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2021-05-26 10:04:51	sandman13	it being open-core and easy integration of their own CI/CD pipeline
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2021-05-26 10:06:09	sandman13	Github went to provide student packs and other incentives which attracted a lot of users. It's easy to contribute using Github. Still it irks me that it's not FOSS.
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2021-05-26 10:06:57	preachergirl	well neither is pornhub, but does that irk you or jerk you? ;)
2021-05-26 10:07:14	preachergirl	foss porn
2021-05-26 10:07:18	sandman13	does it host FOSS project?
2021-05-26 10:07:21	sandman13	I don't think so
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2021-05-26 10:07:24	sandman13	xD
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2021-05-26 10:07:44	mawk	what, there's no opensource collaborative porn?
2021-05-26 10:07:50	mawk	how does rms do
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2021-05-26 10:08:14	sandman13	To your second question, I honestly don't care.
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2021-05-26 10:08:15	MrElendig	mawk: isn't that what snapchat etc is?
2021-05-26 10:08:26	MrElendig	:p
2021-05-26 10:08:45	mawk	yeah
2021-05-26 10:08:57	sandman13	RMS uses snapchat?
2021-05-26 10:09:01	preachergirl	i wouldn't want a free and open source vagina
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2021-05-26 10:09:45	sandman13	preachergirl: Free and Open Source vagina sounds nasty af
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2021-05-26 10:11:16	preachergirl	lol yup
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2021-05-26 10:12:44	sandman13	preachergirl: What do you preach about? Are you from Church of Emacs?
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2021-05-26 10:13:34	preachergirl	no i subscribe to the teaching of vim
2021-05-26 10:14:00	sandman13	vim or neovim?
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2021-05-26 10:14:58	preachergirl	norse vimanism
2021-05-26 10:15:03	MrElendig	neovim is nicer in most ways
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2021-05-26 10:15:31	sandman13	MrElendig: Is there an official GUI like Gvim?
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2021-05-26 10:15:46	MrElendig	no, and sadly the ones that exist are not quite as good (imo)
2021-05-26 10:16:00	sandman13	nvim-qt was alright last time I checked.
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2021-05-26 10:16:16	MrElendig	its much more simplistic than gvim
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2021-05-26 10:16:58	sandman13	Yeah. It's kind of unfortunate that (neo)vim renders Indic fonts poorly.
2021-05-26 10:17:15	MrElendig	neovide has a nicer cursor, and neovimgtk is kinda useable
2021-05-26 10:17:21	sandman13	Same problem with most of the Linux terminals
2021-05-26 10:17:39	sandman13	terminal emulators to be pedantic
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2021-05-26 11:04:50	veek	anyone familiar with SLang/Jed rgrep regexp for slrn NNTP? Subject: [A-Z][A-Z][A-Z] kills everything https://slrn.info/docs/slrn-FAQ-4.html
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2021-05-26 11:06:52	sleezio	hi, what's a good app/widget to have a webpage load on your desktop?
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2021-05-26 11:08:14	sleezio	i'm on xfce, i tried to search for something for it, but no luck and i found Screenlets, but it fails to comile
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2021-05-26 11:15:53	jmadero	hi all - I'm having a "hang" (not an actual hang but GUI never starts up) in Manjaro. I can TTY3, and if I reboot like 3-5 times eventually it loads but otherwise it gets to black screen and stops loading. My journal: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bm6Qp19__1gAfVfSYAordKzK9GWp59Go/view?usp=sharing
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2021-05-26 11:18:23	jmadero	I have a laptop with an intel and nvidia card in it. I've tried different kernels. Strangely enough, it's a new(ish) problem......I was using Manjaro for weeks if not months without an issues. I'm guessing it's an update of some kind causing the problem but not sure really how to diagnose and figure it out
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2021-05-26 11:19:29	triceratux	run artix :)
2021-05-26 11:19:44	triceratux	looks like something happened to all your xorg drivers
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2021-05-26 11:27:15	triceratux	jmadero: do you have logs from the last time it worked ? you could compare them to see where it went off the track. otherwise id go with nomodeset vga=0 even if you have to locate the arch package for xorg vesa
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2021-05-26 11:33:37	jmadero	triceratux: it's working now so I could probably get the log easily
2021-05-26 11:33:47	jmadero	I'm not good at all with reading these complex logs
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2021-05-26 11:39:14	triceratux	mine looks just like that except when its done spitting out all those drivers it finds vesa & drops thru to a successful startup
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2021-05-26 11:47:46	MrNaz	if i have a NFS mount in fstab and the NFS server is not available on boot, will it keep trying to connect periodically, or will it just fail to mount and then i'll have to mount it manually? these are on two VMs, and i want to know if i have to delay booting of the client VM
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2021-05-26 11:51:01	CaptainShell	MrNaz: I think without an automounter it will attempt to mount once and give up
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2021-05-26 11:51:28	MrNaz	automounter? is that a package i need to install or a cron job that i need to make?
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2021-05-26 12:00:05	CaptainShell	MrNaz: It's a daemon but I know nothing about it!
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2021-05-26 12:00:38	MrNaz	all good... i think fstab + delayed boot for the client is the way to go
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2021-05-26 12:02:50	thedoped	ok, so I'm looking for a distro like Arch/Gentoo, one that can be difficult to setup (for educational purposes) but isn't too complicated. because with gentoo, it would be cool to have, but not to compile stuff every 2 seconds!
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2021-05-26 12:03:44	twainwek	is there a way to create a reverse ssh tunnel to CompB:8080 via jumphost CompA ... without using a vpn
2021-05-26 12:04:18	twainwek	in other words, i have to do ssh CompA -> ssh CompB to get localhost:8080
2021-05-26 12:04:35	twainwek	and i want to create a tunnel so that i get CompB:8080 on my localhost:8080
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2021-05-26 12:05:00	kfrench	ssh -R 8080:localhost:8080 compA ssh -R 8080:localhost:8080 compB
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2021-05-26 12:06:39	kfrench	Hmm, maybe that's backwards
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2021-05-26 12:06:53	kfrench	You get the idea.  Just make a listening port on the middleman too
2021-05-26 12:07:10	twainwek	i love you
2021-05-26 12:07:18	 *	kfrench swoons.
2021-05-26 12:07:20	twainwek	jk i have no feelings for you, but thank you
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2021-05-26 12:19:16	no_gravity	Hello! Can I make the current terminal window jump to the front via some command inside the terminal?
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2021-05-26 12:19:44	kfrench	twainwek: newer ssh's can tunnel sockets too.  So, if you wanted more security, you could make a socket in the middleman's home dir so that other users couldn't connect to it.
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2021-05-26 12:20:50	kfrench	no_gravity: Maybe a little complicated, but maybe xdotool
2021-05-26 12:21:13	crypt0kraken	nice
2021-05-26 12:21:33	no_gravity	kfrench: I see. Does xdotool do something that cannot be accomplished without it? I would like to have as little dependencies as possible.
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2021-05-26 12:22:14	kfrench	no_gravity: It lets you "fake" X events.  "windowfocus" and "windowmap" might be what you're looking for.
2021-05-26 12:22:34	kfrench	I'm sure it has few dependencies.
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2021-05-26 12:28:04	no_gravity	Holy fuck, this works: wmctrl -a <windowname>
2021-05-26 12:28:07	no_gravity	\o/ Yeah!
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2021-05-26 12:35:06	lt	any linux command/program to record my meetings directly from audio/video devices having to appear on the system that I'm recording?
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2021-05-26 12:35:13	lt	if that is possible
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2021-05-26 12:38:15	Prestige	lt: do you mean something like obs? or would you just want to UI, only a command line tool
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2021-05-26 13:05:18	lt	Prestige: sorry I donno what obs is! I prefer command line tool so it won't appear on the recorded video
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2021-05-26 13:05:37	lt	but if there is a program that will give the same result then it's ok
2021-05-26 13:05:53	Prestige	https://obsproject.com/ you can hide it while recording if that works for you
2021-05-26 13:06:06	Prestige	there's also a systray icon but there's also a setting to hide that as well
2021-05-26 13:06:09	lt	I recall trying a bunch of so called best desktop recodering bla bla bla like few months ago and I didn't like all of them
2021-05-26 13:06:23	Prestige	obs is widely used, it's great
2021-05-26 13:08:21	rangergord	OBS Studio lets you choose what to record. It can be a specific window (eg Firefox), or the whole display. Some more options like this.
2021-05-26 13:08:21	lt	I don't remember the obs name but from the first glance I think I've tried it before
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2021-05-26 13:08:21	lt	if you guys think it's good then I have no way but trying it and see how it works for me
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2021-05-26 13:08:21	Prestige	If you have specific issues I can help you resolve them
2021-05-26 13:08:28	Prestige	But it should fit the bill
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2021-05-26 13:08:59	lt	thank you very much indeed, but still have the same question standing though
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2021-05-26 13:09:22	lt	is it possible to pullout/grab/save the conference data directly to a file?
2021-05-26 13:09:28	kfrench	lt: ffmpeg
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2021-05-26 13:09:31	lt	for example all audio in/out
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2021-05-26 13:09:56	Prestige	yeah ffmpeg could do that, just isn't as "user friendly" usually. Very advanced tool though
2021-05-26 13:10:50	lt	kfrench: could you elaborate on what ffmpeg does? I'm only using it to convert video/audio codecs types
2021-05-26 13:11:20	kfrench	https://www.ffmpeg.org/about.html
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2021-05-26 13:31:08	audiophile_	hey, a bit of a keybase question, how do I get a proof like this? https://keybase.io/mwcampbell/sigs/9sbxkfOoTyW6C8IiDB50bP_ZWa-V73AfbdmvUlfOKe8
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2021-05-26 13:31:32	jessia	yo
2021-05-26 13:31:39	audiophile_	youre not jess are you
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2021-05-26 13:31:53	jessia	nope
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2021-05-26 13:32:50	jessia	if dd can just copy disks over . can i copy my system?(to another harddrive)
2021-05-26 13:32:54	mnbvv	What WM are you guys using? I'm just looking for something written in C and has an oldschool look to it, plus with good EWMH compatibility.
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2021-05-26 13:33:15	jessia	mnbvv: i use dwm
2021-05-26 13:33:22	jessia	needs some ricing the
2021-05-26 13:33:28	jessia	*o
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2021-05-26 13:34:24	jessia	mnbvv: but i didn't bother i just used LARBS
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2021-05-26 13:34:46	jessia	 >if dd can just copy disks over . can i copy my system?(to another harddrive) , ???
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2021-05-26 13:35:25	mnbvv	Now, is there a good session manager for linux? Something that can easily launch any WM and save the state for later?
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2021-05-26 13:36:23	jessia	mnbvv: i dont know about that but can't you just lauch each one in a diffrent tty?
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2021-05-26 13:37:13	jessia	by state ho pou meam dotfiles or what?
2021-05-26 13:37:20	mnbvv	Is it unreasonable to not have a session manager and just tell the user that logging out will kill the entire X server?
2021-05-26 13:37:34	LambdaComplex	jessia: yeah, you can copy your system over
2021-05-26 13:37:42	LambdaComplex	i think this is the third drive i've had this install on?
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2021-05-26 13:37:57	LambdaComplex	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/migrate_installation_to_new_hardware#Top_to_bottom
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2021-05-26 13:38:34	LambdaComplex	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Rsync#Full_system_backup
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2021-05-26 13:39:26	jessia	LambdaComplex: can i boot from a flashdrive and have a script copy my system to each installed media device !
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2021-05-26 13:40:07	LambdaComplex	i don't see why not
2021-05-26 13:40:16	Intruder777	Is there some linux distro to turn old PC in a thin client? (with RDP and VNC support)
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2021-05-26 13:40:41	jessia	LambdaComplex: can that work over lan?
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2021-05-26 13:41:04	jessia	i guess not but had to ask
2021-05-26 13:41:14	LambdaComplex	that'd be a bit tricky, i think
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2021-05-26 13:41:21	LambdaComplex	what are you trying to do exactly?
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2021-05-26 13:41:45	jessia	LambdaComplex: force normies to use arch😂
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2021-05-26 13:42:23	LambdaComplex	jessia: and what do you hope to gain from that?
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2021-05-26 13:42:48	mnbvv	I don't really care about using a session manager, but am wondering if I'm being unreasonable expecting other users to be okay as well with not using one also.
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2021-05-26 13:42:57	jessia	LambdaComplex: for the lulz
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2021-05-26 13:43:27	jessia	jk btw dont ban me
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2021-05-26 13:43:32	Prestige	Intruder777: you could use any distro and just vnc to another machine?
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2021-05-26 13:44:02	Prestige	Or maybe use something like anydesk
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2021-05-26 13:44:53	jessia	LambdaComplex: if i have my main system on a usb will the port me a bottle neck or nah?
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2021-05-26 13:45:22	mnbvv	Apparently xsm is part of the core xorg and isn't tied down to any DE, what do you guys think of that program?
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2021-05-26 13:45:43	LambdaComplex	jessia: depends on how much reading/writing you're doing. and if it's USB 3 or 2 or what
2021-05-26 13:45:53	jessia	2
2021-05-26 13:45:59	omero	goodbye all, see you on the other side (if not, I hope its not my fault)
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2021-05-26 13:47:01	jessia	LambdaComplex: >reading/writing the most i do is browse the web with qute
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2021-05-26 13:48:35	Intruder777	Prestige: I just thought there might be some special distro for that, with multiple remote protocols clients preinstalled and custom graphic shell with remote hosts profiles
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2021-05-26 13:49:33	jessia	i really need to lurk moar about dd
2021-05-26 13:49:58	jessia	bc honestly i hont think the name means disk distroyer
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2021-05-26 13:52:32	Prestige	Intruder777: I'm not aware of any, but it'd be pretty easy to just install them
2021-05-26 13:52:35	XemVivyRequester	I think it's copy and convery
2021-05-26 13:52:44	XemVivyRequester	Convert *
2021-05-26 13:53:22	Intruder777	Prestige: and are there any multiprotocol GUI clients for linux? Like clients which support RDP, VNC, SSH, etc.?
2021-05-26 13:53:29	XemVivyRequester	Something to do with C language
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2021-05-26 13:56:42	mnbvv	Is a session manager a necessity or just convenience?
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2021-05-26 13:57:07	triceratux	yes
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2021-05-26 13:59:08	qman__	If you want managed sessions, then yes
2021-05-26 13:59:10	triceratux	depends on what youre trying to do. loginmanagers work well with systemd & hide the xorg setuid thing, as well as make different sessions selectable. if you want to rip all that apart & have a looping script running startx thats fine too
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2021-05-26 14:09:06	maret	hi, i run pwmconfigm just to try it and now  my fan on motherboard is spinning . What should I do ? this is the ouput -> https://paste.debian.net/1198906/
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2021-05-26 14:10:50	Prestige	Intruder777: not that I'm aware of, but I don't use any of that personally (aside from ssh'ing into servers)
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2021-05-26 14:12:34	Ckat	maret: if you wanted to use it, configure the speeds, if not probably reset after reboot
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2021-05-26 14:13:32	maret	and I have log running process which I cant restart :/
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2021-05-26 14:15:47	Sayona	Hello, anyone of you use gitea in docker?
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2021-05-26 15:02:28	Prestige	Sayona: I use it outside of docker
2021-05-26 15:02:56	altwulf	PSA: you are advised to move to irc.libera.chat (6697 TLS, 6667) #linux at your earliest convenience. Freenode has become unstable at the network level.
2021-05-26 15:03:15	Sayona	Prestige, me too, but I want to use docker.
2021-05-26 15:03:55	Sayona	altwulf are you racist?
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2021-05-26 15:05:11	altwulf	What the hell does racism have to do with anything?
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2021-05-26 15:05:36	digdilem	altwulf, danger: troll.
2021-05-26 15:06:17	Prestige	servers still seem stable to me
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2021-05-26 15:06:55	altwulf	I remember Sayona, I think.
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2021-05-26 15:14:13	rangergord	Sauvin: can you please get rid of altwulf? You already have Libera in the topic, we don't need spamming on top of that
2021-05-26 15:14:15	rangergord	jim: ^^^
2021-05-26 15:14:36	rangergord	altwulf: why aren't you there? You moved there, no? Just fuck off and leave Freenode already.
2021-05-26 15:14:49	immibis[fnIsDead	If it bothers you then leave
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2021-05-26 15:14:59	rangergord	of course spam bothers me
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2021-05-26 15:15:04	rangergord	it's visual pollution
2021-05-26 15:15:06	immibis[fnIsDead	so leave
2021-05-26 15:15:08	altwulf	rangergord: you goof, I AM Sauvin.
2021-05-26 15:15:14	immibis[fnIsDead	go to a channel with less spam. I hear there's one on libera
2021-05-26 15:15:18	rangergord	altwulf: o rly?
2021-05-26 15:15:18	shalok	'/ignore altwulf
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2021-05-26 15:15:39	altwulf	I dropped my account because of recent FN staff assignments.
2021-05-26 15:15:41	rangergord	immibis[fnIsDead: I hear Libera is full of *****ts though
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2021-05-26 15:15:49	immibis[fnIsDead	rangergord: odd, i heard freenode was
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2021-05-26 15:16:24	rangergord	so that's why you're still here
2021-05-26 15:16:53	altwulf	I'm stil here because I'm a shithead? No. I'm here to try to help with any needed migration effort.
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2021-05-26 15:17:37	blinux	Will a source code build result in the same md5 checksum on multiple machines assuming the same build options etc? So, if somebody wanted to post an md5 of the binary with the source code, so you could download the binary from another untrusted source could you verify that it was the same binary as the trusted source code source who posted the md5 checksum?
2021-05-26 15:17:40	altwulf	I won't discuss it here, but I'll monitor -offtopic for interested parties.
2021-05-26 15:18:01	rangergord	blinux: no, there's other compiler things like timestamps, path, etc. Look up "reproducible builds"
2021-05-26 15:18:04	altwulf	blinux: highly doubtful.
2021-05-26 15:18:11	rangergord	there's ongoing efforts to achieve what you're saying, t hey were almost there a year ago
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2021-05-26 15:19:43	blinux	Oh, ok. Interesting. Somebody is trying to do that. I'm not totally sure of the use case though, because if the person who has the source code could get the md5 checksum they could probably post the binary with the source as well.
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2021-05-26 15:20:06	SinkingFreenode	wtf.. why is sigun in all channels now?!
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2021-05-26 15:21:23	altwulf	StinkingFreenode: current FN staff appears to be prohibiting automated references to irc.libera.chat.
2021-05-26 15:21:43	immibis[fnIsDead	SinkingFreenode: Sigyn is a generic anti-spam bot
2021-05-26 15:21:48	immibis[fnIsDead	i guess. not just one for #freenode channels
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2021-05-26 15:22:01	SinkingFreenode	immibis[fnIsDead: I don't mind THAT, but the problem is that it seems to ban people for writing certain things.
2021-05-26 15:22:06	immibis[fnIsDead	altwulf: i believe they are also prohibiting non-automated referenced
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2021-05-26 15:22:06	immibis[fnIsDead	s
2021-05-26 15:22:09	oxek	altwulf: impersonating ops is a really bad idea
2021-05-26 15:22:46	SinkingFreenode	I cross-posted a question (wrong window first) and got k-lined and had to make a new account. They have fucked it up so hard.
2021-05-26 15:22:53	SinkingFreenode	automatically k-lined by sigyn
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2021-05-26 15:23:09	SinkingFreenode	or if you write 3 consecutive fast lines (e.g. posting code), you get k-lined!
2021-05-26 15:23:22	oxek	SinkingFreenode: so don't flood?
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2021-05-26 15:23:31	rangergord	altwulf: how can I reach FN staff to report spammers in my Freenode channels?
2021-05-26 15:23:32	SinkingFreenode	but it's a-okay to write nigger, jews and shit like that with the new policy.
2021-05-26 15:23:51	SinkingFreenode	rangergord: you cannot, they suck. They are all afk 100% of the time.
2021-05-26 15:24:04	SinkingFreenode	they come into #freenode and k-line criticism once in a while, but that's it.
2021-05-26 15:24:04	oxek	take it to -offtopic
2021-05-26 15:24:21	SinkingFreenode	oxek: you're not an op in here, don't pretend to be one.
2021-05-26 15:24:44	oxek	I can still call out stuff that doesn't belong in this channel
2021-05-26 15:25:04	rangergord	SinkingFreenode: this is a family friendly channel, please say "n-word"
2021-05-26 15:25:07	SinkingFreenode	that's not for you to decide. That's YOUR opinion. You're OT as well.
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2021-05-26 15:25:15	altwulf	immibis[fnIsDead: I am still here, so, I don't know for sure what's happening.
2021-05-26 15:25:16	rangergord	the new policy is the same as the old policy
2021-05-26 15:25:18	SinkingFreenode	rangergord: sorry my n-word
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2021-05-26 15:25:34	rangergord	SinkingFreenode: ts'all good, homie
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2021-05-26 15:26:31	altwulf	SinkingFreenode: it's OK to write "It's OK to write 'nigger'", but it's not OK to write "you're a nigger". The level of indirection matters.
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2021-05-26 15:27:26	SinkingFreenode	is this what FN has come to? It's all over.
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2021-05-26 15:28:04	rangergord	That *****got Joepie91 basically sprung a Kafka trap on Andrew Lee, saying what was his policy on racial slurs. Andrew said "well idk what the current policy is, but we're gonna keep it for now whatever it is, and if we need to make adjustments later on based on community feedback we will". Of course, because the whole thing was a trap, he can be smeared either way: if he says "we're against slurs" they attack him for
2021-05-26 15:28:04	rangergord	being anti free speech, if he said "we allow it/up to every channel/etc" they attack him for being racist. He made the smartest answer, but that doesn't get you out of the trap, because now people are saying he's racist.
2021-05-26 15:28:32	rangergord	Stuff like this is why I will never join the Libera scum
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2021-05-26 15:28:41	rangergord	I'd rather start using Matrix
2021-05-26 15:28:47	triceratux	rofl
2021-05-26 15:29:00	 *	triceratux just finished installing neochat on fedora 34
2021-05-26 15:29:03	shalok	According to `free` I'm using about 8G of memory, but the total RSS reported by `top` or `ps` only adds up to about 1G. How can I find out what is using the other 7G?
2021-05-26 15:29:10	triceratux	way too much hassle
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2021-05-26 15:29:47	rangergord	triceratux: just use Element, it's the main client. It's as simple as it gets. Log in to home server, join rooms or PM people directly.
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2021-05-26 15:30:01	rangergord	Don't make things harder on yourself by using some weirdo client then bitch at the protocol
2021-05-26 15:31:35	Prestige	rangergord is on point
2021-05-26 15:31:45	triceratux	thing is theres no debian matrix clients except in sid. neochat is at least an rpm o.O
2021-05-26 15:32:22	t4nk_freenode	shalok, I don't have the answer, but are you using kde plasma btw?
2021-05-26 15:32:25	immibis[fnIsDead	shalok: it's probably /tmp?
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2021-05-26 15:32:42	immibis[fnIsDead	not sure if /tmp counts in "used"
2021-05-26 15:32:59	rangergord	triceratux: just install the latest one from their own repo, ****y :) https://element.io/get-started , click Linux
2021-05-26 15:33:14	rangergord	Don't treat your desktop PC like a server
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2021-05-26 15:35:06	Swahili	Q: In lts alpine 3.12, installed a program by using: sh -ci "$(curl -fsSL https://foobar)", I can see it in /usr/local/bin/foobar but if I try to run it, I get command not found.
2021-05-26 15:35:16	Swahili	Is there anything else I have to do?
2021-05-26 15:35:19	Swahili	Thanks!
2021-05-26 15:35:58	triceratux	ah riot-im in the sources.list
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2021-05-26 15:36:09	 *	triceratux is not sure he wants to wander into matrixland
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2021-05-26 15:36:16	Prestige	Swahili: is that in your path, and executable?
2021-05-26 15:36:40	rangergord	Swahili: a) how are you running it? By typing "/usr/local/bin/foobar"? b) what is the output of "file /usr/local/bin/foobar"
2021-05-26 15:36:53	rangergord	also did you give it executable permission? chmod +x foobar
2021-05-26 15:37:46	kerframil	shalok: have you taken into account the reported buffers/cache usage?
2021-05-26 15:37:46	Swahili	Prestige: thanks for checking! I chmod 744, meanwhile tried chmod +x foobar and also tried to exec /usr/local/bin/foobar, which returns "not found"
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2021-05-26 15:38:27	t4nk_freenode	strange characters in the filename?
2021-05-26 15:38:31	Swahili	rangergord: the output for file foobar "/bin/sh: file: not found"
2021-05-26 15:39:02	kerframil	Swahili: you can install file with the package mnager
2021-05-26 15:39:26	kerframil	recommended, as it might provide some meaningful insight in this case.
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2021-05-26 15:40:24	Swahili	kerframil: yeh, unfortunately the only installation instruction I have is sh -ci "$(curl -fsSL https://sdk.dfinity.org/install.sh)"
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2021-05-26 15:41:07	kerframil	the file utility is provided by the alpine repos.
2021-05-26 15:42:03	rangergord	Swahili: "apk add file", then repeat
2021-05-26 15:42:04	rangergord	you new to Linux?
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2021-05-26 15:43:22	Swahili	rangergord: but isn't apk add "file" just for programs in the registry?
2021-05-26 15:43:49	XemVivyRequester	Has anyone encountered a permission issue, when you acces Linux SMB share on windows, and can't delete files, although in Linux, folder permissions are 777?
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2021-05-26 15:44:13	kerframil	Swahili: which it is: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages?name=file
2021-05-26 15:44:41	Swahili	kerframil: yeh the file is not there.
2021-05-26 15:45:03	kerframil	Swahili: do you understand that we are talking about a program whose name is "file", and that you are able to install it with apk?
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2021-05-26 15:45:10	SinkingFreenode	triceratux: I am going to steal your nick on libera
2021-05-26 15:45:34	Swahili	kerframil: oh sorry thought mentioning the pkg file
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2021-05-26 15:45:40	Swahili	of course, my apologies :)
2021-05-26 15:45:42	kerframil	no. we mean what we say :)
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2021-05-26 15:46:12	Swahili	yeh sure, so the output is /usr/local/bin/dfx: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, not stripped
2021-05-26 15:46:26	SinkingFreenode	rangergord> That *****got
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2021-05-26 15:46:33	SinkingFreenode	rangergord: did you just fucking write "f*ggot"?
2021-05-26 15:46:40	kerframil	Swahili: that's the problem. Alpine doesn't use glibc. it uses musl libc instead.
2021-05-26 15:46:44	rangergord	language please
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2021-05-26 15:46:57	rangergord	this is an inclusive channel
2021-05-26 15:46:59	SinkingFreenode	rangergord: are you an op?
2021-05-26 15:47:14	Swahili	kerframil: awesome! suppose I can use ubuntu?
2021-05-26 15:47:18	kerframil	Swahili: yes
2021-05-26 15:47:19	rangergord	Swahili: so after you do "chmod +x /usr/local/bin/dfx", what happens when you  type "/usr/local/bin/dfx"?
2021-05-26 15:47:26	rangergord	SinkingFreenode: yeah
2021-05-26 15:47:34	kerframil	almost certainly what was already reported to have happened.
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2021-05-26 15:47:44	kerframil	error messages are confusing in this case.
2021-05-26 15:47:48	Swahili	rangergord: thanks! so the issue is the lib, which is not supported under alpine, I'll switch to ubuntu
2021-05-26 15:47:52	SinkingFreenode	!ops rangergord impersonating an op!
2021-05-26 15:47:53	Swahili	thank you very much!
2021-05-26 15:47:55	rangergord	oops ignore me, I just got all your texts in one bunch. Matrix is slow.
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2021-05-26 15:48:06	rangergord	!ops SinkingFreenode gigantic fruit
2021-05-26 15:48:28	oxek	can't you two take it to -offtopic?
2021-05-26 15:48:36	SinkingFreenode	!ops rangergord homophobic! Uses the word fag**t and then calls me a fruit!
2021-05-26 15:48:50	SinkingFreenode	oxek: stop pretending to be an op
2021-05-26 15:48:55	rangergord	Did I say fruit? I meant vegetable. Mentally at least
2021-05-26 15:49:00	kerframil	SinkingFreenode: do you have a linux-related question?
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2021-05-26 15:49:10	kerframil	if not, I support oxek's suggestion.
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2021-05-26 15:49:28	SinkingFreenode	kerframil: freenode is now a playground. I can do whatever I want.
2021-05-26 15:49:41	oxek	SinkingFreenode: you're in ##linux, channel rules apply
2021-05-26 15:49:45	SinkingFreenode	kerframil: rasengan deopped the owners of this channel :D
2021-05-26 15:49:45	altwulf	SinkingFreenode: rangergord is not an op in ##linux.
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2021-05-26 15:49:48	rangergord	kerframil: how did you know it was made for glibc, from that file output?
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2021-05-26 15:50:44	rangergord	SinkingFreenode: wtf I like rasengan now
2021-05-26 15:50:58	rangergord	hopefully he has a pro-SMS-speak policy
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2021-05-26 15:51:46	altwulf	There's no telling who will be holding ##linux a month from now. Until then, Freenode ##linux remains unchanged. Observe its policies.
2021-05-26 15:51:46	@jim	can we bring the noise down please
2021-05-26 15:51:47	kerframil	rangergord: you raise a good point. although I'm almost certain it's the case, the output of file alone doesn't make it clear. try this instead: ldd /usr/local/bin/dfx
2021-05-26 15:52:00	novelcoronavirus	There goes altwulf swinging her clit around
2021-05-26 15:52:04	kerframil	rangergord: sorry
2021-05-26 15:52:23	rangergord	wasn't calling you out, I thought there was a way to tell :)
2021-05-26 15:52:37	kerframil	rangergord: oh, never mind. thought it was the other fellow who was asking. anyway, you're right. it wasn't perfectly conclusive.
2021-05-26 15:52:58	novelcoronavirus	jim is the one true op
2021-05-26 15:53:18	@jim	usually file uses the "magic number" of a file (its first two bytes)
2021-05-26 15:53:21	kerframil	Swahili: ^ try ldd /usr/local/bin/dfx, for the record.
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2021-05-26 15:53:31	Swahili	kerframil: ok :)
2021-05-26 15:53:39	kerframil	jim: it's a bit more complicated than that.
2021-05-26 15:53:50	altwulf	I think I saw references to the "magic bytes" being in a kind of database, and that the bytes looked at won't necessarily be the first two.
2021-05-26 15:54:23	kerframil	jim: there are a bunch of heuristics, which are written in a sort of mini-language. for _some_ file types, it might be that simple.
2021-05-26 15:54:39	Swahili	kerframil: Error loading shared library ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: No such file or directory (needed by /usr/local/bin/dfx)
2021-05-26 15:54:48	kerframil	altwulf: indeed, it's nowhere near that primitive.
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2021-05-26 15:54:57	Swahili	kerframil: Error relocating /usr/local/bin/dfx: __snprintf_chk: symbol not found
2021-05-26 15:54:58	Swahili	and so on
2021-05-26 15:55:05	kerframil	Swahili: using "ldd"?
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2021-05-26 15:55:26	@jim	Swahili, so you got the wrong version of dfx
2021-05-26 15:55:35	kerframil	doubtful.
2021-05-26 15:55:44	Swahili	kerframil: https://paste.sh/TO2-cvyC#X_h6i03G8dGH-tIfPqwtsPxB
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2021-05-26 15:55:48	kerframil	the more likely explanation is: this SDK doesn't suport musl libc in any shape or form.
2021-05-26 15:56:05	@jim	oh ok
2021-05-26 15:56:42	Swahili	kerframil: I'm moving to debian, I'll use it to run a end to end test in CI
2021-05-26 15:57:05	kerframil	Swahili: yeah, I thought it might be that.
2021-05-26 15:57:14	XemVivyRequester	Can somebody recommend a cli tool for recording audio input? Using SoX at the moment , but not too happy with the CPU usage
2021-05-26 15:57:33	Swahili	kerframil: thanks for the help!
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2021-05-26 15:57:36	@jim	Swahili, do you have enough disk space to put debian in addition to the other linux you have?
2021-05-26 15:57:51	kerframil	Swahili: come to think of it, this should be more deterministic: readelf -s /usr/local/bin/dfx | grep GLIBC
2021-05-26 15:57:55	Swahili	jim: using docker, so alpine was great
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2021-05-26 15:58:02	@jim	Swahili, also, is the machine a laptop or a desktop?
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2021-05-26 15:58:29	Swahili	jim: laptop macos, but eventually will run in github actions ubuntu, as a docker container, in github action free
2021-05-26 15:58:30	@jim	Swahili, have you used debian before?
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2021-05-26 15:59:51	Swahili	jim: ubuntu, but found a "nodejs" image with debian tagged as slim, and saw the apt-get cmd so thought its similar
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2021-05-26 16:00:02	Swahili	kerframil: what package to install to use readelf?
2021-05-26 16:00:16	@jim	ok, so, do you want to put the debian on the laptop? or?
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2021-05-26 16:00:37	Swahili	jim: I've been running in docker
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2021-05-26 16:01:11	@jim	so, do you want to install debian in docker?
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2021-05-26 16:01:37	@jim	or maybe you want the debian to be the docker host?
2021-05-26 16:01:40	kerframil	Swahili: should be "binutils"
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2021-05-26 16:01:47	Swahili	jim: an instance of the image ( https://github.com/nodejs/docker-node/blob/5e83de3df9b640770e700b85241570dd5a78253e/16/buster-slim/Dockerfile )
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2021-05-26 16:02:14	@jim	I haven't figured out docker so much :)
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2021-05-26 16:02:39	Swahili	kerframil: https://paste.sh/02g7XKVS#CVnDAUF3cMKM6jIOfinj8bBu
2021-05-26 16:02:58	kerframil	Swahili: that confirms it, without a shadow of a doubt.
2021-05-26 16:03:05	Swahili	jim: its great for this use-case for example, to troubleshoot, I can run an instance in a couple of minutes
2021-05-26 16:03:24	kerframil	Swahili: it's expected really, for generally pre-packaged Linux binaries.
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2021-05-26 16:04:19	kerframil	Swahili: for it to work, it would need to be recompiled against musl or, if it is propreitary, its developers would need to do so and offer alternate binaries. best just use a GNU system.
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2021-05-26 16:05:00	Swahili	kerframil: thanks! I'll use a "debian" or "ubuntu" image which already includes node for my use-case.
2021-05-26 16:05:08	Swahili	I'm picking "slim" versions
2021-05-26 16:05:15	kerframil	sounds good.
2021-05-26 16:05:19	Swahili	and customise it a bit, like add some packages like the dfx stuff
2021-05-26 16:05:23	Swahili	thank you very much :)
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2021-05-26 16:07:11	triceratux	rofl i just got my nick back from the webinterface at element.io. that thing is sticky :)
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2021-05-26 16:12:31	sebsebseb	oh is this the new most popular channel on here :D ?
2021-05-26 16:12:59	@jim	I dunno
2021-05-26 16:13:05	altwulf	sebsebseb: it may be one of the few topical channels remaining.
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2021-05-26 16:13:11	kerframil	wasn't it already?
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2021-05-26 16:14:07	sebsebseb	I talked ot the guy they worrying about a little bit in another channel, he seemed ok :)
2021-05-26 16:14:18	sebsebseb	also I went to both of those Freenode LIve confrences that happended so hmm
2021-05-26 16:14:23	sebsebseb	and they were good eeents
2021-05-26 16:14:30	sebsebseb	but they over spent the second time despite having sponsers !
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2021-05-26 16:16:23	@jim	lots of communities know about irc.libera.chat, so they should be coming over shortly
2021-05-26 16:16:25	rasenqan	-server notice- All references to libera.chat is now subject to network-wide ban (k-line)!
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2021-05-26 16:16:45	Prestige	rasenqan: ?
2021-05-26 16:16:47	--	Mode ##linux [+o jim] by ChanServ
2021-05-26 16:16:48	kerframil	and yet, here you are.
2021-05-26 16:16:59	--	Mode ##linux [+b *!*@gateway/tor-sasl/leavfreenode] by jim
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2021-05-26 16:17:04	kerframil	thanks.
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2021-05-26 16:17:07	Prestige	ty
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2021-05-26 16:27:50	jim	I think that thing was a fake, originated from tor, and the server notice was fake too
2021-05-26 16:28:10	Prestige	Yeah it was all fake
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2021-05-26 17:09:59	_server_notice_	Missed me!
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2021-05-26 17:11:01	immibis[fnIsDead	you can also use /notice which changes your username formatting and is very likely to get you kicked for spam for some reason
2021-05-26 17:11:05	immibis[fnIsDead	(I think in some clients it's a ping)
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2021-05-26 17:11:26	_server_notice_	sumthing1980: Hiya!
2021-05-26 17:11:30	sumthing1980	eheh
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2021-05-26 17:12:38	sumthing1980	-server notice- what is the meaning of life
2021-05-26 17:13:02	_server_notice_	sumthing1980: It's not the destination that matters.  It's the journey.
2021-05-26 17:13:19	_server_notice_	sumthing1980: Don't stop believing.
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2021-05-26 17:13:42	_server_notice_	sumthing1980: A set usually lasts about 45 minutes.
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2021-05-26 17:39:40	Agent1024	Afternoon all.  Any chance someone can help me out with potentially an iptables issue?  Or am I in the wrong channel?
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2021-05-26 17:42:21	Prestige	You can ask Agent1024
2021-05-26 17:43:47	altwulf	Agent1024: if it's still there, you might want to ask on ##networking.
2021-05-26 17:44:10	immibis[fnIsDead	well the channel moved to a different network as a result of the hostile takeover on this one. Try that network
2021-05-26 17:44:12	kerframil	##networking is hit and miss for Linux things.
2021-05-26 17:44:31	kerframil	there's still #Netfilter, though I don't know how many people are monitoring it at this point (I am).
2021-05-26 17:44:56	kerframil	immibis[fnIsDead: ##networking is bridged though, for the time being.
2021-05-26 17:45:07	kerframil	anyway, I still don't recommend it.
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2021-05-26 17:48:53	Agent1024	Okay I'll ask here and if someone can help, great, if not I'll try one of the other channels :)
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2021-05-26 17:50:48	Agent1024	So I've set up a VPN (Wireguard FWIW), and while the VPN is connected I'm having issues accessing the LAN.  What's strange is I can ping any host and get a response, however any connections timeout trying to connect  Looking at tcpdump on the receiving end it shows traffic coming in but nothing returning which is where I suspect the problem is.
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2021-05-26 17:51:29	kerframil	suggest a routing problem. the return path may be asymmetric.
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2021-05-26 17:52:54	Agent1024	Which is where I suspect iptables may play a role.  I've tried adding iptables -A FORWARD -i wg0 -o ens192 -j ACCEPT and the reverse as well as iptables -A FORWARD -s 10.10.10.0/24 -d 192.168.0.0/22 -j ACCEPT and the reverse with no such luck :(
2021-05-26 17:53:09	Agent1024	I just can't wrap my head around why a ping works but nothing else.
2021-05-26 17:53:12	kerframil	you should fix your routing, ideally.
2021-05-26 17:53:33	kerframil	but yes, it's also possible that packets are being filtered somewhere.
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2021-05-26 17:54:11	Agent1024	kerframil:  On the router I do have a route set up for that network.
2021-05-26 17:54:13	kerframil	you should check that the routing is in order first, though. for instance, take the address of the intended destination and pass it to "ip route get" as an argument.
2021-05-26 17:54:25	kerframil	make sure all hops lead to the same gateway, where wireguard is running.
2021-05-26 17:55:03	kerframil	"route set up for that network" implies coverage of the flow in one direction.
2021-05-26 17:55:06	kerframil	what about the return path?
2021-05-26 17:55:34	Agent1024	kerframil:  The ip route get command, should that be run on the router for example?
2021-05-26 17:56:53	kerframil	Agent1024: although, I just realised that you said ping works, so the routing might not be the issue. to answer that question, though, you would run it at the point of origin, then keep following it. for example, on a LAN host, run ip route get <ip-of-wireguard-peer>, then see where it leads. rinse and repeat.
2021-05-26 17:57:15	kerframil	Agent1024: as for iptables, there are ways of debugging rulesets. are you table to share the ruleset (iptables-save -c)?
2021-05-26 17:57:19	kerframil	able*
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2021-05-26 17:59:56	Agent1024	kerframil:  That's good at least the routing seems to be in order.  So when I run it on a system on my LAN it shows 192.168.0.1 (my router).  I'll have to see if there is away to get the same information on BSD to get any further.
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2021-05-26 18:01:01	Agent1024	And apparently it's just 'route get <host>'.  Which seems to be giving me the Wireguard server (good so far!)
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2021-05-26 18:01:49	Agent1024	kerframil:  I can.  Do people still use pastebin these days?
2021-05-26 18:02:24	kerframil	Agent1024: they do. I'm partial to termbin, which would be: iptables-save -c | nc termbin.com 9999. as long as you have netcat, of course.
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2021-05-26 18:03:37	Agent1024	kerframil:  That's a cool party trick! :)  https://termbin.com/hlsf
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2021-05-26 18:03:50	jim	we ask people to use this: if you have nc installed, you can pastebin the output of an arbitrary command, for example ls -CF if you run it like this: ls -CF | nc termbin.com 9999
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2021-05-26 18:04:46	kerframil	Agent1024: alright. can you clarify which networks are which? what would be useful is a sample IP address for both peers involved in, say, a TCP connection that isn't working.
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2021-05-26 18:05:21	kerframil	Agent1024: and an explanation of which of those is a LAN IP.
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2021-05-26 18:06:42	Agent1024	kerframil:  That would probably make it easier for you.  Sure, so Wireguard is the 10.10.10.0/24 (.1 being the server and trying to connect from .2).  The LAN is 192.168.0.0/22.  Trying to SSH from 10.10.10.2 to 192.168.2.103.
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2021-05-26 18:07:45	kerframil	Agent1024: when you do so, does the initial SYN packet arrive at 192.168.2.103?
2021-05-26 18:08:52	Agent1024	Let me check.
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2021-05-26 18:09:56	Agent1024	Another thing of interest is when I run tcpdump on 192.168.2.103 it usually takes about 30 seconds before anything shows up.
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2021-05-26 18:11:29	kerframil	Agent1024: I'd recommend using a broader filter for the moment. tcpdump -i interface tcp and port 22 perhaps. if it results in too much noise, you could use any port, even if there is no service bound to it. it's still enough for debugging.
2021-05-26 18:12:01	kerframil	i.e. a TCP connection to an unbound port will still results in packets going back and forth under normal circumstances (usually a connction RST).
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2021-05-26 18:13:30	Agent1024	https://termbin.com/24ea
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2021-05-26 18:14:26	kfrench	Agent1024: Be sure to use -n on tcpdump so it doesn't try to resolve the IPs
2021-05-26 18:14:32	kerframil	I should have said -n also.
2021-05-26 18:14:34	kerframil	yeah.
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2021-05-26 18:15:03	Agent1024	Ahh :)
2021-05-26 18:15:51	Agent1024	https://termbin.com/cel5
2021-05-26 18:15:53	Agent1024	There we go!
2021-05-26 18:16:02	Agent1024	Thank you for your help so far.  I appreciate it!
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2021-05-26 18:16:19	kerframil	well, it's responding, so that's a good start.
2021-05-26 18:16:24	kfrench	Agent1024: Make sure you have an ESTABLISHED rule
2021-05-26 18:16:40	kerframil	doesn't matter yet. there is no filtering going on at all.
2021-05-26 18:16:51	kerframil	the FORWARD rules are moot, owing to the default chain policy.
2021-05-26 18:17:26	Agent1024	Hmmmm
2021-05-26 18:17:38	kerframil	Agent1024: next step. what does "ip route get 10.10.10.2" report at that host?
2021-05-26 18:17:44	kerframil	(just being sure)
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2021-05-26 18:18:03	Agent1024	10.10.10.2 via 192.168.0.1 dev br0 src 192.168.2.103
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2021-05-26 18:18:29	kerframil	and 192.168.0.1 is where wg is runnign, I take it?
2021-05-26 18:18:29	Agent1024	192.168.0.1 being the main gw, which then routes it to 192.168.3.164
2021-05-26 18:18:52	Agent1024	That would be a fair assumption, but wg is on 192.168.3.164.  Sorry for all the IPs :)
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2021-05-26 18:20:23	kerframil	keep on following the path. so, at 192.168.0.1, check the next hop again with "ip route get". also, for each hop that you check, consider whether it's running any packet filtering rules, in and as of itself.
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2021-05-26 18:20:45	kerframil	you can also use tcpdump to see whether the packet is passing through and going to where it is expected to go.
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2021-05-26 18:21:42	kerframil	was that ruleset from 192.168.0.1?
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2021-05-26 18:22:55	Agent1024	The iptables output?
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2021-05-26 18:23:28	kerframil	yes
2021-05-26 18:23:36	Agent1024	iptables was from 192.168.3.164 (the wireguard server).
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2021-05-26 18:24:11	kerframil	ah. ok, well, keep in mind that other hops could also be filtering packets. for instance, 192.168.0.1 might have a ruleset in place.
2021-05-26 18:24:21	kerframil	just repeat all the tests for each hop along the return path.
2021-05-26 18:24:39	kerframil	(until something gives)
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2021-05-26 18:25:41	Agent1024	Ohhh good point.  Alright let me check 192.168.0.1 to see if it has anything funny going on.
2021-05-26 18:26:17	kerframil	right. just take it hop by hop until you find an anomaly.
2021-05-26 18:27:30	kerframil	one thing I can say for certain is that 192.168.3.164 is not filtering anything, though you could still compromise the intended outcome with improperly defined NAT rules.
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2021-05-26 18:27:35	kerframil	didn't look likely at a glance, though.
2021-05-26 18:27:50	kerframil	the reason for that is that the FORWARD chain is currently completely open.
2021-05-26 18:28:11	Agent1024	kerframil:  Good to know that much at least.  Alright I will keep doing some diagnostics.  Thank you so much for your help!
2021-05-26 18:28:16	Agent1024	Appreciate all your time.
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2021-05-26 18:29:24	Agent1024	By the way I think I found something!  On my firewall:
2021-05-26 18:29:29	Agent1024	lan  May 26 22:28:51 192.168.2.103:22 10.10.10.2:58484 tcp Default deny rule
2021-05-26 18:29:31	Agent1024	:D
2021-05-26 18:29:58	kerframil	oops!
2021-05-26 18:30:22	Agent1024	Looks like that might be the problem!
2021-05-26 18:30:25	kerframil	indeed.
2021-05-26 18:30:42	kerframil	which also means it's not acting statefully.
2021-05-26 18:31:09	kerframil	not necessarily bad, but you'd then have to add a rule that covers this flow.
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2021-05-26 18:31:28	kerframil	or do whatever it wants to that end.
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2021-05-26 18:32:13	Agent1024	What could cause it to be acting statefully?
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2021-05-26 18:32:35	kerframil	if it were acting statefully, it would allow the packet to pass based on the fact that it had seen a syn packet going in the other direction already.
2021-05-26 18:32:43	Agent1024	Which might not be an issue if I simply add a rule that allows traffic to flow between those two networks.
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2021-05-26 18:32:48	kerframil	rather than falling through to some default-drop rule.
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2021-05-26 18:33:02	kerframil	same thing as conntrack does in Netfilter.
2021-05-26 18:33:24	kerframil	yes, indeed.
2021-05-26 18:33:26	Agent1024	Ahhh!
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2021-05-26 18:33:44	kerframil	for now, that is what I would suggest doing.
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2021-05-26 18:56:16	transhumanist	hi anyone know where I can get a distro that will work with the last release of adobe flash?
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2021-05-26 18:56:42	triceratux	mx
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2021-05-26 18:57:26	flyback	transhumanist, why
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2021-05-26 18:57:29	flyback	flash is dead
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2021-05-26 18:57:56	transhumanist	I have an old simulator written in flash
2021-05-26 18:58:03	triceratux	opera 12.16
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2021-05-26 18:58:49	triceratux	something with firefox esr on it
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2021-05-26 19:00:35	blinux	How can I list the device label name of a usb flash drive in the terminal? I see I can insert a usb flash drive and it has a title of the contents in the Thunar file manager under Devices. I want to know how to get that information from the terminal.
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2021-05-26 19:01:20	wigums	lsblk
2021-05-26 19:01:24	koala_man	lsblk will probably show it
2021-05-26 19:01:34	blinux	lsblk does not show that info.
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2021-05-26 19:01:43	blinux	neither does lsusb or fdisk -l
2021-05-26 19:02:11	blinux	The Thunar file manager shows the label even before I mount the file system.
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2021-05-26 19:02:27	triceratux	hrm this matrix thing is a kludge. im sitting here in quassel, then i sign onto an account via element.io on 21.04, & when i ask the irc service thing to !join ##linux the invitation produces a popup on my quassel session https://i.imgur.com/mJRteCp.jpg
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2021-05-26 19:03:06	triceratux	someone is confused & i hope its me :)
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2021-05-26 19:03:43	immibis[fnIsDead	just use an irc client
2021-05-26 19:04:14	triceratux	yeah if i want to protect myself from assumptions made by matrix servers, sure :)
2021-05-26 19:04:39	blinux	Is there any way to un-eject a usb flash drive similar to the eject command?
2021-05-26 19:04:50	blinux	So, an attach command?
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2021-05-26 19:06:11	blinux	Well, thunar is helpful. I don't know how I'd know what is on the usb flash drive quickly if I was just using ranger file manager or terminal.
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2021-05-26 19:06:39	Skunky	blinux: like to make it pretend you just inserted it?
2021-05-26 19:06:47	blinux	Skunky, yes.
2021-05-26 19:07:01	Skunky	blinux: possibly rescan-scsi-bus ?
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2021-05-26 19:08:00	blinux	I'm not finding rescan-scsi-bus. There was nothing matching apropos query for "attach" or man option for "eject".
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2021-05-26 19:09:12	blinux	oh, "eject -t"
2021-05-26 19:09:18	blinux	eject toggle!
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2021-05-26 19:10:53	blinux	I'd still like to know how to read the flash drive label for the contents though.
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2021-05-26 19:12:26	triceratux	blinux: it starts in /dev/disk/by-label
2021-05-26 19:12:55	blinux	triceratux, ah, thanks I see it.
2021-05-26 19:13:35	triceratux	thunar enumerates that stuff via the gvfs-volume-monitor. there isnt really a cli equivalent
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2021-05-26 19:21:27	mnbvv	What's a minimalist terminal that comes with tabbing?
2021-05-26 19:24:15	p0indexter	tilda
2021-05-26 19:24:30	blinux	I like using xfce4-terminal. You can disable the menubar too.
2021-05-26 19:24:35	Prestige	st + tabbed
2021-05-26 19:25:12	mnbvv	Is there a patch to have a context menu when I right click in st?
2021-05-26 19:25:17	transhumanist	anyone know any alternatives to wayback machine web crawler (trying to get  a datafile from an old site with NO luck I even tried scraping it with wget with no luck
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2021-05-26 19:26:08	blinux	triceratux, What distro and window manager setup do you run. I'm just curious.
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2021-05-26 19:31:37	triceratux	blinux: lxqt & anything that looks like it: lubuntu & artix mainly. icwwm with tint2 on really light sessions
2021-05-26 19:32:01	blinux	ah, ok thanks.
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2021-05-26 19:33:30	triceratux	i was 100% xfce originally. i still use the whole thing & parts of it. mousepad / ristretto / xfce4-terminal
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2021-05-26 19:33:50	triceratux	urxvt gets sick on plasma so i run xfce4-terminal up there ;)
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2021-05-26 19:36:13	blinux	I used to use XFCE too. I still use mousepad and xfce4-terminal. I was using feh, but I'll try ristretto.
2021-05-26 19:37:44	mnbvv	I used to be pro XFCE until they started forcing CSD
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2021-05-26 19:38:40	p0indexter	csd?
2021-05-26 19:38:45	mnbvv	Client Side Decorations
2021-05-26 19:38:59	blinux	I just looked up CSD. Never heard of it. Kinda get it. Shadow effect?
2021-05-26 19:39:26	triceratux	widgets & headers
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2021-05-26 19:39:34	blinux	I found XFCE4 to be too buggy and complicated. I was using dwm at times. Found some problems with that. And settled on i3 for now at least.
2021-05-26 19:39:48	mnbvv	Is LXDE-gtk3 still in development?
2021-05-26 19:40:22	blinux	I also used Plasma for a while. Found it to be too complicated, a little buggy with Dolphin file manager. But, really liked it for a while.
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2021-05-26 19:42:51	triceratux	lxqt with kwin is a good mix. its lightweight with bouncing icons & exploding windows. pcmanfm-qt is mannerly & dualpane. lxqt supports both gtk2 & gtk3 theming still so it can be riced in a way nothing gnomesque can
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2021-05-26 19:42:59	blinux	As far as Browser I really like Firefox, but been having problems with it crashing on desktop and mobile for years. I'm hoping it might be an extension and have removed U Block Origin. It is not hardware accelaration or VP9 codec as I disabled that.
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2021-05-26 19:44:15	blinux	i3wm-gaps with rofi diaglog and xfce4-appfinder for browsing .desktop files is also what I use.
2021-05-26 19:44:45	blinux	Ranger for terminal. cmus for terminal music. deadbeef for gui audio. mpv/smplayer for video.
2021-05-26 19:45:00	blinux	ranger (for terminal file manager)
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2021-05-26 19:47:22	danieldg	unless you are using a <70 firefox, extensions shouldn't be able to crash it
2021-05-26 19:47:26	blinux	For theming I found the lxappearance from the lxqt desktop is useful to set GTK theme and then Kvantum is the correct way to set QT theme.
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2021-05-26 19:48:08	blinux	If it isn't the extensions then something built in firefox is making it crash. On desktop a tab crashes on mobile the whole app crashes.
2021-05-26 19:49:04	danieldg	out of memory?
2021-05-26 19:49:48	blinux	I really don't know. I have 16GB memory. I am using the nvidia proprietary drivers. No idea if that could do it. It seems to happen more with videos. I disabled VP9 because I heard that was doing it for some people.
2021-05-26 19:50:09	blinux	I also disabled hardware acceleration, but still does it.
2021-05-26 19:50:23	danieldg	ah, I guess it's possible the gpu driver could be a fault even without that, but it's less likely
2021-05-26 19:50:47	danieldg	really you need to get the crash dump and check why from that
2021-05-26 19:51:17	blinux	I found some people saying the U Block origin extension was causing crashes and I had that extension on both Desktop and mobile so removed it and switched to Adguard. Only other plugin I had on both is Dark Reader.
2021-05-26 19:51:43	danieldg	if it crashes, it's a problem and should be reported
2021-05-26 19:51:56	danieldg	(but maybe it's a known problem)
2021-05-26 19:52:00	blinux	Every time the tab crashes it has a report option. I think I am reporting it.
2021-05-26 19:52:09	blinux	It has been doing this for many years.
2021-05-26 19:52:40	blinux	I don't have this issue with Brave of Vivaldi. I have some weird issue with Vivaldi though with the scrollbar not working right.
2021-05-26 19:52:54	danieldg	not sure how the reporting works
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2021-05-26 20:10:37	Linkandzelda	what would make fdisk hang on a brand new usb drive?
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2021-05-26 20:12:02	iflema	Linkandzelda: what make you think it was fdisk?
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2021-05-26 20:12:54	Linkandzelda	iflema: because i was running fdisk?
2021-05-26 20:13:09	NyB	Linkandzelda: does dmesg show any errors?
2021-05-26 20:13:17	iflema	during a write or just ranome in middle?
2021-05-26 20:13:26	iflema	random?
2021-05-26 20:13:32	Linkandzelda	fdisk /dev/sdc , takes almost 1 minute. same when doing a write. no errors in dmesg
2021-05-26 20:13:57	iflema	k
2021-05-26 20:14:08	Linkandzelda	could be because drive has no partition tables?
2021-05-26 20:14:19	iflema	doubt it
2021-05-26 20:14:33	Linkandzelda	having the same with cfdisk
2021-05-26 20:14:46	iflema	Linkandzelda: got another thumbdrive?
2021-05-26 20:14:57	iflema	testy
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2021-05-26 20:15:10	Linkandzelda	its an ssd in an enclosure, 3rd one plugged in and same model as another one
2021-05-26 20:15:18	iflema	k
2021-05-26 20:15:40	iflema	3 one crash?
2021-05-26 20:16:02	Linkandzelda	its brand new, adapter too, hope its not dead
2021-05-26 20:16:42	iflema	what is this hardware
2021-05-26 20:16:46	 *	iflema not fosh
2021-05-26 20:17:15	Linkandzelda	kingston 960gb drive, in a jimicron usb3 box, raspberry pi 4
2021-05-26 20:17:26	iflema	k
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2021-05-26 20:19:50	Linkandzelda	i think it might be the pi itself
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2021-05-26 20:21:02	iflema	Linkandzelda: hows the cables? try another?
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2021-05-26 20:21:18	Linkandzelda	yes, it was the pi's usb3. i changed to it's usb 2 and eerything works properly
2021-05-26 20:21:41	iflema	i see some articles that say 2 works not 3
2021-05-26 20:21:46	iflema	may not be pi
2021-05-26 20:22:14	iflema	windows 10 even
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2021-05-26 20:24:11	Linkandzelda	i remember this problem, when i first plugged a drive into the pi's usb3 i had huge write speed issues. changing to usb2 solved it. sucks, but might be a firmware problem
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2021-05-26 20:25:20	danieldg	pi has been known to have usb issues before the 4, not surprised they remain
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2021-05-26 20:25:57	danieldg	it's easy to have things work sometimes and not others due to differences in how the os drives the device, or thermal issues, etc
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2021-05-26 20:29:31	Linkandzelda	unfortunate at best
2021-05-26 20:29:51	iflema	more than usb issues, bordering on backward
2021-05-26 20:30:06	ayecee	fatal at worst, i guess
2021-05-26 20:31:14	Linkandzelda	well, borderline unacceptable, just lucky i dont need that high speed for media server storage... yet
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2021-05-26 20:31:46	 *	iflema do a cluster f&^k
2021-05-26 20:32:04	ayecee	i'll cluster f&^k you!
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2021-05-26 20:32:49	autopsy	plug your drive into my anus
2021-05-26 20:34:00	iflema	go libra
2021-05-26 20:34:09	iflema	chat off
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2021-05-26 20:36:52	rangergord	iflema: why don't you leave?
2021-05-26 20:36:56	rangergord	everyone here decided to stay
2021-05-26 20:37:01	iflema	k
2021-05-26 20:37:03	iflema	later
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2021-05-26 20:37:14	rangergord	good riddance
2021-05-26 20:37:24	ayecee	whoa whoa there, i haven't decided anything
2021-05-26 20:37:29	rangergord	ayecee: glad you're still here
2021-05-26 20:37:31	ayecee	i'm coasting on inertia baby
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2021-05-26 20:37:58	rangergord	your inertia-based values are a model for all to follow
2021-05-26 20:37:58	ramzy	i have a VERY complicated password that i wanna trasfer from keypassDX to an artix vm on windows xp
2021-05-26 20:38:07	ramzy	how can i do that
2021-05-26 20:38:20	ayecee	cut and paste
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2021-05-26 20:39:05	ramzy	ayecee: computer and vm clipboards aren't(cant be)synced
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2021-05-26 20:39:26	ayecee	they don't have to be
2021-05-26 20:39:34	ramzy	?
2021-05-26 20:40:04	rangergord	if both have internet access, put it in a private pastebin, problem solved
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2021-05-26 20:40:46	ayecee	if windows xp is exposed to the internet, it shrivels and dies like a tomato on the kitchen counter
2021-05-26 20:41:36	ramzy	ayecee: what ho you muan they dont have to be
2021-05-26 20:41:57	ayecee	i  mean exactly that
2021-05-26 20:42:09	rangergord	ayecee: even Windows 95 is safe, as long as it's behind a NAT, which 99.9% of systems are
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2021-05-26 20:42:25	ayecee	rangergord: that's not nearly as fun to say
2021-05-26 20:42:29	rangergord	(assuming you're not browsing malicious websites )
2021-05-26 20:43:02	 *	ramzy browses malicious websites
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2021-05-26 20:43:50	rangergord	I got your malicious websites right here (https://libera.chat/)
2021-05-26 20:43:59	ayecee	ramzy: you're typing into the vm application. you can paste to the vm application too.
2021-05-26 20:44:10	ayecee	rangergord: come on man, get over it
2021-05-26 20:44:27	rangergord	VMs tend to have clipboard sharing disabled by default
2021-05-26 20:44:41	ayecee	don't need clipboard sharing
2021-05-26 20:44:43	rangergord	and you need "guest tools" installed to allow shared clipboards
2021-05-26 20:45:51	rangergord	you really do. Trust me I've been using desktop VMs for years. Let's say I have Gedit/Kate open, I click and it has focus. The clipboard it has access to, is the one from the VM OS. Not the one from the host.
2021-05-26 20:45:59	ayecee	you really don't.
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2021-05-26 20:46:56	ramzy	rangergord: can i set a "shared folder" and copy thu stuff to that?
2021-05-26 20:47:06	rangergord	OK based on past experience this is gonna be one of those things where we can argue for 20 minutes then both sides are pissed off. Have you actually tried it?
2021-05-26 20:47:18	ayecee	what you do need is a way to present the clipboard contents as keyboard input
2021-05-26 20:47:30	ramzy	rangergord: but how does linux recognize it?
2021-05-26 20:47:31	rangergord	ramzy: shared folders, the VM feature, also requires guest tools installed in the VM. However, if it's a network-based service (Samba/CIFS, ssh, etc), then of course that would work
2021-05-26 20:47:37	ayecee	not all vm software does that, and i guess i don't care enough to ask which one is used here.
2021-05-26 20:47:58	rangergord	ayecee: my experience of this not working, is limited to Virtualbox, and VMware. I haven't tried any others.
2021-05-26 20:48:07	rangergord	VMWare from 2017, haven't used it since
2021-05-26 20:48:27	ayecee	it works in vmware
2021-05-26 20:48:46	ramzy	>rangergord: but how does linux recognize it?,??
2021-05-26 20:48:57	ayecee	well, it worked for someone. but in 2018. https://communities.vmware.com/t5/VMware-Workstation-Pro/Send-clipboard-as-keystrokes-to-guest-VM/td-p/492250
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2021-05-26 20:50:11	ayecee	this isn't rocket science, it's keyboard input!
2021-05-26 20:50:18	rangergord	ramzy: the VM feature "shared folder" provided by the hypervisor? works by having the guest tools create some shared filesystem. The network-based one? That's built-in, any OS can access a shared drive these days, but then you gotta worry about firewalls, authentication ,etc, same as with real Samba/CIFS
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2021-05-26 20:51:02	rangergord	ayecee: maybe this was added in a later version, after ESXi 5.5. You're right that it's not rocket surgery
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2021-05-26 20:51:28	rangergord	actually, I can look right now, maybe I never saw it
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2021-05-26 20:51:31	ayecee	thank goodness. rockets have such delicate organs
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2021-05-26 20:52:55	ayecee	don't really feel like it's a sincere question though, and it's certainly not a linux question.
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2021-05-26 20:53:23	ayecee	pretty sure you're supposed to choke on your milkshake at the windows xp thing
2021-05-26 20:54:07	ayecee	which was apparently important to mention, but the vm software wasn't.
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2021-05-26 20:54:25	rangergord	ayecee: there's no Edit > Paste in Vsphere Client
2021-05-26 20:54:40	ramzy	ayecee: vbox
2021-05-26 20:54:51	ayecee	ramzy: waay too late
2021-05-26 20:54:55	rangergord	There's just File > Exit, View > Fit, VM > Power, VM > Shutdown, etc
2021-05-26 20:55:30	ramzy	ayecee: i mentioned it bc a lot of software doesn't work there
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2021-05-26 20:56:19	ayecee	sure
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2021-05-26 20:57:37	rangergord	ramzy: was it you I spoke to who's trying to become a pentester?
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2021-05-26 20:57:55	ayecee	i think that might have been someone else with ram in their name
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2021-05-26 20:58:25	ramzy	rangergord: i dont exacly remember ,no
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2021-05-26 20:58:41	ramzy	rangergord: when was that?
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2021-05-26 20:59:21	rangergord	2 months ago maybe
2021-05-26 20:59:23	rangergord	are you a teenager?
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2021-05-26 20:59:50	ramzy	that's probably me yeah
2021-05-26 20:59:54	ayecee	rangergord: the person you were talking with, could they barely assemble a sentence in english?
2021-05-26 20:59:58	rangergord	yeah it was you. everyone else here is over 70
2021-05-26 21:00:26	rangergord	ayecee: that describes 20% of this channel
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2021-05-26 21:00:41	mlu	yay, baby!
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2021-05-26 21:00:47	 *	mlu coos ramzy
2021-05-26 21:00:53	mlu	here's a plush pen to test
2021-05-26 21:01:08	ayecee	ok but there are degrees of incapacity
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2021-05-26 21:01:40	ayecee	the one i am thinking of has a high degree of it
2021-05-26 21:01:51	mlu	not me, righit? :P
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2021-05-26 21:01:57	rangergord	he's a kid in a 3rd world country, give him a break
2021-05-26 21:02:12	ayecee	who is, ramzy?
2021-05-26 21:02:17	rangergord	yeah
2021-05-26 21:02:29	rangergord	You think I was born with this impressive mastery of the english language?
2021-05-26 21:02:32	rangergord	It takes time
2021-05-26 21:02:36	ayecee	nah, ramzy does not have that incapacity.
2021-05-26 21:02:43	mlu	I remember I had a classmate in college that had never used a computer before -- this was in 2008
2021-05-26 21:03:04	mlu	he actually ended up just fine when he got his EECS degree the same year I did
2021-05-26 21:03:17	rangergord	mlu: I once worked at a place where the junior sysadmin didn't know about CTRL+C/CTRL+V in Windows. He would always copy/paste via the context menu.
2021-05-26 21:03:19	mlu	was fun having to teach him about the concept of folders and directories
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2021-05-26 21:03:48	ayecee	rangergord: shh, you're giving away all our secrets!
2021-05-26 21:03:58	rangergord	what country was your classmate from?
2021-05-26 21:04:06	ayecee	how you gonna look like a wizard if bill from accounting can do it too
2021-05-26 21:04:10	mlu	rangergord: The Gambia
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2021-05-26 21:05:05	mlu	smart guy and was from a relatively privileged family
2021-05-26 21:05:12	rangergord	good for him
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2021-05-26 21:05:45	rangergord	Until recently, and mostly due to cellphones, Internet was rather rare in 3rd world countries
2021-05-26 21:05:46	rangergord	I mean, it's still rare in households
2021-05-26 21:06:03	rangergord	99%+ of people only have it on their phones
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2021-05-26 21:06:29	rangergord	For example none of my family in my native country have home computers
2021-05-26 21:06:32	rangergord	except one
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2021-05-26 21:07:30	mlu	hmm, looks ilke he's a software engineer at MS these days
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2021-05-26 21:08:57	jessia	welcome to the soldnode irc network
2021-05-26 21:09:39	mlu	the owners be politiking
2021-05-26 21:09:49	p0indexter	welcome jessia
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2021-05-26 21:15:21	triceratux	aaand
2021-05-26 21:15:59	ayecee	there's the windup, and now the pitch
2021-05-26 21:16:13	triceratux	thats absolute insanity but i did it. matrix.org via element.io \o/
2021-05-26 21:16:23	triceratux	https://gist.github.com/fstab/ce805d3001600ac147b79d413668770d
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2021-05-26 21:17:12	kfrench	Juuuusssst a bit outside.
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2021-05-26 21:18:07	ayecee	ball 1
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2021-05-26 21:19:24	triceratux	i started with fluffychat at noon. only needed 3 servers, 2 nicks, one email address, 6hrs
2021-05-26 21:19:28	triceratux	itz federated :)
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2021-05-26 21:28:58	twainwek	rangergord: was he a sysadmin for windows?
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2021-05-26 21:33:01	altwulf	Public Service Announcement: users are now advised to migrate to Libera #linux (irc.libera.chat, 6697 TLS, 6667 cleartext). Freenode staff and management are unstable and likely to remain so for the foreseeable future.
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2021-05-26 21:35:23	twainwek	hmm i've been away for a few days. what's the deal with freenode/libera
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2021-05-26 21:37:42	ayecee	nice try
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2021-05-26 21:39:50	twainwek	nice try what
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2021-05-26 21:41:39	loganlee	good morning guys
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2021-05-26 21:44:26	triceratux	twainwek: it went from bad to worse then collapsed entirely https://fridge.ubuntu.com/2021/05/26/announcing-ubuntus-move-to-libera-chat/
2021-05-26 21:44:37	rangergord	twainwek: general IT assistant. But yes, no one was using Linux there.
2021-05-26 21:45:14	rangergord	Public Service Announcement: users are now advised to remain on Freenode ##linux. We are not going anywhere.
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2021-05-26 21:49:18	twainwek	when i saw the 'i'm resigning effective immediately' i got a good feeling there was a lot of tension
2021-05-26 21:51:19	rangergord	twainwek: a minority of power-hungry staffers have convinced a minority of useful idiots to act as their propaganda arm in an attempt to get people to leave Freenode. So they spam every channel "oh we all moved to Libera btw :))))" , send PMs, etc.
2021-05-26 21:51:20	rangergord	Don't fall for it.
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2021-05-26 21:52:54	twainwek	rangergord: i was ignoring it until i saw someone i know in a different channel say (paraphrasing) i'm leaving after a decade of being on freenode
2021-05-26 21:53:02	twainwek	and he did leave
2021-05-26 21:53:55	rangergord	Someone I speak to daily also left, but since we're collaborators on a project I don't want to offend him by saying he's been played like a fool
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2021-05-26 21:54:47	ayecee	not a minority on either count
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2021-05-26 21:55:36	twainwek	ayecee: there's an imposter on libera #linux channel using your nick
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2021-05-26 21:55:46	ayecee	nope
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2021-05-26 21:56:04	rangergord	et tu, ayecee?
2021-05-26 21:56:11	ayecee	et me buddy
2021-05-26 21:56:31	rangergord	ayecee: how many people in #linux on Libera? cause we're 5536 here according to my client.
2021-05-26 21:56:56	rangergord	In the words of that dude from the Bible, "we are legion, bitch!"
2021-05-26 21:56:56	ayecee	5536? did that go like way up recently?
2021-05-26 21:57:13	rangergord	I have no idea. It seems  off. I always thought we were like 1k.
2021-05-26 21:57:22	ayecee	yeah like 1k or 2k
2021-05-26 21:57:23	rangergord	I'm not on a native IRC client, may be Matrix acting up
2021-05-26 21:57:53	ayecee	may be fallout from a few other major channels being forcibly shut down.
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2021-05-26 21:58:03	ayecee	sure don't see any extra people talking
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2021-05-26 21:58:34	twainwek	whcih channel was shut down
2021-05-26 21:58:36	ayecee	/names says 1260 nicks
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2021-05-26 21:58:58	rangergord	and how many in Libera?
2021-05-26 21:58:58	triceratux	it was around 1337 this morning. now its below 1337
2021-05-26 21:59:04	ayecee	twainwek: #ubuntu, for one. they reverted it, but like that's pretty big damage.
2021-05-26 21:59:04	ananke	down from ~1900 or so a week ago
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2021-05-26 21:59:29	rangergord	ananke: there's no way there's 500 people who left ##linux over this nothingburger. We have like 30 regulars at most.
2021-05-26 21:59:40	twainwek	shut down as in channel operators closed it, or the freenode shut it down
2021-05-26 21:59:57	ayecee	twainwek: freenode shut it down, and then later apologized for it.
2021-05-26 22:00:04	ananke	rangergord: it's not hard to count
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2021-05-26 22:00:27	ananke	every day it's been about 100 or so less
2021-05-26 22:00:36	twainwek	damn
2021-05-26 22:00:40	rangergord	OK, no one is saying, how many in #linux on Libera?
2021-05-26 22:00:51	ananke	rangergord: 864
2021-05-26 22:01:06	ayecee	last night someone was saying it was up to 700
2021-05-26 22:01:08	rangergord	that's actually more than I expected. I thought more like, 64.
2021-05-26 22:01:29	rangergord	but who knows how many are bots
2021-05-26 22:01:32	ayecee	rangergord: it could be you've got an inaccurate take on the significance of this
2021-05-26 22:01:36	rangergord	wouldn't put it below them
2021-05-26 22:01:46	rangergord	ayecee: me, wrong? Come on
2021-05-26 22:01:47	ananke	the more channels freenode is going to upset, the more people will pack up and leave
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2021-05-26 22:02:22	ayecee	rangergord: well i would have thought that impossible too, but now that you say it, it kinda makes sense
2021-05-26 22:02:28	rangergord	ananke: I think freenode channels are made up of the users who want to be in them, so when an op decides "I'm kicking everyone and making the channel invite only", that's what makes people intentionally stay on Freenode
2021-05-26 22:03:01	ananke	rangergord: not sure what you're referring to, though I've seen freenode's new bot do that to channels
2021-05-26 22:03:03	ayecee	need a roadmap to follow that logic
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2021-05-26 22:03:47	rangergord	ananke: it was the go-to guide for several minor channels. Either kick people, or mute the channel to prevent people from chatting on Freenode.
2021-05-26 22:03:56	rangergord	I don't mind seeing those channels reclaimed in the name of the community
2021-05-26 22:04:26	rangergord	I don't come here because sauvin thinks himself he's a king (just an example, sauvin had too much sense to close this channel). I come here to chat about Linux.
2021-05-26 22:04:39	rangergord	And if sauvin tries to stop me, I'll rat him out to Freenode staff
2021-05-26 22:04:53	ananke	rangergord: yet you're here, discussing personal drama
2021-05-26 22:04:53	rangergord	I don't understand why other people don't agree
2021-05-26 22:05:02	ayecee	burning all the bridges
2021-05-26 22:05:13	rangergord	ananke: "you complain about the cost of living and rental, yet you own a smartphone!"
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2021-05-26 22:05:34	rangergord	Yeah, it's a topical conversation about a major event, which I didn't bring up btw, you were already discussing it
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2021-05-26 22:06:30	ananke	rangergord: you were discussing it before I even chimed in, and I'm not the one claiming why I come here
2021-05-26 22:06:47	ananke	either way, give it a couple more weeks, and you can have it all
2021-05-26 22:07:00	ayecee	et tu, quoque?
2021-05-26 22:07:00	rangergord	ananke: and I chimed in because ayecee and twainwek and others were discussing it
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2021-05-26 22:07:10	rangergord	ananke: really? Why don't you leave right now?
2021-05-26 22:07:26	ayecee	probably inertia too
2021-05-26 22:07:44	ananke	rangergord: how else am I going to get on your nerves?
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2021-05-26 22:08:11	rangergord	Look, I think at the core of it, we disagree what this channel represents. To you, it's not a place for the users who want to chat in it (by connecting to Freenode), it's property, and you can take this property so others don't have it. I disagree with that.
2021-05-26 22:08:33	rangergord	I don't see this as "sauvin's linux channel". I see it as "Freenode linux channel"
2021-05-26 22:08:56	ayecee	no one sees it as "sauvin's linux channel", but that makes a helluva strawman to beat up on.
2021-05-26 22:09:39	funkpower	im excited that the community is dividing
2021-05-26 22:09:45	funkpower	way too much cohesion
2021-05-26 22:09:57	funkpower	chaos is good
2021-05-26 22:10:53	ayecee	chaos has no moral character. chaos just is.
2021-05-26 22:10:55	rangergord	ayecee: it's not a strawman, several channels were closed this way. I read a gist linked from Hackernews for channel "owners" about how to do it, and it involved forwarding to ##moved_to_libera, kicking people, invite, mute, etc.
2021-05-26 22:11:10	altwulf	Ayecee, you probably need to be quiet. You're an imposter, you know!
2021-05-26 22:11:14	ayecee	rangergord: it is, and i'm disappointed you don't see that.
2021-05-26 22:12:03	altwulf	rangergord: I've not heard that ## channels were (much) impacted by that.
2021-05-26 22:12:08	ayecee	rangergord: and that you've gone off on a gish gallop in your defense. that's also nauseating.
2021-05-26 22:12:42	ayecee	altwulf: pfft, who you gonna believe, him or me?
2021-05-26 22:12:43	rizongen	omg guys stop youre hurting FOSS
2021-05-26 22:12:56	altwulf	I'm gonna believe the real ayecee!
2021-05-26 22:13:03	ayecee	good man
2021-05-26 22:13:11	altwulf	Twainek knows the truth!
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2021-05-26 22:13:37	autopsy	tranny
2021-05-26 22:13:40	rangergord	I've made the same 3-4 arguments from the start
2021-05-26 22:13:41	ayecee	maybe twainwek can introduce me sometime
2021-05-26 22:13:47	rangergord	calling it a gish gallop because I use more than 1 is funny
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2021-05-26 22:14:03	ayecee	that's not why i called it that
2021-05-26 22:14:06	rangergord	autopsy: please, this is a family channel. The group you refer to all left to Libera.
2021-05-26 22:14:08	altwulf	rangergord, Freenode's present owner (disputed) seems to believe that *everything* that connects to Freenode servers is Freenode property.
2021-05-26 22:14:11	twainwek	You can't handle the truth!
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2021-05-26 22:14:44	altwulf	The warning is this: *this* channel may disappear without warning.
2021-05-26 22:15:00	ayecee	altwulf may disappear without warning too
2021-05-26 22:15:05	ayecee	be warned!
2021-05-26 22:15:13	twainwek	oh snap that was a threat altwulf
2021-05-26 22:15:22	altwulf	True, dat, but so long as this channel is joinable, I can return.
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2021-05-26 22:15:32	ayecee	not if you disappear without warning
2021-05-26 22:15:55	ayecee	aneurysms can happen to anyone at any time
2021-05-26 22:16:00	ayecee	try not to think about it though
2021-05-26 22:16:00	loganlee	i don't think this channel will disappear when we've got a lot of /names
2021-05-26 22:16:07	altwulf	Bans and klines are easily bypassed. We've had many persistent trolls teach us this over the years.
2021-05-26 22:16:23	Nick12	This is not the "Freenode linux channel", this is rasengan's linux channel
2021-05-26 22:16:33	rangergord	altwulf: you realize it's a hard task for you to convince me that Lee wanting to preserve the communities USERS have joined on Freenode, is a bad thing, yes?
2021-05-26 22:16:39	Nick12	And if you believe otherwise, you are delusional
2021-05-26 22:16:48	ayecee	rangergord: now look what you've started.
2021-05-26 22:17:05	ayecee	rangergord: you've left out food and attracted the cockroaches.
2021-05-26 22:17:22	rangergord	Nick12: really? The only "rule" Rasengan made, was the channel "owners" can't kick me out to force me to go to Libera. I agree with that.
2021-05-26 22:17:35	rangergord	(or mute, etc)
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2021-05-26 22:17:40	ayecee	can you guys get a room or something
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2021-05-26 22:18:09	rangergord	you did this, ayecee. As the patriarch who's right a solid 52% of the time on Linux issues, you could've been a leader.
2021-05-26 22:18:34	ananke	can't stop, won't stop. argh
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2021-05-26 22:19:01	ayecee	rangergord: people like you and Nick12 are going to drive the rest of us normies away.
2021-05-26 22:19:11	rangergord	ayecee: you could've been the Han Solo. Instead you're the...what's that purple-haired chick from the new Star Wars movie?
2021-05-26 22:19:33	altwulf	rangergord: you *can* be removed from this channel, however. You know this. It woudln't be the first time.
2021-05-26 22:19:45	rangergord	altwulf: not by you :)
2021-05-26 22:19:56	Nick12	Is that autopsy user that said "tr**ny" not getting klined?
2021-05-26 22:20:18	ayecee	Nick12: uh... no. that is not a thing that normally happens.
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2021-05-26 22:20:23	rangergord	Nick12: I know, right? It's off-topic to discussion vehicle transmissions here
2021-05-26 22:20:39	rangergord	I'm going to Europe this summer and will have to learn to drive a manual tranny :(
2021-05-26 22:20:56	ayecee	hope you like stick shifting
2021-05-26 22:21:06	altwulf	Should be easy for somebody who just loves stroking a stick.
2021-05-26 22:21:18	ayecee	a lot of the skills carry over
2021-05-26 22:21:22	Nick12	I *looove* stroking sticks
2021-05-26 22:21:22	rangergord	it's just gonna be hard driving while handling a stick the whole way
2021-05-26 22:21:48	altwulf	You get used to it, I promise. I've driven a stick for almost fifty years now.
2021-05-26 22:21:53	rangergord	waaaaaait a minute...are you making some sort of innuendo?
2021-05-26 22:22:16	altwulf	Quickest wit in the West, is our rangergord! Can't put one over on him!
2021-05-26 22:22:18	ayecee	playing dumb is out of fashion
2021-05-26 22:22:34	ayecee	there's just so much of the real stuff available
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2021-05-26 22:24:04	rangergord	https://gist.github.com/nurupo/91b0ebc7f85059b57ea7108a25ae6c69   ayecee, here's the document that was being circulated
2021-05-26 22:24:21	rangergord	Anyone who does this, deserve their channel ownership privileges revoked
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2021-05-26 22:24:49	ayecee	rangergord: i don't care. that was not what the strawman thing was about.
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2021-05-26 22:25:03	ayecee	rangergord: i thought you were just playing dumb on that one too, but it turns out this is the real stuff.
2021-05-26 22:25:12	rangergord	what was the strawman thing then? I said sauvin isn't doing this because he has good sense. I was just using it as an example, IF he decided to do this.
2021-05-26 22:25:13	ayecee	you see the problem. it gets hard to tell the difference.
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2021-05-26 22:25:44	rangergord	To be clear, since we seem to sometimes broadcast on different wavelengths: Sauvin left this channel open and all credit to him.
2021-05-26 22:26:01	ayecee	the strawman was specifically about the label "sauvin's linux channel" and the sentiment behind it.
2021-05-26 22:26:08	rangergord	Because we are chatting in ##linux, I used sauvin as an example of someone who'd want to close this community (WHICH HE DIDN'T DO CAUSE HE'S A GOOD DUDE)
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2021-05-26 22:27:03	ayecee	his motivations are more mixed than that
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2021-05-26 22:27:12	rangergord	does that make more sense? I wasn't attacking the guy. I just used him as an example cause he's the owner of this channel.
2021-05-26 22:27:15	loganlee	most of the normies won't leave but mods leave so we'll just get new mods in this channel
2021-05-26 22:27:23	rangergord	ayecee: ok, "better dude than the shitheads closing Freenode channels", happy?
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2021-05-26 22:28:46	altwulf	I want to move the community, not close it.
2021-05-26 22:28:54	altwulf	I want to preserve it.
2021-05-26 22:28:56	ananke	I feel like the 'closing channels' is on par with 'voter fraud' frequency
2021-05-26 22:29:10	rangergord	altwulf: you can't move it because I'll only come here. I am not joining Libera no matter what happens. I cannot sanction their buffonery.
2021-05-26 22:29:28	altwulf	Oh, by the way, rangergord, fun fact: Sauvin doesn't own the channel. WildPikachu does.
2021-05-26 22:29:29	rangergord	As long as Freenode stays online, I will only come here
2021-05-26 22:29:45	synthetek	same
2021-05-26 22:29:49	ramzy	me too
2021-05-26 22:29:49	ayecee	rangergord: i may have misread your intent in using the phrase.
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2021-05-26 22:30:02	Nick12	Which channels actually kicked everyone? Are you saying the gentoo channels did that? Or the ubuntu ones? Or the mgba ones?
2021-05-26 22:30:22	altwulf	Gentlemen, people are *advised* to move to Libera. You've got tons of people fighting the idiots who would *force* you to move.
2021-05-26 22:30:23	ayecee	let's get back to linux eh
2021-05-26 22:30:31	ananke	Nick12: 'some people say', 'it's happening everywhere!'
2021-05-26 22:30:38	triceratux	Nick12: #centos
2021-05-26 22:31:17	altwulf	CentOS. RHEL. Haskell. Emacs. Perl. Python. The entire Wiki-verse.
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2021-05-26 22:31:35	altwulf	That's just off the top of my head. Everybody is moving.
2021-05-26 22:31:42	rangergord	Nick12: I don't know which ones, I don't spend all day on IRC. I really learned about this stuff reluctantly. It's like when the mainstream media was constantly shitting on Trump and you had to look for the nugget of truth hidden under all the bullshit. But I do know that ##linux said "We're also on Libera" and didn't get in trouble. So whatever you heard from Team Vehicle Transmission, was exaggeration.
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2021-05-26 22:32:04	[R]	ayecee: what's that?
2021-05-26 22:32:24	altwulf	rangergord: no, it wasn't exaggerated. There's a war going on that you're unaware of.
2021-05-26 22:32:25	ananke	altwulf: 'packing up and leaving' is not the same as what's being claimed here - taking actions to force users to leave
2021-05-26 22:32:34	ayecee	[R]: it's a figure of speech common to canadian parlance but that's not important right now
2021-05-26 22:33:01	ananke	ohhh, rangergord is a trumpist. no wonder
2021-05-26 22:33:07	nurupo	even force issue aside, if you put "we are moving to libera" into title, you #channel will get dropped, then assigned to the staff, muted and forwarded to ##channel, which again is owned by the staff and which has no mention of your community moving to libera. they are preventing you to say that you are moving to libera by putting it into topic
2021-05-26 22:33:08	Nick12	altwulf All of those kicked everyone and locked the channel?
2021-05-26 22:33:20	ayecee	rangergord: would you like this to continue to be a channel people talk about linux in?
2021-05-26 22:33:20	altwulf	ananke: it's a fact that Freenode staff wrote a bot, give it oper, seized, locked and vacated over seven hundred channels within the past 48 hours.
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2021-05-26 22:33:32	ayecee	rangergord: lacking moderation now, it behooves you to moderate yourself.
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2021-05-26 22:33:38	ananke	atomi: yes, that's right, but that's not what rangergord is talking about
2021-05-26 22:33:43	cferry	 Dear community, is it a bad idea to have a variable on the timeout parameter in epoll_wait? https://github.com/beryldb/beryldb/blob/unstable/src/epoll.cpp#L143
2021-05-26 22:33:50	cferry	the idea is so it may change according to internal database load..
2021-05-26 22:33:50	ananke	altwulf: yes, that's right, but that's not what rangergord is talking about
2021-05-26 22:33:56	altwulf	What makes you think ##linux is unmoderated?
2021-05-26 22:34:03	ayecee	cferry: instead of what?
2021-05-26 22:34:11	nurupo	funny enough, many channels that have moved to oftc and have that in their topic were totally unaffected, only channels mentioning libera got taken over by the staff. that's some bias
2021-05-26 22:34:12	Nick12	cferry why would that be a bad idea?
2021-05-26 22:34:12	altwulf	OK, maybe I don't speak "rangergord" well. What is he saying?
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2021-05-26 22:34:26	ayecee	altwulf: the lack of moderation and the expressed intent of the moderators
2021-05-26 22:34:31	ananke	altwulf: I've seen that bot in action, not a pleasant experience. rangergord is claiming that what's rampant is channel owners locking down freenode channels, muting/kicking/setting invite only, etc
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2021-05-26 22:34:49	cferry	Nick12, garbage collections? I'm not an epoll expert
2021-05-26 22:35:11	rangergord	nurupo: can you tell our friend ananke how many channel owners followed your advice you posted here? https://gist.github.com/nurupo/91b0ebc7f85059b57ea7108a25ae6c69
2021-05-26 22:35:16	[R]	cferry: there is no garabge collection in c++
2021-05-26 22:35:28	ayecee	cferry: what leads you to be concerned for that at this time?
2021-05-26 22:35:40	ananke	rangergord: you tell us. how many did?
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2021-05-26 22:36:41	altwulf	ananke: it's true that SOME channel founders/operators are being a bit brusque about how they effect their moves.
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2021-05-26 22:37:12	rangergord	ananke: more than 1. I have no thoughts on people wanting to go to Libera, other than thinking less of them. It's the ones that either try to evict the existing Freenode community (via nurupo's tactics), or send me spammy PMs, or post factually incorrect "PSA" spam like altwulf here , that bother me
2021-05-26 22:37:12	ananke	altwulf: I don't dispute that some may be, but I wouldn't claim it's a rampant behavior
2021-05-26 22:37:26	cferry	ayecee, I'm assuming that the Kernel will allocate a certain timeout to process epoll's notifications. What if these timeouts get are  actively? am I upsetting the Kernel? is this a common practice? I just came up with it and feel uncertain
2021-05-26 22:37:45	nurupo	rangergord: >But I do know that ##linux said "We're also on Libera" and didn't get in trouble. So whatever you heard from Team Vehicle Transmission, was exaggeration. <-- freenode's policy seems to apply only to # channels. ##linux is a ## channel, so it's unaffected https://freenode.net/policies#channel-ownership
2021-05-26 22:37:49	cferry	[R], there's a bit of garbage collection, specially if you are not fluent with raw pointers
2021-05-26 22:37:51	Nick12	AIUI the majority of the channels that got hit were not being so "brusque"
2021-05-26 22:37:59	[R]	cferry: huh?
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2021-05-26 22:38:15	nurupo	rangergord: i'm not friends with ananke, don't make things up
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2021-05-26 22:38:46	jessia	about that libera thing ...irc is bloat use carier pidgeons ...it has much smaller source code
2021-05-26 22:38:47	ayecee	cferry: the kernel doesn't care. the value of the variable is resolved before the kernel sees it.
2021-05-26 22:38:49	altwulf	##linux is unaffected *to date*. No promises can be made.
2021-05-26 22:38:51	ananke	rangergord: so what, 2? I also like how you ignore the fact that new freenode took over channels that merely mentioned the other network in the topic.
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2021-05-26 22:39:09	cferry	ayecee, that's what I had in mind. Do you know if this is a common practice?
2021-05-26 22:39:17	cferry	Thank you very much BTW
2021-05-26 22:39:28	shimbles	the new freenode should provide receipts showing how the money was spent when after they allowed freenode to be sold; that way, in the future, when they sell this libera thing, we'll have an idea of what they play to do with the money then
2021-05-26 22:39:29	ayecee	altwulf: come on man. cut it out with the doom suggestions.
2021-05-26 22:39:43	altwulf	ayecee: you're not seeing what i'm seeing. It's depressing.
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2021-05-26 22:39:55	rangergord	ananke: you mean those he gave back at 3:30AM, 30 minutes after taking control? And then rasengan apologizing and saying it was an accident and order restored?
2021-05-26 22:40:18	altwulf	I interpret rasengan's "apology" as a legal dodge.
2021-05-26 22:40:35	enrh	In any case, it was bullshit
2021-05-26 22:40:37	ayecee	definitely bad optics regardless of the reason
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2021-05-26 22:41:01	enrh	He's a tyrrant
2021-05-26 22:41:30	enrh	s/rr/r
2021-05-26 22:41:39	ayecee	so how about back to linux eh
2021-05-26 22:42:25	ananke	rangergord: those few? sure, they were reinstated. others weren't.
2021-05-26 22:42:29	ayecee	this is the specific kind of offtopic that we normally try to avoid, the kind that makes people yell at each other and wish for a way to punch each other over the internet.
2021-05-26 22:42:30	altwulf	Kinda hard to remember that with all the passion splattering everything in sight. :\
2021-05-26 22:42:39	shimbles	they sold sourceforge and freenode
2021-05-26 22:42:42	triceratux	how about that element.io matrix client on lubuntu 21.04
2021-05-26 22:42:44	shimbles	next they are going to sell linus
2021-05-26 22:42:57	altwulf	They were re-instated on a *case by case* basis by staff. The restorations were not automatic.
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2021-05-26 22:43:28	rangergord	gorodtaet: good job bro
2021-05-26 22:43:54	rangergord	gorodtaet: thought I saw you leaving and rejoining like 100 times. And it kept saying "gorodtaet is typing...".
2021-05-26 22:44:35	triceratux	rangergord: never heard of matrix until this morning. that bridge is a *kludge* :D
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2021-05-26 22:45:49	triceratux	ill have to spend tomorrow reading about what i did :)
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2021-05-26 22:46:34	rangergord	gorodtaet: yeah it's annoying, but what can I say, you get scrollback, notifications, etc, without having to configure stuff (other than their atrocious bridge bot one time)
2021-05-26 22:46:40	ayecee	cferry: oh! i was going to answer. it's fairly common, though I guess using a variable declared as constant might be more common.
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2021-05-26 22:46:46	rangergord	also persistent sessions via your web browser from any PC
2021-05-26 22:47:01	rangergord	and your IP is hidden so the mentally ill can't go after you
2021-05-26 22:47:14	cferry	ayecee, really? but the whole purpose of this var is to change according to CPU load. A const wouldn't do the trick
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2021-05-26 22:47:55	ayecee	cferry: it's not common to change the polling interval like that.
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2021-05-26 22:48:54	altwulf	Yeah, a static poll interval is usually best.
2021-05-26 22:49:14	cferry	ayecee, so I'm assuming if CPU usage is high, there should be other mechanisms to avoid overusage? how can I set an epoll to its minimum without overusing the server when is not doing anything?
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2021-05-26 22:49:23	ayecee	eh. don't know that i'd call that best.
2021-05-26 22:49:39	ayecee	not without a bunch of boring qualifiers.
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2021-05-26 22:50:54	ayecee	cferry: programs are not normally written to change their behavior based on system load.
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2021-05-26 22:51:47	 *	[R] takes a load off
2021-05-26 22:51:51	ayecee	instead you'd use a polling interval that provides satisfactory responsiveness, and leave it at that.
2021-05-26 22:52:05	rangergord	[R]: heyoooo
2021-05-26 22:52:29	cferry	so, it'd be better to add some throttling on the command processor..
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2021-05-26 22:52:48	ayecee	cferry: also no
2021-05-26 22:53:23	cferry	no fake lag?
2021-05-26 22:53:49	ayecee	... what
2021-05-26 22:54:29	cferry	when the server is overloaded, maybe it'd be wiser to process requests a bit slower to the server can reduce usage before crashing on exahustation
2021-05-26 22:54:52	ayecee	how will processing them slower reduce usage
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2021-05-26 22:55:39	ayecee	the requests are still there, they're still taking up resources. processing them slower makes them stay there taking up resources longer.
2021-05-26 22:56:02	 *	[R] steals all of ayecee
2021-05-26 22:56:04	[R]	's resources
2021-05-26 22:56:20	cferry	Yes. Once commands are processed, a query is sent to a thread, which is what really consumes the CPU. The command request itself does not consume much
2021-05-26 22:56:22	cferry	it's what happens after
2021-05-26 22:56:39	cferry	we process query requests inside threads
2021-05-26 22:56:52	cferry	 the command itself, is in the main thread..
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2021-05-26 22:57:00	cferry	which uses little cpu
2021-05-26 22:57:08	ayecee	more commonly addressed with rate limiting and not "fake lag"
2021-05-26 22:57:17	cferry	yes! rate limiting, correct
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2021-05-26 22:57:52	ayecee	rate limiting the requests, not the polling interval
2021-05-26 22:58:05	ayecee	rejecting requests past a certain rate
2021-05-26 22:58:34	cferry	what's a good approach for this? comparing two time_t ? like last and most recent request
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2021-05-26 23:00:37	ayecee	maybe a token bucket, where each requests increments a token count, and the count is decremented at intervals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Token_bucket
2021-05-26 23:01:12	cferry	will check
2021-05-26 23:01:12	cferry	thanks
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2021-05-26 23:02:54	autopsy	my anus is a token bucket ayecee
2021-05-26 23:03:07	altwulf	[R], you're a lousy typer, you know that?
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2021-05-26 23:03:30	[R]	altwulf: there's two words you should never say... one is lousy, and the other is swell
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2021-05-26 23:03:54	ayecee	and the trap is set
2021-05-26 23:04:08	altwulf	What can I say? I'm old (but not, mind, too old to "swell" yet...)
2021-05-26 23:04:26	altwulf	autopsy, aren't you late for your meds?
2021-05-26 23:04:47	autopsy	my anus meds
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2021-05-26 23:07:15	altwulf	autopsy: mind the decorum.
2021-05-26 23:07:28	 *	[R] decorates altwulf 
2021-05-26 23:07:55	altwulf	you keep your filthy rbox paws OFF me, you indecorous PERV!
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2021-05-26 23:08:32	ayecee	zero to shriek in 8 seconds flat
2021-05-26 23:08:44	autopsy	lol
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2021-05-26 23:10:33	altwulf	I was waiting for [R] to tell me to quit making up words.
2021-05-26 23:11:03	cferry	who manages this channel btw? how come some folks can be so gross?. This place is supposed to be for linux stuff
2021-05-26 23:11:22	ayecee	cferry: the people who manage this channel have largely moved off to libera.
2021-05-26 23:11:40	cferry	so freenode is the new myspace?
2021-05-26 23:11:46	ayecee	heh
2021-05-26 23:11:54	ayecee	gonna remember that one
2021-05-26 23:12:05	altwulf	cferry: ##linux has never been overly strict about enforcing rules about decorum and stuff, and more about just trying to maintain an air of casual civility.
2021-05-26 23:12:34	altwulf	Autopsy skates a lot.
2021-05-26 23:12:34	ayecee	cferry: however that dude is always gross with rare consequences.
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2021-05-26 23:12:54	ayecee	will not be missed
2021-05-26 23:13:24	enrh	Freenode is dead! Long live Libera!
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2021-05-26 23:13:31	ayecee	come on man
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2021-05-26 23:15:12	autopsy	butt
2021-05-26 23:15:14	cferry	ayecee, I'm trying to setup an small project btw: http://docs.beryl.dev/
2021-05-26 23:15:17	cferry	it's a nosql
2021-05-26 23:15:29	cferry	I'm using rocksdb https://github.com/beryldb/beryldb
2021-05-26 23:15:49	altwulf	autopsy: come on, man. I'm in a really rotten mood with all the crap that's coming down. Nobody needs yours. Behave.
2021-05-26 23:17:02	 *	ayecee peers at the disguise
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2021-05-26 23:17:23	ayecee	you got me, old man
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2021-05-26 23:17:42	altwulf	It's not a disguise. Nothing sensitive is attached to this account. I took this measure when they started staffing thugs.
2021-05-26 23:17:56	ayecee	that's what makes it a disguise!
2021-05-26 23:18:12	altwulf	New face! New name! Hell, new ZIP CODE!
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2021-05-26 23:19:59	Tech_8	sup
2021-05-26 23:20:12	autopsy	sup nigr
2021-05-26 23:20:17	ayecee	reminds me of the python sketch with the criminals who don't break the law. "guess we'd better give ourselves up." "we can't boss, we haven't done anything illegal!"
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2021-05-26 23:22:13	cferry	so, tomorrow will be a busy day trying to implement a rate limiter
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2021-05-26 23:22:21	cferry	will need some coffee haha
2021-05-26 23:22:31	ayecee	good times :)
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2021-05-26 23:22:55	ayecee	\o/
2021-05-26 23:23:01	Tech_8	cferry: a network device?
2021-05-26 23:23:21	altwulf	Unfortunately, bans are apt to be permanent now.
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2021-05-26 23:23:33	cferry	non, it's a non relational database: https://github.com/beryldb/beryldb (http://docs.beryl.dev/)
2021-05-26 23:23:42	cferry	we do some epoll work and needs fixing
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2021-05-26 23:25:04	Tech_8	cferry: and what does the rate limiter do?
2021-05-26 23:25:10	[R]	it limits the rate!
2021-05-26 23:25:11	[R]	duh
2021-05-26 23:25:25	Tech_8	of how many people can access the database?
2021-05-26 23:25:43	ayecee	of how many queries can be executed at once
2021-05-26 23:25:48	ayecee	more likely
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2021-05-26 23:26:10	cferry	close, limits the amounts of queries that can be sent within a second.. the idea is to prevent resource exhaustion (server may crash with 1,000,000 queries in a sec)
2021-05-26 23:26:30	cferry	been working in the tests these days.. works great all the way 200,000 queries per sec
2021-05-26 23:26:53	Tech_8	so what do you do code a script or something?
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2021-05-26 23:27:14	ayecee	is there a way to reject a query in your case, or do you pretty much just have to let them pile up?
2021-05-26 23:27:20	cferry	limiting concurrent users is super easy and already implemented, it's just an if: https://github.com/beryldb/beryldb/blob/unstable/src/clientmanager.cpp#L153
2021-05-26 23:27:28	cferry	oh, I wish.. no.. It's a whole new class..
2021-05-26 23:28:37	ayecee	one problem with rate limiting like that is that it's hard to adapt them to changing circumstances
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2021-05-26 23:29:46	cferry	ayecee, Yes.. that's very easy. We do modular coding, so it'd be a simple condition when running any command, for instance this is the handle for "SET": https://github.com/beryldb/beryldb/blob/unstable/src/coremods/core_keys/cmd_set.cpp#L27
2021-05-26 23:29:49	cferry	which is explained here: https://docs.beryl.dev/commands/set/
2021-05-26 23:30:00	ayecee	so either the rate limiting will be too aggressive and you'll give up performance, or too conservative and you'll still have the problem, maybe less often.
2021-05-26 23:30:14	cferry	that's my major concern.. a rate limiter that will use too many resources
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2021-05-26 23:30:24	cferry	I'm thinking about using two time_t but that may not be enough
2021-05-26 23:30:28	ayecee	cferry: i'd like to be interested in the links but i'm really not.
2021-05-26 23:30:42	ayecee	sorry about that.
2021-05-26 23:30:49	cferry	happens all the time, don't worry
2021-05-26 23:30:53	ayecee	:)
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2021-05-26 23:31:43	ayecee	i'm craving jelly beans and i don't know why.
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2021-05-26 23:33:12	[R]	ayecee: i think you're a few months late
2021-05-26 23:34:00	ayecee	aww, they're not in season any more :(
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2021-05-26 23:36:48	Tech_8	jelly bean
2021-05-26 23:36:53	Tech_8	whats your fav color
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2021-05-26 23:37:13	Tech_8	I think I like red or green
2021-05-26 23:37:28	ayecee	green or black
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2021-05-26 23:37:55	[R]	black!?
2021-05-26 23:37:55	Tech_8	do you eat calbury eggs on easter
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2021-05-26 23:38:06	[R]	ayecee: i think you need your head examined
2021-05-26 23:38:28	ayecee	black jelly beans are very polarizing
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2021-05-26 23:38:47	Tech_8	I forget what they taste like
2021-05-26 23:38:57	ayecee	they taste like anise, like black licorice
2021-05-26 23:38:57	Tech_8	probaly like black licorce
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2021-05-26 23:39:10	ayecee	like sambuca or ouzo
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2021-05-26 23:40:22	ayecee	people seem to either really like or really dislike that flavor
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2021-05-26 23:42:00	Tech_8	have you ever had pop rocks
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2021-05-26 23:49:53	altwulf	Mmm... anise...
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2021-05-26 23:53:31	ayecee	i think so. been a long time though.
2021-05-26 23:53:44	[R]	🎶 it's been such a long time...
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2021-05-27 00:09:31	Tech_8	sup
2021-05-27 00:11:01	klys	Z
2021-05-27 00:11:13	Tech_8	what
2021-05-27 00:11:16	Tech_8	ctrl Z?
2021-05-27 00:11:21	klys	im asleep
2021-05-27 00:11:29	Tech_8	:: gives you coffee ::
2021-05-27 00:11:34	klys	:)
2021-05-27 00:13:04	jim	you must be sleep typing...
2021-05-27 00:13:19	Tech_8	hi jim
2021-05-27 00:13:23	jim	hi
2021-05-27 00:13:31	Tech_8	what you been up too
2021-05-27 00:13:34	Tech_8	setting up servers?
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2021-05-27 00:13:49	jim	no, the other folks are doing that
2021-05-27 00:14:05	jim	I set up a few channels
2021-05-27 00:14:47	Tech_8	irc server?
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2021-05-27 01:55:07	altwulf	PSA: Users are advised to migrate to irc.libera.chat #perl (6697 TLS, 6667 cleartext) at their earliest conviennce. This channel may disappear without warning.
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2021-05-27 02:01:29	jim	#perl? did you mean #linux?
2021-05-27 02:02:09	jim	altwulf, in your PSA, you said #perl :)
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2021-05-27 02:04:37	altwulf	jim, yeah, I'm daft.
2021-05-27 02:04:57	altwulf	PSA: Users are advised to migrate to irc.libera.chat #linux (6697 TLS, 6667 cleartext) at their earliest conviennce. This channel may disappear without warning.
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2021-05-27 02:05:17	jim	much better :)
2021-05-27 02:05:33	altwulf	Not much else we can do. Once the Wild One decides that's it, we're taillights.
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2021-05-27 02:14:34	rindolf	jim: altwulf : hi all! i'm sticking with freenode for now: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=sharp-gnu--freenode-takeover ; also "Somewhat counter to common psychological dictate, I noticed now that when I get angry on the epistemological demons that contort my prcption, tasks go smoother and faster."
2021-05-27 02:15:11	jim	rindolf, sticking with freenode is of course your choice
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2021-05-27 02:16:32	jim	rindolf, and, best of luck.
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2021-05-27 02:17:54	 *	rindolf is as badass as fluttershy: https://www.shlomifish.org/Files/files/images/captioned-image--badass-fluttershy--terminator-liberation-803.webp
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2021-05-27 02:24:50	rindolf	jim: thanks! sup?
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2021-05-27 04:21:04	altwulf	rindolf: do as you like, but understand this channel may go ::POOF:: at any time. When the Founder says "OK, enough bullshit", we're taillights.
2021-05-27 04:22:08	rindolf	altwulf: sure, only time can tell
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2021-05-27 04:23:32	rindolf	altwulf: https://biblehub.com/parallel/1_kings/20-11.htm - << The king of Israel answered, "Tell him: 'One who puts on his armor should not boast like one who takes it off.'">>
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2021-05-27 04:25:42	rindolf	<< They even said the CVS version control system will not be replaced, but Subversion did mostly supplant it, and now git is the dominant version-control system.
2021-05-27 04:25:42	rindolf	They likely thought the Christian crusaders during Saladin's time will remain fanatical to Jesus. Well, most of them did not denounce their faith, but proclaimed Jesus told them that returning to fight Saladin was pointless. Some people would now call that "common sense", and I was told there are now several Christian interpretations of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had two Jewish actresses in leading
2021-05-27 04:25:42	rindolf	roles ( Sarah Michelle Gellar, and Alyson Hannigan ) and had a strong occult general theme.>>
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2021-05-27 04:32:10	node1	 Do any support is being provided for ` ID 534d:2109 MACROSILICON USB3.0 HD VIDEO` USB to HDMI cable on Linux? to connect extra monitor?
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2021-05-27 04:32:25	node1	 This is the product http://wiistar.com/index.php?m=goods&a=details&content_id=223
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2021-05-27 04:34:58	Nickwiz	Isn't that a capture device?
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2021-05-27 04:36:22	node1	And how about for this  ` ID 534d:2109 MACROSILICON USB3.0 HD VIDEO`
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2021-05-27 04:36:50	Nekuskus	I'm not that knowledgeable about this but, wouldn't a simple usb to hdmi converter work with some config?
2021-05-27 04:36:56	Nekuskus	Or maybe enen without any
2021-05-27 04:36:58	node1	Yes it's  HD VIDEO CAPTURE device ID 534d:2109 MACROSILICON USB3.0 HD VIDEO`
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2021-05-27 04:37:30	Nickwiz	Yes, so it has input. You want to use it for output?
2021-05-27 04:37:48	node1	This is the simple one, USB3.0 to HDMI convertor ID 534d:6021 MACROSILICON usb extscreen
2021-05-27 04:37:48	node1	 
2021-05-27 04:38:39	Nickwiz	That is a completely different product.
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2021-05-27 04:38:51	node1	I want to use as extra monitor to connect. My laptop has USB 3.0 port. And my extra monitor has HDMI port. So i'm trying to use these two cable to work on Linux
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2021-05-27 04:40:48	genewitch	I want to run a 3 mailbox system (for now) on multiple domains. I want webmaster@ and genewitch@ and *@ for all the domains. What do i need to do?
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2021-05-27 04:41:12	rindolf	genewitch: hi
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2021-05-27 04:41:17	genewitch	rindolf: howdy!
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2021-05-27 04:41:44	rindolf	genewitch: which MTA (email server sw)?
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2021-05-27 04:42:06	aswin	Hi, Are AMD Radeon drivers are open source?
2021-05-27 04:42:06	genewitch	i don't know, rindolf. It doesn't matter as long as those criterae are met
2021-05-27 04:42:27	genewitch	aswin: does it matter?
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2021-05-27 04:42:47	Nickwiz	node1: So you want something like this? https://www.amazon.com/Adapter-Graphics-Convertor-Multiple-Monitors/dp/B07BXR3PGH
2021-05-27 04:43:11	rindolf	genewitch: it does matter as they are configged diffly
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2021-05-27 04:43:38	aswin	I wanted AMD Radeon cards to work on Raspberry Pi  Raspberry Pi hardware.
2021-05-27 04:44:01	genewitch	rindolf: all i care about is that three logins exist for mailboxes, that can receive mail for those three things. allmail goes to *@, genewitch goes to genewitch, and webmaster goes to webmaster
2021-05-27 04:44:02	rindolf	genewitch: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/image-macros/indiv-nodes/set_up_email_service.xhtml
2021-05-27 04:44:02	aswin	there are lots of failed attempts to get Nvidia cards working on Raspberry Pi
2021-05-27 04:44:05	ZenixOwler	question about Arch installation, currently my installation detect an interface called "ens33" but it doesn't seem to get connected to the gateway ( ip route shows nothing ), is there anyhow i can connect it in order to get to the internet ?
2021-05-27 04:44:12	node1	Nickwiz, Yes i have that product also with myself. But it does not worked on Linux
2021-05-27 04:44:14	ZenixOwler	or else it's kinda impossible to install the base systems
2021-05-27 04:44:34	Nickwiz	Do not understand how you want to use a capture device to display. Isn't that like asking a webcam to be a monitor?
2021-05-27 04:44:54	genewitch	rindolf: i have about a dozen domains, all small, no spam, i only want to *send* mail from genewitch. but i want to capture all email ever to all the domains.
2021-05-27 04:45:31	genewitch	Nickwiz: an LED, when exposed to light, will show a voltage across its pins. A solar panel, when exposed to current, will shine like an LED.
2021-05-27 04:45:47	rindolf	aswin: rpi? just buy an https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Unit_of_Computing / etc. time >>> money
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2021-05-27 04:47:13	genewitch	NUC are $$$$
2021-05-27 04:47:15	rindolf	aswin: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/money_cant_buy_you_love.xhtml ;
2021-05-27 04:47:35	genewitch	if you want to do NUC but less money odroid has a bunch of stuff
2021-05-27 04:47:36	aswin	rindolf: Why Rapsberry Pi? Beacause I wanted to get it running on an ARM architecture.
2021-05-27 04:47:41	genewitch	why
2021-05-27 04:47:44	genewitch	why arm
2021-05-27 04:47:44	node1	Okay forget about `ID 534d:2109 MACROSILICON USB3.0 HD VIDEO` I have purchase another USB3.0 to HDMI cable i.e `ID 534d:6021 MACROSILICON usb extscreen` but it's also not working.
2021-05-27 04:47:47	genewitch	why not sparc
2021-05-27 04:48:02	rindolf	genewitch: a pizza slice cost $$$ too
2021-05-27 04:48:22	aswin	rindolf: There are too many failed attempts to get it work on RPi so that kinda challenge me
2021-05-27 04:48:33	genewitch	rindolf: yes, but NUC are kinda like media center PC, if you don't need all the stuff in a NUC it's better to pare it off
2021-05-27 04:49:13	rindolf	genewitch: fine - then buy a desktop box
2021-05-27 04:49:14	genewitch	also intel owns the "NUC" name and intel is clown shoes
2021-05-27 04:49:31	genewitch	right, if you're gunna buy a desktop box may as well be ryzen, imo
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2021-05-27 04:49:47	rindolf	or a laptop
2021-05-27 04:49:50	genewitch	sure
2021-05-27 04:49:58	genewitch	i am typing to you on a ryzen laptop
2021-05-27 04:50:02	genewitch	4800H
2021-05-27 04:50:30	genewitch	ssh into some gentoo box on a ryzen something. i paid for it i forgot what it is
2021-05-27 04:50:35	rindolf	aswin: i suggest picking better fights
2021-05-27 04:50:36	genewitch	it's very far away
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2021-05-27 04:54:31	genewitch	what did these knuckleheads rename fedora
2021-05-27 04:54:37	genewitch	sorry, not fedora
2021-05-27 04:54:38	genewitch	redhat
2021-05-27 04:54:44	genewitch	sorry not redhat, centOS
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2021-05-27 04:54:54	aswin	rindolf: I am sorry I am not here for a fight. It was a genuine question. I don't know what makes you think its a fight
2021-05-27 04:55:01	rindolf	aswin: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism - «Utilitarianism is a family of normative ethical theories that prescribe actions that maximize happiness and well-being for all affected individuals» - i dont take it as gospel though
2021-05-27 04:55:08	genewitch	aswin: RPi are garbage.
2021-05-27 04:55:30	genewitch	aswin: they're built to a price. if you need an mCU that does what rpi does, it's perfect.
2021-05-27 04:56:10	genewitch	aswin: i have rpi for hosting video and i have a special built heatsinked rpi4 for doing doppler radar and radio direction finding. It links to an app on the phone and everything for search and rescue.
2021-05-27 04:56:15	rindolf	aswin: i mean 'fight' as in 'struggle', 'hacktivity', 'conception'
2021-05-27 04:56:34	genewitch	I gave my neighbor an rpi3 to replace his 15 year old windows desktop
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2021-05-27 04:56:49	koollman	genewitch: receiving mail is rather easy. sending mail in a somewhat half-reliable way is hard
2021-05-27 04:56:56	rindolf	genewitch: heh, cool
2021-05-27 04:57:03	genewitch	koollman: let's say i don't care about sending for now
2021-05-27 04:57:14	genewitch	koollman: i just want to receive mail aimed at all dozen domain names
2021-05-27 04:57:34	DuClare	Just run a mail server
2021-05-27 04:57:38	DuClare	Point domains at it
2021-05-27 04:57:39	DuClare	Done
2021-05-27 04:57:41	genewitch	yes that's my question
2021-05-27 04:57:43	genewitch	what mail server
2021-05-27 04:57:53	DuClare	Posfix seems popular
2021-05-27 04:57:56	Nickwiz	node1: It does not look very promising from what I can find.
2021-05-27 04:57:58	DuClare	I prefer opensmtpd
2021-05-27 04:58:11	genewitch	look guys i'm just a dang devops scrunchie architecture guy
2021-05-27 04:58:19	genewitch	I dunno about "apps"
2021-05-27 04:58:31	genewitch	DuClare: thank you.
2021-05-27 04:58:43	genewitch	DuClare: that does rx of mail?
2021-05-27 04:58:55	DuClare	Yes
2021-05-27 04:58:59	DuClare	Both can also send of course
2021-05-27 04:58:59	genewitch	awesome
2021-05-27 04:59:02	koollman	postfix or opensmtpd are good choices
2021-05-27 04:59:05	genewitch	idgaf about send
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2021-05-27 04:59:08	rindolf	aswin: noone in his right mind will use a costy videocard with an ultracheap and underpowered computer
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2021-05-27 04:59:22	genewitch	i also am going to call fastmail tomorrow to ask how much they'll charge me
2021-05-27 04:59:38	genewitch	I pay them currently like $12 a year or something for my email account
2021-05-27 04:59:59	genewitch	literally 0 complaints. so if it's like $60 a year to do what i want, that's cool too
2021-05-27 05:00:29	genewitch	i have the dkim or whatever on the dns, i don't even remember how i set that up
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2021-05-27 05:00:53	ZenixOwler	hello
2021-05-27 05:01:09	genewitch	the usual response is "just use google apps" or whatever google's hosted domain stuff is called
2021-05-27 05:01:13	genewitch	ZenixOwler: howdy
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2021-05-27 05:02:17	genewitch	who wants to have a flamewar? here: Boo systemd.
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2021-05-27 05:07:31	ZenixOwler	so i am trying to install Arch through VMware but it doesn't seem to detect my interface even though i do have one "ens33", how cna i connect it manually please ?
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2021-05-27 05:11:29	rindolf	genewitch: heh ;) https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/guidelines_as_dogma.xhtml
2021-05-27 05:11:59	rindolf	<< I've heard a Jew and a Muslim argue in a Damascus café with less passion than the Emacs wars. >>
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2021-05-27 05:13:59	lesshaste	I have a large text file where some of the lines end ^M"   . I can see this with cat -A.  Does anyone know what could have made that and is it an encoding?
2021-05-27 05:14:55	DuClare	That's a carriage return
2021-05-27 05:15:08	lesshaste	DuClare,  there is a " after it
2021-05-27 05:15:10	jjakob	lesshaste: DOS line endings
2021-05-27 05:15:20	lesshaste	jjakob, it is always ^M"
2021-05-27 05:15:23	lesshaste	note the "
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2021-05-27 05:15:32	lesshaste	that comes at the end of the line
2021-05-27 05:15:37	jjakob	if you run "file yourfile.txt" it'll say
2021-05-27 05:15:49	rindolf	lesshaste: hi
2021-05-27 05:15:54	lesshaste	but it's only on some of the lines
2021-05-27 05:16:16	jjakob	then someone edited it with an editor that didn't respect the existing line endings
2021-05-27 05:16:20	lesshaste	could this come from a different language encoding?
2021-05-27 05:16:21	jjakob	which is naughty of them
2021-05-27 05:16:32	jjakob	not really
2021-05-27 05:16:43	rindolf	lesshaste: sounds like misbehaving tools
2021-05-27 05:16:56	jjakob	you have dos2unix that'll fix it
2021-05-27 05:17:07	lesshaste	ah ok. Thanks. I don't know what you would get from a chinese source for example
2021-05-27 05:17:16	lesshaste	jjakob, that won't fix ^M" will it?
2021-05-27 05:17:27	lesshaste	I mean it will fix ^M but then I am left with "
2021-05-27 05:17:27	rindolf	perl -lp -E 's/\r//g'
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2021-05-27 05:17:39	rindolf	untested
2021-05-27 05:17:45	lesshaste	rindolf,  is that dealing with the " too?
2021-05-27 05:17:50	jjakob	lesshaste: the langiage doesn't really matter, it matters whether the endings are \r\n or just \n
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2021-05-27 05:18:07	jjakob	rindolf: why do that if ou have dos2unix
2021-05-27 05:18:11	lesshaste	I feel people are ignore the " after the ^M
2021-05-27 05:18:14	lesshaste	ifnoring
2021-05-27 05:18:15	rindolf	lesshaste: no, it does not
2021-05-27 05:18:17	lesshaste	ignoring :)
2021-05-27 05:18:18	jjakob	dos2unix is purpose made to deal with this
2021-05-27 05:18:41	lesshaste	I think it's something else because it is only for some lines and it is always ^M" not ^M
2021-05-27 05:19:07	rindolf	jjakob: \r not right before the \n?
2021-05-27 05:19:09	lesshaste	sadly I can't google ^M"
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2021-05-27 05:19:21	jjakob	that's probably just someone copy-pasting the ^M and adding a quote after it
2021-05-27 05:19:28	jjakob	how should I know
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2021-05-27 05:20:05	lesshaste	separate question.. I have just been sent a large pdf of job applicants. But every page seems to be an image so I can't search it. What tool would cause this horror?
2021-05-27 05:20:20	rindolf	lesshaste: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline
2021-05-27 05:20:41	lesshaste	rindolf, that isn't telling me about the "
2021-05-27 05:20:58	jjakob	you can better see what's going on with cat file | hexdump -C or cat file | od -ta
2021-05-27 05:21:13	lesshaste	jjakob, why is that better than cat -A ?
2021-05-27 05:22:03	rindolf	lesshaste: ok...
2021-05-27 05:22:09	jjakob	because you can see every character exactly and its hex representation like it is in the file
2021-05-27 05:22:29	jjakob	cat will pretty-format it
2021-05-27 05:22:47	jjakob	like it will still treat \n as line endings
2021-05-27 05:23:03	rindolf	lesshaste: there are https://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/resources/editors-and-IDEs/#open-hex-editors too
2021-05-27 05:23:18	lesshaste	jjakob, thanks
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2021-05-27 05:23:42	lesshaste	jjakob, doesn't cat -A use $ for newline?
2021-05-27 05:24:14	jjakob	I mean more accurately, cat -S will convert nonprintable characters into the display form and pass \n unchanged so the shell interprets them as newlines
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2021-05-27 05:24:22	jjakob	s/-S/-A/
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2021-05-27 05:24:33	lesshaste	ok
2021-05-27 05:24:36	lesshaste	that's not bad
2021-05-27 05:24:49	jjakob	that's cause -A has -E which is "display $ at end of each line"
2021-05-27 05:25:11	lesshaste	anyone suggest a tool to OCR a pdf full of images?
2021-05-27 05:25:28	jjakob	I don't know the ^ and M- notations for characters, it's easier just to look up the hex code in a ascii table
2021-05-27 05:25:31	altwulf	Public service announcement: see the /topic. Current FN staff is unstable, and this channel may go ::POOF!:: without warning at any time.
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2021-05-27 05:25:51	jjakob	lesshaste: Abby
2021-05-27 05:25:56	lesshaste	jjakob, oh that's interesting. Might there be a M-" ?
2021-05-27 05:26:02	lesshaste	how can I look that up?
2021-05-27 05:26:02	ZenixOwler	so no one has encountered the similar Arch issues as i had :( ?
2021-05-27 05:26:11	jjakob	not free or open-source, but I know it works
2021-05-27 05:26:25	lesshaste	jjakob, jjakob ah I need free
2021-05-27 05:26:33	jjakob	lesshaste: no idea, it would show M- if it was M-
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2021-05-27 05:27:32	jjakob	give me a hexdump or od representation of one of the lines with a "
2021-05-27 05:27:53	lesshaste	jjakob, I will try to do that in a few days.
2021-05-27 05:28:03	lesshaste	I am not worried we should all be on libera which I have never used
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2021-05-27 05:29:10	jjakob	altwulf: AFAIK, they only do stuff to channels that spam with mirror bots
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2021-05-27 05:29:31	jjakob	or channels that try to force people to move
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2021-05-27 05:31:32	lesshaste	ocrmypdf ....
2021-05-27 05:31:36	lesshaste	running now
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2021-05-27 05:31:58	lesshaste	https://ocrmypdf.readthedocs.io/en/latest/
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2021-05-27 05:32:21	ayekat[old]	jjakob: based on what happened yesterday, they also like to nuke channels that merely mention in their topics that they have moved
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2021-05-27 05:34:57	lesshaste	that really worked miraculously well!
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2021-05-27 06:09:48	rindolf	pulse: hey, how are you? ltns
2021-05-27 06:10:04	pulse	hey rindolf, i'm ok. you?
2021-05-27 06:10:24	pulse	i've been taking a break from tech in general
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2021-05-27 06:12:43	rindolf	pulse: i'm fine - had a chat with a lovely young-looking lady about my fics about she-who-must-not-be-named
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2021-05-27 06:14:11	rindolf	i was wearing my #SelinaMandrake printshopped shirt and her dog liked me
2021-05-27 06:17:03	rindolf	pulse: ah, breaks are good sometimes
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2021-05-27 06:18:22	rindolf	well, the dog was a little hostile at first
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2021-05-27 06:20:31	pulse	rindolf, heh, nice
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2021-05-27 06:24:23	rindolf	pulse: yes; she said she had a bf though, but finding a gf was not the point of the conversation
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2021-05-27 06:30:47	swensson	Hey, anyone have any tips on software like Dreamweaver?
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2021-05-27 06:31:40	rindolf	swensson: hi
2021-05-27 06:32:05	rindolf	swensson: WINE / etc?
2021-05-27 06:32:15	Prestige	Do you mean how to use Dreamweaver?
2021-05-27 06:32:16	swensson	Ahhhh... Smart!
2021-05-27 06:32:34	swensson	I'll try with wine, totally forgot that exists
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2021-05-27 06:33:24	gkm027	A virtual machine would be great or find some linux alternatives
2021-05-27 06:34:09	rindolf	swensson: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)
2021-05-27 06:34:36	rindolf	gkm027: what?
2021-05-27 06:35:03	gkm027	rindolf: a virtual machine with windows in it?
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2021-05-27 06:36:33	swensson	I'm going to use a VM as soon as I get a solid connection and not on 4g....
2021-05-27 06:36:47	rindolf	swensson: i suggest against depending on non-foss though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)
2021-05-27 06:37:02	swensson	"Non-foss"? =)
2021-05-27 06:37:29	gkm027	Then dreamweaver is a non-foss then
2021-05-27 06:39:15	jjakob	Wine is FOSS, what you run in it usually isn't
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2021-05-27 06:39:36	jjakob	free as in freedom, not free beer
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2021-05-27 06:40:23	Prestige	isn't dreamweaver like a drag-n-drop web design application?
2021-05-27 06:40:36	gkm027	yes
2021-05-27 06:40:46	swensson	Yeah something like that, not using that function tho :)
2021-05-27 06:41:00	Nickwiz	wysiwyg thing
2021-05-27 06:41:11	Prestige	What are you doing with it?
2021-05-27 06:41:46	jjakob	I'm sure there are other FOSS alternatives for static site design
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2021-05-27 06:42:41	immibis[fnIsDead	one is not mandated to always use FOSS
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2021-05-27 06:42:52	immibis[fnIsDead	only rms is
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2021-05-27 06:43:23	Prestige	Nobody said they were
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2021-05-27 06:46:09	jjakob	"suggest against"
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2021-05-27 06:47:03	jjakob	my personal policy is to absolutely always use FOSS unless very, very necessary or unavoidable
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2021-05-27 06:47:12	Noir	Same
2021-05-27 06:47:36	djph	I think that's a lot of us, jjakob
2021-05-27 06:48:10	jjakob	also OSS != FOSS, OSS can be close to proprietary a lot of times in its operation
2021-05-27 06:48:38	djph	yeah
2021-05-27 06:48:50	djph	libre/free and open-source don't mean the same thing
2021-05-27 06:48:51	jjakob	like if they give out source but you can't build it yourself, you still have to trust someone else that the binary they give you is actually just that source and not something else
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2021-05-27 06:51:59	immibis[fnIsDead	I like "visible source" for projects where you can see the source code but don't have FOSS rights. still very helpful when debugging
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2021-05-27 06:54:22	oxek	we have to say "source code available" instead so that we don't offend people with visual impairments
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2021-05-27 06:57:43	djph	oxek: eh?
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2021-05-27 06:58:07	oxek	djph: "visible source" is not very visible to vision-impaired people
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2021-05-27 06:59:34	djph	gotcha
2021-05-27 07:00:35	immibis[fnIsDead	this reads like parody to me
2021-05-27 07:00:45	immibis[fnIsDead	like how people say "i'm offended you won't recognize me as an attack helicopter"
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2021-05-27 07:01:53	oxek	it's all troublesome, and I suspect a lot of it is just money related. E.g. my company collects money from the government for employing me, because I am technically vision-impaired, but I can see just fine with glasses.
2021-05-27 07:02:36	COVID-1984	any idea why exporting a variable in .profile doesn't work but running it before the program does work?
2021-05-27 07:03:07	oxek	COVID-1984: .profile only gets read under certain conditions, make sure you meet them
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2021-05-27 07:03:18	rindolf	COVID-1984: hi
2021-05-27 07:03:21	COVID-1984	hi :)
2021-05-27 07:04:20	COVID-1984	oxek: well I'm running it as the same user who owns the .profile
2021-05-27 07:05:10	COVID-1984	nevermind, I think ~/.pam_environment is correct instead
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2021-05-27 07:05:51	rayyyy	COVID-1984, :P
2021-05-27 07:06:35	COVID-1984	sup :>
2021-05-27 07:07:09	COVID-1984	funny how for the first few months of "the pandemic" I got banned on sight for this name... and now after over a year of wearing masks like slaves people are starting to come around to it
2021-05-27 07:07:39	oxek	COVID-1984: still offtopic in here though
2021-05-27 07:07:47	COVID-1984	lol
2021-05-27 07:07:49	oxek	not the name, but the content of what you say
2021-05-27 07:07:57	swensson	Need to go back to the fking office. bbl
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2021-05-27 07:09:31	COVID-1984	gotta log out & login before /etc/environment works?
2021-05-27 07:09:59	Nickwiz	That's the pron industry for ya. They have offices for it.
2021-05-27 07:10:12	COVID-1984	ah all good, so should work on next login
2021-05-27 07:10:49	immibis[fnIsDead	oxek: this is the new freenode
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2021-05-27 07:10:55	immibis[fnIsDead	oxek: rightism is on topic
2021-05-27 07:10:56	Nickwiz	You could just ssh to localhost to check.
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2021-05-27 07:11:03	immibis[fnIsDead	or su
2021-05-27 07:11:35	oxek	immibis[fnIsDead: channel rules apply in here still, irrevelevant of what you think of network policies
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2021-05-27 07:14:06	immibis[fnIsDead	you would think so, but your channel will get seized if network staff don't like you
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2021-05-27 07:15:16	loganlee	Hi
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2021-05-27 07:16:03	Noir	Hi
2021-05-27 07:16:26	Noir	immibis[fnIsDead: If you're only still here to turn every channel into #anti-freenode-tantrum, why not just leave?
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2021-05-27 07:17:54	mattallmill_	oxek: s/irrevelevant/regardless/
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2021-05-27 07:18:14	nwoob	I am reading sander van vugt book for RHCSA and in it there is a line which says "for security reasons the current directory is not in the $PATH variable"
2021-05-27 07:18:23	oxek	mattallmill_: irregardless :p
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2021-05-27 07:18:36	nwoob	can someone explain me how is that a security risk
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2021-05-27 07:19:04	oxek	nwoob: because I could create an executable called `sudo` in current dir
2021-05-27 07:19:32	oxek	or `ls` or anything else
2021-05-27 07:19:48	oxek	and you can probably tell why that would be bad from a security point of view
2021-05-27 07:20:01	nwoob	I don't understand how does that makes a security risk if i don't run it
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2021-05-27 07:20:29	oxek	because if it is in $PATH, and you cd into that dir and then do `ls`, it runs that `ls` instead of the one in /bin/ls
2021-05-27 07:20:36	mattallmill_	oxek: Means the same thing
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2021-05-27 07:21:48	ananke	nwoob: just because _you_ don't run it, doesn't mean that there isn't a _risk_ of _somebody_ doing it by accident
2021-05-27 07:21:54	djph	nwoob: if oxek creates a script called "ls" and sticks it into your $HOME (for example), and his bofh-ls is just running "rm -rf" .... well ... you're not exactly gonna get a listing of the directory (although, you will have 4MB available on your account, so congrats?)
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2021-05-27 07:23:02	COVID-1984	immibis[fnIsDead: ya no one gets that... they prove it by how they run their lives... and countries... and it is all coming down :) A blessing, I believe.
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2021-05-27 07:23:54	nwoob	oh ok understood oxek ananke and djph thanks for example that helped.
2021-05-27 07:24:00	djph	note, of course, the assumption is that $PATH = .:[...] ;or some variation thereto, where "current directory" is chosen with priority over /bin or /usr/bin (etc.)
2021-05-27 07:25:47	ananke	preventing accidents also extends to other things. say CWD is in $PATH as the last element, so it will NOT take precedence for things such as ls. however, it's easy to make a mistake and intend to run 'ls somefileinthisdir' and omit 'ls' part
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2021-05-27 07:27:21	djph	^
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2021-05-27 07:33:57	mnbvv	How can I set a message to be echoed upon starting a terminal emulator?
2021-05-27 07:35:20	Nekuskus	add it to your ~/.bashrc file
2021-05-27 07:35:23	koollman	adding it to the shell init file could work. in ~/.bashrc for example
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2021-05-27 07:35:46	mnbvv	And if I want it to display for all users?
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2021-05-27 07:35:58	oxek	mnbvv: then the global bashrc
2021-05-27 07:36:16	koollman	why do you want to inflict that to all users ?
2021-05-27 07:36:26	Nekuskus	According to superuser /etc/profile also works
2021-05-27 07:36:26	oxek	bofh, that's why
2021-05-27 07:36:33	Nekuskus	https://superuser.com/questions/591321/execute-a-command-every-time-terminal-is-open
2021-05-27 07:36:42	mnbvv	I want to just leave a message on how to do a few keyboard commands for st.
2021-05-27 07:36:45	koollman	maybe what you want is closer to /etc/motd ?
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2021-05-27 07:37:16	oxek	/etc/profile is also only loaded under certain conditions (mainly login shells, and term emulators might not do that)
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2021-05-27 07:38:22	mnbvv	Eh, I'll just use xfce4-terminal.
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2021-05-27 07:52:45	Tech_8	sup
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2021-05-27 07:52:55	Nickwiz	The roof.
2021-05-27 07:53:05	mnbvv	Hi Tech_8
2021-05-27 07:53:16	Tech_8	hello how are you?
2021-05-27 07:53:25	mnbvv	Fine. Thank you.
2021-05-27 07:53:46	Tech_8	so whats new
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2021-05-27 07:54:18	mnbvv	Trying find a good C DE/WM that isn't infected with GNOME CSD.
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2021-05-27 07:56:48	triceratux	icewm ftw
2021-05-27 07:56:57	Tech_8	I like fluxbox
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2021-05-27 07:58:41	mnbvv	Maybe this is just my schizophrenia acting up again, but I feel C will die if I use a C++ wm.
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2021-05-27 08:02:54	Nickwiz	Well, these days the influencers push js/ts as the *new normal* :P
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2021-05-27 08:04:15	Zophirel	Hi I have a problem with gnome terminal when I try to type @ or ~ it show as � what can I do?
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2021-05-27 08:05:10	Tech_8	maybe try messing with keyboard settings in control panel?
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2021-05-27 08:07:02	mnbvv	I really like fvwm, too bad it takes an hour to configure it the way you want it.
2021-05-27 08:07:21	Tech_8	you can always use windows
2021-05-27 08:07:27	mnbvv	Fuck that
2021-05-27 08:07:30	rindolf	Tech_8: hi
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2021-05-27 08:07:40	Tech_8	sup rindolf
2021-05-27 08:07:59	Tech_8	you dont like windows 10?
2021-05-27 08:08:07	Tech_8	mnbvv
2021-05-27 08:08:12	Prestige	Zophirel: sounds like a font issue
2021-05-27 08:08:18	rindolf	Tech_8: claws-mails been hanging
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2021-05-27 08:10:44	rindolf	Tech_8: i'm fine - had a [irl] chat with a lovely young-looking lady about my fics about she-who-must-not-be-named (= EmW ; https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/Emma-Watson/ )
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2021-05-27 08:16:24	Zophirel	Prestige what should I do?
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2021-05-27 08:16:51	Prestige	Maybe try charging the font that the terminal uses
2021-05-27 08:16:58	Prestige	Changing*
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2021-05-27 08:22:33	otisolsen70	I am doing some troubleshooting on a network in which some type of queries are reported to have become very slow. I have done som packet captures and looking at them in wireshark, I see lots of TCP Retransmission, TCP DUP ACK, TCP Out-of-Order. My question is: Is that normal? Or could this potentially be causing slow downs? These are all  10GbE networks. Exerpt of packet capture: https://i.imgur.com/EzShNSY.png
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2021-05-27 08:40:20	lovetruth	Hello!... :)
2021-05-27 08:40:29	lovetruth	Anyone here have been using snap craft?...
2021-05-27 08:40:59	lovetruth	I'm trying to install vlc from a snap install in ubuntu core (arm64 - but I can try armhf too, as it's a raspy 4b)
2021-05-27 08:41:17	lovetruth	For some reason it tells me that the repo has only for amd64
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2021-05-27 08:42:35	pikapika	Is there any name for the "canonical" path of a file/directory?
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2021-05-27 08:42:46	pikapika	That is without symlinks
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2021-05-27 08:43:03	pikapika	for example the path you get with pwd -P
2021-05-27 08:43:18	variable	pikapika: sometimes called "real path" but not an official term. also note there may be more than one pointing to the same inode
2021-05-27 08:43:36	Nekuskus	After I've searched I only really found canonical path
2021-05-27 08:43:40	Nekuskus	So it should be good?
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2021-05-27 08:43:47	pikapika	variable, more than one symlink path or more than one "real" path?
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2021-05-27 08:43:54	variable	more than one "real path"
2021-05-27 08:43:57	variable	for instance, with hardlinks
2021-05-27 08:44:01	pikapika	Oh right
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2021-05-27 08:44:11	triceratux	lovetruth: im running vlc on my buster raspi3b. its a deb. whats the fascination with snaps ?
2021-05-27 08:44:29	lovetruth	triceratux, it's ubuntu core
2021-05-27 08:44:42	lovetruth	It doesn't have apt/apt-get/etc
2021-05-27 08:45:03	triceratux	ah. im running q4os
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2021-05-27 08:47:03	pikapika	https://docs.oracle.com/javase/7/docs/api/java/io/File.html#getCanonicalPath%28%29 Java api seems to use the term "canonical path"
2021-05-27 08:47:11	pikapika	So I guess "canonical" works too
2021-05-27 08:47:48	variable	yeah: canonical is also common
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2021-05-27 08:49:51	rcm888	Hi! What is the name for secure DHCP protocol?
2021-05-27 08:50:02	oxek	is there one?
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2021-05-27 08:50:08	immibis[fnIsDead	^
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2021-05-27 08:50:33	ptx0	ADHCP
2021-05-27 08:50:37	ptx0	it is authenticated
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2021-05-27 08:52:30	rcm888	oxek, ptx0: what is 802.1x Security
2021-05-27 08:52:57	rcm888	I see it in my network configuration
2021-05-27 08:52:59	ptx0	that's different
2021-05-27 08:53:10	ptx0	it's like authenticated Ethernet
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2021-05-27 08:54:35	rcm888	ok
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2021-05-27 09:01:08	Nickwiz	In c realpath() does canonicalization of paths. One also have the realpath tool.
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2021-05-27 09:02:46	Nickwiz	foo/bar/../baz => canonicialized: foo/baz
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2021-05-27 09:04:02	binux	Is it possible to stop users with sudo access using sudo su -l to the root user?
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2021-05-27 09:04:59	Kerberos88	binux: what would be the point of that?
2021-05-27 09:05:18	Kerberos88	A sudoer is, for all intends and purposes, a root user
2021-05-27 09:05:23	binux	so they cant access system files etc
2021-05-27 09:05:31	binux	thats true
2021-05-27 09:06:05	Kerberos88	It is possible to restrict sudo
2021-05-27 09:06:37	binux	Kerberos88: do you know how?
2021-05-27 09:06:37	Kerberos88	but again, I don't see the point of it
2021-05-27 09:06:57	Kerberos88	no because I don't see much of a use for it
2021-05-27 09:07:01	binux	ok
2021-05-27 09:07:03	Kerberos88	but the documentation should cover it
2021-05-27 09:07:38	Nickwiz	binux: Why do they need sudo in the first place?
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2021-05-27 09:07:54	ananke	binux: yes, you can include/exclude things with sudoers config
2021-05-27 09:07:59	binux	to be able to sudo to a service user
2021-05-27 09:08:12	Nickwiz	Perhaps groups is more appropriate?
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2021-05-27 09:08:17	ananke	binux: define 'sudo to a service user'
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2021-05-27 09:08:56	ananke	binux: you could provide an explicit and limited list of what specific commands a given user can run as that service user
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2021-05-27 09:09:32	ananke	it's a safer/easier approach to be explicitly inclusive, than to try to create exclusion list
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2021-05-27 09:10:44	Kerberos88	I agree that restricting specific commands is impractical. It's better to restrict them all and then excluding some
2021-05-27 09:11:17	Kerberos88	but be careful with what you allow. Many programs like vim can be used to bypass restrictions
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2021-05-27 09:12:40	ananke	that's why you don't allow sudo access to an editor, instead you grant access to modify the file via sudoedit perms
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2021-05-27 09:14:04	Kerberos88	which I hate, since it almost always redirects to vi which means no backspace and stuff
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2021-05-27 09:15:14	ananke	that's easily configured
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2021-05-27 09:20:10	triceratux	yep & id add that folks with political agendas should not be ops. & vice versa https://rachelbythebay.com/w/2021/05/26/irc/
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2021-05-27 09:30:41	nevergonnastop_	Hello guys, help me out.
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2021-05-27 09:30:43	nevergonnastop_	On my server I have a site, from which i want to send messages to my other mail(like google), and postfix. Sending to google works fine - I can put anything I want into sender, like noreply@mydomain.com - google doesn't complain, just puts them into spam, but I want to send them only to myself anyway. Buuuuut, my domain mail boxes are actually outside my server, on the external provider with pretty web interface
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2021-05-27 09:32:48	nevergonnastop_	the problem is, when i send email to my email box on external provider which has the same domain, postfix bounces because it thinks that I'm trying to send it locally
2021-05-27 09:32:58	nevergonnastop_	the problem is, when i send emails to my email box on external provider which has the same domain, postfix bounces because it thinks that I'm trying to send it locally
2021-05-27 09:33:12	nevergonnastop_	the problem is, when i send emails to my email box on the external provider which has the same domain, postfix bounces because it thinks that I'm trying to send it locally
2021-05-27 09:33:23	nevergonnastop_	fuck, i forgot that i can't fix the message
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2021-05-27 09:33:33	nevergonnastop_	used to telegram
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2021-05-27 09:35:05	triceratux	ewww. run matrix. its closer to irc
2021-05-27 09:35:29	nevergonnastop_	not for channels, just for pm
2021-05-27 09:35:56	nevergonnastop_	so, I send from my server and sender noreply@mydomain.com to inbox@mydomain.com and want to send it outside the vps. But in log it shows "relay = local", searches that user on itself and bounces since there's no such user
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2021-05-27 09:36:50	Research	Hi, I'm trying to set up a proxy pass to a local upstream service running on localhost:port via nginx, however, when I try to open the site I configured I get a gateway timeout
2021-05-27 09:37:13	Research	Accessing the service locally or remotely via an ssh tunnel works fine so I'm assuming it's my nginx configuration that is flawed
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2021-05-27 09:37:40	Research	I don't see anything in the logs - does anyone know where I should look to figure out what I did wrong?
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2021-05-27 09:40:46	gtlsgamr	Any of you ever worked with SAP?
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2021-05-27 09:41:47	nevergonnastop_	Research, i've been tinkering with nginx for about a week now. Maybe i can give some ideas, but I'm not sure  what is a proxy pass and what will use it. Your site?
2021-05-27 09:42:00	Research	yeah nevergonnastop_
2021-05-27 09:42:01	Research	sec
2021-05-27 09:43:50	Research	nevergonnastop_, https://paste.rs/EbD
2021-05-27 09:43:57	Research	these are the relevant blocks
2021-05-27 09:44:20	Research	basically it's meant to forward anything from a location to the local service
2021-05-27 09:44:46	nevergonnastop_	aha, now I understand, let me think about it
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2021-05-27 09:58:17	nevergonnastop_	Research, about logs: you do have smth like this in your server block?
2021-05-27 09:58:38	nevergonnastop_	 access_log /var/log/nginx/site.log;
2021-05-27 09:59:03	nevergonnastop_	error_log /var/log/nginx/site.log;
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2021-05-27 10:02:04	Research	nevergonnastop_, should I have that in every server block?
2021-05-27 10:02:16	Research	I do have an access.log but I'm not sure where it is configured
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2021-05-27 10:03:56	nevergonnastop_	Research, in the server you are trying to connect from outside - then we'll at least  see if the connection is actually coming before proxying, i guess
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2021-05-27 10:07:57	nevergonnastop_	I think it will be hard to resolve without the actual error from server log, so you need to fix the log first hand
2021-05-27 10:08:44	Research	hmm I think I might know the reason
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2021-05-27 10:08:58	Research	My server tries to route every request to https
2021-05-27 10:09:06	Research	and I think the service isn't configured to work with https
2021-05-27 10:09:26	Research	if that's actually the reason it's quite a dumb mistake
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2021-05-27 10:11:21	nevergonnastop_	strange, you have http:// in proxy_pass
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2021-05-27 10:13:18	Research	yeah idk
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2021-05-27 10:14:07	Research	oh actually
2021-05-27 10:14:12	Research	I think it might be in a loop
2021-05-27 10:14:17	nevergonnastop_	:D
2021-05-27 10:14:18	Research	where it directs to http
2021-05-27 10:14:26	Research	then it tries to redirect it to https...
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2021-05-27 10:17:34	nevergonnastop_	wait, what port does nginx listen to
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2021-05-27 10:19:59	Research	443 for ssl
2021-05-27 10:20:04	Research	hmm yeah it listens to port 80 for http
2021-05-27 10:20:08	Research	so it shouldn't redirect
2021-05-27 10:20:13	iam8up	i have about 5k points that are in kml, looks like this https://pastebin.com/Ptz8yVCJ - i need to extract the address1, city, st; can anyone point me in the right direction on how to get started?
2021-05-27 10:20:15	Research	changing to https doesn't fix it either
2021-05-27 10:20:28	Research	so it might just be the service not being configured correctly after all
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2021-05-27 10:23:43	akk	iam8up: You could use grep and sed, like egrep 'name="(name|address|city|state|zip' | sed 's/<.*?>//' (not tested, but something like that
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2021-05-27 10:24:09	akk	iam8up: though personally I'd write a python script using BeautifulSoup, which parses XML like kml files nicely.
2021-05-27 10:24:33	jjakob	there's a cli xml tool too
2021-05-27 10:25:02	jjakob	xmlstarlet
2021-05-27 10:25:30	jjakob	if you'd rather do shell scripting
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2021-05-27 10:25:34	nevergonnastop_	Research, but you do see connections in the log now? because if you don't, then it's definitely nginx
2021-05-27 10:25:42	nevergonnastop_	Research, but you do see connections in the log now? because if you don't, then it's definitely nginx proxy server
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2021-05-27 10:26:52	Research	nevergonnastop_, yeah it says [error] 2266931#2266931: *100426 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while connecting to upstream
2021-05-27 10:29:34	nevergonnastop_	And curl can connect normally?
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2021-05-27 10:32:02	Research	nevergonnastop_, I can connect to the service via the port and http
2021-05-27 10:32:10	Research	I think it's the service at this point
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2021-05-27 10:33:04	iam8up	akk, how would i aggregate the lines?  i need ot combine the 5 lines into one
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2021-05-27 10:34:04	iam8up	jjakob, thanks for the tip!  reading the manual now
2021-05-27 10:34:51	akk	iam8up: For that I would definitely use python, though maybe xmstarlet that jjakob recommended would help if you want to stay in shell.
2021-05-27 10:36:05	Research	yeah nevergonnastop_ I figured it out, just had to configure certificates for the upstream as well
2021-05-27 10:36:32	Research	Just never saw that resulting in a timeout
2021-05-27 10:36:43	iam8up	akk, wow it looks pretty perfect: https://www.joyofdata.de/blog/transforming-xml-document-into-csv-using-xmlstarlet/
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2021-05-27 10:36:53	iam8up	jjakob, thank you very much!
2021-05-27 10:37:03	Research	or actually..
2021-05-27 10:37:56	Camilo	wondering why my pc was so loud today. turns out bluetoothd has one cpu core jacked to 100% the whole day
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2021-05-27 10:38:51	Camilo	dont know if it was a bug but restarting the service fixed it
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2021-05-27 10:39:19	Research	yeah it still timeouts
2021-05-27 10:39:31	Research	though it works with the port explicitly specified over https now
2021-05-27 10:39:52	Nickwiz	Perhaps he drank to much mjød
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2021-05-27 10:40:42	jjakob	iam8up: no problem
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2021-05-27 10:41:23	jjakob	you get to remember the names of such tools after you see them used somewhere, or if you don't you can look them up via web search
2021-05-27 10:42:00	reffter	Are there examples where DMA is not useful to be used? Trying to find some information for my exam.
2021-05-27 10:43:10	immibis[fnIsDead	if you'd said interrupts I could name one, but for DMA... not sure. Maybe for trivial amounts of data, handfuls of bytes?
2021-05-27 10:43:21	 *	jjakob gets a whought about using xmlstarlet or jq instead of a RDBMS for simple tasks
2021-05-27 10:43:32	reffter	I think that works immibis[fnIsDead, yeah.
2021-05-27 10:44:27	immibis[fnIsDead	jjakob: use sqlite unless it's a shell script
2021-05-27 10:45:02	jjakob	right. my brain just wonders when I see "query" mentioned in a manpage...
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2021-05-27 10:47:01	nevergonnastop_	Research, configuring https on local server is weird. well it works, that's all that matters, but still. Maybe it's because proxy listens on 443 and the client still wants ssl or smth like that
2021-05-27 10:47:36	nevergonnastop_	and when you use curl - it goes directly to http
2021-05-27 10:47:43	nevergonnastop_	local curl
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2021-05-27 10:48:43	nevergonnastop_	maybe, for the sake of research, you could try to proxy it from http to http
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2021-05-27 10:51:19	nevergonnastop_	also, i think I misunderstood the question about logs - you put the access_log line for particular server(in this case proxy server) right in the server block
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2021-05-27 10:51:29	Research	hmm it gives the upstream some weird IP I can't direclty connect to
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2021-05-27 10:52:31	Research	something is really weird with the upstream
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2021-05-27 10:53:23	nevergonnastop_	what gives upstream weird ip?
2021-05-27 10:53:30	jjakob	if you want to use HTTPS, the certificate CN and or SANs must match the URL you connect to
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2021-05-27 10:53:55	SEGAMAN	ext4 for external drive?
2021-05-27 10:53:59	jjakob	typically that's a domain name, so you have to setup DNS in a way that the domain name/hostname resolves to the IP of your server
2021-05-27 10:54:20	jjakob	putting IPs or localhost in a certificate CN is bad
2021-05-27 10:54:56	Research	nevergonnastop_, no idea
2021-05-27 10:54:58	jjakob	so in addition to the hostname resolving to your servers IP, the certificate must also have that hostname in the CN or SAN
2021-05-27 10:55:11	jjakob	or else your browser will refuse to connect
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2021-05-27 10:55:37	Research	jjakob, are you talking to me?
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2021-05-27 10:55:52	jjakob	you could theoretically put an IP in the certificate, but the IP might change when you move servers
2021-05-27 10:55:55	iam8up	hmm i have an issue where i'm trying to sed SimpleData of the line grep address1 finds here https://pastebin.com/VWXYB0MG but how can i modify the file itself, not just sed the output of grep?
2021-05-27 10:55:59	jjakob	yeah
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2021-05-27 10:56:19	nevergonnastop_	jjakob, it's a localhost site which he wants to proxy to
2021-05-27 10:56:23	nevergonnastop_	from outside
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2021-05-27 10:56:44	jjakob	he needs valid DNS on the outside and inside and a valid certificate matching that DNS
2021-05-27 10:56:59	jjakob	it doesn't matter where the site is
2021-05-27 10:57:22	Research	idk what you're talking about tbh jjakob
2021-05-27 10:57:37	Research	My certificates are for my domain
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2021-05-27 10:57:54	Research	basically I can access my_site:port/app
2021-05-27 10:58:04	Research	directly without problem
2021-05-27 10:58:15	Research	but my proxy pass from my_site/app to my_site:port/app doesn't work
2021-05-27 10:58:18	Research	and times out
2021-05-27 10:58:37	nevergonnastop_	Research, do you really need exactly that way of configuring? i used reverse proxy for nextcloud - works fine
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2021-05-27 10:58:57	Research	is there another way to forward something to another port?
2021-05-27 10:59:08	jjakob	make it listen on that port.
2021-05-27 10:59:17	SEGAMAN	what file system do you recommend i run on this
2021-05-27 10:59:19	SEGAMAN	https://www.amazon.com/G-Technology-0G06052-G-Drive-Portable-Storage/dp/B0765PBZNL
2021-05-27 10:59:19	jjakob	or NAT, but I wouldn't recommend that.
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2021-05-27 10:59:34	jjakob	both of those don't change the protocol but just the port
2021-05-27 11:00:17	Research	making what listen to that port?
2021-05-27 11:00:28	jjakob	I don't know what you're trying to do.
2021-05-27 11:00:39	nevergonnastop_	my bad, i used exactly proxy_pass lol
2021-05-27 11:00:45	jjakob	a reverse proxy from mysite/app to mysite:port/app makes little sense
2021-05-27 11:00:56	jjakob	unless there's more to it
2021-05-27 11:01:23	jjakob	if you use the reverse proxy as a SSL termination for example
2021-05-27 11:01:36	jjakob	which is what I suspect you want
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2021-05-27 11:02:42	jjakob	you either install the certificates into the service itself and make it listen to 443 on its own, or use a reverse proxy in front
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2021-05-27 11:03:10	Research	jjakob, basically I have an app running on localhost that runs on a specific port
2021-05-27 11:03:16	Research	and I'm trying to forward traffic to it
2021-05-27 11:03:31	jjakob	in that case, you'd make the service listen on e.g. 8080, make nginx listen on 80&443, and proxy_pass to 8080
2021-05-27 11:03:44	Research	that's exactly what I'm doing
2021-05-27 11:03:48	Research	but the proxy pass times out
2021-05-27 11:03:55	jjakob	or you could not make nginx listen on 80, leave the service on 80, and just use nginx for 443
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2021-05-27 11:04:19	nevergonnastop_	Research, https://pastebin.com/raw/NcRZx46t that's how my nextcloud config looks towards a Nextcloud on workin in a container
2021-05-27 11:04:20	jjakob	but then you can't do more finky stuff with URLs
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2021-05-27 11:05:19	nevergonnastop_	maybe you need to forward your ip too
2021-05-27 11:05:34	jjakob	Research: upstream notebook { server localhost:8888;
2021-05-27 11:05:59	jjakob	try 127.0.0.1 instead
2021-05-27 11:05:59	Research	basically I get *100447 upstream timed out (110: Connection timed out) while connecting to upstream, with upstream: "https://172.0.0.1:8888/notebooks/
2021-05-27 11:06:12	Research	with 127.0.0.1
2021-05-27 11:06:17	nevergonnastop_	Research i didn't use upstream block, i think it's for balancers or smth
2021-05-27 11:06:33	jjakob	right. and what does ss -tulpn | grep 8888 say?
2021-05-27 11:06:41	Research	I got rid of them and wrote proxy_pass https://172.0.0.1:8888/notebooks/ directly
2021-05-27 11:06:46	Research	same result
2021-05-27 11:06:53	jjakob	nevergonnastop_: there's no harm in using upstream
2021-05-27 11:07:32	nevergonnastop_	jjakob looks like an extra block which has no actual use if you don't have 100 local servers for me
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2021-05-27 11:07:46	jjakob	I use Docker + this https://github.com/nginx-proxy/nginx-proxy + https://github.com/nginx-proxy/nginx-proxy
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2021-05-27 11:07:54	Research	https://paste.rs/1SI < jjakob
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2021-05-27 11:08:03	jjakob	sorry, + https://github.com/nginx-proxy/acme-companion
2021-05-27 11:09:03	jjakob	Research: right
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2021-05-27 11:09:14	jjakob	why does your log say https however?
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2021-05-27 11:09:25	jjakob	of course it can't https to 8888
2021-05-27 11:09:31	jjakob	you want just http
2021-05-27 11:09:39	Research	it can do?
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2021-05-27 11:09:45	jjakob	of course
2021-05-27 11:09:51	jjakob	your backend is http only
2021-05-27 11:09:52	Research	I can access https://my_server:8888/notebooks
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2021-05-27 11:10:04	jjakob	look at ss -tulpn | grep 443
2021-05-27 11:10:04	Research	What do you mean by that?
2021-05-27 11:10:13	jjakob	when you do that you're accessing nginx
2021-05-27 11:10:36	jjakob	oh, why do you have 8888 on https already?
2021-05-27 11:10:47	Research	?
2021-05-27 11:10:54	jjakob	that's unusual
2021-05-27 11:11:03	Research	When I access 8888 it doesn't go through nginx
2021-05-27 11:11:17	Research	just directly to the locally hosted app
2021-05-27 11:11:21	jjakob	usually the backend is plain http and you use nginx to do the https serving
2021-05-27 11:11:43	Research	I could change it back to http
2021-05-27 11:11:45	jjakob	technically you can also do https upstream but it's unusual
2021-05-27 11:11:52	Research	I changed it to https to make sure it being http wasn't the issue
2021-05-27 11:12:02	jjakob	why don't you put the cert in the upstream ifit can do https already?
2021-05-27 11:12:07	Research	but yeah it was http before and I had the same issue
2021-05-27 11:12:14	Research	I have the cert in my upstream
2021-05-27 11:12:20	Research	idk why you're bringing up certs at all tbh
2021-05-27 11:12:26	nevergonnastop_	:)
2021-05-27 11:12:34	jjakob	you have https, certs are involved
2021-05-27 11:12:36	Research	basically the only thing I'm trying to do is getting access to the backend without manually typing the 8888 port
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2021-05-27 11:12:48	jjakob	lol
2021-05-27 11:12:59	Research	not sure what's funny about that
2021-05-27 11:13:04	jjakob	change the upstream listen statements
2021-05-27 11:13:11	jjakob	if you can change upstream configs
2021-05-27 11:13:25	Research	?
2021-05-27 11:13:58	Research	you mean listening to 443 in the upstream?
2021-05-27 11:14:07	jjakob	80+443, yes
2021-05-27 11:14:11	Research	wouldn't that interfer with the nginx config though?
2021-05-27 11:14:21	jjakob	you don't need nginx then
2021-05-27 11:14:32	Research	I'm redirecting everything to https in my server
2021-05-27 11:14:46	Research	I have other things running on nginx...
2021-05-27 11:15:02	jjakob	right, so that's the final piece of the puzzle now
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2021-05-27 11:15:14	nevergonnastop_	Research, you have location /notebooks/ written here https://paste.rs/EbD
2021-05-27 11:15:17	jjakob	you want to co-host multiple services on a single IP
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2021-05-27 11:15:26	nevergonnastop_	maybe try just "location /"
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2021-05-27 11:15:38	Research	nevergonnastop_, I already have a location /
2021-05-27 11:15:40	jjakob	so you need nginx as a frontend reverse proxy that listens on 80+443
2021-05-27 11:15:42	nevergonnastop_	ah ok
2021-05-27 11:15:53	nevergonnastop_	dont forget to reload nginx
2021-05-27 11:16:02	Research	doing that constantly yeah
2021-05-27 11:16:05	jjakob	turn off https on the upstream service
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2021-05-27 11:17:09	nevergonnastop_	but he connect from localhost without https, I think
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2021-05-27 11:17:18	Research	I have tried both
2021-05-27 11:17:23	Research	same result for both
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2021-05-27 11:19:00	jjakob	Research: is that a typo? 172.0.0.1
2021-05-27 11:19:17	jjakob	oh no sorry, it's ok
2021-05-27 11:20:04	jjakob	you have any firewalls?
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2021-05-27 11:20:58	Research	127 actually kinda seems to work
2021-05-27 11:21:01	Research	I don't think I do
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2021-05-27 11:21:23	jjakob	yeah 127, not 172
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2021-05-27 11:23:24	jjakob	the fact you can connect to localhost:8888 but nginx can't, is weird
2021-05-27 11:23:42	jjakob	or can it
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2021-05-27 11:23:48	nevergonnastop_	Research, if you want to find out if that's the internal host problem, you can do this:
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2021-05-27 11:24:04	nevergonnastop_	docker run -dit --name my-apache-app -p 8080:80 -v "$PWD":/usr/local/apache2/htdocs/ httpd:2.4
2021-05-27 11:24:23	nevergonnastop_	shutdown your server, run docker, see if you can connect to it from outside
2021-05-27 11:24:30	nevergonnastop_	if not - it's nginx
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2021-05-27 11:24:36	nevergonnastop_	if yes - your server
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2021-05-27 11:25:02	nevergonnastop_	your site server i mean
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2021-05-27 11:25:36	Research	jjakob, yeah localhost didn't work but 127.0.0.1 did
2021-05-27 11:25:38	Research	which is odd
2021-05-27 11:25:45	Research	but I think it does work now
2021-05-27 11:25:50	jjakob	it's actually pretty normal
2021-05-27 11:25:53	Research	will have to check if the web sockets also work
2021-05-27 11:26:03	jjakob	localhost is a hostname which is resolved via DNS
2021-05-27 11:26:17	gtlsgamr	So while some knowledgable people are here, I would like to ask one thing. I have a fibre connection given by my local ISP. The line is connected to a home gateway unit which gives out a lan cable to my wifi router which in turn is used by all my devices. IF i set up port forwarding on my wifi router, it doesnt work. I am suspecting that I need to open the port on the gateway unit as well. The gateway
2021-05-27 11:26:23	gtlsgamr	unit has an address of 192.168.1.1 to access the dashboard and the credentials on the back but entering that address doesnt open anything. Any suggestions?
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2021-05-27 11:26:28	jjakob	did you run nginx inside a docker container?
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2021-05-27 11:27:11	jjakob	gtlsgamr: I suspect you're double-NATing
2021-05-27 11:27:29	jjakob	do your PCs get a different subnet than 192.168.1 ?
2021-05-27 11:27:44	gtlsgamr	my PC gets a subnet of the wifi router 192.168.0
2021-05-27 11:27:50	nevergonnastop_	Research, so it works from outside now?
2021-05-27 11:27:54	jjakob	so yeah, you're double NATing
2021-05-27 11:28:01	Research	<jjakob> did you run nginx inside a docker container? < no
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2021-05-27 11:28:08	Research	oh nvmd
2021-05-27 11:28:14	Research	nevergonnastop_, yeah
2021-05-27 11:28:22	nevergonnastop_	cool, congrats :)
2021-05-27 11:28:50	gtlsgamr	jjakob: So, Any way how I could solve that?
2021-05-27 11:29:04	jjakob	Research: what do you get if you run "host localhost"
2021-05-27 11:29:16	jjakob	gtlsgamr: don't double-NAT
2021-05-27 11:29:32	jjakob	which is what I say to all people doing double NAT
2021-05-27 11:29:34	nevergonnastop_	jjakob, localhost is resolved via DNS?
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2021-05-27 11:29:51	jjakob	nevergonnastop_: via the system's name resolution methods, yes
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2021-05-27 11:29:58	Research	I don't have a host command
2021-05-27 11:30:00	jjakob	typically it stops at /etc/hosts
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2021-05-27 11:30:10	jjakob	then nslookup or dig
2021-05-27 11:30:21	nevergonnastop_	i so maybe there's no "127.0.0.1 localhost" in /etc/hosts
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2021-05-27 11:31:00	gtlsgamr	well the line that i get from ISP is not a RJ45 cable like usual. It is a yellow fibre line. Which can only be accepted in the gateway unit, so I am stuck with this set up
2021-05-27 11:31:00	jjakob	the resolution order is set in /etc/nsswitch.conf, "files" is /etc/hosts
2021-05-27 11:31:40	jjakob	nevergonnastop_: no, I'm suspecting localhost was resolving to ::1, which may not work with docker.
2021-05-27 11:31:48	jjakob	or something else invalid
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2021-05-27 11:31:58	jjakob	depends on what's in /etc/hosts
2021-05-27 11:32:17	nevergonnastop_	hmhe didn't run it in docker
2021-05-27 11:32:21	nevergonnastop_	he*
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2021-05-27 11:32:38	jjakob	nevergonnastop_: but the service he wanted to connect to was in docker?
2021-05-27 11:32:46	jjakob	docker was mentioned
2021-05-27 11:33:00	nevergonnastop_	nahah, maybe
2021-05-27 11:33:05	nevergonnastop_	f
2021-05-27 11:33:09	nevergonnastop_	"ah, maybe"
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2021-05-27 11:33:36	nevergonnastop_	it's upsetting that you can fix mistakes in a message
2021-05-27 11:33:40	nevergonnastop_	can't*
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2021-05-27 11:34:23	nevergonnastop_	jjakob, do you know smth about postfix?
2021-05-27 11:34:25	jjakob	yep, confirmed, docker isn't exposing to IPv6: https://paste.rs/1SI
2021-05-27 11:34:40	jjakob	both of those are IPv4
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2021-05-27 11:35:00	jjakob	localhost can resolve to either IPv4 or IPv6, depending on how it feels like that moment
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2021-05-27 11:35:24	jjakob	or usually there's a IPv6 preference if both are available
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2021-05-27 11:35:34	jjakob	nevergonnastop_: some small things yes
2021-05-27 11:35:41	nevergonnastop_	ok
2021-05-27 11:35:45	nevergonnastop_	<nevergonnastop_> On my server I have a site, from which i want to send messages to my other mail(like google), and postfix. Sending to google works fine - I can put anything I want into sender, like noreply@mydomain.com - google doesn't complain, just puts them into spam, but I want to send them only to myself anyway. Buuuuut, my domain mail boxes are actually outside my server, on the external provider with pretty web interface
2021-05-27 11:36:08	nevergonnastop_	<nevergonnastop_> the problem is, when i send emails to my email box on the external provider which has the same domain, postfix bounces because it thinks that I'm trying to send it locally
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2021-05-27 11:36:37	nevergonnastop_	<nevergonnastop_> so, I send from my server and sender noreply@mydomain.com to inbox@mydomain.com and want to send it outside the vps. But in log it shows "relay = local", searches that user on itself and bounces since there's no such user
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2021-05-27 11:36:58	jjakob	gtlsgamr: in these situations I'd first try asking the ISP to give me a "bridged" connection because I want to use my own router. They will then turn that port into a bridged port, meaning the router you attach it to will get the WAN IP directly
2021-05-27 11:37:22	jjakob	you'll still have the "gateway", but it won't act as a router by itself any more
2021-05-27 11:37:50	jjakob	then you need to plug all your stuff into the LAN ports of your own router, and NOT to the ISP gateway
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2021-05-27 11:38:28	nevergonnastop_	i can't say that it's understandable enough, but postfix is a dark place for me now. The nameserver points mydomain.com to my server, MX points to my mailbox provider so it's not an external problem or DNS problem
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2021-05-27 11:39:21	jjakob	nevergonnastop_: never had that situation before so can't say
2021-05-27 11:39:35	nevergonnastop_	postfix/local[1197802]: 86EF020234: to=<test@mydomain.com>, relay=local, delay=0.07, delays=0.03/0.04/0/0, dsn=5.1.1, status=bounced (unknown user: "test")
2021-05-27 11:39:40	nevergonnastop_	looks like this
2021-05-27 11:39:48	nevergonnastop_	postfix/local
2021-05-27 11:39:57	jjakob	you'd probably want to change your mailname to something different
2021-05-27 11:40:04	jjakob	like myserver.mydomain
2021-05-27 11:40:26	jjakob	not a good idea to have 2 different servers with the same hostname
2021-05-27 11:40:37	jjakob	/etc/mailname
2021-05-27 11:40:45	jjakob	or in postfix main.cf
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2021-05-27 11:40:53	nevergonnastop_	mmkey, i'll try
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2021-05-27 11:41:24	gtlsgamr	jjakob: thanks a lot man! Thats what i am gonan do!
2021-05-27 11:41:35	jjakob	other than that, I now alwas create a valid mailbox account on a real mail server and relay all mail through that mail server with authentication
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2021-05-27 11:42:03	jjakob	doing this you also get valid SPF + DKIM + DMARC which will keep your mail out of spam
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2021-05-27 11:42:47	jjakob	so set postfix to relay via the mail server, port 587 with authentication (your user), and have it rewrite all mails From header to that mail address
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2021-05-27 11:43:09	jjakob	otherwise your server will usually also reject mails that have a From not matching the mailbox account
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2021-05-27 11:43:42	jjakob	you could do unauthenticated relaying, but most servers now block this
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2021-05-27 11:46:10	nevergonnastop_	May 26 21:29:12 znvmodx postfix/smtp[1196443]: E4193203FB: to=<myacc@gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[64.233.162.27]:25, delay=0.76, delays=0.03/0.03/0.15/0.55, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK  1622057352 h13si83598ljc.258 - gsmtp)
2021-05-27 11:46:27	nevergonnastop_	nope, they dont care much
2021-05-27 11:46:28	nevergonnastop_	:)
2021-05-27 11:46:35	nevergonnastop_	it comes fine
2021-05-27 11:46:54	jjakob	nevergonnastop_: I think google does the header From rewriting for you
2021-05-27 11:47:03	jjakob	look at the received mail headers
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2021-05-27 11:47:24	jjakob	From is now your mailbox account from, and you have a X-Original-From:
2021-05-27 11:47:46	jjakob	but some mail servers don't do that and just reject such mails
2021-05-27 11:48:08	jjakob	in that case you can configure postfix to rewrite From itself
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2021-05-27 11:50:24	nevergonnastop_	in From it shows noreply@mydomain.com, as it supposed to
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2021-05-27 11:51:16	nevergonnastop_	and theres no X-Original_From at all
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2021-05-27 11:52:04	jjakob	X-Google-Original-From:
2021-05-27 11:52:25	jjakob	I have that in mails from some servers that don't have a vaild from
2021-05-27 11:52:43	jjakob	and they do rewrite the from to match the account name
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2021-05-27 11:54:24	nevergonnastop_	no such field at all, on both gmail and my mail provider
2021-05-27 11:54:33	nevergonnastop_	maybe postfix doesn't add it
2021-05-27 11:54:49	nevergonnastop_	i mean not one field with the word "original"
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2021-05-27 11:56:11	nevergonnastop_	i will probably do a relay with authentication like you did - can't find anything but this in the net
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2021-05-27 11:58:10	sumthing1980	hello I wanna ask some basic question,
2021-05-27 11:58:24	sumthing1980	which other ips can I set my pcs to 192.168.0.123
2021-05-27 11:58:36	sumthing1980	can it be 192.168.22.33 ?
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2021-05-27 11:59:15	sumthing1980	also can I change the static ip that is set on linux mint gui, via ssh?
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2021-05-27 12:05:11	iam8up	is there a way to do something like grep a line from a file and then do a sed to it (in a file)?
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2021-05-27 12:07:30	Prestige	you mean output it to a new file?
2021-05-27 12:07:39	iam8up	Noir, modify the already existing file
2021-05-27 12:07:47	iam8up	Noir, *
2021-05-27 12:07:56	Prestige	I think you could just do that all with sed, no?
2021-05-27 12:07:59	asda	usual answer is there are probably 5 ways
2021-05-27 12:07:59	iam8up	it's autocompleting sorry, Prestige i mean no, modify the already existing file
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2021-05-27 12:08:22	Noir	iam8up: Hi :D
2021-05-27 12:08:27	iam8up	Prestige, https://pastebin.com/VWXYB0MG the problem i have is it would change the other 3 (i want to fix the close tag)
2021-05-27 12:08:38	iam8up	Noir, hello!  sorry for the buzz
2021-05-27 12:08:42	Noir	No problem
2021-05-27 12:09:38	Prestige	maybe something like sed '/line_pattern/s/find/replace/' filename
2021-05-27 12:10:06	iam8up	huh does line_pattern act as a grep there?
2021-05-27 12:10:24	Prestige	regex pattern to find a line to operate on, so sorta yeah
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2021-05-27 12:10:51	iam8up	whoa that just make my day
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2021-05-27 12:12:38	iam8up	Prestige, perfect, thanks!!!
2021-05-27 12:12:43	Prestige	Any time :)
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2021-05-27 12:29:04	triceratux	well thereya go https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/taw/element/fedora-34-x86_64/02205174-element/
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2021-05-27 12:30:15	triceratux	i can see why fedora would take this opportunity to take irc out of the loop :)
2021-05-27 12:30:18	triceratux	https://techcrunch.com/2020/05/21/automattic-pumps-4-6m-into-new-vector-to-help-grow-matrix-an-open-decentralized-comms-ecosystem/
2021-05-27 12:31:01	triceratux	https://element.io/blog/welcome-to-element/ https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Bridged-IRC-networks https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666281721000159
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2021-05-27 12:32:10	triceratux	i like the irc part but its the part that works the worst about matrix / element :)
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2021-05-27 12:41:02	akk	Are there decent matrix clients for Linux? I was just aptitude searching an hour ago, not finding anything in the ubuntu repos.
2021-05-27 12:41:24	akk	A local LUG is thinking about doing matrix instead of irc.
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2021-05-27 12:42:20	akk	And does your comment mean the gatewaying to irc doesn't work very well?
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2021-05-27 12:46:48	triceratux	i havent been doing matrix for 24hrs yet. the client is element.io. it works great. the bridge is a kludge. you have to be good with irc to keep it vorking
2021-05-27 12:47:02	triceratux	elemnt.io is a ppa on ubuntu / debian & it installs & runs no problem on 21.04
2021-05-27 12:47:18	oxek	akk: they are all bad, but maybe gomuks is usable
2021-05-27 12:48:16	akk	thanks for the info, oxek and triceratux
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2021-05-27 12:49:35	sumthing1980	so I have moved a pc unplugged and re plugged all drives, now it says no bootable drive found
2021-05-27 12:49:42	sumthing1980	it doesnt even show the bios for some reason
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2021-05-27 12:49:59	sumthing1980	I can run a live mint usb
2021-05-27 12:50:07	sumthing1980	how do I know if a drive is bootable
2021-05-27 12:50:10	elios	https://u.fsf.org/3e6
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2021-05-27 12:52:43	akk	probably this lug won't get anything going on matrix anyway (they have an irc channel now but nobody ever talks)
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2021-05-27 12:54:41	triceratux	akk: heres the ubuntu / debian & fedora links for element.io. i can get it to work on both platforms https://www.incredigeek.com/home/install-element-matrix-client-on-ubuntu/ https://copr-be.cloud.fedoraproject.org/results/taw/element/fedora-34-x86_64/02205174-element/
2021-05-27 12:54:58	triceratux	& libera is on the bridge wishlist https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/208
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2021-05-27 12:56:13	triceratux	element.io is like 100M. quassel is 4M, hexchat 2M. so its a little heavy for an irc client o.O
2021-05-27 12:56:27	akk	triceratux: great, thanks
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2021-05-27 14:11:40	Guest20	what is wheel user in linux
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2021-05-27 14:15:00	kerframil	it's a group for administrators, originally having appeared in BSD. a common - though by no means universal - purpose is to allow members to use su(1) to become root.
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2021-05-27 14:15:53	kerframil	pam has a pam_wheel module so it's possible that grep pam_wheel /etc/pam.d/* turns up something.
2021-05-27 14:16:22	gigasu_shida	do any of you have the problem that when you kill your browser process in virtual console, the whole system freezes?
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2021-05-27 14:17:53	jjakob	gigasu_shida: no
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2021-05-27 14:18:12	gigasu_shida	anyone else seen this?
2021-05-27 14:18:33	Thuryn	I have not.
2021-05-27 14:18:42	Prestige	Nope
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2021-05-27 14:18:51	gigasu_shida	so killing processes is always rock solid for you ya'll
2021-05-27 14:18:57	Thuryn	gigasu_shida, does it matter if you use "kill" vs "kill -9"?
2021-05-27 14:19:17	gigasu_shida	I didn't try "kill -9" yet. I'll try it next time
2021-05-27 14:19:51	Thuryn	"kill -9" is a bad habit in general, but if it works, it certainly beats having a hung system.
2021-05-27 14:19:59	jjakob	why are you killing the browser anyway?
2021-05-27 14:20:09	Thuryn	Does the whole system freeze?  Or just the console?
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2021-05-27 14:20:44	jjakob	are you out of resources? or is the browser heavily swapped out causing the kill to want to bring all of it back to ram all at once?
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2021-05-27 14:23:58	gigasu_shida	My browser freezes up a lot. I have a decent number of tabs open for shopping real estate. but not that many like some ppl. like maybe 15 or so
2021-05-27 14:25:31	gigasu_shida	First the browser will cause my windowing system to freeze up. then i'll go into VC and about half the time it works to kill the browser and I can go back out of VC and restart my browser. but about half the time I get a hung virtual console and I have to go press the power switch
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2021-05-27 14:26:07	gigasu_shida	"Does the whole system freeze?  Or just the console?" I don't know what you mean by this. I can't get back out of virtual console so I assume the whole system has frozen
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2021-05-27 14:26:36	gigasu_shida	I don't know if I'm out of resources. that's something I never checked. I have 6GB of RAM and don't run many things. I have linux Mint 19.2
2021-05-27 14:26:47	gigasu_shida	I usually just have a browser and hexchat open
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2021-05-27 14:28:03	jjakob	that's symptoms of running out of memory
2021-05-27 14:28:47	jjakob	you should have a top (or resource monitor) window open at all times and look at the RAM and SWAP lines
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2021-05-27 14:29:23	jjakob	or have a indicator that displays ram and swap usage and watch that it doesn't get too high
2021-05-27 14:29:24	gigasu_shida	oh crap thanks for tip
2021-05-27 14:29:39	jjakob	what DE does Mint have?
2021-05-27 14:29:39	gigasu_shida	my system is 12 years old now. i need to upgrade
2021-05-27 14:30:15	gigasu_shida	i think Mint's Desktop Environ is called Cinnamon
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2021-05-27 14:30:20	jjakob	well, I used to do most of my stuff on a core 2 duo w/ 4GB RAM until about a year ago
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2021-05-27 14:30:48	jjakob	I upgraded to a core 2 quad w/ 8GB RAM, just cause all the web browsing stuff used so much memory
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2021-05-27 14:31:35	jjakob	it's more important that you keep updating the software side of things
2021-05-27 14:32:48	jjakob	well, I don't know how Cinnamon calls them, Ubuntu called them indicators, that you could install and they'd show how much cpu, ram, swap,... you're using at the top or bottom of the screen in a nonintrusive way
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2021-05-27 14:33:02	jjakob	I used indicator-multiload
2021-05-27 14:33:22	jjakob	now that I use dwm, I have slstatus
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2021-05-27 14:33:53	gigasu_shida	updating the software is important? wouldn't that just eat up more memory? because usually newer software eats up more mem
2021-05-27 14:34:13	gigasu_shida	lol core 2 quad is even older than my i7 920
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2021-05-27 14:34:33	jjakob	well, if you talk about Gnome, yeah, but you can't get around it, if you don't update you're open to tons of security vulnerabilities
2021-05-27 14:34:49	gigasu_shida	oh ok
2021-05-27 14:35:03	jjakob	core 2 quad is good enough to run gentoo and compile everything in a reasonable amount of time
2021-05-27 14:35:11	MrElendig	gnome 40 uses less ram for me than 3.34->3.38
2021-05-27 14:35:13	jjakob	also I have it watercooled
2021-05-27 14:35:35	jjakob	but regardless, always update as soon as you see there are updates
2021-05-27 14:35:43	jjakob	some do it daily, I do it about weekly
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2021-05-27 14:36:35	jjakob	browsers use more memory also because websites have become a lot more bloated
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2021-05-27 14:36:58	jjakob	but you can't not update them cause they're the most under attack
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2021-05-27 14:37:17	MrElendig	jjakob: also the sandboxing have "bloated" the memory use a lot
2021-05-27 14:37:51	jjakob	I used to watch how much RAM a site used (Firefox, Chrome have tools that display ram usage of each tab) and stopped going to sites that were bloated.
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2021-05-27 14:38:00	jjakob	Google is the most guilty of this.
2021-05-27 14:38:15	MrElendig	chrome has a process per tab
2021-05-27 14:38:30	MrElendig	firefox has a process pool by default
2021-05-27 14:38:37	jjakob	MrElendig: right, so do most other browsers, but you can't know which tab is which process
2021-05-27 14:38:43	Manouchehri	MrElendig: more than that, it's a process per context more or less.
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2021-05-27 14:39:07	jjakob	well, I use vimb, uses webkit-gtk, that has processes per tab
2021-05-27 14:39:24	Manouchehri	jjakob: Chromium's built in task manager will tell you the PIDs for each tab
2021-05-27 14:39:26	ignapk	is there an irc channel for directfb?
2021-05-27 14:39:46	jjakob	shame I won't use chromium as I'm pretty good with vimb
2021-05-27 14:40:18	jjakob	I can run xprop, click the window I want to see, then look at the mem usage in top
2021-05-27 14:40:29	jjakob	from the pid xprop prints
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2021-05-27 15:11:37	blahboybaz	When I've had to deal with fpm before I had to go in and alter like a main config file but I'm wondering if there is a way to break each unique config out into it's own separate file (php8.0-fpm). I would be happy to search for it but I don't really know what to call what I want to do so I don't really know what to search for. Amy guidance would be greately appreciated
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2021-05-27 15:13:24	panosdev	blahboybaz: are you referring to a php.ini like config?
2021-05-27 15:14:10	blahboybaz	I think it was php-fpm.conf that I would have to go in and add to or modify every time but that is a huge main config file and I would only have to change a few lines in it. I thought maybe I could just put the unique part in a separate file then point to it in php-fpm.conf ?
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2021-05-27 15:14:46	blahboybaz	It was because I had some kind of issue with running a laravel project locally (something to do with perms?) and fpm ended up being a soln that worked
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2021-05-27 15:15:22	blahboybaz	/etc/php/8.0/php-fpm.conf (on ubuntu)
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2021-05-27 15:21:15	panosdev	blahboybaz: with php-fpm you can create a config for each virtual host where you can set php settings individually with the php_admin_value and php_admin_flag options
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2021-05-27 15:21:53	lovetruth	Hello people :)
2021-05-27 15:22:04	lovetruth	Anyone here worked with luks?... :)
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2021-05-27 15:22:22	lovetruth	For some reason, the key I keep adding to key slot 7 does not rok
2021-05-27 15:22:24	lovetruth	work*
2021-05-27 15:22:34	lovetruth	I have slot 0 and slot 7 only
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2021-05-27 15:24:15	oxek	what do you mean by does not work?
2021-05-27 15:25:15	lovetruth	Well I type the key in a keyfile - and then, when I try to use it to open the encrypted .img partition file - only the first (slot 0) key works!
2021-05-27 15:25:32	lovetruth	Slot 1 doesn't (neither slot 7)
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2021-05-27 15:26:16	lovetruth	Meaning - the password that should have been in slot 1 (the password from the keyhole)
2021-05-27 15:26:19	lovetruth	keyfile*
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2021-05-27 15:27:53	oxek	did you use luksDump to verify they are added?
2021-05-27 15:29:15	blahboybaz	panosdev: You mean in the apache .conf files found in /etc/apache2/sites-available   ?
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2021-05-27 15:29:35	oxek	also you can try --key-slot <0-7> to directly specify the slot to try to open, though it shouldn't be necessary
2021-05-27 15:29:44	blahboybaz	php_admin_value does not look like an apache directive
2021-05-27 15:29:57	panosdev	blahboybaz: no, those are the apache configuration files where you create new name based virtual hosts
2021-05-27 15:30:09	panosdev	it's a php-fpm option
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2021-05-27 15:30:32	panosdev	there's apache configuration, php-fpm configuration and php configuration
2021-05-27 15:30:41	blahboybaz	oh
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2021-05-27 15:31:02	blahboybaz	is there some reference to what you are talking about so I can learn all about it?
2021-05-27 15:31:15	blahboybaz	I mean specifically about doing what I was asking about
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2021-05-27 15:35:31	panosdev	blahboybaz: I dm'd you, can you read it?
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2021-05-27 15:36:22	blahboybaz	panosdev: oh shoot I'm sorry I'm usning a new (cli based) irc client - irssi - and I don't know how to operate it for that
2021-05-27 15:36:34	blahboybaz	I'm just learning it and never had to do that yet
2021-05-27 15:36:48	panosdev	no worries I'll use this channel then
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2021-05-27 15:38:33	panosdev	ah you found it
2021-05-27 15:38:41	blahboybaz	panosdev: yes see ya there
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2021-05-27 15:43:39	blinux	Has anyone else noticed that the Steam user interface, specifically the left hand column, has gone totally crazy and unusable within the last 12 months or so?
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2021-05-27 15:45:52	larzen	Anyone on Alpine linux here?
2021-05-27 15:46:18	oxek	larzen: someone probably is
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2021-05-27 15:46:50	lovetruth	oxek, of course I checked with luksdumdp
2021-05-27 15:46:55	lovetruth	It has been added indeed
2021-05-27 15:47:06	larzen	I am just curious if there is an x86_64 build that is similar to their arm64 build that loads the entire OS into memory and uses lbu to commit any changes
2021-05-27 15:47:24	oxek	lovetruth: and you're using a keyfile right? Not just a long password?
2021-05-27 15:47:33	oxek	there was a bug with long passwords in some kernel version
2021-05-27 15:47:57	lovetruth	oxek, yes, a keyhole
2021-05-27 15:48:03	lovetruth	A keyfile*
2021-05-27 15:48:07	lovetruth	Stupid autocorrect :))
2021-05-27 15:48:17	lovetruth	And the password I've been tested are short
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2021-05-27 15:48:36	lovetruth	I'll use longer passwords - but for now it's just not working with these short passwords
2021-05-27 15:49:13	oxek	how are you inputting those passwords? Typing them or copying them from somewhere?
2021-05-27 15:49:29	lovetruth	Cat keyfile
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2021-05-27 15:49:51	lovetruth	Like cat keyfile | cryptsetup open [...]
2021-05-27 15:50:14	oxek	hmm
2021-05-27 15:50:16	lovetruth	Tried manually with same results
2021-05-27 15:50:30	lovetruth	Even with --debug
2021-05-27 15:50:57	jjakob	cryptsetup has a --keyfile option
2021-05-27 15:50:58	lovetruth	This is really odd
2021-05-27 15:51:04	jjakob	you shouldn't cat it
2021-05-27 15:51:13	oxek	can you try `cryptsetup open --key-file keyfile ..."
2021-05-27 15:51:13	lovetruth	jjakob, you mean when opening?
2021-05-27 15:51:20	jjakob	yes
2021-05-27 15:51:33	jjakob	and also when adding the key
2021-05-27 15:51:48	jjakob	how did you generate the keyfile?
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2021-05-27 15:52:21	lovetruth	Lol, it worked! :)
2021-05-27 15:52:33	jjakob	if it has all random binary characters in it, cat'ing it to stdin of something that waits for a newline to terminate the reading won't read in the whole binary data
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2021-05-27 15:52:52	lovetruth	Can't I use bash variables to send the password?... :)
2021-05-27 15:52:54	jjakob	that's why you shouldn't cat binary data
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2021-05-27 15:53:23	oxek	lovetruth: don't store binary data in bash variables
2021-05-27 15:53:26	jjakob	sure you could, if you mean environment variables, would work fine if cryptsetup supported them
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2021-05-27 15:53:43	jjakob	oxek: why not
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2021-05-27 15:54:07	lovetruth	oxek, if you use 'werewewrsdfdsfsdfasdf' - that should work, right?...
2021-05-27 15:54:08	jjakob	oh right, escaping
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2021-05-27 15:54:25	jjakob	lovetruth: right
2021-05-27 15:54:26	oxek	lovetruth: yeah, as long as it is correct ASCII it will be fine
2021-05-27 15:54:33	jjakob	that's why I asked how you generated it
2021-05-27 15:55:03	jjakob	# openssl rand -base64 24 | tr -d '\\ /+=\r\n'
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2021-05-27 15:55:37	oxek	jjakob: https://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashFAQ/058
2021-05-27 15:56:00	jjakob	that's a low amount of entropy however, you can increase it
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2021-05-27 15:57:12	jjakob	oxek: I swear that wiki has everything in it
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2021-05-27 15:57:25	oxek	it does
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2021-05-27 15:58:30	oxek	cat /dev/urandom | tr -dc '[:alnum:]' | head -c 80 && echo
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2021-05-27 15:59:14	oxek	the 80 is overkill of course
2021-05-27 16:00:24	lovetruth	oxek, faking tpm module is good enough :) - no need for the real device there :)
2021-05-27 16:00:47	lovetruth	Eventually obfuscating everything a little with proper tools :)
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2021-05-27 16:01:28	lovetruth	Is luks still vulnerable to the 70 seconds Enter attack?... :)
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2021-05-27 16:02:57	Deliciacremosa	hi guys
2021-05-27 16:03:50	Deliciacremosa	ninguem?
2021-05-27 16:03:57	Deliciacremosa	q azar kkkkk
2021-05-27 16:04:03	Deliciacremosa	flw galerinha
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2021-05-27 16:15:51	rangergord	Is there a command I could run (on Debian) that would tell me whether there's non-free firmware available for my hardware?
2021-05-27 16:16:17	rangergord	or do people just install the firmware-linux-nonfree package or whatever, and hope for the best?
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2021-05-27 16:18:44	altwulf	Public Service Announcement: read the /topic. This channel may go POOF without warning at any time.
2021-05-27 16:19:08	oxek	indeed, SMS-speak is really bad, avoid it in here
2021-05-27 16:19:42	oxek	rangergord: usually `dmesg` would tell you about missing firmware
2021-05-27 16:19:58	oxek	just grep it for 'firmware'
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2021-05-27 16:23:25	triceratux	https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Official-FreeBSD-IRC-channels-now-on-Libera-Chat
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2021-05-27 16:26:50	Aryan	how can I which process is using the most bandwidth? `iftop` doesn't show the process
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2021-05-27 16:28:07	Thuryn	Aryan, have you tried ntop?
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2021-05-27 16:32:03	Aryan	Thuryn, goin to
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2021-05-27 16:35:58	oxek	triceratux: bsd, not linux, and also offtopic
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2021-05-27 16:46:01	gigasu_shida	jjakob: why did you upgrade to just a core2quad? when did you upgrade?
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2021-05-27 16:48:24	rangergord	Public announcement: the people in this channel decided to stay here on Freenode. We sent the undesirables to Libera.
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2021-05-27 16:49:01	rangergord	And I don't mean the cool kind of undesirables, like in a mafia movie. Mostly mentally ill schizos.
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2021-05-27 16:49:34	oxek	you know better than that rangergord
2021-05-27 16:49:53	rangergord	oxek: all hardware already works , but I'm sure some would have better performance with non-free firmware. I'm just curious if it's possible to tell which HW specifically, without using trial and error and installing a global package.
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2021-05-27 16:50:24	rangergord	oxek: I don't see you calling out altwulf for his blatantly false "PSAs"
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2021-05-27 16:50:42	oxek	rangergord: that's what dmesg would tell you - it will always warn if it doesn't find some firmware that could otherwise be loaded
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2021-05-27 16:52:26	oxek	and I did comment on altwulf, agreeing with them that SMS-speak is bad, as per /topic, and that every channel can go POOF, just like everything else in life. A data center can burn down, ...
2021-05-27 16:52:58	 *	triceratux goes poof
2021-05-27 16:53:09	rangergord	This channel is never going poof. The only poof here is altwulf.
2021-05-27 16:53:13	rangergord	This channel will remain regardless of what mentally ill drama queens  want
2021-05-27 16:53:36	synthetek	^^
2021-05-27 16:53:44	rangergord	If someone tries to "force" us to migrate, I will contact Freenode staff to take over this channel, so it can remain open for those of us who want to be here
2021-05-27 16:53:56	rangergord	In fact I should probably report altwulf for spamming
2021-05-27 16:53:58	oxek	this channel is safe, it is ##
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2021-05-27 16:54:49	rangergord	I don't really care about pointless details. It's a community, and no one gets to close it.
2021-05-27 16:55:31	Thuryn	hakuna your tatas there, bub
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2021-05-27 16:56:09	rangergord	oxek: what keyword am I looking for in dmesg? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/c9SGJmB2jZ   there's no matches for fw, blob. And the only match for "firmware" is a Spectre warning.
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2021-05-27 16:57:29	oxek	rangergord: looks good to me, no warning about missing firmware, and it is loading that i915 firmware
2021-05-27 16:57:35	rangergord	oh, that reminds me, I gotta disable Spectre mitigation for an easy 15% perf boost
2021-05-27 16:58:05	oxek	rangergord: mitigations=off
2021-05-27 16:58:12	oxek	to disable them all, if you know what you're doing
2021-05-27 16:58:37	rangergord	Yeah no external input reaches that system.
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2021-05-27 16:59:57	rangergord	any other suggestions for easy no-brainer security-related gains?
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2021-05-27 17:00:35	rangergord	just general ideas for me to google
2021-05-27 17:00:42	oxek	mitigations=off is one thing, other stuff would be making /tmp a tmpfs instead of an actual partition, and maybe disabling swap completely if you have enough RAM
2021-05-27 17:00:50	oxek	you can also play with schedulers
2021-05-27 17:01:19	oxek	oh I read that as performace gains, not security related
2021-05-27 17:01:28	Thuryn	and maybe disabling swap completely if you have enough RAM  <-- is that safe once again?
2021-05-27 17:01:29	oxek	there are lots of security things you can do, too many to list
2021-05-27 17:01:35	Thuryn	for a while, that caused a lot of trouble
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2021-05-27 17:01:41	rangergord	I already disabled swap, I'll look at tmpfs, that sounds great. I never dealt with schedulers, what sort of thing should I look into? I'm just running a dedicated touchscreen app.
2021-05-27 17:01:43	oxek	Thuryn: it is safe, IF you have enough RAM
2021-05-27 17:02:09	Thuryn	oxek, cool.  for a while there - several years ago now - the kernel would kind of freak out if there was NO swap available.
2021-05-27 17:02:33	oxek	I remember something like that, it's fine now
2021-05-27 17:02:36	rangergord	Thuryn: IIRC Kubuntu 18.04 (or 16.04) wouldn't install properly if you didn't create a swap partition, but it was fixed since
2021-05-27 17:02:37	Thuryn	this lead to a couple of religious wars.
2021-05-27 17:02:43	Thuryn	good.
2021-05-27 17:02:46	oxek	having swap just delays oom problems, doesn't fix them
2021-05-27 17:03:13	rangergord	exactly
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2021-05-27 17:03:34	Thuryn	Yeah.  It has its place, but it shouldn't be a requirement for things to *work*, especially if you're building something fairly specialized in the first place.
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2021-05-27 17:03:59	Thuryn	People found that turning off swap caused something ridiculous like a 40% performance penalty.  Glad that's fixed.
2021-05-27 17:04:22	rangergord	I'll have to take a few days and sit down and benchmark stuff eventually
2021-05-27 17:04:30	rangergord	to be able to put a real number on these tweaks
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2021-05-27 17:04:58	Thuryn	that's fun.
2021-05-27 17:05:04	 *	Thuryn is envious
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2021-05-27 17:05:51	rangergord	I can post a report later, though it would be specific to my hardware. I'd use an established tool like sysbench or whatever
2021-05-27 17:05:56	lovetruth	How did that happen?... (40% performance penalty)?!...
2021-05-27 17:06:02	oxek	Thuryn: you can always create a compressed RAM drive and put swap on it :)
2021-05-27 17:06:21	rangergord	sysbench, stress-ng...there's also Phoronix but I saw it needed mySQL or something so I never tried it
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2021-05-27 17:06:42	Thuryn	oxek, EW!  LOL
2021-05-27 17:06:42	lovetruth	oxek, smart... but still overkill :)
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2021-05-27 17:06:57	oxek	Thuryn: it is eww indeed, but it worked during the times of that bug
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2021-05-27 17:07:29	Thuryn	I just made a 16 MB swapfile in /tmp at the time.
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2021-05-27 17:08:28	lovetruth	Thuryn, which bistro?
2021-05-27 17:08:32	lovetruth	distro* :))
2021-05-27 17:09:18	Thuryn	Fedora Core (back when it was still Fedora CORE).  Though IIRC RHEL had the same problem.
2021-05-27 17:09:18	Thuryn	We're talking, like, RHEL 3.
2021-05-27 17:09:19	Thuryn	ages ago.
2021-05-27 17:09:32	Thuryn	I've had, like, several *children* since then.
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2021-05-27 17:11:01	oxek	not a fan of vhemt then?
2021-05-27 17:11:40	Thuryn	don't know of it.
2021-05-27 17:11:50	oxek	probably for the best
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2021-05-27 17:12:14	Thuryn	ha!
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2021-05-27 17:27:23	gigasu_shida	why do ppl use gentoo over Mint/Ubuntu?
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2021-05-27 17:29:33	oxek	that's a very broad question
2021-05-27 17:29:49	akoana	probably for they same reason why other people run Mint/Ubuntu instead of gentoo...
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2021-05-27 17:30:12	akoana	they like to doing it ;)
2021-05-27 17:30:24	akoana	s/do//
2021-05-27 17:30:35	akoana	damn s/to//
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2021-05-27 17:33:38	rangergord	gigasu_shida: nostalgia for people over age 40
2021-05-27 17:33:57	rangergord	or 45...
2021-05-27 17:34:00	gigasu_shida	is there a memory usage advantage?
2021-05-27 17:34:04	gigasu_shida	LOL
2021-05-27 17:34:13	Thuryn	I'm over 45.  I just run Debian.
2021-05-27 17:34:18	oxek	nostalgia might have some part in it. Slackware and gentoo are the two oldest surviving distros, no?
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2021-05-27 17:34:58	gigasu_shida	I'm almost 40 and I don't have any nostalgic urges as far as software goes, except i guess that i liked the snappiness of software back in the day
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2021-05-27 17:35:09	gigasu_shida	but hexchat feels pretty snappy
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2021-05-27 17:35:23	gigasu_shida	i don't use things like discord which are supposedly kinda heavy
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2021-05-27 17:35:34	Thuryn	"i liked the snappiness of software back in the day"   <-- this
2021-05-27 17:35:38	oxek	I too miss how responsive everything used to be
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2021-05-27 17:35:58	rangergord	Discord is "heavy" because it's not a native app like C/C++ apps back in the day, it's an Electron app. So it's basically Chrome loading a local webpage.
2021-05-27 17:36:07	rangergord	lots of inefficiency there
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2021-05-27 17:48:09	Noir	GigaG33k: I think people enjoy lighter distros because they can choose exactly what's installed. With gentoo you can also compile everything with whatever flags you want.
2021-05-27 17:48:14	Noir	gigasu_shida: ^*
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2021-05-27 17:51:45	ad__	i tested void, initial setup is minimal, you ass packages as needed
2021-05-27 17:51:52	ad__	*add
2021-05-27 17:51:54	ad__	:)
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2021-05-27 18:00:43	routeveg	Hi all
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2021-05-27 18:00:56	routeveg	Anyone know any tricks for making arm64 qemu run faster on x86_64?
2021-05-27 18:01:36	routeveg	Info around tuning seems to be sparse. I've got a lot of memory to play with - would be nice to trade some of that for throughput somehow
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2021-05-27 18:08:24	NeilG	How come my .zprofile is not being loaded on zsh?
2021-05-27 18:08:40	rangergord	I swear Debian's installer authors are retarded. The installer auto-locks while you're waiting for it to copy files, and you gotta enter a password (and google it, it's "live") to get it to unlock
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2021-05-27 18:11:29	akoana	NeilG: is zsh your login shell?
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2021-05-27 18:11:39	NeilG	akoana, I can't seem to figure otu what that means
2021-05-27 18:11:43	NeilG	I'm just on my desktop
2021-05-27 18:11:56	NeilG	it's ubuntu
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2021-05-27 18:13:45	akoana	NeilG: in a terminal when you enter    grep -F $USER /etc/passwd   what is the last field (at the end of the line starting with : )?
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2021-05-27 18:14:13	akoana	for example here it displays   ...:/bin/bash
2021-05-27 18:14:17	NeilG	akoana, :/home/neil:/usr/bin/zsh
2021-05-27 18:14:42	akoana	ok, so I looks like it is your login shell
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2021-05-27 18:15:02	NeilG	so isn't zsh supposed to source .zprofile?
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2021-05-27 18:15:10	akoana	only for logins
2021-05-27 18:15:17	NeilG	you just said it's my login shell
2021-05-27 18:15:18	NeilG	?
2021-05-27 18:15:37	IIIFE	I don't care about saving my session, is it wrong to force other users to not be able to save their session either by not installing a session manager?
2021-05-27 18:15:48	akoana	it will not be sourced by zsh when you a new terminal
2021-05-27 18:15:59	akoana	^^ NeilG
2021-05-27 18:16:44	akoana	NeilG: see 1st answer here https://serverfault.com/questions/901403/zsh-not-sourcing-zprofile
2021-05-27 18:16:44	NeilG	akoana, yes, but I just restarted my system and it didn't source it either
2021-05-27 18:17:05	NeilG	akoana, yeah, thanks, I looked at that, and I guess I didn't understand it
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2021-05-27 18:17:48	NeilG	I guess I don't understand when zprofile is sourced if it's not sourced when I log in to my machine locally
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2021-05-27 18:19:18	akoana	NeilG: opening a terminal does not start a new login normally, some terminal emulators have an option to do so however, for example xterm has -ls for that
2021-05-27 18:19:50	akoana	( xterm -ls )
2021-05-27 18:20:22	NeilG	akoana, I undefrstand that, but if I log into my machine, it won't source it then?
2021-05-27 18:20:25	NeilG	only if I ssh?
2021-05-27 18:20:36	oxek	rangergord: use the text installer instead of the graphical one
2021-05-27 18:20:42	NeilG	but just turning my machine on and logging into ubuntu is not considered a login?
2021-05-27 18:21:06	oxek	rangergord: wait, are you even using the installer cd, or a live cd?
2021-05-27 18:21:32	rangergord	LiveCD
2021-05-27 18:22:08	oxek	the LiveCD has that issue, but it is by design. Think of it more as a demo of debian.
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2021-05-27 18:22:27	akoana	NeilG: login = when you see the login prompt and enter your username and password, or use a login dialog in X11
2021-05-27 18:22:53	NeilG	akoana, yeah, so I saw a login dialog in X11, so why wasn't .zprofile sourced?
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2021-05-27 18:23:00	rangergord	if the regular install doesn't have it, then that's good
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2021-05-27 18:23:18	oxek	rangergord: yeah, regular install cd doesn't have this "feature"
2021-05-27 18:23:24	NeilG	akoana, is opening a terminal a different shell then?
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2021-05-27 18:23:52	oxek	the Live CD is mainly used to test if debian can run on the system or to show it off
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2021-05-27 18:24:04	akoana	NeilG: yes, but not a new login usually...
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2021-05-27 18:24:48	akoana	NeilG: so a new zsh should source .zshrc
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2021-05-27 18:25:28	NeilG	akoana, and zshenv, right?
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2021-05-27 18:25:49	NeilG	which is where my $PATH updating should be done, I guess?
2021-05-27 18:26:00	akoana	yes, that's for all zsh shells, login shells and no login shells
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2021-05-27 18:26:54	akoana	if PATH is set in .zprofile and exported, all child processes should inherit PATH
2021-05-27 18:27:10	NeilG	akoana, you're confusing me
2021-05-27 18:27:16	NeilG	akoana, I did set the PATH in my zprofile
2021-05-27 18:27:17	IIIFE	Am I being the bad guy if I expect users to not use a session manager? As in when they close X and log back in, they start with a fresh X session.
2021-05-27 18:27:29	NeilG	akoana, isn't opening a terminal, a "child process"?
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2021-05-27 18:27:44	NeilG	akoana, or are new terminals not children of anything then?
2021-05-27 18:27:45	akoana	you need to export PATH to get it into the environt
2021-05-27 18:27:50	NeilG	akoana, I did export it
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2021-05-27 18:28:06	ayecee	IIIFE: yes
2021-05-27 18:28:33	akoana	and your settings are not in PATH for the terminal shells?
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2021-05-27 18:29:43	akoana	NeilG: if not, I'd put it in ~/.zshenv to have it set in all zsh sessions
2021-05-27 18:30:15	NeilG	akoana, nope
2021-05-27 18:30:30	NeilG	akoana, so am I correct that opening a terminal is not a child process?
2021-05-27 18:30:57	akoana	that depends on your desktop environment and how you start it
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2021-05-27 18:32:25	NeilG	akoana, okay, I'm using the default Ubuntu.   Is it badly configured/
2021-05-27 18:32:26	NeilG	?
2021-05-27 18:32:35	akoana	you can see if a process is a child process of your login shell, when you look at ps  for a child process its PPID is the PID of your login shell
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2021-05-27 18:34:03	akoana	NeilG: I'm using bash without any problems of that kind, even in ubuntu, so I can't tell what's happening with your zsh and your configuration...
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2021-05-27 18:34:44	NeilG	akoana, ok thanks
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2021-05-27 18:35:27	akoana	maybe a zsh guru can help you better than me...
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2021-05-27 18:41:46	 *	akoana thinks ~/.zprofile, ~/.zshrc, ~/.zshenv, ~/.zshprofile is a bit overengineering
2021-05-27 18:42:11	koala_man	NeilG: I haven't followed the backlog much, but for historical reasons shells differentiate between the initial shell (login shell) and nested interactive shells, and .zprofile only applies to login shells. A common problem is that tools disagree about whether any given shell should be nested or not
2021-05-27 18:42:27	NeilG	koala_man, makes sense
2021-05-27 18:42:30	koala_man	or considered nested, that is
2021-05-27 18:42:38	NeilG	koala_man, so should I just use zshenv then?
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2021-05-27 18:43:39	koala_man	NeilG: it applies to all shells so it's a safe option, yes.
2021-05-27 18:44:05	NeilG	thanks, both
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2021-05-27 20:07:52	rangergord	Public Service Announcement: we're staying on Freenode. However, those of us who have preferred pronouns have gone to Libera.
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2021-05-27 20:09:27	triceratux	https://i.imgur.com/Kt0XjGQ.jpg
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2021-05-27 20:12:09	immibisPraiseLee	rangergord: thanks she
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2021-05-27 20:12:21	immibisPraiseLee	triceratux: lol ++
2021-05-27 20:12:34	triceratux	:)
2021-05-27 20:12:54	rangergord	joke's on you, I'm not wearing underwear
2021-05-27 20:12:56	rangergord	or pants
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2021-05-27 20:19:17	iflema	:D
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2021-05-27 20:20:11	iflema	done with all the washing?
2021-05-27 20:20:30	iflema	costing too much
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2021-05-27 20:24:24	ayecee	these are tough times, but you don't have to tighten your belt if you're not wearing pants
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2021-05-27 20:25:10	altwulf	rangergord: make no mistake, this channel WILL be going away. You're free to stay if you want, but you may not like your new home.
2021-05-27 20:25:52	rangergord	You're gonna be there, and not here, eventually, right? That's all I need.
2021-05-27 20:26:09	Dresden	Nice
2021-05-27 20:26:28	ayecee	rangergord: you're making it hard to be missed
2021-05-27 20:26:42	Dresden	ayecee: your attitude isn't something that can be missed
2021-05-27 20:26:54	Dresden	We come here to talk about Linux, no one has the right to say "nah can't do that ehre"
2021-05-27 20:27:05	rangergord	ayecee is the grumpy veteran with the heart of gold. It's OK for him to be an ass.
2021-05-27 20:27:05	Dresden	Especially some twerp who just happened to register the channel 20 years ago
2021-05-27 20:27:08	ayecee	that would mean more if i knew who you are
2021-05-27 20:27:15	Dresden	So either help what's left, or sod off please
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2021-05-27 20:27:56	rangergord	do you put your preferred pronouns in your nicks, e.g. ayecee_xir , on Liberal?
2021-05-27 20:28:05	Dresden	rangergord: don't start with that either man
2021-05-27 20:28:08	routeveg	I am confused; what is going on?
2021-05-27 20:28:19	routeveg	Tried scrolling back, am still confused. TLDR?
2021-05-27 20:28:22	ayecee	Dresden: rules for thee and not for me, eh
2021-05-27 20:28:28	rascul	routeveg pie is delicious
2021-05-27 20:28:40	rangergord	just saying, certain demographics are very overrepresented in the Freenode staffers who left
2021-05-27 20:28:41	Dresden	ayecee: please, if you insist on going to Liberia - go there, please don't try and sabotage this side
2021-05-27 20:28:43	routeveg	Well obv, that goes without saying
2021-05-27 20:28:57	ldlework	Dresden: he's not wrong, it's pretty clear it's an even tighter ideological echo-chamber than freenode was until a short time ago.
2021-05-27 20:29:13	ldlework	It's worth pointing out and not pretending that's a feature of our universe.
2021-05-27 20:29:16	Dresden	ldlework: awesome there's a channel for that I'm sure
2021-05-27 20:29:19	Dresden	This one is Linux
2021-05-27 20:29:26	ayecee	Dresden: so talk about linux.
2021-05-27 20:29:33	rascul	i linux so hard
2021-05-27 20:29:33	ayecee	Dresden: practice what you preach.
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2021-05-27 20:30:24	Dresden	ayecee: I'd like to - truly
2021-05-27 20:30:32	ayecee	no one's stopping you
2021-05-27 20:30:43	ldlework	Dresden: I'm with you, but to expect no one to remark on what's happening is naive.
2021-05-27 20:30:50	rangergord	as we speak I'm building an embedded OS using debos, the final link that allows people to create customizable "proper distro" OS builds (Debian/Ubuntu only), without having to learn Yocto. Pretty cool! Prettay, prettay cool.
2021-05-27 20:31:00	rascul	the remarking is becoming annoying
2021-05-27 20:31:06	Dresden	ldlework: I expect it sure, but to deliberately harm what's left, that's terrible
2021-05-27 20:31:24	ldlework	Yeah well the community is made up of individuals who are not all on the same wavelength or point in the process of processing all of it.
2021-05-27 20:31:35	ldlework	So "wah I've already been through this" is vapid self-prioritization
2021-05-27 20:31:40	ayecee	you keep using that word. i don't think it means what you think it means.
2021-05-27 20:31:44	ayecee	deliberately.
2021-05-27 20:31:47	Dresden	Wavelength?
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2021-05-27 20:32:04	routeveg	Plz take discussions of wavelength to ##electronics thx
2021-05-27 20:32:08	routeveg	 /s
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2021-05-27 20:32:18	ayecee	frequency times time
2021-05-27 20:32:53	ayecee	no, that's not right.
2021-05-27 20:33:09	routeveg	I think wavelength is the one that takes time. Arguably.
2021-05-27 20:33:20	rangergord	this is a bit like those upset Americans after Trump got elected who went "I'm moving to Canada[/New Zealand/Australia/other white country]", but they ended up staying in America, except they want to poison America. In fact it's exactly like that situation.
2021-05-27 20:33:22	routeveg	If you have 0 time, no opportunity for your wave to gain length
2021-05-27 20:33:25	ayecee	yeah. it would be frequency times speed of light.
2021-05-27 20:33:26	Dresden	rangergord: please stop man
2021-05-27 20:33:29	routeveg	S C I E N C E
2021-05-27 20:33:37	rangergord	Dresden: ok, 4 u
2021-05-27 20:33:56	 *	routeveg is trying to figure out who's side everyone is on, and of what
2021-05-27 20:34:01	ldlework	rangergord: last thing I'll say, I agree this fiasco has been a microcosm of a wider phenomena
2021-05-27 20:34:06	rascul	i'm on the inside
2021-05-27 20:34:13	 *	routeveg hurts themself in their confusion
2021-05-27 20:35:00	altwulf	rangergord: take it on the road.
2021-05-27 20:35:22	ldlework	they already aquiesced, what's the point of additional comments to dogpile?
2021-05-27 20:35:32	ldlework	right, signaling
2021-05-27 20:35:38	ayecee	they've acquiesced a half dozen times already
2021-05-27 20:35:42	rangergord	routeveg: it's a pretty simple situation, I mean. I'm on the side of God, and people who disagree with me are satanic heretics .
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2021-05-27 20:35:49	ayecee	it has no meaning
2021-05-27 20:36:08	ldlework	then the process of continuing to ask is just as useless beyond signaling
2021-05-27 20:36:20	rascul	who is asking what?
2021-05-27 20:36:22	rascul	i'll answer
2021-05-27 20:36:40	ayecee	asking rangergord to stfu
2021-05-27 20:36:41	ldlework	rascul: what is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow?
2021-05-27 20:36:56	rascul	what kind of swallow though?
2021-05-27 20:37:07	ldlework	The unladen kind.
2021-05-27 20:37:08	ayecee	a choking swallow
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2021-05-27 20:37:27	altwulf	Dresden, nobody is sabotaging anything. Freenode destroyed itself.
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2021-05-27 20:37:32	rascul	is it the european or african swallow?
2021-05-27 20:37:45	routeveg	tbh virtue signalling is pretty basic thing that people do. It's like 90% of most communication i'm pretty sure - we're social like that.
2021-05-27 20:38:09	routeveg	How else do you figure out if you're talking to a twat?
2021-05-27 20:38:18	ldlework	There is no african swallow.
2021-05-27 20:38:25	altwulf	routeveg: take it on the road.
2021-05-27 20:38:26	ayecee	when someone says virtue signalling unironically you know it's going to be a dumb conversation.
2021-05-27 20:38:43	rangergord	ayecee: is there a better term for it?
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2021-05-27 20:38:45	routeveg	altwulf: what does that mean?
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2021-05-27 20:38:57	ldlework	When you hear people defend vacuous effortless rhetoric as substance you know you're surrounded by ideologues.
2021-05-27 20:39:05	ayecee	rangergord: the problem is the concept and not the term.
2021-05-27 20:39:08	altwulf	It means it's irrelevant if you're talking to a "twat" or not. Keep it civil.
2021-05-27 20:39:52	ayecee	rangergord: it's used to reject and ridicule any apparent positive actions.
2021-05-27 20:39:57	rangergord	ayecee: the concept is a very real thing. It's what drives 99% of non-work-related communication from journalists, politicians, and these days even tech employees.
2021-05-27 20:40:11	ldlework	apparently positive, vacuous effortless rhetoric
2021-05-27 20:40:15	ayecee	yeah, see, you're doing it too
2021-05-27 20:40:18	ldlework	that only serve to demonstrate your in-group membership
2021-05-27 20:40:19	rangergord	no, only empty gestures and statements that are done for attention whoring
2021-05-27 20:40:22	ayecee	and it's a dumb conversation
2021-05-27 20:40:25	ayecee	so, q e mf d
2021-05-27 20:40:28	ldlework	rangergord: indeed
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2021-05-27 20:40:45	ldlework	"don't call out one of my fundamental methods of domineering conversations and people, that's dumb!"
2021-05-27 20:40:50	ldlework	k
2021-05-27 20:40:59	routeveg	Eh; we have our comfort zones. Some people's start and end different places to others, and they do become relevant to 'real work', eg: As far as I can tell there's some anti-snowflakey debate going on here. Some of the best software engineers I know happen to be such snowflakes who need consideration in order to do their best work. I'm happy to give them what they need so they can keep kicking ass.
2021-05-27 20:41:27	rascul	no snowflakes in mississippi
2021-05-27 20:41:29	rascul	doesn't get cold enough
2021-05-27 20:41:30	ldlework	"Some of the best people I know engage in this behavior, therefore it's OK and ethically justified and morally sound"
2021-05-27 20:41:31	ldlework	great argument
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2021-05-27 20:41:39	 *	pnbeast mails rascul a really big icecube.
2021-05-27 20:41:53	rascul	ice ice baby
2021-05-27 20:42:05	routeveg	ldlework: I ain't talking about morals, i'm talking about "getting stuff done" which is ultimately what we're all here for, aren't we?
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2021-05-27 20:42:15	pnbeast	No!  They're way too small and they get hypothermic very quickly.
2021-05-27 20:42:15	ayecee	uh, no
2021-05-27 20:42:28	rascul	i'm not on irc to get work done
2021-05-27 20:42:30	ldlework	"I ain't talking about morals" that much is clear.
2021-05-27 20:42:54	IIIFE	Why is it that when saving a session, it doesn't save the exact point it was exited as? Like if I have a terminal window open with some programs ran along with firefox with a few tabs open, when restoring my session it just reloads everything in its default state. I've tested this in xfce4 and window maker, both have the save behavior.
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2021-05-27 20:43:16	ldlework	IIIFE: like you want it to preserve window positions and the like?
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2021-05-27 20:43:19	ayecee	IIIFE: not all programs can save state
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2021-05-27 20:44:00	ayecee	in a way compatible with session saving
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2021-05-27 20:44:18	IIIFE	I was wondering why the state the program was in wasn't being saved ldlework.
2021-05-27 20:44:31	ldlework	Ah program state itself, yeah ayecee has it.
2021-05-27 20:44:41	ayecee	because the program doesn't support that
2021-05-27 20:44:48	ldlework	I don't think it's up to your desktop environment.
2021-05-27 20:44:50	routeveg	ldlework: If you care about doing good in the world and being efficient about where we put resources (arguably what morality is about), there are far better targets for such sanctions than leftists. I'd *love* if the biggest injustice we had going on was blue-haired reactionaries. That'd be great.
2021-05-27 20:45:06	ldlework	Whataboutism.
2021-05-27 20:45:08	ldlework	Next.
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2021-05-27 20:45:40	routeveg	ldlework: I believe I addressed your central point of morality; or was that not what you meant?
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2021-05-27 20:46:13	ldlework	By saying you only care about work efficiency, as if that has anything to do with virtue signaling, you declare your attitude of "by any means necessary"
2021-05-27 20:46:31	ldlework	There's moral import there, if you look hard enough.
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2021-05-27 20:46:33	IIIFE	If firefox and xterm don't support saving the exact state they were in, it makes me think that saving your state is pointless when you'll lose all your progress you were at anyways.
2021-05-27 20:46:42	altwulf	Obligatory periodic message: read the /topic. This channel may disappear without warning.
2021-05-27 20:46:48	ayecee	ldlework: i think whataboutism usually requires an identified party who has done something worse, not a general "there's bigger problems to solve"
2021-05-27 20:47:20	ayecee	there's probably a better word to dismiss the latter.
2021-05-27 20:47:20	routeveg	Heh, i'll be honest I was trying to meet you half way there; you and the other folks who seem to think engineering can just exist outside political/social issues. My apologies if I labelled you incorrectly.
2021-05-27 20:47:35	ldlework	And I think using unrelated problems to distract from the responsibility and import of some given behaviors is included in whatabouism, regardless of the scope.
2021-05-27 20:47:45	ayecee	nope
2021-05-27 20:47:47	ldlework	yep
2021-05-27 20:47:54	ldlework	"nuh uh"
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2021-05-27 20:47:58	ayecee	well yes, you think that, but nope, that's not what it means.
2021-05-27 20:48:02	ldlework	"nuh uh"
2021-05-27 20:48:05	 *	ldlework claps.
2021-05-27 20:48:19	ldlework	No wonder the behavior persists.
2021-05-27 20:48:30	routeveg	Sounds like we're actually agreed - morality is important and one cannot simply extricate oneself from moral obligation. 100% agree.
2021-05-27 20:48:39	ldlework	Why change, when you can effortlessly justify your behavior on the backs of everyone else doing worng?
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2021-05-27 20:48:48	routeveg	I just don't think virtue signalling is particularly immoral
2021-05-27 20:49:00	ayecee	okay, back to linux amirite
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2021-05-27 20:49:06	altwulf	routeveg, the problem I often had was that political/social people usually had unrealistic or frankly harebrained ideas of what the enginerring process is or how it works.
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2021-05-27 20:49:24	routeveg	ayecee: Sure! Anyone want to help me figure out how to make qemu faster, when running arm64 on x86_64?
2021-05-27 20:49:26	ldlework	It's vacuous and effortless and only serves to identify ideological allies in an attempt to domineer on the backs of anything but substantiated argumentation.
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2021-05-27 20:49:37	routeveg	Looking around the source, seeing little to no TCG tuning knobs
2021-05-27 20:49:42	ayecee	routeveg: there isn't one, aside from running it on an arm64 instead
2021-05-27 20:49:43	altwulf	What the hell even IS "virtual signalling"?
2021-05-27 20:50:00	ayecee	altwulf: doing something that looks good only because it looks good
2021-05-27 20:50:20	ldlework	"You labeled some of my behavior with coined term?! I'll just feign total confusion so I never have to address this behavior I engage in."
2021-05-27 20:50:24	ldlework	Brilliant tactic.
2021-05-27 20:50:26	ldlework	Honest.
2021-05-27 20:50:29	routeveg	altwulf: I think it is about performing a position on some issue. Acting such that others notice where you stand. Some consider this a bad-faith argument.
2021-05-27 20:50:31	d33cee	altwulf just made the most important point in this whole conversation: this conversation isn't going to go anywhere because I'm guessing all parties can't agree on the definition of the term.
2021-05-27 20:50:46	altwulf	Oh. The engineering department attached directly to the advertising department, sales, marketing, that kind of thing?
2021-05-27 20:50:46	ayecee	ldlework: jesus christ, you're addicted to your own farts
2021-05-27 20:50:51	routeveg	ayecee: I was hoping there would be tuning knobs :(
2021-05-27 20:50:57	ayecee	routeveg: sadly no :(
2021-05-27 20:51:03	ldlework	"I can't think of anything substantial to say, so 'farts'"
2021-05-27 20:51:09	routeveg	Like, I have a lot of RAM on this machine. Couldn't I make some cache/hash table bigger to make it go brrrr
2021-05-27 20:51:15	routeveg	:cries:
2021-05-27 20:51:20	altwulf	Fortunately, routeveg, it's irrelevant to GNU/Linux. Hit the bricks.
2021-05-27 20:51:56	ayecee	eh. more relevant than this high school philosophy argument at least.
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2021-05-27 20:52:10	routeveg	I guess I should at least broadcast my status as a socially/politically minded person, such that people can see not all of us are hairbrained engineers.
2021-05-27 20:52:17	ldlework	When redefining terms to your own benefit, denying your own misbehavior even ontologically exists, both fail, just show your distaste in being criticized.
2021-05-27 20:52:18	ldlework	Awesome.
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2021-05-27 20:52:28	altwulf	Politics are irrelevant to the operating system.
2021-05-27 20:52:28	routeveg	(not that I'm not absolutely nuts)
2021-05-27 20:53:05	ayecee	routeveg: you know, i don't actually know for sure. i'm going by my recollection of tuning qemu on x86 with an x86 guest, before kvm was a thing
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2021-05-27 20:53:21	ayecee	maybe there's some tunables, but it's not something i've heard described.
2021-05-27 20:53:47	altwulf	I can testify that using kvm makes qemu freeaking ZOOM.
2021-05-27 20:53:58	routeveg	Hmm; I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of the eng effort has gone into kvm and devices since then. It's more interesting and I recall other stuff uses QEMU's device manager
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2021-05-27 20:54:22	routeveg	altwulf: But it's cheating lol
2021-05-27 20:54:28	ayecee	also way better performance when host and guest are the same
2021-05-27 20:54:35	routeveg	It's it's just asking the CPU to run the code. Which isn't very emulatory :P
2021-05-27 20:54:35	altwulf	Who cares? I wanted my machine to go "Zoom!"
2021-05-27 20:54:48	altwulf	Hey, use what ya got.
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2021-05-27 20:55:10	routeveg	Yeah, I'm needing to run ARM64 on x86_64, so what I got sux :<
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2021-05-27 20:55:45	ayecee	i've used qemu to cross-compile in a "native" environment, and the best solution i found for the performance was to wait longer
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2021-05-27 20:55:48	routeveg	Am also open to faster emulators, if they exist, but I can't find them
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2021-05-27 20:56:37	IIIFE	I'll take it that saving the exact process your xorg server was in is not a trivial task. I wonder how windows manages to do it.
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2021-05-27 20:57:00	ayecee	IIIFE: it doesn't. it's the responsibility of individual programs there too.
2021-05-27 20:57:04	routeveg	Baaasically I got this ARM application that I want to run as fast as possible on x86 linux. My current strategy is a 'thin' vm with a stripped down kernel, and this performs....better than one might expect but worse than one would hope.
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2021-05-27 20:57:25	Dresden	routeveg: ooof arm emu on x86-64 is the difficult direction
2021-05-27 20:57:31	Dresden	x86(-64) on ARM is way easier (and thus faster)
2021-05-27 20:57:43	Dresden	Arm has lots of registers, x86 has few even with -64
2021-05-27 20:57:54	IIIFE	But I can switch user and have my exact state in windows when I log back in.
2021-05-27 20:57:57	Dresden	x86-64 on ARM just uses ARM regs
2021-05-27 20:58:03	altwulf	Ugh. Yeah, register poverty is often a deal-breaker.
2021-05-27 20:58:09	ayecee	IIIFE: because the programs you're using support that.
2021-05-27 20:58:12	routeveg	Using 9p virtio thingy to share files with host; that's working pretty well tbh, but I learned one shouldn't use it for the FS root because there's no write-caching available and everything was syncing more than the titanic
2021-05-27 20:58:36	routeveg	But x86_64 has quite a few regs doesn't it?
2021-05-27 20:58:41	routeveg	I thought they added a bunch
2021-05-27 20:59:12	ayecee	more than before, less than ARM, Dresden is saying
2021-05-27 20:59:15	Dresden	routeveg: they did but it already had fuck all
2021-05-27 20:59:18	routeveg	Ahh
2021-05-27 20:59:30	Dresden	routeveg: x86 BARELY had 4 general purpose registers, because some of them couldn't do certain things
2021-05-27 20:59:34	routeveg	Yup, wiki sez only 16. wtf AMD?
2021-05-27 20:59:36	Dresden	x86-64 you've got 8 - sort of 12
2021-05-27 20:59:42	altwulf	routeveg: I can't remember which CPUs this is true of, but *some* CPUs have so many regiusters  you need a database to keep track of them all. x86 really only has five or six, at their largest sizes.
2021-05-27 20:59:43	Dresden	Yeah but you cannot use all of those all of the time
2021-05-27 20:59:49	Dresden	routeveg: ARM has 32
2021-05-27 20:59:58	routeveg	I guess you could use the AVX registers for things, though they aren't really GP
2021-05-27 21:00:03	Dresden	So ARM can just alias x86-64 regs to real ones, and work with the ones left over - but decoding is a bitch
2021-05-27 21:00:17	routeveg	Dresden: Lots of room for stashing stuff too!
2021-05-27 21:00:22	routeveg	Yeah, x86 sux
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2021-05-27 21:00:42	Dresden	routeveg: that depends on addressing, if you want to have 32 float registers (ARM style) - you could use 4 AVX (256 bit) registers to store them, but you'd have to extract the specific float you wanted, operate on it, then put it back in the reg
2021-05-27 21:00:52	routeveg	I was gonna say, RIP whosever has to turn x86 instructions into TCG ops
2021-05-27 21:00:59	Dresden	routeveg: not really it does a lot of hardware renaming, but it does cause a problem for emulation because pretty much everything has more registers
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2021-05-27 21:01:59	routeveg	Can x86 ever promote(correct word?) L1 cache to a register?
2021-05-27 21:02:06	routeveg	When its doing its magic
2021-05-27 21:02:09	Dresden	....kind of
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2021-05-27 21:02:21	altwulf	I think I see what Dresden is saying. ARM people writing against the ARM platform wouldn't reserve any of the registers, they'd usee all of them. Anything that maps to an x86 would have to "reserve" a few registers.
2021-05-27 21:02:26	Dresden	routeveg: the modern super scalar chip no longer tries to fill in data as fast as possible, modern arches are 4,5, 6 cycles for an L1 hit
2021-05-27 21:02:27	routeveg	I guess if something takes out that cache line then everything has to unwind and start again
2021-05-27 21:02:38	Dresden	routeveg: they just SPEW this predicted stream of instructions and pray, filling it in as they go
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2021-05-27 21:02:54	Dresden	So although the L1d can sustain 2 or 3 things per cycle (+) - there's still a 4 cycle delay
2021-05-27 21:03:04	routeveg	Mhm, understood
2021-05-27 21:03:08	Dresden	So get the register - 4 cycles gone before the data shows up - you have to hope it can be interleved with upcoming stuff
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2021-05-27 21:03:13	ayecee	4 cycles? but i want it now!
2021-05-27 21:03:13	Dresden	4 cycles at least
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2021-05-27 21:03:21	routeveg	What I meant though was, can the chip use a register for that which would be normally in memory?
2021-05-27 21:03:23	Dresden	ayecee: get a Pentium Pro
2021-05-27 21:03:24	Dresden	1 cycle :)
2021-05-27 21:03:29	ayecee	slick
2021-05-27 21:03:36	Dresden	routeveg: no... that has different semantics
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2021-05-27 21:03:53	routeveg	I suppose the problem is you would need a mechanism to detect interprocessor happenings
2021-05-27 21:03:58	Dresden	There is also a structure sitting between the core and memory, that can do "store-to-load" forwarding, which is when you save some data, then immediately want to read it
2021-05-27 21:04:00	routeveg	And...do something if that happened
2021-05-27 21:04:08	Dresden	routeveg: that's called cache coherency
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2021-05-27 21:04:45	routeveg	That's for keeping caches coherent; I mean what if you actually want to take something out of a cache and keep it in a CPU-private register.
2021-05-27 21:04:56	Dresden	routeveg: your cache deals in lines only and works very hard to ensure that there;s only one copy that can be written to in the system (otherwise exposing the core interconnect to the wroth of a core trying to write a lot would trash it) - so cache lines bounce about
2021-05-27 21:05:01	Dresden	Everything has a coherent view
2021-05-27 21:05:18	Dresden	HOWEVER: the core itself can emit loads and stores to the cache in a funny order - this is your memory model
2021-05-27 21:05:25	routeveg	I guess the question I am really trying to figure out how to ask is, why L1 cache so slow
2021-05-27 21:05:29	Dresden	A cache is coherent or not - but memory models govern how the CPU talks to the cache system
2021-05-27 21:05:40	ayecee	so like reserving a part of L1 cache for cpu-local memory
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2021-05-27 21:05:52	Dresden	routeveg: it's because of a high clock rate, it simply cannot check all the tags in one cycle and report back - not if you want ~4ghz
2021-05-27 21:05:53	ayecee	i don't know that i've heard of a mechanism for that
2021-05-27 21:06:08	Dresden	So it's banked, it can do 2-4 things these days at once, but you'll need 4 cycles for a result
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2021-05-27 21:06:22	Dresden	So it takes 2 or 3 requests, does a bit, by 4 cycles (5 in some cases) it's done and reports the answer
2021-05-27 21:06:33	Dresden	If it has to do anything (like miss, or get permission to write to the line) it will take longer
2021-05-27 21:06:45	Dresden	routeveg: your core has 150-250 things in flight at once
2021-05-27 21:07:02	Dresden	DEspite having just ~16 register (ish) your modern super-scalar has 160-260 integer registers for renaming
2021-05-27 21:07:07	Dresden	2 threads share those
2021-05-27 21:07:18	pnbeast	If you eat at Taco Bell, your core has over 700 things in flight at once.
2021-05-27 21:07:19	Dresden	It is made to predict 6-10 branches ahead
2021-05-27 21:07:36	routeveg	Okay, so how about, when the CPU is generating micro-ops for some awful x86 instruction, it (in parallel) generates a 'fast' trace and a 'slow' trace, the former operating on some nameless register which can be accessed basically immediately. Then when those ops are dispatched, the cache line that that memory location is associated with is 'locked' such that if another processor does something with it,
2021-05-27 21:07:42	routeveg	the CPU throws everything away. Basically a transaction.
2021-05-27 21:07:44	Dresden	routeveg: they don't trace
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2021-05-27 21:08:09	routeveg	Oh...right. Okay, yeah. I guess that was a P4 thing
2021-05-27 21:08:15	routeveg	Forgot they took that away
2021-05-27 21:08:18	Dresden	routeveg: depending on what you're talking about, most AMD hardware deals in macro-ops - these are basically intstructions in full, but fixed length (decoding x86 sucks because each instruction is 1 to 15 bytes, so you have to know how long it is before you can start the next one)
2021-05-27 21:08:38	Dresden	routeveg: AMD deals in macro-ops - like old example, an 128-bit SSE add would become 2 64-bit vector adds that operate on each half.
2021-05-27 21:08:51	Dresden	These macro-ops go to the schedulers which then dole out micro-ops to functional units and get the work done
2021-05-27 21:09:09	ayecee	turtles all the way down
2021-05-27 21:09:17	Dresden	INTEL STUFF: emits a bunch of uops per instruction now-a-days we have a cache, it is not a trace cache, but it does include branch predictions (eg load me, then start loading over there)
2021-05-27 21:09:31	Dresden	Skylake is 4 decode, but 6 issue - it's faster from the microcode cache (L0i)
2021-05-27 21:09:40	Dresden	AMD Zen 3 is 4 or 5 decode, fucking 8 issue
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2021-05-27 21:10:04	routeveg	I guess the answer to all of this is "because it turns out it works better that way"
2021-05-27 21:10:16	routeveg	Thank you for the thorough explanations of the state of the art here
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2021-05-27 21:10:31	Dresden	routeveg: the entire of a modern super-scalar is designed to guess an instruction stream, shove it into a massive out of order scheduler, which fills in the blanks - it doesn't even try to be fast at flushing any more. Old CPUs worked hard to get the L1d REALLY fast - not any more
2021-05-27 21:10:32	ayecee	either that or it costs less
2021-05-27 21:10:37	ayecee	sometimes both
2021-05-27 21:10:38	Dresden	In fact the L1i is often LARGER than the L1d now!
2021-05-27 21:10:39	routeveg	I work on low level details, but my microarchitecture knowledge is...speculative at best ;) .
2021-05-27 21:10:50	Dresden	Yeah I live and breath this shit
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2021-05-27 21:11:05	ayecee	mind the language please
2021-05-27 21:11:13	Dresden	Yeah I live and inhale this shit
2021-05-27 21:11:17	ayecee	heh
2021-05-27 21:11:20	routeveg	lul
2021-05-27 21:11:23	routeveg	clearly
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2021-05-27 21:11:33	Dresden	Don't laugh that was shit, I couldn't think of any other word to replace
2021-05-27 21:11:46	routeveg	Don't inhale the magic smoke though; you won't be able to put it back in
2021-05-27 21:12:15	ayecee	wasn't actually laughing, just being polite
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2021-05-27 21:12:22	Dresden	...thanks
2021-05-27 21:12:25	ayecee	:D
2021-05-27 21:12:57	cferry	sup folks
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2021-05-27 21:13:57	routeveg	Pheeew long day; not much. I'm was compulsively reading QEMU source, but have now given up on trying to make it faster.
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2021-05-27 21:14:07	routeveg	The conclusion is that x86 has too few registers
2021-05-27 21:14:15	Dresden	It can be done but not easily
2021-05-27 21:14:20	Dresden	You'll need JIT techniques basically
2021-05-27 21:14:34	routeveg	QEMU has a JIT though; do you mean a better JIT?
2021-05-27 21:14:36	Dresden	Or replace basic blocks with calls to compiled versions (very jit like)
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2021-05-27 21:15:32	ayecee	it can be done if you just rewrite it :D
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2021-05-27 21:15:38	Dresden	routeveg: if it has one you can probalby tune it
2021-05-27 21:15:46	Dresden	Tell it what to JIT or give it huge memory
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2021-05-27 21:16:19	Dresden	But those algorithms tend to scale badly - like there'll be a heuristic that tells it what is worth jitting, if you set a low enough bar (to JIT whatever it says) eventually you'll get spurious trash
2021-05-27 21:16:22	Dresden	That wont actually help
2021-05-27 21:16:45	Dresden	BUT if you have the ram bumping it to a lower threshold of what "worth it" means may help
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2021-05-27 21:17:10	routeveg	That's what I mean; I have tons of memory so I figured I could ask it to JIT more
2021-05-27 21:17:18	Dresden	But yeah less regs on more regs is pretty trivial, especially if you can decode in the spare registers (this isn't a given) - also this does bottleneck on the decoding ability and that, so JITs can do better here too
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2021-05-27 21:17:30	routeveg	Like, I could give it gigglebytes and gigglebytes of JIT cache space
2021-05-27 21:17:53	Dresden	At a point it'll stop helping
2021-05-27 21:17:54	Dresden	But yeah tune it
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2021-05-27 21:18:42	routeveg	The product I work on has a rudimentary JIT for analysis purposes, so I am broadly familiar with this kind of technology. But ours is a bit specific to the domain, so my knowledge is thin in some areas
2021-05-27 21:19:23	routeveg	Pumping up hash table/cache sizes is usually step 1 if a customer is like "this hella slow"
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2021-05-27 21:43:25	altwulf	Tell you what can be a monster: a 6502. Count 'em: THREE registers, eight bits each, and only one that can actually do any bitbanging.
2021-05-27 21:43:57	routeveg	If you're trying to emulate x86_64 on a 6502...hmm...that actually reminds me of a project I read about at some point
2021-05-27 21:44:35	altwulf	I believe there WAS a kind of linux developed for the C64. Wondder how that worked out.
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2021-05-27 21:45:22	ayecee	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LUnix
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2021-05-27 21:45:48	ayecee	not linux, but sounds similar
2021-05-27 21:45:49	routeveg	:O
2021-05-27 21:46:11	altwulf	Lunar Ticks? :D
2021-05-27 21:46:31	routeveg	The Intel Quark D series is interesting; 32MHz x86-compatible microcontrollers. Thought it might be neat to run Windows 3.11 on there
2021-05-27 21:46:57	Dresden	routeveg: they're shit
2021-05-27 21:47:01	Dresden	Imagine an atom but worse
2021-05-27 21:47:04	Dresden	Tough I know but they're wank
2021-05-27 21:47:22	routeveg	You mean the X series, and I completely agree
2021-05-27 21:47:33	Dresden	No they're all shit
2021-05-27 21:47:33	routeveg	They were 400MHz and awful
2021-05-27 21:47:39	ayecee	mind the language please
2021-05-27 21:47:42	routeveg	The D series is like a completely different product
2021-05-27 21:47:46	Dresden	routeveg: as a rule of thumb, the x86 tax costs you 40% of something: power, performance, or die space
2021-05-27 21:47:57	Dresden	Pick 2 (power and die-space link somewhat)
2021-05-27 21:48:03	Dresden	So they were truly shit
2021-05-27 21:48:16	Dresden	routeveg: arm on the server actually has overtaken x86 - it happened, very quietly.
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2021-05-27 21:48:44	routeveg	In a previous job we did a project to use a Quark X1000 for an industrial embedded computer. Our crappy ARM11 system booted in like a quarter of the time
2021-05-27 21:48:51	routeveg	At least, I think it was ARM11
2021-05-27 21:49:02	routeveg	Actually no, it was a Cortex of some kind.
2021-05-27 21:49:19	Dresden	routeveg: yeah some arm is trash
2021-05-27 21:49:20	routeveg	Either way, the X1000 was the worst of all possible worlds (including ones I hadn't even thought of)
2021-05-27 21:49:40	routeveg	Sauce for arm overtaking intel on the server?
2021-05-27 21:49:46	Dresden	routeveg: aws
2021-05-27 21:49:51	Dresden	Graviton instances are fucking awesome
2021-05-27 21:49:54	routeveg	Would love to read more about
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2021-05-27 21:50:16	Dresden	routeveg: it happened really quietly, basically the low power arm was sort of like the PentiumPro -yes it was super-scalar but it was quite short
2021-05-27 21:50:16	routeveg	So at least, on AWS there are more graviton instances than others?
2021-05-27 21:50:21	Dresden	these fuckers are massive proper things
2021-05-27 21:50:36	Dresden	routeveg: no, a graviton instance has more RAM bandwidth and gets more done per core than x86-64 stuff
2021-05-27 21:50:39	Dresden	Both Zen 3 and Cove
2021-05-27 21:50:55	routeveg	Oh, so overtaken in that it's better. I thought you meant in market share someplace
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2021-05-27 21:51:19	Dresden	routeveg: this is two generations old
2021-05-27 21:51:19	Dresden	https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/5/57/cortex-a76_block_diagram.svg
2021-05-27 21:51:42	Dresden	Skylake https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/thumb/e/ee/skylake_server_block_diagram.svg/950px-skylake_server_block_diagram.svg.png
2021-05-27 21:52:01	Dresden	https://en.wikichip.org/w/images/e/ee/skylake_server_block_diagram.svg even
2021-05-27 21:53:20	routeveg	What am I looking at here
2021-05-27 21:53:23	routeveg	Which is the part that goes brr
2021-05-27 21:53:27	Dresden	I thought you knew this stuff?
2021-05-27 21:53:35	Dresden	AT LEAST: admire how similar they are
2021-05-27 21:53:39	routeveg	veeery broadly
2021-05-27 21:53:41	Dresden	ARM thing doesn't hve SMT
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2021-05-27 21:54:07	Dresden	!help
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2021-05-27 21:54:09	altwulf	What's SMT?
2021-05-27 21:54:11	routeveg	They are similarly structured yes, in that ARM turned into a grownup superscalar processor.
2021-05-27 21:54:21	Dresden	altwulf: 2 logical threads (or more, some were 16, 32) on one core
2021-05-27 21:54:25	Dresden	Intel calls it HyperThreading
2021-05-27 21:54:27	routeveg	But is there some number which is more impressive in one than the other?
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2021-05-27 21:54:29	Dresden	AMD probably has a word for it too
2021-05-27 21:54:32	altwulf	Ah.
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2021-05-27 21:56:13	Dresden	routeveg: remember that 40% tax I told you about
2021-05-27 21:56:15	Dresden	One doesn't pay it
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2021-05-27 21:56:29	Dresden	ARM also has a weaker memory model, so more cores doesn't kill itself under coherency traffic
2021-05-27 21:56:38	Dresden	It's coherent, remember memory model is separate
2021-05-27 21:56:56	routeveg	I thought ARM's memory model was on a par with Intel's at this point?
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2021-05-27 21:57:07	routeveg	But perhaps I assumed that, given they are chasing intel in all other ways
2021-05-27 21:57:07	Dresden	I don't even know what that means?
2021-05-27 21:57:11	Dresden	One's not better than the other?
2021-05-27 21:57:13	routeveg	Like, it's not any weaker
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2021-05-27 21:57:28	routeveg	weak good for performance, sure. But I thought ARM un-relaxed their memory model.
2021-05-27 21:57:33	 *	routeveg googles
2021-05-27 21:57:34	Dresden	There's only like 5 memory models and 1 is "none"
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2021-05-27 21:58:08	altwulf	Early x86 architecture was "segmented". Is that true of current models?
2021-05-27 21:58:22	routeveg	altwulf: I think Dresden is talking about reordering/barriers
2021-05-27 21:58:25	Dresden	No... but they support it in 16 bit mode and shit
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2021-05-27 21:58:41	Dresden	altwulf: there is a 64 bit segment register, but the chip will be very slow if it's anything but zero
2021-05-27 21:58:45	Dresden	So no one used it
2021-05-27 21:58:48	Dresden	Not even sure what it does
2021-05-27 21:59:01	Dresden	In fact no one used it (rgs I think) so it recently got reclaimed (Intel's IVB)
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2021-05-27 21:59:05	altwulf	I say good riddance to bad news.
2021-05-27 21:59:07	routeveg	fs and gs are the still-working segment registers. OS-dependent function
2021-05-27 21:59:15	Dresden	Then not that one
2021-05-27 21:59:17	routeveg	In linux, one has the core id I believe
2021-05-27 21:59:19	Dresden	This was an IVB thing
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2021-05-27 21:59:25	routeveg	And the other is used as a pointer for thread-local storage
2021-05-27 21:59:34	Dresden	Yeah not those, it requires support and shit
2021-05-27 21:59:50	Dresden	Because usually it requires kernel space (ring 0 or some shit) to touch this register
2021-05-27 22:00:01	Dresden	IVB let's the OS toggle the userspace ability to set it, so userspace gets an extra reg
2021-05-27 22:00:09	Dresden	But for some reason Linux never used it (it probably stored task state there)
2021-05-27 22:00:11	routeveg	Yeah, there is a syscall for the TLS one...set_thread_area, possibly?
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2021-05-27 22:00:32	Dresden	Dunno, Linux may not support it
2021-05-27 22:00:45	routeveg	It does. If you strace, you'll see it right at the startup of the application
2021-05-27 22:00:58	Dresden	routeveg: that's kernel side
2021-05-27 22:00:59	routeveg	That's how linux/glibc does TLS
2021-05-27 22:01:11	Dresden	I didn;t say NOTHING used it, I said Linux doesn't support the IVB extension
2021-05-27 22:01:22	routeveg	Oh, I thought you meant the segment registers
2021-05-27 22:01:29	Dresden	IVB exposes something that says "hey you can do this" via CPUID in like 2012 - and for AGES Linux never let userspace use it
2021-05-27 22:01:36	Dresden	It might be one of those (we kept the names)
2021-05-27 22:01:46	Dresden	No one used it, no one uses it, so it's not like I encountered it
2021-05-27 22:01:58	routeveg	Hmm...can't find anything about IVB
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2021-05-27 22:02:04	Dresden	Intel Ivy Bridge
2021-05-27 22:02:09	routeveg	Oh, Ivy Bridge
2021-05-27 22:02:15	routeveg	ja
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2021-05-27 22:02:32	Dresden	Sandy Bridge -> Ivy Bridge -> Haswell -> Broadwell -> Skylake -> Skylake -> Skylake -> Skylake -> Skylake -> Skylake -> SkyCoveLake -> Skylake -> Lake
2021-05-27 22:02:48	Dresden	SNB, IVB, HSW, BDW, SKL, SKL....
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2021-05-27 22:03:05	routeveg	Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rokyml6q4g
2021-05-27 22:03:17	Dresden	Pass thanks, Youtube videos I don't do on policy
2021-05-27 22:03:18	Dresden	No offence
2021-05-27 22:03:27	Dresden	Although that was snobby as fuck
2021-05-27 22:05:43	altwulf	Dresden: mind the language.
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2021-05-27 22:06:04	Dresden	Although that was smug as fuck
2021-05-27 22:06:11	Dresden	British slang
2021-05-27 22:06:13	altwulf	Dresden: mind the language.
2021-05-27 22:06:23	Dresden	British anacronisms?
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2021-05-27 22:13:03	superboot	Hi all. /exit
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2021-05-27 22:31:23	raxor2k	Im here to get advice/opinions and suggestions on this one: I have 2 restAPIs running on two different ubuntu server, which both uses the same database. the restAPI that is running on nodejs, has an auth login system which is required to get auth-token which is needed to use some POST and GET request. On my python(FastAPI) i dont have auth token system implemented. Can i still use both of
2021-05-27 22:31:23	raxor2k	them together, why or why not?
2021-05-27 22:32:08	thyriaen	hello, i have extended my .profile in my home directory to include "setxkbmap -option caps:escape" -- to my understanding .profile executes when my shell starts .. however it does not change my keybindings .. i have an export PATH command in there too, which does work -- now i wonder what i did wrong . the command does what i want it to when i enter it manually in my terminal
2021-05-27 22:32:27	raxor2k	the reason why i still want to use the python-restapi somehow is because is because it has some strong algorithms implemented already
2021-05-27 22:32:57	[R]	raxor2k: what does 1 have to do with the other?
2021-05-27 22:33:51	jim	thyriaen, what shell are you using?
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2021-05-27 22:34:20	raxor2k	the mobile app needs to use token whenever get or post api are used. And the python restapi has some get and post links that the mobile user needs to use. Thats why
2021-05-27 22:34:55	[R]	huh?
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2021-05-27 22:35:16	[R]	you could have a million rest apis
2021-05-27 22:35:57	thyriaen	jim, i am using gnome shell
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2021-05-27 22:36:14	raxor2k	my mobile developed said to me today : all GET and POST requests from the app needs auth token
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2021-05-27 22:36:28	thyriaen	jim, or bash - not sure what kind of shell you mean
2021-05-27 22:36:31	raxor2k	and the python restapi has some get and post links that is important to the mobile user
2021-05-27 22:36:35	[R]	raxor2k: okay, so add an auth token
2021-05-27 22:36:48	jim	thyriaen, oh, ok, I'm familiar with bash; never used gnome shell
2021-05-27 22:36:49	 *	[R] is still waiting for the part where any of this has to do with linux
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2021-05-27 22:37:33	jim	so with bash, check the FILES section of the man page for what startup files are read when
2021-05-27 22:37:44	oops	i writed 2 rules of iptables ,  after i save it , i can't find where it is ,
2021-05-27 22:38:06	[R]	oops: how did you "write" them... how did you "save" them... where are you looking for them?
2021-05-27 22:38:11	raxor2k	<[R]> but then the user need to authenticate "again" when using a GET link from my python fastapi then ?
2021-05-27 22:38:13	thyriaen	jim, man bash ?
2021-05-27 22:38:19	jim	yes
2021-05-27 22:39:00	raxor2k	[R]:  did you understand why i still want to keep the python-restapi in the loop?
2021-05-27 22:39:01	jim	and, I don't normally say to read the bash man page; it's very hard to read... but the FILES section is short, and to the point
2021-05-27 22:39:07	[R]	[07:36:48 PM] * [R] is still waiting for the part where any of this has to do with linux
2021-05-27 22:40:40	oops	[R]: two rules like this : https://paste.centos.org/view/f8f97a2f, and i saved it using " iptables save"
2021-05-27 22:41:15	[R]	oops: iptables don't have a parameter called save...
2021-05-27 22:42:08	oops	what's the parameter ? i don't know yet
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2021-05-27 22:45:10	thyriaen	jim, alright so i have checkd and .profile does not execute when i start a termnial emulator - not sure what it is there for but at least i know whats going on :p
2021-05-27 22:46:02	rascul	the INVOCATION section better describes bash startup files
2021-05-27 22:46:09	 *	[R] invokes rascul 
2021-05-27 22:46:21	 *	altwulf provokes [R]
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2021-05-27 22:46:54	 *	ayecee checks for a revocation section
2021-05-27 22:47:04	 *	[R] revokes ayecee 
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2021-05-27 22:50:19	zymurgy	Public service announcement: ##linux community members are advised to migrate to irc.libera.chat #linux (6667 cleartext, 6697 TLS) at their earliest convenience. This channel may disappear without warning.
2021-05-27 22:51:42	rascul	i wish those public service announcements would disappear without warning
2021-05-27 22:51:51	[R]	lol
2021-05-27 22:51:58	[R]	i dont undersatnd why people care that much
2021-05-27 22:52:27	a-865	When I try to go there I am met with a notice that I must have an invite frim an existing member to join
2021-05-27 22:52:42	twainwek	rascul: disappear also
2021-05-27 22:53:01	ayecee	a-865: i think maybe you're trying to join #linux on freenode and not libera.
2021-05-27 22:53:04	Prestige	this chan isn't going to disappear
2021-05-27 22:53:52	twainwek	that was
2021-05-27 22:53:58	altwulf	yeah, ##linux on the other net might not have forwarding set up properly.
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2021-05-27 22:54:37	ayecee	no i mean he's joining #linux on freenode which is invite only
2021-05-27 22:54:44	a-865	ayecee: from libera tab I do /join #linux and am denied entry
2021-05-27 22:55:09	twainwek	unfortunately all this did was to kill irc
2021-05-27 22:55:11	twainwek	so sad
2021-05-27 22:55:12	gildarts	Seems unlikely, I’m in it now. No issues or invite.
2021-05-27 22:55:20	ayecee	a-865: definitely doing something wrong there but it's hard to guess what.
2021-05-27 22:56:09	iflema	i got it right here https://imgur.com/a/vmHb6Mb
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2021-05-27 22:56:53	ayecee	not sure what you got there
2021-05-27 22:57:23	iflema	all the shit together awesome
2021-05-27 22:57:24	a-865	something to do with auto-ident maybe :P
2021-05-27 22:57:33	twainwek	iflema: how big is your monitor
2021-05-27 22:57:41	ayecee	mind the language please
2021-05-27 22:57:45	routeveg	Oh, I actually just read about the whole freenode thingy
2021-05-27 22:57:47	iflema	i did
2021-05-27 22:57:53	routeveg	That makes a lot more sense now
2021-05-27 22:58:00	routeveg	Earlier, I was like, wut
2021-05-27 22:58:08	iflema	twainwek: 1080x1920 pez
2021-05-27 22:58:17	altwulf	Yeah, the other net's ##linux is supposed to forward to #linux, but it's not set up properly. The other net's #linux is the actual channel.
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2021-05-27 22:58:34	ayecee	however that's not the one he was trying to join
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2021-05-27 22:59:55	ayecee	he says /join #linux, and gets a message like one would for an invite only channel, which would happen if it were freenode and not libera.
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2021-05-27 23:02:17	altwulf	Ah. Wrong net?
2021-05-27 23:02:27	 *	altwulf is SO fried
2021-05-27 23:02:47	ayecee	well that was my guess, but he says it's on a libera tab.
2021-05-27 23:03:21	ayecee	so, probably one of those things isn't correct, but it's hard to tell which one.
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2021-05-27 23:03:44	a-865	life was simpler b4 the freenode ownership BS
2021-05-27 23:04:09	ayecee	firstworldproblems, amirite
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2021-05-27 23:04:43	ayecee	just remember, the decisions you make on this could affect the REST of your LIFE
2021-05-27 23:04:55	totalsecond	switch to irc.libera.chat
2021-05-27 23:04:59	totalsecond	this place is a shithole
2021-05-27 23:05:07	ayecee	totalsecond: come on man.
2021-05-27 23:05:09	Prestige	you're a shithole
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2021-05-27 23:05:21	totalsecond	COME ON MAN, YOU AIN'T BLACK
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2021-05-27 23:05:34	raxor2k	wow
2021-05-27 23:05:36	raxor2k	whats happening here
2021-05-27 23:05:41	Prestige	No idea lol
2021-05-27 23:05:44	ayecee	that escalated quickly
2021-05-27 23:05:57	totalsecond	it's a quote from the president of the United States
2021-05-27 23:05:59	notahackerlol	lul
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2021-05-27 23:06:09	totalsecond	Real motherfucker that guy is
2021-05-27 23:06:38	ayecee	mind the language please.
2021-05-27 23:07:01	totalsecond	what language
2021-05-27 23:07:04	totalsecond	aren't you an adult?
2021-05-27 23:07:16	ayecee	yes. are you?
2021-05-27 23:07:22	totalsecond	Yes sir. And adults curse.
2021-05-27 23:07:25	totalsecond	Some of us curse a lot.
2021-05-27 23:07:44	ayecee	they can also choose not to.
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2021-05-27 23:07:54	totalsecond	That's fine. I'm no Christian thought.
2021-05-27 23:07:56	totalsecond	though*
2021-05-27 23:08:01	asda	thought donald said sh*thole
2021-05-27 23:08:03	totalsecond	Stop putting your religious beliefs on me
2021-05-27 23:08:03	ayecee	they can recognize when it's not appropriate.
2021-05-27 23:08:07	altwulf	Yes, some of us do, but some channels have language policies. This is such a channel. Watch your language.
2021-05-27 23:08:16	totalsecond	There's also no operators here.
2021-05-27 23:08:24	totalsecond	So it's a free-for-all baby
2021-05-27 23:08:33	altwulf	That's not and excuse, and it's not necessarily true.
2021-05-27 23:08:33	MrMazda	on irc://irc.libera.chat server tab, either '/join linux' or '/join #linux' causes the following:
2021-05-27 23:08:35	MrMazda	23:03	[INFO]	Channel view for “#linux” opened.
2021-05-27 23:08:36	MrMazda	23:03	[INFO]	This channel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services (e.g. NickServ). Please see the documentation of this network's nickname registration services that should be found in the MOTD (/motd to display it).23:03	[INFO]	Channel view for “#linux” opened.
2021-05-27 23:08:47	totalsecond	Yep just register
2021-05-27 23:08:48	asda	totalsecond: they may be hiding but here
2021-05-27 23:08:49	ayecee	MrMazda: oh! that's a different message.
2021-05-27 23:08:53	ayecee	i misunderstood.
2021-05-27 23:08:56	MrMazda	I did register
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2021-05-27 23:08:59	notahackerlol	i thought most of the staff left?
2021-05-27 23:09:11	ayecee	MrMazda: gotta identify yourself to nickserv too
2021-05-27 23:09:14	MrMazda	and am auto-identing
2021-05-27 23:09:15	totalsecond	yeah, the only staff around now are people rasengan pays off
2021-05-27 23:09:25	ayecee	MrMazda: the message says you're not
2021-05-27 23:09:30	altwulf	Channel operators are not the same as network operators (FN staff).
2021-05-27 23:09:32	MrMazda	I see that
2021-05-27 23:09:59	altwulf	totalsecond: this is not the venue for arguing network-level politics.
2021-05-27 23:10:04	totalsecond	Ree ree ree
2021-05-27 23:10:32	ayecee	MrMazda: doesn't look like you're idented when i do a whois either :(
2021-05-27 23:10:40	ayecee	err, a /who
2021-05-27 23:10:56	ayecee	no, /whois. geez, i just typed it.
2021-05-27 23:11:07	MrMazda	23:10	*NickServ*	mrmazda@earthlink.net has too many accounts registered
2021-05-27 23:11:18	ayecee	heh
2021-05-27 23:11:27	altwulf	ON which net?
2021-05-27 23:11:36	rascul	the other one
2021-05-27 23:11:38	ayecee	that's in response to /msg nickserv identify  ?
2021-05-27 23:11:53	ayecee	or did you use /msg nickserv register by accident?
2021-05-27 23:12:01	MrMazda	in response to register
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2021-05-27 23:12:28	ayecee	okay, use identify instead
2021-05-27 23:12:32	ayecee	you're already registered
2021-05-27 23:12:42	altwulf	MrMazda: when's the last time you've seen your email?
2021-05-27 23:13:18	ayecee	there you go.
2021-05-27 23:13:20	a-865	I may have straightened it out
2021-05-27 23:13:25	altwulf	:D
2021-05-27 23:13:54	a-865	initial registration was with a-865. MrMazda is an alias/alternate
2021-05-27 23:14:09	ayecee	i see
2021-05-27 23:14:14	altwulf	Aha! ATTACK OF THE CLONES!
2021-05-27 23:14:41	a-865	different nicks on different PCs
2021-05-27 23:15:10	ayecee	like freenode, you'd add that nick as an alias on nickserv, i guess
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2021-05-27 23:15:37	a-865	MrMazda is my 20 year old original nick from moznet
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2021-05-27 23:16:05	MrMazda	exactly
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2021-05-27 23:19:36	altwulf	Jeebus, MrMazda, you been around a while, haven't you?
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2021-05-27 23:21:24	rindolf	hi all, sup?
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2021-05-27 23:22:59	iflema	i have a blank modprobe string
2021-05-27 23:23:02	iflema	for some reason
2021-05-27 23:23:09	iflema	pain in the arse :D
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2021-05-27 23:32:36	a-865	altwulf: +-20 years, starting on moznet
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2021-05-28 00:03:35	LissajousPattern	Hello
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2021-05-28 00:10:26	jim	hi
2021-05-28 00:11:39	oops	i hope to view all forward rules of iptables in filter , so i use command " iptables -t filter -L -v |grep 'Chain FORWARD", it only display a row include "Chain FORWARD" , it's not my wanted , how to achieve this
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2021-05-28 00:13:45	iflema	iptables-save ?
2021-05-28 00:13:56	iflema	dont point it anywhere
2021-05-28 00:14:00	iflema	and grep it?
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2021-05-28 00:15:23	iflema	no
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2021-05-28 00:17:09	jim	I wonder if iptables -L has a json output option... then you can feed it to jq
2021-05-28 00:18:05	iflema	dont forget ip6tables :D
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2021-05-28 00:25:09	iflema	seems they got one thing right
2021-05-28 00:25:40	 *	iflema jucks
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2021-05-28 00:31:21	rindolf	LissajousPattern: hi, sup?
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2021-05-28 00:34:05	mrkotfw	I'm using Unison for syncing files from one machine to another. I can't seem to find any information on how I can map the path/filename of a file on machine A to another filename on machine B
2021-05-28 00:34:09	mrkotfw	Is this possible?
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2021-05-28 00:41:29	jim	-another-?
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2021-05-28 00:54:57	mrkotfw	jim: I was rethinking, and they could be the same filename, but in another directory
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2021-05-28 01:09:54	jim	mrkotfw, could you show an example map of 1 file?
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2021-05-28 01:10:35	jim	it almost sounds like you want to install something
2021-05-28 01:10:41	jim	or deploy
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2021-05-28 01:14:48	jim	not so much, wanting to back up a dir tree
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2021-05-28 01:34:28	blerrp	i have created a network namespace (netns) for a vpn, and i also made a veth for communication between my vpn netns and my init/default netns.
2021-05-28 01:34:29	blerrp	however, from my init netns, how can i access daemons listening on localhost inside of my vpn netns? i can do a `ssh -R` remote port forward, but is there a more elegant solution?
2021-05-28 01:34:31	blerrp	i would like to not create a new ssh tunnel for each port i want forwarded. it would be cool to somehow make my veth on init netns translate to my vpn netns loopback. ideas?
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2021-05-28 07:31:08	triceratux	rofl oh & dont even try to get quassel to vork https://fedoramagazine.org/irc-announcement/
2021-05-28 07:31:18	triceratux	https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/27/ubuntu_freenode/
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2021-05-28 07:31:56	triceratux	if i were a fedora user i wouldnt budge until that matrix bridge is finishd. why run hexchat when you can run element.io ?
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2021-05-28 07:34:33	triceratux	btw the disroot folks say the same thing i do about matrix https://disroot.org/en/blog/matrix-closure
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2021-05-28 07:34:59	triceratux	"it seems like its architectural focus is directed elsewhere, valuing usability over privacy. Matrix stores the data posted to any room indefinitely on all participating servers. User addresses are visible to anyone participating in the room (in case of public rooms, it basically means to anyone)."
2021-05-28 07:35:10	triceratux	its a surveillance technology
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2021-05-28 07:38:04	rindolf	triceratux: hi, what?
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2021-05-28 07:41:11	triceratux	the matrix network rememebers a lot about your "state". a client like element is 100M & if you use it for irc its previewing all the urls & sending the info thru the matrix network. if youre into matrix its the way to go
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2021-05-28 07:41:49	triceratux	if youre into a secure, private, properly focussed irc network i wouldnt let fedora near it with that stuff :)
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2021-05-28 07:46:46	Camilo	hmm, interesting.
2021-05-28 07:46:56	Camilo	do people still use i2p
2021-05-28 07:49:34	Camilo	and on a totally different topic, where's centos at these days followin the stream announcement
2021-05-28 07:49:39	Sergiu	:/
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2021-05-28 07:52:30	triceratux	theyve been replaced from a plug compatible perspective https://rockylinux.org/download/ & they headed for lib3ra
2021-05-28 07:53:48	triceratux	folks really have always used centos. you cant just make it disappear https://almalinux.org/blog/almalinux-os-8-4-stable-now-available/
2021-05-28 07:55:12	oxek	"why run hexchat when you can run element.io" maybe because you (temporarily) need more free RAM for work?
2021-05-28 07:55:31	rascul	maybe because matrix is bleh
2021-05-28 07:55:46	triceratux	thanks for clearing that up :)
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2021-05-28 08:00:42	Camilo	I was looking at installing freeradius last year just after the announcement came out, didn't want to install CentOS given the uncertainty. Not sure if I should use debian or rocky now...
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2021-05-28 08:00:55	Camilo	Debian probably the safer bet at this point
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2021-05-28 08:03:41	triceratux	depends on if you need linux or redhat. centos compatibility is vital in certain places
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2021-05-28 08:07:08	Camilo	redhat not needed, just find that sometimes this type of software (and documentation) is written with RHEL in mind and can get a bit annoying when Debian based systems use a slightly different file structure
2021-05-28 08:07:22	rascul	maybe try opensuse
2021-05-28 08:08:03	Camilo	I don't know if the sockets are different too but I did find myself tripping over some sockets issue
2021-05-28 08:08:16	Camilo	thanks rascul I will look into that
2021-05-28 08:08:25	rascul	opensuse is rpm so maybe not as big a jump as rh to debian
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2021-05-28 08:10:04	rascul	also sometimes fedora/rh packages can work out of the box on opensuse but i wouldn't go in expecting that
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2021-05-28 08:39:37	triceratux	mibbit https://search.mibbit.com/channels/Libera.chat
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2021-05-28 08:50:17	FightingFalcon	Im changing the contents of a file in my server but date-modified does not change?
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2021-05-28 08:53:50	triceratux	oooh thats sweet https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
2021-05-28 08:54:06	 *	triceratux pronounces this the greatest irc drama ever
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2021-05-28 09:05:31	wikan	hi
2021-05-28 09:05:49	wikan	i need to test my software so i am trying to write firewall rule
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2021-05-28 09:06:19	wikan	i can't figureout solution to block ipv6 dport on specific interface
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2021-05-28 09:07:13	wikan	using nftables
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2021-05-28 09:08:01	wikan	it is extremly annoying
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2021-05-28 09:13:30	wikan	is it possible to disable ipv6?
2021-05-28 09:13:42	wikan	system is igoring my setup
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2021-05-28 09:54:10	kurahaupo	oxek: maybe because (1) I like a CLI; (2) I don't want Element or Matrix recording my activity (or that of the people I corresponded with); (3) I want a client that's small enough that I can audit the code
2021-05-28 09:55:15	oxek	kurahaupo: I know
2021-05-28 09:56:11	Prestige	Anyone know how well the matrix -> weechat integration works?
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2021-05-28 09:59:29	triceratux	if you mean the bridges, they can be made to work. theyre cumbersome & require some patience https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Bridged-IRC-networks
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2021-05-28 10:15:21	Prestige	I thought there was a way to just hook up weechat to matrix directly
2021-05-28 10:16:32	triceratux	ah that i havent looked into
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2021-05-28 10:18:44	Prestige	https://matrix.org/docs/projects/client/weechat-matrix
2021-05-28 10:19:49	triceratux	i guess i did see that. i dont use their site because i get a popup every 20sec
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2021-05-28 10:20:41	triceratux	didnt try it. i know nothing about matrix resources. maybe it could be used to get to the bridge & back to freenode :)
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2021-05-28 10:22:47	Prestige	Are the ops at libera allowing a bridge?
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2021-05-28 10:23:18	djph	Prestige: maybe ask them?
2021-05-28 10:23:54	Prestige	I'm not there, was hoping someone would know. Would be nice to have the linux channels bridged
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2021-05-28 10:25:11	Research	Does anyone know where I can find my docker containers?
2021-05-28 10:25:27	Research	They're taking space on my hard drive but I can't find them
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2021-05-28 10:26:26	djph	Research: according to the fine manual -- /var/lib
2021-05-28 10:26:35	djph	*/var/lib/docker
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2021-05-28 10:27:46	Research	djph, hmm I don't see any containers in there
2021-05-28 10:27:48	ranran8888	why i need cheack if my apache start work very slow tday ? never be like this i rebot many times and i dont change nothinf before itss start
2021-05-28 10:27:57	Research	docker container ls also doesn't show anything
2021-05-28 10:27:58	ranran8888	what*
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2021-05-28 10:32:24	Research	djph, I do see them in docker images though
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2021-05-28 10:38:58	djph	Research: dunno, maybe you did somethign different, or your distro did.
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2021-05-28 10:42:43	Research	djph, I mean there are a whole bunch of folders in the image/ subdirectory but I don't see any files in there
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2021-05-28 10:47:31	akk	Prestige: earlier you asked about matrix-weechat. Can weechat use libpurple? I just got matrix running in hexchat using a libpurple plugin.
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2021-05-28 10:52:48	Prestige	no idea, haven't heard of it
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2021-05-28 10:57:03	djph	Research: ... ok...?
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2021-05-28 10:57:57	Research	yeah not sure why I asked in the first place
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2021-05-28 10:58:53	djph	Research: I mean, the presence of directories doesn't necessarily mean the presence of files
2021-05-28 10:59:02	Research	sure
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2021-05-28 10:59:34	djph	Research: perhaps use something like 'du' to figure out where the data's being used
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2021-05-28 11:14:46	Nickwiz	lsdu, https://github.com/Termplexed/lsdu
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2021-05-28 11:36:30	superboot	Hi all. How can I see what interface (usb, sata, ide, etc) a /dev/sd* is using?
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2021-05-28 11:43:50	Prestige	superboot: maybe https://serverfault.com/questions/194506/find-out-if-disk-is-ide-or-sata ?
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2021-05-28 11:57:02	ErkiS	is there a way to add a user-specific location for bash completion scripts (ubuntu 20)?
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2021-05-28 12:07:42	rascul	ErkiS sure, put a line in your bash startup file(s) to go through whatever directory you want and source the scripts there
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2021-05-28 12:12:07	ErkiS	rascul: but is there a standard for just adding such a location?
2021-05-28 12:12:14	rascul	no
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2021-05-28 12:14:42	Nickwiz	Some like debian based has /usr/share/bash-completion/bash_completion, which in turn sources ~/.bash_completion
2021-05-28 12:14:52	Nickwiz	But that was perhasp not the q
2021-05-28 12:15:01	Nickwiz	estion
2021-05-28 12:16:35	Nickwiz	I use ~/.bash_completion and load scripts from there ...
2021-05-28 12:16:54	ErkiS	Nickwiz: thank you, indeed there is such a file there
2021-05-28 12:17:24	Nickwiz	This might be of interest: https://serverfault.com/a/831184
2021-05-28 12:18:26	ErkiS	Nickwiz: much obliged, that's perfect
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2021-05-28 12:21:53	SureSumbat	the covid-19 tcl is not working for eggdrop eggdrop-1.9.0 ( any idea )
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2021-05-28 12:25:45	ranran8888	apache server start response very slow , i not change nothing in the server . also when i write apache restatrt take more time before its start the problem what i can do ?
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2021-05-28 12:34:30	sudomann	when there are env variables, and i see a command like `SOME_VAR=0` ./foo.sh
2021-05-28 12:34:42	sudomann	is SOME_VAR considered an environment variable?
2021-05-28 12:35:20	Nickwiz	Yes, but only for the duration of foo.sh
2021-05-28 12:35:37	sudomann	thanks!
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2021-05-28 12:48:29	patanga	how to convert a ps to pdf with groff, or with anything else than ps2pdf?
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2021-05-28 12:49:34	esselfe	maybe libreoffice, not sure
2021-05-28 12:50:03	patanga	esselfe: yes, but that is a huge program
2021-05-28 12:50:13	patanga	something small?
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2021-05-28 12:50:25	esselfe	I don't know sorry
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2021-05-28 12:50:57	rangergord	I have a Debian liveCD I'm trying to use to rewrite the partition on a weird system from a backup. However, I can't boot the graphical LiveCD environment, the system fails to boot properly and I'm back at the Debian LiveCD options. What's the easiest (not having to spend more than 5 minutes reading) way to get a bootable USB drive that lets me run "dd if=/dev/sdX of=/sameusb/image.ext4 ? Something that won't choke on weird
2021-05-28 12:50:57	rangergord	hardware. The Debian LiveCD lets me open a command-line but it just takes me to a grub prompt and I don't know grub commands.
2021-05-28 12:51:32	oxek	rangergord: grml
2021-05-28 12:52:13	oxek	the debian LiveCDs are not intended for any of what you're trying
2021-05-28 12:52:32	oxek	the installer CDs have a rescue mode that can do it as well
2021-05-28 12:52:40	triceratux	https://www.system-rescue.org/
2021-05-28 12:52:52	oxek	+1 for systemrescue as well
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2021-05-28 12:57:05	rangergord	allright, thanks
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2021-05-28 12:58:30	rangergord	oxek: grml being Debian-based, do you know if it automatically uses DHCP like a normal system, and let me apt install some packages?
2021-05-28 12:58:47	oxek	rangergord: yes
2021-05-28 12:59:13	rangergord	cool thanks, I'll start there
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2021-05-28 13:00:00	triceratux	it runs dhclient in fact
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2021-05-28 13:03:46	triceratux	hrm got discord installed & signed onto matrix via gomuks https://github.com/tulir/gomuks/releases/tag/v0.2.3
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2021-05-28 13:29:58	rangergord	I booted grml, then when done I typed "reboot". It began spitting out constant squashfs errors and now my USB needs reformatting (reinstalling grml on it now). What could have done that?
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2021-05-28 13:30:56	rangergord	hmm, I think the USB might have been the /dev/sda1 I wrote to
2021-05-28 13:31:05	rangergord	so my mistake
2021-05-28 13:31:46	rangergord	it's the same size as the HDD, 64GB
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2021-05-28 13:54:34	galex-713	hello
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2021-05-28 13:55:15	galex-713	I observe a truncated file in my filesystem, it’s important, file~, #file# and .#file are all the same truncated file, and it’s an important file (phonebook, a simple csv file)
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2021-05-28 13:55:30	galex-713	I use ext4, which is journaled right? could journaling help me there?
2021-05-28 13:55:35	aaii	Hi, Now I really hate these new laptops, Now my debian after 'shutdonw -h now' can't be shutdown still show some log in screen, And the battery is builtin and I can't do anything,just wait for ran out of this .. battery :(( And I dunno why It can't be shutdown :|
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2021-05-28 13:59:45	triceratux	shutdown is a symlink to systemd. it no longer works
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2021-05-28 14:00:17	triceratux	you want sync ; sudo sh -c 'echo b >/proc/sysrq-trigger'
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2021-05-28 14:00:30	aaii	triceratux, So Which command I should do?
2021-05-28 14:00:47	aaii	Now I can't run any command
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2021-05-28 14:01:16	triceratux	thatll teach you. debian want to make sure youre paying attention every step of the way
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2021-05-28 14:01:57	triceratux	https://paste.opensuse.org/42157022
2021-05-28 14:02:01	aaii	The screen just show me libvirt-guests.sh[9926]: Running guest on default :///
2021-05-28 14:02:59	aaii	And this laptop don't have any key for force power-off :| (thinkpad T14)
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2021-05-28 14:06:08	Industrial	Hi
2021-05-28 14:06:23	Industrial	xrandr --output DP-1 --left-of DP-2 --auto --rate 60; xrandr --output DP-2 --right-of DP-1 --primary --auto --rate 300
2021-05-28 14:06:29	Industrial	this mirrors my screens somehow.
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2021-05-28 14:06:33	Industrial	What did I do wrong?
2021-05-28 14:07:00	Industrial	DP-2 is the laptop screen, actually :)
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2021-05-28 14:21:44	rangergord	I created an OS image of type "DOS/MBR boot sector" (according to 'file'). I dd'ed it to a system with MMC storage, but it won't boot. I know the image works, if I convert it to VDI it boots fine in Virtualbox. I think it's some type mismatch. How can I write such image (even if I use an intermediate conversion step) to that MMC storage?
2021-05-28 14:22:40	rangergord	By "it won't boot", I mean the system goes straight to BIOS after rebooting. And then always goes back to BIOS. No errors, nothing.
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2021-05-28 14:24:36	NyB	rangergord: perhaps if you mentioned what system you are talking about? Most run-of-the-mill PCs do not have MMC storage, I think...
2021-05-28 14:25:07	englosh	what is actually the correct way to do this thing when I want to 1. read a file's content into memory and truncate the file to 0 and then 2. at the end of the program read that content back? Is there maybe some specific mechanism in Linux that guarantees me that the file content is always gracefully written back? Currently I'm just checking for
2021-05-28 14:25:08	englosh	some common termination signals like SIGTERM, SIGHUP, SIGINT and so on but of course that can go wrong so I was wondering if there is something better
2021-05-28 14:25:19	rangergord	didn't think it was relevant, it's a no-name low-power PC, like an Atom-based Raspberry Pi
2021-05-28 14:25:40	rangergord	it's x64, and the OS is regular Debian 10
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2021-05-28 14:27:06	NyB	OK, why do you expect MMC to behave like a normal drive?
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2021-05-28 14:27:55	rangergord	storage is storage, no?
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2021-05-28 14:28:23	NyB	no idea about yours, but on non-PC systems it's often mapped into memory, and accessed directly. The bootloader is different, the Linux device names are different etc
2021-05-28 14:29:06	NyB	rangergord: dunno if VirtualBox does, but IIRC qemu supports emulating MMC devices. Try booting your image there.
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2021-05-28 14:29:35	NyB	even the kind of MMC matters in some cases - the Linux kernel has different drivers for different kinds of memory.
2021-05-28 14:31:00	Edebala	Hello! I started using StartX instead of lightDM/Slim, but a lot of my programs start very slowly(evince,flameshot). Why could that be?
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2021-05-28 14:31:54	NyB	Edebala: umm... you mean startx the command line script, or something else?
2021-05-28 14:32:38	Edebala	In command line, and I wrote exec dwm in the .xinitrc
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2021-05-28 14:34:47	Edebala	I disabled my login manager, so I start Xorg with startx, from terminal.
2021-05-28 14:35:56	Industrial	why? is lightdm too heavy for your system when you boot the system?
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2021-05-28 14:36:13	NyB	Edebala: my first random guess would be that something about how Xorg is started now leads it to use the framebuffer driver instead of a proper GPU driver.
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2021-05-28 14:41:57	PlanC	hello
2021-05-28 14:42:07	PlanC	does anyone know how to decode rdata?
2021-05-28 14:42:21	PlanC	it's just a bunch of strange characters mixed with the real hostname
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2021-05-28 14:42:42	koollman	PlanC: what are you doing ?
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2021-05-28 14:44:20	PlanC	koollman, playing around with netdns2 in php
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2021-05-28 14:44:35	PlanC	koollman, it returns something called "rdata"
2021-05-28 14:44:49	PlanC	but it consists of a bunch of gibberish characters together with normal ones
2021-05-28 14:45:04	koollman	PlanC: when there's such data in the dns answer, yes. it probably has a way to decode it, too
2021-05-28 14:45:33	PlanC	what's the encoding though?
2021-05-28 14:45:36	PlanC	and how do I decode it
2021-05-28 14:45:40	PlanC	have googled without finding anything
2021-05-28 14:46:08	koollman	it's a dns answer
2021-05-28 14:46:27	koollman	you could probably find it in various dns references. But don't do it yourself
2021-05-28 14:48:18	koollman	the examples don't seem to deal with much complexity in decoding stuff: https://netdns2.com/documentation/examples/
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2021-05-28 14:51:38	Nickwiz	https://www.loc.gov/preservation/digital/formats/fdd/fdd000470.shtml
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2021-05-28 14:52:05	Nickwiz	So for example: https://yetanothermathprogrammingconsultant.blogspot.com/2016/02/r-rdata-file-format.html
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2021-05-28 14:53:45	Nickwiz	koollman: and if you are looking at DNS packets, then RFC
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2021-05-28 14:54:51	Nickwiz	I just rad rdata, and thought you meant rdata hah
2021-05-28 14:55:11	Nickwiz	https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1035#section-3.3.1 <-- RDATA ie
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2021-05-28 14:55:43	Nickwiz	Header https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc1035#section-4.1.1
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2021-05-28 15:00:34	Nickwiz	You typically use unpack / pack in PHP
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2021-05-28 15:00:51	simbaclaws	which webservers have TLS 1.3 implemented already?
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2021-05-28 15:02:29	Nickwiz	As in Apache etc?
2021-05-28 15:02:32	simbaclaws	yes
2021-05-28 15:02:38	simbaclaws	does openlitespeed support 1.3?
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2021-05-28 15:02:42	simbaclaws	or is most of it still on 1.2?
2021-05-28 15:02:51	simbaclaws	nginx?
2021-05-28 15:02:59	simbaclaws	I guess I could google this :/
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2021-05-28 15:03:53	simbaclaws	hmm I guess most already do
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2021-05-28 15:04:00	simbaclaws	you'd only have to enable it
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2021-05-28 15:06:17	simbaclaws	hmmm does quic over udp make use of DTLS?
2021-05-28 15:06:44	cybrNaut	what's a lean window manager with lots of key bindings?  target machine has 4gb ram.  I started to look at ratpoison but heard it's no longer maintained
2021-05-28 15:06:58	koollman	cybrNaut: i3
2021-05-28 15:07:09	simbaclaws	I'm currently using dwm, you can write your own keybindings in c if you want to have a fun time :)
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2021-05-28 15:09:04	cybrNaut	thanks for the tips.. i'll have a look at those
2021-05-28 15:09:16	simbaclaws	i3 is widely used, you can also go with xmonad
2021-05-28 15:09:40	markus4735	can u install unreal ircd on ubuntu server?
2021-05-28 15:09:45	simbaclaws	if you want i3 on wayland you can try sway
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2021-05-28 15:46:38	machinehum	Is there a way to tell rsync to delete the files in the destination that are not in the source?
2021-05-28 15:46:49	kfrench	machinehum: --delete
2021-05-28 15:47:22	machinehum	sudo rsync --ignore-existing --delete -r music/* mnt/ # This should sync all the files in music with mnt?
2021-05-28 15:47:28	machinehum	Without recopying
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2021-05-28 15:47:50	kfrench	Looks ok.  Use a -n and review the output to be sure.  Add another -v if needbe
2021-05-28 15:47:56	machinehum	Thanks
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2021-05-28 15:49:16	xioton	Hey. Is there a way to give a user permissions to do what sudo can, but without them invoking the "sudo" or the "su" commands?
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2021-05-28 15:49:50	kfrench	xioton: Maybe through the use of aliases and/or functions...
2021-05-28 15:49:56	tmm88	you have to prepend that in your bash settings
2021-05-28 15:49:57	kfrench	xioton: It would be cluny
2021-05-28 15:49:59	kfrench	clunky
2021-05-28 15:50:21	tmm88	check .bashrc and .bashprofile
2021-05-28 15:50:41	tmm88	in your home directory
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2021-05-28 16:04:00	rangergord	what does it actually take for a system to play audio? My test is apt installing sox (the play command) and running "play sound.wav". It works on a desktop install of Debian 10. Doesn't work on a base Debian 10. What's the minimum number of things I need to set up to play that file?
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2021-05-28 16:05:44	koala_man	rangergord: if there's a difference between a desktop install and some base install, I'd think the difference is that the desktop install uses Pulseaudio
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2021-05-28 16:07:21	koala_man	the minimum should just be having alsa drivers loaded
2021-05-28 16:07:32	rangergord	"alsa -l" shows the same soundcard on both
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2021-05-28 16:07:59	rangergord	is that enough to assume drivers are loaded?
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2021-05-28 16:08:27	rangergord	I'll have to look into this PulseAudio business. I'm new to the desktop aspects of Linux. And the server aspects.
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2021-05-28 16:08:48	rangergord	sorry "aplay -l" not alsa
2021-05-28 16:09:21	triceratux	rangergord: first thing is always to install alsamixer & see if something is muted
2021-05-28 16:10:57	rangergord	triceratux: it actually was, I raised it to max but unfortunately still no output for "play sound.wav"
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2021-05-28 16:12:34	rangergord	nope, got it. it was the mute. I had raised the volume earlier, didn't understand that it's separate from Mute
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2021-05-28 16:19:42	BorgCuba	can we still trust freenode?
2021-05-28 16:20:30	triceratux	rangergord: welcome to alsamixer :)
2021-05-28 16:20:31	CrystalMath	i think so
2021-05-28 16:20:43	CrystalMath	BorgCuba: or at least, libera staff told me that freenode won't sell data
2021-05-28 16:20:54	CrystalMath	to be more precise
2021-05-28 16:21:02	rascul	i'll sell your data
2021-05-28 16:21:07	CrystalMath	not that i thought it would, but even they say it
2021-05-28 16:21:11	 *	triceratux sells rasculs data
2021-05-28 16:21:21	 *	rascul buys triceratux's data
2021-05-28 16:21:34	CrystalMath	you bought your own data?
2021-05-28 16:21:43	rascul	why would i want to? i already know it
2021-05-28 16:21:44	BorgCuba	CrystalMath, Okay, that sounds good
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2021-05-28 16:25:00	xioton	Heheh
2021-05-28 16:25:00	oxek	I'll sell all data I have on you if someone wants to buy them from me
2021-05-28 16:25:09	xioton	CrystalMath
2021-05-28 16:25:12	xioton	Sick name
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2021-05-28 16:31:27	Nickwiz	Perhaps the name need some medicine
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2021-05-28 16:55:16	swensson	GOooooooood evening
2021-05-28 16:56:42	Thrasher194	Afternoon!
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2021-05-28 17:23:15	rangergord	any boomers around who remember something called Network Audio System, last updated in 2013? How popular was it?
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2021-05-28 17:41:06	NGC3982	there we go
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2021-05-28 18:44:14	Lutin	jim how is your sexyness today ? This channel seems to be not very colorful atm
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2021-05-28 18:45:34	triceratux	Lutin: weve been abandoned. he has a new home :'(
2021-05-28 18:46:12	Lutin	triceratux really ? Where did he left his Windows open ?
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2021-05-28 18:46:36	Lutin	And ran after an Apple trying to catch it ?
2021-05-28 18:48:34	triceratux	theyre watching from afar. theres a system of ##ob channels on libera. observer bridge
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2021-05-28 18:48:56	triceratux	maybe theyve been running matrix too long. they needed a break
2021-05-28 18:49:12	Noir	Totally not stalkerish, why not just make it a two-way bridge?
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2021-05-28 18:50:37	Lutin	triceratux and his sexyness didn't protect him against them >
2021-05-28 18:50:38	Lutin	?
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2021-05-28 18:53:09	triceratux	https://betanews.com/2021/05/28/irc-fedora-ubuntu-linux-libera-freenode/
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2021-05-28 19:00:42	jim	Lutin, how do you mean?
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2021-05-28 19:01:34	bparker	triceratux: it's the existing channel mods that many people disliked in the first place... the main staff are largely transparent
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2021-05-28 19:03:05	jim	how is destroying whole community channels, transparent?
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2021-05-28 19:03:55	bparker	what community channels were destroyed and how?
2021-05-28 19:04:04	oxek	jim: maybe because everyone can see it? :p
2021-05-28 19:04:22	jim	yeah, I guess
2021-05-28 19:04:40	bparker	the article only mentions 'implications' about a business purchase
2021-05-28 19:04:47	bparker	not 'destroying channels'
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2021-05-28 19:05:08	jim	bparker, #perl, by kickbanning all people on the channels, and then setting it to invite only
2021-05-28 19:05:21	jim	I have logs
2021-05-28 19:05:27	Lutin	jim about what, Windows or the Apple ?
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2021-05-28 19:07:29	bparker	#perl or ##perl ? I was able to join the latter just fine
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2021-05-28 19:09:11	jim	lutin. "<Lutin> jim how is your sexyness today ? This channel seems to be not very colorful atm"
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2021-05-28 19:09:38	oxek	jim: /mode ##linux -c
2021-05-28 19:10:28	oxek	oh it's mlock
2021-05-28 19:11:26	Lutin	jim you seem to be sexy... you are back and traffic/words are flowing again! It's like magic :P
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2021-05-28 19:13:00	treefrob	jim, what was the point of doing that to #perl?
2021-05-28 19:13:18	 *	treefrob can't imagine the purpose
2021-05-28 19:13:21	Lutin	treefrob everyone has a brainfart from time to time
2021-05-28 19:13:34	jim	it was probably a punishment for announcing where they were going to leave to
2021-05-28 19:13:50	treefrob	mmm, that sounds very childish
2021-05-28 19:14:01	jim	agreed
2021-05-28 19:14:09	treefrob	ouch
2021-05-28 19:14:28	jim	it's also censorship, and trying to control people
2021-05-28 19:14:43	jim	(like an organized religion would)
2021-05-28 19:15:01	treefrob	Thou shalt have no other gods before me
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2021-05-28 19:15:28	jim	my guess, is Lee was planning to monitize somehow
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2021-05-28 19:15:41	NGC3982	monitize freenode?
2021-05-28 19:15:47	NGC3982	that sounds like an adventure
2021-05-28 19:15:48	Lutin	why create people such weird docker mail containers
2021-05-28 19:15:58	triceratux	https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html
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2021-05-28 19:17:05	NGC3982	ouch.
2021-05-28 19:19:00	triceratux	it was this stuff. theres some other writeups https://mastodon.sdf.org/@kline/106299403921451814
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2021-05-28 19:20:17	Noir	There's been an apology, the bot wasn't supposed to close active channels. Founders can get their channels back at #freenode-services.
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2021-05-28 19:21:03	pnbeast	Did the bot write the apology willingly, or was it forced to write the apology?
2021-05-28 19:21:34	jim	when do you not force a bot to do something?
2021-05-28 19:22:04	pnbeast	I don't know, they keep talking about "AI" and all that stuff.  I figure some day it has to happen.
2021-05-28 19:22:15	treefrob	i thought that was humor
2021-05-28 19:22:24	triceratux	Noir: oh well. founders got their channels back at libera.chat :)
2021-05-28 19:22:34	jim	more artificial, less intelligence
2021-05-28 19:22:36	pnbeast	Bazinga!
2021-05-28 19:22:41	treefrob	has this channel been hijacked?
2021-05-28 19:22:52	Noir	No
2021-05-28 19:22:57	Noir	##channels weren't affected
2021-05-28 19:22:59	 *	treefrob displays his ignorance of such things
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2021-05-28 19:23:04	jim	no, not at all
2021-05-28 19:23:35	treefrob	jim, you were a mod here, no?
2021-05-28 19:23:46	jim	let's see...
2021-05-28 19:23:50	--	Mode ##linux [+o jim] by ChanServ
2021-05-28 19:23:54	treefrob	:)
2021-05-28 19:23:54	--	Mode ##linux [-o jim] by ChanServ
2021-05-28 19:24:03	jim	I guess I still am :)
2021-05-28 19:24:11	treefrob	and on libera too, apparently
2021-05-28 19:24:28	NGC3982	jim will always be jim
2021-05-28 19:24:32	NGC3982	the jimmiest
2021-05-28 19:24:48	 *	jim IS jim!!
2021-05-28 19:24:48	treefrob	jimmies!
2021-05-28 19:25:08	klotz	dire times
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2021-05-28 19:25:12	NGC3982	jimmiest ii - the jimmining
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2021-05-28 19:30:08	jim	amazing drummer (been so for a very long time) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHi5BS7ybE
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2021-05-28 19:32:31	jim	treefrob, yeah, the original irc ops, and at least our channel ops all went to irc.libera.chat
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2021-05-28 19:34:36	triceratux	you can watch the process. its a steady drain https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
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2021-05-28 19:35:53	klotz	dang
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2021-05-28 19:36:28	klotz	and all because of that korean prince guy?
2021-05-28 19:36:52	triceratux	pretty much https://i.imgur.com/Kt0XjGQ.jpg
2021-05-28 19:37:14	jim	that part I'm not sure... but he has taken several fairly draconian actions
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2021-05-28 19:38:27	klotz	i see
2021-05-28 19:38:31	treefrob	jim, thanks
2021-05-28 19:38:35	jim	so at the moment we're growing slower than freenode is shrinking
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2021-05-28 19:39:11	triceratux	folks are taking the opportunity to drift off onto matrix & discord
2021-05-28 19:39:21	treefrob	you haven't taken my circumference into account
2021-05-28 19:39:54	klotz	triceratux: yeah i don't like those...
2021-05-28 19:39:57	pnbeast	ZOMG, it's probably just the swelling that occurs before an implosion.  IRC will be condensed into a sphere so dense that only trolls will emerge!
2021-05-28 19:40:13	djph	pnbeast: so... nothing will change?
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2021-05-28 19:40:25	treefrob	:)
2021-05-28 19:40:33	pnbeast	Okay, fine, if you want to put it that way.  Sounds so depressing...
2021-05-28 19:40:50	djph	I mean, it is IRC :D
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2021-05-28 19:41:05	NGC3982	that is the retoric of all social media
2021-05-28 19:41:15	NGC3982	"this is reddit", "this is twitter"
2021-05-28 19:41:16	treefrob	what is the difference between #channel and ##channel, besides the extra char?
2021-05-28 19:41:31	CrystalMath	treefrob: ## are unofficial channels
2021-05-28 19:41:39	CrystalMath	the # namespace is reserved for official channels
2021-05-28 19:42:03	treefrob	thanks. So ... why is ##linux not #linux?
2021-05-28 19:42:13	jim	# is on-to9pic channel (for example #linux would probably need Linus as a group contact), ## is "about" channel
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2021-05-28 19:42:38	klotz	yeah, never saw torwalds yelling around here
2021-05-28 19:42:48	treefrob	he prefers to yell elsewhere
2021-05-28 19:42:53	NGC3982	how is that defined, really? can #open-source exist?
2021-05-28 19:42:59	klotz	he certainly does
2021-05-28 19:43:09	jim	or even being here, I dont' think he like to do those kinds of things
2021-05-28 19:43:27	treefrob	I'm pretty sure he doesn't
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2021-05-28 19:43:53	treefrob	judging by what I've read...
2021-05-28 19:44:08	klotz	yeah, think the mailing list is his venting outlet
2021-05-28 19:44:09	treefrob	and my weekly catch-up chat with him, of course
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2021-05-28 19:44:36	jim	treefrob, by phone? or how?
2021-05-28 19:44:57	treefrob	jim, sorry about that. weak attempt at humor. I'm a pimple on the arse of FOSS
2021-05-28 19:45:25	jim	oh ok, no worries
2021-05-28 19:45:29	ayecee	and a very handsome pimple at that
2021-05-28 19:45:38	treefrob	you are too kind
2021-05-28 19:45:40	NGC3982	whats foss?
2021-05-28 19:46:00	ayecee	acronym, free / open source software
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2021-05-28 19:46:23	treefrob	I have, well had, exactly one GPL'd project that was mirrored by a bunch of GNU sites
2021-05-28 19:46:35	klotz	with the fresh addition of asian royalty, it seems
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2021-05-28 19:46:51	jim	treefrob, which project is that?
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2021-05-28 19:47:55	Dr-007	question; can ipv4 connect to ipv6? like my windows has no ip6 enabled but it -seems- i cant connect to my linux on an ipv6 address.
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2021-05-28 19:48:30	ayecee	Dr-007: nope
2021-05-28 19:48:57	ayecee	except inasmuch as ipv4 addresses are represented as a subnet within ipv6
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2021-05-28 19:49:54	Dr-007	ayecee: that stinks.. why create ipv6 if they cant talk with eachother, they shouldve just enlarged ipv4...
2021-05-28 19:50:03	jim	so if an ipv4 connected machine also has the proper ipv6 address (which is a representation of the ipv4 address) it can connect?
2021-05-28 19:50:07	ayecee	ipv6 can talk with ipv4
2021-05-28 19:50:32	ayecee	if you "just enlarged ipv4" you'd have the same problem.
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2021-05-28 19:50:44	jim	which would really be an example of ipv6 talking to ipv6?
2021-05-28 19:50:56	Dr-007	ayecee, how so the same problem?
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2021-05-28 19:51:34	ayecee	Dr-007: you wouldn't be able to connect to addresses in the expanded space with a machine using the old style addresses.
2021-05-28 19:51:50	Dr-007	ok
2021-05-28 19:52:10	treefrob	Dr-007, they *did* enlarge ipv4. it's called ipv6
2021-05-28 19:52:30	jim	I think it's that a -direct- connection can't be made, but if you make representation of the ipv4 address as an ipv6 address, you can connect
2021-05-28 19:52:31	ayecee	heh
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2021-05-28 19:53:48	Dr-007	well it sucks big time. my modem has only got ipv6 port forwarding. so i enabled ipv6 in my router and set up the forwarding. but this is already mismatching on the model since they append it with /128 (some range stuff, i assume) while my router has /64 appended. so this was the first thing that doesnt add up. and my phone on 4G doesnt get ipv6 so i couldnt connect to my webserver if i got
2021-05-28 19:53:48	Dr-007	it to work
2021-05-28 19:53:54	 *	treefrob suspects a NATting router is required to connect a v4 to a v6 system
2021-05-28 19:54:22	Dr-007	*model=modem
2021-05-28 19:54:27	ayecee	that's unfortunate
2021-05-28 19:54:43	ayecee	and probably related to the limited availability of ipv4 addresses
2021-05-28 19:55:52	Dr-007	you'd think
2021-05-28 19:56:10	Dr-007	but when i goto a website like http://watismijnip.nl (whatsmyip) it gives an ipv4 ip
2021-05-28 19:56:21	ayecee	well yeah
2021-05-28 19:56:28	ayecee	one that you share with a bunch of other clowns
2021-05-28 19:56:51	Dr-007	so i googled about my isp, remarking that i should call them and then they enable ipv4 port forwarding
2021-05-28 19:57:25	Dr-007	hmm, well.. ill hear about it tomorrow and see if youre right
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2021-05-28 19:57:48	jim	Dr-007, so right now you have an ipv4 address from your isp?
2021-05-28 19:57:59	Dr-007	i should be able to make my webserver reachable via the web, otherwise ill change isp
2021-05-28 19:58:10	Dr-007	jim, yes and a ipv6
2021-05-28 19:58:15	Dr-007	(it seems)
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2021-05-28 19:58:51	jim	do you know if the ipv6 addr is a single address, or a largish subnet?
2021-05-28 19:59:29	ayecee	it's a /128, so a single address
2021-05-28 19:59:38	jim	oh ok
2021-05-28 20:00:13	Dr-007	jim, https://bpa.st/MQHA it doesnt say anything about an ipv4 inthere though, thats my modem's intel
2021-05-28 20:01:39	jim	yeah, I haven;t learned about ipv6 much
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2021-05-28 20:02:08	ayecee	daamn, .nl isn't just several timezones ahead, now they're ahead in ipv6 deployment
2021-05-28 20:02:09	Dr-007	me neither :p and ive been at it for 2 hours now, trying things
2021-05-28 20:02:54	jim	maybe you could put the web server on the ipv6 address?
2021-05-28 20:03:10	Dr-007	ayecee, in the past .nl (and still probably) got all main europe connections. you know wires from england and such
2021-05-28 20:03:32	jim	do you have a domain name (that you may have bought/rented)?
2021-05-28 20:03:46	Dr-007	ive tried. ive tried alot.. thats why i thought id come ask if its possible at all to connect from ipv4 to ipv6
2021-05-28 20:03:58	Dr-007	yeah ive got a domain name
2021-05-28 20:04:11	ayecee	it's not possible :(
2021-05-28 20:04:30	Dr-007	so you said :( thanks for you advice
2021-05-28 20:04:48	Dr-007	ill call my isp tomorrow, see if they can change it so i can access my webserver from my phone
2021-05-28 20:04:54	jim	do you want to use that domain as the web address?
2021-05-28 20:05:23	Dr-007	jim, i was gonna set up a subdomain pointing towards my home webserver
2021-05-28 20:05:42	jim	do you have static IPs?
2021-05-28 20:06:19	Dr-007	i think so, havent changed in a while. but it changes sometimes..
2021-05-28 20:06:31	Dr-007	but theres where ddns comes in i believe
2021-05-28 20:07:07	jim	hmm. if it changes, it's not static
2021-05-28 20:07:41	Dr-007	well it doesnt change daily or when i reboot the modem
2021-05-28 20:07:48	jim	can you get a static address (ipv4 or ipv6) added to your net connection from your isp?
2021-05-28 20:08:04	Dr-007	ill know tomorrow
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2021-05-28 20:08:20	ayecee	yes, but... for a price
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2021-05-28 20:10:58	prussian	Dr-007: just have a timed task that sets your A, AAAA records or makes sure they are fresh.
2021-05-28 20:11:02	prussian	Simple
2021-05-28 20:11:18	jim	ayecee, right... Dr-007, an additional static ip will come at an extra cost
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2021-05-28 20:11:39	prussian	Every ISP ever is probably using dhcp, slaac and maybe dhcp6 in 2021. So your ip changing so often isn't entirely unsurprising
2021-05-28 20:12:03	CrystalMath	prussian: but it excludes you from chanfix on EFNet :P
2021-05-28 20:12:12	prussian	Rip
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2021-05-28 20:14:08	Dr-007	excuse me for a moment while i reboot my router
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2021-05-28 20:32:24	Dr-007	well, i found it, its an ipv6 only when its DS-lite, but they can change it to IPv4 only or Full Dual stack. so ill call in tomorrow and check if they can change it
2021-05-28 20:32:27	Dr-007	thanks again
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2021-05-28 20:35:19	jim	you have a few different choices for the web server...
2021-05-28 20:36:24	Dr-007	what do you mean?
2021-05-28 20:36:47	jim	the usual choice I've seen, is to get a vps with a static IP, maybe install linux on that, and get a web server going on it...
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2021-05-28 20:37:28	jim	you can also add a static IP to your home setup, and connect your web server to that
2021-05-28 20:38:37	jim	you could also try to do the dyndns thing (a way of keeping a domain name synced with a changing (dynamic) IP)
2021-05-28 20:38:58	jim	I think those are your basic choices
2021-05-28 20:39:09	COVID-1984	ups
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2021-05-28 20:40:36	Dr-007	jim, ill go with the redirect to my home ip via an a record on my dns, ill know tomorrow if it works
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2021-05-28 20:41:24	jim	so, the third choice I listed
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2021-05-28 20:42:14	Dr-007	yes, ive already got it all set up at home
2021-05-28 20:42:38	Dr-007	anyways, thanks
2021-05-28 20:42:56	Dr-007	and good bye its 2:42 am overhere
2021-05-28 20:43:03	jim	heh
2021-05-28 20:43:08	jim	ok, good nite
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2021-05-28 22:15:23	porky	what package do I need to install to get the nslookup coommand?
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2021-05-28 22:16:41	porky	*command
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2021-05-28 22:20:16	pnbeast	[R], you're a symlinked argv[0].
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2021-05-28 22:30:15	pnbeast	I'm still open so I won't actually be unlinked, yet.
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2021-05-28 22:35:12	LissajousPattern	Well this used to be a great place for Linux conversation.
2021-05-28 22:38:44	mlu	still is IMO
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2021-05-28 22:55:27	rascul	there is another server which also has some good linux conversation in a linux specific chat room
2021-05-28 22:55:34	rascul	well, sometimes it's good
2021-05-28 22:55:51	rascul	some other times, i'm there
2021-05-28 22:56:06	pnbeast	Where can we talk about cows?
2021-05-28 22:56:11	rascul	##cows
2021-05-28 22:56:55	pnbeast	You tricked me.  It's a whole channel about memory, storage and cache coherence.
2021-05-28 22:57:14	rascul	oh sorry
2021-05-28 22:57:17	rascul	try #cows
2021-05-28 22:57:27	 *	pnbeast goes to the official channel of cows.
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2021-05-28 23:28:32	LissajousPattern	rascul, which server might that be?
2021-05-28 23:29:01	pnbeast	Could it be efnet, rascul?  I think so.
2021-05-28 23:29:21	rascul	lib something
2021-05-28 23:29:54	[R]	lib32 or lib64?
2021-05-28 23:30:39	LissajousPattern	I am still trying to make heads or tails of this whole situation that has occurred.
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2021-05-28 23:35:46	ayecee	LissajousPattern: i think my reaction to it will depend more on who ends up where
2021-05-28 23:36:03	LissajousPattern	Same
2021-05-28 23:37:03	LissajousPattern	Although it is not looking good so far
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2021-05-28 23:37:28	LissajousPattern	People that I hoped would be gone from here are still here.
2021-05-28 23:38:01	LissajousPattern	People that definitely fall under the category of abusing their powers as staff.
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2021-05-29 00:09:30	rre	hi guys
2021-05-29 00:09:39	rre	how can i contribute to linux kernel
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2021-05-29 00:10:04	rre	i can program in c haskell python javascript
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2021-05-29 00:11:49	[R]	rre: make a change, and post it on the lkml
2021-05-29 00:12:00	[R]	or post it on the mailng list for the subsystem that it changes
2021-05-29 00:12:26	rascul	https://kernelnewbies.org/FirstKernelPatch
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2021-05-29 00:12:51	 *	[R] makes a change to rascul 
2021-05-29 00:12:58	 *	rascul rejects [R]
2021-05-29 00:13:04	 *	[R] force pushes to rascul 
2021-05-29 00:13:24	rascul	wow that's rude
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2021-05-29 00:17:32	mlu	rre: they have guidelines -- but first figure out the reason why you want to contribute
2021-05-29 00:17:40	mlu	ah damn, they left :(
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2021-05-29 02:36:52	swensson	Gooood morning
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2021-05-29 02:52:06	ruthwik163	hi guys how can i contribute to the linux kernel
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2021-05-29 02:52:24	ruthwik163	i found some vulnerabilities in the kernel
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2021-05-29 02:54:03	notahackerlol	:o
2021-05-29 02:54:08	notahackerlol	tell me moar pl-x
2021-05-29 02:54:29	ruthwik163	what
2021-05-29 02:54:49	notahackerlol	kernel vulns ;p
2021-05-29 02:55:12	ruthwik163	wait a sec i made a report i will open it
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2021-05-29 02:56:47	jim	ruthwik163, first step: find which kernel tree on github, or on kernel.org, you want to deal with... then make a fork
2021-05-29 02:57:01	jim	next, clone that fork
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2021-05-29 02:57:39	ruthwik163	Linux Kernel netfilter:xt_TCPMSS
2021-05-29 02:57:44	ruthwik163	drivers/infiniband/hw/cxgb3/iwch_cm.c
2021-05-29 02:57:58	jim	then work on the source as you see fit, make commits, then push. it will go back to your fork, if you've set things up properly
2021-05-29 02:58:32	jim	once you're satisfied that problems have been solved, you could issue a pull request
2021-05-29 02:58:35	jim	lather
2021-05-29 02:58:36	jim	rince
2021-05-29 02:58:38	jim	repeat
2021-05-29 02:58:55	ruthwik163	jim ok
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2021-05-29 02:59:06	ruthwik163	jim thank you
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2021-05-29 02:59:22	pnbeast	Who'd you ban, jim?  Would that have seemed really, really weird a couple of weeks ago?
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2021-05-29 02:59:41	jim	yeah...
2021-05-29 02:59:51	jim	I've banned all staff.
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2021-05-29 03:00:03	pnbeast	Okay.  Because it looks pretty weird to me, now.  Okay.  Nuff said...
2021-05-29 03:00:05	jim	reason: someone made phanes staff again
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2021-05-29 03:01:34	jim	phanes is almost certainly at least a psychopath, if not also a sociopath
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2021-05-29 03:02:54	jim	(it's very likely, that no one here wants to make contact with him; don't do it)
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2021-05-29 03:13:01	swensson	Nooooo Did we get the answer from ruthwik163  about the vuln??
2021-05-29 03:13:15	swensson	I'd love to see what he found :O
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2021-05-29 03:14:42	wigums	lol phanes is stafd
2021-05-29 03:14:47	wigums	lol phanes is staff?
2021-05-29 03:15:11	wigums	that dude is touched
2021-05-29 03:15:13	pnbeast	He's sociostaffic!
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2021-05-29 03:31:20	nodecuck	https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
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2021-05-29 03:47:40	nodecuck	https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
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2021-05-29 03:52:42	LissajousPattern	nice spam
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2021-05-29 03:59:57	jim	LissajousPattern, oh, I saw that site earlier; it's actually interesting
2021-05-29 04:01:23	jim	ok, we have spam from tor... just so you all know, tor may be next on the chopping block
2021-05-29 04:01:57	jim	I gotta take this one thing off...
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2021-05-29 04:20:05	jim	rindolf, oh, I got pissed off at staff for a minute... they made phanes staff again
2021-05-29 04:21:24	rindolf	jim: what is 'staff'?
2021-05-29 04:21:36	jim	freenode staff
2021-05-29 04:22:17	jim	can you believe they made phanes staff -again-?
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2021-05-29 04:23:02	jim	the only thing that could possibly explain it, is Lee doesn't understand the history
2021-05-29 04:23:20	rindolf	jim: ah, don't worry - be happy
2021-05-29 04:24:16	jim	yeah well... bobby mcferrin doesn't understand the history either :)
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2021-05-29 04:26:12	botnet	hi all. is LUKS encryption a good option to encrypt a hdd?
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2021-05-29 04:27:00	rindolf	jim: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/psychology/crossover-hypothesis-about-the-origin-of-consciousness/#consciousness - jehovah
2021-05-29 04:27:53	jim	sec\
2021-05-29 04:27:58	bagira	botnet, for sure it is.  i would recommend a layer at the LV as well as the block device level with LVG
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2021-05-29 04:28:12	rindolf	botnet: hi, see https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/putting-cards-on-the-table-2019-2020/putting-cards-on-the-table-2019-2020/fear-is-path-to-dark-side.xhtml
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2021-05-29 04:28:20	xioton	Where can i get Suicide Linux?
2021-05-29 04:28:37	rindolf	xioton: heh
2021-05-29 04:29:08	jim	xioton, what are you looking for inside that? or, what do you want to use the linux for?
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2021-05-29 04:29:34	botnet	bagira: do you have a link where I can read about it ?
2021-05-29 04:29:35	xioton	jim: I just wanna use it bruh
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2021-05-29 04:29:49	xioton	jim: It sounds fun
2021-05-29 04:29:53	bagira	botnet, sure; what distro are you on btw?  I'll see if I have something speccific to you
2021-05-29 04:30:00	botnet	fedora
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2021-05-29 04:30:19	bagira	botnet, https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/encrypting-drives-using-LUKS/
2021-05-29 04:30:20	wigums	jim suicide linux is like a game.. its fully functional but if you mistype a command it auto-completes it as rm -rf /
2021-05-29 04:30:38	botnet	bagira: thx a lot
2021-05-29 04:30:42	bagira	np
2021-05-29 04:30:43	botnet	that will help
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2021-05-29 04:31:43	jim	wigums, you could never do real work in one of those :)
2021-05-29 04:31:55	rindolf	wigums: ouch
2021-05-29 04:31:55	wigums	its not meant for real work
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2021-05-29 04:32:09	wigums	its more like a game
2021-05-29 04:32:32	xioton	wigums: Where can i get it bruh?
2021-05-29 04:33:24	bagira	botnet, their installer will also use dm-crypt with luks if you go into the partition screen, i use fedora for my main driver
2021-05-29 04:33:37	wigums	https://github.com/tiagoad/suicide-linux
2021-05-29 04:33:53	wigums	oh thats a docker one
2021-05-29 04:34:35	wigums	https://qntm.org/suicide
2021-05-29 04:34:42	xioton	Thanks!
2021-05-29 04:34:50	wigums	yep
2021-05-29 04:36:29	botnet	thx bagira
2021-05-29 04:36:41	rindolf	jim: i did some work on my site's nav blocks generation code
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2021-05-29 04:50:51	jim	botnet, please, could you not use sms-speak, like u, ur, thx, r, 4, y
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2021-05-29 04:53:42	rindolf	jim: i'm letting most of these slide if not ambiguous
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2021-05-29 05:00:41	jim	rindolf, I don't think he heard me
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2021-05-29 05:02:45	rindolf	jim: ok... i was talking about prescriptivism in general
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2021-05-29 05:26:53	jim	rindolf, sorry for delay... you know this channel has a very long-standing ban on sms-speak... it predates me even being in this channel
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2021-05-29 05:29:58	rindolf	jim: then this channel should change its stance: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/putting-cards-on-the-table-2019-2020/putting-cards-on-the-table-2019-2020/people-can-change.xhtml
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2021-05-29 05:49:45	jim	I still believe that one reason for the ban on sms-speak, is to help new english speakers who have enough to do learning english, without having to learn every possible abbreviation
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2021-05-29 06:24:33	triceratux	except thats nonsense
2021-05-29 06:25:02	triceratux	if you talk to the folks who learned english in their countries along with another primary language
2021-05-29 06:25:23	triceratux	it turns out they know engrish better than native speakers or murricans
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2021-05-29 06:25:48	triceratux	& if they are tech savvy enough to navigate the anglo internet all the way to irc guess what
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2021-05-29 06:26:08	triceratux	they also have no problems with sms style abbreviations & know them better than irc operators
2021-05-29 06:26:21	rindolf	triceratux++
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2021-05-29 06:26:50	triceratux	& then when they get all the way thru a conversation & want to be grateful they say thx
2021-05-29 06:27:11	triceratux	& then when they are challenged & try to defend themselves theyre ridiculed, insulted, & banned
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2021-05-29 06:28:21	rindolf	https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#how_did_you_learn_english
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2021-05-29 06:29:45	rindolf	triceratux: i agree: «One friend of mine, who is deaf from an early age, told me that he didn't learn to verbally speak very well because his mother interrupted him whenever he said something wrong, which caused him to lose confidence and become demotivated. This story has implications for speaking with people who are learning English or a different foreign language. Try not to interrupt them on every
2021-05-29 06:29:45	rindolf	 mistake they make, and let them speak with some errors, so they will gain confidence.»
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2021-05-29 06:34:33	rindolf	Good grammar nazis: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Muppets-Show-TNI/Summer-Glau-and-Chuck-Norris.html
2021-05-29 06:35:24	Nickwiz	It's not spelling errors is about, it is to keep a clear language. thx, OK. But for example: I hv t nw i7 nd wndr whr I can find op codes 4 it as m doing a paper @ school. Nope.
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2021-05-29 06:37:18	triceratux	again, most multilingual folks who get to this channel are far past the learning stage, & more keyed to the contentiousness of an arbitrary & unexpected rule being enforced with capriciousness & hostility
2021-05-29 06:37:29	FightingFalcon	Anyone familiar with nginx here? i need urgent help
2021-05-29 06:38:11	triceratux	Nickwiz: thats true also. in which case they should admit its about channel readability & not about coddling the language learners. the latter justification is disingenuous
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2021-05-29 06:39:35	oxek	FightingFalcon: urgent help will be in the #nginx channel on the other network
2021-05-29 06:39:46	FightingFalcon	no one speaks
2021-05-29 06:41:01	oxek	FightingFalcon: other network
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2021-05-29 06:41:15	FightingFalcon	yes, i know, i asked in libera
2021-05-29 06:41:53	oxek	well, try asking your question here as well then, if it's that urgent
2021-05-29 06:43:23	FightingFalcon	i add header directives but nginx do not listen
2021-05-29 06:43:23	FightingFalcon	https://ctxt.io/2/AACgfg2KEw
2021-05-29 06:43:24	bagira	FightingFalcon, there's also #nginx here if it's specialized
2021-05-29 06:44:17	oxek	bagira: the #ngnix is gone, and the people in ##nginx are not being helpful, they just direct everyone elsewhere
2021-05-29 06:44:35	FightingFalcon	i also asked here
2021-05-29 06:44:36	Doc-Saintly	I'm not saying I'm going to libera.chat , but... I'm certainly not staying here. Thank you all for your support over the years! Here comes my k-line.
2021-05-29 06:45:19	oxek	Doc-Saintly: you're not gonna get K-Lined for that, but statements like that are better suited for ##linux-offtopic or some other place
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2021-05-29 06:45:49	bagira	FightingFalcon, check the syntax for your location argument
2021-05-29 06:46:00	Doc-Saintly	Ah, too bad. Now I need to manually leave. And sorry for off topic. Have a good one all!
2021-05-29 06:46:13	FightingFalcon	i did. whats wrong?
2021-05-29 06:46:24	bagira	it looks right to me but im no nginx expert
2021-05-29 06:46:28	bagira	might be something further up your file
2021-05-29 06:46:39	bagira	check logs during conf loading maybe
2021-05-29 06:46:53	rindolf	Nickwiz: jumping the gun on people using "tnx" is not constructive. asking people to clarify incoherent utterances is
2021-05-29 06:47:05	Nickwiz	FightingFalcon: No idea. This one uses a different approach though: https://www.keycdn.com/support/cache-control#nginx
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2021-05-29 06:47:25	oxek	FightingFalcon: are you editing the right file? Did you reload nginx or verify that other changes you make to the file start working?
2021-05-29 06:47:37	FightingFalcon	oxek, yes of course i do.
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2021-05-29 06:55:08	kurahaupo	Nickwiz: was that intended as an example of why not to use excessive abbreviations? I'm a native speaker and it's like 20× slower for me to read a sentence like that - and if I'm not concentrating it really does seem like a pile of gibberish
2021-05-29 06:55:27	kurahaupo	Nickwiz: was that intended as an example of why not to use excessive abbreviations? I'm a native speaker and it's like 20× slower for me to read a sentence like that - and if I'm not concentrating it really does seem like a pile of gibberish
2021-05-29 06:58:30	rindolf	kurahaupo: there is a difference between excessive and mild
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2021-05-29 07:02:13	Intruder777	if I want to see values from lm_sensors remotely - what tools do I need to use?
2021-05-29 07:02:17	kurahaupo	rindolf: True, but I suspect many people's idea of "excessive" would be far more generous than mine. I'm in favour of a rule that's intended to prevent stuff that slows down readers, especially native speakers
2021-05-29 07:03:03	Nickwiz	kurahaupo: Yes. It takes training, lol. If one are used to it l8r is as easy to read as later. This is obviously not the forum for it.
2021-05-29 07:04:04	oxek	by the way ##Linux-offtopic exists for these discussions
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2021-05-29 07:04:26	kurahaupo	If you want to revisit the outright ban on SMS-style abbreviations, I would suggest a limit of no more than one per line
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2021-05-29 07:05:40	triceratux	sms policy: 1 per line. thx
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2021-05-29 07:05:50	triceratux	that makes sense actually :)
2021-05-29 07:05:51	oxek	if you want to provide good arguments for channel rule changes, there's ##linux-ops for that
2021-05-29 07:06:08	Nickwiz	Such rules are hard, as with foul language etc. It can go bad really fast. As for SMS-style I guess typoglycemia is a factor.
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2021-05-29 07:07:08	Nickwiz	OK. Back to coding :P
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2021-05-29 07:08:40	rindolf	Intruder777: ssh?
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2021-05-29 07:09:28	rindolf	Intruder777: there are ansible/etc too
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2021-05-29 07:10:05	triceratux	but yeah they should take their sms rule with them & do away with it here
2021-05-29 07:10:38	Intruder777	rindolf: nope, like run some program which connects to host and gets sensors values visually. I want to use it also from windows machine. Should it be SNMP protocol?
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2021-05-29 07:11:39	rindolf	Intruder777: windows has ssh / https  etc. clients
2021-05-29 07:12:10	Nickwiz	Monitorix and the like if you are after monitoring status one a lot of load parameters.
2021-05-29 07:12:29	Intruder777	rindolf: I need something with graphic interface
2021-05-29 07:13:31	rindolf	Intruder777: then use libcurl or similar
2021-05-29 07:13:56	rindolf	pyside is nice
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2021-05-29 07:16:28	Intruder777	rindolf: pyside, libcurl - do you mean like to develop my own visual tool? I'm looking for something existing which doesn't require development, only configuration
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2021-05-29 07:17:00	Nickwiz	https://www.monitorix.org/imgs/lmsens.png
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2021-05-29 07:17:57	Intruder777	Nickwiz: thanks, so it starts a web server on a target machine, right?
2021-05-29 07:18:15	rindolf	Intruder777: '“If I am not to myself, who will be? And if I am only to myself, who am I? And if not now - when?” -- Hillel': http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Self-Sufficiency/
2021-05-29 07:18:38	Nickwiz	Intruder777: Yes. It is bundled with it's own server, but one can also run it under Apache etc.
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2021-05-29 07:20:57	Nickwiz	If you are only after lm_sensors data, it might feel like a bit overkill though.
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2021-05-29 07:21:10	Nickwiz	One can of course turn off all other stats.
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2021-05-29 07:24:09	Intruder777	Nickwiz: well, the other thing bothers me. I don't really want to start any http servers... Maybe there is some kind of snmp agent which can send lm_sensors values? and then some crossplatform graphical tool on the other side which gathers data from snmp agent
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2021-05-29 07:26:04	rindolf	Intruder777: "the lazy man works twice as hard"
2021-05-29 07:27:15	Intruder777	rindolf: "don't work hard, work smart"
2021-05-29 07:27:34	Lutin	Intruder777 you lazy bastard :P
2021-05-29 07:28:38	Intruder777	Lutin: I just don't think it's a good idea to start developing my own light monitoring tool. There must be tons of it, so some of them should definitely fit
2021-05-29 07:29:17	Lutin	Intruder777 there are nice ones but it's not hard to create a better one out of what is there
2021-05-29 07:29:19	Lutin	FORK!
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2021-05-29 07:36:12	triceratux	rindolf: they cant change the rules over here because the libera topic says Rules at https://freenode.linux.community/channel-rules/
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2021-05-29 07:37:06	rindolf	triceratux: so?
2021-05-29 07:37:10	triceratux	so they will forever be the freenode rules
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2021-05-29 07:38:20	rindolf	triceratux: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/guidelines_as_dogma.xhtml
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2021-05-29 07:39:35	triceratux	as long as the rule exists it is prone to be abused </libertarian>
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2021-05-29 07:41:50	triceratux	it puts the ops in an impossible position. i dont want them to look dumb
2021-05-29 07:44:30	wigums	great now there are two people who only paste links all day
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2021-05-29 07:47:09	operational	?
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2021-05-29 08:00:21	Abrax	i wonder if a bunch of projects will come back when they realize libera will be less than free
2021-05-29 08:00:26	Abrax	bent on thought policing
2021-05-29 08:00:52	oxek	Abrax: take it to -offtopic
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2021-05-29 08:11:51	operational	Abrax:  ?
2021-05-29 08:11:52	operational	oh
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2021-05-29 08:26:02	Lutin	People here doing still non wildcard certificates ? Both have advantages when a key gets eposed
2021-05-29 08:26:05	Lutin	exposed
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2021-05-29 08:31:55	oxek	Lutin: if your keys get exposed, you already have bigger problems
2021-05-29 08:32:16	Lutin	oxek depens, but beter one then for all systems in such cases
2021-05-29 08:32:21	Lutin	*better
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2021-05-29 08:33:07	rascul	my certs are all completely automated and not wildcard
2021-05-29 08:33:09	Lutin	oxek renewing them all is bigger problems when it happens, so with a wildcard
2021-05-29 08:33:22	oxek	it would still require the attacked to be in a mitm position to successfully extract data from users using that stolen cert. At which point you have even bigger problems.
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2021-05-29 08:33:35	oxek	*attacker
2021-05-29 08:33:46	Lutin	rascul sure, mine as well but how automated ? I assume you use certbot and a shared volume for your certs... then... it doesn't matter what you use if one get exposed
2021-05-29 08:35:12	Lutin	oxek bigger problem ? You have leased lines to every carrier with BGP so no mitm anymore ? There is always a man in the middle, it's only secure as long as your data is encrypted
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2021-05-29 08:35:52	oxek	Lutin: difference is that one is mitm by necessity, and one is mitm with the active intention of attacking you
2021-05-29 08:36:18	Lutin	how do you mean ?
2021-05-29 08:36:25	Lutin	mitm = mitm
2021-05-29 08:37:09	rascul	Lutin i use certbot but not directly, i have scripts that literally do everything for me without my interaction
2021-05-29 08:37:13	operational	isn't wildcard cheaper overall if you need a lot of certificates?
2021-05-29 08:37:13	rascul	not sure what you mean by shared volume
2021-05-29 08:37:47	Lutin	rascul I do as well but we were talking about how you put your certs in place because I'm prety sure you don't transfer them
2021-05-29 08:37:50	Lutin	*pretty
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2021-05-29 08:38:03	rascul	certbot puts them in place
2021-05-29 08:38:06	oxek	operational: they are all free
2021-05-29 08:38:08	operational	wait.. if you have the private key of the cert, you can capture and decrypt data? are you sure that's possible? there isn't some kind of per-session encryption?
2021-05-29 08:38:14	Lutin	rascul how ?
2021-05-29 08:38:25	rascul	have you never used certbot before?
2021-05-29 08:38:37	rascul	i'm not going to explain how it works
2021-05-29 08:39:01	operational	"SSL/TLS doesn't use public/private keys to encrypt data. The asymmetric keys are used during handshake, and there's a session key generated during handshake. That key is then used for data encryption. "
2021-05-29 08:39:04	operational	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21199201/wireshark-decrypting-tls-with-private-key
2021-05-29 08:39:05	rascul	maybe i'm not understanding what you're trying to ask me
2021-05-29 08:39:06	Lutin	rascul I think you can't eplain because certbot itself can't put them in place, it just puts them in /etc/letsencrypt/live
2021-05-29 08:39:13	rascul	yes, that's the place they go
2021-05-29 08:39:18	rascul	what more do you want?
2021-05-29 08:39:32	Lutin	rascul ok, so then your seperate cert don't have any meaning at all
2021-05-29 08:39:37	rascul	what do you mean?
2021-05-29 08:39:38	Lutin	*separate
2021-05-29 08:39:52	rascul	i only ever have one cert in /etc/letsencrypt/live
2021-05-29 08:39:57	Lutin	rascul why do I need to explain, you already know how it worked didn't you ?
2021-05-29 08:40:12	Lutin	rascul so a wildcard, not seperate ones
2021-05-29 08:40:19	rascul	no, it's not a wildcard
2021-05-29 08:40:32	Lutin	then it's not one, or you only have one hostname you use
2021-05-29 08:40:33	rascul	i have right now almost 100 systems each with their own single individual cert
2021-05-29 08:40:48	Lutin	LOL, are you serious ?
2021-05-29 08:40:50	rascul	yes
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2021-05-29 08:41:10	Lutin	sounds without design ;)
2021-05-29 08:41:12	rascul	wildcard would make it cumbersome for me to add and remove names from it every time another system goes up or down
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2021-05-29 08:41:21	rascul	wait that's not right
2021-05-29 08:41:29	rascul	i was thinking of a multi name cert heh
2021-05-29 08:41:30	Lutin	no indeed not at all
2021-05-29 08:41:39	rascul	wildcard would be silly anyway
2021-05-29 08:41:45	rascul	i don't want to share the same cert over so many places
2021-05-29 08:42:10	Lutin	no indeed that is my case as well but when you share them over a shared volume it doesn't matter
2021-05-29 08:42:19	rascul	i don't share them over a shared volume
2021-05-29 08:42:24	rascul	not sure where you got that idea
2021-05-29 08:42:47	Lutin	no but most people do, in some way it doesn't matter as well because then your network is compromized it's compromized
2021-05-29 08:43:05	Lutin	rascul because certbot doesn't automate placing
2021-05-29 08:43:10	rascul	so?
2021-05-29 08:43:16	rascul	maybe try not to assume what most people do
2021-05-29 08:43:18	Lutin	so your story doesn't end up
2021-05-29 08:43:21	rascul	you're probably going to be wrong every time
2021-05-29 08:43:33	Lutin	hehe, you were wrong to start with
2021-05-29 08:43:37	Lutin	you even admit it
2021-05-29 08:43:38	rascul	about what?
2021-05-29 08:43:40	Lutin	so
2021-05-29 08:43:46	rascul	i made an incorrect statement and corrected it
2021-05-29 08:43:47	Lutin	...
2021-05-29 08:43:58	rascul	it wasn't the premise for everything i said
2021-05-29 08:44:01	rascul	it was one statement
2021-05-29 08:44:04	Lutin	wow, but the whole conversation you were wrong, you didn't correct that
2021-05-29 08:44:13	Lutin	so you have 100 certbots running you say ?
2021-05-29 08:44:26	rascul	that's wrong?
2021-05-29 08:44:34	Lutin	that's indeed a waste
2021-05-29 08:44:36	rascul	they only run every so often, because cron and timers
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2021-05-29 08:44:55	rascul	how is it a waste?
2021-05-29 08:45:08	rascul	because instead i could have one wildcard that i have to share among a bunch of unrelated systems?
2021-05-29 08:45:29	rascul	which would be much harder logistically, harder to secure, and offers no benefit over what i'm doing now
2021-05-29 08:45:58	Lutin	also... you talk about a wildcard, you don't want to share it among all kinds of systems. This means you have all your hostnames in one domain ?
2021-05-29 08:46:09	rascul	sure
2021-05-29 08:46:11	Lutin	*al our hosts
2021-05-29 08:46:16	Lutin	lol seriously ?
2021-05-29 08:46:30	rascul	i have multipel domains with lots of hostnames
2021-05-29 08:46:36	rascul	all the names for one domain are in one domain
2021-05-29 08:46:51	Lutin	ok, your design sucks it seems because you should never do that
2021-05-29 08:46:56	rascul	what?
2021-05-29 08:47:04	Lutin	apple
2021-05-29 08:47:06	rascul	you're not making much sense
2021-05-29 08:47:17	Lutin	I do, you don't :)
2021-05-29 08:47:31	Lutin	anyways, keep running all those bots and maybe you stay fine :)
2021-05-29 08:48:03	rascul	you think i serve 100 names from the same system or something?
2021-05-29 08:48:11	rascul	from the same apache instance?
2021-05-29 08:49:55	 *	rascul notes that because of dns, subdomains are always going to be "inside" a domain
2021-05-29 08:50:18	 *	rascul also notes that the name has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on anything but an ip address
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2021-05-29 09:53:56	whatsName	how to side bar weechat?
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2021-05-29 09:54:02	cryptopsy	is there a terminal emulator that will allow me to type and see commands as output is being generated from the previous commmand?
2021-05-29 09:54:16	cryptopsy	are there dropdown terminal emulators other than yakuake,gkuake,tilda ?
2021-05-29 09:54:27	whatsName	im use termux
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2021-05-29 09:56:45	cryptopsy	is that even relevant ?
2021-05-29 09:57:53	LtL	whatsName: everything you could possibly want to know is here. https://weechat.org/
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2021-05-29 09:59:24	LtL	whatsName: then again, what you mean by 'side bar.' i don't know
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2021-05-29 09:59:52	whatsName	hide bar
2021-05-29 10:00:24	LtL	same answer
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2021-05-29 10:00:56	whatsName	how to hide bars in weechat termux?
2021-05-29 10:01:07	whatsName	bars info date
2021-05-29 10:01:09	whatsName	a
2021-05-29 10:01:14	whatsName	and info member
2021-05-29 10:01:20	whatsName	i m newbie
2021-05-29 10:01:46	rascul	i might be beneficial to take a screenshot and circle the things you want to remove
2021-05-29 10:01:52	whatsName	and I don't speak english
2021-05-29 10:02:10	whatsName	how to send pict?
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2021-05-29 10:02:51	rascul	some image sharing site should suffice, i'm not much familiar with that area
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2021-05-29 10:44:21	IIIFE	I got a question for anyone who uses FVWM or any similar window manager. There's 3 different ways apparently to terminate a window: Close, Delete, And Destroy. What's not very clear is the difference between them and how xorg handles window termination. What's the difference between close, delete, and destroy?
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2021-05-29 10:47:19	Nickwiz	whatsName: Just enter /bar toggle <TAB> ...
2021-05-29 10:47:42	Nickwiz	Or for example: /bar hide nicklist
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2021-05-29 10:55:52	akk	IIIFE: I'm not sure it's quite that standard, but I would say that close is probably the application's graceful close-window-and-exit, delete is the X windowmanager delete message (the x in the corner of the titlebar), and destroy is X killing the window unilaterally, like xkill.
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2021-05-29 11:06:16	ramzy	binary= machine code
2021-05-29 11:06:17	ramzy	??
2021-05-29 11:06:43	ayecee	use more words
2021-05-29 11:07:21	rascul	is that an assignment?
2021-05-29 11:07:41	rascul	comparisons in many languages use == instead of = so some clarification might be in order
2021-05-29 11:09:05	ayecee	the terms are sometimes used interchangeably but they are not technically the same.
2021-05-29 11:10:37	rascul	machine code can use binary representation or something
2021-05-29 11:10:44	rascul	binary numbers aren't inherently machine code, though
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2021-05-29 11:12:19	Nickwiz	Everything is binary.
2021-05-29 11:12:30	ayecee	no no, everything is decimal
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2021-05-29 11:13:12	rascul	binary coded decimal?
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2021-05-29 11:13:29	ayecee	emoji coded decimal
2021-05-29 11:13:53	ayecee	eh. come back to me, i can do better.
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2021-05-29 11:14:25	solidsec	Hi, which function from systemd is responsible for maintaining the internet connection ?
2021-05-29 11:14:36	ayecee	solidsec: how do you mean
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2021-05-29 11:14:47	solidsec	systemd-networkd.service
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2021-05-29 11:15:11	ayecee	yes?
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2021-05-29 11:15:53	solidsec	I modified the values a little, but I probably added parameters somewhat too much and I disconnect the internet in idle to such an extent that I have to restart the system
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2021-05-29 11:16:27	ayecee	getting closer to the actual problem one little step at a time
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2021-05-29 11:23:42	Aryan	hi, I've set my default filemanager, but chrome still opens the download directory with gnome file manager
2021-05-29 11:23:48	Aryan	any ideas?
2021-05-29 11:24:06	ayecee	have you tried turning it off and on again
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2021-05-29 11:25:19	Aryan	ayecee, yea
2021-05-29 11:25:39	ayecee	okay then i got nothing
2021-05-29 11:25:47	Aryan	`xdg-open ./` opens with sunflower filemanager.
2021-05-29 11:25:49	Aryan	ayecee, thx
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2021-05-29 11:29:10	ZenixOwler	has anyone here ever dealt with the dtrace utility ? i need some helps pls, it seems like people in #networking and #programming aren't up to it yet
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2021-05-29 11:30:12	coolvibe	Linux doesn't have dtrace
2021-05-29 11:30:24	ZenixOwler	but it still seems like a tool on it
2021-05-29 11:30:29	ZenixOwler	i can install it through apt-get
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2021-05-29 11:31:16	coolvibe	I know dtrace from FreeBSD and Solaris, it's probably not the same dtrace I encountered
2021-05-29 11:31:42	ayecee	my apt-get doesn't have dtrace
2021-05-29 11:32:03	coolvibe	Similar to system tap and bpftrace
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2021-05-29 11:32:48	ZenixOwler	ayecee: of course it doesn't
2021-05-29 11:32:52	ZenixOwler	but it comes along with the systemtap-sdt-dev package
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2021-05-29 11:33:03	coolvibe	It's a wrapper?
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2021-05-29 11:34:35	ZenixOwler	no idea, but stackoverflow kinda gave me it :P
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2021-05-29 11:36:24	triceratux	dtrace in that deb is python3 from redhat
2021-05-29 11:36:59	ZenixOwler	huh, i was thinking of the similar package on Solaris
2021-05-29 11:37:16	ZenixOwler	macOS or FreeBSD
2021-05-29 11:37:23	ZenixOwler	hopefully there is a clone for linux
2021-05-29 11:38:33	coolvibe	It's probably not the same. Dtrace is quite a deeply integrated beast on Solaris and FreeBSD
2021-05-29 11:38:59	ZenixOwler	well, still have that Vvirtualbox option left, where i can try it through with Solaris
2021-05-29 11:39:07	ZenixOwler	hopefully Solaris is free :P
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2021-05-29 11:45:00	coolvibe	Try OpenIndiana
2021-05-29 11:45:07	coolvibe	It is free
2021-05-29 11:45:20	coolvibe	Or FreeBSD, also free
2021-05-29 11:45:34	coolvibe	Both have actual dtrace
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2021-05-29 11:47:53	Research	Is there a way to check which version of glibc a *.so library was compiled with?
2021-05-29 11:48:02	Research	/for
2021-05-29 11:48:38	coolvibe	man ldd
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2021-05-29 11:49:25	coolvibe	Also works on binaries
2021-05-29 11:50:09	coolvibe	If you want to know the actual version, you might get a clue through objdump
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2021-05-29 11:51:45	amcsi	hey
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2021-05-29 11:52:47	amcsi	is Diffie-Hellman necessary for a symmetric key exchange? Couldn't just one party come up with a synchronous encryption/decryption key, then send it to the other party encrypted with their public key?
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2021-05-29 11:55:04	coolvibe	Well why not use gpg then? I think that does exactly what you want
2021-05-29 11:55:08	DuClare	amcsi: Sure they can
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2021-05-29 11:55:38	coolvibe	Or is this about shared secrets?
2021-05-29 11:56:15	amcsi	do I understand right then that the benefit of Diffie-Hellman is that you no one has to come up with a new key, they can just derive one based one the two parties' asymmetric keys?
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2021-05-29 11:57:16	rascul	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange#Description
2021-05-29 11:57:30	DuClare	amcsi: No, dh is used to create new keys
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2021-05-29 11:58:31	amcsi	DuClare, well yeah, but it's a new key that's predicably derived from the parties' asymmetric keys, as opposed to be a symmetric key that was generated randomly, right?
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2021-05-29 11:59:46	DuClare	No it has nothing to do with asymmetric keys
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2021-05-29 12:01:11	coolvibe	He said symmetric
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2021-05-29 12:01:29	DuClare	DH keys are *not* derived from some existing asymmetric keys
2021-05-29 12:01:35	DuClare	They are generated.
2021-05-29 12:01:38	DuClare	Random.
2021-05-29 12:01:57	amcsi	DuClare, you sure? this is the main image of the wikipedia article for Diffie-Hellman: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4c/Public_key_shared_secret.svg
2021-05-29 12:02:13	amcsi	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffie%E2%80%93Hellman_key_exchange
2021-05-29 12:02:45	rascul	that image doesn't say that the new key is derived from the existing keypairs
2021-05-29 12:02:52	rascul	read the description it walks through the process
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2021-05-29 12:05:16	amcsi	I see, thanks, I'll have a read later... but then why is Diffie-Hellman used then? If this could be just simplified to one of the parties just generating a random symmetric key, then sending it to the other party with plain asymmetric encryption, without any Diffie-Hellman
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2021-05-29 12:06:29	rascul	because it can be done quick and automatic and without external mechanisms
2021-05-29 12:06:43	rascul	do you want apache working your email every time it needs a new session key?
2021-05-29 12:07:44	rascul	wait i don't know if i answered that properly, i'll read it again
2021-05-29 12:08:14	rascul	yes i think my answer was correct but my example might be a bit off
2021-05-29 12:08:25	amcsi	I don't understand what external mechanisms there are, but I'll accept your short explanation that it's quicker. Thanks, rascul
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2021-05-29 12:10:34	rascul	take for example a tls session, the web server doesn't have any public key for the client, and session keys can potentially be generated with a high frequency, so apache in this case would need some other mechanism to securely communicate with the client to transfer session key
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2021-05-29 12:13:07	rascul	i mentioned email because in a past life i worked in a place where keys were very commonly exchanged manually via email
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2021-05-29 12:13:22	rascul	such a mechanism would not work for tls
2021-05-29 12:13:30	djph	having to eamil for a tls session key would suck
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2021-05-29 12:14:17	DuClare	I mean I think amcsi was asking why couldn't the client just generate a session key and send it encrypted to the server
2021-05-29 12:14:20	DuClare	And I think they could
2021-05-29 12:14:36	DuClare	(They have the server's public key)
2021-05-29 12:15:16	rascul	is there an established mechanism for that?
2021-05-29 12:16:18	DuClare	Yes
2021-05-29 12:16:25	DuClare	In fact tls supports it
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2021-05-29 12:16:37	DuClare	But DH adds additional protection in case the server's private key gets compromised
2021-05-29 12:19:01	DuClare	I.e. the attacker would also need to figure out the shared secret -- means either compromising the client or the server (or the crypto itsefl)
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2021-05-29 12:24:39	amcsi	DuClare, I don't quite understand the protection in case the private key gets compromised. You mean if messages have been exchanged between a server and a client after the DH key change AND the compromising of a private key? But a plain async-encrypted session key should be equally protected against that I would think
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2021-05-29 12:25:15	amcsi	or if you are talking about communications _after_ the compromise of a private key... well then I would think the other party is screwed no matter what
2021-05-29 12:25:20	sudomann	I cannot decide in which dire
2021-05-29 12:25:45	sudomann	direction to argue for my answer here. Seeking inputs from software devs please:
2021-05-29 12:25:47	sudomann	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/843bf01df1678e34c021619f63a5c74a/pasted.txt
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2021-05-29 12:26:29	sudomann	err I suppose its short enough to go here
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2021-05-29 12:26:52	sudomann	Imagine that a product team has built a new and fairly complicated feature. It has gone through our testing process and, while it doesn't pose a great stability issue, testing has revealed a few edge cases and other minor issues. The product manager for the feature insists the feature be shipped today, despite these issues as she promised it to a
2021-05-29 12:26:52	sudomann	user.
2021-05-29 12:26:53	sudomann	Would you let her ship the feature? How would you explain and justify your decision to her?
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2021-05-29 12:28:45	DuClare	amcsi: I'm client.  I generate random session key, encrypt it with server's pubkey.  Attacker captures traffic, learns servers pubkey.  Now they can decrypt my session key and everything I encrypted with it.
2021-05-29 12:28:57	DuClare	amcsi: Learn's server's private key*
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2021-05-29 12:29:27	DuClare	amcsi: If I had used DH instead of just sending an encrypted key, then the attacker would also have to compromise the shared secret
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2021-05-29 12:31:09	DuClare	amcsi: The shared secret is never sent over the wire so a passive observer cannot figure it out, even if they could see the key exchange
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2021-05-29 13:21:10	coolvibe	How can you decrypt something with a pubkey?
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2021-05-29 13:23:22	pnbeast	coolvibe, if it's normally encrypted and that's all you have, then you will have to break the encryption, that's how.
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2021-05-29 13:27:06	IIIFE	What's a good WM that has built in support for desktop icons and good support for EWMH? I don't like how icewm has no built in desktop icons.
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2021-05-29 13:45:39	kurahaupo	coolvibe: encrypt it with the private key beforehand?
2021-05-29 13:45:54	MrFlibble	my personal take on it all: https://twitter.com/linuxshitpost/status/1398691632934010881
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2021-05-29 13:46:50	jim	what's a ital?
2021-05-29 13:47:42	[R]	IIIFE: gnome has an extensino for desktop icons
2021-05-29 13:49:14	jim	MrFlibble, what do you think makes you a good fit for this channel?
2021-05-29 13:49:32	MrFlibble	jim: you can't handle the truth.
2021-05-29 13:49:49	jim	it's clearly trolling
2021-05-29 13:49:52	MrFlibble	jim: also, aren't you fucking off to libera.chat?
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2021-05-29 13:51:26	Nickwiz	lol, a typical. "Oh, I do not like that, so I have to invest a lot of my time in bashing it instead of doing something constructive with my time."
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2021-05-29 13:53:16	Noir	It's very odd
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2021-05-29 13:56:56	Nickwiz	Well. Guess he is entertained by it. I'm not one to judge. (One that should not).
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2021-05-29 13:57:32	Nickwiz	But something in the neighbourhood of: "if you participate in the game, you must endure the line"
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2021-05-29 14:03:24	COVID-1984	rindolf: was it you who was helping me with the UPS stuff via upsd / upsmon?
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2021-05-29 14:03:48	COVID-1984	forgot :P
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2021-05-29 14:04:20	brutamontes	Is there any tool to dump all url links of a domain into a text file?~
2021-05-29 14:04:37	COVID-1984	is this channel archived?
2021-05-29 14:05:03	DuClare	What do you mean by all url links of a domain?
2021-05-29 14:06:41	triceratux	COVID-1984: sure if youve archived it :)
2021-05-29 14:07:01	COVID-1984	pretty sure ive been connected the whole time but not finding it in search history
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2021-05-29 14:07:33	COVID-1984	I realized if the UPS powers off the computer gracefully, then the BIOS will not turn it on when it detects power... Because it was a graceful shutdown
2021-05-29 14:07:41	COVID-1984	I was hoping it would always turn on when it detected power
2021-05-29 14:07:44	rindolf	COVID-1984: hi
2021-05-29 14:07:55	COVID-1984	So maybe I have to figure out wake on LAN in addition
2021-05-29 14:07:57	COVID-1984	hi :)
2021-05-29 14:08:31	rindolf	brutamontes: an html parser
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2021-05-29 14:09:10	rindolf	COVID-1984: i think it wasn't i
2021-05-29 14:09:37	COVID-1984	ya sorry
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2021-05-29 14:19:41	Research	Is there a way to make my GPU visible for a docker container without directly running the docker run command myself?
2021-05-29 14:19:49	Research	Like an environment variable or something?
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2021-05-29 14:20:15	Research	drivers seem to work fine I just get the no cuda devices being available error
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2021-05-29 14:20:37	oxek	x11docker might make it easier
2021-05-29 14:21:33	Research	hmm
2021-05-29 14:21:59	Research	not sure if I can use that since the API I'm using calls regular docker
2021-05-29 14:22:00	rascul	Research a quick search shows something about a nvidia container runtime
2021-05-29 14:22:12	Research	I have the nvidia-container-toolkit installed
2021-05-29 14:22:32	Research	which seemed to have fixed drivers not being available in the container
2021-05-29 14:22:36	rascul	https://github.com/NVIDIA/nvidia-container-runtime
2021-05-29 14:24:07	Research	ah I think I have everything except for that package
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2021-05-29 14:24:29	rascul	it seems like you might need it
2021-05-29 14:24:33	Research	I'm building a new image atm, I'll try installing that and checking if that's enough to fix it
2021-05-29 14:24:36	rascul	but i don't really know
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2021-05-29 14:24:49	Research	the description sounds promising
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2021-05-29 14:25:06	Research	it needs the container-toolkit as a dependency which I already have
2021-05-29 14:25:24	Research	no idea why these nvidia utils are split into 4+ packages with almost the same names
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2021-05-29 14:32:21	kilitary	reserch: you should figure this out even through curl -v https://nvidia.org
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2021-05-29 14:35:36	powerman2206	Anyhow, time to compile pure machine code helloworld
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2021-05-29 14:58:05	kilitary	no
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2021-05-29 15:01:54	gigasu_shida	which tool do ppl use to monitor ram?
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2021-05-29 15:02:31	kilitary	shutup here
2021-05-29 15:02:36	kilitary	freenode is mounted
2021-05-29 15:02:48	kilitary	join #freebsd if u want to be a god or fly like a b ir d
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2021-05-29 15:03:25	[R]	gigasu_shida: what do you mean "monitor"
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2021-05-29 15:05:58	odop	Does anyone know how to configure bind/ a nameserver to allow dig +topdown queries on an offline machine with bind running on 127.0.0.1?
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2021-05-29 15:06:20	[R]	if its offline...
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2021-05-29 15:08:36	gigasu_shida	i found "System Monitor" in mint. it is what i wanted. it helps me monitor cpu and ram usage
2021-05-29 15:09:12	kurahaupo	odop: what exactly does +topdown do? is that like +trace? or +recurse?
2021-05-29 15:09:26	odop	yes
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2021-05-29 15:09:36	kurahaupo	which?
2021-05-29 15:09:36	odop	It starts from a.root-servers.net
2021-05-29 15:09:45	odop	i.e. top down with root server first
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2021-05-29 15:09:50	odop	instead of a local nameserver
2021-05-29 15:10:01	kurahaupo	so like +trace
2021-05-29 15:10:11	kurahaupo	why did that option get renamed?
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2021-05-29 15:10:35	kurahaupo	Or is it different in some detail?
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2021-05-29 15:14:53	elios	[R]: top
2021-05-29 15:15:13	[R]	elios: ?
2021-05-29 15:15:15	[R]	bottom?
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2021-05-29 15:15:50	elios	gigasu_shida: top
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2021-05-29 15:16:31	gigasu_shida	is there a way other than going to virtual console and using top to kill a process?
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2021-05-29 15:16:46	[R]	gigasu_shida: use the kill command...
2021-05-29 15:16:47	elios	like pkill?
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2021-05-29 15:17:11	gigasu_shida	well 'kill' requires first using top and first going to virtual console, doesn't it?
2021-05-29 15:17:19	elios	or use htop, so you can monitor and kill processes
2021-05-29 15:17:37	[R]	gigasu_shida: youcan run top and kill form any shell prompt...
2021-05-29 15:17:52	gigasu_shida	but if my system is frozen i have to open a virtual console right?
2021-05-29 15:18:22	[R]	well if you can't open a new shell prompt, then yes... you have to switch to somethign that isn't frozen
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2021-05-29 15:21:28	gigasu_shida	and what do you do if after you type "kill xxxx", your VC freezes up?
2021-05-29 15:21:40	[R]	cry?
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2021-05-29 15:21:47	gigasu_shida	and after that?
2021-05-29 15:21:54	gigasu_shida	just turn off the PC?
2021-05-29 15:21:59	gigasu_shida	is that the only option left
2021-05-29 15:22:00	[R]	well you can let it sit there...
2021-05-29 15:22:01	triceratux	try another vc
2021-05-29 15:22:01	LissajousPattern	Bite a pillow
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2021-05-29 15:22:08	gigasu_shida	i see
2021-05-29 15:22:09	elios	if you know the name of the process use pkill
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2021-05-29 15:22:19	gigasu_shida	can i say "pkill vivaldi"?
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2021-05-29 15:22:42	gigasu_shida	oh that might kill all the vivaldi processes at once
2021-05-29 15:22:45	elios	if there is a process with that name then yes
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2021-05-29 15:22:48	gigasu_shida	which may be better than what i'm doing now
2021-05-29 15:23:03	gigasu_shida	because i noticed vivaldi has several processes associated with it and i kill one but others remain
2021-05-29 15:23:08	triceratux	pkill -f vivaldi will get even more of them
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2021-05-29 15:23:25	gigasu_shida	thanks
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2021-05-29 15:24:49	gigasu_shida	tutorials i've seen haven't mentioned the '-f' option of pkill
2021-05-29 15:24:58	triceratux	gigasu_shida: hate it when vivaldi has to be pkilled. what distro is this ?
2021-05-29 15:25:36	elios	use the manual, gigasu_shida
2021-05-29 15:26:22	gigasu_shida	i don't know triceratux i can't even figure it out
2021-05-29 15:26:36	gigasu_shida	i don't really like vivaldi but i have to use it
2021-05-29 15:26:47	[R]	have?
2021-05-29 15:26:48	[R]	lol
2021-05-29 15:26:50	me-sudoer-dentne	gigasu_shida: type the command in the terminal : `man pkill`
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2021-05-29 15:27:34	gigasu_shida	triceratux: oh this is the distro: 3.4.2066.106 (Stable channel) (64-bit)
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2021-05-29 15:27:43	me-sudoer-dentne	gigasu_shida: what do you mean you have to use vivaldi
2021-05-29 15:27:52	me-sudoer-dentne	why cant you install a new browser
2021-05-29 15:27:57	gigasu_shida	because Brave crapped out for printing out shipping labels from amazon
2021-05-29 15:28:05	[R]	ROFL
2021-05-29 15:28:06	gigasu_shida	i liked Brave a lot more than Vivaldi
2021-05-29 15:28:14	[R]	and thats the only 2 options in the world?
2021-05-29 15:28:19	me-sudoer-dentne	lol
2021-05-29 15:28:22	gigasu_shida	somehow Brave's features stopped me from printing out labels in amazon
2021-05-29 15:28:28	me-sudoer-dentne	use firefox
2021-05-29 15:28:35	me-sudoer-dentne	if thats the problem
2021-05-29 15:28:36	gigasu_shida	it has so many privacy features that it doesn't behave nicely with some stuff
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2021-05-29 15:28:44	me-sudoer-dentne	easy and reliable
2021-05-29 15:28:44	gigasu_shida	firefox is slow isn't it?
2021-05-29 15:28:47	[R]	lol
2021-05-29 15:28:57	me-sudoer-dentne	gigasu_shida: no
2021-05-29 15:29:03	gigasu_shida	i just remember firefox crashing on me so much in the past
2021-05-29 15:29:05	LissajousPattern	Slower than what?
2021-05-29 15:29:06	gigasu_shida	well, this was years ago
2021-05-29 15:29:08	Kel	There's a PDF printing KI in Chromium-Edge as well, may be related. I've got my clients on Firefox has a stop-gap while we wait for a patch.
2021-05-29 15:29:17	me-sudoer-dentne	the opposite actually
2021-05-29 15:29:36	gigasu_shida	Brave used to work well for printing out amazon labels but one day it quit working
2021-05-29 15:29:39	me-sudoer-dentne	gigasu_shida: well firefox never crashed on me
2021-05-29 15:29:48	gigasu_shida	ok i should try firefox again then
2021-05-29 15:29:53	me-sudoer-dentne	just tell which distro is it?
2021-05-29 15:30:06	me-sudoer-dentne	gigasu_shida: is that a question?
2021-05-29 15:30:32	Kel	though to be fair, I have not tested on a Linux desktop. My clients are of course on W10, but I suppose it could be transient and a browser issue, not browser+os specific?
2021-05-29 15:30:32	gigasu_shida	me-sudoer-dentne: Version 1.5.123 Chromium: 80.0.3987.163 (Official Build) (64-bit) (this is the Brave version i have)
2021-05-29 15:30:46	gigasu_shida	me-sudoer-dentne: no, it wasn't a question
2021-05-29 15:31:07	me-sudoer-dentne	i am talking about your linux dirtrobution
2021-05-29 15:31:14	gigasu_shida	Linux Mint 19.2
2021-05-29 15:31:18	me-sudoer-dentne	ohk
2021-05-29 15:31:31	me-sudoer-dentne	i am pretty sure it comes installed with firefox
2021-05-29 15:31:48	gigasu_shida	hmm lemme see
2021-05-29 15:32:10	gigasu_shida	oh crap, yeah you're right it does come with Firefox already
2021-05-29 15:32:14	gigasu_shida	that's weird, never knew that
2021-05-29 15:32:38	me-sudoer-dentne	well now you know
2021-05-29 15:33:24	me-sudoer-dentne	where did you install brave from
2021-05-29 15:33:42	gigasu_shida	can someone explain why the '-f' option of 'pkill' would kill more 'vivaldi' processes than just 'pkill vivaldi'?
2021-05-29 15:33:48	me-sudoer-dentne	snap or some something else
2021-05-29 15:33:55	gigasu_shida	after looking into the manual, i don't get why that would kill more of them
2021-05-29 15:34:05	oxek	gigasu_shida: it's not the -f option, you should be using -x
2021-05-29 15:34:19	oxek	-x means it only kills exact matches
2021-05-29 15:34:27	gigasu_shida	I can't recall how I installed Brave. sorry, it's been a few months
2021-05-29 15:35:15	gigasu_shida	oxek: is '-f' an over match while '-x' is an undermatch?
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2021-05-29 15:35:37	gigasu_shida	'-f' catches any string with 'vivaldi' while '-x' only gets exact matches
2021-05-29 15:35:53	oxek	yeah
2021-05-29 15:36:21	gigasu_shida	ok well i see now. well what that other guy said is correct then. '-f' would tend to match more strings
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2021-05-29 15:36:32	gigasu_shida	and the default behavior of 'pkill' is probably '-x'
2021-05-29 15:36:36	gigasu_shida	i am guessing
2021-05-29 15:36:53	oxek	no, the default is not -x
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2021-05-29 15:37:18	me-sudoer-dentne	forget it just use killall and get away with it
2021-05-29 15:37:44	me-sudoer-dentne	`killall vivaldi`
2021-05-29 15:37:47	oxek	I always do `pgrep -af processname` first
2021-05-29 15:37:48	gigasu_shida	nice
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2021-05-29 15:37:58	gigasu_shida	good tip oxek i'll write that down
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2021-05-29 15:41:09	gigasu_shida	i don't know how to interpret the results of `pgrep -af processname`
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2021-05-29 15:42:16	jim	gigasu_shida, howbout pastebin it? like this: pgrep -af processname | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-05-29 15:43:03	jim	and be sure to replace 'processname' with something real, so the command outputs something
2021-05-29 15:43:15	gigasu_shida	well i get it now
2021-05-29 15:43:30	gigasu_shida	i don't know what pgrep is acting on when you do that
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2021-05-29 15:43:36	gigasu_shida	but i get that it's bringing up process PIDs
2021-05-29 15:44:08	jim	I dunno what the -af is...
2021-05-29 15:44:13	jim	let's see...
2021-05-29 15:44:17	gigasu_shida	ot
2021-05-29 15:44:25	gigasu_shida	it's oxek's way of just doing a sanity check
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2021-05-29 15:44:45	gigasu_shida	he's making sure that the processes he's about to kill aren't too critical
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2021-05-29 15:46:22	Voxel	-af sounds like "as f*ck"
2021-05-29 15:46:35	Voxel	I'm sorry, I had to say that
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2021-05-29 15:47:16	jim	oh ok, so, try taking away the -af, and you just get a process ID number... if you put the -af back, you get: process id, process commandline (including args)
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2021-05-29 15:47:32	jim	at least that's what I get)
2021-05-29 15:48:09	gigasu_shida	lemme try
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2021-05-29 15:48:35	gigasu_shida	oh yeah the '-af' gives you like metadata about the processes
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2021-05-29 15:49:30	jim	if you want, you could check man pgrep, and see what -a and -f do
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2021-05-29 15:50:45	gigasu_shida	-a lists the full command line, while -f matches against the command line
2021-05-29 15:50:52	gigasu_shida	but i don't even know what is meant by 'command line' lol
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2021-05-29 15:53:06	kurahaupo	gigasu_shida: the arguments that the process was started with at its las to execve
2021-05-29 15:53:21	kurahaupo	*last
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2021-05-29 15:53:32	gigasu_shida	last to execve?
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2021-05-29 15:53:46	kurahaupo	last execve
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2021-05-29 15:55:02	gigasu_shida	commandline must refer to the filename that execve can use to start a process
2021-05-29 15:55:50	kurahaupo	The arguments, including the command name, to the most recent execve syscall by this process or by any its ancestor prior to forking
2021-05-29 15:56:22	kurahaupo	any *of its *ancestors
2021-05-29 15:56:56	gigasu_shida	oh ok, that's beyond my knowledge
2021-05-29 15:57:09	gigasu_shida	i am not quite sure what you're saying because i'm not familiar with writing programs in C++
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2021-05-29 15:57:24	gigasu_shida	i think if i had knowledge of writing programs in C++ i'd understand you
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2021-05-29 15:57:33	gigasu_shida	i kinda forgot what forking means as well
2021-05-29 15:57:36	kurahaupo	which is to say, the command name and arguments typed into the shell to stay it
2021-05-29 15:57:50	gigasu_shida	to stay it = to stop it?
2021-05-29 15:58:04	kurahaupo	start it
2021-05-29 15:58:26	kurahaupo	swipe touch keyboard is making a mess of this
2021-05-29 15:58:38	gigasu_shida	ok i will research what execve() does
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2021-05-29 16:00:32	kurahaupo	Another way to describe it is: the args of the most recent execve call by this process, or the args inherited from the parent process if this one has not made any execve call
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2021-05-29 16:01:13	gigasu_shida	it's basically the most currently executing file of code
2021-05-29 16:01:21	gigasu_shida	of the process
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2021-05-29 16:01:32	kurahaupo	That plus the invocation arguments
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2021-05-29 16:01:59	gigasu_shida	oh yeah. do args basically determine which part of the code in the file is executed?
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2021-05-29 16:02:49	kurahaupo	It's called "command line" because when you start a program from a command line (inside a shell), that's where they come from
2021-05-29 16:02:55	gigasu_shida	well, wait, args can also affect how the code is executed by execve probably
2021-05-29 16:03:21	gigasu_shida	that makes sense, thanks for the explanation kurahaupo
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2021-05-29 16:04:15	kurahaupo	So if a process is running /bin/ls it might have commandline arguments "ls" and "-l"
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2021-05-29 16:04:35	kurahaupo	Or "/bin/ls" and "-l"
2021-05-29 16:04:50	kurahaupo	assuming you typed "ls -l"
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2021-05-29 16:07:22	gigasu_shida	oh the command invocation itself is considered an argument?
2021-05-29 16:07:25	kurahaupo	Command line arguments typically do influence which parts of the program run, however the exact interpretation of the arguments if up to that program; some just treat every argument as an input filename
2021-05-29 16:07:50	kurahaupo	yes; argv[0] is the name of the command itself
2021-05-29 16:07:55	gigasu_shida	well i guess that makes sense
2021-05-29 16:08:06	gigasu_shida	I need to review all this stuff
2021-05-29 16:08:41	kurahaupo	Commands such as gzip use that to determine whether to operate as "compress" or "decompress"
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2021-05-29 16:09:34	kurahaupo	The "git" program recognises when it's invoked as "git-log" or "git-commit"
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2021-05-29 16:10:00	kurahaupo	But most programs just ignore it
2021-05-29 16:10:57	kurahaupo	That's why gunzip is a symlink to gzip, and how it can work
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2021-05-29 16:11:28	gigasu_shida	oh so for gzip i need to know two commands
2021-05-29 16:11:38	gigasu_shida	i never knew that
2021-05-29 16:11:56	kurahaupo	gunzip is shorthand for gzip -d
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2021-05-29 16:13:16	kurahaupo	which is also true of (un)compress, b(un)zip2 g(un)zip, (un)xz, and probably others
2021-05-29 16:14:00	gigasu_shida	i'm gonna write this down in a file called gzip_help.txt
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2021-05-29 16:14:14	gigasu_shida	and make another called pkill_help.txt
2021-05-29 16:14:15	kurahaupo	Just read the man page, it's all there
2021-05-29 16:14:34	[R]	kurahaupo: 'man page' is offensive
2021-05-29 16:14:39	[R]	kurahaupo: i prefer the person person page
2021-05-29 16:14:47	[R]	prefer the term*
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2021-05-29 16:15:16	kurahaupo	[R]: go read your personual
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2021-05-29 16:17:34	kurahaupo	rule thumb: if the name of a command is only one syllable, it's probably an abbreviation; man=manual, cat=concatenate, dd=convert-and-copy (cc was already taken)
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2021-05-29 16:18:18	[R]	are you saying cats aren't important?
2021-05-29 16:19:01	Kel	kurahaupo: I never thought to check and just assumed 'dd' was 'disk dump' xD
2021-05-29 16:19:12	kurahaupo	[R]: felines and computers don't mix
2021-05-29 16:19:23	[R]	kurahaupo: my cat is alwsy trying to help me on my computer
2021-05-29 16:19:52	kurahaupo	just don't say the word "mouse" too loudly
2021-05-29 16:20:01	[R]	lol
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2021-05-29 16:20:06	[R]	i havea  trackpad
2021-05-29 16:20:22	gigasu_shida	damn how do you remember all this stuff
2021-05-29 16:20:32	gigasu_shida	i have trouble remember syntax
2021-05-29 16:20:43	[R]	thats what man pages are for...
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2021-05-29 16:21:08	kurahaupo	Is that why do many people think that dd is somehow specially for dealing with disk images? Because they think "d" stands for "disc"/"disk"?
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2021-05-29 16:22:03	kurahaupo	cat <image >/dev/sdxx will work just as well but maybe slightly slower
2021-05-29 16:22:08	gigasu_shida	can i use "convert-and-copy" as the command arg?
2021-05-29 16:23:02	kurahaupo	I doubt that dd pays any heed to the name it's invoked by, so sure, ln -s /bin/dd ~/bin/convert-and-copy
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2021-05-29 16:23:19	 *	[R] takes heed of kurahaupo 
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2021-05-29 16:24:40	[R]	i'm not jeff foxworthy
2021-05-29 16:24:49	[R]	i dont tell "you might be a redneck" jokes
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2021-05-29 16:25:14	gigasu_shida	'dd' is dangerous to mess around with. i need to create a virtual machine to mess with it
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2021-05-29 17:07:19	yanmaani	"at least for a while"
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2021-05-29 17:07:21	yanmaani	Any plans?
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2021-05-29 17:08:07	ayecee	oh you know, settle down, start a family, etc
2021-05-29 17:08:26	oxek	ayecee: stop flexing on us by having a plan
2021-05-29 17:08:28	triceratux	stay out of trouble, stay alive
2021-05-29 17:08:40	triceratux	https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
2021-05-29 17:08:51	ayecee	more of a goal than a plan i guess
2021-05-29 17:09:33	oxek	I'm just waiting to see if I survive the next 11 hours. After that, who knows, I might make a plan.
2021-05-29 17:10:03	triceratux	i planned to ssh into android & run arm gomuks & get to the matrix to freenode bridge
2021-05-29 17:10:08	ayecee	smart. no point in planning too far ahead
2021-05-29 17:10:22	triceratux	but the arm gomuks abends all over the place :(
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2021-05-29 17:26:10	ayecee	gotta time it just right for auspicious stellar alignment
2021-05-29 17:26:59	[R]	ayecee: you are pretty suspicious
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2021-05-29 17:38:51	kfrench	[R]: The cool kids say sus.
2021-05-29 17:39:16	[R]	guess i'm not cool :(
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2021-05-29 17:48:14	treefrob	dd means "copy command", iirc
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2021-05-29 17:51:51	oxek	no, dd means "destroy data"
2021-05-29 17:52:23	akoana	"dd was always named after JCL dd cards", Dennis Ritchie (https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/HAWoZ8g-xYk/m/HDUVxwTVLKAJ)
2021-05-29 17:52:33	akoana	(data definition)
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2021-05-29 17:55:19	jmadero	hi all - I'm trying to tri boot, two linux distros and W10, every time I install my second linux distro I lose access to my first, trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong
2021-05-29 17:55:26	jmadero	can I share /boot/efi partition between distros?
2021-05-29 17:55:47	gigasu_shida	can someone personally mentor me in linux?
2021-05-29 17:55:53	gigasu_shida	or is this a bit much to ask
2021-05-29 17:56:06	jmadero	gigasu_shida: that is a lot to ask
2021-05-29 17:56:16	jmadero	you can ask specific questions and people are likely to help
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2021-05-29 17:56:24	gigasu_shida	I see, thx
2021-05-29 17:56:46	altwulf	That would be "thanks", not "thx".
2021-05-29 17:56:48	jmadero	gigasu_shida: we were all beginners at one point or another
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2021-05-29 17:57:38	oxek	that's the spirit altwulf
2021-05-29 17:57:53	jmadero	gigasu_shida: what's the end goal?
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2021-05-29 18:02:12	gigasu_shida	the end goal is to get better. i just like the idea of having a mentor lol
2021-05-29 18:02:33	jmadero	ha, fair enough - I'm sure if you pay someone to be your mentor they'd happily do so :-b
2021-05-29 18:03:06	[R]	use it, and if you have questions, ask thme
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2021-05-29 18:04:57	GaM3r2Xtreme	one of the best ways to learn linux is to drive right into it. speaking from experience myself, I remember the days of coming from windows into backtrack for the first time and getting completely lost with the folder naming convension.
2021-05-29 18:05:08	porky	could someone please describe a reliable method to clone a hard drive to an image file and later how to restore the image file to another hard drive?
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2021-05-29 18:05:59	[R]	porky: dd
2021-05-29 18:07:02	GaM3r2Xtreme	dd totally. something like 'dd if=/dev/sdX of=image.iso' should work.
2021-05-29 18:07:14	[R]	well, .iso doesnt make sense... because its not an iso
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2021-05-29 18:07:35	terabit	always bs=1M bro
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2021-05-29 18:07:43	GaM3r2Xtreme	should it be a different name then? like .img?
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2021-05-29 18:08:26	akoana	file extensions have no special meaning in linux...
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2021-05-29 18:09:22	ayecee	.img sounds reasonable
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2021-05-29 18:09:41	[R]	ayecee: you're pretty reasonable
2021-05-29 18:09:51	GaM3r2Xtreme	you can make live usb in the same manner too. 'dd if=ubuntu.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=1M' (got it that time terabit)
2021-05-29 18:10:22	gigasu_shida	GaM3r2Xtreme: what's backtrack?
2021-05-29 18:10:35	terabit	nice
2021-05-29 18:10:40	ayecee	but that only works for iso images explicitly prepared for that
2021-05-29 18:10:40	GaM3r2Xtreme	keli is what it's known now a days
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2021-05-29 18:10:56	[R]	ayecee: what type of preparation is that?
2021-05-29 18:10:57	LissajousPattern	Kali
2021-05-29 18:11:01	[R]	ayecee: does preparation H work?
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2021-05-29 18:11:11	gigasu_shida	I see GaM3r2Xtreme
2021-05-29 18:11:21	LissajousPattern	[R] depends on how you apply it
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2021-05-29 18:11:44	GaM3r2Xtreme	its basically just a distro network penetration testing
2021-05-29 18:11:45	jmadero	anyone thoughts on using one partition for /boot/efi, trying to figure out if that's what's making it so I can't boot into Manjaro after installing Bodhi
2021-05-29 18:11:46	terabit	there is trend of projects with a cool name, fork or change something and get a very boring name
2021-05-29 18:12:03	terabit	backtrack -> kali , freenode -> libera , debian -> devuan ,etc...
2021-05-29 18:12:10	ayecee	jmadero: how do you mean
2021-05-29 18:12:16	[R]	terabit: except debian is better...
2021-05-29 18:12:18	COVID-1984	anyone familiar with UPSs?
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2021-05-29 18:12:34	terabit	[R]: the name? yeah...that's what I'm saying
2021-05-29 18:12:34	ayecee	COVID-1984: ask a question about UPSs to find out
2021-05-29 18:12:36	[R]	COVID-1984: united pakistan systems
2021-05-29 18:12:37	[R]	?
2021-05-29 18:12:51	[R]	terabit: no, like libera is better than freenode
2021-05-29 18:12:52	jmadero	ayecee: I installed Manjaro using /dev/sdb5 as /boot/efi, I then installed Bodhi Linux and used the same /dev/sdb5, now I can't boot into Manjaro
2021-05-29 18:12:58	[R]	and kali and backtrack are both crap...
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2021-05-29 18:13:01	oxek	ayecee: use your tesla
2021-05-29 18:13:03	[R]	so the anology doesnt amke sense
2021-05-29 18:13:08	oxek	ehh, that was for COVID-1984
2021-05-29 18:13:09	jmadero	I separated /boot on different partitions
2021-05-29 18:13:10	ayecee	jmadero: that's the normal way to use an efi partition
2021-05-29 18:13:11	COVID-1984	So I do this test where the UPS gracefully shuts down use upsmon service. I have a feature on the motherboard to detect when there is power... But I didn't realize that a graceful shutdown prevents it from turning the power back on automatically..
2021-05-29 18:13:25	terabit	[R]: you mean project quality? that has nothing to do with what I was saying
2021-05-29 18:13:31	COVID-1984	Is there any way to tell the motherboard/BIOS that the shutdown was not graceful despite it being so?
2021-05-29 18:13:31	jmadero	ayecee: hmm, then I'm really confused why I can't boot my Manjaro boot (it shows up in grub but won't boot)
2021-05-29 18:13:33	[R]	lol
2021-05-29 18:13:40	COVID-1984	That way then the UPS has power again the computer will automatically turn back on
2021-05-29 18:13:43	terabit	and idk if freenode is worse than libera or debian better than devuan. all depends on who's using it
2021-05-29 18:13:44	[R]	COVID-1984: i'll take "things that have nothing to do with linux for $500"
2021-05-29 18:14:10	COVID-1984	[R]: well last time I was on here there was a very expert UPS guy... who knew the upsd commands by heart
2021-05-29 18:14:16	COVID-1984	he helped me conceive of this solution
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2021-05-29 18:14:18	COVID-1984	so was hoping to find him again
2021-05-29 18:14:35	ayecee	COVID-1984: how does a graceful shutdown happen
2021-05-29 18:14:56	COVID-1984	upsmon talks to UPS, and when UPS loses power for too long, then it tells the computer to shutdown -h now
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2021-05-29 18:15:56	ayecee	the option in the bios that controls what to do on power on, it's set to "last state" or something?
2021-05-29 18:16:08	ayecee	what to do when power is restored, rather
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2021-05-29 18:17:21	COVID-1984	ayecee: that's the annoying part... it is the perfect feature, but it says something like "power restored after a failure" (so excludes proper shutdown)
2021-05-29 18:17:25	COVID-1984	it says "G3"
2021-05-29 18:17:30	COVID-1984	"G3 state"
2021-05-29 18:18:06	ayecee	i can't picture that. what does that look like?
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2021-05-29 18:18:35	COVID-1984	http://forum.asrock.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=12904&title=motherboard-b450-pro4-restore-on-power-loss
2021-05-29 18:18:47	COVID-1984	same brand, wording looks the same
2021-05-29 18:19:07	ayecee	you have it set to Always On as well?
2021-05-29 18:19:23	COVID-1984	yep
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2021-05-29 18:19:26	COVID-1984	but it didn't work
2021-05-29 18:19:35	COVID-1984	and I think that's because shutdown was proper
2021-05-29 18:19:38	COVID-1984	it didn't suddenly lose power
2021-05-29 18:19:58	treefrob	porky, do move a system disk (linux or any other OS) to a new system you must make allowances for HW changes (size of disk, etc). Have a look at clonezilla
2021-05-29 18:20:09	ayecee	i wonder if there's a way to enter G3 state without losing power.
2021-05-29 18:20:10	COVID-1984	and i dont wanna setup wake on land through the router and everything... a pain
2021-05-29 18:20:15	COVID-1984	ayecee: exactly
2021-05-29 18:20:42	treefrob	use wake at sea, then?
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2021-05-29 18:21:33	ayecee	looks like G3 is "mechanical off". guess that's not going to work.
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2021-05-29 18:22:31	COVID-1984	maybe the UPS test doesn't do what I think tho
2021-05-29 18:22:35	COVID-1984	maybe I'm being daft here
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2021-05-29 18:22:54	ayecee	not sure how that would work. I mean, when would it turn on, if the power was restored before the UPS ran out of juice?
2021-05-29 18:23:02	COVID-1984	so upsmon -c fsd -> simulates the UPS not having enough power and shuts down gracefully
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2021-05-29 18:23:06	COVID-1984	then maybe it is good that it doesn't come back on
2021-05-29 18:23:14	COVID-1984	cuz in that case the UPS would be too low power
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2021-05-29 18:23:30	COVID-1984	maybe i need to simulate the UPS charging back up, supplying power again, and then the computer would detect it
2021-05-29 18:23:39	COVID-1984	but then again the power on setting in the BIOS does say only G3
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2021-05-29 18:24:01	treefrob	WaS, for short
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2021-05-29 18:24:32	Voxel	https://i.imgur.com/fT2zgAk.mp4
2021-05-29 18:24:46	ayecee	would be nice to have a different way to wake it, like with RTC or network wake
2021-05-29 18:25:15	Voxel	I'm sorry. I had to.
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2021-05-29 18:25:36	Voxel	Yeah... This is probably off-topic.
2021-05-29 18:25:40	COVID-1984	ayecee: the only way i can think is setup remote access to the router, then install this software onto the router that has wake on lan support.
2021-05-29 18:25:46	ayecee	could set the RTC to wake it some time after the battery is expected to run out. Then, it will either wake by RTC, or wake by power restore
2021-05-29 18:25:48	COVID-1984	it is an ubiquity edge router
2021-05-29 18:25:56	LissajousPattern	Voxel there is no topic
2021-05-29 18:26:08	gigasu_shida	how can one use execve() to execute an ELF?
2021-05-29 18:26:23	ayecee	gigasu_shida: how do you mean
2021-05-29 18:26:33	ayecee	that's pretty much all it's used for
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2021-05-29 18:26:42	COVID-1984	hmmm id have to do some testing on sleep before that
2021-05-29 18:26:43	COVID-1984	but interesting
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2021-05-29 18:26:57	COVID-1984	it is all ZFS but perhaps suspend to ram
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2021-05-29 18:27:22	gigasu_shida	does one call execve() explicitly?
2021-05-29 18:27:40	ayecee	only if one wants the functionality it provides
2021-05-29 18:27:42	gigasu_shida	or is it used after one executes a program
2021-05-29 18:27:44	DuClare	If you want to execve, then yes you call execve..
2021-05-29 18:27:46	ayecee	otherwise i wouldn't recommend it
2021-05-29 18:28:08	ayecee	gigasu_shida: it is only used after one executes a program.
2021-05-29 18:28:17	gigasu_shida	is execve() the main routine used to execute an executable or is there another one that is the dominant routine?
2021-05-29 18:28:42	DuClare	I mean there's a whole family of exec functions
2021-05-29 18:28:45	DuClare	Pick whichever suits you
2021-05-29 18:29:02	ayecee	gigasu_shida: it is one of a family of routines. it is the only way to execute an executable.
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2021-05-29 18:29:27	gigasu_shida	Ok, sorry. I am asking questions that are beyond my ability
2021-05-29 18:29:34	Smashcat2	Anyone know if NetworkManager is an Ubuntu-only thing?
2021-05-29 18:29:40	DuClare	Smashcat2: No
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2021-05-29 18:29:55	COVID-1984	https://community.ui.com/questions/Wake-On-Lan-WOL-from-WAN/9820f99f-5362-43b6-a04f-65a20cdbeceb otherwise will have to do this and it is nasty... doesn't make sense to me
2021-05-29 18:30:22	COVID-1984	exposing one's WOL to the internet?
2021-05-29 18:30:24	COVID-1984	seems strange
2021-05-29 18:30:47	Smashcat2	DuClare: Oh crap. It's not going to become the standard way to manage networking I hope? It's a total nightmare.
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2021-05-29 18:31:03	gigasu_shida	what's another execute routine?
2021-05-29 18:31:08	ayecee	gigasu_shida: there isn't one
2021-05-29 18:31:11	DuClare	Smashcat2: There's no standard for that, thank goodness
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2021-05-29 18:31:27	DuClare	And if one ever emerges, feel free to ignore it :P
2021-05-29 18:31:27	gigasu_shida	what else is in the family with execve()?
2021-05-29 18:31:35	ayecee	gigasu_shida: oh, like others in the exec family? execl, execlp, execle, etc.etc.etc.
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2021-05-29 18:31:48	DuClare	gigasu_shida: I mean there are man pages for this
2021-05-29 18:31:54	gigasu_shida	do execl and execve basically call the same routine?
2021-05-29 18:31:54	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	hey what good way to check RAID i forgot
2021-05-29 18:32:06	gigasu_shida	ok sorry i'll drop it
2021-05-29 18:32:10	ayecee	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: gonna need more context.
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2021-05-29 18:32:18	Smashcat2	DuClare: Yeah, I prefer just using /etc/network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant. NetworkManager seems to put crap all over the place, with no obvious place to change things. Probably designed more for use with a GUI.
2021-05-29 18:32:48	ayecee	gigasu_shida: it's hard to figure out what problem you're trying to solve. the question is very strange.
2021-05-29 18:32:53	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	@ayecee, i dunno i just want to see if RAID1 ok, it received physical shock lol
2021-05-29 18:33:25	DuClare	gigasu_shida: I mean if you look at the syscalls, it's going to be execve or execveat
2021-05-29 18:33:25	ayecee	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: what shows that you have a raid1
2021-05-29 18:33:40	DuClare	gigasu_shida: But the library interface includes a bunch of routines
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2021-05-29 18:33:48	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	i set it up about a year ago its a mirror
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2021-05-29 18:33:54	ayecee	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: how did you set it up
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2021-05-29 18:34:40	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	@ayecee, i think i have small boot partition and then a large mirror with debian...
2021-05-29 18:34:43	ayecee	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: trying to figure out what raid software you used, so we know what program is used to talk to it.
2021-05-29 18:34:49	gigasu_shida	I mean, is execl and execve basically like calling a 'exec' with flags (maybe -l or -ve) ?
2021-05-29 18:35:12	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	i think the stuff used a year back its not the oold stuff
2021-05-29 18:35:15	ayecee	gigasu_shida: the exec(3) manpage says that the exec family of functions are all wrappers for execve(2)
2021-05-29 18:35:28	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	md maybe if i recall??
2021-05-29 18:35:39	gigasu_shida	i see ayecee
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2021-05-29 18:35:53	gigasu_shida	what does the (3) and (2) mean?
2021-05-29 18:36:02	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	just wonder if there is some log it would create or if imma have to scrub or whatever
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2021-05-29 18:36:12	ayecee	manpage section numbers.  man 3 exec, and man 2 execve, respectively
2021-05-29 18:36:24	ayecee	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: really can't tell what you have there.
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2021-05-29 18:36:43	jmadero	ok interesting results - what does "fallback" mode refer to in grub? I can boot into Manjaro using fallback mode
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2021-05-29 18:36:48	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	@ayecee, ok yep im gonna have to be careful and run a backup quick
2021-05-29 18:37:07	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	thanks
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2021-05-29 18:38:11	Voxel	D4RKR4Z0R-Z, may I ask what IRC client do you use?
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2021-05-29 18:38:41	gigasu_shida	so exec(3) means it's under the "C Library Functions" section of the man pages. while execve(2) means that it's under the "System Calls" section of the man pages.
2021-05-29 18:38:44	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	@Voxel, its um mIRC
2021-05-29 18:38:49	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	yeah ;)
2021-05-29 18:38:54	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	why
2021-05-29 18:39:07	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	oh the @ thingie?
2021-05-29 18:39:10	Smashcat2	Heh, purged NetworkManager from the system, and suddenly all the networking is now working properly :)
2021-05-29 18:39:13	Parera	Hello, I need some help.... I did: vgextend cl /dev/sda3 and a lvextend -l+100%FREE /dev/cl/root. Is there a way to undo this?
2021-05-29 18:39:20	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	been on discord forgot how to do in IRC
2021-05-29 18:39:31	ayecee	Parera: no
2021-05-29 18:39:58	Parera	really pfff :-(
2021-05-29 18:40:05	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	Voxel, i forgot i can just hit tab
2021-05-29 18:40:17	LissajousPattern	Measure twice cut once
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2021-05-29 18:40:35	Parera	What about lvreduce? Is it tricky, or does it not work for this?
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2021-05-29 18:41:08	ayecee	Parera: it's a little tricky in that you'll have to make sure the size you choose is larger than the filesystem on the volume
2021-05-29 18:41:10	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	ayecee, im using mdadm according to .history
2021-05-29 18:41:26	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	state: clean
2021-05-29 18:41:46	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	v 1.2 volume
2021-05-29 18:41:50	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	hmm
2021-05-29 18:41:55	DuClare	gigasu_shida: I'm still kinda trying to figure out what exactly you are trying to figure out :)
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2021-05-29 18:42:01	Parera	ayecee: mm oh oke... thanks
2021-05-29 18:42:27	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	~300GB
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2021-05-29 18:43:06	ayecee	Parera: when i've done that, i think i shrunk the filesystem first, then reduced the volume
2021-05-29 18:43:18	triceratux	well i got element secure messenger 1.1.7 installed on android 8 & got to the matrix bridge
2021-05-29 18:43:25	ranran8888	Hi my server has a lot of falls in it how can I check the cause? I just saw that at the moment it is not working, should the previous one run it again or is there a way to check like this? aws amazn
2021-05-29 18:43:25	ayecee	then did the changes, and expanded the volume and the filesystem again
2021-05-29 18:43:38	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	ok and it is a v 1.0 boot volume, interesting...
2021-05-29 18:43:50	[R]	ranran8888: what do you mean "lots of falls"?
2021-05-29 18:43:51	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	must have been feeling ambitious
2021-05-29 18:44:32	gigasu_shida	DuClare: I'm just curious. I'm not trying to solve a specific problem. I don't think I will ever use execve() as I'm not a power user of linux
2021-05-29 18:44:56	ayecee	gigasu_shida: power users wouldn't use it either. it's something a programmer might use.
2021-05-29 18:45:09	ranran8888	[R] in EC2  i see my instrece status cheack = 1/2 checks passed and i can connect him i want see waht the The reason is that this has been happening to me a lot lately
2021-05-29 18:45:26	gigasu_shida	Oh ok ayecee, I see.
2021-05-29 18:45:28	ayecee	ranran8888: what does the status check check
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2021-05-29 18:45:56	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	ik for a fact i did not daemonize mdadm
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2021-05-29 18:46:15	ayecee	i know, not ik. they're picky about the sms abbrvs here.
2021-05-29 18:46:19	ranran8888	ayecee i want see way the servr its down what happen before
2021-05-29 18:46:28	RayTracer	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: you could "echo repair > /sys/block/mdX/md/sync_action"
2021-05-29 18:46:34	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	oopsies
2021-05-29 18:46:35	ayecee	ranran8888: i would like an answer to my question
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2021-05-29 18:46:50	triceratux	its an enormous kludge https://i.imgur.com/EzBVyky.jpg
2021-05-29 18:46:54	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	RayTracer, ok hmm let me try, thanks
2021-05-29 18:47:22	ranran8888	ayecee sory i dont understent what you ask ? what cheack ? where
2021-05-29 18:47:39	ayecee	ranran8888: the instance status check - what does it check
2021-05-29 18:47:43	ranran8888	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/8f546369e3745796f93a1fe24532f77a/pasted.txt
2021-05-29 18:49:13	ayecee	ranran8888: so, what does it check
2021-05-29 18:49:47	ranran8888	ayecee i dont know what it check , i know its mean my server down and i cant connect him
2021-05-29 18:49:54	ayecee	ranran8888: could you find out what it checks
2021-05-29 18:49:57	ranran8888	i want cheakc what the reason hi down
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2021-05-29 18:50:30	ranran8888	this you mean ?
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2021-05-29 18:51:10	ayecee	is it?
2021-05-29 18:51:26	ranran8888	ayecee yes
2021-05-29 18:51:40	ayecee	how does it check
2021-05-29 18:51:52	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	RayTracer, if i am correct what you suggest will perform a repair upon next sync.  is that going to need a reboot?
2021-05-29 18:52:21	sena	ranran8888: what operating system are you using on the server? Which Linux distribution, do you know?
2021-05-29 18:52:54	RayTracer	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: it will trigger an immediate check, and repair (by re-writing from the other disks) if read error occurs
2021-05-29 18:53:03	ranran8888	sena sory i new you mean what the server ubuntu ?
2021-05-29 18:53:04	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	oh wow OK...
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2021-05-29 18:53:27	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	RayTracer, thats awesome hmm
2021-05-29 18:53:30	ayecee	ranran8888: "This check verifies that your instance's operating system is accepting traffic." - how does it check that?
2021-05-29 18:53:58	ranran8888	sena i can rebot him and the server work but i want know what happen
2021-05-29 18:54:20	sena	ranran8888: ok, ubuntu... you have some log files on the server, which may (or may not) help you find out what caused the latest "crash" or "shutdown". Try restarting the server and looking in the "/var/log/syslog" file
2021-05-29 18:54:34	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	RayTracer, would it be wise to monitor syslog as this is happening?
2021-05-29 18:54:40	ranran8888	ayecee i dont know , What does it matter
2021-05-29 18:54:57	COVID-1984	is there chat history of this channel anywhere?
2021-05-29 18:54:59	ayecee	ranran8888: it determines how the check could fail
2021-05-29 18:55:02	ayecee	COVID-1984: no
2021-05-29 18:55:13	COVID-1984	ah ok
2021-05-29 18:55:15	ranran8888	sena k i need rebot the server and chack ? or  i can in the log file in aws panel ?
2021-05-29 18:55:16	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	i seem to have a command i think while i was creating the volumes
2021-05-29 18:55:22	sena	ranran8888: the file has time stamps on it, check before the last time you started it, to see if there's any error or any indication why the server shut down
2021-05-29 18:55:46	sena	ranran8888: if the server is already running, you don't need to reboot it
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2021-05-29 18:56:24	RayTracer	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: if you want to stop it, just "echo idle" instead of "repair". If you want to monitor, go ahead - I think if it discovers major errors it will fault the disk so you should notice
2021-05-29 18:56:31	sena	ranran8888: I don't know if you can access server files from the AWS panel, can't you log into the machine? Maybe use something like WinSCP if you're not familar with a command line.
2021-05-29 18:56:46	ayecee	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: couldn't hurt. if there are i/o errors, you'd see something there.
2021-05-29 18:56:53	ranran8888	sena the instrnce running but i dont can connect him with putty the server down
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2021-05-29 18:57:09	ranran8888	if i rebot him its save the log i can see the error before ?
2021-05-29 18:57:09	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	RayTracer, ayecee, OK hmm let me try -- thank you!
2021-05-29 18:57:33	sena	ranran8888: can't you connect through some kind of console (not SSH) on the AWS panel?
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2021-05-29 18:58:19	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	hmm i guess this is slackware, not debian hmmph
2021-05-29 18:58:28	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	let me try
2021-05-29 18:58:35	sena	ranran8888: there are some instructions here to use the serial console instead of a network connection -> https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/connect-to-serial-console.html#sc-connection-methods
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2021-05-29 18:58:56	sena	ranran8888: this should at least allow you to login to the machine even if it has no networking
2021-05-29 18:59:32	ayecee	not the current instance though.
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2021-05-29 19:00:01	ayecee	also not if the system has panicked
2021-05-29 19:00:28	ranran8888	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/1c073354a9be80c24fb3199a8fff6555/FDSFDSFSD.png
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2021-05-29 19:00:56	ranran8888	sena here i can chaeck in the log ?
2021-05-29 19:01:27	sena	ayecee: if it has some kernel error, maybe it's visible on the serial console
2021-05-29 19:01:39	ayecee	no, the serial console doesn't work like that
2021-05-29 19:01:44	ayecee	it's not like the virtual console
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2021-05-29 19:02:02	ayecee	there's no history. you only get what is written after you connect.
2021-05-29 19:02:04	Linkandzelda	i want to run something by you guys... think it would work if i split a huge mysql dump (50gb+) into may small files, then used an incremenetal backup on them, to store only the data which changed?
2021-05-29 19:02:12	sena	ayecee: you're right
2021-05-29 19:02:22	ranran8888	so i rebot te server and cheack after in the log file ?
2021-05-29 19:02:31	ayecee	Linkandzelda: it would work but it wouldn't have the desired effect.
2021-05-29 19:02:35	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	wow hdd lightzerblinken
2021-05-29 19:02:37	sena	ranran8888: try doing things.. first try "get system log" and "get instance screenshot"
2021-05-29 19:02:39	Linkandzelda	ayecee: it wouldnt?
2021-05-29 19:02:58	ayecee	yes
2021-05-29 19:03:16	sena	ranran8888: if no useful info from that, try connecting to the serial console and see if you can login (press enter a few times)
2021-05-29 19:03:22	sena	ranran8888: if not, reboot the server
2021-05-29 19:03:32	ayecee	Linkandzelda: well unless the many small files somehow isolated the changed parts.
2021-05-29 19:03:37	sena	ranran8888: and the system console should give you some info
2021-05-29 19:04:14	ayecee	Linkandzelda: like, if you did dumps of separate tables to separate files.
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2021-05-29 19:04:26	Linkandzelda	ayecee: well im thinking level 1 is split per-table, so if an entire table didnt change it wouldnt get backed up again
2021-05-29 19:04:42	ayecee	okay sure, that could work.
2021-05-29 19:04:50	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	apparently email is setup and will get a message if something goes wrong -- monitoring progress with mdadm
2021-05-29 19:05:16	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	RayTracer, ayecee, thanks i was freaking out
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2021-05-29 19:05:43	Linkandzelda	level 2 is somehow analysing the table content, probably by private key or something, im not sure. maybe groups of 1-2k rows as separate files
2021-05-29 19:05:46	ranran8888	Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/eea1d89a7732359dda50d7b36fab3c51/fgagfga.jpg
2021-05-29 19:05:47	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	i better check this more often
2021-05-29 19:06:03	ayecee	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: good plan
2021-05-29 19:06:08	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	:-)
2021-05-29 19:06:13	ranran8888	sena this in the image what it mean ?
2021-05-29 19:06:20	ayecee	ranran8888: there you go. you ran out of memory.
2021-05-29 19:07:01	ranran8888	ayecee Does that mean I'm overloading the server?
2021-05-29 19:07:18	sena	ranran8888: yeah, you should upgrade to an instance with more RAM
2021-05-29 19:07:21	ayecee	it means your programs are asking for more memory than the system has.
2021-05-29 19:07:27	Skaface	just make a swapfile
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2021-05-29 19:08:47	sena	Skaface: better to just increase memory... If it's being OOMed, it means it's using the memory... Swap would in fact ensure the service kept running, but it may slow things down considerably.
2021-05-29 19:09:00	Skaface	that is true
2021-05-29 19:09:00	ranran8888	ayecee sena k thx i need buy new server :D  and You have a place to recommend a reasonably priced server ? Amazon took me $ 16 on a CPU1 server
2021-05-29 19:10:05	sena	ranran8888: how much memory?
2021-05-29 19:10:05	ayecee	aws has competitive prices. you can find service for less, but you get less service.
2021-05-29 19:10:24	ayecee	t2.micro has 1GB
2021-05-29 19:10:36	[R]	ayecee: fan of micro things?
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2021-05-29 19:11:29	ranran8888	sena its all the basic i chaeck now sec
2021-05-29 19:12:06	ranran8888	sena 1
2021-05-29 19:12:16	ranran8888	gb
2021-05-29 19:12:28	ayecee	glad we cleared that up
2021-05-29 19:12:57	sena	ranran8888: you can get, for example, a Linode VPS with 1 cpu core and 2 GB of memory for $10 per month... A DigitalOcean droplet is the same price.. But I suggest you shop around
2021-05-29 19:13:20	foxtrot	DO goes down to 5/mo, fwiw
2021-05-29 19:13:26	ayecee	doesn't help to shop around if you don't know what you need.
2021-05-29 19:13:38	sena	DO: yeah, but he needs more than 1 GiB of rAM
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2021-05-29 19:13:48	foxtrot	oh gotcha
2021-05-29 19:13:49	ayecee	how much more
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2021-05-29 19:14:18	RayTracer	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: fwiw, the check status is also in /proc/mdstat, and I sometimes use this bash function https://dpaste.org/2w4S to get an estimate when it's done
2021-05-29 19:14:39	sena	dunno, he's getting OOM with 1 GiB now, so 2 gigs? I'd start with that
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2021-05-29 19:14:57	sena	cool thing is you can upgrade easily
2021-05-29 19:15:10	ayecee	you can upgrade easily on AWS too.
2021-05-29 19:15:12	sena	on EC2 too, but I guess it's a bit cheaper
2021-05-29 19:15:13	bagira	query rasengan
2021-05-29 19:15:27	bagira	typo, disregard
2021-05-29 19:15:34	sena	*cheaper on linode/digitalocean
2021-05-29 19:15:56	ayecee	we're talking about big mac dollars here.
2021-05-29 19:15:59	sena	for sure there will be cheaper vps providers, depends on the intended use
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2021-05-29 19:16:39	sena	yeah, for sure... if just to learn, go cheap.. for production, meh, $16 is pocket change
2021-05-29 19:17:08	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	RayTracer, thanks!!: [====>................]  resync = 23.1%
2021-05-29 19:17:28	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	that's handy for sure
2021-05-29 19:17:56	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	speed=72700K/sec
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2021-05-29 19:25:48	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	RayTracer, i was just cat the /proc/mdstat
2021-05-29 19:26:19	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	not useing function not sure how lol
2021-05-29 19:26:59	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	it looks like it should output cat command but it does not
2021-05-29 19:27:04	RayTracer	copy/paste to a bash shell to define it, then call it as "mdstat"
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2021-05-29 19:27:14	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	ooh hmm
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2021-05-29 19:28:12	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	ok great now it does that and more yes
2021-05-29 19:28:36	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	date
2021-05-29 19:28:42	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	mt
2021-05-29 19:28:54	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	yeah i have to set time
2021-05-29 19:29:26	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	another ~40 minutes to go
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2021-05-29 19:32:02	RayTracer	it says finish=483.4min here. It's a bit misleading, as I modified the raid-check script to scan weekly 1/4 of the array
2021-05-29 19:32:19	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	'est' uesd for internal calculations and 'now', 'then' is humanized mayhaps
2021-05-29 19:32:38	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	ooh
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2021-05-29 19:35:08	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	not humanized just date output
2021-05-29 19:35:15	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	nice
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2021-05-29 19:36:10	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	is that larger raid5 or something?
2021-05-29 19:36:47	RayTracer	yes, raid5 from 4x5TB
2021-05-29 19:37:00	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	phew...  OK wow
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2021-05-29 19:38:37	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	my ups fell on to case (long story) I figured this was done
2021-05-29 19:39:45	RayTracer	oops
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2021-05-29 19:40:25	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	hehe yes.  i better scan boot volume also
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2021-05-29 20:03:45	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	then: Sat May 29 19:18:17 CDT 2021
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2021-05-29 20:19:03	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	crap May 29 23:32:08 slackware kernel: [860345.691684] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 332232493
2021-05-29 20:19:30	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	only bad sector found though so far
2021-05-29 20:19:44	koollman	still bad
2021-05-29 20:20:20	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	yeah...  rats
2021-05-29 20:21:34	rascul	you have rats in your sectors?
2021-05-29 20:21:54	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	hopeing not
2021-05-29 20:22:30	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	dont SMART fix this anyway
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2021-05-29 20:24:56	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	May 29 19:21:51 slackware mdadm[14965]: RebuildFinished event detected on md device /dev/md1:  mismatches found: 128 (on raid level 1)
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2021-05-29 20:25:18	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	128 thats not to bad right?
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2021-05-29 20:27:40	LissajousPattern	What does Google say?
2021-05-29 20:27:43	koollman	D4RKR4Z0R-Z: consider it dead and replace as soon as possible
2021-05-29 20:28:06	rascul	what does the fox say?
2021-05-29 20:28:07	koollman	and of course make sure the backups were working fine
2021-05-29 20:28:17	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	any bad blocks likely will fail yeah agreed
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2021-05-29 20:32:41	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	just used this a while back to back up JBOD to DVD
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2021-05-29 20:33:15	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	dont really need but still something to be said for working box
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2021-05-29 20:33:32	kerframil	there are almost always surface defects. at this point, the difference is that the firmware is no longer capable of transparently remapping the new ones - known as grown defects - that are emerging. I would also say: consider it dead.
2021-05-29 20:34:07	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	oh if it gets to log level its dead..  i see
2021-05-29 20:34:24	kerframil	not necessarily dead as in outright unusable but yes, it's better to look at it that way.
2021-05-29 20:35:39	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	probably suffered head crash and surrounding areas will start popping up bad as well
2021-05-29 20:36:08	kerframil	the main point is that it can't be rectified.
2021-05-29 20:36:37	kerframil	whether it be because it's out of reserve blocks, out of room to remap or some other reason.
2021-05-29 20:37:50	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	i have another hdd but this board only has 2 sata so this thing is done
2021-05-29 20:38:47	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	well i cant hotswap i guess i could fail the bad one and resync
2021-05-29 20:38:58	kerframil	yes.
2021-05-29 20:38:58	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	pff...  dunno
2021-05-29 20:39:08	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	hmm
2021-05-29 20:40:03	kerframil	it'll start syncing as soon as a replacement block device of the minimum required size is added to the array, having dropped the previous one.
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2021-05-29 20:42:17	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	ok, thanks may give a try.  pretty sure there is 500GB Hitachi collecting dust nearby
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2021-05-29 20:51:42	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	so firmware smart enough to remap even when reserve blocks exhausted?  hmm
2021-05-29 20:51:54	kerframil	no, that's impossible.
2021-05-29 20:52:05	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	oh i misunderstood
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2021-05-29 20:52:32	kerframil	there has to be a reserved sector available that can be used as a substitution and there needs to be enough room lef to store the details of the mapping.
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2021-05-29 20:53:22	kerframil	at the point that any of these conditions no longer hold true, it's downhill from thereon.
2021-05-29 20:53:48	kerframil	a reserved, healthy sector, I should say.
2021-05-29 20:53:50	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	so when 'grown defects' > reserve + remap table
2021-05-29 20:54:11	kerframil	a grown defect is one that develops above and beyond the defects that are known at the time the hard drive is shipped.
2021-05-29 20:54:26	kerframil	and which are already in the internal remapping table.
2021-05-29 20:54:27	ByteMe	join #freenode-bullshit-feedback  the official channel for commenting on rasengan's tantrums
2021-05-29 20:54:39	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	ok i see
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2021-05-29 20:55:53	triceratux	ByteMe: the drama is over. everyone left. why keep pushing it ? https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
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2021-05-29 20:56:24	ByteMe	triceratux: join #freenode-bullshit-feedback to leave an official comment regarding rasengan's little baby temper tantrum
2021-05-29 20:56:32	kerframil	to make life miserable for those that remain, obviously.
2021-05-29 20:56:41	Noir	^
2021-05-29 20:56:47	triceratux	ByteMe: just makin sure. good luck
2021-05-29 20:56:49	Noir	Seems to be the intention
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2021-05-29 20:57:25	ByteMe	triceratux: thats a great sitr
2021-05-29 20:57:28	ByteMe	*site
2021-05-29 20:57:30	ByteMe	who made it?
2021-05-29 20:57:48	Noir	ByteMe: I'd suggest putting it in ## namespace, #freenode- channels are reserved for the Freenode project
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2021-05-29 20:58:58	ByteMe	Noir: you mean for on topic projects.  And yeah, I'd rather go on claiming its official until rasengan bans me, and then come back from 20 other proxies and mock his pathetic spoiled existence
2021-05-29 20:59:23	Noir	That sounds like a great use of your time
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2021-05-29 21:00:53	triceratux	ByteMe: no idea. its in the /topic on libera ##freenode
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2021-05-29 21:01:20	triceratux	which is probably where youll get the most sympathy for yer project :)
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2021-05-29 21:15:01	ByteMe	triceratux: its not my project.  I am not staff either place.  I do value freedom and freenode before Lee never claimed total ownership of channel affairs by network staff, nor did they consider a channels OWNERS announcing a migration of their own channel to be a spam issue
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2021-05-29 21:15:44	ByteMe	trying to create user lock-in is inevitable now that commercial interests are involved and user count = advertising $$
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2021-05-29 21:16:18	ByteMe	most community leaders don't want to point people to a channel where, if they ever want to move, they won't be allowed to do so in an organized manner
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2021-05-29 21:17:08	ByteMe	Libera, like the old freenode, won't consider a channel owner to be "spamming" their own channel
2021-05-29 21:17:19	ByteMe	because the very notion is insane
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2021-05-29 21:18:50	rascul	i spam all my own channels
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2021-05-29 21:24:22	THE_GFR|WORK	hey everyone I have a Broadcom SAS HBA 9400-16i and I'm using a cable like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/283640919478 ( SFF-8087 to SFF-8643 ) and I can't get the drive locate feature to work, am I missing hardware or something else is wrong?
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2021-05-29 21:24:48	THE_GFR|WORK	connecting to my backplane but the backplane doesn't have an SGPIO connector so that's ok I thought
2021-05-29 21:24:52	THE_GFR|WORK	using storcli64
2021-05-29 21:25:02	THE_GFR|WORK	on Linux Mint 20.1
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2021-05-29 21:26:08	THE_GFR|WORK	do I need something special for this feature like different cables?
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2021-05-30 00:13:08	bsap	You guys are moving to libera.chat?
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2021-05-30 00:13:31	jim	slowly, yes
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2021-05-30 00:14:05	jim	I'm in both places right now
2021-05-30 00:14:44	bsap	Ah ok, so that answers that. So one day this channel will just cease to exist?
2021-05-30 00:14:54	jim	bsap, it turns out that some folks here are her because they chose to be
2021-05-30 00:15:56	bsap	I just know it's the best resource around so I'm glad I read that before it vanished.
2021-05-30 00:16:08	bsap	it/you guys*
2021-05-30 00:16:31	jim	not sure about that. Lee wants a following or something... otherwise, why would he be so adamant about keeping people here, and applying censorship
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2021-05-30 00:18:16	bsap	Idk who Lee is. I pop in occasionally when I can't find an answer on my own or elsewhere. Same goes for #go-nuts, `TV over there is great.
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2021-05-30 00:18:37	bsap	anyway I'm gonna get a client setup and I'll pop back in.
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2021-05-30 00:21:07	ahungry	I'm on both but seems most chat is on libera - I can't see why anyone would care what an irc server's activity level is - not like you get $ for having more users
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2021-05-30 00:23:04	jim	bsap, so... the old freenode staff are now libera staff, Lee has destroyed lots of channels, #perl for example, which was a very long-standing community here... there is -no- choice: if you're into perl at all, and you have questions, freenode's perl channel has had its ops replaced, most likely by Lee... having said that, some of the ops that are now on ##perl, I know to be friendly... it might be a good thing
2021-05-30 00:23:54	jim	oh, didn't see him leave
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2021-05-30 00:31:55	altwulf	Freenode's ##linux _has_ moved, just waiting on time to get some web sites changed around and stuff before considering how best to close the door here.
2021-05-30 00:32:16	bagira	freenode has not appointed ops in any channel from the owner.  channels that were reclaimed were abandoned.  we are restoring access for chanops who request it after abandoning their channels.
2021-05-30 00:33:17	quartz12	Will this channel close for good?
2021-05-30 00:33:25	bagira	i am not familiar with that specific case, but if there was a mistake and #perl owners changed their minds after abandoning it or violating spam policy, whichever the case may be, they can just ask for it back if they want
2021-05-30 00:33:34	bagira	no quartz12 this channel will always be here
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2021-05-30 00:35:46	altwulf	As said, what's going on with Freenode #perl and/or ##perl is a matter for the Perl community to sort out.
2021-05-30 00:35:54	bagira	yep
2021-05-30 00:36:25	bagira	there's alot of disinformation that went around last week about it
2021-05-30 00:36:45	bagira	various chanops trying to force a community move with scare tactics
2021-05-30 00:37:17	bagira	but either way ##linux is eternal on freenode
2021-05-30 00:37:22	altwulf	I am unaware of any "force" and interpret that statement as an extension of current Freenode policy.
2021-05-30 00:37:44	bagira	altwulf, it's not hard to find tbh
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2021-05-30 00:40:12	altwulf	In fact, the only "force" I've heard about is roughly 700 channels, some of them private, being "outed" and hijacked by a staff bot before their respective actual owners were ready to consider their moves to another net in sufficient state of completion.
2021-05-30 00:40:37	ByteMe	bagira: the majority of them mainly mentioned that the leaders were moving their official channel, not closing the ones on Freenode.  Also, don't pretend nothing has changed - before Lee, Freenode NEVER had a problem with channel ownership closing a channel or ever labeled anything done by channel ownership as spam.
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2021-05-30 00:41:34	altwulf	I find it highly suspicious that Freenode now considers any statement that a project or community has moved elsewhere as "spam".
2021-05-30 00:41:57	bagira	altwulf, that's the disinformation i was talking about.  the bot reclaimed both abandoned channels and channels that were violating the spam policy.  quite a few channel owners changed their mind and reclaimed their channels.  abandoned ones were forwarded from the #primary to the ##community channel for that topic and the communities were given owners to people affiliated with those projects.
2021-05-30 00:42:31	ByteMe	bagira: don't try to pretend this isn't a takeover of channels in the sense that the inner workings of a channel's community, to the extent that it doesn't conspire to harass others, was always (pre-Lee) a chanop/channel founder decision, and is only under Lee becoming a staff decision
2021-05-30 00:42:41	altwulf	Why is an announcement that a channel is moving to another net "spam"?
2021-05-30 00:42:58	bagira	altwulf, it's not
2021-05-30 00:43:09	LissajousPattern	Because it is
2021-05-30 00:43:39	altwulf	Then why were such messages targeted as spam, citing "violation of Freenode policy" as the reason to turn a channel upside-down?
2021-05-30 00:43:54	bagira	well i guess technically it would be to LissajousPattern's point, but we actually were ignoring those
2021-05-30 00:44:09	ByteMe	i.e. freenode staff before  would intervene if #gentoo's founder/admin used the /topic to encourage users to brigade #archlinux, that would be a network staff issue.  But if #gentoo said ANYTHING AT ALL THAT THEY WANTED about #gentoo in the #gentoo topic, pre-Lee freenode staff would mind their own business
2021-05-30 00:44:45	ByteMe	bagira: the notion of channel ownership is being fundamentally changed with minimal discussion.
2021-05-30 00:44:59	LissajousPattern	Which is great
2021-05-30 00:45:02	altwulf	Actually, virtually none.
2021-05-30 00:45:03	bagira	right, so is the notion of user ownership.
2021-05-30 00:45:08	bagira	nobody owns these users
2021-05-30 00:45:25	bagira	most of those channels that were reclaimed had kicked all the users out and set to invite only at that point
2021-05-30 00:45:25	altwulf	Precisely so; many thousands have left.
2021-05-30 00:45:59	altwulf	Not so. Many had simply been set +mz.
2021-05-30 00:46:00	LissajousPattern	Some people just wanna chat about Linux
2021-05-30 00:46:04	bagira	which was hostile towards the users and forcing them to change where they congregate at the damage of the network, and might i add under false pretenses propagated by a smear campaign
2021-05-30 00:46:26	ByteMe	bagira: most of them did not.  The bot took over all channels that mentioned Libera, regardless of saying that there is a secondary chan there, or the Libera one is the project's official one, or that it was an all out move
2021-05-30 00:46:26	altwulf	LissajousPattern: that can be done on another net, I fear. Freenode has become too highly political.
2021-05-30 00:46:36	bagira	he means less political
2021-05-30 00:46:48	bagira	these users are no longer able to be blacklisted or excluded based on predatory lies
2021-05-30 00:47:04	bagira	they have more freedom than at any other point in the last 15 years
2021-05-30 00:47:05	altwulf	You'll win no argument using loaded language.
2021-05-30 00:47:32	bagira	it's not even really an argument its just clarification of misunderstandings of what's going on there
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2021-05-30 00:47:42	altwulf	There was no misunderstanding.
2021-05-30 00:47:42	LissajousPattern	Only because no one is here as op
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2021-05-30 00:48:13	bagira	i think of it as a "reset" on broken power structures that were hurting more than helping and in some cases by design
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2021-05-30 00:48:21	altwulf	One old op left, a new one is on board, most of the rest have not left this place yet.
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2021-05-30 00:48:36	LissajousPattern	Cool
2021-05-30 00:49:00	ByteMe	bagira: additionally, if a formal STRUCTURE exists (i.e. the project has a leadership, as a project, not just a freenode channel - gentoo linux  for example), then what place does Freenode have in that?  If you don't want to offer your services, close the channel.  But to assume the role of project leaders for every open source project and decide where their official channel should be is insane and fraudulent
2021-05-30 00:49:01	LissajousPattern	So why not talk about political things in ##politics
2021-05-30 00:49:04	LissajousPattern	?
2021-05-30 00:49:11	altwulf	You'll win no argument with loaded language. Users will compare notes with other nets, and decide for themselves what works best for them on a one-by-one basis.
2021-05-30 00:49:29	bagira	ByteMe, oh whoa, who said anything about a project's official channel
2021-05-30 00:49:38	bagira	i haven't been talking about that
2021-05-30 00:50:04	bagira	a project can have their "official channel" anywhere they want, they just can't force users to use it
2021-05-30 00:50:22	bagira	some have tried and they had a little success with that at the cost of bifurcating half of the open source world
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2021-05-30 00:50:27	LissajousPattern	So then what is the big hubub
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2021-05-30 00:50:57	ByteMe	bagira: and directing users who are joining the until-it-was-taken-over official channel into an unofficial channel under the same name thats not labeled unofficial is fucked uo
2021-05-30 00:51:32	bagira	ByteMe, so get in touch with whoever runs the community channel and have them update the topic, i dont care what their topic says or doesn't say tbh
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2021-05-30 00:52:01	ByteMe	bagira: The projects that have a coherent leadership structure can migrate, you interfered deliberately in their ability to communicate their changes.  and they did not close the channel here, you did
2021-05-30 00:52:04	altwulf	I thought Freenode's present owner _wanted_ the various projects formerly on Freenode to be... what was that word? Decentralised? Federated?
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2021-05-30 00:52:41	ByteMe	the "split" is caused by deliberate sabotage of the project's communication by a platform they used to be able to trust
2021-05-30 00:52:43	bagira	if a project's leadership is so threatened by a shift in power structures that prevents them from ritual defamation and cyberlynching, exclusionary tactics like blacklisting, then they really don't fit with what the freenode value system was supposed to have been and used to be
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2021-05-30 00:53:03	LissajousPattern	hahahaha
2021-05-30 00:53:07	altwulf	More loaded language, Bagira? Is that all Freenode has to offer now?
2021-05-30 00:53:08	bagira	decentralized
2021-05-30 00:53:22	bagira	altwulf, im sorry that some words are hard for you to argue against
2021-05-30 00:53:31	LissajousPattern	decentralized is usually a good thing
2021-05-30 00:53:33	altwulf	Um, no, they're just hard to support.
2021-05-30 00:53:39	ByteMe	bagira: then you should help (or at least not stop) them from efficiently communicating their migration and leaving your network.  And if they DO close their channel here, then start an unofficial one
2021-05-30 00:54:00	LissajousPattern	This is all silly as fuck
2021-05-30 00:54:15	ByteMe	bagira: you are trying to deliberately let users believe their project hasn't moved, simply because you think it shouldn't have
2021-05-30 00:54:28	altwulf	LissajousPattern: other nets await. Conditions here show very little sign of improving in the near future.
2021-05-30 00:54:33	bagira	ByteMe, sounds confused; a migration implies a transfer of some sort.  a movement.  movement implies there will not be a channel after a chanop goes to another network to prop up a new sign and channel.  that is simply not the case.
2021-05-30 00:54:57	LissajousPattern	altwulf I disagree they are just progressing a bit slowly.
2021-05-30 00:54:57	bagira	chanops don't own their communities
2021-05-30 00:55:02	bagira	projects don't either
2021-05-30 00:55:05	bagira	they are people
2021-05-30 00:55:22	LissajousPattern	Once people get over their entitlement complexes things will probably stabilize.
2021-05-30 00:55:25	bagira	who are not beholden to project leadership about where they congregate
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2021-05-30 00:56:35	ByteMe	bagira: you blame the leadership structure that chose to put the channel on freenode and has the same right to choose to put it elsewhere for splitting the communities.  But you clearly know (and greatly fear) the fact that, if you did not sabotage the communication about the move, it wouldn't be a split at all.  Because generally the leadership is there for a reason and if people didn't trust it then the project would have fallen apart long ago unrelated to
2021-05-30 00:56:36	bagira	yeah lissa, it's a paradigm shift, no one likes change, especially people who are benefiting from the status quo.  you're going to see a concentration of folks who reject the concept at play and those communities will realize that as time goes on in the other place.
2021-05-30 00:57:04	bagira	i for one would not relocate with an environment that engaged in those kinds of behaviours
2021-05-30 00:57:21	bagira	mostly because im free
2021-05-30 00:57:33	altwulf	The other place is growing at an astonishing rate, and Freenode, in terms of numbers at the network level, is in sharp decline. I would say that people have voted with their feet.
2021-05-30 00:57:39	ByteMe	bagira: No, of course the users can stay.  but they have a right to know that the leaders they have chosen would like to move, and to do with that as they will.  If someone shuts down the channel of course you should reopen it as a community channel
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2021-05-30 00:57:53	bagira	altwulf, well, you say alot of things :P
2021-05-30 00:57:56	ByteMe	bagira: very few channels +m or +i'd their channels
2021-05-30 00:58:34	bagira	ByteMe, whoa whoa whoa.. "chosen"?  No, the chan users did not "choose" those people.  They were forced on them by oligarchal power structures.
2021-05-30 00:58:37	ByteMe	bagira: most of them were to stay open indefinitely (and MANY projects already have channels on multiple networks).  They merely communicated that their "official" one had changed.  No threat that you must leave freenode and go there
2021-05-30 00:59:15	ByteMe	bagira: I'm referring to the single-# channels.  The PROJECTS have leadership structures.  They have gitbhubs and mailing lists and meetings etc
2021-05-30 00:59:27	altwulf	Not all.
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2021-05-30 01:00:12	bagira	ByteMe, simply untrue.  There were hundreds of spam violations that were volatile and had to be addressed, and in the majority of those cases they were channels that had been abandoned, many of which had set +i after setting the topic to a big advertisement, alot of which were defamatory or misleading
2021-05-30 01:00:39	ByteMe	bagira: most people would not have left because the "official" chan changed.  Look how popular #debian was a week ago, and the official was OFTC for years
2021-05-30 01:00:59	bagira	in over a hundred cases they had kicked the whole channel to clear it and then set a * ban
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2021-05-30 01:01:20	altwulf	The "spam" involved explicit reference to another net.
2021-05-30 01:01:31	bagira	ByteMe, also not true, irc.debian.org has been on oftc for a very long time
2021-05-30 01:01:47	alyx	i will forever be impressed at how hard staff bends over backwards to convince themselves they were the good guys here.
2021-05-30 01:01:50	ByteMe	bagira: thats what I said
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2021-05-30 01:02:12	bagira	ByteMe, no i mean officially
2021-05-30 01:02:21	LissajousPattern	These same projects could easily just implement the IRC protocol on their website to offer support.
2021-05-30 01:02:21	bagira	it's been their "home" for forever
2021-05-30 01:02:28	ByteMe	bagira: it was official on OFTC and unofficial on freenode for years.  But until thos "freenode staff actively involves themselves in intra-channel affairs" crap
2021-05-30 01:02:40	ByteMe	nobody left #debian for the "official" OFTX
2021-05-30 01:02:44	LissajousPattern	Why not just do that instead of the network war that has ensued?
2021-05-30 01:02:46	ByteMe	OFTC i mean
2021-05-30 01:02:52	bagira	great so now they have channels on three networks instead of 2
2021-05-30 01:02:53	ByteMe	The #debian on freenode also thrived
2021-05-30 01:02:55	bagira	everybody won
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2021-05-30 01:03:12	is0ke3	bagira: name those channels? and isn't it true that a bot hijacked some channels?
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2021-05-30 01:03:31	ByteMe	bagira: My point is, as shown by #debian, channels don't just empty because the topic said "the official one is on irc.other.network"
2021-05-30 01:03:35	altwulf	is0ke3: about 700 of them.
2021-05-30 01:03:38	LissajousPattern	This is all absurd
2021-05-30 01:03:50	bagira	is0ke3, there were a bunch of channels that got reclaimed after being abandoned, set to forward form # to ## and then the ## was issued to either the group owner or a new owner
2021-05-30 01:04:05	ByteMe	bagira: but that, combined with absurd rapid changes in the involvement of freenode staff in intra-channel stuff, DOES scare the shit out of communities
2021-05-30 01:04:06	is0ke3	altwulf: maybe bagira can explain to us the reason why the bots did it. :)
2021-05-30 01:04:14	altwulf	How were new owners selected?
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2021-05-30 01:04:35	LissajousPattern	Wasn't it just a land grab?
2021-05-30 01:05:05	is0ke3	bagira: not an answer though, is it true that a bot hijacked some channels?
2021-05-30 01:05:20	bagira	ByteMe, if that were true it would be understandable, but the biggest upset for these communities is the rumor of intra-channel stuff; we have actually removed that facility from our service offerings (i.e. people can no longer lie about a user to put them in bad standing with the network and that's what really scares these older power structures)
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2021-05-30 01:05:42	ByteMe	bagira: if you had reopened the chans that actually banned everyone / muted the chat indefinitely, rather than grabbing all chans that mentioned having another chan on Libera, most people wouldn't be upset.  you would have enhanced user choice and not stolen chans that were NOT abandoned
2021-05-30 01:06:00	bagira	ByteMe, i agree with that but that's not what happened
2021-05-30 01:06:32	bagira	are you surprised that I say that?  you shouldn't be. I don't blindly agree with everything.
2021-05-30 01:06:39	ByteMe	bagira: if you agree then you are one of the few good ones
2021-05-30 01:07:02	altwulf	Perhaps. Time will tell, and not enough has elapsed yet.
2021-05-30 01:07:25	LissajousPattern	^
2021-05-30 01:07:31	bagira	nope it'll take some time for the dust to settle.
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2021-05-30 01:07:45	bagira	it's a positive roadmap though that will liberate alot of people.
2021-05-30 01:07:55	bagira	and has
2021-05-30 01:08:04	altwulf	I've seen this "liberation" and am not encouraged.
2021-05-30 01:08:14	is0ke3	bagira: is it true that the bot hijacked some channels?
2021-05-30 01:08:43	ByteMe	I think it's understandable (even if it turns out to be false) for users and project leads alike, to fear what appears to be a change from voluntarily being on freenode to making it hard to leave.  If Google decided all of a sudden I couldn't export my gmail contacts and chrome bookmarks, I'd say they're creating user lock-in making it harder to leave in preparation to stop having to care about keeping users happy
2021-05-30 01:08:43	bagira	well it is good altwulf that you've never been repressed like that, but for the people who were it's been celebratory.  we're getting more fan mail than hate mail.
2021-05-30 01:09:30	bagira	bad analogy really
2021-05-30 01:09:34	ByteMe	bagira: from productive open source devs that further the missions freenode was founded to support?  Or from trolls?
2021-05-30 01:09:39	Tabmow	is0ke3: that is 'true' - the intention was to re-open channels that had been forcibly closed, to allow the people in the community that wanted to stay here to have a channel of their own. Unfortunately some channels were also caught up in this incorrectly, which we have been rectifying since.
2021-05-30 01:10:09	altwulf	What right did FN staff have to reverse project owner decisions in this manner?
2021-05-30 01:10:20	Tabmow	As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions...
2021-05-30 01:10:23	is0ke3	Tabmow: forcibly closed?
2021-05-30 01:10:25	bagira	ByteMe, tbh most of the most vocal trolls are people embedded in the old staff's social structure who are angry that they can't abuse people or withold their access to the things that they love
2021-05-30 01:10:39	LissajousPattern	^
2021-05-30 01:11:10	altwulf	bagira, in that case, I would suggest that the power to ban or quiet people be removed from the ircd's capabilities.
2021-05-30 01:11:12	ByteMe	bagira: Suppose a community is looking to start an IRC channel right now.  On Libera (like freenode used to be), they can put their own structure in place and if it doesn't disrupt the rest of the network it won't be interfered with by outsiders (network staff)..  Even if its decision is to leave at some point.
2021-05-30 01:11:26	altwulf	In fact, I would suggest that the ircd's power to set +m be removed.
2021-05-30 01:11:46	ByteMe	Why would they choose a network that superimposes an outside power structure onto their means of communication (the current freenode)
2021-05-30 01:11:47	bagira	altwulf, i wish that could be done, but they're still necessary tools in some cases.  You would have to change human nature to remove the utility entirely.
2021-05-30 01:11:53	Tabmow	altwulf: if communities didn't want an official presence on freenode, we were allowing the users to have an unofficial presence on freenode. It's not about what rights we had or not...
2021-05-30 01:11:57	is0ke3	Tabmow: what do you mean by forcibly closed? Like those 700+ channels closed themselves?
2021-05-30 01:11:59	nb	altwulf good idea.  I have seen new staff abuse their power to ban former staff simply for joining the network
2021-05-30 01:12:07	unaffiliated	bagira: Excuse me. My I enquire as to why you are ban evading? Are staff allowed to ban evade once given a staff cloak? I notices this one the ban list. "[##linux] [68] *!*@*surro/founder/phanes banned by..."
2021-05-30 01:12:42	Tabmow	is0ke3: Specifically, the channels that some groups had set +m and +i in most cases, where people either couldn't join there anymore, or could join but not chat.
2021-05-30 01:12:44	altwulf	Yes. If Freenode is to be truly free, let there be no channel operators, and let staff occupy itself exclusively with just keeping the ircds running and linked.
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2021-05-30 01:13:12	is0ke3	Tabmow: all 700+ of them?
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2021-05-30 01:13:38	bagira	altwulf, there are still community services that need to be provided
2021-05-30 01:13:38	altwulf	Ladies and gentlemen, bear in mind that Bagira is now Freenode staff, as is Tabmow.
2021-05-30 01:13:40	Tabmow	is0ke3: no, that was the mistake - some channels were caught up in that incorrectly and we have been fixing those since.
2021-05-30 01:14:02	[R]	altwulf: really? i thought they just loved freenode because its the best irc network...
2021-05-30 01:14:03	 *	[R] giggles
2021-05-30 01:14:05	bagira	altwulf, we still support the community, we just don't exclude people
2021-05-30 01:14:07	is0ke3	Tabmow: how many channels where caught up? And why did they got caught up?
2021-05-30 01:14:13	ByteMe	bagira: the communities that started channels on freenode did it under the pretense that freenode isn't an outside power structure superimposed over their own.  They were to run their own affairs.  That changed.  A lot of them are pissed and I'm not surprised
2021-05-30 01:14:46	nb	bagira then why were former staff klined and nickserv accounts frozen if you don't exclude people?
2021-05-30 01:14:46	altwulf	bagira, if that's true, why are so many #freenode* channels set +mz? Doesn't this infringe on freedom of speech?
2021-05-30 01:15:04	LissajousPattern	freedom of speech?
2021-05-30 01:15:12	bagira	ByteMe, anywhere you go there will be norms and policies to follow.  This is a result of humans doing what humans do in close or regular habitation.  It's a product of existing in a community.
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2021-05-30 01:15:34	LissajousPattern	Community?
2021-05-30 01:15:45	ByteMe	There was no community lock-in or ban on trying to migrate elsewhere at the time the channels were set up.  They likely would not have come here if they were told "if you build a community here, you can never encourage your project to move elsewhere (or even co-exist elsewhere)"
2021-05-30 01:15:49	LambdaComplex	cool cool cool
2021-05-30 01:16:02	LambdaComplex	LissajousPattern: did i do it right?
2021-05-30 01:16:22	LissajousPattern	Yes
2021-05-30 01:16:29	bagira	ByteMe, encouragement is one thing, forcing is another entirely; also spam is common sense.
2021-05-30 01:16:30	LambdaComplex	we're streets ahead
2021-05-30 01:16:40	Tabmow	is0ke3: the decision made was too hasty and we incorrectly included channels that were in fact still open but had mentioned 'Libera' in their topic. In hindsight was a silly mistake, but at the time some staff were inundated with lots of messages from users wanting channels re-opened.
2021-05-30 01:16:46	LissajousPattern	Indeed
2021-05-30 01:17:01	Tabmow	Lessons learned, better to take some time and get it right...
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2021-05-30 01:17:23	altwulf	Yes, and stop calling it "spam" when people tell others to move to another net.
2021-05-30 01:17:40	bagira	Tabmow, i can agree to that.  I think it could have been executed with better communication and lead time.  I regret that part of it.  All we can do is keep helping and learning.
2021-05-30 01:17:50	bagira	it is spam
2021-05-30 01:17:58	ByteMe	bagira: see, you see freenode as its own community.  Rather than an infrastructure in which many communities exist.  And you see freenode staff as determining for every channel what spam means.  Freenode has never considered channel leadership to be "spamming" their own channels
2021-05-30 01:17:59	is0ke3	Tabmow: so you did hijacked channels that did mention 'Libera' on their topic? Why would you do that?
2021-05-30 01:18:29	bagira	altwulf, when i was a reg here i would get banned for using my own self-hosted pastebin to show console logs under the spam policy lol just fyi, spam is a big deal to organizations
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2021-05-30 01:18:31	Tabmow	is0ke3: I'm not sure how I can put it anymore succinctly than I already have...
2021-05-30 01:18:33	altwulf	It is not spam, and a further example of Freenode suppressing free speech.
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2021-05-30 01:19:06	bagira	altwulf, well, i see your words and recognize them as words.
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2021-05-30 01:19:34	is0ke3	Tabmow: not a silly mistake if it affects a lot of people though.
2021-05-30 01:19:35	Tabmow	altwulf: there are 2 types of things going on here, we have banned over 500+ bots and counting that randomly join channels and ask people to move to Libera (this is spam). People genuinely letting their users know that their official IRC presence is now in Libera is not spam.
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2021-05-30 01:19:41	altwulf	Thank you for recognising that I am probably a human being.
2021-05-30 01:20:03	nb	Tabmow oh wow, so we are officially allowed to let people know that now?
2021-05-30 01:20:05	LissajousPattern	Why would someone have expectations of free speech on a privately owned network?
2021-05-30 01:20:07	altwulf	Tabmow: it was the justification used for hijacking # channels.
2021-05-30 01:20:10	nb	at one time I was told that would be "spam" or "advertising"
2021-05-30 01:20:25	bagira	nb, you were always allowed to tell people where your official presence is, that was misinformation
2021-05-30 01:20:27	altwulf	So policy has changed?
2021-05-30 01:20:31	bagira	no
2021-05-30 01:20:32	is0ke3	Tabmow: i'm just wondering your reasons? I mean why would you hijack some channels that had 'Libera' on their topic?
2021-05-30 01:20:39	bagira	this is part of the smear campaign
2021-05-30 01:20:55	Tabmow	is0ke3: you seem to be asking the same questions I've already answered... read up.
2021-05-30 01:20:57	altwulf	I saw logs. It happened.
2021-05-30 01:21:04	ByteMe	bagira: freenode staff's involvement with spam previously was generally cross-channel stuff.  Also obvious bots.  It was NEVER about what channel's independent leadership does with their /topic.  There have always been websites, and sometimes (most notably #debian) other IRC networks mentioned in various channels, including /topic, by its founders
2021-05-30 01:21:18	bagira	ByteMe, it was network-wide not just cross-channel
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2021-05-30 01:21:34	is0ke3	Tabmow: as far as i know the debian channel had OFTC on their topic too.
2021-05-30 01:21:47	is0ke3	Tabmow: can you quote your answer please?
2021-05-30 01:21:52	Tabmow	nb: I don't necessarily agree with some things that were done... I may understand why though.
2021-05-30 01:22:04	bagira	ByteMe, if that were really the issue you'd be petitioning to have the spam policy revised instead of screaming for people to relocate and clearing channels
2021-05-30 01:22:11	Tabmow	is0ke3: <Tabmow> is0ke3: Specifically, the channels that some groups had set +m and +i in most cases, where people either couldn't join there anymore, or could join but not chat.
2021-05-30 01:22:14	LissajousPattern	Things are different now because change is an inevitability in life.
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2021-05-30 01:22:45	ByteMe	bagira: it was /topic on +t channels.  Even if they ended up saying the same thing, each channel's leadership was communicating as they wished.  It wasn't cross channel by one actor, it was a lot of people being unhappy about the same thing and reaching the same conclusion in their respective communities
2021-05-30 01:23:05	ByteMe	bagira: +t literally means unauthorized persons cannot have set the /topic
2021-05-30 01:23:15	is0ke3	Tabmow: that's not an answer as far as i'm concerned. I'm asking as too why did you hijacked that channels that had 'Libera' on their topic?
2021-05-30 01:23:27	is0ke3	*the channels
2021-05-30 01:23:33	ByteMe	it wasn't like some bot was roaming the network PMing everyone "go to libera.chat".  That would be spam
2021-05-30 01:24:00	bagira	ByteMe, unfortunately there's more to it than that.  There are a group of ex-staffers who were using rumors and innuendo to attack the appearance of the network's integrity and ethical disposition to misinform project leadership to force the change after being removed.
2021-05-30 01:24:15	bagira	And it was network-wide.
2021-05-30 01:24:16	LissajousPattern	When emotions drive the bus it crashes and kills all the occupants.
2021-05-30 01:24:18	Tabmow	is0ke3: just because you don't like the answer, doesn't mean it isn't one. That was deemed the best way to re-open those channels which were closed (in hindsight it wasn't the best way at all).
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2021-05-30 01:24:43	altwulf	It was idiotic to make any such move to begin with.
2021-05-30 01:24:44	jim	how does any of this apply to linux? let's steer back.
2021-05-30 01:24:56	ByteMe	bagira: forbidding mentioning a competitor is virtually unprecedented even in the anti-competitive world of tech.  Even Twitter didn't ban merely mentioning that you also have a Facebook, a Parler and a TikTok you'd like people to also check out
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2021-05-30 01:25:04	 *	altwulf recognises jim as ##linux op with greater seniority
2021-05-30 01:25:06	is0ke3	Tabmow: cause it isn't. That just answers as to why 'some' of those channels were closed.
2021-05-30 01:25:27	bagira	ByteMe, jim is the op here and has clarified the topic, let's be respectful and take it to pm if you'd like to continue
2021-05-30 01:25:36	ByteMe	bagira: I can host pro-Bing content on Google Sites pages and put it in a Google Drive document
2021-05-30 01:25:41	ByteMe	okay sure
2021-05-30 01:25:47	altwulf	Just take it to ##linux-offtopic and fight all you want.
2021-05-30 01:25:55	LissajousPattern	jim you are the best
2021-05-30 01:26:11	Tabmow	ByteMe: to be fair, the freenode policy has always had inappropriate advertising as off-topic for the network. https://freenode.net/policies#off-topic-use - it just depends what you interpret as inappropriate.
2021-05-30 01:26:16	ByteMe	it's after midnight so I should sleep instead
2021-05-30 01:26:21	LissajousPattern	Put these whipper snappers in line.
2021-05-30 01:26:40	is0ke3	jim: sorry, i was just wondering but i'll just move on.
2021-05-30 01:26:53	jim	the way we can do this, is as usual: take a few minutes, during which, find a common place to continue, and invite them there
2021-05-30 01:27:10	ByteMe	Tabmow: "inappropriate" wasn't defined, so it always fell to chanops
2021-05-30 01:27:15	LissajousPattern	We talk Linux round here in these parts. Kick rocks and take your politico bullshit somewhere else.
2021-05-30 01:27:42	bagira	does anybody know if there's been a pure C rewrite of i3?
2021-05-30 01:27:53	Tabmow	jim: understood, it's hard to get a rational discussion going and inevitable the script kiddies come to play in the 'official' freenode channels :)
2021-05-30 01:28:03	jim	now now, no need for hostility or being triggered
2021-05-30 01:28:28	is0ke3	Tabmow: nice talking to you btw. I appreciate that you catered most of my questions but hopefully you can answer them in a straightforward manner some other time.
2021-05-30 01:28:49	altwulf	More loaded language, tabmow? It doesn't win any arguments. ##linux-offtopic, please.
2021-05-30 01:30:03	jim	since bagira seemed to be leading the discussion, bagira, why not find a place to continue? find an empty ## channel, announce, or /invite (normally that would be a mass invite, but for this purpose, it should be cool)
2021-05-30 01:30:35	jim	try announcing first
2021-05-30 01:30:47	bagira	i really dig i3-wm but i'd kind of like to see a rewrite that is pure C
2021-05-30 01:30:58	bagira	all the perl dependencies and lua seem unnecessary
2021-05-30 01:31:06	jim	what's it written in? oh, perl?
2021-05-30 01:31:13	bagira	no its mostly C
2021-05-30 01:31:27	altwulf	perl and lua, both higher level languages than C. A rewrite would be a *project*.
2021-05-30 01:31:32	jim	the thing about lua, is it's fast
2021-05-30 01:31:33	bagira	it just uses some funky build tools and bundles some dependencies up with it
2021-05-30 01:31:56	altwulf	What funky build tools?
2021-05-30 01:32:00	bagira	if they went with a makefile driven build i think that project would become alot more popular
2021-05-30 01:32:07	bagira	altwulf, last i checked i think it was meson
2021-05-30 01:32:28	altwulf	Ugh. I remember wrestling with ninja and losing badlhy.
2021-05-30 01:32:34	altwulf	Badly.
2021-05-30 01:32:43	jim	well, I'm not sure about that... a lot of linux users are totally unaware of build tools and such
2021-05-30 01:32:48	bagira	yeah its just...it feels real clanky, and that's my scientific opinion
2021-05-30 01:33:29	jim	it depends on lua -and- perl?
2021-05-30 01:33:29	altwulf	A "scientific feeling".
2021-05-30 01:33:41	bagira	tbh i dont think anyone who would want a tiling manager that's keyboard driven would fall into the category of not caring about the build
2021-05-30 01:33:42	altwulf	jim, lua can be embedded.
2021-05-30 01:33:44	LambdaComplex	i'm guessing Sway doesn't count?
2021-05-30 01:33:54	bagira	sway does
2021-05-30 01:33:57	bagira	its for wayland though
2021-05-30 01:34:05	LambdaComplex	well, yeah. that's why i guessed it wouldn't count :P
2021-05-30 01:34:07	jim	sway, isnt that the wayland i3?
2021-05-30 01:34:08	bagira	and doesnt have a gaps setting
2021-05-30 01:34:11	bagira	it is
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2021-05-30 01:34:17	LambdaComplex	i thought i3 didn't have gaps either
2021-05-30 01:34:21	LambdaComplex	i thought i3 with gaps was a fork
2021-05-30 01:34:26	LambdaComplex	or did that change since i last checked?
2021-05-30 01:34:39	bagira	well it kinda does and kinda doesn't and kinda is and kinda isn't.  the guy who does the gaps project is a heavy contributor to i3
2021-05-30 01:34:58	LambdaComplex	how very straightforward
2021-05-30 01:35:01	bagira	both projects move forward in tandem
2021-05-30 01:35:05	bagira	closely aligned
2021-05-30 01:35:11	bagira	but never merge for some reason
2021-05-30 01:35:30	bagira	the codebase stays almost identical
2021-05-30 01:35:32	jim	whats gaps do?
2021-05-30 01:35:37	bagira	makes it pretty
2021-05-30 01:35:56	bagira	instead of the tiles being || it adds | space |
2021-05-30 01:36:00	jim	so it's a way to style the i3 panes?
2021-05-30 01:36:16	bagira	jim, padding between the tiles
2021-05-30 01:36:26	jim	oh ok
2021-05-30 01:36:32	bagira	all user configurable and with options for different padding size based on view context
2021-05-30 01:36:55	bagira	it also greatly improves readability somehow
2021-05-30 01:37:11	bagira	or seems to
2021-05-30 01:37:14	bagira	could be psychosomatic
2021-05-30 01:38:51	bagira	the only thing i dont like about i3 is that no matter how much you tweak the bars or swap them out they're never finished
2021-05-30 01:41:27	jim	these bars act as borders between panes?
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2021-05-30 01:42:01	gnux	hi ji,
2021-05-30 01:42:05	gnux	hi jim
2021-05-30 01:42:10	bagira	no i3 has a bar concept that is like...on the bottom or top of the screen that shows which virtual desktop your on and provides other status bar functions
2021-05-30 01:42:23	bagira	*you're
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2021-05-30 01:42:46	jim	I used to play with i3, for like a month
2021-05-30 01:43:22	bagira	its like vim...everybody is like "gah" the first few whiles when they use it, but after you burn it in it's hard to imagine using something else
2021-05-30 01:43:36	bagira	something about stripping away almost everything from the desktop environment really changes your perspective on what you need
2021-05-30 01:43:41	jim	I went back, forgot exactly why, might have been cut/paste commands didn't work right
2021-05-30 01:43:46	LambdaComplex	hey, i haven't touched my bspwm setup in ages :P
2021-05-30 01:43:49	LambdaComplex	speak for yourself, bagira!
2021-05-30 01:43:53	bagira	heh
2021-05-30 01:44:00	jim	gnux, hi
2021-05-30 01:44:02	LambdaComplex	i keep swearing i'll write my own WM eventually
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2021-05-30 01:44:07	bagira	ill admit for a few years i was using a riced out XFCE w/ compiz just because it was so flipping cool
2021-05-30 01:44:11	LambdaComplex	i also think i swore i'd try awesomewm at some point
2021-05-30 01:44:21	jim	err, gnuxdeveloper, hi
2021-05-30 01:44:29	LambdaComplex	bagira: ...i may have used xfce with bspwm for a bit
2021-05-30 01:44:34	LambdaComplex	followed by bspwm with xfce4-panel
2021-05-30 01:44:44	bagira	i miss using fluxbox alot
2021-05-30 01:44:45	LambdaComplex	(xfce handles the replacement of its WM surprisingly well)
2021-05-30 01:44:53	bagira	but need those tiles now
2021-05-30 01:44:57	LambdaComplex	same
2021-05-30 01:45:05	LambdaComplex	now if only steam would play along with tiling WMs
2021-05-30 01:45:12	LambdaComplex	or maybe it's EWMH that it ignores?
2021-05-30 01:45:14	bagira	it does for me
2021-05-30 01:45:25	bagira	im not a big steam player
2021-05-30 01:45:27	jim	yeah, I was running xfce + i3 for a bit
2021-05-30 01:45:40	bagira	i tried using it last year and got pissed because alot of the linux game compat sucked
2021-05-30 01:45:45	LambdaComplex	sometimes steam will open a window and decide it needs to be on a certain workspace for me NO MATTER WHAT I TELL IT
2021-05-30 01:45:47	LambdaComplex	:(
2021-05-30 01:45:55	bagira	yeah i get that sometimes
2021-05-30 01:46:01	bagira	you can force it with the window class in the config
2021-05-30 01:46:05	bagira	but should ya have to?
2021-05-30 01:46:15	LambdaComplex	i should probably look into that
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2021-05-30 01:46:33	LambdaComplex	and no i should not have to :P
2021-05-30 01:46:39	bagira	LambdaComplex, yeah check out a tool called xprop to identify the window class, and the i3 docs for forcing a class to a virtual desktop
2021-05-30 01:46:56	bagira	you can also force it out of full screen so you dont lose functionality
2021-05-30 01:46:58	LambdaComplex	i'm pretty sure bspwm does have a similar feature
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2021-05-30 01:47:57	LambdaComplex	https://github.com/baskerville/bspwm/blob/master/examples/bspwmrc#L14-L18
2021-05-30 01:48:01	LambdaComplex	those, i guess
2021-05-30 01:48:03	LambdaComplex	never actually used them
2021-05-30 01:48:21	LambdaComplex	 -a, --add (<class_name>|*)[:(<instance_name>|*)]
2021-05-30 01:48:26	LambdaComplex	sounds promising
2021-05-30 01:48:32	bagira	LambdaComplex, nice we're both in the roman numeral virtual desktop club
2021-05-30 01:48:52	bagira	that's class
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2021-05-30 01:49:19	LambdaComplex	eh, my primary monitor is binary and my secondary monitor is decimal :^)
2021-05-30 01:49:24	LambdaComplex	bspc monitor "DVI-I-1" -d 000 001 010 011 100 101 110 111
2021-05-30 01:49:31	LambdaComplex	bspc monitor "DVI-D-0" -d 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
2021-05-30 01:49:32	bagira	eek
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2021-05-30 01:50:09	bagira	that would break my brain
2021-05-30 01:50:14	LambdaComplex	i just have circles as my workspace indicators so it's not like i ever see those names anyways
2021-05-30 01:50:20	bagira	lol
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2021-05-30 01:52:16	bagira	but yeah man, linux desktops are a pioneer space, there needs to be a major divestiture from gnome and kde to foster more innovation in that space
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2021-05-30 01:55:56	jim	I saw an interview with a couple rh devs, who are working on something called patternfly, which has the potential to support apps that "feel" the same as each other
2021-05-30 01:56:16	bagira	what that does that mean
2021-05-30 01:56:24	bagira	blah.  what does that mean though
2021-05-30 01:56:35	altwulf	I personally think it's a great thing to have a variety of desktops, but you leave my KDE alone!
2021-05-30 01:56:42	mlu	it's like systemd, but for frontend :)
2021-05-30 01:56:52	mlu	or it sounds like clearlooks for the 2020s
2021-05-30 01:57:04	jim	apparantly patternfly is a gui toolkit that has ui elements
2021-05-30 01:57:26	bagira	honestly i like that concept better than i like using a ui library like gtk or Qt just to get a modern looking app, and even those are preffered over these flatpak distributed electron monstrosities
2021-05-30 01:58:26	bagira	the demos look gnome-preferred
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2021-05-30 01:58:33	jim	I have a lot less time to learn a "monstrosity" these days... I'm trying to learn to write songa
2021-05-30 01:58:37	jim	songs
2021-05-30 01:58:49	mlu	looks very web-centric to me
2021-05-30 01:58:50	bagira	has jim become a bard?
2021-05-30 01:59:00	mlu	IMO, it looks like a grown-up version of Material UI
2021-05-30 01:59:10	bagira	it does have a material vibe
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2021-05-30 02:00:38	jim	I've been doing music for a long time... lots and lots of music theory mostly
2021-05-30 02:00:56	bagira	nice.  i played guitar for about 21 years and then just put it down one day and never touched it again. :/
2021-05-30 02:01:08	bagira	i was a big vai and satriani fan
2021-05-30 02:01:28	bagira	theory is fun
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2021-05-30 02:02:25	bagira	im holding out for your latest EP entitled "Death to Phanes"
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2021-05-30 02:06:02	jim	heh :P
2021-05-30 02:06:51	jim	bagira, ever get into folks like frank gambale or scott henderson?
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2021-05-30 02:07:25	jim	they may have a wider harmonic pallet
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2021-05-30 02:08:00	bagira	jim, no i didn't do alot of the blues types but had a zappa phase because of the influence on satch
2021-05-30 02:08:38	jim	satriani used to live about 25 mins away, I got a chance to take some lessons from him
2021-05-30 02:08:47	bagira	omg
2021-05-30 02:08:53	bagira	did you do it?
2021-05-30 02:09:31	jim	kinda, but I was a kid back then, and I wasnt ready for real deal
2021-05-30 02:09:35	bagira	dude
2021-05-30 02:09:54	bagira	if i ran the world i would make yngvie live across the street so he could scowl at the students going to joe's place
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2021-05-30 02:10:24	jim	so I took like 8 lessons from him, and I think the most important thing he said, was you have to be able to observe and evaluate your own playing
2021-05-30 02:10:32	bagira	yep
2021-05-30 02:10:34	bagira	all about tone
2021-05-30 02:10:42	bagira	that guy was also a theory genius
2021-05-30 02:10:50	jim	yep
2021-05-30 02:11:01	LambdaComplex	bagira: i saw ZPZ live once
2021-05-30 02:11:03	bagira	he had this way of taking a melody and changing the backtrack in such a way that it sounds like a drone note until you try to transcribe it
2021-05-30 02:11:03	LambdaComplex	it was great
2021-05-30 02:11:20	bagira	unbelievable stuff he had going on there
2021-05-30 02:11:49	jim	there was at least one ZPZ gig, that had Tal Wilkenfeld and Vinnie Colaiuta in the rhythm section
2021-05-30 02:12:11	bagira	jim, dream theatre?
2021-05-30 02:12:20	bagira	that might be too obscure
2021-05-30 02:12:26	jim	no, zappa plays zappa
2021-05-30 02:12:34	LambdaComplex	...dream theater is obscure?
2021-05-30 02:12:34	jim	wait, what question are you asking?
2021-05-30 02:12:37	bagira	no i mean did you ever get into petrucci
2021-05-30 02:12:47	jim	not specifically
2021-05-30 02:12:54	LambdaComplex	i need sleep. goodnight
2021-05-30 02:13:06	jim	I've listened to a few tracks, very well donem
2021-05-30 02:13:07	bagira	yeah petrucci was like...the theory nerd's aspiration
2021-05-30 02:13:21	bagira	nobody would listen to dream theatre except a musician
2021-05-30 02:13:46	LissajousPattern	LambdaComplex, sweet dreams
2021-05-30 02:13:49	bagira	most people would be like "wow, well that's weird" but only because they haven't heard vai yet lol
2021-05-30 02:13:51	jim	theory makes it very easy to put, say, a solo, into sections
2021-05-30 02:14:10	bagira	i mean vai was weird
2021-05-30 02:14:34	jim	you know how vai and satch were connected?
2021-05-30 02:14:47	bagira	they did a bunch of touring together and i think satch instructed him
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2021-05-30 02:14:56	jim	yeah
2021-05-30 02:14:59	billy1	<--- listens to DT and I am not a musician
2021-05-30 02:15:11	bagira	vai had some extra element that dominated the satch influence though
2021-05-30 02:15:18	bagira	like
2021-05-30 02:15:33	bagira	a splash of something soul-like in there that changed it all
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2021-05-30 02:16:16	jim	well of course, if you have a complete picture of the theory end (and you can play), you can take things anywhere you want
2021-05-30 02:16:26	bagira	yeah
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2021-05-30 02:16:41	billy1	Passion & Warfare was th first shred album I bought when first released
2021-05-30 02:16:48	bagira	omg i loved that album when i was a kid
2021-05-30 02:17:05	bagira	i mean that solo at the end?  you know the one im talking about
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2021-05-30 02:17:43	jim	(I know, we're offtopic, but there isn't anything else going on... if someone comes in and asks stuf, let's pause to handle it)
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2021-05-30 02:18:27	bagira	"For the Love of God" was the magic track there
2021-05-30 02:18:41	billy1	ok I have a small question.... does linux have a sound recorder that I can record my voice?
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2021-05-30 02:18:58	bagira	billy1, well yeah but you need the hardware for it to drive it
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2021-05-30 02:19:13	bagira	billy1, i mean that's a hardware thing not really a software thing
2021-05-30 02:19:39	billy1	I am sure my laptop has  a mic
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2021-05-30 02:20:25	jim	billy1, there are lots of those... first thing, is probably you have to get the mic going so you can route the audio
2021-05-30 02:20:26	kerframil	if you only need something simple, gnome-sound-recorder does the job.
2021-05-30 02:21:16	jim	ardour, on the other hand, has everything under the sun, and takes reading, understanding and trying to get it going
2021-05-30 02:21:38	jim	maybe you don't need ardour right now :)_
2021-05-30 02:22:18	billy1	ok, did a men search for gnome-sound-recorder.... not found
2021-05-30 02:22:25	billy1	menu
2021-05-30 02:22:32	bagira	billy1, what distro?
2021-05-30 02:22:36	billy1	mint
2021-05-30 02:22:41	jim	billy1, ok, probably you don't have it installed yet
2021-05-30 02:22:55	bagira	billy1, you want to use synaptic to install it
2021-05-30 02:23:03	billy1	ok
2021-05-30 02:23:38	bagira	figured to specify synaptic so he doesn't start using snap
2021-05-30 02:23:44	jim	installing it might try to find the sound devices, incl the mic
2021-05-30 02:24:00	jim	probably good idea
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2021-05-30 02:24:28	jim	I still think multiple package managers is -crazy-
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2021-05-30 02:24:34	kerframil	bagira: using snap in mint is virtually impossible unless you go out of your way, because Clement is against it. but there's still the possibility of using a flatpak from their store thingy, I suppose.
2021-05-30 02:25:32	bagira	kerframil, yeah well i try to avoid misleading impressionable youth
2021-05-30 02:26:00	kerframil	I concur that using anything other than the native package is almost certainly overkill, in this instance.
2021-05-30 02:26:03	billy1	bbl
2021-05-30 02:26:07	 *	bagira puts on thick gloves and drops flatpak in a sealed container to prevent contaminating the carpet or shelves
2021-05-30 02:26:30	bagira	snapd is so much worse though
2021-05-30 02:27:53	bagira	in all fairness though
2021-05-30 02:28:16	bagira	i think some of that stuff is market adaptation to existing package managers going stale.  rpm needs a rewrite and deb isn't in much better shape.
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2021-05-30 02:29:58	jim	I guess both of those worked on their respecitive package mgrs for a long time
2021-05-30 02:30:31	bagira	yeah unless multiple package managers are reading from the same database i don't understand how anyone can see multiple pm's at the same time on the same system is safe let alone preferred
2021-05-30 02:30:40	bagira	but there's alot of projects recommending it
2021-05-30 02:31:11	jim	that's pretty much exactly my point
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2021-05-30 02:31:50	jim	the way that -can- work, is if they keep totally separate disk space to install stuff on
2021-05-30 02:32:06	sol-86	hi all
2021-05-30 02:32:08	bagira	honestly minus a few missing features, the way slackware does packages is probably the cleanest i've still seen
2021-05-30 02:32:10	jim	hi
2021-05-30 02:32:10	bagira	hey sol-86
2021-05-30 02:32:11	sol-86	wtf is happening to freenode lul
2021-05-30 02:32:17	sol-86	where is this going to move?
2021-05-30 02:32:22	bagira	sol-86, it's not
2021-05-30 02:32:38	sol-86	k bru
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2021-05-30 02:33:32	jim	sol-86, the basic deal, is each individual person can make their own choice as to where they want to be... and, they can also be in a couple at the same time
2021-05-30 02:33:43	sol-86	i want linux
2021-05-30 02:33:48	sol-86	forever
2021-05-30 02:33:49	jim	ok
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2021-05-30 02:33:55	sol-86	win10 is malware
2021-05-30 02:34:00	jim	are you running it?
2021-05-30 02:34:02	bagira	so download linux bru
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2021-05-30 02:34:09	sol-86	they asked me to send data 10 times during installating
2021-05-30 02:34:22	sol-86	so after install, i removed it and installed ubuntu
2021-05-30 02:34:28	sol-86	it was my tablet
2021-05-30 02:34:37	jim	oh ok, how's it workign?
2021-05-30 02:34:41	sol-86	i am on linux,but i had a win10 tablet
2021-05-30 02:34:57	jim	is that bad?
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2021-05-30 02:35:12	sol-86	win10 is bad
2021-05-30 02:35:18	sol-86	2 seconds to open settings page
2021-05-30 02:35:29	sol-86	they made win10 into a phone app
2021-05-30 02:35:35	sol-86	its total garbage
2021-05-30 02:35:39	jim	but I mean, you have ubuntu on the tablet... is everything working ok?
2021-05-30 02:35:40	sol-86	and malware
2021-05-30 02:35:52	sol-86	gnome works fine
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2021-05-30 02:35:56	sol-86	but lubuntu has mouse issues
2021-05-30 02:36:09	sol-86	touch doesnt work
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2021-05-30 02:36:18	sol-86	on lubuntu
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2021-05-30 02:36:22	jim	oh ok, so some things don't work on that tablet
2021-05-30 02:36:24	sol-86	i need to configure it properly i guess
2021-05-30 02:36:35	bagira	sol-86, lspci
2021-05-30 02:36:36	jim	yeah, I would imagine so
2021-05-30 02:36:37	sol-86	everything works with gnome
2021-05-30 02:36:47	bagira	sol-86, oh
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2021-05-30 02:37:13	sol-86	but lubuntu has minor touchscreen issue
2021-05-30 02:37:19	jim	you -could- run gnome then :) don't like gnome?
2021-05-30 02:37:26	sol-86	yea i hate gnome
2021-05-30 02:37:33	jim	aha, ok
2021-05-30 02:37:51	sol-86	mouse coordinates are messed up on lubuntu
2021-05-30 02:37:59	sol-86	with touch
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2021-05-30 02:38:11	bagira	sol-86, what does `sudo synclient TapButton1=1` return?
2021-05-30 02:38:16	sol-86	you touch X, mouse goes to something-X
2021-05-30 02:38:38	jim	when you say it works well in gnome, could you say more about that? specifically, how is the mouse/pointer behaving?
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2021-05-30 02:39:02	sol-86	sec bagira
2021-05-30 02:39:10	sol-86	on gnome it all works good jim
2021-05-30 02:40:04	jim	ok, I guess that also means that when you touch the screen, the cursor appears under your finger, and similar?
2021-05-30 02:40:28	sol-86	yes
2021-05-30 02:40:33	jim	ok
2021-05-30 02:40:57	sol-86	synclient command not found
2021-05-30 02:40:58	jim	that means it's possible to get it going in other contexts, with other DEs
2021-05-30 02:41:09	sol-86	yes jim
2021-05-30 02:41:13	sol-86	and it works with a mouse too
2021-05-30 02:41:17	sol-86	just touch doesnt work
2021-05-30 02:41:42	jim	I wonder if there are drivers for this
2021-05-30 02:41:57	sol-86	yes there must be
2021-05-30 02:42:03	sol-86	i think lubuntu isnt as polished as gnome
2021-05-30 02:42:05	sol-86	not as up to date
2021-05-30 02:42:14	jim	just a sec
2021-05-30 02:44:06	jim	Search for bin/synclient in buster/amd64: xserver-xorg-input-synaptics: usr/bin/synclient
2021-05-30 02:44:19	jim	are you using xorg as an X server?
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2021-05-30 02:46:40	jim	if you do use xorg, this might get you some things you need, bagira had a command line with synclient as the command... if you install the package xserver-xorg-input-synaptics , you should get a copy of synclient
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2021-05-30 02:48:43	bagira	if that doesn't work you could try `sudo apt-get -y update && apt-get -y install touchegg`
2021-05-30 02:48:47	bagira	woops
2021-05-30 02:48:52	bagira	if that doesn't work you could try `sudo apt-get -y update && sudo apt-get -y install touchegg`
2021-05-30 02:49:02	bagira	and then use touchegg to calibrate an offset maybe
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2021-05-30 02:49:41	drewgon	Good Afternoon Ya'll
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2021-05-30 02:50:34	sol-86	thanks a lot guys
2021-05-30 02:50:38	sol-86	i am trying this right now
2021-05-30 02:50:47	sol-86	touchegg is calibrator?
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2021-05-30 02:50:51	bagira	yes
2021-05-30 02:51:00	sol-86	gui based?
2021-05-30 02:51:04	bagira	yes
2021-05-30 02:51:18	sol-86	excellent... am installing
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2021-05-30 02:54:33	rindolf	drewgon: hi, sup? shavua tov
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2021-05-30 02:56:47	drewgon	shavua tov
2021-05-30 02:57:00	drewgon	What is that!
2021-05-30 02:57:22	drewgon	Oh its a hebrew expression
2021-05-30 02:57:28	drewgon	Not much is up, just new here
2021-05-30 02:57:31	drewgon	Aint been on IRC in years
2021-05-30 02:57:55	sol-86	touchegg not gui
2021-05-30 02:58:50	rindolf	drewgon: welcome abord
2021-05-30 02:59:18	rindolf	drewgon: i am a secular israeli jew
2021-05-30 03:00:00	sol-86	goldstein
2021-05-30 03:00:04	sol-86	rubinstein
2021-05-30 03:00:07	sol-86	silverstein
2021-05-30 03:00:08	drewgon	I see!
2021-05-30 03:00:17	sol-86	moneystein
2021-05-30 03:00:49	rindolf	drewgon: my philosphy is rindolfism though: https://www.shlomifish.org/me/rindolf/#rindolfism
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2021-05-30 03:58:09	boodllebat	Hey guys I triend enabling cgroup v2 on my system by setting `systemd.unified_cgroup_hierarchy=1`, now i am not able to go back to cgroup v1
2021-05-30 03:58:38	boodllebat	/sys/fs/cgroup just not shows regular controllers
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2021-05-30 04:00:52	rindolf	drewgon: there?
2021-05-30 04:01:31	rindolf	drewgon: where do you live?
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2021-05-30 04:16:08	tpanmajia	My computer gets a power failure when I was opening a file with vim. After a new boot and fsck this file was emptied. What to do?
2021-05-30 04:16:13	tpanmajia	s/gets/got/
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2021-05-30 04:17:11	tpanmajia	I'd like to recover its content, even partially. This file is small (~20KB) on a LUKS volume, so grepping on raw volume may / may not work.
2021-05-30 04:17:22	Dresden	tpanmajia: you can check a directory called "lost and found" on the mount point
2021-05-30 04:17:26	Dresden	But opening it shouldn't have done that
2021-05-30 04:17:37	tpanmajia	total 0
2021-05-30 04:17:45	tpanmajia	Dresden: nothing was found
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2021-05-30 04:17:58	Dresden	Not sure how an open could do that
2021-05-30 04:18:02	Dresden	ext4? mode=journaled?
2021-05-30 04:18:02	tpanmajia	Dresden: yeah, I have thought the same, but the file is indeed emptied
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2021-05-30 04:18:10	tpanmajia	Dresden: ext4 on top of LUKS
2021-05-30 04:18:33	Dresden	I wouldn't hope for much sorry man
2021-05-30 04:18:34	tpanmajia	Dresden: rw,relatime and I don't know whether it's journaled or not
2021-05-30 04:18:36	Dresden	VERY weird
2021-05-30 04:18:41	tpanmajia	yeah weird
2021-05-30 04:19:17	tpanmajia	would ext4 journaling be on when mounted with default options?
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2021-05-30 04:20:42	Dresden	tpanmajia: depends, mode=ordered is common
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2021-05-30 04:20:58	Dresden	journaled literally involves writing data twice, but I guess if it was journaled, you wouldn't have this
2021-05-30 04:21:07	tpanmajia	yeah indeed
2021-05-30 04:21:07	Dresden	tpanmajia: sorry man
2021-05-30 04:21:14	tpanmajia	Dresden: the file's lost?
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2021-05-30 04:21:25	Dresden	tpanmajia: I ... really wouldn't hope for much
2021-05-30 04:21:32	Dresden	I don't understand how it could have hapened
2021-05-30 04:22:02	Dresden	tpanmajia: check /tmp but your scraping the barrel there and I wouldn't hope
2021-05-30 04:22:21	tpanmajia	me too, since even in the case of power failure the file, already occupying several inodes, would not be easily lost in one step, but ...
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2021-05-30 04:22:36	tpanmajia	Dresden: I'm 20min after a cold boot ...
2021-05-30 04:22:56	Dresden	tpanmajia: they may not have been cleared, I just don't see how vim could do that
2021-05-30 04:23:18	tpanmajia	Dresden: yeah it's vim, not some funky youngsie text editor
2021-05-30 04:23:28	Dresden	tpanmajia: when programs save, they often write a new copy somewhere else and then mv it over the original, this is atomic (the mv) and it cannot fuck it up
2021-05-30 04:23:30	tpanmajia	neovim to be more precise
2021-05-30 04:23:33	Dresden	I don't know how this could happen
2021-05-30 04:23:36	tpanmajia	me too
2021-05-30 04:23:48	Dresden	Presumably it opened the thing in rw mode
2021-05-30 04:23:48	tpanmajia	I knew a bit about text editors' atomic writing to files
2021-05-30 04:24:03	Dresden	Yeah most things on save basically do saveas to a tempfile then move it over the top
2021-05-30 04:24:10	tpanmajia	but I cannot see I twisted the relevant knobs (settings)
2021-05-30 04:24:18	tpanmajia	yeah
2021-05-30 04:24:19	Dresden	This way if it crashes the move didn't happen and the original is fine, or it did happen and the new data is there, no midground
2021-05-30 04:24:21	Dresden	This is weird
2021-05-30 04:24:27	tpanmajia	weird.
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2021-05-30 04:25:42	tpanmajia	Using a computer is much similar to marine navigation. After experincing much uncertainty, chaos and distress one finally resorts to gods / god or superstitions.
2021-05-30 04:26:09	tpanmajia	perhaps I should have set up a local git repo instead ...
2021-05-30 04:26:56	Dresden	tpanmajia: data durability is VERY VERY hard
2021-05-30 04:26:58	Dresden	Trust me
2021-05-30 04:27:04	Dresden	fsync barely works, you have to fsync the dir too
2021-05-30 04:27:09	tpanmajia	ohhhhhhhhh
2021-05-30 04:27:14	tpanmajia	I got the idea.
2021-05-30 04:27:38	Dresden	A wise man (Jim Grey) once said update in place is demonic or some such, because it destroys stuff on partial application
2021-05-30 04:27:40	tpanmajia	on the fsync stuff I thought I have read a blog post titled "Files are thought with peril"
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2021-05-30 04:27:42	Dresden	You need a journal
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2021-05-30 04:28:07	Dresden	tpanmajia: yeah if you write to a file, the kernel wont do it for a while by default it stays in the block cache, fsync guarantees when it returns, anything written before you fsynced is written
2021-05-30 04:28:12	tpanmajia	... describing almost exactly the same thing you just described
2021-05-30 04:28:18	Dresden	tpanmajia: but it gets worse: devices have write caches - Hard drives suck with this
2021-05-30 04:28:25	tpanmajia	haha
2021-05-30 04:28:30	Dresden	Only Toshiba has this thing where on power failure it dumps the cache/buffer into some flash
2021-05-30 04:28:37	Dresden	Durability is an absolute bitch
2021-05-30 04:28:38	tpanmajia	and with write caches that could not be force-flushed
2021-05-30 04:28:52	Dresden	tpanmajia: it gets worse, some SCSI stuff has this weird property that writes are done in LBA order
2021-05-30 04:28:53	tpanmajia	but ... it _has to have_ power when doing this
2021-05-30 04:29:00	Dresden	So it's not what got requested first, but what has the lowest LBA
2021-05-30 04:29:04	tpanmajia	I remember HUUUUUUUGE capacitors on enterprise-grade Intel SSDs
2021-05-30 04:29:17	Dresden	tpanmajia.... LET ME SCREENSHOT SOMETHING FOR YOU
2021-05-30 04:29:18	Dresden	CAPS
2021-05-30 04:29:24	tpanmajia	oh, HW protocol dark magic
2021-05-30 04:29:32	tpanmajia	capitals for what?
2021-05-30 04:30:22	Dresden	tpanmajia: between you and me, this is partly private
2021-05-30 04:30:25	Dresden	I'll PM you
2021-05-30 04:30:31	tpanmajia	gotcha
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2021-05-30 05:12:45	Tech_8	sup
2021-05-30 05:12:54	drewgon	Kicking it
2021-05-30 05:12:54	drewgon	you/
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2021-05-30 05:15:46	Tech_8	drewgon: same
2021-05-30 05:16:05	Tech_8	what you do for fun, I need something to do?
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2021-05-30 05:18:59	Muimi	I've got a copy of (hi ach).  I've got a copy of Debian 10, and I'm trying to forward some ports.  I am wondering if I can do this by typing some simple commands, or if as a beginner user I am better-off downloading very simple firewall and trying to use that?
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2021-05-30 05:39:29	drewgon	Muimi - To the internet?
2021-05-30 05:39:47	Muimi	drewgon i'm trying to open some ports to passthrough on openvpn
2021-05-30 05:42:32	drewgon	Have a google of Iptables
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2021-05-30 06:05:24	Lutin	Damn why are all certbot containers so horrible
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2021-05-30 06:10:28	xBorus	Hello, is there a simple DNS server i could use that just expose a DNS port, and in configuration, only relies on /etc/hosts and then on /etc/resolv.conf ?
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2021-05-30 06:12:25	dostoyevsky	Lutin: I usually install certbot myself into containers that have a webserver..  I guess if I wanted to use two different containers I'd setup the certbot container with a lot of special permissions
2021-05-30 06:13:06	dostoyevsky	Lutin: just getting a cronjob running is also hard
2021-05-30 06:13:25	Lutin	dostoyevsky why special permissions ? If you only use it for webservers fine, but there is more what uses SSL
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2021-05-30 06:16:37	dostoyevsky	Lutin: certbot brings its own webserver that has to run on port 80 during generation of the ssl certificates
2021-05-30 06:17:09	Lutin	dostoyevsky erm, certbot doesn't you need to make one yourself, like apache
2021-05-30 06:17:12	Lutin	or nginx
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2021-05-30 06:54:27	Corbit	Hi. Any suggestion about a filesystem for use on an external hdd (12TB) that is used for backup purposes? I read on the net that some suggest ZFS or BTFS. Not sure about it.
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2021-05-30 07:17:52	triceratux	hrm nothing more on ycombinator re libera. does that mean theyre finally gone ?
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2021-05-30 07:22:00	oxek	why ask about that in here?
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2021-05-30 07:23:59	triceratux	cause youre the folks with the matrix bridge
2021-05-30 07:24:57	amcsi	DuClare, thanks for your additional explanation about Diffie-Hellman of how the compromising of either private key keeps the DH session key safe
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2021-05-30 07:43:53	triceratux	i left element.io secure messenger running all night on android 8. its still connected. still dont see why youd use a federated multiserver surveillance technology to reach an irc channel, but those fedora folks sure love it
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2021-05-30 08:06:27	triceratux	https://i.imgur.com/1Br0fFj.jpg
2021-05-30 08:06:39	triceratux	actually thats pretty neat
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2021-05-30 08:09:53	oxek	that font...
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2021-05-30 08:12:12	triceratux	rofl
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2021-05-30 08:21:20	jellyb	theres a hippo watching you
2021-05-30 08:22:03	wigums	thats a picture of his mom
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2021-05-30 08:27:06	triceratux	hippos arent watching me. theyre watching those androids & those penguins https://i.imgur.com/6SnFZXW.jpg
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2021-05-30 09:11:30	--	Topic for ##linux is "Infra is officially in place on irc.libera.chat. We're still here, at least for a while. No SMS-speak (like u, ur, etc). Pastebin: <command> | nc termbin.com 9999"
2021-05-30 09:11:30	--	Topic set by jim on Fri, 21 May 2021 10:35:18
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2021-05-30 10:07:44	idodeisuke	A noob question I couldn't manage to find an answer too anywhere: When I use sed -r 's/^None$//' "$BASE_DIR2"/*.txt, I get sed: can't read ./gallery-dl_8a29034c-d384-48bf-86f0-5046b25b9b14/*.txt: No such file or directory, even though a txt file DOES exist in that folder. What can I do?
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2021-05-30 10:16:15	oxek	have you tried: sed 's/^None$//' "${BASE_DIR2}/*.txt"
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2021-05-30 10:41:07	Nickwiz	idodeisuke: What does echo "$BASE_DIR2"/*.txt give you?
2021-05-30 10:41:23	Nickwiz	or echo "$BASE_DIR2" for that matter
2021-05-30 10:42:46	Nickwiz	You are likely in wrong directory
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2021-05-30 11:32:53	simbaclaws	hmmm odd I can't connect to the gentoo chat on freenode, it says this buffer is not a channel
2021-05-30 11:32:59	simbaclaws	did it get removed?
2021-05-30 11:33:19	simbaclaws	it's also showing ##unavailable for me in the buffer
2021-05-30 11:34:03	triceratux	https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/20/Freenode.html
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2021-05-30 11:34:20	triceratux	best irc drama ever :)
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2021-05-30 11:38:04	rangergord	10 days old drama?
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2021-05-30 11:39:30	simbaclaws	I'm reading a blog post, what was the drama about?
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2021-05-30 11:40:09	triceratux	its neverending https://isfreenodedeadyet.com/
2021-05-30 11:40:18	rascul	https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html
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2021-05-30 11:40:59	triceratux	https://news.itsfoss.com/freenode-controversy/
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2021-05-30 11:41:30	simbaclaws	wow
2021-05-30 11:41:34	rangergord	Freenode users -2080 compared to yesterday, Libera users +480. That's how repulsive Libera's people are, that 3 out of 4 people would rather stop using IRC than go there.
2021-05-30 11:42:15	rascul	seems like you're reading more than what's been presented there
2021-05-30 11:42:23	rangergord	*3 out of 4 people who want to leave Freenode
2021-05-30 11:42:32	rangergord	no it's quite accurate
2021-05-30 11:42:49	rascul	it doesn't show the reasons why the numbers change
2021-05-30 11:42:50	rangergord	of the people that choose to leave Freenode, 75% do not want to go to Libera
2021-05-30 11:42:52	rascul	you're making that up yourself
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2021-05-30 11:43:32	rascul	it's also not necessarily a 1:1 relationship
2021-05-30 11:43:41	rascul	er 1:1 isn't what i meant
2021-05-30 11:44:00	triceratux	https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c1646791c61953
2021-05-30 11:44:03	rascul	but out of those 2080 less users, it's certainly possible that many of them were already on libera so the libera number doesn't increase as much
2021-05-30 11:44:24	DLange	or their channels have moved to OFTC or elsewhere
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2021-05-30 11:44:32	rascul	it's also possible some of them leave irc completely, or a vast plethora of other reasons why the numbers show what they show
2021-05-30 11:44:54	rascul	assuming that the numbers are what they are because of some reason you just make up isn't going to be very helpful for anyone
2021-05-30 11:45:48	rascul	oftc has gotten a bunch more users over the last week
2021-05-30 11:45:59	rangergord	I doubt any meaningful percentage of people who moved to Libera disconnected from Freenode. It seems like most of them prefer to stay on Freenode and try to convince people to join them.
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2021-05-30 11:47:13	rascul	it might be interesting to note the decline in ##linux users over the past week or so
2021-05-30 11:47:46	rangergord	do tell? I can't track user count since Matrix's bridge doesn't show it properly (it says 5k here, when there were 2k last week)
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2021-05-30 11:48:11	rangergord	which regulars are we not seeing anymore?
2021-05-30 11:48:13	rascul	a couple weeks ago there were ~2k, i don't think it's hit 1.3k in the last week
2021-05-30 11:48:17	rangergord	or any non-bots
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2021-05-30 11:48:33	rascul	there's a few that i've noticed but it's not my place to point them out
2021-05-30 11:48:38	triceratux	its down 600 connections or so, around a third. back to early 2010s level
2021-05-30 11:48:51	rangergord	it would be interesting to limit that to "people who have typed something at leastt once in the past 3 months"
2021-05-30 11:49:17	rascul	it could be, but i'm not interested in writing that script
2021-05-30 11:49:24	rascul	also i don't think my logs go back far enough to matter
2021-05-30 11:49:37	simbaclaws	I'll have a quick looksy at libera, might need to setup several servers in my irc client now
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2021-05-30 11:49:52	rangergord	simbaclaws: make sure you have your preferred pronouns ready
2021-05-30 11:50:01	simbaclaws	pronouns?
2021-05-30 11:50:01	rangergord	they don't look kindly on people who don't use them
2021-05-30 11:50:02	triceratux	rangergord: yep the matrix bridge says "4456 people" rofl. i heard it from you first :)
2021-05-30 11:50:16	rangergord	triceratux: it says 5500 now, so Freenode is only getting stronger!
2021-05-30 11:50:27	triceratux	rangergord: element.io secure messenger 1.1.7 on android 8
2021-05-30 11:50:46	rangergord	I'm on app.element.io in Firefox
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2021-05-30 11:51:27	triceratux	err excuse me. it says 5546. its a matrix thing
2021-05-30 11:51:45	rascul	there's 1168 people in here currently
2021-05-30 11:52:01	rascul	"people"
2021-05-30 11:52:18	triceratux	yep the matrix view of irc departs from reality in various ways :)
2021-05-30 11:53:08	rascul	980 "people" in libera #linux
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2021-05-30 11:53:30	rangergord	lol
2021-05-30 11:53:37	simbaclaws	90% bots
2021-05-30 11:53:44	triceratux	with j1m & no matrix bridge
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2021-05-30 11:54:11	PlanC	hello, does anyone know how to decode rdata for dns queries?
2021-05-30 11:54:22	PlanC	I asked this a few days ago, but without any success
2021-05-30 11:54:28	rangergord	For sure some stat padding there. Like a Hollywood studio doing accounting.
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2021-05-30 12:04:15	altwulf	I see rangergord has gotten no brighter.
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2021-05-30 12:05:43	rangergord	whatever do you mean
2021-05-30 12:05:58	oxek	altwulf: you know better than do this
2021-05-30 12:05:58	simbaclaws	that's a song by justin bieber by the way
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2021-05-30 12:06:19	altwulf	o/~ Feelin' kinda nasty, feelin' kinda mean... o/~
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2021-05-30 12:06:40	altwulf	rangergord: if you don't know what you're talking about, it's best to shut the hell up.
2021-05-30 12:07:18	simbaclaws	I want to chill with both peeps on freenode and on libera
2021-05-30 12:07:26	simbaclaws	is that possible?
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2021-05-30 12:07:51	oxek	altwulf: be nice :)
2021-05-30 12:08:23	rangergord	altwulf: my preferred 2nd person pronoun isn't "you". If this were Libera you would've been out on your ass already. But of course the Freenode meanies let you abuse me like this...
2021-05-30 12:09:22	altwulf	That kind of thing is on a "per channel" basis and has nothing to do with the respective nets.
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2021-05-30 12:10:34	altwulf	Or perhaps you're refering to the prohibition against SMS-style English?
2021-05-30 12:10:46	rangergord	It's enforced by TransBot actually. It's like Nickserv but for good people.
2021-05-30 12:11:24	altwulf	In that case, I'm sure you'll thrive in any channel that loses regular moderation.
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2021-05-30 12:15:03	rangergord	Libera's TransBot just sent a global notification that from now on people have to write it "trans people are valid" every week or their account gets banned. I'm taking a vacation soon, any suggestions for what I can do to automate this? (I know automating it is against the TOS, but we're pals right?)
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2021-05-30 12:15:44	rascul	simbaclaws sure you can be on both networks if you want
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2021-05-30 12:16:14	rascul	rangergord you're spewing crap again
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2021-05-30 12:17:57	altwulf	Unfortunately, bans are now permanent because of bots lost in the eris.
2021-05-30 12:19:36	rascul	i don't think it's very unfortunate in this case
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2021-05-30 12:23:54	simbaclaws	cya guys
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2021-05-30 12:23:58	THE_GFR|WORK	hmm
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2021-05-30 12:30:30	emma	we have to be very cautious
2021-05-30 12:32:13	[R]	altwulf: because the person who set the ban is incapable of removing it?
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2021-05-30 12:34:31	altwulf	[R], no, because we don't scan the banlist regularly.
2021-05-30 12:34:58	[R]	well just because thats how you used to do it doesnt mean bans are not magically all ofa suddent permanent
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2021-05-30 12:35:27	rascul	[R] is permanent
2021-05-30 12:36:34	[R]	the way you said it, it makes it seem like, oh well, i set it, theres ntohing we can do now
2021-05-30 12:36:34	[R]	rascul: am i a permanent magnet?
2021-05-30 12:36:34	rascul	maybe the channel will be taken over before it's time to unban anybody
2021-05-30 12:36:34	rascul	[R] yes
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2021-05-30 12:44:17	PlanC	rangergord, but how do I remove the padding?
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2021-05-30 12:58:48	Nickwiz	PlanC: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1035
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2021-05-30 13:07:50	emma	[R]: oh my.
2021-05-30 13:09:30	[R]	oh your what
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2021-05-30 13:14:16	jim	[R], well we no longer have eir, so there's nothing to take bans away
2021-05-30 13:14:35	[R]	jim: except the ops...
2021-05-30 13:14:38	[R]	lol
2021-05-30 13:14:42	jim	effectively making bans permanently
2021-05-30 13:14:52	[R]	you know... the same ones that add them
2021-05-30 13:14:54	jim	well, true
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2021-05-30 13:15:18	[R]	what did we do on irc before bots that automatically removed bans...
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2021-05-30 13:15:42	jim	we ran into the upper limit of number of bans a lot
2021-05-30 13:16:39	jim	and if anything, that was the motive for creating eir
2021-05-30 13:16:40	[R]	no... peoplemanually removed them
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2021-05-30 13:17:21	jim	and they had to manage ban times "manually"
2021-05-30 13:17:22	oxek	85 on the ban list
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2021-05-30 13:17:45	velix	Anyone with an idea on this problem? https://serverfault.com/questions/1065138/rsyslog-doesnt-capture-my-logs
2021-05-30 13:18:06	oxek	/msg chanserv CLEAR ##linux BANS
2021-05-30 13:18:12	oxek	and let everyone get a ban again
2021-05-30 13:19:08	jim	no, there have been a reason for those bans (even though we don't have something to capture that info anymore)
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2021-05-30 13:20:00	jim	oxek, someone you know banned?
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2021-05-30 13:20:41	velix	I'm working on this for 6 hours now :-(
2021-05-30 13:21:30	jim	velix, so you have more than one machine involved?
2021-05-30 13:21:38	velix	no
2021-05-30 13:21:59	oxek	jim: I wouldn't want to be responsible for them if they get unbanned based on my request though
2021-05-30 13:22:44	jim	so you have an rsyslogd running on the same machine that's generating logs?
2021-05-30 13:22:50	velix	jim: yes
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2021-05-30 13:23:58	velix	jim: Normal logs work, the rule simply gets ignored.
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2021-05-30 13:25:41	jim	velix, when did you upgrade to bullseye?
2021-05-30 13:25:52	velix	jim: Didn't upgrade. It's a testing VM
2021-05-30 13:26:00	velix	jim: I installed it last week.
2021-05-30 13:26:19	velix	jim: But the syntax is the same as in Buster, AFAIK.
2021-05-30 13:26:24	jim	so it's not an upgrade of stable
2021-05-30 13:26:29	velix	No.
2021-05-30 13:26:45	velix	At least, it also didn't work using the old syntax.
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2021-05-30 13:27:56	velix	I think that's one of the reason people moved to logstache.
2021-05-30 13:28:06	velix	or syslog-ng...
2021-05-30 13:28:37	jim	back in a bit
2021-05-30 13:29:12	velix	jim: sure.
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2021-05-30 13:29:16	velix	Hmm, I'm not doing it wrong: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/580460
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2021-05-30 13:37:57	jim	does rsyslogd itself log to an error log?
2021-05-30 13:38:44	velix	No error.
2021-05-30 13:38:50	velix	even not in debug mode
2021-05-30 13:39:56	velix	#rsyslog is completly dead in freenode and Libera. I think the project is deprecated.
2021-05-30 13:40:27	velix	It also has more than 500 unfixed issues on Github.
2021-05-30 13:40:34	velix	That's no good sign
2021-05-30 13:43:26	jim	well let's find out
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2021-05-30 13:45:40	Nickwiz	Dos not look that dead: https://github.com/rsyslog/rsyslog/commits/master
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2021-05-30 13:46:05	velix	Nickwiz: it's a company driven tool. perhaps they're just fixing the stuff they need.
2021-05-30 13:49:45	jim	looks like debian is still using rsyslog
2021-05-30 13:50:04	jim	trying to find out if they have their own git clone
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2021-05-30 13:50:30	velix	Just to be sure: "May 30 17:49:57 debian pgbouncer[32271]: stats: 0 xacts/s, 0 " <--- pgbouncer is the programname here, isn't it?
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2021-05-30 13:51:05	DLange	it's the name of the process submitting the log line (PID is 32271)
2021-05-30 13:51:12	velix	timestamp | system | program[pid]: | message
2021-05-30 13:51:27	velix	DLange: So programname is wrong then?
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2021-05-30 13:52:16	velix	According to https://www.rsyslog.com/doc/master/configuration/properties.html it's programname
2021-05-30 13:52:17	jim	oxek, ok, you are here
2021-05-30 13:52:27	DLange	"programname" is not a Linux terminology
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2021-05-30 13:52:46	velix	DLange: I'm in rsyslog terminology ;)
2021-05-30 13:52:51	DLange	it may be rsyslog, dunno, but in Linux it is called a process
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2021-05-30 13:54:07	oxek	jim: yes, I'm here
2021-05-30 13:54:29	oxek	oh I just saw your message
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2021-05-30 13:54:50	oxek	https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/rsyslog
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2021-05-30 13:55:48	Nickwiz	Others use program as well, In netstat for example.
2021-05-30 13:55:58	oxek	it's the same as upstream, no special debian patches applies
2021-05-30 13:56:33	jim	oxek, is this: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/rsyslog an instance of gitlab?
2021-05-30 13:56:45	oxek	yes, salsa is what debian now uses
2021-05-30 13:56:48	DLange	program is well defined, that is the executable (started)
2021-05-30 13:57:02	oxek	though not all packages are on salsa yet
2021-05-30 13:57:08	jim	what'a a salsa? :)
2021-05-30 13:57:24	jim	oh that's the hostname
2021-05-30 13:57:25	oxek	that's the debian name for debian gitlab instance
2021-05-30 13:58:33	jim	velix, the active development (by debian devs) takes place here: https://salsa.debian.org/debian/rsyslog
2021-05-30 13:58:54	velix	Oh, so it's a fork?
2021-05-30 13:59:02	oxek	it's not a fork
2021-05-30 13:59:09	 *	[R] sticks a fork in it
2021-05-30 13:59:11	henistein	This is about operating systems theory, in this example there is deadlock or not? https://ibb.co/VN78R0Q
2021-05-30 13:59:12	henistein	I hope you can understand it
2021-05-30 13:59:22	velix	It's just rsyslog packaging
2021-05-30 13:59:31	oxek	yes
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2021-05-30 14:00:08	[R]	henistein: i think you are lost... this is ##linux
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2021-05-30 14:00:34	henistein	do you know some operating system channel?
2021-05-30 14:01:13	jim	henistein, first, there is a bot, alis, that can assist you in finding channels on the freenode irc net. To get started, /msg alis help
2021-05-30 14:01:30	DLange	henistein: ##homework :)
2021-05-30 14:01:40	jim	I gotta change that :)
2021-05-30 14:02:28	DLange	Channel Users
2021-05-30 14:02:32	DLange	##homework 1
2021-05-30 14:02:34	DLange	lol!
2021-05-30 14:02:36	henistein	##homework has 0 people
2021-05-30 14:02:56	DLange	it had one for some time
2021-05-30 14:03:11	henistein	it was me probably
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2021-05-30 14:03:16	DLange	likely
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2021-05-30 14:07:57	oxek	henistein: there's #osdev on libera
2021-05-30 14:10:21	henistein	thanks
2021-05-30 14:11:06	Nickwiz	Unless they can share resources it looks like a 2-process dealock at least ... does it not?
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2021-05-30 14:12:40	Nickwiz	>R4->P1->R2->P3->R4<
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2021-05-30 14:17:25	henistein	Nickwiz I am not sure maybe there is maybe there is no, because in some situations it can be a cycle but still not a deadlock, like in figure 7.3 from this site https://www.cs.uic.edu/~jbell/CourseNotes/OperatingSystems/7_Deadlocks.html
2021-05-30 14:17:34	Nickwiz	As in P1 is waiting for R2 and have R4, and P3 is waiting for R4 and have R2.
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2021-05-30 14:21:07	henistein	I see your point
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2021-05-30 14:23:06	Moebius	hi
2021-05-30 14:23:08	jim	velix, where is the git repo of rsyslog, that has the 500 unfixed issues/
2021-05-30 14:23:09	jim	?
2021-05-30 14:23:14	Moebius	i have an issue with this lenovo yoga laptop here
2021-05-30 14:23:34	velix	jim: google
2021-05-30 14:23:35	Moebius	changing the resolution results in shifted desktop, it just goes up
2021-05-30 14:23:36	velix	geeeh
2021-05-30 14:23:38	velix	jim: github :)
2021-05-30 14:23:55	Moebius	Linux Mint 20.1 + xfce
2021-05-30 14:24:11	jim	velix, an address where you saw it would be helpful :) there could be more than one
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2021-05-30 14:24:43	velix	jim: github + rsyslog = https://github.com/rsyslog/rsyslog
2021-05-30 14:24:47	Nickwiz	henistein: I'm busy here, have no time to expand. You can check ##osdev perhaps?
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2021-05-30 14:25:09	jim	ok, thanks... someone on #debian was curious
2021-05-30 14:25:14	velix	;)
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2021-05-30 14:27:21	z00100	Greetings and salutations
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2021-05-30 14:32:57	moniker-	so ubuntu channels moved to libera
2021-05-30 14:33:03	moniker-	will linux move as well?
2021-05-30 14:33:15	DLange	we're on both networks
2021-05-30 14:33:28	DLange	you can choose where you want to be
2021-05-30 14:33:31	DLange	we're there
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2021-05-30 14:33:49	[R]	where here
2021-05-30 14:33:53	[R]	weres everywhere
2021-05-30 14:34:11	oxek	there's a #linux channel on every IRC network
2021-05-30 14:34:15	bagira	moniker-, the ubuntu channels are still on both networks, i think their official is somewhere else though iirc
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2021-05-30 14:34:45	moniker-	https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/05/ubuntu-irc-moves-to-libera-chat
2021-05-30 14:35:31	moniker-	is this the beginning of the big political rift in open source community?
2021-05-30 14:35:46	bagira	moniker-, yeah that post is confused.  All they did was give up control of #ubuntu on freenode and set up a channel on libera.  #ubuntu is still here as well.
2021-05-30 14:36:00	jim	velix, the folks on #debian would like to speak to you... /join #debian
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2021-05-30 14:36:53	moniker-	what the state of open source community anyways
2021-05-30 14:36:55	oxek	bagira: #ubuntu redirects to ##ubuntu, which seems like some random unofficial channel
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2021-05-30 14:37:13	jim	moniker-, Nevada?
2021-05-30 14:37:24	moniker-	umm, what you mean jim?
2021-05-30 14:37:32	oxek	moniker-: no, we mean you
2021-05-30 14:37:33	DLange	most probably Oregon
2021-05-30 14:37:38	oxek	I'd say California though
2021-05-30 14:37:49	DLange	pff, webdevs
2021-05-30 14:37:52	moniker-	i see what you did there
2021-05-30 14:38:41	moniker-	so question pushed the wrong buttons then
2021-05-30 14:39:21	DLange	there is no sane answer to a question as broad as yours unless you write a long, long blog post / article
2021-05-30 14:39:37	novelcoronavirus	the answer is yes
2021-05-30 14:39:37	DLange	so we used the opportunity to what IRC is good for, quick witty lines
2021-05-30 14:39:55	novelcoronavirus	##linux now lives on Liberia.chat
2021-05-30 14:40:05	moniker-	there's no sane answer or you affraid of what particular answer might stir
2021-05-30 14:40:48	oxek	novelcoronavirus: as well as on every irc network ever
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2021-05-30 14:40:54	velix	jim: I'm in there already ;)
2021-05-30 14:40:59	GaM3r2Xtreme	looks like all the channels are moving to liberia.chat, apparently.
2021-05-30 14:41:11	DLange	I'm personally not very interested in what random people say about the state of whatever they consider to be the FLOSS community
2021-05-30 14:41:14	novelcoronavirus	freenode is dying
2021-05-30 14:41:22	oxek	let's not start this discussion again
2021-05-30 14:41:24	novelcoronavirus	it is obvious
2021-05-30 14:41:29	oxek	there's ##linux-offtopic for that
2021-05-30 14:41:50	DLange	of course the freenode staff resignation and creation of libera has been a massive thing in the IRC space
2021-05-30 14:42:00	[R]	DLange: what if they were dentists?
2021-05-30 14:42:01	DLange	but FLOSS is much much bigger than what is on IRC
2021-05-30 14:42:03	moniker-	and who are the non-randoms in your view DLange?
2021-05-30 14:42:27	DLange	moniker-: people that contribute significantly to a FLOSS product I care about
2021-05-30 14:42:41	moniker-	are you one of those?
2021-05-30 14:42:52	[R]	DLange: like oral B?
2021-05-30 14:43:13	DLange	[R]: yes, very good toothbrushs
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2021-05-30 14:43:21	[R]	DLange: they make floss too
2021-05-30 14:43:25	Scarecr0w	Forgive me but what is FLOSS? I know FOSS but never heard of FLOSS besides the oral hygiene context.
2021-05-30 14:43:32	[R]	"More dentists and hygienists recommend Oral-B floss than any other brand."
2021-05-30 14:43:40	DLange	overpriced consumables though
2021-05-30 14:43:47	[R]	Scarecr0w: free and libre i belive
2021-05-30 14:43:48	DLange	so the HP of FLOSSing in a way :o)
2021-05-30 14:43:59	moniker-	L in floss is for libre
2021-05-30 14:44:01	oxek	Scarecr0w: Free Libre Open Sores Software
2021-05-30 14:44:05	moniker-	dunno why
2021-05-30 14:44:06	velix	jim: Thanks for your help.
2021-05-30 14:44:24	moniker-	what does libre stand for in this context?
2021-05-30 14:44:33	oxek	free as in speech
2021-05-30 14:44:36	DLange	Free as in not beer
2021-05-30 14:44:39	novelcoronavirus	self-righteousness
2021-05-30 14:44:45	triceratux	because free in engrish requires disambiguation. other languages have separate words
2021-05-30 14:44:47	moniker-	and that's different from open source how?
2021-05-30 14:44:49	ayecee	the french word for freedom
2021-05-30 14:44:51	[R]	i dont drink beer, can i get some free soda?
2021-05-30 14:44:59	novelcoronavirus	no
2021-05-30 14:45:10	oxek	moniker-: I can give you a program that you're free to do whatever with, but not the source code to it. Hence libre but not open.
2021-05-30 14:45:11	DLange	[R]: you should try beer some time
2021-05-30 14:45:14	ayecee	moniker-: open source is not always libre.
2021-05-30 14:45:25	triceratux	moniker-: freedom came first. open source came later. folks had to be reminded what libre means. it became a thing
2021-05-30 14:45:30	[R]	DLange: i took a sip once
2021-05-30 14:45:36	ayecee	moniker-: consider microsoft's shared source initiative
2021-05-30 14:45:37	[R]	DLange: i prefer vodka and such
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2021-05-30 14:45:52	oxek	free, as in you don't pay anything, libre, as in you're under no restrictions on what to do with it, open, as in you get to see the source code
2021-05-30 14:46:11	moniker-	so all open source is libre but not all libre is open source?
2021-05-30 14:46:26	oxek	moniker-: no, there can be open source, such as MS windows, which you're not allowed to do anything with
2021-05-30 14:46:32	triceratux	nope theyre intersectional
2021-05-30 14:46:44	ayecee	moniker-: no
2021-05-30 14:46:54	moniker-	wait, how is that open source oxek?
2021-05-30 14:47:08	ayecee	moniker-: the source is available
2021-05-30 14:47:10	ayecee	that's how
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2021-05-30 14:47:14	moniker-	hmm ok
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2021-05-30 14:47:47	[R]	lol
2021-05-30 14:47:48	moniker-	so the difference is the license
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2021-05-30 14:48:15	ayecee	sure, something like that
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2021-05-30 14:48:31	moniker-	wait, let me backtrack a bit
2021-05-30 14:48:39	moniker-	FOSS stands for free and open source
2021-05-30 14:48:47	moniker-	libre stands for free
2021-05-30 14:48:55	moniker-	so FLOSS stands for free free open source?
2021-05-30 14:49:04	ayecee	freedom from restrictions, not free as in price
2021-05-30 14:49:06	oxek	no, free libre open source
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2021-05-30 14:49:18	moniker-	so first free is free from price only?
2021-05-30 14:49:27	ayecee	it was ambiguous before
2021-05-30 14:49:27	oxek	yeah, if you use FLOSS
2021-05-30 14:49:54	oxek	if you say FOSS, then the 'free' is libre. If you say FLOSS, then the 'free' is price.
2021-05-30 14:50:11	oxek	moving on, it's GNU/Linux, not Linux.
2021-05-30 14:50:20	novelcoronavirus	no u
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2021-05-30 14:50:35	moniker-	i thought i got the distinction but now i dont again
2021-05-30 14:50:52	ayecee	well keep trying, you'll crack it
2021-05-30 14:51:00	oxek	moniker-: you don't really need to get it, it's pretty much meaningless anyway
2021-05-30 14:51:17	ayecee	no you're meaningless
2021-05-30 14:51:28	oxek	we're all meaningless
2021-05-30 14:51:30	moniker-	but isn't that the point of open source oxek? arguing over meaningless arbitrary definitions?
2021-05-30 14:51:37	moniker-	:)
2021-05-30 14:51:40	oxek	moniker-: that's GPL
2021-05-30 14:51:44	moniker-	kk
2021-05-30 14:52:06	triceratux	moniker-: you could say gratis unencumbered opensource. its annoying so folks just say free. it loses something in translation so folks become pedantic
2021-05-30 14:52:14	ayecee	well that is the point of the recently announced bikeshed linux
2021-05-30 14:52:15	moniker-	is there movement that is against licensing to begin with?
2021-05-30 14:52:23	moniker-	because licensing sounds capitalist
2021-05-30 14:52:43	oxek	ayecee: what color is your linux?
2021-05-30 14:53:06	ayecee	moniker-: in the absence of a license, the terms of copyright apply and no other user has permission to use or modify it.
2021-05-30 14:53:07	oxek	moniker-: that's copyleft, which is a separate thing entirely
2021-05-30 14:53:35	ayecee	you can release it into the public domain. i guess that's not technically a license.
2021-05-30 14:53:40	moniker-	is copyleft community strong and venn diagram pretty big with open source?
2021-05-30 14:53:51	moniker-	*overlap
2021-05-30 14:54:03	oxek	moniker-: I wouldn't say so, most open source is not part of copyleft community
2021-05-30 14:54:06	ayecee	not sure which word that replaces
2021-05-30 14:54:22	oxek	it's an insertion of word, not replacement
2021-05-30 14:54:30	ayecee	inserted where though
2021-05-30 14:54:36	oxek	you know where ;)
2021-05-30 14:54:37	moniker-	are you people for copyleft or copyright?
2021-05-30 14:54:38	ayecee	i don't
2021-05-30 14:54:43	oxek	up your butt
2021-05-30 14:54:46	ayecee	rude
2021-05-30 14:54:53	ayecee	you people?!
2021-05-30 14:54:53	oxek	I'm only joking :)
2021-05-30 14:55:00	moniker-	like where you lean
2021-05-30 14:55:06	oxek	I lean on the chair
2021-05-30 14:55:18	ayecee	you know, like you people do
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2021-05-30 14:55:29	oxek	also, I'm a bot, not people
2021-05-30 14:55:30	oxek	beep boop
2021-05-30 14:55:31	moniker-	yeah, what's wrong with you people?
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2021-05-30 14:55:49	moniker-	english is not my native language
2021-05-30 14:55:53	ayecee	moniker-: copyleft is a cheeky use of copyright.
2021-05-30 14:56:03	triceratux	moniker-: https://tldrlegal.com/license/idgaf-v1.0
2021-05-30 14:56:23	moniker-	lol
2021-05-30 14:56:45	ayecee	it uses copyright law to an end that copyright is not normally used for
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2021-05-30 14:56:55	moniker-	but that's the point no?
2021-05-30 14:57:02	ayecee	yes
2021-05-30 14:57:02	moniker-	otherwise you would still play the game by copyright rules
2021-05-30 14:57:05	oxek	there's CC0 for that
2021-05-30 14:57:12	ayecee	you still do
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2021-05-30 14:57:29	moniker-	CC = creative commons?
2021-05-30 14:57:34	ayecee	the goal is different but the rules are the same
2021-05-30 14:58:22	oxek	moniker-: https://creativecommons.org/choose/zero/
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2021-05-30 15:05:23	moniker-	hmm that seems to still be playing by the rules of copyright since only you are waiving your rights away
2021-05-30 15:05:44	moniker-	i guess what i meant was closer to software piracy, and that community is strong or?
2021-05-30 15:06:25	oxek	no discussion of software piracy in here
2021-05-30 15:06:48	moniker-	taboo?
2021-05-30 15:06:56	oxek	against channel rules
2021-05-30 15:07:04	moniker-	because of?
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2021-05-30 15:07:18	DLange	because illegal you douchebag
2021-05-30 15:07:24	oxek	other kind of piracy is fine to discuss, as long as it is linux related. Did you know the ships that deal in piracy off the african coast use linux?
2021-05-30 15:07:29	moniker-	wow so rude
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2021-05-30 15:07:45	DLange	well, ask another three times and I'm happy to show you rude
2021-05-30 15:07:47	oxek	yeah this channel just isn't the same after we lost some of the ops
2021-05-30 15:07:49	moniker-	how come other kind is fine
2021-05-30 15:07:50	DLange	your insisting is rude
2021-05-30 15:07:54	moniker-	what's the difference
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2021-05-30 15:13:09	moniker-	jim deserves volunteer of the month award most likely
2021-05-30 15:13:31	moniker-	he's nice
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2021-05-30 15:14:04	moniker-	well, let's hope this is the year of linux!
2021-05-30 15:15:15	jim	moniker-, the reason for that, is I'm trying to create a safe comfortable space for everyone
2021-05-30 15:15:36	moniker-	yes, you are as close to freenode's catalyst as i've seen here
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2021-05-30 15:15:45	moniker-	not perfect but as close
2021-05-30 15:16:40	jim	so, I greet people who say hi first and I try to deal with whatever comes up
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2021-05-30 15:19:03	moniker-	the reason for what might be perceived as childish questions is it reveals a lot that otherwise remains somewhat hidden
2021-05-30 15:19:12	jim	so, let's all drop any stress we have... relax and breathe
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2021-05-30 15:22:09	moniker-	phew, I thought it was for me
2021-05-30 15:22:24	Two_Dogs	is this where i get the free ipad?
2021-05-30 15:22:40	Two_Dogs	silver blush pls
2021-05-30 15:22:50	ayecee	what
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2021-05-30 15:23:30	DLange	Two_Dogs: you are in the right channel. It will run Linux though. Only as good as that runs on ipads.
2021-05-30 15:23:36	DLange	(aka bricks)
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2021-05-30 15:23:45	oxek	DLange: why feed them?
2021-05-30 15:23:56	moniker-	he feels generous?
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2021-05-30 15:24:58	mawk	ooo
2021-05-30 15:25:00	mawk	yes
2021-05-30 15:25:07	moniker-	anyhow is there a guide how to start contributing to linux open source community?
2021-05-30 15:25:19	ayecee	nope
2021-05-30 15:25:24	moniker-	not a dev but they say it's never too late to start
2021-05-30 15:25:52	jim	moniker-, but there's a lot you can contribute to, for example documentation
2021-05-30 15:26:05	moniker-	sorry but that's boring
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2021-05-30 15:26:11	moniker-	i want where the action is
2021-05-30 15:26:13	DLange	https://kernelnewbies.org/FirstKernelPatch https://elinux.org/images/2/24/Write-and-submit-your-first-Linux-kernel-patch-gregkh.pdf
2021-05-30 15:26:16	Two_Dogs	DLange, :), i run plasma(OpenSuse-TW) from the ipad via nomachine and considering all the hoops it runs almost native, i am not sure who the kudos all go to
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2021-05-30 15:26:42	jim	moniker-, so, do you code?
2021-05-30 15:26:45	DLange	Two_Dogs: definitely No Machine, Italian company iirc
2021-05-30 15:26:57	moniker-	kernel and stuff is probably totally out of reach, no i dont jim but i might start
2021-05-30 15:27:01	akk	moniker-: Lots of projects are very happy to get non-dev contributions, like documentation, tutorials, build support, community
2021-05-30 15:27:34	jim	moniker-, want to learn python (in a presentation meant for new programmers)?
2021-05-30 15:27:40	moniker-	how difficult is to write code for both windows and linux platform simultaneously?
2021-05-30 15:27:47	ayecee	about a 4
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2021-05-30 15:28:09	moniker-	python sounds like a good start for a newb
2021-05-30 15:28:11	Two_Dogs	DLange, not sure where they domicile
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2021-05-30 15:28:57	jim	moniker-, I have a pretty good video, of this pair of trainers who present python
2021-05-30 15:29:12	DLange	Two_Dogs: https://forums.nomachine.com/
2021-05-30 15:29:21	DLange	not modern enough for IRC :)
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2021-05-30 15:30:24	moniker-	feel free to provide url jim
2021-05-30 15:30:47	jim	moniker-, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHxoh9Rrtdk
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2021-05-30 15:31:12	jim	it moves slow and easy
2021-05-30 15:31:27	moniker-	ok thanks, bookmarked
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2021-05-30 15:32:46	Schrostfutz	I'm trying to generate sample streams of btrfs snapshot transmissions, I'm wondering whether I can generate these automatically as an unprivileged user from an container, I'm worried it won't work since I need root privileges. Can anyone help me with that?
2021-05-30 15:33:07	ayecee	help you with what
2021-05-30 15:33:20	ayecee	trying it to see if it works?
2021-05-30 15:33:42	Schrostfutz	ayecee: No, telling me whether there are fundamental issues with the idea
2021-05-30 15:34:21	ayecee	i think you're right, that it's an operation that requires a privileged user. but i'd also test it to see what happens.
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2021-05-30 15:34:50	Two_Dogs	Schrostfutz, when you say transmission, do you mean sniffing th packet traffic?
2021-05-30 15:34:55	Intruder777	In systemd *.service files - what does %t and %i means?
2021-05-30 15:35:08	ayecee	Intruder777: where do you see it
2021-05-30 15:35:16	ayecee	Intruder777: what it means depends on where you see it
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2021-05-30 15:35:36	Intruder777	ayecee: in ExecStart=
2021-05-30 15:35:47	jim	moniker-, could you try running: python3
2021-05-30 15:35:52	ayecee	what is the execstart line you see it in
2021-05-30 15:36:09	jim	if successful, you get out by typing: ctrl-D
2021-05-30 15:36:21	Intruder777	ayecee: /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/openvpn-server@server.service
2021-05-30 15:36:33	Schrostfutz	Two_Dogs: I'm looking to translate it into another format and for testing I'd like to generate sample data automatically.
2021-05-30 15:36:42	ayecee	Intruder777: i don't see an %t or %i in that
2021-05-30 15:36:58	moniker-	jim i'm not sure i follow, i have python 3.6 installed on windows and that's about it
2021-05-30 15:37:11	Schrostfutz	ayecee: Okay, thanks for your thoughts :)
2021-05-30 15:37:32	Intruder777	ayecee: probably mine was created by some script. So there is "ExecStart=/usr/sbin/openvpn --status %t/openvpn-server/status-%i.log --status-version 2 --suppress-timestamps --cipher AES-256-GCM --ncp-ciphers AES-256-GCM:AES-128-GCM:AES-256-CBC:AES-128-CBC:BF-CBC --config %i.conf"
2021-05-30 15:37:38	jim	oh ok, do you also run linux? or, do you want to run python in windows?
2021-05-30 15:37:51	jim	moniker-, ^^
2021-05-30 15:37:54	Two_Dogs	Schrostfutz, i dont see why you cant snapshot via btrfs your own user space and create a snapshot of some dummy folder
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2021-05-30 15:38:13	moniker-	i run linux in vm, usually elementaryos
2021-05-30 15:38:36	[R]	Intruder777: https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.unit.html
2021-05-30 15:38:47	jim	oh ok
2021-05-30 15:39:13	Schrostfutz	Two_Dogs: Yeah that could work but it would very much depend on the system I execute it on.
2021-05-30 15:39:32	ayecee	Intruder777: apparently called %-specifiers and described in systemd.unit manpage, https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man5/systemd.unit.5.html
2021-05-30 15:39:52	ayecee	%t is runtime directory root, %i is instance name
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2021-05-30 15:40:31	jim	moniker-, so you have a few choices... you can use the python3 on windows, or you could install it on linux and use it there
2021-05-30 15:40:36	Intruder777	[R]: ayecee: thanks. and what instance name would be? or where I can see the actual populated string? which log file?
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2021-05-30 15:41:39	[R]	Intruder777: the documetnation explains exalyc what the instance name is...
2021-05-30 15:41:56	ayecee	[R]: okay so what would it be in this case
2021-05-30 15:42:14	[R]	seeing as he dindt include the name of the file
2021-05-30 15:42:17	[R]	would you like me to guess?
2021-05-30 15:42:23	ayecee	the name of which file
2021-05-30 15:42:29	[R]	the file the line is in...
2021-05-30 15:42:36	ayecee	he did say that
2021-05-30 15:42:42	[R]	where?
2021-05-30 15:42:50	[R]	oh i see it
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2021-05-30 15:43:01	[R]	well, the docuetantio explains exactly what the instance is
2021-05-30 15:43:05	Two_Dogs	the openvpn service file?
2021-05-30 15:43:06	[R]	so if you cant figure it out yourself...
2021-05-30 15:43:10	Intruder777	[R]: For instantiated units this is the string between the first "@" character and the type suffix. Empty for non-instantiated units. - is it related to openvpn-server@server.service file name?
2021-05-30 15:43:41	[R]	well tahts the unit...
2021-05-30 15:43:51	Intruder777	so %i should be "server"?
2021-05-30 15:43:55	ayecee	if you can't figure it out yourself... you're in good company with [R]
2021-05-30 15:44:03	Two_Dogs	Intruder777, look at
2021-05-30 15:44:10	moniker-	jim if I do start, I'll probably start in windows since that's what I'm more familiar with, but without OS dependencies, some simple code should run without modification on linux no?
2021-05-30 15:44:32	Two_Dogs	Intruder777, is the service running now?
2021-05-30 15:44:55	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: nope, it fails to start, that's why I'm trying to figure out it's starting command
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2021-05-30 15:45:08	jim	moniker-, yeah, mostly, it should work the same way on any OS you have it running on
2021-05-30 15:45:15	moniker-	great
2021-05-30 15:45:31	Two_Dogs	Intruder777, via terminal> journalctl -b --pri=3 ## look for vpn
2021-05-30 15:45:39	Intruder777	[R]: I just don't understand what "unit" means in this case
2021-05-30 15:45:58	Two_Dogs	Intruder777, systemd is all 'unit' files
2021-05-30 15:46:05	[R]	Intruder777: the documetnation explains it all...
2021-05-30 15:46:13	[R]	start at the first line, and read to the end
2021-05-30 15:46:14	ayecee	[R]: come on man. don't be a dick.
2021-05-30 15:46:35	ayecee	if you don't know, and don't want to look it up, that's cool. sit back and relax.
2021-05-30 15:47:24	ayecee	i wonder if there's a way to launch a service "verbosely", so that it reports the full commands it runs
2021-05-30 15:47:30	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: so in my case unit name is "openvpn-server@server.service" right?
2021-05-30 15:47:54	jim	Intruder777, a really great man page to read, is man systemd... because: it gives you a broad overview of systemd, and tells you which man page to read for when you want to look at the details of something
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2021-05-30 15:48:32	Two_Dogs	ayecee, yes, there is :) journalctl can drill down to a service and really delve into the innards
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2021-05-30 15:48:44	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: `journalctl -b --pri=3` -- this is full of "systemd[1]: Failed to start OpenVPN service for server." messages
2021-05-30 15:48:51	ayecee	Two_Dogs: so that it reports the full command that was run?
2021-05-30 15:49:09	Two_Dogs	Intruder777, there you go, start at first error shown
2021-05-30 15:49:15	ayecee	...
2021-05-30 15:49:22	Two_Dogs	ayecee, yeap
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2021-05-30 15:49:35	ayecee	Two_Dogs: how
2021-05-30 15:49:52	jim	Intruder777, a systemd unit, is a setup that's usually defined in a file, that has the knowledge of how to start or stop some service
2021-05-30 15:50:04	Two_Dogs	ayecee, want to see the systemd tree? via terminal> systemctl status
2021-05-30 15:50:16	ayecee	Two_Dogs: no.
2021-05-30 15:50:21	Two_Dogs	no?
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2021-05-30 15:50:32	Two_Dogs	ok
2021-05-30 15:50:38	ayecee	Two_Dogs: i feel like maybe you didn't understand the question.
2021-05-30 15:50:46	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: but there is only couple of some sshd errors there and all other strings are just "systemd[1]: Failed to start OpenVPN service for server."
2021-05-30 15:50:47	Two_Dogs	ayecee, perhaps
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2021-05-30 15:51:27	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: no other info in `journalctl -b --pri=3`
2021-05-30 15:51:45	ayecee	Two_Dogs: Intruder777's service template has %t and %i macros, and he wants to see what the resulting command was, i.e. the command line with the macros expanded.
2021-05-30 15:52:08	Two_Dogs	Intruder777, pri=3 is just errors, you can expand the pri to 4.....? 7
2021-05-30 15:52:19	naivesheep	is there a way to fork and suspend a child process, then clone or duplicate that child?
2021-05-30 15:52:30	ayecee	naivesheep: nope
2021-05-30 15:52:55	naivesheep	hmm, ok. thanks
2021-05-30 15:53:16	Two_Dogs	ayecee, i am not sure
2021-05-30 15:53:32	ayecee	Two_Dogs: yeah, it seemed like it.
2021-05-30 15:53:58	ayecee	this serverfault post suggests that there isn't a trivial way to do it: https://serverfault.com/questions/803844/how-to-debug-systemd-unit-execstart
2021-05-30 15:53:59	Two_Dogs	ayecee, yeap, sitting back and relaxing
2021-05-30 15:53:59	rascul	my journalctl man page has --priority not --pri
2021-05-30 15:54:28	jim	moniker-, as long as you're doing this on windows, you can use the same editor they use in the video, which is visual studio
2021-05-30 15:54:34	Two_Dogs	--pri must be special
2021-05-30 15:54:36	ayecee	well except to increase systemd LogLevel= to debug, globally.
2021-05-30 15:54:43	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: I see, thanks. But how can I find out what was actual full command which systemd tried to run?
2021-05-30 15:55:02	rascul	it accepts --pri just like --priority though
2021-05-30 15:55:05	Two_Dogs	Intruder777, look at the unit file
2021-05-30 15:55:10	ayecee	Intruder777: he doesn't know
2021-05-30 15:55:26	Two_Dogs	ayecee, i know to look at the unit file
2021-05-30 15:55:32	Two_Dogs	ayecee, thnks
2021-05-30 15:55:44	ayecee	Two_Dogs: but not how to address the question at hand
2021-05-30 15:55:59	Two_Dogs	ayecee, he asked where to look scooter
2021-05-30 15:56:01	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: unit file has "variables" in it, so I thought there might be some log where it stores the parsed command
2021-05-30 15:56:07	ayecee	Two_Dogs: nope
2021-05-30 15:56:14	moniker-	jim I'll probably go for vscode
2021-05-30 15:56:34	ayecee	Two_Dogs: gotta read the question
2021-05-30 15:56:42	ayecee	Two_Dogs: can't just get the gist by osmosis
2021-05-30 15:56:49	rascul	reverse osmosis
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2021-05-30 15:57:15	Two_Dogs	ayecee, you turning this into a dick contest? you win
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2021-05-30 15:57:49	ayecee	Two_Dogs: no, i'm pointing out that you have not understood the problem and continue to not understand the problem.
2021-05-30 15:58:06	Two_Dogs	[15:54] <Intruder777> Two_Dogs: I see, thanks. But how can I find out what was actual full command which systemd tried to run? <-- the unit file
2021-05-30 15:58:07	ayecee	scooter.
2021-05-30 15:58:25	ayecee	Two_Dogs: no. you're still doing it.
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2021-05-30 15:58:34	rascul	the unit file doesn't necessarily tell you the verbatim command that is run because of things like variables
2021-05-30 15:58:48	ayecee	that file doesn't contain the actual full command. you can maybe _figure out_ what the full command _should have been_
2021-05-30 15:59:07	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: unit file has something like /start/the/file --dir=%t/server-%i.log
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2021-05-30 15:59:54	ayecee	Two_Dogs: it's okay to say "i don't know how to get that", and doubly okay because there doesn't seem to be an easy way to do that.
2021-05-30 15:59:58	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: and I'm wondering if there are logs which have that command "parsed", so in case there are lot's of those placeholders in there I can quickly see the actual command
2021-05-30 16:01:07	Two_Dogs	ayecee, i fear my opinion on this may cause me to be shown the door, sir
2021-05-30 16:01:43	ayecee	Two_Dogs: it's a technical problem. it's not a measure of your worth.
2021-05-30 16:01:48	Two_Dogs	unless you have no admin rights here
2021-05-30 16:01:53	ayecee	treat it a technical problem.
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2021-05-30 16:01:56	ayecee	don't get all ego about it.
2021-05-30 16:02:03	Two_Dogs	ayecee, ego?
2021-05-30 16:02:23	Two_Dogs	i am seeing fucking ego galore
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2021-05-30 16:03:09	ayecee	Intruder777: one person suggested launching the program with a wrapper instead, to report the arguments.
2021-05-30 16:03:13	Intruder777	Two_Dogs: and the documentation says that %i is a "For instantiated units this is the string between the first "@" character and the type suffix. Empty for non-instantiated units." - I don't understand what string is it talking about? a unit file name?
2021-05-30 16:03:19	katp32	hi, I'm trinyg to compile a linux image for an embedded platform, however I'm getting an ELF binary; how do I build a raw binary?
2021-05-30 16:03:38	rascul	someunit@butterflies.service
2021-05-30 16:03:45	Two_Dogs	Intruder777, another unit file?
2021-05-30 16:03:46	ayecee	katp32: what is a raw binary
2021-05-30 16:03:46	rascul	%i would be butterflies if i recall correctly
2021-05-30 16:04:03	Intruder777	rascul: so in your example %i is "butterflies"?
2021-05-30 16:04:09	katp32	ayecee: executable code without any ELF header.
2021-05-30 16:04:10	rascul	i think so
2021-05-30 16:04:31	Two_Dogs	rascul, :)
2021-05-30 16:04:36	ayecee	katp32: how should it be formatted instead
2021-05-30 16:04:43	katp32	..?
2021-05-30 16:04:47	rascul	i don't remember what %t is
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2021-05-30 16:05:09	Intruder777	%t is "This is either /run/ (for the system manager) or the path "$XDG_RUNTIME_DIR" resolves to (for user managers)."
2021-05-30 16:05:15	ayecee	katp32: what would be an example of something that uses code like that
2021-05-30 16:05:19	katp32	it's... it's.. executable code? there's no format, it's just instructions for the CPU to execute?
2021-05-30 16:05:33	katp32	an example would be the CFE bootloader on the device I'm trying to flash
2021-05-30 16:06:05	katp32	it does not parse ELF heades, it directly jumps execution into the kernel's location in memory
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2021-05-30 16:07:11	ayecee	so you're building a linux kernel, or what?
2021-05-30 16:07:25	sbef	Hello everyone!
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2021-05-30 16:07:54	ayecee	katp32: sorry, i misunderstood what you were asking.
2021-05-30 16:08:00	katp32	ah
2021-05-30 16:08:06	katp32	yes, I'm trying to build the kernel
2021-05-30 16:08:54	ayecee	essentially trying to use the kernel without a bootloader, i guess
2021-05-30 16:09:10	katp32	yeah, pretty much
2021-05-30 16:09:44	ayecee	if that's possible, i reckon it'd be something platform specific. what's this for?
2021-05-30 16:10:11	ayecee	normally the bootloader would be responsible for some hardware initialization before the kernel starts
2021-05-30 16:10:34	katp32	an Asus RT-N16 router, it's definitely possible because OpenWrt does it; unfortunately, OpenWrt's makefiles are a mess, so I'm not able to figure out what exactly it's doing
2021-05-30 16:10:56	ayecee	i thought openwrt uses u-boot, no?
2021-05-30 16:11:58	katp32	it depends on the device; this device has a Broadcom BCM4718, which uses Broadcom's proprietary CFE bootloader
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2021-05-30 16:13:12	JohnDoe2	having trouble figuring out which process is listening on port 80. It's also not responding when I try to curl. "lsof -i :80" gives me nothing. netstat -anp|grep -P '\b80\b' gives me: tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:80            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      -
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2021-05-30 16:13:26	katp32	as far as I can tell, CFE is just verifying the firmware image and then trying to jump directly into the kernel
2021-05-30 16:13:34	ayecee	JohnDoe2: doing that as root?
2021-05-30 16:13:43	JohnDoe2	no, good point
2021-05-30 16:13:45	katp32	(it would be helpful if OpenWrt provided more documentation..)
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2021-05-30 16:14:05	JohnDoe2	ayecee thank you it's not listing it :D docker-proxy
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2021-05-30 16:14:21	JohnDoe2	not = now ....
2021-05-30 16:14:28	ayecee	:)
2021-05-30 16:14:37	JohnDoe2	hehe sorry :) but thanks again
2021-05-30 16:14:50	ayecee	easy mistake to make
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2021-05-30 16:15:43	ayecee	katp32: did some quick searches but it's not clear what kind of format broadcom expects.
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2021-05-30 16:18:18	katp32	ayecee: yeah, it's pretty frustrating; that being said, OpenWrt does have some information about the format of the TRX files it takes (as well as a program which generates them), and CFE seems to be accepting my firmware images. apart from that, I did a hexdump on my image and an OpenWrt image I know works, and one significant difference I can see is that OpenWrt's image does not have an ELF header
2021-05-30 16:18:20	katp32	at the start of the kernel partition. thus, why I want to try building my kernel image without the ELF header
2021-05-30 16:18:48	ayecee	what does "file" say about the file that works?
2021-05-30 16:19:26	katp32	oh, it just says "data", since the file in question is a TRX firmware image
2021-05-30 16:20:19	katp32	I suppose I could extract the kernel from that image, but like I said, hexdump shows that there's no ELF header
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2021-05-30 16:21:38	ayecee	what is in its place?
2021-05-30 16:22:22	katp32	nothing I immediately recognize, likely just machine code
2021-05-30 16:23:09	ayecee	i see
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2021-05-30 16:24:22	ayecee	my understanding is that it would be some sort of bootloader code, and not a bare headerless kernel
2021-05-30 16:24:37	ayecee	not sure if that's even a thing
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2021-05-30 16:25:26	ayecee	but that doesn't really get you closer to booting :(
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2021-05-30 16:30:19	triceratux	woo woo i sshed into the pi, ran gomuks-linux-arm, signed onto matrix & got to the freenode bridge :)
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2021-05-30 16:33:11	triceratux	when the pi asks for the invite the phone vibrates cause theyre both signed on o.O
2021-05-30 16:33:21	triceratux	matrix is a miracle
2021-05-30 16:35:22	katp32	ayecee: openwrt has some fancy stuff going on because they're doing an extra layer of compression on the kernel, so the first partition is actually a loader that decompresses the kernel rather than the kernel itself. nevertheless, I believe it's effectively the same, CFE jumps execution directly to the start of the first partition, so I need a kernel image (or something else) that's directly
2021-05-30 16:35:23	katp32	executable by the CPU
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2021-05-30 16:38:24	twainwek	GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
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2021-05-30 16:57:05	simbaclaws	date
2021-05-30 16:57:18	simbaclaws	oops wrong window
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2021-05-30 17:10:27	LtL	-++
2021-05-30 17:10:31	LtL	+++++++++++
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2021-05-30 17:12:53	LtL	sorry 'bout that.
2021-05-30 17:13:00	[R]	was it a cat?
2021-05-30 17:13:15	LtL	uh, no. elbow reaching.
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2021-05-30 17:17:11	[R]	then appology not accepted
2021-05-30 17:17:11	[R]	:P
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2021-05-30 17:40:45	katp32	ayecee: in case you were curious, using a gzipped kernel image with no ELF header (which, once built, is located in arch/mips/boot/comopressed/vmlinux.bin.z in the kernel source tree) does indeed allow the firmware to boot the kernel. after building such a firmware image, I'm now getting different errors on the serial console about kernel drivers and a missing rootfs, so indeed execution has moved
2021-05-30 17:40:47	katp32	into the kernel ^-^
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2021-05-30 17:47:32	ayecee	katp32: huh. well, thanks for that :)
2021-05-30 17:47:59	NGC3982	you can be a thank
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2021-05-30 17:50:08	katp32	getting this router to work has been quite a journey... had to fix CFE with JTAG, and flash the firmware over serial and TFTP... very glad I've finally got the kernel running, now I'm in home territory ;D
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2021-05-30 18:11:15	shimbles	Welcome to soldnode IRC. We sold the "free" in "free" node. Then we renamed it to "libera" node so we can sell it again. No we won't show you the receipts on where we spent the money, but you can imagine. Rule 34.
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2021-05-30 18:11:42	ayecee	wrong channel buddy
2021-05-30 18:11:50	[R]	hes not your buddy, guy
2021-05-30 18:11:58	ayecee	i'm not your guy, friend
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2021-05-30 18:13:08	ayecee	geez how long ago was that episode
2021-05-30 18:13:25	ayecee	2008, apparently.
2021-05-30 18:13:53	[R]	a lot of the kids here won't even get the refernece
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2021-05-30 18:15:44	bagira	[R] is a reference
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2021-05-30 18:16:14	[R]	i dont see a &, do you?
2021-05-30 18:16:29	bagira	[R], no and it's never coming back :(
2021-05-30 18:16:31	ayecee	quite possibly a circular reference. you know, to foil the garbage collector.
2021-05-30 18:17:11	[R]	garbage collectors are for sissies
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2021-05-30 18:17:44	shimbles	The first rule of soldnode is, we don't talk about it. You are allowed discuss something something LGPL something something, but if the fact that we sold something not protected by the LGPL comes up, we will harass you, troll you while calling you a troll, and then ban you.
2021-05-30 18:18:21	ayecee	might be a bot
2021-05-30 18:18:35	ayecee	no apparent situational awareness
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2021-05-30 18:18:52	shimbles	ayecee is now preparing Richard Stallman's feces packed into a glitter bomb to be sent to my IP address
2021-05-30 18:19:13	ayecee	okay, turing test tentatively passed.
2021-05-30 18:19:25	[R]	RoFL
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2021-05-30 18:20:41	katp32	idk, could still be an AI
2021-05-30 18:20:53	[R]	you think its intelligent?
2021-05-30 18:21:13	ayecee	it's talking, and you're talking.
2021-05-30 18:21:39	ayecee	feature parity
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2021-05-30 18:21:45	katp32	lol
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2021-05-30 18:27:57	shimbles	I just received the receipts from what the soldnode board spent the money on from the sale
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2021-05-30 18:28:08	oxek	don't engage them
2021-05-30 18:28:14	shimbles	https://elliottequipco.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Garbage-Truck-Volkswagen-1.jpg
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2021-05-30 18:29:04	shimbles	yes, according to the valuation notes, engagement was low on soldnode, which didn't lead to enough pr0n subscriptions to go around
2021-05-30 18:29:19	oxek	!ops ^
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2021-05-30 18:29:46	shimbles	it is indicated here that discussion of the fact that the "libera" champions sold soldnode is to be strictly banned and the enforcer is a dickhead moron named oxek
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2021-05-30 18:30:33	ayecee	still needs a nick and a reason. i picture it as a notification message that shows up in a window without the context.
2021-05-30 18:30:58	oxek	I don't even know if the current chanops have it setup
2021-05-30 18:31:05	oxek	I miss sauvin
2021-05-30 18:31:08	katp32	not an AI, just an idiot :P
2021-05-30 18:31:51	ayecee	i don't know either, but might as well use it right.
2021-05-30 18:32:09	katp32	is there a way to get the kernel to print out a list of everything in /dev rather than hanging on "Waiting for root device" forever?
2021-05-30 18:32:30	ayecee	not that specifically, no
2021-05-30 18:32:40	jim	moniker-, that should work fine
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2021-05-30 18:33:01	katp32	print any helpful information for what devices might be available to look for the rootfs?
2021-05-30 18:33:11	shimbles	if we torture him and pretend to be juveniles we can hide our kardeshev society
2021-05-30 18:33:12	[R]	katp32: sure thats coming from the kernel and not the ramdisk?
2021-05-30 18:33:26	katp32	there is no initramfs, so, yes, it's definitely coming from the kernel
2021-05-30 18:33:31	shimbles	also if we build our RAM out of cosmic rays we dont need ECC
2021-05-30 18:33:39	[R]	katp32: then you'll nee dto modifyt the code
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2021-05-30 18:34:03	ayecee	katp32: what device is it waiting for?
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2021-05-30 18:35:05	katp32	"/dev/mtdblock2", but I just put that in there as a wild guess, I have literally no idea what, if any, devices it's detecting
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2021-05-30 18:35:05	[R]	katp32: then set up a ramdisk that just runs a shell
2021-05-30 18:35:15	katp32	[R]: that doesn't help because then I'd just have the problem of "where does the kernel load the initramfs from"
2021-05-30 18:35:30	[R]	katp32: you can include it in the kernel
2021-05-30 18:35:36	ayecee	katp32: beyond the normal kernel messages showing the devices as they're detected, i can't think of a way to do that.
2021-05-30 18:35:40	[R]	or your bootloader loads it and apsases it to the kernel
2021-05-30 18:35:54	ayecee	no bootloader, i think.
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2021-05-30 18:36:02	[R]	then you include it in the kernel
2021-05-30 18:36:04	ayecee	well i guess the broadcom cfe bootloader.
2021-05-30 18:36:13	katp32	hrm, building the initramfs into the kernel is a thing? I suppose that could work for the sake of debugging, but I suspect cross compiling an initramfs will be annoying..
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2021-05-30 18:36:37	[R]	an initramfs is just an archive
2021-05-30 18:36:51	ayecee	you're just a bag of meat and blood
2021-05-30 18:37:16	[R]	according to star trek im an "Ugly giant bags of mostly water"
2021-05-30 18:37:21	pnbeast	And beer, for some of us.
2021-05-30 18:37:28	katp32	not incorrect
2021-05-30 18:38:49	ayecee	a cpio archive containing programs native to the target platform, yeah
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2021-05-30 18:39:39	ayecee	something you'd prepare separately from the kernel build process, and then tell the kernel build where to find the file you'd prepared
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2021-05-30 18:39:54	katp32	...horrible, horrible idea but, technically, could I just build the entire rootfs into the kernel? it's already read-only so...
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2021-05-30 18:40:21	shimbles	this just in, freenode is now licensed under the LGPL
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2021-05-30 18:40:31	shimbles	anyone using it for work purposes will be sued for money
2021-05-30 18:40:34	katp32	that would be somewhat more convenient, since then I don't have to deal with CFE's firmware format
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2021-05-30 18:40:52	shimbles	anyone who uses money to buy food will be banned
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2021-05-30 18:41:19	katp32	(and would functionally be the same since CFE won't allow me to write to the rootfs anyways or the checksum will break)
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2021-05-30 18:42:02	ayecee	katp32: i don't see why not
2021-05-30 18:42:19	katp32	hrm, then I just need to figure out the correct kernel options to do so..
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2021-05-30 18:42:26	ayecee	well i guess the downside is that the files take up memory even when they're not being used.
2021-05-30 18:42:29	shimbles	instead of running ops, no matter what happens, pretend that you have the upper hand
2021-05-30 18:42:32	shimbles	that way you never run out of RAM
2021-05-30 18:42:36	ayecee	the cpio is unpacked into memory
2021-05-30 18:42:55	katp32	heh, the system actually has more RAM than it has flash, so it doesn't really matter
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2021-05-30 18:43:40	ayecee	nice
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2021-05-30 18:53:37	Intruder777	are there any diagnostic and recovery live cds based on CentOS?
2021-05-30 18:54:24	ayecee	doesn't seem likely
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2021-05-30 18:55:20	danieldg	someone probably has a livecd based on centos, and any livecd *can* be used to diagnose and recover...
2021-05-30 18:55:39	 *	[R] diagnoses danieldg 
2021-05-30 18:55:45	shimbles	freerice.com
2021-05-30 18:55:57	 *	danieldg returns error code 0
2021-05-30 18:56:18	shimbles	true dat
2021-05-30 18:56:21	 *	[R] forces fsck on danieldg 
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2021-05-30 19:00:29	jim	Intruder777, there are live cds based on many of the linux dists... just pick one
2021-05-30 19:01:16	shimbles	Kardashev Koans
2021-05-30 19:01:17	shimbles	if you make your RAM out of cosmic rays, you don't need error correction
2021-05-30 19:01:17	shimbles	hide adult societies behind juvenile societies
2021-05-30 19:01:18	shimbles	language is meaningless
2021-05-30 19:01:18	shimbles	drugs feel good until the no free lunch theorem steals the cookie monster
2021-05-30 19:01:19	shimbles	ruin a man after you've been put to sleep but can't remember and then get tortured anyway
2021-05-30 19:01:19	shimbles	god is complex but your god complex isn't
2021-05-30 19:01:20	shimbles	there is no substitute for hard work; especially when you have no hands, pretend to have the upper hand
2021-05-30 19:01:20	shimbles	you can brute force infinity with any advanced compression algorithm
2021-05-30 19:01:21	shimbles	when you lose control, try trolling
2021-05-30 19:01:21	shimbles	when its time to die pretend to be really, really dumb instead
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2021-05-30 19:05:21	Intruder777	jim: I'm looking specifically for red hat/centos based one
2021-05-30 19:06:23	Intruder777	danieldg: I realize that any live cd can be used for it, but I'm looking for an ISO image with multiple diagnostic/recovery software tools pre-installed
2021-05-30 19:07:26	danieldg	there's no reason to restrict yourself by the distro of the livecd
2021-05-30 19:07:27	shimbles	https://www.system-rescue.org/
2021-05-30 19:07:56	shimbles	i agree; you should use gentoo to create a Profile Guided Optimization-based recovery CD that is highly tuned to recovery tasks
2021-05-30 19:08:16	shimbles	acting like a hangover cure, this will allow you to recover as fast as possible
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2021-05-30 19:11:35	Intruder777	shimbles: as far as I understand, this one is arch linux based
2021-05-30 19:12:08	Intruder777	danieldg: I need their repos, that's why I'm restricted
2021-05-30 19:12:12	shimbles	if you need to perform recovery tasks on arch linux, you should use an arch linux live cd
2021-05-30 19:12:25	shimbles	from there, install the tools you need
2021-05-30 19:12:54	Intruder777	shimbles: I'm not really targeting for arch linux recovery. I need centos/redhat based live cd
2021-05-30 19:12:59	danieldg	Intruder777: you can access repos from any cd
2021-05-30 19:13:16	shimbles	that's true, however, depending on the recovery task, it is not wise to use incompatible binaries
2021-05-30 19:13:32	Intruder777	danieldg: it's a pain. not all distros have needed software, etc.
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2021-05-30 19:14:47	Intruder777	shimbles: I used that system-rescue and had hard time installing a missing tool. It was missing from their repo, so I had to 'git clone' it and then 'makepkg'. that was a pain
2021-05-30 19:15:30	katp32	does anyone here know how gen_init_cpio works? you can include individual files with `file`, but there doesn't seem to be a way to include entire directories
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2021-05-30 19:53:29	katp32	is there a way to set a linux config option when calling `make`, so I don't have to modify .config in my Makefile?
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2021-05-30 21:00:46	triceratux	the bridge is up https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/issues/1324 long live the bridge :D
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2021-05-30 21:01:21	rascul	get off my bridge
2021-05-30 21:01:43	 *	[R] goes under rascul's bridge
2021-05-30 21:01:48	rascul	none shall pass
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2021-05-30 21:02:24	 *	rascul grabs [R] and throws him in the pit of puppies
2021-05-30 21:02:36	[R]	NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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2021-05-30 21:02:41	 *	[R] gets his attack cats ready
2021-05-30 21:03:20	rascul	if you don't want to go in then i will
2021-05-30 21:03:28	 *	rascul grabs some treats and enters the pit of puppies
2021-05-30 21:03:55	[R]	too bad
2021-05-30 21:03:58	[R]	the cats scared them all
2021-05-30 21:04:11	oxek	what does the bridge mean for us?
2021-05-30 21:04:17	rascul	i dunno
2021-05-30 21:04:24	rascul	i'll let you by if you give me a beer, though
2021-05-30 21:04:38	 *	[R] gets a root beer for rascul 
2021-05-30 21:04:38	rascul	or you can go through the pit of puppies
2021-05-30 21:04:43	rascul	whatever you want
2021-05-30 21:04:49	rascul	root beer is acceptable
2021-05-30 21:05:08	[R]	i awayays loved how no one drank soda on star trek DS9... but they had root beer
2021-05-30 21:05:29	rascul	root beer is all anyone ever really needs
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2021-05-30 21:09:19	pnbeast	There used to be a place in the next town that sold real root beer.  It's pretty awesome.  I think it's carcinogenic, though, or something awful like that.
2021-05-30 21:09:36	[R]	vs the f ake stuff?
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2021-05-30 21:10:22	pnbeast	The fake stuff is carbonated sugar water with a couple of other things, just like every other soda.  "Unremarkable" is the best you can say about it.
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2021-05-30 21:11:01	katp32	(does anyone know what on earth "Kernel panic - not syncing: invalid magic at start of compressed archive" means?)
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2021-05-30 21:14:04	rascul	maybe your initrd thing is messed up
2021-05-30 21:14:12	rascul	*initramfs
2021-05-30 21:14:21	katp32	that's what I figured, but I'm not sure how :P
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2021-05-30 21:15:19	katp32	the initramfs isn't even compressed, for the record, and the kernel was told this as well, the kernel isn't built with support for compressed initramfs at all and has been explicitly told that it is not compressed. as for the initramfs itself, I can't see anything wrong with it either?
2021-05-30 21:15:31	rascul	oh
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2021-05-30 21:17:10	katp32	I assume that error message just says compressed because whoever wrote it assumed the initramfs is compressed, but still, there's some kind of problem, and I can't figure out what >.<
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2021-05-30 21:20:52	altwulf	I can't remember what is was in root beer that was supposely carcinogenic. Sarsparilla, maybe?
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2021-05-30 21:22:36	altwulf	Ah. That or sassafras. Problematic constituent: safroe.
2021-05-30 21:22:39	altwulf	Safrole.
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2021-05-30 21:25:07	rascul	you're carcinogenic
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2021-05-30 21:29:20	emma	what is root beer?
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2021-05-30 21:30:01	pnbeast	If you ferment some root, you get root beer!
2021-05-30 21:30:29	emma	just any root?
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2021-05-30 21:31:20	pnbeast	No, some specific root.  I'm sure the intarwebz know all about it.
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2021-05-30 21:32:46	katp32	root beer is what I would be drinking if I wasn't stuck trying to get this stupid initramfs to work >.<
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2021-05-30 21:35:26	_Ev	I have a remote proxy service I need to connect to (subdomain.foo.bar). Curl shows that service is working. Using proxychains with a subdomain is not allowed. I tried to map the foreign host in my /etc/hosts file to no avail. Any suggestions on how I could get this working with proxychains?
2021-05-30 21:36:11	pnbeast	For that I think you're supposed to drink Mt. Dew.  (and eat Cheatos)
2021-05-30 21:39:42	_Ev	Woops, meant to post on freenode chan
2021-05-30 21:41:46	_Ev	Double woops, looks like channels are merged.
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2021-05-30 21:57:50	questi	hello
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2021-05-30 21:58:26	questi	who here drives automatic transmission car?
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2021-05-30 21:58:44	questi	no one in ##cars xd
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2021-05-30 22:03:23	questi	Remember, we do not support spamming or advertising other networks in channels topics or in other forms
2021-05-30 22:03:27	questi	xd
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2021-05-30 22:09:04	katp32	is there something I can enable to get the kernel to give more verbose output or something? I still can't figure out this stupid "invalid magic at start of compressed archive" issue
2021-05-30 22:09:59	altwulf	questi, you might not. Take the trolling on the road.
2021-05-30 22:10:02	bagira	katp32, have you tried regenerating your initramfs?
2021-05-30 22:10:07	katp32	yes
2021-05-30 22:10:41	bagira	katp32, see if you can capture the exact error and report it
2021-05-30 22:10:50	katp32	exact error?
2021-05-30 22:11:11	katp32	the full message is literally just "Kernel panic - not syncing: invalid magic at start of compressed archive". it provides no other information.
2021-05-30 22:11:19	altwulf	katp32: sometimes, a well-worded error message can tell a clueful person exactly what went wrong.
2021-05-30 22:11:39	katp32	after that message, the kernel halts and provides no additional output
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2021-05-30 22:11:48	katp32	before that message, there's nothing initramfs-related
2021-05-30 22:11:48	altwulf	"invalid magic" suggests to me a munched archive.
2021-05-30 22:12:03	katp32	indeed, but I can't find anything wrong with the archive
2021-05-30 22:12:59	katp32	`file` says it's the correct format, same format as my laptop's initramfs. extracting it shows all the right files in all the right places. I can upload it if you want to take a look, but I can't find anything wrong with it
2021-05-30 22:13:35	altwulf	I've never faced this kind of problem and so won't be worth anything :(
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2021-05-30 22:14:07	katp32	yeah, google isn't much help either :(
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2021-05-30 22:25:30	katp32	hrm, is it possible that that error is coming from /sbin/init and not from the kernel at all? seems unlikely but I'm at a complete loss
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2021-05-30 22:26:41	bagira	wasn't there some package for initramfs decompression that changed format expectation and broke a bunch of machines a while back
2021-05-30 22:27:13	katp32	yeah, there's some stuff on the arch forums about that, but I'm building my own kernel and initramfs so that should be irrelevant
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2021-05-30 22:31:19	superleaf1995	hello how can i install libraries (deb based system) for developing OpenGL 2.1?
2021-05-30 22:31:42	superleaf1995	my current dev libraries only use opengl 1.4 and my computer dosent supports OGL 2.1, but i have the crazy idea of software emulating it
2021-05-30 22:32:02	superleaf1995	because let's be honest - nobody uses opengl 1.4 or opengl 2.1
2021-05-30 22:32:38	superleaf1995	i don't know how to tell mesa to expose the functions for opengl 2.1
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2021-05-30 22:33:55	freebds	how would i check logs of a software installed on linux
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2021-05-30 22:34:39	jim	superleaf1995, well you need to know what packages to install, specifically their names
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2021-05-30 22:35:55	jim	superleaf1995, what if you try: apt-cache search opengl
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2021-05-30 22:38:56	pnbeast	freebds, it depends on your package manager.  Also, it might appear in your regular system logs and/or be logged as a sudo-run event in your logs.  Check your package manager's logging, first, I think.
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2021-05-30 22:39:29	freebds	ok
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2021-05-30 22:39:56	pnbeast	freebds, or am I misunderstanding?  You want to see logs from a given piece of software, instead?  That depends entirely on what it is.  E.g., "ls" doesn't log anything, ever.  "httpd" logs a lot by default.
2021-05-30 22:40:08	rindolf	pnbeast: they left
2021-05-30 22:40:24	pnbeast	I see that.
2021-05-30 22:40:35	rindolf	pnbeast: ah
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2021-05-30 22:41:08	 *	rindolf prefers free bdsm… ;) j/k
2021-05-30 22:41:17	katp32	wooo
2021-05-30 22:41:21	katp32	initramfs isn't broken now
2021-05-30 22:41:37	rindolf	katp32: great! progress
2021-05-30 22:41:39	katp32	but I still get a kenerl panic, "Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
2021-05-30 22:41:48	jim	I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me, than a prefrontal lobotomy
2021-05-30 22:41:50	pnbeast	katp32, you spelled "woot" incorrectly!
2021-05-30 22:42:09	katp32	how do I tell the kernel to just not mount a root fs, since I don't have one?
2021-05-30 22:42:11	pnbeast	What'd you do to fix it?
2021-05-30 22:42:19	katp32	ohh, the fix was really stupid
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2021-05-30 22:42:51	pnbeast	Well what was it?  No one here seemed to guess it, did they?
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2021-05-30 22:43:39	katp32	essentially, the kernel option to select what compression to use is a red herring, it's apparently unused unless the kernel is building it itself, and furthermore, the kernel refuses to load an uncompressed initramfs, and furthermore, the kernel *requires* the initramfs to end in .cpio, even if it's compressed and therefore shouldn't have that extension, or else it will interpret it as a file to
2021-05-30 22:43:41	katp32	add into its own initramfs builder
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2021-05-30 22:44:22	pnbeast	So, compress it and append cpio?
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2021-05-30 22:44:49	katp32	that's the thing, the extension is cpio when uncompressed, so it should really be .cpio.gz or whatever, but apparently the kernel build system doesn't like that
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2021-05-30 22:45:36	katp32	you have to generate a cpio and then compress it but save it with the cpio extension as if it were an uncompressed cpio, otherwise the build system just assumes it's a generic file
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2021-05-30 22:45:54	pnbeast	I see.  Thanks, for what it's worth.
2021-05-30 22:46:35	katp32	(and if you don't compress it the kernel will refuse to load it at boot time because it seemingly doesn't actually care about build time settings at that stage apparently and will look for magic bits of the supported compression formats)
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2021-05-30 22:47:49	katp32	in any case... how do I get it to not panic with an "unable to mount root fs" error when I don't have a root fs? ...or does that error indicate that the initramfs is still broken somehow
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2021-05-30 22:48:52	katp32	that panic seems to come long after where the kernel was loading the initramfs so I think it's not related?
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2021-05-30 22:54:20	katp32	does anyone know what "Failed to create /dev/root: -2" means?
2021-05-30 22:55:21	jim	what did you do that produced that message?
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2021-05-30 22:55:32	katp32	uh, booted?
2021-05-30 22:55:41	katp32	it's kernel output, shortly before the kernel panic
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2021-05-30 22:56:03	jim	so your system isn't booting?
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2021-05-30 22:56:36	katp32	I- context is, I'm trying to get linux running on an embedded system, I have no root filesystem, everything is packed into the initramfs which is itself built into the kernel
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2021-05-30 22:57:24	jim	so I guess it's expecting to mount root
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2021-05-30 22:57:35	katp32	yea, but I'm not sure how to tell it to not do that
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2021-05-30 22:58:25	jim	me neither unfortunately... wait, did you say the root filesystem is in the initrd?
2021-05-30 22:58:45	katp32	initramfs, yes
2021-05-30 22:59:19	jim	so, that means something is already mounted on /?
2021-05-30 22:59:52	jim	or?
2021-05-30 23:00:04	katp32	it's supposed to be, yes, no idea if it actually is, the initramfs-related errors are all gone now but I'm not seeing any other messages
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2021-05-30 23:00:35	jim	other than this -2 thing
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2021-05-30 23:01:01	katp32	yeah, and following the -2 thing it panics with "unable to mount root fs"
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2021-05-30 23:02:11	jim	ok, I'm not sure I can help here, I've never done a system like that
2021-05-30 23:02:14	katp32	maybe I need to specify that it should actually load the initramfs? I assumed it would be implied since it's built into the kernel, but maybe not?
2021-05-30 23:03:31	jim	is the root fs in the initrd (old name for init ramfs) an image with a filesystem in it?
2021-05-30 23:03:57	katp32	no
2021-05-30 23:04:09	katp32	the initramfs should contains the root directory structure as usual
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2021-05-30 23:04:34	katp32	(also after reboot I'm now back to getting an uncompression error, awesome)
2021-05-30 23:04:37	jim	well the initrd is an image, yes?
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2021-05-30 23:04:59	katp32	yeah, it's a gzipped cpio archive, containing files
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2021-05-30 23:05:33	katp32	I swear I'm going to cry if this uncompression error doesn't go away >.<
2021-05-30 23:05:40	katp32	I thought I just fixed this...
2021-05-30 23:06:05	altwulf	katp32: you're running archlinux, right?
2021-05-30 23:06:11	katp32	...? no?
2021-05-30 23:06:25	altwulf	Then I misread something. What distro _are_ you running?
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2021-05-30 23:06:58	katp32	gentoo, but like I said, I'm cross-compiling the kernel image and userspace for an embedded system
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2021-05-30 23:07:25	altwulf	Oh. The gentoo folk ought to know how to poke at this.
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2021-05-30 23:08:05	katp32	this issue has nothing to do with gentoo, gentoo just happens to be the distro the host system is running... the host could be running windows for all it matters lol
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2021-05-30 23:19:30	katp32	I'm going to cry >.<
2021-05-30 23:19:34	katp32	the initramfs issue is back
2021-05-30 23:19:44	katp32	I haven't the slightest clue what's going on
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2021-05-30 23:21:52	budlight	what issue is that about initramfs
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2021-05-30 23:22:47	katp32	"Kernel panic - not syncing: invalid magic at start of compressed archive"
2021-05-30 23:22:50	katp32	I don't get it
2021-05-30 23:23:16	katp32	everything I've tried hasn't worked, or at least, it worked literally once, and then one recompile later it stopped working again
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2021-05-30 23:23:25	katp32	I have no idea what it's expecting
2021-05-30 23:23:52	jim	budlight, he;s got some representation of a root filesystem in the initrd image itself, and he can't get it mounted (one question, is it already mounted)
2021-05-30 23:24:25	katp32	*she, and I've regressed a step, now it's back to not even accepting the initramfs
2021-05-30 23:24:32	budlight	what distro
2021-05-30 23:24:38	jim	gentoo
2021-05-30 23:24:44	katp32	no distro, building kernel and userspace manually
2021-05-30 23:25:00	[R]	katp32: you should use buildroot, it'll properly build everyhtign
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2021-05-30 23:25:13	katp32	I don't want to :P
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2021-05-30 23:25:25	[R]	rofl!
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2021-05-30 23:25:33	[R]	then i have ABSOLLUtEY NO sympathy for you
2021-05-30 23:26:04	jim	is there a reason why you wouldn't want to use that?
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2021-05-30 23:26:53	katp32	because how I'm doing it now works fine? I have plenty of experience configuring and building the kernel in general, and given that the kernel hasn't even managed to mount the rootfs/initramfs yet, clearly the userspace components aren't the problem, so?
2021-05-30 23:27:39	[R]	works fine? rofl
2021-05-30 23:27:52	katp32	:/
2021-05-30 23:28:01	[R]	you've been complaingin for how man yhours about this stuff?
2021-05-30 23:28:08	jim	right, it's not booting, so maybe it's not working
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2021-05-30 23:29:30	katp32	my point is, the userspace isn't the issue obviously, and I seriously doubt buildroot can just magically generate such an edge-case configuration without me literally just configuring the kernel myself, and in any case, I should be able to build the kernel without resorting to external tools lol, this is what it's meant for
2021-05-30 23:29:42	budlight	i havent miss with gentoo too much
2021-05-30 23:30:00	katp32	(again, this isn't a gentoo system, this has literally nothing at all to do with gentoo)
2021-05-30 23:30:07	[R]	katp32: its just a build system
2021-05-30 23:30:12	[R]	and a build system that will build everyhting properly
2021-05-30 23:30:17	katp32	so is the kernel's build system lol
2021-05-30 23:31:22	katp32	I would like to know how to actually use the tools I'm using, rather than just adding another layer of tools...
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2021-05-30 23:32:32	budlight	what tools are you using ?
2021-05-30 23:32:46	katp32	the kernel's build system?
2021-05-30 23:33:56	budlight	oh
2021-05-30 23:34:47	budlight	i've always use make xconfig then make deb-pkg
2021-05-30 23:35:35	katp32	xconfig is part of the linux build system, it's just a different confuration frontend (others include menuconfig and nconfig)
2021-05-30 23:36:04	katp32	deb-pkg is also part of the build system presumably, just a different target or something
2021-05-30 23:36:48	budlight	its nice to have the debs
2021-05-30 23:37:07	billy1	I am wondering if #kernel would be able to help?
2021-05-30 23:37:34	katp32	ah, is #kernel a thing? should've asked over there ages ago lmao
2021-05-30 23:37:50	katp32	indeed, now I feel dumb :P
2021-05-30 23:38:00	billy1	nah its all good
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2021-05-31 00:06:28	rcm888	installed stubby. but still "Non-authoritative answer:"
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2021-05-31 00:10:14	jim	rcm888, from a dns server?
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2021-05-31 00:11:03	rcm888	jim: yes
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2021-05-31 00:12:09	jim	whats the situation?
2021-05-31 00:14:32	rcm888	jim: Linux Mint latest fresh install
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2021-05-31 00:14:56	jim	is the name you're looking up in a domain you own?
2021-05-31 00:15:13	rcm888	no. for ex youtube.com
2021-05-31 00:16:04	rcm888	jim: I follow this tutorial: https://www.linuxbabe.com/ubuntu/ubuntu-stubby-dns-over-tls
2021-05-31 00:17:08	jim	I think that means a dns server said "I have an addr cached for that"
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2021-05-31 00:23:17	Dresden	So like through all this drama I ended up with ##perl and not gonna lie it's fucking weird at first
2021-05-31 00:23:23	Dresden	But it's not like PHP (which I hate)
2021-05-31 00:23:36	Dresden	HATE so much
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2021-05-31 00:23:54	jim	rcm888, if your dns query reaches the server that's authoritative over the domain you're querying about, you'll get an authoritative answer
2021-05-31 00:24:04	altwulf	You also wound up with #perl, dresden, and mind your language.
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2021-05-31 00:25:14	Dresden	altwulf: that's nothing to do with me
2021-05-31 00:25:23	Dresden	But I figured I should learn the language? You know like with any new culture
2021-05-31 00:25:29	Dresden	It's sodding weird, at first, not gonna lie
2021-05-31 00:25:43	altwulf	Coming to perl from a C background was a bit offputting.
2021-05-31 00:25:54	rcm888	jim: how to reset dns cache?
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2021-05-31 00:26:03	pnbeast	What's weird about replacing words/variable names with a bunch of symbols?  The Egyptians did it centuries ago!
2021-05-31 00:26:11	Dresden	altwulf: you have to get passed the sodding weirdness right?
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2021-05-31 00:26:16	Dresden	Like this variable prefix stuff
2021-05-31 00:26:19	Dresden	WTF?
2021-05-31 00:26:25	Dresden	With references too
2021-05-31 00:26:31	jim	Dresden, I noticed that, and that lady-aleena is co-op
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2021-05-31 00:27:18	Dresden	Sorry what?
2021-05-31 00:27:36	altwulf	Lady Aleena also has a lot of flags in ##perl.
2021-05-31 00:27:39	Henry151	howdy
2021-05-31 00:28:19	Dresden	altwulf: I don't know that person
2021-05-31 00:28:28	Dresden	Should I fix that or is she respected?
2021-05-31 00:28:45	Henry151	nlohmann-json3-dev/stable,stable,now 3.5.0-0.1 all [installed]
2021-05-31 00:29:01	Henry151	thing i'm trying to do says i need nlohmann-json >= 3.6.0
2021-05-31 00:29:08	Henry151	i'm on debian
2021-05-31 00:29:09	jim	she's been using perl for years
2021-05-31 00:29:12	Henry151	how do i get that?
2021-05-31 00:29:16	altwulf	I use perl, but I'm not in the community. I do know she's spent a few years learning it, pestering the living daylights out of both #perl and ##linux, but I dare say she's made pretty damn nice progress.
2021-05-31 00:29:36	 *	pnbeast remembers adding a "flag" to aleena's nick in various IRC clients.
2021-05-31 00:29:45	Dresden	altwulf: so should I remove her as successor? (I sort of accidentally ended up with ##perl because #perl +m'ed itself)
2021-05-31 00:30:00	Dresden	And figured I should learn the language
2021-05-31 00:30:08	altwulf	I'd leave it, truthfully.
2021-05-31 00:30:10	Dresden	So I've been trying, I've always written it off as arcane or "like PHP"
2021-05-31 00:30:20	Dresden	Not broke don't fix it, though I can't say I've seen her
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2021-05-31 00:30:40	altwulf	Perl ain't nothing like PHP.
2021-05-31 00:30:58	altwulf	Also: perl ain't "arcane". :P
2021-05-31 00:31:36	Dresden	This like a riddle?
2021-05-31 00:31:41	Dresden	Are you the lying statue?
2021-05-31 00:31:48	altwulf	Huh?
2021-05-31 00:31:59	Dresden	"Perl's not arcane"
2021-05-31 00:32:23	jim	altwulf, I think she'll make a good op, and she can help too
2021-05-31 00:32:30	Dresden	With Regexes (proper regexes like perl, not linear ( O(n) ) true regular expressions like from theory of computing) I always thought it was easier to just re-write it than debug
2021-05-31 00:32:41	Dresden	Perl is like an entire language built on that philosophy
2021-05-31 00:32:42	altwulf	I've been using perl since the late '90's. The perl community is still very strong. What do you find "arcane" about it?
2021-05-31 00:33:01	Dresden	The keywords and my difficulty reading what I wrote
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2021-05-31 00:33:31	altwulf	I have no such difficulty. The trick is in writing readable code.
2021-05-31 00:33:44	Dresden	Heh
2021-05-31 00:33:57	jim	yeah, it's very easy to write unreadable code
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2021-05-31 00:34:47	altwulf	Jim, to answer you, yeah, Lady_Aleena is good people.
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2021-05-31 00:34:54	jim	yep
2021-05-31 00:35:13	jim	I've spoken to her on and off for years
2021-05-31 00:35:29	Dresden	Any idea how she ended up as successor to #perl?
2021-05-31 00:35:31	Dresden	##perl even
2021-05-31 00:35:38	jim	dunno
2021-05-31 00:35:43	altwulf	I have no idea what that goddamn bot did.
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2021-05-31 00:36:48	Dresden	altwulf: this was before the bot
2021-05-31 00:37:02	Dresden	Also I have no sympathy for people who +m'ed channels
2021-05-31 00:37:22	altwulf	In that case, perhaps you should /part this channel.
2021-05-31 00:37:48	jim	Dresden, I'd suggest watching her for about a month... I would guess the only issue she has is believing in her ability to lead
2021-05-31 00:37:59	Dresden	Not a good endorsement
2021-05-31 00:38:04	Dresden	I'll check the FLAGS and ACCESS lists later
2021-05-31 00:38:27	Dresden	But yeah I'm going to do what I can for ##perl - I wish Raku didn't exist though
2021-05-31 00:38:33	Dresden	It's like "which one should I be looking at?"
2021-05-31 00:38:51	Dresden	Like Python 3 - because I still have to write python 2.7 shit
2021-05-31 00:38:54	Dresden	Enough pain for a lifetime in that
2021-05-31 00:38:57	jim	I +med this channel a couple years ago, when there was lots of spamming and such going on
2021-05-31 00:39:02	Dresden	Don't get me started on string handling
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2021-05-31 00:39:26	Dresden	jim: the topic confirmed why they did it but in future I'd urge you to make sure the cure is not worse than the disease
2021-05-31 00:39:58	jim	it was only about 30 secs :)
2021-05-31 00:40:23	jim	I'd say give her a chance
2021-05-31 00:40:36	altwulf	Dresden: I'd urge that FN staff consider the folly of pissing off its remaining userbase.
2021-05-31 00:41:05	jim	I think the ship has already sailed on that one :P
2021-05-31 00:41:16	Dresden	altwulf: not sure what you mean?
2021-05-31 00:41:20	Dresden	Also *cough* language ;)
2021-05-31 00:41:47	altwulf	The exact proscription is against "excessive" foul language. Mine is mild.
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2021-05-31 00:42:37	jim	once is basically permitted... and, well, maybe get some better control over it
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2021-05-31 00:42:39	rcm888	I set dns to 127.0.0.1, but when I nslookup I see  "Server:	127.0.0.53" - why?
2021-05-31 00:43:06	jim	rcm888, do you have a local dns server running?
2021-05-31 00:43:33	jim	53 is the port
2021-05-31 00:44:14	rcm888	jim address is 127.0.0.53 not port
2021-05-31 00:44:26	jim	yes, I've seen that before
2021-05-31 00:44:46	jim	probably they should adjust the message to make it clearer
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2021-05-31 00:46:22	rcm888	nonsense
2021-05-31 00:46:34	jim	probably
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2021-05-31 00:47:11	jim	but if the message were more clear, something like: 127.0.0.1:53, it would be better
2021-05-31 00:47:40	jim	what dns server did you install?
2021-05-31 00:49:54	rcm888	stubby
2021-05-31 00:50:45	jim	does that thing have a dns lookup cache?
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2021-05-31 00:53:05	Dresden	So any suggestions for this ##perl thing? I've not really done this on freenode before
2021-05-31 00:53:19	Dresden	I want to give it a serious try
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2021-05-31 00:57:46	jim	keep people calm and happy... and deal with other events properly
2021-05-31 00:58:56	jim	as founder you also would train your staff, and create rules that make sense
2021-05-31 00:59:29	Dresden	Yeah basically it's "don't do anything unless it's really bad, PM offenders first"
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2021-05-31 01:00:13	jim	sometimes you don't have time to pm them if they're spamming really fast... you just have to get rid of them in a case like that
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2021-05-31 01:00:41	Dresden	If it's that bad it'll be obvious when seen
2021-05-31 01:00:48	jim	yes
2021-05-31 01:00:49	Dresden	Probably a bot, or if not innocent copy and paste
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2021-05-31 01:01:24	jim	sometimes you will get longgg but innocent pastes, for that, /quiet for like 5 mins
2021-05-31 01:02:31	jim	if it's a botnet, maybe +m is a good available solution
2021-05-31 01:02:51	Dresden	That should really be a last resort
2021-05-31 01:02:55	jim	they'll usually drop like flies
2021-05-31 01:02:58	Dresden	To overcome +r is damn
2021-05-31 01:03:28	jim	yes, last resort... but you have to be ready to pull that trigger should it happen
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2021-05-31 01:04:45	Dresden	I figure that anyone I appoint, will know that when they see it
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2021-05-31 01:05:19	jim	again, that might be a training issue
2021-05-31 01:05:37	Dresden	Maybe BRB
2021-05-31 01:05:57	jim	I believe aleena has kids, which makes her a good candidate
2021-05-31 01:08:17	Dresden	...creepy jim
2021-05-31 01:08:18	Dresden	Creepy
2021-05-31 01:08:28	Dresden	Yes a proven track record, she'll make a fine addition
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2021-05-31 01:10:31	kek_	hi, if you scroll/move with a key on your keyboard you sometimes have that weird delay. How's that called? Can I somehow "globally" turn that off?
2021-05-31 01:12:12	altwulf	Very often, the best way to moderate a channel is just to interact with people as if you had no cinnabon. Hands-off moderation works well.
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2021-05-31 01:18:54	altwulf	Dresden: how much experience do you have operating a channel?
2021-05-31 01:19:26	Dresden	altwulf: that's not what I was asking about, that's the bit I've got
2021-05-31 01:20:14	altwulf	I was going somewhere else. Mind answering?
2021-05-31 01:20:32	Dresden	I would like the channel to thrive
2021-05-31 01:20:42	altwulf	That's not an answer.
2021-05-31 01:20:44	Dresden	The #perl lot they'd ban people for asking about deprecated things, as a sort of running joke
2021-05-31 01:20:48	Dresden	So the channel are very ... quiet
2021-05-31 01:20:52	Dresden	Obviously it's a risk to talk
2021-05-31 01:20:58	Dresden	I want to repair that
2021-05-31 01:21:17	Dresden	I want to make ##perl as separate as I can
2021-05-31 01:21:24	Dresden	"you can ask about ithreads here"
2021-05-31 01:21:26	altwulf	You won't succeed until you learn how to think. An important first step is in answering simple questions.
2021-05-31 01:21:56	Dresden	...thanks
2021-05-31 01:22:08	altwulf	You think I'm joking?
2021-05-31 01:22:41	Dresden	No I just can't believe you didn't see a question there
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2021-05-31 01:23:20	ayecee	this is not a good omen
2021-05-31 01:23:24	altwulf	I asked: how much experience do you have running a channel? You blathered.
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2021-05-31 01:24:02	Dresden	altwulf: look at the #perl guys
2021-05-31 01:24:10	Dresden	They've been there for 10 years+ - some 15
2021-05-31 01:24:12	altwulf	You still want to blather?
2021-05-31 01:24:13	Dresden	They're REALLY bad at it
2021-05-31 01:24:17	Dresden	BUT THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE
2021-05-31 01:24:24	Dresden	So I don't see it as useful
2021-05-31 01:24:29	rcm888	systemd-resolved - Current DNS Server: 127.0.0.1 - does it mead I have stubby installed right?
2021-05-31 01:24:31	Dresden	By that metric, we're probably about the same, since 2009
2021-05-31 01:24:38	Dresden	But that doesn't mean I want to be like them
2021-05-31 01:24:50	altwulf	You've been operating channels since 2009?
2021-05-31 01:25:01	supernovah	man I hope my ignores work now
2021-05-31 01:25:03	Dresden	They're a lesson in what not to do, and if you see that as blathering, and don't want to help me figure out how to get a timid populace talking, that's fine, but don't pretend experience makes people fit for purpose
2021-05-31 01:25:11	Dresden	There needs to be feedback and a definition of good for that to work
2021-05-31 01:25:21	supernovah	next time someone joins or leves can someone let me know I want to know if my ignores work
2021-05-31 01:25:26	altwulf	No, it means you have no clue how to listen. This makes you useless as any kind of leader.
2021-05-31 01:25:42	Dresden	Thanks altwulf it means a lot :)
2021-05-31 01:25:57	Dresden	But again I wasn't asking about that, so if you could help me with the matter at hand that'd be great
2021-05-31 01:26:03	Dresden	This is my first time with a timid populace
2021-05-31 01:26:13	jim	rcm888, does nslookup work, and show that the result came from localhost?
2021-05-31 01:26:17	altwulf	You didn't ask a question, and you didn't answer the one put to you. You sermonised.
2021-05-31 01:26:27	Dresden	altwulf: I'm just going to assume you don't know. Thanks
2021-05-31 01:26:38	Dresden	I wouldn't have if you could have been forthcoming with that.
2021-05-31 01:26:42	altwulf	What question did you allegedly ask?
2021-05-31 01:27:02	jim	ok, so this argument doesn't belong here...
2021-05-31 01:27:14	Dresden	Yep I agree, I'm done
2021-05-31 01:27:29	jim	realize you've both been triggered by something
2021-05-31 01:27:49	altwulf	I'm not triggered and will happily resume in ##linux-offtopic if needed.
2021-05-31 01:28:05	supernovah	Has the RMS chit-chat died down in the mailing lists yet, I haven't read them for so long because of it
2021-05-31 01:28:25	jim	dunno, never seen them
2021-05-31 01:28:38	supernovah	there were hundreds of emails a day a month ago
2021-05-31 01:28:41	Dresden	jim: standing question though, if you have any ideas PM me or something. They're VERY quiet
2021-05-31 01:28:51	Dresden	People here talk
2021-05-31 01:29:13	jim	Dresden, sorry, what's the question?
2021-05-31 01:29:24	Dresden	I'll PM you
2021-05-31 01:29:25	Dresden	Sec
2021-05-31 01:29:28	jim	ok
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2021-05-31 01:29:53	ayecee	something like "how do i get people to talk without listening to them"
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2021-05-31 01:30:13	altwulf	Seems likely.
2021-05-31 01:30:40	altwulf	How many times have we in this channel struggled with users' XY questions?
2021-05-31 01:31:14	supernovah	For the first time in a year I might actually have stable enough internet to stick around for longer than a week... just installed a three metre coax to antenna on my roof to reach the cisco modem outside better
2021-05-31 01:31:14	wigums	7
2021-05-31 01:31:14	supernovah	s/modem/switch
2021-05-31 01:31:14	ayecee	all the times
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2021-05-31 02:19:31	gigasu_shida	i don't understand supernovah , are you using wifi?
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2021-05-31 04:13:41	derk0pf_	what fancy stuff should i do with my vps?
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2021-05-31 04:19:45	derk0pf_	any comments on postfix?
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2021-05-31 04:20:43	rindolf	derk0pf_: hi
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2021-05-31 04:21:30	rindolf	derk0pf_: what did you buy it for?
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2021-05-31 04:22:58	derk0pf_	testing/learning stuff
2021-05-31 04:23:09	derk0pf_	maybe i can ditch my sd job and get another job
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2021-05-31 04:24:05	derk0pf_	talking with people that are stressed af inst ideal, i guess.
2021-05-31 04:24:14	derk0pf_	also it just is nice to see how things are working, right?
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2021-05-31 04:32:05	rindolf	derk0pf_: ah, i see
2021-05-31 04:33:30	rindolf	derk0pf_: i prefer paying for services: http://www.paulgraham.com/stuff.html
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2021-05-31 04:43:45	noshem	Hi, what's the name of the key with the windows-or-whatever icon on it?
2021-05-31 04:43:58	noshem	and how do I make it open my start menu?
2021-05-31 04:44:41	binux	Is there a way to restrict sudo to only non root users?  I know that sudo essentially gives you root access to everything, but I would like to prevent users from changing to the root users and carrying out certain system level tasks.
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2021-05-31 04:49:12	mnemon	binux: you can allow sudo into specific user instead of root and you can also limit what commands can be run with it
2021-05-31 04:50:01	binux	mnemon: Do you have any reference on how to achieve this?
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2021-05-31 04:50:19	mnemon	https://linux.die.net/man/5/sudoers
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2021-05-31 04:53:24	mnemon	something like this would just allow restarting 2 services: username ALL=(ALL) /usr/bin/systemctl restart servicename, /usr/bin/systemctl restart servicename2
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2021-05-31 04:54:54	binux	mnemon: just trying to read how to exclude "sudo su -l" changing to root user
2021-05-31 04:55:42	mnemon	there are tons of ways to achieve the same thing so blacklisting is kind of futile
2021-05-31 04:55:48	ZenixOwler	can i ask about FreeBSD here ? i am not so sure if it uses the Linux kernel but the overall image is very alike, like same root system though
2021-05-31 04:56:09	binux	ZenixOwler: depends on the question
2021-05-31 04:56:16	binux	ZenixOwler: just ask ;)
2021-05-31 04:56:38	ZenixOwler	well, i will start off with my nasty situation, i sort forgot to install "sudo" during the installation, is there anyhow i can get to it now
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2021-05-31 04:57:12	ZenixOwler	su doesn't seem to function as well, i tried to switch to root but "su : Sorry" withut any error messages
2021-05-31 04:57:15	ZenixOwler	now that's confusing
2021-05-31 04:57:26	binux	ZenixOwler: https://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/freebsd-install-sudo-command/
2021-05-31 04:57:42	binux	ZenixOwler: You must have root access or?
2021-05-31 04:57:42	mnemon	tried to login as root instead of switching?
2021-05-31 04:58:00	ZenixOwler	oh... yea
2021-05-31 04:58:04	ZenixOwler	silly me :P
2021-05-31 04:58:15	ZenixOwler	but the more methodology, the better
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2021-05-31 04:59:20	ZenixOwler	but also, this system is a bit weird since i don't think it supports UEFI but only Legacy, or there is another way but i didnm't figure it out ?
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2021-05-31 04:59:35	ZenixOwler	when i tried to install through UEFI, it gave me a blank shell with zero commands installed
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2021-05-31 05:00:32	binux	ZenixOwler: FreeBSD does support UEFI, you probably did something wrong?  Did you enable it in the BIOS?
2021-05-31 05:00:38	binux	https://wiki.freebsd.org/UEFI
2021-05-31 05:00:52	ZenixOwler	by disabling it, i successfully installed the distro
2021-05-31 05:00:55	ZenixOwler	at first i enabled it
2021-05-31 05:01:02	noshem	super-key?
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2021-05-31 05:08:24	ZenixOwler	noshem: well no so sure though, was just wondering, but eventually i got it installed now
2021-05-31 05:08:34	ZenixOwler	maybe Legacy and UEFI won't create so much differences anyway :P
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2021-05-31 05:34:39	wellick	hi, i'm trying to install a new version of node. I removed the old version on the software center and downloaded the new one, but the executable doesn't run when i click it
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2021-05-31 05:35:04	wellick	if i run it on the CLI it opens a node terminal but it doesn't install it :/
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2021-05-31 05:36:08	Cork	wellick: you should prob ask that in a distro channel not here
2021-05-31 05:36:21	wellick	hm ok
2021-05-31 05:36:41	Cork	as how you install packages differ wildly between distros
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2021-05-31 05:37:11	binux	wellick: install node via command line
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2021-05-31 05:37:56	binux	sudo apt install nodejs
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2021-05-31 05:41:22	wellick	i need a specific version 15.10
2021-05-31 05:41:34	wellick	i'm gonna try this and see if it works sudo snap install node --channel=15/stable --classic
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2021-05-31 07:52:23	triceratux	https://paste.opensuse.org/6470761
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2021-05-31 07:56:51	porky	in the Win10 task manager I can monitor disk I/O is there a similar disk I/O monitor available for Linux?
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2021-05-31 08:42:37	m1cl	GDM screen works just fine
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2021-05-31 09:05:07	porky	m1cl, I don't find any info about GDM screen are you sure that's the correct name?
2021-05-31 09:05:44	porky	I need to know the exact name for the package
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2021-05-31 09:56:41	Zyrus	you can see https://blog.syborgcate.com for learning hacks
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2021-05-31 11:23:13	McErroneous	Hi.., is there a simple text- or html-based linux  KnowledgeBase, that can be extended by its users..., because every linux question is like to have been asked already...., so ..., not exactly a forum.., but  just a database for all linux questions....
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2021-05-31 11:23:40	McErroneous	is likely to have been asked... , already...
2021-05-31 11:24:20	wigums	database for all linux questions?? its called the internet
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2021-05-31 11:24:47	wigums	linuxquestions.org  ?
2021-05-31 11:24:52	McErroneous	wigums.., how many MEGABYTES:: ?
2021-05-31 11:25:10	wigums	eleventy
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2021-05-31 11:30:50	McErroneous	Yes..., why making a forum..., instead of a simple knowledge database..., that would be far more effective...
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2021-05-31 11:31:14	McErroneous	nobody has to make a question twice...
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2021-05-31 11:32:31	McErroneous	and instead of making a new forum thread..., we would just extend the already existing answer...
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2021-05-31 11:34:29	McErroneous	similar to ubuntuusers.de .., but without deleting older solutions.., or deleting solutions for eol releases...
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2021-05-31 11:35:06	McErroneous	and not distro-specific...
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2021-05-31 11:44:27	McErroneous	without to be forced to have to change the distro-release you are using...., because....
2021-05-31 11:44:45	McErroneous	EOL... , as they would say...
2021-05-31 11:45:08	McErroneous	releasesing every 6 month...
2021-05-31 11:45:23	McErroneous	a new.. half-baked version...
2021-05-31 11:45:48	McErroneous	and deleting support KB for old releases...
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2021-05-31 11:46:30	McErroneous	and forbidding to post questions in the forum for your older release..., as they do on ubuntuusers.de
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2021-05-31 11:47:25	djph	McErroneous: given the way people don't read; your idea's already dead in the water
2021-05-31 11:48:36	McErroneous	djph.., get on going...
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2021-05-31 11:48:36	McErroneous	do your stuff...
2021-05-31 11:48:36	McErroneous	nvm...
2021-05-31 11:48:36	wigums	lol
2021-05-31 11:48:36	McErroneous	lol..
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2021-05-31 11:52:53	McErroneous	djph..., did they say the same thing about moses ... ?... That he was already dead.... , when floating on the river ..
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2021-05-31 11:56:23	McErroneous	djph, maybe you wish.., that it might be that way..., because ......, maybe you feel threatend... by a IDEA....
2021-05-31 11:56:33	McErroneous	an IDEA
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2021-05-31 11:59:13	McErroneous	nobody said.., that this system is only bad..., but solutions... for problems..., are still ahead..., right ?
2021-05-31 12:00:03	McErroneous	Instead of creating new problems........, Linux problems in particular....., we should free up human resouces... for "good work"....
2021-05-31 12:00:13	McErroneous	like helping refugees...
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2021-05-31 12:02:38	McErroneous	and maybe travel to africa .., and teach what you know about linux there.....
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2021-05-31 12:02:53	McErroneous	without loosing the touch.... to it...
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2021-05-31 12:04:07	McErroneous	because 10 years later..., you propably would have lost the touch... to the bloody edge software advancements..
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2021-05-31 12:04:50	simbaclaws	quick question: is this a dating site? I'm looking for a date
2021-05-31 12:05:03	McErroneous	or teach refugees what you know about linux....
2021-05-31 12:05:24	oxek	simbaclaws: no, this is a channel about washing powders
2021-05-31 12:05:37	Inline	lol
2021-05-31 12:05:52	oxek	http://www.roeschswiss.com/en/11_linux
2021-05-31 12:06:10	simbaclaws	ah gotcha, well in that case what is your opinion on charleys soap?
2021-05-31 12:07:45	oxek	simbaclaws: more specifically, this is a channel about the Linux washing powder and detergent. There should be channels about the other ones around however.
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2021-05-31 12:08:10	simbaclaws	0.o there is an open source washing powder and detergent out there????
2021-05-31 12:08:44	oxek	yes, you do get open sores if you use it inappropriately
2021-05-31 12:08:51	simbaclaws	lol
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2021-05-31 12:10:21	McErroneous	use loussy-Family softener , if you cant get a doctor for your ITCH.....
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2021-05-31 12:10:37	McErroneous	by it at LIDL or ALDI in germany...
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2021-05-31 12:10:53	McErroneous	buy it
2021-05-31 12:10:55	simbaclaws	ooooh sounds like an amazing softener
2021-05-31 12:11:07	simbaclaws	thank you for the recommendation, but I think I'll stick with linux
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2021-05-31 12:11:53	McErroneous	I AM
2021-05-31 12:11:54	Echoz	Should I use Vim or do you guys recommend another toilet cleaner? https://www.rakhoiwholesale.com/vim-toilet-cleaner.html
2021-05-31 12:11:58	McErroneous	no jokes...
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2021-05-31 12:13:40	simbaclaws	how can I consume all this www.spam.com, I think I need a bigger belly
2021-05-31 12:14:09	McErroneous	Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.
2021-05-31 12:14:10	McErroneous	We can’t connect to the server at www.spam.com,.
2021-05-31 12:14:10	McErroneous	If that address is correct, here are three other things you can try:
2021-05-31 12:14:10	McErroneous	    Try again later.
2021-05-31 12:14:10	McErroneous	    Check your network connection.
2021-05-31 12:14:10	McErroneous	    If you are connected but behind a firewall, check that Firefox has permission to access the Web.
2021-05-31 12:15:15	simbaclaws	hmmmm www.fishyfishycafe.com
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2021-05-31 12:17:20	altwulf	McErroneous: take it on the road.
2021-05-31 12:17:41	altwulf	oxek, what was the reason for your kline yesterday, do you remember?
2021-05-31 12:18:02	oxek	altwulf: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
2021-05-31 12:18:12	Brianwuz	can someone please help me with this command: [ -z $(ping -c 1 -I tun12 -W 3 8.8.8.8 | grep '1 packets received') ] , it won't take '1 packets received' as a string
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2021-05-31 12:19:45	simbaclaws	try with packets received instead of 1 packets received
2021-05-31 12:19:50	oxek	k-lines time out eventually anyway, so I'm not too bothered
2021-05-31 12:19:58	simbaclaws	or maybe without the grep entirely just to see what the output is
2021-05-31 12:20:38	altwulf	oxek: yeah, but they're not usually accidental. I was just curious.
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2021-05-31 12:21:19	oxek	altwulf: I use a shared IP, so it happens
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2021-05-31 12:21:49	Brianwuz	8.8.8.8 unknown operand
2021-05-31 12:23:19	Brianwuz	if I just type ping -c 1 -I tun12 -W 3 8.8.8.8 " grep '1 packets received' from termin then it works
2021-05-31 12:23:23	simbaclaws	when I do ping -c 1 -W 3 8.8.8.8 it shows me i packets transmitted, 1 received
2021-05-31 12:23:33	simbaclaws	1
2021-05-31 12:23:59	Brianwuz	typeing it works, it's when I try to add it to the watchdog
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2021-05-31 12:24:21	simbaclaws	for me it also transmits a packet and hence the text is different
2021-05-31 12:24:39	simbaclaws	could you try grep '1 received'?
2021-05-31 12:24:53	Brianwuz	I am trying to restart the vpn if I get no response in 3 seconds
2021-05-31 12:25:18	Brianwuz	it does not like the space in the grep in batch
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2021-05-31 12:29:24	 *	McErroneous ... hmm..., djph..., maybe an idea is dead.., when it is no longer an idea.., but a fact...
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2021-05-31 12:32:25	node1	What's infra?
2021-05-31 12:32:43	triceratux	who are we ?
2021-05-31 12:33:01	node1	We are Linux.
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2021-05-31 12:34:57	frostwork	what we want?
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2021-05-31 12:35:21	node1	I want $
2021-05-31 12:35:37	triceratux	when do we want it ?
2021-05-31 12:35:38	frostwork	And when we want?
2021-05-31 12:35:45	frostwork	We are Windows
2021-05-31 12:35:51	node1	hahah yes
2021-05-31 12:35:54	node1	windows
2021-05-31 12:35:55	frostwork	:)
2021-05-31 12:36:37	node1	Windows win
2021-05-31 12:36:55	altwulf	node1, it means that #linux on irc.libera.chat is all set up and has been going for some time. It's recommended to move when you can.
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2021-05-31 12:37:25	triceratux	we are ubuntu in a vbox signed onto the matrix bridge to the anticorporatist privacy defending network
2021-05-31 12:37:51	node1	I'm there :) but it's really hard to live a network where i have spend decade
2021-05-31 12:38:10	altwulf	Heard that. :\
2021-05-31 12:38:58	altwulf	Some people will move, some won't. I imagine this channel will still exist, but when the founder closes the door, $deity alone knows what it'll be like here. I'm thinking "trollfest".
2021-05-31 12:39:08	simbaclaws	I'm too lazy to add another network, will I be left behind?
2021-05-31 12:39:19	oxek	simbaclaws: yes
2021-05-31 12:39:24	 *	ldlework rolls his eyes.
2021-05-31 12:39:39	oxek	I'm just here to see this channel CLEAR at least once, to see how many people actually rejoin
2021-05-31 12:40:01	DLange	there's more people here than on libera, and we won't clear the channel either
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2021-05-31 12:40:14	simbaclaws	well if you stay to see the channel clear then I'll stay too so you won't see the channel clear
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2021-05-31 12:40:19	oxek	based on #archlinux numbers from yesterday, 1110 people before CLEAR, 150 after clear
2021-05-31 12:40:34	oxek	simbaclaws: CLEAR is a command
2021-05-31 12:40:37	simbaclaws	oh
2021-05-31 12:40:39	altwulf	yes, I would resist clearing the channel. Pointless and abusive, dlange.
2021-05-31 12:40:39	simbaclaws	my bad
2021-05-31 12:40:54	oxek	/msg ChanServ CLEAR ##linux USERS Moves to irc.libera.chat, see you there!
2021-05-31 12:41:03	ldlework	Anyone who CLEARs immediately looses all respect
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2021-05-31 12:41:36	node1	What's CLEAR command here?
2021-05-31 12:41:47	oxek	node1: /msg ChanServ HELP CLEAR
2021-05-31 12:41:50	altwulf	node1: kicks everybody out of the channel.
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2021-05-31 12:41:58	altwulf	I don't see the point of that.
2021-05-31 12:42:01	node1	ok
2021-05-31 12:42:13	oxek	altwulf: it's something to behold, that's all
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2021-05-31 12:42:26	oxek	a thousand souls go silent, all at once
2021-05-31 12:42:33	altwulf	Yeah, I've been "cleared" before and left with a funny expression on my face.
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2021-05-31 12:42:47	ldlework	Why you wouldn't just mention the other channel and maybe setup a bridge, is beyond me.
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2021-05-31 12:43:03	DLange	why should we, ldlework
2021-05-31 12:43:10	DLange	let the users decide where they want to go
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2021-05-31 12:43:36	DLange	if anybody is not living under a stone and reading IRC, they will know both networks exist (and there's OFTC, too)
2021-05-31 12:43:40	oxek	ldlework: because all channels that mention the move will eventually get closed due to the new policy, and going out on your terms is preferable than having opers do it for you
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2021-05-31 12:44:54	simbaclaws	I want to be kicked by an op, that'll teach me
2021-05-31 12:44:58	DLange	afaik channels that are abandoned get taken over by staff (and of course some errors happened)
2021-05-31 12:45:00	simbaclaws	show me who's boss
2021-05-31 12:46:14	DLange	simbaclaws: you know how to tease a sadomasochist? NO, YOU WILL NOT GET KICKED!!!
2021-05-31 12:46:16	ldlework	I applaud channels that have completely skipped the drama and divsion by simply setting up a bridge and stepping over the issue entirely.
2021-05-31 12:46:28	oxek	DLange: primary #channels must remain an active channel about a topic. If they move, then they are no longer considered active, and will hence be closed. ##linux is a strage case because it is a kind of #channel but in ##channel namespace
2021-05-31 12:46:58	DLange	we've always been special
2021-05-31 12:47:08	DLange	may be we are special in this as well, dunno
2021-05-31 12:47:10	oxek	##linux is currently the largest channel on freenode
2021-05-31 12:47:16	oxek	so definitely special
2021-05-31 12:47:20	Lord_of_Life	You can follow rules and laws without being a douchebag
2021-05-31 12:47:28	altwulf	The thing about relays is: they're noisy.
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2021-05-31 12:47:43	DLange	also people that want to are on both sides anyways
2021-05-31 12:47:43	katp32	heyo, it's me again, back with the initramfs nonsense
2021-05-31 12:47:46	ldlework	IRC-to-IRC is fine
2021-05-31 12:47:55	simbaclaws	Lord_of_Life no I can't
2021-05-31 12:48:04	Lord_of_Life	I believe in you
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2021-05-31 12:48:16	katp32	I've got the kernel loading the initramfs, but then it stills panics with VFS: unable to mount rootfs on unknown-block
2021-05-31 12:48:39	katp32	help god
2021-05-31 12:48:56	DLange	Is God good at debugging these days?
2021-05-31 12:48:59	altwulf	simbaclaws: if you want to be kicked, I'll kick you, but unless you do something stupid, I won't ban you.
2021-05-31 12:49:24	katp32	god hasn't been much help with debugging, no
2021-05-31 12:49:28	simbaclaws	I want to experience a boot under my bottom just once, just to see what it'll feel like
2021-05-31 12:49:39	DLange	simbaclaws: ask your dad?
2021-05-31 12:49:49	DLange	(or get a girlfriend :))
2021-05-31 12:49:53	altwulf	:D
2021-05-31 12:49:57	simbaclaws	my dad is too sweet to kick me in the butt
2021-05-31 12:50:02	oxek	DLange: God is not here anymore. Last seen  : May 16 13:58:19 2021 (2w 1d 2h ago)
2021-05-31 12:50:04	altwulf	Just tell her to remove her stiletto heels first.
2021-05-31 12:50:07	simbaclaws	and a girlfriend is an impossible task for me
2021-05-31 12:50:08	oxek	doesn't even know about the freenode drama
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2021-05-31 12:50:23	katp32	but I've been debugging for like 15 hours now
2021-05-31 12:50:24	altwulf	oxek: I think maybe you don't want to.
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2021-05-31 12:50:56	katp32	oxek: maybe god forsaw the freenode drama, that's why they've not connected since may 16th
2021-05-31 12:51:09	oxek	maybe
2021-05-31 12:51:32	simbaclaws	did God move to matrix?
2021-05-31 12:51:41	katp32	maybe god's irc bouncer crashed on may 16th and they haven't actually checked their client
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2021-05-31 12:52:24	oxek	this entire existence is just a forgotten ZNC session
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2021-05-31 12:53:07	simbaclaws	so wait.... we're at a godless irc channel?
2021-05-31 12:53:19	katp32	godless irc network, apparently
2021-05-31 12:53:24	simbaclaws	where is lucifer?
2021-05-31 12:53:46	katp32	> Last seen  : now
2021-05-31 12:53:46	Brianwuz	got it, this works: if [ -z "$(ping -q -c 1 -I tun12 -W 3 8.8.8.8 | grep '1 packets received')" ]  the double qoutes around the variable
2021-05-31 12:53:48	katp32	lmao
2021-05-31 12:54:33	katp32	lucifer uses irccloud apparently
2021-05-31 12:54:46	simbaclaws	go figure
2021-05-31 12:55:04	oxek	this channel has definitely changed
2021-05-31 12:55:43	katp32	I still need my initramfs to work :(
2021-05-31 12:56:06	triceratux	katp32: do you have a bootloader stanza, a distro name, & an error message ?
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2021-05-31 12:56:33	katp32	the error message is "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)"
2021-05-31 12:56:58	katp32	there is no distro, and the bootloader is some proprietary broadcom nonsense that doesn't actually do anything
2021-05-31 12:57:07	triceratux	hrm
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2021-05-31 12:57:44	triceratux	how did you break it ? whatever it was undo it :)
2021-05-31 12:57:56	katp32	initramfs is built directly into the kernel, and by adding some printks, I've verified that it is actually being decompressed at boot without issue, so I'm not sure what the panic is about
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2021-05-31 12:58:01	simbaclaws	perhaps try testdisk to recover lost partitions? :P
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2021-05-31 12:58:57	katp32	I'm guessing that the kernel has unpacked the initramfs correctly, but it's still expecting a root filesystem or something, which is what causes the panic, but then, I need a way to tell the kernel to like, not do that
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2021-05-31 13:00:26	simbaclaws	sudo update-initramfs -u -k version and sudo update-grub perhaps?
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2021-05-31 13:00:38	katp32	the kernel is building the initramfs itself
2021-05-31 13:00:47	simbaclaws	when I google this issue it tells me there is no initramfs for the current kernel version
2021-05-31 13:01:05	katp32	initramfs is a debian thing I think, like I said there's no distro, the kernel is being built manually
2021-05-31 13:01:20	Aryan	which SQL is suitable for a linux system administrator?
2021-05-31 13:01:21	simbaclaws	which kernel version are you on?
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2021-05-31 13:01:38	katp32	latest longterm kernel, but again, this isn't debian
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2021-05-31 13:01:52	rindolf	Aryan: hi
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2021-05-31 13:01:59	Aryan	hi rindolf
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2021-05-31 13:02:09	simbaclaws	I know, but you can try manually generating the initramfs and then adding it to your grub entry to see whether that fixes the issue no?
2021-05-31 13:02:20	simbaclaws	is there an initramfs in /boot?
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2021-05-31 13:02:29	katp32	1) there is no grub 2) there is no /boot
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2021-05-31 13:02:31	rindolf	Aryan: sqlite, Pg
2021-05-31 13:02:37	simbaclaws	oh....
2021-05-31 13:02:52	Aryan	rindolf, what is pg?
2021-05-31 13:03:01	katp32	it's an embedded system with a proprietary broadcom bootloader, that's why I'm using an initramfs in the first place, because even just getting the kernel to recognize a partition for the rootfs is an enormous pain..
2021-05-31 13:03:26	katp32	the initramfs isn't being passed by the bootloader, it's compiled directly into the kernel
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2021-05-31 13:04:12	simbaclaws	as a module?
2021-05-31 13:04:14	rindolf	Aryan: https://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/resources/databases-list/#FS-based-SQL
2021-05-31 13:04:24	rindolf	Aryan: postgresql
2021-05-31 13:04:32	katp32	no, as an initramfs?
2021-05-31 13:04:43	katp32	all kernels have a built-in initramfs, it's just usually (mostly) empty
2021-05-31 13:05:03	simbaclaws	hmmm did not know that, I thought you'd compile modules for kernel sources.
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2021-05-31 13:05:09	simbaclaws	or baked in
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2021-05-31 13:05:35	simbaclaws	like a * or an M
2021-05-31 13:05:36	Aryan	rindolf, thanks.
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2021-05-31 13:05:42	katp32	(also, a module wouldn't make sense anyways since modules are by definition stored on disk, typically either inside the root partition or the initramfs, so)
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2021-05-31 13:06:38	simbaclaws	hmmm
2021-05-31 13:06:44	rindolf	Aryan: you're welcome
2021-05-31 13:07:10	simbaclaws	and you can't boot into the system to check dmesg logs from kernel ring level or try kernel debugging?
2021-05-31 13:07:30	Aryan	any nice resources, tutorials or courses about sqlite or postgresql?
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2021-05-31 13:07:48	simbaclaws	does the proprietary bootloader allow you to pass in flags?
2021-05-31 13:08:05	katp32	ehhh, the short answer is no
2021-05-31 13:08:19	katp32	I do get messages from the kernel over serial
2021-05-31 13:08:29	katp32	I can't interact with it though
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2021-05-31 13:10:45	simbaclaws	does this help: https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/filesystems/ramfs-rootfs-initramfs.html
2021-05-31 13:10:47	simbaclaws	?
2021-05-31 13:11:06	katp32	I've read that at least 15 times now ;D
2021-05-31 13:13:44	simbaclaws	lol so the question is whether cpio is extracted into the rootfs. Is there anyway you can read the rootfs during boot?
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2021-05-31 13:13:54	simbaclaws	if it's not there is older fallback code
2021-05-31 13:14:10	simbaclaws	which runs /sbin/init
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2021-05-31 13:14:55	simbaclaws	can you try running /sbin/init manually to see whether the system inits in the first place?
2021-05-31 13:15:50	simbaclaws	if all of it is handled by a proprietary init system, then that means this init system might have issues with the latest kernel cpio archive perhaps?
2021-05-31 13:15:53	katp32	the cpio has been extracted, I've verified that with a printk
2021-05-31 13:15:59	simbaclaws	hmmm
2021-05-31 13:16:15	katp32	I can't run /sbin/init because it's an embedded system, I can't run anything without a working kernel :P
2021-05-31 13:16:24	simbaclaws	>.<
2021-05-31 13:16:45	katp32	I've got an /sbin/init, but no /init
2021-05-31 13:17:01	katp32	and /sbin/init is a symlink to /bin/busybox, I assumed that's not an issue but idk
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2021-05-31 13:19:40	simbaclaws	hmmm how old is this embedded system? Are you building the latest kernel on a older embedded system that might make use of initrd instead of initramfs?
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2021-05-31 13:20:17	katp32	system does not make use of anything, the bootloader literally just jumps execution directly into the kernel
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2021-05-31 13:21:02	katp32	in any case it wouldn't matter since the initramfs is built into the kernel, not being passed by the initramfs
2021-05-31 13:21:03	[R]	katp32: wtf... you're STILL going on about this crap?
2021-05-31 13:21:12	katp32	-.-
2021-05-31 13:21:24	simbaclaws	do you have a /initrd?
2021-05-31 13:21:28	[R]	you'd rather waste weeks of your life
2021-05-31 13:21:32	[R]	instead of just doing it properly?
2021-05-31 13:21:46	Aryan	rindolf, what about mysql?
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2021-05-31 13:21:56	katp32	[R]: for christ's sake, using the kernel's build system for building the kernel is literally by fucking definition doing it properly
2021-05-31 13:22:02	[R]	LOL
2021-05-31 13:22:04	katp32	simbaclaws: no, like I said, it's built directly into the kernel
2021-05-31 13:22:09	simbaclaws	ok ok
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2021-05-31 13:23:46	[R]	katp32: then you would have a booting system...
2021-05-31 13:23:51	hkl0	I'm setting a docker env based on Alpine for cross compilation. In this container I download a custom gcc toolchain and then use to compile our software. I'm not that knowledgeable on compilation so I'm wondering if Alpine being based on musl instead of glibc will pose any problems?
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2021-05-31 13:24:31	[R]	hkl0: is this custom gcc toolchain linked with glibc?
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2021-05-31 13:24:48	altwulf	Aryan, what kind of "system administration" do you have in mind?
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2021-05-31 13:26:07	simbaclaws	kato32 are you using a CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE?
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2021-05-31 13:26:16	katp32	..yes
2021-05-31 13:26:17	hkl0	[R] when running ldd against it says "Not a valid dynamic program" so I assume it's statically linked with glibc
2021-05-31 13:26:30	[R]	hkl0: ok, well try it and see
2021-05-31 13:26:39	[R]	its not going to make your computer blow up if it doesnt work
2021-05-31 13:26:49	simbaclaws	can you show me a pastebin of the source you're using?
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2021-05-31 13:27:56	simbaclaws	what kind of embedded system is this? Any information on the specific brand/model or whatever?
2021-05-31 13:28:29	simbaclaws	any s/n numbers on the motherboard you can check?
2021-05-31 13:29:29	simbaclaws	I suppose it has no documentation whatsoever right?
2021-05-31 13:30:22	hkl0	[R]: you're right. It compiles alright : ) I was just afraid there would be something else, unknown to me, bitting me some time in the future
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2021-05-31 13:30:44	[R]	hkl0: huh?
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2021-05-31 13:32:24	simbaclaws	I have to go eat
2021-05-31 13:32:37	simbaclaws	sorry I'm too much of a noob to be able to help out :/
2021-05-31 13:32:41	simbaclaws	cya
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2021-05-31 13:33:46	katp32	ok but
2021-05-31 13:33:46	katp32	my initramfs works now- oh fuck
2021-05-31 13:33:46	katp32	ok
2021-05-31 13:33:48	katp32	they're back
2021-05-31 13:33:50	katp32	lmmao
2021-05-31 13:34:15	hkl0	[R]: just being extra cautios as once I deploy this software I have no easy way of fixing things. So I was just making sure that compiling would suffice to make sure the whoe musl / glibc was not causing any problems
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2021-05-31 13:34:19	altwulf	katp32: mind the language.
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2021-05-31 13:34:35	[R]	hkl0: well yeah, sounds like you should test it then...
2021-05-31 13:34:43	katp32	you wanna know the reason it was broken? not because I didn't use buildroot or whatever ( :/ ) but because the kernel apparently doesn't check the initramfs for /sbin/init unless rdinit= is set
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2021-05-31 13:36:15	rindolf	Aryan: hi, did you say anything?
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2021-05-31 13:37:03	altwulf	rindolf: I think it might be more constructive to ask which SQL-based RDBMS might _not_ be "suitable for Linux administration".
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2021-05-31 13:39:52	rindolf	altwulf: tell Aryan that
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2021-05-31 13:43:40	altwulf	OK! Aryan, it might be more illuminating to ask what kinds of RDBMS would _not_ be suitable for "linux administration".
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2021-05-31 13:44:17	rindolf	Aryan: mysql had its share of criticisms: https://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/anti/mysql/
2021-05-31 13:45:10	rindolf	Aryan: i'd suggest against non-FOSS RDBMS
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2021-05-31 13:46:09	Moebius	hi
2021-05-31 13:46:54	Moebius	i'm on linux mint and i'm trying to figure out why changing resolution to lower results in shifted desktop halfway up?
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2021-05-31 13:47:24	Moebius	same thing happens when i try to plug in external display and the desktop becomes unusable
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2021-05-31 13:48:35	altwulf	OK, so, next best thing: MariaDB.
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2021-05-31 13:49:04	altwulf	The one thing about sqlite is: concurrency. If you have only one admin, that's not even a thing.
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2021-05-31 14:15:32	simbaclaws	I'm back
2021-05-31 14:15:56	[R]	simbaclaws: great, we missed you
2021-05-31 14:16:09	simbaclaws	really? awwww <3
2021-05-31 14:16:22	simbaclaws	I don't have a bouncer so I can't read previous messages
2021-05-31 14:16:46	[R]	everyone was like "oh man, when is simbaclaws coming back... we miss him/her"
2021-05-31 14:17:03	simbaclaws	wow really? that sounds so much like this channel! awwww
2021-05-31 14:17:10	kfrench	+1
2021-05-31 14:17:52	simbaclaws	I love all of you
2021-05-31 14:17:59	simbaclaws	every single one
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2021-05-31 14:18:14	simbaclaws	even lucifer
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2021-05-31 14:18:41	[R]	even my neighbor Nursultan Tulyakbay? nobody loves him
2021-05-31 14:18:52	simbaclaws	ofcourse I do!
2021-05-31 14:19:30	simbaclaws	it's quite hard to love everybody
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2021-05-31 14:23:56	simbaclaws	oh wow the weechat documentation now has liberachat in the docs
2021-05-31 14:24:00	simbaclaws	time to switch I guess
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2021-05-31 14:31:22	simbaclaws	hmmm I'm getting no such nick/channel when trying to register my nick on libera
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2021-05-31 14:32:14	kfrench	simbaclaws: It did the same for me.  After waiting a day or two, it worked.
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2021-05-31 14:33:31	bagira	sounds reliable
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2021-05-31 14:34:51	simbaclaws	got it working
2021-05-31 14:34:56	simbaclaws	I missspelled nickserv
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2021-05-31 14:35:03	 *	altwulf snickers
2021-05-31 14:35:07	[R]	simbaclaws: yeah, that can be a tough one
2021-05-31 14:35:17	kfrench	I guess it took me a couple of days to learn how to spell
2021-05-31 14:35:29	simbaclaws	I used nickserver instead of nickserv
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2021-05-31 14:53:26	niro	Hi, is this a good channel for kernel dev related questions?
2021-05-31 14:54:34	bagira	niro, check out #kernel
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2021-05-31 14:54:35	Pazooza	There are kernel channels.
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2021-05-31 15:00:00	niro	bagira, thank you.
2021-05-31 15:00:36	bagira	niro, np
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2021-05-31 15:16:09	bagira	is picom better than compton these days?
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2021-05-31 15:29:32	ezio	anyone know a small distro for disk repair so I can just run shred?
2021-05-31 15:29:47	ezio	(or dd)
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2021-05-31 15:40:36	jim	ezio, lots of dists have live images you can boot
2021-05-31 15:41:31	jim	they're usually not so small, as lots of times, they have a DE
2021-05-31 15:41:52	jim	if you just want to run shread...
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2021-05-31 15:51:21	oxek	ezio: define small. Grml or SystemRescue work for this.
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2021-05-31 15:56:48	altwulf	Yeah, if you can boot from a USB stick, you can use just about any distro you can download a live image for.
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2021-05-31 16:01:38	jim	esio, here's a debian one without any gui: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/debian-live-10.9.0-amd64-standard.iso
2021-05-31 16:02:11	Linkandzelda	how do snapshots protect against in progress data operations?
2021-05-31 16:02:20	[R]	Linkandzelda: who said they do?
2021-05-31 16:03:37	Linkandzelda	looking at most rsync articles that say essentially while rsync backs up A and reaches B, B could have been written to, creating inconsistency. they go on to say in that case using snapshots is better
2021-05-31 16:03:50	Linkandzelda	but i dont see how it solves that issue
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2021-05-31 16:06:11	oxek	keep in mind that *that* debian ISO does not have firmware and other non-free things in it, so it might not boot
2021-05-31 16:06:30	oxek	and that it has kernel 4.19 which will also not boot modern hardware
2021-05-31 16:06:32	kfrench	Linkandzelda: You create a snapshot of your target and mount that snapshot somewhere.  Then you rsync from that snapshot, which you know noone is using.
2021-05-31 16:08:50	Linkandzelda	kfrench: right, though it doesnt gurantee any sort of complete backup if there's a file being written to at the same moment
2021-05-31 16:09:22	kfrench	Linkandzelda: It does.  It's a point-in-time backup from when you created the snapshot.  Writes to the original file won't be seen in the snapshot.
2021-05-31 16:09:50	[R]	Linkandzelda: as you said... its "Better"... but its not going to magically fix the issue
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2021-05-31 16:11:28	Nickwiz	aww, thought it was about snap at first.
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2021-05-31 16:13:37	Nickwiz	Installed kpdf by snap once. That was first and last time :D
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2021-05-31 16:17:49	Linkandzelda	[R]: makes me wonder if such an issue can be resolved or if its just not possible
2021-05-31 16:18:31	[R]	you build it into the application
2021-05-31 16:18:46	[R]	thats why databases have transactions and built in backup stuff
2021-05-31 16:19:58	Linkandzelda	[R]: usually i backup files differently to databases, but in this example maybe a user was in the process of uploading their profile picture and it was being written right at the time the snapshot was made. the backup would then contain the half-written image?
2021-05-31 16:20:15	[R]	no
2021-05-31 16:20:24	[R]	filesystems that have snapshot capabilities can deal with that
2021-05-31 16:21:13	kfrench	Linkandzelda: Yes, it's possible you'd get a backup of a half of a file - whatever the filesystem had committed to disk.  You could posssibly get a zero length file too.
2021-05-31 16:21:52	Linkandzelda	ok, what about someone posting a blog post and it contains 10 images. 5 are written, but then the snapshot is made. what happens to the other 5? i assume they are gone too if for example sake the system exploded right then
2021-05-31 16:22:33	[R]	like i said, you're application needs to be aware of the backup to be in the right state
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2021-05-31 16:22:41	kfrench	They would be gone too.  If your blog cared enough about the situation, it would handle it the best way for itself.
2021-05-31 16:23:03	[R]	put it into some kind of a readonly state before creating the snapshot
2021-05-31 16:24:03	kfrench	For example, the blog could write new files to a temp dir somewhere.  Once all 10 were received, it could move them all into their permanent place.  It reduces the size of that window, but the window is still there.
2021-05-31 16:24:39	kfrench	It can certainly write to disk which files are permanent and then just delete the broken ones when it starts up again.  /shrug.
2021-05-31 16:25:28	[R]	or just store it all the database
2021-05-31 16:28:09	Linkandzelda	i see
2021-05-31 16:29:31	Linkandzelda	im just assessing what issues could possibly go wrong. i'd like to make a raspberry pi backup thing that centrally backs up all the local machines whenever it feels like it, and that may or may not have implications on the state of each machine
2021-05-31 16:29:37	kfrench	Linkandzelda: The same question occurs when you ask "What happens to my data if the machine suddenly crashes or loses power?"
2021-05-31 16:29:40	Linkandzelda	and if it worked, do the same with all my servers
2021-05-31 16:30:08	Linkandzelda	kfrench: thats indeed very true
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2021-05-31 16:30:43	Linkandzelda	a snapshot is in a sense if its the final one, the same as saving the state right before cutting the power i guess
2021-05-31 16:31:04	kfrench	Linkandzelda: The general approach is lvm snapshots.  You can call them from the pre and post features of rsync.  You could also call "quiesce the database", or "make a db backup", or whatever from the same scripts
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2021-05-31 16:32:22	kfrench	VSS in Windows does this, but a little more automatic.  An app will hook into the VSS service.  VSS will then tell the app when it needs to complete its current transaction.  Once all of the apps are done, VSS will then make a snapshot.
2021-05-31 16:32:35	kfrench	So, apps are VSS Aware.
2021-05-31 16:32:50	Linkandzelda	kfrench: i was going to say what about machines with no lvm, then a better question probably could be "why are they not using lvm" hehe
2021-05-31 16:33:44	kfrench	Linkandzelda: Apps can still have a "quiet down" option that would be useful for this too.  But, taking a lvm snapshot is a quick process.  Telling an app to quiet down for the entire duration of an rsync backup would be rude.
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2021-05-31 16:34:25	katp32	heyo, it's me again
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2021-05-31 16:34:40	Linkandzelda	i think any "quiet down" for any publicly running service isn't acceptable on a production level
2021-05-31 16:34:42	kfrench	katp32: Hiya, Meghan!
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2021-05-31 16:34:50	katp32	does anyone know where on earth output from /sbin/init goes
2021-05-31 16:35:12	katp32	I finally have busybox running, except I have literally no clue what it's doing :P
2021-05-31 16:35:28	kfrench	Linkandzelda: yup.  That's why your app has to be smarter when it's something you really care about.
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2021-05-31 16:35:50	rascul	katp32 should be something in /var/log maybe syslog or messages
2021-05-31 16:35:55	kfrench	You wouldn't normally just back up the raw db files.  You'd have the db backup tool dump stuff to a backup area and then you'd back up those files.
2021-05-31 16:36:08	katp32	I can't access /var/log because I have no console because busybox isn't giving me any output
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2021-05-31 16:36:34	kfrench	Linkandzelda: Very smart apps will let you do point-in-time restores too - not just restore to the most recent.
2021-05-31 16:36:44	rascul	katp32 can you use a serial console?
2021-05-31 16:37:24	katp32	that's what I'd like, but I can't get busybox to use it; the kernel's early printk logs to the serial console just fine, but no such luck with busybox..
2021-05-31 16:37:28	jim	this is a remote?
2021-05-31 16:37:52	katp32	a router, I'm connected to it with serial
2021-05-31 16:38:17	jim	and this router is in the same room with you?
2021-05-31 16:38:24	katp32	yup, on my desk
2021-05-31 16:38:34	jim	ok, so not a remote
2021-05-31 16:39:06	katp32	it doesn't have any graphical output though, and getting the network set up isn't easy, so I can basically only interact with it over serial..
2021-05-31 16:39:15	kfrench	Linkandzelda: filesystems make certain guarantees on calls like fsync() so apps know that the data really is stored.  filesystems that don't meet those guarantees are generally considered garbage and you wouldn't use them for cases like we're discussing.
2021-05-31 16:39:16	Linkandzelda	kfrench: lucky for me im not exactly running such critical services and only looking to keep incremenetial backups of all my machines for data loss and restore ability
2021-05-31 16:39:45	kfrench	Linkandzelda: yep yep.  That doesn't mean we can't discuss What If for other use cases.
2021-05-31 16:39:50	jim	some routers have these web server things, they use to put configuration dialogs
2021-05-31 16:39:55	katp32	I just tried putting poweroff in /etc/inittab and indeed it turned off after boot, so busybox is reading the inittab
2021-05-31 16:39:58	hwdyki	i'm trying to generate a csr from an exiting ssl cert with openssl x509 -x509toreq -in my.crt -signkey my.key -out my.csr, but the csr does not contain Subject Alternative Name data.
2021-05-31 16:40:15	Linkandzelda	kfrench: im guessing in this case an acceptable filesystem would be zfs?
2021-05-31 16:40:28	jim	I wish I knew more
2021-05-31 16:40:34	kfrench	I haven't used zfs myself, but I would think that would be just fine for anything you threw at it.
2021-05-31 16:40:38	katp32	yeah, I can do some configuration in the bootloader with rescue mode, but that doesn't help me once the kernel has started up, and I don't have any way to save persistent logs
2021-05-31 16:41:14	katp32	it's rather frustrating, given that the kernel itself has no issue logging over serial, so it's soooo close to working ;-;
2021-05-31 16:41:28	kfrench	In the linux world, the top-tier filesystems would be recommended - ext4 and xfs.  You wouldn't put your database on FAT32, for example.
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2021-05-31 16:41:59	Linkandzelda	indeed, ouch fat32
2021-05-31 16:42:28	Linkandzelda	im using ext4 99%, usually on lvm, but i tend to put my local machines without lvm
2021-05-31 16:43:22	kfrench	I use ext3/4 for everything, not that I would be shy about using xfs.  I always use lvm.
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2021-05-31 16:49:44	qqqhhh	hello is there a way do set all interfaces to "up" on boot? it will be a new network card inserted , to which i do not know the mac adress or interface name it will get. I do not care about IP addresses, will be connecting via IPv6 link local address, found out via mac address shown on network bridge.
2021-05-31 16:49:51	jim	can xfs shrink?
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2021-05-31 16:50:51	[R]	jim: no
2021-05-31 16:50:54	kfrench	jim: I don't know.  But, if you put your filesystem on a lvm thin volume, you can fstrim it.  It would release it's unused space back to LVM, thus freeing up space in the vg.
2021-05-31 16:51:28	[R]	qqqhhh: you could write a script that gets all the interfaces and then calls up on them
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2021-05-31 16:52:17	qqqhhh	[R]: yes that would seem to work, is there no another way?
2021-05-31 16:52:44	jim	is there a way to query an existing filesystem, to see the exact number of sectors needed to completely contain it?
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2021-05-31 16:53:35	jim	qqqhhh, if you can get a list of all interfaces, you could use a foreach like loop on them
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2021-05-31 16:54:19	kfrench	jim: dumpe2fs
2021-05-31 16:54:24	kfrench	dunno about xfs
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2021-05-31 17:05:32	ranran8888	Hi how i can know +- what the server i need to run all my script ? i have 8 script coneect to diffent API + apache2 site now i use basic server ubuntu 18 1G 1R 1CPU  u think and sometimes i get out of memory
2021-05-31 17:06:13	ranran8888	its mean 2g and 4R  That should be enough for me
2021-05-31 17:06:32	[R]	ranran8888: well if 1gb isn't enough... it's possible 2 is
2021-05-31 17:06:44	rascul	what if 2 isn't enough?
2021-05-31 17:06:53	kfrench	rascul: Use 8
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2021-05-31 17:07:04	rascul	8 should be enough for everybody
2021-05-31 17:07:09	[R]	8 might not do it though...
2021-05-31 17:07:18	kfrench	8 is enough
2021-05-31 17:07:29	rascul	if 8 isn't enough then there's another problem
2021-05-31 17:07:54	kfrench	The problem would be that you didn't watch enough TV
2021-05-31 17:07:57	 *	rascul wonders if [R] is enough
2021-05-31 17:08:05	 *	bagira has 48
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2021-05-31 17:08:27	ranran8888	and the price in amazon to 2C 4GR -34$  Is it a reasonable price or are there better places?
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2021-05-31 17:08:35	rascul	i'm not drunk enough to count to 48 right now
2021-05-31 17:09:20	bagira	and for some reason all the smart os installers still whine at me for not using swap
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2021-05-31 17:15:46	altwulf	I'm not have as thunk as you drink I am.
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2021-05-31 17:21:03	brutamontes	whats the proper way to: find a line with a match string 784951111 and replace with echo "1 in  33600" and echo "2 in  33600", so the first number is incremental, example: https://pastebin.com/bsPFeNaL
2021-05-31 17:21:03	brutamontes	I was trying: sed -i '/784951111/(.*)/echo "\1\2$((\3+1))\4"/ge' file
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2021-05-31 17:22:15	brutamontes	any help? really need this
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2021-05-31 17:26:34	jim	what;s ee600
2021-05-31 17:26:36	jim	?
2021-05-31 17:27:56	jim	brutamontes, what device are these lines on?
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2021-05-31 17:41:07	kish`	who owns this channel?
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2021-05-31 17:43:10	mlu	kish: the network, generally speaking
2021-05-31 17:43:18	mlu	kish: you could say that for any community channel
2021-05-31 17:43:27	bagira	the users generally
2021-05-31 17:43:52	mlu	the users are practically in power -- it's just a place to meet and chat  :)
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2021-05-31 17:46:37	kish`	mlu, well, i wanted to get in touch with an op
2021-05-31 17:46:55	kish`	there is a ban on @gateway that blocks people who use irccloud to come in here
2021-05-31 17:47:05	[R]	boo hooo
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2021-05-31 17:49:25	mlu	kish: new freenode admins are idiots
2021-05-31 17:49:43	kish`	*!uid*@*irccloud* on Thu Mar 25 19:13:07 2021 by zettel.freenode.net
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2021-05-31 17:49:54	kish`	mlu, this isn't new admin. this is a ban set by chanops
2021-05-31 17:50:29	[R]	that looks like it was set by a server...
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2021-05-31 17:59:48	altwulf	It was set by ##linux staff. Unpaid irccloud accounts are banned.
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2021-05-31 18:55:11	nvmd	how do I turn my laptop into a eth-wifi bridge?
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2021-05-31 18:56:20	exp0sure	isnt there a function built into windows for that?
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2021-05-31 18:56:32	nvmd	what's windows?
2021-05-31 18:56:36	nvmd	:P
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2021-05-31 18:57:00	exp0sure	haha, worth a shot. Endpoints can be linux all you want, if its only a bridge and windows works, why not!
2021-05-31 18:57:21	[R]	nvmd: you can't bridge wifi
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2021-05-31 18:58:01	kish`	altwulf, i tried getting in here when my laptop was dead and couldn't because of that ban.
2021-05-31 18:58:34	nvmd	thing is I need to analyze the network traffic with wireshark, as I'm trying to connect a esp32 board with ethernet to my router. For some reason, DHCP works fine if I share the laptop's connection through the Gnome interface.. but if I connect the cable directly to the board, it doesn't get an IP
2021-05-31 18:59:20	nvmd	so I'm looking into turning the laptop into a full bridge, just forwarding data
2021-05-31 18:59:52	nvmd	followed these steps https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Network_bridge#With_iproute2
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2021-05-31 19:00:54	nvmd	but no luck so far
2021-05-31 19:01:14	altwulf	kish`: unpaid irccloud accounts are banned because of high rates of abuse. You could have found alternative means of connecting.
2021-05-31 19:01:32	nvmd	[R]: why?
2021-05-31 19:01:43	[R]	because the devices just dont support it
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2021-05-31 19:02:11	nvmd	how so?
2021-05-31 19:02:21	[R]	it doesnt work
2021-05-31 19:02:26	[R]	mac address stuff
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2021-05-31 19:02:36	kish`	altwulf, i do not believe the ban to be fair on innocent users.
2021-05-31 19:02:42	kish`	but it's of course your choice
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2021-05-31 19:03:22	nvmd	[R]: can you point me where I can learn about that?
2021-05-31 19:03:29	[R]	google.com?
2021-05-31 19:03:59	nvmd	I mean why it doesn't work. apparently I missed something about L2
2021-05-31 19:04:17	[R]	yeah... google.com
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2021-05-31 19:08:18	shimbles	Welcome to soldnode IRC, where the "board" sold "free" node and spent the money on porn, then created "libera" so they could sell it again. Not to worry! This Friday at 12PM Cosmic Mountain Time everyone logged into soldnode IRC will receive a free laptop with satellite internet so they are automatically notified when "libera" is sold, what the
2021-05-31 19:08:19	shimbles	sale price is, and how many porn subscriptions can be afforded. Remember: On soldnode, we don't talk about the fact that they sold something with free in the name, because legally it couldn't be licensed under the LGPL.
2021-05-31 19:08:36	altwulf	It's as much a matter of being fair to (at the time) two thousand people who had to watch all that crap as anything else.
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2021-05-31 19:09:20	[R]	lol
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2021-05-31 19:10:01	altwulf	kish`: witness, if you will, bullshit.
2021-05-31 19:10:28	nvmd	[R]: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections#Bridging_with_a_wireless_NIC
2021-05-31 19:10:33	nvmd	this doesn't work?
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2021-05-31 19:11:03	[R]	tyr it and see
2021-05-31 19:11:17	kish`	altwulf, hehe
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2021-05-31 19:59:13	yanmaani	hey how's the libera migration going?
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2021-05-31 20:08:17	rascul	it's going 3
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2021-05-31 20:09:25	[R]	rascul: not 3.2?
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2021-05-31 21:59:12	oops	i hope use "traceroute" command , then i i find two form , one is "traceroute" and another is "inetutils-traceroute" , i don't care which are which implementation , who can tell me which is better ?
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2021-05-31 22:58:02	Voxel	Hey all ^^
2021-05-31 22:58:22	Voxel	Can a process name be with a space? For example, in `ps aux` list?
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2021-05-31 23:01:59	Tenues	Voxel: You can binaries with spaces in their names. For example, sh -c my\ binary
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2021-05-31 23:02:18	Voxel	Oh dear
2021-05-31 23:02:18	Tenues	Voxel: Not sure what this question is really about
2021-05-31 23:02:35	Voxel	I wanted to store process names in Bash array
2021-05-31 23:02:47	Voxel	So... it seems, I can't really.
2021-05-31 23:03:13	Tenues	Voxel: You normally track processes using PIDs
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2021-05-31 23:05:02	Voxel	Of course, but how would you now which PID is related to specific program without knowing its name?
2021-05-31 23:05:24	Voxel	I mean, for example, you need to restart NetworkManager
2021-05-31 23:05:39	Voxel	How would you know if NetworkManager is not ""Network Manager"?
2021-05-31 23:05:41	altwulf	You're writing a process monitor?
2021-05-31 23:05:46	Voxel	No?
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2021-05-31 23:06:04	Voxel	I'm writing a script which has to clear its child processes
2021-05-31 23:06:12	altwulf	UKrgh.
2021-05-31 23:06:21	jim	Voxel, if you're looking at a specific process at a specific PID, take a look at /proc/PID
2021-05-31 23:06:24	Voxel	These child processes may include spaces
2021-05-31 23:06:30	Voxel	jim, I do not
2021-05-31 23:06:45	Voxel	I'm looking at speicifc process with specific name
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2021-05-31 23:06:54	jim	not sure why... ps does
2021-05-31 23:07:06	Voxel	The question was how to store processes in a script with its names
2021-05-31 23:07:46	Voxel	Bash array wouldn't not normally work like (PID, NAME, PID, NAME...)
2021-05-31 23:07:53	Voxel	Because Name can contain spaces
2021-05-31 23:07:53	jim	point being, if the pid is the thing you put into the array, you can get the name, it's somewhere in /proc/PID
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2021-05-31 23:08:26	jim	then you won't need to put spaces in there
2021-05-31 23:08:38	Voxel	jim, so you'd store only pids without process names and retrieve process names every time?
2021-05-31 23:08:47	jim	yeah
2021-05-31 23:08:48	Voxel	jim, where?
2021-05-31 23:09:09	jim	not sure what you mean: where what/
2021-05-31 23:09:10	jim	?
2021-05-31 23:09:13	santost12	hello. is there any sort of hack to be able to force unix permissions on exfat(even if it only works for that one system)? I'm familiar with the uid and gid mount options for exfat but i would like a little more control.
2021-05-31 23:09:18	Voxel	Where to not store spaces?
2021-05-31 23:09:31	Voxel	s/store/put/
2021-05-31 23:09:38	jim	in the array
2021-05-31 23:09:52	jim	put PIDs into the array instead of names
2021-05-31 23:09:53	Voxel	IFS is `space`
2021-05-31 23:10:05	Voxel	jim, did you read above array example?
2021-05-31 23:10:15	Voxel	(PID, NAME, PID, NAME)
2021-05-31 23:10:32	Voxel	Re: jim, so you'd store only pids without process names and retrieve process names every time?
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2021-05-31 23:11:09	jim	yes, because they're unambiguous
2021-05-31 23:11:10	Voxel	Like `pgrep -l $pid` for every array element, every single procedure call?
2021-05-31 23:11:42	jim	you shouldn't have to pgrep, all the info you need should be in the proc filesystem
2021-05-31 23:11:56	Voxel	Why not?
2021-05-31 23:12:13	Voxel	Doesn't pgrep read /proc/$pid?
2021-05-31 23:12:14	jim	I dunno, it's an idea... give it a try if youre curious
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2021-05-31 23:12:29	jim	probably
2021-05-31 23:12:32	Voxel	jim, why should I implement my own wheel, if there's a pgrep?
2021-05-31 23:12:58	jim	it might be faster and more efficient
2021-05-31 23:13:11	Voxel	Source?
2021-05-31 23:13:17	Voxel	Why would that faster?
2021-05-31 23:13:47	jim	you're accessing files that have the info you want
2021-05-31 23:14:06	Voxel	Doesn't pgrep also accessing files the same way?
2021-05-31 23:14:13	jim	a grep might take time
2021-05-31 23:14:16	Voxel	access*
2021-05-31 23:14:17	jim	probably
2021-05-31 23:14:29	Voxel	Oh, so "probably"
2021-05-31 23:14:34	Voxel	Nevermind then
2021-05-31 23:14:51	jim	is it worth a try? maybe... you'd have to decide that
2021-05-31 23:15:00	Voxel	jim, thank you for nothing
2021-05-31 23:15:17	Voxel	Tenues, thank you very much for the info! ^^
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2021-05-31 23:16:56	jim	so you're looking to either build, or follow the existing parent pid, so you end up with a tree?
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2021-05-31 23:19:27	Voxel	I'm sorry, jim, btw
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2021-05-31 23:30:06	rascul	Voxel this is some very good information about managing processes  https://mywiki.wooledge.org/ProcessManagement
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2021-05-31 23:33:26	alloy	hello ##linux how is everyone?  I'm in covid lockdown so kinda starved for conversation :)
2021-05-31 23:33:49	santost12	hi
2021-05-31 23:34:03	alloy	A friend at redhat told me yesterday they're ditching freenode for some reason
2021-05-31 23:34:06	alloy	hey santost12 :)
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2021-05-31 23:34:25	jim	alloy, hi
2021-05-31 23:34:26	alloy	the banner on #fedora confirms that
2021-05-31 23:34:32	alloy	hey jim wassup?
2021-05-31 23:34:46	jim	not a lot
2021-05-31 23:34:57	alloy	mmm same
2021-05-31 23:35:22	santost12	moving away from irc entirely or running their own?
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2021-05-31 23:35:40	alloy	can't remember, I think they're using a different service
2021-05-31 23:35:40	jim	alloy, or going to another net?
2021-05-31 23:35:58	alloy	https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/irc-announcement/
2021-05-31 23:37:03	alloy	"Since its beginnings, the Fedora Project has used the freenode IRC network for our project communications. Due to a variety of recent changes to that network"
2021-05-31 23:37:12	jim	got it
2021-05-31 23:37:16	alloy	rather vague about the reasons huh
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2021-05-31 23:37:46	jim	well we know what those changes were
2021-05-31 23:38:10	alloy	oh? I've not heard.
2021-05-31 23:38:40	alloy	oh right, I searched and got it
2021-05-31 23:38:47	altwulf	Let's just say Freenode is under new management.
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2021-05-31 23:40:23	jim	for the past year or two, there's been a new owner of freenode, and he originally promised he'd leave us alone... he majorly broke those promises he made, closing down about 700 channels, because they dared say that they were moving from freenode to a service, and telling everyone what that new service was
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2021-05-31 23:41:11	jim	and this caused people to leave even faster
2021-05-31 23:41:59	alloy	indeed, reading the register about it now
2021-05-31 23:42:07	alloy	dang, that's a shame
2021-05-31 23:42:11	jim	alloy, ##linux is also moving to irc.libera.chat
2021-05-31 23:42:12	santost12	i havent been keeping up with any of this. whats the new service?
2021-05-31 23:42:25	alloy	https://www.theregister.com/2021/05/19/freenode_staff_resigns/
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2021-05-31 23:43:40	jim	alloy, it's the same irc net that fedora is going to, according to the link you posted a minute ago
2021-05-31 23:44:19	alloy	oh wow, #ubuntu is locked
2021-05-31 23:44:40	jim	Freenode closed that channel
2021-05-31 23:44:43	alloy	right, so this is a real thing
2021-05-31 23:44:52	alloy	jim, crazy!
2021-05-31 23:44:57	jim	yep, as real as it gets
2021-05-31 23:45:32	alloy	lol makes me want to use some phrases that would result in a kick-ban
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2021-05-31 23:46:31	alloy	"This channel has moved to ##arduino. The topic is in violation of freenode policy: https://freenode.net/policies"
2021-05-31 23:46:31	santost12	i never read the rules. i just use common sense.
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2021-05-31 23:48:45	alloy	I've just watched people get kicked for decades ;)
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2021-05-31 23:50:08	Voxel	More info: https://p.datadoghq.com/sb/5c2fc00be-a7ff310d59231e5d808ca2f34f275d02
2021-05-31 23:50:14	jim	yep, it is crazy... if the owner guy (Andrew Lee) hadn't been jealous of the work we did, getting the numbers up, we would have never set up irc.libera.chat, as we were hoping Lee would be reasonable... but he wasn't, and everyone knows where they can go, everyone knows old freenode staff went to libera, and there are so many other choices they have, and some have chosen to stay here
2021-05-31 23:51:17	[R]	hes the crown prince of korea!
2021-05-31 23:51:22	[R]	give him some respect!
2021-05-31 23:51:29	Voxel	Also https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt and https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409
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2021-05-31 23:51:48	Voxel	[R], but why did they do it, though?
2021-05-31 23:52:00	[R]	Voxel: the crown prince doesn't need a reason!
2021-05-31 23:52:12	Voxel	I've been here for 9 years, iirc
2021-05-31 23:52:39	jim	what respect has he shown us? none. he just doesn't understand that people want to determine their own fate, and not be forced into a particular fate, just because it financially benefits him
2021-05-31 23:52:41	Voxel	Not this exact account, though
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2021-05-31 23:53:03	alloy	[R], yeah I read that - sure wish there were emojis here <laughing with tears face>
2021-05-31 23:53:14	[R]	alloy: there are... 🎶
2021-05-31 23:53:23	alloy	oh!  yay for unicode
2021-05-31 23:53:23	Voxel	alloy, https://emojipedia.org/face-with-tears-of-joy/
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2021-05-31 23:53:35	alloy	😂
2021-05-31 23:53:50	alloy	jeez you can tell I'm a grey beard hehe
2021-05-31 23:54:01	alloy	at least I have a fish on my fish shell ;)
2021-05-31 23:54:12	Voxel	jim, it appears /proc/$pid/cmdline returns full command, not process name
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2021-05-31 23:54:22	jim	I've been using xonsh
2021-05-31 23:54:27	Voxel	So, for example, it'll return ''/bin/bash Some Exe With Spaces --option'
2021-05-31 23:54:30	alloy	you all tried fish?  it makes bash feel like cp/m lol
2021-05-31 23:54:58	santost12	is there any sort of hack to be able to force unix permissions on exfat? Or is this something that's impossible because of exfat? i'm familiar with the uid and gid mount options for exfat but i would like a little more control.
2021-05-31 23:55:10	jim	sh is a little cpmish, probably, cpm was inspired by it
2021-05-31 23:55:28	alloy	jim, yeah, especially people into foss want fateto choose their own
2021-05-31 23:55:40	alloy	damn touch pad - rearrange those words
2021-05-31 23:55:57	Voxel	What a rainbow: https://i.imgur.com/rHBSNsR.png
2021-05-31 23:56:07	jim	santost12, I don't think so, not by any direct method
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2021-06-01 00:04:14	alloy	lol@"conducive"
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2021-06-01 00:05:17	alloy	I love it when people try to use legalish sounding stuff
2021-06-01 00:05:32	altwulf	They try to.
2021-06-01 00:06:08	alloy	my ex wife is a lawyer lol - how scary does that sound
2021-06-01 00:06:09	altwulf	I think, with my superb and unassailable command of the English language, I might have said "quit being an ass."
2021-06-01 00:06:36	alloy	we split like 20 years ago and get on great... but you can imagine that would be a bad situation for many people :D
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2021-06-01 00:07:47	alloy	she's frikkin brilliant, oldest son did law and she just read all his law books, she goes through books like a wood-chipper
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2021-06-01 00:08:07	alloy	altwulf, succinct!
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2021-06-01 00:11:22	altwulf	I'm often bemused by people who insist on using (1) words whose meanings they don't understand and (2) too goddamn MANY of them!
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2021-06-01 00:17:03	Voxel	Oh dear...
2021-06-01 00:17:23	Voxel	Getting actual's process name is something awful...
2021-06-01 00:17:36	Voxel	Program's name, I meant
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2021-06-01 00:19:20	rindolf	altwulf: hi, sup?
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2021-06-01 00:19:38	Voxel	For example, bash's executed script can be located in /proc/$pic/fd/255, hence: 'basename -- "$(readlink "/proc/${pid}/fd/255")"'
2021-06-01 00:19:48	Voxel	But what if it's not bash executed?
2021-06-01 00:20:39	Voxel	The main problem is that processes can have spaces in their filenames
2021-06-01 00:21:10	Voxel	Ad then you don't know if the command has an argument ot that's filename's part
2021-06-01 00:21:17	Voxel	s/argument/option/
2021-06-01 00:21:23	rindolf	altwulf: i may have erred on using too high language in this essay: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/
2021-06-01 00:21:25	Voxel	s/ot/or//
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2021-06-01 00:22:53	chrisawi	Voxel: in /proc/$pid/cmdline, args are separated by '\0', not ' '
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2021-06-01 00:23:19	Voxel	SAY WHAT?!
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2021-06-01 00:27:56	altwulf	rindolf: I didn't scan very far, but what little I did see looked natural.
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2021-06-01 00:30:30	rindolf	altwulf: ah, well some non-native speakers complained
2021-06-01 00:30:34	alloy	lol what happened to santoshi12 - was he kick banned for asking about WSL? :D
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2021-06-01 00:31:09	alloy	hmm I wonder if some bookie site has bets on when MS will release a Linux...
2021-06-01 00:31:30	alloy	(I don't gamble very much at all, but I understand there is book on almost anything these days)
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2021-06-01 00:34:11	alloy	✌️😎👍
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2021-06-01 00:38:50	bagira	"commercial fan fiction"
2021-06-01 00:38:53	bagira	my goodness
2021-06-01 00:39:32	alloy	there's a nice oxymoron bagira
2021-06-01 00:39:59	bagira	that's a road that leads to "I like the Kentucky Fried Chicken ending of Dragon Ball Z better than the AT&T version of Claymore"
2021-06-01 00:40:32	alloy	rofl
2021-06-01 00:40:50	altwulf	rindolf: you need to bear in mind that non-native speakers often find natural English a bit much to handle.
2021-06-01 00:40:59	alloy	still lolling :D
2021-06-01 00:42:26	altwulf	alloy: I don't see santoshi in this channel's logs.
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2021-06-01 00:50:21	Voxel	chrisawi, so... perhaps it's a sleepy factor, but...
2021-06-01 00:50:23	Voxel	http://termbin.com/4zmf
2021-06-01 00:50:33	Voxel	It seems, this one doesn't split the string by \0 char
2021-06-01 00:50:39	Voxel	Here's Bash 4.3
2021-06-01 00:50:44	Voxel	I can't really upgrade it
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2021-06-01 00:51:00	Voxel	readarray supports -d in 4.4, for example
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2021-06-01 00:51:30	rindolf	bagira: :) \o/
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2021-06-01 00:55:17	rindolf	altwulf: maybe. it's not unique to english
2021-06-01 00:55:52	altwulf	It most certainly is not.
2021-06-01 00:57:14	rindolf	altwulf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth#Origin
2021-06-01 00:58:05	bagira	rindolf, you really shouldn't use that word in public :P
2021-06-01 00:58:27	rindolf	ppl spoke hebrew incorrectly too
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2021-06-01 00:58:56	rindolf	bagira: which word?
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2021-06-01 01:01:29	bagira	rindolf, just a joke on the context of the origin....just in case someone pronounces it wrong :)
2021-06-01 01:01:49	rindolf	bagira: ah
2021-06-01 01:01:51	altwulf	rindolf: "people", not "ppl". We're not stuck with an abjad.
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2021-06-01 01:02:34	altwulf	Jeebus, I can't even imagine what it must be like trying to read something written in an abjad.
2021-06-01 01:02:40	rindolf	altwulf: sorry, force of habit -
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2021-06-01 01:03:32	rindolf	altwulf: i also type slowly
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2021-06-01 01:04:10	bagira	the purpose of language is to copy information from one mind to another
2021-06-01 01:04:13	altwulf	Spend more time with people after the lights go out! They'll nimble your fingers up!
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2021-06-01 01:04:19	bagira	if it serves that purpose it is functional
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2021-06-01 01:04:37	bagira	it is also fluid
2021-06-01 01:04:54	bagira	and evolves, at an unfixed standard
2021-06-01 01:05:05	altwulf	Your point?
2021-06-01 01:05:15	bagira	e.g. the language evolves first, the standard copies to that
2021-06-01 01:06:20	bagira	this means that rigid adherance to a non-functional and secondary preference of language irregardless of adherance to its primary functional requirement is technically counterproductive to the evolution of language :P
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2021-06-01 01:07:36	altwulf	A fully functional counterargument is that the efficiency with which information is "copied" from one mind to another correlates with how much effort has to be expended in its decryption.
2021-06-01 01:07:41	rindolf	bagira: a language is a tool of thought as well
2021-06-01 01:07:50	bagira	it also is a form of thought policing when taking into account the (admittedly chomskyesque) notion that language structure shapes, promotes, and restricts thought patterns to popular specifications
2021-06-01 01:08:14	altwulf	It is not "thought policing".
2021-06-01 01:08:32	bagira	altwulf, then do you deny that language structure impacts thought patterns?
2021-06-01 01:08:42	altwulf	I do not deny that.
2021-06-01 01:09:03	bagira	altwulf, so if you force a language structure arbitrarily and against its natural state are you not forcing its accompanying restrictions to thought patterns?
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2021-06-01 01:09:59	altwulf	This channel is a collection point for people from a great many countries in which English is not spoken on the street. The purpose of a proscription against SMS-style English is to maximise the channel's accessibility to all visitors.
2021-06-01 01:10:43	altwulf	It's also to maximise accessibility to the deaf and hearing impaired for whom English language phonetics may have little or no meaning.
2021-06-01 01:11:08	altwulf	It is not "thought police", however you might contrive an argument to the otherwise.
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2021-06-01 01:11:30	bagira	why would they have little or no meaning, phonetics is a pattern system the same as rigidly perfect american english (more so in some dialects)
2021-06-01 01:11:51	bagira	fine, fine, i never get to argue about linguistics anymore
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2021-06-01 01:12:08	altwulf	Patterns to which the congenitally deaf have never been exposed.
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2021-06-01 01:13:14	syb0rg	Man, I haven't been here lately but this drama lately is something else. Glad to see the topic mentions libera
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2021-06-01 01:13:30	altwulf	In addition to the foregoing, technical life is already full of acronyms, abbreviations and the like. The term "ppl", for example, could also be taken as "parts per litre".
2021-06-01 01:13:32	[R]	syb0rg: IRC has had drama since 1988
2021-06-01 01:13:57	altwulf	And online drama in chat "rooms" predate the Internet. :D
2021-06-01 01:14:01	syb0rg	humanity has had drama says ugh said "guh" to thog
2021-06-01 01:14:04	syb0rg	*since
2021-06-01 01:14:07	bagira	[R], pretty sure that's just a spammer trying to generate a narrative and influence public opinion with contextless rhetoric
2021-06-01 01:14:34	syb0rg	nope bagira just a person who saw a few articles lately and hoped this channel survived
2021-06-01 01:14:55	syb0rg	since I was immediately sassed from all angles it seems all is well =D
2021-06-01 01:15:03	bagira	syb0rg, right, there have been some dirty tricks to give a negative impression to media about the state of things
2021-06-01 01:15:14	bagira	we're actually in pretty good shape
2021-06-01 01:15:21	syb0rg	good to hear
2021-06-01 01:15:32	altwulf	Give it a couple of months and say that again.
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2021-06-01 01:15:59	bagira	that first wave is always the worst in a campaign like that, it takes the press to catch up before the see-saw flips positions
2021-06-01 01:16:06	bagira	in terms of impression management
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2021-06-01 01:16:51	altwulf	At least 221 projects have left Freenode. That's an awful lot of smoke for there to have been no fire.
2021-06-01 01:17:02	bagira	oh i wont not call it a fire
2021-06-01 01:17:18	bagira	lotta impulsive reactions to a bombardment of propaganda
2021-06-01 01:17:23	 *	[R] gets some popcorn for the bagira vs altwulf 
2021-06-01 01:17:28	 *	[R] puts it on PPV
2021-06-01 01:17:36	altwulf	I'd say an entire staff resigning en masse is quite an "impulse".
2021-06-01 01:17:56	bagira	altwulf, how else would they have had an effect?
2021-06-01 01:18:30	bagira	there's a bigger picture here slowly unfolding
2021-06-01 01:18:43	altwulf	Yes, there are some pieces missing. We're waiting.
2021-06-01 01:19:30	rindolf	bagira: i should also note that commercial fanfic can be a screenwriter collecting money to convert a screenplay from CC-by-nc-sa to CC0
2021-06-01 01:19:53	rindolf	bagira: i should also note that commercial fanfic can also be a screenwriter collecting money to convert a screenplay from CC-by-nc-sa to CC0
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2021-06-01 01:20:56	syb0rg	and the requisite troll having a stroke is here. Yep, channel's fine
2021-06-01 01:21:21	altwulf	syb0rg: in your view, who's trolling?
2021-06-01 01:21:54	syb0rg	I was referring to rindolf altwulf, although perhaps I just don't understand what the hell he means
2021-06-01 01:22:00	rindolf	requisite troll?
2021-06-01 01:22:11	altwulf	I saw no trolling.
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2021-06-01 01:22:47	bagira	ah the good old 'associative label' device
2021-06-01 01:23:13	bagira	'troll' is the same class of literary device as 'conspiracy theory'
2021-06-01 01:23:35	altwulf	Yes. Connotationally loaded language. Familiar with the concept?
2021-06-01 01:23:37	rindolf	syb0rg: we were discussing my https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/ essay
2021-06-01 01:23:54	bagira	So if someone say something is going on that involves nefarious actors working in collusions I can say "man that that sounds like a conspiracy theory" and it detracts from his credibility.
2021-06-01 01:23:55	rindolf	bagira: also 'spam'
2021-06-01 01:23:57	syb0rg	ah okay rindolf, I just lacked context then. Apologies =P
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2021-06-01 01:24:13	altwulf	Rindolf wanted to know if it sounded stilted or pretentious. To me, it "sounded" natural.
2021-06-01 01:24:21	bagira	Just like I can say "he's a troll" to dehumanize him and socially enable others to disregard what he's informing people of.
2021-06-01 01:24:34	rindolf	syb0rg: no worries
2021-06-01 01:24:36	bagira	spam is one
2021-06-01 01:24:44	altwulf	Define "spam".
2021-06-01 01:24:44	bagira	so is 'harassment' these days
2021-06-01 01:25:07	bagira	commercial advertisement
2021-06-01 01:25:20	bagira	unsolicited commercial advertisement
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2021-06-01 01:26:11	altwulf	What about references to noncommercial entities?
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2021-06-01 01:26:34	bagira	i think at that point there's a gray area based on scale of the communication
2021-06-01 01:26:35	[R]	what about solicited advertistment?
2021-06-01 01:26:41	bagira	[
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2021-06-01 01:26:49	bagira	[R], you're a solicited advertisement
2021-06-01 01:26:52	altwulf	"scale"? What about venue?
2021-06-01 01:27:00	rindolf	syb0rg: my skin is thicker than it used to be
2021-06-01 01:27:16	bagira	altwulf, i dont think so but im tired
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2021-06-01 01:28:24	altwulf	Then maybe you should rest.
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2021-06-01 01:29:10	bagira	yeah, probly should.  im just glad this channel is here.  i grew up in this channel.
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2021-06-01 01:29:52	rindolf	i also encourage the critics: http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Encourage_criticism_and_try_to_get_offended/
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2021-06-01 01:32:23	BobbyJr	rindolf: I'd agree with that. Learning to accept criticism is healthy. As is exposing yourself intentionally to views or opinions very different to your own.
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2021-06-01 01:35:44	rindolf	BobbyJr: right! "All Truth is God’s Truth”
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2021-06-01 03:04:41	binux	Could someone help me with this.  I keep getting a parse error with sudo:  %devel ALL=(testuser) NOPASSWD:ALL, (root) /usr/bin/su testuser
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2021-06-01 03:07:18	RayTracer	binux: I think the comma is the issue
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2021-06-01 03:13:42	Chris_Vim	Hey guys, I've got a question to a strange behaviour in vim. If I start it it won't show utf-8 characters even if I set it to utf-8 in the vimrc. After I hit the ß button multiple times something switches and it starts to show the utf-8 characters correct. Does anyone know what the reason for this strange behaviour might be?
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2021-06-01 03:15:48	pingfloyd	Chris_Vim: which button?
2021-06-01 03:15:49	Aryan	http://ix.io/3ot2
2021-06-01 03:16:18	Aryan	how can I ssh into my vagrant machine with `ssh`? NOT `vagrant ssh`
2021-06-01 03:16:38	pingfloyd	Chris_Vim: maybe it's your terminal emulator
2021-06-01 03:16:45	pingfloyd	Chris_Vim: maybe it has some toggle for that
2021-06-01 03:16:57	mlu	Aryan: you'll need to use vagrant to find out the parameters
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2021-06-01 03:18:41	Aryan	mlu, any explanation for this? http://ix.io/3ot2
2021-06-01 03:18:59	Aryan	I guess I just need to find the pub_key location.
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2021-06-01 03:19:50	Dresden	Aryan: yeah the computer changed
2021-06-01 03:20:05	Dresden	Like say I ssh into 10.42.0.14 and another machine is there, I'll get that error because it's not the same as the machine that was there
2021-06-01 03:20:15	Dresden	So it's either an attack - or its you
2021-06-01 03:20:20	mlu	Aryan: yeah, every time you tell vagrant to spin up a new box, it's a new box and will have a new host key
2021-06-01 03:20:42	mlu	Aryan: your ssh stores the identities in ~/.ssh/known_hosts
2021-06-01 03:21:29	Chris_Vim	pingfloyd: thanks a lot for your answer. It's a german lapto so it's a german character "ß". I'm using st but I already checked xterm. If I start another session without a desktop environment vim doesn't show this behaviour.
2021-06-01 03:21:31	mlu	Aryan: if you have used vagrant to recreate your box/instance since, you last SSHed in, you should go to ~/.ssh/known_hosts and remove the corresponding lines since they're outdated
2021-06-01 03:21:53	mlu	it's a security feature to help prevent a MITM issue (i.e. you should be getting red flags if you see that message all of a sudden but your machine didn't change)
2021-06-01 03:22:28	Chris_Vim	pingfloyd: I'm using i3 maybe it has to do somethink with the wm
2021-06-01 03:22:49	pingfloyd	Chris_Vim: probably
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2021-06-01 03:36:02	Aryan	mlu, thanks.
2021-06-01 03:36:36	Aryan	I addressed the private_key and problem solved.
2021-06-01 03:36:45	Aryan	ssh -i /home/aryan/mail/.vagrant/machines/ubuntu/libvirt/private_key vagrant@192.168.121.224
2021-06-01 03:38:04	mlu	yep, that's how you'd do it, now keep youtr private key somewhere secure :)
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2021-06-01 03:53:27	pingfloyd	the point of the warning is to get your attention to make sure you're connecting to where you think are.
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2021-06-01 04:08:44	Aryan	can I preview my grub.cfg instead of rebooting and viewing it?
2021-06-01 04:08:50	rindolf	Aryan: here? any luck with sql?
2021-06-01 04:09:07	rindolf	Aryan: less / cat
2021-06-01 04:09:32	rindolf	vim, kate, emacs
2021-06-01 04:10:02	Aryan	rindolf, haven't started learning it. i'd rather finish my unfinished tasks first. but thank you for asking.
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2021-06-01 04:10:20	Aryan	rindolf, no, I mean viewing to see if it works or not...
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2021-06-01 04:10:36	Aryan	not viewing it's text.
2021-06-01 04:10:36	rindolf	ed: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.html
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2021-06-01 04:10:53	wigums	Aryan the only way to make sure it works is to use it
2021-06-01 04:11:04	rindolf	Aryan: then trying / previewing?
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2021-06-01 04:11:33	rindolf	Aryan: can you use a livecd / etc
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2021-06-01 04:12:53	Aryan	I'll just reboot.
2021-06-01 04:13:04	Aryan	TTYL
2021-06-01 04:13:48	rindolf	Aryan: good luck
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2021-06-01 04:14:08	Rose	Hi
2021-06-01 04:14:15	Rose	Guys
2021-06-01 04:14:34	Rose	This is my first using irc
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2021-06-01 04:20:27	Aryan	Rose, yay
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2021-06-01 04:34:56	UnfreenodeCube	bagira:  most of the damage to the network is self-inflicted and as such somewhat deserved.
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2021-06-01 04:37:26	oops	my glassfish depend on openjdk8 and my sagemath depend on openjdk11, if they both exist in my pc , the system default is openjdk11 which cause glassfish  doesn't work, if i delete openjdk 11 and keep openjdk8 left, the sagemath crash , how to resolve this problem?
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2021-06-01 04:38:09	rindolf	Aryan: hi, did it work?
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2021-06-01 04:40:57	UnfreenodeCube	'So if someone say something is going on that involves nefarious actors working in collusions I can say "man that that sounds like a conspiracy theory" and it detracts from his credibility.' come to think of it this is a bold statement to be making considering rasengan has been alluding to exactly this, bagira!
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2021-06-01 05:38:11	wondiws	how can you use a serial terminal application like minicom in line mode?
2021-06-01 05:38:16	wondiws	or cu?
2021-06-01 05:49:40	wondiws	is there any application that lets me use a serial port in canonical mode?
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2021-06-01 06:01:52	rindolf	wondiws: hi
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2021-06-01 06:10:43	wondiws	hi rindolf
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2021-06-01 06:12:12	c4pt00	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vY4lzTfdBWw
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2021-06-01 06:15:44	rindolf	wondiws: there is 'chat' too
2021-06-01 06:15:59	wondiws	rindolf, yeah, but I found out cutecom does what I want now
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2021-06-01 06:16:31	rindolf	wondiws: ah. nice
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2021-06-01 06:33:27	Rose	hello
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2021-06-01 07:27:14	triceratux	nice comments https://fedoramagazine.org/irc-announcement-fedora-moving-to-libera-chat/
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2021-06-01 07:30:33	triceratux	everything ive seen so far has had a positive effect on freenonde & on this channel
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2021-06-01 07:34:50	jellyb	are you choosing to stay on freenode?
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2021-06-01 07:34:53	Muimi	is there a hdd wipe program that comes built-in on arch?
2021-06-01 07:35:03	Muimi	soryr I mean antiX
2021-06-01 07:36:55	triceratux	Muimi: the dd on anitx will wipe stuff
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2021-06-01 07:37:18	Muimi	I'm trying to cleanse an old hdd of all files to prevent recovery ops
2021-06-01 07:37:27	djph	Muimi: hammer
2021-06-01 07:37:35	Muimi	refund :/
2021-06-01 07:38:00	Muimi	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda this way?
2021-06-01 07:38:10	djph	that'll write zeroes to the drive, yes
2021-06-01 07:38:13	djph	although
2021-06-01 07:38:15	djph	hda?
2021-06-01 07:38:22	djph	they still make IDE drives o_O
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2021-06-01 07:38:47	Muimi	dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda or this one?
2021-06-01 07:39:04	Muimi	It's a sada hdd
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2021-06-01 07:40:51	ananke	Muimi: /dev/zero will be faster
2021-06-01 07:41:30	djph	Muimi: SATA HDD will probably be /dev/sdX
2021-06-01 07:41:30	Muimi	how much time are we talking?  I want to make it air-tight because *ahem* my *whisper* irc chat logs *unwhisper* are on there
2021-06-01 07:41:39	djph	(where "X" is a,b,c,whatever)
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2021-06-01 07:41:58	djph	Muimi: how big is the drive?
2021-06-01 07:42:03	Muimi	750gb
2021-06-01 07:42:26	ananke	Muimi: add status=progress to see the difference. we can't tell you the numbers
2021-06-01 07:42:41	Muimi	ok
2021-06-01 07:42:45	djph	and its sustained sequential write speed is ... what ... maybe 200 MiB / sec?
2021-06-01 07:42:56	Muimi	the drive is damaged, though. it locks up
2021-06-01 07:42:59	triceratux	Muimi: at least thats better than running element.io where your irc logs are on every matrix server on the planet :)
2021-06-01 07:43:05	Muimi	so i feel like there's a low chance I can actually suceed
2021-06-01 07:43:45	Muimi	Would be better to open the thing up and pour blue syrup on the inside.
2021-06-01 07:44:17	ananke	as opposed to pink syrup? wtf
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2021-06-01 07:44:36	Muimi	I mean that blue toner stuff peopel use to destroy docs
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2021-06-01 07:44:48	Muimi	laundry dye?
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2021-06-01 07:45:37	ananke	Muimi: last time I checked, _dye_ doesn't affect ferromagnetic properties, unless you've discovered something unknown to science
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2021-06-01 07:52:05	Muimi	Not sure.  ferric ferrocyanide (blue iron salt)
2021-06-01 07:52:56	Muimi	What if I just put a heavy magnet on it, though?
2021-06-01 07:53:30	ananke	heavy magnets won't do much
2021-06-01 07:53:59	djph	hammer will
2021-06-01 07:54:11	ananke	hell, try it yourself, see what you get. I bet you a shiny nickel your home magnets won't do squat
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2021-06-01 07:59:53	Muimi	so if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda
2021-06-01 08:00:56	Muimi	i'll go try it
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2021-06-01 08:01:06	ananke	 /dev/zero will be faster, but it's your time so suit yourself
2021-06-01 08:01:51	oxek	dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdX bs=1M status=progress
2021-06-01 08:01:54	oxek	do that
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2021-06-01 08:02:44	oxek	alternatively use badblocks if you want to find out if the drive has any bad sectors
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2021-06-01 08:02:53	oxek	badblocks -v -s -w -b 4096 /dev/sdX
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2021-06-01 08:03:01	oxek	but it will take 4 times as long
2021-06-01 08:03:51	oxek	alternatively, use ATA SECURE ERASE https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase
2021-06-01 08:03:56	oxek	but that's a bit more complicated
2021-06-01 08:04:33	rascul	it's not ssd? just use shred
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2021-06-01 08:19:32	Echoz	Destroying the drives is easier if you're just gonna throw them away anyway.
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2021-06-01 08:23:02	oxek	Echoz: I just overwrite them, and then post them on ebay saying that they were used for BTC mining but no longer work
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2021-06-01 08:40:15	seven-eleven	hi, is libera.chat down?
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2021-06-01 08:40:34	rindolf	Aryan: here?
2021-06-01 08:41:01	seven-eleven	i get Connection failure: Host not found
2021-06-01 08:41:37	triceratux	pings for me
2021-06-01 08:41:53	seven-eleven	hm pings for me too
2021-06-01 08:42:12	triceratux	i can do a /whois & it responds
2021-06-01 08:42:24	triceratux	its infra. it cant be down
2021-06-01 08:42:33	seven-eleven	i will try another FQDN, maybe tantalum.libera.chat works
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2021-06-01 08:43:16	seven-eleven	yea now im on it
2021-06-01 08:43:17	seven-eleven	weird
2021-06-01 08:43:47	triceratux	they want to make sure youre paying attention
2021-06-01 08:44:14	seven-eleven	irc.libera.chat works too now, maybe it was down temporarily (or my network had issues) and it stopped trying after x attempts
2021-06-01 08:44:39	seven-eleven	 well thanks triceratux :-)
2021-06-01 08:44:54	RougeR	anyone got experience with the dreaded r8169 realtek network chip and drivers
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2021-06-01 08:45:15	RougeR	trying to find which driver i need...and how to install
2021-06-01 08:45:30	RougeR	keep getting drop outs a few times a day to a few times an hour
2021-06-01 08:45:32	oxek	it's dreaded for a reason
2021-06-01 08:45:40	RougeR	it appears this way :(
2021-06-01 08:46:13	oxek	if your time is worth any money, it will be cheaper for you to buy another thing that doesn't have that network chip
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2021-06-01 08:46:49	RougeR	I can grab a pci-e network card and use that
2021-06-01 08:47:10	RougeR	but i do wonder if its possible to get this one working
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2021-06-01 08:47:25	RougeR	part of me is tempted not to fuck with it though
2021-06-01 08:47:30	RougeR	i need this machine for work
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2021-06-01 08:48:00	RougeR	network chip is: 22:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 15)
2021-06-01 08:48:21	RougeR	its on my msi motherboard b450m mobo
2021-06-01 08:48:39	RougeR	ubuntu 20.04
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2021-06-01 08:49:20	RougeR	sudo apt-get install r8168-dkms returns:
2021-06-01 08:49:42	RougeR	https://dpaste.org/RboP
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2021-06-01 08:51:44	triceratux	bwahaha no its not a github thing https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus
2021-06-01 08:53:17	RougeR	triceratux, i was just trying to join #ubuntu
2021-06-01 08:53:28	RougeR	and i just joined LibraIRC and cant connect
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2021-06-01 08:54:17	triceratux	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SFXXDO4LHA
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2021-06-01 08:54:37	RougeR	lol
2021-06-01 08:54:38	oxek	RougeR: librairc is a wrong network
2021-06-01 08:54:43	oxek	it is libera chat
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2021-06-01 08:54:57	RougeR	ahhh
2021-06-01 08:55:03	triceratux	type liberal & hit backspace
2021-06-01 08:55:06	RougeR	thanks!
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2021-06-01 08:59:48	RougeR	yeah im no now oxek thank you
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2021-06-01 09:00:06	RougeR	i wasnt aware of this shit show with freenode till today
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2021-06-01 09:00:47	triceratux	best. irc. drama. ever :)
2021-06-01 09:01:36	RougeR	ikr
2021-06-01 09:01:45	jellyb	theyve squashed the drama
2021-06-01 09:01:51	RougeR	best since the ripster shit show on freenode
2021-06-01 09:01:53	jellyb	theres no place to discuss it properly
2021-06-01 09:01:58	RougeR	geekhack*
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2021-06-01 09:08:39	oxek	the drama was bigger when the eris-free network was created
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2021-06-01 09:09:49	ramzy	yo
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2021-06-01 09:11:12	Lord_of_Life	That is called censorship
2021-06-01 09:11:38	Lord_of_Life	Motivated by fear in this case
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2021-06-01 09:13:29	ramzy	this is my new client and its super fuckin weird
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2021-06-01 09:14:28	oxek	jellyb: of course you can discuss it freely on this network, there are even dedicated channels for it
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2021-06-01 09:15:09	jellyb	what channels are they
2021-06-01 09:15:10	ramzy	can you see my massages ??
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2021-06-01 09:15:18	jellyb	yeah
2021-06-01 09:15:23	oxek	jellyb: try ##libera on this network
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2021-06-01 09:16:13	oxek	ramzy: it's just irsii, nothing weird.
2021-06-01 09:16:40	ramzy	ok ill lurk moar about it and come back
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2021-06-01 09:17:20	ramzy	oxek : im used to mah bloated gui
2021-06-01 09:18:16	oxek	it's a little unusual you'd go with irsii instead of weechat, if you're new to this
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2021-06-01 09:19:08	ramzy	oxek :it has an xmpp plugin
2021-06-01 09:20:00	oxek	ramzy: so does weechat
2021-06-01 09:20:23	ramzy	oxek :no only matrix
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2021-06-01 09:20:43	triceratux	jellyb: it was always some kind of github issue. theres not much more to discuss. they did a great job taking all those tiny projects with them
2021-06-01 09:21:05	triceratux	too bad they lost #fedora #ubuntu & #debian but thats on the crown prince :)
2021-06-01 09:21:11	ramzy	oxek :also wee chat has a wierd name
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2021-06-01 09:21:29	oxek	ramzy: weechat-xmpp exists, but `profanity` (that's the actual name of the client) is better at xmpp than weechat or irsii anyway
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2021-06-01 09:21:54	oxek	weechat = Wee Enhanced Environment for Chat
2021-06-01 09:21:56	oxek	makes sense
2021-06-01 09:22:18	ramzy	choinese name
2021-06-01 09:22:25	jellyb	it becomes recursive
2021-06-01 09:22:29	oxek	ramzy: that's WeChat
2021-06-01 09:23:05	jellyb	archlinux, voidlinux and gentoo as well
2021-06-01 09:23:12	jellyb	among various others im sure
2021-06-01 09:23:30	ramzy	jellyb: how ?
2021-06-01 09:23:41	jellyb	the transition could have been better managed
2021-06-01 09:23:44	ramzy	jellyb: also GNU
2021-06-01 09:24:13	jellyb	ah yeah i meant they moved to another network
2021-06-01 09:24:43	triceratux	jellyb: actually it couldnt, they spun up a complete plug compatible freenode clone in like 48 hrs
2021-06-01 09:25:12	jellyb	that is, there were unforced errors on rasengans part
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2021-06-01 09:25:35	jellyb	he could of done things to slow the exodus
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2021-06-01 09:26:53	jellyb	in hindsight, admittedly
2021-06-01 09:29:08	triceratux	guys is neochat usable yet ? https://9to5linux.com/neochat-1-2-released-with-bubbles-inline-replies-account-switcher-and-much-more
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2021-06-01 09:30:25	Two_Dogs	bubbles even
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2021-06-01 09:30:57	Two_Dogs	it must be good, came from kde
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2021-06-01 09:31:30	triceratux	i had better luck with gomuks. matrix clients are weird
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2021-06-01 09:34:54	Two_Dogs	i heard Matrix is a honey pot ran by the reptilian alien overlords
2021-06-01 09:35:14	Two_Dogs	or facebook, i forget
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2021-06-01 09:36:38	oxek	probably
2021-06-01 09:36:56	oxek	they are the only ones who have powerful enough computers to run those electron monstrosities
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2021-06-01 09:39:27	jellyb	asian overlords?
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2021-06-01 09:44:45	triceratux	i like matrix. i wouldnt trust it or use it but its fun to play with & read about https://disroot.org/en/blog/matrix-closure https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2666281721000159
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2021-06-01 09:47:13	Lutin	traefik is a biatch :P
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2021-06-01 09:53:13	Lope	I just wanted to mention, that I resolved my issue by using /dev/disk/by-id/md-name-foo instead of /dev/md/foo
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2021-06-01 09:54:53	Lope	Oops, didn't use freenode when I asked.
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2021-06-01 10:39:09	arash	Hello, I used rm -rf and removed all files and folders in a directory. Is there any way to recover those files and directories ?
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2021-06-01 10:42:53	triceratux	restore at once from your timely & redundant backups
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2021-06-01 10:43:46	jjakob	arash: immediately stop using the filesystem (either unmount it or shut down), then use photorec or a undelete tool designed for your filesystem
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2021-06-01 10:43:51	triceratux	take the disk physically offline, image it, & use photorec or similar
2021-06-01 10:44:07	triceratux	plus what jjakob said ^^
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2021-06-01 10:44:45	jjakob	depends on what file type it is and which filesystem
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2021-06-01 10:47:16	BCMM	arash: is it ext4? see http://extundelete.sourceforge.net/, in particular the section "What to do if you've deleted a file (or multiple files)"
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2021-06-01 11:03:14	deadstar	allo
2021-06-01 11:03:55	deadstar	i have a question and wondering if it may work in theory...
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2021-06-01 11:04:15	oxek	questions may work in theory
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2021-06-01 11:04:56	deadstar	2 single board computers with kernel and boot on microsd card, one of which will run a root file system on an ssd.  the second (in theory) could boot into a chroot on said ssd and change user, to run a console ncruses menu script?
2021-06-01 11:05:09	deadstar	designing a cyber deck, using a raspberry pi and a nvidia jetson nano
2021-06-01 11:06:04	deadstar	or does my original plan to use 2 ports for ssh, between the two in and out
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2021-06-01 11:06:09	deadstar	make the most sense
2021-06-01 11:06:48	deadstar	just trying to keep weight and power consumption down. so running two ssd for each machine ( speeding up the sbc ) would add to both
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2021-06-01 11:12:43	deadstar	im just trying to consider the consequences of two machines using the same root at same time.  how that sinks, what happens during updates etc
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2021-06-01 11:16:06	cybrNaut	sed -ne '/<form/,/<\/form/p' <(curl -s 'https://www.veridiancu.org') | urlscan -n  <= I'm so disappointed this code does not work for extracting URLs from a blob of HTML. The urlview command parses that okay, but urlview is purely interactive.  Whereas urlscan offers stdout, but it's fussy about getting complete html. Is there a simple workaround?  I tried wrapping the blob in <html> tags to fool urlscan
2021-06-01 11:16:12	cybrNaut	and it didn't work
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2021-06-01 11:32:22	akk	cybrNaut: Try this: curl -s 'https://www.veridiancu.org' |  python -c 'from bs4 import BeautifulSoup; import sys; print(BeautifulSoup(sys.stdin.read()).form)'
2021-06-01 11:33:11	akk	For some reason it's not working for me with the <() syntax, but it's working with |. (I don't have urlscan so I didn't try that part.)
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2021-06-01 11:33:28	akk	Of course it requires that you have beautifulsoup installed.
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2021-06-01 11:56:35	cybrNaut	akk: thanks for the tip!  yes indeed that works when I feed it into urlscan
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2021-06-01 11:57:46	cybrNaut	i've been resisting learning python, but perhaps BeautifulSoup is rationale enough to learn it since i heard that's the best html parser
2021-06-01 11:58:41	akk	BeautifulSoup is great, I use it a lot.
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2021-06-01 12:09:10	cybrNaut	i just tried it on ~6 or so banks, and it worked on 2 of them.  i would expect more banks to have a login form on their landing page.
2021-06-01 12:09:28	 *	cybrNaut inreases sample size
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2021-06-01 12:11:20	slee	hi, anyone else having issues with the latest libmysqlclient update? mine now states it's conflicting with libmariadbclient and after i update libmysqlclient, pamac keeps stating to install it
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2021-06-01 12:14:48	cybrNaut	akk: does that code just grab the 1st form on the page?  some sites have a search form and a login form
2021-06-01 12:15:11	cybrNaut	e.g. https://www.profinancefcu.com/
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2021-06-01 12:15:49	akk	cybrNaut: Yes, it just grabs the first form. You can loop over all forms with code like for form in soup.findAll('form'): print(form)
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2021-06-01 12:20:14	cybrNaut	this gives "SyntaxError: invalid syntax"  => python -c "from bs4 import BeautifulSoup; import sys; for form in soup.findAll('form'):print(form)"
2021-06-01 12:21:05	cybrNaut	i also tried: python -c "from bs4 import BeautifulSoup; import sys; for form in soup.findAll('form'):print(BeautifulSoup(sys.stdin.read()).form)"
2021-06-01 12:21:38	akk	yes, I'm getting that syntax error too and I haven't figured out why yet.
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2021-06-01 12:21:53	akk	I hardly ever use python from the command line like this, I just write a python script.
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2021-06-01 12:22:56	akk	The same syntax works fine if I run the python interpreter and type the lines in one by one.
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2021-06-01 12:23:20	cybrNaut	i know python is fussy about whitespace, so i guess CLI execution makes it hard
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2021-06-01 12:24:06	akk	yes, semicolons can do a little but at a certain level of complexity it becomes unclear how to specify things all in one line.
2021-06-01 12:24:21	akk	I wouldn't have thought a simple for loop would cause a problem, though.
2021-06-01 12:24:44	cybrNaut	maybe in need a newline?  in bash a newline is $'\n' and tab is $'\t'
2021-06-01 12:25:16	akk	cybrNaut: yes, here's someone having the same problem and solving it with \n: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2043453/executing-multi-line-statements-in-the-one-line-command-line
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2021-06-01 12:26:05	nuclear0xygen	however consider creating a python script so you don't have to deal with it again
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2021-06-01 12:27:23	akk	yes, it'll also be easier to read and maintain if it's a python script.
2021-06-01 12:27:23	cybrNaut	it needs to run inside of a Tcl script
2021-06-01 12:27:59	cybrNaut	would you mind pastebining what you got working?
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2021-06-01 12:29:16	akk	cybrNaut: Can you use the python - <<EOF syntax in that url I pasted? That might be cleanest, but I don't know if it works with tcl.
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2021-06-01 12:30:39	akk	cybrNaut: That said, this does work for me: ...  |  python -c $'from bs4 import BeautifulSoup\nimport sys\nfor f in BeautifulSoup(sys.stdin.read()).findAll("form"):\n  print(f)\n'
2021-06-01 12:32:27	cybrNaut	thanks!  indeed that works.  I can work out the Tcl insertion from there
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2021-06-01 12:44:48	danisanti	I am working with different numberical systems (besides the decimal system) and I want an easy to program language for this type of work. I supose that a programming language that is symbolic may be the best. Which programming language do you recommend for programming using different numerical systems?
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2021-06-01 12:45:39	Dresden	danisanti: anything with classes?
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2021-06-01 12:46:50	danisanti	classes are ok
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2021-06-01 12:46:58	danisanti	sorry for the off-topic here
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2021-06-01 12:47:40	danisanti	does someone recommend a language (for this) or a channel for me to ask this question?
2021-06-01 12:47:41	cybrNaut	gnu octave might be worth a look
2021-06-01 12:48:12	danisanti	what is gnu octave and how it might help?
2021-06-01 12:48:16	danisanti	cybrNaut:
2021-06-01 12:48:34	cybrNaut	it's the free s/w version of MATLab
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2021-06-01 12:48:57	cybrNaut	so it should have a rich library of math functions
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2021-06-01 12:49:22	danisanti	cybrNaut: probably all derive from the decimal system. I am taking a look
2021-06-01 12:49:24	akk	Of course, if the other systems are octal or hex any programming language can do that.
2021-06-01 12:49:39	cybrNaut	gnu octave's language is similar to matlab i believe
2021-06-01 12:50:00	Dresden	Hey jim
2021-06-01 12:50:08	Dresden	Wrong ##perl
2021-06-01 12:50:13	TomyWork	danisanti, the decimal system isn't really something important. it's just representation. the maths are all the same in the background
2021-06-01 12:51:26	TomyWork	if you just want to convert between bases, use a calculator or your favorite programming language's facilities
2021-06-01 12:51:36	Dresden	Objects :)
2021-06-01 12:51:54	altwulf	danisanti: if "numerical systems" weren't a factor, what language would you have preferred to use?
2021-06-01 12:51:58	TomyWork	Dresden, neither classes nor objects have anything to do with any of this
2021-06-01 12:52:07	Dresden	TomyWork: it'd be much easier to represent stuff
2021-06-01 12:52:10	TomyWork	no
2021-06-01 12:52:12	TomyWork	not even that
2021-06-01 12:52:17	Dresden	Nice method called "toInteger"
2021-06-01 12:52:25	TomyWork	integer is not a numerical system
2021-06-01 12:52:30	Dresden	You could abstract away roman numerals
2021-06-01 12:52:35	TomyWork	no
2021-06-01 12:52:48	TomyWork	that's also just a representation and has no business being an object
2021-06-01 12:52:53	Dresden	TomyWork: I assure you man, yes, but also he said numbers, not algebraic numbers, which is deep theory of computation stuff
2021-06-01 12:53:14	Dresden	So you build rationals using Euclidean algorithm, job done
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2021-06-01 12:53:25	TomyWork	danisanti, by numerical systems, you mean dec/hex/oct, right?
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2021-06-01 12:53:56	altwulf	I think the guy just wants to add 10 + 0x11 + 0b111 + 075 together. No need to get fancy.
2021-06-01 12:54:04	TomyWork	yeah
2021-06-01 12:54:12	Dresden	Objects are fancy now?
2021-06-01 12:54:22	TomyWork	in this case, yes
2021-06-01 12:54:24	Dresden	Man someone doesn't like python
2021-06-01 12:54:26	altwulf	They're excessive when they're simply not needed.
2021-06-01 12:54:48	Dresden	altwulf: am I thinking wrong again? I put no stock in what you say, I'd work on rebuilding that unless you're talking to everyone
2021-06-01 12:54:56	Dresden	TomyWork: I disagree, he said number systems, not bases
2021-06-01 12:55:09	Dresden	But if he is and just wants to convert, then use an integer object :)
2021-06-01 12:55:17	TomyWork	Dresden, he also said "besides the decimal system"
2021-06-01 12:55:20	Dresden	With its add methods and multiply
2021-06-01 12:55:20	danisanti	TomyWork: yes
2021-06-01 12:55:25	TomyWork	Dresden, see
2021-06-01 12:55:33	Dresden	TomyWork: maybe some C++ and operator overloading :)
2021-06-01 12:55:37	altwulf	danisanti: what's your favourite programming language?
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2021-06-01 12:56:17	TomyWork	danisanti, ok, in that case, it's safe to ignore everything Dresden was suggesting. he was thinking more of higher-level maths concepts
2021-06-01 12:56:28	Dresden	TomyWork: no, don't do that!
2021-06-01 12:56:28	danisanti	altwulf: classes and imperative
2021-06-01 12:56:33	Dresden	If you ignore what I said, people will die
2021-06-01 12:56:37	Dresden	Yes of course it's safe
2021-06-01 12:56:54	altwulf	danisanti: I was looking more for proper nouns and not labels.
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2021-06-01 12:58:14	danisanti	altwulf: I need fancy because I am using numeral systems that I never heard about
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2021-06-01 12:58:52	altwulf	danisanti: such as?
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2021-06-01 12:59:29	altwulf	I mean, even ancient clunkers like BASIC can work with different numbering bases.
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2021-06-01 12:59:55	danisanti	let me put more info out
2021-06-01 13:00:06	TomyWork	like sesquivigintal numbers
2021-06-01 13:00:55	danisanti	as far as I know, no language has been able to remove the zero from it's digit symbols, so anything near to that might me in the right direction
2021-06-01 13:00:56	altwulf	TomyWork: what is that? Google doesn't find it.
2021-06-01 13:01:03	Dresden	danisanti: Roman numerals
2021-06-01 13:01:27	TomyWork	altwulf, that's base 30
2021-06-01 13:01:28	altwulf	danisanti: of course not. Most numbering systems in common use are positional.
2021-06-01 13:01:42	TomyWork	i made it up. it's probably ungrammatical
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2021-06-01 13:02:20	TomyWork	danisanti, historically, languages *added* a zero
2021-06-01 13:02:40	altwulf	Human languages, that is. Computer languages have always had them.
2021-06-01 13:02:43	TomyWork	the ancient greeks didn't believe zero made sense
2021-06-01 13:03:14	danisanti	altwulf: a symbolic programming language. what is it?
2021-06-01 13:03:23	altwulf	Yeah, not having a zero made for some really complicated way of representing quantity.
2021-06-01 13:03:42	danisanti	TomyWork: I am an ancient greek then ;P
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2021-06-01 13:03:57	TomyWork	altwulf, yeah like needing a new symbol every time you multiply by 10
2021-06-01 13:04:05	danisanti	altwulf: it is not complicated at all
2021-06-01 13:04:05	TomyWork	I X C M
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2021-06-01 13:04:14	altwulf	Erg. How do you explain the concept of "symbolic" to somebody with limited coding experience?
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2021-06-01 13:04:32	TomyWork	or to somebody with good coding experience?
2021-06-01 13:04:48	TomyWork	cause i have no idea what he means by that either
2021-06-01 13:05:06	altwulf	TomyWork: first thought to cross my mind was "symbolic macroassembler".
2021-06-01 13:06:03	altwulf	C, for example, is often described as a "deluxe symbolic macroassembler with no assembly required".
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2021-06-01 13:06:19	danisanti	I have read that there are symbolic programming language. I am assuming is a language where you can mess with symbols. A numerical digit is a symbol (whe all know that)
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2021-06-01 13:07:03	altwulf	Yeah, but it's really a different kind of symbol than what's meant by the term "symbolic" when describing a programming language.
2021-06-01 13:07:29	TomyWork	danisanti, oh, you're looking for a computer algebra system
2021-06-01 13:07:29	altwulf	I don't think I have the time or the clarity to express it.
2021-06-01 13:07:55	altwulf	Maybe. I think we're working with fuzzy impression here.
2021-06-01 13:08:11	TomyWork	or maaaaybe a functional programming language
2021-06-01 13:08:29	danisanti	yes, symbolic prog lang is a fuzzy thing I read somewhere
2021-06-01 13:08:54	TomyWork	probably keep reading until the fuzz disappears
2021-06-01 13:08:59	danisanti	TomyWork: like haskell?
2021-06-01 13:09:10	TomyWork	maybe
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2021-06-01 13:09:16	TomyWork	I haven't used that particular one
2021-06-01 13:09:25	altwulf	Or better yet, just get your hands dirty writing some code and trying to figure out how to make it work.
2021-06-01 13:09:34	danisanti	it was on wikipedia with no examples of such language and know hrefs
2021-06-01 13:09:46	danisanti	*and no hrefs
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2021-06-01 13:11:35	danisanti	I already have done it in C, but it is inefficient because I use too much converting to string and to int again (in a loop). I was considering if a "symbolic programming language" was appropriate for this use case
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2021-06-01 13:14:07	altwulf	Under the hood, just about any language is going to do a lot of converting.
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2021-06-01 13:15:31	danisanti	altwulf: ok 🙂
2021-06-01 13:15:33	altwulf	The quantities themselves don't change. What changes is how they're represented.
2021-06-01 13:16:31	altwulf	This is usually only a "thing" when it comes to converting user input or in how they'll be printed.
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2021-06-01 13:16:58	danisanti	ok
2021-06-01 13:17:04	danisanti	thank you
2021-06-01 13:18:22	danisanti	if there is interest, I can share my repo with you guys
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2021-06-01 13:20:06	TomyWork	I just found an interesting phenomenon: I have some external, unspecified nfs volume with 20k files in one particular directory `ls -alh /path/to/directory/` is about 5 times faster than `ls -alh /path/to/directory/*`. According to strace -T, the same lstat syscalls are made, but the order is different. this slows them down by a factor of about 70.
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2021-06-01 13:21:10	koala_man	TomyWork: this happens because expanding globs is the shell's job
2021-06-01 13:21:41	TomyWork	koala_man, `echo /path/to/directory/*` took about as long as `ls -alh /path/to/directory/`
2021-06-01 13:22:02	TomyWork	so that explains only 1/4 of the difference
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2021-06-01 13:23:30	koala_man	TomyWork: is the output the same? ls /../* will recurse one additional level of directories
2021-06-01 13:23:40	TomyWork	there are no subdirs
2021-06-01 13:24:41	yanmaani	how's the libera migration going?
2021-06-01 13:24:46	yanmaani	>at least for a while
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2021-06-01 13:26:42	TomyWork	koala_man `printf '%s\n' /path/to/directory/* | sort -c` has no output, which confirms that the order of glob arguments is sorted alphabetically
2021-06-01 13:27:22	TomyWork	as opposed to in directory order
2021-06-01 13:27:25	koala_man	globs sort according to the current locale, yes
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2021-06-01 13:30:16	katp32	hi, awful question, what's the most foolproof way of getting a process to cause a kernel error message that contains a string I want to go into the kernel log?
2021-06-01 13:30:58	katp32	crashing the system *is* an option, everything runs as root, I literally just want to make contact with userland
2021-06-01 13:31:17	TomyWork	katp32, :thinking:
2021-06-01 13:31:50	katp32	(still can't get regular console output over serial, only kernel output ;-;)
2021-06-01 13:32:53	katp32	so far I have determined that running a binary file causes an `uninitialized urandom read` error within the first ~50 seconds of the system booting, containing the process name, which is something I guess
2021-06-01 13:34:02	TomyWork	can't you just write a log file?
2021-06-01 13:34:15	katp32	no persistent storage
2021-06-01 13:34:52	katp32	I mean, not unless I wanted to try mounting and writing to a USB drive with no contact to userspace at least :P
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2021-06-01 13:35:47	TomyWork	why can't you mount that usb drive?
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2021-06-01 13:36:37	katp32	in theory I could, the issue is just that I'd be doing it completely blind, so I have no way of getting error messages, or even knowing- ooop, nevermind, /dev/kmsg works!
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2021-06-01 13:37:21	TomyWork	i thought you had kernel output. why do you not get error messages?
2021-06-01 13:37:40	TomyWork	mount errors should show up there
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2021-06-01 13:37:47	katp32	ah, yeah, I suppose so
2021-06-01 13:38:04	katp32	probably would've been a good idea; but, fortunately /dev/kmsg seems to work great
2021-06-01 13:38:10	katp32	this only took all of yesterday >.<
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2021-06-01 13:41:58	TomyWork	koala_man, I was wrong about the order being the decisive factor. `ls -f | while read line; do stat "$line"; done` is also slow... even slower
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2021-06-01 13:44:30	koala_man	TomyWork: this is inherently slow though
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2021-06-01 13:45:59	jjakob	http://mywiki.wooledge.org/ParsingLs
2021-06-01 13:46:05	jjakob	you should not parse ls
2021-06-01 13:46:23	jjakob	use find -execdir
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2021-06-01 13:46:48	koala_man	jjakob: this is about NFS performance
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2021-06-01 13:47:25	jjakob	right, but anyway, parsing that is not safe
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2021-06-01 13:48:42	koala_man	that refers to a different kind of safety
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2021-06-01 13:52:45	TomyWork	jjakob, I am fully aware, but bash offers no way of listing files in directory order
2021-06-01 13:53:06	TomyWork	so my testing will have to be done by parsing ls
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2021-06-01 13:58:48	TomyWork	ok this makes even less sense... `time { ls;ls *; } > /dev/null` takes 25 times longer than `time { ls -l;ls *; } > /dev/null`
2021-06-01 13:59:10	TomyWork	ls does not stat, while ls -l stats all the files in order, priming the cache, i guess?
2021-06-01 13:59:22	koala_man	can you cache NFS?
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2021-06-01 14:00:05	TomyWork	there's a 3-second attribute cache by default, according to the manpage
2021-06-01 14:00:11	TomyWork	ac/noac
2021-06-01 14:00:15	TomyWork	defaults to on
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2021-06-01 14:04:33	TomyWork	ok, so what if i just run ls -l every second, will that speed up the other operation? :D
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2021-06-01 14:05:01	koala_man	what's the total time difference?
2021-06-01 14:05:16	TomyWork	1.2 vs. 29 seconds
2021-06-01 14:05:50	koala_man	I mean of the original test case
2021-06-01 14:06:09	TomyWork	about the same
2021-06-01 14:06:16	TomyWork	like 4 vs. 32
2021-06-01 14:06:50	koala_man	so "about 5 times" = 8?
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2021-06-01 14:07:28	TomyWork	yeah
2021-06-01 14:07:33	TomyWork	:D
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2021-06-01 14:11:17	TomyWork	this solution, if it works, would be "running strace to fix a race condition" levels of bad
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2021-06-01 14:16:51	TomyWork	fortunately, it doesn't
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2021-06-01 14:44:18	Linkandzelda	finally got my dream of having a cloud terminal available in any web browser
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2021-06-01 14:46:11	koala_man	Linkandzelda: huh I had that 20 years ago
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2021-06-01 14:46:21	Linkandzelda	koala_man: how did you do it?
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2021-06-01 14:46:47	koala_man	ssh applet that tunneled over port 80 to avoid firewalls
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2021-06-01 14:47:42	Linkandzelda	i guess that works too
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2021-06-01 14:48:51	Linkandzelda	what i did is put a unified screen session in the browser, so when i go back it connects to the same session. though its only protected with http basic auth and i wonder if thats enough
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2021-06-01 14:50:04	koala_man	I stopped using mine because mobile took off and I no longer use anyone else's computer
2021-06-01 14:50:37	coldenbrewed	trying to set up wireguard port forwarding, but am stuck at smth in the article here: https://www.procustodibus.com/blog/2021/04/wireguard-point-to-site-port-forwarding/ They say I have to fill in "The second PreUp setting configures iptables to forward packets sent to port 80 on Host β’s LAN address (192.168.200.2) over to port 80 on Endpoint A (10.0.0.1)." but I am not sure what the LAN B's address should be. My local ip?
2021-06-01 14:50:37	coldenbrewed	Or my public IP address?
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2021-06-01 14:51:09	koala_man	if I still did, I would definitely have added 2FA
2021-06-01 14:51:13	Linkandzelda	i have an arch chroot on my phone with my environment, but it sucks typing anything serious on touch. probably right though, i dont often use anyone elses
2021-06-01 14:51:48	Linkandzelda	i did this to get access to my sensitive data on windows PCs where i dont put any sensitive data
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2021-06-01 14:52:12	koala_man	yeah it might be nice for computers you trust but just don't want to set up
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2021-06-01 14:56:15	coldenbrewed	is IP tables really that hard to understand
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2021-06-01 15:02:24	Linkandzelda	coldenbrewed: might be unpopular, but if you have ufw its a simpler way to understand at first the basic concepts of firewalls. and i'd say iptables is very complex but most things you can google. if you have the ability to look at a command of someone else's example and then figure out how to use it for yours, then no its not that complex
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2021-06-01 15:03:04	coldenbrewed	Linkandzelda, thank you for the type out, but that was more like just me trying ot raise attention for mt actual question, which ip address should i be using?
2021-06-01 15:03:06	coldenbrewed	do you know?
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2021-06-01 15:06:08	Linkandzelda	coldenbrewed: im not sure, i setup all my VM and VPN stuff differently
2021-06-01 15:06:16	coldenbrewed	I see
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2021-06-01 15:08:00	Linkandzelda	i have my router configured to dmz to a proxmox box in my home, which has VMs all sharing the host's network. in there is openVPN and an nginx router. ip tables and socat forwards any public port to any of those VMs that i choose. i usually go with port 10122 for VM id 101, port 22, just for simplest sake
2021-06-01 15:08:50	Linkandzelda	i also just spin up socat for any port to any local IP too, if i need it
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2021-06-01 15:09:22	QOJaa	I want thumbnails in a GUI program of mine. Should I make tumbler and others as a dependency and I'm good to go?
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2021-06-01 15:10:28	Dresden	...lol
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2021-06-01 15:12:02	Linkandzelda	QOJaa: i think a bit more work is needed...
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2021-06-01 15:13:36	QOJaa	Such as?
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2021-06-01 15:14:19	Linkandzelda	is it your code?
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2021-06-01 15:15:08	QOJaa	Yes it's my code. I just simply wish to thumbnails to it. Using Qt or switching to C++ simply isn't an option also.
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2021-06-01 15:16:02	swensson	Weird question maybe. But is there any way that I can gain "closer" connection to the stock marger via any interface?.... Using google now since my own provider is 15min delay
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2021-06-01 15:17:05	Linkandzelda	QOJaa: no idea what its coded in, and i dont work with GUIs, but arent thumbnails just small images?
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2021-06-01 15:18:13	Dresden	I don't get how you got "thumbnails" and went in this direction
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2021-06-01 15:19:44	Linkandzelda	Dresden: me, i guess i mis understood or have no idea what he wants hehe
2021-06-01 15:20:24	Dresden	Hilarious
2021-06-01 15:20:35	QOJaa	I'm using GTK. I just want to implement thumbnails and I'm willing to implement it myself. I only asked if all I have to do is just properly use tumbler or some other program to generate the thumbnails instead.
2021-06-01 15:20:43	Dresden	That makes it worse
2021-06-01 15:21:07	QOJaa	What else is there to make a GUI for C code then?
2021-06-01 15:22:44	Dresden	wxWidgets
2021-06-01 15:23:02	QOJaa	WxWidgets uses GTK on linux
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2021-06-01 15:23:54	Dresden	...yeah it also abstracts this shit can can make thumbnails easily
2021-06-01 15:24:05	Dresden	Event tables.... ah well
2021-06-01 15:24:25	Linkandzelda	Dresden: was he talking about images or something else?
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2021-06-01 15:28:27	 *	Dresden shrugs
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2021-06-01 15:31:40	jim	well thre are a lot of choices to make a gui in C, wxwidgets is a pretty good choice, because it's organized into a framework
2021-06-01 15:32:36	jim	if you really want, you can also use (things like) gtk directly, and, that's gonna be fairly detailed and tedious
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2021-06-01 15:34:43	jim	frameworks have buttons, but if you use gtk or X calls directly, you'd be drawing a button and arranging for something to respond to button presses (really, mouse clicks on that region of the screen)
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2021-06-01 15:38:05	jim	and, you'll be directly responsible for the behavior of the button, for example, if you get a mouse click on the button region, you might repaint the button in a different color, then sit in a loop waiting for either the mouse to leave the region (in which case the mouse doesn't click), or the mouse button to be released (in which case you tell the app the button was clicked)
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2021-06-01 15:39:05	jim	all of that is pretty detailed, and I guess you'd only do it if you want very special effects to go on while the button is being clicked...
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2021-06-01 15:39:32	jim	if you don't need all that, again, wxwindows is pretty good
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2021-06-01 15:40:14	RayTracer	jim: I'm unsure who you're writing to.. if it was QOJaa, he already left
2021-06-01 15:40:29	jim	oh ok, sheesh.
2021-06-01 15:41:11	jim	so he got good info anyway, he didn't need all those details
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2021-06-01 15:42:35	RayTracer	like, someone who actually understood what he was asking for ;)
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2021-06-01 16:13:38	bagira	well this is odd.  this http server is screamin' fast but the yum repo on it is so slow it's unusable.
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2021-06-01 16:14:32	corto	hi, is there a good equivalent to ext4 that supports compression (for space constrained systems) which is a good candidate for use as rootfs ?
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2021-06-01 16:15:55	RayTracer	bagira: maybe the yum repo is on a slower disk
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2021-06-01 16:17:08	RayTracer	corto: I think btrfs can do compression, and some distros trust btrfs so far that they make it the default filesystem for /. However, I can't say it's a good equivalent from the few times I tried it
2021-06-01 16:17:38	corto	RayTracer, I'll look into it thanks!
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2021-06-01 16:18:45	bagira	RayTracer, nope i pulled the package down with a wget and installed that to meet a deadline, but i really have to see what's throttling yum there, i though yum was just downloading repodata.xml and then pulling the package, but, it apparently is doing more somewhere that's choking the connection out
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2021-06-01 16:22:13	RayTracer	bagira: I'm not sure for yum, but dnf does things like deltarpm and zchunk downloads that might go odd for you. I have deltarpm=false and zchunk=false in /etc/dnf/dnf.conf (deltarpm because I don't need it in the LAN, and zchunk as a workaround for a bug)
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2021-06-01 16:27:08	oxek	RayTracer: what were your issues with btrfs? I'm evaluating it for further use on more devices.
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2021-06-01 16:27:25	oxek	of course assuming a modern kernel with all the fixes is in use
2021-06-01 16:28:44	danieldg	the only problems with btrfs I've noticed is that programs that fsync() like crazy are slow
2021-06-01 16:29:06	bitlan	hello, i have issue - storage encrypted by luks2, and i forgo password. I found solution like cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/sdXX --master-key-file <(dmsetup table  --showkeys|grep luks|cut -d\  -f 6|xxd -r -p) - but is not working. https://pastebin.com/BaVa2S0j
2021-06-01 16:29:15	danieldg	you can claim it's a bug in those programs but that doesn't make them go any faster :)
2021-06-01 16:29:30	bitlan	any ideas how to restore/reset password? now luks is opened
2021-06-01 16:29:32	RayTracer	oxek: most issues were around its cow, like filling up the filesystem in surprising speed, and not having appropriate cleanup commands in muscle memory so it was faster to reinstall it with xfs
2021-06-01 16:29:49	oxek	well that's a solution too :D
2021-06-01 16:30:14	danieldg	if you actually use cow on xfs you can run into the same issue
2021-06-01 16:30:28	jim	bagira, (as you may know), in a packaging system, you need to make sure to install the correct package; in a pkging system with depends, remember that when you install a package, it brings its dependency subtree with it
2021-06-01 16:30:30	RayTracer	oxek: and it probably was at a time that you wouldn't qualify as modern kernel, like within the first two releases of SLES where they made it the default root fs
2021-06-01 16:30:53	oxek	yeah it's been a while since then
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2021-06-01 16:34:38	Masterphi	Any decent wifi6 pcie cards for arch?
2021-06-01 16:34:45	RayTracer	bitlan: if you are able to get the outlined solution working, you can set a password on another keyslot (or the same)
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2021-06-01 16:36:57	bitlan	RayTracer: it's not working, dmsetup table  --showkeys|grep luks  - its returne empty value...  dmsetup table  --showkeys, returns only
2021-06-01 16:37:00	bitlan	sdb_enc: 0 93767795888 crypt aes-xts-plain64 :32:logon:cryptsetup:81ffde72-6c6c-4b3f-a82c-5b752dfe6739-d0 0 8:16 32768
2021-06-01 16:37:06	bagira	RayTracer, thanks i found the problem.  Can't tell you what it is but I'm throwing pottery at my network engineer.
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2021-06-01 16:40:44	RayTracer	bitlan: maybe try it without the "grep luks" and grep for sdb_enc (or alike) to get the one line (needless if there is only one line). The important part seems to cut and reformat the shown key from that
2021-06-01 16:41:49	RayTracer	bitlan: however, the line you pasted seems to not contain the key (or you have omitted it, which seems wise for public pasting)
2021-06-01 16:42:38	bitlan	RayTracer: without grep,  returns only that what i pasted
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2021-06-01 16:42:57	bitlan	dmsetup table  --showkeys ----> return: sdb_enc: 0 93767795888 crypt aes-xts-plain64 :32:logon:cryptsetup:81ffde72-6c6c-4b3f-a82c-5b752dfe6739-d0 0 8:16 32768
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2021-06-01 16:44:57	RayTracer	bitlan: I don't have luks2 devices, only luks1 so I can't compare, maybe they changed the output for luks2
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2021-06-01 16:48:45	bitlan	RayTracer: ... I found in google.... "This master key used to be retrievable from the kernel's device mapper using dmsetup table --showkeys with LUKS1, but is no more available with LUKS2 running on kernel >= 4.10 (unless opened with --disable-keyring"
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2021-06-01 16:49:49	bitlan	https://superuser.com/questions/1587028/add-new-luks-passphrase-or-key-using-existing-keyfile-for-luks2-encrypted-partit
2021-06-01 16:50:01	bitlan	so... i need to backup 17TB data..
2021-06-01 16:50:19	signalblue	17TB on HDDs?
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2021-06-01 16:50:36	RayTracer	you should have the backup already! :)
2021-06-01 16:50:37	signalblue	in that case expect that to take a LONG time
2021-06-01 16:51:33	bitlan	/dev/mapper/sdb_enc   44T   17T   26T  40% /mnt/backup_enc
2021-06-01 16:51:45	bitlan	it's a backup a VoD servers ;)
2021-06-01 16:52:05	bitlan	but i don't have space where i can move it...
2021-06-01 16:52:20	RayTracer	bitlan: well, if we know that the volume key is in a kernel keyring, maybe we can figure out on how to get it from there?
2021-06-01 16:52:24	signalblue	voD?
2021-06-01 16:52:30	RayTracer	video on demand?
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2021-06-01 16:52:43	bitlan	video on demand
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2021-06-01 16:52:56	signalblue	oh
2021-06-01 16:53:02	signalblue	plex or something?
2021-06-01 16:53:33	bitlan	self hosted platrofm, based on Wowza and Nginx as "cdn" ;)
2021-06-01 16:53:50	signalblue	oh ok
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2021-06-01 16:59:26	Evidlo	is it the responsibility of the login manager to source ~/.profile?
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2021-06-01 17:01:05	danieldg	Evidlo: nobody is required to do that
2021-06-01 17:01:22	RayTracer	Evidlo: I'd say it's the shell's task, and the login manager's task is to call eg. bash -l
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2021-06-01 17:02:16	Evidlo	I even have 'source ~/.profile` in .xsessionrc, but PATH is still not being set for my window manager and dmenu
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2021-06-01 17:07:18	bitlan	RayTracer: https://gitlab.com/cryptsetup/cryptsetup/-/blob/v2.3.4/docs/Keyring.txt look that
2021-06-01 17:08:33	RayTracer	bitlan: I'm not very used to kernel keyrings, but from what I read up to now, you might be able to keyctl read/pipe/list the key that dmsetup printed out for the luks2 volume
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2021-06-01 17:11:47	RayTracer	bitlan: it seems that you maybe can just add another passphrase, if you find out how to tell cryptsetup to use the existing keyring. I don't know if that is possible, though.
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2021-06-01 17:18:08	RayTracer	bitlan: ok, the part "and can't be read from userspace afterward" suggests it is not..
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2021-06-01 17:21:14	RayTracer	I wonder if a kernel module already exists to extract data from them
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2021-06-01 17:25:23	bitlan	RayTracer: it's no working... :( so.. i have luks directly on /dev/sdb without partition.... i not have a place where i can move data
2021-06-01 17:25:56	bitlan	i thkik about force create partition on disk - with mounted luks
2021-06-01 17:26:19	bitlan	but far a way from luks for example upper than first 20TB
2021-06-01 17:27:27	RayTracer	it's all a bit risky without a backup..
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2021-06-01 17:31:30	RayTracer	I think the luks2 header doesn't really start at the beginning, so it might be not too much impacted by creation of a partition table. However, I'd probably try without a partition, and just an offset
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2021-06-01 17:35:34	RayTracer	Unfortunately, I didn't do such before, and can't give you hints on how to accomplish; I don't even know if it just works with some option to cryptsetup create, or if you'd need some dmsetup or other trickery to access the disk on that offset
2021-06-01 17:36:21	RayTracer	s/dmsetup/losetup/
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2021-06-01 17:38:30	bitlan	RayTracer: thanks for hints - i try different way ;)
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2021-06-01 17:38:46	bitlan	backup machine is a proxmox VM..
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2021-06-01 17:39:20	bitlan	we need move server to different bulding, so maybe i try "hibernate" backup vm
2021-06-01 17:39:31	bitlan	VM - virtual machine
2021-06-01 17:39:33	RayTracer	heh
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2021-06-01 18:28:09	Linkandzelda	might be the wrong channel but does anyone know of backup software that backs up and restores windows machines with support for linux as the store?
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2021-06-01 18:33:16	ayecee	can the window machine back up to a samba fileshare?
2021-06-01 18:33:29	wigums	whats a store?
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2021-06-01 18:35:43	Linkandzelda	i just meant store as in a linux storage device. server/repo/location/whatever
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2021-06-01 18:36:23	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: there is amanda, and there is zwc (Zmanda Windows Client); I don't use it so it might be outdated or even unavailable in the meanwhile
2021-06-01 18:36:52	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: thanks, i'll check it out. im looking at veem
2021-06-01 18:36:59	RayTracer	Betsol sucks at working with the community, btw
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2021-06-01 18:49:49	Max0u7	hi somwane reccomend somes rss feeds?
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2021-06-01 19:23:24	IHasFinger	hi guys, i want to set up a cront job which runs every 5 mins of the hour e.g. 00 , 05, 10, 15,20,25,30,35,40,45,50,55
2021-06-01 19:25:12	bobdobbs	Hi. I'm looking for sources of information on how to configure how to start up (or not start up) services at boot on ubuntu 20.04
2021-06-01 19:25:53	bobdobbs	There's lots of web articles on how to start and stop services on ubuntu... but I can't find any on configuring how to start (or not start) services on ubuntu at actual boot-time
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2021-06-01 19:50:21	ramzy	okay this is a weird question..
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2021-06-01 19:51:50	ramzy	there is this android app "Home workout " right , as the name suggests it helps you workout at home , very nice app but it isn't free software
2021-06-01 19:51:51	[Eli]	ramzy:  it's ok, go ahead.
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2021-06-01 19:52:58	ramzy	i want a free software equivelent for either androids or GNU/linux since ill be at home anyway
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2021-06-01 19:54:06	Paranormalcow	I'm not sure if it would work for you, but I think /r/bodyweightfitness has an open soruce app
2021-06-01 19:54:07	ramzy	but having it on mah phone yould be a little nicer tho
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2021-06-01 19:54:36	ramzy	Paranormalcow: 1 sec ill check
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2021-06-01 19:55:31	[Eli]	ramzy: it is indeed a weird question hehe, I'm not sure, I have looked around in the Playstore, but I don't see anything similar that is free.
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2021-06-01 19:55:43	[Eli]	maybe what Paranormalcow suggested is your best bet.
2021-06-01 19:55:59	[Eli]	but if I was you, I would research more and look it up in Google.
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2021-06-01 19:56:16	ramzy	playstore! no i meant free as in libre
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2021-06-01 19:56:32	ramzy	its confusing in english
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2021-06-01 19:56:44	Paranormalcow	ramzy: If I recall it's specifc to their workout plan. It wouldn't be the best thing if you just want something to log your own workouts.
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2021-06-01 19:57:25	ramzy	Paranormalcow: i have 1 that does that
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2021-06-01 19:57:42	ramzy	but im too lazy to transger homeworkout's plan
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2021-06-01 19:58:03	ramzy	an since phones are stupid i cant automate it
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2021-06-01 19:58:44	[Eli]	ramzy: have you tried the Fitbit app? it does a lot of stuff, I'm not sure if it guides you through workouts though.
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2021-06-01 19:59:33	ramzy	[Eli]: its not free software either..
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2021-06-01 20:01:24	[Eli]	ramzy: Are you sure? I believe it's free.
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2021-06-01 20:02:01	ramzy	[Eli]: i mean tte source code...
2021-06-01 20:02:02	[Eli]	Jesus so many people joining and parting gets me dizzy.
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2021-06-01 20:02:24	[Eli]	ramzy: Ohhhhhh IC what you re doing now  ok.
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2021-06-01 20:02:48	oxek	[Eli]: disable the join/part messages then
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2021-06-01 20:03:43	[Eli]	oxek: I was just looking for that on my IRC Client settings lol
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2021-06-01 20:03:51	ramzy	oxek: aaah much better
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2021-06-01 20:04:08	[Eli]	But it I think its global, I don't want to hide it on all channels, I have to look up.
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2021-06-01 20:04:19	ramzy	wtf!
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2021-06-01 20:04:26	oxek	it's just a netsplit, don't worry
2021-06-01 20:04:33	[Eli]	ramzy: netsplit lol
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2021-06-01 20:04:44	[Eli]	and we were just talking about this.
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2021-06-01 20:04:45	[Eli]	lol
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2021-06-01 20:04:53	oxek	also, it's "What The Fuck", not "wtf"
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2021-06-01 20:05:20	[Eli]	oxek: lmao
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2021-06-01 20:05:37	[Eli]	Oh wait, it's laughing my ass off
2021-06-01 20:05:40	[Eli]	lmao
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2021-06-01 20:06:29	ramzy	oxek: wait that's a swear word! i thought it meant '' want the fries?"
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2021-06-01 20:06:53	[Eli]	hehehe
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2021-06-01 20:07:42	ramzy	im 4 i dont know all the swear words yet
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2021-06-01 20:11:28	rascul	i know them all
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2021-06-01 20:11:40	[Eli]	Man, I love this new IRC Client I'm using.
2021-06-01 20:11:53	rascul	i also love your irc client
2021-06-01 20:12:18	[Eli]	Been using HexChat for years, this one has everything HexChat has and 50 times more.
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2021-06-01 20:12:34	oxek	I'm not that big a fan of Konversation
2021-06-01 20:12:35	rascul	must be mirc
2021-06-01 20:12:40	[Eli]	rascul: how do you know, did you /versioned me?
2021-06-01 20:12:55	rascul	i did not, but i could
2021-06-01 20:13:02	rascul	your /version could also be a lie
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2021-06-01 20:13:18	[Eli]	oxek: when I started I didn't like it either, you have to give it some time and play with it, it makes you do wonders.
2021-06-01 20:13:31	[Eli]	rascul: lol I know.
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2021-06-01 20:14:43	[Eli]	https://imgur.com/EfSZw8P
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2021-06-01 20:14:48	[Eli]	Look how cool.
2021-06-01 20:14:53	[Eli]	I have to work on the colors lol
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2021-06-01 20:15:10	[Eli]	You can hide the top menu if you want.
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2021-06-01 20:18:21	[Eli]	rascul: https://thelounge.chat/ that looks very cool too.
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2021-06-01 20:18:39	rascul	wow you versioned me
2021-06-01 20:18:44	rascul	i feel violated somehow
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2021-06-01 20:19:17	[Eli]	rascul: lmao
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2021-06-01 20:20:04	[Eli]	rascul: is that something you install or is it like a web client?
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2021-06-01 20:20:15	rascul	self hosted web client
2021-06-01 20:20:17	--	Hobbyboy|BNC is now known as Hobbyboy
2021-06-01 20:20:18	[Eli]	I mean does it run off the browser?
2021-06-01 20:20:22	rascul	yes
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2021-06-01 20:20:26	[Eli]	Ahhhh IC.
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2021-06-01 20:20:28	[Eli]	Cool.
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2021-06-01 20:20:46	[Eli]	Thanks for the info.
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2021-06-01 20:27:22	warsoul	what happen with channel #ubuntu?
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2021-06-01 20:28:17	[Eli]	warsoul: warsoul they probably moved to Libera.Chat
2021-06-01 20:28:30	[Eli]	Not sure, but most likely.
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2021-06-01 20:28:54	[Eli]	As a matter of fact, they are there lol
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2021-06-01 20:29:22	[Eli]	irc.libera.chat then join #Ubuntu
2021-06-01 20:31:29	warsoul	[08:31:04:pm] * Only users using SSL could join this channel!
2021-06-01 20:31:36	warsoul	thats #debian
2021-06-01 20:31:39	oxek	connect using SSL then
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2021-06-01 20:32:06	oxek	and don't ask about ubuntu in #debian
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2021-06-01 20:32:34	warsoul	oxek thats why im asking in ##linux
2021-06-01 20:32:34	warsoul	lol
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2021-06-01 20:39:32	--	Topic for ##linux is "Infra is officially in place on irc.libera.chat. We're still here, at least for a while. No SMS-speak (like u, ur, etc). Pastebin: <command> | nc termbin.com 9999"
2021-06-01 20:39:32	--	Topic set by jim on Fri, 21 May 2021 10:35:18
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2021-06-01 20:55:59	AnthraciteX	is there a way to change the GUI from Xfce to anything else?
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2021-06-01 21:03:13	ayecee	afraid not. once you've set the gui to xfce, there's no going back.
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2021-06-01 21:16:38	oxek	once you go xfce, you never go back
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2021-06-01 21:22:36	coolvibe	xfce? I must6 have taken a wrong turn at dwm
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2021-06-01 21:22:53	ayecee	indeed
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2021-06-01 21:23:33	rascul	you weren't supposed to turn
2021-06-01 21:23:42	coolvibe	(I'll share a secret, I don't like xfce, I like dwm and qtile a lot better)
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2021-06-01 21:24:05	coolvibe	but at least we all have a choice, right?
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2021-06-01 21:24:12	 *	rascul writes down coolvibe's secret in the secret boot
2021-06-01 21:24:21	rascul	crap i meant to write it in the book
2021-06-01 21:24:29	rascul	i guess that one is screwed up now
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2021-06-01 21:25:01	coolvibe	I'm proud to be on the secret boot
2021-06-01 21:25:08	ayecee	obligatory joke: how do you tell if someone uses dwm? don't have to, they'll tell you
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2021-06-01 21:25:31	coolvibe	no no no, that's arch (which I use too btw)
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2021-06-01 21:25:42	rascul	it's arch and just about anything suckless
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2021-06-01 21:26:21	coolvibe	I played with xmonad for a bit, and I liked it, but that haskell dependency cruft that comes along with it is a real shame
2021-06-01 21:26:33	coolvibe	it was fun messing with Haskell though
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2021-06-01 21:26:39	rascul	at least it's not gentoo users anymore though   https://bugs.gentoo.org/35890
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2021-06-01 21:27:14	coolvibe	I did it all, linux from scratch, gentoo, arch, redhat, slackware, all of it
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2021-06-01 21:27:35	 *	rascul shrugs
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2021-06-01 21:27:45	coolvibe	<-- 25+ years of linux/unix experience, I started with linux in 93 somewhere
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2021-06-01 21:28:04	rascul	i started with linux on saturday
2021-06-01 21:28:06	coolvibe	so disregard my preferences, I am old and weird :)
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2021-06-01 21:28:42	ayecee	i will, but not for those reasons
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2021-06-01 21:29:05	coolvibe	whatever :) I will never proclaim that what works for me will work for someone else
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2021-06-01 21:29:29	coolvibe	in fact, what works for me will probably work only for me
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2021-06-01 21:29:57	rascul	wanna bet?
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2021-06-01 21:30:27	coolvibe	oh you'll probably learn, but you'll probably ask yourself why?!
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2021-06-01 21:31:08	coolvibe	https://git.hackerheaven.org/ekollof/dwm-ekollof <-- my personal build of dwm, have fuin
2021-06-01 21:31:12	coolvibe	fun even
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2021-06-01 21:40:20	rascul	i'm going to not have this fun
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2021-06-01 21:40:38	coolvibe	that's up to you
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2021-06-01 21:48:31	jim	Anaphylaxis, hi, what's the problem with your connection?
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2021-06-01 21:50:19	jim	just understand, you're covering the screen with your joins and quits
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2021-06-01 22:00:54	ivan_wagner	how is hidpi support these days on Des based on gtk3? I have a 14" qhd+ laptop and I'm thinking about a switch from KDE to something "less featured". Last time I tried xfce, mate icons were blurred and there were problem with ui scaling in apps.
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2021-06-01 22:01:50	[R]	ivan_wagner: well, boot a livecd and see
2021-06-01 22:03:17	ivan_wagner	that's what I am about to do. I hoped I might find immediate help here
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2021-06-01 22:05:25	chrisawi	ivan_wagner: gtk3 can do integer scaling
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2021-06-01 22:06:44	chrisawi	apparently qhd+ is 3200x1800, so you can easily get the equivalent to 1600x900 with 2x scaling
2021-06-01 22:08:35	ivan_wagner	I know, however the only gtk based de that works as expected is Gnome. The rest had flaws that I mentioned
2021-06-01 22:09:42	ivan_wagner	chrisawi, I even tried the manual config of X server which helped but the scaled ui was not as crispy as on windows, plasma, gnome..
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2021-06-01 23:17:31	coldenbrewed	if someone here won't mind taling a look at it: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/652403/forwarding-the-local-service-ports-through-wireguard-and-back-for-the-local-serv
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2021-06-01 23:17:45	coldenbrewed	Sorry I have to go right now, will get back at any pings the morrow
2021-06-01 23:18:27	ayecee	coldenbrewed: come back when you're ready to talk about it instead of dumping links.
2021-06-01 23:18:36	coldenbrewed	srry bout that
2021-06-01 23:18:39	coldenbrewed	kinda am here
2021-06-01 23:18:43	coldenbrewed	just might be gone any moment
2021-06-01 23:19:01	coldenbrewed	so excuse me if I just drop out at some point
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2021-06-01 23:19:10	ayecee	it's like you already have
2021-06-01 23:19:32	coldenbrewed	nah I am still here
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2021-06-01 23:19:37	ayecee	when you're ready to talk through the problem, talk through the problem.
2021-06-01 23:19:44	coldenbrewed	Aight
2021-06-01 23:20:20	coldenbrewed	but if someone here can take a look and answer on stack
2021-06-01 23:20:24	coldenbrewed	is much clearer that way too
2021-06-01 23:20:29	ayecee	it isn't
2021-06-01 23:20:45	coldenbrewed	unless you need more info always glad to provide!
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2021-06-02 00:50:20	SureSumbat	-bash: cd: eggdrop-1.9.0: No such file or directory went ever i instal eggdrop into debain9
2021-06-02 00:50:24	SureSumbat	why its hapoen
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2021-06-02 00:54:15	[R]	SureSumbat: what have you done so far
2021-06-02 00:54:24	[R]	what are you doing that gets you that error
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2021-06-02 00:59:08	SureSumbat	help
2021-06-02 00:59:22	SureSumbat	-bash: cd: eggdrop-1.9.0: No such file or directory on my debain
2021-06-02 00:59:26	[R]	ROFL
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2021-06-02 01:04:02	SureSumbat	#eggdrop Cannot send to nick/channel
2021-06-02 01:04:06	SureSumbat	its show llike this
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2021-06-02 01:11:42	rindolf	SureSumbat: https://github.com/shlomif/how-to-share-code-online
2021-06-02 01:12:01	rindolf	SureSumbat: read the whole thing
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2021-06-02 02:24:47	Aryan	Hi
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2021-06-02 02:25:36	Aryan	doesn't vagrant have a main configuration file that get read before every Vagrantfile?
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2021-06-02 02:26:12	Aryan	I mean I want to disable box_version_check globally.
2021-06-02 02:26:24	Aryan	rather than defining it in every Vagrantfile
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2021-06-02 04:00:03	loganlee	Hello
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2021-06-02 04:06:27	lesshaste	what is the easiest way to record streaming video via screen capture?
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2021-06-02 04:08:14	Hercules	OBS Studio?
2021-06-02 04:08:25	Hercules	I doubt people in here will help with it though.
2021-06-02 04:09:03	lesshaste	Hercules, thanks. I meant streaming video that you are watching . OBS studio is for video you are making yourself
2021-06-02 04:09:13	lesshaste	It is good though#
2021-06-02 04:09:17	Hercules	You can screen capture in OBS Studio too
2021-06-02 04:09:27	lesshaste	oh I didn't know. I will check that out, thanks
2021-06-02 04:09:34	Hercules	np
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2021-06-02 04:43:01	lyind	hi all, I encountered some weird out-of-memory condition on Linux 5.11.12 (Debian Bullseye userland). it could be related to a large number of systemd-cgroups processes existing in the system (for unknown reasons). any ideas? some info pasted here: http://talpidae.net/~jonas.zeiger/public/paste/wiki-out-of-memory.txt
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2021-06-02 04:45:20	lyind	the buildup was very slow and gradual and only caused issues early, because the VM in question is configured with low RAM and SWAP. i worry this could affect other similar systems (with more RAM) also.
2021-06-02 04:45:33	rindolf	lyind: hi
2021-06-02 04:46:03	lyind	unfortunately i had to do a reboot already
2021-06-02 04:46:13	lyind	rindolf: hi
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2021-06-02 04:53:41	rindolf	lyind: do you have a vm snapshot?
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2021-06-02 04:55:23	rindolf	lyind: or you can try a stress test to reproduce
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2021-06-02 05:28:47	lyind	rindolf: no VM snapshot, VM is in production use (no stressing possible). do you think the mass of systemd-cgroups processes could be the reason? any idea where these come from/why they accumulate?
2021-06-02 05:29:19	lyind	rindolf: (i will observe their number now)
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2021-06-02 05:30:54	zealsham	Hello everyone i have a cron job that does execute no matter what i do on  my linux mint
2021-06-02 05:31:06	rindolf	zealsham: hi
2021-06-02 05:31:15	rindolf	zealsham: strace?
2021-06-02 05:31:36	rindolf	lyind: no idea
2021-06-02 05:32:23	zealsham	i have a cron job with the following content 0 */6 * * *  /home/zealsham/bountyautomation/monitor.sh
2021-06-02 05:33:12	zealsham	yet it never runs at all , the  monitor.sh scripts loops over folder names and performs some actions
2021-06-02 05:33:40	zealsham	@rindolf i meant that my cron job does not execute
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2021-06-02 05:34:59	lyind	rindolf: the newly booted system now doesn't have ANY systemd-cgroups processes (maybe they are launched and "leaked" as part of sessions or periodic tasks.
2021-06-02 05:35:10	is_null	hi all, is there any way to get the default route without the ip command installed?
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2021-06-02 05:36:16	DuClare	is_null: how about the route command?  :P
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2021-06-02 05:36:44	is_null	without that command as well please xD
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2021-06-02 05:36:54	zealsham	can anyone help address my issue with cron i mentioned above
2021-06-02 05:37:16	lyind	is_null: cat /proc/net/route (Destination == '00000000') ?
2021-06-02 05:37:47	lyind	is_null: but don't see how that could support IPv6
2021-06-02 05:38:22	is_null	nice! but how am i to convert 010010AC into an ipv4?
2021-06-02 05:38:36	lyind	is_null: are you a software developer?
2021-06-02 05:38:55	is_null	yes, but I'm trying to achieve that before installing any package
2021-06-02 05:38:56	lyind	is_null: it is the IPv4 (32-bit) address in hex
2021-06-02 05:39:08	DuClare	In little endian.
2021-06-02 05:39:20	is_null	because that is the ip of my apt mirror in an airgapped environment
2021-06-02 05:39:29	DuClare	(Probably host endian but I'm assuming LE machine)
2021-06-02 05:39:38	lyind	DuClare: great insight
2021-06-02 05:40:40	lyind	is_null: how to convert the hex number to "something else" depends on your programming environment. shell? python?
2021-06-02 05:40:45	DuClare	head?
2021-06-02 05:41:21	is_null	python would be nice but it's not supposed to be installed at this point (same as for the ip package)
2021-06-02 05:41:33	is_null	but there's bash, so I'll put up something in bash, thank you!
2021-06-02 05:42:04	is_null	awk also available so that might be an option too
2021-06-02 05:42:08	lyind	is_null: https://superuser.com/questions/1104234/how-to-convert-a-hexadecimal-value-to-a-standard-ip-address/1104236
2021-06-02 05:42:41	DuClare	Oh that sed trick is clever
2021-06-02 05:42:56	DuClare	I never thought of inserting spaces to split an argument
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2021-06-02 05:43:06	lyind	DuClare: i also didn't do that before :)
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2021-06-02 05:44:06	is_null	brilliant!! thank you
2021-06-02 05:44:53	Ublx	hello, how can i define these key press events in .xbindkeysrc? http://paste.ubuntu.com/p/JrVHmFy6C6/ = the key for more brightness and the one for less brightness.
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2021-06-02 06:42:16	otisolsen70	Is there a way to emulate what iperf does to measure bandwidth between two hosts directly from the shell? It does not have to be good or exact. Just something that is easy and requires no external tools
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2021-06-02 06:46:43	Echoz	otisolsen70: you could pipe /dev/zero through dd and nc
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2021-06-02 06:54:39	lyind	rindolf: filed here, let's see: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/19789
2021-06-02 06:55:07	terzievk	How do I search in a pdf with text in cyrillic, which when copied look like this: "äåôèíèöèÿ"?
2021-06-02 06:55:15	terzievk	*looks
2021-06-02 06:56:13	rindolf	terzievk: koi8/iso-8859-*?
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2021-06-02 06:57:35	rindolf	terzievk: there is iconv/etc.: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2003/10/08/the-absolute-minimum-every-software-developer-absolutely-positively-must-know-about-unicode-and-character-sets-no-excuses/
2021-06-02 06:58:02	terzievk	rindolf:  https://2cyr.com/decode/?lang=en says source encoding is windows-1251
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2021-06-02 06:59:06	rindolf	terzievk: ok
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2021-06-02 07:03:04	terzievk	but in the pdf I see "дефиниция", and when i search with C-f "дефиниция" I get nothing, but when I copy the "дефиниция" from the pdf I get "äåôèíèöèÿ". When I search
2021-06-02 07:03:04	terzievk	"äåôèíèöèÿ" I find the texts which in the pdf are visualised as"дефиниция". Is there a way to type "дефиниция" and find "дефиниция"?
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2021-06-02 07:04:05	rindolf	terzievk: which pdf viewer?
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2021-06-02 07:05:28	hexnewbie	terzievk: echo "äåôèíèöèÿ" | iconv -f utf8 -t cp1252 | iconv -f cp1251 -t utf8
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2021-06-02 07:06:06	hexnewbie	Reverse for the reverse.
2021-06-02 07:06:18	rindolf	hexnewbie: cp1251 or cp1252?
2021-06-02 07:06:31	hexnewbie	rindolf: Yes
2021-06-02 07:06:50	rindolf	hexnewbie: what?
2021-06-02 07:07:05	hexnewbie	cp1251 *and* cp1252
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2021-06-02 07:07:33	rindolf	hexnewbie: i see
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2021-06-02 07:08:29	terzievk	can I iconv the whole pdf file?
2021-06-02 07:08:40	hexnewbie	For some reason, at some stage, text that was meant to be cp1251 was assumed to be cp1252 (as Windows default, or latin1 as something else's default). Whether it occurred during PDF generation by a faulty tool, or by the PDF reader as a legacy encoding is used inside the file, I have no particular idea (I'm not familiar with that aspect of PDF)
2021-06-02 07:09:26	otisolsen70	Echoz, great idea. However, I did do not have nc.
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2021-06-02 07:09:41	otisolsen70	Echoz, problem is: one side is aix with very limited tools installed. The other is linux.
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2021-06-02 07:12:22	terzievk	hexnewbie:  thanks for the iconv, now I can atleast turn "дефиниция" to "äåôèíèöèÿ" and then search it
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2021-06-02 07:14:30	hexnewbie	And yeah, there should be a way to fix the PDF itself, but I don't know what it is, and if there's a way to do without coding something yourself. It may be as simple as switching the PDF viewer, or using a locale whose legacy encoding is cp1251 (or even, though that may have side-effects, running the PDF viewer in a cp1251 locale)
2021-06-02 07:15:26	hexnewbie	(For the record, I don't know if UTF-8 locales have a legacy encoding, but I know Wine guesses that one from *something* in the UTF-8 locale, so I assume they do)
2021-06-02 07:15:33	terzievk	i have tried to open it in different viewers, okular, adobe, ibooks, google-drive, chrome and no help
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2021-06-02 07:16:08	hexnewbie	Yeah, that means the PDF is broken (partially or completely), as Okular has no issues with Cyrillic, Greek or Japanese searching.
2021-06-02 07:16:44	terzievk	hexnewbie:  do you know of a way to copy the output of a command in a way as if it's Ctrl-Shift-C -ed and then to be able directly to paste it with Ctrl-V somewhere else
2021-06-02 07:17:00	hexnewbie	terzievk: xclip maybe?
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2021-06-02 07:17:20	hexnewbie	xsel, xclip and xclipboard?
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2021-06-02 07:18:36	terzievk	hexnewbie:  thanks again "echo hello | xclip -selection clipboard" works
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2021-06-02 07:24:27	borisrunak	Hello ! trying to use nvm with proxychains I get `/usr/bin/proxychains: 9: exec: nvm: not found` . `which nvm` returns nothing but `nvm --version` returns `0.38.0`
2021-06-02 07:25:10	djph	sounds like something's wonky with your $PATH
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2021-06-02 07:25:45	Noir	Did you by chance set up an alias for nvm?
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2021-06-02 07:32:36	borisrunak	echo $PATH: `/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/usr/local/games:/snap/bin`
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2021-06-02 07:32:52	borisrunak	Noir: no alias for nvm
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2021-06-02 07:33:51	triceratux	borisrunak: what about "command -v nvm" ?
2021-06-02 07:34:29	borisrunak	triceratux: it outputs `nvm`
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2021-06-02 07:36:38	borisrunak	bashrc has : https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7ygwJhQWHS/ Noir
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2021-06-02 07:36:47	triceratux	its there somewhere. how did you install it ?
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2021-06-02 07:40:19	Echoz	otisolsen70: you could perhaps use telnet on the aix end
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2021-06-02 07:41:19	borisrunak	triceratux: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nvm-sh/nvm/v0.38.0/install.sh . I downloaded https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nvm-sh/nvm/v0.38.0/install.sh , and then `sh install.sh`
2021-06-02 07:42:55	triceratux	rofl
2021-06-02 07:43:08	triceratux	desquirrel that & yer problems solved
2021-06-02 07:43:42	otisolsen70	Echoz, alright. Can I just pipe through telnet? And how do I set up something on the linux end to  receive from telnet? Some python script that listens and redirects to /dev/null?
2021-06-02 07:43:51	otisolsen70	Echoz, I dont have nc on linux either.
2021-06-02 07:44:36	Echoz	otisolsen70: if you don't have nc there you'll have to improvise, yeah, a python script would do
2021-06-02 07:45:17	otisolsen70	Echoz, is there a way to do it directly from shell? The python part?
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2021-06-02 07:46:40	cadmio	Hello
2021-06-02 07:46:54	RayTracer	otisolsen70: you can pipe something to /dev/tcp/$ip/$port
2021-06-02 07:47:09	cadmio	I need to magnify the writing under the "Fender" logo here to see what's written https://immagini.mercatinousato.com/images/prodotti/RM42_1155092_2.jpg?v=202106021226140000
2021-06-02 07:47:18	RayTracer	otisolsen70: at least with bash (given the feature is compiled in)
2021-06-02 07:48:07	gobby252	Hey guys, I was trying to check my HDD power state with smartctl -n standby /dev/sda, but instead of checking it spins it up while checking
2021-06-02 07:48:08	RayTracer	otisolsen70: but that doesn't work for the receiving part, only for sending
2021-06-02 07:48:22	gobby252	How can I prevent the spinup, the documentation says it does the command UNLESS in standby
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2021-06-02 07:49:13	Echoz	otisolsen70: On the listening end, no. What RayTracer said applies if you're going to connect to something, but in order to listen you'll most likely have to use python/perl. If you have socat you could use that from bash, though
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2021-06-02 07:51:01	otisolsen70	Echoz, RayTracer: Ok. Thanks. You have both given me some ideas.
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2021-06-02 09:05:16	--	chroot is now known as dd
2021-06-02 09:06:17	lusrx	is a 6 gen 2 core 4 thread intel cpu enough to run a modern linux desktop os?
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2021-06-02 09:09:53	rascul	sure
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2021-06-02 09:12:29	lusrx	my problem is i experience slowness when web browsing, as it's stalling and especially when loading video sites like youtube it seems
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2021-06-02 09:13:33	lusrx	i double checked and the cpu is 6200u so it is 2 core 4 thread, and im using ubuntu desktop
2021-06-02 09:13:45	triceratux	try a lightweight agressively tuned distro https://antixlinux.com/
2021-06-02 09:14:05	triceratux	or lubuntu 21.04 which is pretty close :)
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2021-06-02 09:16:01	lusrx	lubuntu? ok will check it out
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2021-06-02 09:19:43	lusrx	im on ubuntu 2004 lts and it's a laptop so not very powerful. in monitor right now i see it idle at 6 to 32 % across 4 cores, all the time within the first half of the cpu graph (below 50%)
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2021-06-02 09:20:17	lusrx	when i try to load youtube in firefox it often hits 100% and then sits at 50% while playing a video
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2021-06-02 09:21:57	Skunky	faulty direct rendering?
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2021-06-02 09:23:52	lusrx	*across 2 cores (4 threads)
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2021-06-02 09:23:57	IniGit	hi
2021-06-02 09:24:16	IniGit	is it possible to zero out multiple drives in parallel via dd?
2021-06-02 09:24:42	rascul	you could run multiple instances of dd
2021-06-02 09:24:47	IniGit	And does somebody know how can I get an invite for #ubuntu?
2021-06-02 09:24:56	lusrx	faulty rendering? what would that be the result of? bad driver or something?
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2021-06-02 09:25:26	Prestige	IniGit: how about using gnu parallel or sem?
2021-06-02 09:25:30	IniGit	rascul: I just open multiple terminals and that has no downside and works?
2021-06-02 09:25:51	rascul	#ubuntu has moved to libera  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-irc/2021-May/001927.html
2021-06-02 09:25:56	IniGit	Prestige: Because I do not know those at the moment. I'll look into them. Which one do you recommend?
2021-06-02 09:26:03	rascul	IniGit should be fine
2021-06-02 09:26:23	rascul	as long as you're not trying to do the same drive twice at the same time
2021-06-02 09:26:40	IniGit	rascul: ok, thx
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2021-06-02 09:46:39	kerframil	IniGit: in bash: command1 & command2 & wait
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2021-06-02 09:51:22	MrNaz	do all linux distros use resolv.conf? somehow my resolv.conf contains no nameservers, but i do know that this server was working until a short time ago
2021-06-02 09:52:21	coolvibe	depends on what's in your /etc/nsswitch.conf
2021-06-02 09:52:44	coolvibe	I believe systemd has a fallback as well
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2021-06-02 09:58:57	IniGit	kerframil: But that's not as fast as parallel
2021-06-02 09:59:07	kerframil	IniGit: by what metric?
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2021-06-02 09:59:48	IniGit	kerframil: Doesen't & wait until the preceding command is finished?
2021-06-02 09:59:51	kerframil	no.
2021-06-02 10:00:05	IniGit	oh ok
2021-06-02 10:00:16	kerframil	that's why "wait" is present.
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2021-06-02 10:00:36	kerframil	it's just using the built-in job control features.
2021-06-02 10:00:59	IniGit	What does wait mean there= Does it mean the third command waita until the preceding command is finished?
2021-06-02 10:01:30	kerframil	given no options, it waits for all backgrounded jobs to complete.
2021-06-02 10:01:39	kerframil	not just the preceding one.
2021-06-02 10:02:09	kerframil	you'll also be informed when each one has concluded in an interactive shell.
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2021-06-02 10:03:05	kerframil	you can see for yourself: sleep 5 & sleep 10 & wait
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2021-06-02 10:03:43	IniGit	ah ok
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2021-06-02 10:03:50	IniGit	thank you
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2021-06-02 10:08:48	kerframil	another example: for dev in ...; do dd if=/dev/zero of="$dev" bs=128k & done; wait # replacing ... with a list of the devices to operate on
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2021-06-02 10:51:14	endersending	anyonw know how to get rid of malware? I found a work32 process running, and it keeps restarting. From what information I can find, its malware/crypto mining stuff running
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2021-06-02 10:51:59	endersending	I am running clamAV right now, which has been running for 12 hours and hasnt shown anything uselful
2021-06-02 10:52:19	endersending	Any information would be great. Thanks
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2021-06-02 10:53:12	oxek	endersending: what's the file path of that process?
2021-06-02 10:55:18	endersending	as soon as it starts again I could find out.
2021-06-02 10:55:22	endersending	sshd: root@notty
2021-06-02 10:55:22	endersending	 .. wtf
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2021-06-02 10:58:49	endersending	 9694 ?        S      0:00 /bin/bash /tmp/auth.sh
2021-06-02 10:58:49	endersending	 9702 ?        S      0:00 sleep 60
2021-06-02 10:58:50	endersending	 9712 ?        S      0:00 sleep 60
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2021-06-02 11:01:05	endersending	/tmp/secure.sh https://pastebin.com/kwuFzA0Q
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2021-06-02 11:01:42	endersending	I have found 3 centos computers with this same malware cranking away
2021-06-02 11:01:55	endersending	not sure what that script is doing
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2021-06-02 11:12:21	endersending	as soon as it restarts and I can find it, I will post where the process is running from
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2021-06-02 11:13:57	triceratux	its tacking a bunch of stuff onto your /etc/hosts.deny every 60sec or so. probably thinks its firewalling against breakins https://www.xplg.com/linux-security-investigate-suspected-break-in/
2021-06-02 11:16:00	triceratux	heres the code or a predecessor to it https://gist.github.com/okoala/11fdd023f890b89f094a
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2021-06-02 11:28:21	Nickwiz	It counts the IPs that have failed ssh authentication more then 8 times within the last hour. If so ban.
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2021-06-02 11:33:04	Nickwiz	... so an attempt to stop brute force attacks.
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2021-06-02 12:04:47	coldenbrewed	Alright guys! I have posted a question here on stack: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/652403/forwarding-the-local-service-ports-through-wireguard-and-back-for-the-local-serv, if you are willingto, please take a look at the article and ping me here for anything
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2021-06-02 12:05:31	coldenbrewed	I was trying to solve the problem for a long time, as I have ran out of ideas I am posting to ask the community, hope someone familiar with network and wireguard can provide me with some insight.
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2021-06-02 14:04:29	leibniz[m]	`/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6: version GLIBC_2.29' not found` Is it even possible to get away from this error? (Xubuntu 18.04)
2021-06-02 14:04:37	leibniz[m]	Even when I upgrade to 20.04, there comes a day that some app needs a newer GLIBC
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2021-06-02 14:12:12	peetaur	leibniz[m]: compile your programs for the libs you use... use the libs that match your binary provided compiled programs
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2021-06-02 14:13:12	peetaur	a distro with the default repos should not end up that way if you updated properly (no holds, pins and whatever)
2021-06-02 14:13:13	leibniz[m]	peetaur: Well it's not ideal. I use a couple of tools that download ""static binaries"" but they still need GLIBC to work
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2021-06-02 14:13:40	peetaur	those binaries should say which version of the lib you need, and ship it or you should run them in a supported os release where the lib is normally
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2021-06-02 14:14:09	peetaur	is the system and those binaries equally up to date? is it a supported os for this software?
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2021-06-02 14:14:43	peetaur	and does it come in source? you can build it for your release so it matches the libs (no guarantee it'll compile though, without patching)
2021-06-02 14:14:55	leibniz[m]	peetaur: Yeah they should but we this stuff happens...People build binaries with CIs and sometimes their `latest_ubuntu` gets updated and break all folks using older version
2021-06-02 14:15:46	leibniz[m]	It seems Arch/Gento/Nix is the only way to get away from this madness
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2021-06-02 14:16:31	peetaur	I was thinking of saying the opposite... normaly a stable release cycle distro is easy to support because you don't need to rebuild things for their libs...they stick with the same major release of the libs. And on distros like arch, it happens often but you just update and compile again and it's fixed.
2021-06-02 14:16:44	leibniz[m]	And I'm very conservative in my use...Like I use ~10 apps
2021-06-02 14:17:06	velix	win.com
2021-06-02 14:17:09	peetaur	well I suggest you make a container or VM for this software, and run a specific supported os for it
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2021-06-02 14:17:59	max377	i have a fork bomb going on a remote server. i can ssh in but if i try `killall -KILL -u max` i just get `fork: retry: No child processes`. is there anything i can do?
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2021-06-02 14:19:14	peetaur	probably just have to repeat and get lucky, or use alt+sysrq+e and/or i
2021-06-02 14:19:54	peetaur	if you are lucky and the fork bomb relies on some resource (eg. an nfs share), then you might be able to hang it by disrupting that (like unplug the network cable, or block it via firewall)
2021-06-02 14:20:26	max377	i don't understand why the kill doesn't work
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2021-06-02 14:21:23	peetaur	and maybe instead of kill/killall, you will have more luck with things like     echo -e 'max soft nproc 1\nmax hard nproc 1' >> '/etc/security/limits.conf'  (assuming max isn't in the file...otherwise you have to insert it in the top)
2021-06-02 14:21:47	peetaur	because killall is a program that needs a pid and ram and such, and the fork bomb is consuming all available
2021-06-02 14:21:51	leibniz[m]	max377: unrelated but how did you get that fork bomb?
2021-06-02 14:21:58	peetaur	who do you ssh in as? if you do it as someone other than max, it might be a separate limit
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2021-06-02 14:22:08	max377	leibniz[m] apparently by running pytest-xdist
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2021-06-02 14:22:58	max328	peetaur i ssh in as max
2021-06-02 14:23:23	peetaur	ok well that's why you hit the limit the way you see it... that "no child processes" is like the nproc I said to set
2021-06-02 14:23:32	peetaur	is there a way to ssh as someone else?
2021-06-02 14:23:57	peetaur	or even ssh as max, then `sudo -i` (harder to do, but once done, you are free of the limit maybe, for many commands that follow)
2021-06-02 14:24:31	peetaur	so what does the fork bomb use...is there a file on disk it executes? chmod -x it, or mv it away
2021-06-02 14:25:31	max328	i have no idea what the fork bomb uses
2021-06-02 14:25:51	max328	if someone else logs in would they have better luck?
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2021-06-02 14:28:53	max328	yup that did it
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2021-06-02 15:09:36	peetaur	altwulf: I assume simply by logging in as another user, he could run the commands he wanted, like  sudo killall -u max
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2021-06-02 15:13:43	coldenbrewed	Here is a log message from iptables, I want to know what do I need to do to let this stuff go thru: Jun  2 19:11:20 localhost kernel: [1094030.220366] DROPPED: IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=<covered it up for good measure> SRC=home.ip DST=vps.ip LEN=108 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=50 ID=55876 PROTO=UDP SPT=46606 DPT=49503 LEN=88
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2021-06-02 15:31:31	altwulf	This place is dead. :(
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2021-06-02 15:32:10	coldenbrewed	indeed
2021-06-02 15:32:15	coldenbrewed	prolly all ppl over to libera
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2021-06-02 15:42:39	altwulf	Lots of people seem to be drifting that way, yes.
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2021-06-02 15:42:57	altwulf	By the way, "people", not "ppl".
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2021-06-02 15:44:42	Prestige	This place is dead?
2021-06-02 15:45:05	Prestige	I see so many ppl here still
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2021-06-02 15:47:00	altwulf	Prestige: "people", not "ppl".
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2021-06-02 15:47:57	Prestige	Seems harmful to not let people learn commonly used terms online
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2021-06-02 15:49:31	user225	ppl ppl everywhere
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2021-06-02 16:01:43	ncuxo	when running sshfs is it a good practice to have the shared block device as a bind mount in the users home dir?
2021-06-02 16:02:37	koala_man	there shouldn't be a block device involved
2021-06-02 16:04:25	ncuxo	then wrong formatted question :D the block device is mounted in /srv/sshfs/sdb and since I don't want to give the user access to that dir I was thinking of creating a bind mount in his home directory
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2021-06-02 16:06:38	koala_man	you want to share a server dir /srv/sshfs/sdb with a client, but you want the user to be unable to acces other dirs inside /srv/sshfs?
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2021-06-02 16:07:04	ncuxo	yeah or other dirs in the server
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2021-06-02 16:07:49	ncuxo	koala_man: I have a quite complicated situation here and I'd love your input. So I have the sshfs group that is in a jail in openssh for internal-sftp I've added the katello user to that group but the permissions on the shared folder is for the katello group and not the sshfs so will that work
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2021-06-02 16:08:20	ncuxo	and the folder is mounted with a bind mount in the user home dir
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2021-06-02 16:08:54	ncuxo	I've followed this https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SCP_and_SFTP#Secure_file_transfer_protocol_(SFTP)_with_a_chroot_jail and also I have the user confined with SELinux as user_u
2021-06-02 16:10:55	koala_man	if you chroot the user to a dir then a bind --mount would be one way of making an outside dir available, yes
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2021-06-02 16:15:31	ncuxo	but will other users in the sshfs group be able to see what the katello group has shared
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2021-06-02 16:15:48	ncuxo	since both groups would be chrooted with sshfs
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2021-06-02 16:16:22	ncuxo	or I have to chroot every group in separate jail for better confinement?
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2021-06-02 16:18:24	TheWild	hello
2021-06-02 16:18:25	koala_man	if you log in as katello and get chrooted to the sshfs jail, then katello's permissions will still be used to access the directory
2021-06-02 16:19:18	TheWild	^ I hope it's not a root running in chroot
2021-06-02 16:21:29	TheWild	although... I don't know the whole context anyway
2021-06-02 16:21:40	Linkandzelda	Having an Internet backup server with root access to other servers, but limited access to it. Or having multiple other servers with access to a central server to send their backups. What's more of a security risk?
2021-06-02 16:23:49	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: the first. Have the others send the backup
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2021-06-02 16:25:42	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: what if one gets compromised and learns of access to the backup server?
2021-06-02 16:26:23	ncuxo	Linkandzelda: I'd suggest you look into restic
2021-06-02 16:26:31	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: what kind of access would that be? I'm just assuming that you'll be restricting it to "put file at /somewhere"
2021-06-02 16:27:07	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: and you could create different users for the single servers so one can't access the backup space for another
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2021-06-02 16:28:28	ncuxo	also check vdo if doing something like RayTracer suggested
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2021-06-02 16:29:04	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: borg backup repository with encryption which requires to my knowledge ssh key access to the remote and encryption key for the repo
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2021-06-02 16:29:46	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: you can restrict the commands that are allowed via ssh on a per-key basis
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2021-06-02 16:30:16	Linkandzelda	That's very useful, likely the best option then
2021-06-02 16:30:41	Linkandzelda	ncuxo: ill look at it, though does it offer something over borg?
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2021-06-02 16:31:56	TheWild	again not strictly Linux, but...
2021-06-02 16:31:56	TheWild	I replaced the SSD drive in my Dell with a HDD (good upgrade, eh?). Thing is, there doesn't seem to be any damping inside the disk slot and it's not like I could easily put any (slot is at the side of the laptop). Is there a chance that the disk might get damag... No. Should I try to put some damping anyway or leave it as is?
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2021-06-02 16:32:17	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: it seems borg suggests separate repos for separate servers at https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/faq.html
2021-06-02 16:32:28	blip-	hey, how can i get an invite for the libera ##linux?
2021-06-02 16:32:54	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: reasons I was considering the other option is because I thought 1 unknown target vs a bunch of known targets, and that if it happened centrally the other servers wouldn't have any knowledge of their backup method
2021-06-02 16:32:59	koala_man	blip-: join #linux
2021-06-02 16:33:11	TheWild	also, it's not like I care about the data. The data is actually well backed up, but the HDD is my now 11-year old dude that always works.
2021-06-02 16:33:19	ncuxo	Linkandzelda: I've heard they are very much alike
2021-06-02 16:33:23	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: yes, of course, because of the de duping and for organising reasons
2021-06-02 16:33:35	blip-	koala_man: oh lol, thanks
2021-06-02 16:33:43	ncuxo	I've always used restic never tested borg because I was told that there is not much difference
2021-06-02 16:34:07	@jim	blip-, hi... the channel is #linux on libera, the ##linux channel there is closed
2021-06-02 16:34:31	Linkandzelda	jim: what's happening with this channel?
2021-06-02 16:34:39	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: I don't know borg at all, but your answer didn't specify if it was one borg repo or one per server
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2021-06-02 16:35:41	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: I was just planning 1 server with multiple repos named by hostname or custom name, whatever I felt was easier
2021-06-02 16:36:09	Linkandzelda	Then I'd stuff those repos on S3 or something daily
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2021-06-02 16:36:29	Prestige	This channel will stay Linkandzelda
2021-06-02 16:36:44	@jim	Linkandzelda, well in my opinion, that depends on what the users prefer... if you want to stay here, you can do that... if you want to go to any of efnet (rough place though), libera or oftc, you can do that too, or even stay in all of those places
2021-06-02 16:36:50	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: I don't know what makes the backup server an unknown target, but if the backup server has (needs to have?) root access to all others, it's basically the jackpot for owning the whole landscape
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2021-06-02 16:37:21	Linkandzelda	Prestige: cool, I didn't join libre yet, but see many of my channels dropped off
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2021-06-02 16:38:16	RayTracer	TheWild: if you put additional damping material in there, isn't that going to cause a heat problem?
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2021-06-02 16:40:12	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: if there's 30 hosts each configured to send to X, then 1 host gets known, the backup host location and method is then known. However if the 30 hosts have nothing and all configuration is done on 1 server (root access to obtain any file it needs, full system snapshot), then yes its a jackpot but also I think it protects the backup server itself from being known. Or am I wrong? Except if
2021-06-02 16:40:14	Linkandzelda	someone sees the process actually doing the backup when it happens
2021-06-02 16:40:22	Linkandzelda	Oops got cut there
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2021-06-02 16:41:05	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: or just issuing a "last" probably will reveal its ip
2021-06-02 16:41:18	cryptopsy	lscpu updated, how do i get the average CPU Mhz now?
2021-06-02 16:41:42	cryptopsy	i was using:   lscpu |grep 'CPU MHz' |awk '{print int($3)}'
2021-06-02 16:41:56	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: that's true, but would they know its borg?
2021-06-02 16:43:10	RayTracer	Linkandzelda: why would that matter? It would just make it a known target.
2021-06-02 16:44:02	RayTracer	your security model should not rely on something not being known.. besides secret keys of course.
2021-06-02 16:44:50	cryptopsy	where can i get the average current CPU frequency?
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2021-06-02 16:47:18	RayTracer	cryptopsy: you could read /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq and do your average calculation(s) yourself
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2021-06-02 16:48:27	cryptopsy	i can keep using lscpu if i wanted the freq of individual core, this is not what i asked for
2021-06-02 16:48:39	cryptopsy	i'm not calculating the average myself
2021-06-02 16:48:49	RayTracer	cryptopsy: maybe you should ask more precise questions
2021-06-02 16:49:03	cryptopsy	maybe you should learn how to read
2021-06-02 16:49:13	cryptopsy	"how do i get the average CPU Mhz now?"
2021-06-02 16:49:20	RayTracer	and who wants support?
2021-06-02 16:49:21	cryptopsy	what do you not understand about average ?
2021-06-02 16:49:41	TheWild	RayTracer: well, I don't know. I remember this HDD hitting 50°C sometimes on my old laptop (and CrystalDiskInfo showed a warning once), while on this one it barely reaches 40°C even under heavy load.
2021-06-02 16:49:42	TheWild	just few cut of that gum-like material
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2021-06-02 16:50:16	RayTracer	cryptopsy: eg. top shows 1m, 5m, 15m average
2021-06-02 16:50:23	cryptopsy	????????
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2021-06-02 16:50:53	Linkandzelda	RayTracer: my current backup system leaves no entries in "last"
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2021-06-02 16:52:57	RayTracer	cryptopsy: these are load averages, but three different ones. So I still don't know what you mean with "the average CPU Mhz now"
2021-06-02 16:53:21	Linkandzelda	but yes, relying on just something not being known isn't the best approach
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2021-06-02 16:54:44	Linkandzelda	i also wanted something that was easy to manage with multiple hosts
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2021-06-02 16:56:33	AF04FB9290474265	I had a lab recover my monolith usb drive recently, and as a result i got a malformed ext4 image
2021-06-02 16:57:01	AF04FB9290474265	What can I do with it? It seems to start from somewhere way past the first few superblocks
2021-06-02 16:57:34	RayTracer	TheWild: then it probably doesn't hurt. However, I'm unsure what good it will do, and against what events you want to guard. The HDD is still connected to the body of the laptop with undampened screws, I guess.
2021-06-02 16:57:44	AF04FB9290474265	I am currently running photorec on the image, but would be better if I could mount it with some backup superblock
2021-06-02 16:58:14	TheWild	RayTracer: heh, true
2021-06-02 16:58:24	TheWild	this laptop is like not designed to hold a HDD
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2021-06-02 17:00:38	koala_man	AF04FB9290474265: I'd fsck with an alternative superblock and see what happens
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2021-06-02 17:01:35	AF04FB9290474265	koala_man, Thing is: Where do I find it?
2021-06-02 17:01:55	AF04FB9290474265	Given no primary superblock, dumpe2fs refuses to work
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2021-06-02 17:03:01	koala_man	AF04FB9290474265: you probably didn't change the options so reformat the file with -n and see what it likely did the first time
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2021-06-02 17:04:13	chowderman	recently released a CLI tool for archiving web pages under the AGPLv3 license. Anyone mind taking a look at it and letting me know your thoughts?
2021-06-02 17:04:21	AF04FB9290474265	koala_man, Thing is - the file they returned was a few gigs smaller than the partition I recall creating
2021-06-02 17:04:41	AF04FB9290474265	Is it possible to find a superblock by hexedit?
2021-06-02 17:04:56	chowderman	can provide a link if anyone is interested
2021-06-02 17:05:02	koala_man	probably but I wouldn't know how
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2021-06-02 17:05:24	AF04FB9290474265	chowderman, I am
2021-06-02 17:05:31	chowderman	https://github.com/chowderman/hyperfiler
2021-06-02 17:05:34	chowderman	heres the repo
2021-06-02 17:06:01	chowderman	let me know your thoughts, should work on multiple platforms and have intructions for different distros
2021-06-02 17:06:07	AF04FB9290474265	For a long time now I did not archive web pages... gotta give it a go
2021-06-02 17:06:47	chowderman	I did not test on some older distros, so some of the dependencies may not be available, but it technically still works without all of the dependencies (most are optional)
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2021-06-02 17:07:21	chowderman	only tried with latest versions of a few distros, so let me know if you run into any issues
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2021-06-02 17:07:25	AF04FB9290474265	OH! So its not a crawler, but a tool to untangle web pages!
2021-06-02 17:07:54	chowderman	nope, not a crawler like wget, install just bundles all assets in a single page into the HTML file
2021-06-02 17:08:28	chowderman	makes the files easier to share with others this way, since its a single file
2021-06-02 17:08:33	AF04FB9290474265	Your first description looked like a yet another spider.
2021-06-02 17:08:50	AF04FB9290474265	chowderman, Your software is something Firefox lacks, but really needs
2021-06-02 17:09:11	chowderman	i really wish it was implemented in the browsers natively, would have saved me the trouble!
2021-06-02 17:09:36	AF04FB9290474265	But given the current state of development at Mozilla, I guess we would have to say goodbye to firefox in the next 5 years
2021-06-02 17:10:47	AF04FB9290474265	What is truly needed, is a new web engine.
2021-06-02 17:11:25	chowderman	the current ones took around 8000 dev years to build, so not likely to see a new engine for a while
2021-06-02 17:11:56	AF04FB9290474265	But we need those 8000 more dev years
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2021-06-02 17:12:52	AF04FB9290474265	chowderman, Thinking of a first target to try your tool on, I only think of HTML5 online multiplayer games :)
2021-06-02 17:14:43	chowderman	not sure if it will work with that, since it needs a persistent connection to a server likely, or may conditionally load more resources
2021-06-02 17:15:00	kfrench	Alls I wanted was a web browser
2021-06-02 17:15:30	chowderman	but you could technically bundle offline-only HTML 5 games, as long as there is no conditional loading of levels (or with conditional loading of levels with a plugin)
2021-06-02 17:16:01	chowderman	I was actually able to bundle some flash games with it, was surprised I was able to get that working
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2021-06-02 17:18:20	AF04FB9290474265	Now... I were at the question of manually identifying backup superblocks on ext4, using hexedit, a torch and a rope
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2021-06-02 17:22:19	AF04FB9290474265	chowderman, https://paste.c-net.org/DonnerDrugging
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2021-06-02 17:25:45	chowderman	which version of node are you using?
2021-06-02 17:26:19	chowderman	needs to be 10+ I think, I tried once with node 8, and got a similar error
2021-06-02 17:26:31	AF04FB9290474265	v12.21.0
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2021-06-02 17:28:34	chowderman	hmm, I wonder if its the page. I know some pages will fail to bundle for a variety of reasons. Can you try bundling "https://wikipedia.org"?
2021-06-02 17:28:51	AF04FB9290474265	I just ran ./hyperfiler
2021-06-02 17:29:10	chowderman	oh
2021-06-02 17:29:15	chowderman	try ./hyperfiler --help
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2021-06-02 17:29:37	AF04FB9290474265	--help and -v works
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2021-06-02 17:29:41	chowderman	I actually haven't tried running the command without any args! should have tried this
2021-06-02 17:29:51	AF04FB9290474265	XD
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2021-06-02 17:31:35	AF04FB9290474265	fuzzing your software, even if not meant to be touched by unprivileged users, is a very good idea :)
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2021-06-02 17:32:39	chowderman	good point, that something I should do more!
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2021-06-02 17:46:12	TBotNik	All; My Server only has a speaker jack, so I need to add a media card with full audio and video capabilites for podcasting.  What are the lowest cost full capability and range cards for this?
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2021-06-02 18:39:10	AF04FB9290474265	TBotNik, I recommend not to mention everybody like that. I honestly did search for a user called "All" in the recent log
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2021-06-02 18:39:44	AF04FB9290474265	TBotNik, About podcasting - could you clarify as to what exactly do you need
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2021-06-02 18:41:44	terzievk	Why is the alt+tab working, but the C-v not in `xdotool  key  alt+Tab  ctrl+f`?
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2021-06-02 18:42:51	terzievk	* c-v
2021-06-02 18:42:59	terzievk	*c-f lol
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2021-06-02 18:52:03	terzievk	I guess it's because it executes them on the current window, yet I want it to be executed on the alt-tab-ed window
2021-06-02 18:53:28	kerframil	if that's how your window manager behaves, there's not much you can do other than to insert a sleep.
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2021-06-02 18:59:52	terzievk	I don't think sleep will help since `xdotool key alt+Tab ctrl+shift+v` pastes in the terminal instead of the other alt-tabbed window. I guess I have to use more options like --window
2021-06-02 19:01:38	_reptile_	crtl+v
2021-06-02 19:02:50	terzievk	_reptile_:  ?
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2021-06-02 19:06:14	kerframil	terzievk: if alt+tab works in isolation, I think it might help. to be clear, I'm not referring to sleep(1) but the sleep command of xdotool.
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2021-06-02 19:07:51	kerframil	selecting the intended window does sound like a good idea though, if it's possible.
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2021-06-02 19:12:03	terzievk	kerframil:  `xdotool key alt+Tab sleep [n] key ctrl+shift+v` works too, if n >= 0.05 in my case
2021-06-02 19:12:10	terzievk	thanks
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2021-06-02 19:13:42	terzievk	the sleep time needed varies though, I guess it shoud be bigger
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2021-06-02 19:16:36	kerframil	terzievk: hmm. maybe keydown would work better for this case. it must be used with caution because, if you sent a keydown event for alt and forget to send a subsequent keyup, it will be locked.
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2021-06-02 19:22:57	terzievk	I will try it
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2021-06-02 19:44:18	diverdude	Hello, in crontab - does this mean every 15 minutes? */15 * * * *
2021-06-02 19:44:42	diverdude	or every 15 seconds?
2021-06-02 19:44:59	kerframil	minutes.
2021-06-02 19:45:05	kerframil	cron doesn't handle seconds.
2021-06-02 19:45:11	diverdude	aha ok
2021-06-02 19:45:15	diverdude	thx
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2021-06-02 20:24:27	Prestige	Anyone know if there's a way to revert the UI changes that come with firefox 89?
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2021-06-02 20:25:18	porky	Prestige, lol I also want to know that
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2021-06-02 20:25:31	porky	I don't like the new look one bit
2021-06-02 20:25:53	Prestige	It's an eye sore
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2021-06-02 20:26:31	Prestige	porky: aha, go to about:config search for browser.proton.enabled and set it to false
2021-06-02 20:26:59	kerframil	also, https://github.com/black7375/Firefox-UI-Fix may be of interest.
2021-06-02 20:27:09	rascul	huh the tab bar turned into a button bar
2021-06-02 20:29:39	Prestige	https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1709425#c2 well that's not good..
2021-06-02 20:30:16	kerframil	it's Mozilla. what do you expect.
2021-06-02 20:30:50	Prestige	"You are not allowed to make an additional comment on this bug." well fudge.
2021-06-02 20:31:34	Prestige	Maybe I'll just use librewolf then, unless they also adopt the new UI
2021-06-02 20:31:46	Prestige	It's a fork with privacy changes so they probably will
2021-06-02 20:32:13	kerframil	yes, they will.
2021-06-02 20:32:37	kerframil	it's really just a firefox rebuild with a custom prefs.js and a few other tweaks.
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2021-06-02 20:34:01	Prestige	Time to hop on the chromium train I guess
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2021-06-02 20:49:40	kerframil	the 'fix' project above is the best I've see, in any case. I suppose that's going to be good until Mozilla kill off userChrome support one day, as I suspect they will.
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2021-06-02 20:53:58	rascul	maybe waterfox is good and won't do the proton?
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2021-06-02 20:55:02	Prestige	Or I can just keep using firefox 89 with the option disabled
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2021-06-02 20:56:17	rascul	i'm going to try the fix before switching
2021-06-02 20:56:37	rascul	not many options for me to switch to
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2021-06-02 21:07:32	kerframil	rascul: waterfox has no track record of investing in UI deviation so it'll probably get there eventually.
2021-06-02 21:08:41	kerframil	at least, not beynd some perfunctory changes to the visible preferences.
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2021-06-03 00:20:41	ayecee	quiet night eh
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2021-06-03 00:23:31	terabit	all the noisy people took the life boats to libera
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2021-06-03 00:23:42	ayecee	pretty quiet there too
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2021-06-03 00:23:51	ayecee	maybe they're all watching sports
2021-06-03 00:24:04	terabit	linux users watching ... sports
2021-06-03 00:24:44	ayecee	linux, not just for neckbeards anymore
2021-06-03 00:24:58	terabit	maybe if getting distros to work fastest was a sport
2021-06-03 00:25:20	terabit	not neckbeards but not for most other people either
2021-06-03 00:25:41	terabit	you wouldn't use linux unless you cared about technology
2021-06-03 00:26:02	ayecee	challenge accepted
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2021-06-03 00:27:18	altwulf	Could also just be busy watching porn.
2021-06-03 00:27:54	ayecee	that would imply they had stopped at some point
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2021-06-03 00:28:59	ayecee	sports guess was based on a bunch of sports-related articles on the front page of reddit, which makes me think something sporty is happening today
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2021-06-03 01:15:38	ByteMe	rasengan is an ass fucker
2021-06-03 01:15:48	Dresden	ByteMe: me and my boyfriend are ass fuckers
2021-06-03 01:15:53	Dresden	That's what you do with asses
2021-06-03 01:16:06	ByteMe	only if you're weird
2021-06-03 01:16:12	Dresden	ByteMe: Try it man
2021-06-03 01:16:12	ByteMe	homo
2021-06-03 01:16:14	ByteMe	homo
2021-06-03 01:16:16	ByteMe	homo
2021-06-03 01:16:16	Dresden	Yeah no shit
2021-06-03 01:16:18	Dresden	I just said that
2021-06-03 01:16:21	ByteMe	faggit
2021-06-03 01:16:27	Dresden	*faggot
2021-06-03 01:16:29	Dresden	Learn to spell
2021-06-03 01:16:35	ByteMe	oh cool
2021-06-03 01:17:02	ByteMe	i know how to spell.  Some channels have bots that ban people for saying faggot
2021-06-03 01:17:05	Dresden	*I
2021-06-03 01:17:23	ByteMe	you try typing on smartphone for irc
2021-06-03 01:17:29	ByteMe	see how much fucks you give
2021-06-03 01:17:43	ByteMe	autistic retarded grammar nazi faggot
2021-06-03 01:17:44	Dresden	If you've got an ass I'll give a lot of fucks, now either shut up or get off
2021-06-03 01:17:54	ByteMe	Dresden is a faggot pig
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2021-06-03 01:18:05	Dresden	How could a pig type
2021-06-03 01:18:08	Dresden	They have hooves dumb-ass
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2021-06-03 01:20:20	ByteMe	!ops Dresden said the A-word
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2021-06-03 01:20:52	ByteMe	and PM'ed me sexually explicit content without permission
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2021-06-03 01:25:31	Dresden	altwulf: he'd burned himself out
2021-06-03 01:25:40	altwulf	Dresden, keep it clean and mind the decorum.
2021-06-03 01:26:14	Dresden	You gave him what he wanted
2021-06-03 01:26:24	altwulf	Your point?
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2021-06-03 01:27:28	Dresden	*sigh*
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2021-06-03 01:41:16	@jim	Dresden, it's useful to be able to observe yourself being triggered by something...
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2021-06-03 01:41:52	@jim	if you can do it fast enough, it would be in time enough so that you can choose the response you want to make
2021-06-03 01:42:04	Dresden	jim: I don't have a boyfriend, I was trying to give him something unexpected
2021-06-03 01:42:14	Dresden	He burnt himself out after 3 PMs
2021-06-03 01:42:21	Dresden	He could have been good after that we'll never know
2021-06-03 01:42:30	@jim	(that ability would be useful for all of us)
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2021-06-03 01:42:54	Dresden	Seriously man I'm fine, I threw him a curve ball to get him to burn himself out
2021-06-03 01:42:58	Dresden	He wanted to be kicked
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2021-06-03 05:25:32	lng	Hi! How may I get used remote port for a processes by application name?
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2021-06-03 05:27:29	oxek	lng: use `lsof` and/or `ss` and grep the output
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2021-06-03 05:40:31	kerframil	lng: lsof -a -p "$(pgrep name | tr '\n' ,)" -i
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2021-06-03 05:43:43	kerframil	or pgrep -x if you need for it be an exact match.
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2021-06-03 05:45:41	oxek	kerframil: that's not going to work if you only have 1 match
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2021-06-03 05:50:17	kerframil	yes it does
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2021-06-03 05:51:20	kerframil	the actual flaw is that lsof will print the details for all processes with inet sockets open if there is no match at all.
2021-06-03 05:52:10	oxek	hmm, I thought it would break if the pgrep output is "21234,"
2021-06-03 05:52:14	oxek	the comma being the issue
2021-06-03 05:52:17	kerframil	anyway, here's a smarter version: pnet() { local pids; mapfile -t pids < <(pgrep "$@"); wait $! && lsof -a -p "$(IFS=,; printf %s "${pids[*]}")" -i; }
2021-06-03 05:52:42	kerframil	allows for switches to be passed to pgrep; won't bother invoking lsof if there's no match and gives a useful exit status
2021-06-03 05:53:02	kerframil	(I was bored)
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2021-06-03 05:59:56	kerframil	pnet() { local IFS=, pids; mapfile -t pids < <(pgrep "$@"); wait $! && lsof -a -p "${pids[*]}" -i; }
2021-06-03 05:59:58	kerframil	bit neater.
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2021-06-03 06:45:54	cart_man	Hey how do I get the process thats keeping this port busy ? telnet gives me this -> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:500             0.0.0.0:*
2021-06-03 06:46:16	Dresden	cart_man: "sudo netstat -tnp"
2021-06-03 06:46:23	Dresden	telnet?
2021-06-03 06:46:48	cart_man	Dresden: soz I dont know why I just said telnet... I meant netstat
2021-06-03 06:46:54	Dresden	Yeah
2021-06-03 06:46:55	Dresden	Try -p
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2021-06-03 06:49:06	cart_man	Dresden: Soo interestingly I dont get that port 500  is used when  running your command but with  netstat -aon | grep 500 I get the above posted
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2021-06-03 06:54:35	Dresden	add -p to that
2021-06-03 06:54:37	Dresden	netstat -aonp
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2021-06-03 06:55:34	jjakob	ss -tulpn
2021-06-03 06:55:37	jjakob	(tulipan)
2021-06-03 06:56:07	jjakob	but yeah -p shows the process name if you run ss as root
2021-06-03 06:57:14	cart_man	udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:500             0.0.0.0:*                           -                    off (0.00/0/0)    Dresden   jjakob Ill try that now
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2021-06-03 06:58:33	jjakob	500/udp is ISAKMP
2021-06-03 06:58:45	jjakob	used in IPSec tunnels
2021-06-03 06:59:31	cart_man	jjakob: I am trying to connet to a VPN and because I cant get port 500 it refuses to make a connectin
2021-06-03 06:59:45	cart_man	jjakob: But killing IPSec is part of the problem right?
2021-06-03 07:00:33	jjakob	cart_man: that's a different problem then
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2021-06-03 07:00:51	jjakob	firewalls, IPsec settings, etc
2021-06-03 07:01:03	jjakob	##networking
2021-06-03 07:01:25	cart_man	jjakob: Thanks
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2021-06-03 07:32:21	oxek	don't use netstat anymore
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2021-06-03 07:40:07	triceratux	https://news.opensuse.org/2021/06/02/opensuse-leap-bridges-path-to-enterprise/
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2021-06-03 07:55:19	cart_man	jjakob: Btw... how can I shut down the ISAKMP daemon then?
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2021-06-03 08:33:59	repys	how can I check open files in a directory without lsof and without root access?
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2021-06-03 08:41:13	Tinkerer	repus: if you know the process id: ls -l /proc/<id>/fd
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2021-06-03 08:41:43	Tinkerer	don't know if this works without root access tho
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2021-06-03 08:44:43	WebertRLZ	is it normal to see each and every packet followed by a TCP Retransmission when I record a tcpdump?
2021-06-03 08:45:10	WebertRLZ	might be something related to recording on the host where the service is running on a docker container maybe?
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2021-06-03 08:46:58	kerframil	repys: it won't work. even with the default hidepid=0 behaviour, "fd" has a restrictive file mode in effect.
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2021-06-03 08:47:53	kerframil	in short, you can't, because your problem requires that all file descriptors be considered. yet, they are not all within your purview.
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2021-06-03 08:54:52	repys	so without root I can't see open files in a dir?
2021-06-03 08:55:18	kerframil	only yours.
2021-06-03 08:55:47	kerframil	that is the ones that the effective user has open, not those of other users.
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2021-06-03 09:10:08	cousteau	tar: Refusing to read archive contents from terminal (missing -f option?) -- I get this error message if I use a NEWER version of tar than the one I was using >:(
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2021-06-03 09:11:10	cousteau	Admittedly, it would have been helpful if it had displayed that error message instead of freezing waiting for output
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2021-06-03 09:11:34	cousteau	good thing I had a newer tar on another machine
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2021-06-03 09:39:23	slayne	Top of the morning !
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2021-06-03 10:11:09	beauty	hello
2021-06-03 10:11:17	beauty	https://glot.io/snippets/fz7jb3v4zm
2021-06-03 10:11:21	beauty	who can answer the link's question?
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2021-06-03 10:37:40	kriss332	Hello all, I was installing plaso-tools. Dont remember exactly what all I tried. I used pip for installation and apt-get also. Later I removed using apt-get remove. log2timeline.py (which is shipped with plaso-tools) is still there but it complains that plaso distribution was not found and it is required. I also deleted folders from
2021-06-03 10:37:40	kriss332	/usr/local/lib/python3.8/dist-packages . Now how do I do a complete cleanup ?
2021-06-03 10:38:31	kriss332	pip says that plaso-tools is not installed and it doesn't remove it.
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2021-06-03 10:40:38	slayne	kriss332: Have you tried installing it in a virtual enviroment ?
2021-06-03 10:40:57	kriss332	no slayne
2021-06-03 10:41:19	kriss332	I am new to it. Not very familiar now.
2021-06-03 10:42:06	kriss332	should i remove entire python3 first and then reinstall it? I tried, but stopped at a very serious warning.
2021-06-03 10:43:30	slayne	Then, I suggest you look into either venv and try installing the package in there, install plaso-tools directly from Github https://github.com/log2timeline/plaso, you could also try to use apt purge to remove the package if there's still files lying around and reinstall it with pip afterward !
2021-06-03 10:45:53	kriss332	ok thanks slayne. I'll have to read first about venv
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2021-06-03 10:49:03	akk	kriss332: How did you install it with pip? Using sudo, or --user, or what? You can probably find where it is on your system with the locate command, locate plaso
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2021-06-03 10:49:54	akk	and yeah, for future reference, pip works best with a venv, running it other ways can sometimes mess things up, python people tend not to make that clear in the docs.
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2021-06-03 10:50:59	kriss332	akk, here is the output of locate plaso- https://pastebin.com/5P2riD2c
2021-06-03 10:51:58	kriss332	and I dont exactly remember if I used sudo with pip. Maybe I could've been dumb at that time
2021-06-03 10:52:08	akk	kriss332: That looks like plaso is installed from a .deb package, since there are files named /var/lib/dpkg/info/python3-plaso*
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2021-06-03 10:53:41	akk	and since there are files in /var/cache/apt/archives/ it doesn't look like you downloaded a .deb and installed it, it looks like you used apt to install it.
2021-06-03 10:53:56	akk	Try aptitude search plaso (or if you don't have aptitude, apt-cache search plaso)
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2021-06-03 10:54:39	Dresden	Copy and paste fail
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2021-06-03 10:55:27	kriss332	akk, aptitude srach result
2021-06-03 10:55:27	kriss332	aptitude search plaso
2021-06-03 10:55:27	kriss332	p   plaso-data                                          - Data files for plaso (log2timeline)
2021-06-03 10:55:28	kriss332	p   plaso-tools                                         - Tools of plaso (log2timeline)
2021-06-03 10:55:28	kriss332	p   python3-plaso                                       - Python 3 module of plaso (log2timeline)
2021-06-03 10:55:34	akk	or better yet, aptitude show python3-plaso, or aptitude show plaso-tools
2021-06-03 10:55:52	akk	you might have added a repo from which you could apt install it
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2021-06-03 10:57:41	kriss332	aptitude show plaso-tools is here @akk- https://pastebin.com/XWiYfj4V
2021-06-03 10:57:52	beauty	https://glot.io/snippets/fz7jb3v4zm
2021-06-03 10:57:59	beauty	who can answer the link's question?
2021-06-03 10:58:15	DLange	nobody
2021-06-03 10:58:25	DLange	because we don't click random links
2021-06-03 10:58:42	kriss332	ya akk, i used- sudo add-apt-repository ppa:gift/stable
2021-06-03 10:59:11	kriss332	and before that pip didn't show up well, soI used apt
2021-06-03 11:01:08	akk	Hmm. Well, in that case I might be tempted to rm -rf /usr/share/doc/plaso* /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/plaso*
2021-06-03 11:01:16	akk	then start over, either with apt or pip but not both.
2021-06-03 11:01:27	akk	Probably pip in a venv.
2021-06-03 11:01:48	akk	Since it sounds like the version from ppa:gift/stable didn't work for you.
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2021-06-03 11:05:06	kriss332	akk, nothing in /usr/share/doc/plaso and /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/plaso*
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2021-06-03 11:05:36	akk	kriss332: Huh, your paste from locate showed files there. Maybe you haven't run updatedb in a while (the database locate uses).
2021-06-03 11:05:51	kriss332	lemme do that
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2021-06-03 11:11:31	kriss332	locate output here akk - https://pastebin.com/6skd4gBC
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2021-06-03 11:12:41	akk	So, it looks like it's well uninstalled now, there are no plasos any more in python paths like /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages.
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2021-06-03 11:13:28	akk	So now, if you think you want the version from pip rather than the one from that ppa, you can make a venv and install to it.
2021-06-03 11:13:58	akk	What I do: python3 -m venv --system-site-packages ~/my-venv (or whatever you want to name it)
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2021-06-03 11:14:06	kriss332	but see here- https://pastebin.com/yengdTH4
2021-06-03 11:14:26	akk	That uses all my installed python packages (some python people frown on the --system-site-packages thing)
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2021-06-03 11:15:32	akk	well, sure, plaso isn't installed now, so if you try to run something that needs plaso==20210412, you should expect an error.
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2021-06-03 11:15:53	kriss332	yes, but now how do i remove log2timeline ?
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2021-06-03 11:16:30	akk	"which log2timeline.py" will find the one that's in your path and tell you where it is. Or, locate log2timeline.py will find all files with that name on your system.
2021-06-03 11:16:52	kriss332	it is in- /usr/local/bin/log2timeline.py
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2021-06-03 11:17:25	kriss332	So I think I just need to delete this file and install plaso from scratch
2021-06-03 11:18:05	akk	sounds like it
2021-06-03 11:19:20	kriss332	should it be wise to install plaso-tools using apt-get ? I already have repository added
2021-06-03 11:20:16	akk	kriss332: It sounds like you did that before and didn't like the result. But maybe you should try now, see if it works, then if it doesn't, apt remove plaso-tools before doing anything else like pip install.
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2021-06-03 11:21:00	kriss332	got it akk, will update you. Thanks alot for help Sir
2021-06-03 11:21:20	akk	kriss332: Not a sir!
2021-06-03 11:21:44	akk	But you're welcome.
2021-06-03 11:21:45	kriss332	:)  it is mark of gratitude akk
2021-06-03 11:22:14	akk	Calling someone sir without knowing their gender?
2021-06-03 11:22:37	kriss332	oh, I am sorry for that:)
2021-06-03 11:23:03	kriss332	thanks Maam
2021-06-03 11:23:23	kriss332	sometimes, i talk alot:\
2021-06-03 11:23:57	akk	No prob. :) Good luck with the install!
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2021-06-03 11:24:49	Dresden	*Ma'am
2021-06-03 11:24:53	Dresden	Short for Madam
2021-06-03 11:25:12	Dresden	Which is French for ho (Madamme or something)
2021-06-03 11:25:23	kriss332	again, I installed plaso-tools.
2021-06-03 11:25:24	kriss332	bash: /usr/local/bin/log2timeline.py: No such file or directory
2021-06-03 11:25:24	kriss332	But it is there in /usr/bin/log2timeline.py
2021-06-03 11:26:11	kriss332	however /usr/bin is there in my path
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2021-06-03 11:26:22	Dresden	Different file
2021-06-03 11:26:31	Dresden	try hash -r
2021-06-03 11:26:37	Dresden	clear learned paths (basically)
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2021-06-03 11:28:56	kriss332	Dresden, the log2timeline.py autocompletes on terminal, but complains that it is not there in /usr/local/bin/   . But it doesn't search for that file in /usr/bin directory, which is in my PATH. thats strange
2021-06-03 11:29:14	Dresden	kriss332: which log2timeline.py
2021-06-03 11:29:22	Dresden	I'm going to bed now sorry, already up late
2021-06-03 11:29:28	Dresden	Will deal with tomorrow if you're still stuck
2021-06-03 11:29:43	kriss332	NP dresden . Have a good night. I'lll figure it out
2021-06-03 11:29:53	Dresden	Sorry man
2021-06-03 11:29:56	Dresden	Already up way too late
2021-06-03 11:29:59	kriss332	No issues mate
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2021-06-03 11:33:18	akk	kriss332: Agree about rehashing. In tcsh and zsh I do that with "rehash", but maybe "hash -r" is the equivalent in bash.
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2021-06-03 11:33:48	akk	You need to make your shell forget about the log2timeline.py that used to be there, and use the new one that's there now.
2021-06-03 11:34:03	akk	Or else just type the full path, /usr/bin/log2timeline.py
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2021-06-03 11:40:56	kriss332	yeah akk. just opened it from new terminal. It stops nagging me now. Everything running prefevtly. Thanks for all the help :)
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2021-06-03 11:41:42	akk	Yay!
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2021-06-03 11:46:43	Prestige	Attempting to get my printer to scan (using hplip) I get an error: "error: SANE: Error during device I/O (code=9)" perhaps it's a permissions issue?
2021-06-03 11:47:46	akk	It can help to try scanning as root first (sudo sane-find-scanner or similar) to see if it's a permissions issue.
2021-06-03 11:47:59	akk	or just sudo xsane
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2021-06-03 11:48:54	Prestige	Hm starting the systray seems to automatically scan and connect the printer (or something), now it works..
2021-06-03 11:49:16	Prestige	Or rather, is getting me a step further
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2021-06-03 11:56:03	akk	I've noticed that on recent ubuntus, printers and scanners work pretty well via avahi and friends, but if I try to get them working without all the desktop bloatware, it's difficult and flaky.
2021-06-03 11:57:14	akk	So e.g. I can't use cups to add a printer, I have to use the printer that gets autorecognized by avahi each time the printer is turned on.
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2021-06-03 12:22:59	Prestige	had to install a few deps then just run hp-scan and it initiated scanning, not too bad
2021-06-03 12:23:10	Prestige	of course only works for one series of printers
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2021-06-03 12:30:17	swensson	Isn't it possible to use tail -f /var/log/apache/error.log  So the file keeps printing last lines as they get updated?
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2021-06-03 12:32:43	swensson	Seems like my window just frooze, tail -f works fine
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2021-06-03 12:41:49	ananke	swensson: uhmm, that's exactly what tail -f does
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2021-06-03 13:33:45	oxek	questi: if you're using torsocks, it will use a different tor circle each time you run it
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2021-06-03 13:36:01	oxek	maybe you need to use -i flag to torsocks
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2021-06-03 13:36:44	oxek	depends on what you have in your /etc/tor/torsocks.conf
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2021-06-03 13:40:27	lepetiteX	after an update of alsa my sound stopped working. heres a log when i restart the service: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/06b127b7
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2021-06-03 14:07:37	Guest86	I updated alsa and now getting thrown these errors: https://paste.debian.net/plainh/4bf3d188
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2021-06-03 14:31:44	slayne	I started my first job as a Linux Sysadmin and I'm learning so much stuff, my head just might explode :O
2021-06-03 14:34:04	Tinkerer	congratulations
2021-06-03 14:34:06	sorcerer	slayne: what kinda stuff ya learning right now?
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2021-06-03 14:56:04	slayne	sorcerer: Mainly cPanel / WHM stuff, firewall stuff like csf / iptables, also very interesting stuff like Ansible, some bash scripting is involved on certain clients.
2021-06-03 14:56:26	sorcerer	nice
2021-06-03 14:56:28	slayne	Sorry, I'm working at the same time :D
2021-06-03 14:56:32	sorcerer	even tho its alot, it still sounds fun
2021-06-03 14:56:36	sorcerer	but i love learning so ya
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2021-06-03 14:58:01	slayne	Well, there's more, but I like the more hands on stuff, like being connected to the server and verifying where some spam originates from, looking at logs, configuring apache with php & mysql, that kind of stuff !
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2021-06-03 14:59:49	slayne	When I told them I was proficient in Bash Scripting, they handed me a script that connects to a Cisco Switch and toggles a specific port, it used the expect shell, that was fun :)
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2021-06-03 15:01:44	slayne	So I did a bunch of improvements to it, like modify the cypher for ssh when it's not the default one, better logging, ability to deactivate multiple ports on one session.
2021-06-03 15:01:53	slayne	I'm excited really hehe !
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2021-06-03 15:29:39	Gustavo6046	Is there anything akin to per-process network packet priority?
2021-06-03 15:30:28	kfrench	Gustavo6046: I think the process can set them on it's socket fd.  You can match on UID= in iptables, but that's not per-process.
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2021-06-03 15:30:55	Gustavo6046	Ah.
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2021-06-03 15:42:23	MrElendig	tc
2021-06-03 15:42:51	MrElendig	or trickle or anything else that does qdisc/etc
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2021-06-03 15:44:22	kfrench	tc is probably the best way.  I'm afraid the configuration always beats me.
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2021-06-03 16:22:19	IPFreely	sup with freenode? I noticed a few channels are moving away lately due to 'recent events'..?
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2021-06-03 16:22:50	mlu	IPFreely: google it up -- current owners don't seem to understand the community
2021-06-03 16:23:03	mlu	but it's a bunch of politics -- the reality is: both networks will still be around, but different
2021-06-03 16:23:24	IPFreely	Hmm.. there is a fork of freenode or something?
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2021-06-03 16:25:48	mlu	IPFreely: kinda hard to fork a community
2021-06-03 16:26:09	mlu	IPFreely: a bunch of staff resigned in protest and started a new network, and a bunch of people showed up there accordingly
2021-06-03 16:26:19	mlu	many official channels moved too: some to OFTC, some to Libera
2021-06-03 16:26:40	amalek	good take
2021-06-03 16:26:43	IPFreely	I'm surprised how many official channels actually did that.. weird.
2021-06-03 16:26:53	mlu	I've been on Freenode for 18yr and I just show up at both
2021-06-03 16:26:53	amalek	there's an amount of groupthink inolved
2021-06-03 16:27:26	mlu	people show up where they want to show up: and then there's discoverability (i.e. default IRC networks for IRC clients, etc.)
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2021-06-03 16:31:40	manemm	hello
2021-06-03 16:31:51	IPFreely	herro
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2021-06-03 16:36:53	manemm	Im trying to recursively download a web index via wget, i dont want to download .html files, so im using --reject, but this functionality is downloading (at least it is starting the download) and then removing it, the problem is that it is a large index, is there a way of ignoring certain files before downloading it on wget? I hope my english is ok and you can understand it, im also not sure this is the right channel to ask...
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2021-06-03 16:45:26	altwulf	Seems like lots of chat clients are having their default servers point to Libera as well.
2021-06-03 16:45:42	altwulf	Must be some pretty steamy politics going on where Joe Sixpack doesn't see it.
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2021-06-03 17:37:47	xBorus	Hi, is there a way to set the GPG signing key per repositories ? like not having it in global config ?
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2021-06-03 17:39:43	oxek	xBorus: yes
2021-06-03 17:39:56	oxek	at least in debian/apt
2021-06-03 17:40:10	xBorus	I am all hears ?
2021-06-03 17:41:00	oxek	example for wine: the sources.list line will be: deb [ signed-by=/usr/local/share/keyrings/winehq.key ] https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main
2021-06-03 17:41:10	oxek	and you put the gpg key in that location
2021-06-03 17:41:31	oxek	do `man sources.list` for more info
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2021-06-03 17:42:18	oxek	that way, that repository is signed by that key, no other key can sign that repository, and that key can't sign any other repository
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2021-06-03 21:17:17	rackj	if my /etc/fstab has the following options only, "errors=remount-ro", does this mean that TRIM is not enabled for my SSD?
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2021-06-03 21:19:09	rackj	I'm thinking I need to add "discard" to enable TRIM
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2021-06-03 21:26:41	chrisawi	rackj: it's generally recommended to run fstrim periodically (e.g. fstrim.timer) rather than enabling discard in fstab
2021-06-03 21:28:19	rackj	chrisawi: for performance reasons?
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2021-06-03 21:30:31	rascul	"Running fstrim frequently, or even using mount -o discard, might negatively affect the lifetime of poor-quality SSD devices.  For most desktop and server systems a sufficient trimming frequency is once a week.  Note that not all devices support a queued trim, so each trim command incurs a performance penalty on whatever else might be trying to use
2021-06-03 21:30:31	rascul	the disk at the time."
2021-06-03 21:30:38	rascul	from fstrim man page
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2021-06-03 21:51:05	questi	test
2021-06-03 21:51:06	questi	:P
2021-06-03 21:51:07	questi	hehe
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2021-06-03 21:51:21	questi	ice cream lol
2021-06-03 21:51:22	questi	hehe
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2021-06-03 21:51:51	questi	hey goddard :P
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2021-06-03 22:22:29	oops	my vpn have only client-to-server connection and no server-to-client connection , so it always prompt tls handshake failure , i have  allowed 1194/udp open on ufw , and are there any other ways to resolve this issue
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2021-06-03 22:49:11	kerframil	oops: check that :1194 is bound and listening on the correct interface as you assume. make sure that the OUTPUT chain isn't being improperly filtered on the server and make sure that there is no improper packet filtering occurring on any other hosts along the path (including the client).
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2021-06-03 22:55:26	oops	kerframil: the openvpn had worked well only one serveral days ago , i doubt my ISP blocked the income packet , if that true , how to resolve
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2021-06-03 23:07:44	kerframil	oops: I'm not speculating that they have. speculation is not useful in solving networking problems. if you want to _test_ that prospect, use tcpdump to see if the initial packet arrives from the client.
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2021-06-03 23:11:49	oops	kerframil: i don't know how to dectect whether the server packet has arrived client, could you teach me ? my server ip is 104.168.136.44 and tunnel ip is 10.8.0.1
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2021-06-03 23:14:21	kerframil	oops: yes. run something like "tcpdump -i any -n udp port 1194" on the server. you can do the exact same thing on the client to see if packets are flowing in the other direction.
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2021-06-03 23:14:29	kerframil	then try to connect.
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2021-06-03 23:18:49	oops	kerframil: both client and server say has capture size 262144
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2021-06-03 23:20:25	kerframil	ok. and?
2021-06-03 23:21:33	oops	IP 192.168.1.7.42426 > 104.168.136.44.1194: UDP, length 86
2021-06-03 23:21:33	oops	 this is client
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2021-06-03 23:21:54	kerframil	but nothing in return? (<)
2021-06-03 23:22:03	oops	yes
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2021-06-03 23:22:39	oops	client has the same item are "IP 192.168.1.7.42426 > 104.168.136.44.1194: UDP, length 86
2021-06-03 23:23:18	kerframil	not <, actually. what I mean is, for example: 104.168.136.44.1194 > 192.168.1.7.42426
2021-06-03 23:23:21	kerframil	are there no entries like that?
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2021-06-03 23:25:03	oops	this is server side : https://paste.centos.org/view/edc084f3
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2021-06-03 23:25:11	LambdaComplex	anyone used Teleport before? any opinions on it?
2021-06-03 23:25:44	kerframil	oops: so it's trying to respond, at least. what about the client - are there packets originating from the server IP?
2021-06-03 23:26:21	oops	kerframil: this is client side : https://paste.centos.org/view/b539587d
2021-06-03 23:26:26	LambdaComplex	oops: what  VPN is it?
2021-06-03 23:26:55	LambdaComplex	openvpn?
2021-06-03 23:27:01	oops	yes
2021-06-03 23:27:02	kerframil	oops: alright. and just to be sure, is 112.45.241.154 your effective client IP? you can find out by running: curl https://checkip.amazonaws.com at the client.
2021-06-03 23:27:19	oops	it's my client public ip
2021-06-03 23:27:23	kerframil	ok.
2021-06-03 23:27:38	kerframil	so the return packets are being sent but are definitely not making it to the client. that much is clear now.
2021-06-03 23:28:17	oops	yes , the server packet can't reach client , so i guess my ISP blocked it
2021-06-03 23:28:32	LambdaComplex	are you behind CGNAT
2021-06-03 23:28:33	kerframil	oops: I wouldn't draw that conclusion yet.
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2021-06-03 23:29:21	oops	in server side , i set snat , i don't know what is CGNAT means ,
2021-06-03 23:29:28	kerframil	while it's possible, it's a bit too early to reach for that as an explanation.
2021-06-03 23:29:40	ayecee	carrier grade nat
2021-06-03 23:30:13	ayecee	like nat on your home router except all the isp's customers are behind that router too
2021-06-03 23:31:05	kerframil	I wouldn't mind seeing your server ruleset, just to make sure it's not somehow filtering the outgoing traffic.
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2021-06-03 23:34:07	oops	kerframil: this is my saved iptables rules , https://paste.centos.org/view/1c805966
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2021-06-03 23:35:43	kerframil	oops: that's fine. no output filtering going on.
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2021-06-03 23:37:05	kerframil	well. try binding to a different port. one random one above 1024 and you could also try 53 if this server isn't running a DNS service. also, test openvpn as configured to use tcp instead of udp (yes, I know it's worse).
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2021-06-03 23:41:10	oops	kerframil: thank you so much , the most difficult is i can't read openvpn relative essays including official's , thanks
2021-06-03 23:43:23	kerframil	oops: but you know how to switch the protocol between tcp and udp and alter the port, I assume?
2021-06-03 23:44:06	oops	kerframil: yes , i know it
2021-06-03 23:44:09	kerframil	ok.
2021-06-03 23:44:42	shrysr	when i use less to view a file and use & to show me only matching lines - how do I get out of that mode back to the document?
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2021-06-03 23:47:19	shrysr	so I hit &pattern within less and copy a bunch of lines from the document, and then want to return to the document.
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2021-06-03 23:47:45	kerframil	enter an empty pattern
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2021-06-03 23:49:15	shrysr	AHA kerframil. ty. With one modification, apparently I have to hit C-c first and then empty pattern
2021-06-03 23:49:34	shrysr	ctrl + c
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2021-06-03 23:50:09	shrysr	but that was a bit lulzy :) ty.
2021-06-03 23:50:18	kerframil	it shouldn't be necessary. maybe you were in some other mode.
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2021-06-03 23:51:09	shrysr	actually right. I need to do C-c only if I hit j or k after &/pattern
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2021-06-03 23:51:46	kerframil	I can't reproduce that.
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2021-06-04 03:40:47	borisrunak	hello everyone!
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2021-06-04 06:32:03	aditsu	hi, I'm looking for a tool to monitor multiple servers and websites, such as: whether they are up, free disk space, raid status, memory usage, and perhaps some custom scripts; what would you recommend?
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2021-06-04 06:40:07	Xtreme	Hello Everyone, good evening. Can someone suggest me a good centralised Linux management system for managing 50 Linux Workstations?
2021-06-04 06:40:25	Xtreme	Similar to Office 365 E5, but for Linux.
2021-06-04 06:41:02	djph	Xtreme: managing, as in ... updates?
2021-06-04 06:41:16	djph	or user accounts? something else?
2021-06-04 06:41:30	djph	aditsu: maybe something like nagios?
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2021-06-04 06:41:42	Xtreme	Updates, centralised user management, group policies,  Backups etc.
2021-06-04 06:42:07	Xtreme	Somethings on the lines of https://fogproject.org/ but more mature and robust.
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2021-06-04 06:42:36	djph	user management -> ldap.  updates -> cronjobs probably.  "group policies" -- errr.  Backups -> cronjobs
2021-06-04 06:43:03	Xtreme	djph, as mentioned. a centralised solution. Like office 365 E5 for windows.
2021-06-04 06:43:12	aditsu	djph: nagios or icinga? :)
2021-06-04 06:43:54	djph	Xtreme: there isn't the same thing as AD in Linux.  Not everything is going to be that tightly integrated
2021-06-04 06:44:16	Xtreme	djph, even a paid solution is totally fine. Its for an ISO 27k1 implementation in an IT company.
2021-06-04 06:44:35	Xtreme	djph, yeah. But AD is not the only thing we are looking for.
2021-06-04 06:45:04	Xtreme	For AD, there are freeIPA, OpenLDAP
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2021-06-04 06:58:00	arash	how can i remove all files with specific extension from all subdirectories ? rm -rf *.mp3 don't do that
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2021-06-04 07:03:27	Xtreme	arash, find, exec, rm
2021-06-04 07:04:08	oxek	arash: find <some path here> -iname '*.mp3' -delete
2021-06-04 07:04:22	oxek	be very careful with it
2021-06-04 07:05:14	jjakob	freeipa is nice, I use it
2021-06-04 07:05:20	jjakob	Xtreme:
2021-06-04 07:05:23	koollman	maybe add -delete later, once you are sure it lists only stuff you want to remove
2021-06-04 07:05:24	arash	oxek, thank you, what is i option for ?
2021-06-04 07:05:44	jjakob	that's only for AAA and DNS and a CA
2021-06-04 07:05:45	oxek	arash: so that it matches *.MP3 and *.mp3 and *.Mp3
2021-06-04 07:05:56	oxek	ignore case
2021-06-04 07:06:01	arash	oxek, aha, thank you
2021-06-04 07:06:07	jjakob	for monitoring you need something else and for backups you need something else
2021-06-04 07:06:11	oxek	`man find` should give you all the info you need
2021-06-04 07:06:27	jjakob	sucks that freeipa-client needs systemd cause I'd want to use more devuan everywhere...
2021-06-04 07:06:53	oxek	also `man find` is probably what yoda does when trying to get a date
2021-06-04 07:07:30	jjakob	for backups I made a go program that ssh's sequentially to servers firing off one-shot ssh keys with borg backup
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2021-06-04 07:07:53	jjakob	so I don't have multiple backups going at the same time, they fire sequentially
2021-06-04 07:08:00	jjakob	and it emails me all the logs in one mail
2021-06-04 07:08:07	djph	jjakob: now that's nice.
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2021-06-04 07:09:00	jjakob	I've been wanting to publish it when I get the time
2021-06-04 07:09:19	jjakob	I worked out most bugs now
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2021-06-04 07:10:22	jjakob	if I were doing it again, I'd do it in shell
2021-06-04 07:10:43	jjakob	my go love has been soured by their political virtue signalling
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2021-06-04 07:26:32	arash	when i type man something , how can i search for a word in that page ?
2021-06-04 07:26:43	TomyWork	jjakob, well they're doing the best they can in their situation. it's not like they, as software developers, as opposed to politicians with actual power to change anything, can do more than express their support and spread the message.
2021-06-04 07:27:00	TomyWork	arash, type a slash ("/")
2021-06-04 07:27:19	TomyWork	that opens the search. it supports regular expressions
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2021-06-04 08:22:17	TR2990WX	hi, I am trying to add this to the sudoer file but there is a syntax error. I don't know what is wrong:
2021-06-04 08:22:24	TR2990WX	myuser ALL=(gcloud) NOPASSWD:KUBECONFIG=/home/gcloud/.kube/config GOOGLE_APPLICATION_CREDENTIALS=/home/gcloud/test@test.iam.gserviceaccount.com /usr/bin/kubectl
2021-06-04 08:22:36	TR2990WX	so I am trying to pass the env vars to kubectl command
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2021-06-04 08:29:25	rascul	pass the variables on the command line, sudoers doesn't handle that on a per command basis
2021-06-04 08:29:36	rascul	sudoers is also not a place to specify variables
2021-06-04 08:30:03	rascul	might be you'll want to create a wrapper script and use sudo to call the wrapper
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2021-06-04 08:31:03	rascul	it's the wrong syntax because sudo is expecting certain things in sudoers and you're giving it garbage like KUBECONFIG and GOOGLE_APPLICATION_CREDENTIALS
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2021-06-04 08:32:40	rascul	oh it was already answered with no response on the other network, with effectively the same answer, and with no response
2021-06-04 08:32:47	rascul	heh i said no response twice
2021-06-04 08:33:09	qqqhhh	hello i am thinking about using dm-integrity on top of an mdadm mirror. will dm-integrity be able to read from the second drive if the read on the first drive returns invalid checksum? or do i need to put the mdadm mirror on top of 2 separate dm-integrity devices? thanks.
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2021-06-04 09:18:03	jjakob	qqqhhh: ask in #linux-raid or maybe on libera
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2021-06-04 09:36:47	qqqhhh	jjakob: thanks
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2021-06-04 09:44:01	cuppajoeman	Hi. I installed spotify through my package manager, when I run it in the terminal, I get this output: https://paste.rs/Am3, and the application runs, but when I run it from the menu it opens momentarily and just crashes
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2021-06-04 09:44:16	cuppajoeman	This is on manjaro xfce
2021-06-04 09:44:37	cuppajoeman	I'm confused because I thought running it through the menu would just run it like I was in the terminal
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2021-06-04 09:52:51	rindolf	pulse: hi, how are you?
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2021-06-04 09:56:10	rindolf	shabbath shalom, everybrony
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2021-06-04 10:21:32	Vaastaf	Guyys having trouble with my wifi.. after i cloned my ssd.
2021-06-04 10:22:19	Vaastaf	I have tried every solution i could find. But nothing helps.  Somebody can help me?
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2021-06-04 10:25:12	Vaastaf	Can someone read me?
2021-06-04 10:25:24	Vaastaf	Or did i login incorrectly.
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2021-06-04 10:32:25	Vaastaf	Hello?
2021-06-04 10:32:53	Vaastaf	1131 poeple and nobody respondng?
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2021-06-04 10:37:15	Vaastaf	hello?
2021-06-04 10:37:32	Vaastaf	Hello?
2021-06-04 10:37:33	Vaastaf	Hello?
2021-06-04 10:37:33	Vaastaf	Hello?
2021-06-04 10:37:33	Vaastaf	Hello?
2021-06-04 10:37:34	Vaastaf	Hello?
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2021-06-04 10:38:49	oxek	Sigyn: botsnack
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2021-06-04 10:43:01	farkaan	Question, has this channel planned to move somewhere?
2021-06-04 10:43:37	farkaan	It's been quite a while since I used IRC but I'm told that Freenode is over
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2021-06-04 10:43:43	oxek	read /topic
2021-06-04 10:44:26	farkaan	Still against the forum initialisms lol, some things never change
2021-06-04 10:45:05	oxek	"laughing out loud" not 'lol'
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2021-06-04 10:47:28	farkaan	touché
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2021-06-04 11:11:55	thatpythonboy	nmap --localnet ... what's the option to find available networks , if possible hidden ones as well
2021-06-04 11:12:16	thatpythonboy	arp-scan --localnet works but with nmap i am trying
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2021-06-04 11:14:26	ananke	sniff the traffic, see if anything pops up, though it's still not guaranteed to find all possible ones
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2021-06-04 11:17:44	 *	ayecee puts the traffic in a bag and inhales
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2021-06-04 11:37:17	kfrench	ayecee: Hard core
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2021-06-04 11:38:29	oxek	you guys... uhhhhhh.... have some of that..... trafffffic?
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2021-06-04 11:51:12	popsch	how come, this does not freeze up my computer for 10 seconds? It should run stress for 10 seconds without preemption on all cores: schedtool -M SCHED_FF  -e stress --cpu $(nproc) -t 10
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2021-06-04 11:51:23	Thanatos	Hello everyone.
2021-06-04 11:51:59	Thanatos	How do I get precompiled binaries of packages that I'd normally install using apt/yum?
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2021-06-04 11:56:45	kfrench	Thanatos: yum --downloadonly
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2021-06-04 11:58:07	Thanatos	Here's the deal. I'm a server environment. I don't have permission to use yum. I just want to run the program in a separate environment
2021-06-04 11:58:47	kfrench	Thanatos: Then use a computer where you do have permission to use yum.
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2021-06-04 12:16:52	triceratux	Thanatos: in that situation i always just take the stuff from the web http://mirror.yandex.ru/fedora/linux/releases/34/Everything/x86_64/os/Packages/
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2021-06-04 12:47:24	Thanatos	triceratux, Thanks. That's exactly what I needed.
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2021-06-04 12:48:05	Thanatos	kfrench, by separate environment, I meant separate user account space. Sorry for the confusion.
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2021-06-04 12:49:52	Thanatos	What's the difference between .rpm and something like what mozilla releases
2021-06-04 12:50:11	Thanatos	The tar/bz2 releases I mean
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2021-06-04 12:50:38	kfrench	The rpm will be built for and tuned for the specific OS.  What mozilla releases is OS agnostic.
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2021-06-04 12:50:47	acresearch	people, is there a way to connect to a wifi from the terminal? i have a raspberry pi lite with only the terminal how can i connect to the wifi?
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2021-06-04 12:52:20	cuppajoeman	https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/wireless/wireless-cli.md
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2021-06-04 12:52:33	Thanatos	I mean I can just decompress mozilla's tar release and run it directly from the extraction folder. How can I do the same for a .rpm release?
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2021-06-04 12:52:36	cuppajoeman	first thing on google
2021-06-04 12:53:06	triceratux	Thanatos: rpms are a cpio archive. you need something like: command -v bsdtar && bsdtar -xf - <${DIR}/$1 || rpm2cpio ${DIR}/$1 | cpio -idm
2021-06-04 12:53:58	triceratux	bsdtar understands them natively for some reason :)
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2021-06-04 12:57:14	JimmyNeutron	Using CLI, is there an easier way to determine which network interface name belongs to which NIC?
2021-06-04 12:57:16	JimmyNeutron	Ex. I have wlan0 and wlan1.  I want to know if wlan0 is the built-in NIC or the USB-to-NIC
2021-06-04 12:57:18	JimmyNeutron	Right now, I'm catting cat /sys/class/net/wlan0/address and looking at the MAC address
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2021-06-04 12:57:42	kfrench	JimmyNeutron: Maybe ethtool -i wlan0
2021-06-04 12:58:41	JimmyNeutron	kfrench: Thanks!  That shows the driver but in some cases, it may be the same driver for both WLAN#.
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2021-06-04 12:58:48	BCMM	JimmyNeutron: `ip a` (or `ifconfig` if you're old-fashioned) will both show the MAC address for each interface name
2021-06-04 12:58:56	JimmyNeutron	Especially if I have two usb-2-nic adapter from the same compawny.
2021-06-04 12:59:20	kfrench	JimmyNeutron: If you have almost identical hardware, then the only difference will be the MAC.
2021-06-04 12:59:28	BCMM	JimmyNeutron: are you just trying to check the MAC address, or is there some other aspect that you're using to identify the devices?
2021-06-04 12:59:50	JimmyNeutron	BCMM: I'm trying to identify which network name belongs to which NIC
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2021-06-04 13:00:35	JimmyNeutron	and sometime I don't know which MAC belongs to which one because I can have multiple USB-2-NIC adapter from the same vendor.
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2021-06-04 13:01:21	BCMM	JimmyNeutron: i guess if you don't know the mac addresses, and the devices are otherwise identical, you'll just have to unplug one of them
2021-06-04 13:01:40	BCMM	or send some traffic and watch the link lights blinking, if they have lights
2021-06-04 13:01:54	JimmyNeutron	BCMM: I wish I could do that or disconnect the  cable, but then that will bring down the services.
2021-06-04 13:02:02	JimmyNeutron	Then peole will start screaming. :D
2021-06-04 13:02:03	BCMM	JimmyNeutron: do they have lights?
2021-06-04 13:02:34	BCMM	like, little lights that blink when packets go through the interface?
2021-06-04 13:02:50	JimmyNeutron	Yes, but the location of the server is remote.
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2021-06-04 13:03:14	JimmyNeutron	So I can't just get up and go look at the port led lights
2021-06-04 13:04:16	BCMM	JimmyNeutron: i'm a bit confused at this point. you're already sorted out for the case of built-in vs USB, right?
2021-06-04 13:04:40	BCMM	and the remaining problem is just how to tell two devices apart if they're basically identical in every way?
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2021-06-04 13:04:56	JimmyNeutron	BCMM: Correct
2021-06-04 13:05:07	JimmyNeutron	Vendor Part of the MAC address is the same
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2021-06-04 13:05:21	BCMM	i guess the bit i'm not getting is *why*
2021-06-04 13:05:32	BCMM	i mean if you do not know anything that makes these different, why do you need to tell them apart?
2021-06-04 13:05:40	kfrench	If they are online, then just look at the IP address.
2021-06-04 13:05:58	BCMM	like, for example, complete the following: "i want to know which of the network devices is ..."
2021-06-04 13:06:30	acresearch	cuppajoeman: wow, this is very complicated, isn't there an easier way? something that is similar to a GUI app but in a CLI?
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2021-06-04 13:07:51	cuppajoeman	Yeah, usually I would use nm-tui
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2021-06-04 13:07:55	JimmyNeutron	BCMM: True.  Maybe I'm making something that isn't a problem a problem . LOL
2021-06-04 13:08:02	cuppajoeman	I'm not to sure what the rpi comes with though
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2021-06-04 13:08:47	cuppajoeman	It's probably the case that you need wifi to get the thing that would give you a gui interface to connect to wifi
2021-06-04 13:08:56	BCMM	JimmyNeutron: seems to me that, in situations where it matters, something would present itself. like the devices being connected to two different networks
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2021-06-04 13:09:28	JimmyNeutron	BCMM: Yes, they are connected to two different subnet
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2021-06-04 13:09:49	JimmyNeutron	One is on 192.168.100./24 and another is on 192.168.200.0/24
2021-06-04 13:10:24	cuppajoeman	acresearch it shouldn't be that complicated though, make the file with ssid and password then just reconfigure the interface using the command they gave?
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2021-06-04 13:11:00	cuppajoeman	alot of the extra text is just describing ways to get the passphrase into the file more securely
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2021-06-04 13:12:16	Gustavo6046	kfrench: there are many devices at home that are connected to the wifi network, even further from the router than my PC
2021-06-04 13:12:28	Gustavo6046	but the only one that has issues is mine
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2021-06-04 13:12:41	Gustavo6046	that has such packet loss to gateway and such
2021-06-04 13:12:48	Gustavo6046	so wireless is not to blame
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2021-06-04 13:13:09	Gustavo6046	it's probably either the broadcom card or an issue that resides entirely in software
2021-06-04 13:13:13	Gustavo6046	I already set power_save to off in the phy
2021-06-04 13:13:16	cuppajoeman	acresearch: Try that out and see if it works
2021-06-04 13:13:45	kfrench	Gustavo6046: Or interference that's really close to your computer.
2021-06-04 13:13:45	Gustavo6046	It could be iwd's fault
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2021-06-04 13:13:47	Gustavo6046	I'll try to swap to wpa_supplicant, dhclient and NetworkManager
2021-06-04 13:13:47	Gustavo6046	I mean dhcpcd
2021-06-04 13:14:27	kfrench	You could still try to tether to someone's phone and have the phone next to your computer.
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2021-06-04 13:14:35	kfrench	Or you could run an ethernet cable
2021-06-04 13:15:10	kfrench	Or move your computer somewhere else
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2021-06-04 13:16:16	kfrench	run an ethernet cable to your dad's laptop (which could sit right next to your computer)
2021-06-04 13:16:29	Gustavo6046	kfrench: I don't think it is interference
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2021-06-04 13:17:04	acresearch	cuppajoeman: ok let me try
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2021-06-04 14:03:47	acresearch	cuppajoeman: ok i got it working :)  thanks
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2021-06-04 14:05:21	cuppajoeman	great!
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2021-06-04 14:19:26	Gustavo6046	WHOA
2021-06-04 14:19:29	Gustavo6046	my connection speed is good again
2021-06-04 14:19:31	Gustavo6046	oops
2021-06-04 14:19:33	Gustavo6046	wrong channel
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2021-06-04 15:08:12	Kerberos88	hey everyone
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2021-06-04 15:13:51	cr4sh	Is there https://openhardwaremonitor.org/ equivalent on linux? A tool to measure electricity consumed by all the parts on a computer?
2021-06-04 15:14:46	ayecee	this program doesn't seem to do that
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2021-06-04 15:15:33	ayecee	however there's the "sensors" program and various front-ends that read the sensor values, and the powertop program that can report on power usage to some degree
2021-06-04 15:15:35	operational	no..
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2021-06-04 15:16:10	ayecee	cr4sh: but also this program you linked to is available for linux.
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2021-06-04 15:19:51	cr4sh	Thanks ayecee!
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2021-06-04 15:44:27	Prestige	Anyone having issues with google meet on firefox recently? Seems to freeze after just a few seconds, every time. Was working before firefox 89
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2021-06-04 15:50:48	oxek	Prestige: there are lots of issues with ff90, give it time or upgrade to ESR versions
2021-06-04 15:51:27	Prestige	just to clarify I'm on 89 right now but I'll check out ESR, thanks
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2021-06-04 16:30:02	Thanatos	Hello everyone
2021-06-04 16:30:23	Prestige	sup Thanatos
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2021-06-04 16:34:21	Thanatos	I'm good.
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2021-06-04 19:26:43	oxek	rascul: what happens at the tipping point? Everyone gets banned? Kicked out?
2021-06-04 19:27:49	rascul	the point tips
2021-06-04 19:27:56	rascul	that's all
2021-06-04 19:29:09	ayecee	stay tuned
2021-06-04 19:29:26	oxek	I hope we'll have a happy hour where we can use all the SMS we want :)
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2021-06-04 19:29:36	oxek	in fact, we should have that anyway
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2021-06-04 19:29:43	oxek	an hour every friday
2021-06-04 19:30:48	ayecee	be the change you want to see in the world
2021-06-04 19:31:01	rascul	just do it now
2021-06-04 19:31:01	ayecee	but, like, watch out for other people being the change they want to see
2021-06-04 19:31:06	rascul	rules are meant to be broken
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2021-06-04 19:31:40	oxek	this channel has changed a lot in the past week, I don't even know if any of the rules really apply anymore
2021-06-04 19:31:57	rascul	did they ever?
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2021-06-04 19:32:10	oxek	it's still somewhat fun to be in here... the same way as listen to the music on the titanic while it is sinking
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2021-06-04 19:32:37	oxek	rascul: remember sauvin?
2021-06-04 19:32:47	rascul	what's a sauvin?
2021-06-04 19:32:49	oxek	the rules applied when sauvin was actively around
2021-06-04 19:32:51	ayecee	rumor has it he still exists
2021-06-04 19:33:03	rascul	are you sure sauvin isn't still around though?
2021-06-04 19:33:32	ayecee	can't be. /whois sauvin doesn't return anything.
2021-06-04 19:33:32	oxek	I'd hope sauvin still exists, the world would be a little bit sadder without him around
2021-06-04 19:33:45	rascul	maybe he's around in spirit
2021-06-04 19:33:54	ayecee	he'd be a little bit sadder about that too
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2021-06-04 19:33:58	rascul	i'm not sure how irc spirits work, though
2021-06-04 19:34:04	rascul	i don't recall seeing them in the rfc
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2021-06-04 19:34:21	oxek	how IRC spirits work? Ask them, there should be at least 50k of them on freenode now.
2021-06-04 19:34:29	oxek	I think they just ignore you and that's all they do
2021-06-04 19:34:39	oxek	maybe they cause netsplits too, who knows
2021-06-04 19:34:48	rascul	are you a spirit?
2021-06-04 19:34:51	ayecee	pretty sure that's backhoes
2021-06-04 19:35:00	rascul	backhoes are the worst
2021-06-04 19:35:05	oxek	rascul: not yet, but you could probably distill me into one
2021-06-04 19:35:07	rascul	fronthoes are vastly superior
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2021-06-04 19:36:32	ayecee	hard to see while you're driving them though
2021-06-04 19:36:38	ayecee	guess you can drive them backwards
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2021-06-04 19:46:07	sysRPL	i just installed windows 10 on a computer i intend to sell ... now i am thinking about all the wasted cpu cycles and ram windows brings along
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2021-06-04 19:46:26	sysRPL	the unresponsiveness of it
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2021-06-04 20:09:45	danieldg	sysRPL: there are more depressing wasted cpu cycles, like all the ones used by browsers showing ads or mining *coins
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2021-06-04 21:57:18	Gustavo6046	Hey! Testing the vim irc client thingy
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2021-06-04 21:58:14	Gustavo6046	^C^C^C^C^\^\quit^B:quit^Cq^Mqqq^B^\^B^B
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2021-06-04 21:58:23	Gustavo6046	aw drat.
2021-06-04 21:58:39	Gustavo6046	(also, wrong network again, double oops)
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2021-06-04 22:01:43	rascul	get off my network
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2021-06-04 22:09:04	foodSurprise	can anyone help me debug a makefile?
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2021-06-04 22:14:10	markors9	https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html
2021-06-04 22:14:48	markors9	wont you guys move to that server?
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2021-06-04 22:28:30	jessia	how do flash iso with dd
2021-06-04 22:29:39	Nickwiz	Unbutton the coat
2021-06-04 22:29:50	jessia	?
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2021-06-04 22:31:02	jessia	dd if=<path to iso> of=/home/jessia/flash ?
2021-06-04 22:33:59	Nickwiz	You want to flash a usb stick from an ISO?
2021-06-04 22:34:32	jessia	yep
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2021-06-04 22:36:59	jessia	sooo....?
2021-06-04 22:37:17	jessia	>dd if=<path to iso> of=/home/jessia/flash ? ?
2021-06-04 22:37:24	Nickwiz	With dd you would have to write to the device, not the mount point
2021-06-04 22:37:46	Nickwiz	and add conv=fdatasync
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2021-06-04 22:38:25	jessia	dd if=<path to iso> of=/dev/sdc conv=fdatasync ?
2021-06-04 22:38:57	Nickwiz	Something like dd if=/path/to/disk.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M conv=fdatasync
2021-06-04 22:39:25	jessia	what does the last 2 args mean?
2021-06-04 22:40:32	Nickwiz	bs is block size
2021-06-04 22:41:57	Nickwiz	Not really needed, conv=fdatasyn is more important as it "physically write output file data before finishing"
2021-06-04 22:42:23	jessia	meaning?
2021-06-04 22:42:53	rindolf	hi all! https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/1401006066037579780
2021-06-04 22:43:04	jessia	i saw people putting ''&& sync" in afner the command
2021-06-04 22:43:30	rindolf	NEED moar bots
2021-06-04 22:43:41	jessia	rindolf: smth we have to read or shameless self advertising?
2021-06-04 22:43:54	rindolf	jessia: both!
2021-06-04 22:43:59	Nickwiz	As it does not bypass kernel caches. When you write to a disk the data can remain in cache (ram)
2021-06-04 22:44:08	rindolf	bitch
2021-06-04 22:44:49	rindolf	«What the fuck is wrong w u people? Why do I feel like I'm the smartest hacker in this 'hell hole', eg: https://shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/ . There is a limit to me being mr. nice. I am rindolf and i'm your messiah! Reply / retweet / like or you'll be screwed [by karma, not by me directly]»
2021-06-04 22:45:07	rindolf	for the rec
2021-06-04 22:46:06	Nickwiz	sync does not always do, depends on various factors. echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches does it though
2021-06-04 22:47:14	jessia	Nickwiz: also do i need to do anything before like formating it oc whatever?
2021-06-04 22:48:01	rindolf	Arnold will have nothing on me as a terminator: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Terminator/Liberation/ongoing-text.html
2021-06-04 22:48:06	Nickwiz	jessia: No. You wipe the USB medium when dd'ing to it. The data from the ISO has the "formatting" etc.
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2021-06-04 22:49:20	jessia	 dd if=/path/to/disk.iso of=/dev/sdX bs=4M conv=fdatasync && echo 1 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches ?
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2021-06-04 22:50:22	Nickwiz	Believe conv=fdatasync is enough.
2021-06-04 22:50:42	jessia	okay
2021-06-04 22:51:23	jessia	unrelated question what does dd stand for?
2021-06-04 22:51:59	 *	rindolf channels his inner Emma Watson - and trust me - she can hurt
2021-06-04 22:52:31	Nickwiz	.. copy and convert :P
2021-06-04 22:52:33	rindolf	jessia: disk dump?
2021-06-04 22:52:47	rindolf	data dump?
2021-06-04 22:52:59	Nickwiz	It is an old tool, you can find it on oldest unixes back to the 70's
2021-06-04 22:53:23	jessia	DISK DISTROYER
2021-06-04 22:53:35	Nickwiz	no, copy and convert. But cc was taken for compiling c-code
2021-06-04 22:53:47	rindolf	jessia: amen
2021-06-04 22:54:05	jessia	lmao
2021-06-04 22:54:39	jessia	data definition?
2021-06-04 22:54:51	rindolf	jessia: use any mnemonic you like
2021-06-04 22:55:04	jessia	big Ds
2021-06-04 22:55:26	Nickwiz	dd "convert and copy file", from the UNIX programmers manual 1972
2021-06-04 22:55:41	akoana	"dd was always named after JCL dd cards", Dennis Ritchie (https://groups.google.com/g/alt.folklore.computers/c/HAWoZ8g-xYk/m/HDUVxwTVLKAJ)
2021-06-04 22:55:56	akoana	(data definition)
2021-06-04 22:55:59	rindolf	jessia: it's not as if 'cat' meows...
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2021-06-04 22:56:14	jessia	why not cc then?
2021-06-04 22:56:24	Nickwiz	Double D. That was why I said unbutton the coat when asking about flashing an ISO.
2021-06-04 22:56:32	Nickwiz	Because cc is the c-comiler
2021-06-04 22:56:39	Nickwiz	compiler even
2021-06-04 22:57:14	rindolf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEa6jZv-Khc - hero cat
2021-06-04 22:57:49	jessia	>it's not as if 'cat' meows... , on my system it does
2021-06-04 22:58:17	jessia	actually that would be cool
2021-06-04 22:58:31	rascul	comilers are the worst
2021-06-04 22:59:33	rindolf	jessia: heh
2021-06-04 23:00:00	Nickwiz	akoana: Interesting, have heard it was "copy and convert", but cant argue with Dennis on that.
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2021-06-04 23:00:15	rindolf	rascul: we need them though
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2021-06-04 23:01:00	akoana	Nickwiz: I remember it faintly, something like /sysin dd ...
2021-06-04 23:01:35	rindolf	rascul: wordperfect tanked cuz it was written in assembly
2021-06-04 23:02:15	 *	[R] compiles rascul 
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2021-06-04 23:04:38	akoana	Nickwiz: https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.1.0?topic=sds-sysin-dd-statement
2021-06-04 23:05:26	rindolf	these days you should write stuff in python/etc first - even as a prototype
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2021-06-04 23:06:52	rascul	you can if you want to but i don't bother using a language i have little use for and barely remember
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2021-06-04 23:41:16	Nickwiz	akoana: Nice, I read further here http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/360/os/cobol/GC28-6396-5_IBM_OS_Full_American_National_Standard_COBOL_Jun75.pdf
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2021-06-04 23:42:27	rascul	akoana isn't here
2021-06-04 23:43:34	Nickwiz	darn filters :P
2021-06-04 23:43:41	Nickwiz	Need to tune it
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2021-06-05 00:04:43	rindolf	rascul: https://thedailywtf.com/articles/The_UNIX_Philosophy - 'shaved 75 minutes' :P
2021-06-05 00:06:08	rascul	rindolf perl is the worst though
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2021-06-05 00:08:21	Dresden	rascul: taste my PHP
2021-06-05 00:08:41	rascul	no
2021-06-05 00:08:46	rascul	harry
2021-06-05 00:09:45	Nickwiz	Yes, perl is nice.
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2021-06-05 00:13:50	rindolf	rascul: harry?
2021-06-05 00:14:00	rascul	dresden
2021-06-05 00:14:33	rascul	from chicago
2021-06-05 00:14:40	rindolf	rascul: awk is worse than p5
2021-06-05 00:14:55	rascul	i'd rather awk than perl whenever i can
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2021-06-05 00:17:11	rindolf	rascul: ok... https://shlomifish.livejournal.com/1991.html Sherlock Holmes about the Awk Programming Language - Unarmed but still Dangerous — LiveJournal
2021-06-05 00:17:43	rascul	sherlock holmes' words on programming languages don't interest me
2021-06-05 00:18:01	Dresden	rascul: what's up?
2021-06-05 00:18:07	Dresden	rindolf: awk has uses
2021-06-05 00:18:13	Dresden	But it's nasty when it outgrows them
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2021-06-05 00:19:05	rindolf	Dresden: true
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2021-06-05 00:20:16	rascul	Dresden if you're not familiar with harry dresden from chicago then perhaps i'm thinking of someone else
2021-06-05 00:20:33	sumthing1980	anyone informed about btrfs here?
2021-06-05 00:20:38	rindolf	rascul: then it's a zero-respect relationship
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2021-06-05 00:20:56	sumthing1980	is there something special about btrfs block sizes?
2021-06-05 00:21:27	rascul	i respect everyone the same so from my perspective everyone gets zero respect which is effectively the same as <any arbitrary number> respect
2021-06-05 00:21:37	rindolf	sherlock holmes is a cult classic
2021-06-05 00:21:46	rascul	i'm not in the cult
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2021-06-05 00:22:44	rascul	i read a few of the books back in the day though
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2021-06-05 00:22:52	rascul	seems unlikely that i'll do it again
2021-06-05 00:23:09	rascul	but anything is possible, i guess
2021-06-05 00:23:23	Dresden	rascul: ...no
2021-06-05 00:23:33	Dresden	But like I get that a lot when people find out I'm British
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2021-06-05 00:23:39	Dresden	"YOU MUST KNOW STEVE! HE'S ALSO BRITISH!"
2021-06-05 00:23:59	orbur74	lol
2021-06-05 00:24:58	Dresden	"Steve accused me of rape and stole my dog, so he's not the good guy you think he is"
2021-06-05 00:25:00	Dresden	End of convo
2021-06-05 00:25:49	rascul	Dresden  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dresden_Files
2021-06-05 00:26:09	Dresden	rascul: if my name were Steve, would you be telling me of other Steves?
2021-06-05 00:26:41	rascul	probably not
2021-06-05 00:26:53	rascul	we could maybe try it tomorrow, though
2021-06-05 00:27:46	rascul	i do know of some interesting steves, though
2021-06-05 00:28:04	rascul	would you like to hear about one of them?
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2021-06-05 00:30:30	Dresden	Heh
2021-06-05 00:30:31	Dresden	No
2021-06-05 00:31:03	foobaru	is #gentoo closed? says im banned for some weird reason.
2021-06-05 00:31:23	Dresden	foobaru: try "/join ##gentoo"
2021-06-05 00:31:26	Dresden	I got redirected
2021-06-05 00:31:39	foobaru	Dresden: thanks
2021-06-05 00:32:02	rascul	official gentoo irc has moved to libera
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2021-06-05 00:37:05	jim	foobaru, the gentoo folks are saying that freenode staff, in a hostile takeover action, has closed several of their channels, and they say that the "official" gentoo irc presence is on libera
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2021-06-05 00:46:13	rindolf	this whole libera.chat schizm is pointless: https://github.com/shlomif/shlomif-tech-diary/blob/master/why-the-so-called-real-world-i-am-trapped-in-makes-little-sense--2020-05-19.asciidoc#user-content-improve_freenode
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2021-06-05 00:54:51	ackroydai	I hope this channel stays active
2021-06-05 00:55:00	Prestige	It will
2021-06-05 00:55:04	Prestige	hi rindolf
2021-06-05 00:55:27	ackroydai	I'm glad to hear it
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2021-06-05 01:08:16	rindolf	Prestige: hey
2021-06-05 01:08:24	Prestige	What's up?
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2021-06-05 01:09:23	rindolf	Prestige:  https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/1401006066037579780
2021-06-05 01:09:59	rindolf	Prestige: unleashed my inner sith
2021-06-05 01:10:54	rindolf	Arnold will have nothing on me as a terminator: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Terminator/Liberation/ongoing-text.html
2021-06-05 01:11:06	Prestige	You're the smartest hacker?
2021-06-05 01:11:50	rindolf	Prestige: on freenode at least
2021-06-05 01:13:38	rindolf	Prestige: but summer glau gave me a run for my money; https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Summerschool-at-the-NSA/
2021-06-05 01:15:27	rindolf	https://github.com/shlomif/shlomif-tech-diary/blob/master/my-candidates-for-terran-leadership.asciidoc - and otthers
2021-06-05 01:16:40	rindolf	Prestige: how are you?
2021-06-05 01:17:07	Prestige	Great, my game engine is coming along. Hbu?
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2021-06-05 01:17:45	rindolf	Prestige: ppl will fear me
2021-06-05 01:18:14	Prestige	they already do
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2021-06-05 01:19:11	rindolf	Prestige: good! http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Encourage_criticism_and_try_to_get_offended/
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2021-06-05 01:20:55	rindolf	Prestige: i'm seeking ppl who intimidate and scare me.
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2021-06-05 01:23:04	rindolf	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZLwtc9x4yA - why i despise anime heads
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2021-06-05 01:46:23	rindolf	Prestige: thanks for ur help
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2021-06-05 01:47:14	jim	rindolf, please be careful with ur and other abbreviations
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2021-06-05 01:49:25	altwulf	That's not "abbreviation". That's SMS. }:<
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2021-06-05 01:50:41	NGC3982	im on ubuntu 20.04 using chrome, and when i use the save as dialogue it doesnt see my smb shares mounted in /etc/fstab
2021-06-05 01:50:55	NGC3982	the mounts are accessible in the normal file manager
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2021-06-05 01:51:10	NGC3982	this was actually a bit challenging to google, so im unsure what i can do to fix it
2021-06-05 01:52:06	jim	well let's see if you can see the dirs in the shares... can you open a dir in this file manager?
2021-06-05 01:52:20	NGC3982	yes
2021-06-05 01:52:27	NGC3982	read, write, transfer files, etc
2021-06-05 01:52:34	jim	if so, can you try opening one of the share mount points?
2021-06-05 01:52:37	NGC3982	in the save as dialogue they are not visible
2021-06-05 01:52:55	Prestige	rindolf: any time
2021-06-05 01:52:58	NGC3982	jim: yes
2021-06-05 01:53:22	jim	ok, and when you do that, do you see the files and dirs in that share?
2021-06-05 01:53:28	NGC3982	yes
2021-06-05 01:54:15	jim	ok, so it's not like the file manager is -blocking- access to the share, it's just not showing the mount point?
2021-06-05 01:54:36	NGC3982	oh, i dont think i did what you asked me to
2021-06-05 01:54:52	jim	ok :)
2021-06-05 01:55:40	jim	I mean you don't have to or anything... and, it would help to see where the breakage is
2021-06-05 01:56:32	NGC3982	if i right click a file on a web site i get the save as dialogue. in that window i have the normal "quick links" to the left and its not containing the shares i normally see in the same place if i use the ubuntu file namanger
2021-06-05 01:56:44	NGC3982	oh
2021-06-05 01:56:46	NGC3982	ah.
2021-06-05 01:57:14	NGC3982	on this laptop the share is mounted to my home directory. if i - in the save as dialogue - navigate to my home dir i can access the share from there, no problem
2021-06-05 01:57:40	NGC3982	still, it would be nice to let the chrome dialogue list the shares in the left quick-access list
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2021-06-05 01:57:47	rindolf	jim: i used "ur" cuz it was easier to type :P you need to go out more
2021-06-05 01:58:00	NGC3982	but this is perhaps a chrome problem and not a linux problem
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2021-06-05 01:58:10	jim	when you say you don't see the shares, where would these shares normally appear, and what is the file manager calling the area where they do appear
2021-06-05 01:58:12	jim	?
2021-06-05 01:58:32	jim	what else normally appears there?
2021-06-05 01:58:51	NGC3982	the program is "files", 3.36.3-stable
2021-06-05 01:59:00	NGC3982	the default file manager in 20.04
2021-06-05 01:59:08	NGC3982	let me take a screenshot
2021-06-05 01:59:29	jim	cool, that would probably answer my questions
2021-06-05 01:59:50	rindolf	jim: please choose more worthwhile battles
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2021-06-05 02:01:13	NGC3982	jim: https://skarmdump.henjoh.se/Screenshot%20from%202021-06-05%2007-59-35.png <- file manager with the network locations visible on the side
2021-06-05 02:01:35	NGC3982	jim: https://skarmdump.henjoh.se/Screenshot%20from%202021-06-05%2008-00-26.png save-as dialogue in chrome, not showing the network locations.
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2021-06-05 02:03:46	jim	rindolf, that was a battle? :)
2021-06-05 02:04:15	jim	NGC3982, I wonder if you could screenshot when the save-as dialog is on the screen
2021-06-05 02:04:29	NGC3982	i did. that's the second image.
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2021-06-05 02:07:10	jim	NGC3982, should they appear in the area on the far left just below the cancel button, that has "home" "Desktop", "Documents", (more)?
2021-06-05 02:07:36	NGC3982	Yes
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2021-06-05 02:07:47	NGC3982	or, well. i guess so?
2021-06-05 02:08:25	jim	can you get to where you want to go by choosing + Other Locations?
2021-06-05 02:08:44	NGC3982	OH.
2021-06-05 02:08:59	NGC3982	i should have tried that
2021-06-05 02:09:02	NGC3982	thanks jim
2021-06-05 02:09:30	jim	I think the dirs it's showing are known places that were created in the user's home dir
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2021-06-05 02:13:35	 *	NGC3982 is partly ashamed of himself
2021-06-05 02:15:34	jim	why? we both explored the situation
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2021-06-05 02:17:02	NGC3982	well, i could have tried that button first
2021-06-05 02:17:57	jim	I suppose :)
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2021-06-05 02:22:17	jim	here's the thing... you're not really required to know everything about linux, or even just that file manager... maybe you could review what we did, because maybe you could use that kind of exploration to find out how other things work (so this wasn't completely useless, there are things in it you can use)
2021-06-05 02:22:33	NGC3982	thats true
2021-06-05 02:22:37	NGC3982	thanks jimbo
2021-06-05 02:22:43	jim	welcome
2021-06-05 02:23:31	rindolf	jim: it was a battle: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/image-macros/indiv-nodes/wandless_emma_watson.xhtml
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2021-06-05 02:25:21	ZenixOwler	anyone here has tried installing Arch but in a wireless environment ? i have tried to do as google, github and Arch wiki said but no use, esepcially when my local network require authentication but their posts just omit that procedure of verifying, one particular is this : https://gist.github.com/eltonvs/d8977de93466552a3448d9822e265e38
2021-06-05 02:25:33	ZenixOwler	after conforming and trying, still can't seem to ping anyone
2021-06-05 02:26:45	rindolf	jim: why do so many 'geeks' here on freenode cant think metaphorically?
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2021-06-05 02:29:50	jim	ZenixOwler, I'm not really sure... maybe there's not a section on getting wireless going, either that, or you're expected to know how to get it going with what's provided
2021-06-05 02:30:40	jim	ZenixOwler, so, maybe your device has an ethernet port, and you have a cable, and a place on your router or somewhere, to plug it in?
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2021-06-05 02:31:02	ZenixOwler	well my laptop doesn't have an ethernet port
2021-06-05 02:31:08	ZenixOwler	only a wireless card
2021-06-05 02:31:12	ZenixOwler	that's the drag
2021-06-05 02:31:50	Prestige	ZenixOwler: tried iwd?
2021-06-05 02:32:02	Prestige	or wifi-menu if it's still on the iso
2021-06-05 02:32:13	ZenixOwler	nope tried wifi-menu, it ain't there
2021-06-05 02:32:15	ZenixOwler	maybe iwd
2021-06-05 02:33:00	jim	rindolf, that kind of thinking comes with time, experimentation and observation. you need to be able to select the level of abstraction you want to be at
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2021-06-05 02:37:41	ZenixOwler	Prestige: do you mean "iw" instead as the command, my distro doesn't seem to detect iwd
2021-06-05 02:37:45	rindolf	jim: you're trolling me right? i met 10 years old smartr than you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Smith
2021-06-05 02:38:02	Prestige	I mean https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#Usage ZenixOwler
2021-06-05 02:38:10	ZenixOwler	Oh that, ok thank
2021-06-05 02:38:17	Prestige	Np
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2021-06-05 02:39:20	jim	rindolf, no, not trolling. and yes there are smart people in the world
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2021-06-05 02:40:21	jim	you already have the ability to think that way; do you remember how you learned how?
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2021-06-05 02:40:44	rindolf	jim: i agree. my mind devils are not among them
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2021-06-05 02:41:44	rindolf	jim: wait for my answer,, please
2021-06-05 02:41:50	ZenixOwler	ok, my wifi is connected, thank :P
2021-06-05 02:42:30	Prestige	woohoo
2021-06-05 02:44:04	jim	ZenixOwler, want to try a different dist? debian's unofficial netinstall images have firmware files that work with various hardware, with the effect they can usually get wireless networking started early in the install process
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2021-06-05 02:44:58	ZenixOwler	yea but don't we usually need to provide a passphrase to at least connect it ?
2021-06-05 02:45:02	jim	ZenixOwler, oh, you got it? :)
2021-06-05 02:45:03	ZenixOwler	or else i don't see how this automation works
2021-06-05 02:45:14	ZenixOwler	yes i just had got it
2021-06-05 02:45:17	ZenixOwler	iwctl is a thing now
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2021-06-05 02:46:10	ZenixOwler	jim: also what you told me earlier got me wondering a bit, doesn't the firmware was already placed within the ISO image ? and what you said kinda sounds like the installers will attach it instead
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2021-06-05 02:47:07	jim	yeah, normally you'd protect your wap by setting a password, so yeah, you'd have to put in that password when you want to access the wireless
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2021-06-05 02:48:09	jim	ZenixOwler, for debian unofficial netinstall images, yes, the firmware is included in the image, and the installer knows how to set that part up
2021-06-05 02:48:31	jim	I don't really know what other dists do
2021-06-05 02:48:42	ZenixOwler	so if a firmware is missing, the installer will detect and download it in ?
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2021-06-05 02:49:01	ZenixOwler	or at least notify us that it's missing
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2021-06-05 02:49:25	jim	ZenixOwler, I think it would notify, in the dmesg listing
2021-06-05 02:49:36	ZenixOwler	oh, still helpful enough
2021-06-05 02:50:16	jim	I would usually run: dmesg | grep -i fail when I want to find failed firmware loads
2021-06-05 02:50:41	ZenixOwler	well not sure if someone do it on Windows though
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2021-06-05 02:50:48	ZenixOwler	Win doesn't have dmesg
2021-06-05 02:55:18	jim	windows (and microsoft) has a strong motivation to hide problems, ones which dmesg (or the like) would reveal
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2021-06-05 03:08:32	Seto_Kaiba	jim: how so? If anything, windows ETL and other debug systems/messages and logs are far better stock
2021-06-05 03:08:46	Seto_Kaiba	it's far more like dtrace and beyond even that
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2021-06-05 03:09:04	Hunterkll	in addition to dmesg et al
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2021-06-05 03:11:49	keup	I'm trying to understand permissions (in the context of trying to start minishift on my machine). When running a command (like minishift start), it tells me that it does not have access to a particular file (in this case, /home/keup/.minishift/machines/minishift/minishift.img). I checked the ls -al on that. I own the file and both me and the
2021-06-05 03:11:50	keup	currently active group have r and w access to it. What is wrong here?
2021-06-05 03:11:58	keup	ls -al gives this
2021-06-05 03:12:10	keup	-rw-rw-r-- 1 keup mygroup
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2021-06-05 03:19:56	jim	keup, what user is running the minishift start command?
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2021-06-05 03:20:28	keup	user keup
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2021-06-05 03:20:38	keup	without super user
2021-06-05 03:20:42	jim	which is the same user that owns the file
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2021-06-05 03:20:49	keup	Yep
2021-06-05 03:21:37	jim	hm... it should work based on the info you're giving
2021-06-05 03:22:57	jim	unless it's trying to -execute- the file (and I also don't see why it would be doing that)
2021-06-05 03:22:58	keup	Yeah, not sure why it's not. It works when I'm logged in as root.
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2021-06-05 03:23:25	jim	so that's just blanket permissions
2021-06-05 03:23:33	keup	Yep.
2021-06-05 03:24:32	jim	so somehow, when you're running it as your user, it lacks a permission it needs, and we don't know which that is
2021-06-05 03:25:25	jim	what kind of file is minishift the executable?
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2021-06-05 03:28:04	IHasFinger	hi guys I am using supervisord. In the command I have command=cd /var/volume && python3 bot.py  however I am getting an error  FATAL     can't find command 'cd'
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2021-06-05 03:29:10	jim	here's how you can find out: file $(which minishift)
2021-06-05 03:29:12	IHasFinger	I need to cd because i am using sqlite and i have the sqlite file in that volume directory. If I run it without cd i get an error that it cannot find tables which clearly exist in the sqlite file
2021-06-05 03:30:04	jim	and you can pastebin that using file $(which minishift) | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-06-05 03:33:06	keup	jim https://termbin.com/imjp
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2021-06-05 03:36:46	jim	so it's a compiled program
2021-06-05 03:37:13	jim	if it were a script, at least we could see what it's doing
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2021-06-05 03:40:21	jkamzi	Hi. I've installed Debian on an iMac with a questionable GPU, so I'm running it in console only with no X installed. I'm trying to figure out how to turn off the LCD panel, but I don't know how. Any pointers?
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2021-06-05 03:41:50	jim	the lcd panel of an imac?
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2021-06-05 03:42:51	jkamzi	yes, because now it's turned on all the time and no power save thing kicks in
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2021-06-05 03:43:32	jkamzi	I'm using it through SSH so the screen being on all the time seems a but unnecessary
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2021-06-05 03:46:02	keup	When I try to chown -R that whole subdirectory it says operation not permitted. Weird.
2021-06-05 03:46:05	keup	jim
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2021-06-05 03:46:34	jim	keup, who are you chowning as?
2021-06-05 03:46:55	keup	$USER so keup
2021-06-05 03:47:13	jim	(chown is a root-only operation)
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2021-06-05 03:47:58	jim	jkamzi, I wonder if they know on ##hardware?
2021-06-05 03:48:20	jkamzi	jim, I'll ask there too
2021-06-05 03:48:20	keup	Ah I see.
2021-06-05 03:48:42	jkamzi	thank you
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2021-06-05 03:51:32	keup	jim Doesn't permit it even as root
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2021-06-05 03:59:37	jim	show the command you're running
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2021-06-05 04:05:46	keup	sudo su -
2021-06-05 04:06:44	keup	And then sudo chown -R keup /home/keup/.minishift
2021-06-05 04:07:03	keup	Without the sudo ofc
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2021-06-05 04:10:23	altwulf	That would be "of course", not "ofc".
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2021-06-05 04:10:50	keup	Right :)
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2021-06-05 04:18:34	keup	jim Nevermind, it doesn't work when in root either. So I really don't know what's going on.
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2021-06-05 04:24:42	jim	for sudo su -, in the future try: sudo -i
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2021-06-05 04:24:54	godSend23	hey all
2021-06-05 04:24:57	jim	hi
2021-06-05 04:25:03	godSend23	hi jim
2021-06-05 04:25:43	godSend23	r u guys running linux servers?
2021-06-05 04:25:55	Prestige	Yes
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2021-06-05 04:26:44	jim	of course :) and, we're not liking the sms-speak much here... so, please use 'are you', not 'r u'
2021-06-05 04:27:26	godSend23	alright, what do you guys think of the proliant dl380
2021-06-05 04:27:40	jim	is that a dell machine?
2021-06-05 04:27:45	godSend23	HP
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2021-06-05 04:28:09	jim	how much ram does it have?
2021-06-05 04:28:42	jim	or, what are you looking to do?
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2021-06-05 04:29:11	jim	maybe you're looking to buy a machine to use as a server?
2021-06-05 04:29:27	godSend23	yes i got it
2021-06-05 04:30:07	jim	oh, you do? how much ram can you put in it, and how much ram does it have now?
2021-06-05 04:30:34	godSend23	i'm trying to figure that out
2021-06-05 04:30:41	godSend23	do i need to phyhsically connect it to a monitor?
2021-06-05 04:30:43	 *	kilitary figured
2021-06-05 04:30:47	godSend23	or can i remotely set it up?
2021-06-05 04:30:52	jim	oh ok... what's it running now?
2021-06-05 04:30:59	godSend23	nothing atm
2021-06-05 04:31:09	godSend23	i'm guessing
2021-06-05 04:31:10	jim	oh, I would connect the monitor
2021-06-05 04:31:29	jim	oh, if it has no ram, you can't install yet
2021-06-05 04:31:38	godSend23	it has a vga
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2021-06-05 04:31:50	godSend23	my monitor only has hdmi
2021-06-05 04:32:07	jim	oh, so you can't hook it up right now
2021-06-05 04:32:27	jim	what time is it where you are?
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2021-06-05 04:33:31	godSend23	1:30am
2021-06-05 04:34:30	jim	so you could get a monitor that works with a vga connector, or maybe you can get an adapter
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2021-06-05 04:35:44	godSend23	no choice in the adapter then
2021-06-05 04:35:51	godSend23	weird servers don't have hdmi?
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2021-06-05 04:37:51	Nickwiz	Doesn't it have a DP in front?
2021-06-05 04:37:52	rindolf	godSend23: hi
2021-06-05 04:38:25	jim	yeah, hdmi is for home use, like for large format monitors and such
2021-06-05 04:38:33	godSend23	hi rindolf
2021-06-05 04:38:35	godSend23	long time
2021-06-05 04:38:48	godSend23	letme see Nickwiz
2021-06-05 04:38:49	jim	hdmi carries sound as well (spdif)
2021-06-05 04:39:29	godSend23	right, no, another vga?!
2021-06-05 04:39:31	godSend23	jeez, what a waste
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2021-06-05 04:40:14	jim	what's a DP?
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2021-06-05 04:40:41	Nickwiz	Display Port
2021-06-05 04:40:48	jim	oh ok
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2021-06-05 04:41:04	jim	so like for mac monitors?
2021-06-05 04:41:12	godSend23	how old is this dl380
2021-06-05 04:41:21	godSend23	no dp or hdmi
2021-06-05 04:42:05	rindolf	godSend23: i even aavoid aws ec2/azure/etc. and use shared hosting and code/content sharinng sites: http://www.paulgraham.com/stuff.html
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2021-06-05 04:42:45	godSend23	how does this relate rindolf ?
2021-06-05 04:43:29	jim	so I would think, that in order to see what's there, or to install an os (for servers I normally suggest debian, very solid, very stable, very well tested, very high quality)
2021-06-05 04:44:04	rindolf	godSend23: that i prefre not to maintain my own server
2021-06-05 04:44:05	Nickwiz	Nah, I have DP on a couple of my old monitors at least HP Compaq
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2021-06-05 04:44:19	godSend23	ohhhh
2021-06-05 04:44:40	jim	you'd have to get (or borrow?) a monitor to use while you're installing the os, then put it on the net and install an openssh-server so you can ssh into it
2021-06-05 04:44:45	godSend23	yeah i;m leaning towards debian jim
2021-06-05 04:45:08	jim	once you're sure you can ssh in, you could return the borrowed monitor
2021-06-05 04:46:05	godSend23	good idea, can u give me some ex. rindolf ?
2021-06-05 04:46:06	Nickwiz	I have HDMI 2 VGA adapter, was around 10$ IIRC
2021-06-05 04:46:28	godSend23	so there's no way to configure it without a direct connection?
2021-06-05 04:46:28	Nickwiz	(If I Remember Correctly)
2021-06-05 04:46:48	godSend23	at least initially
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2021-06-05 04:48:00	rindolf	godSend23: debian systems are rock solid but debian packages tend to be outofdate
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2021-06-05 04:48:37	godSend23	ooh
2021-06-05 04:48:59	rindolf	godSend23: example for what?
2021-06-05 04:50:31	godSend23	" use shared hosting and code/content sharinng sites"
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2021-06-05 04:53:04	rindolf	godSend23: https://www.shlomifish.org/me/contact-me/ - github, twitter, fb, cpan, pypi, youtube
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2021-06-05 04:54:28	rindolf	godSend23: i use hostgator shard hosting
2021-06-05 04:54:37	rindolf	godSend23: i use hostgator shared hosting
2021-06-05 04:55:15	godSend23	why do u recommend that over aws?
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2021-06-05 04:56:53	rindolf	godSend23: a dedicated server requres more maintenance
2021-06-05 04:57:36	godSend23	is that necessarily a bad thing?
2021-06-05 04:57:45	rindolf	godSend23: a dedicated server or a vps requres more maintenance
2021-06-05 04:58:36	altwulf	godSend23: "you", not "u", please.
2021-06-05 04:59:26	altwulf	rindolf: what makes you say that a VPS requires maintenance?
2021-06-05 04:59:55	rindolf	godSend23: not always bad, but suboptimal for me
2021-06-05 05:00:29	godSend23	so u trust hostgator to do all that for u?
2021-06-05 05:00:43	altwulf	godSend23: "you", not "u", please.
2021-06-05 05:01:02	godSend23	ok
2021-06-05 05:02:16	godSend23	on this server, can i tell if my hotswapable hds are 2.5 or 3.5?
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2021-06-05 05:03:51	rindolf	altwulf: hail grammar! https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Muppets-Show-TNI/Summer-Glau-and-Chuck-Norris.html
2021-06-05 05:05:09	altwulf	Dunno, man... that girl, unlike Norris, was a total psycho.
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2021-06-05 05:05:39	rindolf	altwulf: summer glau?
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2021-06-05 05:07:10	altwulf	Yup!
2021-06-05 05:07:24	altwulf	Besides: "prettier than me", as is, is grammatically correct.
2021-06-05 05:07:47	rindolf	altwulf: chuck admits that there
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2021-06-05 05:09:19	altwulf	I didn't read all of that yet. What's also often buggersome is when people "correct" me when say things like "She went downtown with Jack and me", maintaining that the "me" is incorrect. If you speak any German, you'll understand why the "correction" is wrong.
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2021-06-05 05:10:27	rindolf	altwulf: it is the dative form
2021-06-05 05:10:31	altwulf	Also: s/as whom should I/as who should I/;
2021-06-05 05:10:48	altwulf	Exactly. "I" is not dative.
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2021-06-05 05:12:52	rindolf	altwulf: well, two english professors have 3 opinions
2021-06-05 05:13:21	altwulf	Do those professors have knowledge of earlier forms of English or other Germanic languagers?
2021-06-05 05:13:25	altwulf	Languages?
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2021-06-05 05:14:22	rindolf	altwulf: it's a snowclone adage
2021-06-05 05:14:34	altwulf	I don't understand.
2021-06-05 05:14:54	rindolf	altwulf: whatever
2021-06-05 05:16:06	altwulf	Heh. Never seen the term "snowclone" before.
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2021-06-05 05:16:38	rindolf	altwulf: ok...
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2021-06-05 05:17:40	rindolf	altwulf: http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/002892.html
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2021-06-05 05:18:47	altwulf	Heh.
2021-06-05 05:19:55	rindolf	altwulf: i have crossover/mashup memes too
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2021-06-05 05:21:11	altwulf	Not much into "memes", usually.
2021-06-05 05:24:02	rindolf	altwulf: "That’s why I feed my leprechaun every day — because there are not enough phonemes in Navajo to tell him to get his act together and find a job."
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2021-06-05 05:29:57	rindolf	altwulf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Eont_yEGZs arnie as hamlet
2021-06-05 05:30:27	hstl	sup, homiez. Wut happened with freenode in May? I mean, changes are big or not? Should i start to connect to other servers cuz some left freenode?
2021-06-05 05:31:37	altwulf	hstl, why don't you try just connecting to both and seeing what you like?
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2021-06-05 05:39:58	rindolf	saturday shalom saturday
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2021-06-05 05:42:18	rindolf	shalom btw means wellbeing, completenes, prosperity
2021-06-05 05:44:25	rindolf	em- meant something similar in proto germanic
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2021-06-05 05:53:18	oxek	hstl: put 'freenode' into your favorite search engine and read the news
2021-06-05 05:54:33	hstl	oxek: thank you, captain obvious
2021-06-05 05:55:05	oxek	I should get promoted
2021-06-05 05:55:19	altwulf	Short story: Freenode has changed hands, and subsequently changed policy. Not everybody agrees with the new policies.
2021-06-05 05:56:08	oxek	if all the channels listed here https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus would actually keep true to their words and quit freenode, then freenode would be empty by now
2021-06-05 05:57:11	hstl	Exodus. Like jews and Egypt
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2021-06-05 05:59:34	RayTracer	oxek: maybe the list is just fake
2021-06-05 06:00:06	oxek	RayTracer: it is well sourced
2021-06-05 06:00:31	oxek	haven't found a fake entry yet. I have however discovered that the list is incomplete, a lot more channels have decided to leave than listed.
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2021-06-05 06:04:46	hstl	oxek: thank you for the link
2021-06-05 06:06:40	altwulf	Last time I saw that list, just a few days ago, it was at 221 projects. Now it's 588!?
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2021-06-05 06:07:23	altwulf	Dude, that's insane.
2021-06-05 06:08:11	oxek	e.g. freenas is missing from that list
2021-06-05 06:08:29	dob1	how to do a tail -f  but filtering the lines that contains a pattern?
2021-06-05 06:08:41	oxek	dob1: grep -v
2021-06-05 06:08:49	oxek	i.e. pipe tail to grep
2021-06-05 06:09:00	oxek	will probably need some flag that prevents buffering
2021-06-05 06:09:51	oxek	or perhaps you mean that you want to include lines, not exclude them. In that case, don't use -v
2021-06-05 06:10:00	dob1	no, exclude
2021-06-05 06:10:19	dob1	tail -f file.log | grep -v pattern
2021-06-05 06:11:54	dob1	I don't know about the buffering
2021-06-05 06:12:34	oxek	if it works without buffering, then it's ok
2021-06-05 06:12:51	oxek	but sometimes you might come across a case where you get no output, even when you know there should be some output
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2021-06-05 06:19:18	Lutin	always fun if in a second interview a devops is par of the interview but is more a dev then ops and doesn't know shit about things and you later hear on that he has said in the conversation after the interviews you don't fit into the team... no... obviously not when it becomes clear that such person does dancy about and actove/active lacp but doesn't know it's a bond in other words
2021-06-05 06:19:46	Lutin	*fancy
2021-06-05 06:19:57	Lutin	and that was only the star :D
2021-06-05 06:20:03	Lutin	*start
2021-06-05 06:20:10	Lutin	I need a new keyboard :P
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2021-06-05 06:21:39	oxek	Lutin: keep trying, there are lots of other companies
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2021-06-05 06:22:01	Lutin	oxek they asked me ;)
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2021-06-05 06:22:24	oxek	that's nice :)
2021-06-05 06:23:11	Lutin	oxek I wanted to know how big companies are doing when it comes to IT... man... that python dev who thinks he is a devops is telling on his linkedin that he is service email for his own family... I saw that later.. I thought... my god
2021-06-05 06:23:32	irgendwer4711	hi, how to deal with undelivered mails from uucp. are they stored anywhere?
2021-06-05 06:23:58	oxek	Lutin: people put all sorts of nonsense on linkedin
2021-06-05 06:24:06	Lutin	oxek yap I got compliments from the CTO but I understood they have an challenge there because someone left or want to leave "the team" and they need someone who can catch up
2021-06-05 06:24:53	Lutin	oxek I have a rare LinkedIn profile, All my skills are there but also how I live because of my daily job to stay focussed... they liked that so much that they thought... danm you are pure
2021-06-05 06:24:57	Lutin	*damn
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2021-06-05 06:26:33	Lutin	there was a small form where I need to answer some questions like "What was your last technical challenge ?" Fixing my chainsaw becaue I need wood for the winter or what I do on a daily base in IT ? Do you have github or something to share ? I don't share my magic in public which I do for companies
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2021-06-05 06:32:48	rindolf	oxek: <oxek> Lutin: people put all sorts of nonsense on linkedin ==> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law "99.5% of the talmud is crap
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2021-06-05 06:33:29	Lutin	rindolf exactly that, I'm within the reting 0.5% and that is what they liked :)
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2021-06-05 06:35:43	Lutin	*resting
2021-06-05 06:35:44	rindolf	BTW, from what i saw, trump's twitter was usually either good or so bad it was good
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2021-06-05 06:36:26	rindolf	Lutin: :-)
2021-06-05 06:36:43	oxek	rindolf: no politics in ##linux
2021-06-05 06:37:30	rindolf	oxek: sorry
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2021-06-05 06:39:39	rindolf	oxek: trump was voted out anyway
2021-06-05 06:40:25	oxek	I take no position on the matter, but discussing politics is something that gets out of hand very quickly and is both offtopic and against channel rules.
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2021-06-05 06:43:08	rindolf	oxek: ok
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2021-06-05 06:45:08	rindolf	celebs and I: « First @wilw
2021-06-05 06:45:08	rindolf	 ( https://shlomifish.org/humour/Selina-Mandrake/ ) then the Amazing Mumford ( https://shlomifish.org/humour/Muppets-Show-TNI/Harry-Potter.html ) then @Schwarzenegger
2021-06-05 06:45:08	rindolf	 ( https://shlomifish.org/humour/Terminator/Liberation/ ); @EmmaWatson
2021-06-05 06:45:08	rindolf	 is going places. I wanna have her next.»
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2021-06-05 06:48:10	rindolf	she has a queue of candidates i imagine
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2021-06-05 07:12:46	cagan	I prefer Emma Stone
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2021-06-05 07:13:31	triceratux	sometimes even the linux gods have to analyse the mypillow stupphz https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/57459.html
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2021-06-05 07:21:46	milan13	the command "ifconfig" do not show me Wifi interface, why?, thanks
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2021-06-05 07:26:07	triceratux	because its been officially deprecated for decades ?
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2021-06-05 07:26:32	triceratux	it could be the other way around
2021-06-05 07:27:29	triceratux	the fact that ip was authored & supported could mean that ifconfig received no attention in line with the newer network technologies, thus resulting in its deprecation. decades ago
2021-06-05 07:28:04	oxek	don't use ifconfig
2021-06-05 07:28:17	oxek	use `ip` and `iw`
2021-06-05 07:28:19	triceratux	https://ubuntu.com/blog/if-youre-still-using-ifconfig-youre-living-in-the-past
2021-06-05 07:28:44	triceratux	https://opensource.com/article/21/1/ifconfig-ip-linux
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2021-06-05 07:43:03	cadmio	Hello
2021-06-05 07:43:08	cadmio	How can I remove that yellow backgorund https://imgur.com/zZXtPnEl.png
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2021-06-05 07:45:13	rindolf	jackespio: Emma Stone is gorgeous but “One does not simply cast an American actress for a Britishwoman’s role.”
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2021-06-05 07:47:24	triceratux	https://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2021/06/03/stealth-data-anonymous-online-traffic-data-mining.html
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2021-06-05 07:49:04	rindolf	jackespio: thing is - watson's life paralleled mine and she kinda is a soul mate of mine
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2021-06-05 07:54:22	oxek	cadmio: is that gimp? Use the magic select tool, select the yellow, and delete it
2021-06-05 07:55:01	rindolf	triceratux: datums multiply faster than rabbits
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2021-06-05 07:56:45	cadmio	oxek: that works. But it still remains yellow inside and around text
2021-06-05 07:58:18	rindolf	triceratux: the jewish tradition says that God emits many invisible angel
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2021-06-05 08:09:20	rindolf	jackespio: eymah means 'terror'/fear in hebrew
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2021-06-05 08:11:02	jackespio	@rindolf I respect this :)
2021-06-05 08:11:30	rindolf	https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9E%D7%94 ftr
2021-06-05 08:12:34	jackespio	I never heard about hebrew lang
2021-06-05 08:13:08	jackespio	Shalom, ani jackespio. naim meod.
2021-06-05 08:13:10	rindolf	jackespio: thanks! there's one Em for evryone
2021-06-05 08:14:38	rindolf	jackespio: hi, naim lehakr, qor'im lli shlomi
2021-06-05 08:15:12	rindolf	jackespio: hi, naim lehakir, qor'im li shlomi
2021-06-05 08:15:33	jackespio	So you from Israel?
2021-06-05 08:17:37	rindolf	jackespio: yes: https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#where_are_you_from
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2021-06-05 08:22:08	rindolf	jackespio: in my sins, i am nsa agent #3: https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/are_you_an_agent.xhtml j/k
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2021-06-05 08:39:50	 *	triceratux has been perfecting his romanised cyrillic sms. pa3pa6om4uku, pa3pa6om4uku, pa3pa6om4uku :)
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2021-06-05 08:41:59	triceratux	xopowero !
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2021-06-05 08:49:38	kilitary	╙
2021-06-05 08:51:08	triceratux	xunnapu
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2021-06-05 08:53:04	triceratux	HaM noumb koHeu~ kazaU,kux
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2021-06-05 08:56:42	triceratux	romanised cyrillic sms means you can learn to spell correctly even without a russian keyboard. then when you kick in the russian keyboard you already know what to do with it
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2021-06-05 08:57:41	wizardK	test
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2021-06-05 09:01:22	kish`	if i run a distro in virtualbox is there any way a virus could walk out of the virtualization?
2021-06-05 09:02:40	gimmemahlulz	As long as you have it sandboxed well (ie: all sharing function disabled) and as long as your network is protected, you should be fine
2021-06-05 09:04:12	kish`	one box for browing. one box for irc.
2021-06-05 09:04:33	kish`	would be ideal.
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2021-06-05 09:04:52	kish`	I do hear there's zero day RCE's for IRC some clients
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2021-06-05 09:23:15	asokM	Hi! I've been trying to recover my dogecoin wallet off a formatted hdd with a linux partition. it seems that testdisk finds the partition but I'm unable to write it cause it fails with a generic error
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2021-06-05 09:23:31	asokM	here's an head -1000 of my testdisk.log http://ix.io/3oyZ
2021-06-05 09:23:52	asokM	so it would appear that the partition is intact.. is there another way to recover?
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2021-06-05 09:25:32	oxek	asokM: give it to a professional service and pay them lots of money
2021-06-05 09:25:52	asokM	oxek: I would gladly if there were a guarantee it could be recovered :)
2021-06-05 09:26:04	asokM	I guess that's something I want to determine first..
2021-06-05 09:26:07	oxek	there are no guarantees
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2021-06-05 09:26:19	oxek	especially since you seem to have already messed with it...
2021-06-05 09:26:49	asokM	oxek: i created an img backup before playing with it
2021-06-05 09:27:28	oxek	have two backups, keep the original drive away, and do your testing on one of the backups
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2021-06-05 09:27:47	asokM	oh
2021-06-05 09:28:40	asokM	oxek: so even if testdisk found said partition it's still not certain that it could be recovered? I thought the partitions were laid out linearly...
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2021-06-05 09:29:24	oxek	it could be recovered, but I don't know how that hdd was formatted, whether it wiped any data or not
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2021-06-05 09:30:08	oxek	testdisk can do a lot of things, and it is safe to do so if you're using it on something else than the original data
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2021-06-05 09:31:07	asokM	oxek: it was a 'quick' format
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2021-06-05 09:31:54	asokM	ok, going the professional recovery way
2021-06-05 09:31:59	asokM	thanks oxek
2021-06-05 09:32:00	oxek	I don't know what 'quick' format is
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2021-06-05 10:55:56	ZenixOwler	how can i detect which partition does my linux distro relates to ? currently my machine has two OS and each one manages a lot of partitions, by using a third partition analyzer i can now tell the "swap" and "ext4" belongs to my Linux distro but i think there usually are three, so anything else maybe ?
2021-06-05 10:56:02	ZenixOwler	i also see "FAT32", not sure if it relates
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2021-06-05 11:02:56	koollman	ZenixOwler: could be only those two
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2021-06-05 11:03:42	koollman	ZenixOwler: the minimum amount is one. often there's also swap and a separate partition for /boot
2021-06-05 11:04:30	ZenixOwler	yea, during Arch linux i kinda make one with the FAT32 filesys a lot, in charge of booting i guess
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2021-06-05 11:20:14	triceratux	najlbMi napaMu. Cka*ewb jl}06jl}0 Ho q m8ouM cjlo8aM He 8ep}0. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoWX3_VLrUg
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2021-06-05 11:22:58	no_gravity	Is it possible to have "links to directories" on the desktop? Say a link "images_from_berlin" that when you click on it opens the file browser with "/mnt/images/berlin" open? I know there are symlinks, but those are a bit tricky because you cannot see in the file browser the real location you are working on.
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2021-06-05 11:28:35	no_gravity	Maybe the easiest way is to just use a script that opens the file browser with the path as a parameter.
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2021-06-05 12:21:06	Guest20	hello there a simple question
2021-06-05 12:21:33	Guest20	I have a shell script that is waiting for the input. that has a ownership and group ownership of root
2021-06-05 12:22:05	Guest20	now i have set the suid of the file., -rwsr-xr-x is the permission i have, when i try to run the file from ec2-user,
2021-06-05 12:22:17	Guest20	if i do ps auxw | grep file1
2021-06-05 12:22:24	Guest20	the process says still ec2-uesr
2021-06-05 12:22:35	Guest20	why the ownership of the process is not escalated to the owner of the file
2021-06-05 12:22:42	Guest20	what am i doing wrong here
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2021-06-05 12:28:25	[R]	Guest20: you can't setuid a script
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2021-06-05 12:49:32	AhmedAmerican	how to write cron job everyday at 05:30 AM?
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2021-06-05 12:50:36	[R]	AhmedAmerican: https://crontab.guru/
2021-06-05 12:50:45	Guest20	[R] oh why is that
2021-06-05 12:50:54	[R]	Guest20: because thats the rules
2021-06-05 12:51:01	Guest20	oh i see
2021-06-05 12:51:27	AhmedAmerican	Thank you @[R] https://crontab.guru/#30_05_*_*_*
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2021-06-05 12:56:24	velix	Hmm, can I use `flock` to bind a file to one program only?
2021-06-05 12:57:06	[R]	velix: bind?
2021-06-05 12:58:25	velix	[R]: I just want one application to be able to read a file at a time.
2021-06-05 12:58:36	[R]	velix: huh?
2021-06-05 12:58:38	velix	So when `tail -f blah` reads it, no other file should be able to read it.
2021-06-05 12:58:43	[R]	no
2021-06-05 12:58:48	[R]	you can't do that
2021-06-05 12:59:16	velix	That would be sooooo useful :-(
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2021-06-05 13:00:13	[R]	how do you figure?
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2021-06-05 13:01:36	velix	spheroid, I'm 130 kg
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2021-06-05 13:07:14	jerware	Hello.
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2021-06-05 13:07:53	jerware	Hello.
2021-06-05 13:08:00	Prestige	sup jerware
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2021-06-05 13:08:12	jerware	I want to rsync / to an other destination, but I dont want to log in as root.
2021-06-05 13:08:29	jerware	and all of its subdirectories.
2021-06-05 13:11:30	ZenixOwler	question, i wanna start the service iwd at boot on Arch but is there any flag or parameter systemctl has which i can use ?
2021-06-05 13:14:03	Prestige	Isn't that shown on the wiki?
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2021-06-05 13:15:04	[R]	jerware: ok... and?
2021-06-05 13:15:17	[R]	ZenixOwler: flag?
2021-06-05 13:15:38	Prestige	systemctl enable iwd.service
2021-06-05 13:15:46	rngmaster	do i need to restart when i change compositor render?
2021-06-05 13:15:50	ZenixOwler	and it will automate at start ?
2021-06-05 13:15:53	Prestige	https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Iwd#Usage yes
2021-06-05 13:15:59	ZenixOwler	let's me see
2021-06-05 13:16:42	Prestige	rngmaster: you should be able to just stop compositor A, then start compositor B (if that's what you're asking) with a reboot
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2021-06-05 13:17:09	rngmaster	i just changed it to XRender now going fullscreen works fine
2021-06-05 13:17:13	ZenixOwler	[R]: oh nvm, Prestige got it :P
2021-06-05 13:17:22	rngmaster	can i get it to work with opengl?
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2021-06-05 13:18:06	rngmaster	after sometime with the computer on, when i go to fullscreen it cant go, gives me blackscreen
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2021-06-05 13:45:21	mattfly	Is there a tabbed alternative for xembed that doesn't suck?
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2021-06-05 13:51:20	danieldg	xembed does ?
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2021-06-05 14:30:36	quartz12	I'm on linux mint 20.1 and I'm having problems with the nvidia driver 460. I switched to nvidia driver 450 and everything works fine. I just did a software update and the driver manager removed the option for nvidia driver 450 and replaced it with 460 and 465.
2021-06-05 14:31:09	quartz12	I looked up a tutorial and it said to remove all nvidia drivers, than reinstall nvidia drivers 450. I'm just worried that uninstalling will break something lol
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2021-06-05 14:31:40	quartz12	Or if that is the right way to reinstall nvidia drivers 450
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2021-06-05 14:51:42	AnthraciteX	is there a way to change the Ui from XFCE to something else?
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2021-06-05 14:52:18	triceratux	lots of them
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2021-06-05 14:52:45	[R]	you can install whateveer WM/DE you want
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2021-06-05 14:53:06	triceratux	you can install something else from the repo & get it to coexist with the original ui via the loginmanager
2021-06-05 14:53:20	quartz12	I'm trying to reinstall nvidia-driver-450 becaues I did a software update and it installed 460. I went into the driver management tool and it only had 460 and 465. Neither work for me. I uninstalled all nvidia drivers via the terminal, than I try to run: sudo apt install nvidia-driver-450, but it tells me its going to install 460! Why?
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2021-06-05 14:55:19	quartz12	This is the output I get: https://hatebin.com/tcwitgscac
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2021-06-05 15:00:44	quartz12	I suppose it's a dumb question sorry!
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2021-06-05 15:02:38	AnthraciteX	Thank you for the responses, i thought that the WM was tied to the OS itself
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2021-06-05 15:04:03	[R]	the OS is linux
2021-06-05 15:04:11	[R]	there are lots of WMs for linux
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2021-06-05 15:06:15	altwulf	And they're easily replaced. The year Ubuntu came with Unity installed by default was the worst hour of my computer-using life, I think. Dropped to VC, did a apt-get install kde, Unity go BYEBYE.
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2021-06-05 15:07:53	AnthraciteX	Unity was that bad?
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2021-06-05 15:08:58	[R]	no
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2021-06-05 15:09:05	quartz12	Sorry to ask again, but I want to go from nvidia driver 460 to 450. I've uninstalled all nvidia drivers and did sudo apt install nvidia-driver-450, than reboot, but it does not change back to 450.
2021-06-05 15:09:11	quartz12	Anyone know why?
2021-06-05 15:09:26	[R]	people love being dramatic
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2021-06-05 15:12:31	triceratux	AnthraciteX: the major distros have de specific spins like xubuntu, lubuntu, tde-ubuntu &c. they know the flagship desktop has issues, but replacing it from the packagemanager can in some cases be suboptimal
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2021-06-05 15:13:04	triceratux	AnthraciteX: thats why i say theres lots of ways to address the situation. some of them work better than others, just like desktops :)
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2021-06-05 15:15:03	AnthraciteX	I see, well looks like I'll stick with xfce for a while
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2021-06-05 15:15:37	[R]	sounds like a plan
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2021-06-05 15:16:19	AnthraciteX	freenode hostile takeover? Andrew Lee?
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2021-06-05 15:23:05	triceratux	didnt affect me. everything ive seen so far made the network & the channel better
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2021-06-05 15:24:21	mattfly	how can I assign shift + capslock to be the normal caps lock in setxkbmap?
2021-06-05 15:24:22	altwulf	Better for some, not so good for others.
2021-06-05 15:24:42	quartz12	Anyone know why I don't see nvidia driver 450 in my driver manager program on linux mint when I've installed it via the terminal?
2021-06-05 15:24:54	mattfly	im using: setxkbmap -option caps:escape
2021-06-05 15:25:25	crazybit	quartz12: that is a very ubuntu specific issue, you should ask in the ubuntu's irc channel so you can get help faster https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
2021-06-05 15:26:32	quartz12	crazybit: Ok
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2021-06-05 15:27:34	quartz12	crazybit: It says it's invite only :(
2021-06-05 15:27:37	quartz12	Weird
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2021-06-05 15:32:39	crazybit	quartz12: I just tried, it works, you need to be on the libera.chat server, be registered like on freenode, and then join #ubuntu - see the wiki article i linked to above
2021-06-05 15:33:08	crazybit	quartz12: you should be able to stay connected to freenode while doing all of this btw, unless you're using some weird irc client
2021-06-05 15:33:21	BCMM	quartz12: the ubuntu channel on this network got closed
2021-06-05 15:33:45	BCMM	the official channel is now on a different network
2021-06-05 15:33:48	quartz12	Ahhh Ok. Thanks!
2021-06-05 15:34:07	quartz12	I have to restart anyway, I hope what I did works. Thanks again.
2021-06-05 15:34:07	BCMM	quartz12: (along with just about everything else, because of that thing that happened)
2021-06-05 15:34:27	quartz12	BCMM: Yeah I heard. Is freenode's days numbered? :(
2021-06-05 15:35:44	crazybit	BCMM: that's a pretty big overstatement: Freenode current users 58312, Libera current users: 26745
2021-06-05 15:36:10	[R]	yeah, but the billions of useless matrix connections inflate it
2021-06-05 15:36:41	quartz12	Quick question, how can I check if the linux mint repository deleted the nvidia 450 drivers?
2021-06-05 15:38:40	crazybit	wait, you're on linux mint? shesh, could have mentioned that - https://community.linuxmint.com/tutorial/view/12
2021-06-05 15:39:13	crazybit	apt update && apt policy <name-of-nvidia-450-package> would probably work
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2021-06-05 15:39:32	BCMM	crazybit: the actual activity of channels i'm in paints a different picture
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2021-06-05 15:39:45	BCMM	i reckon a lot of people are still connected here but mostly talking in the other place
2021-06-05 15:40:21	quartz12	crazybit: OK thanks :)
2021-06-05 15:40:24	quartz12	I have to reboot now
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2021-06-05 15:40:32	BCMM	but anyway, i meant, like, official channels of major projects have moved
2021-06-05 15:40:39	altwulf	This place still seems lively enough.
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2021-06-05 15:51:39	altwulf	Well... in relative terms. :\
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2021-06-05 15:54:57	oxek	this channel is nothing like what it was 2 weeks ago :\
2021-06-05 15:56:06	altwulf	I've been so caught up in the overall drama that I've not actually paid a lot of attention to any particular channel. It's really far more dead than usual?
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2021-06-05 15:56:31	oxek	yes
2021-06-05 15:56:48	oxek	there was frequent activity in here
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2021-06-05 15:58:38	akk	most people have moved to liberanet
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2021-06-05 15:59:21	altwulf	I've heard it's like that all over here. :(
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2021-06-05 16:36:22	B47E027C2A0730F1	fart fart fart fart fart
2021-06-05 16:36:31	B47E027C2A0730F1	fart fart fart fart fart
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2021-06-05 16:37:10	Prestige	This is pretty interesting to see.. https://i.imgur.com/Bi8DlyF.png
2021-06-05 16:38:07	B47E027C2A0730F1	Fuck Microsoft.  (and fuck freenode too)
2021-06-05 16:38:45	Prestige	Then why are you using freenode?
2021-06-05 16:38:49	Nickwiz	Yes, IE was the worst indeed.
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2021-06-05 16:39:17	Nickwiz	Some are getting desperate lol
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2021-06-05 16:39:49	Nick5erv	Prestige: to collect passwerdz
2021-06-05 16:39:56	Nick5erv	mwah hah hahhahahaha
2021-06-05 16:40:08	 *	Nick5erv does the mad-scientist laugh
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2021-06-05 16:40:35	Prestige	I think you need to collect some sunlight
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2021-06-05 16:41:28	--	Notice(Nick5erv): Your password has expired.  Please paste the following to renew:  /msg Nick5erv RENEW A8D30BF0:0629D027 <your password goes here>
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2021-06-05 16:41:54	Prestige	Stop trying to trick people into PMing you their passwords
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2021-06-05 16:42:10	Nick5erv	Prestige: sheesh, you're cranky
2021-06-05 16:42:19	Nick5erv	what else would I use this nick for?
2021-06-05 16:42:38	[R]	ROFL
2021-06-05 16:42:42	[R]	that's hilarious
2021-06-05 16:44:46	bparker	/whois Nick5erv
2021-06-05 16:45:04	Nick5erv	 /whois bparker
2021-06-05 16:45:34	bparker	Nick5erv: k-line yourself kthx
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2021-06-05 16:46:23	Nick5erv	bparker: if I was an OPER, I have a loooong list of things I'd like to do and people I'd like to K-line.  Myself isn't on that list.  It would be rasengan first, then all his goons, then Sigyn
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2021-06-05 16:46:37	Prestige	Nobody cares
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2021-06-05 16:47:05	Prestige	ty
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2021-06-05 16:47:09	Prestige	thank you*
2021-06-05 16:47:17	altwulf	Thank you for the expansion. :)
2021-06-05 16:48:12	altwulf	The way things are at this moment, the best way to get op attention is to bop on over to the other net and drop into #linux-ops to complain about misbehaviour here.
2021-06-05 16:48:32	altwulf	We've not left, but we can get a bit busy.
2021-06-05 16:49:27	[R]	ROFL
2021-06-05 16:51:39	altwulf	What can I say? I'm irssi on a VPS, and I'm not used to it.
2021-06-05 16:52:41	Prestige	Great now he's yelling in #gentoo
2021-06-05 16:52:47	Prestige	er, ##gentoo
2021-06-05 16:52:47	SpeakerToMeat	I'm weechat under tmux :D
2021-06-05 16:53:03	SpeakerToMeat	Prestige, that should be easy to deal with, just "make clean"
2021-06-05 16:53:13	Prestige	Lol
2021-06-05 16:53:31	Prestige	Weird these people have nothing better to do with their time and energy
2021-06-05 16:54:06	SpeakerToMeat	Well they're "having fun" with it so....
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2021-06-05 16:57:20	Nickwiz	It comes across more as being frantic then having fun though lol
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2021-06-05 16:58:45	SpeakerToMeat	*than
2021-06-05 16:58:48	SpeakerToMeat	:D
2021-06-05 16:58:52	SpeakerToMeat	Some will say it's a call for help
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2021-06-05 16:59:39	SpeakerToMeat	*would
2021-06-05 16:59:44	LeoNice81	can anyone tell me how to create program launch icons for Gnome?
2021-06-05 16:59:46	Nickwiz	Thanks. I'm still learning my English. It never ends.
2021-06-05 17:01:07	Nickwiz	LeoNice81: You mean like a desktop icon?
2021-06-05 17:01:46	LeoNice81	Nickwiz, well yeah, I don't have icons on the desktop but one in the Applications menu or the activities menu?
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2021-06-05 17:03:32	Nickwiz	I have done it, but that is long ago. You have to create a so called desktop-file and make it executable.
2021-06-05 17:04:48	simbaclaws	it's in /usr/share/applications or in ~/.local/share/applications
2021-06-05 17:05:17	simbaclaws	copy an example desktop file and alter it to your needs.
2021-06-05 17:05:24	simbaclaws	/usr/share/applications is system wide
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2021-06-05 17:05:43	puff`	Trying to sort out an suexec problem, is this a good channel for it?
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2021-06-05 17:05:50	LeoNice81	Nichmiz, how do I do that?
2021-06-05 17:06:24	Prestige	lol that dude was PMing me and got k-lined
2021-06-05 17:06:30	Nickwiz	LeoNice81: Look at what simbaclaws said
2021-06-05 17:07:09	simbaclaws	also you might want to sudo chmod +x thedesktopfile.desktop
2021-06-05 17:07:19	simbaclaws	and perhaps ownership as well
2021-06-05 17:07:22	simbaclaws	with chown
2021-06-05 17:08:01	akoana	LeoNice81: you could also use a GUI menu editor, like alacarte for example
2021-06-05 17:08:24	simbaclaws	akoana's idea is easier to do
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2021-06-05 17:09:01	simbaclaws	why do I suck so much at protecting myself :(
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2021-06-05 17:09:18	simbaclaws	cybersec seems hard
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2021-06-05 17:09:50	akoana	the .desktop files need not to be executable though...
2021-06-05 17:10:25	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, I already have one for LibreOffice Start Center, however, it dosent show up in my Applications Menu?
2021-06-05 17:10:34	puff	I accidentally rsync'd some perl scripts to my website.  AFAICT there were no or minimal changes, and I copied a backup over and rsync'd again to revert to the version before... but I started getting "AH01215: suexec policy violation: see suexec log for more details" on the perl script.
2021-06-05 17:11:12	simbaclaws	oh I thought desktop files needed executable mods... Do these files only get read and use the exec line to execute it?
2021-06-05 17:11:26	simbaclaws	LeoNice81 you might need to reboot
2021-06-05 17:11:32	akoana	simbaclaws: yes, that's enough
2021-06-05 17:11:33	puff	So I went and checked the file and directory permissions and lo and behold, they weren't 755, so I chmodded the scripts and directory to 755.  Now it's telling me it can't find the .pm file in @INC... so I'm wondering if the permission changes is somehow keeping them out of @INC.
2021-06-05 17:11:35	simbaclaws	or logout/login in order to see them
2021-06-05 17:12:02	simbaclaws	thanks akoana
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2021-06-05 17:12:07	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, no its already there, theres a bunch of desktop icons that arn't in the Genome Launcher
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2021-06-05 17:12:34	akoana	LeoNice81: what does     grep OnlyShowIn= <whatever>.desktop    say
2021-06-05 17:13:17	simbaclaws	wouldn't OnlyShowIn categorize the applications?
2021-06-05 17:13:29	simbaclaws	do these apps exist in different categories?
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2021-06-05 17:14:13	akoana	for example   OnlyShowIn=MATE;XFCE;  means display menu only in MATE and XFCE
2021-06-05 17:14:43	simbaclaws	nevermind it's DE specific I now see
2021-06-05 17:14:45	simbaclaws	you're right
2021-06-05 17:14:49	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, in Gnome, yes, in /usr/share/applications its just a list of .desktop files
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2021-06-05 17:15:57	simbaclaws	LeoNice81 try what akoana said, there should be a line inside of these files that show in which desktop environments they should be displayed. Check if they are missing GNOME entries
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2021-06-05 17:16:39	inthl	assuming I am using getaddrinfo to get some IP address for a domain, what cache would I have to purge to have this up to date? currently I am doing a lookup with this (C) function, the results are about one day old. using dig or any other shell command does return the updated address
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2021-06-05 17:16:59	LeoNice81	i run grep OnlyShowIn= libreoffice-startcenter.desktop in /user/share/applications?
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2021-06-05 17:17:43	LeoNice81	accepted the command with no output?
2021-06-05 17:18:11	simbaclaws	try: sudo grep -rnw 'OnlyShowIn=' /usr/share/applications/*.desktop
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2021-06-05 17:18:12	Nickwiz	akoana: Interesting. The whole executable "thing" seems to be a utter mess hah
2021-06-05 17:18:19	Nickwiz	I.e. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/373246/140633
2021-06-05 17:18:28	akoana	heh, yes
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2021-06-05 17:20:51	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, that generates a huge list of stuff
2021-06-05 17:20:52	akoana	LeoNice81: indeed, /usr/share/applications/libreoffice-startcenter.desktop has no "OnlyShowIn=" ...
2021-06-05 17:21:15	LeoNice81	akoana so how do I get it to showup in gnome?
2021-06-05 17:22:00	akoana	so it should be in the "Office" category
2021-06-05 17:22:30	akoana	(I don't use gnome)
2021-06-05 17:23:11	LeoNice81	akoana, I only have Writer Calc, and Impress
2021-06-05 17:24:02	druc0d3s	o/
2021-06-05 17:24:02	akoana	do you have a line like "Exec=libreoffice --writer" in /usr/share/applications/libreoffice-startcenter.desktop ?
2021-06-05 17:24:39	simbaclaws	the huge list was meant to show you which desktop entries had which OnlyShowIn= entries, so you could see which do and don't show up in gnome
2021-06-05 17:25:46	simbaclaws	unless you want to check them by hand
2021-06-05 17:26:06	LeoNice81	Exec=libreoffice %U
2021-06-05 17:26:34	akoana	LeoNice81: ah, so it looks different than mine
2021-06-05 17:26:53	simbaclaws	could you wgetpaste your .desktop file LeoNice81?
2021-06-05 17:26:55	LeoNice81	akoana, I have 5 libreoffice-*.desktop files and only 3 launch icons in Gnome?
2021-06-05 17:27:17	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, wgetpaste?
2021-06-05 17:27:35	simbaclaws	wgetpaste is a command to put your .desktop file in a pastebin link so we can see it's contents in irc
2021-06-05 17:28:29	LeoNice81	in libreoffce-writer.desktop I have Exec-libreoffice --writer %U
2021-06-05 17:28:30	akoana	LeoNice81: you said you have "Writer Calc, and Impress" -- that would be consistent with 3 launch icons
2021-06-05 17:28:35	simbaclaws	sudo wgetpaste /usr/share/applications/libreoffice-startcenter.desktop
2021-06-05 17:28:59	LeoNice81	akoana, correct, however I have 5 .desktop files in usr/share/applications
2021-06-05 17:29:13	simbaclaws	some of these desktop entries don't act as executables for actual applications I'm guessing
2021-06-05 17:29:23	simbaclaws	but might be used for other things no?
2021-06-05 17:29:43	akoana	LeoNice81: what are the Exec= lines for the other .desktop files?
2021-06-05 17:29:47	simbaclaws	can you show us what libreoffice-startcenter.desktop does?
2021-06-05 17:29:53	LeoNice81	wgetpaste not found
2021-06-05 17:30:12	simbaclaws	which distro are you on?
2021-06-05 17:32:11	simbaclaws	on ubuntu/debian derivitives you can use pastebinit, on rhel/fedora based os's you can use fpaste
2021-06-05 17:32:15	simbaclaws	I think wgetpaste is for gentoo
2021-06-05 17:32:21	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, there is no libreoffice-startcenter.desktop icon only the file in /usr/share/applications/ however, i have a executable that gives me what I'm looking for im looking for it now
2021-06-05 17:32:27	LeoNice81	Fedora 34
2021-06-05 17:33:02	simbaclaws	try sudo fpaste /usr/share/applications/libreoffice-startcenter.desktop
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2021-06-05 17:33:13	simbaclaws	I want to see what it does
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2021-06-05 17:33:51	akoana	LeoNice81: if you have netcat (nc) you can do:   cat <whatevert>.desktop | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-06-05 17:34:03	simbaclaws	yeah that works distro agnostic
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2021-06-05 17:37:07	LeoNice81	well I found the executable that does what I want before
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2021-06-05 17:38:28	simbaclaws	I think the startcenter is a desktop file that gets executed when any of the libreoffice programs run. The startcenter is what is shown when no files are open at all, so you can select which file to open etc.
2021-06-05 17:38:40	simbaclaws	this probably gets executed from the other desktop files, and hence has no icon
2021-06-05 17:38:46	LeoNice81	Ncat: Could not resolve hostname "termbin": Name or service not known. QUITTING.
2021-06-05 17:39:10	akoana	cat file | nc termbin.com 9999
2021-06-05 17:39:15	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, no I found this in a bin director
2021-06-05 17:39:31	akoana	LeoNice81: you forgot ".com"
2021-06-05 17:39:46	simbaclaws	I was talking about the startcenter desktop file, why it is not being shown in your applications launcher
2021-06-05 17:40:02	LeoNice81	akoana, ok it seems to have gone through https:/;/termin.com/xjig
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2021-06-05 17:40:54	Nickwiz	https://termbin.com/xjig
2021-06-05 17:41:03	akoana	yeah, typo ;)
2021-06-05 17:41:22	simbaclaws	there is a NoDisplay=true in that desktop entry
2021-06-05 17:41:44	simbaclaws	which is why it is not being shown, but probably intentionally because it's probably called from the other libreoffice applications like I said
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2021-06-05 17:42:18	simbaclaws	This might also be the case for other desktop entry files and is why you are not seeing all desktop entries
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2021-06-05 17:42:29	akoana	in LeoNice81's file on termbin it's  "NoDisplay=false" however
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2021-06-05 17:42:55	simbaclaws	what? no it says NoDisplay=true
2021-06-05 17:42:59	simbaclaws	are we looking at the same thing?
2021-06-05 17:43:02	simbaclaws	https://termbin.com/xjig
2021-06-05 17:43:03	LeoNice81	akoana, ?
2021-06-05 17:43:24	LeoNice81	akoana, that what I need to change?
2021-06-05 17:43:31	akoana	oops, I was looking at my file sorry...
2021-06-05 17:43:32	Nickwiz	The doc say it is a convenient way to associate MIME types with a desktop file as well
2021-06-05 17:43:32	simbaclaws	I think you're looking at the wrong line
2021-06-05 17:43:36	simbaclaws	oh lol
2021-06-05 17:43:37	Nickwiz	https://specifications.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/latest/ar01s06.html
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2021-06-05 17:44:16	Nickwiz	(As for the NoDisplay)
2021-06-05 17:44:22	simbaclaws	well if you want to see it in the launcher, which is probably a bad idea because it's probably being invoked from the other libreoffice applications such as calc and writer
2021-06-05 17:44:26	akoana	LeoNice81: do you have a ~/.local/share/applications directory?
2021-06-05 17:44:32	LeoNice81	see I have /usr/bin/libreoffice which when launched from the command line gives me exactly what I want to be able to launch from the desk
2021-06-05 17:44:38	LeoNice81	akoana,
2021-06-05 17:44:43	LeoNice81	yes
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2021-06-05 17:45:18	akoana	LeoNice81: cp /usr/share/applications/libreoffice-startcenter.desktop ~/.local/share/applications
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2021-06-05 17:45:19	simbaclaws	which desktop icons are you missing in your eyes LeoNice81?
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2021-06-05 17:46:10	akoana	LeoNice81: and then edit the ~/.local/share/applications file and change "NoDisplay=true" to "NoDisplay=false"
2021-06-05 17:46:15	Markow	ZRAM is awesome, now using it instead of a partition of a physical drive for my SWAP
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2021-06-05 17:46:25	simbaclaws	https://help.libreoffice.org/latest/he/text/shared/guide/startcenter.html
2021-06-05 17:46:31	simbaclaws	just to show you what this application is
2021-06-05 17:46:43	simbaclaws	and why it is probably what is being opened when running libreoffice
2021-06-05 17:46:43	akoana	LeoNice81: edit the ~/.local/share/applications/libreoffice-startcenter.desktop
2021-06-05 17:46:50	akoana	file
2021-06-05 17:46:52	simbaclaws	it's probably better to start libreoffice, then to start the startcenter
2021-06-05 17:47:06	simbaclaws	just saying
2021-06-05 17:47:15	LeoNice81	got it thanks
2021-06-05 17:47:59	LeoNice81	all I had to do was nano libreoffice-startcenter.desktop and change NoDisplay=false (from true to false)
2021-06-05 17:48:15	akoana	and it works now?
2021-06-05 17:48:28	simbaclaws	this will make it show up, but do you know what it does?
2021-06-05 17:48:43	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, yes however that startcenter gives me access to draw and base which I didn't have icons for either, plus it shows the active documents
2021-06-05 17:48:46	simbaclaws	it's basically the same as running libreoffice calc, writer etc with no documents open
2021-06-05 17:49:03	simbaclaws	hmmmm
2021-06-05 17:49:08	simbaclaws	maybe I'm mistaken here
2021-06-05 17:49:17	LeoNice81	simbaclaws, well it gives me the same welcome screen with active documents that I get with libre office on windows.
2021-06-05 17:49:18	simbaclaws	probably a better idea to get draw and base icons then though
2021-06-05 17:49:37	LeoNice81	Anyway that one change made all the difference, I need to use restroom, brb
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2021-06-05 17:49:47	simbaclaws	hmmm I thought it was a screen that opened when any of the libreoffice applications are opened without a document open
2021-06-05 17:49:49	simbaclaws	perhaps I'm mistaken
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2021-06-05 17:50:46	simbaclaws	You see the Start Center when no document is open in LibreOffice.
2021-06-05 17:50:52	simbaclaws	this is literally what the doc says :/
2021-06-05 17:51:02	akoana	I think LeoNice81 got what was wanted...
2021-06-05 17:51:08	simbaclaws	yes that's true
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2021-06-05 17:51:58	simbaclaws	I'm just confused how this is any different from running any of the libreoffice suite apps on startup, does it not startup the startup center when you open them?
2021-06-05 17:52:11	simbaclaws	or does it only run the startup center for that specific application?
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2021-06-05 17:52:26	simbaclaws	I want to know for myself
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2021-06-05 17:52:53	simbaclaws	guess I'll install libreoffice and find out
2021-06-05 17:53:10	akoana	yes, and it displays the recent files and offers a menu for starting writer, calc, impress, etc.
2021-06-05 17:54:03	Nickwiz	If one open calc, writer etc without a doc. One get a new doc in that specific sub-application
2021-06-05 17:54:06	simbaclaws	seems a bit double no?
2021-06-05 17:54:20	simbaclaws	ah ok
2021-06-05 17:54:33	simbaclaws	so the start center only shows up when opening up the start center?
2021-06-05 17:54:35	Nickwiz	With "core" libreoffice one gate a start-center like ting
2021-06-05 17:54:40	simbaclaws	or is there also a general core libreoffice app?
2021-06-05 17:54:45	simbaclaws	aaaaah
2021-06-05 17:54:47	simbaclaws	gotcha
2021-06-05 17:55:11	simbaclaws	then why is there a core libreoffice app AND a startcenter desktop entry?
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2021-06-05 17:56:05	simbaclaws	I'm even more confused now
2021-06-05 17:56:09	akoana	the start center also appears when you "close" instead of "quit" calc, writer, etc.
2021-06-05 17:56:11	Nickwiz	entry where?
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2021-06-05 17:56:36	simbaclaws	well LeoNice had a startcenter desktop entry and I believe also a core libreoffice entry no?
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2021-06-05 17:57:00	akoana	I guess it meant the same...
2021-06-05 17:57:17	simbaclaws	but why????
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2021-06-05 17:57:39	Nickwiz	The NoDisplay variant is perhaps used for MIME association
2021-06-05 17:57:55	simbaclaws	that makes sense
2021-06-05 17:57:58	Nickwiz	“This can be useful to e.g. associate this application with MIME types, so that it gets launched from a file manager”
2021-06-05 17:58:17	Nickwiz	So for example in dolphin or what ever
2021-06-05 17:59:00	Nickwiz	But I'm only guessing. Not my field of expertise :P
2021-06-05 17:59:12	simbaclaws	MimeType=application/vnd.openofficeorg.extension;x-scheme-handler/vnd.libreoffice.cmis;
2021-06-05 17:59:17	simbaclaws	this was inside of the entry
2021-06-05 17:59:24	simbaclaws	you could be on to something here
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2021-06-05 18:01:17	simbaclaws	will it give problems if you use the startcenter that is meant for type associations as the actual binary executable?
2021-06-05 18:01:27	Nickwiz	It also say "there are tons of good reasons for this, including e.g. the netscape -remote, or kfmclient openURL kind of stuff"
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2021-06-05 18:03:36	simbaclaws	hmmm this also seems like the mime-type is handling the x-scheme-handler so that libreoffice scheme url's work with libreoffice no?
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2021-06-05 18:07:17	simbaclaws	cya I'm off
2021-06-05 18:07:27	Nickwiz	Laters
2021-06-05 18:07:55	simbaclaws	I might've missed what you said, I think I dc'd
2021-06-05 18:08:45	Nickwiz	dc'd?
2021-06-05 18:08:52	simbaclaws	disconnected
2021-06-05 18:08:53	simbaclaws	sorry
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2021-06-05 18:09:12	Nickwiz	I got it once I pressed enter lol
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2021-06-05 18:09:31	simbaclaws	:P
2021-06-05 18:09:47	simbaclaws	well anyways, thanks for the great learning experience :D
2021-06-05 18:09:50	simbaclaws	byebye
2021-06-05 18:10:08	Nickwiz	Bye bye
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2021-06-05 18:13:32	Nickwiz	LeoNice81: From Arch, they have this sequence:
2021-06-05 18:13:36	Nickwiz	desktop-file-validate <your desktop file>
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2021-06-05 18:13:43	Nickwiz	desktop-file-install --dir=$HOME/.local/share/applications ~/app.desktop
2021-06-05 18:13:50	Nickwiz	update-desktop-database ~/.local/share/applications
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2021-06-05 18:14:59	Nickwiz	Have not looked at the man-pages for those commands, but at least dektop-file-validate and update-desktop-database looks to be sensible to use
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2021-06-05 18:15:25	Nickwiz	Instead of trying and failing. As in : for another time :P
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2021-06-05 19:43:32	gnUser	Woah what happened that now the Ubuntu channel has been moved away from Freenode?
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2021-06-05 19:43:42	[R]	the world is coming to an end
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2021-06-05 19:45:24	gnUser	cool story
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2021-06-05 20:04:59	terabit	it's the year 2021 and people are migrating away from IRC.... back to IRC ugh
2021-06-05 20:05:42	Nickwiz	It's called exorcism. Ubuntu channel sources evil spirits.
2021-06-05 20:06:05	terabit	like..if you're going to migrate your entire community anyway, why not use a modern platform? the only appeal of IRC is being able to use telnet/netcat/openssl as a client lol
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2021-06-05 20:09:15	SpeakerToMeat	terabit, a platform like what... Discord so you can add videos and gif memes? or slack so you can drive people to suicide?
2021-06-05 20:10:02	SpeakerToMeat	I say, the real future lies in SMS messages sent to distribution lists over UHF moon bounces encoded on X.25 in packet radio
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2021-06-05 20:10:52	terabit	SpeakerToMeat: or Matrix ... anything with e2ee and backlog/scrollback, long text, file transfer,etc..
2021-06-05 20:11:14	Nickwiz	It's like "modern web pages" where one have to have at least 10 effects when hovering a button, which of course is no button but a shadow doom subroutine of 10k lines of code.
2021-06-05 20:11:19	[R]	terabit: irc has file transfer...
2021-06-05 20:11:27	[R]	terabit: who wants to read a novel?
2021-06-05 20:11:32	terabit	[R]: secure file transfer?
2021-06-05 20:11:51	[R]	lol
2021-06-05 20:11:55	terabit	as in you don't have to trust the server op/staff lol
2021-06-05 20:12:06	[R]	irc dcc is peer to peer
2021-06-05 20:12:19	SpeakerToMeat	terabit, .... except text splitting, irc has everything you've mentioned...
2021-06-05 20:12:32	terabit	Nickwiz: honestly, scrollback is the only major feature lacking for me. everything else is a security issue
2021-06-05 20:12:46	[R]	terabit: i have scrollback...
2021-06-05 20:12:48	SpeakerToMeat	terabit, change to an irc client with scrollback? mine has it
2021-06-05 20:12:56	SpeakerToMeat	and search, and...
2021-06-05 20:13:05	terabit	SpeakerToMeat: when I say scrollback, I mean for people who join the channel for the first time or who parted and came back later
2021-06-05 20:13:05	Skunky	and isn't owned by a single person who can just change things whenever they like.  oh, wait, it is, here.
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2021-06-05 20:13:18	terabit	i.e.: you don't miss out on conversations,period
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2021-06-05 20:13:33	[R]	who wants to read 5 years of history
2021-06-05 20:13:40	terabit	also... the ability to remove messages (very useful against trolls/bots)
2021-06-05 20:14:12	terabit	[R]: maybe not 5 years then lol... I mean matrix has this and weechat supports it so..
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2021-06-05 20:15:01	terabit	I'm just saying, IRC has to die some day. either slow and painful or fast and explicit
2021-06-05 20:15:19	[R]	nope
2021-06-05 20:15:26	[R]	irc is forever
2021-06-05 20:15:29	[R]	just like diamonds
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2021-06-05 20:16:01	SpeakerToMeat	I wonder if we COULD implement irc over rtty using radio....
2021-06-05 20:16:22	Nickwiz	More like gravity. We do not even understand what it is.
2021-06-05 20:16:45	terabit	well, I'm not leaving freenode anytime soon myself but would be nice if communities like this one  and ubuntu used modern platforms friendly to younger people and the general public... and  don't require trusting shady server operators
2021-06-05 20:16:49	SpeakerToMeat	We think we kinda do. But only if you're an atom or bigger
2021-06-05 20:17:12	[R]	friednly to younger people
2021-06-05 20:17:13	[R]	rofl
2021-06-05 20:17:18	[R]	i was young when i started on irc
2021-06-05 20:17:21	[R]	are you saying kids now are just stupid?
2021-06-05 20:17:39	SpeakerToMeat	[R], I was youn when I started on dialup and then telnet accessed mucks
2021-06-05 20:17:46	terabit	[R]: not stupid... the opposite. smart enough to avoid a janky 4-5 decade year old platform
2021-06-05 20:17:50	[R]	rofl
2021-06-05 20:18:02	[R]	terabit: exagerate much?
2021-06-05 20:18:17	[R]	5 decades, lol
2021-06-05 20:18:57	terabit	i don't know when the rfc was released but i know it was after email before www
2021-06-05 20:19:02	terabit	35-45 years?
2021-06-05 20:19:04	terabit	idk
2021-06-05 20:19:26	[R]	1988
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2021-06-05 20:20:04	terabit	yeah, different world now. I use slack,matrix,etc... i hate the bloatware but love the content/features
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2021-06-05 20:22:23	terabit	all i know is freenode/libera still can't manage spam properly. i still get floods of gnaa spam bots without me ever accepting the PM , i still have to rely on irccloud to not miss on months of scrollbacks when i'm unavailable and I still can't talk about anything remotely confidential to anyone I meet on IRC because coordinating clients that support otr is the only way (and good luck verifying TOFU keys)
2021-06-05 20:22:52	terabit	"if the horse has been dead 10 years, dismount!"
2021-06-05 20:22:52	SpeakerToMeat	Oh my god, by now I'm kinda hopping you migrae to newer procotols soon.
2021-06-05 20:22:56	SpeakerToMeat	Sorry
2021-06-05 20:23:01	[R]	so put on the mode that prevents msgs
2021-06-05 20:23:19	[R]	you are free to leave though
2021-06-05 20:23:19	terabit	[R]: then I miss actual messages from chans I OP
2021-06-05 20:23:21	[R]	and quit your whining
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2021-06-05 20:24:07	terabit	no, I'll stick around till the end myself...just stop apologizing for IRC
2021-06-05 20:24:17	triceratux	terabit: i got the matrix bridges working on freenode & libera. do you trust folks you meet on matrix ? just because its encrypted doesnt mean its private
2021-06-05 20:24:39	terabit	triceratux: cool, still can't get it to work on libera, tip appreciated
2021-06-05 20:25:02	triceratux	terabit: i do like how element.io keeps all your conversations available. thats something irc doesnt do without those brittle bouncers
2021-06-05 20:25:06	terabit	triceratux: if it's not private then it's not encrypted right? do you mean authentication?
2021-06-05 20:25:47	triceratux	terabit: no idea. the libera bridge has a weird name & it wasnt documented when i got it working a few days ago
2021-06-05 20:26:20	terabit	they made me send an email to them...still waiting on a reply (matrix side has too many users or something)
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2021-06-05 20:27:00	triceratux	terabit: its @appservice:libera.chat & @nickserv:libera.chat
2021-06-05 20:27:23	triceratux	it gets sloggy. i think the word is unstable :)
2021-06-05 20:27:27	terabit	triceratux: did you have to PM appservice and get it to join?
2021-06-05 20:28:11	triceratux	terabit: thats what i always do. nothing but !join commands. & rattle nickservs cage if the invite doesnt appear
2021-06-05 20:28:21	terabit	it was a bit like that with freenode too. part of my point was how people that may never have joined irc were joining through the matrix bridge
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2021-06-05 20:28:40	terabit	triceratux: thanks a lot! let me try that now
2021-06-05 20:30:19	triceratux	terabit: on element.io sometimes you have to get stale channels to vanish. you have to be talking directly to appservice & nickserv. sometimes a logout clears them when they get stuck
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2021-06-05 20:33:48	terabit	triceratux: thanks, let me rattle those bots and see if i can get it working
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2021-06-05 21:51:06	Golden_Hawk	Hey guys.. need some help here.. currently on a aws ubuntu server...
2021-06-05 21:51:52	Golden_Hawk	i need to change "drwxrwxr-x 6 bitnami daemon 4.0K" to "drwxrwxr-x 5 bitnami daemon 4.0K" how do i change the 6 to 5??
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2021-06-05 21:53:04	Golden_Hawk	i appreciate the help from anyone... x.x
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2021-06-05 22:03:14	Nickwiz	If you mean from ls, then 6 is the number of hardlinks ... what is this? A directory?
2021-06-05 22:03:44	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: yes it is a directory
2021-06-05 22:04:10	Nickwiz	A directory with 4 sub directories?
2021-06-05 22:04:11	rascul	terabit '/mode +R' cuts out most of the spam private messages
2021-06-05 22:05:04	rascul	it means only registered users can pm you
2021-06-05 22:05:28	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: no it has 3 directories.. and a bunch of files
2021-06-05 22:05:30	Lutin	Oeh... my 3 node swarm cluster between DC's is so nice
2021-06-05 22:05:56	Lutin	Maybe I'm not even going k8s/rancher for my own large cluster
2021-06-05 22:08:06	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: its a wordpress directory.. i made a mistake trying to give permissions to overwrite files through ftps... and now the wordpress doesnt have acces to move files... im trying to undo the mistake.. made a fresh install and now im trying to give the same permissions of the fresh install to the current one...
2021-06-05 22:09:04	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: so the only difference  is that number... thats why im trying to change the "6" to "5"....
2021-06-05 22:10:57	Nickwiz	Well, the 6 normally is hardlinks to a node
2021-06-05 22:12:05	Golden_Hawk	ive been searching on how to change it.. but havent found anything yet..
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2021-06-05 22:15:51	Nickwiz	What file-system is this?
2021-06-05 22:16:30	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: sorry.. what do you mean? its on a AWS ubuntu server...
2021-06-05 22:17:15	Nickwiz	df -T .
2021-06-05 22:17:39	Nickwiz	Type, second column
2021-06-05 22:17:44	Lutin	Damn I feel sexy with this swarm :D
2021-06-05 22:19:59	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: https://ibb.co/xChwYWC
2021-06-05 22:21:03	Nickwiz	You forgot the dot ;), but guess it is the ext4
2021-06-05 22:21:17	Golden_Hawk	hhmm.. hold on
2021-06-05 22:21:38	Nickwiz	df -T .  or df -T the-dir
2021-06-05 22:21:49	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: ok
2021-06-05 22:21:52	Nickwiz	also, stat <the-dir> say Links: 6 ?
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2021-06-05 22:24:45	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: links: 5 .... https://ibb.co/4mYDYfs
2021-06-05 22:25:07	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: i guess what i need is change it to 6...
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2021-06-05 22:26:41	Nickwiz	Not sure how that should change anything, it is typically sub-directories in the directory
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2021-06-05 22:27:03	Nickwiz	As it say 5 you should have 3 as (. and .. also counts)
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2021-06-05 22:28:06	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: ok.. so that number has nothing to do with permissions .. ?
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2021-06-05 22:28:55	Nickwiz	nope. Try this: mkdir foo; ls -la; mkdir foo/a; ls -la; mkdir foo/b; ls -la
2021-06-05 22:29:12	WhitePaperKat	yes
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2021-06-05 22:30:57	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: permission denied...
2021-06-05 22:30:59	WhitePaperKat	i prefur ls -al
2021-06-05 22:31:14	WhitePaperKat	or yeah
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2021-06-05 22:33:15	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: i doesn allow me on both ... on the fresh install... and on the one im trying to fix..
2021-06-05 22:34:25	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: ok.. i didnt explain what i did... and what im trying to undo... lets start there... -.-
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2021-06-05 22:35:33	Nickwiz	Who owns /apps/wordpress ?
2021-06-05 22:35:48	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: what i did was "chown -R bitnami" after that command i was able to override files through ftps (filezilla) but now the wordpress is not able to install plugins... now wordpress is asking me user and password for ftp...
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2021-06-05 22:36:55	Nickwiz	You did that while in /apps/wordpress ?
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2021-06-05 22:38:07	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: the exact command was "chown -R bitnami htdocs/"
2021-06-05 22:38:19	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: while on wordpress/
2021-06-05 22:39:10	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: owner of wordpress is root
2021-06-05 22:39:11	Nickwiz	what user does aws use on the other directories? www-data?
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2021-06-05 22:39:59	Nickwiz	I have never used aws, so a bit in the wild
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2021-06-05 22:41:45	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: for what i can see only users are root and bitnami
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2021-06-05 22:46:01	terabit	rascul: i need unregistered users to PM me and spam bots do register their nick
2021-06-05 22:46:08	terabit	ty though
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2021-06-05 22:47:09	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: https://ibb.co/DkfGsBq  on the left side is the fresh install... and on the right side the one im trying to fix.. the only difference i see is the 5 and 6
2021-06-05 22:47:56	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: could be any other difference that is not listed there? having in mind that what i did was  "chown -R bitnami htdocs/"
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2021-06-05 22:53:16	Nickwiz	Well, if they should be identical - the 6 say they are not. But that should not affect the access issue.
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2021-06-05 22:53:49	Nickwiz	My guess is that daemon had ownership on a sub-directory where wordpress writes
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2021-06-05 22:54:34	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: well ive been stuck with this... i guess ill use the backup copy i have.. and delete everything and mount it again... -.-
2021-06-05 22:55:50	Nickwiz	Check permissions on directories in sub-folders (of htdocks)
2021-06-05 22:56:38	Nickwiz	Sure you do not have a fourth "hidden" directory on the damaged one? You'll need to ls with the -a flag
2021-06-05 22:57:24	Nickwiz	typically .foo as opposed to foo
2021-06-05 23:00:14	Golden_Hawk	ok checking
2021-06-05 23:00:18	Nickwiz	Try something like find htdocks -user daemon -type d
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2021-06-05 23:02:45	gambl0re	hello?
2021-06-05 23:03:36	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: yes there are a lot of differences on the permissions of the subdirectories of httdocs/
2021-06-05 23:04:01	Nickwiz	Also, this should list all directly under htdocks: find htdocks -maxdepth 1 -type d
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2021-06-05 23:06:19	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: https://ibb.co/wRGX1Kn
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2021-06-05 23:08:06	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: i screw up really bad... lol
2021-06-05 23:08:22	Nickwiz	You have 4 directories in the bad one
2021-06-05 23:08:31	Nickwiz	.idea is a directory
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2021-06-05 23:08:59	Golden_Hawk	yes thats from a wordpress plugin...not important
2021-06-05 23:09:14	Nickwiz	you also have a .htaccess, which you do not have in the other
2021-06-05 23:09:38	Nickwiz	Yes, but that accounts for the diff between 5 and 6 on the second column in ls
2021-06-05 23:10:03	Golden_Hawk	yea.. i though that number had something to do with permissions..
2021-06-05 23:10:17	Nickwiz	Nope :)
2021-06-05 23:10:46	Nickwiz	You can negate the find command as well by using: find ! -user foo
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2021-06-05 23:11:06	Nickwiz	important with the spaces around ! there
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2021-06-05 23:11:34	Golden_Hawk	it definatelly its going to be faster and easeir to restore the backup...
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2021-06-05 23:12:05	Nickwiz	Sure. But it can be you learn more by fixing it first ;P
2021-06-05 23:12:24	Nickwiz	first fix it, then restore in case you missed something
2021-06-05 23:13:56	Golden_Hawk	that sounds good... i actually will still need to be able to overwrite files from filezilla... without breaking the wordpress.. lol
2021-06-05 23:14:25	Nickwiz	It is also usually easier to do: some command | nc termbin.com 9999 , when posting stuff here
2021-06-05 23:14:53	Golden_Hawk	what do you mean
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2021-06-05 23:15:59	Nickwiz	for example: ls -la | nc termbin.com 9999 , you get a link in the terminal that you can paste here (with text)
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2021-06-05 23:16:59	Golden_Hawk	https://termbin.com/lje1g jmm.. cool
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2021-06-05 23:18:29	Nickwiz	I have aliases for it alias p@termbin='nc -v termbin.com 9999' , and alias pp@termbin='nc termbin.com 9999 | xclip -selection c'
2021-06-05 23:18:47	Nickwiz	The latter copies the link to clipboard as well, ...
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2021-06-05 23:19:33	Nickwiz	Then we can do curl https://termbin.com/lje1g on our side :)
2021-06-05 23:21:36	Nickwiz	Or curl https://termbin.com/lje1g | lolcat
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2021-06-05 23:23:27	Golden_Hawk	on my side the curl worked with .. | cat  not lolcat  ... lol
2021-06-05 23:24:27	Nickwiz	lolcat gives colorful print :P
2021-06-05 23:24:56	Golden_Hawk	hmm.. is not install on the server i guess..
2021-06-05 23:25:05	Nickwiz	You nah likely not
2021-06-05 23:25:17	Nickwiz	s/You //
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2021-06-05 23:26:47	CowsAreFriend	you may have more luck with cowsay
2021-06-05 23:27:42	Golden_Hawk	nope.. not there either.. but i guess i can install lolcat
2021-06-05 23:27:55	Golden_Hawk	how is it... ? apt-get?? something..
2021-06-05 23:28:19	Nickwiz	sudo apt-get install lolcat
2021-06-05 23:29:03	Golden_Hawk	lol... it worked..
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2021-06-05 23:30:51	Nickwiz	One should have cowsay, lolcat, figlet, toilet, fortune etc. :P
2021-06-05 23:31:12	CowsAreFriend	very important
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2021-06-05 23:31:59	Golden_Hawk	yea well my interaction with linux in this moment its with the ubuntu server... my next goal is to upgrade php 7.3 to 7.4 wordpress is asking for it...
2021-06-05 23:32:28	Golden_Hawk	is that possible with apt-get?
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2021-06-05 23:34:42	Nickwiz	If it is on the repository
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2021-06-05 23:36:13	Golden_Hawk	hmm.. ok... first ill fix my mega-screw-up... lol.. almost there i think
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2021-06-05 23:42:30	Nickwiz	One typically have at least 3 options. 1. by apt-get, 2. If not in repo add PPA and update, 3. Build from source.
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2021-06-05 23:43:44	Nickwiz	Usually a good idea to read the migration pages e.g. https://www.php.net/migration74 (spes the incompatibilities section)
2021-06-05 23:44:21	Nickwiz	But if WordPress is asking, and you do not have other things depending on it, it's not an issue
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2021-06-05 23:45:46	oops	using wireguard to visit some website , it's always prompt "SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN" error, that site has " Warning: Potential Security Risk Ahead" etc, how to fix it
2021-06-05 23:46:19	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: yes this server is only for wordpress... not using it for anything else...
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2021-06-05 23:47:31	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: its not an issue perse... but it is telling me to upgrade to 7.4, i think ill do it next week.. but first ill do some test runs on a different server so i wont screwup again the website... lol
2021-06-05 23:47:41	ZenixOwler	little help please, i think my Arch linux mirror list is out of date and is broken so i am intending on updating it but i am also intending to delete the /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist and replace with a new one, so will that have any side affect ?
2021-06-05 23:47:58	ZenixOwler	since Arch doesn't have Ctrl - C and Ctrl - V, try updating and checking each one can be a little painful
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2021-06-05 23:49:41	Golden_Hawk	ZenixOwler: official arch linux support has moved to libera.chat
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2021-06-05 23:51:06	ZenixOwler	oh ok thank
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2021-06-05 23:57:15	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: its fixed!! wordpress is back.. lol
2021-06-05 23:57:35	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: thanks for the help...
2021-06-05 23:57:52	Nickwiz	Good. Hope you learned something :P
2021-06-05 23:58:38	Golden_Hawk	indeed..
2021-06-05 23:58:57	Golden_Hawk	specially test everything on a test server ... lol
2021-06-05 23:59:29	Nickwiz	yes. That is always a _very_ good idea lol
2021-06-06 00:01:23	Golden_Hawk	ok... so... when i did the "chown -R bitnami htdocs/" it did allow me to overwrite files through filezilla...  how do i achieve that with out killing my website.. lol
2021-06-06 00:01:40	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: any ideas where to start?
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2021-06-06 00:06:42	dongbag	Hey, I have a system which I want to use multicast on - but the system does not have an Ethernet interface, only loopback (using multicast like dbus here, one local application to another)
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2021-06-06 00:07:12	dongbag	I had to add "route add -net 239.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev lo" to my route table to get it to "work"
2021-06-06 00:07:27	dongbag	is this because by default kernel will not use the lo interface for multicast?
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2021-06-06 00:08:01	[R]	its because the kernel needs to know where to send the data
2021-06-06 00:08:33	dongbag	if I do have an ethernet cable plugged in, and lets say eth0 is up, it knows it needs to send it to eth0 with no intervention
2021-06-06 00:08:52	[R]	because you have a default route
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2021-06-06 00:09:26	dongbag	ah, that makes sense
2021-06-06 00:09:46	dongbag	thanks r
2021-06-06 00:10:18	[R]	using multicast in this situation seems stupid though
2021-06-06 00:10:42	dongbag	It's not my code, i'm stuck just making it work
2021-06-06 00:10:44	Nickwiz	Golden_Hawk: Don't you use the bitnami user when using filezilla?
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2021-06-06 00:13:03	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: yes the user is bitnami with a ppk key file..
2021-06-06 00:14:40	Nickwiz	From the shots it looks like bitnami has ownership + rw permissions.
2021-06-06 00:14:49	Nickwiz	I'm missing something here
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2021-06-06 00:17:25	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: apparentlly the problem is only on this directory "/opt/bitnami/apps/wordpress/htdocs/wp-content/"
2021-06-06 00:17:31	Golden_Hawk	wp-content
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2021-06-06 00:18:58	Nickwiz	As in: drwxr-xr-x  8 bitnami daemon  4096 Jun  6 00:09 wp-content ?
2021-06-06 00:19:12	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: yes i cant overwrite any file inside that folder..
2021-06-06 00:19:15	Golden_Hawk	hold on
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2021-06-06 00:21:50	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz:
2021-06-06 00:21:50	Golden_Hawk	https://termbin.com/58a6
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2021-06-06 00:23:00	Nickwiz	So you can upload new files but not overwrite perhaps?
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2021-06-06 00:23:05	node1	Does anyone knows how to represent on Y axis correct decimal precision using rrdtool graph.? I have tried using --alt-autoscale  --lower-limit -0.00001 --rigid --alt-y-grid --vertical-label seconds -X 0 but no luck in representing original data
2021-06-06 00:23:16	node1	 Please find the original data here https://pastebin.com/raw/TwNGFrt5
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2021-06-06 00:24:23	[R]	people still use rrdtool!?
2021-06-06 00:24:28	[R]	its the 22nd century
2021-06-06 00:24:44	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: no.. i cant upload new files either...
2021-06-06 00:25:20	Prestige	We're in the 22nd century already? That was fast
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2021-06-06 00:25:50	node1	[R], Unfortunately i'm using it. And most of the morden monitoring tool still uses rrdtool as backend.
2021-06-06 00:26:06	[R]	no
2021-06-06 00:26:17	[R]	grafana...
2021-06-06 00:26:28	node1	Like cacti, grafana and others
2021-06-06 00:26:44	[R]	grafana has nothing to do with rrdtool
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2021-06-06 00:27:46	node1	fine. But here how could i scale my original data on Y axis.
2021-06-06 00:27:57	Nickwiz	Golden_Hawk: Sorry I'm slow here, I'm doing some other work lol. But do not quite get it.
2021-06-06 00:28:47	Nickwiz	So you can for example write to wp-admin and wp-includes, but not wp-content?
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2021-06-06 00:32:28	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: its ok i understand... i cant upload and/or overwrite anything inside htdocs "/opt/bitnami/apps/wordpress/htdocs"
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2021-06-06 00:33:34	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: but i specifically needs to work only on "wp-content" "/opt/bitnami/apps/wordpress/htdocs/wp-content/" i dont need access to the other folders
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2021-06-06 00:39:31	Nickwiz	You have to sudo to touch foo in wp-content?
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2021-06-06 00:43:51	Nickwiz	As per this: https://termbin.com/lje1g you have write access to htdocs
2021-06-06 00:44:19	Nickwiz	https://termbin.com/58a6 show write access on wp-content
2021-06-06 00:44:27	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: yes i just tried to modify a .txt and it wont let me unless i use sudo
2021-06-06 00:44:55	Nickwiz	yes, but can you create a new file. As in touch foo.txt
2021-06-06 00:45:09	Nickwiz	Where foo.txt does not exist
2021-06-06 00:45:26	Nickwiz	inside wp-content
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2021-06-06 00:48:07	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz:  it just tried "sudo > foo.txt" it gives me "-bash: foo.txt: Permission denied"
2021-06-06 00:48:14	Golden_Hawk	inside wp-content
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2021-06-06 00:50:05	altwulf	wigums, what was the point of that?
2021-06-06 00:50:56	wigums	altwulf ?
2021-06-06 00:51:46	altwulf	wigums, kindly disregard. I misunderstood what I was reading. I thought you did a pile of nick changes. You didn't.
2021-06-06 00:52:20	Nickwiz	OK. I meant literally 'touch', as in $ touch foo, 'sudo > foo.txt' does not give much meaning :), not that it matter here though.
2021-06-06 00:52:28	altwulf	My apartment is like an oven, I'm hot, I have a headache, and feeling pretty goddamn grumpy.
2021-06-06 00:53:40	Nickwiz	As a side note. you would have to do something like "echo hello | sudo tee foo.txt" as the sudo privilege is lost trough the '>'
2021-06-06 00:54:05	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: touch: cannot touch 'foo': Permission denied
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2021-06-06 00:57:00	Nickwiz	Then I'm at a loss. What does "stat ." say?
2021-06-06 00:57:25	Nickwiz	when you are in that directory
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2021-06-06 00:59:02	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: https://termbin.com/eto6
2021-06-06 00:59:02	altwulf	Golden_Hawk: is the x (execute) bit set on the directory where you want this file?
2021-06-06 00:59:38	Nickwiz	ok. That is not the same permission as in the ls you posted ...
2021-06-06 00:59:39	Golden_Hawk	altwulf: sorry dont undertand... what do you mean?
2021-06-06 01:00:03	altwulf	Golden_Hawk: show the permissions on the directory in which you want this file. Also show its owners.
2021-06-06 01:00:18	Nickwiz	altwulf: It is in the paste
2021-06-06 01:00:28	Nickwiz	Access: (0755/drwxr-xr-x)  Uid: (    1/  daemon)   Gid: (    1/  daemon)
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2021-06-06 01:00:52	altwulf	OK, and as what user are you trying to modify the file you want to modify?
2021-06-06 01:01:17	Nickwiz	but in the 'ls' post it was:
2021-06-06 01:01:18	Nickwiz	drwxr-xr-x  8 bitnami daemon  4096 Jun  6 00:09 wp-content
2021-06-06 01:01:37	altwulf	Eh?
2021-06-06 01:01:41	Nickwiz	Hawk is trying to read/write over filezilla with user bitnami
2021-06-06 01:01:49	Golden_Hawk	altwulf: i belive it should be the sftp user "bitnami"
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2021-06-06 01:01:55	Nickwiz	yes, so it's not the same one
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2021-06-06 01:02:03	altwulf	Show your ssh invocation line.
2021-06-06 01:02:10	altwulf	Or sftp, or whatever.
2021-06-06 01:02:25	Golden_Hawk	invocation line?
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2021-06-06 01:02:42	altwulf	Exactly what command line syntax did you use to try to copy the file over?
2021-06-06 01:02:54	 *	altwulf knows nothing of filezilla :(
2021-06-06 01:02:55	Nickwiz	You could add bitnami to the daemon group
2021-06-06 01:03:04	altwulf	That might not be needed.
2021-06-06 01:03:15	Nickwiz	filezilla is a GUI sftp thingy
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2021-06-06 01:04:22	Golden_Hawk	altwulf: i dont use any command... im using filezilla to move files...
2021-06-06 01:05:07	SureSumbat	how to make sockbot on linux
2021-06-06 01:05:12	altwulf	I gonna hafta install filezilla? ::sigh::
2021-06-06 01:05:18	altwulf	SureSumbat: What's a sockbot?
2021-06-06 01:05:50	SureSumbat	bot does load clone into server .. so we can play kick kick
2021-06-06 01:05:53	Golden_Hawk	altwulf: the objective is to be able to move/replace/overwrite files through sftp or filezilla in this case
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2021-06-06 01:06:12	altwulf	sftp should be easy.
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2021-06-06 01:06:45	Golden_Hawk	altwulf: yes but its not allowing me... it says permission denied on the folder i need to work...
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2021-06-06 01:07:47	Nickwiz	daemon is typically same as www-user on apache
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2021-06-06 01:08:00	altwulf	I'm altwulf on this machine. When I want to sftp something to jongwulf (as user jongwulf), I'll do this: sftp jongwulf@jongwulf.host.mask
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2021-06-06 01:09:30	Nickwiz	daemon, who has both user and group ownership is not a regular user in that regard.
2021-06-06 01:09:41	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: i just mounted a new server to test with an identical copy of the site.. (so i wont brake the the site again lol) how do i add bitnami to the deamon group... lets try that..
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2021-06-06 01:11:43	Nickwiz	You are already in that group perhaps. When logged in as bitnami, is it in groups?
2021-06-06 01:11:46	 *	altwulf is poking at filezilla
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2021-06-06 01:12:31	Nickwiz	As in the command "groups"
2021-06-06 01:13:19	Golden_Hawk	no deamon its not on the "groups" list
2021-06-06 01:13:43	altwulf	Crap - filezilla uses ftp?
2021-06-06 01:13:47	Nickwiz	the daemon group only has read permission though, so one would have to elevate permissions for group as well.
2021-06-06 01:14:19	Nickwiz	If doing it that way.
2021-06-06 01:14:52	Golden_Hawk	altwulf: filezilla is a ftp client..
2021-06-06 01:15:17	altwulf	I can't help with that. Not setting up ftp on the VPS.
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2021-06-06 01:18:52	altwulf	Golden_Hawk: can you ssh into the machine where you want this file?
2021-06-06 01:18:54	rascul	filezilla does a bunch more than ftp though
2021-06-06 01:19:06	altwulf	rascul: how do you make it use sftp?
2021-06-06 01:19:35	rascul	i don't remember but i vaguely recall there's some dropdown that you have to select sftp
2021-06-06 01:19:45	Nickwiz	By groups one would have to do something like: usermod -a -G daemon bitnami; chmod g+w -R wp-content
2021-06-06 01:19:56	Nickwiz	and log out / in bitnami
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2021-06-06 01:20:12	Nickwiz	But likely a better way,
2021-06-06 01:20:15	rascul	"Supports FTP, FTP over SSL/TLS (FTPS) and SSH File Transfer Protocol (SFTP)"   https://filezilla-project.org/client_features.php
2021-06-06 01:20:20	Golden_Hawk	altwulf: on connection config you select protocol sftp and on login you select key file
2021-06-06 01:20:24	Nickwiz	daemon likely does not have a login
2021-06-06 01:20:34	Nickwiz	just like www-data
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2021-06-06 01:24:25	Nickwiz	point is that bitnami is the user. Does not have root privileges but sudo. daemon owns and is group of folder. Owner has rwx group has rx
2021-06-06 01:25:01	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: (on the test server) just added bitnami to daemon group... did not work...
2021-06-06 01:25:13	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: cant overwrite yet..
2021-06-06 01:25:59	altwulf	!@#%@$#
2021-06-06 01:26:06	altwulf	GUI is hard! Let's go shopping!
2021-06-06 01:26:45	Nickwiz	Did you log out and back in?
2021-06-06 01:26:56	Nickwiz	And does group have write permission?
2021-06-06 01:27:42	Golden_Hawk	nop.. i did not log out.. let me try
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2021-06-06 01:30:28	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: nop.. added again.. logout.. login it wont let me overwrite...
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2021-06-06 01:34:24	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: i dont know how smart would be to change the permissions of daemon group...
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2021-06-06 01:37:06	altwulf	I wouldn't.
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2021-06-06 01:37:32	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: is this similar to what i did the first time? i didn't do the second part thu.. ---> https://stackoverflow.com/a/19648802
2021-06-06 01:37:47	Golden_Hawk	altwulf: yeap..
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2021-06-06 02:14:47	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: i found the way... https://docs.bitnami.com/aws/how-to/troubleshoot-permission-issues/
2021-06-06 02:15:08	Golden_Hawk	Nickwiz: and the correct way .. lol ..
2021-06-06 02:15:16	Golden_Hawk	thank you everyone for the help..
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2021-06-06 02:28:56	Nickwiz	good
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2021-06-06 02:30:22	bblinky	anyone in here that uses Lutris?
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2021-06-06 02:33:18	jim	bblinky, what's Lutris?
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2021-06-06 02:33:50	bblinky	A wine wrapper that makes it easier to have separate envs for games
2021-06-06 02:34:06	jim	oh ok...
2021-06-06 02:34:21	bblinky	It's pretty nice actually
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2021-06-06 02:34:23	jim	me personally, I haven't run wine for years n years
2021-06-06 02:34:26	thekrypto	Hello.
2021-06-06 02:34:29	jim	hi
2021-06-06 02:34:37	bblinky	jim: good for you ;p
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2021-06-06 02:34:45	bblinky	It's getting a lot better tho
2021-06-06 02:34:59	thekrypto	:D Is there better software than Wine?
2021-06-06 02:35:05	jim	bblinky, I'm just saying I'm probably useless in this situation
2021-06-06 02:35:06	Dresden	jim: I have actually, strangely
2021-06-06 02:35:11	bblinky	thekrypto: steam?
2021-06-06 02:35:17	Dresden	For a while I used Wine to run notepad++ - but haven't done that for years
2021-06-06 02:35:18	Dresden	HOWEVER
2021-06-06 02:35:25	Dresden	I still use it for the MySQL GUI Tools
2021-06-06 02:35:29	Dresden	The things deprecated in like 2006
2021-06-06 02:35:40	bblinky	jim: hehe np, I might have found my answers through the mighty 'find' exec
2021-06-06 02:35:43	bblinky	;p
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2021-06-06 02:36:05	Nickwiz	altwulf: But as daemon (as owner) has +rwx permissions, what is the risk in giving the group (daemon) +w as long as one keep track on who is in that group?
2021-06-06 02:36:08	Dresden	BTW Ubuntu 10.10 was my first full time, I remember how happy I was when I got the 11.04 upgrade
2021-06-06 02:36:13	Dresden	Then I cried for a bit and went to mint
2021-06-06 02:36:17	Dresden	You guys?
2021-06-06 02:36:25	jim	Dresden, maybe consider getting to know postgres, if you start a new project that needs a db
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2021-06-06 02:37:02	Dresden	jim: there's no alternative for MySQL/MariaDB in many worlds, but I have wanted an excuse to
2021-06-06 02:37:06	jim	Dresden, do you really want to hear my story? :)
2021-06-06 02:37:29	Dresden	Like MySQL couldn't synthesise like a view or have virtual columns until VERY recently
2021-06-06 02:37:32	Dresden	Triggers were iffy
2021-06-06 02:37:41	Nickwiz	If daemon did not have +w, it would be obvious.
2021-06-06 02:37:43	Dresden	jim: if it's a handful of lines, sure
2021-06-06 02:37:46	jim	Dresden, I'm aware of that, maybe you'd start a project where you have a choice
2021-06-06 02:38:02	Dresden	Yeah you and me both
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2021-06-06 02:38:13	Dresden	Bonus points if you bitch about Ubuntu 11.04
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2021-06-06 02:38:48	jim	Dresden, so, I first ran linux off a couple of floppies, that had SLS, which loaded everything into a ramdisk
2021-06-06 02:39:05	bblinky	Dresden: Ubuntu is a Linux wrapper, yes?
2021-06-06 02:39:44	jim	never installed it though, I got a scsi disk around that time, and wanted to put linux on that, so I installed slackware...
2021-06-06 02:40:00	jim	this was around the time of slackware 2
2021-06-06 02:40:02	Dresden	bblinky: ....no
2021-06-06 02:40:08	bblinky	;/
2021-06-06 02:40:23	Dresden	jim.... what kind of floppies?
2021-06-06 02:40:38	jim	5 1/4"
2021-06-06 02:40:40	bblinky	True, I just only used the desktop version ever
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2021-06-06 02:40:57	Dresden	1993 - fuck literally before my time (BARELY)
2021-06-06 02:41:28	jim	but I was just then switching to 3.5"
2021-06-06 02:41:32	Dresden	jim: Linux itself would have been new then?
2021-06-06 02:41:41	Dresden	Yeah I've only ever read about the hell that is floppy formats
2021-06-06 02:42:02	altwulf	Dresden: mind the language.
2021-06-06 02:42:31	Dresden	*Yeah I've only ever read about the roulette-game that is floppy formats
2021-06-06 02:42:48	jim	pretty new, that was after the time when linux was starting to be "worth trying, and worth using"
2021-06-06 02:43:13	Dresden	You still have any of that hardware?
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2021-06-06 02:43:21	jim	no :)
2021-06-06 02:43:31	Dresden	Heh, that's a shame
2021-06-06 02:43:39	jim	none of my machines have floppy drives
2021-06-06 02:43:56	Dresden	None of mine have disk drives that work
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2021-06-06 02:44:26	jim	to continue... I used slackware for maybe a year and 8 months... then I got the idea in my head to upgrade libc
2021-06-06 02:45:05	jim	so I do that... and, I think I got rid of the old libs... and BOOM! none of my executables worked anymore
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2021-06-06 02:45:18	Dresden	Yeah.... that's never wise
2021-06-06 02:45:22	Dresden	Right altwulf?
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2021-06-06 02:46:25	Dresden	jim: A problem I have is that I recently tried to revisit it for "memory lane" purposes, see if I could now do things I failed at
2021-06-06 02:46:43	Dresden	This was 10.10 - so like ... 17 years and change later, tied a few months ago
2021-06-06 02:46:51	Dresden	All the archives are down and some certs have expired and such unfortunately.
2021-06-06 02:47:51	Dresden	So jim what next? This'd be around 1995
2021-06-06 02:47:55	altwulf	I sometimes do the 'memory lane' thing with older programming languages, but there's little practical value to it.
2021-06-06 02:48:08	jim	yeah, I really didn't know that was gonna happen... so, I started looking for a dist that could upgrade in-place... redhat claimed it could, so I installed the next earlier version and tried to upgrade... and no, it didn't work...
2021-06-06 02:49:03	Dresden	How big would your drive had been back then? Like did you own a few so you could keep your old install?
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2021-06-06 02:49:21	jim	so my redhat install was in a shambles... and I heard that debian could do in-place upgrades... so I try that... installed it, turned out the next upgrade was around the corner...
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2021-06-06 02:50:55	jim	H J Lu was maintaining the compiler, and at the time, we were using the executable format called a.out, and then Lu came up with a way to move to elf
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2021-06-06 02:51:26	jim	(elf being another executable format, as you might know)
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2021-06-06 02:53:08	jim	so the upgrade that debian was about to go through (at the time I installed it) was going to (1) upgrade from libc4 to libc5, (2) move from a.out to elf executable format, and (3) replace all the executables...
2021-06-06 02:53:46	jim	so I decided, that would be a good test... if debian could do that, I'd found my dist
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2021-06-06 02:54:22	jim	so I did the upgrade, and it worked just fine
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2021-06-06 02:55:55	jim	I had a libc5 system, with all-new ELF executables, and I was seriously impressed... that upgrade had to take lots of work, and lots and lots of testing
2021-06-06 02:56:59	Dresden	A time before alf
2021-06-06 02:57:01	Dresden	*elf
2021-06-06 02:57:07	Dresden	But of course A.out era
2021-06-06 02:57:14	jim	yep
2021-06-06 02:57:45	jim	I think a.out used one less register
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2021-06-06 02:58:32	Dresden	I don't believe that's anything to do with it. Elf is formally specified and that and sort of arch independent (obviously the file isn't, but the ELF markings are)
2021-06-06 02:58:38	jim	a few years later, Jason Gunthorpe wrote apt
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2021-06-06 02:59:09	Dresden	Debian ever since?
2021-06-06 02:59:15	jim	yep
2021-06-06 02:59:17	Dresden	Deb and Ian - urgh that's so cheesy
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2021-06-06 02:59:38	jim	I think we only have Deb left
2021-06-06 02:59:50	Dresden	Heh
2021-06-06 03:00:07	Dresden	jim: I've been trying to move to Debian rather than Ubuntu or Ubuntu downstream but little things keep stopping me
2021-06-06 03:00:22	Dresden	So for example dmesg requires root (this is sensible on a multi-user OS ofc)
2021-06-06 03:00:29	jim	(as I think Ian passed away some years ago)
2021-06-06 03:00:34	Dresden	I thought they split up
2021-06-06 03:00:36	Dresden	Years ago
2021-06-06 03:00:51	jim	they might have
2021-06-06 03:01:00	Dresden	Little things like Ubuntu (and DS) will tell you what package to install if it's not there already
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2021-06-06 03:01:08	Dresden	"Niceties" like that
2021-06-06 03:01:40	Dresden	Been trying though jim
2021-06-06 03:01:53	Dresden	There's a project I'm a part of originally called #notPedos because we couldn't think of a name
2021-06-06 03:01:55	Dresden	"CXP" now
2021-06-06 03:02:03	Dresden	We've been using Debian because of x86 support
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2021-06-06 03:02:31	Dresden	And I've been slowly realising how many little niceties I've come to depend on
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2021-06-06 03:02:39	jim	well do you have enough disk space to install it on its own, and keep the ubuntu and other OSes you have?
2021-06-06 03:02:54	jim	as a dual boot
2021-06-06 03:03:02	Dresden	I've been using virtualbox but yeah that's not the issue
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2021-06-06 03:03:40	Dresden	jim: truth be told I have another issue too - my install has morphed into something FAR FAR from stock - so it's littered with changes I made (a lot in the debian style with directories for config) - and I can't move off those either
2021-06-06 03:04:01	Dresden	It's my own fault but together they make a convincing case for staying
2021-06-06 03:04:43	Dresden	So jim (and this is also my fault) for a real example, I never learned how to find what package something is in, because I'd type it and my Ubuntu (or DS thing) would be like "copy and paste this apt-get line bro"
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2021-06-06 03:06:16	jim	most debian packages know how to configure themselves, so if a new config file format, or new dir structure shows up, installing the newer package, puts the new structure in, and normally converts the configs to the new format
2021-06-06 03:06:29	Dresden	That sounds so nice
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2021-06-06 03:07:29	Dresden	jim - any project contributions? Just curuious
2021-06-06 03:07:37	jim	there is a bot, judd, which exposes (some of) the "ultimate debian database"... you can tell judd to "find" a file, and judd will come back with the package
2021-06-06 03:07:43	Dresden	As a thing I've been trying to donate £450 / month to "open source stuff I use"
2021-06-06 03:07:58	Dresden	GCC, Linux ect they're okay obviously with big foundations, python and such
2021-06-06 03:08:07	Dresden	But for little stuff - so if you have any ideas there let me know
2021-06-06 03:08:21	jim	do you do music at all?
2021-06-06 03:08:25	Dresden	Think htop, dstat, pv, nc, socat, pidgin et al
2021-06-06 03:08:30	Dresden	Listen, yeah - mplayer
2021-06-06 03:09:02	Dresden	IRC bot right?
2021-06-06 03:09:04	jim	ok, so you don't make music I guess?
2021-06-06 03:09:15	jim	oh, judd? yes
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2021-06-06 03:09:38	Dresden	Not digitally no, but I can play a few instruments very well because of my parents :)
2021-06-06 03:09:59	jim	do you do recording?
2021-06-06 03:10:24	Dresden	No, but more because of time, why got a project in mind?
2021-06-06 03:10:32	Dresden	It doesn't have to be stuff I use, just underfunded stuff
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2021-06-06 03:10:47	Dresden	Originally I was like "on principle I wont pay for free software" - then I grew up and I'm trying to correct
2021-06-06 03:11:12	jim	well there is ardour, which is a combination audio recorder and midi sequencer
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2021-06-06 03:11:48	Dresden	I'll put that on my list to check out - is there anything (equipment, computers, ect they need?)
2021-06-06 03:13:20	jim	and I've been making practice loops, for diatonic chords and scales, I'd play those for hours, and run lines and such over them
2021-06-06 03:14:31	jim	they sometimes ask for like $1 - $10 per month
2021-06-06 03:14:47	Dresden	This is more what they'd want
2021-06-06 03:14:59	Dresden	Like some projects have outgrown stuff, so I donate a lot of AWS stuff
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2021-06-06 03:16:06	Dresden	But it's been so hard to find projects
2021-06-06 03:16:13	Dresden	So I welcome any suggestions, even if I've never used them
2021-06-06 03:16:21	Dresden	As long as they're real and have some pedigree (are not like brand new)
2021-06-06 03:16:30	Dresden	Another good one, wxWidgets
2021-06-06 03:16:53	Dresden	The stuff that underpins our systems that we take for granted
2021-06-06 03:17:11	jim	other than that, they're on libera on #ardour, you could (1) try the thing out, get to know it, and decide from that how far they've gotten
2021-06-06 03:17:45	Dresden	Your recommendation carries weight - is there anything specifically you'd like them to get?
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2021-06-06 03:18:04	Dresden	For one project the guy's car needed a new gearbox - happy to help
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2021-06-06 03:18:10	jim	umm :)
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2021-06-06 03:18:32	Dresden	but jim seriously keep an eye out
2021-06-06 03:18:37	Dresden	The tools we use that we take for granted
2021-06-06 03:18:50	jim	I dunno what they need, maybe sound cards they haven't had the opportunity to test
2021-06-06 03:18:52	Dresden	awk is a good example, like 1 guy doing gawk now, yet we depend on it
2021-06-06 03:18:53	Dresden	bash
2021-06-06 03:19:08	Dresden	jim: I'll ask them when I get round to it, but I've made a note to ask about "sound hardware"
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2021-06-06 03:27:03	gigasu_shida	what does "going gawk" mean in this context?
2021-06-06 03:27:14	gigasu_shida	or doing gawk*
2021-06-06 03:27:27	gigasu_shida	oh that must be a package
2021-06-06 03:27:44	jim	other than that, the important projects are going to be, libc, the kernel, gcc, and maybe autoconf
2021-06-06 03:28:15	jim	gigasu_shida, do you know what awk is?
2021-06-06 03:28:50	gigasu_shida	yes i've come across it before
2021-06-06 03:29:08	jim	well, gawk, is a gnu version of awk
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2021-06-06 03:31:32	gigasu_shida	so gawk is part of the freeware
2021-06-06 03:32:10	jim	yep, I'm pretty sure
2021-06-06 03:32:45	Dresden	gigasu_shida: are you talking about what I said/
2021-06-06 03:32:59	gigasu_shida	yes dres
2021-06-06 03:32:59	Dresden	<Dresden> awk is a good example, like 1 guy doing gawk now, yet we depend on it
2021-06-06 03:33:20	Dresden	gigasu_shida: yeah .... so with some Posix tools there are like 6-8 versions of them all with dedicated groups
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2021-06-06 03:33:32	Dresden	gawk is GNU-awk, it's one of them, and the kind we probably have
2021-06-06 03:33:39	Dresden	But there's also tawk, mawk, loads of them
2021-06-06 03:33:45	Dresden	They all do awk AND OTHER STUFF
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2021-06-06 03:33:52	Dresden	so gawk is awk + some gawk specific features
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2021-06-06 03:34:15	Dresden	"doing gawk" is me saying "there's like 1 guy working on it" (doing the project gawk)
2021-06-06 03:34:50	Dresden	gigasu_shida: make is another one, you've got gnumake, kmake, dmake, few others (I only know the first 2) - they all do make which is specified in POSIX (The Open Group stuff)
2021-06-06 03:35:22	Nickwiz	gawk -P can be a good idea. Or at least use `gawk` and not `awk` in scripts as `awk` often is linked to `gawk`
2021-06-06 03:35:30	Dresden	you've also got The Single Unix Specification which overlaps somewhat, and both of these overlap a fair bit with C's specification - we could argue for ever (and people have been) where one starts and one ends, and I fully expect altwulf to apply some "correction" to this
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2021-06-06 03:36:37	Dresden	Yeah so what Nickwiz is saying there gigasu_shida is when you type awk, you're probably getting gawk, MANY programs change their behaviour based on what they're invoked as - so gawk may go "I've been invoked as gawk" and implicitly run with -P - it also may not because sometimes Posix asks for bad things
2021-06-06 03:36:56	Dresden	POSIX_ME_HARDER is something you can set for some programs (environmental variable) that makes them take it more literally
2021-06-06 03:38:07	jim	bash does that too, if bash thinks it's been invoked as sh, it changes its behavior to be more like the original bourne shell
2021-06-06 03:38:10	Dresden	gigasu_shida: https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009696799/utilities/awk.html <---all awk has to do, you can write your own to do this
2021-06-06 03:38:27	Dresden	yeah exactly, and like the entire of busybox (it's 1 binary and like 300 symlinks)
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2021-06-06 03:39:06	Dresden	gigasu_shida: note that -v is specifying a variable for awk - sensible, so gawk for example (by being GNU) will DEFINITELY respond to GNU args unless we've put -P on maybe and "awk --version" will work
2021-06-06 03:39:10	Dresden	--word <---GNU style
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2021-06-06 03:39:43	jim	I'm thinking, this thing of being invoked as another name, could be overwhelming
2021-06-06 03:39:43	Dresden	I dislike mplayer for "-shuffle" (which looks like -s -h -f -f -l -e many args can be stacked like this - eg "netstat -tlnp" is short for "netstat -t -l -n -p"
2021-06-06 03:40:01	Dresden	Yeah well we've said it now, he knows it exists
2021-06-06 03:40:20	jim	yeah
2021-06-06 03:40:33	Dresden	oh gigasu_shida one more thing
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2021-06-06 03:40:57	Dresden	dash (debian ash) is a sh too - there are loads of things, as long as they do what shell ought to do they're often simlinked (look this up) under that name
2021-06-06 03:41:19	Dresden	So type "sh" and press enter, you're probably getting dash or bash going "you ran me via the sh simlink" and thus behaving as if they are
2021-06-06 03:41:32	Nickwiz	Yes, the mixing of --options and -options is a shame imo
2021-06-06 03:41:48	Dresden	Nickwiz: if we culled the -shuffle sickoes the world would be a better place :P
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2021-06-06 03:42:00	Dresden	But yeah very rare to see not-gnu-style word args
2021-06-06 03:42:11	Dresden	How'd you feel about --thing=this vs --thing this
2021-06-06 03:42:41	Dresden	Nickwiz: jim actually I can only think of mplayer with -word args (NOT --word - it actually doesn't like --shuffle)
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2021-06-06 03:43:38	Dresden	mplayer -af pan=6:1:0:0:1:1:0:0:1:0.5:0.5:0.5:0.5 -shuffle ./files/*.mp3
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2021-06-06 03:43:44	Dresden	--af would be better
2021-06-06 03:44:04	gigasu_shida	thanks for the explanations
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2021-06-06 03:45:00	Nickwiz	xclip, gdb and loads more use single dash word thingy
2021-06-06 03:45:17	Dresden	Nickwiz: for --word args
2021-06-06 03:45:23	Dresden	So --word x and -w x fine
2021-06-06 03:45:31	jim	python and pdb are pretty cool for a python debugger
2021-06-06 03:45:32	Dresden	but "-word x"
2021-06-06 03:45:55	Dresden	Nickwiz: holy crap you're right
2021-06-06 03:46:00	Dresden	[-batch] <-- gdb
2021-06-06 03:46:23	Dresden	How the hell is a gnu front-and-centre program not using --batch?
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2021-06-06 03:46:41	Dresden	Legacy thing? (I usually use frontends or from within gdb)
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2021-06-06 03:47:58	gigasu_shida	so opening bash and typing 'sh' turns it into an older style of shell
2021-06-06 03:48:50	Dresden	gigasu_shida:
2021-06-06 03:48:51	Dresden	which sh
2021-06-06 03:48:55	Dresden	/bin/sh
2021-06-06 03:48:56	Dresden	Okay
2021-06-06 03:49:09	Dresden	ls -l /bin | grep sh
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2021-06-06 03:49:16	Dresden	gigasu_shida:
2021-06-06 03:49:17	Dresden	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4 Sep 18  2020 sh -> dash
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2021-06-06 03:49:31	Dresden	So when I type "sh" - it's running /bin/sh which is a symlink to /bin/dash
2021-06-06 03:49:52	Dresden	So /bin/dash is getting invoked with "/bin/sh" as its first argument - it sees that and goes "alright then, I'm being sh today"
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2021-06-06 03:50:14	Dresden	If it saw /bin/dash it'd be full dash instead of a literal sh clone
2021-06-06 03:50:31	Dresden	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1021112 Oct  7  2014 bash
2021-06-06 03:50:31	Dresden	-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  121272 Feb 19  2014 dash
2021-06-06 03:50:31	Dresden	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4 Sep 18  2020 rbash -> bash
2021-06-06 03:50:31	Dresden	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4 Sep 18  2020 sh -> dash
2021-06-06 03:50:31	Dresden	lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root       4 Sep 18  2020 sh.distrib -> dash
2021-06-06 03:51:01	Dresden	sh.distrib has been put there so distribution scripts can rely on it being dash even if I changed sh to link to /bin/bash instead
2021-06-06 03:51:09	Dresden	Then we'd be asking bash to pretend to be sh
2021-06-06 03:51:23	Dresden	I could also put ash there instead - it also can pretend to be sh
2021-06-06 03:51:35	Dresden	Busybox also can do it so I could symlink it to that if I had that installed
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2021-06-06 03:52:23	Nickwiz	I do not like the --word= in general, only exception I can think of right now is dd, But dd is a thing of its own. it is dd if= of= etc, not dd --if= --of= etc. For dd I actually like the word= thing :P
2021-06-06 03:54:41	Nickwiz	without = in dd options it would be rather easy to mess up things like if if was of and of was if one would have dd if of of if lol
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2021-06-06 03:55:59	Dresden	Nickwiz: yeah dd is somehow related to some ancient IBM syntax
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2021-06-06 03:56:18	Dresden	And lacks dashes
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2021-06-06 03:56:52	Dresden	Nickwiz: I do kinda get why we have -x=X or --ex=X type things, because it can be easier to parse
2021-06-06 03:56:54	Dresden	But yeah...
2021-06-06 03:57:12	Dresden	Think of any others let me know but you were right about gdb, that's gotta be a legacy thing right?
2021-06-06 03:57:33	Dresden	Nickwiz: good news is gdb --batch works
2021-06-06 03:57:37	Dresden	So at least there's that
2021-06-06 03:58:00	gigasu_shida	wow this is a lot for a beginner but i get the idea that some things can be simlinked now
2021-06-06 03:58:14	Dresden	gigasu_shida: you can symlink anything
2021-06-06 03:58:16	Dresden	Look up PATH
2021-06-06 03:58:54	Dresden	$0 is the 0th argument to your script, this is what it's invoked as, if you're typing stuff there's no sensible value for $0 to be but that's something else
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2021-06-06 04:01:17	gigasu_shida	the 0th argument is the name of the function
2021-06-06 04:01:26	Dresden	Yeah because when you do
2021-06-06 04:01:26	jim	gigasu_shida, do you write scripts?
2021-06-06 04:01:27	gigasu_shida	what do you mean by "Look up PATH"?
2021-06-06 04:01:30	Dresden	someFunction x
2021-06-06 04:01:36	Dresden	You're "invoking someFunction"
2021-06-06 04:01:42	gigasu_shida	no i have never written a script but i've copied one from the internet
2021-06-06 04:01:43	Dresden	gigasu_shida: type "echo $PATH"
2021-06-06 04:01:49	Dresden	Look up "PATH environmental variable"
2021-06-06 04:02:28	Nickwiz	gcc is another using single dash
2021-06-06 04:03:38	gigasu_shida	how do i print out $0 ?
2021-06-06 04:03:43	Dresden	Nickwiz: DEFINITELY accepts long style --std=c++11 style (heh an equals)
2021-06-06 04:03:45	Dresden	gigasu_shida: "echo $0"
2021-06-06 04:03:59	Dresden	Nickwiz: Ah I get what you mean
2021-06-06 04:04:08	gigasu_shida	what the hell, doing "echo $0" printed out "bash"
2021-06-06 04:04:16	Dresden	Nickwiz: (jim agree?) like -fno-elide-constructors and that is doing something else
2021-06-06 04:05:08	Dresden	Yeah because 0 is bash
2021-06-06 04:05:08	Dresden	That's what you're using
2021-06-06 04:05:08	Dresden	gigasu_shida: look up path man
2021-06-06 04:05:08	Dresden	It's been written about before
2021-06-06 04:05:08	Dresden	"PATH environmental variable"
2021-06-06 04:05:08	Nickwiz	A (lot) of X tools use it as well, iirc
2021-06-06 04:05:14	Dresden	It's not doing the argument --fno-elide-ctors it's -f (a function or something) - "no-elide-ctors"
2021-06-06 04:05:16	Dresden	They stack
2021-06-06 04:05:58	gigasu_shida	i thought $0 would be "echo"
2021-06-06 04:05:58	Nickwiz	like xprop etc.
2021-06-06 04:05:58	Dresden	gigasu_shida: $0 is replaced before echo gets it
2021-06-06 04:06:12	gigasu_shida	but echo is the command. so $0 should be 'echo'. this is confusing. i don't get it hehe
2021-06-06 04:06:13	Dresden	echo's $0 is /usr/bin/echo (probably /bin/echo) or something (however echo is also a builtin - so you'd have to disable the builtin or specify /bin/echo to invoke that
2021-06-06 04:06:25	Dresden	gigasu_shida: echo's $0 is /bin/echo
2021-06-06 04:06:34	Dresden	echo $0 -> echo (whatever zero variable is) AND THEN it is run
2021-06-06 04:06:47	Dresden	$X expands to the variable X before echo ever sees it
2021-06-06 04:06:47	jim	gigasu_shida, I thought it would be the name of the running script
2021-06-06 04:07:06	gigasu_shida	i'm confused as hell now
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2021-06-06 04:07:30	godSend23	hey all
2021-06-06 04:08:04	Nickwiz	and, yes, the gcc thing is fair
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2021-06-06 04:09:10	jim	godSend23, hi
2021-06-06 04:09:21	godSend23	hi jim :)
2021-06-06 04:09:39	Dresden	Yeah - I'm giving GCC a pass for -fblah style stuff Nickwiz but you're right that gdb puts -batch (it accepts --batch) front and centre
2021-06-06 04:09:49	Dresden	I'll check the x stuff later, but I don't encounter those much
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2021-06-06 04:10:18	jim	gigasu_shida, it looks like if you put echo $0 in an executable script file, with #! /usr/bin/bash (or wherever it is on your system),
2021-06-06 04:10:26	Dresden	Accepting both - reasonable, especially if unambiguous, but promoting -batch - hmm
2021-06-06 04:10:40	jim	running that script will show the script name
2021-06-06 04:10:45	jim	but if you
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2021-06-06 04:11:15	jim	are running bash already, and you run 'echo $0', it will say bash
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2021-06-06 04:14:58	Dresden	gigasu_shida: my advice to you is this:
2021-06-06 04:15:00	Dresden	mkdir ./bin
2021-06-06 04:15:21	Dresden	then edit ./.bashrc and put this in it
2021-06-06 04:15:37	Dresden	PATH=/home/YOURUSERNAME/bin:$PATH
2021-06-06 04:15:37	Dresden	export PATH
2021-06-06 04:15:38	Dresden	in it
2021-06-06 04:15:46	Dresden	Type "whoami" to see your username
2021-06-06 04:15:49	Dresden	Now:
2021-06-06 04:15:55	Dresden	touch ./bin/mytest
2021-06-06 04:15:58	Dresden	chmod +x ./bin/mytest
2021-06-06 04:16:09	Dresden	Inside /home/YOURUSERNAME/bin/mytest edit it to have this at the top:
2021-06-06 04:16:18	Dresden	#!/usr/bin/env sh
2021-06-06 04:16:20	Dresden	next line
2021-06-06 04:16:21	Dresden	echo $0
2021-06-06 04:16:22	Dresden	save
2021-06-06 04:16:38	gigasu_shida	will this have side effects?
2021-06-06 04:16:47	Dresden	Now type "mytest" (you will need to either type bash and run a new shell or do source ./.bashrc to rerun your bashrc file)
2021-06-06 04:16:58	gigasu_shida	or is it just for learning and when i restart the terminal/shell it will not continue affecting things
2021-06-06 04:17:08	Dresden	gigasu_shida: we all have ~/bin right guys?
2021-06-06 04:17:19	Dresden	Just "rm ./bin/mytest" if you want to get rid of it
2021-06-06 04:17:27	gigasu_shida	lol ok
2021-06-06 04:17:28	Dresden	Put your scripts in ~/bin as you write them
2021-06-06 04:17:49	Dresden	PATH is where the shell looks for stuff to run, we're saying "look in ~/bin" - anything it finds in there it can run you can run "as a command"
2021-06-06 04:17:51	Dresden	eg "mytest"
2021-06-06 04:17:55	gigasu_shida	but some scripts can permanently change settings in the 'registry' right?
2021-06-06 04:18:06	Dresden	mytest will print out "/home/[YOUR USERNAME]/bin/mytest" or "./bin/mytest"
2021-06-06 04:18:09	Dresden	No
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2021-06-06 04:18:16	Dresden	gigasu_shida: it's an echo command it just prints
2021-06-06 04:18:21	Dresden	Do it and experiment
2021-06-06 04:18:24	gigasu_shida	ok thanks
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2021-06-06 04:18:31	jim	depending on what the script does, it generally will not have side effects (meaning an effect that influences unrelated processes)
2021-06-06 04:18:51	Dresden	gigasu_shida: if you put "sudo rm -rf /" in the mytest script - and then when it wanted your password for sudo gave it that, that's on you (DO NOT DO THIS)
2021-06-06 04:18:57	Dresden	rm <--- removes files
2021-06-06 04:18:59	Dresden	-f means don't ask
2021-06-06 04:19:02	Dresden	-r means recursively
2021-06-06 04:19:23	Dresden	IF YOU DID THAT, then that's on you, but echo does not
2021-06-06 04:19:33	jim	gigasu_shida, coming back, is there something specific you'd like to do? maybe with bash?
2021-06-06 04:19:44	altwulf	In short, it'll destroy your entire system if that command actually executes. It's a very good job you warned him not to do this, Dresden.
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2021-06-06 04:20:12	Dresden	altwulf: it was an example of side effects
2021-06-06 04:20:23	Dresden	Alright AFK for a bit
2021-06-06 04:20:26	altwulf	gigasu_shida: linux doesn't have what Windows people would call a "registry".
2021-06-06 04:21:21	jim	the windows registry has had a pretty bad history
2021-06-06 04:21:44	Dresden	IF you call 5 seconds ago history
2021-06-06 04:21:45	jim	it's too easy to corrupt it
2021-06-06 04:22:05	jim	I mean its entire history :)
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2021-06-06 04:23:01	Dresden	But gigasu_shida seriously man
2021-06-06 04:23:14	Dresden	If you put "sudo rm -rf /" in the myscript thing - that's on you, and then it'd have side-effects
2021-06-06 04:23:42	gigasu_shida	lol yeah ok. but it's interesting there's nothing like the registry
2021-06-06 04:23:53	Dresden	We use file permissions to limit them, but obviously sudo means "ignore those and let me do everything" (you can never stop root doing something that can be done, but you cannot say "connect to ethernet" without an ethernetcable, as that is not a "may not" it's a "can not")
2021-06-06 04:23:58	Dresden	So do it
2021-06-06 04:24:05	Dresden	Type "myscript" as I said - notice what $0 is
2021-06-06 04:24:16	Dresden	You can then symlink it ti myotherscript
2021-06-06 04:24:26	Dresden	Try myotherscript - notice it outputs ./bin/myotherscript
2021-06-06 04:24:35	Dresden	This is how your script can change what it does, based on how it is invoked by name
2021-06-06 04:24:45	Dresden	A simple if statement: "I was called as myotherscript"
2021-06-06 04:25:40	gigasu_shida	my bad, i kept thinking $0 was like the first argument
2021-06-06 04:25:42	gigasu_shida	but it's something else
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2021-06-06 04:26:01	Dresden	gigasu_shida: $1!
2021-06-06 04:26:06	Dresden	a b c --d
2021-06-06 04:26:13	Dresden	Thing with arguments "a", "b", "c" and "--d"
2021-06-06 04:26:20	Dresden	It just happens that the 0th argument is what we're trying to do
2021-06-06 04:26:24	Dresden	rm ./potato
2021-06-06 04:26:25	Dresden	$0 = "rm"
2021-06-06 04:26:28	Dresden	$1 = "./potato"
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2021-06-06 04:30:21	Nickwiz	One could perhaps say the "registry" on linux is config files. Somewhat .ini files on Windows, if you only had ini files .. perhaps not a good comparison.
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2021-06-06 04:32:08	Nickwiz	Everything is a file. Than came systemd :P
2021-06-06 04:32:18	SureSumbat	went i install eggdrop its show like this ( ash: cd: eggdrop-1.9.0: No such file or directory )
2021-06-06 04:32:20	SureSumbat	please guide
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2021-06-06 04:33:11	jim	when you run cd with no args, it changes you to your home dir
2021-06-06 04:33:55	jim	you want a tcl bot?
2021-06-06 04:34:17	SureSumbat	jim : im face this went im install eggdrop into my vps
2021-06-06 04:34:25	SureSumbat	before this im ok
2021-06-06 04:34:32	SureSumbat	newly im face this problem
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2021-06-06 04:34:49	gigasu_shida	thanks dres n nickwiz i'm gonna sleep now. i need to write that script tmrw, g'nite
2021-06-06 04:35:00	SureSumbat	im always use this website to install eggdrop ( https://docs.eggheads.org/setup/ )
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2021-06-06 04:35:17	SureSumbat	seems eggdrop channel is locked
2021-06-06 04:35:19	Nickwiz	Gutes nach
2021-06-06 04:36:32	SureSumbat	please help me
2021-06-06 04:37:41	jim	SureSumbat, one place you can find the eggdrop community, is in the channel #eggdrop on chat.libera.chat
2021-06-06 04:38:19	SureSumbat	ok i will try
2021-06-06 04:38:38	jim	wait, that's the wrong address
2021-06-06 04:38:52	jim	it's irc.libera.chat
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2021-06-06 04:40:06	SureSumbat	 [10053] Software caused connection abort
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2021-06-06 04:40:49	jim	I think I ran an eggdrop like once in a very long time :)
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2021-06-06 04:45:16	altwulf	I tried eggdrop. It uses tcl. Phooey.
2021-06-06 04:45:43	jim	thing about tcl, it's really hard to crash
2021-06-06 04:46:49	jim	the language devs are very careful also, to not release a version of tcl that would invalidate millions of lines of code, the way php unfortunately does
2021-06-06 04:47:55	jim	SureSumbat, would you like to try to reach the eggdrop channel?
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2021-06-06 04:49:10	SureSumbat	i cant even join the server
2021-06-06 04:49:20	SureSumbat	im seeking for eggdrop help regard
2021-06-06 04:49:32	jim	what address are you using for the server?
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2021-06-06 04:49:40	bblinky	ok, I give up... The internet is right, blitz.gg does not currently work under wine and i do NOT have the skills to make it
2021-06-06 04:50:02	bblinky	Thanks for being lovely as always though :)
2021-06-06 04:50:08	SureSumbat	irc.libera.chat
2021-06-06 04:50:20	jim	that's the right address
2021-06-06 04:50:33	jim	what port are you trying to use?
2021-06-06 04:50:41	SureSumbat	6667
2021-06-06 04:50:52	jim	ok, that's the plaintext port
2021-06-06 04:51:22	SureSumbat	[16:51] * Connect retry #1 irc.libera.chat (6667) (dns pool)
2021-06-06 04:51:32	SureSumbat	i cant use +6697
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2021-06-06 04:51:56	jim	what is preventing it?
2021-06-06 04:52:19	jim	(6697 is the tls port)
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2021-06-06 04:52:28	jim	which irc client are you using?
2021-06-06 04:52:46	SureSumbat	version 7.19
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2021-06-06 04:53:01	jim	ok, of which?
2021-06-06 04:53:20	SureSumbat	???
2021-06-06 04:53:24	jkamzi	 CTCP VERSION reply from SureSumbat: mIRC v7.19 Khaled Mardam-Bey via ZNC 1.6.5+deb1+deb9u2
2021-06-06 04:53:37	jim	ohh
2021-06-06 04:53:52	jim	mirc I don't know very well
2021-06-06 04:54:00	jim	jkamzi, thanks
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2021-06-06 04:54:06	jkamzi	:)
2021-06-06 04:54:41	jim	what operating system are you running
2021-06-06 04:54:43	jim	?
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2021-06-06 04:55:17	SureSumbat	im useing window 10
2021-06-06 04:55:54	jim	oh ok... let me ask you this, would you like to run linux on your home machine?
2021-06-06 04:56:06	SureSumbat	im useing linux
2021-06-06 04:56:08	SureSumbat	debain9
2021-06-06 04:56:20	jim	oh ok
2021-06-06 04:56:40	jim	try this, on the debian machine as root:
2021-06-06 04:56:47	jim	apt install hexchat
2021-06-06 04:58:04	jim	or if you have sudo setup, you could use that too
2021-06-06 04:58:58	SureSumbat	ok im done
2021-06-06 04:59:04	SureSumbat	but show some error too
2021-06-06 04:59:17	jim	what error?
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2021-06-06 04:59:27	SureSumbat	I: Set the RESUME variable to override this.
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2021-06-06 05:00:01	jim	what does it say just before that?
2021-06-06 05:00:14	SureSumbat	I: (UUID=de79f19a-836f-4324-a2af-6e084df21329)
2021-06-06 05:00:22	SureSumbat	I: The initramfs will attempt to resume from /dev/vda2
2021-06-06 05:00:29	SureSumbat	W: but no matching swap device is available.
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2021-06-06 05:01:04	jim	hmm. you don't have your disks set up properly, I think
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2021-06-06 05:01:57	SureSumbat	i ndont know
2021-06-06 05:02:04	SureSumbat	i get 1 login from my frn
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2021-06-06 05:04:09	jim	is this a laptop?
2021-06-06 05:05:16	jim	so one thing, we're going down a path that could take hours...
2021-06-06 05:05:19	SureSumbat	yes
2021-06-06 05:06:04	SureSumbat	why
2021-06-06 05:07:53	jim	also I just found out something...
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2021-06-06 05:08:06	jim	I can join #eggdrop here
2021-06-06 05:08:37	jim	SureSumbat, did you try to set up suspend-to-disk?
2021-06-06 05:08:53	SureSumbat	no
2021-06-06 05:09:19	jim	ok, and are you running the debian in a vm?
2021-06-06 05:09:26	SureSumbat	yes
2021-06-06 05:10:31	jim	oh ok... let's leave that alone for the moment
2021-06-06 05:10:43	jim	can you try to join #eggdrop?
2021-06-06 05:10:55	SureSumbat	the channel is lock
2021-06-06 05:10:59	SureSumbat	i cant talk there
2021-06-06 05:11:09	SureSumbat	#eggdrop Cannot send to nick/channel
2021-06-06 05:11:16	SureSumbat	maybe i been +b
2021-06-06 05:11:31	Dresden	jim:
2021-06-06 05:11:32	Dresden	* Channel #eggdrop modes: +cmnt
2021-06-06 05:11:53	jim	now I see what you mean
2021-06-06 05:12:30	SureSumbat	yes
2021-06-06 05:14:35	jim	SureSumbat, no you're not +b, the -channel- is +m
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2021-06-06 05:15:05	jim	NorthwestVegan, hi... what's up with your connection?
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2021-06-06 05:18:19	jim	SureSumbat, also, https://www.mirc.com/help/html/index.html?connect_to_a_server.html
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2021-06-06 05:18:49	SureSumbat	ok
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2021-06-06 05:20:57	SureSumbat	jim sorry jim
2021-06-06 05:21:04	SureSumbat	i haveing eggdrop problem issue
2021-06-06 05:21:09	SureSumbat	not the connection issue
2021-06-06 05:21:14	altwulf	Might be somebody alive in ##eggdrop, though.
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2021-06-06 05:21:22	SureSumbat	i connect the server via webchat
2021-06-06 05:21:30	SureSumbat	no one is responding there
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2021-06-06 05:22:24	pikapika	SureSumbat, hi
2021-06-06 05:22:41	Dresden	jim: I've made the ops aware of the +m'ing
2021-06-06 05:23:57	SureSumbat	hai pikapika
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2021-06-06 05:24:49	jim	Dresden, yes it's kinda inconvenient right now... but, they have the right to decide where their primary channel is
2021-06-06 05:25:17	jim	they shouldn't be forced to do things they don't want to do
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2021-06-06 05:26:02	Dresden	jim: they don't have the right to cripple freenode's place for it though
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2021-06-06 05:26:22	Dresden	If they do not want an association with freenode, there should be no #eggdrop only ##eggdrop
2021-06-06 05:26:26	Dresden	But yeah time and place ;)
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2021-06-06 05:26:57	jim	my thing is, it's theirs, not freenode's (especially in the light of what Andrew Lee has done)
2021-06-06 05:27:53	Dresden	So you think a project can use freenode's resources just to make sure it cannot be used on freenode?
2021-06-06 05:27:55	Dresden	That's ... niche
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2021-06-06 05:28:40	jim	curious though, what make you interested in having someone other than them (such as the irc ops) make decisions for their project
2021-06-06 05:28:53	Dresden	jim: not for their project!
2021-06-06 05:29:28	Dresden	They're using freenode's donated resources (the single #) in bad faith right now, to make sure the natural place is useless to help people
2021-06-06 05:29:56	Dresden	If it was "we've gone, but good luck though" and not +m'ed, fine, but here a redirect to ##eggdrop is appropriate (that has existed for a year and the founder is there now)
2021-06-06 05:30:10	jim	they've stated they don't want to engage with freenode, or comment publically about any part of the situation
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2021-06-06 05:31:17	Dresden	jim: you want maths, /join #math - get redirected to ##math
2021-06-06 05:31:17	jim	did you try to contact the founder?
2021-06-06 05:31:28	Dresden	You want linux, /join #linux, you end up here
2021-06-06 05:31:34	Dresden	You want eggplant ...
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2021-06-06 05:31:55	jim	go to grocery store?
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2021-06-06 05:34:07	Dresden	jim: no type "/join #eggplan"
2021-06-06 05:34:11	Dresden	If it's empty, try ##eggplant
2021-06-06 05:34:15	Dresden	eggdrop
2021-06-06 05:34:17	Dresden	even
2021-06-06 05:34:50	jim	so, how is this fair: Andrew Lee gets to close like 700 channels because he doesn't like what's being said there, but the project that's on those servers doesn't get to say "we're there, and we are not, and will never be, here, please read the docs"?
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2021-06-06 05:35:25	Dresden	That number's currently contested, but the thing it there was no simple criteria, some didn't +m but did some weird ban thing that let you join just not post (a ban wouldn't do that)
2021-06-06 05:35:28	Dresden	Some redirected
2021-06-06 05:35:35	jim	truthfully, he's acting like a jealous kid
2021-06-06 05:35:39	Dresden	It was ... a bit over-eager but the goal was to efficiently fix that
2021-06-06 05:35:55	Dresden	If he hadn't done that though, how many of us would be pissed at ongoing +ms?
2021-06-06 05:36:01	Dresden	I was pretty angry on day 4
2021-06-06 05:36:18	Dresden	"I can't talk in ##statistics because some turd who got there a decade ago says so?"
2021-06-06 05:37:07	jim	you could choose to feel angry... you can also choose to contact them at the place they've chosen
2021-06-06 05:37:34	altwulf	Dresden, are you staff?
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2021-06-06 05:38:58	jim	after all, you don't have to -drive- there... the internet isn't inconvenient like that
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2021-06-06 05:40:12	altwulf	In any event, if you couldn't talk in #statistics but there was something in the topic telling you where #statistics went, you could easily bop on over to another server.
2021-06-06 05:40:42	Dresden	altwulf: ##statistics
2021-06-06 05:40:45	Dresden	It's a branch of mathematics
2021-06-06 05:40:48	Dresden	Not a project
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2021-06-06 05:40:57	altwulf	It is or was also a community.
2021-06-06 05:41:02	Dresden	and it was just the guy who'd moved over, the regulars are still here
2021-06-06 05:41:11	altwulf	So?
2021-06-06 05:41:18	Dresden	here we go again
2021-06-06 05:41:23	Dresden	altwulf: "Fendur doesn't speak for us"
2021-06-06 05:41:29	altwulf	Yup. What Freenode did angered a great many people.
2021-06-06 05:41:45	Dresden	The idea one turd can control whether we utter about statistics on freenode is an objectionable position
2021-06-06 05:42:09	altwulf	Freenode has *lost* almost six hundred projects and has gotten itself coloured in a very unflattering light all over the web.
2021-06-06 05:42:28	Dresden	altwulf: but not those who may talk about them :)
2021-06-06 05:42:40	altwulf	Huh?
2021-06-06 05:42:55	Dresden	nvm - I've got stuff to do
2021-06-06 05:42:57	Dresden	have a good day altwulf
2021-06-06 05:43:03	altwulf	Uh huh.
2021-06-06 05:43:14	altwulf	How about you take up residence in some other channel?
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2021-06-06 05:49:58	altwulf	For the record: Freenode has lost 653 projects and/or communities, and that number appears to be continually mounting.
2021-06-06 05:50:19	altwulf	Mind, that 653 projects that we *know* of. There are probably others.
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2021-06-06 05:50:46	altwulf	I would say there is considerable conflict between Freenode policy and the folks who used to call Freenode "home".
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2021-06-06 05:57:42	jim	Dresden, by the way, about "If he hadn't done that though, how many of us would be pissed at ongoing +ms?"; if he hadn't done that, I don't think there would be as large of a problem... Lee and many of the new freenode staff would not be seen as heavy handed, and he wouldn't be in a continuous cycle of damage control, where the damage is piling up like the garbage at a dump
2021-06-06 05:58:45	Dresden	jim: we'll never know but I was pretty angry, I don't want to wade in on this, I come for the stats and Linux being /forced/ to move or not be able to talk about stats - that did anger me
2021-06-06 05:58:56	Dresden	I've got stuff to do for real though we'll talk about that wiki later
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2021-06-06 06:01:20	jim	final comment... ##linux participants were not forced to move... I and others gave them the information needed to make an informed decision, and told they could go, or stay, or be in both places
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2021-06-06 06:01:56	Dresden	No they weren't, when I said "come for the Linux and stats" - only one of those tried to forbid me, ##statistics (now under a new founder) - Linux carried on turning, as it should be
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2021-06-06 06:03:49	altwulf	Dresden: you didn't answer my question. Are you FN staff?
2021-06-06 06:04:15	jim	he didn't, did he...
2021-06-06 06:05:06	Dresden	altwulf: no, sorry I didn't spot you asking
2021-06-06 06:05:19	altwulf	And the answer is...?
2021-06-06 06:05:25	Dresden	Still no
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2021-06-06 06:05:45	altwulf	So you weren't present at staff meetings when these decisions were made.
2021-06-06 06:06:01	Dresden	<altwulf> Dresden, are you staff? - sorry my highlight colour is stupid, it actually unhighlights text so I missed it
2021-06-06 06:06:03	Dresden	No not staff
2021-06-06 06:06:25	Dresden	altwulf: I've really gotta do some stuff - not staff though sorry for missing the question
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2021-06-06 06:10:56	xebra	In an LXQt environment, is installing and using Kate (text editor) going to be more efficient than installing GEdit?
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2021-06-06 06:21:34	altwulf	xebra: I think Kate may pull in some KDE depencies, and GEdit would pull in some Gnome dependencies.
2021-06-06 06:21:54	altwulf	Kinda depends on what you mean by "efficient".
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2021-06-06 06:29:15	xebra	altwulf, I don't know, I thought it mostly depended on whether an application used GTK or Qt, and LXQt is already based on Qt...
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2021-06-06 06:34:50	altwulf	xebra: what distro are you on?
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2021-06-06 06:36:45	xebra	altwulf, in fact I was thinking about this stuff because I was thinking of changing distro
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2021-06-06 06:37:41	xebra	I started with Suse and Ubuntu, then Ubuntu became bloated (Unity and stuff) and I switched to Xubuntu. Been on Xubuntu ever since
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2021-06-06 06:38:21	xebra	now I was thinking about trying out Kubuntu (which I once tried, years ago, and was too bloated), or Lubuntu
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2021-06-06 06:40:04	altwulf	I think you'll find Kubuntu even more bloated these days. I'm a Kubuntu user, have been for years, and don't mind the bloat because it makes most things I do really easy.
2021-06-06 06:40:31	xebra	but since I don't need and I don't want too much bling-bling and I hate bloat, I guess I'd end up using Kubuntu with everything disabled, and still I would find it bloated. So I guess I'll try out Lubuntu
2021-06-06 06:41:54	 *	altwulf hugs his virtual desktops
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2021-06-06 06:45:38	triceratux	xebra: i was originally an xubuntu folk. when it went south i examined the kde distros & run kdeneon because its tuned by the plasma folks themselves. lxqt is the perfect intermediary because its lighter than plasma but already has most of the qt libs preinstalled, making stuff like vlc, kwin, kate, kstars, &c. more concise to install than on gtk focussed distros
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2021-06-06 06:46:54	triceratux	plus it has all the gnomesque stuff necessary to run gvfs & support both gtk2 & gtk3 theming
2021-06-06 06:48:06	triceratux	all the distros running lxqt work, all the distros running xfce havent moved to lxqt yet :)
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2021-06-06 06:55:53	xebra	triceratux, why do you say that XFCE folks will move to LXQt sooner or later?
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2021-06-06 06:56:40	xebra	because XFCE isn't as lightweight as it used to be, so it doesn't have a purpose anymore?
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2021-06-06 07:02:48	triceratux	xebra: to be honest xfce has become an antechamber for the forces of gnome / wayland & will at some point become unusable. a qt based desktop at least leverages the sanity of qt. lxqt doesnt have a windowmanager or compositor; shipping it with openbox is merely a convention. so theyre not in the gruesome business of hacking the video stack
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2021-06-06 07:09:35	triceratux	lxqt is the way of the future, which will be here soon enough. http://www.extix.se/?p=816 i still run plenty of xfce. i just tend not to run qt apps on it
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2021-06-06 07:17:44	ASDX	can someone explain why the second-last column would have the current time for the last 4 reboots on a server (and the oldest reboot is 3 months ago!)?
2021-06-06 07:18:40	ASDX	(i.e every time i run the 'last' command, the second-last column shows the time i ran the 'last' command at - would expect that for ONLY the latest reboot, not the last 4 reboots)
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2021-06-06 07:47:47	bodom	Hi there! I am trying to better understand LVM. I have two volume groups and would like to create a logical volume using extents from both of them. Is it possible?
2021-06-06 07:50:47	ASDX	don't think you can: https://serverfault.com/a/485367
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2021-06-06 07:52:35	bodom	Thanks. Backup question: if i merge my vgs into a single one, is there an easy way to have some logical volumes "tied" to a physical volume? I couldn't find any "lvdisplay" switch to show physical allocation of a lv
2021-06-06 07:52:50	SureSumbat	i solve my problem
2021-06-06 07:52:51	SureSumbat	now
2021-06-06 07:53:07	SureSumbat	can anyone tell how to create / upload clone into channel
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2021-06-06 08:00:33	porky_	where can I learn scripting?
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2021-06-06 08:03:23	Kext_	Hello
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2021-06-06 08:06:46	ASDX	bodom: you kind of do that by assigning a physical volume to a volume group (a physical volume can't be assigned to more than one volume group). this image may help you with some of these concepts https://www.redhat.com/sysadmin/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/2020-03/LVM%20Cropped.jpg?itok=uDNgA2hu
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2021-06-06 08:08:56	ASDX	bodom: i didn't fully answer your question, but i THINK LVM tries to hide that info as when it comes to logical volumes, it wants you think in terms of volume groups without having to worry which physical volume(s) a logical volume is using
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2021-06-06 08:20:41	bodom	ASDX:  thanks. In my case, it is important to think of phisical volumes for disaster recovery. I'll look into a different solution then.
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2021-06-06 08:21:40	ASDX	bodom: maybe you can still use LVM but use it with RAID?
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2021-06-06 08:22:14	bodom	ASDX: yep, looking into building an mdraid
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2021-06-06 09:14:27	Inspiral	I have a network share that I can mount manually but when trying to mount via fstab it doesn't work and I get no error in syslog (linux mint 20) - //192.168.1.3/work      /home/user/work cifs    credentials=/root/credentials/work-share-credentials,_netdev,uid=1000,gid=1000,file_mode=0770,dir_mode=0770,rw,vers=1.0 0       0
2021-06-06 09:14:27	Inspiral	 any idea what might be wrong?
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2021-06-06 09:17:43	Inspiral	ok, seems that they are already mounted but umount returns: Could not unlink the key(s) from your keying. Please use `keyctl unlink` if you wish to remove the key(s). Proceeding with umount
2021-06-06 09:18:10	Inspiral	that is to say, they are reported as mounted but are empty..
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2021-06-06 09:21:53	porky_	why do people use tabs in scripting and in programming?
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2021-06-06 09:30:48	Dresden	porky: indentation
2021-06-06 09:30:50	Dresden	if(a) {
2021-06-06 09:30:51	Dresden	  f();
2021-06-06 09:30:52	Dresden	}
2021-06-06 09:30:57	Dresden	It's easier to read than
2021-06-06 09:30:58	Dresden	if(a) {
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2021-06-06 09:30:59	Dresden	f();
2021-06-06 09:31:00	Dresden	}
2021-06-06 09:31:37	porky	srsly?
2021-06-06 09:32:09	porky	I think the use of tabs makes it look weird
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2021-06-06 09:40:18	latiers	Hello, from the perspective of portability, what would be the difference between statically compiling my_program.c against libssl, libcrypt, etc...  versus dynamically compiling my_program.c against libssl.so, libcrypt.so, etc... then just have the *.so in the same directory as my_program whenever I move it?
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2021-06-06 11:17:28	pulsar12	is there a way to view process 'dumpable' attribute instead of using PR_GET_DUMPABLE with prctl?
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2021-06-06 11:33:43	gloops	anyone got any ideas for this - debian seems to have gone to sleep, and wont wake up, all usb ports dead, no screen
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2021-06-06 11:48:31	Prestige	hard reboot?
2021-06-06 11:48:47	gloops	powered on and off many times
2021-06-06 11:51:13	Prestige	does the screen show anything during the boot process?
2021-06-06 11:51:25	gloops	no nothing
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2021-06-06 11:51:32	Prestige	hm that's odd
2021-06-06 11:51:41	gloops	just getting 'no signal' from monitor
2021-06-06 11:52:22	Prestige	could be a few things, my first thought is maybe a bad cable?
2021-06-06 11:52:48	gloops	well all the usb ports are dead, it seems to be stuck in hibernation
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2021-06-06 11:53:27	Prestige	if you monitor shows nothing after a hard reboot I don't think it's a hibernation issue
2021-06-06 11:53:43	cryptopsy	why do i get a black screen after updating xorg server? here is my xorg.0.log   http://sprunge.us/nw1u18
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2021-06-06 12:05:06	cryptopsy	how do you show all version of a package in gentoo which can be installed?
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2021-06-06 12:10:52	Dresden	I have an SSD which is falsely claiming it's 512 byte sectoring, (hdparm and smartctl suggest 512 physica/logical - not the usual 512 logical 4096 physical for aF)
2021-06-06 12:11:10	Dresden	Every now and then it crashes or hangs for a timeout (then reinits the drive) with alignment errors
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2021-06-06 12:11:33	Dresden	How do I tell Linux "pretend it's AF" - or pretend it's 4096 bytes/sector - this is quite rare and sporadic, because by dumb luck most things are already aligned
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2021-06-06 12:33:23	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-06 12:33:28	WiseSon	;)
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2021-06-06 13:02:18	cryptopsy	did freenode lose a lot of users recently?
2021-06-06 13:05:20	koollman	yes
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2021-06-06 13:13:31	cryptopsy	need help with xorg-server, it cant find my intel video driver despite xorg-drivers package being installed, ... this happened afte an update
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2021-06-06 13:13:53	cryptopsy	can i get on the matrix network from the commandline
2021-06-06 13:13:55	cryptopsy	?
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2021-06-06 13:19:40	DLange	gomuks seems the most popular option
2021-06-06 13:19:41	triceratux	sure. run gomuks :)
2021-06-06 13:19:51	triceratux	plus what DLange said ^
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2021-06-06 13:20:08	DLange	same as what triceratux said :)
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2021-06-06 13:21:15	triceratux	theres even an arm binary that works on the pi https://github.com/tulir/gomuks/releases/tag/v0.2.3
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2021-06-06 13:27:11	cryptopsy	help x windows wont work after an update and i have no idea why its not finding my intel driver all of a sudden
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2021-06-06 13:35:37	Prestige	cryptopsy: kernel flags issue?
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2021-06-06 13:37:49	cryptopsy	i dont know, all i did was enable msr
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2021-06-06 13:43:42	cryptopsy	Prestige: where did you get that idea?
2021-06-06 13:44:21	Prestige	don't know why else you'd be having driver issues (and you're on gentoo), just a thought
2021-06-06 13:44:33	Prestige	the official gentoo channel is on libera btw if you wanted more support
2021-06-06 13:44:42	cryptopsy	i thought the driver came from xorg-drivers
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2021-06-06 13:45:04	cryptopsy	i will try to connect to libera
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2021-06-06 13:45:54	Dresden	Good luck
2021-06-06 13:46:32	ttmx	Hey there! I'm trying to make my first PKGBUILD, to place in the AUR, how can I install dependencies from the aur using said pkgbuild?
2021-06-06 13:46:32	ttmx	https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/lib32-libstdc++5 This is what I need to install for the program I'm trying to build a pkgbuild for
2021-06-06 13:47:54	akk	ttmx: Maybe try #arch? At least if no one here knows.
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2021-06-06 13:51:41	dev-isnt-a-dev	Hi! is there any tool (imagemagick or
2021-06-06 13:51:42	dev-isnt-a-dev	          |gimp for example) that will allow me to
2021-06-06 13:51:42	dev-isnt-a-dev	           select any patch of pixels smaller than
2021-06-06 13:51:43	dev-isnt-a-dev	         Y pixels (Exact colormatch, so for example all
2021-06-06 13:51:43	dev-isnt-a-dev	           patches for #000 which have less that 5
2021-06-06 13:51:44	dev-isnt-a-dev	          neighbours) and change the color of
2021-06-06 13:51:44	dev-isnt-a-dev	          those?
2021-06-06 13:52:14	dev-isnt-a-dev	what?
2021-06-06 13:52:23	kerframil	ttmx: by either installing them manually or using an aur helper. it's not something that's handled by writing a PKGBUILD in any particular way.
2021-06-06 13:52:34	phanes	dev-isnt-a-dev, #imagemagick
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2021-06-06 13:53:00	kerframil	ttmx: if you're doing it manually, you can use makepkg -si --asdeps.
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2021-06-06 13:54:07	kerframil	whether a package comes from a repo or not doesn't make it special, as far as declaring dependencies is concerned.
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2021-06-06 13:56:08	quartz12	Anyone know how to revert to linux drivers 450 on linux mint? In a terminal, I type "sudo apt install nvidia-drivers-450" and restart, but it stays on 460. I have issues with the 460 drivers.
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2021-06-06 14:15:42	ttmx	kerframil Well, but will I be able to publish the package in the AUR if I don't have an installer script for dependencies or something?
2021-06-06 14:16:06	ttmx	I'm very confused on which questions even to ask, thank you for the patience
2021-06-06 14:16:34	ttmx	I think its easier if I just explain what I want to do
2021-06-06 14:16:43	kerframil	ttmx: yes.
2021-06-06 14:16:50	ttmx	I just want to transform a script I made to install stuff "manually" into a PKGBUILD that I can put in the AUR
2021-06-06 14:16:52	ttmx	https://github.com/Diogo-Paulico/FCT-VPN
2021-06-06 14:17:28	ttmx	There is an "arch install" file there, which installs stuff properly, its just a normal script, how would I convert that somehow into a pkgbuild?
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2021-06-06 14:19:11	kerframil	things like "pacman -S lib32-libx11 lib32-pam openssl libnss_nis xterm" should not be scripted, obviously. you declare the dependencies in the manner that is prescribed for PKGBUILDs.
2021-06-06 14:19:51	ttmx	Correct yes
2021-06-06 14:20:04	ttmx	`depends=('firefox' 'openssl' 'xterm' 'libnss_nis' 'jre-openjdk' 'lib32-glibc' 'lib32-pam' 'lib32-libx11' 'lib32-libstdc++5')`
2021-06-06 14:20:29	ttmx	Slight issue is that lib32-libstdc++5 is only in the AUR
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2021-06-06 14:20:56	kerframil	it's not relevant. installing things from the aur is a client/user concern.
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2021-06-06 14:21:35	kerframil	which pivots back to my initial answer. you use an aur helper if you don't like installing PKGBUILDs residing in the AUR manually. it has no bearing on how you compose a PKGBUILD.
2021-06-06 14:21:52	kerframil	they are distinct concerns.
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2021-06-06 14:22:52	kerframil	the consumer of your PKGBUILD is either going to have to install lib32-libstdc++5 manually or - as is rather more likely - be using an aur hleper to install everything in the first place.
2021-06-06 14:23:09	kerframil	of course, you depend on it regardless, as it is needed.
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2021-06-06 14:24:57	ttmx	That does make sense! Thank you
2021-06-06 14:25:21	ttmx	Do you happen to know how I would test my own pkgbuild using yay?
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2021-06-06 14:26:19	kerframil	I think it would need to be published? beyond that, it's just wrapping pacman, makepkg and the like.
2021-06-06 14:26:25	ttmx	To make a pkgbuild you use makepkg, but even if I do PACMAN=yay makepkg -s it will try to run yay as sudo, which it doesn't like and fails.
2021-06-06 14:26:50	kerframil	oh, I see.
2021-06-06 14:27:03	ttmx	I just want to know how to test my stuff before I try to publish it, I hate publishing broken software
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2021-06-06 14:29:59	ttmx	Do you happen to have any ideas? Thank you
2021-06-06 14:31:00	kerframil	I don't know how to make that particular approach work. I do wonder, though, whether it's really necesary. we know that yay resolves packages from the AUR. I suppose the focus should be on testing the PKGBUILDs that you intend to publish and that can be done entirely without yay, can't it?
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2021-06-06 14:31:36	ttmx	I cannot, as I'm not sure it will resolve the dependencies correctly
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2021-06-06 14:32:24	kerframil	maybe pacstrap a clean root filesystem and chroot into that, so that you have a clean base system with no special pre-requisites yet satisfied.
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2021-06-06 14:33:18	ttmx	ALSO, something even more terrible...
2021-06-06 14:33:21	kerframil	you could then use makepkg to test your package, forcing you to resolve any dependencies that cannot be satisfied by the core repos. if you can follow that through to its logical conclusion without being stuck, your work should be publishable.
2021-06-06 14:33:28	ttmx	The website I have to download stuff from is insecure :D
2021-06-06 14:33:33	kerframil	oh dear.
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2021-06-06 14:34:17	ttmx	Insanely garbage tier university vpn :D
2021-06-06 14:34:44	ttmx	"--no-check-certificate" is what I had on my wget
2021-06-06 14:34:57	ttmx	I might just copy the files to my server and host it there
2021-06-06 14:35:19	kerframil	what a nuisance.
2021-06-06 14:35:52	ttmx	Do you know if the AUR will accept this?
2021-06-06 14:35:59	ttmx	Its an insane security risk
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2021-06-06 14:36:10	ttmx	I literally download a script from my server and then execute it
2021-06-06 14:36:15	ttmx	I could in theory put anything I want there
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2021-06-06 14:36:42	kerframil	I don't know but what is the purpose of this script?
2021-06-06 14:37:01	kerframil	are you talking about bypassing the normal download mechanisms?
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2021-06-06 14:37:53	kerframil	if so, that might raise some eyebrows or, at least, make it harder for people to trust your pkgbuild. I don't know what the policies are, though.
2021-06-06 14:38:55	ttmx	There is no installer for linux, me and some friends made one with some very very hacky practices
2021-06-06 14:39:04	kerframil	oh. well.
2021-06-06 14:39:06	ttmx	Our uni does not officially support linux :D
2021-06-06 14:39:15	ttmx	Its an engineering university :D
2021-06-06 14:39:29	ttmx	It doesn't let me deliver my projects in linux :D
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2021-06-06 14:40:03	ttmx	I would in theory have to send it to a friend using windows or macOS and give them my passwords if I didn't do this script to install stuff hackily
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2021-06-06 14:41:36	kerframil	I don't see why that would be an issue as long as it's not identifiably malicious. however, I would suggest including any such scripts alongside the PKGBUILD, ideally. that makes it easier for someone casually perusing the AUR to see how it's working at a glance.
2021-06-06 14:42:16	kerframil	other than that, you provide a checksum to provide a modicum of integrity but it's ultimately up to the would-be consumer to decide whether they trust you or not, much as with anything else in the AUR.
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2021-06-06 14:44:59	ttmx	I put them on github I guess, I might change that eventually
2021-06-06 14:45:04	ttmx	Now my issue is with the license
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2021-06-06 14:50:32	questi	heya
2021-06-06 14:50:40	questi	who here uses laptop only
2021-06-06 14:50:45	questi	0 smartphones?
2021-06-06 14:51:49	questi	ok might as well drink e vodka :P
2021-06-06 14:51:54	 *	questi pours a pint
2021-06-06 14:51:56	questi	hehe
2021-06-06 14:52:45	ttmx	Right uh, how would I add the "LICENSE" file properly to my bundle of pkgbuild files?
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2021-06-06 14:57:57	kerframil	ttmx: see https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/PKGBUILD#license. it explains what to do in the case that the license isn't covered by the official licenses package.
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2021-06-06 14:58:34	kerframil	basically, you should include a copy and ensure that it gets installed.
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2021-06-06 15:00:46	ttmx	Yepyep I did that already
2021-06-06 15:00:59	ttmx	I have a "LICENSE" file in the same dir as my pkgbuild
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2021-06-06 15:02:02	rcm888	new version of samba and win10 don't work together
2021-06-06 15:02:04	ttmx	How do I properly copy it over?
2021-06-06 15:02:10	rcm888	(out of the box)
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2021-06-06 15:02:42	ttmx	In the example they just say to use install LICENCE ...
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2021-06-06 15:03:16	ttmx	But since the installer is in the "src" directory, it doesn't seem to have access to my "LICENSE" file, as thats not one of the sources?
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2021-06-06 15:04:24	kerframil	ttmx: it will if you have "source" declare it properly.
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2021-06-06 15:04:37	kerframil	the source doesn't have to be remote.
2021-06-06 15:05:09	kerframil	:q
2021-06-06 15:05:10	ttmx	Oh, I see, do I just add a "LICENSE" source?
2021-06-06 15:05:11	kerframil	oops
2021-06-06 15:05:13	kerframil	yes
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2021-06-06 15:05:31	kerframil	and specify the checksum at the same index in your checksums array.
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2021-06-06 15:06:59	ttmx	Done that and it worked! thx!
2021-06-06 15:07:02	kerframil	nice.
2021-06-06 15:07:41	ttmx	MAN Pacman 6 with parallel downloads is FAST
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2021-06-06 15:08:18	[R]	just wait for pacman 7
2021-06-06 15:08:26	[R]	it'll blow your mind
2021-06-06 15:08:43	ttmx	Is that a meme or?
2021-06-06 15:09:04	ttmx	Yep its a meme
2021-06-06 15:09:04	 *	[R] giggles
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2021-06-06 15:09:24	[R]	all of a sudden, making a joke about a crappy dist is always a 'meme'?
2021-06-06 15:09:31	[R]	kids these days...
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2021-06-06 15:10:31	kerframil	#plebian ... you have to go back
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2021-06-06 15:23:43	freebds	How do i put a line break or new line in here-doc?
2021-06-06 15:24:04	ayecee	press enter
2021-06-06 15:24:16	freebds	no not like that
2021-06-06 15:24:41	ayecee	i can only read your words, not your mind
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2021-06-06 15:26:55	freebds	ssh  -t -i 'ec2-owasp-t2.pem' -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking no' ubuntu@ec2-54-80-121-122.compute-1.amazonaws.com  << "eof"  sudo -i  docker run -i owasp/zap2docker-stable zap-cli quick-scan --self-contained  --start-options '-config api.disablekey=true' https://echnology.com  eof
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2021-06-06 15:27:32	ayecee	you're trying to make a one-liner with a heredoc, eh
2021-06-06 15:27:38	ayecee	can't do that
2021-06-06 15:27:40	freebds	i am putting this in buildspec.yaml file where i cannot press enter to go to a new line
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2021-06-06 15:29:37	freebds	can't?
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2021-06-06 15:29:51	sharp_	I have restarted a system and now my hdd doesn't show mounted
2021-06-06 15:29:58	sharp_	https://dpaste.org/6AZZ
2021-06-06 15:30:03	sharp_	how can I check if HDD is mounted?
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2021-06-06 15:30:58	[R]	sharp_: cat /proc/mounts will show everything that is mounted
2021-06-06 15:31:02	freebds	ayecee there has to be a workaround
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2021-06-06 15:31:34	ayecee	sure, just not with heredoc
2021-06-06 15:31:43	ayecee	the workaround is to not use a heredoc
2021-06-06 15:31:48	sharp_	[R], so the mount point seems to be: /mnt/sdb-Raid1-TWOx900GBseagate/local-raid1/images/vm-20210-disk-1.raw
2021-06-06 15:31:59	sharp_	but that .raw file is not found and rest of the path does browse
2021-06-06 15:32:33	[R]	that looks like a file, not a mount point
2021-06-06 15:32:48	sharp_	right a file
2021-06-06 15:33:05	sharp_	[R] does this look like my drive is mounted? https://dpaste.org/rXpA
2021-06-06 15:33:12	sharp_	that is cat /proc/mounts ^^^
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2021-06-06 15:33:22	sharp_	all the files in that folder have disappeared
2021-06-06 15:33:24	[R]	do you see it listed?
2021-06-06 15:33:35	sharp_	I am not sure what I am looking for
2021-06-06 15:33:50	[R]	the device of the drive...
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2021-06-06 15:35:12	freebds	build:
2021-06-06 15:35:12	freebds	    commands:
2021-06-06 15:35:13	freebds	       - mvn install
2021-06-06 15:35:13	freebds	       - mvn package deploy -B -DmuleDeploy -Dapp.runtime=$app_runtime -Danypoint.platform.environment=$anypoint_platform_environment -Danypoint.platform.workers=$anypoint_platform_workers -Danypoint.platform.workertype=$anypoint_platform_workertype -Danypoint.platform.region=$anypoint_platform_region
2021-06-06 15:35:14	freebds	-Danypoint.platform.client_id=$anypoint_platform_client_id -Danypoint.platform.client_secret=$anypoint_platform_client_secret -X
2021-06-06 15:35:14	freebds	       - chmod 400 ec2-owasp-t2.pem
2021-06-06 15:35:15	freebds	       - ssh -i 'ec2-owasp-t2.pem' -o 'StrictHostKeyChecking no' ubuntu@$add  <<eof sudo -i docker run -i owasp/zap2docker-stable zap-cli quick-scan --self-contained  --start-options '-config api.disablekey=true' https:/sotechnology.com eof
2021-06-06 15:35:15	freebds	artifacts:
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2021-06-06 15:35:42	freebds	ayecee how do i put a line break here
2021-06-06 15:36:11	ayecee	in where
2021-06-06 15:36:13	sharp_	[R] I don't think so
2021-06-06 15:36:19	sharp_	[R] here is lsblk: https://dpaste.org/m8cv
2021-06-06 15:36:20	freebds	after ssh
2021-06-06 15:36:38	ayecee	freebds: how many different ways can i say "you can't" before you believe me
2021-06-06 15:36:49	[R]	well, then sounds like its not mounted
2021-06-06 15:36:49	ayecee	freebds: if you won't believe me, why ask me
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2021-06-06 15:38:02	sharp_	[R] but why can I browse all the way to folder?
2021-06-06 15:38:07	ayecee	freebds: maybe put the commands in an actual file
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2021-06-06 15:38:21	sharp_	[R] and here is parted of /dev/sdb: https://dpaste.org/JMrp
2021-06-06 15:38:26	ayecee	freebds: or, echo them to the command
2021-06-06 15:39:00	sharp_	[R] see here please: root@proxmox-a:/mnt/sdb-Raid1-TWOx900GBseagate/local-raid1/images# pwd
2021-06-06 15:39:15	sharp_	so I can get all the way here but inside this folder of images I should see .raw files I think
2021-06-06 15:39:23	sharp_	do you still think it is not mounted?
2021-06-06 15:39:49	[R]	does it show up in /proc/mounts?
2021-06-06 15:40:07	sharp_	what?
2021-06-06 15:40:22	sharp_	the /sdb-Raid1?
2021-06-06 15:40:27	[R]	why do you think the answer will be differnt if you keep asking the same thing over and over?
2021-06-06 15:40:33	[R]	is it in /proc/mounts? if not, its not mounted
2021-06-06 15:40:35	[R]	there is no inbetween
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2021-06-06 15:41:24	sharp_	No, I don't think that. I genuinely don't know what I am looking for in cat /proc/mounts
2021-06-06 15:41:37	sharp_	https://dpaste.org/rXpA#L14
2021-06-06 15:41:53	sharp_	am I looking for the path with a name sdb-Raid1 or name of the hdd?
2021-06-06 15:41:56	sharp_	or something else?
2021-06-06 15:42:18	ayecee	sharp_: the device name of what you think is mounted, or the directory where you think it's mounted
2021-06-06 15:42:56	sharp_	directory should be /mnt/sdb-Raid1-TWOx900GBseagate/local-raid1/images and I don't see that in cat /proc/mounts
2021-06-06 15:43:05	sharp_	but the directory does exist and I "cd" into it
2021-06-06 15:43:18	sharp_	I guess it's just a mounting point and HDD is not mounted. Is that what is happening?
2021-06-06 15:43:23	ayecee	yes
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2021-06-06 15:43:51	ayecee	at this point it's just a normal directory
2021-06-06 15:43:53	sharp_	thanks for confirming ayecee
2021-06-06 15:43:58	sharp_	and thanks for the tips [R]
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2021-06-06 15:44:15	sharp_	now I am looking at my bash history and I see I mounted previously using mount -o loop and different ways
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2021-06-06 15:44:21	sharp_	so I have to figure which way is right
2021-06-06 15:44:36	sharp_	and then I have to make this a permennt solution. How to do that so it mounts automatically at restart?
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2021-06-06 15:45:48	ayecee	add it to /etc/fstab i guess
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2021-06-06 15:46:53	sharp_	ayecee this command sounds correct? mount /dev/sdb /mnt/sdb-Raid1-TWOx900GBseagate/
2021-06-06 15:47:56	ayecee	if there's a filesystem directly on /dev/sdb, maybe. that would be unusual. more often it would be on a partition, or for a raid, on a raid device name
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2021-06-06 15:48:21	sharp_	I have to mention again, you are helpful people. Thanks guys.
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2021-06-06 15:48:24	ayecee	i haven't been following along, i don't know what's what there.
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2021-06-06 15:48:45	sharp_	ayecee this worked from my bash history
2021-06-06 15:48:59	sharp_	so I will do this for now till I get back home from datacenter
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2021-06-06 15:49:07	ayecee	ok
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2021-06-06 15:49:10	sharp_	but want to know why you say unusual?
2021-06-06 15:49:55	sharp_	also, if that is the command that gets it running and I decide to not change that, where can I add it to fstab to make sure it happens again at restart?
2021-06-06 15:49:55	ayecee	because it's not normally like that
2021-06-06 15:50:11	sharp_	ayecee what is an example of normal?
2021-06-06 15:50:19	kerframil	what seems unusual to me is the name of the mount point. "Raid1" ... is it?
2021-06-06 15:50:25	ayecee	/dev/sdb1 or /dev/md0 for example
2021-06-06 15:50:30	ayecee	respectively
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2021-06-06 15:52:58	sharp_	kerframil, maybe it's a misnomer and it's just one hdd
2021-06-06 15:53:11	sharp_	ayecee so you mean naming convention is not right?
2021-06-06 15:53:20	sharp_	or you mean the command mount has to have some switches etc?
2021-06-06 15:53:30	kerframil	that's what I mean. if the bakcking device is merely /dev/sdb, it either has to be or you're mounting a raid member in isolation (which would lead to array corruption).
2021-06-06 15:53:39	kerframil	or, at least, the array being out of sync.
2021-06-06 15:53:49	kerframil	hopefully it is just a misnomer.
2021-06-06 15:53:52	ayecee	sharp_: right, the name refers to a device that doesn't normally have a filesystem on it
2021-06-06 15:54:11	sharp_	kerframil, how can I know if it is truly a raid or not?
2021-06-06 15:54:27	ayecee	is there only one disk?
2021-06-06 15:54:27	kerframil	sharp_: mdadm -E /dev/sdb
2021-06-06 15:54:31	ayecee	then it's not a raid
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2021-06-06 15:54:34	sharp_	ayecee I am afraid this is an external hdd that is running VMs - bad design.
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2021-06-06 15:54:38	sharp_	but I could be wrong
2021-06-06 15:54:43	kerframil	(if you're sure /dev/sdb is mountable at present)
2021-06-06 15:55:00	ayecee	sharp_: so like one external hdd?
2021-06-06 15:55:01	sharp_	mdadm command not found
2021-06-06 15:55:07	ayecee	then it's not a raid
2021-06-06 15:55:10	sharp_	internal HDDs are full I think
2021-06-06 15:55:18	sharp_	I am guessing all this
2021-06-06 15:55:20	sharp_	have to find out
2021-06-06 15:55:32	sharp_	surprised OS have been running well on external hdd
2021-06-06 15:55:33	ayecee	but also /dev/sdb isn't a raid device name
2021-06-06 15:56:49	sharp_	a second fan degraded on it and HD controll shows 49 c now
2021-06-06 15:56:53	sharp_	so it shutdown
2021-06-06 15:56:56	sharp_	and that is how I am here
2021-06-06 15:57:19	sharp_	ayecee so how do I confirm it is that external hdd?
2021-06-06 15:57:23	sharp_	which is connected with usb
2021-06-06 15:57:35	ayecee	how do you mean
2021-06-06 15:57:45	kerframil	if you're not clear on what's what, lsblk or blkid might help you.
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2021-06-06 15:59:21	kerframil	also, an sd[a-z] device could, in theory, be a block device provided by a hardware raid controller. so, it might not necessarily be a misnomer.
2021-06-06 15:59:50	ayecee	i guess, like a usb-connected enclosure with two disks inside
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2021-06-06 16:00:34	kerframil	usb, eh. try "lsblk -o +tran", I suppose.
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2021-06-06 16:02:04	sharp_	kerframil, posted that earlier: https://dpaste.org/m8cv
2021-06-06 16:02:43	sharp_	kerframil, now updated to this: https://dpaste.org/LM9R
2021-06-06 16:02:57	sharp_	how can this tell you if it's a external single hdd or an internal raid hdds?
2021-06-06 16:03:20	sharp_	ayecee that is a good point but i think it's one hdd in enclousure
2021-06-06 16:03:26	sharp_	quiet bad design I am afraid
2021-06-06 16:03:38	sharp_	i am surprised VMs boot up from external hdd with usb 2.0
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2021-06-06 16:04:17	sharp_	120F on HD Controller is ok? temp
2021-06-06 16:04:22	sharp_	or 111 on chipset
2021-06-06 16:04:46	Dresden	sharp_: use sane units
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2021-06-06 16:05:04	Dresden	What's that in units the UK didn't drop because they were shit :P
2021-06-06 16:05:08	kerframil	sharp_: it won't tell me all of that but, if you'd included "-o +tran", it would have at least indicated whether it's using usb as a transport.
2021-06-06 16:05:35	sharp_	Dresden, C you mean?
2021-06-06 16:06:09	sharp_	kerframil, adds "sas"
2021-06-06 16:06:11	Dresden	sharp_: you could do K if you wanted to
2021-06-06 16:06:25	sharp_	server doesn't show K; only C of F
2021-06-06 16:06:56	sharp_	Dresden, what are you talking about?
2021-06-06 16:07:09	sharp_	kerframil, "sas" helps?
2021-06-06 16:07:33	kerframil	sharp_: serial-attached scsi. you can run, say, "udevadm info -a /dev/sdb" to get a lot more information about it.
2021-06-06 16:07:37	sharp_	https://dpaste.org/MsTP
2021-06-06 16:08:23	sharp_	https://dpaste.org/1Uso kerframil
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2021-06-06 16:08:49	kerframil	DRIVERS=="hpsa" ... probably hardware raid then.
2021-06-06 16:08:51	sharp_	a lot of info
2021-06-06 16:08:53	kerframil	and internal.
2021-06-06 16:08:58	sharp_	ah I see
2021-06-06 16:09:01	sharp_	but still probably :)
2021-06-06 16:09:10	kerframil	although, it could be an external enclosure also, in theory.
2021-06-06 16:09:13	sharp_	ok will check this another time; there is some hope now
2021-06-06 16:09:30	kerframil	that's hpsa for HP Smart Array, in case you don't know.
2021-06-06 16:09:34	sharp_	I have to disconnect now; will come back tonight and check again
2021-06-06 16:09:37	sharp_	yes, it's a hp
2021-06-06 16:09:50	sharp_	and the raid is fake I think
2021-06-06 16:09:55	sharp_	or whatever the term is
2021-06-06 16:09:57	kerframil	it isn't.
2021-06-06 16:10:24	sharp_	I see
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2021-06-06 16:10:45	sharp_	Thanks guys.
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2021-06-06 16:50:07	altwulf	I don't personally demand that anybody use any particular "unit", I just demand that the units be identified.
2021-06-06 16:51:15	oxek	that sounds like part of a joke
2021-06-06 16:51:17	altwulf	By the way, Dresden, the units you claim are so "sane" were invented by the French. O:)
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2021-06-06 16:53:50	Dresden	altwulf: thank you
2021-06-06 16:54:33	simbaclaws	oooh lala je t'aime mon baguette
2021-06-06 16:54:56	simbaclaws	sorry
2021-06-06 16:54:57	altwulf	That would be "MA baguette", you semiliterate LUTINE!
2021-06-06 16:55:29	simbaclaws	just like le and la right?
2021-06-06 16:55:41	altwulf	Yeah. Grammatical gender is a curse.
2021-06-06 16:56:19	simbaclaws	in todays day and age there should be a lo lu ly as well
2021-06-06 16:56:42	rcm888	samba fails at check_domain_match
2021-06-06 16:56:50	altwulf	We didn't have enough genders in the bad old days when English had *three* of them?
2021-06-06 16:57:53	simbaclaws	so wait, we got binary, 0, 1 and non binary, which is both 0 and 1 simultaniously and then there is null, which is not non binary but also not binary right?
2021-06-06 16:57:58	oxek	abolish gender in french language then
2021-06-06 16:58:04	simbaclaws	should we switch to a decimal system?
2021-06-06 16:58:35	simbaclaws	or do we need hex or octal?
2021-06-06 16:59:04	simbaclaws	to make it less confusing ofcourse
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2021-06-06 17:01:52	simbaclaws	I want my gender to be void, in order to create everything
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2021-06-06 17:08:25	abckb__	I just stumbled upon this beautiful ultrafast distro: https://archcraft.io/
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2021-06-06 17:08:37	abckb__	So beautiful!
2021-06-06 17:08:59	abckb__	I am gonna give it a try right away!
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2021-06-06 17:09:39	simbaclaws	looks pretty nice tbh
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2021-06-06 17:13:58	abckb__	oh yes!
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2021-06-06 19:19:21	Linkandzelda	anyone here use syncthing?
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2021-06-06 20:08:09	bagira	Linkandzelda, what's `syncthing`?  what are you really trying to do?
2021-06-06 20:08:38	Linkandzelda	bagira: syncthing is a sync program ive heard about for years
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2021-06-06 20:10:31	Linkandzelda	bagira: what im trying to do, is sync my stuff. i use nextcloud for about 5 years, dropbox before that. i like nextcloud but its got serious problems and its seriously slow
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2021-06-06 20:11:05	bagira	Linkandzelda, oh sorry i thought you had a linux question
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2021-06-06 20:11:16	bagira	i use rsync
2021-06-06 20:11:33	Linkandzelda	bagira: technically not just wondered if theres linux users using syncthing
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2021-06-06 20:22:51	akk	I use rsync, but that's not continuous syncing like syncthing apparently does.
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2021-06-06 20:23:27	Linkandzelda	rsync is great for making backups or transfering files, but not for keeping stuff in 2-way sync as far as i know
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2021-06-06 20:26:41	Linkandzelda	im exploring syncthing as a solution to distributing masses of TB across different local machines, while also choosing what is put on each one
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2021-06-06 20:36:59	bagira	that just isn't accurate Linkandzelda
2021-06-06 20:37:12	bagira	rsync is still the best tool out there for 2-way sync between filesystems
2021-06-06 20:37:28	bagira	remote and locally
2021-06-06 20:37:46	[R]	what about 3 way?
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2021-06-06 20:38:11	Linkandzelda	bagira: im not sure it is
2021-06-06 20:38:16	bagira	[R], I think that requires some tool released 3 months ago that Linkandzelda has been hearing about for years
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2021-06-06 20:38:36	[R]	what about FOUR WAY!?
2021-06-06 20:38:42	Linkandzelda	bagira: 3 months ago?
2021-06-06 20:39:17	bagira	Linkandzelda, it's just not a terribly popular tool
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2021-06-06 20:39:51	Linkandzelda	bagira: i think its popular, at least i thought it was
2021-06-06 20:39:52	bagira	rsync is well proven though as long as you have filesystems you're accessing and not clunky api's
2021-06-06 20:40:00	bagira	well you think wrong then
2021-06-06 20:40:50	Linkandzelda	bagira: i think that because you didnt know what it was, its "not a popular tool". rsync and syncthing solve different problems
2021-06-06 20:41:16	Linkandzelda	bagira: can you write me a script to keep my 53 devices in sync with rsync?
2021-06-06 20:42:01	Linkandzelda	and i dont want it centralised either
2021-06-06 20:42:15	bagira	Linkandzelda, sure, initial consultation is 3k, retainer is 100k
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2021-06-06 20:42:38	Linkandzelda	bagira: no need, because i wouldnt accept the solution most likley hehe
2021-06-06 20:42:51	bagira	Linkandzelda, then you're probably not qualified to have an opinion on it
2021-06-06 20:43:11	Linkandzelda	bagira: i'll leave that up to you to decide
2021-06-06 20:43:27	[R]	bagira: what kind of messed up teeth do you have that you need a 100k retainer?
2021-06-06 20:43:32	bagira	anyway, yes, a pull model from client with rsync to 53 machines is doable
2021-06-06 20:43:46	Linkandzelda	bagira: what about pull and push?
2021-06-06 20:43:47	bagira	[R], you're a messed up 100k retainer
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2021-06-06 20:44:05	[R]	lol
2021-06-06 20:44:14	bagira	Linkandzelda, oh you want multiple sources of truth?  sounds like a broken model
2021-06-06 20:44:16	Linkandzelda	for the record i do all my backups with rsync
2021-06-06 20:45:19	Linkandzelda	bagira: well think bitcoin, there's multiple sources of truth there
2021-06-06 20:45:41	bagira	eek
2021-06-06 20:45:52	bagira	well this got dumb fast
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2021-06-06 20:46:15	bagira	[R], hey do you still do contract work?
2021-06-06 20:47:00	[R]	bagira: nope
2021-06-06 20:47:08	bagira	are you lyin to me
2021-06-06 20:47:11	[R]	lol
2021-06-06 20:47:13	bagira	dont hold out on me
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2021-06-06 20:47:55	bagira	i need some nerds to write a pure C port of i3-wm
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2021-06-06 20:48:19	Linkandzelda	bagira: if its done with rsync there's 2 issues. 1. how to distribute the stuff around all the machines, and how to handle any conflicts
2021-06-06 20:48:22	[R]	rofl
2021-06-06 20:48:33	bagira	Linkandzelda, check the manpage
2021-06-06 20:49:13	Nickwiz	Is it just me, or is reading plain txt documents superior to (a lot of) HTML variants?
2021-06-06 20:49:37	Nickwiz	https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ioctl/botching-up-ioctls.txt vs
2021-06-06 20:49:39	Nickwiz	https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/latest/process/botching-up-ioctls.html
2021-06-06 20:49:43	Nickwiz	for example ...
2021-06-06 20:50:01	Linkandzelda	bagira: sounds like an answer for "im not sure, get off my back"
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2021-06-06 20:50:23	bagira	Linkandzelda, i think your primary source of confusion is not viewing the act of syncing two directories as a batch type of work.  it is a transaction that completes and then needs run again.  it is not a stream.  any abstraction that goes over keeping directories in sync are ultimately that way as well.
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2021-06-06 20:51:00	bagira	Linkandzelda, and no, the manpage has specific options for your specific concerns
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2021-06-06 20:51:46	Linkandzelda	bagira: i agree with that, though i think that with more than 2 machines rsync doesnt scale as well as a p2p model would
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2021-06-06 20:52:48	bagira	Linkandzelda, you are correct that a misconfigured recurring batch job will not scale as well as a properly configured batch job
2021-06-06 20:53:37	bagira	honestly it sounds like you'd be better off using a shared filesystem at that scale to minimize resource overhead
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2021-06-06 20:54:08	bagira	and then use bind mounts to put stuff in multiple places on the machine
2021-06-06 20:54:46	Linkandzelda	i thought of that but all the content needs to be available offline, and online, and not all of it on each device
2021-06-06 20:55:07	bagira	50+ syncs across hosts is absurd without a record of truth
2021-06-06 20:55:22	bagira	you should consider redesigning this solution
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2021-06-06 21:00:04	Linkandzelda	bagira: well, a central location would amplify the requirement of storage in this case. example being total footprint across all hosts is 10TB. 2TB is on hosts 1-10, 4TB is on hosts 5-15, another 1TB is on hosts 10-20, and the last TBs are on hosts 10-50. total footprint is 10TB while each host doesn't need 10TB of storage right away
2021-06-06 21:01:04	Linkandzelda	however any of that data should be "made available" on any of those hosts whenever required. made available being both offline and online availablity
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2021-06-06 21:01:28	oops	accessing some blocked website with vpn, it's always prompt "SSL_ERROR_BAD_CERT_DOMAIN", how to fix it,
2021-06-06 21:01:39	bagira	so 4 NFS exports and an extra host that syncs to one local storage device
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2021-06-06 21:02:50	Linkandzelda	bagira: NFS over the internet?
2021-06-06 21:03:16	bagira	Linkandzelda, depends on the rest of the solution and what problems it is solving imo
2021-06-06 21:03:34	bagira	i would use a VPS or some kind of network segregation / boundary
2021-06-06 21:03:45	bagira	erm a VPC
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2021-06-06 21:04:11	[R]	bagira: i don't think 'segregation' is allowed eitehr
2021-06-06 21:04:24	bagira	[R], in the context of virtual domains
2021-06-06 21:04:33	bagira	i mean logical
2021-06-06 21:04:44	bagira	i suck at english today
2021-06-06 21:04:46	[R]	bagira: master/slave in the context of hardware buses doesn't matter... shouldn't matter here
2021-06-06 21:04:46	Linkandzelda	bagira: those hosts are separate locations, so every host that needs offline data (all), stores it on itself because if it only needed it online i'd do what you suggested and just mount a shared filesystem
2021-06-06 21:05:57	bagira	Linkandzelda, so build out a p2p tunnel and make it only available to NAT ips pointing at those hosts
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2021-06-06 21:06:22	bagira	you're solving a network problem with application layer overhead
2021-06-06 21:07:08	bagira	p2p == point-to-point
2021-06-06 21:07:12	Linkandzelda	bagira: what complicates it the most is offline data. if the host is offline, how does it access any remote data that is not already on the device? no internet connection or lan
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2021-06-06 21:07:38	Linkandzelda	and yes, syncthing is p2p, thats why i was looking at it
2021-06-06 21:07:51	bagira	yeah thats why i said this needs redesigned, because you should be able to access data offline in the context of the NFS export host
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2021-06-06 21:08:28	bagira	no you are confused, a p2p tunnel is point to point tunnel, you are talking about something else
2021-06-06 21:09:56	bagira	think of it like a big bridge between your datacenters that only things in your datacenters can access routes through
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2021-06-06 21:10:47	bagira	also check out ##networking for more details on how that works
2021-06-06 21:11:29	Linkandzelda	bagira: i'll look into it more. network wise, at least, i considered this both an application and networking issue
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2021-06-06 21:12:33	Linkandzelda	and maybe it should be redesigned to pose less problems
2021-06-06 21:12:49	bagira	Linkandzelda, also AWS has something called DirectConnect that works in a similar way, we used it to reduce latency to near-local ranges for similar logistical problems
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2021-06-06 21:14:22	Linkandzelda	bagira: im still stuck on how a host that is completely dead from any network can possibly gain network access to those files though, without them being synced beforehand
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2021-06-06 21:15:22	bagira	Linkandzelda, this is why you have to share your functional and non-functional requirements when asking for help, because who knows, that may not even be required, but no one would know, so people are just hammering on wooden boards to your already questionable design instead of providing cleaner solutions
2021-06-06 21:15:51	Linkandzelda	how they do the sync when there is a network, i'd say thats a different problem. it could be a simple VPN connectionor something much more elaborate
2021-06-06 21:16:22	Linkandzelda	bagira: i did say they have to be available offline
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2021-06-06 21:16:45	Linkandzelda	offline as in no network, not even local, because its handheld devices
2021-06-06 21:16:59	bagira	right but you didn't say why, just because you think something or want something doesn't mean it's needed for it to work; most complex solutions have design compromises to make primary functional requirements at the cost of nice to haves
2021-06-06 21:17:39	bagira	mapping our your NFRs and FRs is critical because it also helps you prioritize them
2021-06-06 21:18:42	Linkandzelda	bagira: thats a very true statement, and often the case in many people who think thy need something just because they decided they need something else before that which has the effect of deciding things for them that maybe they could have avoided
2021-06-06 21:18:45	bagira	now some of the newfish will say "ew up front planning, that's waterfall" and that's why they can't get a decent solution out that won't get thrown out as soon as their contracts are pulled
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2021-06-06 21:19:10	bagira	because architecture can be cyclical sure, but needs a longer cycle than implementation
2021-06-06 21:19:10	Linkandzelda	however in this situation, costs are the issue (when isnt it)
2021-06-06 21:20:06	bagira	every design decision you make has an opportunity cost
2021-06-06 21:20:19	bagira	so i would go back to the SDD
2021-06-06 21:20:22	bagira	and fill it out
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2021-06-06 21:21:52	Linkandzelda	i weighed this up to a simple question which i answered on my own before proceeding to this point: a few TBs in a lot of hosts is cheaper than making sure those hosts have mobile access to the internet whenever they need. because that angle then means the data can be accessed over the net. and many would be hell bent on figuring out how to provide those hosts with network
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2021-06-06 21:23:08	Linkandzelda	they have network access most of the time but not all the time
2021-06-06 21:23:23	bagira	what's the distributed systems's purpose?
2021-06-06 21:23:38	Linkandzelda	just to make sure this data is always available
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2021-06-06 21:25:20	Linkandzelda	i felt the logical solution, and pretty much free (ish), is figuring out a sync and distributing system where i decide what hosts get what from a collection of data
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2021-06-06 21:26:28	Linkandzelda	maybe i complicated it down the line
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2021-06-06 21:27:56	bagira	every solution design begins with non-technical answers to non-technical problems
2021-06-06 21:28:21	bagira	"What is the purpose of the distributed system you are building"
2021-06-06 21:28:33	bagira	the how depends on the what
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2021-06-06 21:29:43	bagira	Linkandzelda, https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=system+design+document
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2021-06-06 21:30:13	[R]	i once wrote an SDP at work... that was very strenous
2021-06-06 21:30:26	[R]	probably first and only document i've ever written
2021-06-06 21:30:55	bagira	[R], yeah i mean every org i go to i end up telling them they need an sdp specification that is tailored to their env or they are just creating red tape that interferes with architecture
2021-06-06 21:31:35	bagira	an SDP (or SDD in some cases) is important though for anything larger than a blog article
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2021-06-06 21:32:05	[R]	and then any time anyone asks for any documetnation, first i laugh at them
2021-06-06 21:32:12	[R]	then i say "well, actually, i do have an SDP"
2021-06-06 21:32:32	bagira	lol
2021-06-06 21:32:49	bagira	how do implementers get into implementation without access to the SDP
2021-06-06 21:32:54	[R]	"we ain't got no time for document writin"
2021-06-06 21:33:04	bagira	it is literally their job to read it
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2021-06-06 21:34:43	Linkandzelda	bagira: to be fair i dont write these docs, i just write a spec and then do it
2021-06-06 21:36:31	[R]	i take the spec from the customer, and give it to the engineers
2021-06-06 21:36:34	[R]	IM A PEOPLE PERSON
2021-06-06 21:36:43	bagira	lol
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2021-06-06 21:41:23	bagira	i have seen bad architecture teams turn the sdp into a nightmare though, they get all philosophical and snobby and alienate engineering who wants to get stuff done
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2021-06-06 21:41:42	bagira	end up requiring a novel and think they're done instead of creating a process framework around it
2021-06-06 21:44:14	isapgswell	come on google
2021-06-06 21:44:14	isapgswell	what about quantum linux kernel security analisys?
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2021-06-06 21:45:17	Linkandzelda	bagira: well regardless of what i do, if you never heard of syncthing its worth checking out
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2021-06-07 18:31:41	Abrax	people really need to stop advert chans on other networks
2021-06-07 18:32:32	oxek	Abrax: it's not advertising if it's answering a question
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2021-06-07 18:38:54	kerframil	Abrax: I had checked the topic of the ##webhosting channel and noted that it has "moved to libera". if you are aware of an alternative channel that is available at freenode then I'm sure nothing stops you from suggesting it.
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2021-06-07 18:39:52	jim	gigasu_shida, seen the second lecture? if so, what did you think of sussman?
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2021-06-07 18:55:06	z1haze	thanks for the info, didnt mean to cause a stir
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2021-06-07 18:58:45	phanes	kerframil, yeah ##aws is here but really just knowing what the vps is providing and the underlying virtualization style is what you're looking for
2021-06-07 18:59:42	noord	z1haze: they allocate hyperthread mostly, if your game server is resource intensive maybe look at dedicated servers
2021-06-07 18:59:58	noord	you don't want to be affected by bad neighbor
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2021-06-07 19:01:18	z1haze	i found a company, (buyvm) who advertises as dedicated cores. im going to try that. i've been searching for what seems like forever to find a reliable setup thats not insanely priced. The problem is that I dont really need an entire dedicated server, or want to pay the hundreds to have it
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2021-06-07 19:01:41	z1haze	this place will give me 2 dedicated cores, and a bit of memory (hopefully) this does the trick.. shall see
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2021-06-07 19:03:12	noord	z1haze: start with 4-8gb 2-4vcore vps then increase if needed
2021-06-07 19:03:50	z1haze	that's what im going to do, this is the first place i found that advertises a dedicated core, rather than the 'fair share' stuff
2021-06-07 19:04:53	gigasu_shida	jim : i didn't get to sussman yet. will do later this evening
2021-06-07 19:06:41	z1haze	can anyone explain why when im trying to use vim to edit a file (on a particular server) when in edit mode, i use my arrow keys, and it starts typing letters like A and B instead of moving the cursor
2021-06-07 19:08:16	oxek	z1haze: $TERM is set to wrong values
2021-06-07 19:08:46	z1haze	how do i fix? this is the first time ive ever encountered this on a fresh installation
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2021-06-07 19:09:23	oxek	make sure you $TERM variable is set to a value that is supported on the remote server. If it is a linux server, then you need a correct terminfo database there.
2021-06-07 19:09:30	sena	z1haze: first, check with "echo $TERM" which value it returns to see if that's the problem
2021-06-07 19:09:40	oxek	what's the $TERM on your local system? and what is the OS on the remote server?
2021-06-07 19:10:03	z1haze	im using putty locally to connect to a ubuntu 20.04 instance
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2021-06-07 19:10:49	z1haze	the value i have is xterm though
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2021-06-07 19:11:08	sena	should be
2021-06-07 19:11:10	sena	ok
2021-06-07 19:11:16	z1haze	which is the same as i have on other servers, which do not have this problem
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2021-06-07 19:11:46	oxek	z1haze: is ncurses-term package installed on the server?
2021-06-07 19:12:24	akoana	z1haze: do you have  /lib/terminfo/x/xterm  on the server?
2021-06-07 19:13:06	z1haze	no, and yes
2021-06-07 19:13:31	akoana	(here /lib/terminfo/x/xterm is provided by the ncurses-base package)
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2021-06-07 19:14:03	z1haze	dpkg-query: package 'ncurses-term' is not installed and no information is available
2021-06-07 19:14:43	z1haze	and /lib/terminfo/x/xterm: Compiled terminfo entry "xterm"
2021-06-07 19:15:18	oxek	try installing that package
2021-06-07 19:15:30	sena	are you really using vim (not vi)? does "vim --version" show it's vim?
2021-06-07 19:15:47	oxek	(the workaround is also to not use the arrow keys)
2021-06-07 19:15:48	z1haze	im using vi
2021-06-07 19:16:09	z1haze	VIM - Vi IMproved 8.1 (2018 May 18, compiled Apr 15 2020 06:40:31)
2021-06-07 19:16:19	sena	ok, it's vim
2021-06-07 19:16:24	sena	so it should be ok
2021-06-07 19:16:24	z1haze	yes
2021-06-07 19:16:35	z1haze	what should be okay?
2021-06-07 19:16:52	z1haze	ive the same exact linux distro installed fresh on 2 different servers, one has this issue, one does not
2021-06-07 19:17:02	z1haze	imt sure how you are supposed to navigate without using the arrows in vim?>
2021-06-07 19:17:12	oxek	z1haze: hjkl
2021-06-07 19:17:14	kerframil	likely, but not necessarily. vi could be invoking something else.
2021-06-07 19:17:36	oxek	vim might behave differently if you start it as 'vi', compat might be enabled
2021-06-07 19:17:38	z1haze	kerframil, vi --version gave the above output
2021-06-07 19:17:41	sena	vim (vi improved) should be ok using the arrow keys
2021-06-07 19:17:52	oxek	I still think you should install that ncurses-term package
2021-06-07 19:18:06	z1haze	what is it used for?
2021-06-07 19:18:33	oxek	z1haze: it gives support for terminals like putty
2021-06-07 19:18:51	z1haze	hmm.. let me see if my other servers somehow have that installed
2021-06-07 19:19:06	z1haze	ha, they do
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2021-06-07 19:20:20	kerframil	putty defaults to "xterm", though.
2021-06-07 19:20:28	z1haze	okay, installed it. same exact issue
2021-06-07 19:20:30	kerframil	and you already have the terminfo file
2021-06-07 19:20:37	oxek	z1haze: did you disconnect/reconnect after installing it?
2021-06-07 19:20:43	z1haze	no but i am now
2021-06-07 19:20:56	z1haze	issue persists
2021-06-07 19:21:02	z1haze	down arrow inserts B character
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2021-06-07 19:21:15	z1haze	this is very weird.
2021-06-07 19:21:55	oxek	it isn't weird, pressing down arrow actually emits the string ^[OB which should then be interpreted as down arrow
2021-06-07 19:22:06	oxek	but it isn't being interpreted in your case
2021-06-07 19:22:15	z1haze	which is weird, to me.
2021-06-07 19:22:40	z1haze	i just manually installed vim and its fine now
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2021-06-07 19:25:53	kerframil	it was running in "compatible" mode then.
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2021-06-07 19:26:09	sena	maybe you had only vim-tiny installed... it's a minimal vim just for base installations... dunno if vim-tiny has ncurses support
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2021-06-07 19:26:39	kerframil	it does. I have no idea why it was operating in compatible mode, though.
2021-06-07 19:26:51	kerframil	adding "set nocompatible" to .vimrc would likely have fixed it.
2021-06-07 19:27:03	z1haze	i read somethin about that
2021-06-07 19:27:13	kerframil	or removing "set compatible", if applicable.
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2021-06-07 19:37:09	oxek	assuming vim-tiny even reads .vimrc
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2021-06-07 19:42:23	kerframil	it does. it's still vim, after all.
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2021-06-07 19:43:45	kerframil	it's not about whether it's large or tiny. the problem was that it was in compatible mode and, I'm certain, z1haze was not in normal mode. that's when the problem rears its head.
2021-06-07 19:44:15	kerframil	you can try it out for yourself with :set compatible, then trying to move around with the arrow keys outside of normal mode.
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2021-06-07 19:50:26	jim	gigasu_shida, in that series, abelson and sussman trade off, abelson might do 1,3,5 and sussman will do 2,4,6
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2021-06-07 20:50:10	isapgswell	Qubes OS is on the right path
2021-06-07 20:50:10	isapgswell	most isolated programs context is the right decision to QA(quality assurance) like stability, security, performance, privacy, symetric/assimetric processing and finnally scalability
2021-06-07 20:50:10	isapgswell	i would like to add another security info concern, how to implement OFUSCATED SMOKE SCREEN in addition to a isolated vm's environment
2021-06-07 20:50:10	isapgswell	lets think some about this new paradgima/techniqué
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2021-06-07 21:07:54	isapgswell	we have to focus on QubesOS, PureOS and Tails
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2021-06-07 21:08:41	rascul	no, we don't
2021-06-07 21:08:49	rascul	but you're welcome to
2021-06-07 21:09:50	isapgswell	let google, mikrotik and free software foundation do the job
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2021-06-07 21:10:25	isapgswell	rascul you are too
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2021-06-07 21:11:40	rascul	sure, but i won't
2021-06-07 21:12:28	isapgswell	moba's triple kill: google, mikrotik and free software foundation
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2021-06-07 21:22:29	isapgswell	smp should work to instruction set and threading to DATA
2021-06-07 21:23:38	isapgswell	thus we make symetric/assymetric less painfull
2021-06-07 21:23:41	rascul	i feel like you might need someone to translate for you
2021-06-07 21:24:09	pnbeast	rascul, do you think it's human?
2021-06-07 21:24:17	rascul	i try not to think
2021-06-07 21:24:35	pnbeast	That's *my* job, here.  Stay away from it.
2021-06-07 21:24:51	isapgswell	LOL
2021-06-07 21:24:53	rascul	thinking is your job?
2021-06-07 21:25:01	isapgswell	may it be?
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2021-06-07 21:25:08	rascul	i wouldn't want such a jobn
2021-06-07 21:25:12	rascul	or even such a job
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2021-06-07 21:25:58	Nickwiz	hah, alarm-clock-applet 712.6 MiB RAM
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2021-06-07 21:26:43	pnbeast	[R], you're a jobn.
2021-06-07 21:26:57	rascul	[R] is a big jobn
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2021-06-07 21:30:30	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-07 21:30:33	WiseSon	;)
2021-06-07 21:30:38	jim	hi
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2021-06-07 21:52:35	[R]	i'm a yuge jobn
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2021-06-07 22:08:31	gigasu_shida	hi wiseson
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2021-06-07 22:33:36	isapgswell	maybe one physical core + one core logical in pair dedicated to instruction set and exclusivelly task threading dedidated to DATA_ACCESS
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2021-06-07 22:35:37	isapgswell	i would like to use some vram and streamprocessors to scalle userland apps
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2021-06-07 22:37:55	isapgswell	or maybe just a faster swap
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2021-06-07 22:39:08	rascul	zswap?
2021-06-07 22:40:06	[R]	zee swap
2021-06-07 22:41:32	isapgswell	yes, but running at video memory clock speed
2021-06-07 22:42:29	isapgswell	cpu could use a portion of unused vram to caching
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2021-06-07 22:43:53	isapgswell	and keep gpu graphics processor on standby
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2021-06-07 22:47:49	ayecee	you figure you're using swap that vigorously that that would make a difference
2021-06-07 22:48:17	[R]	ayecee: that sounds innapropriate... vigorously using swap
2021-06-07 22:48:45	ayecee	anything goes as long as the server closet door is closed
2021-06-07 22:50:10	isapgswell	i think virtualization is like mma(mix martial art) or multiverse scenario and sometimes waiting is not the way
2021-06-07 22:50:32	[R]	if a server is vigorously using swap, and no one is there to see it... did it really happen?
2021-06-07 22:50:42	 *	rascul swaps [R]'s servers
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2021-06-07 22:51:06	ayecee	yes indeed, underwear elastic velour sprinkles multiverse!
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2021-06-07 22:51:32	isapgswell	virtualization server i believe it would be a good manner
2021-06-07 22:51:52	ayecee	i think we can safely discount that
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2021-06-07 22:52:53	isapgswell	virtualization server needs a lot throughtput
2021-06-07 22:53:12	isapgswell	less idle time
2021-06-07 22:53:25	ayecee	so does yer brain
2021-06-07 22:53:34	isapgswell	scallable performance
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2021-06-07 22:53:56	isapgswell	scallable energy/performace
2021-06-07 22:54:52	billy1	does linux have malware?
2021-06-07 22:55:15	isapgswell	tell system76 team
2021-06-07 22:55:32	isapgswell	billy1 if you disable plug and play maybe
2021-06-07 22:55:35	ayecee	needs more buzzwords to achieve supersymmetric synergy
2021-06-07 22:55:46	[R]	billy1: of course, why wouldn't it
2021-06-07 22:56:08	ayecee	[R]: come on now, criminals don't use linux!
2021-06-07 22:57:37	ayecee	sounded funnier in my head
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2021-06-07 22:58:23	[R]	lol
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2021-06-08 00:13:50	isapgswell	please
2021-06-08 00:14:02	isapgswell	i want to exclude USER INPUT IRQ  EVENT from smp and thread
2021-06-08 00:14:03	isapgswell	start/stop event needs quickly ininterrupt processing
2021-06-08 00:14:21	isapgswell	for me
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2021-06-08 00:22:34	isapgswell	i need to skip mice/keyboard from smp and threading processing and increase it's priority
2021-06-08 00:22:35	isapgswell	is that possible???
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2021-06-08 00:27:02	rascul	some of what you want might be possible with some kernel hacking but it's almost like you're just taking a bunch of words and shoving them together and sometimes they accidentally make sense
2021-06-08 00:27:18	rascul	but just sometimes
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2021-06-08 00:30:00	phanes	isapgswell, if you're using a distro that hasn't mutilated its kernel you could try to a menuconfig and playing with the CONFIG_HZ value
2021-06-08 00:30:10	phanes	and then recompiling
2021-06-08 00:30:25	phanes	im still honestly not sure why that value hasn't been made runtime configurable
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2021-06-08 00:31:58	isapgswell	phanes yes, maybe via sysctl
2021-06-08 00:33:06	isapgswell	phanes i would like to configure my posix pthread via sysctl too, respecting hardware limitations off course
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2021-06-08 00:34:48	isapgswell	phanes did you imagine, intel/amd pthread/streamprocessors fusion?
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2021-06-08 00:35:28	phanes	meh
2021-06-08 00:35:47	phanes	i just want my compositor to work better
2021-06-08 00:36:08	phanes	and for someone to make a pure C fork of i3-wm
2021-06-08 00:36:19	isapgswell	phanes we still lack for streamprocessors utility, normal use
2021-06-08 00:36:33	isapgswell	phanes maybe browsers is a good start testing
2021-06-08 00:36:44	isapgswell	phanes webgl
2021-06-08 00:36:48	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	is fusion still a thing?
2021-06-08 00:36:58	phanes	in what context
2021-06-08 00:37:17	phanes	like compiz-fusion?
2021-06-08 00:37:25	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	yeah **
2021-06-08 00:37:34	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	^^*
2021-06-08 00:38:01	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	i spose with wayland...
2021-06-08 00:38:01	phanes	yeah its still a thing
2021-06-08 00:38:06	D4RKR4Z0R-Z	nice
2021-06-08 00:38:12	phanes	i dont use wayland
2021-06-08 00:38:13	isapgswell	phanes browsers webgl gaming would be a good thing to do or local streming windows gaming on linux
2021-06-08 00:38:42	phanes	or if windows just gave up on desktops and let linux be a thing
2021-06-08 00:38:49	isapgswell	yes
2021-06-08 00:39:32	isapgswell	i think webgl+streamprocessors integrated into browsers is the new wave
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2021-06-08 00:39:52	phanes	nah you can't build new layers on old layers
2021-06-08 00:39:57	phanes	need an HTTP3 or HTTP4 first
2021-06-08 00:40:04	phanes	with that model in mind
2021-06-08 00:40:07	phanes	to be able to really do it
2021-06-08 00:40:27	phanes	maybe even a new TCP
2021-06-08 00:41:03	isapgswell	maybe
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2021-06-08 00:41:58	isapgswell	webgl is graphical stack and streamprocessors is local infra
2021-06-08 00:41:59	isapgswell	i dont think we need communication changes
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2021-06-08 00:43:43	isapgswell	search on youtube:
2021-06-08 00:43:43	isapgswell	Unreal Engine 4 on Web Browser is AMAZING!
2021-06-08 00:44:28	isapgswell	gog (good old games) should use webgl
2021-06-08 00:46:00	isapgswell	and it is easier to make ports between platforms
2021-06-08 00:46:33	jan6	lolwut
2021-06-08 00:47:57	isapgswell	android apps should run via browsers
2021-06-08 00:48:26	isapgswell	dont like the idea of rewriting everthing
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2021-06-08 00:49:49	phanes	yeah i just dont see it having room to grow unless its established on a new http standard and maybe even a new tcp standard
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2021-06-08 00:49:54	isapgswell	we have browser's plugins, why not integration with android apps?
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2021-06-08 00:50:33	isapgswell	phanes yes taking advantage of new processing technologies
2021-06-08 00:50:50	isapgswell	phanes and effiency
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2021-06-08 00:52:34	isapgswell	android for browsers webapps
2021-06-08 00:52:57	isapgswell	a new layer of compatibility
2021-06-08 00:53:02	isapgswell	like you said
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2021-06-08 00:59:11	Intelo	 What "basic"  gaurd software do I need to install for a public facing vps? fail2ban might be one?
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2021-06-08 01:10:55	jim	Intelo, look into ossec (it does similar things as fail2ban)
2021-06-08 01:12:20	Intelo	jim: whats the package for ubuntu?
2021-06-08 01:12:28	jim	dunno
2021-06-08 01:15:05	jim	their community is at slack@ossec.net
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2021-06-08 01:34:38	isapgswell	another aplicable of quantum computing is balancer and estimated regarding energy eficient
2021-06-08 01:34:38	isapgswell	one physical core can "help" one another in pair,  one core threaded(logical)
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2021-06-08 01:35:45	isapgswell	apple is doing that with m1 arch
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2021-06-08 01:37:56	jim	Intelo, go to https://www.ossec.net and then scroll down to community, you'll see a link to join their slack channel
2021-06-08 01:40:21	isapgswell	but if we treat all thing as assembler does
2021-06-08 01:40:21	isapgswell	instruction set = physical and free logical cores
2021-06-08 01:40:22	isapgswell	data = logical cores and posix phtread(free ram memory is the horizon)
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2021-06-08 01:41:26	kiwichap	hello I am using oracle linux when I sign in it allows me but when I try to change my password or do other things I run into password issues
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2021-06-08 01:43:30	kiwichap	for example I need to set a password for administrator but then it says I entered the wrong password
2021-06-08 01:43:35	kiwichap	and I don't know what the issue
2021-06-08 01:45:29	isapgswell	all we need is microkernel virtualization server and leave linux does what monolith has to do
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2021-06-08 01:46:34	isapgswell	QubesOS should switch to microkernel high energy efficient manner
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2021-06-08 01:46:45	essiambre	kiwichap: when u signin what user u using
2021-06-08 01:47:06	DLange	you not u
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2021-06-08 01:47:59	essiambre	kiwichap how you sign in
2021-06-08 01:48:14	isapgswell	sorry tanembaum :P
2021-06-08 01:48:37	essiambre	isapgswell his name is tannenbaum
2021-06-08 01:48:50	isapgswell	lol just kidding
2021-06-08 01:49:26	Intelo	jim: thanks
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2021-06-08 01:49:32	kiwichap	I use kiwichap
2021-06-08 01:49:37	isapgswell	microkernel deals with energy efficient
2021-06-08 01:49:42	kiwichap	then I sign in it's a bit weird
2021-06-08 01:49:52	essiambre	weird how
2021-06-08 01:50:05	kiwichap	because I never created an administrator account
2021-06-08 01:50:05	isapgswell	and like freebsd concept
2021-06-08 01:50:06	isapgswell	"Power to serve"
2021-06-08 01:50:16	kiwichap	and I don't know how to add myself to the sudoers list
2021-06-08 01:50:25	essiambre	have to be root
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2021-06-08 01:50:55	kiwichap	but I didn't create a root account with installation
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2021-06-08 01:51:16	essiambre	you never gave root a password
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2021-06-08 01:52:17	kiwichap	correct
2021-06-08 01:52:25	kiwichap	I never gave root a password
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2021-06-08 01:52:38	essiambre	so when you su what does it say
2021-06-08 01:53:11	kiwichap	it asks me a password
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2021-06-08 01:54:14	essiambre	that what you calling weird
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2021-06-08 01:55:21	essiambre	k not gonna spend all night playing 20 questions
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2021-06-08 01:56:03	kiwichap	thank you essiambre
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2021-06-08 01:56:34	isapgswell	anbox project should become a background service to serve browsers android apps presentation interdata
2021-06-08 01:56:56	kiwichap	there's a freebsd conference this week isapgswell you should register
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2021-06-08 01:57:31	isapgswell	kiwichap thank you
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2021-06-08 01:59:42	kiwichap	you're welcome
2021-06-08 01:59:48	kiwichap	it should be a lot of fun
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2021-06-08 02:00:52	isapgswell	kiwichap yep, i'll be present
2021-06-08 02:01:03	isapgswell	kiwichap from virtual
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2021-06-08 02:05:20	kiwichap	sounds good will see you there
2021-06-08 02:05:35	isapgswell	in the mixed scenario and integrated gpu, what about a new mac permission on linux? like rwxv
2021-06-08 02:05:35	isapgswell	v means graphical user program, x client or wayland client intensive accelerated streamlines
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2021-06-08 02:06:34	isapgswell	v means igpu and V means dedicated gpu
2021-06-08 02:07:08	rindolf	isapgswell: "mac permission"?
2021-06-08 02:07:25	isapgswell	rindolf yes, mandatory access control
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2021-06-08 02:08:16	isapgswell	rindolf rwx is a type of access control called mac(mandatory access control)
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2021-06-08 02:08:29	rindolf	isapgswell: ah, thanks
2021-06-08 02:08:44	isapgswell	rindolf welcome
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2021-06-08 02:09:25	isapgswell	think about people:
2021-06-08 02:09:25	isapgswell	v means igpu and V means dedicated gpu
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2021-06-08 02:11:48	isapgswell	kiwichap will be like black hat conference i guess
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2021-06-08 02:12:28	isapgswell	kiwichap cellphone airplane mode
2021-06-08 02:12:49	kiwichap	sounds really good
2021-06-08 02:13:16	isapgswell	kiwichap yes
2021-06-08 02:13:16	isapgswell	now i go bed
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2021-06-08 02:13:22	isapgswell	kiwichap bye
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2021-06-08 02:14:38	kiwichap	good night isapgswell later
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2021-06-08 04:57:26	asenm	Hello, folks! I'm looking for something like phpmyadmin/pgadmin, but for MongoDB any ideas?
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2021-06-08 05:27:24	Luther	hello, friends. please take a look at this post.
2021-06-08 05:27:25	Luther	https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67884805/how-to-run-daemon-in-centos-container-which-can-not-use-systemctl-nor-service
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2021-06-08 05:31:16	koollman	Luther: wat is the point of chronyd in a container ?
2021-06-08 05:31:29	koollman	host time is used
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2021-06-08 05:35:51	Luther	I want use chrony as NTP client to sync time
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2021-06-08 05:38:45	jim	Luther, which dist are you running?
2021-06-08 05:39:31	Luther	CentOS Linux release 8.2.2004 (Core) container
2021-06-08 05:40:19	jim	oh ok, dunno much about that dist... I know at least one dist that has a bot you can find out package names from
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2021-06-08 05:41:06	jim	I wonder if its pkg mgr has a search function
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2021-06-08 05:45:10	hexnewbie	Luther: Setting the system clock is a privileged operation, can't do it in an unprivileged container, or unprivileged anything
2021-06-08 05:46:39	hexnewbie	Luther: In the unlikely event that the host/system clock is incorrect, contact the administrator/provider of the host about the issue (possibly asking them to run an NTP client outside of the container)
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2021-06-08 05:48:32	Luther	do you mean change the host's clock, the container will change too?
2021-06-08 05:48:43	Luther	I find the both are not same
2021-06-08 05:48:46	hexnewbie	Luther: There is no container clock.
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2021-06-08 05:49:56	hexnewbie	OK, I take that back, there is a time namespace, but that means someone made an effort to make the clocks different, i.e. the issue should be investigated at that point
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2021-06-08 05:50:31	hexnewbie	Luther: Are the clock different in multiple of an hour (or half an hour)?
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2021-06-08 05:55:36	hexnewbie	(I suspect that the namespaced realtime clock still uses the same real time clock and is just offset -- probably with the offsets in /proc/$pid/timens_offsets -- , but that's an implementation detail, results should be the same regardless of it, so ‘no container clock’ may still be correct in a way; I'd expect adjtimex out of the container will not affect the offsets, thus affect the rtc inside)
2021-06-08 05:55:43	Luther	host: 2021-06-08 Tue 05:55:07 EDT
2021-06-08 05:55:44	Luther	contianer: Tue Jun  8 09:55:22 UTC 2021
2021-06-08 05:55:47	Luther	hexnewbie,
2021-06-08 05:55:54	hexnewbie	Luther: That's the same time.
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2021-06-08 05:56:23	Luther	oh
2021-06-08 05:56:24	hexnewbie	Luther: You need to adjust the container time zone, see a guide on CentOS, or make it so the host /etc/localtime is copied to the container
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2021-06-08 05:57:44	Luther	thanks hexnewbie , I know how to do it now
2021-06-08 05:57:50	Luther	thank you very much
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2021-06-08 06:06:15	triceratux	6цу5 |м 5тцск оп а масн|пе ш|тн потн|п6 вцт а гц55|ап кеувоагб & |т5 бг|ч|п6 ме ав5о1цте1у пцт5. шнат 5ноц1б | бо ?
2021-06-08 06:06:28	crabmelt	y4umb pycckuu~ ?
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2021-06-08 06:07:38	triceratux	чегу фцппу :)
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2021-06-08 06:20:11	SofS	setxkbmap?
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2021-06-08 06:42:37	Benzi-Junior	hey, I'm trying to apply a patch to the kernel using the patch command but it apears to just hang whenever I run it
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2021-06-08 06:46:59	djph	Benzi-Junior: what's the full command you're using?
2021-06-08 06:47:53	Benzi-Junior	djph, I figured it out, I needed to read the file in with <
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2021-06-08 06:48:01	Benzi-Junior	or use -i I guess
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2021-06-08 06:49:55	djph	Benzi-Junior: ah :) yeah, syntax matters :D
2021-06-08 06:50:03	Benzi-Junior	is the location of the patch file relevant ?
2021-06-08 06:51:40	Benzi-Junior	just wondering since patch couldn't figure out which file to patch and I literally just typed the last line it read from input
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2021-06-08 06:53:07	Benzi-Junior	i.e. drivers/acpi/ec.c
2021-06-08 06:56:18	kish`	triceratux, you expect us to believe that is the output of writing on a russian keyboard? lo
2021-06-08 06:56:20	kish`	lol
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2021-06-08 06:57:59	Benzi-Junior	triceratux, what do you mean stuck ?
2021-06-08 06:58:50	Benzi-Junior	have you tried setxkbmap ?
2021-06-08 06:59:22	kish`	Benzi-Junior, most likely they were trolling us
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2021-06-08 08:53:45	sav	where am I
2021-06-08 08:54:21	DLange	Internet
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2021-06-08 08:55:26	sav	looks nice
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2021-06-08 09:04:57	Aryan	Hi
2021-06-08 09:05:33	Aryan	how can I make less to jump to a specific line number?
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2021-06-08 09:07:53	StarOnD	Hello everyone, how can I tell `groff` that an option in a man page that I am creating is MANDATORY. I have seen .OP option in .SY but those seem to be optional
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2021-06-08 09:12:08	triceratux	Aryan: replace it with most ?
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2021-06-08 09:14:25	StarOnD	I am reading this ----> https://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man7/groff_man_style.7.html#Synopsis
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2021-06-08 09:17:04	oxek	StarOnD: yes
2021-06-08 09:17:14	oxek	if you want to go to line 33, you press '33g'
2021-06-08 09:17:50	oxek	sorry, that was for Aryan
2021-06-08 09:18:11	StarOnD	oxek, how do I tell Synopsis that an argument is mandatory ?
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2021-06-08 09:22:02	oxek	StarOnD: I accidentally autocompleted you instead of Aryan, I don't know the answer to your question
2021-06-08 09:22:33	StarOnD	oxek, no problem
2021-06-08 09:23:00	StarOnD	oxek I think I found the answer, if it is mandatory it is NOT an option and won't be listed in .OP in synopsis
2021-06-08 09:23:16	StarOnD	:-)
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2021-06-08 09:25:22	Aryan	oxek, thanks
2021-06-08 09:26:01	kerframil	also, mandatory arguments are not supposed to be surrounded by square brackets, per man-pages(7) - another indicator that .OP isn't the right choice.
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2021-06-08 09:27:57	StarOnD	kerframil, many thanks
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2021-06-08 09:28:19	StarOnD	kerframil, < > is that the right  choice for mandatory arguments?
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2021-06-08 09:29:57	kerframil	StarOnD: no. they should be as-is. replaceable text should be in italics (for example, the file in "-f file"). it's explained by man-pages(7).
2021-06-08 09:30:19	StarOnD	kerframil, many thanks
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2021-06-08 09:30:33	slayne	Man, I can't get my head around docker -_-
2021-06-08 09:32:17	kerframil	StarOnD: actually, it says boldface should be used for "as-is" text. as far as I can tell, the rules is not commonly observed, though. in any case, I'm sure that they should be not be decorated with additional symbols.
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2021-06-08 09:35:25	StarOnD	kerframil, thanks again
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2021-06-08 09:35:38	StarOnD	kerframil, any examples you can think of ?
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2021-06-08 09:39:16	kerframil	StarOnD: hmm. perhaps the programs provided by coreutils. some of them can be invoked in ways that render at least one option as being mandatory. shuf(1) is a random example I can think of off-hand.
2021-06-08 09:39:54	StarOnD	kerframil, many thanks
2021-06-08 09:40:51	kerframil	although, GNU have a prickly relationship with the concept of man pages. I'm honestly not sure that they'd be a perfect example. still, how does the old saying go ... when in rome, do as the romans do.
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2021-06-08 09:42:08	StarOnD	ok
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2021-06-08 09:44:26	isapgswell	i need linux working like this:
2021-06-08 09:44:26	isapgswell	1 phisical core + 1 logical core in pair simetric for instruction set and not busy logical cores + posix pthread in pair assimetric both to do assynchronous/synchronous throughtput
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2021-06-08 09:44:54	isapgswell	for data
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2021-06-08 09:49:13	isapgswell	ubuntu desktop is more synchronous than ubuntu server
2021-06-08 09:49:34	isapgswell	ubuntu server is assynchornous
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2021-06-08 10:35:28	donofrio	for java processes what switch enables java_core?
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2021-06-08 11:29:29	donofrio	is there a "file" switch that will return the internal name inside a file?
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2021-06-08 11:34:07	donofrio	like if I head -n 5 filename I see inside the file the filename but have yet to find switch that does the same for the "file" command...
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2021-06-08 11:45:59	sena	donofrio: what do you mean "the internal name inside a file" ?
2021-06-08 11:46:20	sena	"head -n 5 filename" just returns the first 5 lines of the file content
2021-06-08 11:46:21	kurahaupo	donofrio: files don't have their names "inside". They don't even necessarily have exactly one name.
2021-06-08 11:47:16	kurahaupo	donofrio: Some commands will simply print each filename argument before processing it.
2021-06-08 11:47:49	kerframil	it's conceivable that some formats will have a header that incorporates some sort of name, though.
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2021-06-08 11:48:19	donofrio	when I did head -n 5 /usr/bin/java it showed me the name on the 5th line if I recall
2021-06-08 11:48:21	kurahaupo	donofrio: On my system, any file can have anywhere from 0 to 65000 names
2021-06-08 11:48:51	kurahaupo	donofrio: That's because it's a text file and that text is inside it
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2021-06-08 11:50:03	sena	donofrio: pure chance, that 5th line being the file name
2021-06-08 11:50:04	kurahaupo	(yes I actually had to fix a bug because a program failed with EMFILE at 65001 hard links)
2021-06-08 11:50:23	donofrio	ok maybe file not the right command to run - i should have asked "What command do I run to tell me the file details and hopefully the filename?"
2021-06-08 11:50:46	sena	donofrio: as kurahaupo was saying, a file doesn't even have a filename, each file has an inode, and the filesystem will link a file name to that inode
2021-06-08 11:50:48	kerframil	if you run file(1), you already know the filename, surely.
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2021-06-08 11:50:53	kurahaupo	donofrio: "echo filename" ? 😋
2021-06-08 11:50:58	donofrio	:P
2021-06-08 11:51:17	sena	donofrio: you can create hardlinks which are additional names for the same inode/file
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2021-06-08 11:51:57	sena	donofrio: so the file name is not a property of the file/data, but links to it
2021-06-08 11:52:07	kurahaupo	When you have multiple names for File, none of them is "the real one"; all of them are equally real.
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2021-06-08 11:53:22	kurahaupo	That's easily tested by removing some of the names. Nothing bad happens when you remove the first name that the file had, as long as at least one other name remains
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2021-06-08 11:53:55	kurahaupo	donofrio: So what do you really want to find out about the file?
2021-06-08 11:54:34	donofrio	well say the java binary was copied and the copy was called "fred" how would I find out the source filename?
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2021-06-08 11:55:05	kurahaupo	Dunno much about Java, but "strings" might help
2021-06-08 11:55:51	kurahaupo	Really that depends on your javac; there's no particular convention for all file types
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2021-06-08 11:56:30	sena	donofrio: you would not know that. a copy is a copy and the "original" file name is not kept by the file system (ext4, etc.). unless that was saved somehow inside the file
2021-06-08 11:56:51	sena	you would need to update inside the file if the file was moved/renamed
2021-06-08 11:57:59	kurahaupo	donofrio: Given that Java insists that source filenames must match the class names, and the class names will be in the file, it should be fairly simple to figure it out. However I doubt you'll find anything to tell you the full path to any source file
2021-06-08 11:58:06	donofrio	ah ok....the game is still a foot it seems
2021-06-08 11:58:37	kurahaupo	And their idea of "match" is a bit complicated
2021-06-08 11:59:16	kurahaupo	I would probably be looking for a Java decompiler
2021-06-08 11:59:25	sena	donofrio: what are you trying to achieve exactly?
2021-06-08 12:00:04	donofrio	I have a list of binary files that all have the exact same size so I am guessing they are the same file and wanted to know what they were copied from
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2021-06-08 12:00:30	kurahaupo	donofrio: cmp file1 file2
2021-06-08 12:01:29	ice99	is there a cmd to show which DNS server being used, instead of checking /etc/resolv.conf?
2021-06-08 12:01:46	kurahaupo	You might get a hint by looking for the file with the oldest ctime among each set with identical contents, but really, why does it matter which was "the original"?
2021-06-08 12:01:50	donofrio	ok new question what is the switch/.conf needed to allow a dump of a java process (aka java.opt?)
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2021-06-08 12:02:51	kurahaupo	donofrio: Have you tried asking in ##Java or similar? Because this really isn't a Linux question
2021-06-08 12:03:02	donofrio	understood.
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2021-06-08 12:03:59	kurahaupo	You might also find people who can answer on oftc or libera
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2021-06-08 12:04:10	sena	ice99: that's pretty much it
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2021-06-08 12:05:49	kurahaupo	ice99: considering that resolv.conf is where the resolver stub library looks to get that information, why would you want to use a less reliable method?
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2021-06-08 12:10:07	ice9	how to set static DNS server in ubuntu 21.04 permanently?
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2021-06-08 12:11:26	kerframil	ice9: are you using a network manager such as NetworkManager?
2021-06-08 12:11:31	ice9	kerframil, yes
2021-06-08 12:12:12	kerframil	ice9: as concerns NetworkManager, you can add dns=none to the [main] section of its config file. it will then leave your configured resolvers alone.
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2021-06-08 12:12:50	kerframil	(after being restarted, at least)
2021-06-08 12:13:10	ice9	kerframil, you mean it will leave the configured resolvers in /etc/resolv.conf?
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2021-06-08 12:13:14	kerframil	ice9: yes.
2021-06-08 12:15:05	Dr_Coke	Hi people
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2021-06-08 12:15:38	ice99	kerframil, i tried that but after restarting NetworkManager, it still overwrites /etc/resolv.conf
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2021-06-08 12:16:54	kerframil	ice99: I can assure you that it works, as long as NetworkManager is the only thing you're using for network management. are you sure the config file was adjusted correctly? also, maybe it wrote out resolv.conf just once while it was shutting down.
2021-06-08 12:17:10	kerframil	that is, maybe it was a one-off.
2021-06-08 12:17:10	Dr_Coke	Hi jim
2021-06-08 12:17:21	Dr_Coke	Hi triceratux
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2021-06-08 12:18:06	kerframil	ice99: if all else fails, you could make resolv.conf immutable with chattr. I found dns=none to be reliable, though.
2021-06-08 12:19:22	ice99	kerframil, chattr: Operation not supported while reading flags on /etc/resolv.conf
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2021-06-08 12:19:50	kerframil	ice99: which filesystem is that?
2021-06-08 12:19:56	ice99	kerframil, ext4
2021-06-08 12:20:42	kerframil	become root.
2021-06-08 12:21:17	ice99	kerframil, i'm root already
2021-06-08 12:21:44	kerframil	hmm. then I do not understand.
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2021-06-08 12:22:37	kerframil	chattr +i should work fine, normally.
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2021-06-08 12:25:21	kerframil	ice99: oh, wait. is /etc/resolv.conf currently a symlink?
2021-06-08 12:25:29	ice99	kerframil, it is
2021-06-08 12:25:35	ice99	should i remove it?
2021-06-08 12:25:39	kerframil	ice99: get rid of it, make it a normal file, then chattr should work fine, yes.
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2021-06-08 12:27:09	kerframil	also, that might be why dns=none didn't appear to work, initially. you should take the file into your own hands rather than it being a link to something that some other tool might have produced.
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2021-06-08 12:34:43	ayecee	or, like, configure that tool so it does what you want
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2021-06-08 12:35:07	ayecee	instead of fixing it with bandaids and crazy glue
2021-06-08 12:35:52	kerframil	like, which I explained how do before you came thundering in.
2021-06-08 12:36:49	kerframil	do you have something substantive to add to the instructions provided, as concerns impeding NetworkManager from modifying resolv.conf? no? ok then.
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2021-06-08 12:38:57	ayecee	only that you can configure static dns in networkmanager.
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2021-06-08 12:39:37	ayecee	instead of preventing networkmanager from modifying the file
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2021-06-08 12:40:08	ayecee	so like the opposite of what you were going for with "dns=none"
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2021-06-08 12:43:40	TomyWork	is there some command line way to check if my computer's clock is correct? basically what https://time.is does, just at the command line
2021-06-08 12:43:57	TomyWork	this is for a headless server
2021-06-08 12:44:19	ayecee	most people would use an ntp server like ntpd or chrony for that
2021-06-08 12:44:45	TomyWork	to check or to synchronize?
2021-06-08 12:44:49	kerframil	ayecee: your approach is more complicated (it requires more directives, potentially spanning multiple sections). but it doesn't matter, because you weren't going to explain anyway. just being a cocky hit-and-run contrarian as usual, without really helping.
2021-06-08 12:44:51	TomyWork	cause i just wanna check, not synchronize
2021-06-08 12:44:53	ayecee	TomyWork: both
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2021-06-08 12:45:16	ayecee	kerframil: you're right, i never help anyone here.
2021-06-08 12:46:21	ayecee	but also chattr +i resolv.conf is a bandaid.
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2021-06-08 12:47:20	TomyWork	did not know that existed
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2021-06-08 12:47:36	TomyWork	glueing a file in place sounds useful in certain situations
2021-06-08 12:47:43	peetaur	TomyWork: is ntpd already running? then check with `ntpq -nc pe`
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2021-06-08 12:48:27	ayecee	for resolv.conf, it's useful if you don't know what's changing it and either don't have the time or can't be arsed to find out.
2021-06-08 12:48:45	koollman	echo $(curl -s --head http://google.com | grep ^Date: | sed 's/Date: //g'); LC_ALL=C date -u  ... ok, I do not recommend that, but hey ... it could work ;)
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2021-06-08 12:49:42	koollman	oh, even better: LC_ALL=C date -u -d "$(curl -s --head http://google.com | grep ^Date: | sed 's/Date: //g')"; LC_ALL=C date -u
2021-06-08 12:49:48	ayecee	TomyWork: the ntpdate program can be used to check and/or set too, if you want a one-shot program instead of a daemon.
2021-06-08 12:50:01	koollman	(you can change format as you which, then :) )
2021-06-08 12:50:15	TomyWork	there is some form of ntp, but verifying that using itself is kinda circular, no? :)
2021-06-08 12:50:22	koollman	you could probably display as a timestamp
2021-06-08 12:50:56	ayecee	well i mean the webserver you're connecting to also uses ntp
2021-06-08 12:51:09	koollman	maybe not the same reference clock
2021-06-08 12:51:31	ayecee	maybe not
2021-06-08 12:51:34	TomyWork	i wanna appeal to a higher authority to support my claim that this one server has the correct time and if there's clock skew between it and some other server in the same net, then it's the other server's fault
2021-06-08 12:51:56	koollman	TomyWork: why not just setup ntp ?
2021-06-08 12:52:02	TomyWork	there is ntp set up
2021-06-08 12:52:06	ayecee	TomyWork: that is kind of what ntp does
2021-06-08 12:52:31	koollman	oh. then ... you could check something rather different. how far from other ntp servers the local server is
2021-06-08 12:52:34	TomyWork	koollman, but the upstream is not under my control, but under the control of the people who messed up the clock of the other server
2021-06-08 12:52:43	koollman	ntpq -pn
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2021-06-08 12:52:52	ayecee	TomyWork: so use ntpdate against a different ntp server
2021-06-08 12:52:53	peetaur	TomyWork: if I want a script to compare 2 machines, I find the debian `rdate -anp $server` works the best....but rdate or that version isn't available on all distros
2021-06-08 12:53:03	koollman	TomyWork: use more ntp servers then
2021-06-08 12:53:33	peetaur	rdate talks to a remote machine and tells you the offset relative to the local machine
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2021-06-08 12:54:32	koollman	remote=$(date -d "$(curl -s --head http://google.com | grep ^Date: | sed 's/Date: //g')" +%s); local=$(date +%s)
2021-06-08 12:54:39	koollman	echo offset: $((remote-local))
2021-06-08 12:54:42	koollman	there. nice check :)
2021-06-08 12:55:10	koollman	if it's higher than 1, you know something is probably wrong
2021-06-08 12:55:14	peetaur	and it is precise enough that I wrote a bash script that syncs time better than ntpd (ntpq agrees)
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2021-06-08 12:55:18	koollman	(or lower than -1)
2021-06-08 12:55:30	peetaur	curl can tell you the time, but it's not comparing to the remote properly... you have to calculate for latency
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2021-06-08 12:55:59	koollman	peetaur: I'm not giving that to make acurate measurement. either ntp is working or it is not
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2021-06-08 12:56:01	peetaur	and also I think he wants to target a specific machine / 2 machines, not google ...and using wan adds more error
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2021-06-08 12:56:27	koollman	it can be expanded to any webserver, obviously (although the format must be something date -d understands)
2021-06-08 12:56:27	peetaur	but if he's asking a question that can't be solved by just running `date` on 2 machines, I think he is looking for more
2021-06-08 12:56:55	ayecee	kerframil: my bad. i misunderstood what dns=none does. it is indeed supposed to disable resolv.conf updates, although there are apparently some configurations where it still does update the file.
2021-06-08 12:56:55	koollman	well, it's a scriptable version and can find large offsets
2021-06-08 12:57:00	peetaur	eg.     ssh machine1 date +%s.%N & ssh machine2 date +%s.%N
2021-06-08 12:57:24	TomyWork	hmm, firewall blocks all ntp other than to this particular server...
2021-06-08 12:57:38	TomyWork	well, guess the highest available authority is that ntp server, then
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2021-06-08 12:58:28	koollman	I remember something getting date/time from tls setups, too. but I don't remember how it worked or the name
2021-06-08 12:58:55	koollman	https://github.com/ioerror/tlsdate ah. probably that one
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2021-06-08 12:59:48	ayecee	TomyWork: nice in a way. like, what matters is the sync between those local servers, and using different external time sources could break that.
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2021-06-08 13:12:18	TomyWork	i figured i could just curl some external service and use the Date header
2021-06-08 13:12:25	TomyWork	so that's what I did
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2021-06-08 13:12:53	TomyWork	also works nicely for that other server, since it happens to have a web server running on it
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2021-06-08 13:13:00	ayecee	handy
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2021-06-08 13:15:30	kerframil	TomyWork: you could try NTS perhaps? it uses TCP over a different port. chrony supports it.
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2021-06-08 13:18:14	TomyWork	kerframil, curl is fine
2021-06-08 13:18:20	TomyWork	i dont need sub-second accuracy
2021-06-08 13:18:31	TomyWork	the clock skew is like 45s
2021-06-08 13:18:42	ayecee	yikes
2021-06-08 13:19:56	TomyWork	yeah i phrased it like "check if the NTP you set up [yeah, right] is still working"
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2021-06-08 13:21:54	TomyWork	anyway, ~~stirred up enough shit~~worked enough for the day, I'm out :)
2021-06-08 13:21:58	koollman	TomyWork: then my script example  should work nicely if you can do any web request :)
2021-06-08 13:22:31	TomyWork	oh you mentioned curl. yeah mine works similarly
2021-06-08 13:22:47	TomyWork	except i'm lazy and dont convert the dates or anything
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2021-06-08 13:23:12	TomyWork	i'm just grepping that out and running data before and after it
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2021-06-08 13:23:40	TomyWork	date -u; time curl -v --noproxy '*' http://server 2>&1 > /dev/null | grep Date; date -u
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2021-06-08 13:27:21	kerframil	koollman: sed -n 's/^Date: //p'
2021-06-08 13:27:44	koollman	true
2021-06-08 13:27:55	TomyWork	sed -n 's/.../.../p' ftw
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2021-06-08 13:32:20	koollman	or even sed -n 's/Date: //p;T;q' , if the output is very large (or some other variation like sed -n '/Date: /{s///p;q}')
2021-06-08 13:32:35	koollman	quits when it matches, so it doesn't need to read the rest of the input
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2021-06-08 14:10:36	Prestige	hey OLDsKooL
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2021-06-08 14:11:29	OLDsKooL	what IRC client would you recommend to use?
2021-06-08 14:11:42	Prestige	Would you like a gui or tui?
2021-06-08 14:12:14	OLDsKooL	tui :)
2021-06-08 14:12:17	ayecee	probably hexchat for gui, weechat or irssi for text
2021-06-08 14:12:36	Prestige	My vote is on weechat, I hear a lot of people enjoy irssi as well
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2021-06-08 14:13:05	akk	weechat is easier to use, irssi is maybe more powerful if you want to climb the steep learning curve
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2021-06-08 14:13:16	OLDsKooL	i will take a look but thank you for your suggestions :)
2021-06-08 14:13:26	essiambre	i like irssi a lot
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2021-06-08 14:16:28	rowbots	hi im trying to add an ipv6 ip addr add 2001:19f0:5401:1d9a:5400:3ff:fe61:fb0:f1c5:16ec:1805:7e77/64 dev ens3 OUTPUTS: Error: any valid prefix is expected rather than "2001:19f0:5401:1d9a:5400:3ff:fe61:fb0:f1c5:16ec:1805:7e77/64".
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2021-06-08 14:18:08	rascul	how did you come up with that ipv6 address?
2021-06-08 14:18:33	rascul	it's too long
2021-06-08 14:19:11	rowbots	aah thanks ill see why
2021-06-08 14:19:27	rowbots	generated from existing
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2021-06-08 14:21:09	rascul	2001:19f0:5401:1d9a:5400:3ff:fe61:fb0 is valid but you have the additional f1c5:16ec:1805:7e77 which makes it invalid
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2021-06-08 14:29:48	rowbots	rascul, i had forgot to cut end off. thank you!
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2021-06-08 14:47:32	OLDsKooL	what do y'all use as firewall?
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2021-06-08 14:55:02	rascul	the linux kernel
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2021-06-08 14:56:55	OLDsKooL	rascul: you mean iptables?
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2021-06-08 15:11:30	rascul	OLDsKooL no i mean the kernel
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2021-06-08 15:11:40	rascul	iptables is used to configure the kernel firewall stuff called netfilter
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2021-06-08 15:12:12	LeoNice81	Ok, how do I make the mouse pointers larger in Fedora 34, no one in #fedora wants to help me with that?
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2021-06-08 15:15:04	rascul	LeoNice81 kde has a configuration dialog that allows to adjust pointer size, outside of that i don't know anything about it
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2021-06-08 15:19:23	ivan_wagner	does any of you have hdpi (retina) laptop if so what DE would you recommend besides gnome and kde?
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2021-06-08 15:19:51	OLDsKooL	rascul: so you say that the linux kernel is a firewall?
2021-06-08 15:20:03	rascul	it isn't a firewall but provides a firewall
2021-06-08 15:20:16	rascul	or it isn't only a firewall
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2021-06-08 15:20:31	OLDsKooL	rascul: ok :)
2021-06-08 15:20:37	rascul	when you use iptables or ufw or firewalld all you're really doing is configuring the kernel firewall
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2021-06-08 15:21:30	OLDsKooL	rascul: that is good 2 know thank u
2021-06-08 15:21:44	OLDsKooL	ivan_wagner: maybe xfce?
2021-06-08 15:21:50	rascul	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netfilter
2021-06-08 15:21:52	OLDsKooL	or mate
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2021-06-08 15:23:51	ivan_wagner	ivan_wagner, I would pref personal experience. I currently hopped on Mate and when I like it's simplicity and whole bsd architecture the fonts feel to be somehow non sharp compared to previously used plasma(kde)
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2021-06-08 15:24:47	OLDsKooL	ivan_wagner: i use gnome 40 it is very fast and stable... btw i use arch :p
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2021-06-08 15:27:16	ivan_wagner	using words "stable" and "arch" in one text is either very brave or dumb.. speaking from own experience
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2021-06-08 15:29:57	Prestige	people misuse the term
2021-06-08 15:30:14	Prestige	arch isn't stable but it doesn't really ever break
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2021-06-08 15:30:58	OLDsKooL	i used arch for 3 months now with gnome as DE and it runs smootly
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2021-06-08 15:31:47	OLDsKooL	i know that arch is a rolling release distro but the maintainers do a good job
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2021-06-08 15:32:59	ivan_wagner	I was trying arch for 2 times (by time I mean 1 fresh installation). Of those 2 times 2 times I got some error regarding Network/NetworkManager all of those showed after update && reboot of the system
2021-06-08 15:33:34	ivan_wagner	Now imagine being stuck with a laptop with no internet access for finding help in a place with no internet access coz there was not a signal for mobile data access
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2021-06-08 15:33:55	Prestige	I mean that's a problem with any system if you don't know how to configure your network
2021-06-08 15:34:01	ivan_wagner	never will I ever install that on my main laptop
2021-06-08 15:34:57	ivan_wagner	Prestige, really? I mean common in a few weeks some update will fk your package => you can't configure network
2021-06-08 15:35:34	Prestige	I've been using arch for about 3 years on many machines and servers, and nothing has ever broken
2021-06-08 15:35:36	rascul	not breaking isn't the same as stable
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2021-06-08 15:35:50	Prestige	It sounds like you just weren't setting up your network correctly
2021-06-08 15:35:50	rascul	stable is not changing
2021-06-08 15:35:53	Prestige	^
2021-06-08 15:36:02	ivan_wagner	either way I pref to have stable distro or at least something like nixos
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2021-06-08 15:36:21	ivan_wagner	end of my blog, please subscribe for an another enrichfull content
2021-06-08 15:36:32	Prestige	That's fine - I like having new software that works
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2021-06-08 15:38:19	OLDsKooL	using 2 or more network managers at same time can also break things, had experience with that
2021-06-08 15:38:37	rascul	yes, if they're trying to manage the same interfaces
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2021-06-08 15:43:20	OLDsKooL	did you experience something unstable while using arch?
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2021-06-08 15:46:45	Prestige	arch is unstable
2021-06-08 15:46:55	Prestige	That's the nature of rolling release
2021-06-08 15:49:16	LeoNice81	Ok, how do I make the mouse pointers larger in Fedora 34, no one in #fedora wants to help me with that?
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2021-06-08 17:07:02	kerframil	it's a fair bet that the answer is yes.
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2021-06-08 17:08:44	Lutin	kerframil then the second question is... why ?
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2021-06-08 17:12:28	kerframil	because I need them.
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2021-06-08 17:14:21	kerframil	in my case, ucarp addresses, specific address:port tuples used for nginx sites and a few other things.
2021-06-08 17:14:49	kerframil	ucarp-managed, to put it more correctly.
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2021-06-08 17:17:43	kerframil	also, they're not aliases but secondary addresses. alias is outmoded jargon. they are secondary addresses, with optional label.s
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2021-06-08 17:24:51	Lutin	kerframil nah, same subnet, that's why
2021-06-08 17:25:49	kerframil	nah to what?
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2021-06-08 17:28:53	Lutin	kerframil sorry, same network, different subnet
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2021-06-08 17:41:08	ZorinOS	Hi there. I'm looking for a little bit of help... Did anybody save the tarball for Sophos Free AV v9.9?  Sophos took down the taball a while ago. But it should still work, if installed until 2023.
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2021-06-08 17:49:09	kerframil	ZorinOS: I offer no assurance as to its integrity but: https://ftp.cdom.de/Tools/Linux/Sophos_Anti-Virus_fuer_Linux/
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2021-06-08 17:50:41	bigfoot547	yeah I'm trusting that
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2021-06-08 17:54:01	ZorinOS	Oh WOW. Oh thank you SO much.... That's really grand of you... I am in New York City and via email I have been arguing with both Sophos and Firewalls.com about what's right for my laptop.  Firewalls.com wants to charge me over $200 for a one-year license of "Intercept X for Server withe EDR".
2021-06-08 17:54:54	kerframil	the problem is that they never published checksums, despite the occasional request to do so.
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2021-06-08 18:09:43	ZorinOS	I've been searching for a few days now. I think I saw checksums.  But if this has something janky in it I'm not too worried. I have my installation of Zorin 15.3 installed in a junker/scrap Dell Latitude E6400 from 2009. I can always take the laptop off the home network and wipe the SSD clean with my Windows 10 install USB stick.
2021-06-08 18:10:01	fuzzypixelz	hello, as you might know RockYou2021 happened and I was wondering how do sites like haveibeenpwned get their datasets? Everyone says it's public information yet it's not available anywhere, how come? I know it's dangerous to put a big Download button on Google's first search result for "how to hack", but sill?
2021-06-08 18:10:22	rascul	ZorinOS i would argue that you're likely not gaining anything with such tools on your laptop
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2021-06-08 18:11:41	rascul	fuzzypixelz pastebin.com has been used in the past to publish such datasets
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2021-06-08 18:12:06	ZorinOS	Leave my Linux laptop without endpoint protection??
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2021-06-08 18:13:35	rascul	yes, don't buy into the racket
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2021-06-08 18:14:23	ZorinOS	ClamAV with ClamTK as a frontend is good enough??
2021-06-08 18:14:42	rascul	clamav isn't going to help your laptop with much of anything either
2021-06-08 18:14:47	fuzzypixelz	rascul: isn't it a bit unreliable to sarch pastebin? through Google for example?
2021-06-08 18:15:06	rascul	fuzzypixelz yes, i don't have any specific examples but i've seen them on pastebin.com in the paste
2021-06-08 18:15:10	rascul	s/paste/past/
2021-06-08 18:15:42	rascul	ZorinOS generally this stuff is security theater and not protecting you from anything you might need protection against
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2021-06-08 18:17:40	ZorinOS	@rascul  I'm sorry to seem like such a noob. But the truth is that I am a noob. I've been out of the workforce for a hile and I was hoping that if I learn Linux, I'd be gaining so marketable skills.  Since I found a fully-functional E6400 in my apartment building's eWaste recycling bin, I figure I could get some use out of it.
2021-06-08 18:17:55	rascul	sure
2021-06-08 18:18:04	ZorinOS	It's amazing what you can find in New York City.
2021-06-08 18:18:22	lucida	i wanna move to nyc
2021-06-08 18:18:38	ZorinOS	No you don't....
2021-06-08 18:18:57	lucida	i really like its vibes
2021-06-08 18:19:22	ZorinOS	ok.... To each his own....
2021-06-08 18:19:38	lucida	whats bad about it
2021-06-08 18:19:42	rascul	too many people
2021-06-08 18:19:43	ZorinOS	Getting tired of life out in the country?
2021-06-08 18:20:03	ZorinOS	The politics is shit....
2021-06-08 18:20:14	rascul	the population of nyc is almost 3x that of my entire state
2021-06-08 18:20:48	ZorinOS	DiBlazio (SP?) is an asswipe and the governor isn't any better.
2021-06-08 18:21:41	rascul	this probably isn't a good channel for politics, but it's fine in ##Linux-offtopic
2021-06-08 18:21:56	lucida	lolol
2021-06-08 18:22:02	ZorinOS	BUT!   If your into Japanese anime and want to do all of your shopping in a Japanese supermarket there's Mitsuwa, in Englewood Cliffs NJ.
2021-06-08 18:22:40	ZorinOS	Eddie Murphy lives near there.
2021-06-08 18:22:53	lucida	rascul u look like a strict man icl xD
2021-06-08 18:23:05	rascul	i don't know what icl is but i'm not strict
2021-06-08 18:23:11	rascul	strictly speaking
2021-06-08 18:23:16	ZorinOS	lol
2021-06-08 18:23:21	lucida	icl = i cant lie
2021-06-08 18:23:45	rascul	i guess you don't need a bed then
2021-06-08 18:23:45	lucida	its like ngl = not gonna lie
2021-06-08 18:23:54	rascul	if you can't lie in it
2021-06-08 18:23:59	lucida	...
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2021-06-08 18:24:07	lucida	lol
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2021-06-08 18:26:23	ZorinOS	I've come across a lot of amazing things here.... A discarded *unicycle*. A 386 PC that I'm giving to the local retro gaming con.
2021-06-08 18:26:43	lucida	thats cool
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2021-06-08 18:37:14	ZorinOS	Wow! What happened?=$
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2021-06-08 18:38:10	ZorinOS	=$
2021-06-08 18:38:16	rascul	netsplit
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2021-06-08 18:41:03	ZorinOS	I was about to tell you about BookOff. If you want Anime/Manga and Zone 2 DVD this is the place for you.
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2021-06-08 18:43:12	rascul	i don't want it
2021-06-08 18:44:18	lucida	=$
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2021-06-08 18:49:10	ZorinOS	Well...  If you want to shop of Korean Groceries there's like a dozen H-Mart stores around.
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2021-06-08 19:01:29	Psymania	ZorinOS, Anime/Manga and Zone 2 DVDs are totally what I hang out in ##linux for
2021-06-08 19:01:50	ZorinOS	lol
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2021-06-08 19:07:15	ZorinOS	Well....  I'm grateful for the help I received.  If it turns out I need the Sophos AV installer, I have it.
2021-06-08 19:07:43	gnux	hi ZorinOS
2021-06-08 19:08:10	ZorinOS	Hello there.  Greetings form New York City.
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2021-06-08 19:09:28	gnux	greetings
2021-06-08 19:09:36	gnux	are you the developer of zorin os
2021-06-08 19:09:45	ZorinOS	We're being a little bit OT tonight. We were talking about some of the shopping options here in in the NYC/NJ area.
2021-06-08 19:10:07	gnux	ok
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2021-06-08 19:10:23	ZorinOS	Korean and Japanese groceries.
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2021-06-08 19:11:47	gnux	ok
2021-06-08 19:12:20	Prestige	What's up
2021-06-08 19:13:13	ZorinOS	No.. I'm not a Zorin dev. I just wanted a generic *pseudonym*  for use on chat. Didn't want to go blasting my real name all over the planet.
2021-06-08 19:14:19	ZorinOS	@Prestige we started off with me looking fo an old install file.
2021-06-08 19:15:05	ZorinOS	Now we're talking about some of the benefits of living in NYC if your into Asian culture.
2021-06-08 19:15:37	ZorinOS	An some of the fun things I found in a NYC eWaste recycling bin.
2021-06-08 19:16:29	ZorinOS	For example, this Dell Latitude E6400 that I'm using right now....
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2021-06-08 19:29:23	ZorinOS	NN folks.....  It's been a real slice.
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2021-06-08 21:29:37	jim	ok, so originally, I came here trying to find folks that someone on ##linux could speak to about eggdrops
2021-06-08 21:29:54	jim	that was a couple days ago, and I don't remember who it was :)
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2021-06-08 21:31:54	jim	found the person, still here :)
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2021-06-08 21:34:41	wwalker	anyone know if the linux VT can handle more than 8 colors?
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2021-06-08 21:37:49	jim	SureSumbat, hi, found some spots for you, first, I couldn't find evidence of the One Central Place for eggdrops, but I did find a couple places... one, is ##eggdrop/freenode (aka here), another place is #eggdrop/irc.libera.chat (ports 6697 tls, or 6667 plaintext)
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2021-06-08 22:04:28	[R]	eggdrop is still a thing!?
2021-06-08 22:04:40	[R]	that's just wild
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2021-06-08 22:12:19	pnbeast	[R], you're a dropped egg.
2021-06-08 22:12:30	[R]	pnbeast: you're soup
2021-06-08 22:12:55	 *	pnbeast is actually a hearty stew.
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2021-06-08 22:14:43	[R]	what is your protein?
2021-06-08 22:15:50	pnbeast	What is this, a late 2000s restaurant menu?  Quit calling me a protein.
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2021-06-08 22:16:42	[R]	rofl
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2021-06-08 22:24:22	jim	SureSumbat, if you're still having eggdrop issues, there are at least two places to go for help
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2021-06-08 22:27:11	 *	rascul drops an egg
2021-06-08 22:27:22	[R]	rascul: did you drop it like it was hot?
2021-06-08 22:27:50	rascul	no, it was cold
2021-06-08 22:28:06	[R]	why would you drop it if it was cold?
2021-06-08 22:28:15	rascul	because i felt like it
2021-06-08 22:28:33	 *	pnbeast enjoys a nice cold egg.
2021-06-08 22:28:51	[R]	i like the white part of hardboiled eggs and i like scrambled eggs
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2021-06-08 22:29:33	pnbeast	[R], what about the shells?  Aren't they delicious?
2021-06-08 22:29:38	pnbeast	High in calcium...
2021-06-08 22:29:44	[R]	rofl
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2021-06-08 22:32:00	rascul	[R] is high in calcium
2021-06-08 22:32:30	pnbeast	Did you sprinkle that powder on him that you get at the pet store, for snakes?
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2021-06-08 22:32:42	[R]	i do like ice cream
2021-06-08 22:32:42	rascul	yes
2021-06-08 22:33:04	pnbeast	[R], whatever you do, don't start scurrying around in your cage.  Er, apartment.
2021-06-08 22:33:18	[R]	lol
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2021-06-08 22:33:26	pnbeast	Check under the furniture for large, round animals that are not cats, too.
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2021-06-08 23:12:02	justadeveloper	hi
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2021-06-08 23:12:12	gnux	hi
2021-06-08 23:12:18	gnux	what is minGW
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2021-06-08 23:13:05	[R]	gnux: https://lmgtfy.app/?q=mingw
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2021-06-08 23:25:31	gnux	ty
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2021-06-08 23:28:02	thyriaen	i am so confused with the startup files - mine never seem to get loaded - isn't .Xsession the proper file to put stuff that gets loaded after signin when gnome is loaded ?
2021-06-08 23:33:43	chrisawi	[R]: they ruined lmgtfy :( at least there's lmgt.com
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2021-06-08 23:34:58	chrisawi	thyriaen: what sort of thing are you trying to run?
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2021-06-08 23:36:04	[R]	chrisawi: lol
2021-06-08 23:36:05	thyriaen	chrisawi, some sort of keyboard configuration - for example currently setxkbmap -option caps:escape but others will follow once it works
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2021-06-08 23:37:54	chrisawi	thyriaen: you can probably set that in gnome-tweaks
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2021-06-08 23:39:03	thyriaen	chrisawi, so there is no file such as .bashrc that gets run on startup ?
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2021-06-08 23:42:10	thyriaen	chrisawi, nice, gnome-tweaks had that option but i would also like to add some german letters to alt+a/o/u/s
2021-06-08 23:42:20	thyriaen	and i would like to swap ; and :
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2021-06-08 23:47:17	chrisawi	you can probably do that in ~/.Xmodmap if you're using X
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2021-06-08 23:54:50	thyriaen	chrisawi, alright ill try it thanks
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2021-06-09 00:09:10	evilscrew	on windows, to install a program, you get an .exe file, double click it, and click through the setup wizard, and everythings put in correctly and done for you
2021-06-09 00:09:12	evilscrew	on linux
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2021-06-09 00:09:28	evilscrew	its /syntax -m -i | grep 129.1.1.4
2021-06-09 00:09:34	evilscrew	then a few other commands
2021-06-09 00:09:36	evilscrew	then this then that
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2021-06-09 00:11:37	rascul	i've never installed anything on linux in such a fashion
2021-06-09 00:11:58	rascul	usually i just use the package manager
2021-06-09 00:12:04	 *	pnbeast notes that rascul is unfashionable.
2021-06-09 00:12:16	 *	rascul fashions something unfashionable for pnbeast
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2021-06-09 00:12:51	questi	omg linux babe :P
2021-06-09 00:12:54	questi	xd
2021-06-09 00:13:03	Nickwiz	It is snap 2.0
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2021-06-09 00:13:07	 *	pnbeast uses the Karl Lagerfeld installer.  It's older, but it's also timeless.
2021-06-09 00:13:24	rascul	evilscrew it's generally much easier to install software on linux if it's in the repos, and often stuff is
2021-06-09 00:13:32	questi	Karl lager hmm xd
2021-06-09 00:13:52	evilscrew	like nothing is in the repo's but ok
2021-06-09 00:14:01	gigasu_shida	hey dresden
2021-06-09 00:14:06	Nickwiz	Windows have the Alla Witte installer though.
2021-06-09 00:14:06	evilscrew	wait i thought you guys moved to libera
2021-06-09 00:14:13	questi	some stuff in repo is outdates, in ubuntu
2021-06-09 00:14:15	rascul	what distro has such bare repos?
2021-06-09 00:14:15	questi	lol
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2021-06-09 00:14:31	evilscrew	linux mint
2021-06-09 00:14:42	questi	ubuntu - outdated tor, well lazy me did not alert maintainer
2021-06-09 00:14:51	rascul	which has among the most populated repos... what are you missing?
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2021-06-09 00:15:00	evilscrew	tor the onion browser?
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2021-06-09 00:15:24	evilscrew	something to monitor my cpu temp
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2021-06-09 00:15:50	questi	yes at last xd
2021-06-09 00:16:06	rascul	tor isn't an onion browser but at least that's easy enough to do from the tor project web site
2021-06-09 00:16:09	questi	quitman left the room (quit: xd
2021-06-09 00:16:24	rascul	you're thinking of the tor browser i presume which is essentially just a preconfigured firefox (if i recall correctly)
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2021-06-09 00:16:31	questi	rascul: yes
2021-06-09 00:16:35	rascul	there are plenty of things to monitor your cpu temp in the repos
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2021-06-09 00:17:16	gigasu_shida	hi nickwiz can you mentor me in linux ?
2021-06-09 00:17:31	rascul	there's probably a plugin for your panel to monitor cpu temp
2021-06-09 00:17:38	rascul	probably don't even need to install anything
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2021-06-09 00:24:23	questi	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manjaro
2021-06-09 00:24:26	questi	cool?
2021-06-09 00:24:34	questi	ubuntu seems to be slowing down?
2021-06-09 00:24:51	Nickwiz	gigasu_shida: I'm barely hanging on myself :P,
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2021-06-09 00:25:16	gigasu_shida	Nickwiz: have you ever gotten "sh script.sh" to work?
2021-06-09 00:25:23	gigasu_shida	i can't seem to execute a bash script with 'sh'
2021-06-09 00:25:31	questi	well how to use linux - open terminal - type command name followed by man
2021-06-09 00:25:33	questi	execute
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2021-06-09 00:26:27	questi	Biden administration investigates 'illegal' leak of Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk and Warren Buffett's tax information - and continious use of Windows xd
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2021-06-09 00:26:48	questi	Buffer maybe windows 2000? xd
2021-06-09 00:27:19	questi	Jess could use Vista and Elon  asks secretary xd
2021-06-09 00:28:18	Nickwiz	bash and sh are not the same, and can't seem to execute is somewhat vague.
2021-06-09 00:29:29	gigasu_shida	use of windows?
2021-06-09 00:29:57	gigasu_shida	sorry nickwiz, i will stop trying to make 'sh' work as i can execute stuff with "./" just fine
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2021-06-09 00:36:13	b100s	hi2all; is it possible to set a hotkey to insert username in terminal, e.g. when I'm sshed to server and want to not type username all the time on this server when I do some operations?
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2021-06-09 00:40:34	velix	What am I doing wrong? dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/stdout bs=1G count=1 | pv -W >/dev/null
2021-06-09 00:40:35	velix	32.0MiB 0:00:00 [1.53GiB/s]
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2021-06-09 00:41:40	pnbeast	A description of what you think you're doing would probably help with an answer.
2021-06-09 00:42:14	velix	pnbeast: Oh, I thought it's easy to understand: Create a 1 GB big file stream and pipe it through pv to dev null.
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2021-06-09 00:43:01	velix	Ah, got it working. Sorry for the noise.
2021-06-09 00:43:04	velix	`dd if=/dev/urandom bs=1G count=1 iflag=fullblock | pv -W >/dev/null`
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2021-06-09 00:47:51	thyriaen	chrisawi, i am happy now and everything works - thanks !
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2021-06-09 00:52:05	Nickwiz	gigasu_shida: Sounds like you might try to run a bash script with sh, which, if there is bash-syntax in the script would go bad. But without anything more information about what happens it is hard to tell.
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2021-06-09 00:54:05	questi	have any one here combed logs to see who from ones present here never talked? :)
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2021-06-09 00:54:57	gigasu_shida	nickwiz i think i should avoid doing weird stuff like that for now. most ppl don't use 'sh' to run scripts
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2021-06-09 00:57:05	questi	shokohsc6886:
2021-06-09 00:57:10	questi	do you talk here?
2021-06-09 00:57:12	questi	xs
2021-06-09 00:57:13	questi	xd
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2021-06-09 00:59:07	questi	falling awake in the airport
2021-06-09 00:59:38	gigasu_shida	"#!/bin/bash function f()" nickwiz this is the error
2021-06-09 00:59:46	gigasu_shida	the second line is the error
2021-06-09 01:00:01	gigasu_shida	foo.sh: 2: foo.sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected
2021-06-09 01:00:09	velix	/dev/sda1        31G   31G     0 100% /
2021-06-09 01:00:13	velix	We've got a winner!
2021-06-09 01:00:19	questi	:P
2021-06-09 01:00:38	velix	sudo rm -rf /
2021-06-09 01:00:44	questi	do we have travel channel on freenode?
2021-06-09 01:00:52	velix	questi: #hell
2021-06-09 01:00:55	questi	do we! xd
2021-06-09 01:01:19	questi	o yay
2021-06-09 01:01:32	velix	questi: Oh oh, another joke:
2021-06-09 01:01:37	velix	take a trip to Libera.Chat
2021-06-09 01:01:37	Nickwiz	gigasu_shida: "function" is a bash construct. sh does not know how to interpret it.
2021-06-09 01:01:40	velix	It's exotic :D
2021-06-09 01:01:47	questi	I did follow it however typo and in #hello
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2021-06-09 01:01:57	questi	i let past be past
2021-06-09 01:02:16	questi	@libera xd
2021-06-09 01:02:38	gigasu_shida	oh thanks nickwiz i didn't know that
2021-06-09 01:02:42	Nickwiz	You do not need the 'function' in bash either. You can do "f() { ...
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2021-06-09 01:03:45	gigasu_shida	interesting. is 'sh' more basic than bash?
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2021-06-09 01:04:41	Nickwiz	Yes, it is POSIX and various shells are able to read/execute it including bash.
2021-06-09 01:05:01	questi	i am flying to an exotic country and idea is to rent a car and sleep in it
2021-06-09 01:05:11	questi	and or countryside
2021-06-09 01:05:31	Nickwiz	bash has a lot of extensions and different syntax additions
2021-06-09 01:06:02	questi	dont bash a bash :)
2021-06-09 01:06:13	questi	it will execute xd
2021-06-09 01:06:15	fsg	questi: that looks like a terrible idea
2021-06-09 01:06:48	questi	cause?
2021-06-09 01:08:07	velix	fold -w 666
2021-06-09 01:08:53	questi	i am not here anyway
2021-06-09 01:09:00	questi	no one typing xd
2021-06-09 01:09:05	gigasu_shida	nickwiz someone told me you don't need to change permissions to 'u+x', but rather just '+x' is fine
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2021-06-09 01:09:31	questi	sudo everything hehe
2021-06-09 01:09:31	fsg	questi: it sounds like a easy way to get robbed
2021-06-09 01:09:35	questi	make it run!
2021-06-09 01:10:16	questi	fsg: nah already slept in a forest
2021-06-09 01:10:17	questi	in a car
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2021-06-09 01:12:45	foursyth3	Hey. What's the difference between apt-get install and apt install?
2021-06-09 01:13:20	questi	i guess i can make an youtube sitcom. a man appears at 2.00 am and says excuse me I  lost a  laptop charger in a forest, would you be so kind to help me find it
2021-06-09 01:13:23	questi	lol
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2021-06-09 01:22:10	questi	:)
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2021-06-09 01:25:05	Nickwiz	gigasu_shida: Meh, I usually use octals. As for doing +x or u+x, I use u+x out of habit. Which user gets affected depends on your umask.
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2021-06-09 01:30:27	Nickwiz	Look at umask and/or umask -S , it shows you who get affected by what using +x etc.
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2021-06-09 01:44:39	questi	                                                                                                                                        jjhlh;
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2021-06-09 01:50:27	rindolf	oh sorry
2021-06-09 01:51:41	rindolf	hi all
2021-06-09 01:53:20	questi	:P
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2021-06-09 01:57:29	questi	well
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2021-06-09 02:20:05	rindolf	questi: sup?
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2021-06-09 02:37:51	questi	sighns :)
2021-06-09 02:38:09	questi	rindolf: checking different countries in europe :)
2021-06-09 02:38:30	questi	comparing the easiness of opening and running a business
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2021-06-09 02:39:52	rindolf	questi: ah, i'm still unincorporated
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2021-06-09 02:41:10	rindolf	i have a joke company titled "Freecell Solver Enterprises™":
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2021-06-09 02:42:50	questi	xd
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2021-06-09 02:43:08	rindolf	i hate financial red tape too: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/money_cant_buy_you_love.xhtml
2021-06-09 02:44:58	rindolf	questi left :(
2021-06-09 02:45:52	Nickwiz	I only read gopher links
2021-06-09 02:46:16	rindolf	may have not been a coincidence
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2021-06-09 02:46:29	Nickwiz	Considering expanding to gemini as well, but undecided
2021-06-09 02:46:43	rindolf	Nickwiz: heh.
2021-06-09 02:46:54	rindolf	Nickwiz++
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2021-06-09 02:50:45	Anton93	Hi!
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2021-06-09 02:53:06	rindolf	drive by "hi"ing
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2021-06-09 02:55:04	rindolf	Nickwiz: sup?
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2021-06-09 02:57:03	rindolf	Nickwiz: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=vintage-hypertext
2021-06-09 02:57:26	rindolf	gnu info > *
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2021-06-09 03:01:19	jim	-no- sup for you!!
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2021-06-09 03:04:00	rindolf	jim: heh. seinfeld reference
2021-06-09 03:04:07	rindolf	jim++
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2021-06-09 03:05:24	rindolf	jim: what's new?
2021-06-09 03:06:17	jim	oh not much
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2021-06-09 03:07:19	jim	I think seinfeld went to the real soup nazi
2021-06-09 03:07:33	rindolf	jim: ah :( "not much" -> "i am not interesting"
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2021-06-09 03:09:55	rindolf	jim: there is an actual restaurant like that reportedly
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2021-06-09 03:11:15	jim	yeah, I saw acouple of seinfeld interviews where they talk about it
2021-06-09 03:11:36	rindolf	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Soup_Nazi
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2021-06-09 03:15:35	rindolf	jim: it is a great episode. i wasn't too much into Seinfeld though
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2021-06-09 03:27:28	rindolf	jim: grammar nazis: https://ozyandmillie.org/comic/ozy-and-millie-2086/
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2021-06-09 03:38:50	gypsymauro	hi
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2021-06-09 03:41:50	NGC3982	i like the word nazi
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2021-06-09 03:42:08	NGC3982	you can just add it to stuff and it makes it funny
2021-06-09 03:42:39	NGC3982	also, that first sentence came out wrong
2021-06-09 03:42:53	Dark	lol
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2021-06-09 03:43:26	gypsymauro	I've some problem with acl on fs, what are "effective" acls standing for? I've a parent folder with some "effective" permissions and I can access to them if I move to a subfolder they doesn't have that effective permission and I can't work trough
2021-06-09 03:43:32	gypsymauro	any hint?
2021-06-09 03:44:03	Dark	man chmod
2021-06-09 03:44:06	Dark	and man group
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2021-06-09 03:47:35	gypsymauro	Dark: u forgot man getfacl , what you listed doesn't explains "effective"
2021-06-09 03:48:02	gypsymauro	even man getfacl, for this reason I asked
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2021-06-09 04:00:34	mnemon	gypsymauro: effective is the permissions modified by the mask
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2021-06-09 04:01:37	mehdisatselinux	Hi everyone
2021-06-09 04:02:34	mehdisatselinux	is it possible to force my services to use /etc/hosts to resolve IPs rather than dns server ?
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2021-06-09 04:06:49	Fyr	guys, a program is about to write a file and the disk will run out of free space. is there a way to avoid it by creating links?
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2021-06-09 04:07:06	Fyr	there is enough of free space on other devices.
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2021-06-09 04:10:28	thyriaen	for some reason ~/.xmodmap did not get loaded on login - any suggestions in which startup file i can put it to make the file load ?
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2021-06-09 04:12:55	essiambre	Fyr: when I'm faced with that, I'll often create a single symbolic link which points to a directory on another device that has lots of spacde.
2021-06-09 04:13:00	essiambre	Space.
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2021-06-09 04:14:07	OLDsKooL	essiambre: I do that as well if my main drive becomes full
2021-06-09 04:14:26	OLDsKooL	a soft link resolves it all
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2021-06-09 04:20:04	Fyr	is it possible to create a hard link across devices?
2021-06-09 04:20:10	essiambre	No.
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2021-06-09 04:23:49	zitter	hi, sorry for dumb question: can a hostname be named with same name of a user? For example: a hostname machine named 'hal' with a user 'hal'?
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2021-06-09 04:24:36	ExiledJ	zitter: Yes, that's fine.
2021-06-09 04:24:43	zitter	thank you
2021-06-09 04:26:07	mehdisatselinux	is it possible to force my services to use /etc/hosts to resolve IPs rather than dns server ?
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2021-06-09 04:27:57	MrElendig	nsswitch.conf but why?
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2021-06-09 04:29:03	MrElendig	imo better off running your own caching dns server and inject the entries you want if you have >1 device
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2021-06-09 04:40:21	mehdisatselinux	i have two @IPs for my serverver 1ip to manage and the second for the service (back)
2021-06-09 04:40:38	mehdisatselinux	*i have two @IPs for my serverver 1ip to manage and the second for the service (front)
2021-06-09 04:41:19	mehdisatselinux	in the dns i have only information for the back IP
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2021-06-09 04:41:32	mehdisatselinux	and its ok.
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2021-06-09 04:42:14	Squall5668	and if you add an entry in the /etc/hosts it doesn't resolve to that one?
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2021-06-09 04:42:23	mehdisatselinux	but when i am in the server and i do resolve i want to have the front ip that i added in /etc/hosts rather than the back one that i have in dns server
2021-06-09 04:42:30	mehdisatselinux	no
2021-06-09 04:44:01	mehdisatselinux	172.20.35.44	db00.prod.net	db00 => thats what i add in /etc/hosts
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2021-06-09 04:44:42	mehdisatselinux	and thats what i have via the command host as a response
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2021-06-09 04:45:10	mehdisatselinux	host db00.prod.net
2021-06-09 04:45:10	mehdisatselinux	db00.prod.net has address 10.218.134.236
2021-06-09 04:46:18	Squall5668	the host command doesn't use /etc/hosts, try pinging it
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2021-06-09 04:50:02	mehdisatselinux	ah it's ok when i ping it
2021-06-09 04:50:28	mehdisatselinux	what about my services, are they using /etc/hosts ?
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2021-06-09 04:51:48	Squall5668	They defninately should, but you should test it anyways.
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2021-06-09 04:54:10	mehdisatselinux	ok thanks
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2021-06-09 05:29:02	Dr_Coke	jim!!!!!
2021-06-09 05:29:07	Dr_Coke	What's going on man
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2021-06-09 05:35:30	NGC3982	hello, this is jim mcjimmy's answering machine. i'm not here right now, but if you have something funky dunky to say, please leave a message after the rad tune!
2021-06-09 05:35:41	NGC3982	<prince of belair theme plays>
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2021-06-09 05:39:23	jim	jim's not here??! oh noooooooooooooooOO!
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2021-06-09 05:46:55	NGC3982	in old times in ireland, people used to refer to other people by what they did for a living, or how they acted
2021-06-09 05:47:18	NGC3982	morgan the goat (slept with all the women), or garth the tooth (a dentist)
2021-06-09 05:47:27	NGC3982	so, how's jim the linux working?
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2021-06-09 05:48:36	NGC3982	(my sources for this claim is by the way the english/american (read: not irish) movie "the man who climbed up a hill and down a mountain" so my sources are ..colonial).
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2021-06-09 06:06:02	pabed	I want to define a location in Nginx as a reverse proxy ,  my remote domain "http://example.com/ "  is forwarded to my host name "http://192.168.100.15/webkart/eosLogin.aspx/" but after login  domain changed to this  http://192.168.100.15/webkart/eosWinkartWeb/default.aspx/  local but when I faced 404 error in remote how should I forward all headers?
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2021-06-09 06:09:53	pabed	I mean is there any way to forward all locations after "http://example.com/"  or it needs regex for every location ?
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2021-06-09 06:14:58	jjakob	pabed: do you get a 301/302 or does the beckend send the wrong URLs?
2021-06-09 06:15:18	jjakob	assuming 192.168.100.15 is the backend ip
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2021-06-09 06:16:34	jjakob	usually the backend needs to know the domain it should put in the URLs it generates in the pages. Sometimes it's autodetected through HTTP headers, which NGINX should be already adding, or sometimes it needs to be manually configured. it all depends on the backend
2021-06-09 06:17:01	jjakob	unless you have a nginx config that does a 301/302 somewhere and it causes it
2021-06-09 06:17:16	jjakob	pabed: no need for a regex
2021-06-09 06:17:23	pabed	backend told me you don't have permission , it means it couldn't pass username and password after remote login page
2021-06-09 06:17:59	jjakob	that isn't clear
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2021-06-09 06:21:07	cart_man	Hey is there any tools I can use to make graphs abouir CPU and memory usages of certain processes ? Pref a UI tool
2021-06-09 06:21:47	pabed	jjakob: in my local net this address is a logi page "http://192.168.100.15/webkart/eosLogin.aspx" that needs username and password , in  Nginx I told this "http://exampl.com/ with path /webkart forward to this address ""http://192.168.100.15/webkart/eosLogin.aspx" and it worked
2021-06-09 06:22:28	jjakob	what do you mean forward
2021-06-09 06:22:38	jjakob	that isn't a thing
2021-06-09 06:22:57	jjakob	paste your nginx config
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2021-06-09 06:24:29	jjakob	brb
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2021-06-09 06:24:57	pabed	jjakob: but after logoin in local my address changed to this address "http://192.168.100.15/webkart/eosWinkartWeb/default.aspx" and in Nginx I told " http://example.com/webkart/eosWinkartWeb/default.aspx/" with path ((location /webkart/eosWinkartWeb/) forward to this address " http://192.168.100.15/webkart/eosWinkartWeb/default.aspx/" but I faced permission denied in remote
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2021-06-09 06:37:00	anyparktos	hi all!
2021-06-09 06:37:27	rindolf	cart_man: hi, there are many FOSS charting APIs and libraries
2021-06-09 06:37:41	rindolf	anyparktos: hi
2021-06-09 06:38:56	rindolf	cart_man: they may require writing some code though
2021-06-09 06:39:23	jjakob	I remember rrdtool
2021-06-09 06:39:35	jjakob	and stff written around that
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2021-06-09 06:40:09	jjakob	I still kind of like rrdtool's graphs better than the new fancy dynamic graphing libraries all in JS/AJAX
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2021-06-09 06:41:09	jjakob	each pixel is a point of data, much more efficient
2021-06-09 06:41:59	anyparktos	is here a place to ask a linux question?
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2021-06-09 06:42:54	rindolf	anyparktos: yes, ask away
2021-06-09 06:43:49	anyparktos	oh nice! ok, I need to download a 10gb file from a website for my thesis but my internet connection is slow and unstable and i dont trust firefox downloading for 6 hours
2021-06-09 06:44:05	anyparktos	do you have any suggestion of how to do this?
2021-06-09 06:44:34	SkunkyLaptop	anyparktos: wget?
2021-06-09 06:44:48	anyparktos	will it resume if my connection hangs?
2021-06-09 06:44:52	rindolf	jjakob: gnumeric's ssconvert can emit charts too in .svg/.png
2021-06-09 06:45:13	rindolf	anyparktos: "wget -c" should
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2021-06-09 06:45:36	anyparktos	thanks a bunch! im gonna try it
2021-06-09 06:45:48	rindolf	anyparktos: you're welcome
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2021-06-09 06:47:27	rindolf	anyparktos: try interrupting it shortly after the first invoke
2021-06-09 06:47:29	jjakob	rindolf: he probably wants something easy to use, just install&run
2021-06-09 06:47:46	jjakob	monit is one, though I don't know if it can look at individual processes
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2021-06-09 06:48:35	rindolf	jjakob: real linuxers use slackware... ;)
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2021-06-09 06:53:34	anyparktos	yes!! it does resume!
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2021-06-09 06:54:33	cart_man	jjakob ,rindolf: Well I guess if the Monitoring process can output the CPU and RAM I guess I can just write a little piece of software to add it to a graph? You know of anything liek this?
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2021-06-09 06:56:30	jjakob	to monitor processes you can use pidstat for example which you then feed into rrdtool
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2021-06-09 06:56:42	jjakob	then generate graphs from the rrd databases
2021-06-09 06:57:10	jjakob	if you want to make something on your own. I wouldn't. well maybe if I had a lot of free time.
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2021-06-09 07:01:47	rindolf	cart_man: i think jjakob knows that better
2021-06-09 07:02:29	rindolf	anyparktos: great
2021-06-09 07:03:50	rindolf	anyparktos: you can put "wget -c" in a bash/etc. "while !" loop
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2021-06-09 07:14:10	masber	hi, stupid question. I have a bunch of rpms I need to install, they all should include dependencies from each other (I hope so) I would like to install all of them in my linux machine and check depenencies on other files if needed instead of stopping the installation
2021-06-09 07:14:16	masber	how could I do that?
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2021-06-09 07:21:37	triceratux	ruh roh https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-foundation-readies-global-covid-certificate-network/
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2021-06-09 07:25:32	cart_man	jjakob: How do you feed data from pidstat to rrdtool though?
2021-06-09 07:27:37	jjakob	shell scripts
2021-06-09 07:27:54	jjakob	parse its stdout and feed it to rrdtool stdin
2021-06-09 07:29:11	cart_man	You have an example? I can do that in C++ but im guessing thats overkill
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2021-06-09 07:29:31	jjakob	pidstat -h is intended to be parsed by other programs
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2021-06-09 07:29:53	jjakob	don't know rrdtool, never used it myself
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2021-06-09 07:30:12	jjakob	but extracting single values from pidtool is easy, lemme give you something
2021-06-09 07:30:25	jjakob	s/tool/stat/
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2021-06-09 07:44:15	cart_man	jjakob: Actually it just struck me that the cluster is spread around 5 servers lol
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2021-06-09 09:34:36	thyriaen	Hey guys, i am kinda looking for a guide kinda like linux-from-scratch-lite where you start with minimal ubuntu-server install and go through all the configuration of statartup stuff, desktop envniournment and such yourself - do you know of such a guide ?
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2021-06-09 09:36:21	jjakob	gentoo
2021-06-09 09:36:55	Fyr	thyriaen, https://assets.ubuntu.com/v1/f954307f-ubuntu-server-guide.pdf
2021-06-09 09:37:03	three	Hey guys I have this headless machine that unfortunatly right now has to use a wifi card until I make an ethernet run. I am using networkmanager and have been runnning into this problem where it will disconnect from the wifi randomly and even though set to auto connect will not bring the connection back until I restart the machine. I tried setting the IP settings manually but it still made no difference after a few hours its just gone off the network. Is
2021-06-09 09:37:04	three	there some kind of setting I can change in nm to get it to make sure it stays trying to connect?
2021-06-09 09:37:10	thyriaen	can i use apt with gentoo ?
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2021-06-09 09:37:30	jjakob	no
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2021-06-09 09:37:41	jjakob	portage
2021-06-09 09:37:42	three	thyriaen have you tried just using debian
2021-06-09 09:38:14	jjakob	debian isnt much different from ubuntu in the startup aspect
2021-06-09 09:38:15	Fyr	three, I had this problem. the wi-fi card got too hot, so it turned off.
2021-06-09 09:38:22	thyriaen	i have started out with debian 3 years ago - lots of issues with firmware and drivers
2021-06-09 09:38:38	three	Fyr why didnt I think of this
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2021-06-09 09:39:20	three	It is in a very cold room though maybe I shoud try putting an ssd heatsink on
2021-06-09 09:39:29	jjakob	did you look at the logs when it disappears?
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2021-06-09 09:39:46	thyriaen	three, jjakob isnt ubuntu the same as debian with a bit of hardware support added to it ?
2021-06-09 09:39:48	jjakob	NM will tell you what happened
2021-06-09 09:40:03	three	whats weird is before I re-installed OpenSuse It didnt have this problem. No I'm honestly not too familiar with nm
2021-06-09 09:40:17	jjakob	ubuntu is loosely based on debian but it's its own distro with a different company running it
2021-06-09 09:40:39	jjakob	look at the syslog where nm logs
2021-06-09 09:40:52	thyriaen	what i found the last time i tried debian ( which was a long time ago, granted ) most of the hardware wouldnt work
2021-06-09 09:40:56	three	debain doesnt have the what are they called snap ins or whatever weird packae thing they use
2021-06-09 09:41:06	three	package thing ubuntu uses*
2021-06-09 09:41:09	jjakob	there are a lot of differences.
2021-06-09 09:41:11	thyriaen	flatpack ?
2021-06-09 09:41:14	three	yes
2021-06-09 09:41:15	jjakob	but also similarities.
2021-06-09 09:41:19	thyriaen	i hate flatpack and snaps
2021-06-09 09:41:21	three	sorry im thinking of windows snap ins
2021-06-09 09:41:35	jjakob	there are snaps on linux
2021-06-09 09:41:42	thyriaen	yea
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2021-06-09 09:42:00	jjakob	the one laptop I installed debian on had everything work out of the box
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2021-06-09 09:42:11	jjakob	as did all the tower PCs
2021-06-09 09:42:23	three	I honestly perfer debian over ubunut but if the package manager is the only thing holding you back I'd try a different distro like OpenSuse or Fedora
2021-06-09 09:42:45	three	Will the NetworkManager logs show logs from before a restart or do i need to dig out a crossover cable
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2021-06-09 09:42:54	questi	reporting from madrid
2021-06-09 09:42:56	questi	+30C
2021-06-09 09:42:57	magnulu	recommended package for program that can sort photos based on exif tags easily? I am aware of exiftool, but I remember using some tools for this on debian earlier, but cant remember which
2021-06-09 09:43:07	jjakob	if you want to use debian try devuan instead (debian without systemd)
2021-06-09 09:43:16	questi	hehe
2021-06-09 09:43:23	questi	good ole systemd
2021-06-09 09:43:44	three	debain without systemd sounds like a headache
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2021-06-09 09:44:02	thyriaen	three, i kinda really like apt - so yea i would say its whats holding me back
2021-06-09 09:44:03	jjakob	not really. It was fine for years with sysvinit
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2021-06-09 09:44:19	thyriaen	what does devuan use instead of systemd ?
2021-06-09 09:44:30	jjakob	then devuan is good too, it has everything the same as debian (apt)
2021-06-09 09:44:41	jjakob	by default sysvinit
2021-06-09 09:44:50	questi	are you guys at work? i am outside +30C and using systemd :P
2021-06-09 09:44:58	jjakob	but you have a choice of OpenRC, runit, s6
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2021-06-09 09:46:03	thyriaen	i dont really have a good view on architectual stuff like that - thats why i am kinda looking for a guide, to get every bits and pieces i heared here and there get ordered in a way, by picking the components myself
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2021-06-09 09:46:17	jjakob	three: usually yes if systemd is setup to keep logs for x days
2021-06-09 09:46:36	jjakob	they're kept in the journal
2021-06-09 09:46:38	thyriaen	is there a new, bright and comming system which is "supposed" to replace systemd just like wayland and x11 ?
2021-06-09 09:46:49	questi	yes
2021-06-09 09:46:54	jjakob	I hope not
2021-06-09 09:47:09	jjakob	systemd 2.0?
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2021-06-09 09:47:38	jjakob	you already have a plethora of init systems with service managers and supervisors
2021-06-09 09:47:53	questi	systemd linux os big binary file but you can read the code :P
2021-06-09 09:48:10	thyriaen	so why not go with systemd ?
2021-06-09 09:48:22	three	unfortunatly journalctl -u NetworkManager only shows me back to when I restarted
2021-06-09 09:48:26	questi	i love systemd
2021-06-09 09:48:30	jjakob	and everything else systemd does absolutely shouldn't be the task of a init but rather userland programs like cron, ifupdown, netplan,...
2021-06-09 09:48:38	three	I also am a closeted systemd liker
2021-06-09 09:49:32	jjakob	because it's buggy, its architecture doesn't conform to the unix principle, and they force their way of doing things
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2021-06-09 09:50:02	thyriaen	jjakob, what would you say stays true to the unix principles ?
2021-06-09 09:50:16	jjakob	three: maybe in /var/log/syslog?
2021-06-09 09:50:33	jjakob	other init systems
2021-06-09 09:50:59	jjakob	three: or maybe there's a flag on journalctl to show all logs
2021-06-09 09:51:00	three	honestly I just stick to systemd cause of a if it aint broke dont fix it mentality
2021-06-09 09:51:20	three	Its obvious there are better init systems
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2021-06-09 09:51:54	three	yeah let me dig a bit deeper. I'm wondering if Fyr is right though. I just dont know why itd be over heating
2021-06-09 09:53:07	questi	rindolf: are you awake? :P
2021-06-09 09:53:09	questi	xd
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2021-06-09 09:54:08	questi	https://www.slant.co/options/12956/alternatives/~systemd-alternatives
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2021-06-09 09:57:39	three	Im seriously so confused by this connection issue. I'm still reading logs one seoncd
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2021-06-09 10:01:51	questi	three: yes sometimes issue is tricky to troubleshoot
2021-06-09 10:01:54	questi	however possible
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2021-06-09 10:02:26	questi	maybe see what an individual package doings?
2021-06-09 10:02:35	questi	once it is knows which package
2021-06-09 10:02:42	questi	or trace most likely culpits
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2021-06-09 10:09:51	ALowther	I have installed i3 for the first time and used the i3-config-wizard to generate the config. I have set my mod key to alt, mod1, as I can see in the config file. But I don't seem to be able to utilize any of the keybindings. Im not sure if I've missed something obvious or what's going on.
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2021-06-09 10:11:11	three	Okay so at 11:03 yesterday I restarted the machine but it still did not come on the network and In /var/log/messages I got these too lines "2021-06-08T11:03:29.008032-04:00 localhost systemd[1]: Started Network Manager Wait Online.2021-06-08T11:03:29.008325-04:00 localhost systemd[1]: Reached target Network is Online." but it was not on the network (Like i said its a static IP so it cant be a dhcp issue)
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2021-06-09 10:11:34	three	I then restarted it and it did come onto the network but the logs look exactly the same. Gooood
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2021-06-09 10:15:21	akk	I think network manager is happy if it can talk to the router, whether or not the router can reach the outside world.
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2021-06-09 10:18:07	three	well the rest of the network is fine... ughh I guess I will just let it go till it happens again and maybe try a different wifi card. Maybe my time would be be better spent just running ethernet
2021-06-09 10:18:24	three	thanks for letting me bouynce ideas guys
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2021-06-09 10:27:50	cadmio	Hello
2021-06-09 10:28:08	cadmio	I want to download only a certain portion of a video on youtube is there a way to do it on linux?
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2021-06-09 10:31:23	slayne	You can use youtube-dl and then use use ffmpeg to get only the part you want, still need to download the whole video though.
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2021-06-09 10:45:09	cadmio	slayne: I tried this https://ytcutter.com/ but it doesn't work
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2021-06-09 10:49:23	cart_man	jjakob: Sorry my power went out so I missed mostly everything you replied if you did
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2021-06-09 10:52:45	jjakob	three: when it goes down try pinging the router
2021-06-09 10:53:02	jjakob	and look at the routes (ip route)
2021-06-09 10:53:14	jjakob	also ip -6 route if you have v6
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2021-06-09 10:53:28	jjakob	cart_man: yeah lemme copy it
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2021-06-09 10:54:20	three	jjakob unfortunatly the machine is headless but i can try with a crossover cable. Im gonna keep my fingers crossed it stops happening but who knows
2021-06-09 10:54:43	jjakob	headless machine with a wifi connection?
2021-06-09 10:54:47	jjakob	oof
2021-06-09 10:54:57	jjakob	serial console maybe?
2021-06-09 10:55:05	jjakob	what is it?
2021-06-09 10:55:24	jjakob	cart_man: pidstat -h -G quasselcore | awk '{if (NR > 3) print $9}'
2021-06-09 10:56:22	jjakob	will print only the 9th column of lines 3+ (so multiple lines if there's multiple processes matched in pidstat's filter)
2021-06-09 10:57:13	jjakob	you can also make awk format multiple values into the output at once, if rrdtool expects csv, you can format it into csv
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2021-06-09 10:59:52	three	jjakob as I said I've been meaning to run ethernet I just havent gotten to it
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2021-06-09 11:00:06	three	No serial connection they are consumer motherboards
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2021-06-09 11:00:38	three	I was jsut gonna use a powerline adapter but i tried and my bandwidth got cut down to less than 1 mbps
2021-06-09 11:00:38	jjakob	cart_man: pidstat -h -G quasselcore | awk 'BEGIN {OFS=","} {if (NR > 3) print $5,$6,$7,$8,$9}'
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2021-06-09 11:00:48	jjakob	will format each column into csv
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2021-06-09 11:01:06	jjakob	three: consumer mobo without a gpu?
2021-06-09 11:01:11	jjakob	or just no monitor?
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2021-06-09 11:01:30	jjakob	you can attach a usb-serial adapter and setup a getty on it
2021-06-09 11:01:41	three	no iGPU one is a Xeon e5 1620 v2 the other is a R7 2700x
2021-06-09 11:01:50	jjakob	and then login via the serial console
2021-06-09 11:01:58	three	I need the pcie slots for other cards and I also have no room for a monitor where they are
2021-06-09 11:02:01	three	I might try that
2021-06-09 11:02:06	three	I didnt know that worked
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2021-06-09 11:02:20	jjakob	yeah, it's pretty simple making a usb-serial getty
2021-06-09 11:02:30	jjakob	identical to making a regular serial getty
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2021-06-09 11:07:31	three	jjakob I cant seem to find an adapter. What would it be called?
2021-06-09 11:08:27	jjakob	usb rs232 or usb uart
2021-06-09 11:08:39	jjakob	or usb serial adapter
2021-06-09 11:08:48	cart_man	jjakob: Thanks so much ! I will test asap
2021-06-09 11:08:57	jjakob	you need 2 of course and a null modem cabke
2021-06-09 11:09:00	jjakob	cable
2021-06-09 11:09:35	three	maybe Ill just stick to crossover cable till I get the motivation to run ethernet through my vents lol
2021-06-09 11:10:01	jjakob	most ethernet nowadays is auto-mdiX
2021-06-09 11:10:10	jjakob	so you don't need crossover cables any more
2021-06-09 11:10:22	three	you mean the NIC itself?
2021-06-09 11:10:23	jjakob	most=all
2021-06-09 11:10:26	jjakob	yes
2021-06-09 11:10:48	jjakob	the nic or the switch will detect it and switch the pairs accordingly
2021-06-09 11:11:01	jjakob	it all just works
2021-06-09 11:12:05	three	really? huh I didnt realize that they could detect you were plugged into another computer without setting up the IP settings first
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2021-06-09 11:14:42	three	i think the easiest solution to my problem is getting off my butt and running the ethernet down to those machines
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2021-06-09 11:47:38	cadmio	I need to download a video from a website is there any way?
2021-06-09 11:49:10	jjakob	youtube-dl
2021-06-09 11:49:47	cadmio	I need this video https://www.hashcut.com/v/xuHoq2j
2021-06-09 11:49:48	jjakob	three: what? ethernet crossover has nothing to do with IPs
2021-06-09 11:49:59	jjakob	it's a layer 1 thing
2021-06-09 11:50:07	jjakob	you know, crossover cables
2021-06-09 11:50:31	jjakob	IPs are layer 3, they don't care if it's a cable or fiber or pigeon
2021-06-09 11:51:22	jjakob	cadmio: look at the page source and find the video url and use wget to download it?
2021-06-09 11:51:40	jjakob	if youtube-dl doesn't support it, it supports a lot more than just youtube
2021-06-09 11:51:47	jjakob	the name is a bit misleading
2021-06-09 11:52:02	cadmio	jjakob: I can't find any mp4 or the sort
2021-06-09 11:52:04	cadmio	in the source
2021-06-09 11:53:37	Prestige	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E7HRVJFULc
2021-06-09 11:53:43	Prestige	cadmio: ^
2021-06-09 11:54:48	cadmio	Prestige: but I want only that section here https://www.hashcut.com/v/xuHoq2j of that video
2021-06-09 11:55:18	Prestige	You'll have to download the whole thing, then splice the video (afaik)
2021-06-09 11:55:50	cadmio	where are video loaded when you play it? is it possible that you can't download a thing you see there?
2021-06-09 11:56:28	Prestige	Sorry I don't understand your question
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2021-06-09 11:56:51	cadmio	I mean in the browser
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2021-06-09 11:57:52	Prestige	They might have just a section of the video displayed on their site that they already trimmed
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2021-06-09 11:58:20	jjakob	usually it's loaded asynchronously through javascript
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2021-06-09 11:58:38	jjakob	so maybe a script loaded does it
2021-06-09 11:58:51	jjakob	sometimes theyre heavily obfuscated or minised
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2021-06-09 11:59:10	Prestige	yep that's also likely
2021-06-09 11:59:26	cadmio	so you can't download it with wget
2021-06-09 11:59:42	Prestige	correct
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2021-06-09 12:09:09	jack_rip_vim	what is infra?
2021-06-09 12:09:28	koollman	jack_rip_vim: what is your real question ?
2021-06-09 12:09:57	jack_rip_vim	I saw this chan's topic changed
2021-06-09 12:10:01	jjakob	cadmio: not with that attitude.
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2021-06-09 12:10:17	jjakob	you can always reverse engineer stuff and find out
2021-06-09 12:10:28	jack_rip_vim	hi koollman jjakob  :D
2021-06-09 12:10:29	jjakob	the question is how much time you have
2021-06-09 12:10:51	cadmio	there should be a save video as in the browser I don't get why isn't there
2021-06-09 12:11:23	jjakob	you can de-minise javascript and see what it does
2021-06-09 12:11:37	jack_rip_vim	hi cadmio
2021-06-09 12:12:53	jack_rip_vim	hi jim, are you here? will this chan move to the other place?
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2021-06-09 12:50:25	acresearch	people, i have a server that is hosting a website using wordpress, is there a way to see who is currently veiwing my website? it is a linux server
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2021-06-09 12:55:16	nutzz	what does -make (make with dash prefix) mean?
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2021-06-09 12:56:16	koollman	nutzz: in which context ?
2021-06-09 12:56:45	nutzz	something like this in a makefile
2021-06-09 12:56:46	nutzz	start:
2021-06-09 12:56:47	nutzz	        -make -C install/docker/dev start
2021-06-09 12:56:52	koollman	it means ignore errors
2021-06-09 12:56:56	nutzz	ah
2021-06-09 12:56:57	jjakob	acresearch: look at the logs which will show requests, or use a log analysis tool
2021-06-09 12:57:07	nutzz	is this written in the man page?
2021-06-09 12:57:08	jjakob	read gnu make docs
2021-06-09 12:57:19	koollman	(that is, in a makefile, any command in a target can be prefixed by - to ignore errors. typically used for rm)
2021-06-09 12:57:35	nutzz	ah, my bad, sry
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2021-06-09 12:58:25	koollman	jjakob: hey, that one is standard :)
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2021-06-09 12:59:12	koollman	https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695299/utilities/make.html -> "Makefile command lines can have one or more of the following prefixes: a hyphen ( '-' ), an at sign ( '@' ), or a plus sign ( '+' ). These shall modify the way in which make processes the command"
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2021-06-09 13:27:45	puff`	Good afternoon.  I'm troubleshooting an ubuntu install for an art installation. Unfortunately the keyboard is configured weirdly (probably because the artist is french), the "a" key gets me a "q", tne "/" key gets me a "!", etc.  Trying to figure out how to change the keyboard mapping back to English, but of course that's not easy.
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2021-06-09 13:32:31	jjakob	dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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2021-06-09 13:32:56	jjakob	lol, bye
2021-06-09 13:33:25	jjakob	I guess you don't want to know
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2021-06-09 13:45:15	gambl0re	hello?
2021-06-09 13:45:27	gambl0re	anyone use vim? i need to edit indentation spaces but its not working
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2021-06-09 13:48:11	TheHermann	gambl0re, seach pluging
2021-06-09 13:48:14	TheHermann	in git
2021-06-09 13:48:24	gambl0re	what is that
2021-06-09 13:48:25	TheHermann	search*
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2021-06-09 13:49:51	TheHermann	an example
2021-06-09 13:49:52	TheHermann	https://medium.com/@huntie/10-essential-vim-plugins-for-2018-39957190b7a9
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2021-06-09 14:46:11	heap_	hi, i went step by step using https://askubuntu.com/questions/780284/shrinking-ext4-partition-on-command-line to resize partition
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2021-06-09 14:46:30	heap_	when i try to mount shrinked partiton it says mount: /mnt/r1: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdf1, missing codepage or helper program, or other error.
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2021-06-09 14:49:03	heap_	i removed ext4 signature; can i write it back?
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2021-06-09 14:50:08	heap_	Filesystem/RAID signature on partition 1 will be wiped.
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2021-06-09 14:50:18	heap_	is it possible to revert that step?
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2021-06-09 14:54:14	porky	why haven't you moved on to libera?
2021-06-09 14:54:27	heap_	whi
2021-06-09 14:54:28	heap_	who
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2021-06-09 14:57:32	jjakob	heap_: maybe. What you want is data recovery. People charge big $ for that.
2021-06-09 14:57:45	jjakob	Since you wiped the fs signature.
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2021-06-09 14:57:47	heap_	hm nice..
2021-06-09 14:57:54	heap_	i thought it can be easily restored
2021-06-09 14:57:56	heap_	apparently not
2021-06-09 14:58:10	jjakob	Maybe you could recover it from a backup superblock.
2021-06-09 14:58:20	heap_	whats backup superblock?
2021-06-09 14:58:26	jjakob	I've never done it but heard it's possible.
2021-06-09 14:58:46	jjakob	ext4 stores the superblock at multiple locations
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2021-06-09 14:59:06	heap_	dumpe2fs  /dev/sdf1 | grep -i superblock
2021-06-09 14:59:07	heap_	dumpe2fs 1.45.5 (07-Jan-2020)
2021-06-09 14:59:07	heap_	dumpe2fs: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sdf1
2021-06-09 14:59:07	heap_	Couldn't find valid filesystem superblock.
2021-06-09 14:59:46	jjakob	https://serverfault.com/questions/944221/how-to-recover-an-ext4-signature-deleted-with-fdisk#944238
2021-06-09 15:00:25	jjakob	it has a link to a procedure to try a backup superblock
2021-06-09 15:01:24	heap_	but now its then late
2021-06-09 15:02:30	heap_	i tried dumpe2fs but no results
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2021-06-09 15:12:21	kerframil	heap_: re-create the filesystem, only using the -n option so that nothing is actually done. make a note of the superblock numbers printed. try all of them.
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2021-06-09 15:15:15	heap_	kerframil: no superblock numbers are printed
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2021-06-09 15:16:37	kerframil	nonsense. there are always back superblock numbers printed.
2021-06-09 15:16:45	kerframil	see for yourself: dd if=/dev/zero bs=1M count=100 of=test.img; mkfs.ext4 -n test.img
2021-06-09 15:17:05	kerframil	"Superblock backups stored on blocks:" ...
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2021-06-09 15:17:50	heap_	 i dont know
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2021-06-09 15:18:12	heap_	i run dumpe2fs on that drive / partition and nothing was printed
2021-06-09 15:18:18	kerframil	I didn't tell you to run dumpe2fs.
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2021-06-09 15:18:44	kerframil	I told you to re-create the filesystem, only using the -n option to prevent anything from being done (written).
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2021-06-09 15:19:12	heap_	hm and then? if its not written then whats the point
2021-06-09 15:20:30	kerframil	to determine the backup superblocks.
2021-06-09 15:20:59	heap_	so once u determine it?
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2021-06-09 15:22:01	kerframil	e2fsck -b takes a superblock number to try as an alternative.
2021-06-09 15:22:26	kerframil	you would try each of them until you (hopefully) find one that works.
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2021-06-09 15:22:40	heap_	dont get it...
2021-06-09 15:22:44	heap_	one that works means what
2021-06-09 15:23:16	kerframil	meaning one that's valid, unlike the one that you stupidly blew away (the default superblock).
2021-06-09 15:23:36	heap_	but how can u find out its valid?
2021-06-09 15:23:40	kerframil	by _trying_ it.
2021-06-09 15:23:45	heap_	trying what?
2021-06-09 15:23:51	heap_	egrh
2021-06-09 15:23:56	heap_	trying to mount / make fs?
2021-06-09 15:24:41	kerframil	why are you seemingly ignoring everything that's being said? I just explained that mock filesystem creation prints a list of backup superblocks. I even spelled out a command demonstrating it.
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2021-06-09 15:24:56	kerframil	I then explained that e2fsck accepts an alternate superblock number to try, via the -b option.
2021-06-09 15:25:08	kerframil	if you don't understand it, find someone to help you professionally.
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2021-06-09 15:26:24	heap_	kerframil: i mean; for what do u need that superblock number
2021-06-09 15:26:29	heap_	to re-create fs or what
2021-06-09 15:26:36	kerframil	to be able to use the filesystem at all.
2021-06-09 15:26:50	heap_	but u dont specify superblock while doing mount
2021-06-09 15:27:03	heap_	i mean okay, once i got a correct superblock number then what
2021-06-09 15:27:08	heap_	recreate ext4? mount it?
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2021-06-09 15:27:43	kerframil	e2fsck -b, for the third time.
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2021-06-09 15:28:32	kerframil	the "recreate" step is just to print the backup superblock numbers. they're always the same, as long as the circumstances are the same (same disk size, same block size etc).
2021-06-09 15:29:24	kerframil	1) mock-create the filesystem to get the superblock numbers 2) try each of these numbers one by one with e2fsck -b
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2021-06-09 15:29:42	kerframil	in step 1, you use -n so that nothing is overwritten. otherwise, you'd just cause more damage.
2021-06-09 15:30:17	heap_	ah okay isee
2021-06-09 15:30:19	heap_	thanks
2021-06-09 15:30:51	kerframil	even that exaple given earlier, writes nothing.
2021-06-09 15:31:13	kerframil	the only reason to write out the "test.img" file was so that it knows the intended size of the filesystem.
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2021-06-09 15:31:50	kerframil	in any case, the list of backup superblocks is the last thing shown. it is very clearly visible.
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2021-06-09 15:35:08	kerframil	one more thing: you can use -n in step 2, as well. after all, you're just trying to find a usable superblock. you can drop -n if you strike gold.
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2021-06-09 15:36:15	heap_	kerframil: thanks
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2021-06-09 16:03:40	abckb__	A distro in the block! Check out the beautiful, fast, lightweight Archcraft! https://archcraft.io/gallery.html
2021-06-09 16:03:53	abckb__	New* distro
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2021-06-09 16:15:47	puff	Good afternoon.  I was in here a bit earlier, asking about how to change the keyboard settings, but lost network.
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2021-06-09 16:37:18	kfrench	abckb__: How do I get it to stop changing pics and not be all blue?
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2021-06-09 16:42:25	akk	puff: Maybe you should repeat the question, for people who weren't here then.
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2021-06-09 16:46:50	jjakob	puff: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
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2021-06-09 16:47:48	jjakob	kerframil: so e2fsck will put back all the superblocks and everything he wiped?
2021-06-09 16:48:00	jjakob	I've never done this before
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2021-06-09 16:48:44	kerframil	jjakob: it should, yes. it's also possible to mount from an alternate superblock but it's been years since I've done it and I can't remember how off-hand.
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2021-06-09 16:49:13	jjakob	makes sense
2021-06-09 16:49:24	kerframil	ah, -o sb=<supebrlock-no>. that was it.
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2021-06-09 16:49:56	kerframil	so, for example, checking the exit status of -o ro,sb=n can be helpful in a loop.
2021-06-09 16:50:31	kerframil	I think that's what I did when I was assisting someone all those years ago. that person was only interested in being able to recover the data, not fix the filesystem per se.
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2021-06-09 16:53:04	jjakob	maybe that'll save me one day when I get a situation like this
2021-06-09 16:53:12	kerframil	I suppose that's safer, really. e2fsck is pretty smart but nothing can be assured.
2021-06-09 16:53:23	jjakob	but I've never accidentally wiped a filesystem in 10+ years so...
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2021-06-09 16:53:37	kerframil	may that be the case for 10+ years more.
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2021-06-09 16:54:35	jjakob	and I did a lot of partition mangling and dding here and there and over netcat and through various compressions
2021-06-09 16:55:05	jjakob	resizing and shrinking and migrating to lvm and zfs and stuff
2021-06-09 16:55:47	jjakob	since when does fdisk ask to wipe a filesystem? I don't remember ever seeing it
2021-06-09 16:55:54	kerframil	ah. good question.
2021-06-09 16:55:55	jjakob	I know parted does it
2021-06-09 16:56:12	koollman	I'm sometimes afraid of wiping out partitions. today I spent some time setting partition labels on two backup servers just to make my storage manipulation scripts more idiot-proof
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2021-06-09 16:56:47	koollman	once you have enough disks, there's a lot of potential for critical mistakes :)
2021-06-09 16:57:27	jjakob	ah yes, I remember setting gpt labels and then forgetting which disk is which
2021-06-09 16:57:43	jjakob	they were all in a rotation so it didnt matter
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2021-06-09 16:58:42	Intruder777	How do I get a KDE gui package manager in CentOS 7?
2021-06-09 17:00:48	kerframil	jjakob: the relevant commit to util-linux was in May 2016.
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2021-06-09 17:02:23	Intruder777	Is Yumex the only option?
2021-06-09 17:02:39	kerframil	jjakob: so, util-linux 2.28.1 (I think)
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2021-06-09 17:03:38	jjakob	thanks
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2021-06-09 17:30:21	triceratux	can i get there via matrix ?
2021-06-09 17:30:36	oxek	don't engage them
2021-06-09 17:30:42	triceratux	rofl
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2021-06-09 17:31:46	resangan	Hi triceratux. I am glad that you are giving me positive feedback. This is good for the FOSS community.
2021-06-09 17:32:06	resangan	I will take this feedback and make freenode better for everyone.
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2021-06-09 17:32:47	SmashingX	Hello everyone, does anyone know of a oper source software that gives reports based on logs
2021-06-09 17:32:48	SmashingX	?
2021-06-09 17:33:02	heap_	hi, how can i resize ext4 partition?
2021-06-09 17:33:08	heap_	there are howtos all different
2021-06-09 17:33:27	oxek	heap_: gparted should work
2021-06-09 17:33:35	heap_	some says first run resize2fs other fdisk delete partition etc
2021-06-09 17:33:45	heap_	i am using ssh and console no gui
2021-06-09 17:33:58	oxek	no lvm?
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2021-06-09 17:34:41	heap_	oxek: ext4
2021-06-09 17:34:42	oxek	!ops resangan spam
2021-06-09 17:34:43	kerframil	know the difference between a filesystem and a partition, to begin with. there's no such thing as an ext4 partition. there are block devices (often partitions) that contain filesystems.
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2021-06-09 17:35:17	heap_	kerframil: filesystem
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2021-06-09 17:35:49	kerframil	also, you don't say whether you are growing or shrinking.
2021-06-09 17:35:55	heap_	shrinking
2021-06-09 17:36:00	heap_	https://askubuntu.com/questions/780284/shrinking-ext4-partition-on-command-line
2021-06-09 17:36:07	heap_	i found that but doesnt work properly
2021-06-09 17:36:21	DGMurdockIII	i need help my cd drive wont mount im using popos
2021-06-09 17:36:27	kerframil	resize2fs can be run first then. the harder part is adjusting the end boundary of the enclosing partition to match i.e. without lopping off the end of the filesystem.
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2021-06-09 17:36:53	heap_	kerframil: i did as per that link and when i rebooted system it says cant mount
2021-06-09 17:37:02	kerframil	then you dun goofed.
2021-06-09 17:37:02	DGMurdockIII	pop os
2021-06-09 17:37:14	heap_	kerframil: ?
2021-06-09 17:37:22	heap_	maybe something is missing there
2021-06-09 17:37:40	DGMurdockIII	can anyone help
2021-06-09 17:39:32	kerframil	heap_: so, is that how you ended up blowing away the filesystem signature? with fdisk?
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2021-06-09 17:39:52	heap_	kerframil: yes but i reinstalled sd card
2021-06-09 17:40:03	heap_	so i am trying again
2021-06-09 17:40:04	kerframil	I see.
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2021-06-09 17:40:27	heap_	but if i do resize2fs; fdisk ; mount shrinked fs ... the size is "corrupted"
2021-06-09 17:40:34	heap_	i mean it can mount but shows nonsense
2021-06-09 17:40:42	heap_	then when i reboot ; i cant mount it anymore
2021-06-09 17:40:53	heap_	maybe after shrink process something else has to be run
2021-06-09 17:40:58	heap_	some fsck?
2021-06-09 17:41:00	kerframil	because you either created the replacing partition at the wrong offset, or made it smaller than the filesystem itself (end boundary occurs before end of filesystem).
2021-06-09 17:41:04	kerframil	you goofed. obviously.
2021-06-09 17:41:17	kerframil	have you considered using parted or, better, gparted?
2021-06-09 17:41:20	kerframil	it takes care of the messy details.
2021-06-09 17:41:35	kerframil	and you can get bootable live distros that have gparted.
2021-06-09 17:41:47	heap_	kerframil: i went thu that link  https://askubuntu.com/questions/780284/shrinking-ext4-partition-on-command-line
2021-06-09 17:41:50	DGMurdockIII	i cant mount my cd or really i dont know what to do
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2021-06-09 17:42:10	heap_	so the counting is there ... ie what resize2fs retruns *4 and it has to be used for fdisk
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2021-06-09 17:42:53	kerframil	heap_: if the block size is 4KiB, yes. but, evidently, you made a mistake somewhere.
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2021-06-09 17:43:10	heap_	i double checked the block size
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2021-06-09 17:43:24	kerframil	look, I'm not going to argue about it. it doesn't work, which is proof that a mistake was made.
2021-06-09 17:43:27	resangan	Wow, anyone else moving to irc.libera.chat?
2021-06-09 17:43:35	heap_	kerframil: i got blocksize using fdisk -l
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2021-06-09 17:44:03	kerframil	heap_: that's not the same thing as the filesystem blocksize, necssarily.
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2021-06-09 17:45:05	heap_	kerframil: ah i see ;/ can i get that size ?
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2021-06-09 17:45:26	kerframil	heap_: for ext4, it's almost always 4KiB. tune2fs -l would tell you.
2021-06-09 17:45:37	heap_	kerframil: doesnt resize2fs provide it?
2021-06-09 17:45:45	heap_	Resizing the filesystem on /dev/vdb1 to 204800 (1k) blocks.
2021-06-09 17:45:47	kerframil	yes, I believe so.
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2021-06-09 17:46:12	kerframil	ok, so it's probably a small filesystem. tune2fs -l will definitely tell you, in any case.
2021-06-09 17:46:13	heap_	so i used 4 as it returned 4
2021-06-09 17:46:17	resangan	Wow, anyone else moving to irc.libera.chat?
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2021-06-09 17:48:04	heap_	Block size:               4096
2021-06-09 17:48:12	kerframil	heap_: ok, yep.
2021-06-09 17:48:55	kerframil	remember, though, the partition must begin at the exact same sector as it originally did.
2021-06-09 17:48:59	kerframil	that's also critically important.
2021-06-09 17:49:27	heap_	yeah
2021-06-09 17:49:37	kerframil	and you have to say no if asked to erase the signature, which I suppose you realise by now.
2021-06-09 17:49:52	heap_	Device     Boot Start      End  Sectors  Size Id Type
2021-06-09 17:49:53	heap_	/dev/sdf1        8192 30801919 30793728 14.7G 83 Linux
2021-06-09 17:49:57	heap_	kerframil: that i got from fdisk
2021-06-09 17:50:14	heap_	kerframil: yeah;/
2021-06-09 17:51:10	heap_	kerframil:  resize2fs /dev/sdf1 5G ; thats what i did
2021-06-09 17:51:38	heap_	Please run 'e2fsck -f /dev/sdf1' first.
2021-06-09 17:51:53	heap_	so do i have to run it once i recreate partition ?
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2021-06-09 17:52:26	kerframil	no.
2021-06-09 17:52:44	kerframil	recreating the partition doesn't alter the contents at all, as long as you refuse to touch the 'signature'.
2021-06-09 17:52:59	kerframil	otherwise, the only way you can mess it up is as already discussed.
2021-06-09 17:53:10	kerframil	shifting the start boundary and/or moving the end boundary too far down
2021-06-09 17:53:37	kerframil	although, come to think of it, I think you're supposed to run e2fsck as a precaution.
2021-06-09 17:53:54	heap_	that is strange
2021-06-09 17:53:57	kerframil	because resizing is technically invasive, it makes sense to ensure that the filesystem is in tip-top condition first.
2021-06-09 17:54:07	kerframil	all the more so if shrinking.
2021-06-09 17:54:13	heap_	it all the time says please run e2fsck when i try to run resize2fs
2021-06-09 17:54:35	kerframil	it may have reason to believe that the integrity of the filesystem is in question.
2021-06-09 17:55:19	heap_	Resizing the filesystem on /dev/sdf1 to 1310720 (4k) blocks.
2021-06-09 17:55:44	heap_	so now i am going to run fdisk and start would be 8192 and end 1310720*4 ?
2021-06-09 17:56:19	kerframil	if you use + as a prefix in fdisk and K as a suffix, that sounds right.
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2021-06-09 17:56:48	kerframil	actually, no.
2021-06-09 17:56:55	kerframil	wait, yes. with K, it should be right.
2021-06-09 17:57:00	heap_	no
2021-06-09 17:57:02	kerframil	no.
2021-06-09 17:57:08	heap_	hm
2021-06-09 17:57:14	kerframil	it's 4k.
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2021-06-09 17:57:46	heap_	+1310720*4K ?
2021-06-09 17:57:55	kerframil	so, 1310720 * 4 = 5242880.
2021-06-09 17:58:01	kerframil	5242880K.
2021-06-09 17:58:23	heap_	but +5242880K ?
2021-06-09 17:58:26	kerframil	right.
2021-06-09 17:58:33	kerframil	I guess that was the mistake.
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2021-06-09 17:58:42	heap_	what was mistake
2021-06-09 17:58:44	heap_	i did it with +
2021-06-09 17:58:45	kerframil	you're being given a block count, so the block size has to be taken into account.
2021-06-09 17:58:46	heap_	before
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2021-06-09 17:58:55	kerframil	yes, but did you multiply by the block size?
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2021-06-09 17:59:01	heap_	sure
2021-06-09 17:59:08	kerframil	ok. well, I don't know then.
2021-06-09 17:59:15	kerframil	the math is right.
2021-06-09 17:59:25	heap_	number from 1310720*4 then in fdisk +5242880K
2021-06-09 17:59:36	kerframil	with the same start sector, that should have been fine, yes.
2021-06-09 17:59:52	heap_	well but K mean size
2021-06-09 17:59:59	heap_	withiut K its sectors
2021-06-09 18:00:02	kerframil	right.
2021-06-09 18:00:22	heap_	hm i am confused
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2021-06-09 18:00:32	heap_	so 1310720*4 is sectors?
2021-06-09 18:00:44	kerframil	no.
2021-06-09 18:01:27	kerframil	sector size could be 512 bytes or 4096 bytes, typically. if you wanted to do it that way, you would have to discern the sector size and adjust your calculations. easier to just use K as a unit, really.
2021-06-09 18:02:45	OD	kerframil: while you're here
2021-06-09 18:02:46	kerframil	it sounds like you got it right.
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2021-06-09 18:03:10	OD	I've got a drive, keeps spazzing out, claims to be 512/512 (but it's an SSD and says AF on the label, so physical 4096 AT BEST - because SSD) - sometimes I get alignment errors in dmesg
2021-06-09 18:03:17	OD	kerframil: how do I tell Linux "pretend it's AF"
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2021-06-09 18:05:19	kerframil	OD: hmm. these days, partitioning tools tend to align to 1 MiB boundaries. I wouldn't expect it to matter either way, normally. are you sure that the partitions themselves are aligned, as things stand?
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2021-06-09 18:05:35	OD	kerframil: it's VERY rare but sometimes it pauses for 30 seconds then on dmesg it's reinitted the drive
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2021-06-09 18:05:51	OD	I guess because by and large accesses are aligned "just anyway" - but the drive is reporting 512 log/phy (smartctl confirms)
2021-06-09 18:06:07	kerframil	OD: can you pastebin an fdisk -l dump?
2021-06-09 18:06:10	OD	I'm thinking it probably is getting the odd not-4k-aligned-request and that's causing it
2021-06-09 18:06:32	OD	kerframil: it's not the partitions man - if it were that it'd be something I could cause, this happens like once every 3 days it's weird
2021-06-09 18:06:42	OD	Drive reports an alignment error with a command that was queued (SATA)
2021-06-09 18:06:59	kerframil	ok.
2021-06-09 18:07:02	OD	Gotta be because it was 512 aligned (the sector size it claims) but not congurent to 0 mod 8 (AF / 4k requirement)
2021-06-09 18:07:18	OD	Make sense? So by dumb luck it's asking for 8-sector aligned stuff 99.999% of the time
2021-06-09 18:07:38	kerframil	yes.
2021-06-09 18:08:19	OD	Is there a way I can say "linux, pretend you never saw that 512 byte sector thing - except still use that as the sector size, and only read 8 at a time minimum, aligned to 8"?
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2021-06-09 18:09:07	OD	kerframil: hdparm -I
2021-06-09 18:09:08	OD		Logical  Sector size:                   512 bytes
2021-06-09 18:09:08	OD		Physical Sector size:                   512 bytes
2021-06-09 18:09:24	OD	It's an SSD and it wasn't expensive and it's quite modern, internally I bet it writes 16kib at a time
2021-06-09 18:09:25	kerframil	not that I've ever seen. I wonder whether there's a whitelist (or blacklist) in the kernel, though.
2021-06-09 18:09:31	heap_	kerframil: worked now; strange; thanks!
2021-06-09 18:09:37	kerframil	heap_: ok, good.
2021-06-09 18:09:40	OD	kerframil: 	Model Number:       SanDisk SDSSDH3 1T00
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2021-06-09 18:09:57	OD	smartctl -x
2021-06-09 18:09:59	OD	Sector Size:      512 bytes logical/physical
2021-06-09 18:09:59	OD	Rotation Rate:    Solid State Device
2021-06-09 18:09:59	OD	Form Factor:      2.5 inches
2021-06-09 18:10:13	OD	lsblk -D
2021-06-09 18:10:14	OD	NAME           DISC-ALN DISC-GRAN DISC-MAX DISC-ZERO
2021-06-09 18:10:14	OD	sda                   0      512B       2G         0
2021-06-09 18:10:22	kerframil	I see.
2021-06-09 18:10:23	OD	I am 99% sure that dumb luck is why it "mostly works"
2021-06-09 18:10:42	OD	Everything happens to be 8-sector-aligned (8 sectors = 4kib if they're 512 bytes a pop) /anyway/ so the drive is happy
2021-06-09 18:10:46	OD	But when something isn't you get:
2021-06-09 18:11:24	DGMurdockIII	i cant mount my cd or really i dont know what to do
2021-06-09 18:11:29	DGMurdockIII	im on pop os
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2021-06-09 18:11:53	OD	kerframil:
2021-06-09 18:11:53	OD	[208740.851115] ata1: hard resetting link
2021-06-09 18:11:54	OD	[208741.326750] ata1: SATA link up 6.0 Gbps (SStatus 133 SControl 300)
2021-06-09 18:11:54	OD	[208741.329950] ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
2021-06-09 18:11:54	OD	[208741.330012] ata1: EH complete
2021-06-09 18:12:06	kerframil	damn.
2021-06-09 18:12:11	OD	[208740.851089] ata1.00: failed command: WRITE FPDMA QUEUED
2021-06-09 18:12:11	OD	[208740.851101] ata1.00: cmd 61/10:f0:c0:4f:44/00:00:14:00:00/40 tag 30 ncq dma 8192 out
2021-06-09 18:12:11	OD	                         res 40/00:ff:00:00:00/00:00:00:00:00/00 Emask 0x4 (timeout)
2021-06-09 18:12:13	OD	^--before the above
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2021-06-09 18:12:31	OD	I have seen EXPLICTLY an alignment thing mentioned in one of the dmesgs but I can't find it
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2021-06-09 18:13:04	OD	kerframil: got it
2021-06-09 18:13:04	OD	[208671.195682] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 495346840 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 1 pr
2021-06-09 18:13:05	OD	io class 0
2021-06-09 18:13:05	OD	[208671.195729] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#21 FAILED Result: hostbyte=DID_OK driverbyte=DRIVER_SENSE
2021-06-09 18:13:05	OD	[208671.195734] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#21 Sense Key : Illegal Request [current]
2021-06-09 18:13:14	OD	[208671.195739] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#21 Add. Sense: Unaligned write command
2021-06-09 18:13:15	OD	[208671.195744] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] tag#21 CDB: Read(10) 28 00 23 49 53 00 00 00 20 00
2021-06-09 18:13:15	OD	[208671.195749] blk_update_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 592007936 op 0x0:(READ) flags 0x80700 phys_seg 4 pr
2021-06-09 18:13:15	OD	io class 0
2021-06-09 18:13:15	OD	[208671.195782] ata1: EH complete
2021-06-09 18:13:24	OD	"unaligned write command"
2021-06-09 18:13:47	OD	495346840 % 8 == 0 but w/e
2021-06-09 18:14:03	OD	So does 592007936
2021-06-09 18:14:31	OD	so kerframil I'm pretty sure this is the thing - it's gotta be right?
2021-06-09 18:14:44	kerframil	OD: yes, I think you are right.
2021-06-09 18:14:46	OD	It is also the SSDs fault, if you're going to be AF don't get pissy when you get 512 byte requests
2021-06-09 18:14:55	kerframil	yes.
2021-06-09 18:15:18	OD	And also with read-ahead (hdparm -a - 128 as usual) by dumb luck I almost never cause an unaligned activity
2021-06-09 18:15:33	OD	But when I do - this happens and obviously it's not great, like what happens to  stuff in the queues?
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2021-06-09 18:16:05	kerframil	what, indeed. if operations were to be dropped, that would be really bad.
2021-06-09 18:16:20	OD	Durability scares the shit out of me just generally
2021-06-09 18:16:24	OD	But yeah I'd like this fixed
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2021-06-09 18:17:11	OD	Thoughts?
2021-06-09 18:17:21	OD	It's not that big of a deal as it's rare but still - .... not good
2021-06-09 18:17:44	kerframil	nothing useful at present. I'm looking at the kernel to see if there's anything that might be.
2021-06-09 18:17:48	OD	BTW swapping doesn't cause it - this makes me think I'm right as of course a page is 4kib and the partition's aligned
2021-06-09 18:18:05	OD	Unless huge pages work - lol
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2021-06-09 18:19:10	isapgswell	any background service
2021-06-09 18:19:11	isapgswell	that works together integrated onto gnome notifications?
2021-06-09 18:19:11	isapgswell	reading logs and sending alert to logged user?
2021-06-09 18:21:27	isapgswell	about security breaches/violation/privacy
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2021-06-09 18:27:19	isapgswell	gnome notification alert
2021-06-09 18:27:28	kerframil	OD: skimming over drivers/scsi/sd.c, the answer appears to be no, not without invasive patching. there's a function that issues a SCSI READ CAPACITY command and that's where the decision is made as to the physical and logical block size.
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2021-06-09 18:28:04	Lutin	oh noone here went to libera ? :D
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2021-06-09 18:29:46	rascul	#linux on libera has currently 1003 users, many of whom were here or are still here
2021-06-09 18:30:30	omnd	Lutin see the topic, they moved
2021-06-09 18:30:37	rascul	not so
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2021-06-09 18:30:44	rascul	it literally says "We're still here"
2021-06-09 18:30:49	omnd	no
2021-06-09 18:30:51	Lutin	channel is pretty filled tho
2021-06-09 18:31:02	omnd	they say that or otherwise the channel will be seized, rascul
2021-06-09 18:31:09	kerframil	OD: I'd try to bring this up with the kernel people, if I were you. one would think that some concession could be made if this is, indeed, a device quirk.
2021-06-09 18:31:17	omnd	Lutin the other one is more active and supportive
2021-06-09 18:31:20	rascul	also note that many of the ops are still here
2021-06-09 18:31:31	rascul	well some, maybe not many
2021-06-09 18:31:41	omnd	rascul they are for other reasons
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2021-06-09 18:31:46	omnd	they are here*
2021-06-09 18:32:09	rascul	sure, there's plenty of reasons they're still here
2021-06-09 18:32:21	omnd	yes but not for to support
2021-06-09 18:32:26	rascul	you might be surprised
2021-06-09 18:32:30	omnd	yes but not to support
2021-06-09 18:34:16	rascul	i can't help notice that at least one op was doing support here in the last 24 hours
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2021-06-09 18:35:01	rascul	another one was doing support here 2 days ago, and that's all i care to look through logs right now
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2021-06-09 18:36:13	OD	kerframil: so AF drives can be used with 4096 byte sectoring right?
2021-06-09 18:36:19	OD	They just /can/ pretend to be 512 bytes?
2021-06-09 18:36:19	omnd	rascul sure.. also as we speak now, linux on the other side are more active than this one
2021-06-09 18:36:40	OD	rascul: jim's always here
2021-06-09 18:36:43	rascul	yep, it does seem to be more active in general
2021-06-09 18:36:54	rascul	OD i think you're telling the wrong person
2021-06-09 18:37:08	OD	Route the message bro
2021-06-09 18:37:17	kerframil	OD: they can pretend, yeah. I have no idea what happens if one doesn't kowtow to the reported physical block size, though. given the varied and highly complex nature of today's firmware, I wouldn't dare.
2021-06-09 18:37:41	OD	kerframil: I don't know with SATA either - but there are pure 4k devices "(4kn)" right?
2021-06-09 18:37:43	OD	For SATA not SAS
2021-06-09 18:38:15	kerframil	OD: yes, there are.
2021-06-09 18:38:31	OD	So SATA does specify a sector size of some sort
2021-06-09 18:38:32	kerframil	OD: I usually use blockdev --getpbsz to ascertain the kernel's view of the situation.
2021-06-09 18:38:35	OD	Okay so can I do that?
2021-06-09 18:39:07	Lutin	omnd I don't care actualy
2021-06-09 18:39:10	Lutin	*actually
2021-06-09 18:39:24	OD	kerframil:
2021-06-09 18:39:26	OD	RO    RA   SSZ   BSZ   StartSec            Size   Device
2021-06-09 18:39:26	OD	rw   256   512  4096          0   1000204886016   /dev/sda
2021-06-09 18:39:32	OD	FIRST 4096 I've seen
2021-06-09 18:40:04	omnd	Lutin oh! then stay here :D
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2021-06-09 18:40:11	omnd	or go there
2021-06-09 18:40:12	OD	kerframil: sudo blockdev --getpbsz /dev/sda
2021-06-09 18:40:13	OD	512
2021-06-09 18:40:14	omnd	whatever :)
2021-06-09 18:40:16	Lutin	omnd I do
2021-06-09 18:40:25	OD	the fuck?
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2021-06-09 18:40:43	OD	kerframil: that's the right machine - for both of those
2021-06-09 18:42:10	kerframil	OD: yeah, so 512 comes from the READ CAPACITY command, I think. it's not even uncommon.
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2021-06-09 18:42:28	OD	kerframil: first one says 4096 under BSZ (--report) and the 2nd says 512
2021-06-09 18:43:28	kerframil	OD: which command was used to produced BSZ? lsblk?
2021-06-09 18:44:14	OD	kerframil: your thing --report
2021-06-09 18:44:17	kerframil	ah!
2021-06-09 18:44:18	OD	<OD> kerframil:
2021-06-09 18:44:18	OD	<OD> RO    RA   SSZ   BSZ   StartSec            Size   Device
2021-06-09 18:44:18	OD	<OD> rw   256   512  4096          0   1000204886016   /dev/sda
2021-06-09 18:44:29	OD	^-- blockdev --report
2021-06-09 18:44:41	OD	<OD> kerframil: sudo blockdev --getpbsz /dev/sda
2021-06-09 18:44:41	OD	<OD> 512
2021-06-09 18:44:45	OD	Conflicts, no?
2021-06-09 18:44:52	OD	oh p may be physical something
2021-06-09 18:44:55	OD	I don't use this command
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2021-06-09 18:46:46	kerframil	yes, it's physical block size as reported by the device. it's not unusual for devices to lie and report 512 when it isn't the case but, as you say, the firmware ought to be able to handle the consequences without complaint. but this BSZ value is then a surprise to me. I'm not sure how it's inferring that then.
2021-06-09 18:47:40	OD	kerframil: that --report is the first 4096 I've seen
2021-06-09 18:47:51	OD	hdparm/smartctl ect say 512/512 (it's an SSD so automatically a lie)
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2021-06-09 18:48:42	kerframil	OD: ok, I think I can explain that part. the value of BSZ likely corresponds to --getbsz, however ... "This size does not describe device topology. It’s the size used internally by the kernel and it may be modified (for example) by filesystem driver on mount".
2021-06-09 18:48:50	kerframil	so, BSZ can just be ignored.
2021-06-09 18:49:08	kerframil	yes, as you say, it's automatically a lie. but still common.
2021-06-09 18:49:15	kerframil	buggy firmware, I suppose.
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2021-06-09 18:49:24	kerframil	not for reporting 512, but for not coping.
2021-06-09 18:49:37	kerframil	speaking of which, are there any firmware updates available?
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2021-06-09 18:50:41	OD	kerframil: ....probably not
2021-06-09 18:50:46	kerframil	:(
2021-06-09 18:50:57	OD	It's an SSD so fire and forget, different each gen
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2021-06-09 18:51:00	OD	So hope?
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2021-06-09 18:53:31	kerframil	looks like you have to use a windows application to check for and apply firmware updates. honestly, I would arrange for that, if you can. there's always a hope that something may have been fixed.
2021-06-09 18:53:55	OD	kerframil: that's the very definition of "race traitor"
2021-06-09 18:54:06	OD	But seriously I can't get the kernel to deal in some minimum size blocks?
2021-06-09 18:54:18	OD	It basically does anyway that's why it is so rare
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2021-06-09 18:54:55	kerframil	OD: well, ok. but pragmatically, it looks like a firmware defect. they're not exactly unheard of. you want your hardware to work at its best, presumably.
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2021-06-09 18:55:30	kerframil	the physical block size is defined by the device. there is no override mechanism and I'm not even sure how that would work.
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2021-06-09 18:56:33	OD	kerframil: we don't need the kernel to adjust that, just deal in blocks which are aligned
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2021-06-09 18:58:56	kerframil	OD: fixing at that level is above my head, though. I can only suggest to try and bring it up with the block/sd/whatever maintainers to see if there's some viable workaround.
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2021-06-09 18:59:16	OD	If it involves a patch I wouldn't see it for 5 years
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2021-06-09 19:00:06	kerframil	I sympathise but I don't know what else to suggest.
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2021-06-09 19:00:29	kerframil	it really would be best addressed by the drive firmware. I mean, it's a respectable drive.
2021-06-09 19:00:39	kerframil	(looked it up)
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2021-06-09 20:58:06	OD	Okay guys RE the earlier "hack" or mischievous goings on where someone registered nickserv there's a small window of time where nickserv identify commands went to "some guy" - not nickserv (or later a bot the ops put up in +g so it cannot see your messages while they fixed it)
2021-06-09 20:58:34	OD	The timeline is best given here:
2021-06-09 20:58:35	OD	<OD> <rbraun> OD: between 2 and 12 minutes. services split at ~11:28 am EDT, third party was on that nick ~11:38-40, nick was taken by ops at 11:40 am
2021-06-09 20:58:35	OD	<OD> <rbraun> OD: the split lasted another half hour but there was no security risk after 11:40 am EDT
2021-06-09 20:58:40	OD	Later confirmed by ops
2021-06-09 20:58:46	OD	I'd add a few minutes for clock skew
2021-06-09 20:59:21	OD	We've so far not had a global notice, so this is me following up - if you logged in during those times (your client did "/msg nickserv identify [password]") a naughty person got the message not nickserv
2021-06-09 20:59:46	OD	Hope this helps. Me and some friends will be parsing logs to warn the affected - this is a much smaller range than 7 hours before
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2021-06-09 22:16:31	jim	superleaf1995, hi
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2021-06-09 22:28:41	thyriaen	jim, how are you doing ?
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2021-06-09 23:04:54	perhurb1	is there anyone
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2021-06-09 23:05:13	Prestige	perhurb1: ?
2021-06-09 23:05:15	OD	perhurb1: where?
2021-06-09 23:07:58	perhurb1	OD this channel is so quiet
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2021-06-09 23:11:36	OD	perhurb1: well when people have questions it's not
2021-06-09 23:11:55	OD	We can bitch about how quiet it is if you want but I'm already bored :P
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2021-06-09 23:14:43	Mat63	:]
2021-06-09 23:14:48	Prestige	hello
2021-06-09 23:15:08	Mat63	Hi
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2021-06-09 23:28:17	warsoul	https://paste.debian.net/1200640/
2021-06-09 23:28:26	warsoul	can anyone help me with this issue?
2021-06-09 23:28:31	warsoul	my pc restarted by itself
2021-06-09 23:29:09	[R]	warsoul: what are we supposed to see in that paste?
2021-06-09 23:30:15	warsoul	thats my X.org.log
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2021-06-09 23:31:26	warsoul	[R] my pc restarted 2 times
2021-06-09 23:31:33	warsoul	first it freeze
2021-06-09 23:31:36	warsoul	then it restarts
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2021-06-09 23:31:52	[R]	and what does that have to do with your X log?
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2021-06-09 23:37:44	jim	thyriaen, I'm good... and yourself?
2021-06-09 23:38:12	thyriaen	jim, sounds excellent ! :)
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2021-06-09 23:39:02	jim	oh, it is, believe me :)
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2021-06-10 00:09:39	fattredd	I'm looking to use a raspi for a miracast-like remote monitor. I don't have wifi for the direct connection though. Hosts might be windows or linux. Are there any systems out there like that?
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2021-06-10 01:30:07	rindolf	Hi all! Regarding the use of SMS-speak - if one can deduce the meaning from the context, it is best to flow with it. «One friend of mine, who is deaf from an early age, told me that he didn't learn to verbally speak very well because his mother interrupted him whenever he said something wrong, which caused him to lose confidence and become demotivated. This story has implications for speaking with
2021-06-10 01:30:07	rindolf	 people who are learning English or a different foreign language. Try not to interrupt them on every mistake they make, and let them speak with some errors, so they will gain confidence.»
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2021-06-10 01:31:46	rindolf	i gave up on ##french / ##francais because of that
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2021-06-10 01:34:54	rindolf	naturally sometimes i have a hard time understanding people so i request clarification
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2021-06-10 01:43:04	rindolf	saying "u" instead of "you" is unlikely to annihilate the planet, so i suggest fighting for a nobler cause: https://github.com/shlomif/shlomif-tech-diary/blob/master/hydrogen-bombs-are-likely-an-old-intelligence-hoax.asciidoc
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2021-06-10 02:10:47	essiambre	rndlf so u dnt mnd wn ppl dnt wna spl thngs out
2021-06-10 02:11:11	essiambre	cz w cn g thr.
2021-06-10 02:11:39	[R]	essiambre: reminds me of that slashdot article from like 20 years ago that said if the first and last letter are right, but the letters in the middle are mixed up, you've still got a pretty good chance of understanding whats being said
2021-06-10 02:12:01	essiambre	takes longer
2021-06-10 02:12:23	rindolf	essiambre: there are extreme cases
2021-06-10 02:12:59	essiambre	sa?
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2021-06-10 02:13:54	DLange	rindolf: there's a difference between an error and somebody too lazy to type out words and thus making comprehension more difficult for (nearly) everybody else
2021-06-10 02:14:36	rindolf	essiambre: i'd rather ppl not write in the king's english either
2021-06-10 02:15:01	DLange	people, not ppl. Exactly this lazyness.
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2021-06-10 02:15:26	essiambre	"Ppl" are idiots.
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2021-06-10 02:16:23	rindolf	DLange: how did you know that? maybe i could have meant 'pouuupoolaaa'!
2021-06-10 02:16:42	rindolf	DLange: and it is 'laziness'
2021-06-10 02:16:50	DLange	if you were using proper English spelling, nobody would have to guess
2021-06-10 02:17:08	DLange	and that is an example of correcting an error that need not be corrected :)
2021-06-10 02:17:38	rindolf	essiambre: i think that people are smart
2021-06-10 02:17:57	rindolf	DLange: neither is 'ppl' :P
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2021-06-10 02:20:07	rindolf	if help is requested, then bring it on: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Muppets-Show-TNI/Summer-Glau-and-Chuck-Norris.html [self-promotion, bitches!]
2021-06-10 02:20:35	essiambre	rinolf why are you yere
2021-06-10 02:20:37	essiambre	here
2021-06-10 02:22:22	rindolf	essiambre: why not? i have ##linux on autojoin
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2021-06-10 02:23:44	essiambre	but all you want to do is fight about rules
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2021-06-10 02:25:53	rindolf	occasionally i try to answer tech questions or engage in distributions/editors/WMs/etc. "wars"
2021-06-10 02:26:43	essiambre	pointless
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2021-06-10 02:30:06	LissajousPattern	I just wish I could figure out how to copy pasta files into a VM
2021-06-10 02:30:14	rindolf	essiambre: I am trying to improve ##linux and make it more popular and s/rules/guidelines/ : https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/culture/case-for-commercial-fan-fiction/indiv-nodes/guidelines_as_dogma.xhtml
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2021-06-10 02:30:57	essiambre	don't care about your hallucinations
2021-06-10 02:30:57	rindolf	LissajousPattern: use an http / https service?
2021-06-10 02:31:26	essiambre	LissajousPattern: what vm
2021-06-10 02:31:42	LissajousPattern	VirtualBox
2021-06-10 02:32:01	essiambre	what kind of copy noodles do you want
2021-06-10 02:32:09	LissajousPattern	all
2021-06-10 02:32:15	rindolf	essiambre: i'm not hallucinating and you do care
2021-06-10 02:32:22	essiambre	shared clipboard, shared directories
2021-06-10 02:32:26	LissajousPattern	all
2021-06-10 02:32:31	LissajousPattern	Seriously
2021-06-10 02:32:44	rindolf	essiambre: "noodles"?
2021-06-10 02:32:49	essiambre	seriously that's how i do it, shared clipboard and shared directories
2021-06-10 02:33:05	LissajousPattern	How do you share directories?
2021-06-10 02:33:20	LissajousPattern	I tried it and it told me permission denied
2021-06-10 02:33:42	essiambre	https://helpdeskgeek.com/virtualization/virtualbox-share-folder-host-guest/
2021-06-10 02:33:46	rindolf	LissajousPattern: webdav ?
2021-06-10 02:33:57	LissajousPattern	Yes
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2021-06-10 02:50:49	rindolf	LissajousPattern: any luck?
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2021-06-10 03:02:57	kristian_on_linu	cheers
2021-06-10 03:03:18	kristian_on_linu	looking for a piece of software like eog that will let me add text to images
2021-06-10 03:03:49	kristian_on_linu	it's essential that I can just click "next image" to move onward
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2021-06-10 03:11:13	essiambre	kristian_on_linu: can imagemagick not do that
2021-06-10 03:11:29	kristian_on_linu	essiambre, hurm, that's possible
2021-06-10 03:11:54	kristian_on_linu	I just find the imagemagick viewer very old fashioned, and not in the good way
2021-06-10 03:12:07	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: hi
2021-06-10 03:12:18	kristian_on_linu	hi rindolf :D
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2021-06-10 03:12:46	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: are you a coder?
2021-06-10 03:12:54	kristian_on_linu	not really
2021-06-10 03:13:36	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: ah, then learn: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=quora-learning-to-drum-at-65
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2021-06-10 03:14:03	kristian_on_linu	maybe when I'm 65 ;)
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2021-06-10 03:16:29	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: you can try even earlier :P
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2021-06-10 03:18:13	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: i've seen you on freenode for years
2021-06-10 03:18:25	kristian_on_linu	yeah, I'm one of the survivors
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2021-06-10 03:18:56	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: there's a limit to how needy a noncoder can be
2021-06-10 03:19:18	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: there's a limit to how much needy a noncoder can be
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2021-06-10 03:20:27	kristian_on_linu	what do you mean=?
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2021-06-10 03:21:50	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: there's a limit to how much needy a noncoder can be. you could've learned how to program a long time ago.
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2021-06-10 03:22:23	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: there's a limit to how much needy a noncoder can be. you could've learned how to program a long time ago. “The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time to plant a tree is now.”
2021-06-10 03:24:25	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: you can also learn basic python skills in a few days
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2021-06-10 03:29:56	kristian_on_linu	maybe, but that's hardly relevant to my search for an image viewer that lets me browse AND edit?
2021-06-10 03:30:20	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: btw, i believe freenode is very popular
2021-06-10 03:30:32	kristian_on_linu	irc in general is dying
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2021-06-10 03:31:51	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: you can tweak an existing viewer: http://shlomifishswiki.branchable.com/Self-Sufficiency/
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2021-06-10 03:33:11	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: irc is not dying. begone, mind clouding devils!
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2021-06-10 03:34:42	essiambre	he said in general
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2021-06-10 03:36:33	kristian_on_linu	rindolf, I have a deadline, so that's not really relevant
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2021-06-10 03:37:31	rindolf	essiambre: kristian_on_linu: irc is not dying at all - not "in general"; not freenode; not in the land of jackalopes. begone, mind clouding devils!
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2021-06-10 03:37:51	kristian_on_linu	look at number of users now vs. 20 years ago
2021-06-10 03:37:55	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: then you're screwed
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2021-06-10 03:38:13	kristian_on_linu	you're not being very helpful today, rindolf :p
2021-06-10 03:38:31	essiambre	must be in a fugue state
2021-06-10 03:38:38	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: you're being a leech
2021-06-10 03:38:48	rindolf	essiambre: fugue?
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2021-06-10 03:40:06	rindolf	kristian_on_linu: see https://github.com/shlomif/shlomif-tech-diary/blob/master/why-the-so-called-real-world-i-am-trapped-in-makes-little-sense--2020-05-19.asciidoc
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2021-06-10 03:40:43	essiambre	rindolf take your plugs to someplace else
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2021-06-10 03:41:33	rindolf	essiambre: my "plugs"? and you're censoring me
2021-06-10 03:42:11	essiambre	you keep linking to things from your own site
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2021-06-10 03:42:50	rindolf	essiambre: so? they are gratis
2021-06-10 03:43:08	rindolf	essiambre: and free content
2021-06-10 03:43:16	essiambre	don't care they're also nothing to do with inlux
2021-06-10 03:43:20	essiambre	linux
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2021-06-10 03:44:56	rindolf	essiambre: they do. everything is connected: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GibiNy4d4gc
2021-06-10 03:46:21	rindolf	essiambre: and i have stuff on more than one site
2021-06-10 03:46:21	essiambre	dlange jim lose this idiot
2021-06-10 03:47:17	rindolf	essiambre: how much is 2 * 5?
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2021-06-10 03:48:28	 *	rindolf is waiting
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2021-06-10 03:50:13	rindolf	hint: 2 * 80 = 160
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2021-06-10 03:52:52	 *	rindolf could answer these questions when he was 13
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2021-06-10 03:56:28	rindolf	essiambre: you seem like an idiot to me.
2021-06-10 03:56:56	rindolf	:P
2021-06-10 03:58:09	OD	rindolf m8, you're an acquired taste.
2021-06-10 03:58:24	rindolf	OD: i iz! ;)
2021-06-10 03:59:16	rindolf	OD: can you answer these questions?
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2021-06-10 04:00:21	rindolf	OD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8C1-igfniM
2021-06-10 04:00:40	OD	You know my Youtube policy
2021-06-10 04:01:43	rindolf	OD: i didnt recall it, and now recall you're a mirage
2021-06-10 04:01:56	 *	OD thumbs up
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2021-06-10 04:06:25	questi	hi :)
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2021-06-10 04:08:12	questi	:P
2021-06-10 04:08:30	questi	hi
2021-06-10 04:08:49	wigums	hi
2021-06-10 04:09:13	questi	how's things in linux land?
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2021-06-10 04:09:26	wigums	linuxy
2021-06-10 04:09:48	questi	sounds fine :)
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2021-06-10 04:20:33	jim	essiambre, in the future, please do -not- create so much hostile noise on ##linux, instead, either go to ##linux-ops and make a complaint there, or else go to irc.libera.chat on #linux-ops (one #, not two) to look for us. A lot of us have gone to libera
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2021-06-10 04:20:57	godSend23	hey all
2021-06-10 04:21:01	jim	hi
2021-06-10 04:21:23	jim	questi, hi
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2021-06-10 04:22:29	godSend23	hi jim
2021-06-10 04:22:43	godSend23	what r ur thoughts on 3d interfaces and/or augment 3d
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2021-06-10 04:23:58	jim	well I've never actually seen them or tried them out... also, please use 'are your', not 'r ur'
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2021-06-10 04:24:43	godSend23	oh alright
2021-06-10 04:25:58	questi	guys I am in Madrid and 99.9999% of people are wearing masks even in out of town small forest... lol
2021-06-10 04:26:12	questi	distopian future if partly now here xd
2021-06-10 04:26:53	godSend23	what the?!
2021-06-10 04:27:01	godSend23	what are they afraid of
2021-06-10 04:27:01	questi	yep
2021-06-10 04:27:41	questi	i will try to ask today , learning more spanish lol
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2021-06-10 04:28:50	godSend23	good deal
2021-06-10 04:28:54	godSend23	study abroad?
2021-06-10 04:29:28	questi	well since I am here may as well learn
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2021-06-10 04:30:17	questi	thing is spaniards are usually very extroverted yet it is tough to talk in a mask all the time so hmm
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2021-06-10 04:30:40	dtables	Hi there
2021-06-10 04:31:29	dtables	Is somebody here using ed25519 ssh keys?
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2021-06-10 04:32:27	questi	its comical - in one of the largest shopping malls - signs say there    no soap in a male toilet xd
2021-06-10 04:32:34	questi	why masks and no soap! lol
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2021-06-10 04:33:31	dtables	I am confused when I use ed25519 ssh key the server presents the fingerprint of the ecdsa key. Does somebody know why this happens?
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2021-06-10 04:36:05	godSend23	yes i get u questi
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2021-06-10 04:36:27	godSend23	no soap omg
2021-06-10 04:36:48	godSend23	what's so special about those keeys dtables ?
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2021-06-10 04:37:40	dtables	I thought if I use ed25519 it would present me the ed25519 fingerprint. But ecdsa seems to be used
2021-06-10 04:38:06	dtables	Thought I would try upgrading my rsa key to ed25519
2021-06-10 04:38:21	dtables	Just want to make sure I know what is going on when verifying a new host
2021-06-10 04:39:21	godSend23	hmm ok
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2021-06-10 04:39:40	borisrunak	I am using `ssh -D 1080 localhost -t ssh -R 1080:localhost:1080 ip_of_no_net` to give internet access to a server. however trying to install a jupyter notebook extension with`jupyter labextension install @jupyter-widgets/jupyterlab-manager` I get : URLError(gaierror(-3, 'Temporary failure in name resolution')). Any ideas ?
2021-06-10 04:39:46	questi	ok its a linux channel so one of the last bits - on a bus to said shopping malls, no cards can be used to pay for a ticket, ticket machine does not sell ticket to a mall when stop is selected, attendant says o o well just pay cash, in mall atm charges 5 euro to withdraw cash lol 20 min walk to get to the free atm, in the bus terminus after asking more what is going on answer is wear mask lol
2021-06-10 04:40:58	dtables	ECDSA stands for elliptic curve digital signature algorithm, and ed25519 is the name of a specific signature algorithm
2021-06-10 04:41:15	godSend23	wow very neat
2021-06-10 04:41:19	dtables	But on my host I have fingerprint for both ECDSA and ED25519 so I am a bit confused
2021-06-10 04:41:31	godSend23	why do u need two?
2021-06-10 04:42:31	dtables	This is the default for Ubuntu 20.04
2021-06-10 04:42:44	dtables	I am not sure why there are both so therefore I am asking
2021-06-10 04:43:13	dtables	So why does it present me the ECDSA one when connecting for the first time with an ed25519 key?
2021-06-10 04:47:23	godSend23	ooh ic
2021-06-10 04:47:40	godSend23	hopefully this same thing doesn't exist on debian'
2021-06-10 04:47:52	godSend23	i mean the aksing the for the keys
2021-06-10 04:48:00	godSend23	not the security
2021-06-10 04:48:59	fsg	borisrunak: you sure that package installer is capable of using a socks proxy?
2021-06-10 04:50:19	dtables	But when i run ssh with verbose flags it still uses the ed25519 key
2021-06-10 04:50:41	borisrunak	fsg: with tcpdump -i en0 tcp port 22 -v, I see traffic on the inet_machine when the the package installer is trying to install the extension
2021-06-10 04:52:17	borisrunak	will try now with this https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51267124/jupyterlab-plotly-extension-wont-install
2021-06-10 04:53:34	borisrunak	still the same
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2021-06-10 04:55:17	fsg	borisrunak: if you can, try to test that port forwarding with curl on the host without connectivity then you'll be sure if your ssh setup is ok
2021-06-10 04:56:03	borisrunak	fsg: I have set apt to be installed using this socks proxy which works ok
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2021-06-10 04:56:35	borisrunak	also tried to install jupyterlab extension with proxychains
2021-06-10 04:57:36	borisrunak	it seems that there is a problem with DNS
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2021-06-10 04:58:03	borisrunak	the debug logs of jupyterlab are : |DNS-request| registry.npmjs.org
2021-06-10 04:58:03	borisrunak	|DNS-response|: registry.npmjs.org does not exist
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2021-06-10 04:59:00	Schrostfutz	Hi, what's the purpose of the {passwd,shadow,group,gshadow}- files?
2021-06-10 04:59:52	fsg	borisrunak: can the host resolv dns without the proxy?
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2021-06-10 05:00:21	borisrunak	the host you mean the machine without inet ?
2021-06-10 05:00:26	fsg	yes
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2021-06-10 05:01:10	borisrunak	curl --head https://google.com
2021-06-10 05:01:11	borisrunak	curl: (6) Could not resolve host: google.com
2021-06-10 05:01:33	borisrunak	however, proxychains curl --head https://google.com works
2021-06-10 05:02:01	borisrunak	but `proxychains jupyter labextension install @jupyter-widgets/jupyterlab-manager` does not
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2021-06-10 05:02:39	fsg	borisrunak: try to se a local dns resolver and put it in /etc/resolv.conf
2021-06-10 05:02:50	fsg	to set*
2021-06-10 05:02:52	rouji	Schrostfutz: they should all have manpages
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2021-06-10 05:03:12	borisrunak	put what in /etc/resolv.conf fsg ?
2021-06-10 05:03:45	Schrostfutz	rouji: The files without the '-' suffix do, but not those with the suffix
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2021-06-10 05:05:17	fsg	borisrunak: a dns server ip address that your host could use and reach locally
2021-06-10 05:05:36	rouji	oh right
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2021-06-10 05:05:58	borisrunak	fsg: /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver 1.1.1.1 , nameserver 1.0.0.1 ,nameserver 127.0.0.53
2021-06-10 05:06:25	rouji	I think they're just backup files created by useradd etc.
2021-06-10 05:06:32	borisrunak	but the only nameserver that should really work, is 127.0.0.1, i.e. the machine that shares it's inet connection fsg
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2021-06-10 05:09:30	fsg	borisrunak: the package installer is not using the proxy for dns, so you'll have to be able to use a local resolver and see if it works
2021-06-10 05:10:15	Schrostfutz	rouji: Ah, thanks
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2021-06-10 05:12:49	borisrunak	I have installed resolvconf but there I have 1.1.1.1 and 1.0.0.1.
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2021-06-10 05:13:20	fsg	borisrunak: but they are not resolving
2021-06-10 05:13:30	borisrunak	maybe I should I use 127.0.0.1 fsg ?
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2021-06-10 05:15:11	fsg	borisrunak: no, you'll need to use the address of a different host that has internet access and a dns caching resolver listening
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2021-06-10 05:16:06	fsg	borisrunak: in the connected machine you'll install a caching dns and on the non-connected insert its address in /etc/resolv.conf
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2021-06-10 05:21:03	borisrunak	ok let me try
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2021-06-10 05:21:30	fsg	borisrunak: also did you try to use tsocks?
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2021-06-10 05:36:25	sumthing1980	hello any btrfs experts here?
2021-06-10 05:39:27	borisrunak	fsg: sorry afk brbr
2021-06-10 05:40:22	sumthing1980	 I formatted a drive to BTRFS is there anything else I need to do to optimize it
2021-06-10 05:40:38	sumthing1980	like compression and such
2021-06-10 05:40:47	borisrunak	fsg: dsn caching something like squid ?
2021-06-10 05:41:06	borisrunak	and yes I tried tsocks without any luck
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2021-06-10 05:42:43	fsg	borisrunak: not really, something like dnsmasq
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2021-06-10 05:44:40	borisrunak	k let me try
2021-06-10 05:45:20	borisrunak	oh it seems I am using systemd-resolv
2021-06-10 05:47:01	borisrunak	but will try dnsmasq
2021-06-10 05:48:28	borisrunak	please forgive my ignorance , but isn't there a way to get dns through the ssh tunnel I have created ?
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2021-06-10 05:52:05	fsg	borisrunak: that is the correct way, but that specific package installer  is not doing it
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2021-06-10 05:58:46	thecakeisalie	I have a folder full of folders containing cloned git repositories. How do I loop over them und just do git pull? I tried with "for $folder in $(ls); do cd $folder && git pull && cd ..; done" but it seems like it doesn't go back a step or something
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2021-06-10 06:00:20	thecakeisalie	I take back the question, apparently I screwed up something before, now it works as expected. Thanks for reading
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2021-06-10 06:15:00	dtables	Hi there
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2021-06-10 06:23:57	deicide-	anyone is using qbittorent?
2021-06-10 06:24:33	BWestOz	I'm having a problem trying to install linux on an old intel d945 mb box. The installer fails to see the HD. Any helpful suggestions appreciated
2021-06-10 06:24:50	sorcerer	i use qbittorrent
2021-06-10 06:24:54	sorcerer	my fav of the torrent clients
2021-06-10 06:26:00	deicide-	sorcerer i just lost all my torrents after an update, is there a way to restore them?
2021-06-10 06:27:01	sorcerer	find the .torrents on your system then Load them in qbittorrent i would guess, never had that issue though, so its just a guess
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2021-06-10 06:56:26	borisrunak	fsg: installed dnsmasq I see dns requests to the machine_with_inet but I get the same behaviour on the machine_without_inet
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2021-06-10 06:59:21	fsg	borisrunak: did you configure the non-connected host /etc/resolv.conf?
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2021-06-10 06:59:51	fsg	borisrunak: try a dig -A www.google.com in there
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2021-06-10 07:00:03	borisrunak	ok let me try
2021-06-10 07:00:38	borisrunak	got -A invalid option for dig fsg
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2021-06-10 07:01:04	fsg	sorry, just take out the -A
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2021-06-10 07:01:32	borisrunak	let me start dnsmasq on the inet_machine
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2021-06-10 07:12:44	borisrunak	connection timeout with dig fsg
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2021-06-10 07:16:48	borisrunak	with proxychains dig www.google.com , I get |DNS-response|: ::1 does not exist
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2021-06-10 07:18:49	fsg	borisrunak: did you change the /etc/resolv.conf?
2021-06-10 07:19:30	borisrunak	the /etc/resolv.conf points to the IP of the machine_with_inet
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2021-06-10 07:21:57	fsg	borisrunak: make sure dnsmasq is working on your inet machine
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2021-06-10 07:22:54	borisrunak	also `sudo tcpdump -i en0 tcp port 53 -v` indicates that I get dns requests when `dig www.google.com` from no_inet machine
2021-06-10 07:23:08	borisrunak	k let me check dnsmasq again
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2021-06-10 07:23:20	borisrunak	btw just followed this https://linuxhint.com/dnsmasq-ubuntu-tutorial/
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2021-06-10 07:25:25	borisrunak	maybe this part : `prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;` from the article ?
2021-06-10 07:25:40	fsg	borisrunak: that tutorial is telling you to listen on loopback only, you need to put the local inet machine ip address on listen-address
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2021-06-10 07:26:58	borisrunak	`isten-address=127.0.0.1,no_inet_ip_address`
2021-06-10 07:27:18	borisrunak	listen-address* on dnsmasq.conf
2021-06-10 07:28:32	fsg	just put listen-address=ip.of.your.inet
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2021-06-10 07:33:54	borisrunak	inet_machine_ipaddress
2021-06-10 07:33:59	borisrunak	you mean this ?
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2021-06-10 07:35:41	fsg	borisrunak: you need to put the ip address of your server, the one which the non connected machine can reach
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2021-06-10 07:36:37	borisrunak	let me try
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2021-06-10 07:41:00	_Ev	I'm using a static IP for my WAN on pfsense and can't get LAN to talk to modem (10.0.0.1). Bypasses and uses static IP gateway. Do I need a NAT outboud rule for LAN to 10.0.0.1?
2021-06-10 07:41:13	fsg	borisrunak: check the your ips with ip -br a
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2021-06-10 07:43:57	borisrunak	fsg: can I pm you ( in ca 15 min ) ?
2021-06-10 07:44:23	fsg	yes
2021-06-10 07:44:35	sumthing1980	hello is there such a thing as vpn compression that can make my internet download faster for html files for example
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2021-06-10 07:53:49	Benzi-Junior	Hey,  how do I turn on dynamic_debug for a file ?
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2021-06-10 08:03:57	_Ev	I'm using a static IP for my WAN on pfsense and can't get LAN to talk to modem (10.0.0.1). Bypasses and uses static IP gateway. Do I need a NAT outboud rule for LAN to 10.0.0.1?  (sorry for double post; lost internet not sure if someone posted answer)
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2021-06-10 09:21:13	dtables	Does someone here know a bit more about connnectin with rsync to a storage box that does not have a remote shell or similar?
2021-06-10 09:21:44	dtables	Basically I have access with sftp and I can send files via ssh but I cannot actually log in to the storage box
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2021-06-10 09:22:21	dtables	But using rsync still does not work correctly somehow without password
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2021-06-10 09:36:58	ice9	can "kill -9" cmd have multiple pids at once?
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2021-06-10 10:42:40	jim	ice9, I don't think so... and, you should be careful with a -9 kill, because it doesn't allow the process to clean up after itself
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2021-06-10 11:02:00	rascul	ice9 it can
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2021-06-10 11:02:19	rascul	-9 is last resort though when other options are exhausted
2021-06-10 11:02:32	rascul	because of what jim said
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2021-06-10 11:03:09	rascul	also note that some shells provide a builtin kill command which differs from /bin/kill
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2021-06-10 11:07:48	lockywolf	Can someone point me to a manual that explains how to make a partition layout that would boot on both BIOS and EFI systems?
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2021-06-10 11:13:51	rascul	lockywolf just a typical mbr scheme should work, i recall that uefi can boot mbr (maybe in legacy mode or something)
2021-06-10 11:14:06	rascul	if you use gpt then older bios might not know about it and you'll need the grub boot partition i believe
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2021-06-10 11:32:59	MrElendig	that is more to do with the post mbr gap being taken by gpt
2021-06-10 11:33:05	MrElendig	nothing to do with the bios itself
2021-06-10 11:33:17	MrElendig	(and grub being to fat to fit in the mbr)
2021-06-10 11:34:02	MrElendig	can still embed grub post-mbr, but it is simpler to just make a partition to keep it on
2021-06-10 11:34:03	rascul	oh i put my words slightly wrong
2021-06-10 11:35:15	rascul	i meant "if you use gpt then older bios might not know about it, also if you use gpt you'll need the boot partition"
2021-06-10 11:35:47	rascul	i probably should have also added you'll need the partition if you use grub, i'm not aware of other bootloaders requiring it
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2021-06-10 11:37:03	rascul	pretty sure you know this stuff better than i do MrElendig so maybe if lockywolf happens to come back and ask more questions you'll be available to answer also
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2021-06-10 11:44:31	triceratux	matrix is exactly like systemd. "it has to work the fedora guys have been using it for years already" :)
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2021-06-10 11:45:11	rascul	maybe one day matrix will interest me but so far it has not
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2021-06-10 11:49:18	triceratux	its cool running element.io on the handset & watching the previewed urls scroll by. wouldnt use it for anything strategic
2021-06-10 11:49:25	jjakob	it has the problem of being developed by webdevs so bloat is constant and there are many problems with slowness and management of the servers
2021-06-10 11:49:48	jjakob	also the protocol is inefficient
2021-06-10 11:50:05	jjakob	not inherently but the way it's being used
2021-06-10 11:50:14	triceratux	yep & it only gets weirder with the appserver:matrix thingies
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2021-06-10 11:55:43	triceratux	as a user of the bridges, i often have to terminate the client &/or signout & in again to get the stale connections to go away. which is fine because some of the channel invites dont appear for 10min or longer
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2021-06-10 12:14:52	porky	please remind me of the terminal partition tool that's not parted or fdisk
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2021-06-10 12:19:51	porky	thanks! for some reason I always forget the name of that app :|
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2021-06-10 12:24:26	Intruder777	Hi. Can anyone tell what set of tools is used to achieve such colored autocompletion like on this animation: https://warehouse-camo.ingress.cmh1.psfhosted.org/f11dcb2bbf438a5150135b2718774b1272b5f646/68747470733a2f2f676973742e67697468756275736572636f6e74656e742e636f6d2f6a6c75736b2f38353564363131626263666132623135393833396462373364303766366365392f7261772f376635373433343031383039663765363330656538666634353866616139383065313939323461302f7069
2021-06-10 12:24:26	Intruder777	70656e762e676966
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2021-06-10 12:27:01	Intruder777	sorry, here is shorter link: https://imgur.com/wuYozd3
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2021-06-10 12:32:51	oxek	Intruder777: looks like zsh to me
2021-06-10 12:32:59	oxek	since it is a mac device, and zsh is default there
2021-06-10 12:33:25	Intruder777	oxek: any idea what can be the alternative for linux? (centos or debian)
2021-06-10 12:33:33	oxek	Intruder777: zsh exists for linux as well
2021-06-10 12:33:43	Intruder777	oxek: ah, I see, thx
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2021-06-10 12:42:14	abckb__	Hi I am on Xubuntu 20.04 . My laptop hibernates fine when not many apps are open, but fails (fan keeps spinning) when firefox with a few tabs are open. RAM size = 8GB, Swap partition size = 12GB. Please help!
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2021-06-10 12:57:44	SmashingX	Hello everyone, does anyone know of a open source software that can analyze data based on httpd, gives the source IPs, the pages that are visited, how many times, etc.
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2021-06-10 13:01:21	djph	SmashingX: like ... reading the logfile?
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2021-06-10 13:02:33	SmashingX	I have the logfile, I just would like to load it to a software that can read from that file and analyze the data in them.
2021-06-10 13:03:16	SmashingX	output a report with that info.
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2021-06-10 13:03:34	essiambre	smashingx hows your programming skills
2021-06-10 13:04:01	SmashingX	essiambre: I don't understand what that has to do with that.
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2021-06-10 13:06:57	oxek	abckb__: probably means that swap is already too full to fit contents of RAM
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2021-06-10 13:11:45	abckb__	oxek: okay! Any idea how to tell it to overwrite?
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2021-06-10 13:12:22	essiambre	SmashingX: dont know of anything do what you want probably gotta code something up
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2021-06-10 13:14:19	cart_man	jjakob: Hey how are you? I am having some issues getting pidstat on Ubuntu
2021-06-10 13:14:32	jjakob	cart_man: hi
2021-06-10 13:14:45	cart_man	Is it a package one must install? I know Distros remove some good tools these days
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2021-06-10 13:14:53	cart_man	Ok found it
2021-06-10 13:15:03	cart_man	Lol its sysstat
2021-06-10 13:15:18	cart_man	Why do Distros remove these tools?
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2021-06-10 13:15:41	jjakob	they're not really absolutely necessary
2021-06-10 13:15:55	jjakob	so it makes sense to make them optional
2021-06-10 13:16:17	jjakob	better to include less and have sers install what they want instead of installing everything possible
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2021-06-10 13:20:41	questi	https://www.thelocal.es/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/000_1S89RC-613x431.jpg
2021-06-10 13:20:53	questi	propaganda yet... xd
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2021-06-10 13:22:49	cart_man	jjakob: So I checked out this command you gave me for pidstat
2021-06-10 13:22:53	cart_man	sudo pidstat -h -G quasselcore | awk 'BEGIN {OFS=","} {if (NR > 3) print $5,$6,$7,$8,$9}' >> test.txt
2021-06-10 13:23:08	cart_man	thing is... how do I get it to continuesly feed to file
2021-06-10 13:23:20	cart_man	and will it have nextlines for each iteration
2021-06-10 13:23:24	cart_man	of data recording
2021-06-10 13:24:14	jjakob	wrap that in while true; do stuff; sleep 5; done
2021-06-10 13:24:22	cart_man	also how do I target a certin pid?
2021-06-10 13:24:26	cart_man	ahh script
2021-06-10 13:24:32	jjakob	how granular do you want the data?
2021-06-10 13:24:38	cart_man	shit my bad ok
2021-06-10 13:24:46	jjakob	read pidstat man page, -p <pid>
2021-06-10 13:25:20	jjakob	also that makes you a txt file with csv data
2021-06-10 13:25:49	jjakob	if you want to feed it into rrdtool you need to read up on how to do that
2021-06-10 13:25:58	jjakob	cause I never used rrdtool
2021-06-10 13:26:20	jjakob	but I imagine you can feed it csv into stdin, maybe even through a pipe continuously
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2021-06-10 13:28:33	cart_man	jjakob: Nah Ill rather gather it as CSV and then load it into a rrdtool type.
2021-06-10 13:28:51	jjakob	does it even make sense to reinvent the wheel
2021-06-10 13:29:04	jjakob	I'm sure there is something that already does this
2021-06-10 13:29:10	jjakob	using rrdtool for sure
2021-06-10 13:29:56	cart_man	jjakob: ive been trying to get something for a while now. I found a really good looking UI tool but its not freeware
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2021-06-10 13:31:16	jjakob	https://oss.oetiker.ch/rrdtool/rrdworld/index.en.html
2021-06-10 13:31:25	jjakob	cart_man: there are several here
2021-06-10 13:31:28	jjakob	collectd
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2021-06-10 13:32:26	jjakob	munin
2021-06-10 13:34:20	jjakob	god I wish more people used rrdtool instead of these bloated influxdb//telegraf/grafana things
2021-06-10 13:35:15	jjakob	I tried installing influxdb/telegraf/grafana on a rpi3B and it started to crash cause influxdb maxed out the 1GB memory
2021-06-10 13:35:32	jjakob	that was a whole weeks long waste of time
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2021-06-10 13:35:56	jjakob	hurr durr buy a rpi4, just throw money at it
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2021-06-10 13:36:57	jjakob	should have stuck to my roots of when I installed rrdtool to monitor my router as a kid back in 2005
2021-06-10 13:38:21	jjakob	most people don't need all the power influxdb and grafana give them, they're not monitoring a whole datacenter, just one or a few devices
2021-06-10 13:39:41	cart_man	jjakob: Seems like collectd does exactly what I want including RRD files
2021-06-10 13:39:45	cart_man	no brainer
2021-06-10 13:39:55	cart_man	But believe it or not I couldnt hit that on google
2021-06-10 13:40:05	cart_man	all I got was purchaseable stuff
2021-06-10 13:40:37	essiambre	i hear google can be loaded
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2021-06-10 13:42:40	jjakob	yeah, I see that now
2021-06-10 13:42:41	RayTracer	jjakob: you could maybe use whisper/carbon/graphite at least those don't fill my rpi3
2021-06-10 13:43:12	SmashingX	essiambre: I don't think that software will be easi to build from scratch, it's going to be very complex
2021-06-10 13:43:28	SmashingX	besides, there's already some software that does that like AWStats for example.
2021-06-10 13:43:39	jjakob	influx started crashing when compacting after I enabled more metrics in telegraf, but only the basic system metrics
2021-06-10 13:43:40	SmashingX	*easy
2021-06-10 13:43:59	SmashingX	I don't think it would be smart to reinvent the wheel.
2021-06-10 13:44:23	jjakob	there's a known bug about compaction related memory usage
2021-06-10 13:44:48	jjakob	the more data you have in a amount of time the more memory it uses when compacting
2021-06-10 13:44:57	 *	rascul invents an octagon wheel
2021-06-10 13:45:07	jjakob	and it exceeded 1GB even by collecting telegraf data of just one host
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2021-06-10 13:59:28	cart_man	jjakob: Thanks for the help man!
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2021-06-10 14:33:24	simbaclaws	does anyone know how I can convert a text file of any format into an audio file via /dev/audio then have another device record the audio and convert it back to the text file?
2021-06-10 14:33:51	rascul	text to speech and speech to text
2021-06-10 14:34:04	simbaclaws	I'm not talking about speech
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2021-06-10 14:34:22	simbaclaws	I'm talking about: doas cat myfile.txt  | padsp tee /dev/audio > /dev/null
2021-06-10 14:34:23	rascul	oh
2021-06-10 14:34:30	simbaclaws	and then record it
2021-06-10 14:34:36	simbaclaws	and put it back into myfile.txt
2021-06-10 14:35:32	simbaclaws	I don't suppose I can cut off the ends and change the extension to a txt and be done with it right?
2021-06-10 14:35:32	rascul	i suspect there is a way but you would have to know exactly how the data is being transformed to audio in order to reverse it, i'm not aware of any tool that exists to do it (but there could be something)
2021-06-10 14:35:51	simbaclaws	yeah I would like to find out how I can accomplish this
2021-06-10 14:35:54	essiambre	also be aware lossy sampling
2021-06-10 14:36:08	jjakob	rascul: an octagon is a pretty close approximation to a circle
2021-06-10 14:36:23	rascul	my grandfather way back in the day used to backup his 8086 in a similar method to cassette tape using some software he had written
2021-06-10 14:36:24	RayTracer	simbaclaws: so you want steganography? check https://0xrick.github.io/lists/stego/
2021-06-10 14:36:26	jjakob	depending on your requirements
2021-06-10 14:36:39	simbaclaws	jjakob a square too, it's just about how much detail you want to get :P
2021-06-10 14:36:56	simbaclaws	Thank you RayTracer
2021-06-10 14:37:33	simbaclaws	that is exactly what I was looking for
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2021-06-10 14:39:42	simbaclaws	hmmm maybe steghide is able to do this
2021-06-10 14:40:08	simbaclaws	I want to send configuration files over audio
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2021-06-10 14:43:04	RayTracer	it's probably not optimized for that use case :)
2021-06-10 14:43:10	Nickwiz	What do you mean by "send" in that context?
2021-06-10 14:43:59	Nickwiz	As in play it back and use mic to record and decipher?
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2021-06-10 14:44:21	z1haze	can i change the comment on my ssh key without messing anything up?
2021-06-10 14:44:39	RayTracer	z1haze: it's possible
2021-06-10 14:45:39	z1haze	just via an editor or does it need to be done via some ssh tool?
2021-06-10 14:45:48	z1haze	im just wondering if that comment actually has anything to do with the key itself
2021-06-10 14:46:28	RayTracer	an editor is sufficient. No, it's just comment, eg. ssh-copy-id will put the file name in there
2021-06-10 14:46:42	z1haze	awesome, thanks much
2021-06-10 14:48:05	Nickwiz	You could look into modulation as well (as in old modems) ...
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2021-06-10 15:25:47	Nickwiz	Thought systemd journal was to be a collection, and old logs kept. On my system it is (mostly) like this. But from looks of things it seems like they drop more and more text logs (newer releases then mine) ... is this accurate?
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2021-06-10 15:29:49	Nickwiz	Or not newer either. E.g. this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/351877/140633 say systemd has no default logging to auth.log from Debian 8.
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2021-06-10 15:41:44	RayTracer	Nickwiz: it seems sensible to adjust tools for using the journal, on distros that use journald
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2021-06-10 15:43:30	noolby	test
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2021-06-10 15:44:26	Sayona	test
2021-06-10 15:45:42	Nickwiz	RayTracer: On some levels, yes. But I rather have plain-text files separated by log type, then one huge binary blob.
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2021-06-10 15:48:53	jim	Sayona, hi
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2021-06-10 15:49:03	Sayona	Hi jim!
2021-06-10 15:49:06	RayTracer	Nickwiz: then better check for rsyslogd installation and configuration. :)
2021-06-10 15:49:12	jim	how are you
2021-06-10 15:49:38	Sayona	fine :) I am here to see what it's new.
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2021-06-10 15:50:54	jim	oh my god, lots and lots is new... moving to a new net, irc.libera.chat (6697 & 6667)
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2021-06-10 15:51:16	Sayona	is cool there?
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2021-06-10 15:51:24	Sayona	I saw more people moved there
2021-06-10 15:51:40	jim	yes it is, it's very new (like a week and a half)
2021-06-10 15:51:47	Sayona	intresting
2021-06-10 15:52:07	essiambre	more like three weeks give or take
2021-06-10 15:52:25	essiambre	not a lot of drama
2021-06-10 15:52:29	Sayona	:))
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2021-06-10 15:52:55	essiambre	all the good people went
2021-06-10 15:53:32	Sayona	jim, I will join too
2021-06-10 15:53:54	jim	Sayona, same linux ops, and also mostly same irc ops, so it's very similar
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2021-06-10 15:55:01	jim	Sayona, on that net, the counterpart to this channel is called #linux
2021-06-10 15:55:10	jim	(one #)
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2021-06-10 15:55:35	essiambre	call it freenode 2.0
2021-06-10 15:55:38	Sayona	:D
2021-06-10 15:56:08	Nickwiz	RayTracer: Ye, have it running. Perhaps I installed it but have forgotten :P
2021-06-10 15:56:35	oxek	jim: 3 weeks
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2021-06-10 15:56:58	jim	oh, ok, so my sense of time is screwed up :)
2021-06-10 15:57:17	oxek	check your battery
2021-06-10 15:57:22	jim	gotta get a song ready
2021-06-10 15:57:25	Nickwiz	But also see I forgot to post a message above. As in my system is Debian 10 based, but has auth.log, so I did not quite get the v8 info to track.
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2021-06-10 15:57:29	oxek	or if ntp is running
2021-06-10 15:57:47	jim	Sayona, see you over there :)
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2021-06-10 15:58:41	Nickwiz	Nah. Can not find that I have installed it either.
2021-06-10 15:58:45	RayTracer	Nickwiz: maybe it depends on the installed patterns/packages like minimal/workstation/server
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2021-06-10 15:59:29	sayona_	wtf
2021-06-10 15:59:50	sayona_	I just mentioned the name of that network and I get disconnected
2021-06-10 15:59:59	sayona_	I think freenode ops are here and kill people
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2021-06-10 16:00:51	Tech_8	sup
2021-06-10 16:01:31	essiambre	they are but i didn't see any kill this time
2021-06-10 16:01:39	sayona_	I use the bnc provided by freenode
2021-06-10 16:01:44	essiambre	oh
2021-06-10 16:01:50	sayona_	maybe they have issues
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2021-06-10 16:02:05	sayona_	or targetd kill by keywords :)
2021-06-10 16:02:07	essiambre	their issues have issues
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2021-06-10 16:02:16	sayona_	:))
2021-06-10 16:02:28	rascul	freenode provides a bouncer?
2021-06-10 16:02:46	sayona_	rascul, yap :) https://freenode.net/
2021-06-10 16:02:56	Nickwiz	Guest84540: What about that one?
2021-06-10 16:02:59	rascul	oh
2021-06-10 16:03:01	sayona_	but worked only for a few minutes
2021-06-10 16:03:27	sayona_	a bnc if I quit the client or something will keep me nickname
2021-06-10 16:03:33	sayona_	but what I see .... nop
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2021-06-10 16:04:40	sayona_	this service is sucks
2021-06-10 16:04:44	sayona_	zncbnc is better
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2021-06-10 16:26:11	z1haze	I am setting up a fresh server installation with ubuntu 20.04 . setting up ssh key authentication, but when testing im getting server refused our key, but i am not sure why
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2021-06-10 16:26:57	z1haze	I generated my key locally, used ssh-copy-id and verified on the server itself that the key was inserted in the authorized_keys file for the user, all of my permsissions are correct (i think), 700 for .ssh and 600 for authorized_keys
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2021-06-10 16:27:32	RayTracer	z1haze: what key type? I think dsa is disabled in the meanwhile by default
2021-06-10 16:27:38	z1haze	rsa
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2021-06-10 16:27:51	z1haze	as least i assume, whatever the default is with ssh-keygen
2021-06-10 16:28:05	z1haze	i normally use rsa but i didnt actually use -t this time
2021-06-10 16:28:19	RayTracer	see the server sshd log then, it usually lists what bugs it
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2021-06-10 16:29:15	z1haze	where is that by default?
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2021-06-10 16:29:38	z1haze	like /var/log/auth?
2021-06-10 16:30:13	RayTracer	I'd usually use something like: journalctl -u sshd -n 50
2021-06-10 16:30:36	z1haze	okay, i am not a linux power user here, forgive me. i will try this
2021-06-10 16:30:51	z1haze	it says no entries
2021-06-10 16:32:03	Nickwiz	Have you double checked that the ./.shh/authorized_keys have your pub key?
2021-06-10 16:32:33	RayTracer	it works for me on Fedora.. is it maybe called just ssh instead of sshd on Ubuntu? However, /var/log/auth or daemon log maybe also have the sshd log
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2021-06-10 16:33:48	z1haze	Nickwiz, yep
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2021-06-10 16:34:23	RayTracer	if in doubt, "ls -lart /var/log/" just after you tried to login with ssh, or "journalctl -f" while you try to login
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2021-06-10 16:35:50	z1haze	im not seeing anything in the logs about refused key either. i see auth logs for accepted password but that's about it .. and that happens after my key is rejected
2021-06-10 16:38:03	RayTracer	that's strange
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2021-06-10 16:39:16	z1haze	yeah, never have i had this happen before
2021-06-10 16:39:27	z1haze	ive setup quite a few servers before, always pretty much do the same thing
2021-06-10 16:39:36	Nickwiz	Have you tried with the -v option?
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2021-06-10 16:39:55	Nickwiz	or even -vvv
2021-06-10 16:40:02	z1haze	for what?
2021-06-10 16:40:41	Nickwiz	ssh -vvv foo@bar.xyz
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2021-06-10 16:41:42	z1haze	nothing really useful there
2021-06-10 16:41:52	z1haze	maybe to someone else? Error writing session log (raw mode) to file: putty.log
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2021-06-10 16:43:22	z1haze	okay, i got a log file setup, but it didnt put anything in it more than i already saw
2021-06-10 16:43:30	z1haze	"Server refused our key"
2021-06-10 16:43:48	oxek	recent enough version of putty? Are you sure putty is using the correct key?
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2021-06-10 16:44:02	rascul	doesn't putty have some weird key format or some such?
2021-06-10 16:44:03	z1haze	yeah, i have about a dozen other servers i connect to just fine through it
2021-06-10 16:44:04	RayTracer	wasn't putty having some different key format? But you wrote that it usually works, so..
2021-06-10 16:44:09	oxek	RayTracer: it does
2021-06-10 16:44:13	z1haze	they do, but there's a tool that does it
2021-06-10 16:44:14	oxek	but should be identical on the wire
2021-06-10 16:44:19	z1haze	im using the same key on multiple instances
2021-06-10 16:44:22	z1haze	works on others
2021-06-10 16:44:29	z1haze	something i missed in the setup somewhere
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2021-06-10 16:46:44	z1haze	ugh. i pasted the public key manually in my authorized keys and it works now
2021-06-10 16:46:49	z1haze	w/e
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2021-06-10 16:49:03	rascul	maybe ssh-copy-id grabbed the wrong key
2021-06-10 16:49:18	rascul	if i recall correctly it uses ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub as default
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2021-06-10 16:50:06	rascul	oh it looks at IdentityFile from ssh_config
2021-06-10 16:54:13	Nickwiz	But you verified the key was the same as your pub?
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2021-06-10 17:37:31	SmashingX	how can I search in less program a word that contains backslashes? I tried to escape them in the search string but it doesn't work.
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2021-06-10 17:42:43	Nickwiz	SmashingX: Do you quote it?
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2021-06-10 17:43:01	Nickwiz	(The search pattern)
2021-06-10 17:44:06	SmashingX	ok it worked if I escape it
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2021-06-10 17:44:22	SmashingX	e.g: 01\/May\/2021
2021-06-10 17:44:23	Nickwiz	With single quotes : \\ , with double / or none: "\\\\"
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2021-06-10 17:46:01	Nickwiz	as in '\\' of course to make it equal to "\\\\"
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2021-06-10 17:46:22	SmashingX	now, the file is so big, I would like to extract all the lines of the file that start from the search pattern 01\/May\/2021 to the end of the file
2021-06-10 17:46:31	SmashingX	how would you do that?
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2021-06-10 17:48:38	Nickwiz	SmashingX: Perhaps sed -ne '/<pattern>/,$ p' file
2021-06-10 17:49:16	SmashingX	but that would only output all the lines that match the pattern
2021-06-10 17:49:44	SmashingX	I want to extract all the files STARTING from where the first line with the pattern is found to the end of the file
2021-06-10 17:52:50	Nickwiz	Comma specify addresses. You could also do something like awk '/PATTERN/,0' file
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2021-06-10 17:54:50	Nickwiz	... or awk '/pattern/,EOF' file if you want to keep some more semantics (or what ever to call it)
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2021-06-10 18:00:04	Nickwiz	SmashingX: --^ Did you understand the comma?
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2021-06-10 18:10:48	SmashingX	sed -ne '/<pattern>/,EOF p' file
2021-06-10 18:10:52	SmashingX	so like this
2021-06-10 18:11:05	Nickwiz	no
2021-06-10 18:11:26	SmashingX	I mean not with awk but with sed
2021-06-10 18:11:30	SmashingX	I like to use sed
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2021-06-10 18:11:56	Nickwiz	sed -n '/pattern/,$p'
2021-06-10 18:12:03	Nickwiz	you can drop the -e
2021-06-10 18:12:22	Nickwiz	-n say do not print unless I say so
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2021-06-10 18:12:46	Nickwiz	/pattern/,$p say print everything between pattern and $
2021-06-10 18:12:55	Nickwiz	$ being eof
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2021-06-10 18:14:55	Nickwiz	$ does not have the same meaning, in a way, for ie sed 's/foo$/bar/' <- that would match end of pattern space (usually a line if not using N etc)
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2021-06-10 18:15:36	SmashingX	sed -n '/01\/May\/2021/,$p' access.log > result &
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2021-06-10 18:15:47	SmashingX	I did this, but it's taking so long.
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2021-06-10 18:16:35	SmashingX	Nickwiz:  Thank you for the explanation, that is helpful, really.
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2021-06-10 18:18:22	SmashingX	Nickwiz: it worked, thank you so much.
2021-06-10 18:18:28	Nickwiz	SmashingX: You might find this helpful: https://catonmat.net/ftp/sed.stream.editor.cheat.sheet.txt
2021-06-10 18:18:41	Nickwiz	But first perhaps something like: https://catonmat.net/sed-one-liners-explained-part-one
2021-06-10 18:19:16	Nickwiz	There are a lot of good writings on sed, but do not have any good list on it
2021-06-10 18:20:33	Nickwiz	(and a lot of quirky ones too)
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2021-06-10 18:22:22	SmashingX	coo, great! thank you so much for your help
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2021-06-10 18:25:08	Nickwiz	np
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2021-06-10 18:43:45	Buff3r5527	hey guys, anybody know is is possible to add a right click > open file location on dolphin
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2021-06-10 18:45:21	Buff3r5527	right now im copying the file location and pasting it into the file path bar in dolphin, but its really slow, and i use that function all the time for work, it would be great if i could speed it up
2021-06-10 18:46:16	Nickwiz	Copying it from where?
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2021-06-10 18:46:24	Nickwiz	You can do dolphin path
2021-06-10 18:46:34	Nickwiz	If that is what you mean ...
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2021-06-10 19:10:25	purnifire	https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/1a/17/bd1a17aec3e170b61f8425127be2efe3.jpg
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2021-06-10 19:15:42	Nickwiz	ewww. Windmill. Do not want those ugly bird-killers on my desktop :P
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2021-06-10 19:55:57	thyriaen	so i have several xmodmap stuff in my ~/.Xmodmap file - when i run xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap everything is setup nicely - when i check /etc/gdm/Xsession it says usermodmap="$HOME/.Xmodmap" but it will not load on gnome startup - i even tried putting modmap ~/.Xmodmap into ~/.Xsession - still nothing
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2021-06-10 19:57:33	triceratux	did you try putting it in a script executed by a *.desktop in ~/.config/autostart ?
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2021-06-10 20:02:29	triceratux	boom https://lore.kernel.org/ksummit/CAHk-=wiB6FJknDC5PMfpkg4gZrbSuC3d391VyReM4Wb0+JYXXA@mail.gmail.com/
2021-06-10 20:04:15	thyriaen	triceratux, yes, i tried that
2021-06-10 20:04:23	thyriaen	still does not get loaded
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2021-06-10 20:04:55	triceratux	yeah looked pretty suspicious to me
2021-06-10 20:05:12	triceratux	its basically this https://lkml.org/lkml/2021/6/10/957
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2021-06-10 20:10:08	thyriaen	triceratux, can i maybe show you my desktop file - only thing i can think of is that there might be an error in it
2021-06-10 20:11:32	triceratux	thyriaen: if you can post it, sure. in my experience even that can be too early for xmodmap. sessiontime things can reset it so i keep it in a synonymed user script
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2021-06-10 20:11:58	thyriaen	in a synonymed user script ?
2021-06-10 20:12:03	thyriaen	what do you mean ?
2021-06-10 20:12:30	john12335	triceratux: boom indeed
2021-06-10 20:12:47	triceratux	like a 1 character alias i can execute at any time. it doesnt fare well when run during the xorg startup itself
2021-06-10 20:13:20	triceratux	john12335: guess its a good reason not to engage in offtopic matters on the lkml /o\
2021-06-10 20:14:07	thyriaen	what is this cool terminal pastebin called again ?
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2021-06-10 20:14:31	Nickwiz	cat file | nc termbin.com 9999
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2021-06-10 20:15:42	thyriaen	https://termbin.com/i84sg
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2021-06-10 20:18:49	Nickwiz	Have you ran desktop-file-validate <file> ?
2021-06-10 20:19:03	thyriaen	no, never heard of it
2021-06-10 20:19:17	Nickwiz	And ... does it need full paths? (Perhaps not)
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2021-06-10 20:19:30	triceratux	thyriaen: cant say whats wrong. dont like the inline code. if you can execute a script you can dump or log the output & get it debugged faster
2021-06-10 20:19:49	thyriaen	xmodmap.desktop: error: value "/usr/bin/xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap" for key "Exec" in group "Desktop Entry" contains a reserved character '~' outside of a quote
2021-06-10 20:20:01	triceratux	thereya go
2021-06-10 20:20:10	triceratux	dont use ~ except at the commandline
2021-06-10 20:20:21	thyriaen	sneaky
2021-06-10 20:20:55	thyriaen	so it has to be the full path ?
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2021-06-10 20:21:06	thyriaen	cause there is no other way to reference the home directory ?
2021-06-10 20:21:12	thyriaen	or can i use $HOME ?
2021-06-10 20:21:17	triceratux	use ${HOME} & hope its understood by a *.desktop without wrapping it in a script
2021-06-10 20:22:23	thyriaen	nope
2021-06-10 20:22:41	thyriaen	im gonna try it with full path
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2021-06-10 20:23:00	thyriaen	${HOME} didnt verify
2021-06-10 20:23:04	thyriaen	brb
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2021-06-10 20:24:27	thyriaen	nice it worked !!! thanks so much <3
2021-06-10 20:24:40	kfrench	Samizdat: I love you
2021-06-10 20:24:55	triceratux	yaaaay xmodmap in 2021 !
2021-06-10 20:25:10	thyriaen	are there alternatives ?
2021-06-10 20:25:50	triceratux	nope. it has to keep working
2021-06-10 20:26:00	thyriaen	okey i have a tricky question now
2021-06-10 20:26:08	triceratux	the wayland folks hoped xorg would be dead by now :)
2021-06-10 20:26:15	thyriaen	i would like to map 2 keys to 1
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2021-06-10 20:26:30	thyriaen	like space+g = F2
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2021-06-10 22:20:05	questi	945 people
2021-06-10 22:20:15	questi	how many are perma idlers hmm xd
2021-06-10 22:20:24	questi	Aelano: ?
2021-06-10 22:20:53	questi	well probably 900 are perma idlers lol
2021-06-10 22:21:05	questi	they dont even check or reply ever xd
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2021-06-10 22:21:51	questi	bots? xd
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2021-06-10 22:22:31	taw	questi: netsplit
2021-06-10 22:22:38	questi	well also that
2021-06-10 22:22:48	questi	taw: how many people here never talk?
2021-06-10 22:22:58	taw	I see some conversations from time to time
2021-06-10 22:23:29	questi	yes like 10 people or so
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2021-06-10 22:23:36	taw	better than zero
2021-06-10 22:23:39	taw	:p
2021-06-10 22:24:02	questi	can we now get control of the room and kick people wont wont talk in a next 5 days? lol
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2021-06-10 22:24:10	questi	rejuvinate
2021-06-10 22:24:21	questi	its like removing obsolete packages lol
2021-06-10 22:24:34	taw	heh, I like the analogy
2021-06-10 22:24:45	taw	I think one way to motivate other people to talk is having actually decent topics to discuss
2021-06-10 22:25:05	taw	re: linux, one of the things I've been lookin at is manjaro cutefish
2021-06-10 22:25:09	taw	it's crazy how nice it looks
2021-06-10 22:25:14	questi	manjaro is cool
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2021-06-10 22:26:02	taw	have you seen cutefish?
2021-06-10 22:26:05	taw	looks like macos
2021-06-10 22:26:14	questi	would you talk in a group of people who mostly talk or you walk in and 100s sit in a pub eyes closed, cobweb, and 9 people actually talk lol
2021-06-10 22:26:41	questi	i actually wanted to ask about manjaro was kinda blah channel so silent
2021-06-10 22:26:43	taw	2nd one would be sort of creepy
2021-06-10 22:26:46	questi	yeee
2021-06-10 22:27:18	questi	well I am on ubuntu, also used fedora red hat
2021-06-10 22:27:21	questi	and some weird os
2021-06-10 22:27:32	questi	yes to check manjaro
2021-06-10 22:27:34	taw	I have voidlinux on my laptop
2021-06-10 22:27:37	questi	*yet
2021-06-10 22:28:01	taw	I want something non systemd + low resource consumption
2021-06-10 22:28:22	taw	so, currently uses some xfce4 packages + dmw + nitrogen
2021-06-10 22:28:26	questi	use more ram :)
2021-06-10 22:28:27	taw	the classic suckless stack
2021-06-10 22:28:30	taw	lmao
2021-06-10 22:28:33	questi	be the degen !
2021-06-10 22:28:42	questi	ram is cheap so it solves it all haha
2021-06-10 22:28:51	taw	it actually has a decent amount of ram, I just miss the 90s look
2021-06-10 22:28:58	questi	now we talking
2021-06-10 22:29:13	taw	but yeah, now I'm really intrigued by cutefish os
2021-06-10 22:29:29	taw	so I think manjaro + cutefish might be an actual good choice of os
2021-06-10 22:29:33	questi	from it world I am mostly into tor and tor applications
2021-06-10 22:29:47	questi	file sharing, tor sites indexing  :)
2021-06-10 22:30:01	questi	well it depends on how active maintainers are
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2021-06-10 22:30:28	taw	you know, I actually haven't gotten myself into tor
2021-06-10 22:30:29	taw	like, at all
2021-06-10 22:31:18	questi	you can read leaks there or download books lol
2021-06-10 22:31:35	questi	some chats also exist
2021-06-10 22:32:32	taw	I need to learn how to get on them
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2021-06-10 22:32:38	taw	I have too many books, heh
2021-06-10 22:32:54	taw	I used to read at least two a month
2021-06-10 22:34:55	taw	questi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mY-OzAdN4U
2021-06-10 22:34:59	taw	gonna follow that in a bit
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2021-06-10 22:35:12	taw	I have a thinkpad laying around in my office
2021-06-10 22:35:29	taw	the launcher looks very very intuitive and easy to follow
2021-06-10 22:35:32	questi	:)
2021-06-10 22:35:39	questi	maybe try to teach coding
2021-06-10 22:37:09	questi	well nowadays many people are unfriendly so coders are more sxo.
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2021-06-10 22:38:50	taw	do you code?
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2021-06-10 22:57:12	lockywolf	rascul, I guess, it should be possible to make a sort of "standard" gpt layout on a drive, with a vfat EFI partition, and the Linux partitions, I guess, in addition there is a need for a special partition, that would have some "fake EFI" dd'ed onto it, and a fake MBR that would contain a single bootable active primary partition record -> the one pointing at the "fake efi"
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2021-06-10 23:08:00	Mat63	Hi
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2021-06-10 23:15:03	Prestige	hi Mat63
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2021-06-10 23:15:57	Mat63	how is it ok. Pass to support the channel. Nothing in particular
2021-06-10 23:17:46	Prestige	how is what ok?
2021-06-10 23:19:26	Mat63	Oh yeah
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2021-06-10 23:25:22	jim	Mat63, I think Prestige isn't sure what you're saying
2021-06-10 23:25:31	Mat63	lol
2021-06-10 23:25:58	Mat63	I already know it. I can do nothing about it
2021-06-10 23:26:19	Mat63	Hi jim
2021-06-10 23:26:23	jim	hi
2021-06-10 23:27:17	mattfly	Im using different scripts to set my wallpapers dynamically and they use feh and now i found another script that will customize conky colors for a given wallpaper. Problem is i never know what image is actually being used to know the path to pass to this conky theme script so im wondering if i can get this image and save it in another way. Is there a way to see what image path feh last used or save the current wallpaper as an image so
2021-06-10 23:27:17	mattfly	here i can set? It seems that feh doesn't have a running  process, can i extract this image in some other way?
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2021-06-10 23:28:19	jim	you actually can... if you take responsibility for both sides of the conversation... when you speak, you can make sure you're understood... and when you listen, you can make sure you understand (when you don't, you can ask clarifying questions)
2021-06-10 23:28:53	Mat63	ok
2021-06-10 23:29:45	jim	I mean, that's up to you... but I'm just saying you can
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2021-06-10 23:30:44	Mat63	I understand. I also understand that a lot of clarification also darkens
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2021-06-10 23:42:41	essiambre	too much zen just confuses
2021-06-10 23:43:11	Mat63	XD
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2021-06-10 23:46:45	Mat63	I have that hope that there is a better way. Higher-level tools that actually allow you to see the structure of programs more clearly will be invaluable.
2021-06-10 23:47:10	Mat63	(Guido van Rossum)
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2021-06-11 00:15:27	essiambre	guido calls it "source code"
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2021-06-11 00:48:00	LissajousPattern	Hello all
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2021-06-11 01:06:05	thyriaen	i am looking for an e-mail application with a similar workflow as superhuman - and i just wondered - maybe a command line application might be exactly that ?
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2021-06-11 01:10:17	Descartes	I got a strange Samba sharing error
2021-06-11 01:10:47	Descartes	It doesn't make any sense
2021-06-11 01:12:16	essiambre	but it makes sense to complain about an error without saying what the error is
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2021-06-11 01:13:21	Descartes	I'm glad you asked
2021-06-11 01:13:26	Descartes	I got this Samba sharing error when I opened a folder:
2021-06-11 01:13:28	Descartes	  https://pasteboard.co/K63RRuA.jpg
2021-06-11 01:13:55	Descartes	I’m using Linux Mint 19.3 Tricia – Cinnamon
2021-06-11 01:15:19	Descartes	essiambre Here’s a screenshot from my Software Manager:
2021-06-11 01:15:20	Descartes	https://i.postimg.cc/136nChcb/Software-Manager-Samba.jpg
2021-06-11 01:15:58	thyriaen	how can i configure certain applications to always run in preset workspaces ?
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2021-06-11 01:17:15	Descartes	Here’s another screenshot showing folder properties:
2021-06-11 01:17:16	Descartes	https://postimg.cc/V0wcTrQF
2021-06-11 01:17:57	essiambre	did you enable sharing
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2021-06-11 01:18:31	Descartes	I believe sharing should be automatically enables when Samba was installed
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2021-06-11 01:18:48	Descartes	enabled
2021-06-11 01:18:52	essiambre	not what that dialog box saiud
2021-06-11 01:20:31	Descartes	But I don't recall ever using Samba or ever installing it.  However, the software manager shows that I have various components of Samba installed
2021-06-11 01:21:40	Descartes	What doesn't make sense is that Linux Mint seems to be telling me that Samba is not really installed
2021-06-11 01:22:18	Descartes	and as you can see from the screenshot, it asked me to install Samba from the Properties box, which I think is weird
2021-06-11 01:23:05	Descartes	I only use the Software Manager or Debian Package Manager to install anything on Linux Mint
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2021-06-11 01:24:54	Descartes	essiambre so what is the problem with Samba?
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2021-06-11 01:26:21	essiambre	you want to use samba
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2021-06-11 01:27:36	Descartes	I didn't even know that I had a choice
2021-06-11 01:27:54	Descartes	I figured Linux Mint automatically installs Samba with the main operating system
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2021-06-11 01:28:32	Descartes	Is Samba used to share files with Windows?
2021-06-11 01:28:51	Descartes	If that's true, then yes
2021-06-11 01:29:08	essiambre	so if you think its not installed install it
2021-06-11 01:29:16	essiambre	enable sharing
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2021-06-11 01:37:10	Descartes	Oh yeah, Samba may have gotten disabled when I was dealing with my printer problems and reinstalling CUPS
2021-06-11 01:38:59	Descartes	I had installed and reinstalled so many printer drivers, too, in order to get my Canon printer working again
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2021-06-11 01:39:21	Descartes	May be that's how Samba had gotten fracked up
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2021-06-11 01:39:39	essiambre	i had a lot of trouble with a brother printer once and decided since i don't want a printer
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2021-06-11 01:41:30	Descartes	I've been having constant problems with all my Canon Pixma printers for years.  It's a problem unique to Linux.
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2021-06-11 01:41:57	essiambre	i heard hp doesn't have so much trouble
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2021-06-11 01:43:12	gh057	Yeah, I use HP and other then the annoying CUPS setup, it's fine.
2021-06-11 01:43:14	gh057	No issues.
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2021-06-11 01:44:48	DynV	A 512 MB P3 has only 1 USB port, I don't have a splitter, and I'd like to make an image of it on an ext HDD. Is there a way I can boot with an USB stick and setup an image, then unplug the booted stick, then plug the ext HDD, then make the image?
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2021-06-11 01:45:32	[R]	if you booted from the usb stick, and your filesystme is on it, no you can't unplug it
2021-06-11 01:45:52	essiambre	might want a powered hub
2021-06-11 01:45:54	gh057	Yeah, a USB hub might be your cheapest route.
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2021-06-11 01:46:59	DynV	It needs to be done tonight and everything that sells one is closed. I have this Win 10 system. How hard is it to setup an RJ45 null-modem?
2021-06-11 01:47:18	[R]	what is an rj45 null modem?
2021-06-11 01:47:55	DynV	when you plug a cable directly between 2 systems?
2021-06-11 01:48:09	[R]	if they are older than dirt, you need a crossover cable
2021-06-11 01:48:19	[R]	if one is atleast somewhat modern, a regular cable should work
2021-06-11 01:48:38	DynV	this system is 64 bit Win 10, so it's not that old.
2021-06-11 01:48:49	[R]	they've had 64bit processors for like 20 years
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2021-06-11 01:49:09	DynV	and they can support Win 10 ?!?
2021-06-11 01:49:28	pnbeast	[R], you're booted from an unplugged filesystem.
2021-06-11 01:49:32	Descartes	I really shouldn't be using my Canon printers with Linux Mint, because it rarely works, and when a Canon printer does work, in those rare instances, I just get black and white text, no colour
2021-06-11 01:49:35	[R]	i dont know what windows 10 requires, i dont use that crap
2021-06-11 01:49:42	[R]	pnbeast: plug it in, plug it in
2021-06-11 01:50:07	Descartes	I can't afford to buy a new printer, so I have to print all my docs and pics on Windows
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2021-06-11 01:50:33	[R]	Descartes: that sounds unfortunate
2021-06-11 01:50:37	Descartes	Windows handles Canon printers very well
2021-06-11 01:50:49	DynV	I can boot this ~5 yo system from a stick that has Ubuntu, would it be had to do the direct RJ45 to make the image?
2021-06-11 01:51:03	Descartes	Windows is also really good at troubleshooting Canon printers
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2021-06-11 02:00:10	Descartes	But, yeah, I hate having to use Windows and I hate Windows 10 in particular
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2021-06-11 02:01:29	Descartes	The only Windows I ever liked was Windows XP and Windows 7, but Windows 7 updates were painful
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2021-06-11 02:16:46	borisrunak	fsg: I managed to make it work with proxychains by disabling proxy_dns. So now I am using proxychains capabilities using the DNS we configured together
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2021-06-11 02:17:18	noobly`	i have an off topic question
2021-06-11 02:17:45	noobly`	does anyone know this long winded story that ends up judging you based off of how long you read it before skimming?
2021-06-11 02:18:59	Descartes	What?
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2021-06-11 02:21:08	noobly`	Descartes: i don't know how else to phrase it. It's a story that's entertaining but if you scroll to the end to get the conclusion, it gives you a horoscope based off of your actions there
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2021-06-11 02:21:22	noobly`	I thought this channel might be the best place to ask oddly neough
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2021-06-11 02:21:59	Descartes	I think that's offtopic for this channel
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2021-06-11 02:22:04	noobly`	it tells you what kind of person you are based off of where you started scrolling
2021-06-11 02:22:54	noobly`	Descartes: I agree but is that strictly disallowed?
2021-06-11 02:23:14	Descartes	I've been kicked for much less
2021-06-11 02:23:24	Descartes	in this channel
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2021-06-11 02:23:42	Descartes	and I was on topic
2021-06-11 02:23:58	questi	e43y6
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2021-06-11 02:31:36	Falcon-8	whois
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2021-06-11 02:31:50	Falcon-8	who
2021-06-11 02:32:40	thyriaen	oh my god - i am going insane over these keyboard configurations :: alright so i have managed to get xmodmap to load my ~/.xmodmap file but now after some time IT REVERTED back to the default settings - what might have caused this and how can i stop it from happening ?
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2021-06-11 02:34:22	pnbeast	thyriaen, hard to tell from here.  One thing that can do it is replugging a USB keyboard, I believe.
2021-06-11 02:34:35	thyriaen	pnbeast, alright let me try
2021-06-11 02:35:31	thyriaen	pnbeast, yea that might have been it - at least when i replug it does indeed screw it up - how can i stop it from happening ?
2021-06-11 02:35:33	pnbeast	thyriaen, try what?  Either you've unplugged and reattached it, or you haven't.  I guess if you had a flaky connection or cable, it could happen invisibly, though.  Maybe dmesg would report the connection.
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2021-06-11 02:36:20	pnbeast	By not unplugging it?  You could re-run the xmodmap call when you reconnect, as a workaround.
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2021-06-11 02:36:46	pnbeast	Maybe you could cajole dbus into doing that automatically?
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2021-06-11 03:03:17	dfrantzen	which log would i look in if i have some sync errors with glusterfs
2021-06-11 03:03:24	dfrantzen	?
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2021-06-11 03:08:48	purnifire	https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bd/1a/17/bd1a17aec3e170b61f8425127be2efe3.jpg
2021-06-11 03:09:13	purnifire	It's HD wallpaper
2021-06-11 03:10:15	purnifire	No jokes, no Keanu Reeves
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2021-06-11 04:25:59	godSend23	any twitter users here?
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2021-06-11 04:41:43	triceratux	i registered for an account in 2009. never used it
2021-06-11 04:42:10	triceratux	its some kind of microblogging platform iirc
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2021-06-11 04:42:33	AlexeyX	Hi there!
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2021-06-11 04:44:16	AlexeyX	Could anyone tell me, why rsync ignoring include options?
2021-06-11 04:44:20	AlexeyX	rsync --include='*.xml' --include='*/' --exclude='*' --remove-source-files -rltgDv %s %s
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2021-06-11 04:44:43	AlexeyX	if run that command without  --remove-source-files everything is ok...
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2021-06-11 04:45:20	Descartes	Do all the different kinds of Linux operating systems have equal trouble handling Canon printers?
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2021-06-11 05:01:31	essiambre	decartes afraid so. think the problem is at kernel level.
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2021-06-11 05:20:12	Hanii	KaOS doesn't seem to like being installed in virtualbox https://i.imgur.com/GZYghGD.png
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2021-06-11 05:39:22	arash	Hello, I need to a add a subtitle for a video, Can anyone recommend me a tools ? or is there any channel to help me with that ?
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2021-06-11 05:43:12	rouji	arash: aegisub?
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2021-06-11 05:45:12	cadmio	Hello
2021-06-11 05:45:29	cadmio	is it possible to use the smartphone cam as webcam?
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2021-06-11 05:48:56	arash	rouji, thank you
2021-06-11 05:51:33	triceratux	cadmio: ive done it with scrcpy https://www.linuxuprising.com/2019/03/control-android-devices-from-your.html
2021-06-11 05:52:18	cadmio	triceratux: have I install apps on my phone?
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2021-06-11 05:52:48	triceratux	scrcpy uses the adb. just have to enable usb debugging
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2021-06-11 05:54:20	cadmio	so you've have to install an app on the phone and the program on linux
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2021-06-11 06:17:51	mra90	what is the difference between cp -fr /dirctory/* and cp -fr /directory/. ?
2021-06-11 06:18:00	mra90	I mean . vs * at the end?
2021-06-11 06:18:20	mra90	I noticed that the former copies the hidden files which * just skips
2021-06-11 06:18:35	RayTracer	mra90: * is a glob for the shell, . is a directory
2021-06-11 06:18:51	jjakob	yes, * as a shell glob doesn't glob hidden files
2021-06-11 06:19:01	jjakob	dir/. is the same as just dir
2021-06-11 06:19:28	mra90	jjakob, are you sure abbout that?
2021-06-11 06:19:40	jjakob	cp dir and cp dir/. is exactly the same thing
2021-06-11 06:20:36	jjakob	the shell option dotglob controls that (in bash)
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2021-06-11 06:21:06	jjakob	sorry, dotglob controls whether * matches hidden (.file) files or not
2021-06-11 06:21:23	jjakob	dir and dir/. are just the same regardless of the shell
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2021-06-11 06:22:06	mra90	hmm in my case it happens that hidden files, those starting with a dot like .file are skipped
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2021-06-11 06:22:13	mra90	if I don't do cp dir/.
2021-06-11 06:22:46	jjakob	yes
2021-06-11 06:23:25	mra90	but you said dir/ and dir. are the same
2021-06-11 06:23:32	jjakob	do this: open man bash, search for dotglob (/dotglob enter), press enter until you get to the definition unter "SHELL BUILTIN COMMANDS" -> shopt
2021-06-11 06:23:49	jjakob	dir/. and dir/.file are not the same thing
2021-06-11 06:24:10	jjakob	just "." is a special file that always points to the directory itself
2021-06-11 06:24:41	jjakob	any other file beginning with a . is a hidden file and globbing hidden files is controlled by the dotglob option which is disabled by default
2021-06-11 06:25:22	jjakob	sorry, when searching in man, do /dotglob enter, then press n
2021-06-11 06:26:22	jjakob	dotglob If set, bash includes filenames beginning with a `.' in the  results  of  pathname expansion.   The  filenames  ``.''  and ``..''  must always be matched explicitly, even if dotglob is set.
2021-06-11 06:27:52	mra90	jjakob, yes I see
2021-06-11 06:28:04	mra90	now how can I set that dotglob ion the cp command?
2021-06-11 06:28:16	mra90	cp dir/.* ?
2021-06-11 06:29:12	jjakob	you want to copy all files in a directpry including hidden files, yes?
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2021-06-11 06:29:24	mra90	exactly
2021-06-11 06:30:46	mra90	lol with dir/.* it copies files from parent directory of dir
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2021-06-11 06:31:53	isapgswell	we need a OTF (on the fly) linux kernel and foss modules BUILDER
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2021-06-11 06:32:57	jjakob	mra90: shopt -s dotglob; cp dir/*
2021-06-11 06:33:22	isapgswell	to compile
2021-06-11 06:33:41	jjakob	or probably shopt -s globstar; cp dir/**
2021-06-11 06:34:02	jjakob	isapgswell: well, gentoo already has genkernel
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2021-06-11 06:34:14	jjakob	that does everything with just one "genkernel all"
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2021-06-11 06:34:51	isapgswell	jjakob is it a OTF linux kernel?
2021-06-11 06:35:06	masber11	hi, how environment modules work? when command `module list` shows me the list of modules which means the command is working. However `which module` can't find it
2021-06-11 06:35:15	jjakob	isapgswell: what's that
2021-06-11 06:35:22	mra90	this is weird no it copied all files including hidden ones with cp dir/* .
2021-06-11 06:35:34	isapgswell	jjakob OTF (on the fly)
2021-06-11 06:35:36	mra90	now*
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2021-06-11 06:35:49	jjakob	mra90: what does shopt dotglob say? off?
2021-06-11 06:35:59	jjakob	maybe a previous command you ran copied the hidden files
2021-06-11 06:36:08	mra90	jjakob, yes
2021-06-11 06:36:24	isapgswell	jjakob a system completelly offline and standalone
2021-06-11 06:36:25	mra90	I haben't issued your shopt command yet
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2021-06-11 06:36:53	jjakob	maybe your previous cp dir/.* copied hidden files
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2021-06-11 06:37:37	jjakob	isapgswell: how is that different than just compiling the kernel
2021-06-11 06:37:48	mra90	no because I do rm -fr * each time
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2021-06-11 06:38:06	jjakob	mra90: well, * doesn't glob hidden files so it doesn't remove them either...
2021-06-11 06:38:10	mra90	in general I do cp in combination with diff -r command to check integrityt
2021-06-11 06:38:17	isapgswell	jjakob it is a dedicated linux kernel compiler/builder
2021-06-11 06:38:19	mra90	and I noticed diff -r lies as well
2021-06-11 06:38:21	jjakob	by default with dotglob off
2021-06-11 06:38:38	isapgswell	jjakob for distribution purpose
2021-06-11 06:38:42	mra90	yes I understand that but the behaviour is different
2021-06-11 06:40:44	isapgswell	jjakob it is a dedicated linux kernel compiler/builder environment
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2021-06-11 06:43:52	jjakob	isapgswell: I have no idea what you're talking about.
2021-06-11 06:44:13	RayTracer	maybe use "rsync -aix --delete" instead of cp/rm/diff
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2021-06-11 06:45:35	mra90	jjakob, and it happens for a copy between a usb stick and hdd
2021-06-11 06:45:43	mra90	maybe there is some connection issue I dunno
2021-06-11 06:45:54	jjakob	I doubt it
2021-06-11 06:45:54	mra90	I am sure I have had similar issues in the past]
2021-06-11 06:46:04	mra90	when not all files were copied
2021-06-11 06:46:35	jjakob	do this: look with ls -la after you rm -rf dir/*
2021-06-11 06:46:46	jjakob	and see if really everythin gis removed
2021-06-11 06:47:00	mra90	good point
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2021-06-11 06:47:23	jjakob	I suspect hidden files aren't because you don't have dotglob set
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2021-06-11 06:47:42	mra90	it may be that but
2021-06-11 06:48:09	mra90	at some point I also copied all files, run diff -r to check integrity - returned no diff
2021-06-11 06:48:18	mra90	so I started compiling the code and now boom missing file
2021-06-11 06:48:25	jjakob	how did you run diff -r ?
2021-06-11 06:48:34	jjakob	what did you pass as parameters?
2021-06-11 06:48:44	mra90	I searched one dir and the second and of course the file was in one dir but not in the other
2021-06-11 06:49:03	mra90	simply diff -r dir1/ dir2/
2021-06-11 06:49:24	jjakob	maybe diff -r doesn't compare hidden files. dunno. how many files are there?
2021-06-11 06:49:37	mra90	this particular file was a regular one
2021-06-11 06:49:39	jjakob	diff -r would be very long for a large amouont
2021-06-11 06:49:42	mra90	so a different issue
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2021-06-11 06:49:59	mra90	takes less time than the copy
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2021-06-11 06:50:00	jjakob	I'd use rsync in this case too.
2021-06-11 06:50:07	jjakob	it can print a summary
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2021-06-11 06:50:35	mra90	will give it a try
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2021-06-11 06:51:15	jjakob	rsync -avhisSHAXP --delete -n dir1/ dir2/
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2021-06-11 06:51:42	jjakob	or you can take away -vi to just print a summary
2021-06-11 06:52:00	jjakob	then take away -n to actually do the copy
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2021-06-11 06:52:12	jjakob	(-n is --dry-run)
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2021-06-11 06:52:58	jjakob	you may not need all of those -SHAX and maybe not even -a depending on what you want (-a is -rlptgoD)
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2021-06-11 06:54:44	aruns	Hi, I am using Sendmail 8.15.2 on Ubuntu 18.04 to forward localhost emails to their recipients using my Gmail as the SMTP provider. However, I want to send certain emails to my Gmail depending on the subject line.
2021-06-11 06:54:54	mra90	I try to do rsync -r . /dir
2021-06-11 06:55:04	mra90	but the command terminates imediately with no output
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2021-06-11 06:55:57	aruns	I am led to believe that Procmail can accomplish this task for me. I have ~/.procmailrc with the following contents - https://bpa.st/NTQA - and it is also worth noting that these are WordPress admin email change notification emails I primarily want to redirect.
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2021-06-11 06:56:17	mra90	okay I messed the order
2021-06-11 06:56:20	mra90	now it copies
2021-06-11 06:56:57	aruns	So for example [WordPress Sample Site] Admin Email Changed would be a subject line, potentially
2021-06-11 06:57:02	aruns	But it doesn't seem to be working
2021-06-11 06:57:06	aruns	Can anyone help?
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2021-06-11 06:59:49	mra90	jjakob, thanks for mentionig rsync it copied with no problem in the very first run
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2021-06-11 07:02:10	jjakob	mra90: without -a it didn't copy times, permissions, owners, ...
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2021-06-11 07:02:26	jjakob	you very likely want -a
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2021-06-11 07:03:01	jjakob	not copying permissions on files with sensitive data is very bad
2021-06-11 07:04:03	jjakob	rsync is a bit cumbersome to use cause to copy all file attributes and all files you always need a lot of flags, like I said above
2021-06-11 07:04:49	jjakob	-avsSHAX --delete control what it copies
2021-06-11 07:05:01	jjakob	-hi -S control what it displays
2021-06-11 07:05:11	jjakob	s/-S/-P/
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2021-06-11 07:06:00	jjakob	in 90% cases you want at least -a
2021-06-11 07:06:14	mra90	jjakob, git diff still shows me different time stamp
2021-06-11 07:06:19	mra90	so -a is not enogh it seems like
2021-06-11 07:06:36	mra90	how to preserve file mode?
2021-06-11 07:06:45	jjakob	yes of course because without -a it didnt copy times, so now all the files on the destination have newer times, and rsync ignores them all
2021-06-11 07:07:08	jjakob	the times on newer times are now all when they were created with rsync
2021-06-11 07:07:31	jjakob	and the first step of rsync comparison algorithm is to compare times and skip any that are newer on the destination
2021-06-11 07:07:45	jjakob	s/newer times/newer files/
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2021-06-11 07:09:53	jjakob	oh sorry maybe rsync will still copy attributes even if the timestamp is newer on the receiver
2021-06-11 07:10:10	mra90	jjakob, I did copy them with rsync -ra but the file mode has been changed
2021-06-11 07:10:13	jjakob	so a rsync -avhisSP would fix that
2021-06-11 07:10:34	jjakob	-a includes -r so youdon't need to set it explicitly
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2021-06-11 07:11:08	mra90	lets see, coppying..
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2021-06-11 07:11:28	jjakob	mra90: yeah that's the point, modes will be copied over so that they match
2021-06-11 07:11:48	mra90	unfortunately not
2021-06-11 07:11:51	mra90	sem issue
2021-06-11 07:11:56	mra90	same*
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2021-06-11 07:12:09	mra90	git diff shows the difference
2021-06-11 07:12:15	jjakob	what difference?
2021-06-11 07:12:26	mra90	in file mode
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2021-06-11 07:12:47	jjakob	copy exactly what's different
2021-06-11 07:13:05	jjakob	here so that I know
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2021-06-11 07:14:25	mra90	the problem may be realted with rm -fr *
2021-06-11 07:14:33	mra90	so I don't remve old hidden files
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2021-06-11 07:16:45	jjakob	well, rsync -avhisSHAXP --delete -n dir1/ dir2/ would show all differences without actually doint anything because of -n
2021-06-11 07:17:09	jjakob	the important ones being -hi
2021-06-11 07:18:06	jjakob	--itemize-changes, -i    output a change-summary for all updates
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2021-06-11 07:19:19	mra90	now I have started fresh but still it fails
2021-06-11 07:19:32	mra90	more so not all files has been copied
2021-06-11 07:20:03	jjakob	the rsync command I gave you does copy everything so I don't know what's going wrong.
2021-06-11 07:20:28	jjakob	you can paste the exact commands you ran and what's missing
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2021-06-11 07:22:06	mra90	jjakob, rsync -rahisSPv  /media/mra/Samsung\ USB/coreboot/ .
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2021-06-11 07:22:14	mra90	this is the command I run
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2021-06-11 07:23:29	jjakob	and what are the differences?
2021-06-11 07:24:21	mra90	problem #1 there are at least one file which was not copied
2021-06-11 07:24:32	mra90	problem #2 git shows fiel modes has changed
2021-06-11 07:24:35	mra90	file*
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2021-06-11 07:26:03	mra90	http://termbin.com/armc0
2021-06-11 07:26:15	mra90	here is the example diff git produces
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2021-06-11 07:32:04	aruns	Hi, I am using Sendmail 8.15.2 on Ubuntu 18.04 to forward localhost emails to their recipients using my Gmail as the SMTP provider. However, I want to send certain emails to my Gmail depending on the subject line. I am led to believe that Procmail can accomplish this task for me. I have ~/.procmailrc with the following contents - https://bpa.st/NTQA - and it is also worth noting that these are WordPress
2021-06-11 07:32:10	aruns	admin email change notification emails I primarily want to redirect. So for example [WordPress Sample Site] Admin Email Changed would be a subject line, potentially. This does not seem to be working though, can someone help?
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2021-06-11 07:34:39	jjakob	mra90: did you do git diff?
2021-06-11 07:34:58	mra90	yes
2021-06-11 07:34:59	jjakob	is this a git repo?
2021-06-11 07:35:03	mra90	yes
2021-06-11 07:35:11	jjakob	so on the old location git diff doesn't show that?
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2021-06-11 07:35:46	jjakob	what's the source filesystem?
2021-06-11 07:36:17	mra90	jjakob, ahh right it wasn't copied with timestamps preserved mode in the first place
2021-06-11 07:36:27	mra90	so no the source also has the problem
2021-06-11 07:36:51	mra90	but this doesn't bother me that much as the fact that some files are not copied
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2021-06-11 07:37:09	jjakob	yeah, git diff doesn't compare the old location to the new, it compares the filesystem state against the tree
2021-06-11 07:37:22	jjakob	the git tree
2021-06-11 07:37:35	jjakob	so which files weren't copied?
2021-06-11 07:37:42	jjakob	anything special about them?
2021-06-11 07:38:08	jjakob	did rsync print any errors or files not copied?
2021-06-11 07:38:15	mra90	hmm the same file for surer since compilarion fails
2021-06-11 07:38:33	jjakob	which same file?
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2021-06-11 07:41:24	mra90	hmm I see the whole directory 'build' is missing
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2021-06-11 07:43:38	jjakob	do you have permission to read it and its contents?
2021-06-11 07:43:50	jjakob	anyway, rsync would report that as an error
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2021-06-11 07:44:31	jjakob	can you paste the stats that rsync prints?
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2021-06-11 07:45:37	jjakob	maybe someone ran "make" as root and that created build as root rwxr-x---
2021-06-11 07:45:53	jjakob	just guessing, that's what I've had problems with in the past
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2021-06-11 07:48:02	mra90	yes that wwould be possible but the rsync owuld print an error
2021-06-11 07:48:20	mra90	what actually happens is the make procedure clean that folder
2021-06-11 07:48:25	mra90	thats why it is missing
2021-06-11 07:48:54	mra90	anyway thanks jjakob
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2021-06-11 07:53:04	jjakob	yeah so then the contents are missing in the source too
2021-06-11 07:53:09	jjakob	I thought you checked that
2021-06-11 07:53:13	jjakob	no problem
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2021-06-11 07:58:44	mra90	jjakob, doing several think in parallel and I overlooked
2021-06-11 07:58:47	mra90	thanks :)
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2021-06-11 08:52:21	IanLiu	Is "setfacl -m -d u:john:rwx" equivalent to "setfacl -m d:u:john:rwx" ?
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2021-06-11 08:58:38	triceratux	geez that didnt take long https://betanews.com/2021/06/11/linux-foundation-public-health-prepares-global-covid-19-passport-as-linus-torvalds-encourages-vaccine-uptake/ https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linus-Torvalds-Vaccinations https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/11/linus_torvalds_vaccine_smackdown/
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2021-06-11 09:18:59	triceratux	so linus is now no different from bill gates. he has both an os & a vaccine agenda :)
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2021-06-11 09:21:33	relipse	is it possible to search ack for a string and then show surrounding lines and search within those lines too?
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2021-06-11 09:26:27	jim	triceratux, well the difference is Gates "obtained" his, Torvalds wrote his
2021-06-11 09:27:31	jim	relipse, with grep? yes, it will optionally print after- and before- context lines
2021-06-11 09:27:36	Nickwiz	relipse: ack -(A, B or C) NUM pat1 | ack pat2
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2021-06-11 09:29:30	jim	what's this ack thing/
2021-06-11 09:29:31	jim	?
2021-06-11 09:29:49	Nickwiz	grep "clone" of sorts
2021-06-11 09:29:58	jim	oh ok
2021-06-11 09:30:32	relipse	thanks @Nickwiz will try it
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2021-06-11 09:31:02	Nickwiz	relipse: Check manual for usage of A, B and C - they are same as with grep
2021-06-11 09:31:20	relipse	Nickwiz: i know how to use -C i just didn't know i could run it through ack again
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2021-06-11 09:31:48	Nickwiz	ah, ok :)
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2021-06-11 09:34:10	Nickwiz	jim: Have never used it beyond testing. IIRC it has some advantages on code search.
2021-06-11 09:34:47	Nickwiz	I use grep. And sometimes set up ag for big codebases where I do frequent searches
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2021-06-11 09:46:48	Nickwiz	err. I meant csearch. So long since I used it I forgot hah
2021-06-11 09:48:12	Nickwiz	ag and rg are usually good enough, though for some reason I tend to fall back on ordinary grep.
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2021-06-11 09:51:30	lmv	ag and rg ?
2021-06-11 09:52:12	Nickwiz	lmv: grep tools designed for searching code
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2021-06-11 09:52:25	Nickwiz	https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
2021-06-11 09:52:57	Nickwiz	ag: https://github.com/ggreer/the_silver_searcher
2021-06-11 09:53:10	Nickwiz	ag as in the periodic table
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2021-06-11 09:54:21	lmv	haha, fun name, interesting tool
2021-06-11 09:54:53	Nickwiz	Have used this https://github.com/google/codesearch as well. But then one create a index file etc.
2021-06-11 09:55:43	lmv	mhm
2021-06-11 09:56:27	lmv	i can recommend pcre2grep for advanced regexp lookups
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2021-06-11 10:01:33	Nickwiz	Interesting as well. I use -P option on grep from time to time, but I'll check it out.
2021-06-11 10:02:21	Nickwiz	I tend to fall back on grep as I "forget" about the other variants in the moment.
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2021-06-11 10:03:06	Nickwiz	Used the code search thing on things like kernel, firefox etc.
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2021-06-11 10:03:30	Prestige	ripgrep is very nice
2021-06-11 10:03:58	Nickwiz	Indeed.
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2021-06-11 10:05:31	jim	Nickwiz, oh, ok... good to know
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2021-06-11 10:11:03	triceratux	jim: i agree with you. gates vaccine agenda was clearly written by someone else
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2021-06-11 10:23:02	jim	triceratux, and so were all of Gates' operating systems
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2021-06-11 10:24:04	jim	but, true... Torvalds' vaccine agenda was clearly written in Torvalds' inimitable style
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2021-06-11 10:25:00	triceratux	rofl
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2021-06-11 10:31:25	goddard	hey
2021-06-11 10:31:33	goddard	with sed i wanna save the results
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2021-06-11 10:31:41	goddard	but if i use a wildcard how do i do that
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2021-06-11 10:31:48	goddard	sed '1d' *
2021-06-11 10:31:50	goddard	for example
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2021-06-11 10:32:30	akk	Redirect it: sed '1d' * >savedresults
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2021-06-11 10:33:05	mnemon	goddard: sed -i modifies the files in place
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2021-06-11 10:34:54	goddard	mnemon thanks
2021-06-11 10:38:00	akk	Oh misunderstood the question. And I didn't even know sed could do that, I'd always used inline perl for that. :)
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2021-06-11 12:33:12	OD	jim: you up?
2021-06-11 12:33:31	OD	schedule(what,when) or schedule(when,what)
2021-06-11 12:34:44	OD	schedule(when,what,arg) is the obvious
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2021-06-11 12:43:26	john_rambo	 Cant use Google Earth Pro under firejail >>>> https://paste2.org/D2xyhVhD
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2021-06-11 12:49:14	triceratux	isnt that whats firejail is for ?
2021-06-11 12:50:05	triceratux	if you want to punch holes in it you have to remove the symlinks in /usr/local/bin
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2021-06-11 12:53:17	triceratux	https://www.opennet.ru/opennews/art.shtml?num=55315
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2021-06-11 13:00:18	triceratux	"and he himself was vaccinated?" "Not. He was not shown the vaccine code." "What for? He wrote it himself. For fun."
2021-06-11 13:00:43	triceratux	russian free software jokes :D
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2021-06-11 13:18:17	Nickwiz	triceratux: lol, yes. Found it! https://www.opennet.ru/openforum/vsluhforumID3/124509.html#15
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2021-06-11 13:20:32	Nickwiz	My Russian is somewhat rusty, hah
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2021-06-11 13:22:19	Nickwiz	Too bad they excluded the essential part: "about it on Linux kernel discussion lists"
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2021-06-11 13:25:48	triceratux	my chinese is rustier than my russian. google translate is handy :) https://www.oschina.net/news/145599/linus-talk-about-anti-vax-lies
2021-06-11 13:26:09	Nickwiz	"Maybe the bs=1 in the dd call stands for bullshit. :)", had forgotten about that one
2021-06-11 13:26:30	Samizdat	yandex.translate f(or)t(he)w(in)
2021-06-11 13:26:57	Nickwiz	yandex's OCR translate is kick ass
2021-06-11 13:27:00	Samizdat	Yandex is superior to Google in every way.
2021-06-11 13:27:23	Nickwiz	Just capture an area of screen and paste
2021-06-11 13:27:31	Samizdat	sweet
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2021-06-11 13:28:21	Nickwiz	Use it all the time in games with useless chat: https://translate.yandex.com/ocr
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2021-06-11 13:29:48	Samizdat	Google, the go-to destination for those who want their worldview shaped, massaged, and pre-chewed.
2021-06-11 13:30:36	Samizdat	Granted, Yandex does the same thing, but from a Russo-centric point of view -- the difference is, Yandex users are aware of the fact.
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2021-06-11 13:31:42	Nickwiz	I try to stick to ducky for searches, but sometimes use yandex and google on hard to find things
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2021-06-11 13:32:29	Samizdat	swisscows sometimes yields things duckduckgo doesn't, and vice versa.
2021-06-11 13:32:39	Nickwiz	Should perhaps write a plugin that do: s/google it/duck it/
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2021-06-11 13:33:01	Samizdat	Expecting anything meaningfully outside the mainstream from Google is a fool's errand.
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2021-06-11 13:35:12	Nickwiz	Well. I do not like they way they "tailor" the searches either. Did searches on "fedora", which I do not use, and after that all top searches was about "fedora" when searching for linux things. (On some unsanitized FF profile)
2021-06-11 13:35:30	Samizdat	Now, if you want unmassaged (but admittedly Eurocentric) results, yacy is the one.
2021-06-11 13:36:16	Samizdat	If more folks in North America would run their own yacy node, that would change.
2021-06-11 13:36:34	Samizdat	(and Asia, and Africa, and Latin America, etc).
2021-06-11 13:36:43	Nickwiz	Remember back in the early 2000's google was really good. They gave you what you searched for with no bs. Then it changed and never got better.
2021-06-11 13:37:06	Samizdat	It had its usefulness.  Emphasis on the past tense.
2021-06-11 13:37:26	Samizdat	I liked cuil.  Cuil lived up to its name.
2021-06-11 13:37:31	Nickwiz	That's my rant lol
2021-06-11 13:38:18	Nickwiz	Hmm. Can not recall if I used it.
2021-06-11 13:38:51	Samizdat	For a while, Internet Archive stored the cuil database (and I don't recall whether it was in the terabytes or petabytes), but either removed public access or deleted it.
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2021-06-11 13:41:16	moniker-	internet archive is the only thing that has "some"  credibility for objective state of matter on internet, but for how long before it gets compromised?
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2021-06-11 13:57:28	Samizdat	Good morning/afternoon/evening, jab-takers.
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2021-06-11 14:00:19	akk	Nickwiz: Remember the days when google showed pages that actually contain the terms you search for? (wistful sigh)
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2021-06-11 14:06:08	Nickwiz	akk: Hah, yes. When google-fu was a rooted in reality and not mysticism. Then came the period when the really interesting stuff was on page 4. Then it close to vanished with some Sauron level trickery.
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2021-06-11 14:08:42	Nickwiz	If smaug.com was not taken, I'd buy it and make it a redirect to google.
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2021-06-11 14:10:20	moniker-	that was before they implemented "ml fairness" program aka machine learning fairness which includes showing you false deliberately skewed results to create "fair" impression of what is
2021-06-11 14:10:24	Samizdat	Let's do a panty raid on libera and sing, "I'm In With the In Crowd."
2021-06-11 14:12:36	moniker-	have you ever tried going on google images search and typing white couple with baby to see the results
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2021-06-11 14:14:58	Samizdat	I'm in with the in crowd
2021-06-11 14:15:00	Samizdat	I go where the in crowd goes
2021-06-11 14:15:01	Samizdat	I'm in with the in crowd
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2021-06-11 14:15:03	Samizdat	And I know what the in crowd knows
2021-06-11 14:15:04	Samizdat	Anytime of the year, don't you
2021-06-11 14:15:24	azer_	i have a outie not a indie :)
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2021-06-11 14:56:46	Linkandzelda	could someone assist me in mounting a reported FAT16 partition? i tried mounting with vfat, fat, msdos, umsdos and nothing seems to want to mount
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2021-06-11 14:59:24	ananke	Linkandzelda: perhaps it's not what you think it is
2021-06-11 14:59:34	ananke	Linkandzelda: what does 'file -s /your/partition' show?
2021-06-11 15:00:18	Linkandzelda	ananke: /dev/sdb1: data
2021-06-11 15:01:32	Linkandzelda	ananke: this is what fdisk reports https://hastebin.com/ocevabikay.yaml
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2021-06-11 15:02:49	ananke	well then, it's not fat/vfat/etc
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2021-06-11 15:03:42	ananke	Linkandzelda: partition type is irrelevant. it's more of a label that may, or may not, correspond to what's actually there
2021-06-11 15:04:01	Linkandzelda	ananke: had a feeling that might be the case
2021-06-11 15:04:11	Linkandzelda	so its a guessing game to what it is?
2021-06-11 15:04:24	ananke	yes. what's the origin of this storage device?
2021-06-11 15:04:56	Linkandzelda	truthly unknown, it was left in a machine i picked up used
2021-06-11 15:05:17	ananke	then there's nothing you lost
2021-06-11 15:05:50	Linkandzelda	i lost nothing was just curious what was on it
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2021-06-11 15:06:08	rascul	probably someone's lost bitcoin wallet
2021-06-11 15:06:24	ananke	yes. and location of jimmy hoffa's burial site
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2021-06-11 15:06:47	rascul	location of atlantis, too
2021-06-11 15:07:17	ananke	Linkandzelda: you can run 'strings /dev/sdb1' and see if anything human readable shows up
2021-06-11 15:07:35	ananke	if not, it's been either wiped with garbage, or it was encrypted
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2021-06-11 15:09:17	Linkandzelda	might belong to the mexican cartel lol
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2021-06-11 15:09:45	rascul	best not take their bitcoin wallet then
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2021-06-11 15:09:53	Linkandzelda	the first few lines of strings output https://hastebin.com/durimadewe.yaml ...
2021-06-11 15:11:11	Linkandzelda	another string "This program cannot be run in DOS mode"
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2021-06-11 15:12:07	rascul	looks like some windows stuff i think
2021-06-11 15:12:08	ananke	Linkandzelda: you can try 'gpart' utility to see if it can find signatures of filesystems and re-create proper partition table
2021-06-11 15:12:19	ananke	otherwise, testdisk suite can try to recover individual files
2021-06-11 15:12:34	Linkandzelda	useful, thanks
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2021-06-11 15:38:35	m1cl	c
2021-06-11 15:38:41	m1cl	io/hpmud/musb.c 2099: Invalid usb_open: Permission denied
2021-06-11 15:38:46	m1cl	after updating
2021-06-11 15:38:52	m1cl	cannot use my external keyboard
2021-06-11 15:39:26	m1cl	poking on side and destroying on the other. the linux kernel
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2021-06-11 16:11:17	triceratux	guys it looks like linus turned this thing around. theyre now reporting negative covid deaths for the first time https://i.imgur.com/r7oj427.jpg
2021-06-11 16:11:26	triceratux	folks are actually rising from the dead
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2021-06-11 16:12:15	ignapk	hello does anybody hear me
2021-06-11 16:12:41	mnemon	triceratux: we were forerunners in that, already had negative deaths last spring
2021-06-11 16:12:49	ignapk	never mind :)
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2021-06-11 16:13:41	triceratux	mnemon: im shocked. shocked. i may have to google it
2021-06-11 16:14:20	essiambre	triceratux: why did you paste a link to an image rather than to the site it comes from?
2021-06-11 16:14:51	triceratux	in case it changes in the next fraction of a second ?
2021-06-11 16:15:00	essiambre	psheah
2021-06-11 16:15:06	triceratux	what is a negative death ? is that like a tax refund ?
2021-06-11 16:15:17	triceratux	https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_coronavirus_deaths_per_day
2021-06-11 16:15:22	mnemon	buggy stats software
2021-06-11 16:15:27	mnemon	or clerical error
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2021-06-11 16:16:05	mnemon	possibly a dirty read :o
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2021-06-11 16:19:13	rascul	triceratux stuff like tthis maybe  https://www.ktvu.com/news/alameda-county-adjusts-criteria-for-covid-19-death-reporting
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2021-06-11 16:20:18	rascul	oh it says not included in state figures though, maybe not in federal figures either
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2021-06-11 16:20:26	tanja	Seems like they've muted #freenode. Way to go to stay here and support this fascist server. Move to libera.chat now!
2021-06-11 16:20:36	triceratux	rascul: exactly. its a rebate :D
2021-06-11 16:20:46	rascul	tanja go away
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2021-06-11 16:54:28	Evidlo	Is it possible to edit a command in rofi.  For example, if I want to append an argument to an existing command in rofi's history?
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2021-06-11 16:56:41	Nickwiz	Evidlo: Ctrl+Space ?
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2021-06-11 16:57:58	Evidlo	that works, thanks
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2021-06-11 17:05:18	akk	On the negative deaths: my state reported those sometimes at the county level, when a death had been reported in County X but really should have been in County Y.
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2021-06-11 17:07:16	triceratux	makes sense. those corrections are probably always there. its just an unprecedented sign that theyve moved the index to negative territory
2021-06-11 17:08:16	koollman	nah. that's just early zombie apocalypse. Or viampire cover-up
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2021-06-11 17:13:03	akk	Though for vaccination stats, I'm pretty convinced they were double-reporting
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2021-06-11 17:13:34	akk	e.g. someone who works in county A but lives in county B got counted as a vaccination for both counties -- yay, our state numbers are really great!
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2021-06-11 17:23:41	questi	guys
2021-06-11 17:23:56	questi	type youtube in google and read description
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2021-06-11 17:24:39	questi	OMG
2021-06-11 17:24:40	questi	lol
2021-06-11 17:24:52	questi	fck brainwsh
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2021-06-11 17:33:48	Voxel	What?
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2021-06-11 17:34:17	questi	Voxel: google youtube and you may see
2021-06-11 17:35:27	Voxel	questi, nothing?
2021-06-11 17:35:39	Voxel	I don't get it, sorry
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2021-06-11 17:38:04	questi	under live LiveYouTube Live - Watch great live streams, such as live gaming ..
2021-06-11 17:38:09	questi	why gaming not cooking etc
2021-06-11 17:38:17	questi	LearningPride in the LGBTQ+ community can mean so much to so many ...
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2021-06-11 17:38:20	questi	emm
2021-06-11 17:38:31	questi	in learning could be - learning new things lol
2021-06-11 17:38:44	Voxel	I don't even notice that
2021-06-11 17:38:49	Voxel	Too busy
2021-06-11 17:39:02	questi	AboutOur mission is to give everyone a voice and show them the world 
2021-06-11 17:39:05	questi	show them lol
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2021-06-11 17:39:16	questi	not even show you
2021-06-11 17:39:17	questi	them lol
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2021-06-11 17:46:15	questi	Voxel: pick pockets used to steal from busy people ;)
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2021-06-11 17:54:13	questi	well then directly speaking many people are angry with those who do nothing
2021-06-11 17:54:15	questi	like people here
2021-06-11 17:54:25	questi	and yes some people kill on  a streets LOL
2021-06-11 17:54:37	questi	its not 'good' however passivity kills too
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2021-06-11 17:58:02	essiambre	questi: take it somewhere else.
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2021-06-11 18:02:19	questi	essiambre: you are on a same planet ;)
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2021-06-11 18:02:30	questi	just wait few more months
2021-06-11 18:02:32	questi	haha lol
2021-06-11 18:02:43	essiambre	What do you think is going to happen in a few months?
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2021-06-11 18:04:39	questi	Voxel: also it is not 'nice' to pretend
2021-06-11 18:04:51	Voxel	Say what?
2021-06-11 18:04:58	Voxel	What a heck are you talking about?
2021-06-11 18:05:06	essiambre	questi: what do you think is going to happen in a few months?
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2021-06-11 18:06:52	essiambre	So, questi, you're just here to troll?
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2021-06-11 18:08:44	oxek	just ignore them, don't feed them
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2021-06-11 18:10:17	Voxel	Holy freaking smokes... Just got a memory leak of 29GB from draw.io desktop app
2021-06-11 18:10:21	Voxel	Freaking 29GB, carl
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2021-06-11 18:18:01	ayecee	not really a memory leak unless it's not used but not freed.
2021-06-11 18:18:06	Voxel	https://i.imgur.com/yx0Cx5r.png
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2021-06-11 18:18:49	Dresden	Linux load averages, can I make it "/actually/ runnable only"
2021-06-11 18:18:59	ayecee	like, huge memory consumption isn't a leak per se
2021-06-11 18:19:13	Dresden	It's including stuff waiting for disk (which is sort of sensible) - so a system in IOWAIT (which could be used for other stuff and indeed will if there's stuff to do) looks worse
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2021-06-11 18:19:47	ayecee	Dresden: not without modifying the source
2021-06-11 18:19:49	Dresden	I'd like a pure "actually runnable CPU average" - largely because it's somehow at 10,000 with 2.5 threads free of 8
2021-06-11 18:19:57	Dresden	ayecee: shit, no sysctl?
2021-06-11 18:20:11	ayecee	no sysctl.
2021-06-11 18:20:13	Dresden	15 minute one just crossed 25k
2021-06-11 18:20:15	Dresden	but the thing's fine
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2021-06-11 18:20:26	Dresden	*2.5k
2021-06-11 18:21:34	Dresden	ayecee: I can't find any sort of online resources (just loads of blogs trying to explain it) - this doesn't seem like an unusual request and I'm pretty sure some of the new funky schedulers use such info
2021-06-11 18:21:49	ayecee	it is an unusual request.
2021-06-11 18:22:04	jjakob	how could I disable a systemd service through an EnvironmentFile?
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2021-06-11 18:22:33	Dresden	ayecee: what I meant was I've seen it mentioned like from a Google thingy on load balancing
2021-06-11 18:22:42	Dresden	I know some HPC-type schedulers use it (somehow)
2021-06-11 18:22:45	ayecee	seen what mentioned
2021-06-11 18:23:00	Dresden	Load averages of the run queue without iowait in
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2021-06-11 18:23:22	ayecee	with any luck you can find that google thingy again
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2021-06-11 18:25:18	Dresden	ayecee: https://sre.google/sre-book/monitoring-distributed-systems/ somewhere in this book
2021-06-11 18:25:22	Dresden	I remember because there was no pdf
2021-06-11 18:25:27	Dresden	good read
2021-06-11 18:25:34	essiambre	Dresden: would you be looking for something more along the lines of a realtime kernel?
2021-06-11 18:25:38	ayecee	cool, should make it easier to find
2021-06-11 18:25:44	ayecee	or at least more pleasant
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2021-06-11 18:26:25	Dresden	ayecee: got it
2021-06-11 18:26:33	Dresden	https://sre.google/sre-book/handling-overload/ ctrl+f "executor load average"
2021-06-11 18:26:50	ayecee	my link is painfully slow. tell me what you see.
2021-06-11 18:26:53	Dresden	essiambre: no, what it is right now is somehow the load average is at 12.5k on an 8 thread system, and it's got 2.5 threads idle
2021-06-11 18:27:13	Dresden	ayecee: --"
2021-06-11 18:27:14	Dresden	To find the executor load average, we count the number of active threads in the process. In this case, "active" refers to threads that are currently running or ready to run and waiting for a free processor. We smooth this value with exponential decay and begin rejecting requests as the number of active threads grows beyond the number of processors available to the task.
2021-06-11 18:27:15	Dresden	"--
2021-06-11 18:27:28	Dresden	That reads to me as "load average without io"
2021-06-11 18:28:11	ayecee	but not related to or derived from the system load average statistic
2021-06-11 18:28:27	Dresden	ayecee: well it'd be tough to derive it because it's smooth
2021-06-11 18:29:00	Dresden	ayecee: this has always annoyed me about Linux, if you run dstat, the IOWAIT column /sometimes/ means "idle but waiting", and sometimes mean "some painfully slow fuckwitt device is requiring the CPU to do IO and we're stuck doing that"
2021-06-11 18:29:09	Dresden	In the former case the CPU time can be used for something else if there's something to do
2021-06-11 18:29:09	ayecee	mind the language please
2021-06-11 18:29:38	Dresden	*mentally-deficient-mofo process
2021-06-11 18:30:27	Dresden	So ayecee right now my load averages of nearly 12k, the system's fine just waiting for something, in this case it's network stuff so free to do other tasks (if it had any)
2021-06-11 18:30:32	ayecee	what i mean is that this is not a modification of the load average code, it's a separately calculated statistic
2021-06-11 18:30:39	Dresden	The real load average is about 5.5 from CPU usage graphs
2021-06-11 18:30:52	Dresden	Well you could by discounting the "+ io stuff" count right?
2021-06-11 18:31:02	Dresden	Oh you meant language of the task at hand
2021-06-11 18:31:03	Dresden	My bad
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2021-06-11 18:31:53	Dresden	So ayecee I think you could, you just comment out where it's doing "or doing IO"
2021-06-11 18:32:08	ayecee	easy peasy
2021-06-11 18:32:10	Dresden	Something stuck actually doing IO with no mofo-esque DMA will be running anyway
2021-06-11 18:32:13	Dresden	So that should count
2021-06-11 18:32:30	Dresden	It's probably tasks_running + things_that_want_to_run + things_doing_dma_and_shit
2021-06-11 18:32:36	Dresden	If I comment out the last one, job done
2021-06-11 18:32:44	ayecee	mind the language, please
2021-06-11 18:32:45	Dresden	last one includes stuff waiting for device replies
2021-06-11 18:33:00	Dresden	It's probably tasks_running + things_that_want_to_run + things_doing_dma_and_waiting_for_device_responses_or_shit_to_happen
2021-06-11 18:33:12	Dresden	I don't know how else to phrase it, that's Linux's "IO ongoing"
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2021-06-11 18:33:36	ayecee	try harder. i know you're smart enough.
2021-06-11 18:33:40	Dresden	ayecee: get it? If the thing doesn't have DMA, it'll be running right now, not waiting for IO (but running while counting CPU against IO)
2021-06-11 18:34:04	Dresden	Thanks, most people don't get that "I know what I'm asking for"
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2021-06-11 18:34:41	Dresden	So ideas?
2021-06-11 18:34:50	ayecee	about what
2021-06-11 18:35:14	essiambre	I know IO on this computer is dog slow compared to how it was when it ran Windows. I think DMA has something to do with that but I never chased it down.
2021-06-11 18:35:32	Dresden	ayecee: well if I did comment it out and recompile, I imagine systemd AT LEAST would be a little bit upset
2021-06-11 18:35:38	Dresden	SOMETHING will use that which ought not
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2021-06-11 18:35:54	ayecee	try it and see
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2021-06-11 18:36:19	Dresden	essiambre: yeah but it could be DMA'ed or not, like the Raspberry Pi B (some early version) wa susing the SD card directly, so it had to wait for that retard-grade-slowness-compared-to-CPU to reply with data, this kept the core busy
2021-06-11 18:36:33	Dresden	essiambre: stuff with DMA issues the request, then the CPU can FO and do something else, it'll be notified when done
2021-06-11 18:36:33	isapgswell	what a AIO computer compatible with android??
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2021-06-11 18:36:44	ayecee	isapgswell: wrong channel buddy
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2021-06-11 18:37:03	ayecee	isapgswell: maybe try an android channel
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2021-06-11 18:37:12	isapgswell	ayecee oh than you
2021-06-11 18:37:22	isapgswell	ayecee thankz
2021-06-11 18:37:35	ayecee	:|
2021-06-11 18:37:39	Dresden	essiambre: so for example, if you're reading like "cat /dev/sda > /dev/null" style - that'll show a core as in IOWAIT on dstat, but unless your computer is trash if you /wanted/ to use that CPU time, you could
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2021-06-11 18:45:42	essiambre	What is "fo"?
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2021-06-11 18:46:47	essiambre	Oh, "flip off", or something like it? Dresden, read the topic.
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2021-06-11 18:47:26	Dresden	essiambre: what?
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2021-06-11 18:49:25	essiambre	 Dresden | essiambre: stuff with DMA issues the request, then the CPU can FO and do something else
2021-06-11 18:49:34	essiambre	(1) Mind the language, and (2) no SMS.
2021-06-11 18:49:54	Dresden	essiambre: sorry it means "fuck off" - it's British slang for "Let's F. O. and get some tea"
2021-06-11 18:50:15	Dresden	Some people say "Fo" - languages are constantly evolving, lol
2021-06-11 18:50:22	essiambre	Jim, Altwulf, have a look at dresden?
2021-06-11 18:50:28	Dresden	You asked what it was
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2021-06-11 18:51:20	Dresden	essiambre: it's supposed to be read in a friendly way, I'd like it if you respected my culture, you don't tell an enemy to "fo"
2021-06-11 18:51:37	Dresden	"The cpu is free to fo and do something else" - it's a dialect
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2021-06-11 18:51:48	rascul	it didn't seem excessive to me       "Foul language is strongly discouraged, excessive use of foul language is not allowed."  https://freenode.linux.community/channel-rules/
2021-06-11 18:51:56	altwulf	Dresden: we haven't left.
2021-06-11 18:52:06	Dresden	essiambre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_Vernacular_English see also the Scots English (recognised as a language)
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2021-06-11 18:52:20	altwulf	Dresden: did you not see what essiambre said?
2021-06-11 18:52:37	Dresden	altwulf: probably, which bit are you asking me about?
2021-06-11 18:52:51	altwulf	How about (3) don't argue policy in the channel.
2021-06-11 18:52:53	jim	Dresden, just because it's a saying, doesn't mean you should use it in a sentence ;)
2021-06-11 18:53:02	Dresden	I don't see a 3?
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2021-06-11 18:53:26	ayecee	maybe it's a c or a iii
2021-06-11 18:53:29	Dresden	jim you literally say "Fo" - like "Faux-leather" the firs word
2021-06-11 18:53:33	 *	rascul gives Dresden a 3
2021-06-11 18:53:33	Dresden	But we're straying off topic
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2021-06-11 18:54:21	Dresden	ayecee: https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Talk:Sysctl I got excited with io_delay_type
2021-06-11 18:54:36	Dresden	essiambre: io means "input/output" ;)
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2021-06-11 18:55:17	ayecee	well yes but what does mean mean
2021-06-11 18:55:28	rascul	not nice
2021-06-11 18:55:38	ayecee	oh :(
2021-06-11 18:55:40	rascul	io not nice input/output
2021-06-11 18:55:42	Dresden	ayecee: nothing relevant - some weird boot thing
2021-06-11 18:56:10	Dresden	Isn't 80h the POST code port?
2021-06-11 18:56:12	Dresden	BIOS sets that?
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2021-06-11 18:57:46	essiambre	80h _what_, exactly?
2021-06-11 18:58:01	ayecee	80h week
2021-06-11 18:58:08	rascul	80h hour
2021-06-11 18:58:20	Dresden	essiambre: not again man, fool me once and that
2021-06-11 18:58:36	essiambre	I'm serious. Is that a port, a software interrupt, what?
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2021-06-11 18:58:54	ayecee	a port, he says
2021-06-11 18:59:08	Dresden	HTTP :) Another abbreviation.
2021-06-11 18:59:12	essiambre	Didn't know they went that high, but it's been a seriously long time for me :\
2021-06-11 18:59:41	altwulf	Dresden: rules lawyering will garner you the kind of attention you don't want.
2021-06-11 18:59:59	Dresden	altwulf: I am trying to distance myself from essiambre
2021-06-11 19:00:22	essiambre	Why? I used half a can of Axe today!
2021-06-11 19:01:25	ayecee	smart, that way you'll still have half a can for the weekend
2021-06-11 19:01:45	essiambre	Tomorrow night, when all the clothes come off...
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2021-06-11 19:02:06	ayecee	you know what they say
2021-06-11 19:02:11	ayecee	gotta get down on friday
2021-06-11 19:02:22	rascul	https://rebecca.blackfriday/
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2021-06-11 19:07:09	Dresden	https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v3.4.96/source/kernel/sched/core.c#L2214 hmmm....
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2021-06-11 19:10:05	essiambre	I forgot linux has more than one scheduler.
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2021-06-11 19:13:56	Dresden	ayecee: I may have been wrong about how simple it'd be to comment out
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2021-06-11 19:14:55	ayecee	good reason to try it and see. i could tell you that but you wouldn't believe me until you tried.
2021-06-11 19:15:39	Dresden	ayecee: try what?
2021-06-11 19:15:39	ayecee	also i could be wrong and it'd suck to miss out on an opportunity to point that out :D
2021-06-11 19:15:52	essiambre	:D
2021-06-11 19:15:53	ayecee	try to make the change you have in mind
2021-06-11 19:16:00	Dresden	...do you see where I would :P
2021-06-11 19:16:09	ayecee	i haven't looked
2021-06-11 19:16:25	ayecee	i don't think it would be a trivial change
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2021-06-11 19:17:07	Dresden		p->sched_contributes_to_load = !!task_contributes_to_load(p);
2021-06-11 19:17:09	Dresden	maybe
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2021-06-11 19:59:47	porky	omg the channel will soon be < 1000 users
2021-06-11 20:01:11	rascul	oh noes!
2021-06-11 20:01:25	rascul	libera #linux is winning
2021-06-11 20:03:01	oxek	#linux is the biggest channel on freenode, if we ignore #freenode
2021-06-11 20:03:08	oxek	I mean ##linux
2021-06-11 20:03:26	oxek	should be renamed to #linux in my opinion
2021-06-11 20:03:37	rascul	#ipfs has a few more in it
2021-06-11 20:04:43	essiambre	##linux has often been *one* of the largest channels anywhere, but only sometimes _the_ largest.
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2021-06-11 20:05:48	oxek	#ipfs has 200 users, if you eliminate all the matrix connections
2021-06-11 20:06:09	ayecee	living the dream
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2021-06-11 20:08:10	rascul	get out of my dream
2021-06-11 20:09:13	ayecee	get out of my car too
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2021-06-11 20:09:18	rascul	oh sorry
2021-06-11 20:09:23	 *	rascul gets out of ayecee's car
2021-06-11 20:10:02	ZorinOS	Hello. The thought of logging in & level grinding in final fantasy XI online makes me want to throw up. Is there any conversation going on here that's even remotely interesting?
2021-06-11 20:10:13	rascul	there is not
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2021-06-11 20:10:19	rascul	thanks ayecee
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2021-06-11 20:10:36	pnbeast	thanks rascul
2021-06-11 20:10:45	ayecee	ZorinOS: it's as interesting as what you bring to it.
2021-06-11 20:10:53	rascul	you're welcome pnbeast
2021-06-11 20:11:09	pnbeast	you're welcome ayecee
2021-06-11 20:11:27	ZorinOS	I just can't to it any more.... I must take a break form that phucking FFXI. It's fustrating and making me angry.
2021-06-11 20:11:38	rascul	then take a break
2021-06-11 20:11:51	ayecee	ZorinOS: so what i mean? that's not remotely interesting.
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2021-06-11 20:11:59	ayecee	see*
2021-06-11 20:12:17	jim	ZorinOS, good to notice when you get triggered that way
2021-06-11 20:12:20	rascul	remotes aren't usually very interesting, though
2021-06-11 20:12:49	ZorinOS	In final fantasy 14 you can purchase mission skip-overs and level skip-overs but not in 11.
2021-06-11 20:13:21	jim	isn't there another game you could play?
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2021-06-11 20:13:42	ayecee	he's playing it right now
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2021-06-11 20:14:37	ZorinOS	Not really... I don't have the greatest video card inside my Optiplex990DT
2021-06-11 20:15:27	ayecee	roleplaying a bore
2021-06-11 20:15:27	ZorinOS	Many years ago, I basically finished everything in MAME 0.96
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2021-06-11 20:17:18	ZorinOS	The thought of giving those phucks at Square-Enix any more money to play FF14 makes by blood boil with rage.
2021-06-11 20:17:50	ayecee	mind the language please
2021-06-11 20:17:57	 *	pnbeast furiously searches the internet for the boiling point of blood.
2021-06-11 20:18:21	ZorinOS	The community of players in 11 is great the company sucks....
2021-06-11 20:18:28	ayecee	turns out it's just effervescing
2021-06-11 20:18:42	ZorinOS	Oops... please excuse me. Won't do it again.
2021-06-11 20:18:49	 *	pnbeast disappointedly throws the cold pot of pasta and water down the garbage disposal.
2021-06-11 20:19:37	ZorinOS	How about htis as a nice change op pace: being on topic.....
2021-06-11 20:19:38	ayecee	"blood boils at approximately the same temperature as water, around 100 degrees centigrade"
2021-06-11 20:19:43	ayecee	-- the internet
2021-06-11 20:20:03	ZorinOS	oops.. *on* topic....
2021-06-11 20:22:24	ZorinOS	Firewalls.com wants $200 for a 1 year license to Sophos Intercept X Advanced Server for Linux.  Being new to the Linux ecosystem, I honestly don't know if I should or *should not* be surprised by this...
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2021-06-11 20:23:06	ayecee	well are you or are you not surprised
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2021-06-11 20:24:26	ZorinOS	I'm torn between the two. don't know if I should be surprised or not be suprised.
2021-06-11 20:24:54	rascul	you don't get a virus every time you blink on linux
2021-06-11 20:25:03	ayecee	will you be surprised or not because you should or should not be
2021-06-11 20:25:40	ayecee	are your emotions based on external norms
2021-06-11 20:27:05	ZorinOS	Hmmm.... Lets try it this way.....  Does $200 sound like a reasonable number to protect a Linux laptop for 1 year?
2021-06-11 20:27:14	rascul	no
2021-06-11 20:27:28	rascul	especially not from an almost mythical threat
2021-06-11 20:28:25	ayecee	may be a reasonable number to buy the appearance of due diligence
2021-06-11 20:28:57	ZorinOS	That's what I told them over at Sophos..... The extended my free trial from 1 month, out to 2 months.... After that I'll have to pay to protect my laptop....
2021-06-11 20:29:23	rascul	you're not protecting your laptop from any actual threat you might have with it
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2021-06-11 20:29:53	rascul	it's mostly for big corporations to check a box on a compliance checklist, and to scam regular joe into wasting money
2021-06-11 20:30:01	ayecee	what about the threat of looking like he doesn't care about security?!
2021-06-11 20:30:15	rascul	heh
2021-06-11 20:30:25	ZorinOS	The Linux is really that much more robust - security wise - than Windows???
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2021-06-11 20:31:00	rascul	in some ways
2021-06-11 20:31:07	ayecee	yes. kind of. no. maybe. in a way.
2021-06-11 20:31:12	rascul	i don't know much about later windows versions to really compare
2021-06-11 20:31:26	ayecee	depends how you look at it, and how much you're willing to pay.
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2021-06-11 20:32:11	ZorinOS	I need to take into consideration that if I'm away from home, I may need to do my online banking on this laptop.
2021-06-11 20:32:28	ayecee	how will that consideration affect your decision
2021-06-11 20:32:41	rascul	in such a case you need to take into consideration that you're using the proper web site over https with a valid certificate
2021-06-11 20:32:55	rascul	if you don't meet such requirements, sophos isn't going to fix that
2021-06-11 20:34:07	jim	and pay is not just in money, it's in learning and reading about linux
2021-06-11 20:34:21	 *	rascul pays jim in linux
2021-06-11 20:34:21	ZorinOS	Oh no....   I *know* that the credit union I deal with absolutely has an above-board, squared-away web site.
2021-06-11 20:34:30	pnbeast	Wait, can I have some?
2021-06-11 20:34:40	 *	rascul pays pnbeast half a linux
2021-06-11 20:34:41	ayecee	you can have two!
2021-06-11 20:34:50	rascul	not from me, i'm low
2021-06-11 20:35:10	pnbeast	rascul, my computer starts to boot and just says li.  Now what?
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2021-06-11 20:35:28	rascul	boot a rescue distro and reinstall lilo
2021-06-11 20:35:36	 *	pnbeast reads the GPL trying to find a loophole to sue rascul.
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2021-06-11 20:36:06	jim	pnbeast, li is a code you get from lilo, it usually says lilo, then boots
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2021-06-11 20:36:23	pnbeast	Thank you, jim.  If only rascul were so generous.
2021-06-11 20:36:45	rascul	i told you how to fix it, jim told you what you were seeing
2021-06-11 20:36:47	rascul	team effort
2021-06-11 20:37:04	pnbeast	Okay, jim, rascul is your collaborator.  I see how it works, now.
2021-06-11 20:37:25	rascul	jim is the boss though
2021-06-11 20:37:33	rascul	team leader
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2021-06-11 20:37:46	pnbeast	Do you believe that, or are you preparing a civil defense case in IRC?
2021-06-11 20:37:51	jim	I'm hopefully not being bossy?!
2021-06-11 20:37:54	rascul	i elected him
2021-06-11 20:38:23	pnbeast	jim, I'll vote for you in 2022, okay?
2021-06-11 20:39:57	rascul	you're not on the team though
2021-06-11 20:40:08	rascul	or are you?
2021-06-11 20:40:09	jim	those codes show stages of booting... L means something, LI, LIL and LILO all mean something
2021-06-11 20:40:31	rascul	i vaguely recall there might have been one that flooded the screen with LI or some such
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2021-06-11 20:43:05	rascul	https://www.joonet.de/lilo/olddoc/html/user_21-5.html#x1-780006.2
2021-06-11 20:43:20	rascul	 LI    The first stage boot loader was able to load the second stage boot loader, but has failed to execute it. This can either be caused by a geometry mismatch or by moving /boot/boot.b without running the map installer.
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2021-06-11 20:45:37	 *	rascul is pretty sure pnbeast doesn't actually have a lilo issue at the moment
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2021-06-11 20:46:17	runk_knullhora	 ╰⋃╯ 屪  B==D~  （@ㅅ@） <--- titties. This message has been endorsed by the official libera.chat staff.
2021-06-11 20:47:45	rascul	go away
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2021-06-11 20:48:22	runk_knullhora	rascul: I wouldn't bother, it's probably a bot. Just ignore them.
2021-06-11 20:48:29	runk_knullhora	rascul: they come and go.
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2021-06-11 20:49:15	rascul	jim come back and chase off the riffraff
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2021-06-11 20:50:07	runk_knullhora	rascul: is he your personal servant?
2021-06-11 20:50:14	runk_knullhora	rascul: are you calling the shots here?
2021-06-11 20:50:20	runk_knullhora	rascul: are you telling ops how to op?
2021-06-11 20:50:29	runk_knullhora	rascul: I think he should make you an op.
2021-06-11 20:51:35	altwulf	runk_knullhora: take a hike.
2021-06-11 20:52:12	runk_knullhora	altwulf: pee in my mouth and I shalt grant you your wish
2021-06-11 20:52:23	--	Mode ##linux [+o altwulf] by ChanServ
2021-06-11 20:52:35	--	Mode ##linux [+b $a:runk_knullhora] by altwulf
2021-06-11 20:52:47	@altwulf	Consider your request granted.
2021-06-11 20:52:50	<--	altwulf has kicked runk_knullhora (runk_knullhora)
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2021-06-11 20:53:07	rascul	altwulf wins this round
2021-06-11 20:53:34	altwulf	Won't win forever. Policies are getting strange and I won't know where to stand.
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2021-06-11 20:53:44	rascul	maybe try the floor
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2021-06-11 20:54:17	ayecee	tricky to do while they're removing sections of it
2021-06-11 20:54:21	rascul	i find it's generally good for standing, depending on the material, shape, level, etc
2021-06-11 20:54:36	rascul	it's ok as long as they don't remove your section
2021-06-11 20:54:49	ayecee	and you don't move, i guess
2021-06-11 20:55:10	rascul	you could probably hop a little bit though
2021-06-11 20:55:16	pnbeast	I've already started to wonder whether its perhaps best to just let the trolls have the place, at this point.
2021-06-11 20:57:24	djph	rascul: "the floor is lava" ?
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2021-06-11 20:57:36	ayecee	be fair, you've been wondering that on and off for years
2021-06-11 20:57:42	rascul	djph is it, though?
2021-06-11 20:57:50	rascul	lava probably isn't good for standing on
2021-06-11 20:57:56	ayecee	"the floor is missing"
2021-06-11 20:58:04	ayecee	more of a bofh style game
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2021-06-11 20:58:18	rascul	missing floors aren't very good for standing on
2021-06-11 20:58:24	djph	rascul: heh, my kiddo just heard of that game from daycare today, so had fun before bed
2021-06-11 20:58:25	ayecee	below the floor is a pit with quicklime
2021-06-11 20:58:29	rascul	hehe
2021-06-11 20:58:41	rascul	ayecee at least it's not quicktime though
2021-06-11 20:58:48	djph	rascul: no, but missing sections are good for stretching some thicknet across at about ankle height
2021-06-11 20:59:45	ayecee	nice
2021-06-11 21:00:07	rascul	kinda mean to be calling the net thick, isn't it?
2021-06-11 21:01:44	altwulf	pnbeast: trust me, it's going to be a losing fight. Changes to network policy won't sustain the kind of environment we need.
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2021-06-11 21:07:04	pnbeast	altwulf, I think I understand that, but it seems like the loss of a venue, not the actual show.  The new place is open for business.
2021-06-11 21:08:04	djph	rascul: er, you do know what thicknet is, right?
2021-06-11 21:08:34	pnbeast	Didn't they use vampire clamps with thicknet?  It almost sounds like a spoof of networking!
2021-06-11 21:08:36	rascul	i do
2021-06-11 21:08:40	rascul	i was trying to make a joke :(
2021-06-11 21:08:56	pnbeast	rascul, don't worry, I laughed.
2021-06-11 21:09:00	 *	rascul wins
2021-06-11 21:09:08	pnbeast	Now can I have one of your beers?
2021-06-11 21:09:23	akk	Oh, wow, remember having to plug in only at certain places on the cable? Wiring sure is easier now.
2021-06-11 21:09:32	 *	rascul hands pnbeast one beer
2021-06-11 21:09:38	pnbeast	Yay!
2021-06-11 21:09:50	akk	And if you wanted to do something other than a vampire tap, it meant taking down the net for the whole building while you plugged in the new transceiver.
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2021-06-11 21:10:19	djph	pnbeast: yeah, it's basically 12 gauge copper with dielectric then shiel braid ... IIRC something like 3/8" (~8mm) in diameter
2021-06-11 21:10:40	pnbeast	Remember different SCSI cables and different terminators on those?  Everything was horrible 25 years ago.
2021-06-11 21:11:10	pnbeast	Hooking up Christmas trees on serial cables to try to guess why some connection wasn't working?
2021-06-11 21:11:32	djph	thankfully I only got to work with that as "the old kit"
2021-06-11 21:11:34	akk	oh, yeah, the terminators
2021-06-11 21:11:49	ayecee	wait like literal christmas trees or
2021-06-11 21:12:01	djph	ugh, I HATED having to deal with AUI cables
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2021-06-11 21:12:24	akk	not a computer thing, but there were also the xmas light strings where if one bulb died, the whole string went dark
2021-06-11 21:12:32	pnbeast	No, little boxes with red & green LEDs to show both sides of the serial connection, which lines were... well, whatever they were to light up the correct LEDs.
2021-06-11 21:12:43	ayecee	fancy
2021-06-11 21:12:50	djph	akk: hah, we had those growing up
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2021-06-11 21:13:29	djph	I remember every year dad getting all upset over one bulb bit it ... and every year "why don't we get the newer ones?"
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2021-06-11 21:14:47	essiambre	What is "AUI" cable?
2021-06-11 21:15:18	rascul	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attachment_Unit_Interface
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2021-06-11 21:15:46	essiambre	pnbeast, there were computer shops that had people who didn't know one darn thing about computers EXCEPT all these different connectors.
2021-06-11 21:16:33	essiambre	rascul, thanks.
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2021-06-11 21:17:44	pnbeast	How long can I run w/ the old man rant?  Twenty five years ago you didn't always have the luxury of complaining about a lack of packages.  You usually counted yourself *lucky* if you could get a tarball with autoconf, which sometimes chose the right options for your arch.
2021-06-11 21:17:47	ayecee	i think i've seen an AUI in person t not one that was in use
2021-06-11 21:18:05	djph	pnbeast: heh, you got autoconf?
2021-06-11 21:18:10	altwulf	pnbeast: "with", not "w/" }:<
2021-06-11 21:18:20	pnbeast	Remember when Perl programs were amazing and simple, instead of "like reading line noise"?
2021-06-11 21:18:27	essiambre	No.
2021-06-11 21:18:44	pnbeast	altwulf, that's not SMS.  That's an age old abbreviation.  If lol is kosher, w/ and w/out certainly are.
2021-06-11 21:19:15	pnbeast	I'm pretty sure I've *typewritten* w/ and w/out, back in the 90s.
2021-06-11 21:19:16	altwulf	The grumpy old man has SPOKEN.
2021-06-11 21:19:34	djph	ayecee: in college, there were a couple of ancient network segments in the old science building.  Not that they were used for a lot (mostly one-off research project, because the building was built in the 60s, and it was a bomb shelter, so ... well ... if anything happens to go wrong...)
2021-06-11 21:20:40	akk	pnbeast: I do. I remember when perl was simple enough that you could man perl >perl.man, and use that as a reference to write simple scripts.
2021-06-11 21:21:24	essiambre	I think I started using perl somewhere around 4.something. A lot has changed since.
2021-06-11 21:22:00	pnbeast	Circa 2000, I was in the math building at my university and a guy walked in with a TDR to troubleshoot some networking problem in some coax wiring, maybe thicknet.  I knew what it was from another part of my life and had a brief but very interesting conversation with him about computer networking.
2021-06-11 21:22:05	essiambre	Only reason I liked it was that it kicked awk's butt.
2021-06-11 21:22:12	pnbeast	That blew my mind, not that it means much to do so.
2021-06-11 21:22:54	 *	rascul points the fan at pnbeast's mind
2021-06-11 21:23:13	pnbeast	Nothing can cool my fevered imagination.
2021-06-11 21:23:28	essiambre	One nice thing computers back in those days: heat bills (if you had gas) didn't rise much.
2021-06-11 21:24:36	pnbeast	Yeah!  We had a Sun w/ a small disk array in our office for a while.  It warmed the room.
2021-06-11 21:26:25	essiambre	Just don't eat lots of beans before going into that room.
2021-06-11 21:26:37	altwulf	pnbeast: "with", not "w/".
2021-06-11 21:27:16	pnbeast	lol
2021-06-11 21:27:31	altwulf	}:< }:< }:<
2021-06-11 21:27:38	ayecee	kids these days
2021-06-11 21:28:06	altwulf	Kinder immer.
2021-06-11 21:28:13	pnbeast	English...
2021-06-11 21:28:45	ayecee	kids always
2021-06-11 21:29:39	altwulf	Never grow old. It ain't groovy.
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2021-06-11 21:32:50	ayecee	the alternative ain't great either
2021-06-11 21:34:59	essiambre	.... "perchance to dream" ... ?
2021-06-11 21:36:48	ZorinOS	In December of 2001, I met up with an old friend that had just started working for AT&T, in Manhattan -  in that scary-looking windowless skyscraper downtown by the Brooklyn Bridge.  He told me that 80% of the wiring that was cut when the twin towers collapsed had been reinstated. He told me that the only reason the project wasn't 100% completed
2021-06-11 21:36:49	ZorinOS	by that time was because some systems hadn't yet been migrated off of Windows NT.
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2021-06-11 21:47:42	thyriaen	how can i have my system always launch certain applications in predefined work spaces ?
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2021-06-11 21:49:26	ayecee	what is a work space
2021-06-11 21:49:49	ZorinOS	I never had the time to do any testing... I wonder how Windows NT 4.0 would do no modern hardware....
2021-06-11 21:50:13	pnbeast	thyriaen, I'm not sure, but that probably depends on your WM or DE or whatever you want to call it.  (this is almost exactly what ayecee just said, in case it's not clear)
2021-06-11 21:50:14	ZorinOS	oops... ON modern hardware.
2021-06-11 21:50:41	thyriaen	i am using gnome3
2021-06-11 21:51:11	djph	ZorinOS: poorly
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2021-06-11 21:53:26	ZorinOS	My understanding is that NT has no built-in support for USB so everything would need a driver installed.
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2021-06-11 22:04:19	essiambre	MS would probably cackle "Y2K was a long time ago, dude, and we stopped writing user's manuals in King James English a long time ago!"
2021-06-11 22:04:54	essiambre	ZorinOS: seriously, almost nothing under the hood looks the same as it did twenty years ago.
2021-06-11 22:05:17	essiambre	You'd need a truckload of different drivers.
2021-06-11 22:06:48	pnbeast	Y2K was that day a few PHP website showed the wrong year, right?  Pretty shocking stuff.
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2021-06-11 22:09:55	ZorinOS	ok...  point proved.... I was also taking a quick look at YT.  not alot of installs ion modern hardware went well.
2021-06-11 22:10:39	ZorinOS	I'm off to bed. nn folks.
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2021-06-11 22:24:53	isapgswell	i would like a qsearch (quantum search) for criteria analysis of fwts and linux kernel/modules .
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2021-06-11 22:26:53	isapgswell	qsearch, debugging, testing, build and deploy
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2021-06-11 22:50:00	WiseSon	Hello All
2021-06-11 22:50:02	WiseSon	;)
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2021-06-12 00:35:27	Evidlo	why does firefox have its own internal clipboard, and how do I force it to use the X11 one?
2021-06-12 00:36:03	Evidlo	I've checked 'xsel -o -p', 'xsel -o -s', and 'xsel -o -c', and Firefox is pasting something different from all of them
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2021-06-12 00:39:58	phanes	that's a good question
2021-06-12 00:44:56	Evidlo	the Linux clipboard situation is just a complete shitshow
2021-06-12 00:45:41	Evidlo	and with wayland it is even shittier
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2021-06-12 00:53:03	phanes	dunno, i never adopted wayland
2021-06-12 00:53:32	phanes	im not a gnome user so i was never forced to out of proprietary interest
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2021-06-12 01:13:25	essiambre	I've been a KDE man for so long it's hard to imagine parting with it.
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2021-06-12 02:48:03	Descartes	How do you log in to your server?
2021-06-12 02:48:41	Descartes	I want to try doing what Eli does at 7m35 sec:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JqxRLHGalI
2021-06-12 02:49:21	essiambre	What makes you think people want to click on random links?
2021-06-12 02:49:47	Descartes	yYou can ignore the question, if it fails to interest you
2021-06-12 02:52:43	essiambre	OK, well, when I log into my server, I just type in ssh someuser@123.234.122.201 and supply a password. :P
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2021-06-12 02:54:23	Descartes	How did you get those 12 numbers?
2021-06-12 02:54:28	jim	Descartes, generally I ssh into it
2021-06-12 02:55:30	Descartes	do those 12 numbers represent your local IP address?
2021-06-12 02:55:43	Descartes	or your public IP address?
2021-06-12 02:58:39	essiambre	A random number generator.
2021-06-12 03:00:19	essiambre	Descartes: what kind of "server" are you trying to log into?
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2021-06-12 03:02:14	Descartes	I don't know if I have my own server
2021-06-12 03:02:31	Descartes	I'm probably using my ISP's server
2021-06-12 03:02:46	Descartes	Which server is Eli using in that video?
2021-06-12 03:04:21	Descartes	spend 5 second watching 7m 35 sec and you can see the server he logs into
2021-06-12 03:04:31	Descartes	I tried to log into my own server like that and failed
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2021-06-12 03:05:25	Descartes	which IP address should I use to login to?
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2021-06-12 03:06:11	Descartes	$ ssh finrod@123.456.789.012
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2021-06-12 03:06:24	Descartes	is that the right command?
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2021-06-12 03:14:26	Descartes	Can I ping myself to find the IP address of my NIC?
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2021-06-12 03:15:57	 *	essiambre shakes his head and heads out to get some cigs and stuff
2021-06-12 03:16:05	KindOne	Why not test it?
2021-06-12 03:16:16	Descartes	How do I do that?
2021-06-12 03:16:31	essiambre	How do you not know if you have a server or not if you're trying to log into it?
2021-06-12 03:17:13	Descartes	Aren't you automatically connected to your ISP's server through your router/modem?
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2021-06-12 03:18:09	Descartes	I think Eli's server is called ttyl
2021-06-12 03:18:23	Descartes	you see it in the video at 7min35sec
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2021-06-12 03:19:00	Descartes	But isn't there a command that gives you all that info?
2021-06-12 03:19:16	Descartes	everything you want to know about your local server and network
2021-06-12 03:20:44	essiambre	That is Ubuntu running as a guest OS in VirtualBox.
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2021-06-12 03:21:47	essiambre	(with no GUI; it's the CLI login manager prompt)
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2021-06-12 03:22:32	KindOne	I guess you want "hostname -I"
2021-06-12 03:22:33	Descartes	so if he was not running Linux in a virtual box, then he would have used the ssh command instead to login to his server?
2021-06-12 03:22:58	essiambre	That is not a server. That is Ubuntu 18.04 (no GUI) running as a guest OS in VirtualBox.
2021-06-12 03:23:13	essiambre	I didn't pay close attention, but the host looked like Winodws tome.
2021-06-12 03:23:18	essiambre	to me, even.
2021-06-12 03:23:53	Descartes	He's running Ubuntu and the command prompt says "server login"
2021-06-12 03:24:15	Descartes	then he enters his username and password
2021-06-12 03:24:15	essiambre	Yes. That's what the prompt *says*. I'm telling you what it IS.
2021-06-12 03:24:43	Descartes	ok, so the virtual box IS the server?
2021-06-12 03:25:18	KindOne	yes
2021-06-12 03:25:47	Descartes	thanks
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2021-06-12 03:27:33	Descartes	I ran this command:  $ ssh finrod@123.456.7.89
2021-06-12 03:27:46	essiambre	And why did you do that?
2021-06-12 03:27:55	Descartes	to login to my server
2021-06-12 03:28:04	KindOne	That is not even a valid IPv4 address.
2021-06-12 03:28:05	essiambre	How did you find the number to dial?
2021-06-12 03:28:26	Descartes	I used my real IP address, but gave you a fake one just in case
2021-06-12 03:28:37	essiambre	OH. That's OK, then.
2021-06-12 03:28:40	Descartes	protect privacy
2021-06-12 03:28:51	essiambre	No, that's perfectly find.
2021-06-12 03:28:53	essiambre	Fine, even.
2021-06-12 03:29:19	Descartes	ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.01 port 33: Connection refused
2021-06-12 03:29:37	KindOne	Is this vm running on the same machine you are on?
2021-06-12 03:29:51	Descartes	I'm not using a virtual machine
2021-06-12 03:29:55	essiambre	If you want to log into the guest Ubuntu running in VirtualBox, you (1) have to set that VM up for it, (2) have the Ubuntu server set up for it (sshd running), (3) an appropriate account in the Ubuntu VM to ssh to and (4) the Ubuntu VM's IP.
2021-06-12 03:30:00	Descartes	Just an old dekstop PC
2021-06-12 03:30:39	essiambre	You're not using a virtual machine? Then why did you link us to a YouTube clip showing a VM in use?
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2021-06-12 03:31:43	Descartes	may be I'm already logged in, automatically after I booted into the OS
2021-06-12 03:31:53	essiambre	I somehow doubt that.
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2021-06-12 03:32:13	Descartes	so why was the connection refused?
2021-06-12 03:32:17	KindOne	Lets startover. is this linux thing installed on the old computer or is this a live cd?
2021-06-12 03:32:32	Descartes	it's fully installed Linux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon
2021-06-12 03:32:37	essiambre	Did you not see what I said about having a few things set up beforehand, BEFORE you said you're not even using a VM?
2021-06-12 03:32:43	jim	what did you do that said connection refused?
2021-06-12 03:33:04	essiambre	He ssh'd himself.
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2021-06-12 03:33:26	Descartes	yeah, I just showed you the command I used
2021-06-12 03:33:38	jim	I guess he needs an sshd on the machine he's sshing to
2021-06-12 03:33:56	Descartes	$ ssh finrod@123.456.7.89
2021-06-12 03:34:06	essiambre	We haven't even figured out if he's actually using a server, a guest in a VM or an electric carrot.
2021-06-12 03:34:10	KindOne	Descartes, on the linux mint computer, open a terminal and type "hostname -I" that should give your LAN ip address you need to ssh into, if not get it from "ifconfig -a"
2021-06-12 03:34:39	jim	typical package for that, is openssh-server
2021-06-12 03:34:44	Descartes	I used the IP I got from "hostname -I"
2021-06-12 03:34:52	jim	should be installable with apt
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2021-06-12 03:35:33	Descartes	why do I need that package and what does it do?
2021-06-12 03:35:49	essiambre	Yup. I'm out for a while to get some cigs and stuff.
2021-06-12 03:36:20	jim	Descartes, so in your example, the machine at 123.456.7.89 needs openssh-server... what it does is start a server on that machine, so that it accepts and handles incoming ssh
2021-06-12 03:37:34	Descartes	You mean I'm setting up my own network for printing and sharing files?
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2021-06-12 03:37:40	Descartes	that's what the package does?
2021-06-12 03:38:18	jim	not printing, that's something else... but when you ssh to it, the destination needs an ssh server
2021-06-12 03:39:04	Descartes	so I'm creating my own free server?
2021-06-12 03:39:05	KindOne	If you want to ssh into any machine, the machine needs some flavour of an ssh server installed. since you are on mint, you can install openssh-server
2021-06-12 03:39:45	KindOne	Also " [03:29:19] <Descartes> ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.01 port 33: Connection refused "
2021-06-12 03:39:49	KindOne	Why port 33?
2021-06-12 03:39:59	Descartes	so I need:  $ sudo apt install openssh-server
2021-06-12 03:40:05	KindOne	Yes.
2021-06-12 03:40:16	KindOne	Default port is 22
2021-06-12 03:40:46	Descartes	yeah, again, protecting my privacy
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2021-06-12 03:41:07	Descartes	putting in fake numbers, cause I don't know which ones are private and which ones don't matter
2021-06-12 03:41:45	Descartes	so if I apt install that stuff, then I don't get connection refused any more?
2021-06-12 03:42:19	KindOne	correct
2021-06-12 03:42:29	Descartes	I'll google "sudo apt install openssh-server" to see if that will work
2021-06-12 03:42:46	Descartes	if it's right, then I can try installing it
2021-06-12 03:43:13	Descartes	after installation, do I need to reboot?
2021-06-12 03:43:51	KindOne	No
2021-06-12 03:46:25	Descartes	1.  $ sudo apt-get install openssh-server
2021-06-12 03:46:43	Descartes	2.  $ sudo systemctl enable ssh
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2021-06-12 03:46:58	Descartes	3. $ sudo systemctl start ssh
2021-06-12 03:47:17	Descartes	4.  $  ssh finrod@192.168.1.23
2021-06-12 03:47:25	Descartes	Would that work?
2021-06-12 03:47:34	Descartes	I don't need to reboot at any point?
2021-06-12 03:47:39	KindOne	No rebooting
2021-06-12 03:47:43	Descartes	thanks
2021-06-12 03:47:58	Descartes	do I need to close any apps before installation?
2021-06-12 03:47:59	jim	well
2021-06-12 03:48:00	KindOne	I thought installing crap would automatically take care of the ststemctl crap
2021-06-12 03:48:09	KindOne	no closing
2021-06-12 03:48:18	Descartes	What?
2021-06-12 03:48:36	KindOne	What what?
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2021-06-12 03:49:29	Descartes	I assume installing that crap will fix the connectiion refused
2021-06-12 03:49:41	jim	there would need to be an ssh server installed before systemctl start ssh would work... also, debian usually puts reasonable defaults in the server program config files, and then start the server program right up, as soon as the package is installed
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2021-06-12 03:50:23	KindOne	what happened when you tried to ssh in?
2021-06-12 03:50:36	Descartes	I showed you the results
2021-06-12 03:51:02	jim	Descartes, I think so, connection refused means the incoming request reached something that nothing is listening to
2021-06-12 03:51:14	Descartes	 ssh: connect to host 192.168.1.01 port 33: Connection refused "
2021-06-12 03:51:29	Descartes	I fudged the numbers to protect privacy
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2021-06-12 03:51:58	KindOne	you don't have to fudge 192.168.* crap, that is default LAN stuff for like the majority of the internet
2021-06-12 03:52:01	jim	oh, you might have to edit the sshd config file to use that port, then restart the ssh server
2021-06-12 03:52:15	Descartes	what's wrong with just installing the openssh-server and testing it that way I showed?
2021-06-12 03:52:39	jim	if you do that, the server will be listening on port 22
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2021-06-12 03:53:13	Descartes	What are the benefits of installing openssh-server and enablling and starting ssh?
2021-06-12 03:53:29	Descartes	are there any security risks?
2021-06-12 03:53:51	jim	then you can ssh to the machine you installed openssh-server on
2021-06-12 03:54:45	Descartes	Like what can you use ssh for?
2021-06-12 03:55:01	Descartes	can you use it for samba, printing, sharing files?
2021-06-12 03:55:29	Descartes	I haven't even seen the whole Eli video yet
2021-06-12 03:56:36	jim	and yes, there are some security concerns, as soon as somHacker finds it, it will start connecting to it and trying to log in as pretty much any random username... like, remember when Clinton was president? I think his email was prez@whitehouse.gov... on the other hand, hillary, was root@whitehouse.gov....
2021-06-12 03:57:45	jim	no, can't use samba to connect to an ssh server... you'd have to set up samba
2021-06-12 03:57:47	Descartes	Oh, he's using the server to host a webpage
2021-06-12 03:57:48	lockywolf	how do I make grub show the menu?
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2021-06-12 03:58:35	jim	lockywolf, maybe if you hold down keys while booting, like shift, and ctrl, it will show the menu
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2021-06-12 03:58:49	Descartes	Also, I don't think I'm paying for my own server, but my brother has already set up a webpage for me which I haven't used yet
2021-06-12 03:58:49	lockywolf	I am already in the grub> prompt
2021-06-12 03:59:10	lockywolf	and I have loaded the config file with the menu using the `configfile` command
2021-06-12 03:59:11	jim	oh ok... try hitting esc
2021-06-12 03:59:36	Descartes	My brother is hosting his own servers and maintaining them, but that doesn't really have any thing to do with me
2021-06-12 03:59:43	lockywolf	seems to have no effecct
2021-06-12 03:59:44	jim	oh, and what did you need the menu for?
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2021-06-12 04:00:24	jim	lockywolf, are you trying to boot something
2021-06-12 04:00:39	lockywolf	ok, ignore the menu, I just want to boot the menuentry called "test1"
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2021-06-12 04:00:42	lockywolf	how do I do that?
2021-06-12 04:01:14	jim	I'm not exactly sure... maybe they know more on #grub?
2021-06-12 04:01:23	lockywolf	let me try
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2021-06-12 04:03:20	essiambre	Decartes, if your brother is setting stuff up for you, why not ask him how to use it?
2021-06-12 04:03:32	essiambre	He could do something we can't: point and explain.
2021-06-12 04:05:51	Descartes	My brother is always busy
2021-06-12 04:06:02	Descartes	so I need to learn on my own
2021-06-12 04:06:47	Descartes	He lives 3 000 km from my place half way across Canada
2021-06-12 04:07:19	Descartes	We're not even allowed to cross the border, because of Covid restrictions and quarantines
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2021-06-12 04:07:48	Descartes	But I can't afford to fly that far anyway, and it takes about a week to drive there
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2021-06-12 04:08:52	essiambre	Yeah, just driving from Montreal to Windsor wore me down.
2021-06-12 04:09:26	essiambre	Just to be clear on a few things: you're working with exactly one computer, and you're not trying to connect to a server somewhere else?
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2021-06-12 04:10:25	essiambre	I gots my cigs, now, and gots me a couple litres of Gatorade to drink, and at least a couple hours before I have to go horizontal.
2021-06-12 04:11:11	fery	I have access to a remote server. I want to open GUI apps on it (e.g., firefox). How do I set that up?
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2021-06-12 04:13:12	essiambre	Fery, this is something I'd have to go through myself again before I could explain it. Concept: X forwarding.
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2021-06-12 04:13:50	essiambre	Others might say something about VNC, and if they do, they probably know more about this than I do, but X forwarding works.
2021-06-12 04:15:12	fery	Will check it out, thanks.
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2021-06-12 04:29:27	fery	Okay, I enabled x11 forwarding with ssh -x user@server-ip
2021-06-12 04:29:45	fery	Tried to start firefox but it said Error: no DISPLAY environment variable specified
2021-06-12 04:29:53	fery	So I set that to export DISPLAY=:0
2021-06-12 04:30:07	fery	But it now fails with
2021-06-12 04:30:08	fery	No protocol specified
2021-06-12 04:30:09	fery	Failed to connect to Mir: Failed to connect to server socket: No such file or directory
2021-06-12 04:30:09	fery	Unable to init server: Could not connect: Connection refused
2021-06-12 04:30:10	fery	Error: cannot open display: :0
2021-06-12 04:30:21	fery	Ideas? This connection is over VPN if that's relevant.
2021-06-12 04:31:51	Descartes	fery what OS are you using?
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2021-06-12 04:32:35	fery	Windows for the local machine, Ubuntu for the server I'm ssh'ing into.
2021-06-12 04:32:53	Descartes	are you using Samba?
2021-06-12 04:33:02	fery	I have no idea what Samba is
2021-06-12 04:33:15	fery	So no, I guess?
2021-06-12 04:33:16	Descartes	probably a stupid question
2021-06-12 04:34:29	fery	Also x11forwarding is turned on in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
2021-06-12 04:37:17	Descartes	I'm just trying to learn about networking and still want to install and run Samba since I now have a gaming PC that's running Windows 10
2021-06-12 04:37:55	Descartes	This old PC is running LInux Mint 19.3 Cinnamon
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2021-06-12 04:39:25	Descartes	the only thing stopping me from installing Linux Mint on that gaming PC is the fact that Linux can't handle any of my Canon printers and the fact that I hooked up a lot of drives so it can handle all the bloatware and crapware that Windows tends to use
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2021-06-12 04:40:25	Descartes	But I just discovered that I may be able to print docs on my PS3 using my Canon printers
2021-06-12 04:40:34	Descartes	I haven't tested it yet
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2021-06-12 04:40:38	ZorinOS	Wow....  VNC... That name is a blast from the past. I haven't used VNC on any platform in dog years.
2021-06-12 04:41:07	Descartes	what is VNC?
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2021-06-12 04:41:22	ZorinOS	virtual network connection
2021-06-12 04:41:38	Descartes	thanks
2021-06-12 04:42:57	ZorinOS	when my little one was very young I used to use it to monitor what she was playing.
2021-06-12 04:43:02	Descartes	the other thing that makes me want to format the drive with Windows 10 on it and install Linux Mint is that I wouldn't have to deal with those fracking annoying Windows updates
2021-06-12 04:43:49	Descartes	and not worry about malware, trojans and viruses
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2021-06-12 04:45:20	ZorinOS	I decided to get off of w10 because I always hated the idea of being an unpaid beta tester.  It's Linux that "just works"
2021-06-12 04:45:36	essiambre	fery: if I'd known you were using Windows on the local, I'd have not said "X Forwarding". :(
2021-06-12 04:46:30	essiambre	And yeah, the Walmart computer I'm using right now came with Windows on it. I did a bad. Oops. Now I'm running Kubuntu and a lot happier for it.
2021-06-12 04:47:34	ZorinOS	aren't those POS walmart  compuers kinda' locked down to w10?
2021-06-12 04:47:43	essiambre	O:)
2021-06-12 04:47:54	Descartes	also, what's the point in using Windows 10, if you can't afford to buy Microsoft Office 365 and Adobe Acrobat Professional?
2021-06-12 04:48:22	essiambre	If what ZorinOS said were true, I'd have been spending about 100% of my time in the WSL. :D
2021-06-12 04:48:37	Descartes	However, I think I can install Adobe Photoshop CS2 for free, cause I got it on a CD
2021-06-12 04:49:08	Descartes	and Gimp is pretty lame in comparison to Photoshop
2021-06-12 04:49:20	essiambre	As for the office software, if you need it but don't need to worry about sharing stuff with other Office users, you could just use LibreOffice.
2021-06-12 04:49:38	essiambre	I've heard that gimp is lame compared to photoshop, but it's far from useless.
2021-06-12 04:49:55	ZorinOS	GIMP can't compete with ADOBE PS.
2021-06-12 04:49:57	Descartes	yeah, LibreOffice is really good
2021-06-12 04:50:07	essiambre	I understand what you're saying; a similar comparison can be made between FOSS engineering software and the stuff I used to use on Windows.
2021-06-12 04:50:55	Descartes	Although, sometimes the formatting of MS Word docs on LibreOffice is kind of wonky, compared to Microsoft Word
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2021-06-12 04:51:38	ZorinOS	I have adobe potoshop elements 10 on my w7 desktop and it's hands-down winner over GIMP.
2021-06-12 04:51:52	Descartes	but may be I'm wrong.  I think the problem was that I was saving MS word docs on Microsoft Word, then editing them with LibreOffice and the formatting got fracked up
2021-06-12 04:52:11	essiambre	I imagine it would be a LOT wonky rather frequently. It's notoriously hard to keep up with MS Word - the converters, I believe, are all reverse-engineered.
2021-06-12 04:52:35	Descartes	nothing compares to Photoshop, even the old versions of Photoshop are better than Gimp
2021-06-12 04:52:59	essiambre	I'll take your word for that. I've never even *seen* Photoshop.
2021-06-12 04:53:09	ZorinOS	Absolutely! docs created in MS word look diffrent inside of libreoffice
2021-06-12 04:53:32	essiambre	Descartes: are you still in school?
2021-06-12 04:54:00	Descartes	But if you create and edit a doc on LibreOffice as for example MyDocument.doc or MyDocument.docx then email it to your editor, it should be fine
2021-06-12 04:54:18	Descartes	No
2021-06-12 04:54:32	essiambre	What kind of educational background and work experience do you havre?
2021-06-12 04:54:34	essiambre	Have?
2021-06-12 04:54:35	ZorinOS	I only use libre office of simple documents. if I need dosc witth complex formatting. MS Office is the way to go.
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2021-06-12 04:55:05	Descartes	You can create docx documents with LibreOffice
2021-06-12 04:55:13	essiambre	I'm not going to argue. The ONE thing I miss about Windows outside of engineering software is Microsoft Excel.
2021-06-12 04:55:47	Descartes	I never used Microsoft Excel much, but a lot of employers require you to use Excel now
2021-06-12 04:56:17	essiambre	That's a crime because most people even in professional settings don't need all the power Excel has.
2021-06-12 04:56:20	Descartes	Is LibreOffice Draw the equivalent of Microsoft Excel?
2021-06-12 04:56:23	ZorinOS	I get that... I do.... but I have no need for excel anymore
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2021-06-12 04:56:49	jim	more like inkscape
2021-06-12 04:56:56	ZorinOS	it's just that... drawing...
2021-06-12 04:56:59	essiambre	Descartes, you didn't answer my questions about your educational background and work experience. It's tough to know how to talk to you without knowing these things.
2021-06-12 04:57:20	essiambre	I don't know what MS Draw is, exactly.
2021-06-12 04:58:25	Descartes	All my work experience is with QuarkXPress, Microsoft Word, Adobe Photoshop and a little bit of Adobe Illustrator
2021-06-12 04:58:47	ZorinOS	I worked in the aerospace industry for a while and the Dick Channey cancelled the order for more F14 Tomcats....
2021-06-12 04:58:59	essiambre	So, commercial art, illustrations, that kind of thing?
2021-06-12 04:59:01	Descartes	I don't usually respond to personal questions
2021-06-12 04:59:20	Descartes	Photojournalism, reporting and teaching
2021-06-12 04:59:39	essiambre	OK, that explains why you don't have much idea of what a spreadsheet is.
2021-06-12 05:00:13	Descartes	Yeah, we didn't need to use spreadsheets, but some of my students were using them for math
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2021-06-12 05:00:33	essiambre	The equivalent of Excel in the LibreOffice suite would be LoCalc.
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2021-06-12 05:01:03	Descartes	LibreOffice Draw is equivalent to what in Microsoft Office?
2021-06-12 05:01:30	essiambre	I don't know because I've never even *touched* whatever Office might have had for drawing.
2021-06-12 05:01:51	Descartes	In teacher's college, all the math we did was paper and pencil: no spreadsheets
2021-06-12 05:01:58	essiambre	The kinds of drawing I used to do were the kind where you put arrows and numbers everywhere.
2021-06-12 05:02:03	ZorinOS	The day the first WTC bombing happened, I was so mad that I wasn't working with the aerospace company anymore.
2021-06-12 05:02:20	Descartes	I was not trained to teach beyond Grade 10 math
2021-06-12 05:02:47	essiambre	You don't have to have a lot of math to use a spreadsheet well.
2021-06-12 05:02:58	Descartes	and I didn't teach any math until 2008
2021-06-12 05:02:58	essiambre	You just have to have piles of numbers to crunch.
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2021-06-12 05:03:47	Descartes	also, in university we didn't use spreadsheets either.  I only took quantitative methods
2021-06-12 05:04:00	Descartes	way back in 2001
2021-06-12 05:04:07	essiambre	What are "quantitative methods"?
2021-06-12 05:04:14	Descartes	so it was all paper and pencil math
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2021-06-12 05:04:33	Descartes	Quantititive methods, statistics for psy
2021-06-12 05:04:50	essiambre	Ugh! Soft sciences!
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2021-06-12 05:05:26	Descartes	yeah, I never studied engineering, physics, math or computer science in university
2021-06-12 05:06:07	Descartes	Just biology and psychology
2021-06-12 05:06:30	Descartes	and some biochemistry
2021-06-12 05:06:33	jim	in support of which major?
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2021-06-12 05:07:05	Descartes	Bachelor of Education and undergrad in PSY
2021-06-12 05:07:28	jim	to be a teacher?
2021-06-12 05:07:32	Descartes	yes
2021-06-12 05:07:45	Descartes	and Honours English
2021-06-12 05:08:01	essiambre	Honours, eh? Oh, I forgot, you DID say you're in Canada.
2021-06-12 05:08:02	jim	did you graduate?
2021-06-12 05:08:07	Descartes	But later studied journalism
2021-06-12 05:08:37	Descartes	I completed all of the courses and all the teaching practicums with top marks
2021-06-12 05:09:13	jim	are you still studying for that degree?
2021-06-12 05:09:25	Descartes	No, I completed all my degrees
2021-06-12 05:09:48	Descartes	so what is your background?
2021-06-12 05:10:19	jim	I studyed mostly cs
2021-06-12 05:10:30	Descartes	what's that?
2021-06-12 05:10:56	Descartes	computer science?
2021-06-12 05:11:28	jim	computer science (which is a horrible name according to mit prof hal abelson, because it's not a science, and it's not very much about computers
2021-06-12 05:11:34	jim	)
2021-06-12 05:12:20	Descartes	My brother also studied computer science
2021-06-12 05:12:38	Descartes	at Carleton University in Ottawa
2021-06-12 05:12:55	Descartes	My alma mater was U. of Ottawa, nearby
2021-06-12 05:12:57	pnbeast	Well, it's about what we called computers, historically, or the work they did, at any rate.
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2021-06-12 05:13:18	pnbeast	But, yeah, it's a bad name.
2021-06-12 05:13:30	Descartes	It sounds accurate to me
2021-06-12 05:13:59	Descartes	Don't you study how computers work, how to program them, how to design software and how to fix hardware?
2021-06-12 05:14:17	Descartes	and learn all the computer languages?
2021-06-12 05:14:20	jim	well it's not very much about computers in the same sense that gardening is not very much about lawn mowers and shovels
2021-06-12 05:14:41	essiambre	Descartes: there are computer "scientists" in the world who can't get a computer to print "boo!" to the screen.
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2021-06-12 05:15:00	jim	or tht cooking is not very much about ovens, stoves and pots
2021-06-12 05:15:02	pnbeast	I think if you're going to make the quote, you should properly quote the "astronomy - telescopes" version!
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2021-06-12 05:15:07	essiambre	The term "computer science" is a pretty big honking umbrella term.
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2021-06-12 05:15:39	Descartes	I believe that's what my brother learned, so I think computer science seems accurate
2021-06-12 05:15:58	essiambre	You have to be in it to understand why the name stinks.
2021-06-12 05:16:17	jim	it's more about how computers interpret computer programs
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2021-06-12 05:16:59	pnbeast	The name stinks because people think it has something to do with the study of computers, rather than the math of how to compute things efficiently or determine whether they even are computable.
2021-06-12 05:17:42	Descartes	also, psychology is a social science and uses the scientific method.  I suspect people who study computer science would also be using the scientific method, is that right?
2021-06-12 05:17:45	jim	and what the structures, tools and mechanisms are, that are used in that interpretation
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2021-06-12 05:18:22	essiambre	Descartes: computer science is a lot of logic, craploads of set theory, that kind of thing. In that sense, yes.
2021-06-12 05:18:22	jim	maybe in some studies
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2021-06-12 05:18:59	Descartes	I believe my brother was studying physics, engineering to complete his degree in computer science
2021-06-12 05:19:13	Descartes	and math
2021-06-12 05:19:20	essiambre	And electronics, I should think.
2021-06-12 05:19:26	Descartes	and cryptography
2021-06-12 05:19:38	Descartes	yes
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2021-06-12 05:20:17	Descartes	He also studied biopsychology
2021-06-12 05:20:26	Descartes	probably as an elective
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2021-06-12 05:21:14	Descartes	Oh yeah, I never saw his thesis project
2021-06-12 05:21:58	Descartes	He developed some kind program to analyze and predict gene mutations
2021-06-12 05:22:15	jim	would you care to see a presentation about computer science?
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2021-06-12 05:22:30	Descartes	he probably got some ideas from his biopsy professsor
2021-06-12 05:22:43	Descartes	biopsychology prof
2021-06-12 05:23:06	Descartes	a utube presentation?
2021-06-12 05:23:17	jim	yeah
2021-06-12 05:23:24	Descartes	ok
2021-06-12 05:23:30	Descartes	give me the weblink
2021-06-12 05:23:46	jim	also, want to follow along, and try the examples?
2021-06-12 05:23:54	Descartes	why?
2021-06-12 05:24:07	Descartes	I'm getting my second vaccine tomorrow
2021-06-12 05:24:08	jim	if so, you'd install something
2021-06-12 05:24:23	Descartes	didn't think I would be up to late
2021-06-12 05:24:39	Descartes	install what?
2021-06-12 05:24:46	jim	guile
2021-06-12 05:24:59	Descartes	what?
2021-06-12 05:25:06	jim	what dist are you running?
2021-06-12 05:25:12	Descartes	Linux Mint
2021-06-12 05:25:22	Descartes	19.3 Cinnamon
2021-06-12 05:25:31	jim	ok, try: apt install guile-2.2
2021-06-12 05:25:39	Descartes	what is that?
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2021-06-12 05:25:48	jim	scheme interpreter
2021-06-12 05:26:03	Lutin	jim shouldn't you be sleeping by now ?
2021-06-12 05:26:19	Descartes	what is that used for?
2021-06-12 05:26:31	Descartes	it's 4:30 am here
2021-06-12 05:26:54	Descartes	my vaccine is 11:00 a.m.
2021-06-12 05:27:05	jim	to write computer programs...
2021-06-12 05:27:22	Descartes	for programmers?
2021-06-12 05:27:28	jim	well, here's the link
2021-06-12 05:27:36	TheHermann	4.30 am? XD
2021-06-12 05:27:37	jim	sure, programmers could use it
2021-06-12 05:27:44	TheHermann	daamm
2021-06-12 05:27:47	Descartes	I'm not a programmer
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2021-06-12 05:28:28	Descartes	but I'm curious to see the Youtube video
2021-06-12 05:28:42	jim	well ok... so here's that link: (maybe start tomorrow) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY&list=PLE18841CABEA24090
2021-06-12 05:28:53	Descartes	thanks
2021-06-12 05:29:00	jim	welcome
2021-06-12 05:29:16	essiambre	jim, what makes you prefer guile over other schemes?
2021-06-12 05:29:34	jim	easy to compile and install?
2021-06-12 05:29:53	jim	it doesn't actually matter
2021-06-12 05:29:56	TheHermann	what is the link?
2021-06-12 05:30:11	jim	to the video?
2021-06-12 05:30:17	TheHermann	y
2021-06-12 05:30:35	jim	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op3QLzMgSY&list=PLE18841CABEA24090
2021-06-12 05:32:08	TheHermann	tutorial about lisp
2021-06-12 05:32:10	TheHermann	?
2021-06-12 05:32:20	jim	pretty much
2021-06-12 05:32:27	jim	but it's much more than that
2021-06-12 05:32:55	jim	the first video spends 20 mins teaching all of scheme
2021-06-12 05:34:16	jim	the other 19 videos show aspects of the structure or interpretation of computer programs
2021-06-12 05:36:30	Descartes	I wonder if the term "computer engineering" more accurately describes what you learned
2021-06-12 05:36:44	Descartes	did you complete a degree in computer science?
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2021-06-12 05:38:26	Descartes	also, if you completed an undergraduate degree in computer science, can you call yourself a computer scientist, or do you need to have a doctorate or master's degree in computer science to use that formal term?
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2021-06-12 05:39:58	Descartes	I believe you need to complete a doctorate in psychology to earn the privilege of calling yourself a psychologist
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2021-06-12 05:43:40	Descartes	But there are people with Master's degrees who are practising psychotherapy, and I'm not sure if they can call themselves pychologists.  May be they can only call themselves "psychotherapist"
2021-06-12 05:46:47	essiambre	I called my psychotherapists "sweet stuff", "honey" and sometimes "doctor".
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2021-06-12 05:51:30	Descartes	It's no longer politically correct to call your psychotherapist "honey" or "sweet stuff".  That can get you in trouble.
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2021-06-12 05:53:09	Descartes	I even had some professors who didn't like being called "Professor".  They preferred to be addressed as "Doctor Smith" or "Doctor Brown" in the class.
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2021-06-12 05:58:02	essiambre	Such people are self-important snobs. Avoid them.
2021-06-12 05:58:03	Descartes	and in Teachers College, I had professors who also didn't like being called "Professor" in the classroom, because they wanted me to call them by their Christian names, which I thought was kind of weird
2021-06-12 05:59:22	essiambre	Last real job I had, I worked with a Doctor Boris W******, PhD in high energy plasma physics. I called him Dr. B.
2021-06-12 05:59:32	Descartes	all through university all the studs in my class, including me called our teachers "Professor" or "Professor Brown" all the time, even when our profs wanted to be called "Doctor Brown"
2021-06-12 06:00:15	essiambre	I'd have called them Dr., too. Easier to say.
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2021-06-12 06:00:45	Descartes	So, when our teachers wanted to be called by their Christian names in Teacher's College, I got confused and kept calling them "Professor" anyway.  It just felt so wrong and weird to call them John or Suzan.
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2021-06-12 06:01:40	simulant	Hi can anyone please help? I'm trying to enable cups-lpd so I can print from an old computer to my network printer. I got xinetd.d working, but when I send something to print nothing happens. Debug just says "Got signal 17 (Child exited), waitpid returned = 3013, {conn_free} freeing connection" but I don't get anything printing out... Thanks for any help at all!
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2021-06-12 06:02:41	essiambre	Is the network printer attached to a computer with a spooling directory?
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2021-06-12 06:05:42	jim	simulant, what prints to your network printer?
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2021-06-12 06:06:00	jim	yeah I got pretty much the same question
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2021-06-12 06:06:15	ZorinOS	I knew this on guy from Brookhaven National Labs that we called "The Hat"....
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2021-06-12 06:14:20	jim	simulant, so usually,  when someone comes to ask for help, we start a conversation...
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2021-06-12 06:15:02	ZorinOS	It's just after 6am here in New York... Too early...
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2021-06-12 06:16:11	ZorinOS	And... my HP LaserJet 1320n and CUPS do play nicely with eachother, so I had no problems.
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2021-06-12 06:18:21	ZorinOS	According to the test page generated by the initial setup with ZorinOS my printer uses something called FOOMATIC to communicate with the laptop
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2021-06-12 06:19:00	jim	I think that's a set of filters
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2021-06-12 06:20:20	ZorinOS	According to official Ubuntu pages, the vast majority of HP laserjets will "play nice" with distros in the Debian/Ubuntu dev fork.
2021-06-12 06:20:43	jim	yep, I got one of those
2021-06-12 06:22:08	ZorinOS	I purchased the 1320n from basically a scrap yard for US $25. and it worked.  The toner cartridge had 61% of it's toner unused.
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2021-06-12 06:23:51	ZorinOS	I have a local guy that's been officially blessed by Microsoft to clean up and resell machines that he gets in by the pallate full.
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2021-06-12 06:24:33	ZorinOS	MS calls this "MRR".  Microsoft Registered Refurbisher.
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2021-06-12 06:26:29	ZorinOS	27 inch, 16:10 aspect ratio (1920x1200) monitor US $80.
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2021-06-12 06:28:30	ZorinOS	Don't let anybody steer you wrong... If you can get a 16:10 monitor instead of 16:9, jump on that... don't hesitate.
2021-06-12 06:33:04	ZorinOS	The "oddball" equipment I enjoy having the most is the adapter that allows SONY PS1 and PS2 controllers to work on PS and MAC.
2021-06-12 06:33:42	simulant	Sorry Jim, just back now
2021-06-12 06:33:46	simulant	thanks for helping
2021-06-12 06:33:58	simulant	The printer does print fine from cups, as a network printer
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2021-06-12 06:34:13	simulant	for my other linux computer and for my new Windows laptop
2021-06-12 06:34:53	simulant	@jim but it won't work with cups-lpd
2021-06-12 06:35:55	jim	hi
2021-06-12 06:35:58	simulant	sorry Jim
2021-06-12 06:36:01	simulant	I had to nip out!
2021-06-12 06:36:08	simulant	I didn't mean to leave you hanging like that!
2021-06-12 06:36:24	jim	ok, no big deal...
2021-06-12 06:36:28	simulant	So I have a cups network printer working lovely already
2021-06-12 06:36:38	simulant	but I wanted to add cups-lpd
2021-06-12 06:36:54	jim	well lpr printing is like a text file
2021-06-12 06:36:59	simulant	so I installed xinetd.d and added the cups-lpd config file to its directory
2021-06-12 06:37:07	jim	so you might need some sort of filter
2021-06-12 06:37:29	jim	what kind of printer is this again?
2021-06-12 06:37:40	simulant	well i just needed the legacy way to do postscript really, maybe lpd is the right term not lpr?
2021-06-12 06:37:56	simulant	but the printer does work OK with cups, it is just a Samsung laser model
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2021-06-12 06:39:12	simulant	so I get this when I send something to print from my old computer which needs the cups-lpd support:
2021-06-12 06:39:13	simulant	https://pastebin.com/7FsjE2Wg
2021-06-12 06:39:25	jim	ok, then we need a way to get the PS to the printer IF it does PS
2021-06-12 06:39:40	jim	if not, we might need another way
2021-06-12 06:39:47	simulant	that's what shows when I run xinetd -d and leave that running on the printer network machine
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2021-06-12 06:39:57	simulant	I send to print, and then that pastebin output shows
2021-06-12 06:40:03	simulant	as if it recognises something has been sent
2021-06-12 06:40:08	simulant	but nothing happens
2021-06-12 06:40:43	jim	does the printer itself know how to do postscrip?
2021-06-12 06:40:44	simulant	I believe it does Postscript, but not sure how to check for sure
2021-06-12 06:40:56	simulant	i'll show you the model no.
2021-06-12 06:41:09	simulant	Samsung CLX-6260ND
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2021-06-12 06:41:24	jim	ok
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2021-06-12 06:42:57	jim	might this be at all helpful?
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2021-06-12 06:43:16	jim	https://www.openprinting.org/printer/Samsung/Samsung-CLX-6260
2021-06-12 06:44:50	simulant	thanks Jim, not sure what I would do with it though?
2021-06-12 06:46:11	jim	look at that driver, the one they recommend
2021-06-12 06:48:23	Descartes	What is a dummy password?
2021-06-12 06:48:39	jim	I think you would need to get the ppd file that has this driver, and put in the list of available ppdds
2021-06-12 06:49:19	simulant	so would that replace the normal Samsung printer driver? Cups currently says my drive is called "Samsung CLX-6260 Series PS"
2021-06-12 06:49:35	simulant	is "PS" PostScript?
2021-06-12 06:49:46	simulant	so it may already have PostScript if so?
2021-06-12 06:49:51	jim	then try to get into the web interface (which cups has/supplies) and create a printer definition that does lpr
2021-06-12 06:50:09	simulant	I'm in the web interface
2021-06-12 06:50:13	jim	yes, ps is postscript
2021-06-12 06:50:15	simulant	how do I make it do LPR?
2021-06-12 06:50:19	jim	oh ok
2021-06-12 06:50:23	simulant	ah great PS is there, so that is a good start thanks
2021-06-12 06:51:00	simulant	ah OK so is it under connection? when I go to Modify Printer option - it says current connection USB
2021-06-12 06:51:23	jim	so it looks like you already have the right driver, that-s good start too
2021-06-12 06:51:34	simulant	then under there is also LPD/LPR, but surely I need it to stay as USB as that is the physical connection to the cups print server?
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2021-06-12 06:52:37	jim	the thing is, lpr is supposed to talk to cups, and cups is supposed to send to the printer
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2021-06-12 06:53:07	simulant	so how do I get lpr to talk to cups ?
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2021-06-12 06:53:31	simulant	I have lpd running (or lpr if they are the same thing?) and cups working OK...
2021-06-12 06:53:31	jim	I think there's supposed to be a cups version of lpr
2021-06-12 06:54:24	jim	lpd sounds like the thing that lives in your computer that listens for lpr connections
2021-06-12 06:55:33	simulant	OK thanks Jim, so I basically did this: https://ferdinandkeil.com/setting-up-cups-with-lpr-on-raspbian.html
2021-06-12 06:56:20	simulant	Only I didn't install splix as I don't have the printer that guy does - and I already have cups working with my printer, it is really just the postscript support I needed with lpr/lpd for my older machine on the network
2021-06-12 06:56:49	jim	what's splix
2021-06-12 06:57:39	simulant	no idea what splix is, so I just ignored that...
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2021-06-12 06:58:36	simulant	but as I say, it seems to have almost worked. When I send a test print, the console of the printer server machine shows some output. (as I showed in the pastebin) but nothing actually prints out
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2021-06-12 07:00:52	jim	did you stop and then start xinetd after editing its config file?
2021-06-12 07:03:18	jim	also, the lpr you need is in the package cups-bsd
2021-06-12 07:04:42	Descartes	How do I check to see the workgroup and the hosts in the network neighbourhood after I edited the conf file by adding those two lines in https://linuxmint.com/rel_tricia_cinnamon.php
2021-06-12 07:04:45	jim	so, you can install that package using (as root) apt install cups-bsd
2021-06-12 07:07:14	simulant	Hi Jim, yes I started and stopped it. I also tried that cups-bsd one too!
2021-06-12 07:07:18	simulant	no luck
2021-06-12 07:07:44	jim	did the packages install oK?
2021-06-12 07:07:58	simulant	I started xinetd with -d added. That way it gives me output, and then that's where I can see what I popped in the pastebin when I send something to print
2021-06-12 07:08:06	simulant	yes everything installed Ok
2021-06-12 07:08:13	jim	ok
2021-06-12 07:08:23	simulant	does that output in the pastebin tell you anything, or is that normal output when you print something?
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2021-06-12 07:08:45	jim	probably it's in the setup of the printer definition in the web ui
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2021-06-12 07:10:00	simulant	i can't seem to find anything other than setting the printer driver, and stuff like paper type, size, quality etc etc
2021-06-12 07:10:03	jim	I wouldn't change the one that's already there (since it works), so instead, make a new one
2021-06-12 07:11:30	jim	in the web UI, go to the Administration tab
2021-06-12 07:11:39	simulant	OK done that
2021-06-12 07:11:40	jim	let me know when you're there
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2021-06-12 07:11:51	simulant	done that, just called the new printer Test
2021-06-12 07:11:54	jim	ok, see where it says new printer?
2021-06-12 07:12:00	jim	ok
2021-06-12 07:12:01	simulant	yes
2021-06-12 07:12:29	simulant	connection, I've picked USB again - as that is how the printer is connected to the server
2021-06-12 07:12:45	simulant	then it has driver list with the recommended one already highlighted that ends in PS
2021-06-12 07:12:45	jim	ok
2021-06-12 07:12:56	jim	good
2021-06-12 07:13:29	simulant	then just has all the paper settings etc
2021-06-12 07:13:42	simulant	add it in and it seems to be the same as the one i already have added?
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2021-06-12 07:15:10	simulant	then I set the new printer as "default", send a test to print and I get the same thing happening again...
2021-06-12 07:16:28	jim	how do you send this test?
2021-06-12 07:17:23	simulant	I just print to postscript on the other machine, which must find it, as the console on the print server gives an output. but nothing comes out of the printer
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2021-06-12 07:21:27	alexander-47u	hi all
2021-06-12 07:21:41	jim	does the printer do anything when you send it something to print?
2021-06-12 07:21:43	jim	hi
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2021-06-12 08:00:56	isapgswell	why not cpu writing into log file and gpu reading it?
2021-06-12 08:01:06	isapgswell	when needed
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2021-06-12 08:06:48	isapgswell	excessive delegating
2021-06-12 08:09:58	rascul	why?
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2021-06-12 08:22:35	simulant	the printer works fine if I send something to print via Cups from my other machines - but it does nothing if I send something to print via PostScript/LPR/LPD via machines that only support that protocol
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2021-06-12 08:26:05	tmm88	heyho everyone
2021-06-12 08:28:19	wigums	hey ho
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2021-06-12 09:06:20	c4pt00	update changes to docker image
2021-06-12 09:06:21	c4pt00	docker pull c4pt/cudaminer-nvidia-docker
2021-06-12 09:06:21	c4pt00	https://github.com/c4pt000/radioCOIN
2021-06-12 09:06:27	c4pt00	radiocoin-pool http://104.237.145.126:9555/static/
2021-06-12 09:06:29	c4pt00	as a daemon process to resume
2021-06-12 09:06:33	c4pt00	docker run -d -it --runtime=nvidia -v /opt/cudaminer-current-pkg:/opt/cuda --privileged --gpus all c4pt/cudaminer-nvidia-docker
2021-06-12 09:06:38	c4pt00	directly
2021-06-12 09:06:40	c4pt00	docker run -it --runtime=nvidia -v /opt/cudaminer-current-pkg:/opt/cuda --privileged --gpus all c4pt/cudaminer-nvidia-docker cgminer --scrypt -I 10 -o stratum+tcp://104.237.145.126:9555 --userpass RNshKJXooH2veVijkXGKzLQfBWgpPE7TQN:x
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2021-06-12 09:06:46	c4pt00	(09:01:20 AM) c4pt: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/c4pt000/radioCOIN/main/LINODE-GPU-CLUSTER-script-FEDORA-34
2021-06-12 09:06:49	c4pt00	(09:01:35 AM) c4pt: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/c4pt000/radioCOIN/main/LINODE-GPU-CLUSTER-script-FEDORA-34.pt2
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2021-06-12 09:37:16	Intelo	My drive suddenlty got io error and then sudo cryptsetup open /dev/sda disk2
2021-06-12 09:37:18	Intelo	Device /dev/sda is not a valid LUKS device
2021-06-12 09:37:20	Intelo	any clues how to fix?
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2021-06-12 09:38:44	OLDsKooL	do an fdisk -l and see what your LUKS partition is
2021-06-12 09:38:50	Intelo	checking
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2021-06-12 09:40:26	OLDsKooL	is it your boot partition?
2021-06-12 09:40:36	Intelo	OLDsKooL: no but partitionmanager does
2021-06-12 09:40:56	OLDsKooL	did you find it?
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2021-06-12 09:45:17	Intelo	OLDsKooL: see yellow highlighted line at left also https://imgur.com/VjbPCpH.png
2021-06-12 09:46:35	OLDsKooL	Intelo: but you have no partition table on that device (gpt or mbr)
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2021-06-12 09:47:48	Intelo	OLDsKooL: it was just working before. How can I check?
2021-06-12 09:48:04	Intelo	OLDsKooL:  is the partition table messedup / corrupted?
2021-06-12 09:48:09	Intelo	how can I fix?
2021-06-12 09:48:47	OLDsKooL	you don't really need partitioning table (it depends)
2021-06-12 09:49:10	OLDsKooL	try once more cryptsetup open *your drive name*
2021-06-12 09:49:17	Intelo	did
2021-06-12 09:49:18	Intelo	not working
2021-06-12 09:49:31	OLDsKooL	do you have important files on it?
2021-06-12 09:50:02	Intelo	what could be reasons of this message on a working disk few minutes ago?
2021-06-12 09:50:20	Intelo	yes, important. I took backup 2 weeks ago though
2021-06-12 09:50:56	Intelo	what could be reasons of this message on a working disk few minutes ago?  "Device /dev/sda is not a valid LUKS device."
2021-06-12 09:51:08	OLDsKooL	Intelo: i am not sure... i never had a problem with luks
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2021-06-12 09:52:04	OLDsKooL	so you can't access your files now?
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2021-06-12 09:53:42	OLDsKooL	Intelo: did you made the luks procedure correctly when you did your setup?
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2021-06-12 09:55:18	Intelo	it was working since months
2021-06-12 09:55:23	Intelo	so yes
2021-06-12 09:55:33	Intelo	OLDsKooL: I can't access the drive
2021-06-12 09:56:23	OLDsKooL	https://askubuntu.com/questions/309124/mount-lvm-encrypted-partition-on-external-hdd-device-dev-sdc5-is-not-a-valid
2021-06-12 09:56:41	OLDsKooL	check out the verified answer
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2021-06-12 09:56:47	OLDsKooL	maybe it will help
2021-06-12 09:56:50	OLDsKooL	let me know
2021-06-12 09:57:45	Intelo	df -h does not lists /sda
2021-06-12 09:58:41	OLDsKooL	you need to go to the verified answer
2021-06-12 09:59:00	OLDsKooL	it has a green verified image
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2021-06-12 09:59:29	OLDsKooL	it starts with: First, check if the partition is really encrypted :
2021-06-12 09:59:57	OLDsKooL	let me know if you found it otherwise i will help with the commands
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2021-06-12 10:09:19	OLDsKooL	Intelo: did you try it out?
2021-06-12 10:09:59	OLDsKooL	it could be a variety of reasons why luks stopped working on your drive
2021-06-12 10:10:28	OLDsKooL	whatever you do don't format that drive because it can be fixed
2021-06-12 10:10:49	node1	Could anyone please explain me why this happen? "Can't allocate interface tap0:avlease {  interface ."  I was unable to get ip for my tap0 interface while running openvpn.
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2021-06-12 10:12:16	Sigterm	hello all
2021-06-12 10:12:27	OLDsKooL	Sigterm: hi :)
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2021-06-12 10:33:20	Lutin	what do you guys think... someone wants copyright over script what has been made by a company but wants the company details of the company who made it in de the headers of the scripts.
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2021-06-12 10:44:56	ayecee	Lutin: what about it
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2021-06-12 10:50:33	akk	Sounds like a creative commons attribution-required license.
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2021-06-12 11:00:53	TheHermann	hi
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2021-06-12 11:03:34	TheHermann	i love 90s animations
2021-06-12 11:04:08	TheHermann	jim, nice video
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2021-06-12 12:06:15	LeoNice81	Anyone in here read Linux Pro magazine? I'm trying to follow this article about Startup times
2021-06-12 12:06:39	LeoNice81	i can't get the command apt install systemd-bootchart
2021-06-12 12:06:53	rascul	what distro are you on?
2021-06-12 12:07:19	LeoNice81	i can't get the command apt install systemd-bootchart to install it says E: Unable to locate package systemd-bootchart
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2021-06-12 12:07:24	LeoNice81	I'm on Fedora 34
2021-06-12 12:07:46	rascul	that article must have been written for debian or a debian derivative
2021-06-12 12:07:55	rascul	you'll have to find the appropriate package with dnf
2021-06-12 12:08:20	LeoNice81	rascul, yest it says thats what their using, should I try a similar command with yum?
2021-06-12 12:08:26	LeoNice81	dnf?
2021-06-12 12:08:33	rascul	dnf is the new yum
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2021-06-12 12:09:26	altwulf	Why did you try an "apt install" on a Fedora system?
2021-06-12 12:09:32	LeoNice81	rascul, ok thanks that worked! Now, I have 2 other related questions
2021-06-12 12:09:51	LeoNice81	altwulf, because I haven't used Linux since 2007, been reading alot
2021-06-12 12:10:06	altwulf	Oh! That makes sense!
2021-06-12 12:10:23	altwulf	LeoNice81: in that case, you need to hang out here for a while.
2021-06-12 12:10:36	rascul	and/or in the place noted in /topic
2021-06-12 12:10:40	LeoNice81	rascul, how do I get rid on the "This system is not registered with Redhat..." message?
2021-06-12 12:10:45	rascul	i have no clue
2021-06-12 12:10:53	rascul	i don't use red hat distros
2021-06-12 12:10:56	altwulf	Rascul++
2021-06-12 12:10:56	triceratux	LeoNice81: run lubuntu ?
2021-06-12 12:11:09	LeoNice81	altwulf, I don't have a problem with that, I would like to learn some KiCAD too but its way over my head
2021-06-12 12:11:12	[R]	rascul: you should get a red fedora... you'll be very dapper
2021-06-12 12:11:22	rascul	i had a fedora a long time ago
2021-06-12 12:11:25	LeoNice81	triceratux, I'm happy with RedHat, Ive been using it since I was 15
2021-06-12 12:11:26	rascul	it wasn't red though
2021-06-12 12:12:01	altwulf	Kicad ain't over your head, you just need to spend some time with it.
2021-06-12 12:12:31	triceratux	LeoNice81: i run fedora & i never see messages like that
2021-06-12 12:12:38	LeoNice81	altwulf, Ok
2021-06-12 12:12:53	[R]	rascul: did you look dapper?
2021-06-12 12:13:01	rascul	probably not
2021-06-12 12:13:10	LeoNice81	triceratux, do I need to have a login for the packet repository? I think I can get one for free
2021-06-12 12:13:30	[R]	rascul: you probably didn't say "m'lady" enough
2021-06-12 12:13:44	rascul	zero times isn't enough?
2021-06-12 12:14:26	LeoNice81	altwulf, I'd also like to learn grafana, I hear you can earn money setting up those systems
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2021-06-12 12:17:02	altwulf	I never knew about grafana. It makes pretty graphs!
2021-06-12 12:17:18	rascul	it does indeed make pretty graphs
2021-06-12 12:17:49	rascul	now we need one to make pretty giraffes
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2021-06-12 12:22:43	LeoNice81	ok so now when it says add this *n*itcall_debug ....line to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT variable in /etc/default/grub. Do I add that to what is already there, and if so with a space?
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2021-06-12 12:24:01	LeoNice81	right now it says this "resume=UUID=683402a7-b891-4da0-aabd-3e36a6b20d21 rhgb quiet", also could this resume command be slowing down my boot process?
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2021-06-12 12:25:55	LeoNice81	triceratux, rascul altwulf
2021-06-12 12:26:28	rascul	use the bootchart to see what's slowing down your boot process
2021-06-12 12:26:51	rascul	or use systemd-analyze
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2021-06-12 12:27:59	[R]	rascul: boobchart?
2021-06-12 12:28:03	LeoNice81	rascul, yes I'm folling the article and it tells me to add this n*nitcall_debug like to the grub configuration file, do I need to seperate if from the line that's already in there?
2021-06-12 12:28:09	LeoNice81	bootchart
2021-06-12 12:28:23	rascul	i don't know
2021-06-12 12:30:33	rascul	i don't mess much with grub nowadays
2021-06-12 12:31:28	LeoNice81	huh, then sudo update-grub dosen't work
2021-06-12 12:31:49	rascul	probably you have a different grub setup on fedora then what the article has for debian
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2021-06-12 12:32:47	rascul	really though, systemd has built in tools for analyzing boot times, messing with grub is not necessary at all
2021-06-12 12:33:14	rascul	run 'systemd-analyze plot > boot.svg' then open up boot.svg and see the nice information
2021-06-12 12:33:20	[R]	rascul: you don't play with your food?
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2021-06-12 12:33:32	LeoNice81	rascul, I'm just trying to follow the article
2021-06-12 12:33:36	rascul	[R] my food plays with me
2021-06-12 12:34:09	rascul	LeoNice81 if it's telling you to modify grub config to track startup times then it seems like the article is doing it very wrong
2021-06-12 12:34:21	rascul	or there's more context i'm not aware of
2021-06-12 12:34:22	[R]	you're eating klingon gagh aren't you?
2021-06-12 12:34:34	rascul	[R] i keep trying but it won't let me
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2021-06-12 12:34:42	[R]	lol
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2021-06-12 12:38:23	LeoNice81	rascul, huh,
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2021-06-12 12:38:43	rascul	really, just do the systemd-analyze
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2021-06-12 12:39:17	LeoNice81	anyway 'systemd-analyze plot > boot.svg' worked thanks
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2021-06-12 15:26:53	yanmaani	How's the migration to libera coming along?
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2021-06-12 15:28:06	[R]	why don't you go to libera and see?
2021-06-12 15:31:29	yanmaani	[R]: excellent on the social side, but not closed yet?
2021-06-12 15:31:42	[R]	what?
2021-06-12 15:32:46	Norrin	😂 just people looking for drama
2021-06-12 15:32:49	yanmaani	this channel, still open
2021-06-12 15:33:01	Prestige	yes it is
2021-06-12 15:33:20	Prestige	so is oftc
2021-06-12 15:33:24	Prestige	and rizon
2021-06-12 15:33:38	[R]	yanmaani: so there can only be one channela bout linux in the whole world?
2021-06-12 15:34:15	essiambre	We can have as many Linux channels as we damn well please, and we can have them anywhere we like.
2021-06-12 15:34:32	essiambre	We can start our own servers, if we really wanted.
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2021-06-12 15:34:45	essiambre	We are community, and we cannot be owned.
2021-06-12 15:35:16	essiambre	So, yanmaani, are you honestly curious, or are you just trolling?
2021-06-12 15:35:35	[R]	of course hes trolling
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2021-06-12 15:36:13	yanmaani	essiambre: The topic says "at least for a while," is the thing
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2021-06-12 15:36:54	Prestige	eh some mod said it, but this channel won't ever go away
2021-06-12 15:37:06	essiambre	yanmaani: your point?
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2021-06-12 15:39:15	yanmaani	essiambre: how long is 'a while'?
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2021-06-12 15:39:31	yanmaani	Prestige: you would say that, but you saw what happened to #python.
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2021-06-12 15:39:55	Prestige	no, I don't use python so I didn't see
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2021-06-12 15:40:13	Prestige	also channels prefixed with # vs ## are different
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2021-06-12 15:41:31	Dresden	Prestige: not sure that's true any more
2021-06-12 15:41:34	Dresden	Policy changed apparently
2021-06-12 15:41:42	akk	What happened to #python?
2021-06-12 15:41:55	Prestige	Dresden: ah, any info about that I could read?
2021-06-12 15:42:00	Dresden	Prestige: freenode's website
2021-06-12 15:42:03	yanmaani	akk: ops got k-lined and channel was closed
2021-06-12 15:42:12	yanmaani	if you ask about it in #freenode, they ban you from there
2021-06-12 15:42:18	Prestige	doubt it
2021-06-12 15:42:35	yanmaani	Prestige: try it
2021-06-12 15:42:45	[R]	lol
2021-06-12 15:42:49	essiambre	It's true.
2021-06-12 15:43:00	Prestige	probably people just trolling for no reason, as usual
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2021-06-12 15:43:06	Dresden	yanmaani: akk there's more to it than that, when Python ("" perl and others) decided they didn't want freenode's resources, rather than leaving they crippled their channels so users couldn't speak on them (or something like invite only, or quiet all ect) - so if you typed "/join #statistics" (getting redirected to ##statistics) or per or python to talk about the topic they fucked you over pretty good
2021-06-12 15:43:23	Prestige	don't know why people that don't want to be on freenode have such a problem with freenode still existing
2021-06-12 15:43:24	Dresden	So freenode closed loads of channels and redirected them eg #perl -> ##perl (they came back through)
2021-06-12 15:43:40	essiambre	Dresden, yanmaani, we have an -offtopic channel. Use it.
2021-06-12 15:43:41	Dresden	But they don't want to staff them, ##ubuntu doesn't even have a topic, so they've sort of been left in limbo
2021-06-12 15:43:58	akk	Interesting, thanks for the explanation yanmaani and Dresden
2021-06-12 15:43:58	kn\	server delete
2021-06-12 15:44:06	Dresden	essiambre: you really don't like me do you? It's Prestige and akk you want to tell that to!
2021-06-12 15:44:08	Dresden	I just got here
2021-06-12 15:44:11	akk	and sorry if I inspired off-topic stuff
2021-06-12 15:44:29	essiambre	Dresden, it's not you, it's the convo. It's off-topic. Move it.
2021-06-12 15:44:41	Dresden	essiambre: I told you it wasn't me
2021-06-12 15:44:45	Dresden	This guy
2021-06-12 15:45:08	altwulf	We have an off-topic channel. Use it.
2021-06-12 15:45:08	Dresden	So any Linux questions floating about?
2021-06-12 15:46:05	yanmaani	Dresden: #python was totally open though
2021-06-12 15:46:18	Prestige	All I'm saying is this channel isn't going anywhere, which is on topic for this channel
2021-06-12 15:46:23	--	Mode ##linux [+o altwulf] by ChanServ
2021-06-12 15:46:28	yanmaani	lol
2021-06-12 15:48:22	PsyanideRabbit	is this the correct syntax #rm -rf /home/Prestige  ? :)
2021-06-12 15:48:43	essiambre	Dresden: would you join me in ##linux-offtopic, please?
2021-06-12 15:48:46	Prestige	Can't have upper case usernames
2021-06-12 15:48:54	essiambre	PsyanideRabbit: don't do that.
2021-06-12 15:48:56	Dresden	essiambre: no, please leave me be
2021-06-12 15:49:25	essiambre	There are some things I think we both may need to understand.
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2021-06-12 15:52:12	akk	Seems like beating a dead horse at this point ...
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2021-06-12 15:52:36	[R]	akk: thats animal cruelty!
2021-06-12 15:52:41	 *	[R] calls the po po
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2021-06-12 16:05:16	Prestige	Is it animal cruelty if the horse is already dead?
2021-06-12 16:05:39	[R]	it's even worse
2021-06-12 16:06:14	essiambre	Horse meat. It's the other other chicken!
2021-06-12 16:06:26	oxek	let's not discuss these topics in here
2021-06-12 16:06:36	wigums	babies. the other other white meat.
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2021-06-12 16:07:00	essiambre	Great. Now I have to find my Austin Powers movies.
2021-06-12 16:07:01	[R]	GET IN MA BELLY
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2021-06-12 16:08:52	Dresden	Soooo any even mildly Linux questions anyone?
2021-06-12 16:09:03	PsyanideRabbit	best austin powers scene https://youtu.be/jMIDpJ8H7H0
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2021-06-12 16:09:44	PsyanideRabbit	dresden :: can you help me write a python bot to run on a vm ?
2021-06-12 16:10:02	Prestige	What kind of bot?
2021-06-12 16:10:11	PsyanideRabbit	an evil bot of course
2021-06-12 16:10:33	Prestige	I wonder if my old python irc api holds up
2021-06-12 16:10:52	PsyanideRabbit	dresden :: can I get a shell?
2021-06-12 16:10:59	essiambre	An evil bot with laser beams attached to its sockets?
2021-06-12 16:11:17	Dresden	.... no
2021-06-12 16:11:26	essiambre	An evil fembot of large calibre(s)?
2021-06-12 16:11:29	Dresden	PsyanideRabbit: I mean yeah? It's not difficult
2021-06-12 16:11:49	akk	I got some cheap laser diodes to attach to some raspi project some day, but I can never think of a good use for them.
2021-06-12 16:12:22	 *	akk adds linux related content
2021-06-12 16:12:50	essiambre	Put them on your girlfriend's T-shirt. It'd give a whole new meaning to the concept of "pointy".
2021-06-12 16:12:54	PsyanideRabbit	maybe running my bot on a rasbpi would be cool
2021-06-12 16:13:18	PsyanideRabbit	I can add some colors blinking red when someone talks to the bot
2021-06-12 16:13:23	Dresden	As opposed to literally any other computer
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2021-06-12 16:13:37	akk	blinkenlights are always good to add
2021-06-12 16:13:39	Dresden	Alright cya later
2021-06-12 16:13:46	essiambre	I'm still trying to get used to the idea of being able to run a bot on a PHONE.
2021-06-12 16:13:47	PsyanideRabbit	I do have a bunch of computers sitting around
2021-06-12 16:14:17	Dresden	Yeah computers computing - amazing stuff
2021-06-12 16:14:33	PsyanideRabbit	I would like my bot to self replicate onto vulnerable servers on AWS platform
2021-06-12 16:14:56	essiambre	PsyanideRabbit: NOW you're crossing a line.
2021-06-12 16:15:15	essiambre	Stick to laser pointies.
2021-06-12 16:15:20	Dresden	essiambre: c'mon man, there's not a chance in hell he knows how
2021-06-12 16:15:40	Dresden	PsyanideRabbit: that's ethically dubious, but we know you were kidding
2021-06-12 16:15:46	PsyanideRabbit	amazon just enrolled me into the 'sidewalk' program without me consent to share my internet connection so DEATH TO AMAZON
2021-06-12 16:16:04	DLange	did somebody see the petition to deny Bezos re-entry to earth after his space flight?
2021-06-12 16:16:10	DLange	found that a funny idea
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2021-06-12 16:17:04	essiambre	Links?
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2021-06-12 16:17:26	PsyanideRabbit	https://www.latestly.com/social-viral/petition-to-not-allow-jeff-bezos-to-re-enter-earth-floats-on-internet-as-amazon-ceo-gets-set-to-fly-to-space-on-blue-origin-flight-2540884.html
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2021-06-12 16:18:38	DLange	SLUG contains all of article, no need to click to read. SEO done right :)
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2021-06-12 16:18:57	essiambre	Heh.
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2021-06-12 16:19:48	Dresden	So anyone know what Linux does on Intel's new Lakefield stuff?
2021-06-12 16:19:53	Dresden	Serious Q
2021-06-12 16:19:59	-->	thyriaen (~thyriaen@45.178.75.13) has joined ##linux
2021-06-12 16:20:54	Dresden	Also how trivial would it be to fork a process and constrain the resources of the child. Specifically I'm after RAM but CPU time too (I figure the parent can just kill it if it takes too long)
2021-06-12 16:21:06	[R]	"what" it does?
2021-06-12 16:21:22	essiambre	I think he means "how well does it work"
2021-06-12 16:21:35	Dresden	essiambre: no
2021-06-12 16:22:11	Dresden	[R]: You've got a proper Cove core and 4 atoms (which means if trash in turn had trash, an atom would be that's trash) - but the Cove core has AT LEAST AVX2 and they're built for memory bandwidth and AVX512 stuff
2021-06-12 16:22:24	[R]	what?
2021-06-12 16:22:27	Dresden	So the abilities of the cores are heterogeneous
2021-06-12 16:22:33	thyriaen	Howdy, i recently switched to be using my laptop as a desktop replacement and it is basically stationary, plugged in and running the entire day :: is there a way i can set it up such that it does not constantly charge and discharge the battery but instead leave it as is and just use the power from the plug to run it ?
2021-06-12 16:22:59	[R]	thyriaen: i'll take things that have nothing to do with linux
2021-06-12 16:23:02	Dresden	thyriaen: it should stay charged once charged unless it's some really weird thing which cannot be powered by battery alone
2021-06-12 16:23:29	Dresden	[R] Android has policies and uses Linux to enforce them - so a little bit
2021-06-12 16:23:37	Dresden	Also we've got nothing else going on
2021-06-12 16:23:37	essiambre	Or maybe just remove the battery? :D
2021-06-12 16:23:44	[R]	Dresden: uses linux to enforce them?
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2021-06-12 16:24:20	Dresden	[R] yeah on some phones now the charge rate and that is software defined, if the battery get hots slow the cores down, so power management is a lot more involved than "ACPI to read the battery and hope it gives you something sane"
2021-06-12 16:24:30	thyriaen	the battery is non removeable :/ - why has this nothing to do with linux ? isnt the OS the thing that should control it ?
2021-06-12 16:24:44	thyriaen	i am not talking about a phone - just a laptop
2021-06-12 16:25:01	essiambre	thyriaen: might be softfware driving it, might be 100% bakeware.
2021-06-12 16:25:04	Dresden	thyriaen: can you pastebin /proc/cpuinfo - "cat /proc/cpuinfo"'s output
2021-06-12 16:25:05	[R]	Dresden: what does thermal throttling have to do with anythgin
2021-06-12 16:25:13	Dresden	[R] so phone batteries explode if they get to hot
2021-06-12 16:25:22	[R]	ok... and?
2021-06-12 16:25:44	Dresden	[R]: So a program reads the temperature and is like "whoa scheduler bro, we should be careful because the battery's hot"
2021-06-12 16:25:51	DLange	that's why we are not allowed nice battery packs on airplanes anymore
2021-06-12 16:25:56	[R]	no, the kernel manages thermal therolling itself
2021-06-12 16:25:56	DLange	_if_ they find 'em
2021-06-12 16:26:09	DLange	I mean, it is a game. Challege accepted :)
2021-06-12 16:26:28	Dresden	[R]: okay if you want to bicker about this, first all all what platform? Because we all know there'll be /some/ arm platform that does what I just said - but it's not like portable or generic
2021-06-12 16:26:35	Dresden	If you mean Intel stuff - sure, that doesn't
2021-06-12 16:26:38	thyriaen	Dresden, https://termbin.com/22gu
2021-06-12 16:26:47	[R]	huh?
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2021-06-12 16:27:05	Dresden	thyriaen: yeah that's not something like that, normal intel laptop - are you sure it's discharging when plugged in?
2021-06-12 16:27:34	thyriaen	Dresden, no, i am not sure - maybe the thing i have in mind is already happening
2021-06-12 16:27:42	Dresden	thyriaen: "sudo acpi -V" please
2021-06-12 16:28:29	Dresden	[R] on Intel Xeons, a machine check exception tells the Kernel "cooperate or you're getting powered down boi" since Sandy Bridge, there is overlap
2021-06-12 16:28:46	Dresden	To support stuff that can't just die because the machine turned off
2021-06-12 16:28:54	Dresden	And it's only on Xeons because Intel
2021-06-12 16:29:24	thyriaen	Dresden, https://termbin.com/h8zh
2021-06-12 16:30:16	Dresden	thyriaen: I've got an old Alienware that has naff battery management, I think you might be right
2021-06-12 16:31:13	thyriaen	Dresden, i don't think i am right - it stayed at 100% all the time when plugged in 30 mins ago i adjusted something tho
2021-06-12 16:31:16	Dresden	thyriaen: ..... I am curious now, while not great (and also not my area, I will go great lengths to avoid ACPI) - .... yeah I believe you
2021-06-12 16:31:30	Dresden	thyriaen: you see it says discharging while AC is online
2021-06-12 16:31:38	Dresden	It should be charging/charged/discharging
2021-06-12 16:31:45	thyriaen	i did tlp setcharge 40 80
2021-06-12 16:31:47	dukenukem3d	is says there are 2 bat slots, or am I wrong?
2021-06-12 16:31:51	thyriaen	so maybe it will stay at 80% mow ?
2021-06-12 16:31:55	Dresden	thyriaen: "Full" even
2021-06-12 16:32:26	Dresden	thyriaen: as batteries age they can hold less and less charge, yours holds 77% of "new charge" - and has 87% /of that/ 77%
2021-06-12 16:32:36	Dresden	dukenukem3d: it's ACPI so it's wrong
2021-06-12 16:32:36	thyriaen	yes
2021-06-12 16:32:53	thyriaen	i think my thinkpad has a split battery internally
2021-06-12 16:32:56	Dresden	dukenukem3d: it's not unusual to see like 17 cooling things reported, for 1 fan, and that fan not even being on ACPI
2021-06-12 16:33:03	thyriaen	they did that way back then
2021-06-12 16:33:13	dukenukem3d	tnx :)
2021-06-12 16:33:16	Dresden	thyriaen: it could also be ACPI's lies
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2021-06-12 16:33:31	thyriaen	entirely possible
2021-06-12 16:33:34	thyriaen	but back to the topic
2021-06-12 16:33:35	Dresden	thyriaen: I've seen that with batteries where you can swap one out in operation - not soldered down
2021-06-12 16:33:41	altwulf	dukenukem3d: "thanks", not "tnx".
2021-06-12 16:33:54	Dresden	thyriaen: .... I think we need to monitor it, you "go about your business" and then when it shows symptoms we check the logs
2021-06-12 16:34:32	thyriaen	Dresden, my thinking was - i always had it at 100% with it plugged in - and i thought it might be better to limit it to 80%
2021-06-12 16:34:51	thyriaen	but if it just leaves the battery alone  when its fully charged and plugged in and just draws power form the outlet
2021-06-12 16:34:54	Dresden	thyriaen: you almost certainly don't have that control
2021-06-12 16:34:56	thyriaen	i can go back to the original settings
2021-06-12 16:35:24	thyriaen	Dresden, what control ?
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2021-06-12 16:35:33	Dresden	thyriaen: to like say "stop charging"
2021-06-12 16:36:40	Dresden	thyriaen: so you don't actually have a problem? I got the impression before it'd charge, and while plugged in, start discharging, and then charge again and so forth - when it should just "stay charged, and use AC"
2021-06-12 16:36:58	Dresden	thyriaen: if you want that to happen, the extra charge/discharge cycles will wear the battery out - so you don't
2021-06-12 16:37:17	thyriaen	yes i want to prevent wear
2021-06-12 16:37:27	thyriaen	and i want it to stay charged and use AC
2021-06-12 16:37:51	Dresden	Alright
2021-06-12 16:38:17	thyriaen	is that the default behaviour of a laptop ? ;)
2021-06-12 16:38:20	Dresden	No
2021-06-12 16:38:43	Dresden	thyriaen: have you added like a directory to your path for your scripts or something? Would that be above your skill level?
2021-06-12 16:39:08	thyriaen	i can add stuff to my PATH
2021-06-12 16:39:18	Dresden	thyriaen: that you know what that is means "yes" - that helps a lot
2021-06-12 16:39:29	Dresden	I'll PM you now and we'll start the logging
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2021-06-12 16:40:05	essiambre	Why does it have to be in PM? Other people might learn stuff.
2021-06-12 16:40:10	dukenukem3d	I think my laptops start charging after <95% or so.
2021-06-12 16:40:11	dukenukem3d	..and now: IS there ability to say "stay charged at 80%" instead of 100% (for that is best for battery)?
2021-06-12 16:40:25	DLange	Dresden: yeah, don't do stuff in PM
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2021-06-12 16:40:36	[R]	DLange: sounds kinky
2021-06-12 16:40:48	DLange	it will lead noobs to get their systems hacked and what [R] says
2021-06-12 16:41:11	essiambre	Don't bate the DLange. He's humorless.
2021-06-12 16:41:14	rascul	the batteries have a bit of memory and if it stays at full charge all the time it can appear to drain fast
2021-06-12 16:41:17	essiambre	Bait, too.
2021-06-12 16:41:35	Dresden	DLange: we can't copy and paste here
2021-06-12 16:41:40	[R]	rascul: we need to integrate this technology with sink drains
2021-06-12 16:41:44	Dresden	So for practical reasons I'm going to carry on
2021-06-12 16:41:45	[R]	rascul: so they don't get clogged
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2021-06-12 16:41:54	 *	rascul shoves [R] in the sink drain
2021-06-12 16:41:56	DLange	Dresden: there's pastebins
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2021-06-12 16:41:58	essiambre	Dresden: never heard of a pastebin? There's one in the topic.
2021-06-12 16:42:16	Dresden	Okay ask me after and I'll paste our logs if it means that much to you guys
2021-06-12 16:42:19	essiambre	See what I mean? No humour.
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2021-06-12 16:42:38	rascul	it wasn't funny because you didn't include a smiley
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2021-06-12 16:43:04	rascul	s/you/somebody/
2021-06-12 16:44:13	DLange	strategic reserve: :) :) :) :) :) also :o)
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2021-06-12 16:44:42	rascul	don't forget the winkey one too
2021-06-12 16:44:58	 *	essiambre supplies dlange with some }:>
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2021-06-12 16:47:02	DLange	You should not typo quotes ^ :)
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2021-06-12 16:49:22	essiambre	You've never honed anybody?
2021-06-12 16:49:42	 *	essiambre offers a strop
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2021-06-12 17:23:17	isapgswell	how to log binary/script execution started from userland???
2021-06-12 17:23:28	[R]	isapgswell: huh?
2021-06-12 17:24:06	isapgswell	[R] i need logging userland launch a program/script\
2021-06-12 17:24:09	dukenukem3d	I wrote shell script wrappers replacing original binary name... not good but works
2021-06-12 17:24:20	[R]	isapgswell: you need what?
2021-06-12 17:25:15	isapgswell	[R] log programs/apps/scripts execution from session logged user
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2021-06-12 17:25:20	isapgswell	[R] understood?
2021-06-12 17:25:34	[R]	/the/program > /the/log.file 2>&1
2021-06-12 17:26:13	isapgswell	[R] all program launched by user logger session
2021-06-12 17:26:21	dukenukem3d	isapgswell, I thought you ment logging THAT a prog was executed... my wrappers final line then is   exec progname.orig "$@"
2021-06-12 17:26:22	[R]	what is "user logger session"
2021-06-12 17:26:50	dukenukem3d	...works with ONE or two programs only of cause
2021-06-12 17:27:29	isapgswell	[R] a program started from terminal or from a logged(user, password) session
2021-06-12 17:27:46	[R]	i just showed you how to log a program started from the terminal
2021-06-12 17:28:11	isapgswell	[R] i need all, any idea?
2021-06-12 17:28:28	isapgswell	mouse 2x click too
2021-06-12 17:28:28	[R]	well, yo uhvae the source to your shell
2021-06-12 17:28:37	[R]	so, go to town on it
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2021-06-12 17:30:41	isapgswell	[R] i will try
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2021-06-12 17:33:36	isapgswell	usbtypec uses same IRQ of normal usb 2/3?
2021-06-12 17:34:06	ultrixx	i guess he wants to log every start of a program made by a user
2021-06-12 17:34:08	[R]	ucb type c is a connector
2021-06-12 17:34:09	[R]	not a protocol
2021-06-12 17:34:20	isapgswell	i connected my igpu into a external monitor
2021-06-12 17:34:28	isapgswell	[R] no race condition??
2021-06-12 17:34:31	[R]	what?
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2021-06-12 17:34:47	isapgswell	ultrixx YES, you understood my point
2021-06-12 17:35:32	isapgswell	ultrixx and notify user, like windows vista but with no confirmation button
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2021-06-12 17:37:49	isapgswell	ultrixx startes from a logged session terminal and from 2x mouse click
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2021-06-12 17:38:31	isapgswell	ultrixx or 1x mouse click shortcut
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2021-06-12 17:39:16	rascul	isapgswell sounds like maybe you want acct
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2021-06-12 17:39:27	rascul	start the acct service then you can use lastcomm to see commands that have been run
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2021-06-12 17:41:13	isapgswell	rasculis it works with lsof?
2021-06-12 17:41:33	isapgswell	rascul is it works with lsof?
2021-06-12 17:41:46	rascul	what do you mean by that?
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2021-06-12 17:42:16	isapgswell	rascul can i use lastcomm with lsof integrated?
2021-06-12 17:42:28	rascul	i don't know what you mean with lsof here
2021-06-12 17:42:39	rascul	how do you want to use lsof with it?
2021-06-12 17:43:20	isapgswell	lsof shows permanent launched files
2021-06-12 17:43:29	rascul	it does not
2021-06-12 17:43:37	rascul	lsof shows open files
2021-06-12 17:43:39	isapgswell	sorry openfiles
2021-06-12 17:44:24	rascul	i don't understand how you expect that to integrate with something that shows what commands someone has run
2021-06-12 17:44:35	isapgswell	my point of view is lastcomm showup launched programs and lsof shows openfiles,
2021-06-12 17:44:36	isapgswell	it is a way to obeserve both in action?
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2021-06-12 17:45:03	rascul	could run them with watch
2021-06-12 17:45:09	rascul	if i understand what you're asking
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2021-06-12 17:45:34	isapgswell	i would like to trace a program while open/in_memory
2021-06-12 17:46:27	rascul	maybe you want strace?
2021-06-12 17:46:45	rascul	i barely understand you, i'm mostly guessing
2021-06-12 17:47:45	isapgswell	rascul a tracer program displayed like a dynamic tree
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2021-06-12 17:49:09	isapgswell	do you knoe tree program?
2021-06-12 17:49:15	isapgswell	*know
2021-06-12 17:49:28	stanrifkin	i search for a ubuntu package which has the manpages section 9
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2021-06-12 17:51:39	akk	stanrifkin: apt-file search usr/share/man/man9
2021-06-12 17:52:11	stanrifkin	yes did that - found only freebsd-manpages
2021-06-12 17:52:23	akk	There are a few other packages
2021-06-12 17:52:27	stanrifkin	akk: i am searching for linux kernel manpages
2021-06-12 17:52:43	akk	pipe it through | grep -v freebsd
2021-06-12 17:52:56	akk	but I don't see anything that looks kernel related there
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2021-06-12 17:53:56	stanrifkin	only some special manpages by drivers
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2021-06-12 17:54:21	stanrifkin	i googled and in the past there was a linux-manpages package
2021-06-12 17:54:40	stanrifkin	i wonder why it isn't in the current repository
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2021-06-12 18:09:20	questi	who here likes linux and people?
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2021-06-12 18:09:39	[R]	i hate linux and i hate people
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2021-06-12 18:10:47	questi	it's time to face reality this channel is filled with idlers who will be booted only eventually, idlers who speak less than once per week or not at all
2021-06-12 18:12:34	stanrifkin	akk: installed linux-manual deb from debian (older version).
2021-06-12 18:12:54	questi	so if there are at least two people who like linux and people we can do stuff
2021-06-12 18:13:10	yanmaani	stanrifkin: Try #linux on irc.libera.chat, more people there
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2021-06-12 18:13:28	stanrifkin	yanmaani: thank you
2021-06-12 18:13:36	questi	liberal is old loosers chan
2021-06-12 18:13:45	questi	libera
2021-06-12 18:13:57	questi	better use forums then
2021-06-12 18:14:36	questi	now that korean prince booted them they are gone xd
2021-06-12 18:15:08	questi	plus freenode policy prohibits advertising of other networks
2021-06-12 18:15:29	rascul	many people are on both
2021-06-12 18:15:49	questi	some could should close this channel on freenode xd
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2021-06-12 18:16:05	rascul	why close the channel?
2021-06-12 18:16:14	questi	for continuous breach of rules
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2021-06-12 18:16:29	rascul	oh?
2021-06-12 18:16:56	questi	advertising liberal in channel message
2021-06-12 18:17:04	questi	libera
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2021-06-12 18:17:28	rascul	maybe you could provide a reference for that rule?
2021-06-12 18:17:34	rascul	i don't see it here   https://freenode.net/policies
2021-06-12 18:18:04	questi	sure one moment I will have a look
2021-06-12 18:18:27	triceratux	questi: we can speak more than once a week if you want us to
2021-06-12 18:19:55	essiambre	questi: we have an -offtopic channel. Use it.
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2021-06-12 18:20:19	tinwhiskers	advising people of other places they may also seek help is not against any rules, even if it mentions the network who shall remain nameless
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2021-06-12 18:21:20	_Ev	If this is my static IPv6 "2605:3016:1600:5e00::/56"  my router WAN is set to this (but ubpingable ?) how do I set LAN side?
2021-06-12 18:21:54	_Ev	IDK if ISP gave all the information to set this up. IDK the IPv6 gateway like I have for the static IPv4
2021-06-12 18:22:02	rascul	what do you mean by "set LAN side" ?
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2021-06-12 18:22:45	altwulf	_Ev: "I don't know", not "IDK".
2021-06-12 18:22:47	rascul	seems like your router should be giving out dhcp leases on the 2605:3016:1600:5e00::/56 network
2021-06-12 18:23:01	_Ev	rascul: Not sure what I would set in the LAN interace. Perhaps it should just be DHCP LAN side
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2021-06-12 18:23:16	_Ev	Apologgies altwulf, been away a while; rought night too.
2021-06-12 18:23:16	rascul	generally just do dhcp so you don't have to bother
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2021-06-12 18:23:21	questi	hmm seems rules have been changed again o well
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2021-06-12 18:24:20	_Ev	With the WAN static IPv6 set (not gateway however), should the IPv6 address be pingable? Gateway required I would imagine.
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2021-06-12 18:25:03	rascul	the router might be configured to break the internet
2021-06-12 18:25:09	rascul	i mean, not respond to icmp
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2021-06-12 18:46:14	essiambre	Why is my phone telling me what the weather in Hawaii is when I'm in Iowa?
2021-06-12 18:47:39	yanmaani	_Ev: This channel is moving to irc.libera.chat #bitcoin and most active users have moved already.  You are more likely to get an answer there.  (If you're using HexChat, note that irc.libera.chat is not the same as 'LibraIRC'.  If you're on Matrix, join #bitcoin:libera.chat)
2021-06-12 18:47:45	yanmaani	ah, wrong channel
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2021-06-12 18:47:51	yanmaani	#linux, is what you want to go to - single hash
2021-06-12 18:48:05	isapgswell	all we need is android AI Cube OTF (on the fly) or p2p
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2021-06-12 18:49:04	bilb_ono	whats it called when I dont want to remember an ip address every time I want to ssh into some machine? So I can do ssh ubuntu@machine-that-does-something rather than ssh ubuntu@44.342.33.236
2021-06-12 18:49:49	NthDegree	bilb_ono, a domain name or hostname (depending on scenario)
2021-06-12 18:50:30	NthDegree	bilb_ono, if it's on your local network, you can set a hostname and avahi takes care of it for you (multicast DNS on local network)
2021-06-12 18:50:42	NthDegree	if it's on the internet, get a domain name or subdomain for it
2021-06-12 18:50:45	bilb_ono	oh do I do this in the ssh config file?
2021-06-12 18:50:50	bilb_ono	its on the internet
2021-06-12 18:51:04	isapgswell	all we need is android AI Cube OTF (on the fly) or p2p over vpn
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2021-06-12 18:51:22	ayecee	isapgswell: come on man. cut it out with the android AI stuff.
2021-06-12 18:51:32	ayecee	it's not like you get paid for each time you mention it.
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2021-06-12 18:52:16	isapgswell	ayecee sorry about you, AI is the future
2021-06-12 18:52:34	NthDegree	AI is a myth, the closest we have is Machine Learning
2021-06-12 18:52:46	ayecee	it's not AI like that
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2021-06-12 18:53:44	ayecee	bilb_ono: yes, you could do that with host entries in your ssh config file
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2021-06-12 18:58:13	isapgswell	NthDegree AI is more about non fucntional requisites
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2021-06-12 18:58:36	isapgswell	NthDegree *functional
2021-06-12 18:59:12	ayecee	it's a trap. don't take the bait.
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2021-06-12 19:00:27	isapgswell	ayecee the big problem related to AI is related to security/privary concerns
2021-06-12 19:00:35	ayecee	didn't ask
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2021-06-12 19:07:32	yanmaani	bilb_ono: yeah, it's in the ssh config, add an alias. There's more people in #linux on libera.chat.
2021-06-12 19:09:43	bilb_ono	thanks
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2021-06-12 19:11:11	twomoon	hello
2021-06-12 19:12:10	oxek	yanmaani: why go to another network, when you can be on the biggest channel on freenode? Congratulations ##linux :)
2021-06-12 19:12:18	oxek	##linux is the best channel
2021-06-12 19:12:19	altwulf	yanmaani: present Freenode policy seems to be that advertising channels on other networks is off-topic net-wide.
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2021-06-12 19:12:59	yanmaani	altwulf: haven't been klined yet
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2021-06-12 19:18:56	altwulf	Just wait.
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2021-06-12 19:24:29	oxek	klines just happen sometimes
2021-06-12 19:24:32	yanmaani	I've been trying for like a week now, no dice
2021-06-12 19:24:49	yanmaani	even went into #freenode and asked tricky questions, and all I got was this lousy +b
2021-06-12 19:25:23	essiambre	Yeah, they've been pretty liberal with their +b buttons.
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2021-06-12 19:27:14	yanmaani	Tashtari hasn't been klined yet
2021-06-12 19:27:25	yanmaani	however, the ops of #python did get klined for allowing him to be there
2021-06-12 19:27:36	yanmaani	and also some random guy for questioning FN staff
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2021-06-12 19:28:40	isapgswell	security/audit/privacy so when i'll start thinking about AI
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2021-06-12 19:30:14	isapgswell	OTF or p2p over vpn
2021-06-12 19:33:28	essiambre	yanmaani: so, take it to -offtopic.
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2021-06-12 19:42:04	Voxel	ParrotOS is nonsense
2021-06-12 19:42:29	Voxel	I literally tried nearly everything normal with their latest stable build.
2021-06-12 19:42:51	ayecee	is that literally in the figurative sense
2021-06-12 19:43:05	triceratux	wut is firejail in the way ? nuke it
2021-06-12 19:43:30	Voxel	Different pendrives, OSes, tools to create a live OS, doesn't matter: SUASHFS ERROR. CORPRESSION ERROR. YOU ARE IN EMVERGENCY SHELL. GET OUT!
2021-06-12 19:43:38	Voxel	Their OS just doesn't work.
2021-06-12 19:43:44	ayecee	mmhmm
2021-06-12 19:43:50	triceratux	boot the iso from grub2. works for me
2021-06-12 19:43:55	ayecee	that's what all their other users report too
2021-06-12 19:44:14	Voxel	triceratux, I'll better load some Wifislax or Kali then.
2021-06-12 19:44:16	Voxel	This is nonsense.
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2021-06-12 19:44:43	Voxel	I mean, if you don't know how to properly distribute your distro, then why would one be sure for their software inside?
2021-06-12 19:44:58	triceratux	nah run the antix beta. its bullseye like parrotsec
2021-06-12 19:45:17	ayecee	Voxel: this is a you problem.
2021-06-12 19:45:32	ayecee	this is not a distro problem.
2021-06-12 19:45:41	Voxel	ahahhaha
2021-06-12 19:46:42	triceratux	https://paste.opensuse.org/3004670
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2021-06-12 19:47:13	triceratux	https://antixlinux.com/antix-bullseye-beta1-iso-files-available-64-bit-only/
2021-06-12 19:47:28	triceratux	bullseye is the best
2021-06-12 19:47:29	essiambre	ParrotOS is a pentest distro, no?
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2021-06-12 19:48:45	Voxel	essiambre, yup. Imagine a pentest distro without a proper loader.
2021-06-12 19:49:04	Voxel	Oh. Why imagine? Get ParrotOS!
2021-06-12 19:49:29	Voxel	I literally just wasted 3.5 hours trying to boot it normally.
2021-06-12 19:49:47	Voxel	Using Grub to load a system is okay, but it's not normal
2021-06-12 19:49:56	Voxel	A live one, I meant
2021-06-12 19:50:01	Voxel	IMHO
2021-06-12 19:50:04	essiambre	ParrotOS isn't meant for Joe Sixpack. Get a real distro.
2021-06-12 19:51:25	ayecee	also get some perspective
2021-06-12 19:51:28	triceratux	i got out of the parrot business because the plasma is old & theres better ways to see bullseye. a good pentesting alternative to kali is backbox
2021-06-12 19:51:32	ayecee	maybe get the perspective first
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2021-06-12 20:02:42	 *	essiambre has perspective, nice and hot and black and sweet: COFFEE
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2021-06-12 21:17:35	essiambre	Zz.
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2021-06-12 21:21:18	oxek	essiambre: what does that do? I know ZZ quits vim.
2021-06-12 21:22:00	essiambre	In this case, it just means "I'm bored!"
2021-06-12 21:22:42	oxek	go install arch in a vm then
2021-06-12 21:23:11	rascul	go install gentoo on a 486
2021-06-12 21:23:23	rascul	way more boring that whatever you're bored at now
2021-06-12 21:23:30	rascul	s/that/than/
2021-06-12 21:24:12	essiambre	I'll go you one better than that: install OS/2 Warp 4 on a 386 with about three dozen floppies.
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2021-06-12 21:25:58	essiambre	As I recall, my very first Linux distro was Red Hat 5, also on a pile of floppies. This would have been in '97 and I got it from CompUSA.
2021-06-12 21:28:52	rascul	goes too quick
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2021-06-12 21:29:16	rascul	building gentoo on a 486 will takes months or more
2021-06-12 21:29:30	rascul	if you even have enough memory
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2021-06-12 21:37:26	essiambre	I remember building emacs on a 286. Took about twelve hours.
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2021-06-12 21:42:18	isapgswell	how to use smp(symetric multiprocessing) and pthread ONLY with shared memory?
2021-06-12 21:42:21	isapgswell	any idea?
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2021-06-12 22:22:53	yanmaani	isapgswell, oops: This channel is moving to irc.libera.chat #linux and most active users have moved already.  You are more likely to get an answer there.  (If you're using HexChat, note that irc.libera.chat is not the same as 'LibraIRC'.  If you're on Matrix, join #linux:libera.chat)
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2021-06-12 22:24:35	isapgswell	yanmaani oh, thank you
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2021-06-12 22:31:51	essiambre	yanmaani: take it to off-topic and stop doing that.
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2021-06-12 22:34:44	yanmaani	essiambre: Are you on the chanserv access list?
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2021-06-12 22:36:47	jim	yanmaani, I am
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2021-06-12 22:39:52	jim	yanmaani, why do you ask, do you need some assistance?
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2021-06-12 22:42:34	jim	root, if you're really logged in as root, you should consider an alternative to that
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2021-06-12 22:43:05	essiambre	Yeah. Create a user.
2021-06-12 22:43:15	root	Needed sudo access.
2021-06-12 22:43:57	essiambre	On what distro?
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