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2021-06-13 15:44:01 -- Topic for #linux is "Linux talk - the best kernel in the world! | Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS"
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2021-06-13 15:44:01 -- Topic set by root on Sun, 13 Jun 2021 00:12:30
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2021-06-13 15:44:01 -- Channel #linux: 364 nicks (4 ops, 3 voices, 357 normals)
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2021-06-13 15:44:01 -- Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:44
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2021-06-13 16:00:21 sharp_ dukenukem3d, it's a HP Raid1
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2021-06-13 16:00:43 sharp_ I added /dev/sdb and that works
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2021-06-13 16:00:51 sharp_ thanks for the tips
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2021-06-13 16:01:33 +oxek sharp_: keep in mind that /dev/sdb can change between system reboots, and in case of external devices on every reconnect
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2021-06-13 16:01:44 +oxek that's why UUID/PARTUUID are preferable
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2021-06-13 16:01:57 dukenukem3d hope i could give ideas!
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2021-06-13 16:02:15 +oxek sharp_: ideally you'd have some logs instead of "at boot it fails with some driver something" :)
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2021-06-13 16:02:20 sharp_ oxek I thought it only changes IF filesystem is changed
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2021-06-13 16:02:22 sharp_ not at reboots
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2021-06-13 16:02:43 sharp_ I will post the logs later when I get home
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2021-06-13 16:02:47 +oxek sharp_: it can change at reboots, e.g. if you insert a new usb stick
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2021-06-13 16:02:59 sharp_ oxek, I didn't know that; are you sure?
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2021-06-13 16:03:02 +oxek often it stays the same, but it is something to always keep in mind
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2021-06-13 16:03:04 +oxek yes, I am sure
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2021-06-13 16:03:07 sharp_ I have an external HDD for backup I connect
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2021-06-13 16:03:23 sharp_ I see
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2021-06-13 16:03:29 +oxek connecting new devices, updating BIOS, resetting BIOS, ... all can change the letters
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2021-06-13 16:03:32 sharp_ I will redo this later tonight then or tomorrow night
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2021-06-13 16:03:37 +oxek that's why UUID and LABEL were invented
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2021-06-13 16:04:02 dukenukem3d sharp_, yes try to figure out why UUID does not work
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2021-06-13 16:04:05 sharp_ so don't use UUID=xxx and use /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxx instead?
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2021-06-13 16:04:10 sharp_ and use rootdelay=2
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2021-06-13 16:04:11 sharp_ ?
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2021-06-13 16:04:16 +oxek UUID=xxx should work
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2021-06-13 16:04:32 sharp_ ok then I will post logs from dmesg later tonight here
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2021-06-13 16:04:33 +oxek it would be preferable to debug why it did not work in your case
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2021-06-13 16:04:57 sharp_ it went into some sort of check "49 seconds / 1:30 second"
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2021-06-13 16:04:58 +oxek sharp_: remember to use a pastebin service and not flood this channel when you do that :)
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2021-06-13 16:05:02 sharp_ something udev I think
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2021-06-13 16:05:05 sharp_ k
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2021-06-13 16:05:09 +oxek that sounds like systemd services
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2021-06-13 16:05:19 sharp_ k gtg will post later
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2021-06-13 16:05:21 sharp_ thanks
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2021-06-13 16:05:23 dukenukem3d i use rootdelay for some hdd take time to spin up.. sharp_ good luck, I wont stay long!
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2021-06-13 16:05:54 sharp_ k maybe catch you guys tomorrow
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2021-06-13 16:37:14 SkyLeach hey all... can anyone point me to a good guide on modifying a UEFI bootable USB to add a driver?
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2021-06-13 16:37:44 SkyLeach I've compiled the kernel before, but I've never done it quite this way
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2021-06-13 16:37:58 SkyLeach I'm not sure where the modules even are on this thing
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2021-06-13 16:39:30 yanmaani SkyLeach: You're more likely to get an answer in the other place; most active users have moved there already.
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2021-06-13 16:40:59 SkyLeach #linux also moved? What was it... Libera Chat?
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2021-06-13 16:42:12 +oxek SkyLeach: #linux is here
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2021-06-13 16:42:43 trbp SkyLeach: there should be no difference in compiling a kernel either booting from usb or not
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2021-06-13 16:43:13 +oxek you can modify the kernel, and/or add modules the same way you would on a regular installation, and just move the resulting files onto the usb stick
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2021-06-13 16:43:23 trbp unless that is not running on the same machine that is
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2021-06-13 16:45:43 trbp SkyLeach: what distribution are you using? and how did you do your previous compile?
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2021-06-13 16:51:57 lxsameer m/b 5
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2021-06-13 16:52:06 lxsameer oops sorry
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2021-06-13 17:04:35 yanmaani SkyLeach: yeah, irc.libera.chat
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2021-06-13 17:05:02 yanmaani or rather, ##linux was seized, and its community moved to libera
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2021-06-13 17:05:09 yanmaani this is a separate channel with less activity
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2021-06-13 17:06:25 CrystalMath yanmaani: we can get more activity :)
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2021-06-13 17:06:36 CrystalMath besides, all the people banned for SMS speak from there can come here
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2021-06-13 17:06:49 +oxek yanmaani: please stop doing that
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2021-06-13 17:06:52 trbp yanmaani: what gives it to you to talk people into switching servers?
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2021-06-13 17:06:53 +oxek thx
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2021-06-13 17:07:09 yanmaani trbp: I can talk to them, you can talk to them, they can decide for themselves
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2021-06-13 17:07:12 yanmaani What are you so scared of?
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2021-06-13 17:07:52 CrystalMath yanmaani: me? nothing, i left ##linux because of its strict writing rules, i was helping people and wrote "ofc" and got warned for it
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2021-06-13 17:08:04 trbp yanmaani: as i am neither libera nor freenode stuff it does not scare me
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2021-06-13 17:08:32 SkyLeach I just saw this flashing
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2021-06-13 17:08:55 SkyLeach trbp, I have fatdog right now on the usb
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2021-06-13 17:09:13 SkyLeach it was small and comes with space to have a portable os on the USB
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2021-06-13 17:09:34 SkyLeach also it's safeboot compatible with the keys on the usb, so easy to add to my bios
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2021-06-13 17:09:50 trbp SkyLeach: it was just out of curiosity like 'why does he need usb' and 'why does he ask about differences between kernel compiles'
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2021-06-13 17:09:53 +oxek SkyLeach: you might be interested in ventoy then
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2021-06-13 17:10:16 clemens3 so why can I not join libera #linux channel?
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2021-06-13 17:10:43 +oxek clemens3: ask there, it's a different channel, just like EFNet's #linux
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2021-06-13 17:10:43 SkyLeach mainly, I'm trying to achieve two things: have a good linux for working on computers with portable storage and 2: be able to swap nvme ssd primary drives easily
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2021-06-13 17:11:24 SkyLeach so I have storage space and I have fatdog and I can boot it but... two problems: no external HDCP support for laptops and missing most nvme drivers.
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2021-06-13 17:12:50 SkyLeach I'm very not used to working with linux in this way. I'm using a GPT partition for boot and it's mounted RO. There is some 1.5GB free on the usb, but only 500G is formated as vfat
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2021-06-13 17:12:55 SkyLeach not sure why
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2021-06-13 17:13:11 SkyLeach probably because I used dd to create it rather than doing it myself with fdisk
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2021-06-13 17:14:12 SkyLeach but if I install packages, they're gone when I reboot. I'm not sure how to get around that. I have a writable partition, but the way things are set up installs go into the ramdisk instead.
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2021-06-13 17:14:23 SkyLeach I'm guessing there is something I need to configure but don't know what.
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2021-06-13 18:08:01 Hash Where would be a good place to post the channel rules? Github?
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2021-06-13 18:09:32 CaptainShell Is there a GNU command to chop of the beginning of a file, such as IRC logs?
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2021-06-13 18:09:43 Hash head?
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2021-06-13 18:09:53 Hash try man head, see if that's what you need.
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2021-06-13 18:10:43 CaptainShell tail -n ##### would do it, but a new file must be written out and the old one deleted.
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2021-06-13 18:11:24 clemens3 oxek: got it, need to register with /msg NickServ help register again..
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2021-06-13 18:11:48 Hash tail would get the end of the file. If you want the beginning, try head
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2021-06-13 18:13:25 JohnDoe2 so after all this channel is run by posers or the original ##linux people?
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2021-06-13 18:13:27 +oxek Hash: you can even make a small text document and post it on some pastebin
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2021-06-13 18:13:34 Hash Ok
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2021-06-13 18:13:41 Hash I'll get that started today
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2021-06-13 18:13:50 Hash Then we can run it by the community.
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2021-06-13 18:14:26 +oxek CaptainShell: `sed` would be the typical tool for that
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2021-06-13 18:14:53 Hash CaptainShell: will grab the first 100 lines from the file into a new file
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2021-06-13 18:16:56 clemens3 JohnDoe2: well, it ain't ##linux anymore..
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2021-06-13 18:17:39 Hash clemens3: we still have almost 400 of the old gang still here.
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2021-06-13 18:17:52 Hash It's new management but still a linux channel.
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2021-06-13 18:18:07 JohnDoe2 clemens3 right, that's why I'm asking I was on when they took over ##linux because "it's against the policies"
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2021-06-13 18:18:55 +oxek JohnDoe2: this channel is a community channel where people discuss linux and help each other with linux questions
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2021-06-13 18:19:01 +oxek the rest should not matter
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2021-06-13 18:19:05 JohnDoe2 not sure what the point was to shut down ##linux and kick everyone out, but I suspect they are hoping clients just reconnect and get redirected here to say stupid stuff like "oh, the old 400 people are still here"
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2021-06-13 18:19:07 +oxek there are #linux channels on every IRC network
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2021-06-13 18:19:15 clemens3 yes, it's just not the ##linux channel anymore
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2021-06-13 18:19:34 clemens3 but congrats to your new channel
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2021-06-13 18:19:42 +oxek it's not the ##linux channel, which was about linux, it is #linux channel, which is about linux...
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2021-06-13 18:19:56 Hash Haha
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2021-06-13 18:19:58 xpitr i love how admins shoot themselves in the foot at first and then they took bigger guns =D
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2021-06-13 18:20:33 JohnDoe2 oxek makes total sense... 🤪
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2021-06-13 18:20:54 JohnDoe2 oxek it doesn't matter if we kill 900 kids so long as we get quiet classrooms! :)
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2021-06-13 18:21:22 +oxek not a great analogy
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2021-06-13 18:21:44 +oxek whenever I connect to any IRC network, I look whether there's a #linux channel and if there is, then I join it. Makes sense to me.
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2021-06-13 18:22:24 +oxek JohnDoe2: and I'd be very surprised if the channel was actually about http://www.roeschswiss.com/en/11_linux
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2021-06-13 18:24:00 xpitr if you do /list on this network you'll see 200+ channels moving
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2021-06-13 18:24:30 JohnDoe2 right but as soon as you state anything about it you get kicked out of a channel because it's against the rules
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2021-06-13 18:24:54 Hash Let's focus on linux chat! :)
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2021-06-13 18:24:55 JohnDoe2 oh, excuse me, policy ;)
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2021-06-13 18:24:57 +oxek JohnDoe2: I prefer to look towards the future
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2021-06-13 18:25:01 xpitr i just like the front row seats during this drama :D
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2021-06-13 18:25:08 Hash Who likes colored man pages
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2021-06-13 18:25:11 Hash I do
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2021-06-13 18:25:19 Hash I did a thing in bashrc and made man pages colorful
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2021-06-13 18:25:32 JohnDoe2 oxek I do too, and that future is not taking a dump on people's channels and kicking everyone out
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2021-06-13 18:25:44 +oxek I did the same, but not in .bashrc but in .lesskey
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2021-06-13 18:40:49 +oxek LeShadow: why not?
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2021-06-13 18:41:14 xpitr they didn't take over this channel, only ##linux that redirects here, to totally brand new channel
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2021-06-13 18:41:56 xpitr 5d chess probably XD
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2021-06-13 18:43:12 xpitr do you not care about what happened to biggest and greatest irc network, oxek ? seriously, all is good and carry on? :)
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2021-06-13 18:43:31 LeShadow oxek ##linux was the original channel
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2021-06-13 18:43:35 LeShadow and then everyone got moved here
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2021-06-13 18:43:36 -- phanes has changed topic for #linux from "Linux talk - the best kernel in the world! | Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS" to "Freenode's Linux Support and Community Discussion Channel | All distros welcome! Be kind to each other."
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2021-06-13 18:43:36 -- ChanServ has changed topic for #linux from "Freenode's Linux Support and Community Discussion Channel | All distros welcome! Be kind to each other." to "Linux talk - the best kernel in the world! | Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS"
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2021-06-13 18:43:37 Hash Yes, please. Let's carry on.
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2021-06-13 18:44:14 LeShadow also oxek, it sees that if you try to change the topic the network says NO. Doesn't sound free to me anymore
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2021-06-13 18:45:33 LeShadow so I cannot talk ABOUT the #linux channel inhere? and what happened with the original ##linux?
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2021-06-13 18:45:52 Hash https://bpa.st/BRCQ That's my .bashrc
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2021-06-13 18:46:03 Hash Lots of useful aliases if anyone wants.
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2021-06-13 18:54:30 +oxek Linkandzelda: best in terms of what?
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2021-06-13 18:54:45 +oxek there's mdadm for that, or using btrfs or zfs instead of raid
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2021-06-13 18:58:10 elops Is there any maga channel ?
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2021-06-13 18:58:37 Linkandzelda oxek: i need to look into both, because ive only used ext4 on top of LVM before
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2021-06-13 18:58:52 elops So?
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2021-06-13 18:59:05 Linkandzelda and mdadm
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2021-06-13 18:59:06 elops or you can auck
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2021-06-13 18:59:10 +oxek elops: ?
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2021-06-13 18:59:17 elops Is there any maga channel
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2021-06-13 18:59:38 +oxek elops: search on /list or `/msg alis list` or ask in #freenode. I don't know
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2021-06-13 18:59:44 +oxek there's #MFGA
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2021-06-13 19:00:30 +oxek Linkandzelda: btrfs combines all of ext4, LVM & mdadm
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2021-06-13 19:00:38 +oxek so in a way it makes it simpler
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2021-06-13 19:00:45 +oxek but in another way it makes it more complex :)
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2021-06-13 19:00:51 +oxek same with ZFS
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2021-06-13 19:03:15 SkyLeach_ oxek, ok afaik I did that but I'm getting an error saying it isn't writable
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2021-06-13 19:03:57 +oxek SkyLeach_: I don't use vbox myself anymore, but remember there were different ways of passing the usb stick through, and you'd need to select an option/button to make it r/w
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2021-06-13 19:04:17 +oxek but I know for a fact that it is possible because I've done it myself
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2021-06-13 19:05:38 Linkandzelda thanks
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2021-06-13 19:05:42 +oxek no problem
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2021-06-13 19:07:31 +oxek SkyLeach_: I think I used that one for passing through an actual hard drive. But for a USB stick it was clicking that icon on the bottom right and selecting some usb options. My memory is very foggy about that though.
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2021-06-13 19:07:42 SkyLeach_ like so: VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename C:\usb2.vmdk -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive#
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2021-06-13 19:07:42 SkyLeach_ USB boot for VirtualBox VirtualmAchine
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2021-06-13 19:07:42 SkyLeach_ Step 6: Create a New Virtual Machine
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2021-06-13 19:07:42 SkyLeach_ create USB boot Virtual Machine oN Virtual box
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2021-06-13 19:07:43 SkyLeach_ Here we are creating Windows 7 Virtual Machine with the name USB Windows 7, however, you can select Linux or any other OS depending upon your bootable USB OS.
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2021-06-13 19:07:56 SkyLeach_ In the Hard disk section, select the “Use an existing virtual hard disk file” option and then click on the folder icon which opens Windows Explorer. Now go to C: drive and select your created.VDMK file. In our case it is usb2.vdmk.
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2021-06-13 19:08:00 SkyLeach_ Then click on the Create button.
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2021-06-13 19:08:10 SkyLeach_ Then simply close the VirtualBox and start it under administrative rights…
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2021-06-13 19:08:18 SkyLeach_ Select the created USB bootable virtual machine from the right-side panel and click on the Start button given in the VirtualBox menu and that’s it.
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2021-06-13 19:09:26 SkyLeach sorry about that, I must have had more in the selection than I knew. was trying to paste single line
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2021-06-13 19:09:49 +oxek SkyLeach: look into using some pastebin service
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2021-06-13 19:09:58 SkyLeach here: VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename C:\usb2.vmdk -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive#
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2021-06-13 19:10:09 SkyLeach yeah, if I had planned to paste more than a single line, I would
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2021-06-13 19:10:15 SkyLeach that was totally unexpected.
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2021-06-13 19:10:26 +oxek that command looks familiar, let me look over my notes
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2021-06-13 19:10:33 isapgswell i would like to see a new permission
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2021-06-13 19:10:33 isapgswell t = thread (single or multi)
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2021-06-13 19:10:33 isapgswell r-w-xt
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2021-06-13 19:11:09 +oxek `VBoxManage internalcommands createrawvmdk -filename C:\usb.vmdk -rawdisk \\.\PhysicalDrive#`
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2021-06-13 19:11:14 +oxek SkyLeach: ^ is what I have
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2021-06-13 19:11:40 SkyLeach yup, that's exactly what I did to boot from usb
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2021-06-13 19:11:41 +oxek so it looks correct
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2021-06-13 19:11:47 SkyLeach and I'm obvoiusly booted as root
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2021-06-13 19:11:55 SkyLeach I wonder if I didn't run as admin?
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2021-06-13 19:12:03 SkyLeach I can suspend the VM and see...
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2021-06-13 19:12:12 SkyLeach no wait... I couldn't even boot without admin
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2021-06-13 19:13:35 +oxek I vaguely remember using that command to boot from a usb stick
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2021-06-13 19:13:44 +oxek but for making the usb stick read/write, it was not necessary
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2021-06-13 19:14:05 +oxek unfortunately I really don't remember more, you'll have to search online
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2021-06-13 19:14:11 +oxek or try the #vbox channel on freenode
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2021-06-13 19:15:51 SkyLeach it's not vbox (I don't think)
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2021-06-13 19:16:03 SkyLeach I think I just found a bug in the fatdog linux script I am using
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2021-06-13 19:16:15 +oxek SkyLeach: #vbox is the virtualbox channel
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2021-06-13 19:16:47 SkyLeach oxek, yeah I know, but like I said I think the problem isn't actually that I can't write.
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2021-06-13 19:17:05 SkyLeach I'm using a shell script to "fix" the usb that comes with fatdog
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2021-06-13 19:17:16 +oxek I see
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2021-06-13 19:17:28 +oxek can you paste the error messages you get?
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2021-06-13 19:17:38 +oxek (on some pastebin service, not in here)
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2021-06-13 19:17:44 SkyLeach it has a function: if [ -w $1 ]; then echo "get root n00b"
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2021-06-13 19:17:47 SkyLeach (not really but...)
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2021-06-13 19:18:09 SkyLeach the thing is that will always be false, because the script requires the usb device without the /dev
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2021-06-13 19:18:16 SkyLeach but the conditional has no /dev prepended
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2021-06-13 19:37:21 antiloopa_ https://dchub.one/temp/Soft/ что бы так было у всех
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2021-06-13 19:46:57 SkyLeach oxek, the problem wasn't that I couldn't write, it's that the vm passes a virtual interface instead of the actual device info
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2021-06-13 19:47:12 SkyLeach I managed to create the new parition and format it
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2021-06-14 03:24:26 thyriaen i have an application which uses an old version of a package and does not work properly with an updated one - apt-mark hold fixes it but my other applications need the new ones - can have an additional old package on the system which only my 1 application uses ?
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2021-06-14 03:32:19 thyriaen Hash alright thanks
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2021-06-14 03:33:18 Hash use a package for one, and compile one yourself.
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2021-06-14 03:33:23 Hash So they are in two diff locations.
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2021-06-14 03:33:30 Hash Then you can tell your program about the old one and use that.
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2021-06-14 03:56:36 elc0292 hey peeps
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2021-06-14 03:58:40 elc0292 sup
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2021-06-14 03:59:03 elc0292 linus legacy eh
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2021-06-14 04:06:35 Hash yup
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2021-06-14 04:06:39 Hash great kernel
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2021-06-14 07:24:00 +Voxel Of course, there are multiple option gettin' such, but currious is the any at least minimally reliable
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2021-06-14 07:25:00 Pajus /dev/input/event0 - RAPOO_RAPOO_2.4G_Wireless_Device
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2021-06-14 08:19:58 bughira https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/ this channel has been stolen from the Linux community. Please join many more people than here at Libera.chat #linux channel.
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2021-06-14 08:21:21 yanmaani rcm888: ^
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2021-06-14 08:21:48 +oxek that's a different channel from this one
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2021-06-14 08:25:07 bughira here will be alt-right, free speech, nazis, whatnot. And yes, they may be using free software, but that is not their main concern. And nobody from a real free software background will help them.
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2021-06-14 08:29:42 sorcerer [07:23:30am] yanmaani | Maybe so, but it should be pointed out that this channel is inofficial and libera's is bigger.
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2021-06-14 08:31:30 sorcerer show me where linus says he has an official linux channel
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2021-06-14 08:31:32 sorcerer ill wait
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2021-06-14 08:32:03 +oxek wb sorcerer
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2021-06-14 08:32:04 sorcerer ##linux was a community channel for freenode, which this also will be.
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2021-06-14 08:32:28 bughira this will be a shit hole as the rest of what is left of freenode
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2021-06-14 08:32:45 sorcerer just because you guys are going to a different network, and dont wanna be apart of it doesnt mean this won't be a community channel
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2021-06-14 08:33:37 bughira well, you can steal the car, you can ride the car. It is still not your car and the chicks will not join you for the ride either.
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2021-06-14 08:34:09 sorcerer come on, show me where #linux is an official linux channel anywhere
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2021-06-14 08:34:16 +oxek bughira: this discussion will not lead anywhere. Let me state again that #linux is simply the channel on freenode for all things linux.
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2021-06-14 08:34:20 sorcerer or are you mad that i debunked your lame ass excuse to switch networks?
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2021-06-14 08:34:56 yanmaani sorcerer: All right, but don't you think a user who wants some help would be interested in knowing that libera's is by far more active?
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2021-06-14 08:35:11 sorcerer no, its not done on other networks
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2021-06-14 08:35:11 yanmaani And that they may have been misinformed by the past history of the network
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2021-06-14 08:35:26 sorcerer no other networks open a #linux and say Hey goto this network for more help
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2021-06-14 08:35:35 sorcerer they help with the users in that networks communities
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2021-06-14 08:35:44 yanmaani sorcerer: actually, they do
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2021-06-14 08:35:53 sorcerer because well they care about community and not some political policy
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2021-06-14 08:35:53 bughira I need not prove anything to you. Why should I? You are part of the group of idiots that ruin this network. I'd get you a shrink appointment if I cared enough. And may be some meds.
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2021-06-14 08:35:55 ice9 in order to run user script on login, should i place it in .bashrc or .bash_profile?
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2021-06-14 08:36:04 yanmaani I've joined various channels on OFTC and people have responded by telling me I should go to Freenode because their chans are more active
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2021-06-14 08:36:14 sorcerer one network
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2021-06-14 08:36:19 sorcerer is it done on every network?
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2021-06-14 08:36:20 yanmaani and vice versa - I've joined channels on Freenode and people told me to go to OFTC
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2021-06-14 08:36:42 yanmaani sorcerer: why is freenode so paranoid about their users being informed about the existence of other networks?
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2021-06-14 08:36:44 sorcerer is a policy on those networks to interrupt help by saying that?
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2021-06-14 08:36:56 yanmaani sorcerer: you said "no other networks", not "not all other networks"
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2021-06-14 08:37:07 sorcerer why are you users who are switching so keen on advertising and spamming the network instead of just helping users?
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2021-06-14 08:37:14 bughira yeah, it'll be OFTC for Debian and the others that moved there and Libera for anybody else. You'll find more free software groups on slack than on freenode these days.
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2021-06-14 08:37:29 yanmaani I'm sure if I went to Rizon or EFnet and tried asking some specific technological questions, people would advise me to go to libera/OFTC instead
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2021-06-14 08:37:34 bughira all thanks to the new evil overlord and his angels of doom
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2021-06-14 08:37:40 yanmaani sorcerer: why are you so keen on shutting it down?
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2021-06-14 08:37:58 yanmaani you can tell people to go to freenet on libera, and nobody will be upset
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2021-06-14 08:38:01 sorcerer yanmaani: because theres people to help, and you guys are trying to ship people off to new network for users.
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2021-06-14 08:38:09 sorcerer thats why.
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2021-06-14 08:38:11 +oxek ice9: consider ~/.profile
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2021-06-14 08:38:24 yanmaani it's like the Berlin Wall - it's not to keep the West Germans from getting in
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2021-06-14 08:38:33 yanmaani sorcerer: And why do you think they leave?
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2021-06-14 08:38:47 +oxek ice9: if you want the script to run only on login, and not on opening every new terminal
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2021-06-14 08:38:53 bughira of course, everybody who knows has moved already. So we need to tell those that are too new or too inactive to find the shitfest that you have bestowed upon us.
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2021-06-14 08:39:18 +oxek ice9: check which files are sourced from each of ~/.bashrc, ~/.bash_profile, ~/.profile, and the related files in /etc
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2021-06-14 08:39:27 sorcerer stop interfering with people helping others with your political talk. this is an unofficial help channel for those that want to help and want to help others
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2021-06-14 08:40:38 bughira running out of arguments, sourcerer?
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2021-06-14 08:40:43 yanmaani sorcerer: So how come the only people who help users in here are staff?
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2021-06-14 08:40:43 +oxek bughira: you're really not helping
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2021-06-14 08:40:54 yanmaani Is it like a commercial support hotline?
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2021-06-14 08:41:02 yanmaani or do they do it for free?
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2021-06-14 08:41:05 sorcerer because apparently we care about the community and you only care about advertising
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2021-06-14 08:41:13 bughira yanmaani: cause nobody else if left
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2021-06-14 08:41:23 +oxek yanmaani: everyone in here is a volunteer, and many of us care about linux in general and want linux to have a presence on every IRC network
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2021-06-14 08:41:26 yanmaani sorcerer: ah yes, but do you care about the community because you like it, or because you have a vested interest in it?
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2021-06-14 08:41:48 sorcerer considering i was here long before all of this i'd say i care about the community
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2021-06-14 08:42:03 yanmaani t. unknown@freenode/staff/sorcerer
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2021-06-14 08:42:07 bughira well, may bbe some people that want to see the ship sink completely. But most people are gone. No Wildpikachu, no jim,, no sauvin etc.
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2021-06-14 08:58:33 ice9 how can I display a GUI message when login? I tried notify-send in .profile but it doesn't work during login
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2021-06-14 09:00:12 +oxek if yes, then most of the DEs have ways of having commands run on login, and I'd put notify-send in there
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2021-06-14 09:01:02 +oxek .profile will not work for this because it is loaded before the rest of the graphical environment runs, so notify-send doesn't know what to do
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2021-06-14 09:01:24 yanmaani foxtrot: Oh no, it wasn't taken over, it was just removed and a new (100% organic) channel inserted in its place
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2021-06-14 09:01:40 yanmaani pay no attention to the bit where the only people in here are staffers
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2021-06-14 09:02:08 +oxek yanmaani: there's no reason to engage in that discussion with every user coming in here, thank you
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2021-06-14 09:17:46 RoseBus i've never had access to #linux, always going to ##linux, but now it's the other way around. On top of that, ##django is now moved to libera.chat because freenode has assumed control of #django*
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2021-06-14 09:18:14 +oxek RoseBus: can't comment on what's happening in other channels, but #linux is the place for linux discussion on freenode
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2021-06-14 09:19:57 fanhako hi, how risky is it to recompile an openssh-server of an existing vps ? We are on openssh 7.6 which is the latest version in Ubuntu 18.04, and for security reason, we need to upgrade
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2021-06-14 09:21:14 +oxek fanhako: do you have any other means of connecting, in case something goes wrong?
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2021-06-14 09:21:30 +oxek whenever I do that, I use `mosh` to keep a rescue connection working on the side
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2021-06-14 09:34:06 fanhako oxek, I haven't analyzed yet which vulnerability this version (7.6) has but a quick look at https://www.openssh.com/releasenotes.html shows there is a major version since then (latest is 8.6). Besides, it's the client that asked for this upgrade. I am trying mosh on a virtual machine to see if things goes well, thanks.
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2021-06-14 09:35:30 +oxek if the client specifically asked for an upgrade, then they will receive an upgrade :) Keep in mind that linux distros provide their own support, often by backporting patches for security issues from newer releases of software into older releases
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2021-06-14 09:41:00 +oxek fanhako: https://ubuntu.com/blog/what-is-an-ubuntu-lts-release
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2021-06-14 09:42:24 +oxek and this is the changelog for openssh-server on ubuntu https://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/o/openssh/openssh_7.6p1-4ubuntu0.3/changelog
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2021-06-14 12:03:30 lh_mouse yes I see that channel has a forward to here now.
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2021-06-14 12:04:02 artao WTF happened?
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2021-06-14 12:04:06 artao "22+ year old ##linux on freenode has been seized by freenode staff"
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2021-06-14 12:04:18 +oxek artao: that's a different channel, this is #linux
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2021-06-14 12:04:24 artao go to libera ...
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2021-06-14 12:04:33 artao okay. my statement still applies
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2021-06-14 12:04:40 artao i guess i got redirected from ##linux
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2021-06-14 12:04:46 artao yep
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2021-06-14 12:04:49 +Prestige You can go if you want but there's no reason to be yelling in this channel
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2021-06-14 12:04:53 artao won't let me /join ##linux
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2021-06-14 12:04:59 artao yes there is
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2021-06-14 12:04:59 marshfish ##Linux is gone.
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2021-06-14 12:05:06 artao people are still here for some insane reason
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2021-06-14 12:05:11 artao anyhow. back to libera
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2021-06-14 12:05:12 +oxek artao: #linux is the place for all things linux on freenode
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2021-06-14 12:05:18 marshfish This channel fis for leenux support.
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2021-06-14 12:05:19 artao only chumps are staying on freenode
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2021-06-14 12:05:22 +oxek of course you'll find many linux enthusiasts in a linux channel
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2021-06-14 12:05:27 artao OFFICIAL linux has moved over to libera
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2021-06-14 12:05:30 +Prestige artao: you're on freenode.
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2021-06-14 12:05:37 artao to say these things
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2021-06-14 12:05:41 artao back to libera
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2021-06-14 12:05:54 +Prestige Crazy people
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2021-06-14 12:06:03 marshfish Yes, anyone still here is indeed crazy.
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2021-06-14 12:52:21 GlemSom I have a CentOS Deployed in a cloud, and I'm testing MTU Path Discovery against http://icmpcheck.popcount.org/ - I can confirm I am receiving the ICMP packets. But, "ip route get 139.162.188.91" is not updating the routing-table with the correct MTU... (No entry for that endpoint in the routing-table's cache). I have another CentOS deployed at
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2021-06-14 12:52:21 GlemSom another provider, which IS correctly updating the routing-cache. Anyone have an idea to why a Linux kernel would refuse to update the MTU as path of Path Discovery ? (Or how I can troubleshoot this further?)
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2021-06-14 12:53:25 GlemSom I've been looking through different ipv4 settings in /proc - but, I haven't been able to pinpoint the difference
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2021-06-14 12:58:57 xse alleluia there's actually someone talking in here \o/
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2021-06-14 13:05:29 xse GlemSom: i have no clue tbh i would assume ip setting were set by your cloud provider like you did, i'd redirect you to centOS's channels at https://wiki.centos.org/irc maybe there doesn't seem to be much activity here now that freenode seized the channel
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2021-06-14 13:07:03 GlemSom Well, the issue can be replicated on Ubuntu too - so, doubt it's distribution relation...
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2021-06-14 13:19:44 Nickwiz Anyone using weechat and know of a workaround for laggy response to commands?
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2021-06-14 13:20:44 Nickwiz I get that double exclamation at end of line when hitting enter. It takes about 1 sec from enter until command is executed
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2021-06-14 13:26:35 +oxek Nickwiz: are you connected to weechat remotely or locally?
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2021-06-14 13:27:47 Nickwiz Yes. Typing has no lag. But any command or chat text lags
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2021-06-14 13:27:54 Nickwiz as in after Enter
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2021-06-14 13:28:07 Nickwiz Yes
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2021-06-14 13:28:13 +oxek can you try this:
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2021-06-14 13:29:00 +oxek it will create a new weechat, with an empty profile. It will not modify anything in your main profile
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2021-06-14 13:29:35 Nickwiz yes. That is responsive (normal)
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2021-06-14 13:30:02 +oxek in that case it has something to do with your configuration
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2021-06-14 13:31:47 goppo i have a question about process isolation. from my understanding, each process has its memory isolated and other processes cannot write to it. but can other processes read from it?
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2021-06-14 13:32:29 goppo the wikipedia article only mentions writes but nothing on reads https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_isolation
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2021-06-14 13:33:51 Samizdat Just for fun, have a .50 revolver on the other hip, as a wokemobile-stopper, in case the fool has a notion to run you down after deciding bodily confrontation's not wise.
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2021-06-14 13:35:13 +oxek goppo: in general, most processes can read things in memory that are not owned by those processes
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2021-06-14 13:36:06 xse Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 13:36:15 xse **the home of FOSS**
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2021-06-14 13:36:23 goppo oxek right. but why is that? memory isolation wouldn't be so isolated then?
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2021-06-14 13:41:55 Nickwiz oxek: Sounds like a plan. Can not see anything that jumps out. But I'll have a closer look.
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2021-06-14 13:44:46 xse welcome to the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 13:45:02 +oxek goppo: there are ways of protecting this memory from reads through various mechanisms. A lot of the time reads are simply permitted because everything running on the machine should be trusted.
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2021-06-14 13:47:01 trench https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/ l33t
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2021-06-14 13:48:28 trench [14/06/21-19:46] [freenode] -!- ##linux #linux Forwarding to another channel
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2021-06-14 13:49:21 +oxek trench: saves typing an extra character, it's now #linux :)
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2021-06-14 13:49:46 trench oxek: they did the same thing to gnu and others
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2021-06-14 13:49:50 xse they lost so many communities that they removed the #/## rule
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2021-06-14 13:50:17 jellyb ideally it shouldnt matter who manages a channel like this
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2021-06-14 13:50:24 +oxek trench: can't comment on other channels
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2021-06-14 13:50:33 xse fsf & gnu were taken over too indeed
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2021-06-14 13:50:37 +oxek jellyb: and it doesn't
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2021-06-14 13:51:00 xse but don't worry, freenode is the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 13:51:03 trench jellyb: ofc it does.. you mean the same thing about your computer or home too?
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2021-06-14 13:51:23 antiloopa ARIYA 1100 https://dchub.one/temp/Music/ARIYA/%d0%90%d1%80%d0%b8%d1%8f%20-%2030%20%d0%bb%d0%b5%d1%82%20(Live)/%d0%90%d1%80%d0%b8%d1%8f%20-%201100%20(Live)%20(Live).mp3
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2021-06-14 13:51:35 xse wooohoooo an mp3
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2021-06-14 13:51:39 jellyb its a tech support channel
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2021-06-14 13:52:17 +oxek why would it matter who manages a channel about such a broad topic as linux, as long as someone manages it at all?
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2021-06-14 13:52:39 trench oxek: because this is not the opensource rule
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2021-06-14 13:53:44 trench oxek: who would want that?
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2021-06-14 13:54:35 trench oxek: that's why it's going to hell also
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2021-06-14 13:54:44 +oxek trench: linux is doing pretty well
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2021-06-14 13:54:54 jellyb many of the channels on freenode are close to inactive now
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2021-06-14 13:55:07 xse nobody wants that, that's why there's not much discussions in most channels, that's why you only get lost people asking random questions and that why there's only freenode operators trying to answer people's questions
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2021-06-14 13:55:07 Samizdat Free software is preferable to open source.
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2021-06-14 13:55:18 +oxek jellyb: in this channel, we mainly care about #linux, what happens in other channels is their business
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2021-06-14 13:55:25 Samizdat (free as in code, and as in free beer)
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2021-06-14 13:55:43 Samizdat Open source is just another unfree con job.
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2021-06-14 13:56:57 +oxek those are legitimate concerns, true
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2021-06-14 13:57:29 -- Mode #linux [+o oxek] by ChanServ
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2021-06-14 13:57:38 Samizdat /ignore fling all
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2021-06-14 13:57:45 Samizdat Word.
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2021-06-14 13:58:32 goppo oxek right. is MPK one of the mechanisms for protecting memory reads? is there any other though?
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2021-06-14 13:58:41 Samizdat I'm old school. Ask permission to PM, or expect autoignore.
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2021-06-14 13:58:49 Samizdat Capisce?
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2021-06-14 13:59:11 fling https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html
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2021-06-14 13:59:12 +oxek a good rule, to ask if one can PM
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2021-06-14 13:59:30 fling opensource is worse than a blob
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2021-06-14 13:59:59 Samizdat And anyone who opens an unsolicited PM is a schmuck.
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2021-06-14 14:00:09 +oxek goppo: it is, but that particular one is not something I dealt with
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2021-06-14 14:00:43 +oxek Samizdat: btw freenode offers +g usermode, which makes it so that you have to confirm you wish to receive a PM
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2021-06-14 14:00:50 Samizdat cool
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2021-06-14 14:00:51 trench |[14/06/21-20:00] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Information on ##python:
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2021-06-14 14:00:52 trench [14/06/21-20:00] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Registered : Jun 12 18:21:48 2021 (1d 23h 38m 42s ago)
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2021-06-14 14:00:56 trench yeah right
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2021-06-14 14:00:58 phibs get ript
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2021-06-14 14:01:00 goppo oxek right. are there software mechanisms though?
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2021-06-14 14:01:06 trench that channel was reregistred
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2021-06-14 14:01:09 trench taken over
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2021-06-14 14:01:20 trench another nice move
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2021-06-14 14:01:29 phibs more users lost to libera lol
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2021-06-14 14:01:37 jellyb its partly because people who have moved their channels to libera continue to sit on the freenode equivalent
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2021-06-14 14:01:39 xse actually freenode forced every user to move to this new channel
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2021-06-14 14:01:42 +oxek goppo: commonly virtual machines and containers fully isolate processes from each other
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2021-06-14 14:02:19 Samizdat On on libera for the heckling opportunities.
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2021-06-14 14:02:27 jellyb if you ask me
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2021-06-14 14:02:30 phibs I'm on freenode for that
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2021-06-14 14:02:42 Samizdat Everyone needs a hobby.
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2021-06-14 14:03:02 jellyb rasengan should have distanced himself immediately and appointed somebody respected in the foss community until things settled down
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2021-06-14 14:03:09 trench https://isfreenodedeadyet.com
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2021-06-14 14:03:12 jellyb but its just hindsight
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2021-06-14 14:03:14 trench kind of like this one :P
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2021-06-14 14:03:40 phibs jellyb: I nominate RMS
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2021-06-14 14:03:43 +oxek can we focus on linux, as opposed to other channels and coulda/woulda/shoulda?
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2021-06-14 14:04:10 phibs Chat about linux and more at freenode, the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 14:04:20 xse this is the "and more" part i guess
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2021-06-14 14:04:46 trench oxek: so why do you want to stay in a channel where you have no saying?
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2021-06-14 14:04:52 phibs https://twitter.com/mjg59/status/1397384190644002818
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2021-06-14 14:04:54 phibs amazing
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2021-06-14 14:05:13 +oxek trench: because people still talk about linux in here, and help each other?
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2021-06-14 14:05:41 Samizdat The freenode/libera split is but a microcosm of the real-world split, as more and more normal Westerners (not only United-Statesians) awaken to the real threat of the woke grey goo.
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2021-06-14 14:06:05 phibs Samizdat: are you insane or ... special?
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2021-06-14 14:06:17 +oxek please avoid politics in this channel. Every network is free to have its own linux channel.
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2021-06-14 14:06:36 trench phibs: looks like he is a little bit of everything
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2021-06-14 14:06:40 phibs lol
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2021-06-14 14:07:28 trench oxek: okey.. what is your flavour of Linux and I have been using Linux since 91 with kernel 1.1.10
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2021-06-14 14:07:37 xse i mean so far i've only seen you helping others oxek ^^ which is nice don't get me wrong, but it's more "freenode staff tries to help lost people that didn't realize their community moved"
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2021-06-14 14:08:04 trench oxek: it has gone to shit since that time. I like FreeBSD and OpenBSD more and more now because of this
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2021-06-14 14:08:47 xse yeah i still own a linux machine, an old rpi with archlinuxarm, but server are all bsds i feel it's simpler, it doesn't break
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2021-06-14 14:08:48 +oxek xse: people do pop in and talk, there are times when it is quiet such as now
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2021-06-14 14:08:51 goppo oxek thanks!
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2021-06-14 14:09:08 +oxek trench: I like strawberry flavor of linux :)
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2021-06-14 14:09:19 trench oxek: strawberry?
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2021-06-14 14:09:29 +oxek trench: it's a bad joke, I'm not good at jokes :(
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2021-06-14 14:09:42 trench oxek: you mean a lot
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2021-06-14 14:09:48 trench you have a hard time choosing?
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2021-06-14 14:09:49 mlu pkg + ports on *BSD just work better: the bases are more consistent, and it's just easier to bump up packages to the latest versions
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2021-06-14 14:10:19 +oxek trench: I'm most familiar with debian, and then debian-derived distros, but also deal with some minimal distros for containers or VMs
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2021-06-14 14:11:15 trench oxek: but ubuntu and debian is so far behind on new things
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2021-06-14 14:11:41 trench oxek: they are starting to be the stable grandmother in the gang
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2021-06-14 14:11:46 +oxek they focus on different things, not every wants new things all the time
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2021-06-14 14:12:31 trench oxek: but there has to be a difrence between being the grandmother and the speedy runer
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2021-06-14 14:12:35 ruph Oh. is this the fake #linux channel?
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2021-06-14 14:12:44 xse yup, welcome to the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 14:12:53 +oxek ruph: fake? As far as I can tell, people can and do talk linux here
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2021-06-14 14:12:55 phibs ruph: yep, taken over by choads
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2021-06-14 14:13:04 ruph I cannot join ##linux anymore, it reroutes me here.
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2021-06-14 14:13:12 trench ruph: yeah... all the old timers switched to libra.chat
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2021-06-14 14:13:20 ruph so it is true.
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2021-06-14 14:13:24 CrystalMath illibera
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2021-06-14 14:13:30 phibs trench: s/old timers/people with dignity/intelligent/
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2021-06-14 14:13:31 mlu ruph: different people run this one, if that's what you're asking
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2021-06-14 14:13:36 +oxek trench: true. I haven't however experienced big obstacles towards running latest software on debian, if I compile it myself or use packages provided from upstream.
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2021-06-14 14:13:36 phibs intelligence *
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2021-06-14 14:13:41 +oxek there's also backports
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2021-06-14 14:13:47 phibs mlu: different people took this one over.... i'd not say 'run'
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2021-06-14 14:13:47 CrystalMath phibs: lol you can't even write a sed command properly
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2021-06-14 14:14:04 phibs no coffee yet
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2021-06-14 14:14:15 mlu phibs: yep
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2021-06-14 14:14:21 CrystalMath no one with dignity or intelligence would go to illibera
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2021-06-14 14:14:29 Samizdat I have a thermos of deliecious Doubhboy's decaffeinated.
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2021-06-14 14:14:29 +oxek phibs: ideally a channel like this doesn't need 'running'. Just dealing with spam and other nuisances.
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2021-06-14 14:14:32 trench oxek: so then you have to compile it on every machine or make your own repo which makes it even more fragmentet
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2021-06-14 14:14:37 ruph mlu: Yes, that was exactly it.
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2021-06-14 14:14:43 CrystalMath oxek: yep
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2021-06-14 14:14:51 Samizdat CrystalMath: except to heckle them.
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2021-06-14 14:14:56 ruph CrystalMath: Why would noone go there?
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2021-06-14 14:15:09 phibs I mean, you're asking a reactos developer, lol
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2021-06-14 14:15:12 phibs drugs are involved
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2021-06-14 14:15:19 Samizdat delicious, too (fingers ain' workin)'
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2021-06-14 14:15:37 +oxek caffeine is a drug, and we wouldn't have linux without it (probably)
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2021-06-14 14:15:46 CrystalMath ruph: because they exist only to destroy freenode, that's how petty they are
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2021-06-14 14:16:01 ruph Destroy freenode?
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2021-06-14 14:16:01 Samizdat Decaf gives me the flavor, without the migraines.
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2021-06-14 14:16:02 CrystalMath also while they were here they were destroying the place with their strictness
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2021-06-14 14:16:08 phibs CrystalMath: are you unaware of the world?
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2021-06-14 14:16:32 ruph CrystalMath: Huh, never heard of that before...
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2021-06-14 14:16:48 mlu one of the things I like about IRC is that it's like bars / parties: you show up to the ones where the people are, and you can choose multiple
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2021-06-14 14:16:49 phibs ruph: https://nedbatchelder.com/blog/202106/goodbye_freenode.html
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2021-06-14 14:16:55 CrystalMath ruph: most of my friends got k-lined, and now they got k-lined from libera
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2021-06-14 14:17:11 CrystalMath ruph: but they're here on freenode, happily sharing their sometimes right-wing opinions
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2021-06-14 14:17:13 phibs CrystalMath: maybe find new friends
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2021-06-14 14:17:21 Samizdat Someone at libera said "freenode is political as hell now" and I thought, "And the *bad* news is?"
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2021-06-14 14:17:28 mlu CrystalMath: I've found the opposite scenario to be the case
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2021-06-14 14:17:32 ruph CrystalMath: Well, if this is a right-wing place now...
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2021-06-14 14:17:34 phibs haha has freenode become trumpland?
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2021-06-14 14:17:42 CrystalMath ruph: no it's just an open place
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2021-06-14 14:17:47 Samizdat I certainly hope so.
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2021-06-14 14:17:50 afdggg Hi there, I have a problem with my new lenovo thinkpad, once in few boots it get stuck just after "[ OK ] Reached target Sound Card., when it's successfuly boots (after a few resets) I see the next step is by starting ModemManager. Might got stuck on it.. any idea why?
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2021-06-14 14:17:54 CrystalMath allowing something doesn't immediately mean endorsing that
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2021-06-14 14:18:01 CrystalMath i allow *everything*, i don't endorse everything
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2021-06-14 14:18:06 CrystalMath but i love freedom of speech
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2021-06-14 14:18:11 Samizdat (that it's President-Trump-land [to you])
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2021-06-14 14:18:23 phibs i've never seen someone k-lined for politics in an appropriate channel....
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2021-06-14 14:18:39 phibs Samizdat: ex-president global disgrace twice impeached one term POS to you
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2021-06-14 14:18:42 +oxek afdggg: always booting from a proper shutdown, or from sleep/hibernation?
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2021-06-14 14:18:48 xse i've seen many k-lined for what you could consider freedom of speech on freenode recently :p
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2021-06-14 14:19:00 phibs xse: freenode sure, libera i'd bet $ that's not the case
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2021-06-14 14:19:03 Samizdat Make that "*President*-Trump-land (to you)."
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2021-06-14 14:19:10 ruph Freedom of speech as in "let everyone say anything unopposed" or freedom of speech as in "we can discuss anything"?
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2021-06-14 14:19:16 Samizdat Dang, what happened to asterisk bolding?
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2021-06-14 14:19:29 +oxek Samizdat: that's a client feature
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2021-06-14 14:19:30 phibs that's a client side feature....
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2021-06-14 14:19:57 xse maybe freenode will take irc to the next level by making that a server feature
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2021-06-14 14:20:00 CrystalMath phibs: okay so if someone once writes the word "tranny" on a place without any hateful context, without even clearing up that they didn't mean "transmission", do you think that's worth a week of a k-line? Fuchs does
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2021-06-14 14:20:03 xse that's a good reason to stay here
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2021-06-14 14:20:04 Samizdat No, the " and - blew up bolding in my face.
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2021-06-14 14:20:14 +oxek xse: maybe the webchat already has it
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2021-06-14 14:20:17 Samizdat Operator error.
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2021-06-14 14:20:18 CrystalMath phibs: this happened to my friend rtn0
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2021-06-14 14:20:41 phibs saying tranny is already hateful
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2021-06-14 14:20:44 Samizdat Too many woke still here. The migration is incomplete.
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2021-06-14 14:20:45 CrystalMath phibs: also to clarify that this is libera/staff/fuchs
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2021-06-14 14:20:54 phibs in what channel?
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2021-06-14 14:21:04 CrystalMath phibs: this channel was ##goodolddays, a retrocomputing place
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2021-06-14 14:21:16 Samizdat I'd be happy to donate as many satoshis as it took to foster migration completion of the woke to libera.
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2021-06-14 14:21:21 CrystalMath phibs: which Fuchs eventually shut down completely
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2021-06-14 14:21:22 afdggg oxek, mm not exactly sure, here this the only options? booting with sysrq f.e, or after a poweron, not sure about the hibernation if it's on or not (I don't think it's from this)
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2021-06-14 14:21:23 phibs pretty lame to k-line over that
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2021-06-14 14:21:32 Samizdat Satoshi's are dang near valuable these days.
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2021-06-14 14:21:39 Samizdat Satoshis, rather
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2021-06-14 14:21:58 +oxek afdggg: assuming that it's not a hibernation/sleep problem, which are sadly still common, then I'd ask how new this machine is, and what version of the kernel you're running
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2021-06-14 14:22:10 +oxek often new machines need a recent version of the kernel in order to boot properly
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2021-06-14 14:22:16 CrystalMath phibs: Fuchs was always that strict, he k-lined anyone who isn't a communist basically, even the owner of ##goodolddays a bunch of times
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2021-06-14 14:22:44 xse damn beside #freenode we lost every channels with more than 1k users
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2021-06-14 14:22:50 phibs maybe fuchs is a tranny
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2021-06-14 14:23:03 CrystalMath phibs: the owner said that he doesn't support LGBT, without any hate attached to that, and boom, k-lined by Fuchs
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2021-06-14 14:23:03 phibs 6 speed manual
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2021-06-14 14:23:04 trench oxek: freenode staff has always been shady.. but this is taking it to whole other level
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2021-06-14 14:23:22 phibs trench: never had any issues w/ freenode staff (pre-takeover)
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2021-06-14 14:23:25 afdggg oxek, Well Idd it was a real pain since it seems the WiFi driver doesn't work properly from the ubuntu 20.04, after Installing 21.04 and dist-upgrade it seems to work properly, but then this boot thingy kernel 5.11
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2021-06-14 14:23:42 mlu things were fine until the new staff basically klined all my friends on here
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2021-06-14 14:24:00 CrystalMath phibs: fuchs only has only two speeds, neutral and ban
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2021-06-14 14:24:05 afdggg oxek, I think this ThinkPad it pretty new:X|
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2021-06-14 14:24:06 trench oxek: I have been to a police interigation because of christel or mindcrime back in the 90's in Norway
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2021-06-14 14:24:07 xse things were fine until the ~30 channels i was on were all seized
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2021-06-14 14:24:31 jellyb these were channels that probably had already moved
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2021-06-14 14:24:34 phibs xse: wonder who did that :)
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2021-06-14 14:24:36 trench phibs: well they had their ups and downs too
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2021-06-14 14:24:40 jellyb and were maintaining a dual presence, just because
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2021-06-14 14:24:41 phibs sure
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2021-06-14 14:24:42 Samizdat That's right, the beatings ensue if you pledge mere neutrality. Only absolute fealty is acceptable to the woke kooks.
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2021-06-14 14:24:52 phibs jellyb: why would anyone sieze them though?
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2021-06-14 14:24:54 Samizdat What a scourge on humanity.
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2021-06-14 14:25:05 phibs is it fascistnode or freenode?
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2021-06-14 14:25:08 ruph Wow, this has gone down quickly.
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2021-06-14 14:25:25 xse welcome to the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 14:25:39 +oxek afdggg: I don't know how 21.04 is, I only run LTS versions of Ubuntu, but I'd suggest checking whether you have all the required firmware blobs installed
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2021-06-14 14:25:51 ruph Yeah, I think I' already done here.
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2021-06-14 14:25:51 +oxek afdggg: try grepping dmesg for 'firmware' and see if anything is missing
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2021-06-14 14:25:52 trench phibs: fascistnode
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2021-06-14 14:26:34 CrystalMath and that is what i see on libera
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2021-06-14 14:26:41 CrystalMath or i should say, illibera
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2021-06-14 14:26:53 jellyb theres potential for new management to be more active than the ones who have already checked out
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2021-06-14 14:27:10 afdggg oxek, why lts only? and yes there was with the ubuntu 20.04 many firmware errors.. and a file that was missing, I looked some of this errors in google, and couldn't find any good explanations or a good solution for this.. or you may have the solution?:x
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2021-06-14 14:27:17 CrystalMath phibs: i just want to know, why is simply allowing all kinds of opinions fascist?
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2021-06-14 14:27:21 CrystalMath that's all
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2021-06-14 14:27:47 phibs CrystalMath: taking over channels, not allowing opionions
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2021-06-14 14:28:01 +oxek afdggg: usually what you'd need is installing some firmware packages, and the messages in `dmesg` would tell you the filenames that would be provided by those packages
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2021-06-14 14:28:05 phibs jellyb: is that what you say when someone comes in an takes over a project? lol
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2021-06-14 14:28:20 phibs oxek: good luck w/ that
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2021-06-14 14:28:27 jellyb they had already moved
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2021-06-14 14:28:30 Samizdat Here's the new meme: wooks. The wooks. "Can you use that in a (complete) sentence, Samizdat?" Why soytainly, spelling bee judge, glad to, "The wooks are gradually migrating from freenode to libera, but some bitter clingers remain."
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2021-06-14 14:28:36 phibs jellyb: so?
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2021-06-14 14:28:36 CrystalMath phibs: that is simply to combat spam, if you haven't noticed, there are bots everywhere trying to get people over to illibera, and channels of those who have been fooled have that in the topic
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2021-06-14 14:28:46 phibs CrystalMath: I mean, MAGA
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2021-06-14 14:28:47 afdggg oxek, sounds legit, but what should I do when this errors occurs, what does it mean?
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2021-06-14 14:29:24 trench CrystalMath: you actually think libera staff is doing that?
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2021-06-14 14:29:34 +oxek afdggg: try getting the output of dmesg, and paste it on some pastebin service
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2021-06-14 14:29:43 phibs CrystalMath: seemingly a MAGAt, they believe a lot of bs
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2021-06-14 14:30:02 afdggg oxek, so you think I should go back to the LTS and try handle these errors instead of using 21.04?
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2021-06-14 14:30:02 trench afdggg: so people can look at it and laught about Linux :P
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2021-06-14 14:30:07 CrystalMath trench: no, not the bots, but the lies yes
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2021-06-14 14:30:36 trench CrystalMath: what lies? I have read documents from former staff
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2021-06-14 14:30:51 CrystalMath trench: precisely those
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2021-06-14 14:30:55 +oxek afdggg: it's a possibility if you want to get into that. There might be something in 21.04 that's causing this, and 20.04 LTS with firmware packages would work fine instead.
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2021-06-14 14:31:04 +oxek but perhaps it could be solved on 21.04 as well
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2021-06-14 14:31:09 trench CrystalMath: I know christel pretty well, she didn't just give away freenode.. that would make no sense to her
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2021-06-14 14:31:11 afdggg oxek, just shame that windows that came with that machine worked properly out of the box:((
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2021-06-14 14:31:27 +oxek afdggg: even bigger shame that it was compulsory to pay for that windows licence :(
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2021-06-14 14:31:35 CrystalMath trench: rasengan was the main one paying for it since 2013, why wouldn't she sell it to him? she was just in the middle
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2021-06-14 14:31:40 Samizdat Dang, just remembered -- "wook" and "wooks" are already taken. Refers to women who always look like they just got out of the shower, flustered, need cigarettes, caffeine, money, job, etc.
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2021-06-14 14:31:41 CrystalMath trench: also that happened in 2017
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2021-06-14 14:31:50 Samizdat Back to the drawing board.
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2021-06-14 14:31:54 CrystalMath Samizdat: oh i didn't know
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2021-06-14 14:31:58 CrystalMath not a native speaker though
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2021-06-14 14:32:07 trench CrystalMath: paying? it was run on mostyly free servers
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2021-06-14 14:32:10 Samizdat Yeah, "wook" is a fun one.
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2021-06-14 14:32:15 afdggg oxek, Ok I'll try create again the 20.04 usb and install from it, I'll bbs with the dmesg output
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2021-06-14 14:32:26 CrystalMath trench: ah, i see you believe money falls from the sky
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2021-06-14 14:32:31 CrystalMath trench: like others on libera
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2021-06-14 14:32:50 CrystalMath i mean... illibera
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2021-06-14 14:32:58 trench CrystalMath: I know some of the hosters of the ircd's and they don't pay for the servers
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2021-06-14 14:32:58 xse salty :)
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2021-06-14 14:33:02 Samizdat "Wook" was around before "woke," unfortunately.
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2021-06-14 14:33:12 trench CrystalMath: it's called donations
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2021-06-14 14:33:26 CrystalMath trench: yeah sure, you can fight DDoS with good will and altruism
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2021-06-14 14:33:37 CrystalMath communism works so well, that's why the USSR is still going strong
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2021-06-14 14:33:52 Samizdat And Cuba.
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2021-06-14 14:33:59 trench CrystalMath: most of the hw that ircd's run on campus hw or hw donated by vendors..
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2021-06-14 14:33:59 Samizdat And North Korea.
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2021-06-14 14:34:02 CrystalMath Samizdat: oh right, forgot the #1 superpower
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2021-06-14 14:34:09 Samizdat lol
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2021-06-14 14:34:11 trench CrystalMath: check were the servers are located..
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2021-06-14 14:34:14 xse korea ? hmmm sounds familiar
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2021-06-14 14:34:29 Samizdat "Cuber," as JFK would say.
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2021-06-14 14:34:41 phibs man this chan is full of MAGA trolls now lol
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2021-06-14 14:34:43 trench CrystalMath: your taxes payes for the links
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2021-06-14 14:34:53 jellyb lol
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2021-06-14 14:35:07 trench phibs: Trump takeover
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2021-06-14 14:35:14 xse MURICA
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2021-06-14 14:35:15 jellyb not many linux users among the maga types i think
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2021-06-14 14:35:16 phibs IQ went down 100 points
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2021-06-14 14:35:55 jellyb its odd that there isnt an america themed distro
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2021-06-14 14:36:04 +oxek there probably is
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2021-06-14 14:36:16 +oxek with the wallpaper being the flag, and login sound being some eagle screech
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2021-06-14 14:36:22 Samizdat MAGA's the only thing that's rescued American IQ from freefall.
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2021-06-14 14:36:24 xse that'd be funny, with a service that keeps cpu at 100% just because climate change isn't real
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2021-06-14 14:36:26 +oxek I mean, there's hannah montana distro
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2021-06-14 14:36:30 +oxek and rebecca black one as well
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2021-06-14 14:36:34 Samizdat I want what *you're* smokin.'
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2021-06-14 14:36:35 android jellyb: great idea
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2021-06-14 14:36:38 CrystalMath oxek: that would be funny
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2021-06-14 14:36:48 CrystalMath Murica Linux :P
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2021-06-14 14:36:59 +oxek a lot of these distros are just debian/ubuntu reskinned
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2021-06-14 14:37:01 CrystalMath (no GNU, according to Oracle GNU is anti-american)
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2021-06-14 14:37:12 CrystalMath or who was it that said that, SCO?
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2021-06-14 14:37:20 trench it should be harder to install an irc client
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2021-06-14 14:37:22 +oxek they use the same repos as debian, but have different default packages
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2021-06-14 14:38:15 kjjaeger SCO and Oracle have similar legal strategies ... so confusion is understandable
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2021-06-14 14:40:47 Samizdat The wokenicians have to devote huge amounts of computing resources to make sure any live feed featuring Herr Wokenfuhrer Klaus Schwab is cut off immediately if his SS paraphernalia should appear in a wardrobe failure.
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2021-06-14 14:41:06 CrystalMath wokenfuhrer is funny
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2021-06-14 14:41:50 phibs Samizdat: LOL is the Nevada sun frying your brain?
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2021-06-14 14:51:10 xse welcome to the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 14:53:13 +oxek udet: this is the new channel for linux and all about it
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2021-06-14 14:53:40 xse udet: you can check out https://linux.chat/linux-on-freenode/ for an explaination
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2021-06-14 14:56:14 +oxek "lost users". They are looking for linux discussion and help, and #linux is about that
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2021-06-14 14:56:30 phibs oxek: not this one lol
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2021-06-14 14:56:48 +oxek phibs: how is this channel not about linux?
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2021-06-14 14:57:39 JimBuntu This channel is for anything related to Linux, right? Since the topic says 'Linux talk'
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2021-06-14 14:57:47 jellyb yeah
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2021-06-14 14:57:56 +oxek sounds right
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2021-06-14 14:58:37 +oxek maybe not this linux though http://www.roeschswiss.com/en/11_linux
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2021-06-14 14:59:19 bayside_gorgon oxek: thanks
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2021-06-14 15:00:20 bayside_gorgon oxek: nice! I was unaware of this memoserve feature, this is great!
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2021-06-14 15:00:34 +oxek and community channels about a broad topic like linux don't need 'leadership', just someone to deal with spam and other nuisances
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2021-06-14 15:02:46 +oxek xse: there are still many discussions in this channel, and you have been contributing to it for many hours now :)
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2021-06-14 15:06:06 JimBuntu To anyone paying attention... any of you built a custom kernel or packages for the Chumby family of devices?
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2021-06-14 15:08:23 +oxek first time I see that
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2021-06-14 15:08:29 +oxek or just slipped out of my memory
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2021-06-14 15:10:09 JimBuntu heh, ok. Yeah, kind of old nowadays and while they got picked up and rebranded/redesigned by companies like Sony and Best Buy's in-house Insignia? brand... I don't think they ever got all that popular... too early for their time
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2021-06-14 15:17:59 xse it does like lee really is prince of korea or smth like that
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2021-06-14 15:18:21 JimBuntu Yeah, but it's the unified Korea, so doesn't exist
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2021-06-14 15:19:05 JimBuntu I'll have to ask Drew details about that, but that's not for here.
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2021-06-14 15:19:17 xse so like fake prince of korea ? boi that's even more hillarious
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2021-06-14 15:21:30 +oxek korea is a republic
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2021-06-14 15:22:07 android https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Daulton_Lee
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2021-06-14 15:22:17 CrystalMath xse: the correct term is Crown Prince, and that means someone who would be the emperor, but isn't because the country no longer recognizes its royal family
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2021-06-14 15:22:36 CrystalMath xse: a crown prince is next in line but has no power at the moment
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2021-06-14 15:23:23 xse indeed, damn one letter short of being a clown prince
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2021-06-14 15:24:07 jellyb hes got some power
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2021-06-14 15:27:06 CrystalMath i do understand that the free software community distrusts royalty, because of the general distrust of authority, but i don't think it's fair to insult someone because of it
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2021-06-14 15:34:58 JimBuntu The Linux community has loved authority, imho, of course it wasn't very hard most of the time since the terms were pretty simple
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2021-06-14 15:36:33 +oxek there's almost no legitimate royalty left in the world, and even fewer of them are in any power. So FOSS & royalty are orthogonal
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2021-06-14 15:36:51 +oxek I don't think I've ever seen any royalty on the kernel mailing lists
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2021-06-14 15:38:48 CrystalMath JimBuntu: i'm too postmodern to care how someone gained authority, i look at the results
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2021-06-14 15:40:08 JimBuntu Oh, I care, don't like people saying they are gifted something due to their bloodline, a gift from god, ha! That's just me though.
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2021-06-14 15:50:05 xse CrystalMath: i'm joking around you don't really think i insult the guy, he might have good intention idk, his actions however are hillarious, claiming freenode is FOSS and at the same time doing pretty much everything he can to drive away all communities i think is funny
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2021-06-14 15:51:53 afdggg oxek, it took a lot of time for some reason, I get in the machie wired connection which seems very slow, the dmesg is right here: https://pastebin.com/S64KUVQr
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2021-06-14 15:56:23 +oxek afdggg: looks like the only thing you need is a firmware package containing firmware for that intel wireless card
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2021-06-14 15:57:51 afdggg Tryin' to clone the linux-firmware.git thingy, and check again. Is this something that happens a lot when getting a new machine?
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2021-06-14 16:00:13 +oxek yes, most new machines require non-free firmware
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2021-06-14 16:00:17 +oxek or supplemental firmware files
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2021-06-14 16:00:32 JimBuntu afdggg, I'm all Linux in this house... 11 machines, none of them had this issue until I bought new wireless dongles for a couple laptops.
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2021-06-14 16:00:56 +oxek afdggg: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Firmware
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2021-06-14 16:01:01 +oxek you don't need to clone the git repo
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2021-06-14 16:01:12 +oxek just get the package using `apt install NAME`
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2021-06-14 16:01:30 +oxek linux-firmware-nonfree is probably the one you need
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2021-06-14 16:01:41 +oxek and you need to enable the 'multiverse' repository, if you haven't done that yet
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2021-06-14 16:05:05 afdggg oxek, can't find this package, also multiverse is enabled
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2021-06-14 16:08:57 afdggg also it doesn't seems to exists here: https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/firmware/linux-firmware.git/tree/
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2021-06-14 16:09:08 afdggg not sure what does it mean
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2021-06-14 16:10:11 +oxek it might be a firmware file that is not strictly required, and the intel kernel devs just left a reference to it in the driver
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2021-06-14 16:10:15 +oxek does your wifi work?
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2021-06-14 16:12:36 afdggg no it doesn't:)
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2021-06-14 16:17:54 +oxek afdggg: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1338070/issues-with-iwlwifi-drivers-on-fresh-20-04-install#comment2284492_1338070
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2021-06-14 16:20:26 afdggg oxek, this returns us to the origianl question then;x about the booting thingy
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2021-06-14 16:20:49 afdggg or do I must wait until somwhow this will fixed
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2021-06-14 16:26:51 +oxek did you run `sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade` after installation?
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2021-06-14 16:27:12 +oxek it might bring some updates to the HWE kernel that ubuntu is using
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2021-06-14 17:23:24 +oxek LeoNice81: install? You download them, move them to some directory you want, make them executable and run them
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2021-06-14 18:46:35 xse indeed what an awful website, we're better here on freenode, our leader's actions keep driving away more and more communities ( https://github.com/siraben/freenode-exodus ) but don't worry, freenode is the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 18:48:07 xse and we have some revolutionary stuff incomming to take irc further to the next level!
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2021-06-14 20:16:10 * Samizdat reports, "Good news! Your Smalls Jazz Club, New York City live stream has restored the 720p, after a hiatus of several weeks: https://ustream.tv/embed/23240575 for the stream, and https://smallslive.com for lineups, archive, etc. Bonus: the eavesdropping oppurtunities are much better now, with the new zoomed-in. Even the hearing-challenged can get some of it, now that masks are no longer...
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2021-06-14 20:24:29 Samizdat "But how do I *record* the Smalls Jazz Club stream, Samizdat?"
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2021-06-14 20:24:40 Samizdat You'll need streamlink for that.
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2021-06-14 20:25:10 Samizdat Not the cleanest (as in streamlined code) program in the world, but it works.
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2021-06-14 20:28:17 Butterfly^ CrystalMath : politics are rarely polar opposites, we might disagree on quite some things, but i'm sure there's things we can also agree on
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2021-06-14 20:28:46 jacki the topic... is a bit outdated
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2021-06-14 20:33:55 xse hi there, welcome to freenode, the home of FOSS
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2021-06-14 20:37:56 Time-Wrap hey Butterfly^
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2021-06-14 20:38:07 Butterfly^ howdy
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2021-06-14 20:38:11 Time-Wrap long time no see
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2021-06-14 20:43:02 Samizdat The opening drum solo's a bit navel-gazing and artsy fartsy, but I'm keeping an open mind.
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2021-06-14 20:43:28 Samizdat ( https://ustream.tv/embed/23240575 live stream)
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2021-06-14 20:44:13 Samizdat https://smallslive.com for tickets (to the brick-and-mortor club), lineups, archive, etc.
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2021-06-14 20:44:33 Samizdat mort*a*r even
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2021-06-14 20:44:53 Samizdat mort *a* r
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2021-06-14 20:44:57 Samizdat There we go.
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2021-06-14 20:46:32 Samizdat You must be late to the party.
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2021-06-14 20:46:41 jdmark i feel like i was raped
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2021-06-14 20:47:01 Samizdat freenode's been absorbed by the non-woke Borg.
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2021-06-14 20:47:06 Samizdat Celebrate!
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2021-06-14 20:47:09 jdmark What borg?
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2021-06-14 20:47:20 jdmark I read it was the Bitcoin Cash people
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2021-06-14 20:47:30 jdmark libera.chat
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2021-06-14 20:47:38 jdmark everyone migrated to Libera.chat
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2021-06-14 20:47:48 Samizdat Or libera.che if you want the super duper uber woke.
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2021-06-14 20:50:45 Samizdat Well, not "everyone" migrated to libe *rat* .
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2021-06-14 20:54:05 +oxek_ keep it civil everyone
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2021-06-14 20:54:07 mlu hy jump ship when I can be on both? :P
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2021-06-14 20:57:12 Samizdat libera.che combines the best elements of toadying to both the LGBTQWTF *and* Communist agendas.
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2021-06-14 20:59:34 mlu meh, don't see what's the problem with that :)
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2021-06-14 21:00:27 jacki lgbtqwtf
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2021-06-14 21:03:40 Samizdat Can't say I really miss the hall monitors and pickers of fly feces from the pepper.
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2021-06-14 21:03:46 Samizdat Good riddance on that score.
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2021-06-14 21:06:21 Samizdat Or has *all* the testosterone been drained from the West?
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2021-06-17 16:12:21 tQuest https://www.cnet.com/news/google-backed-linux-project-could-make-android-chrome-os-harder-to-hack/ is this a joke? what core parts are being considered?
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2021-06-17 17:18:57 hltwrm let's again hi tquest
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2021-06-17 17:20:49 hltwrm I installed new linux. I was testing
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2021-06-17 17:23:42 hltwrm i m new on linux. arch
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2021-06-17 22:23:39 void hi guys :)
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2021-06-17 22:24:11 sorcerer i use arch, btw
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2021-06-17 22:24:53 unixpro1970 Why is to so quiet in this channel?
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2021-06-17 22:25:10 unixpro1970 Did this channel also move to libera.chat?
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2021-06-17 22:30:16 Prestige unixpro1970: because every1 is having a good time using linux and require no assistance :)
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2021-06-17 22:34:57 tQuest why doesn't chrome browser believe in tarballs
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2021-06-17 22:35:04 tQuest chromium i mean
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2021-06-17 22:35:49 tQuest are they afraid of version numbers?
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2021-06-17 22:36:14 tQuest + hashes
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2021-06-17 22:36:18 esselfe version numbers should be standardly x.x.x
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2021-06-17 22:36:24 esselfe that's it
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2021-06-17 22:36:57 esselfe lots of software use this
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2021-06-17 22:37:42 tQuest how can i get signed release of chrom browser
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2021-06-17 22:40:18 Prestige What about https://github.com/chromium/chromium/releases
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2021-06-17 22:44:12 tQuest signed by google not microsoft
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2021-06-17 22:45:30 tQuest this is a git tag prepared by microsoft server, i want full signed tarball
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2021-06-17 22:45:54 Prestige like https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src ?
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2021-06-17 22:46:05 Prestige click on a tag
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2021-06-17 22:46:09 tQuest its a tag but not a signed release
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2021-06-17 22:46:19 Prestige https://i.imgur.com/GOXYxyr.png it's not? hm
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2021-06-17 22:46:54 Prestige Maybe you can open an issue about it
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2021-06-17 22:48:23 tQuest i don't like to use git either, too insulting
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2021-06-17 22:48:29 tQuest but that's a different story
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2021-06-17 22:49:17 Prestige That's odd, yeah
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2021-06-17 22:49:45 tQuest and twitter, highly offensive
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2021-06-17 22:53:01 tQuest i'd even settle for a .zip, but FFS no seven-zip
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2021-06-17 22:53:36 tQuest eh fuck it, who needs javascript anyway
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2021-06-17 22:53:41 Prestige why don't you want to use git?
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2021-06-17 22:53:53 tQuest the git word is an insult
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2021-06-17 22:54:33 Prestige Is it?
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2021-06-17 22:55:19 tQuest https://www.etymonline.com/word/git
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2021-06-17 22:56:46 Prestige https://initialcommit.com/blog/How-Did-Git-Get-Its-Name
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2021-06-17 22:56:56 Prestige I don't think the name of it really matters, it's a tool to use
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2021-06-17 22:57:17 tQuest it doesn't provide signed releases for chromium so im not downloading it
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2021-06-17 23:20:45 guil i use arch
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2021-06-17 23:21:47 guil jk
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2021-06-17 23:21:55 guil i use windows
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2021-06-17 23:21:56 tQuest lol good one
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2021-06-17 23:22:10 guil linux is for weirdos
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2021-06-17 23:22:31 zgu is this network all trolls now or what?
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2021-06-17 23:22:32 guil 2% market share :)
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2021-06-17 23:22:47 tQuest it's not that bad, but the devs making the apps and browsers and what else take too many shortcuts
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2021-06-17 23:23:25 unixpro1970 Seems this channel turned into a #trolls
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2021-06-17 23:23:49 guil it always has been
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2021-06-17 23:25:46 guil i don't use microsoft bloat guys
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2021-06-17 23:26:00 guil i just wanted to see your reaction
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2021-06-17 23:27:27 unixpro1970 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsMC6d8DeMo
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2021-06-17 23:27:28 zgu i mean... after hearing you say you used arch it was a bit of a relief
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2021-06-17 23:27:55 unixpro1970 @guil
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2021-06-17 23:29:15 guil imagine using proprietary software lmao
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2021-06-17 23:31:36 @guk imagine caring what others use for software
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2021-06-17 23:32:08 @guk use what works best for the task at hand, sometimes you luck out and its juicy and opensource. Other times you/business pays the price for locked down proprietary. Everything has a use and a place
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2021-06-17 23:33:17 guil i don't care what others do tbh
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2021-06-17 23:33:39 zgu other times you have to buy a proprietary build of a fork of an open source library to satisfy government certification requirements
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2021-06-17 23:33:40 guil let windows users use windows
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2021-06-17 23:33:59 guil jesus mate, where do you live?
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2021-06-17 23:36:02 guil don't get me wrong here, that was a JOKE. I've been using a lot of proprietary software. Let just have some fun. You don't need to argue with jokes. just roll with it
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2021-06-17 23:36:48 tQuest most of the web is effectively proprietary software
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2021-06-17 23:36:49 @guk yeah its all good dude
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2021-06-17 23:37:14 unixpro1970 Did #linux also move to libera.chat?
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2021-06-17 23:38:05 tQuest thanks to weak licensing that allows obfuscation
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2021-06-17 23:38:19 unixpro1970 Unfortunately, I have to wait 4 hours before my ban is over. Was configuring a new irc client and got banned during testing.
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2021-06-17 23:38:45 guil I've been trying to use vscode as a PID 2. Any suggestions?
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2021-06-17 23:39:21 juliandroske I cannot login so far since Ubuntu irc server has redirected to libera
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2021-06-17 23:39:43 tQuest yeh IDK if that's a good idea or not
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2021-06-17 23:39:46 juliandroske so i am using freenode now, but ##linux is missing
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2021-06-17 23:40:06 guil sure, why not?
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2021-06-17 23:40:21 unixpro1970 Seems many channel went to libera.char because of freenode take over.
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2021-06-17 23:40:42 tQuest it has lots of bugs, opening the wrong repo from hub-of-gits could be pretty bad experience
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2021-06-17 23:41:01 guil what clients are you using?
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2021-06-17 23:41:21 unixpro1970 https://www.techradar.com/news/major-open-source-projects-abandon-freenode-following-hostile-takeover
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2021-06-17 23:42:50 unixpro1970 not sure I have to wait 4 hours before my ban is lifted. I will give it a try. Guessing this is why channel chatter is so low.
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2021-06-17 23:45:13 unixpro1970 Was using smuxi and just switched to hexchat
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2021-06-17 23:46:03 unixpro1970 kvirc chat is nice but i couldn't figure out how to turn on spell check.
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2021-06-17 23:59:08 %Hash I use weechat
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2021-06-17 23:59:25 %Hash No mouse stuff, but it's nice
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2021-06-17 23:59:44 Fenris you can use mouse with weechat
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2021-06-18 02:58:34 mylarpy Yes indeed it is I mylarpy. How are you tQuest?
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2021-06-18 03:02:23 tQuest noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOoOOoOOOOOOoooooooooooooo
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2021-06-18 03:11:36 tQuest the channel, or...?
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2021-06-18 03:11:57 mylarpy Any interpretation is equally confounding
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2021-06-18 03:12:15 tQuest this is the only channel with a decent amount of users in it
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2021-06-18 03:12:41 mylarpy All my channels are like dead wastelands ...
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2021-06-18 03:12:52 Prestige freenode has a free bouncer though
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2021-06-18 03:12:59 mylarpy Topics cleared ... users gone
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2021-06-18 03:13:07 Prestige https://freenode.net/#freenode-bouncer-stay-connected-on-irc-all-the-time
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2021-06-18 03:13:09 drellok hi guys, I setup IPsec tunnel between two dedicated servers node A and node B. Node A has multiple VMs running on it. When I testing the performance node A to node B with iperf3, I am getting maximum speed (almost 1Gbit/s), however, when I am trying to iperf from within the VM on node A to node B I am getting abysmal speed - not even 1Mbit/s. This only applies to upload speed. Download from
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2021-06-18 03:13:09 drellok node B to VM on node A is working fine. Any ideas what can be wrong?
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2021-06-18 03:13:39 mylarpy Yes I connected with my IRCCloud to the free bouncer . Worked for a few days until they disabled It.
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2021-06-18 03:14:03 tjr drellok maybe hardware crypto issues?
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2021-06-18 03:14:11 tjr mylarpy the bnc *should* work again
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2021-06-18 03:14:25 mylarpy drellok: maybe need to adjust MTU with respect to overhead of the VPN?
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2021-06-18 03:14:41 drellok mylarpy, let me try to lower MTU
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2021-06-18 03:15:21 mylarpy I grow angry that my IRCCloud does not work. Let me test again with the bouncer workaround.
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2021-06-18 03:15:54 tQuest what VM? you using perf hacks like KVM on there?
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2021-06-18 03:16:00 drellok mylarpy, yes, it was MTU! thanks
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2021-06-18 03:16:58 mylarpy Still broken
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2021-06-18 03:17:05 mylarpy Cool drellok glad to help
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2021-06-18 03:17:34 Prestige I thought it's banned
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2021-06-18 03:17:42 Prestige irc cloud I mean
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2021-06-18 03:18:07 mylarpy Why though ?
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2021-06-18 03:18:28 mylarpy I prefer it. Why banned. Makes no sense.
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2021-06-18 03:18:55 tjr mylarpy works fine for me
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2021-06-18 03:19:14 tjr bnc that is
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2021-06-18 03:19:19 name Is there a way to install XFCE desktop and remove Cinnamon without deleting my files and apps? I tried the XFCE desktop on the Linux Manjaro VMware app and it was pretty good looking
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2021-06-18 03:19:21 tjr just confirmed it on a few clients
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2021-06-18 03:19:43 mylarpy It worked for me for a few days but now it says my password is wrong
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2021-06-18 03:19:46 tjr mylarpy your nickname needs to be registered with nickserv
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2021-06-18 03:20:11 mylarpy Did nickserv database get reset?
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2021-06-18 03:20:12 name Also, is the changing desktops the same process in VMware app and the actual computer OS?
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2021-06-18 03:20:20 name nickserv
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2021-06-18 03:20:55 mylarpy name yes
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2021-06-18 03:21:38 name Ok
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2021-06-18 03:22:05 name Is it a difficult process or likely to break my files or computer?
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2021-06-18 03:22:35 mylarpy Name difficulty depends on the linux distro .
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2021-06-18 03:22:54 name I am using Mint Linux with Cinnamon desktop currently
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2021-06-18 03:23:11 mylarpy Your hardware will not break. Software ayyy maybe unless you're willing to learn more to fix it
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2021-06-18 03:23:36 mylarpy If you're willing to learn then just have no fear . Fuck on it
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2021-06-18 03:23:43 mylarpy Til you become a master
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2021-06-18 03:24:01 name Ideally I wouldn't want software to break, but I can probably read documetation and learn how to fix it. I just don't want to break any files or apps
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2021-06-18 03:24:09 mylarpy Next thing you know you getting internet pussy left and right, if internet pussy was knowledge and capability
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2021-06-18 03:24:15 name Hahahaha
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2021-06-18 03:24:58 mylarpy Fear is the mind killer. Move the files somewhere and stop being a pussy is my advice
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2021-06-18 03:25:35 name I don't know how to move all my apps and files out of my computer
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2021-06-18 03:25:36 mylarpy Make that fear time span smaller because action and failure is essence of learning so you wanna rapidly go thru it
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2021-06-18 03:26:18 mylarpy Put a external disk or usb in
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2021-06-18 03:26:35 mylarpy Then drag and drop ?
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2021-06-18 03:26:39 name Like with my DVD ROM?
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2021-06-18 03:26:51 mylarpy Haha
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2021-06-18 03:27:04 mylarpy You wanna burn a dvd ?
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2021-06-18 03:27:34 name I don't know if that will hold all my stuff
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2021-06-18 03:27:59 name But I have lots of blank CDs and stuff around for my DAW stuff
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2021-06-18 03:28:20 drellok so the MTU fixed the download speed from VM on node A to node B.. now I set node B to be default gateway for VM on node A.. when I am testing iperf from VM to public internet the upload speed is maxed out but the download is 1Mbit again :(
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2021-06-18 03:28:24 mylarpy You got a spare hard disk ?
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2021-06-18 03:28:50 mylarpy Trust the cloud ? Have a good upload speed?
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2021-06-18 03:28:53 name I have a spare floppy disk but it doesn't fit
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2021-06-18 03:29:09 mylarpy I was gonna mention floppy but didn't wanna insult your intelligence
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2021-06-18 03:29:16 name Nope I can't afford good internet in canada
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2021-06-18 03:29:34 name Oh thats ok, I don't know a lot about computers but I am trying to learn
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2021-06-18 03:30:04 name I tried to get an arch linux in a VM earlier and it didn't work yet, so I'll keep working on that
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2021-06-18 03:30:57 mylarpy If you can work in a vm then that's the best. No need to worry about your host files or software and can learn fast
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2021-06-18 03:31:31 name Yeah thats what I was going to do to try to switch my desktop first
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2021-06-18 03:31:59 name I am surprized how fast this VMWare works on this new computer and linux
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2021-06-18 03:32:41 mylarpy drellok: try using tracepath to investigate MTU along the path...
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2021-06-18 03:32:47 mylarpy tracepath traces path to a network host discovering MTU along this path
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2021-06-18 03:33:02 name In my old computer in Windows7 it was very laggy in the VMware, but now I can run the VM and it feels just like the host. No lag on the mouse or on files!
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2021-06-18 03:33:03 mylarpy You may have to adjust a hop ?
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2021-06-18 03:33:48 mylarpy Name cool
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2021-06-18 03:34:13 drellok mylarpy: ok
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2021-06-18 03:35:51 name Is there a version of Hexchat I can use that won't get in the way of serious questions about the computers?
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2021-06-18 03:38:08 mylarpy Name what . How is it getting in the way?
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2021-06-18 03:39:41 name I mean I want to ask beginner questions and stuff without being an obstacle for someone who may have broke their computer and needs help or something
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2021-06-18 03:40:33 drellok mylarpy: the MTU with tracepath is 1422
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2021-06-18 03:40:38 name I am kind of new to this whole Hexchat thing and linux
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2021-06-18 03:41:02 mylarpy Name how considerate of you. That sounds like a people problem not a computer program problem. And I think you should worry about yourself. Let others worry about themselves too.
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2021-06-18 03:41:32 mylarpy In short... get your nut... others will get theirs but mostet yours.
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2021-06-18 03:41:45 mylarpy But most important is that you get yours *
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2021-06-18 03:42:12 mylarpy Your kindness is noted though and highly respectable
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2021-06-18 03:42:44 name What I want to know is not as important as someone looking for information on how to reinstall their iproute2 and DHCP or something I would think
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2021-06-18 03:43:25 mylarpy drellok: interesting. So for the slow route its 1422 along the entire path, all hops? Is it same as the one that works fine? If so maybe MTU isn't the issue.. I don't have any other guesses atm.
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2021-06-18 03:43:45 name Is there a way to get OnlineSequencer chat in Hexchat?
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2021-06-18 03:44:40 mylarpy Name I don't think that's true about import of questions. Let the answereers decide what they want to answer?
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2021-06-18 03:44:52 mylarpy What's online sequencer?
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2021-06-18 03:46:01 name Online Sequencer is an online music tracker I found with a forum and chat thingy
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2021-06-18 03:46:34 name I like to use the chat thingy sometimes and would be nice to have it in Hexchat I think
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2021-06-18 03:47:20 mylarpy Oh you're talking about a concept called bridging
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2021-06-18 03:47:51 name Ok
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2021-06-18 03:48:08 name I couldn't find OnlineSequencer chat in the download server list
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2021-06-18 03:48:38 mylarpy The matrix.org community is into that ... not that you'd need it... you would have to reverse engineer the chat thingy (is it a web chat ?) and bridge it to IRC somehow ... a lot of other ways too... sounds like a fun hacking/dev project
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2021-06-18 03:49:37 mylarpy What you can try to get started reverse engineering the chat thingy is open up the web inspector and look at the network tab and see if you can learn how your browser is communicating (sending and receiving messages)
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2021-06-18 03:50:18 name Ok
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2021-06-18 03:50:47 mylarpy Once you learn its protocol you can design a program in your language of choice and then connect it to whatever your heart desires... their server won't know the difference
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2021-06-18 03:51:00 k4k0 hi all
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2021-06-18 03:51:26 mylarpy Don't expect hexchat to find something if its not IRC protocol (a rare and old protocol)
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2021-06-18 03:51:27 name It uses HTTPS I think
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2021-06-18 03:51:48 mylarpy k4k0: hi can you tell me why im still here ?
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2021-06-18 03:52:51 name I noticed I need a specific user key to send messages, is it dangerous to put that into IRC?
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2021-06-18 03:53:08 mylarpy Wdym?
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2021-06-18 03:53:58 name Is there any way it could easily be accessed?
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2021-06-18 03:54:36 name Is IRC secure I think I mean, compared to HTTPS?
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2021-06-18 03:55:04 mylarpy Secure is a loaded word
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2021-06-18 03:55:40 name I've never coded an app before, unless sudo apt counts
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2021-06-18 03:55:53 mylarpy Think who do you trust ? Your computer. The computers that carry your packets between yours and the server. The server.
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2021-06-18 03:56:06 mylarpy In my mind. I trust none of these .
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2021-06-18 03:56:22 mylarpy I just pretend im always under surveillance. It sucks I know
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2021-06-18 03:56:39 mylarpy But I can't really logically understand how security is possible
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2021-06-18 03:56:51 k4k0 mylarpy, I'm due to lack of sleep
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2021-06-18 03:56:53 k4k0 lol
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2021-06-18 03:57:33 mylarpy In other words if https is secure (in short yeah it is... ) do you trust the server ?
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2021-06-18 03:57:55 mylarpy If it's your bank. Sure you trust them with your bank login.
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2021-06-18 03:58:02 name The reason I switched to linux, one of them at least, was the awful windows surveillance
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2021-06-18 03:58:03 tQuest you trust CA
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2021-06-18 03:58:39 mylarpy Yes with linux you can trust your own computer more ... that's for sure. Your hardware though is the same.
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2021-06-18 03:59:00 k4k0 don't you like windows? bill gates would be upset to hear about this
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2021-06-18 03:59:01 k4k0 :O
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2021-06-18 03:59:06 mylarpy k4k0: im gonna be in your boat if I stay any longer ahhh
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2021-06-18 03:59:33 k4k0 wow, mylarpy
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2021-06-18 03:59:49 name In a world without fences or walls, we don't need Windows or Gates
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2021-06-18 04:00:17 k4k0 :O
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2021-06-18 04:00:21 name I do like how all my VST run on windows though :/
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2021-06-18 04:00:39 mylarpy I like the wordplay and the Microsoft bashing but that's about it
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2021-06-18 04:01:03 mylarpy I'll keep my walls and fences thank you
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2021-06-18 04:01:15 k4k0 I only wanted 2% of the bill gates fortune and I would spend it all on snacks and coke
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2021-06-18 04:01:16 k4k0 =/
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2021-06-18 04:01:19 * mylarpy says with his IP showing lol
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2021-06-18 04:01:49 tQuest vst has that gui stuff you have to implement
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2021-06-18 04:02:09 mylarpy k4k0: but after you realize you still have all this money left, then what?
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2021-06-18 04:02:57 name Well I am using Guitarix and Surge has a linux version, so I have most of the stuff I need. If BBC Orchestra and some random mellotron would work that would be perfect
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2021-06-18 04:03:20 k4k0 I'm going to spend it on food, coke and buy several houses...
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2021-06-18 04:04:05 k4k0 maybe I'll buy some institution that makes covid-19 vaccines just for me and my private family.
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2021-06-18 04:04:33 k4k0 But the important thing is to always have a belly full of food and caffeine.
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2021-06-18 04:06:03 mylarpy k4k0: okay and now your biotech and real estate investments have doubled your money. You have more coke and food than you could ever want. What's next ?
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2021-06-18 04:08:23 name Obviously the next step would be to spend it all on loot boxes in these mobile phone videogames
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2021-06-18 04:08:50 k4k0 [05:06:05] <mylarpy> k4k0: okay and now your biotech and real estate investments have doubled your money. You have more coke and food than you could ever want. What's next ?
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2021-06-18 04:08:54 k4k0 humm
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2021-06-18 04:08:59 k4k0 now I was in doubt, maybe I spend on cars or offer food to those who like to eat a lot and drink a lot of coke.
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2021-06-18 04:09:26 k4k0 life is eating, or we will starve to death. :S
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2021-06-18 04:09:32 mylarpy I am whelmed. Merely whelmed.
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2021-06-18 04:10:18 k4k0 well, it would be interesting to spend on cell phones, but I hate charging them, I think we should still have cell phones without chargers.
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2021-06-18 04:11:19 name Yeah put all the money into making a mobile operating system thats not garbage
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2021-06-18 04:11:22 k4k0 Martin Cooper
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2021-06-18 04:11:39 mylarpy I couldn't be any more whelmed with these responses to unlimited wealth
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2021-06-18 04:12:11 k4k0 name, don't you like android?
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2021-06-18 04:12:11 mylarpy But I suppose my non-answer invalidates me from criticizing your merely whelming answers
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2021-06-18 04:12:32 mylarpy So I bid you farewell as I take leave
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2021-06-18 04:12:55 name Not at all. Too much like Windows10
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2021-06-18 04:12:56 k4k0 lol
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2021-06-18 04:12:57 k4k0 mylarpy
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2021-06-18 04:13:16 k4k0 What's the best thing in the world? is not eating?
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2021-06-18 04:13:17 k4k0 humm
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2021-06-18 04:13:38 name The best thing in the world is my ass!
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2021-06-18 04:13:48 k4k0 I'd rather have millions of sweets and snacks in my house than computers, cell phones... cars
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2021-06-18 04:13:49 mylarpy Best thing in the world ?
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2021-06-18 04:14:05 k4k0 name ass what?
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2021-06-18 04:14:07 k4k0 HAHAHA
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2021-06-18 04:14:16 k4k0 yes, mylarpy
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2021-06-18 04:14:23 mylarpy A satisfying shit.
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2021-06-18 04:14:37 mylarpy Best things in the world are free.
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2021-06-18 04:14:58 k4k0 For me the best invention was food, snacks, hamburgers, macdonald's. burger king etc...
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2021-06-18 04:15:25 k4k0 but nothing is free
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2021-06-18 04:15:31 name I don't know about the best thing but I like to have sex a lot
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2021-06-18 04:15:45 k4k0 so if you have money, they will have it done for you.
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2021-06-18 04:16:08 k4k0 ok, name
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2021-06-18 04:16:09 k4k0 but sex is paid too
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2021-06-18 04:16:11 name What do you guys think of the flat looking design on all the apps these days compared to the 3D shiny design the apps used to have?
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2021-06-18 04:16:11 k4k0 :S
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2021-06-18 04:16:50 k4k0 well, i don't know about 3d as i use windows 98 yet.
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2021-06-18 04:18:00 name I mean 3D like MacOS icons looked or Windows 7, compared to the flat looking not very 3D look of Windows10 or any website I can find
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2021-06-18 04:18:01 mylarpy I like flat. Its an admission of the flatness of the surfaces upon which they are displayed and do not seek to fool my brain, making them appear more honest about themselves which I like.
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2021-06-18 04:18:21 drellok mylarpy: the slowdown seems to be affecting iperf running over TCP only... running over UDP has no issues... so I am assuming it has something to do with TCP fragmentation? I tried to do MSS clamping with iptables but no luck so far
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2021-06-18 04:18:52 k4k0 lol
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2021-06-18 04:19:40 name Interesting, I like the 3D icons because they are easier to distinguish from the background, making it easier for me to look at stuff quickly, like an app launcher
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2021-06-18 04:19:49 mylarpy drellok: ah im at my knowledge limit unfortunately. You could try #networking which has been helpful to me in the past
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2021-06-18 04:20:06 k4k0 Well, speaking of iptables... it made me hungry, I'm going to prepare 4 hamburgers to eat I'll be right back.
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2021-06-18 04:20:07 k4k0 brb
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2021-06-18 04:20:26 mylarpy k4k0: cya fat boy
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2021-06-18 04:20:41 drellok mylarpy, thanks I tried it awhile back but no response
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2021-06-18 04:20:51 mylarpy How the hell iptables reminded him of food I don't know.
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2021-06-18 04:21:19 name Maybe he can put food packets on the iptable
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2021-06-18 04:21:20 mylarpy drellok: could be the liberachat split causing mindshare to go away
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2021-06-18 04:21:44 mylarpy Im really here just to see who is still here and why
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2021-06-18 04:21:49 k4k0 I am thin. I'm only 58 kg
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2021-06-18 04:22:34 mylarpy But your great fun personalities have kept me longer than I had anticipated
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2021-06-18 04:22:42 name Did something happen to freenode recently? I think I heard something about it being broken in another version of Hexchat
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2021-06-18 04:23:09 mylarpy Yes name there has been some drama to say the least...
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2021-06-18 04:23:55 mylarpy k4k0: that's a good weight. I like 27. 127 lbs
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2021-06-18 04:24:16 name I think I will keep using Freenode unless it breaks
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2021-06-18 04:24:20 k4k0 :O
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2021-06-18 04:26:19 name Is there anything I should know before trying macOS in the VMware thing?
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2021-06-18 04:26:45 mylarpy Name does your hexchat have liberachat server in it ?
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2021-06-18 04:28:08 mylarpy Oh man macOS in VMware will probably be slow as shit. If your host is Linux there's another option too you may be interested in (also slow as shit but related) https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM
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2021-06-18 04:28:57 mylarpy Aww there goes name
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2021-06-18 04:29:09 k4k0 OH
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2021-06-18 04:29:18 tQuest nnnNNNOOOOOooooooooooo
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2021-06-18 04:29:56 drellok he is probably trying macOS on VMware right now
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2021-06-18 04:31:42 mylarpy No I should say intrigues
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2021-06-18 04:32:02 mylarpy I want to know the full story
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2021-06-18 04:32:11 tQuest of wat
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2021-06-18 04:32:20 mylarpy Of you
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2021-06-18 04:32:28 tQuest once upon the time i was me
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2021-06-18 04:32:58 mylarpy That it ?
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2021-06-18 04:33:06 tQuest something like that
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2021-06-18 04:33:14 tQuest then some other stuff
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2021-06-18 04:33:40 tQuest and then i told em large marge sent me
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2021-06-18 04:33:53 mylarpy Who is large marge ?
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2021-06-18 04:34:04 tQuest famous folk hero
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2021-06-18 04:34:07 mylarpy And is she in charge ?
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2021-06-18 04:34:59 tQuest naturally
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2021-06-18 04:36:00 mylarpy I like the sound of this large marge
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2021-06-18 04:36:18 k4k0 .stats
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2021-06-18 04:37:24 mylarpy With her natural firmness and generously to send you in mind I will commence to dreaming. Good night
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2021-06-18 04:37:27 tQuest shes like the davey crockett of trucking
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2021-06-18 04:37:36 mylarpy Oh even better now she has a trucker hat
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2021-06-18 14:37:20 CrystalMath name: can you paste the kernel command line?
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2021-06-18 14:38:39 name I did insmod linux, linux /boot/vmlinuz-linux root=dev/sda1, initrd /boot/initramfs-linux.img
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2021-06-18 14:38:52 theos hi
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2021-06-18 14:38:58 name Not sure how to do that on VM
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2021-06-18 14:39:03 enyc theos: olleh
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2021-06-18 14:39:08 enyc name: not sure much fo that need to be done manually
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2021-06-18 14:39:16 CrystalMath name: should probably be /dev/sda1
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2021-06-18 14:39:17 enyc name: most distros that sort of thing and GRUB installed for you!
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2021-06-18 14:39:32 CrystalMath name: also initrd=/boot/initramfs-linux.img
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2021-06-18 14:39:35 CrystalMath with the =
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2021-06-18 14:39:41 CrystalMath check the syntax
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2021-06-18 14:39:48 name Oooh ok I'll try that
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2021-06-18 14:40:04 theos so i just installed chromium. its nice. but the address bar font is too small. how do i make it bigger? i am on lubuntu 18.04. i guess i have to increase system font but i dont know how
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2021-06-18 14:40:36 name Probably in system settings > appearance > fonts
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2021-06-18 14:41:41 theos that doesnt change chromium font
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2021-06-18 14:42:25 name I don't know much about chromium but it is probably changeable from the browser settings or about:config
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2021-06-18 14:43:49 name Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown block(0,0
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2021-06-18 14:44:11 zgu yeah that's a bad root= param
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2021-06-18 14:44:44 zgu or possibly missing disk controller or fs driver. but on a binary distro kernel i'd expect that to be less likely
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2021-06-18 14:45:21 zgu if you use a UUID instead of device node path it will work around the first issue
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2021-06-18 14:46:58 name What is UUID?
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2021-06-18 14:49:03 zgu like a serial number for the filesystem
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2021-06-18 14:49:13 name How do I get one?
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2021-06-18 14:49:52 zgu run blkid from your install media and it will show everything detected
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2021-06-18 14:50:05 zgu or look at the /dev/disk/by-uuid symlinks
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2021-06-18 14:50:32 name Install media being the virtual iso or grub?
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2021-06-18 14:50:41 zgu iso
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2021-06-18 14:50:52 name Ok
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2021-06-18 14:51:10 zgu actually grub might be able to show it
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2021-06-18 14:51:37 name Oh I just closed grub to insert the virtual CD
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2021-06-18 14:53:35 name Ok I think I found the UUID. What is fs and how do I check if its broken?
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2021-06-18 15:15:51 name Ok the UUID thing didn't work, got the same error
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2021-06-18 15:29:55 wallacer what was the name of the feature that allowed you to terminate a whole CIDR block locally on a interface?
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2021-06-18 15:30:18 wallacer instead of adding addresses manually for each IP on a interface, you could just add a CIDR block, etc
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2021-06-18 15:38:23 enyc wallacer: oh thats interesting I'm used to that being how 127.0.0.0/8 works implicitly in kerel
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2021-06-18 15:38:47 enyc wallacer: maybe sort of NDP-proxy (or on legacy internet, proxy-ARP) is what you are thinking of?
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2021-06-18 15:39:01 wallacer yeah in fact I remember how that works is by adding the address to lo, and it answers NDP/ARP on all interfaces
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2021-06-18 15:39:11 wallacer I know what you mean, but I'm not looking for routing
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2021-06-18 15:39:18 enyc at least, thats' about answering the NDP/ADP, but not necessarially having kernel act like every address is on the machine
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2021-06-18 15:39:31 enyc wallacer: there might be a linux-net channel good for this
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2021-06-18 15:39:38 wallacer there's a specific feature in the kernel that allows you to terminate all addresses on a subnet
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2021-06-18 15:39:43 wallacer it's not routing, it actually terminates there
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2021-06-18 15:39:54 wallacer i.e. "every address is on the machine"
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2021-06-18 15:40:10 wallacer iirc that's how irccloud implements a unique address for each user
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2021-06-18 15:40:40 enyc wallacer: "Netfilter, iptables/nftables, Linux Network setup in general" says libera #netfilter channel, You have a good question to ask there, make it concise
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2021-06-18 15:41:19 enyc name: would need approximate copy of error to comment
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2021-06-18 15:41:35 wallacer I don't think that's related to nf tho
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2021-06-18 15:41:55 enyc wallacer: they say ", Linux Network setup in general"
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2021-06-18 15:42:01 wallacer https://serverfault.com/a/934511
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2021-06-18 15:42:01 wallacer is the feature but it doesn't mention the name
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2021-06-18 15:42:03 enyc wallacer: so ask there the query and where to put the query
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2021-06-18 15:43:52 wallacer after a few dozen searches I finally found it
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2021-06-18 15:43:56 wallacer https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=ab79ad14a2d51e95f0ac3cef7cd116a57089ba82
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2021-06-18 15:44:00 wallacer this is all the documentation apparently
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2021-06-18 15:53:27 enyc wallacer: I don't think addding an address to lo makes liek anser NDP/ARP no all interfaces unless the proxy-ndp/proxy-arp enabled suitably
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2021-06-18 15:53:45 enyc wallacer: but it does mean linux will consider it a local ip address if a packet does get to itself nonetheless
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2021-06-18 15:53:58 wallacer I'm under the assumption it works if it's routed
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2021-06-18 15:54:11 wallacer but if it ends up in the device, it will indeed be handled
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2021-06-18 16:00:41 koszik enyc, defaults for arp are to reply to any address regardless of which interface it's added on
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2021-06-18 16:02:18 enyc koszik: are you sure? that eaisily causes all sorts of chaos with taking over ip addresses on wrong side and stuff..
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2021-06-18 16:03:57 +koszik epyc, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/networking/ip-sysctl.txt - arp_ignore
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2021-06-18 17:03:21 manemm yes
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2021-06-18 17:10:13 NthDegree manemm, I believe PowerShell has LDAP script samples and it's now supported on Linux
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2021-06-18 19:17:30 @oxek but both windows and many major DEs for linux don't do that, and it makes me sad
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2021-06-18 19:37:39 xse eeeh i mean people resist to change but modifying an interface can also be an huge QOL improvement
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2021-06-18 19:38:38 tQuest the best is when everyone who's everyone has migrated to TOOLKIT-NG and a few years later things start breaking from updates to last-gen still being pushed through
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2021-06-18 19:39:19 tQuest so projects that didn't migrate are left with a hellish landscape of mixed compatability
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2021-06-19 11:12:44 -- Topic for #linux is "Welcome to #linux | Home of the freenode linux community | linux discussion and support | every Linux distribution is welcome"
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2021-06-19 11:12:44 -- Topic set by oxek on Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:42:40
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2021-06-19 11:12:44 -- Channel #linux: 10 nicks (0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normals)
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2021-06-19 11:12:46 -- Channel created on Sun, 13 Jun 2021 15:56:17
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