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2021-05-12 22:21:13 --> wymillerlinux (~wyatt@096-042-164-072.res.spectrum.com) has joined #freebsd
2021-05-12 22:21:13 -- Topic for #freebsd is "FreeBSD-13.0-RELEASE is out! Pastebin: https://bsd.to | Have fun, be civilized, respect each other | On-topic conversations only, otherwise: #freebsd-social | For abuse reports/help: #freebsd-irc | Other FreeBSD channels: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Channels"
2021-05-12 22:21:13 -- Topic set by debdrup on Tue, 13 Apr 2021 15:28:04
2021-05-12 22:21:13 -- Channel #freebsd: 774 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 772 normals)
2021-05-12 22:21:13 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): Please check handbook and manual pages first at https://freebsd.org/handbook and https://man.freebsd.org | Always use a pastebin, either https://bsd.to or https://termbin.com
2021-05-12 22:21:27 -- Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-05-12 22:23:58 kinkinkijkin zykotick9, for context I'm trying to get video working on a 2007 imac with a radeon 2400 xt
2021-05-12 22:24:12 kinkinkijkin so far I've not had much luck
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2021-05-12 22:34:24 fb n~.~.
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2021-05-13 01:10:19 parv Could someone recommend a lightweight (preferably GTK-2) calculator when GRPN would eventually be removed?
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2021-05-13 01:12:59 parv Yes, I am looking for a GUI calculator; can use, have used, currently use python3|perl 5 REPL when I do not have my phone handy.
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2021-05-13 01:22:37 epony fox calculator
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2021-05-13 01:26:05 epony http://www.fox-toolkit.org/calc.html
2021-05-13 01:26:06 VimDiesel Title: Calculator (at www.fox-toolkit.org)
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2021-05-13 01:38:59 parv Thanks. Weird is that "calculator" is an example of the toolkit.
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2021-05-13 01:44:08 @debdrup parv: learn dc :)
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2021-05-13 01:44:31 @debdrup or bc for that matter.
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2021-05-13 01:48:04 parv debdrup, in case of [bd]c, I am doing just fine with Python|Perl.
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2021-05-13 01:57:15 parv re fox toolkit calculator: its buttons fill the space on change of window size but the text remain horribly tiny. Need to find a way to adjust the text size, else would be continuously irritating ...
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2021-05-13 05:03:23 andreas303 Hi folks! Do you know if there any official instructions about how to install freebsd 13 to a new drive by using a pre-existing freebsd 12 installation on another drive? I have all my tools and convenient configuration on my existing freebsd 12 installation, and would like to use that instead of starting from scratch by booting from an iso image...
2021-05-13 05:04:42 meka andreas303: although I never done such a thing I would check bsdinstall(8) for start
2021-05-13 05:04:55 xtao it should be pretty easy
2021-05-13 05:05:39 xtao you can download base.txz and kernel.txz from the download site, just need to create filesystems, extract those over the top, and install a bootloader (in theory)
2021-05-13 05:06:19 xtao i guess you can possibly run bsdinstall inside a chroot or something as well maybe
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2021-05-13 05:07:36 imachine hello!
2021-05-13 05:08:29 IonutVan_ andreas303, why not cloning your current installation on the new drive and then upgrade?
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2021-05-13 05:18:05 imachine trying to upgrade from 12.2-R to 13.0-R w/ freebsd-update; is that something that is/has been tried and/or is supported? cheers!
2021-05-13 05:18:59 imachine I can see the -r option and am using that, just wondering, what the official stance is. I would assume since it's there, it's possible, but, just double checking for the M in YMMV.
2021-05-13 05:20:22 imachine it's been plenty of 'sort'ing (it's an old laptop, and inside a VM) but it seems to be chugging along...
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2021-05-13 05:26:47 xtao it is supported and works well yes
2021-05-13 05:27:37 xtao just remember to also reinstall all packages afterwards as it's a major version upgrade, and reinstall your boot loader (either BIOS or EFI)
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2021-05-13 05:28:09 imachine ok, cheers!
2021-05-13 05:28:26 imachine it's utterly slow so far, but onwards...
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2021-05-13 05:28:40 andreas303 imachine: My current freebsd 12 installation is so messy, and I want to switch from GELI to native ZFS encryption and also setup freebsd 13 so that I can unlock the root filesystem via ssh. So cloning the installation would probably not be worth it...
2021-05-13 05:28:44 imachine oh! it heard me. something's happening.
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2021-05-13 05:29:34 imachine andreas303, I know nothing of these new functionality, I just happen to have love for FreeBSD since I've beein using it since 4.8
2021-05-13 05:30:02 andreas303 imachine: Sorry, I replied to the wrong person. I wanted to reply to IonutVan_ instead. :)
2021-05-13 05:30:06 imachine but it's been useless to me - lately, I've been thinking of postponing another job and thought, hey, I can find a distraction here and call that honest work :)
2021-05-13 05:30:27 imachine so I'm upgrading... maybe w/ even move to FBSD on the desktop again.
2021-05-13 05:30:30 andreas303 imachine: Sorry to disapont you. :)
2021-05-13 05:30:32 imachine andreas303, cool, no biggie.
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2021-05-13 05:39:51 IonutVan_ andreas303, I got it. I usually prefer to have a clean install and just transfer what I need from the old installation. You can just copy over config files and install the corresponding packages and done
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2021-05-13 06:22:28 IonutVan_ andreas303, is ZFS native encryption available in 13?
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2021-05-13 06:27:05 bsdbandit good morning
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2021-05-13 07:03:40 parv IonutVan_, ZFS native encryption is limited to dataset: http://www.allanjude.com/bsd/openzfs_geli_encryption.pdf (from page 3)
2021-05-13 07:03:43 imachine xtao, it's going strong, what an upgrade! compared to make world &&, though it seems more streamlined, it's also quite a lenghty process!
2021-05-13 07:04:38 imachine so, anyone deep into FreeBSD, has 13.0-R given anything in terms of desktop performance/usability/stability/functionality, that an everyday user may notice?
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2021-05-13 07:21:35 @debdrup imachine: reading the release notes is probably the not the worst idea.
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2021-05-13 07:26:26 @debdrup If you want the full list of changes, https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/log/?showmsg=1&h=releng%2F13.0 is it - although there's on the close order of 20k commits, so it might take a little time to go through it ;)
2021-05-13 07:26:30 VimDiesel Title: src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-13 07:29:04 IonutVan_ thanks parv
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2021-05-13 09:35:18 gjgf how are we supposed to work with the port tree now?
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2021-05-13 09:38:42 parv gjgf, with git? Or, do you mean something else?
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2021-05-13 09:41:31 gjgf yes after git migration it became unusable
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2021-05-13 09:42:19 parv how so?
2021-05-13 09:42:53 gjgf you have to clone the entire tree and it takes huge space
2021-05-13 09:43:27 parv true.
2021-05-13 09:43:57 parv is the space taken an issue for you?
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2021-05-13 09:44:59 gjgf well yes
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2021-05-13 09:45:09 gjgf I need maybe 3 ports
2021-05-13 09:45:16 parv gjgf, do you maintain port(s)? If not, you could do a shallow check out.
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2021-05-13 09:46:29 parv IIRC from mailing lists, difference in space taken is not much [between full & --depth 1 check out]
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2021-05-13 09:50:40 parv another thing to try is "gitup" (had not tried myself; nor will)
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2021-05-13 09:55:18 unix_01 hello
2021-05-13 09:55:49 unix_01 if someone has 2 minutes
2021-05-13 09:56:08 unix_01 FreeBSD freebsd 13.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE #0 releng/13.0-n244733-ea31abc261f
2021-05-13 09:56:30 unix_01 em driver working wrong on my laptop (lenovo t460)
2021-05-13 09:56:56 unix_01 i tried disable the driver and use another(igb)
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2021-05-13 09:57:15 unix_01 wrong lan card speed (100base)
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2021-05-13 09:57:30 unix_01 someone has ever met one like this?
2021-05-13 09:57:39 parv unix_01, what should be the speed then?
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2021-05-13 09:58:32 unix_01 ifconfig -m em0
2021-05-13 09:58:45 unix_01 media autoselect
2021-05-13 09:58:45 unix_01 media 1000baseT
2021-05-13 09:58:45 unix_01 media 1000baseT mediaopt full-duplex
2021-05-13 09:58:45 unix_01 media 100baseTX mediaopt full-duplex
2021-05-13 09:58:45 unix_01 media 100baseTX
2021-05-13 09:58:46 parv unix_01, have you checked the other end point (on router, switch, modem, etc) if it is right speed?
2021-05-13 09:58:46 unix_01 media 10baseT/UTP mediaopt full-duplex
2021-05-13 09:58:48 unix_01 media 10baseT/UTP
2021-05-13 09:58:55 unix_01 parv yes
2021-05-13 09:59:10 unix_01 i wrote some line in my rc.conf
2021-05-13 09:59:13 unix_01 like this
2021-05-13 09:59:31 unix_01 #ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.10.49 netmask 255.255.255.0 media 1000baseT mediaopt full-duplex"
2021-05-13 09:59:31 unix_01 #defaultrouter="192.168.10.1"
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2021-05-13 09:59:53 dvl I want to create a nagios alert. The simple version is "grep -c ErrorMsg /var/log/apache/example-error.log" If the answer is more than 100, raise the alert. Then Apache could be restarted, and we'd fix the situation. The problem is now to RESET the alert. There are still more 100 errors in the log. The simple solution is to rotate the log. Other ideas?
2021-05-13 10:00:39 dvl Fixing the thing which creates the errors is outside scope of this monitor. That is a longer term project. The above helps us fix the situation sooner.
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2021-05-13 10:01:41 unix_01 sorry
2021-05-13 10:01:52 unix_01 someone banned me
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2021-05-13 10:03:34 dvl unix_01: I think it is trying to encourage you to use a pastebin website instead of long pastes here.
2021-05-13 10:03:45 unix_01 of course
2021-05-13 10:03:48 dvl I could run newsyslog manually, with a custom configuration file.
2021-05-13 10:03:59 unix_01 if someone tell me i am not copy paste
2021-05-13 10:04:00 unix_01 :)
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2021-05-13 10:04:40 dvl unix_01: automated solutions help.
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2021-05-13 10:04:50 unix_01 yep
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2021-05-13 10:05:09 parv dvl, use a bit more complex counting than a simple grep: note the time of last 100 counts; ignore everything before that time when looking for next 100. That is, if you would still like to be notified of next 100 error strings
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2021-05-13 10:06:10 unix_01 any idea?:)
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2021-05-13 10:12:05 unix_01 dvl: i tried all solution :( i spent for it 3 day
2021-05-13 10:12:38 dvl parv: keeping track of the time becomes the hard part of coding.
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2021-05-13 10:13:17 dvl unix_01: time for the freebsd mailing lists
2021-05-13 10:14:00 unix_01 w.t.f
2021-05-13 10:14:45 unix_01 thanks for the help
2021-05-13 10:14:48 unix_01 bye
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2021-05-13 10:17:34 parv dvl: consider time to be an ever increasing value for your case. Then you would need to keep track (sqlite, dbd, plain file) only one value
2021-05-13 10:18:01 dvl too much coding though....
2021-05-13 10:18:14 dvl too many edge cases I fear.
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2021-05-13 10:19:15 dvl How do I grep from one date in the file forward? How does log rotation affect this solution?
2021-05-13 10:19:48 dvl 'grep -c ErrorMesssage file' is simple. No finding dates etc.
2021-05-13 10:20:04 * parv gives up.
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2021-05-13 10:26:51 dvl parv: I think you are correct for a permanent solution, but for something quick and easy, I don't know how to code that.
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2021-05-13 10:29:11 parv dvl, but that "quick and easy" gives you "reset" issue to solve in turn.?
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2021-05-13 10:30:11 dvl parv: I think I can do that RESET by manually running newsylog with a custom configuration file.
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2021-05-13 10:30:39 parv dvl, great. then you don't have issues now.
2021-05-13 10:31:13 dvl parv: I need to work within my coding boundaries. :/
2021-05-13 10:31:41 parv :-| indeed
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2021-05-13 10:32:45 parv dvl, can't you fire up log rotation after issuing alert?
2021-05-13 10:33:36 dvl parv: You want the alerts reset after taking action to correct the situation. That requires manual intervention, and that's when you rotate.
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2021-05-13 10:33:53 parv dvl, ah right.
2021-05-13 10:34:08 dvl This situation hopefully gets fixed soonish, and we are trying to avoid users detecting the problem and reporting it. We want to find it first.
2021-05-13 10:34:38 dvl By "detecting the problem", I mean "being affected by the problem"
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2021-05-13 11:01:23 ceri dvl: other options to play with include "tail -r" and "grep -A 100 ${restart_string}" if the error log is logged apache restarts
2021-05-13 11:01:35 ceri dvl: trial and error needed perhaps
2021-05-13 11:01:48 dvl ceri: Thanks
2021-05-13 11:02:02 ceri dvl: oh also "grep -m 1" if going backwards
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2021-05-13 11:02:56 ceri dvl: tail -r error_log | grep -m 1 ${restart_string} should give you the most recent restart
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2021-05-13 11:07:28 * debdrup waves at ceri
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2021-05-13 11:07:56 -- Mode #freebsd [-oo debdrup koobs] by ChanServ
2021-05-13 11:09:24 kevans91 ceri: ahoy!
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2021-05-13 11:11:59 kevans91 ceri: if it's not inappropriate to ask, how long were you away?
2021-05-13 11:12:14 ceri /me waves.
2021-05-13 11:12:20 ceri kevans91: 9 years I think?
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2021-05-13 11:12:46 kevans91 oh, wow. Welcome back! :-)
2021-05-13 11:12:46 debdrup I think my break turned out to be close to 15 years.
2021-05-13 11:12:55 debdrup I've been back for a while now, though.
2021-05-13 11:13:06 ceri thanks :D
2021-05-13 11:13:31 ceri was running 5-CURRENT at the time anyway
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2021-05-13 11:14:42 ceri oh wait that's not true.
2021-05-13 11:15:01 ceri https://twitter.com/ceri/status/1332744865294258177?s=20 - 7.4-STABLE
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2021-05-13 11:15:39 kevans91 Predates my use in any event =p
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2021-05-13 11:16:54 ceri it's all different and yet, somehow the same :D
2021-05-13 11:17:26 kevans91 you get git now!
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2021-05-13 11:18:11 ceri yeah, jury is out on whether that is good. i didn't really adjust to svn very well
2021-05-13 11:18:26 ceri I mean, it's good for the project. I just mean for me :D
2021-05-13 11:19:21 kevans91 eheh
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2021-05-13 11:19:45 kevans91 At least you chose to give it a shot =)
2021-05-13 11:20:09 ceri indeed!
2021-05-13 11:20:35 ceri learnt a heck of a lot in this community, why not do some more?
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2021-05-13 11:23:05 kevans91 Mutual learning opportunities are the best
2021-05-13 11:25:55 ceri agreed
2021-05-13 11:26:21 ceri git primer does seem well written, so kudos to those responsible
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2021-05-13 11:45:32 anexit Why can I not update my pkg?
2021-05-13 11:45:40 anexit pkg upgrade virtualbox-ose-6.1.18
2021-05-13 11:45:56 anexit Updating FreeBSD repository catalogue...
2021-05-13 11:45:56 anexit FreeBSD repository is up to date.
2021-05-13 11:45:57 anexit All repositories are up to date.
2021-05-13 11:45:57 anexit Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
2021-05-13 11:45:57 anexit Your packages are up to date.
2021-05-13 11:46:02 * ceri makes a note that you can't HUP bitchx
2021-05-13 11:46:16 anexit BUT virtualbox is at 6.1.2.2
2021-05-13 11:47:30 RypPn you're on quarterly
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2021-05-13 11:50:10 anexit /usr/ports show 6.1.22
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2021-05-13 12:50:24 debdrup anexit: please don't paste into the channel.
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2021-05-13 12:51:34 debdrup https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=9674c2e68c61 hooray, ng_bridge is now multithreaded.
2021-05-13 12:51:35 VimDiesel Title: src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.FreeBSD.org)
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2021-05-13 13:02:24 anexit I was able to upgrade so I'm good! Just need to figure out why vbox_headless="srver1 srv.srv" isn't working
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2021-05-13 14:07:27 FUZxxl any recommendation for a MIPS board to test FreeBSD on?
2021-05-13 14:07:31 FUZxxl I want to port a program written in MIPS assembly.
2021-05-13 14:07:42 FUZxxl A RISC-V board would be great, too
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2021-05-13 14:11:47 epony FUZxxl, what does that program do?
2021-05-13 14:12:30 CosmicDJ FUZxxl: looks like there's just 1 RISC-V board supported right now https://wiki.freebsd.org/riscv also there's no mention of MIPS https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/announce/
2021-05-13 14:12:31 VimDiesel Title: riscv - FreeBSD Wiki (at wiki.freebsd.org)
2021-05-13 14:13:41 sig12 after connecting to my skullcandy crusher wireless head set I run: virtual_oss -C 2 -c 2 -r 48000 -b 16 -s 768 -R /dev/null -p /dev/bluetooth/crusher -d dsp
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2021-05-13 14:14:08 sig12 I get backend_bt: PSM=0x19 : backend_bt: Could not connect to HC: 5
2021-05-13 14:14:30 sig12 but all other bt soundbars work, just can't connect to the crusher wireless headset.
2021-05-13 14:14:59 sig12 werll I can connect just not with virtual_oss it seems
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2021-05-13 14:17:25 sig12 do some headsets come with bt version 4 or 5? cause those aren't supported correct? but all should be backwards compatible?
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2021-05-13 14:18:10 FUZxxl epony: it's a Forth system
2021-05-13 14:18:24 FUZxxl one problem will be that it's for 32 bit RISC-V
2021-05-13 14:18:38 FUZxxl (RISC-V and MIPS are so similar, the code assembles for both and works equally well)
2021-05-13 14:18:50 moon-child assembly polyglot?
2021-05-13 14:18:52 moon-child nice
2021-05-13 14:19:33 FUZxxl it's called Mecrisp Quintus if you want to check it out
2021-05-13 14:19:41 FUZxxl RISC-V is basically a re-skinned MIPS, so it's fairly doable
2021-05-13 14:19:50 FUZxxl still impressive tho
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2021-05-13 14:57:05 auxin I recently put a rpi to good use and have it creating a wireless network, which works for other devices fine, but my freebsd system drops the connection way too frequently, why might this happen, how can I avoid future instances of it?
2021-05-13 15:00:30 epony FUZxxl, sounds interesting.. I recall some FreeBSD dev put Forth in the boot loader too
2021-05-13 15:01:13 sig12 ok finally got this bluetooth figured out. got it working on everything. Just figured out the wireless crusher headset issue. I can now run sound to my wireless headphones and laptop speakers at the same time. headset playing music and chromium playing youtube.
2021-05-13 15:01:39 mzar nice
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2021-05-13 15:01:57 mzar are you able to adjust volume ?
2021-05-13 15:03:11 sig12 yes
2021-05-13 15:03:41 sig12 I can adjust the laptop sound with mixer and wireless headset
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2021-05-13 15:05:00 sig12 laptop speakers are /dev/dsp0 and headset is /dev/dsp1
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2021-05-13 15:06:41 sig12 I was able to figure out soundbars and other bluetooth devices but could not get bt headphones figured out until today.
2021-05-13 15:07:19 mzar what was the culprit ?
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2021-05-13 15:10:22 sig12 mzar: pcm0 was enumerated before pcm1
2021-05-13 15:10:43 FUZxxl epony: yeah
2021-05-13 15:10:53 FUZxxl epony: this Forth system is pretty cool though
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2021-05-13 15:11:02 FUZxxl It has an optimising compiler that generates native code
2021-05-13 15:11:07 sig12 because it is a integrated sound. had to do: sysctl hw.snd.default=1
2021-05-13 15:11:09 FUZxxl so the performance is comparable to that of C code
2021-05-13 15:11:39 sig12 need to make a Qt gui for this bluetooth stuff.
2021-05-13 15:12:07 sig12 mzar: I made some notes if you want to see them.
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2021-05-13 15:14:14 mzar nice, if you can share
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2021-05-13 15:17:51 sig12 mzar: I dcc'd it
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2021-05-13 15:18:29 mzar cool
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2021-05-13 15:19:32 auxin I have no idea how to determine why the wireless drops so frequently.
2021-05-13 15:20:43 sig12 mzar: https://pastebin.com/4PcwwJ7X
2021-05-13 15:20:44 VimDiesel Title: #IMPORTANT: It is important that "sudo service bluetooth start ubt0#Follow t - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2021-05-13 15:20:53 sig12 auxin: what wifi driver and card?
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2021-05-13 15:21:55 mzar sig12: thanks
2021-05-13 15:22:01 auxin sig12, I'm not sure, It's a pci card, I'll look into it.
2021-05-13 15:22:08 sig12 dmesg
2021-05-13 15:23:07 auxin sig12: it's a Qualcomm Atheros AR5418 Wireless Network Adapter
2021-05-13 15:23:23 auxin it doesn't usually have any intermittant connection issues.
2021-05-13 15:23:35 auxin If I connect it to the main wifi, it's fine.
2021-05-13 15:23:49 auxin should I attempt to use a different band with the wireless network?
2021-05-13 15:24:11 sig12 auxin: the one you have issues with, is it a 5G connection or a 2.4Ghz connection?
2021-05-13 15:24:26 auxin I believe it's 5ghz
2021-05-13 15:24:48 auxin no 2.4GHz BG ap
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2021-05-13 15:26:17 sig12 auxin: I have issues with this wifi usb adapter running on 5G
2021-05-13 15:26:40 auxin I switched it to channel 1
2021-05-13 15:26:51 auxin we will see.
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2021-05-13 15:28:42 moon-child at the tty login, if I enter more than 30 characters and then press C-u, only the first 30 are erased
2021-05-13 15:28:44 moon-child can anyone repro?
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2021-05-13 15:29:13 sig12 moon-child: one sec
2021-05-13 15:30:02 sig12 moon-child: all delete for me
2021-05-13 15:31:45 moon-child huh
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2021-05-13 17:21:02 mtu devel/readline-8.1.0_1 fails to patch ...? this known?
2021-05-13 17:21:16 mtu (this is latest ports tree on 13.0 w/ poudriere)
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2021-05-13 17:24:04 xtao it did on mine
2021-05-13 17:24:31 mtu that's weird. this is as vanilla as it gets ...
2021-05-13 17:24:41 xtao same setup, 13.0-RELEASE and poudriere
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2021-05-13 17:25:33 mtu xtao: could you just update your portstree and "poudriere testport devel/readline"?
2021-05-13 17:26:29 mtu maybe i'm suffering from artifacts left by some git f*ckery about branches *sigh* gonna re-clone the ports tree
2021-05-13 17:26:50 xtao ===> Patching for readline-8.1.0_1
2021-05-13 17:26:53 xtao ===> Applying FreeBSD patches for readline-8.1.0_1 from /usr/ports/devel/readline/files
2021-05-13 17:26:56 xtao no errors
2021-05-13 17:27:01 mtu thanks :)
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2021-05-13 17:32:49 mtu xtao: yep, problem's gone after re-cloning the ports tree
2021-05-13 17:33:07 mtu "git hates you" was the wisest thing i read in a long time ... *sigh
2021-05-13 17:34:01 xtao https://xkcd.com/1597/
2021-05-13 17:34:02 VimDiesel Title: xkcd: Git (at xkcd.com)
2021-05-13 17:35:14 mtu accurate as always
2021-05-13 17:36:16 mtu just think of branches as function sets on n-dimensional hilbert spaces
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2021-05-13 17:50:32 javashin hi
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2021-05-13 17:51:09 javashin where is the link to the linux containers to be used on linuxator ?
2021-05-13 17:51:51 javashin please share it , someone give it to me before , with all the distros
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2021-05-13 17:54:22 javashin this channel is not logged
2021-05-13 17:54:26 javashin :|
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2021-05-13 17:56:55 meena javashin: you mean https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails ?
2021-05-13 17:56:56 VimDiesel Title: LinuxJails - FreeBSD Wiki (at wiki.freebsd.org)
2021-05-13 17:57:44 javashin yeah , but
2021-05-13 17:59:40 javashin i need rootfs's
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2021-05-13 18:06:52 jnewt can someone help me get my printcap file sorted to add an additional network printer? https://bpa.st/FXVA is the file as it sits. both are zebra label printers. lp is local and prints fine. i'm trying to add lr a remote network printer. i get a warning during chkprintcap saying that it found 2 entries but only found 1 queues to process. and when i run lpr -P lr ./myzpl files it says lr is an unknown printer (works fine with lp)
2021-05-13 18:06:53 VimDiesel Title: View paste FXVA (at bpa.st)
2021-05-13 18:07:37 jnewt I cannot seem to understand how to apply the handbook information. can tell you what each thing means, but not what is actually needed to accomplish my task.
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2021-05-13 18:14:25 kiwiirc is there any way to lock a terminal (lock) and put a system to sleep (acpiconf -s 3) at the same time so when the system resumes from sleep, a pw will be required to do anything with the system?
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2021-05-13 18:17:22 kiwiirc `lock -np && acpiconf -s 3` obviously doesn't work
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2021-05-13 18:28:06 sig12 window managers do that kiwiirc
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2021-05-13 18:28:58 sig12 I wonder if you could see how they do it
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2021-05-13 18:35:04 kiwiirc ya but it's not secure. i use i3 and i can do i3lock && acpiconf -s 3, and that seems to work but not really because you can just switch ttys and bypass the pw entry
2021-05-13 18:35:22 kiwiirc if you switch back to the tty that launched x
2021-05-13 18:35:29 kiwiirc know what i mean?
2021-05-13 18:35:44 sig12 gotcha
2021-05-13 18:35:57 sig12 I'm sure someone has done this that uses i3
2021-05-13 18:36:09 sig12 endless scripts out there
2021-05-13 18:36:38 kiwiirc 'k'
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2021-05-15 11:04:07 kiwiirc no taking the pidfile stuff out was wrong i think. when i put it back in and looked in the pid files that were created, their proc numbers matched what ps -aux shows for Xorg and xinit
2021-05-15 11:04:42 kiwiirc i think i need to add procname so it can correlate pid with name
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2021-05-15 11:13:37 kiwiirc ya that was it
2021-05-15 11:13:55 kiwiirc i added procname which is the path to xinit, and now i can onestatus and onerestart etc
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2021-05-15 11:26:30 kiwiirc https://termbin.com/ij5c how can i use the commented out task line for my rc script? it uses an env var my user has set that i could use before i switched from su to daemon.
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2021-05-15 11:33:31 sig_9 am I doing something wrong with freebsd cups? after installing cups and adding cupsd_enable="YES" I still cannot get a gui at localhost:631
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2021-05-15 11:34:38 sig_9 this is on my raspberry pi with freebsd
2021-05-15 11:34:45 sig_9 maybe cups server isn't working?
2021-05-15 11:36:09 CosmicDJ sig_9: service cupsd status
2021-05-15 11:36:34 sig_9 yes it is
2021-05-15 11:37:25 CosmicDJ sig_9: it's what?
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2021-05-15 11:37:50 sig_9 it is running
2021-05-15 11:38:29 sig_9 apache doesn't have to be running no?
2021-05-15 11:38:30 CosmicDJ sig_9: netstat -anf inet | grep 631
2021-05-15 11:39:07 CosmicDJ cups has a built-in webserver
2021-05-15 11:39:12 sig_9 udp4 0 0 *.631 *.*
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2021-05-15 11:39:46 sig_9 is there a way to purge cups and reinstall it with all config files?
2021-05-15 11:39:54 sig_9 I just need to start clean
2021-05-15 11:40:16 sig_9 but I can't access the other fbsd laptop running cups as well.
2021-05-15 11:40:30 CosmicDJ sig_9: udp? which proc is running on that port? sockstat -4 | grep 631
2021-05-15 11:40:31 sig_9 but I can at least get a gui on localhost:631
2021-05-15 11:41:20 sig_9 cups-brows 1213 4 udp4 *:631
2021-05-15 11:41:57 CosmicDJ sig_9: nc -vz localhost 631 shows what?
2021-05-15 11:42:30 sig_9 # Log general information in error_log - change "info" to "debug" for
2021-05-15 11:42:32 sig_9 # troubleshooting...
2021-05-15 11:42:33 sig_9 LogLevel info
2021-05-15 11:42:35 sig_9 # Administrator user group...
2021-05-15 11:42:36 sig_9 SystemGroup wheel
2021-05-15 11:42:38 sig_9 # Listen for connections on Port 631.
2021-05-15 11:42:39 sig_9 Port 631
2021-05-15 11:42:41 sig_9 #Listen localhost:631
2021-05-15 11:42:42 sig_9 Listen /var/run/cups.sock
2021-05-15 11:42:44 sig_9 # Show shared printers on the local network.
2021-05-15 11:42:45 sig_9 Browsing On
2021-05-15 11:42:47 sig_9 BrowseOrder allow,deny
2021-05-15 11:42:48 sig_9 #BrowseAllow @LOCAL
2021-05-15 11:42:50 sig_9 BrowseAllow 192.168.1.* # change to local LAN settings
2021-05-15 11:42:51 sig_9 BrowseAddress 192.168.1.* # change to local LAN settings
2021-05-15 11:42:53 sig_9 # Default authentication type, when authentication is required...
2021-05-15 11:42:54 sig_9 DefaultAuthType Basic
2021-05-15 11:42:56 sig_9 DefaultEncryption Never # comment this line to allow encryption
2021-05-15 11:42:57 sig_9 # Allow access to the server from any machine on the LAN
2021-05-15 11:42:59 sig_9 <Location />
2021-05-15 11:43:00 sig_9 Order allow,deny
2021-05-15 11:43:02 sig_9 #Allow localhost
2021-05-15 11:43:03 sig_9 Allow 192.168.1.* # change to local LAN settings
2021-05-15 11:43:05 sig_9 </Location>
2021-05-15 11:43:06 sig_9 # Allow access to the admin pages from any machine on the LAN
2021-05-15 11:43:08 sig_9 <Location /admin>
2021-05-15 11:43:09 sig_9 #Encryption Required
2021-05-15 11:43:11 sig_9 Order allow,deny
2021-05-15 11:43:12 sig_9 #Allow localhost
2021-05-15 11:43:14 sig_9 Allow 192.168.1.* # change to local LAN settings
2021-05-15 11:43:15 sig_9 </Location>
2021-05-15 11:43:16 V_PauAmma_V Please don't paste in channel. See /topic.
2021-05-15 11:43:17 sig_9 # Allow access to configuration files from any machine on the LAN
2021-05-15 11:43:18 sig_9 <Location /admin/conf>
2021-05-15 11:43:20 sig_9 AuthType Basic
2021-05-15 11:43:21 sig_9 Require user @SYSTEM
2021-05-15 11:43:23 sig_9 Order allow,deny
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2021-05-15 11:44:15 kiwiirc damn
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2021-05-15 11:46:54 Sylhouette sig_9 please use https://bsd.to to paste the output of your commands.
2021-05-15 11:46:55 VimDiesel Title: dpaste (at bsd.to)
2021-05-15 11:48:04 mzar hm... he should have pasted it rather to #apache
2021-05-15 11:49:56 kiwiirc how can daemon's target user's env be used to run daemon's task? i wanna use the commented out task line in https://termbin.com/ij5c for my rc script. it uses an env var my user has set that i could use before i switched from su to daemon.
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2021-05-15 11:52:22 RhodiumToad you should probably use su -l as well as daemon
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2021-05-15 11:52:47 kiwiirc hm i tried that lemme paste it
2021-05-15 11:52:58 RhodiumToad env -U username sets the environment from login.conf the way that su -l does, but it doesn't do setlogin or other administrativia
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2021-05-15 11:56:24 kiwiirc https://termbin.com/vexi that's how i tried to use su and daemon together but xinit still failed on /X11/xinitrc (the env var obviously was blank)
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2021-05-15 11:56:50 kiwiirc ill try env
2021-05-15 11:59:24 kiwiirc how should env be added in? task="env -U kiwiirc 'xinit $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/X11/xinitrc vt9'" doesn't work
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2021-05-15 12:18:02 RhodiumToad your problem there is that the task="..." line doesn't do what you think
2021-05-15 12:18:19 RhodiumToad the ' are not special inside "...", so the $var gets expanded too soon
2021-05-15 12:18:52 kiwiirc hm
2021-05-15 12:18:56 RhodiumToad you need task='su -l kiwiirc -c '\''xinit $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/X11/xinitrc vt9'\'''
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2021-05-15 12:19:27 kiwiirc oh escape
2021-05-15 12:19:28 RhodiumToad (the sequence '\'' is one of the two ways to escape ' within '...', the other is '"'"'
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2021-05-15 12:19:43 kiwiirc makse sense
2021-05-15 12:20:28 RhodiumToad and as I said, env doesn't do everything that su -l does
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2021-05-15 12:26:08 kiwiirc i tried exactly task='su -l kiwiirc -c '\''xinit $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/X11/xinitrc vt9'\''' but it failed that "/X11/xinitrc: not found" so the env var must still be coming through blank
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2021-05-15 12:36:57 RhodiumToad no
2021-05-15 12:37:03 RhodiumToad how was $task then used?
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2021-05-15 12:42:35 kiwiirc well just like it is in https://termbin.com/vexi i only changed task line
2021-05-15 12:42:47 kiwiirc does it need another layer of quotes somewhere?
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2021-05-15 12:53:46 kiwiirc https://termbin.com/8pdi is the line as it gets assembled i think. gonna try it via command line until i get it working then put it back into the rc script
2021-05-15 12:53:56 kiwiirc seems like it needs quoting
2021-05-15 12:54:07 RhodiumToad oh
2021-05-15 12:54:12 RhodiumToad you mistyped I think
2021-05-15 12:54:20 RhodiumToad the '\'' is four characters
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2021-05-15 12:54:34 kiwiirc ah
2021-05-15 12:54:36 RhodiumToad i.e. ' \ ' ' (three single quotes and a backslash)
2021-05-15 12:54:44 RhodiumToad you had a double quote instead
2021-05-15 12:57:50 kiwiirc yep now it runs! but procname needs to be fixed because it can't service onestop anymore
2021-05-15 12:58:15 kiwiirc instead of changing procname to add in the su -l part, can i set a more friendly name and use that for procname too?
2021-05-15 12:58:22 kiwiirc gonna try that
2021-05-15 12:58:27 RhodiumToad you have a pidfile now so it shouldn't need a procname
2021-05-15 12:59:24 kiwiirc when i tried pidfile only before it didn't 'find' that it was running. i had to add procname
2021-05-15 12:59:39 kiwiirc when i searched for info it was something about matching both the pid and the name
2021-05-15 12:59:57 kiwiirc because another service could have started with that same pid so it'd be a false match unless it checks name too?
2021-05-15 13:02:21 kiwiirc https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/rc-d-doesnt-see-my-pidfile.69141/#post-413537
2021-05-15 13:02:22 VimDiesel Title: rc.d doesn't see my pidfile | The FreeBSD Forums (at forums.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-15 13:16:10 kiwiirc if i set pidfile in the rc script, should that be the pidfile of daemon or the pidfile of what i have daemon run?
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2021-05-15 13:25:14 kiwiirc hm weird. when i changed procname to "su", onestop stopped complaining about myscript not running, but now it says waiting for pids and has the right pid but keeps repeating it forever
2021-05-15 13:25:18 kiwiirc doesn't actually terminate
2021-05-15 13:26:49 RhodiumToad su probably doesn't forward any signals
2021-05-15 13:27:57 kiwiirc how can i make this work then?
2021-05-15 13:29:04 kiwiirc maybe switch to sudo?
2021-05-15 13:32:22 kiwiirc or maybe switch the order around so the script command is su and it runs daemon with my task?
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2021-05-15 13:48:34 kiwiirc k i switched it around where rc command is su and it runs daemon + xinit, but i get permission denied on the pidfile
2021-05-15 13:49:02 kiwiirc dunno how to get it working
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2021-05-15 14:48:55 sunrunner20 how much higher can I update iocage jails than the base OS?
2021-05-15 14:49:09 sunrunner20 base is 11.3 P7
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2021-05-15 14:51:04 mzar it's risky to update jails higher than the base
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2021-05-15 14:53:55 Sylhouette On my FreeBSD 13-STABLE i see a very slow pkg version -vL=
2021-05-15 14:54:17 Sylhouette On my 13.0-RELEASE it is almost instant.
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2021-05-15 14:58:39 Sylhouette /usr/bin/time pkg version on 13-RELEASE is 0.11 real 0.00 user 0.10 sys on the stable machine 33.97 real 17.33 user 7.27 sys
2021-05-15 15:00:55 mzar Sylhouette: you need index
2021-05-15 15:01:13 mzar cd /usr/ports && make fetchindex
2021-05-15 15:01:53 Sylhouette Ah is that what is missing when doing the portstree using git!
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2021-05-15 15:02:31 mzar cd /usr/ports ; gitup ports && make fetchindex
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2021-05-15 15:03:22 Sylhouette Thanks, i thought it was something after the switch to git from portsnap. Thank you very much.
2021-05-15 15:03:47 mzar portsnap should fetch
2021-05-15 15:04:02 mzar and portsnap still works
2021-05-15 15:04:48 mzar portsnap provides a bit delayed ports tree snapshot but probably works faster than gitup
2021-05-15 15:05:58 Sylhouette Yes it does now indeed, but i went to git on that stable machine. And at the time portsnap was not updating, so i thought, well lets do git for ports as well. I just did the fetchindex and it is fast again.
2021-05-15 15:07:01 mzar same here, I am not building portsnap on STABLE anymore
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2021-05-15 15:07:48 mzar Sylhouette: you can also make own index "make index"
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2021-05-15 15:13:10 kiwiirc im making an rc script that daemonizes my x session. (xinit $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/X11/xinitrc vt9) i tried using daemon -u kiwiirc, but that doesn't find $XDG_CONFIG_HOME which defined in my user's .login_conf. i can't wrap the xinit with a su -l either, because su doesn't pass signals through so service onestop won't work
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2021-05-15 15:14:18 Sylhouette mzar: thanks, time to make it a oneliner!
2021-05-15 15:15:46 mzar ?
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2021-05-15 15:22:59 Sylhouette an alias, create the command portsup that does the git part and the fetchindex. ;-)
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2021-05-15 18:16:11 RhodiumToad kiwiirc: your best bet is to stuck with su, but possibly provide your own stop_cmd in the script
2021-05-15 18:16:19 RhodiumToad *stick
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2021-05-15 18:31:53 crb graphics card prices are *insane* these days
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2021-05-15 18:36:10 kiwiirc globalism ftl
2021-05-15 18:36:46 kiwiirc RhodiumToad ok ill do that. good workaround. seems like an oversight in daemon that it can't get su -l like behavior from -u no?
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2021-05-15 19:00:28 kiwiirc what's the right way to make a custom stop_cmd? would i use the pidfile or something else?
2021-05-15 19:00:47 kiwiirc my current hack is pkill Xorg :P
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2021-05-15 19:04:22 RhodiumToad you could try killing the process group rather than just the single process.
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2021-05-15 19:10:31 kiwiirc what should i search for to learn about process groups?
2021-05-15 19:10:38 kiwiirc daemon man page didn't have anything
2021-05-15 19:11:49 RhodiumToad one of daemon's jobs is to put itself into a new session, which also implies a new process group
2021-05-15 19:12:00 RhodiumToad man setsid and man setpgrp, also man kill
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2021-05-15 19:12:40 RhodiumToad ps axj will list running processes with their pgrps
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2021-05-15 19:14:09 RhodiumToad note that the pgid of a new pgrp created by daemon will always be the same as the pid
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2021-05-15 19:53:21 dadv kiwiirc: can you elaborate what are trying to achive by "daemonizing" user X session?
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2021-05-15 19:55:00 dadv and why don't you use standard tools like X display manager?
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2021-05-15 19:56:03 dadv with XDMCP etc.
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2021-05-15 20:58:25 kiwiirc dadv i have to start x session in bg so i can logout of my tty so when im using x session i can lock it with i3lock and have my workstation actually locked
2021-05-15 20:58:46 kiwiirc otherwise all you gotta do to bypass i3lock is switch to tty that started x, kill process and be in my account
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2021-05-15 21:03:59 _xor Is the Z suffix required or optional in an ISO 8601 formatted string?
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2021-05-15 21:05:03 _xor Oh wait, I think I just stumbled into it. It's required I'm guessing by this grammar.
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2021-05-15 21:35:40 echoSMILE Its ok to use zfs + FDE with grub(not 2) ?
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2021-05-15 21:46:01 koobs ceri: Yep, https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Cloaks#Instructions_for_requesting_a_cloak in #freebsd-ops, thanks :)
2021-05-15 21:46:02 VimDiesel Title: IRC/Cloaks - FreeBSD Wiki (at wiki.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-15 21:54:09 koobs _xor: Z means UTC, not required for anything else
2021-05-15 21:54:16 koobs _xor: from my understanding
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2021-05-15 21:54:50 koobs _xor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601#Time_zone_designators
2021-05-15 21:54:51 VimDiesel Title: ISO 8601 - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-05-15 21:55:13 koobs eiter Z or +/-hh[:mm]
2021-05-15 21:55:33 koobs "If the time is in UTC, add a Z directly after the time without a space. Z is the zone designator for the zero UTC offset."
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2021-05-15 22:12:37 RhodiumToad kiwiirc: you know that's not an issue if you're using a display manager, right? in that case there would be no logged-in session to switch to
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2021-05-15 22:18:38 wcarson are TEST_DEPENDS in ports optional?
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2021-05-15 22:19:48 wcarson it seems something has changed between now and May 6th when i last built my ports, and now mariadb105-server requires cmake, which requires py-sphinx, which requires py-requests, which requires urllib3, which has a lot of TEST_DEPENDS that seem to then require py-numpy, which requires gcc10... which i'd like to avoid.
2021-05-15 22:20:20 RhodiumToad TEST_DEPENDS aren't usually required, depends what you're doing
2021-05-15 22:20:38 RhodiumToad fetch-recursive and config-recursive will try and fetch or configure them which is a nuisance
2021-05-15 22:20:59 RhodiumToad putting TEST_DEPENDS="" on your make command line is a convenient way to disable that
2021-05-15 22:21:00 wcarson but perhaps they aren't built?
2021-05-15 22:21:25 RhodiumToad they won't be built unless you actually try and test the port
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2021-05-15 22:21:51 wcarson hmm, ok, i was bailing at the config-recurse
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2021-05-15 22:22:16 wcarson i'll define the options and see if it tries to build.. my build system is slow, so building gcc would be annoying
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2021-05-15 22:22:40 RhodiumToad config-recursive is broken anyway
2021-05-15 22:23:00 wcarson well, it was a poudriere-options, i assume it was config-recursive
2021-05-15 22:23:03 RhodiumToad it decides what to recurse into before actually processing any options, so it won't get everything
2021-05-15 22:23:21 RhodiumToad yeah, poudriere-options is broken the same way because that's what it does
2021-05-15 22:23:34 kiwiirc RhodiumToad ya but i dont wanna use a dm
2021-05-15 22:23:40 wcarson ok, fingers crossed i didn't just add several hours to my build time :D
2021-05-15 22:23:44 kiwiirc just like using minimal stuff
2021-05-15 22:24:09 RhodiumToad wcarson: if you must do config-recursive or poudriere-testport you may need to run it multiple times
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2021-05-15 22:24:26 RhodiumToad (since if you add any option that pulls in dependencies, those won't have been configured)
2021-05-15 22:24:35 wcarson i see
2021-05-15 22:25:37 * RhodiumToad prefers to put all options into make.conf
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2021-05-15 22:50:54 angry_vincent RhodiumToad: can you paste it, if not a secret? :)
2021-05-15 22:51:05 RhodiumToad what, the make.conf?
2021-05-15 22:51:16 angry_vincent yes.
2021-05-15 22:51:38 RhodiumToad it's actually several make.conf files, per arch etc.
2021-05-15 22:52:07 RhodiumToad options are set by using category_portname_SET+=WHATEVER or category_portname_UNSET+=WHATEVER
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2021-05-15 22:53:20 RhodiumToad the actual option settings are not very interesting
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2021-05-15 22:55:59 angry_vincent oh, ok
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2021-05-15 23:06:52 wcarson RhodiumToad: cool, you were right! it's not building gcc afterall. whew
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2021-05-15 23:06:59 wcarson thanks for teaching me something today :)
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2021-05-15 23:10:47 RhodiumToad the extent of TEST_DEPENDS can be quite staggering
2021-05-15 23:12:17 RhodiumToad I started adding TEST_DEPENDS="" to invocations of fetch-recursive when I noticed some port was pulling in gdal as a test dependency
2021-05-15 23:12:29 RhodiumToad which pulls in a whole lot of GIS data
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2021-05-15 23:17:16 RhodiumToad get this:
2021-05-15 23:17:52 RhodiumToad audio/lv2 (an audio plugin interface) pulls in textproc/py-rdflib
2021-05-15 23:18:13 RhodiumToad py-rdflib has a test depend on math/py-networkx
2021-05-15 23:19:06 RhodiumToad py-networkx depends on GDAL by default ("Support of raster geospatial data formats") which pulls in graphics/py-gdal
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2021-05-15 23:19:50 RhodiumToad which pulls in graphics/gdal
2021-05-15 23:22:02 RhodiumToad which has a total of 360 dependencies, ranging from cairo to nss to llvm to perl to postgresql-client
2021-05-15 23:22:14 ghoti Well, what if your audio plugin needs to support A-57? C'mon.
2021-05-15 23:22:47 ghoti But if ever there was an argument for {ports cleanup || binary packages}, this is it.
2021-05-15 23:23:32 RhodiumToad well in this case it's an argument for using TEST_DEPENDS="" when doing fetch-recursive
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2021-05-16 08:07:13 echoSMILE Booting FreeBSD process from grub seems to use only a small part of the screen in a way is not possible to read the install options. Is there anything I need to set or load like a module before boot ?
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2021-05-16 08:40:14 Ampera I seem to be having an issue booting FreeBSD as a xen DomU. The host is also FreeBSD (both 12.2) as a Dom0. Put simply, the boot keeps hanging on waiting for xenbusb_nop_confighook_cb
2021-05-16 08:40:22 Ampera (sorry if that was a repeat message, I couldn't tell if it sent)
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2021-05-16 08:41:39 angry_vincent i wonder i can get size of everything installe by certain pkg/port, i.e list of content and the size of files
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2021-05-16 08:56:41 kiwiirc when i use daemon to launch my x session i open a shell and my pwd is /. i have daemon -u to target my user, any way i can change the pwd to my ~?
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2021-05-16 08:57:03 kiwiirc i can't use su -l with daemon -u because su doesn't pass through stop signals
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2021-05-16 08:59:31 kiwiirc hm i wonder if sudo would work
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2021-05-16 09:16:07 randombit i cannot see 13.0 stable on download page. i swear it was there before
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2021-05-16 09:22:49 randombit anyone knows if there is any, or maybe i was imagining it?
2021-05-16 09:23:15 kiwiirc what do ya mean?
2021-05-16 09:24:19 randombit 13.0 stable. cant see on download page.
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2021-05-16 09:25:05 kiwiirc https://www.freebsd.org/ > 13.0?
2021-05-16 09:25:07 VimDiesel Title: The FreeBSD Project (at www.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-16 09:30:49 kiwiirc when i run '/usr/sbin/daemon -p /var/run/myscript.pid -u kiwiirc -S sudo -u kiwiirc xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/xinitrc vt9' as root syslog shows it fails to run because "user kiwiirc not allowed to execute xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/xinitrc vt9" as if that whole string is the command. how do i make sudo break that up right?
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2021-05-16 10:09:03 TheBeastie kiwiirc: do you have a sudo (or sudoers) group?
2021-05-16 10:10:07 TheBeastie create a group sudo and put kikwiirc in that group (in /etc/group)
2021-05-16 10:10:51 TheBeastie (then you need to create a new session, the old ones don't get the new group)
2021-05-16 10:13:22 -- deflected is now known as nmi
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2021-05-16 10:21:22 kiwiirc i can run xinit as my user so why would i need anything extra in sudo to sudo to my user and run that command?
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2021-05-16 10:55:47 echoSMILE Any idea how to boot FreeBSD from grub command line?
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2021-05-16 10:57:22 echoSMILE After I make "kfreebsd (usb0)/boot/kernel/kernel" and "boot" the video resolution is not properly configurated in a way I cannot read any option to install FreeBSD.
2021-05-16 10:57:35 mzar echoSMILE: do you want to boot from Linux installed grub ?
2021-05-16 10:57:40 mzar or by hand ?
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2021-05-16 10:59:30 echoSMILE mzar: the grub is installed at firmware. So, I think the answer is by hand
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2021-05-16 11:00:01 mzar set kFreeBSD.kern.vty=vt
2021-05-16 11:00:05 mzar set kFreeBSD.hw.vga.textmode="1"
2021-05-16 11:00:08 mzar try this
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2021-05-16 11:00:26 mzar here's my full grub menu --> https://bsd.to/fjNf
2021-05-16 11:00:28 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/fjNf (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-16 11:01:40 mzar probalby loading both zpool cache and opensolaris.ko could be skiped on stable/13, but I am still booting with this
2021-05-16 11:02:08 mzar you can also try this: set kFreeBSD.kern.vty=sc
2021-05-16 11:02:57 echoSMILE mzar: that sets should be made before kfreebsd ... or is indiferent?
2021-05-16 11:03:39 mzar it doesn't matter, I have it in the order pasted
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2021-05-16 11:04:05 mzar to boot from OpenZFS you need rether new grub
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2021-05-16 11:04:58 echoSMILE Well, now if I boot no small area with booting output is showed
2021-05-16 11:05:18 mzar 2 years old or younger grub should be able to access openfzs, there was not problem with older zfs and ufs
2021-05-16 11:05:42 mzar echoSMILE: so does it work ?
2021-05-16 11:06:13 echoSMILE mzar: nop, I just see grub menu with screen freeze
2021-05-16 11:07:07 mzar hm... to boot in verbose mode you probably need kfreebsd /ROOT/default/@/boot/kernel/kernel -v
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2021-05-16 11:08:05 mzar is your grub able to see these modules and kernel ?
2021-05-16 11:08:12 echoSMILE yes
2021-05-16 11:08:23 echoSMILE under (usb0)/ path
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2021-05-16 11:08:40 echoSMILE let me try -v
2021-05-16 11:09:48 echoSMILE no change, the boot process is resized for only 1% of the screen at the top
2021-05-16 11:09:57 echoSMILE *change
2021-05-16 11:10:02 echoSMILE **chance
2021-05-16 11:11:40 mzar so does it boot in this 1% or not ?
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2021-05-16 11:12:25 echoSMILE in that 1% yes, but that is my original problem. Because I cannot read at all.
2021-05-16 11:12:43 mzar so you have problem with resolution
2021-05-16 11:12:58 mzar am I right ?
2021-05-16 11:13:07 echoSMILE yes
2021-05-16 11:14:39 mzar also with kFreeBSD.kern.vty=sc ?
2021-05-16 11:15:49 echoSMILE if I set the kFreeBSD.* settings, the 1% of screen doesn't appear and I only can see the GRUB shell
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2021-05-16 11:17:30 mzar echoSMILE: the default is kFreeBSD.kern.vty=vt, you can try to add kFreeBSD.hw.vga.textmode="1", but letacy sc console is text only and everything should be visibe with set kFreeBSD.kern.vty=sc
2021-05-16 11:17:55 echoSMILE I tried that too.
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2021-05-16 11:19:09 mzar I don't know how to change this resolution, probably this thread might be helpful --> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/changing-screen-resolution.60979/
2021-05-16 11:19:10 VimDiesel Title: Solved - Changing screen resolution | The FreeBSD Forums (at forums.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-16 11:20:02 mzar err, I mean this one --> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/console-resolution-with-vt.69374/
2021-05-16 11:20:03 VimDiesel Title: Console resolution with vt | The FreeBSD Forums (at forums.freebsd.org)
2021-05-16 11:21:43 echoSMILE kFreeBSD. <- this key is for grub ?
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2021-05-16 11:25:15 R2COM I believe that handbook needs to be overhauled and updated, it *really* misses out lots of important key info which turns out to be critical in many realistic situations
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2021-05-16 11:26:35 R2COM words like "makesum" or "pkg-list" do not even EXIST in "handbook"
2021-05-16 11:26:38 R2COM ...
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2021-05-16 11:31:16 echoSMILE mzar: after that setters at grub, the 1% doesn't show and grub is above the installation, Because if I ctrl+alt+del and then enter the system reboots.
2021-05-16 11:31:20 vkarlsen R2COM: Oh? https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/quick-porting/#porting-checksum
2021-05-16 11:31:22 VimDiesel Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 3. Quick Porting (at docs.freebsd.org)
2021-05-16 11:32:43 R2COM hm why i dont see it in pdf
2021-05-16 11:33:08 vkarlsen That I do not know
2021-05-16 11:33:25 R2COM you are showing me different stuff
2021-05-16 11:33:29 R2COM "porters handbook"
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2021-05-16 11:33:37 R2COM i am talking about*handbook*
2021-05-16 11:33:55 R2COM ok so they splitted it
2021-05-16 11:33:59 R2COM and made hadnbook just for that
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2021-05-16 11:42:30 kiwiirc when i run '/usr/sbin/daemon -p /var/run/myscript.pid -u kiwiirc -S sudo -u kiwiirc xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/xinitrc vt9' as root syslog shows it fails to run because "user kiwiirc not allowed to execute xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/xinitrc vt9". but i can run xinit, so why does it need anything special for sudo -u kiwiirc to run it?
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2021-05-16 12:04:19 debdrup why are you running as root, dropping to your user, then substitute-user running as your user?
2021-05-16 12:07:43 mzar echoSMILE: yes, you have to prepend every loader setting wiht set kFreeBSD.
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2021-05-16 12:10:04 kiwiirc im running as root to test because i dont wanna run as my user which might carry env stuff in. this is for an rc script
2021-05-16 12:10:13 kiwiirc so ill use it with service myscript onestart
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2021-05-16 12:12:26 debdrup R2COM: the freebsd documentation project maintains the freebsd handbook, the porters handbook, the developers handbook and the architecture handbook
2021-05-16 12:12:38 R2COM ok got it thanks
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2021-05-16 12:13:02 debdrup they're divided this way because it makes sense to split them apart by subject - if everything was in one book, it'd be too unwieldy
2021-05-16 12:13:41 debdrup i suppose the commiter's guide is technically also a handbook
2021-05-16 12:14:08 ceri kiwiirc: isn't that what the -u argument to darmon achieves though ?
2021-05-16 12:14:13 ceri *daemon
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2021-05-16 12:15:48 debdrup R2COM: oh, and lest i forget, the freebsd documentation primer, which is also a handbook
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2021-05-16 12:17:05 debdrup we got a lot of handbooks, as it turns out :)
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2021-05-16 12:31:07 echoSMILE mzar: no luck.
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2021-05-16 12:43:35 R2COM so I installed some stuff, then decided to uninstall it, but when doing "pkg autoremove" it suspiciously lists MORE packages than previous system used
2021-05-16 12:43:48 R2COM and I am kinda afraid to remove something what might be used by something else
2021-05-16 12:43:51 R2COM is there such danger?
2021-05-16 12:44:04 R2COM trying to understand mechanics of "pkg autoremove"
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2021-05-16 12:44:19 R2COM is it based on latest installation or overall it checks system and removes exactly what is NOT used?
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2021-05-16 13:01:41 kiwiirc ceri but when i use daemon to start my x session in an rc script, the x session starts up and i open a bash term and my path is /, not ~ like it should be
2021-05-16 13:02:28 zi kiwiirc: probably need to set HOME and the other usual envvars
2021-05-16 13:02:38 kiwiirc set where?
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2021-05-16 13:02:58 kiwiirc why doesn't daemon chdir to what you give it for -u?
2021-05-16 13:02:59 zi in the rc script
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2021-05-16 13:03:36 zi i think by default it uses whatever directory you are in when you launch it
2021-05-16 13:03:41 zi -c forces it to /
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2021-05-16 13:04:18 kiwiirc ya that doesn't help
2021-05-16 13:04:18 zi i think you are likely creating more problems than you are solving by trying to use rc for this
2021-05-16 13:04:30 kiwiirc why?
2021-05-16 13:04:32 zi it'd probably be a lot simpler/direct to use a crontab with @reboot
2021-05-16 13:04:54 zi why? because you've been working on this for days with problem after problem :)
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2021-05-16 13:05:33 kiwiirc ya and working through each of them. using su and daemon together was working perfectly but i couldn't stop it because stop signals werent being passed through
2021-05-16 13:05:51 kiwiirc i guess i could keep that working start method then just use a custom stop method
2021-05-16 13:06:04 kiwiirc pkill Xorg till i find something better
2021-05-16 13:06:41 zi i mean, do you really need to restart X often?
2021-05-16 13:06:59 kiwiirc what?
2021-05-16 13:07:05 zi you can probably fix the HOME issue by setting your usual envvars in the rc script as well as cd $HOME before launching
2021-05-16 13:07:05 dstolfa kiwiirc: why don't you just do https://paste.debian.net/1197789/
2021-05-16 13:07:07 VimDiesel Title: debian Pastezone (at paste.debian.net)
2021-05-16 13:07:08 dstolfa instead of using the init system
2021-05-16 13:07:10 dstolfa init is not meant to startx
2021-05-16 13:07:14 dstolfa not in this sense, anyway
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2021-05-16 13:07:39 kiwiirc i dont use startx
2021-05-16 13:07:56 dstolfa then why not just use lightdm or something
2021-05-16 13:08:00 dstolfa instead of overcomplicating things with rc
2021-05-16 13:08:17 kiwiirc dont wanna use a dm
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2021-05-16 13:08:25 dstolfa this makes very, very little sense
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2021-05-16 13:08:37 dstolfa why do you need init to start your x11 session
2021-05-16 13:08:39 zi dstolfa: yea it probably isnt worth arguing over. im with you
2021-05-16 13:08:43 kiwiirc why? it's nice to be able to start and stop x when i want
2021-05-16 13:08:48 kiwiirc and have it run backgrounded
2021-05-16 13:08:53 zi ctrl-alt-backspace to stop
2021-05-16 13:08:59 zi DONE AND DONE
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2021-05-16 13:09:08 ceri or alt-f1 to just use a console...
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2021-05-16 13:29:45 hendursaga Quick question, is there any major gotchas between OpenBSD's doas and FreeBSD's port of it, on the interface level?
2021-05-16 13:30:45 kiwiirc iirc doas doesn't have any options to load up a target user's full env
2021-05-16 13:30:57 kiwiirc had to revert to using sudo
2021-05-16 13:31:08 kiwiirc oh sorry read that as sudo vs doas :)
2021-05-16 13:31:57 hendursaga Haha no, I know doas is more simple and clean
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2021-05-16 13:35:26 kiwiirc any way to set an env var like in `daemon -p /var/run/myscript.pid -u kiwiirc -S PWD=/home/kiwiirc xinit /home/kiwiirc/.config/X11/xinitrc vt9`? i need PWD so when i start a shell it doesn't start at /
2021-05-16 13:36:38 ceri kiwiirc: any reason you can't just put "cd" in your shell's rc file?
2021-05-16 13:36:52 kiwiirc i have that but it's not working for some reason
2021-05-16 13:37:04 kiwiirc my `env` looks as expected tho so dunno why
2021-05-16 13:37:27 ceri ah ok - so it's not making a login shell?
2021-05-16 13:37:42 kiwiirc dunno?
2021-05-16 13:37:52 kiwiirc what's a login shell?
2021-05-16 13:38:10 ceri if your .rc is not being parsed then that will be why
2021-05-16 13:38:15 kiwiirc when i run that command x starts and i can start a bash shell
2021-05-16 13:38:43 ceri put a cd in your .profile instead?
2021-05-16 13:38:46 kiwiirc it has to be parsed because i start i3 in there and i3 definitely runs
2021-05-16 13:38:52 kiwiirc ill try that
2021-05-16 13:39:55 kiwiirc initial pwd is still /
2021-05-16 13:40:30 ceri hrm.
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2021-05-16 13:40:58 ceri you can use /usr/bin/env in that command line mebbe
2021-05-16 13:41:29 ceri but otherwise i really think you should just use startx :D
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2021-05-16 13:43:17 zi as mentioned before, HOME probably isnt set
2021-05-16 13:43:54 kiwiirc HOME is set in env
2021-05-16 13:43:58 petrj $HOME is 0xfffffffffffffull
2021-05-16 13:46:26 zi if it's set, then 'cd' would work fine. id double check it
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2021-05-16 13:46:35 zi but seriously, you are just making problems for yourself with this approach
2021-05-16 13:47:15 kiwiirc echo $HOME says what it should
2021-05-16 13:47:51 kiwiirc zi the reason i want to run xinit backgrounded is so i can logout of the term then just have x logged in
2021-05-16 13:48:51 kiwiirc how would you do that?
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2021-05-16 13:50:33 zi @reboot screen -dm startx
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2021-05-16 13:50:46 zi @reboot daemon startx
2021-05-16 13:51:00 zi stuff in crontab, be done with it
2021-05-16 13:52:33 kiwiirc got it working by putting export HOME="/home/kiwiirc" in the rc script!
2021-05-16 13:52:43 kiwiirc wohoo
2021-05-16 13:53:28 zi i do believe i said that about an hour ago
2021-05-16 13:53:30 zi JUST SAYIN
2021-05-16 13:54:31 kiwiirc onestart/onestop/onerestart/onestatus all work now
2021-05-16 13:55:10 kiwiirc thanks RhodiumToad
2021-05-16 13:57:30 ceri ..
2021-05-16 13:57:58 pstef_ \/
2021-05-16 13:58:01 petrj i need a drink
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2021-05-16 15:23:02 Han Can somebody check if the latest version of git@github.com:hboetes/mg.git builds OK on FreeBSD?
2021-05-16 15:23:14 Han And works of course.
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2021-05-16 15:26:42 mzar Han: what prevents you from cheking it ?
2021-05-16 15:26:58 Han I don't have FreeBSD installed.
2021-05-16 15:27:11 mzar that's sad story then
2021-05-16 15:27:21 Han Why would that be?
2021-05-16 15:28:00 mzar since you are not able to test if it builds and runs
2021-05-16 15:28:59 Han I can, just not on FreeBSD. Everywhere I can install and test it, it works so far.
2021-05-16 15:34:45 mzar Han: it doesn't buidl
2021-05-16 15:34:47 mzar build
2021-05-16 15:35:52 mzar Han: https://bsd.to/FNsu
2021-05-16 15:35:53 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/FNsu (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-16 15:35:59 mzar shoud I use gmake ?
2021-05-16 15:36:24 mzar what dependecies should I install to build it ? probably ncurses
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2021-05-16 15:36:43 Han mzar, appologies, yes please gmake
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2021-05-16 15:37:52 Han ncurses is not installed by default? Yes, that's required.
2021-05-16 15:39:22 mzar I have installed it, but it;s not found
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2021-05-16 15:40:11 mtu oooooh boy. i migrated all my media into a zpool of many sub-datasets. when trying to share that pool through zfs, i ran straight into datsets-are-filesystems hell. thing is: this is sharing from FreeBSD to Linux, so neither autofs nor crossmnt will work well AFAIK
2021-05-16 15:40:16 mtu what can i do?
2021-05-16 15:41:44 mzar mtu: NFS sharing ?
2021-05-16 15:42:03 mtu oh, yeah, that's what i'm trying to do
2021-05-16 15:42:14 RhodiumToad ncurses is installed by default
2021-05-16 15:42:22 Han ok, cheers
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2021-05-16 15:44:39 Han mzar, one more question, do you have /usr/include/util.h or /usr/include/pty.h?
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2021-05-16 15:47:50 mzar Han: neither one, I have a bunch of utlil.h in /usr/local/include
2021-05-16 15:48:38 mzar for example event2/util.h, ruby-2.7/ruby/util.h and 10 more
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2021-05-16 15:50:03 Han OK, lot's of programs have a util.h, but that's not what I meant. Thanks, I'll have to wait for a proper bug report, or install a VM...
2021-05-16 15:50:52 Han Have a nice evening.
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2021-05-16 15:53:35 mzar TBH I really doubt in submitting any bug reports about this issue
2021-05-16 15:56:50 kfv Well... he just quit. But indeed, not having a general util.h under include directory not only doesn't seem wrong, but it seems completely logical. What utilities header file would that be for?
2021-05-16 15:57:02 kfv What a quick quit :-/
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2021-05-16 15:58:08 RhodiumToad neither util.h nor pty.h are in the SUS headers spec, and their names are really generic
2021-05-16 15:58:28 kfv Completely true.
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2021-05-16 15:59:30 mzar RhodiumToad: do we still have ncurses installed ?
2021-05-16 15:59:33 RhodiumToad those posix functions that relate to ptys are defined in stdlib.h in the spec, afaict
2021-05-16 15:59:50 mzar likely
2021-05-16 16:00:58 RhodiumToad mzar: we do, /usr/include/curses.h, /usr/lib/libncurses*, /lib/libncursesw.so.9 (in 13-stable)
2021-05-16 16:01:51 RhodiumToad and it's not on the list of base libraries that are banned for ports
2021-05-16 16:02:15 mzar thanks for the explanation
2021-05-16 16:02:48 RhodiumToad (base libedit and libarchive are checked for by the port qa.sh script, which tells you to use the port instead)
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2021-05-16 16:03:47 mtu goddammit, i might just end up using SMB between the FreeBSD host and the Linux client, because it doesn't have that each-zfs-dataset-is-a-separate-nfs-mount madness -.-
2021-05-16 16:04:07 mzar mtu: you can export them all
2021-05-16 16:04:24 mtu yes, but i cannot sanely mount them on Linux
2021-05-16 16:04:55 mzar are there all under the same branch of filesystem tree ?
2021-05-16 16:05:03 mtu yes
2021-05-16 16:05:15 mzar so export that branch
2021-05-16 16:05:32 mtu that's not the problem
2021-05-16 16:06:00 mzar so what's the problem ?
2021-05-16 16:06:04 mtu the problem is 81 separate mounts on the Linux side, one for each dataset. that's madness
2021-05-16 16:06:09 RhodiumToad nfsv3 or v4?
2021-05-16 16:06:19 mzar why 81 not 1
2021-05-16 16:06:24 mtu v3, but i'm open to set up v4 if that helps me
2021-05-16 16:06:26 dvl tcberner: You got mentioned at https://github.com/FreshPorts/freshports/issues/276 : "an issue with freshports not updating its index on meta-ports" - Do you recall the issue? Any more information please?
2021-05-16 16:06:44 RhodiumToad I thinbk v4 lets you do the whole tree, whereas v3 needs each filesystem independently
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2021-05-16 16:06:50 mzar export the parrent directory and mount it
2021-05-16 16:06:59 mtu mzar: that does not work
2021-05-16 16:07:05 mtu subdirs are empty mounpoints
2021-05-16 16:07:09 RhodiumToad mzar: doesn't work for nfs versions <4 as far as I know
2021-05-16 16:07:09 mzar mtu: why so ?
2021-05-16 16:07:22 RhodiumToad because that's how nfs works
2021-05-16 16:07:30 mtu RhodiumToad: do you know if nfsv4 handles this sanely?
2021-05-16 16:07:40 RhodiumToad I know it handles it _differently_.
2021-05-16 16:07:54 RhodiumToad I do not know if it is entirely sane
2021-05-16 16:07:57 mzar oh... it works if you have /nfs/dir{1,2,3,4} and export /nfs
2021-05-16 16:08:02 RhodiumToad (I haven't tried it myself)
2021-05-16 16:08:18 RhodiumToad mzar: only in v4
2021-05-16 16:08:34 mtu mzar: we're talking zfs datasets, not regular directories
2021-05-16 16:08:41 mzar I am using in v3
2021-05-16 16:08:44 RhodiumToad mzar: or if the dir* are not themselves filesystem mountpoints
2021-05-16 16:09:40 mzar always worked, moreover, there is -alldirs export option which allows you to mount either /nfs or /nfs/dir1 for example
2021-05-16 16:10:44 RhodiumToad that's not quite what that does
2021-05-16 16:11:16 RhodiumToad -alldirs means that if the server exports /foo with -alldirs, the client can mount for example /foo/bar
2021-05-16 16:12:03 RhodiumToad (without -alldirs the client can mount only the root of the exported filesystem)
2021-05-16 16:12:25 mtu ... which in my case contains 7 empty mountpoints :C
2021-05-16 16:13:20 mzar RhodiumToad
2021-05-16 16:13:38 mzar you are right
2021-05-16 16:14:55 RhodiumToad it's been known to happen
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2021-05-16 16:15:46 RhodiumToad mtu: from my reading of how v4 is supposed to work, it looks much more sane. so definitelt worth a try
2021-05-16 16:16:09 mtu RhodiumToad: how is nfsv4 included in 13.0? base, port, ...?
2021-05-16 16:16:23 RhodiumToad base
2021-05-16 16:16:29 RhodiumToad man exports for how to set it up
2021-05-16 16:18:26 mtu lots of reading to do!
2021-05-16 16:20:28 _xor I switched from v3 to v4 last year and so far so good, though I don't have a complicated setup or anything.
2021-05-16 16:20:33 _xor Your mileage may vary.
2021-05-16 16:20:41 mtu boy, what a mess. used to be 1 mount on ufs, now i've got 81 mounts to deal with and no idea how
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2021-05-16 16:21:55 _xor If you're using ZFS, just keep in mind that the sharenfs property is mutually exclusive with /etc/exports (or at least it was as of a few months ago).
2021-05-16 16:22:08 mtu yeah, i've got that sorted
2021-05-16 16:22:23 mtu like i said, exporting is not a problem, but dozens of mounts on the client side is hell
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2021-05-16 16:22:57 mtu i didn't properly consider how incompatible zfs and nfs are in that regard before setting all this up
2021-05-16 16:23:34 _xor Well, it's more about the implementation itself. NFSv4 supports NT-style ACLs, which is nice (especially if you're trying to use samba).
2021-05-16 16:26:28 mzar with nfsv4 it doesn't work either
2021-05-16 16:26:48 _xor What doesn't work?
2021-05-16 16:26:50 mzar though I have tested on old server implementation from 11.4 stable
2021-05-16 16:27:29 mzar exporting parrent witch children mounted inside
2021-05-16 16:27:35 futune mtu, i got multiple zfs datasets on a single nfs mount using nfsv4
2021-05-16 16:27:55 mtu futune: howwww? :)
2021-05-16 16:28:14 _xor I believe there were a decent number of improvements from 11->12. I think pNFS was introduced in 12.x somewhere as well?
2021-05-16 16:28:51 _xor mzar: How are you trying to mount the descendent(s)?
2021-05-16 16:28:56 CosmicDJ mtu: there's autofs, too (say you have your homes on a NFS server, just tell automountd which dir it should watch and it'll auto-nfs-mount any dirs you try to cd into
2021-05-16 16:29:27 _xor Check if you need to restart mountd, I remember finding that out after some head scratching.
2021-05-16 16:30:08 mtu CosmicDJ: autofs also exists on Linux, so if it works similarly, it's a start. but i'm worried about: a) unmounting it all recursively on demand, does that even work?, and b) dozens of mounts cluttering up every file manager etc.
2021-05-16 16:31:05 _xor Also, you don't include the root export when mounting in v4 (i.e. Server exports /zdata and sharenfs is set for /zdata/some/child, then the client mounts /some/child).
2021-05-16 16:31:52 Yamazaki-kun It's been a while, but I don't recall cluttered file managers at work (using GNOME 3, although generally only one person only logged on to any given desktop)
2021-05-16 16:31:58 mtu _xor: different problem we're discussing (zfs datasets as sub-mountpoints)
2021-05-16 16:32:26 _xor ...that's...what I'm talking about?
2021-05-16 16:32:36 mtu sorry then
2021-05-16 16:32:41 futune mtu, here is a sanitized /etc/exports from the server https://termbin.com/fhry
2021-05-16 16:32:52 futune the inner directories are separate zfs datasets
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2021-05-16 16:33:01 futune only the outer is mounted on the client
2021-05-16 16:33:44 _xor Oh yeah, iirc, you can only have one v4 root export (I think).
2021-05-16 16:33:58 mtu so, with that one "V4: /" line, you mount "/base" from the client (using v4), and you get all your datasets?
2021-05-16 16:34:21 futune ya
2021-05-16 16:34:29 mtu damn, that's what i want :)
2021-05-16 16:35:02 mtu futune: how crazy does authentication get with v4? how do you do it?
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2021-05-16 16:36:54 _xor Local accounts or krb5.
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2021-05-16 16:45:49 Yamazaki-kun Local accounts are authorization, not authentication.
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2021-05-16 16:48:22 _xor Isn't it the other way around? AuthN = "Are you who you say you are?" and AuthZ = "Are you allowed to do what you're trying to do?"
2021-05-16 16:49:37 _xor For v4 you set -sec=sys|krb5 (check that, don't remmeber off the top of my head).
2021-05-16 16:49:45 mtu # service nfsd start --> NFSv4 is disabled
2021-05-16 16:49:45 mtu wat
2021-05-16 16:50:21 _xor nfsv4_server_enable="YES"
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2021-05-16 16:50:50 mtu huh, that's not in the handbook, is it? thanks :)
2021-05-16 16:51:27 _xor Check /etc/defaults/ for knobs, I grep that + look at the man pages.
2021-05-16 16:51:40 mtu good tip :)
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2021-05-16 16:51:59 mtu okay, now the client mounts the share, but it shows empty. gotta dig into the whole auth question ...
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2021-05-16 17:09:43 mtu i'm confused about exports. i need to supply a "V4: /" line, but also regular lines starting with pathnames?
2021-05-16 17:13:18 mtu ah, found it in the manpage exports(5)
2021-05-16 17:15:37 _xor If you're using zfs dataset property sharenfs, then you won't really be using /etc/exports much (if at all).
2021-05-16 17:15:51 _xor Check /etc/zfs/exports (but don't modify it, as it's auto-generated).
2021-05-16 17:16:30 mtu i see. so /etc/exports would just contain "V4: / -network=something", and the rest is 'sharenfs'-prop-handled into /etc/zfs/exports?
2021-05-16 17:16:33 mtu let's try
2021-05-16 17:17:18 _xor On my server, /etc/exports is a single line that exports the v4 root. /etc/zfs/exports is a 16-line file that lists all of my zfs exports that are shared using sharenfs on the dataset.
2021-05-16 17:17:30 mtu yep, that's probably what i want
2021-05-16 17:18:15 mzar _xor: you can still use /etc/exports with zfs
2021-05-16 17:18:29 _xor `zfs set sharenfs='-network=192.168.0.0/16,-alldirs'`
2021-05-16 17:18:30 mtu it works! \o/
2021-05-16 17:19:28 mtu it's slow as f*** when discovering a dir with many sub-datasets, and it spams my file manager and `mount` output on the client with a bazillion mounts^^ but that could also be due to the fact that the client is really old
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2021-05-16 17:20:01 mtu most importantly, recursive unmounting is handled automatically. thank bob
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2021-05-16 17:20:41 mtu thanks a bunch futune _xor Yamazaki-kun CosmicDJ mzar :)
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2021-05-16 17:46:40 kiwiirc in the rc system, what does rc stand for?
2021-05-16 17:46:55 mtu "run control"? </wild_guess>
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2021-05-16 17:54:15 Yamazaki-kun _xor: Nope. https://www.okta.com/identity-101/authentication-vs-authorization/
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2021-05-16 17:55:02 Yamazaki-kun Local accounts control who can access resources (authorization), but anyone can claim to be any user (no authentication)
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2021-05-16 18:01:09 kiwiirc can sudo specs be partial, like would "dice ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD: service rinetd" let user dice start/stop/status/restart the rinetd service?
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2021-05-16 18:04:53 R2COM did anyone manage to be able to adjust laptop brightness with freebsd? i kinda feel that its no doable with "fn" keys
2021-05-16 18:04:56 R2COM with that OS installed
2021-05-16 18:05:01 R2COM not sure if its OS related tho
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2021-05-16 18:08:02 _xor kiwiirc: I think you create an alias for the specific command(s) or whatnot.
2021-05-16 18:09:06 _xor R2COM: I controlled one my laptops LCD brightness using sysctl.
2021-05-16 18:09:43 _xor R2COM: `sysctl -a | grep 'lcd'` and look and what's available (though if you don't see anything there, there are probably other options some where)
2021-05-16 18:09:54 mtu night everyone o/
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2021-05-16 18:11:20 _xor Yamazaki-kun: Oh you were referring to AuthN/AuthZ from an NFS-specific perspective. I misinterpreted.
2021-05-16 18:11:58 _xor Yeah, you need to use krb5 for AuthN.
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2021-05-16 18:13:32 Yamazaki-kun Unless you want penetration tests to be like shooting Magikarp in a barrel, in which case I'd use NIS as well.
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2021-05-16 18:17:38 kiwiirc huh?
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2021-05-16 18:25:55 _xor Hmm, weird. I'm trying to add an entry to my client ssh config to set an explicit port for one of my hosts, but it's not working.
2021-05-16 18:26:08 _xor ssh -vv shows that it's finding the config and it says it's applying it, but then it still tries to connect to port 22.
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2021-05-16 18:28:37 RhodiumToad I do that a lot, what does the entry look like?
2021-05-16 18:29:08 _xor Host my.host.com
2021-05-16 18:29:11 _xor Port 17323
2021-05-16 18:29:12 _xor That's it.
2021-05-16 18:29:16 _xor I just figured it out though.
2021-05-16 18:29:21 RhodiumToad what was it?
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2021-05-16 18:29:54 _xor ~/.ssh/config has a Host * entry with a Port specified, which the client was apparently resolving to.
2021-05-16 18:30:13 _xor I thought more specific hosts would override the Host * entries though.
2021-05-16 18:30:36 RhodiumToad I think first match wins, but I'd have to check
2021-05-16 18:30:46 _xor Really? Hmm.
2021-05-16 18:31:06 _xor Easy enough fix, I can move my Include dir/* before the Host * entry. Let me check.
2021-05-16 18:31:27 RhodiumToad manpage says, first obtained value for each specific parameter
2021-05-16 18:31:52 _xor Yup, you're right. Just confirmed it too.
2021-05-16 18:31:52 RhodiumToad so if a Host * / Port 22 appears before Host foo / Port 1234, then port 22 it is
2021-05-16 18:32:13 _xor Good to know. For some reason I thought it would take the most host-specific rule.
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2021-05-16 19:07:38 gawen anyone managed to run a RPi2 v1.2?
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2021-05-16 19:09:42 petrj it gets crazy hot, ymmv thou
2021-05-16 19:10:43 RhodiumToad which chipset is that one?
2021-05-16 19:11:30 petrj pi 3 model b+
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2021-05-16 19:12:38 petrj can't wait to get hands on risc-v chips and leaving behind arm/aarch64 once and for all..
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2021-05-16 19:30:03 kiwiirc RhodiumToad wanna know what i ended up with for the x backgrounder?
2021-05-16 19:30:08 kiwiirc (and why)
2021-05-16 19:30:12 RhodiumToad what
2021-05-16 19:32:23 kiwiirc rc script daemon command xinit task. i export HOME in script to make sure bash prompt is right on start. service start/restart/stop/status all work through the pid. service restart from within x doesn't work it just exits but whatever at this point
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2021-05-16 19:32:36 kiwiirc gonna need to enable sudo spec so i can run it without entering root pw
2021-05-16 19:32:58 kiwiirc i couldn't use the su -l thing to bring in my user env because it doesn't pass service stop signals
2021-05-16 19:33:06 kiwiirc didn't figure out sudo but did try to try it
2021-05-16 19:33:13 kiwiirc that's basically it
2021-05-16 19:33:58 kiwiirc so now i can boot up, login, sudo service myscript start, back to tty to logout then back to x tty, then use i3lock && acpiconf 3 to sleep
2021-05-16 19:33:58 RhodiumToad the whole idea continues to be misguided
2021-05-16 19:34:06 RhodiumToad use a display manager, it's what they're for
2021-05-16 19:34:06 gawen RhodiumToad: that's bcm2837 i guess
2021-05-16 19:34:52 kiwiirc can a dm be used without having it automatically start? what i want to avoid is having the gui shit be automatic every time i boot. i wanna just start and stop it when i want
2021-05-16 19:34:59 RhodiumToad gawen: ah, ok
2021-05-16 19:35:06 RhodiumToad gawen: mine are the older one then
2021-05-16 19:35:38 gawen RhodiumToad: you got it running with the armv7 images?
2021-05-16 19:35:53 RhodiumToad kiwiirc: you can run a dm as a service and start it with service whatever onestart
2021-05-16 19:36:06 RhodiumToad gawen: yes
2021-05-16 19:36:13 RhodiumToad gawen: (though I build my own images now)
2021-05-16 19:37:42 kiwiirc RhodiumToad that sounds like exactly what im doing with daemon xinit. so what does the dm buy me really?
2021-05-16 19:37:51 gawen RhodiumToad: ah crochet? any good tuto?
2021-05-16 19:38:12 RhodiumToad gawen: no, I build them with my own scripts
2021-05-16 19:38:20 gawen RhodiumToad: ok
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2021-05-16 19:41:24 kiwiirc ?
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2021-05-16 19:42:45 gawen not sure what you want, can't you use a dm with autologin?
2021-05-16 19:43:13 kiwiirc well i just asked what it bought me to use a dm exactly like how im using daemon xinit
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2021-05-16 19:46:25 gawen take a look at x11/slim that's a very light session manager on which you can autologin a user with /usr/local/etc/slim.conf
2021-05-16 19:47:40 gawen then run whatever desktop env you fancy through ~/.xinitrc
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2021-05-16 19:55:50 kiwiirc what's recommended dm?
2021-05-16 19:58:15 antranigv kiwiirc I actually like WINGs Display Manager, because I use WindowMaker :P https://github.com/voins/wdm
2021-05-16 19:58:38 gawen kiwiirc: that depends a lot on what you want to do
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2021-05-16 20:02:22 gawen the most popular one is probably lightdm, that's what you generally get as a light dm for most desktop (xfce/gnome) install
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2021-05-16 20:03:06 gawen there's also sddm mostly used with kde
2021-05-16 20:04:39 gawen slim is much more simpler than the two above, but with much less features
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2021-05-16 20:06:33 kiwiirc well im just running xinit when i want x and killing xorg when i dont. ppl say use a dm so im open and curious
2021-05-16 20:07:02 kiwiirc hmm actually
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2021-05-16 20:09:30 gawen getty is as fine a session manager as any
2021-05-16 20:10:10 kiwiirc i need to try to have xinit start x in the tty i run it in and not in vt9
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2021-05-16 20:10:22 kiwiirc i tried changing vt9 to the tty i was typing in but didnt work
2021-05-16 20:10:25 kiwiirc gonna look more
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2021-05-16 20:16:57 gawen still not sure what you want to achieve, but look at dm's (slim, lightdm or sddm) autologin or try /etc/ttys or /etc/rc.local if it really comes to that
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2021-05-16 20:18:03 kiwiirc i want to boot to a line based shell, login, then run 1 command when i wanna start a gui session in the current tty
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2021-05-16 20:18:12 kiwiirc like if im in tty2
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2021-05-16 20:18:52 kiwiirc im reading on xinit [ [ client ] options ... ] [ -- [ server ] [ display ] options
2021-05-16 20:18:57 kiwiirc "display"
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2021-05-16 20:22:12 gawen can't you use startx?
2021-05-16 20:22:44 kiwiirc maybe im just trying stuff out
2021-05-16 20:23:03 gawen startx is part of the xinit package
2021-05-16 20:23:17 kiwiirc i recall some issues with it cant recall
2021-05-16 20:23:45 gawen there are many possible issues with
2021-05-16 20:24:26 gawen afaik, on modern linux distro it doesn't even work anymore
2021-05-16 20:25:13 kiwiirc so i guess it's not normal to start x on the same tty you run the command in?
2021-05-16 20:25:17 kiwiirc or does startx do that?
2021-05-16 20:25:45 gawen startx should start X from the tty you are in
2021-05-16 20:26:09 kiwiirc maybe ill try again
2021-05-16 20:26:11 gawen but generally we use a display manager like xdm, slim, sddm, lightdm instead
2021-05-16 20:26:11 dstolfa gawen: startx works fine on linux
2021-05-16 20:26:15 dstolfa there are 0 issues with it
2021-05-16 20:26:27 gawen which distrib tho ?
2021-05-16 20:26:33 dstolfa any
2021-05-16 20:26:57 gawen everytime I tried it on Debian lately, it failed
2021-05-16 20:27:25 gawen (lately === several months ago)
2021-05-16 20:27:46 dstolfa i ran it on debian yesterday
2021-05-16 20:27:48 dstolfa so it works
2021-05-16 20:27:56 dstolfa it also works on rhel, hell even fedora which defaults to wayland
2021-05-16 20:28:00 dstolfa it works on void just fine
2021-05-16 20:28:02 dstolfa it works on arch
2021-05-16 20:28:07 dstolfa there's no issues with it
2021-05-16 20:28:21 gawen gonna give it a try
2021-05-16 20:28:28 kiwiirc wheni run startx my/rc/file it starts fine.. in another tty! 9 that is
2021-05-16 20:28:37 kiwiirc but i typed into tty 3 terminal
2021-05-16 20:28:58 uskerine is there a fast read-only network filesystem?
2021-05-16 20:29:07 gawen uskerine: nfs
2021-05-16 20:29:07 petrj define fast
2021-05-16 20:29:24 uskerine my understanding is that nfs is not fast
2021-05-16 20:29:31 petrj define fast
2021-05-16 20:29:38 kiwiirc so is there /no/ way to start an x session in the same tty you type the command in?
2021-05-16 20:29:52 uskerine as close to local speed as possible
2021-05-16 20:29:54 gawen kiwiirc: startx should just do that
2021-05-16 20:30:05 kiwiirc no it doesn't it starts x in tty 9
2021-05-16 20:30:10 kiwiirc i type into 3
2021-05-16 20:30:13 petrj nfs that is
2021-05-16 20:30:27 kiwiirc so now tty 3 shows x's console output or stdout
2021-05-16 20:30:45 kiwiirc i think if i terminate it it would disappear from tty 9 too
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2021-05-16 20:38:01 gawen do you have the x output on any other terminal?
2021-05-16 20:38:18 gawen it maybe that your X drivers don't work
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2021-05-16 20:43:46 kiwiirc is there something that'll make my xinit command run in the bg and return immediately so i can type in another command? i tried xinit /my/rc/file & but it stole the input with x's log output
2021-05-16 20:44:05 gawen xinit&
2021-05-16 20:44:31 kiwiirc how is that not what i typed? the space between the &?
2021-05-16 20:44:47 kiwiirc is that xinit /my/rc/file& ?
2021-05-16 20:45:02 gawen it should be the same
2021-05-16 20:45:27 gawen but do you want to "drop" all output from xinit maybe?
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2021-05-16 20:47:33 kiwiirc oh i only needed to enter once and i got prompt!
2021-05-16 20:47:58 kiwiirc do you know if i can make it so i run xinit and it starts x on whatever tty it chooses but it doesn't force me to go there with it?
2021-05-16 20:48:09 kiwiirc like it leaves me at the tty i ran xinit at
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2021-05-16 20:49:49 gawen you mean that it doesn't automatically switch to the xorg vt?
2021-05-16 20:50:04 kiwiirc ya
2021-05-16 20:53:13 gawen xinit -- -novtswitch
2021-05-16 20:53:15 gawen (maybe)
2021-05-16 20:53:24 gawen never tried that
2021-05-16 20:53:48 gawen xinit -- -novtswitch &
2021-05-16 20:53:53 gawen in your case
2021-05-16 20:54:54 petrj qemu -nographic # please
2021-05-16 20:56:42 kiwiirc xinit /path/to/rc -- -novtswitch & ?
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2021-05-16 21:01:14 kiwiirc xinit /path/to/rc -- -novtswitch & steals focus still, ill try the other side
2021-05-16 21:02:58 kiwiirc xinit -- -novtswitch /path/to/rc dumps errors
2021-05-16 21:03:07 kiwiirc oops, & at the end
2021-05-16 21:03:26 kiwiirc what syntax im messing up?
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2021-05-16 21:10:15 gawen xinit -novtswitch :1 & (for instance)
2021-05-16 21:10:24 gawen but I gues it doesn't do what you want
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2021-05-16 22:48:36 R2COM how do i make my pkg also use "local" port with stuff built by poudriere
2021-05-16 22:48:45 R2COM dont see man page talking or handbook giving exac t example
2021-05-16 22:48:51 R2COM handbook just says "its possible"
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2021-05-17 00:03:50 Yamazaki-kun R2COM: So you want both a tree that Poudriere builds plus the main repos for anything not in it?
2021-05-17 00:06:59 koobs R2COM: Try #poudriere and ask for the docs to be added
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2021-05-17 02:04:56 Remilia it is not clear to me what "local" ports are
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2021-05-17 02:18:25 R2COM yes
2021-05-17 02:18:35 R2COM i meant, the port which i built in jail lets say
2021-05-17 02:18:48 R2COM into a package
2021-05-17 02:19:01 R2COM so how to make it available to pkg? together with standard packages
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2021-05-17 02:50:24 sigod hi, installed nomadbsd on an external usb 2.0 drive and during boot it says trim is turned on and not supported by the drive. Do I just boot into single user mode and turn off trim with tunefs
2021-05-17 02:50:59 sigod I tried tunfs -t disable /dev/da1 and it said no file or directory
2021-05-17 02:51:14 sigod tunefs*
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2021-05-17 02:53:10 sigod or do I need to boot into another liveusb and disable it from there?
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2021-05-17 02:59:29 sigod oh i think i understand
2021-05-17 03:00:01 sigod tunefs -t disable /
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2021-05-17 04:41:48 gebruiker hi
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2021-05-17 04:41:59 gebruiker Guys zfs vs UFS, which one is bet for desktop?
2021-05-17 04:42:08 gebruiker *bst
2021-05-17 04:42:11 gebruiker *best
2021-05-17 04:42:13 gebruiker sorry
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2021-05-17 04:45:53 weust more preference I think. ZFS gives checksums (not idea if UFS does that tbh) and easy snapshot use, backups using snapshot and send to another server.
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2021-05-17 04:50:39 moon-child definitely go for zfs
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2021-05-17 04:50:54 moon-child unless you like getting your data eaten
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2021-05-17 04:55:20 epony gebruiker, how much RAM do you have installed in that system?
2021-05-17 04:55:35 gebruiker epony 8 GB of RAM
2021-05-17 04:55:54 epony you'll probably be fine then either way
2021-05-17 04:56:39 weust iirc ZFS runs much better on systems with not much RAM compared to in the past? so yes, 8GB will be fine
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2021-05-17 05:02:05 gebruiker I see, so for older systems with less RAM UFS and for modern systems ZFS? Is that the jest of it?
2021-05-17 05:05:17 weust Depends a bit on how much RAM I guess. But with every modern system having at least 8GB it shouldn't be an issue. talking desktops here
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2021-05-17 05:05:47 CosmicDJ gebruiker: or were you don't need ZFS features (see https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/ltjv8m/zfs_is_overwhelminly_praised_yet_why_does_netflix/ for example)
2021-05-17 05:05:48 VimDiesel Title: ZFS is overwhelminly praised, yet why does Netflix still use UFS? : freebsd (at www.reddit.com)
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2021-05-17 05:07:16 weust As mentioned there, use what is best in any given situation
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2021-05-17 05:22:53 epony https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/#zfs-advanced
2021-05-17 05:22:54 VimDiesel Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 20. The Z File System (ZFS) (at docs.freebsd.org)
2021-05-17 05:24:47 daemon AllanJude, would it be acceptable for me to drop you a quick private message?
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2021-05-17 05:42:12 BraveheartBSD G;day all. Can anyone assist with Freebsd 13 xorg framebuffer issue?
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2021-05-17 06:13:27 BraveheartBSD Sorted, disregard, thank you
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2021-05-17 06:45:59 debdrup Help, https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=9a2fac6ba65fb is too good of a commit.
2021-05-17 06:46:00 VimDiesel Title: src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.FreeBSD.org)
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2021-05-17 06:49:33 markand hey there
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2021-05-17 06:52:36 daemon debdrup, would you be ok with me quickly dropping you a query in pm?
2021-05-17 06:52:50 debdrup daemon: sure
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2021-05-17 07:30:52 markand I have a raspberry pi 4 running FreeBSD 13 (aarch64)
2021-05-17 07:31:00 markand it is powered by a PoE hat but its fan never turns on
2021-05-17 07:31:44 markand what I don't understand is that you may pass fan parameters in config.txt (to adjust threshold) but I'd not expect that it still requires a dedicated kernel module for that
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2021-05-17 07:34:39 debdrup Isn't config.txt read by the firmware?
2021-05-17 07:35:15 markand it should yes
2021-05-17 07:36:17 markand but my config has parameters to start the fan at 65C and now according to FreeBSD the CPU is at 69 and is not turning on (I have exactly the same configuration on Alpine Linux and it works)
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2021-05-17 07:58:51 huwjr so i've been troubleshooting everything under the sun for the last month trying to fix what i thought must be a hardware issue
2021-05-17 08:00:16 huwjr Turned out I was just out of memory.. It seems that using swap resulted/results in hangs and not using swap resulted/results in reboots - shouldn't I have been seeing processes getting killed and stuff in dmesg to free up RAM? I had literally nothing to go on.
2021-05-17 08:00:20 weust markand: I have a POE HAT and from reading, when they were just new, don't you need to do something in the OS as well? iirc back then it was GNU/Linux only though.
2021-05-17 08:00:24 weust Mine is not in use
2021-05-17 08:00:55 markand weust, yes on Linux there is rpi-poe-fan kernel module
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2021-05-17 08:01:25 huwjr although, I also had hangs with swap off, but it was more in the region of 80% crash to 20% hang.
2021-05-17 08:01:43 markand it's not a big module, maybe with some time I could port it to FreeBSD
2021-05-17 08:02:00 markand but I don't have much experience in kernel dev
2021-05-17 08:02:26 weust markand: ah yes. never fully understand why a fimrware option via config.txt needs a kernel module as well.
2021-05-17 08:02:45 weust but that explains why the fan does nothing with FreeBSD
2021-05-17 08:02:55 markand weust, I've just asked #raspberrypi about that :P
2021-05-17 08:03:07 weust :-) cool
2021-05-17 08:03:16 markand to my understanding device tree are somewhat just information that are given to the host system
2021-05-17 08:03:34 weust yeah, I imagined that too
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2021-05-17 08:04:42 markand so I guess at least it stays at the same "syntax/location" for every system
2021-05-17 08:04:53 markand while if it was not present on linux you would use modprobe options
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2021-05-17 08:40:16 sopparus im on 13-rel now and i'm happy with that. i need to test if something works on 13-0.stable, can I go back from stable to release later? its network related so not sure if I can reproduce in a vm
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2021-05-17 08:46:54 mzar sopparus: use boot environments to test STABLE if you have root on ZFS
2021-05-17 08:47:14 sopparus ufs im afraid
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2021-05-17 08:48:32 mzar going back from STABLE to RELEASE won't be that easy, probably from 13.0-STABLE you can try to switch to 13.1-RELEASE
2021-05-17 08:48:35 ceri sopparus: if it's in-kernel then you could probably get away with just running a new kernel. Then you could just boot the old one
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2021-05-17 08:49:15 sopparus sounds like a plan
2021-05-17 08:49:50 sopparus anyone have a amd64 generic kernel with default config from stable?:)
2021-05-17 08:50:34 ceri http://ftp.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/13.0-STABLE/
2021-05-17 08:50:36 VimDiesel Title: Index of /pub/FreeBSD/snapshots/amd64/13.0-STABLE/ (at ftp.freebsd.org)
2021-05-17 08:50:57 sopparus thanks
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2021-05-17 08:53:42 sopparus so I replace my boot with this new boot?
2021-05-17 08:53:48 sopparus is there any instructions anywhere
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2021-05-17 08:59:04 AllanJude daemon: sure
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2021-05-17 09:03:03 CrtxReavr Finding old Word docs with ":wq" in them.
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2021-05-17 09:52:08 sidh Greetings
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2021-05-17 09:52:39 sidh Greetigns
2021-05-17 09:52:45 sidh Greetings
2021-05-17 09:53:16 sidh I would need your advices regarding poudriere
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2021-05-17 09:55:16 sidh I modified a port (that has been deprecated/removed) and copied it in a port-tree used by poudriere , at the bulk step, it just ignores my port modification and keep telling the port has MOVED etc. is there a way to force the bulk within my port modification ?
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2021-05-17 09:58:01 vkarlsen sidh: Remove its entry in the MOVED file
2021-05-17 09:58:35 sidh I just saw that too : poudriere ports -c p local -F -M /usr/ports -f none
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2021-05-17 09:59:08 sidh I mean for creating a custom port tree from a specified path
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2021-05-17 10:06:58 anexit_ hey all, I keep getting this error in mongod;
2021-05-17 10:07:14 anexit_ soft rlimits too low. rlimits set to 12186 processes, 64000 files. Number of processes should be at least 32000
2021-05-17 10:07:35 anexit_ I set this too 64000 so I'm not sure why 12186 is a problem
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2021-05-17 10:28:12 AllanJude anexit_: check `sysctl kern.maxproc` and `sysctl kern.maxprocperuid`
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2021-05-17 10:28:21 AllanJude and make sure that you are not running into those limits
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2021-05-17 10:30:49 sig_9 is there a raspberry pi fbsd chan?
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2021-05-17 10:33:01 CaptainDrewBoy No official one, I believe
2021-05-17 10:33:18 CaptainDrewBoy However I'm sure if you post in #freebsd-social someone will have a nice chat
2021-05-17 10:33:28 sig_9 thanks
2021-05-17 10:34:31 mzar debdrup: you were partitially right, pulseaudio is not hard but soft Firefox dependency
2021-05-17 10:36:26 mzar adding OID media.cubeb.backend="sndio" "alsa", "oss" etc in the Firefox about:config is required if you want to get rid of pulseaudio which is default backend
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2021-05-17 10:46:13 anexit_ AllanJude: This was the issue; sysctl kern.maxprocperuid=64000
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2021-05-17 10:54:22 daemon sig_9, no but on efnet there is a channel for embedded stuff related to BSD I think
2021-05-17 10:54:24 daemon let me check ...
2021-05-17 10:54:39 daemon #bsdmips I believe
2021-05-17 10:55:13 sig_9 daemon: I figured out what my problem was. I grabbed the GENERIC.img instead of the RPI.img
2021-05-17 10:55:34 daemon :-)
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2021-05-17 10:56:38 sig_9 I messed with cups for a day before I realized to get remote cups working I had to issue: cupsctl --remote-admin
2021-05-17 10:56:40 sig_9 heh
2021-05-17 10:57:39 sig_9 but... I learned a lot!
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2021-05-17 10:59:08 kevans91 sig_9: er, GENERIC should have worked for most models
2021-05-17 10:59:10 kevans91 or all
2021-05-17 10:59:27 kevans91 oh wait
2021-05-17 10:59:28 sig_9 no, the GENERIC boot on my raspPi 4 8gig
2021-05-17 10:59:33 kevans91 no, we don't do edk2 stuf yet
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2021-05-17 11:07:44 Skynet I see one of my processes chewing up more and more RAM and the process is now consuming 16GB. What's the best way to get more information about this process?
2021-05-17 11:08:01 Skynet (Please ping me)
2021-05-17 11:08:40 sig_9 ip?
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2021-05-17 11:08:55 mzar Skynet: procstat(1)
2021-05-17 11:09:05 Skynet Thank you
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2021-05-17 11:15:47 Skynet mzar: I'm following the man page for that command but it only keeps echoing back the usage details.
2021-05-17 11:15:59 mzar ?
2021-05-17 11:16:05 Skynet How should I format the command to look up everything for pid 587
2021-05-17 11:16:18 mzar procstat -kk PID will give a lot of info
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2021-05-17 11:16:26 Skynet *usage details: synopsis of how to use the command.
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2021-05-17 11:17:34 Skynet mzar: interesting. That prints an empty table. :s
2021-05-17 11:17:43 Skynet But the process clearly exists in top
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2021-05-17 11:18:25 Skynet Here's the line in top
2021-05-17 11:18:26 Skynet 587 root 44 21 0 16G 13G kqread 8 21.0H 1.16% python3.8
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2021-05-17 11:19:19 mtu i'm looking for a way to produce output analogous to `dig +short`, but without the net/bind-tools ports (i.e. just base system tools)
2021-05-17 11:19:41 mtu looks like host(1) will always be verbose, and i have to tail and cut the output ...
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2021-05-17 11:20:34 mzar Skynet: so "procstat -kk 587" shows nothing ?
2021-05-17 11:20:57 Skynet Oh wait. I forgot to SUDO that command. Let me try again.
2021-05-17 11:21:45 mzar you don't need to escalate privileges if it's your process
2021-05-17 11:22:44 Skynet mzar: Well it printed a lot of info, but I don't know how to make sense of it. It doesn't seem to have info on what called it, what CLI arguments were used, or if it's a jail process. I would like to have ALL available information I can get about this process.
2021-05-17 11:23:10 mzar Skynet: dig in this data for "kqread"
2021-05-17 11:23:47 Skynet mzar: how would I do this?
2021-05-17 11:24:01 pstef_ Skynet: ps -auxwww -p 587
2021-05-17 11:25:13 mzar Skynet: paste the output to http://bsd.to and follow pstef_'s guidance, have to go, BBL
2021-05-17 11:25:14 VimDiesel Title: dpaste (at bsd.to)
2021-05-17 11:26:12 Skynet mzar: https://bsd.to/tTB3 here you go. :-)
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2021-05-17 11:26:12 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/tTB3 (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-17 11:26:23 pstef_ Skynet: also see: ps -auxd
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2021-05-17 11:28:11 Skynet pstef_: that produces a large list of processes.
2021-05-17 11:28:29 pstef_ and you can find the offending process' ancestry
2021-05-17 11:28:46 CosmicDJ mtu: there's awk, too ;)
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2021-05-17 11:29:18 mtu CosmicDJ: i'm aware it exists, that's all. i'll head and tail and cut my way around any output ;)
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2021-05-17 11:30:04 Skynet pstef_: nice. The ancestors do not appear to be leaking memory. Just the main process.
2021-05-17 11:30:08 CosmicDJ mtu: https://superuser.com/questions/1482465/dnsutils-deprecated-ldns-has-drill-command-but-no-short-option
2021-05-17 11:30:09 VimDiesel Title: bash - dnsutils deprecated, ldns has drill command but no short option - Super User (at superuser.com)
2021-05-17 11:30:41 pstef_ Skynet: I didn't expect to find new leaks, but now you know what called it
2021-05-17 11:31:27 Skynet Yes. Unfortunately, that's a root process initiated during start up in TrueNAS. Middlewared basically runs everything there.
2021-05-17 11:31:56 pstef_ well, I'm afraid you have to ask TrueNAS folks then
2021-05-17 11:32:00 Skynet Any chance to pull even more info on this leaking process so I can file a bug report for TrueNAS?
2021-05-17 11:32:27 Skynet Like maybe resources being left in the process causing the leak?
2021-05-17 11:32:28 mtu CosmicDJ: cool. `| tail -n1 | cut -d' ' -f4` does the job for me :)
2021-05-17 11:33:20 pstef_ I think it would boil down to debugging python scripts and I don't know how that's done
2021-05-17 11:35:17 huwjr repost from earlier as i'm eager to learn something;
2021-05-17 11:35:17 Skynet pstef_: thanks for the help. I'll start to open a bug report with this info I have now. I'm sure they'll tell me what to do to get more info. At least I know where to direct the bug report now. :-)
2021-05-17 11:35:20 huwjr so i've been troubleshooting everything under the sun for the last month trying to fix what i thought must be a hardware issue, turns out I was just out of memory. It seems that using swap resulted in hangs and not using swap resulted in reboots (and also the occasional hang) - shouldn't I have been seeing processes getting killed and stuff in dmesg to free up RAM? I had literally nothing to go on.
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2021-05-17 11:36:15 CosmicDJ huwjr: is your swap on zfs zvols?
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2021-05-17 11:37:03 huwjr possibly? but even with swap off it was hanging/rebooting with nothing logged or killed
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2021-05-17 11:38:22 huwjr i'll double check that. I've learnt I need to set a hard limit on ARC - so i learnt something but I'm worried it'll creep up on me and happen again as it's basically totally unpredictable system usage
2021-05-17 11:38:57 CosmicDJ huwjr: IIRC with 13.0 ARC limits should not be needed anymore
2021-05-17 11:40:22 huwjr my understanding was if your system needs resources it steals it from ARC - but I guess that depends how active it is? e.g. can it flush to disk fast enough to free tha ram? i had 32gb ram, 20 used by ARC and 27 used at the point that it crashed last
2021-05-17 11:40:30 huwjr 27 wired*
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2021-05-17 11:40:58 CosmicDJ huwjr: ARC cache is mostly cached data that's already on your disks...
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2021-05-17 11:41:10 huwjr thought it was the primary write cache?
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2021-05-17 11:42:25 huwjr derp excuse me
2021-05-17 11:43:38 CosmicDJ huwjr: a 20G *write* cache screams for data loss ;) zfs is flushing your data to disks every few seconds
2021-05-17 11:43:39 huwjr but still, why the hell did it not clear up arc and make way for system resources? and why did a process not get killed to make way?
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2021-05-17 11:44:12 huwjr indeed let's just brush what i said under the carpet please:)
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2021-05-17 11:46:19 xtao is that on 12.x or 13.0? i had to limit the ARC on 12.x or my stuff started swapping like crazy and eventually killed processes with OOM. but on 13.0 the same behavior doesn't happen at all for me
2021-05-17 11:46:38 huwjr if it killed a process I would have known what the problem was
2021-05-17 11:46:48 huwjr I tried rc1, rc2 and 13
2021-05-17 11:47:27 huwjr prior to that i was using a different software stack (backuppc 3 on 11.x vs backuppc 4 on 13.x)
2021-05-17 11:48:31 huwjr backuppc now seems to do a lot more stuff with your data (it has its own rsync binary now) so makes sense it would be using a lot more RAM
2021-05-17 11:50:28 huwjr to clarify, it used to not crash, but since updating the entire stack including bsd it started to. My worry is not so much this problem, as the fact I got no output anywhere telling me I was out of RAM. And if it's not best practice to set a hard limit on ARC now, this is going to rear its head again
2021-05-17 11:50:59 biglama Hi guys, how can I pause a poudrier job ? I've tried Ctr-Z but it is still building
2021-05-17 11:51:47 huwjr the solution is easy - i've quadrupled RAM - but it's taken me a long time (and nearly binning an entire server assuming mobo failure) to determine I was actually just totally out of ram.
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2021-05-17 11:57:48 ceri Been looking at tmux but it takes a crap if it can't write to /tmp/tmux-${UID} - is that serious?
2021-05-17 11:58:17 kiwiirc debdrup so i eventually got your idea working of starting the x session in the bg using the rc system if you wanna know how
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2021-05-17 11:58:41 ceri kiwiirc: ah, now we know who to blame :D
2021-05-17 11:58:49 kiwiirc ya lol
2021-05-17 11:59:20 kiwiirc i ended up just running xinit with & to background it, saved a ton of hoops to jump through but it was a great learning experience
2021-05-17 11:59:29 kiwiirc it was my first time making an rc script and working with daemon
2021-05-17 12:00:20 sig_9 setting up this raspPi printer server in the docs it says "where ugenX.Y lists the printer device, which is a symbolic link to a USB device in /dev/usb
2021-05-17 12:00:33 sig_9 my printer is on ugen0.4
2021-05-17 12:00:56 sig_9 but how do I know what x.x.x in /dev/usb is for ugen0.4?
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2021-05-17 12:01:49 sig_9 for /etc/devfs.rules
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2021-05-17 12:16:39 sig_9 how do I set and apply a ruleset?
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2021-05-17 12:31:03 sig_9 this is what my devfs
2021-05-17 12:31:07 sig_9 https://bsd.to/FxSy
2021-05-17 12:31:09 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/FxSy (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-17 12:31:15 sig_9 what am I doing wrong?
2021-05-17 12:31:44 href maybe you didn't set a rule number
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2021-05-17 12:33:08 sig_9 I have [system]
2021-05-17 12:33:19 mtu is there a way to use the `poudriere bulk` command to od two jails one after the other, or does that require two calls to poudriere?
2021-05-17 12:33:30 mtu *do
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2021-05-17 12:33:56 href sig_9: should probably be [system=A_NUMBER]
2021-05-17 12:33:59 href see man devfs.rules
2021-05-17 12:34:05 sig_9 doh
2021-05-17 12:34:21 sig_9 I have system=10
2021-05-17 12:34:40 href sure? cannot extract rule number ([system-10])
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2021-05-17 12:34:49 href it looks like it's system-10 and not system=10°
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2021-05-17 12:35:08 sig_9 thank you! I just noticed that!
2021-05-17 12:35:09 sig_9 :)
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2021-05-17 12:35:32 sig_9 ok restarted with no errors
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2021-05-17 13:05:57 debdrup mzar: yes, I know.
2021-05-17 13:06:26 debdrup kiwiirc: that's what I told you to do to begin with..
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2021-05-17 13:10:50 kiwiirc i thought you said & was the hack method and the rc script was the right way?
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2021-05-17 13:37:52 dvl AllanJude: Will send email soon, but a week from Friday is PGCon Unconference.
2021-05-17 13:39:20 AllanJude dvl: k
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2021-05-17 13:42:21 lattera kevans91: ping
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2021-05-17 13:44:05 lattera AllanJude: kevans91: so I'm writing an app that consumes libzfs. I'm trying to include libzfs.h. libzfs.h includes libnvpair.h. I'm getting tons of these errors:
2021-05-17 13:44:08 lattera In file included from /usr/home/shawn/projects/hbsdmon/usr.bin/hbsdmon/zfs.c:42:
2021-05-17 13:44:09 lattera In file included from /usr/include/libzfs.h:38:
2021-05-17 13:44:11 lattera In file included from /usr/include/libnvpair.h:29:
2021-05-17 13:44:13 lattera /usr/include/sys/nvpair.h:159:1: error: unknown type name 'uint_t'; did you mean 'uint8_t'?
2021-05-17 13:44:15 lattera uint_t nvlist_nvflag(nvlist_t *);
2021-05-17 13:44:35 lattera have either of you run into that when building out-of-tree projects that consume libzfs?
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2021-05-17 13:45:27 kevans91 lattera: this is the 'stupid include path' problem
2021-05-17 13:45:34 * kevans91 grabs a link
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2021-05-17 13:46:26 kevans91 lattera: any application wanting to use libzfs needs to repeat these -I incantations to some extent, else you'll end up with some unexpected header (like system libnvpair.h): https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/lib/libbe/Makefile#n56
2021-05-17 13:46:28 VimDiesel Title: Makefile ÂŤ libbe ÂŤ lib - src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.freebsd.org)
2021-05-17 13:46:45 kevans91 lattera: i.e. you need to have the openzfs tree and it needs to be using the version of libnvpair.h in openzfs/include
2021-05-17 13:47:40 lattera well, shoot, so that means my out-of-tree project will have a hard dependency on /usr/src (or a different src directory)?
2021-05-17 13:48:35 kevans91 yeah, pretty much. :-( You might be able to get away with some subset that's generally the kernel headers and maybe src/cddl
2021-05-17 13:48:49 dstolfa lattera: i mean this isn't terribly uncommon... it happens quite often on various linux distros as well
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2021-05-17 13:49:26 lattera dstolfa: yeah. I just prefer to not rely on having a src tree. but I am open to making exceptions
2021-05-17 13:49:27 kevans91 fwiw I found it pretty irritating as well
2021-05-17 13:49:28 kevans91 ==-p
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2021-05-17 13:49:55 dstolfa lattera: yeah, it's not great but at least it's not strictly worse than state-of-the-art :P
2021-05-17 13:51:20 lattera I wonder how much effort it would be to create a set of headers meant for out-of-tree apps
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2021-05-17 13:51:49 dstolfa i suspect it involves touching a lot of makefiles so you could do an .include or something
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2021-05-17 14:49:32 sig_9 is there a package that I can install to broadcast the print server on my raspPi so other computers on the network see it?
2021-05-17 14:49:55 sig_9 in raspian it showed itself on the network but not sure what was doing it
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2021-05-17 14:59:38 SpaceBass I've got a box that uses mysql server to support another service. Everything was working fine. Now I'm seeing that mysql isn't running and when I try and start it, I get:
2021-05-17 14:59:47 SpaceBass mysql-server does not exist in /etc/rc.d or the local startup
2021-05-17 14:59:47 SpaceBass directories (/usr/local/etc/rc.d), or is not executable
2021-05-17 15:00:00 SpaceBass If I re-install the port, will I keep my databases?
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2021-05-17 15:01:27 zi should be fine; you can make a copy of /var/db/mysql if you are concerned
2021-05-17 15:02:00 SpaceBass Ah! Good call!
2021-05-17 15:02:32 zi the normal upgrade process involves deleting/reinstalling, so this isnt crazy
2021-05-17 15:02:36 zi (the package)
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2021-05-17 15:17:44 crm Has anyone got a "EMAIL SYNC FAILURE" email from the mailing lists' post mailer?
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2021-05-17 15:54:29 sig_9 is there a list of working printers for freebsd?
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2021-05-17 15:56:00 dkeav anything that works with cups
2021-05-17 15:56:23 sig_9 not necessarily
2021-05-17 15:56:36 sig_9 I have a HL-2230 that works in linux but won't in freebsd
2021-05-17 15:56:48 mzar sig_9: you have to configure cups manually, no OS wizard to help with this
2021-05-17 15:57:11 sig_9 I have
2021-05-17 15:57:22 sig_9 it sends the print job and says it is complete but nothing
2021-05-17 15:57:34 mzar take a look at settings under Linux and try to reproduce
2021-05-17 15:58:03 sig_9 I pulled the ppd files from a .deb package
2021-05-17 15:58:07 sig_9 still nothing
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2021-05-17 15:59:19 sig_9 Brother_HL-2230_series accepting requests since Mon May 17 13:24:37 2021
2021-05-17 15:59:28 mzar sig_9: you probably want to install those: foomatic-db foomatic-db-hpijs cups-filters
2021-05-17 15:59:49 sig_9 foomatic fails to copy ppd files under this raspPi freebsd image
2021-05-17 16:00:02 sig_9 whenever I install them they fail to copy
2021-05-17 16:00:11 mzar so this could be a culprit
2021-05-17 16:00:16 sig_9 I'm hoping not
2021-05-17 16:00:33 sig_9 but thought it might be the support for the rasppi
2021-05-17 16:00:39 debdrup lattera: please don't paste things into the channel, even if your client is using an anti-flood avoidance technique like staggering the messages; Sigyn (network services) will trigger on it and k-line you, and if it doesn't eventually I'm going to get annoyed with it and do something about it.
2021-05-17 16:01:42 debdrup sig_9: if it sends the print job to the printer successfully, I would think that the problem is somewhere else.
2021-05-17 16:02:04 mzar sig_9: if it's Brother then you probably only need cups-filters and foomatic-db
2021-05-17 16:02:05 debdrup Check if you see the network traffic for it with tcpdump.
2021-05-17 16:02:26 sig_9 mzar: I've tried all of them, about to give up on this printer
2021-05-17 16:02:28 sig_9 heh
2021-05-17 16:03:22 lattera debdrup: sorry, I didn't think it was that large of a paste. I'll post on a pastebin-like service next time
2021-05-17 16:04:02 debdrup lattera: If it can't be put on one line with you typing out \n to indicate where new lines go, it's better to use a pastebin.
2021-05-17 16:04:58 mzar but people are allowed to paste small amount of text to -social or #social
2021-05-17 16:06:50 debdrup mzar: in general, the idea is to avoid pastes in all of the #freebsd namespace, including -social et al.
2021-05-17 16:07:36 mzar kk, I was kidding
2021-05-17 16:07:55 kiwiirc mzar c'mon man
2021-05-17 16:08:41 debdrup mzar: kind of an obtuse joke, considering there was absolutely nothing to indicate it.
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2021-05-17 16:09:34 mzar we should be kiding from time to time to release the increasing frustration of supported and supportees
2021-05-17 16:10:20 mzar obsute... cool, looks like someone is tired
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2021-05-17 16:11:24 debdrup mzar: text as a medium is notoriously difficult to distinguish sarcasm and jokes without some form of indicator
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2021-05-17 16:12:10 mzar no worries,
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2021-05-17 16:15:43 sig_9 is there a package that will broadcast a network printer?
2021-05-17 16:15:57 sig_9 I think avahi does this
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2021-05-17 16:31:35 uskerine is it possible to pass the standard input of a sh script to a command?
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2021-05-17 16:31:53 uskerine https://stackoverflow.com/questions/6980090/how-to-read-from-a-file-or-stdin-in-bash <- like this but in sh
2021-05-17 16:31:54 VimDiesel Title: How to read from a file or STDIN in Bash? - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
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2021-05-17 16:39:45 The_Ringmaster so I have freebsd 13 installed (in virtualbox) with plasma 5 desktop. I've noticed with both firefox and otter browser that when I scroll it will go back a page. What setting is causing this behaviour?
2021-05-17 16:39:53 mzar uskerine: done <&0 will do the trick for Bourne shell
2021-05-17 16:40:08 mzar while read line
2021-05-17 16:40:08 mzar do echo "$line"
2021-05-17 16:40:09 mzar done <&0
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2021-05-17 16:41:22 mzar The_Ringmaster: you should have tried it on real HW, it just works
2021-05-17 16:41:49 The_Ringmaster well on the falkon browser it doesn't seem to have the same behavior
2021-05-17 16:42:13 mzar I am not familiar with this, perhaps someone will help
2021-05-17 16:42:29 uskerine thanks
2021-05-17 16:42:41 The_Ringmaster but falkon browser does seem to trust any websites certificates.. not sure about that one but it's annoying
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2021-05-17 16:47:47 The_Ringmaster https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/gnome3-weird-scroll-wheel-behaviour.78532/
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2021-05-17 16:47:47 VimDiesel Title: Solved - GNOME3: Weird scroll wheel behaviour | The FreeBSD Forums (at forums.freebsd.org)
2021-05-17 16:47:49 The_Ringmaster there we go
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2021-05-17 17:03:45 uskerine how do I know if cups is installed?
2021-05-17 17:04:26 RhodiumToad pkg info cups ?
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2021-05-17 17:04:59 RhodiumToad or see if /usr/local/lib/libcups.so.* is present?
2021-05-17 17:05:36 uskerine thanks, it is installed
2021-05-17 17:05:46 uskerine I guess it is not installed by default, right?
2021-05-17 17:06:10 mzar cups is not a part of base system if you are asking about it
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2021-05-17 17:13:32 RhodiumToad quite a few packages will pull it in as a dependency
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2021-05-17 17:13:50 RhodiumToad e.g. all gtk apps
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2021-05-17 17:13:55 uskerine i just wanted to know if I installed here or not
2021-05-17 17:14:07 uskerine actually now I was interested in lpd, I was just using the line printer
2021-05-17 17:14:26 RhodiumToad lpd is probably not very useful these days
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2021-05-17 17:14:42 uskerine I just have a line printer in this system
2021-05-17 17:14:55 uskerine but yes I know what you mean
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2021-05-17 17:19:50 mzar uskerine: CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE=yes
2021-05-17 17:19:51 mzar WITHOUT_LPR=yes
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2021-05-17 17:21:08 sig_9 does lpd have to be loaded for a print server?
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2021-05-17 17:22:10 RhodiumToad CUPS_OVERWRITE_BASE?
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2021-05-17 17:22:27 RhodiumToad sig_9: not if you're using cups
2021-05-17 17:22:37 sig_9 copy
2021-05-17 17:23:09 Skynet I'm losing my mind here. Can someone please tell me how to pass to grep's --exlcude options, the directories '/tmp','/directory/sub1', and '/directory/sub2'?
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2021-05-17 17:23:44 gbristol --exclude-dir={.git,.hg,.svn} <-- how i do it with zsh
2021-05-17 17:23:57 gbristol but you'd just have to list those in there
2021-05-17 17:24:10 Skynet gbristol that's GNU grep
2021-05-17 17:24:21 Skynet FreeBSD has a different grep
2021-05-17 17:24:50 RhodiumToad bsd grep supports many gnu options including --exclude
2021-05-17 17:25:00 gbristol > grep (BSD grep) 2.5.1-FreeBSD
2021-05-17 17:25:06 gbristol you sure about that bud?
2021-05-17 17:25:17 Skynet RhodiumToad: not --exclude-dir as gbristol suggested
2021-05-17 17:25:21 gbristol (granted it is on os x)
2021-05-17 17:25:27 RhodiumToad --exclude-dir pattern
2021-05-17 17:25:31 gbristol but it's definitely not GNU grep i'm using
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2021-05-17 17:25:57 Skynet Well my grep doesn't support that option, and it's a FreeBSD base grep
2021-05-17 17:26:07 Skynet Nor is it in the docs
2021-05-17 17:26:17 RhodiumToad Skynet: what fbsd version?
2021-05-17 17:26:30 Skynet 12.1
2021-05-17 17:26:39 Skynet (or 12.2)
2021-05-17 17:26:42 gbristol what grep version is it?
2021-05-17 17:26:48 Skynet It's definitely a 12
2021-05-17 17:27:15 Skynet # grep --version
2021-05-17 17:27:15 Skynet grep (GNU grep) 2.5.1-FreeBSD
2021-05-17 17:27:22 Skynet Hmmm....
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2021-05-17 17:27:27 gbristol i mean that's the same version i'm using
2021-05-17 17:27:36 Skynet It doesn't like it when I add --exclude-dir
2021-05-17 17:27:38 RhodiumToad my 12-stable system has bsdgrep 2.6.0
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2021-05-17 17:27:46 RhodiumToad what exact command did you use
2021-05-17 17:27:56 Skynet # grep --exclude-dir
2021-05-17 17:27:56 Skynet grep: unrecognized option `--exclude-dir'
2021-05-17 17:28:18 RhodiumToad that looks like gnu grep
2021-05-17 17:28:21 nesta yep
2021-05-17 17:28:24 gbristol yeah
2021-05-17 17:28:36 RhodiumToad bsd grep would give bsdgrep: option `--exclude-dir' requires an argument
2021-05-17 17:29:13 Skynet Any way to know if there are multiple greps installed?
2021-05-17 17:29:23 Skynet I don't recall installing any.
2021-05-17 17:29:44 nesta which grep
2021-05-17 17:29:54 Skynet Returns /usr/bin/grep
2021-05-17 17:29:57 RhodiumToad in 12.x the default is both gnu grep (installed as "grep") and bsd grep (installed as "bsdgrep") in the base system
2021-05-17 17:30:14 RhodiumToad in 13.x bsd grep is installed under both names I believe
2021-05-17 17:30:28 RhodiumToad nope, just as grep apparently
2021-05-17 17:30:46 Skynet bsdgrep supports the argument --exclude-dir
2021-05-17 17:30:59 Skynet I'll use that
2021-05-17 17:31:09 mzar so install it from ports/packages
2021-05-17 17:31:20 Skynet It's already installed
2021-05-17 17:31:30 Skynet Just didn't know it existed as bsdgrep
2021-05-17 17:31:46 mzar invoke with full path then if you want to use GNU grep
2021-05-17 17:32:15 Skynet But it's not excluding the directories I specified. :-(
2021-05-17 17:32:32 mzar perhaps the shell is culprit here
2021-05-17 17:32:44 mzar try to run it in different shell
2021-05-17 17:32:47 Skynet Here's the exact command being fed to the shell.
2021-05-17 17:32:48 Skynet bsdgrep --exclude={/tmp,/usr/local/www/nextcloud/data,/usr/local/www/nextcloud/core,/usr/local/www/nextcloud/apps} -rnw '/' -e 'upload_max_filesize'
2021-05-17 17:33:04 RhodiumToad Skynet: what shell are you running that in?
2021-05-17 17:33:07 Skynet Oh wait. I'm an idiot
2021-05-17 17:33:17 Skynet I used --exclude :p
2021-05-17 17:33:47 Skynet There we go.
2021-05-17 17:33:50 RhodiumToad the {...} expansion doesn't exist in sh, only in bash/zsh/ksh/etc.
2021-05-17 17:34:01 mzar true
2021-05-17 17:34:23 Skynet The host uses ZSH, and so do the jails of iocage. If I'm not mistaken.
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2021-05-17 17:36:15 Skynet RhodiumToad: thanks for bsdgrep
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2021-05-17 17:39:07 et09 anyone have a /etc/pam.d/dovecot i can see?
2021-05-17 17:39:12 et09 docs not clear on freebsd
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2021-05-17 17:55:58 et09 ah i fixed it n/m
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2021-05-17 18:15:23 sig_9 ulpt0: using bi-directional mode <---- could this be an issue with printing on a network
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2021-05-17 18:15:34 RhodiumToad no
2021-05-17 18:17:05 sig_9 it sees the printer on usb://dev/usblp0
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2021-05-17 18:18:29 RhodiumToad yes, so?
2021-05-17 18:18:44 RhodiumToad (by "it" I assume you mean cups, yes?)
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2021-05-17 18:18:53 sig_9 yes sorry
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2021-05-17 18:19:23 RhodiumToad so what works and what doesn't?
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2021-05-17 18:19:43 sig_9 heh
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2021-05-17 18:20:06 sig_9 well I can connect to cups, add printer but can't actually print to it
2021-05-17 18:20:16 RhodiumToad what happens when you try
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2021-05-17 18:20:35 RhodiumToad (and are you sure you're using the right program to try and print)
2021-05-17 18:20:55 sig_9 using socket://ipaddress says completed but nothing goes through
2021-05-17 18:21:07 RhodiumToad using that how and where?
2021-05-17 18:21:35 sig_9 printer server is the Raspberry PI 4 running freebsd
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2021-05-17 18:22:22 RhodiumToad that doesn't answer the question
2021-05-17 18:22:35 sig_9 if I test print from any machine on the network it says completed but nothing goes through to the printer. same as if I test print from the server
2021-05-17 18:22:41 RhodiumToad what did you try and print, from where, using which program with what options?
2021-05-17 18:22:49 sig_9 cups
2021-05-17 18:22:52 sig_9 web interface
2021-05-17 18:22:56 RhodiumToad and what does lpstat -t on the printer server show?
2021-05-17 18:24:10 sig_9 https://bsd.to/yGke
2021-05-17 18:24:11 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/yGke (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
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2021-05-17 18:25:48 RhodiumToad and what EXACTLY did you do on some other system to try and print? and does printing locally on the print server work?
2021-05-17 18:26:01 RhodiumToad e.g. echo "foo!" | lpr-cups should work
2021-05-17 18:27:01 sig_9 just staying with cups interfaces on other pc's and printing from the the web interface on each localhost:631
2021-05-17 18:27:32 RhodiumToad that doesn't tell me anything about what you did
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2021-05-17 18:29:25 sig_9 Using cups interface, I added the printer and send a test print to the server with nothing.
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2021-05-17 18:31:15 sig_9 but on the cups interface on the server after I send a "test Print" it does show completed but it doesn't
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2021-05-17 18:31:39 RhodiumToad don't waste your time trying to print from anywhere else until you can print directly from the print server
2021-05-17 18:32:12 RypPn you need to delve into logging to find useful info rather than a sad story
2021-05-17 18:32:16 RhodiumToad what happens if you print on the print server using lpr-cups as I just suggested?
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2021-05-17 18:33:02 sig_9 just drops to the next line, no output
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2021-05-17 18:35:42 RhodiumToad does lpstat show any pending jobs?
2021-05-17 18:35:59 sig_9 it does not
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2021-05-17 18:39:29 RhodiumToad ok. you need to look at the cups logs, and possibly enable more logging
2021-05-17 18:40:13 sig_9 I see this: avahi-daemon[1195]: dbus_bus_get_private(): Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
2021-05-17 18:40:22 RhodiumToad not relevant
2021-05-17 18:40:25 sig_9 ok
2021-05-17 18:40:30 RhodiumToad see /var/log/cups
2021-05-17 18:41:13 sig_9 unable to encrypt connection: A TLS fatal alert has been received
2021-05-17 18:41:31 RhodiumToad where?
2021-05-17 18:42:48 sig_9 where would I find that
2021-05-17 18:42:56 RhodiumToad where DID you find it
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2021-05-17 18:43:10 sig_9 /var/log/cups/error.log
2021-05-17 18:43:15 RhodiumToad context?
2021-05-17 18:43:33 RhodiumToad and are there lots of them, and do they match up with your attempts to print?
2021-05-17 18:44:08 sig_9 yes lots of them and yes with the attempts to print
2021-05-17 18:46:17 RhodiumToad anything in your cups config about ssl?
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2021-05-17 18:49:26 RhodiumToad and do you have a /usr/local/etc/cups/client.conf and if so what is in it?
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2021-05-17 19:07:09 sig_9 RhodiumToad: so sorry... I had a shipment come in and had to pay the driver.
2021-05-17 19:07:18 sig_9 ok I got foo! printed
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2021-05-17 19:08:45 dkeav cool, good work
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2021-05-17 19:25:34 _xor Heh, sounds like rt is some kind of drug kinpin :P
2021-05-17 19:25:38 _xor *kingpin
2021-05-17 19:27:02 _xor I saw this documentary once about drugs in the UK called "Lock, Stock, & Two Smoking Barrels" and I picture rt as Rory in it.
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2021-05-17 20:20:06 hendursaga Is Michael W. Lucas on here? I just purchased a book of his.
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2021-05-17 20:20:45 hendursaga On jails. I figured it'd be helpful to read through.
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2021-05-17 20:29:46 et09 i set up a sweet new server on freebsd ;)
2021-05-17 20:29:52 et09 it was a headache but not so much the freebsd part
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2021-05-17 20:32:13 Schamschula I was just updating ports under 13.0-RELEASE, and it installed samba412 and several dependents. I didn't previously have samba installed. Why?
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2021-05-17 20:33:30 Schamschula I don't want samba running, as the server has no need for it.
2021-05-17 20:34:17 RhodiumToad pkg info -r samba412 will tell you what pulled that in
2021-05-17 20:39:14 mmoriarity just having it installed shouldn't cause samba to be running, you would have to enable something in rc.conf for that
2021-05-17 20:39:44 Schamschula Hmm. php74-pecl-smbclient
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2021-05-17 20:39:58 mmoriarity yeah that would probably do it :)
2021-05-17 20:40:47 RhodiumToad pkg info -r php74-pecl-smbclient to see what pulled that in, and so on
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2021-05-17 20:45:00 kiwiirc any way to run xinit without it automatically moving you to the tty with x?
2021-05-17 20:45:29 Schamschula Except, it's not installed on this machine. I manually deleted the whole stack leading to samba412 on this particular machine. I ran "pkg info -r samba412" on my other machine, which does need samba.
2021-05-17 20:46:27 Schamschula s/it's not/wasn't/
2021-05-17 20:46:41 RhodiumToad what was in that stack that got deleted, out of curiosity?
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2021-05-17 20:48:56 Schamschula lmdb, tbd, gamin, libnotify p5-Parse-Yapp, talloc, tevent, cmocka, libsunacl, py38-zipp, py38-importlib-metadata, py38-markdown and samba412
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2021-05-17 20:49:02 dkeav kiwiirc: maybe xinit -- vt#
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2021-05-17 20:50:16 Schamschula Nothing beyond samba412. Everything else was pulled in to install samba
2021-05-17 20:50:18 RhodiumToad "tbd"?
2021-05-17 20:50:28 _xor tbb
2021-05-17 20:50:42 RhodiumToad or tdb?
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2021-05-17 20:51:42 _xor The two most common reasons I've run into for that scenario is due to one port updating a dependency to a breaking-change version, which then causes other ports to conflict & get uninstalled until they're updated as well.
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2021-05-17 20:52:09 _xor Er yeah, tdb. I had an issue with that + one other library I can't remember off the top of my head that caused samba to conflict.
2021-05-17 20:52:19 RhodiumToad Schamschula: what did you have to remove in order to remove samba, though?
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2021-05-17 20:54:22 Schamschula I removed the above list of previously uninstalled packages. They all are dependencies for samba412.
2021-05-17 20:54:52 _xor He's asking what depended on samba, hence the -r flag.
2021-05-17 20:54:52 RhodiumToad samba412 wouldn't be installed at all unless either you asked for it, or something pulled it in
2021-05-17 20:54:58 RhodiumToad the question is, what pulled it in
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2021-05-17 20:55:29 RhodiumToad removing packages without -f also removes anything that depends on them
2021-05-17 20:56:08 _xor By default I make use of the -n flag now to review the changes. That and I run autoremove.
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2021-05-17 20:56:56 Schamschula Except that "pkg delete" explicitly asks if I want to remove the dependent packages.
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2021-05-17 20:57:50 RhodiumToad pkg delete X askes if you want to remove things that _depend on_ X, not things that X depends on
2021-05-17 20:58:06 Schamschula I did an experiment, and re-ran "portmaster -aB" and it didn't find anything.
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2021-05-17 21:00:01 Schamschula Correct. I deleted the new packages, each time either the package I was deleting, or sometimes that package and its dependents were listed.
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2021-05-17 21:00:53 kiwiirc dkeav like xinit /path/to/myrc -- vt# if i have a config?
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2021-05-17 21:01:27 dkeav something like that, looking at the Xserver manpage it may be ttyXX
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2021-05-17 21:01:51 dkeav but it may still switch, i'm not sure
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2021-05-17 21:02:07 RhodiumToad yes, it'll switch
2021-05-17 21:03:12 RhodiumToad pretty sure there's no way to make it not do that.
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2021-05-17 21:05:11 Schamschula BTW: is there a quick way of determining the package dependencies? I spend a lot of time packaging under MacPorts. I'm used to "port rdeps package" to get the entire tree, or "port rdependents package" for all packages that depend on it (recursively).
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2021-05-17 21:06:43 RhodiumToad for installed packages, or for uninstalled packages in a repo?
2021-05-17 21:07:00 dkeav pkg info -Rx <portname> ???
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2021-05-17 21:07:34 RhodiumToad what do you think that does?
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2021-05-17 21:07:58 dkeav i assume nothing, as thats from the pkg_add days
2021-05-17 21:08:01 Schamschula The former works for any package, installed or not. The latter only for installed packages.
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2021-05-17 21:08:42 RhodiumToad pkg seems to be missing options to recursively show dependencies, other than things like trying to install with -n and seeing what it lists as needing to install
2021-05-17 21:09:16 RhodiumToad pkg rquery can show dependencies in both directions for packages in a repo, even if not installed, but there's no option to recurse
2021-05-17 21:09:36 Schamschula Yikes! pkg info -Rx is verbose!
2021-05-17 21:09:36 RhodiumToad obviously one could whomp up a suitable script
2021-05-17 21:09:50 dkeav yea -R is "raw"
2021-05-17 21:09:52 dkeav hehe
2021-05-17 21:09:55 RhodiumToad pkg info -R shows the raw package metadata including the file list
2021-05-17 21:10:04 Schamschula So it seems!
2021-05-17 21:10:10 RhodiumToad and -x just means to treat the name as a regex
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2021-05-17 21:10:41 RhodiumToad pkg info -r shows the reverse dependencies (i.e. pkg info -r X shows the installed packages that depend directly on X)
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2021-05-17 21:11:06 dkeav iirc in ports tree you can do a make depends-list
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2021-05-17 21:11:16 dkeav or maybe it was all-depends-list
2021-05-17 21:11:18 RhodiumToad pkg rquery '%rn' somepkgname works for packages in a repo
2021-05-17 21:11:42 RhodiumToad the depends lists from ports are next to useless, all-depends-list includes build and test dependencies for example
2021-05-17 21:11:54 dkeav bah
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2021-05-17 21:12:02 Schamschula -x wouldn't pull in that openssh depends on openssl, but would list py38-openssl, etc.
2021-05-17 21:12:09 RhodiumToad so for example the output of make all-depends-list in audio/lv2 includes most of X
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2021-05-17 21:13:03 RhodiumToad make -C audio/lv2 all-depends-list | wc -l ## 425 ports
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2021-05-17 21:13:23 dkeav lol
2021-05-17 21:14:24 RhodiumToad almost all of them pulled in by the fact that py-rdflib has a test dependency on py-networkx which pulls in GDAL which pulls in several kitchen sinks
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2021-05-17 21:15:09 dkeav not ideal
2021-05-17 21:16:18 RhodiumToad to compound matters, the INDEX file which is supposed to provide dependency info for the ports tree is broken and useless
2021-05-17 21:16:42 RhodiumToad (it knows nothing of flavors, so it often reports incorrect dependencies)
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2021-05-17 21:21:47 Schamschula make -C math/octave all-depends-list | wc -l ## 558 ports
2021-05-17 21:23:16 RhodiumToad make -C math/octave TEST_DEPENDS="" all-depends-list | wc -l ## 357 ports
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2021-05-17 21:25:07 RhodiumToad package-depends-list looks more promising
2021-05-17 21:25:20 RhodiumToad that excludes build and test deps
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2021-05-17 21:28:01 Schamschula package-depends-list cuts octave down to 239
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2021-05-17 22:06:17 BraveheartBSD Is calling nvidia-modeset from rc.conf broken on 13.0?
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2021-05-17 22:07:55 RhodiumToad shouldn't be, that's the standard way
2021-05-17 22:08:02 RhodiumToad what happened when you tried?
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2021-05-17 22:09:03 BraveheartBSD Fails. no card/driver found. Only way to get it up is via boot/loader.conf
2021-05-17 22:09:56 RhodiumToad did you check you have the correct package installed, in the correct place?
2021-05-17 22:10:07 RhodiumToad and what is in your loader.conf?
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2021-05-17 22:10:47 RhodiumToad (at least on EFI systems, trying to load nvidia in loader.conf is likely to cause the boot to fail entirely)
2021-05-17 22:11:56 BraveheartBSD Alienware M17 lappie, discreet gfx selected in bios. Latest driver is installed (pkg)and laoder.conf only has Linux and nvidia-modset
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2021-05-17 22:12:23 RhodiumToad remove everything from loader.conf then
2021-05-17 22:12:38 RhodiumToad linux should be loaded using linux_enable="YES" in rc.conf
2021-05-17 22:13:09 BraveheartBSD ok, 1 sec
2021-05-17 22:13:14 RhodiumToad EFI or legacy boot?
2021-05-17 22:13:54 BraveheartBSD legacy, uefi boot boots up a gorgeous frame buffer, lol
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2021-05-17 22:16:24 BraveheartBSD Rebooting with changes
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2021-05-17 22:21:55 * RhodiumToad awaits developments
2021-05-17 22:22:24 * RhodiumToad makes a bet with himself
2021-05-17 22:22:57 * RhodiumToad precommits to 8857192045b6123753637b9fc8db9c6688b42b97d52c7a16bbe8b13171dc2610
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2021-05-17 22:23:23 RhodiumToad and?
2021-05-17 22:23:31 BraveheartBSD Ok, this is wierd, it now works as expected
2021-05-17 22:23:55 RhodiumToad it loaded it ok from kld_list?
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2021-05-17 22:24:11 sab110 meta-1 /buffer *
2021-05-17 22:24:29 BraveheartBSD Yes, called from rc.conf
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2021-05-17 22:25:31 RhodiumToad well then. I lose the bet with myself
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2021-05-17 22:25:54 sab110 :bN
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2021-05-17 22:26:46 BraveheartBSD Lol, sorry. May have been a typo somewhere, i was on this thing at 2.00am
2021-05-17 22:34:43 CrtxReavr rc.conf calls nothing.
2021-05-17 22:34:46 CrtxReavr It just sets variables.
2021-05-17 22:35:31 RhodiumToad yes, but saying what actually happened is more tedious
2021-05-17 22:36:04 RhodiumToad "/etc/rc.d/kld loaded nvidia-modeset because it was listed in kld_list in rc.conf"
2021-05-17 22:38:40 CrtxReavr It's only tedious when you say it.
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2021-05-17 22:59:20 et09 i install fortune-mod-bofh, fortune-mod-futurama, etc.,
2021-05-17 22:59:26 et09 but i notice default "fortune" can't find those files
2021-05-17 22:59:48 et09 i guess... you have to write 'all'
2021-05-17 23:00:54 et09 (man the futurama ones kind of suck)
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2021-05-17 23:12:09 et09 does sshfs from a linux client require anything besides sshd etc on the server?
2021-05-17 23:12:23 et09 my freebsd servers don't seem to like being mounted
2021-05-17 23:13:21 et09 ah... there it goes, n/m
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2021-05-17 23:18:52 _xor It seems sysrc isn't as well-known as it should be, I think.
2021-05-17 23:19:19 _xor Wait, does sysrc just help resolve a an rc file and make basic edits or does it also sanity check what you're trying to set?
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2021-05-17 23:23:16 RhodiumToad it does enforce some minimal sanity I believe
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2021-05-17 23:28:10 _xor My train of thought there was: "I'd imagine it would. Wait, if it's just a shell script then maybe not? Otherwise it might need a parser. Wait no, knobs are super simple key-values, maybe just needs to validate string=string with proper quoting?"
2021-05-17 23:30:13 _xor Is validating whether a knob exists or not deterministic? (as in can looking at /etc/default, /usr/local/etc/rc.d, etc and accumulating a list of declared variables be done?)
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2021-05-17 23:32:23 RhodiumToad no
2021-05-17 23:32:53 RhodiumToad port rc.d files can and will check things that aren't in any defaults file
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2021-05-18 04:01:41 DarwinElf can I upgrade from FreeBSD 12.2 to 13 or it has to be a reinstall?
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2021-05-18 04:03:50 moon-child upgrade
2021-05-18 04:04:04 CosmicDJ DarwinElf: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/relnotes/ "Binary upgrades between RELEASE versions are supported using the freebsd-update(8) utility."
2021-05-18 04:04:05 VimDiesel Title: FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE Release Notes | The FreeBSD Project (at www.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-18 04:05:10 CosmicDJ DarwinElf: https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.0R/installation/ "Systems running 11.4-RELEASE or 12.2-RELEASE can upgrade as follows:"
2021-05-18 04:05:11 VimDiesel Title: FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE Installation Instructions | The FreeBSD Project (at www.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-18 04:08:16 DarwinElf thanks
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2021-05-18 04:14:50 bruvvha do you think he can upgrade from freebsd 12.2 to 13 or did he reinstall?
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2021-05-18 04:18:41 CosmicDJ bruvvha: that's up to him ;)
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2021-05-18 04:24:23 moon-child maybe the real upgrade was the friends we made along the way
2021-05-18 04:24:48 bruvvha <3
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2021-05-18 06:30:44 debdrup Huh, you learn some neat things from Twitter. https://twitter.com/dmilith/status/1394593694859161600 taught me about _oomprotect in rc.subr(8) which can be used in /etc/rc.conf to protect services from being killed by the OOM killer.
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2021-05-18 07:00:38 weust that is cool
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2021-05-18 08:35:23 vkarlsen debdrup: Thanks, that is neat. Setting it on unbound.
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2021-05-18 08:42:01 vkarlsen kernel: pid 63725 (unbound), jid 0, uid 59, was killed: out of swap space
2021-05-18 08:43:06 vkarlsen Then I sit there like it's 1995, waiting for a hostname to resolve
2021-05-18 08:43:25 kevans91 ah, so ample time to party
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2021-05-18 08:58:47 kiwiirc any way to have xinit not automatically change my focus tty from what i type it into to the tty x starts on?
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2021-05-18 09:05:47 debdrup Not without heavy modification of Xorg, I suspect.
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2021-05-18 09:06:13 debdrup vkarlsen: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D30330
2021-05-18 09:06:14 VimDiesel Title: ⚙ D30330 rc.conf(5): Add _limits, _loginclass, and _oomprotect (at reviews.freebsd.org)
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2021-05-18 09:07:21 debdrup kiwiirc: also, that question is probably better asked in one of the xorg channels, since it's not really got much to do with FreeBSD.
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2021-05-18 09:23:01 kiwiirc ah ya
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2021-05-18 09:28:11 debdrup RhodiumToad_: are you part of the postgres team (pgsql@), and can you do something about https://nitter.eu/mulander/status/1394642736863666176 ?
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2021-05-18 09:38:41 Cubox Hi! I need a little bit of help. I have python3.9 installed with in make.conf it defined in the default version.I have installed python3.8 as well, and I want to install pip for python3.8 (being separated from the 3.9 one), but I can't figure out how to specify to portmaster to build the 3.8 version.
2021-05-18 09:40:11 Cubox I tried using PYTHON_VERSION but this changes nothing. I'm sure there is something to do to build just this little pip with 3.8 and keep 3.9 as default, but I can't find how
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2021-05-18 10:01:30 dkeav https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/flavors/#flavors-using
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2021-05-18 10:18:51 weust anyone else having issues configuring mail/evolution-ews? Using poudriere in my case. CMake Error at cmake/modules/PrintableOptions.cmake:38 (message):
2021-05-18 10:18:51 weust variable name cannot be empty
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2021-05-18 11:38:42 RhodiumToad debdrup: I'm not part of pgsql@
2021-05-18 11:51:04 debdrup RhodiumToad: fair enough
2021-05-18 11:51:42 RhodiumToad doesn't look fixable upstream (we already have hacks to do OOM protection on linux)
2021-05-18 11:52:13 mzar good afternoon RhodiumToad, debdrup and others
2021-05-18 11:52:27 mzar it looks like not so many issues to support today
2021-05-18 11:52:33 RhodiumToad but the procctl call seems to require root privilege, which postgresql never has
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2021-05-18 12:08:53 debdrup RhodiumToad: the idea is to have rc set the protect bit when launching the service, which requires _start which postgres is overriding in order to launch as the pgsql user, which in theory could be done using _user
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2021-05-18 12:12:29 RhodiumToad yes, I saw that
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2021-05-18 12:15:08 RhodiumToad so, the rc script in the port uses su -l, whereas rc.subr would use su -m for *_user
2021-05-18 12:15:15 RhodiumToad that may be relevant
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2021-05-18 12:16:06 RhodiumToad also rc.subr uses another level or two of shell quoting when doing that
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2021-05-18 12:39:22 debdrup Not sure sure how to go about getting the port fixed.
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2021-05-18 12:46:18 RhodiumToad I don't know who is on pgsql@ other than girgen
2021-05-18 12:47:07 debdrup https://cgit.FreeBSD.org/src/commit/?id=cc6f46ac2fd5 one day commits like this will make sense, I keep telling myself.
2021-05-18 12:47:08 VimDiesel Title: src - FreeBSD source tree (at cgit.FreeBSD.org)
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2021-05-18 12:47:35 debdrup I mean the code - the comments do make a fair go at explaining it.
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2021-05-18 13:26:02 SymbioticFemale whats the situation if the firewall rules fail to load properly on boot?
2021-05-18 13:26:10 SymbioticFemale does it default to "let everything in and out"?
2021-05-18 13:26:21 SymbioticFemale if so, what should I do about this?
2021-05-18 13:27:20 SymbioticFemale my concern was raised by some unattended kernel upgrades leading to firewall rules not being loaded or not loaded properly
2021-05-18 13:27:29 Dwarf I think it defaults to "block everything"
2021-05-18 13:27:36 RhodiumToad it's configurable
2021-05-18 13:28:02 SymbioticFemale configurable where?
2021-05-18 13:28:10 RhodiumToad sysctl net.inet.ip.fw.default_to_accept
2021-05-18 13:28:31 RhodiumToad the default for that, in turn, is compiled into the kernel
2021-05-18 13:28:39 SymbioticFemale ah
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2021-05-18 13:29:38 RhodiumToad oh, that default has to be set in loader.conf if you want to change it
2021-05-18 13:30:30 kiwiirc when you guys create files like text files or transfer pics from your camera, do you use file extensions like .txt or .jpg?
2021-05-18 13:30:36 debdrup Conceptually, a firewall has to have block by default as the fall-back, otherwise it isn't doing what it's supposed to.
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2021-05-18 13:31:00 kiwiirc i see a lot of files in *nix world not have extensions but some do, so i wonder where most ppl draw the line
2021-05-18 13:31:18 RhodiumToad debdrup: the default specified by that sysctl becomes the implicit rule number 65535 (assuming ipfw here, dunno about pf),
2021-05-18 13:31:21 debdrup kiwiirc: dos file extensions are fine for interoperability with other systems, but for the notes that I'm just keeping on my filesystem until I move them to my local wiki, I don't append file types.
2021-05-18 13:31:41 RhodiumToad whereas actual sets of firewall rules usually have a rule 65000 that specifies the desired default allow/deny
2021-05-18 13:31:48 debdrup RhodiumToad: right, but I was talking about in general vis-a-vis the whole access control list functionality.
2021-05-18 13:31:55 SymbioticFemale RhodiumToad: yeah i'm not finding anything in sysctl net.inet.ip.fw
2021-05-18 13:32:02 kiwiirc makes sense. if you took some pics would you keep the .jpg .png etc extensions?
2021-05-18 13:32:02 debdrup An access control list that doesn't block by default isn't useful.
2021-05-18 13:32:03 RhodiumToad so usually the sysctl/tunable only matters if the ruleset wasn't loaded.
2021-05-18 13:32:09 kiwiirc even if you didn't share the pics
2021-05-18 13:32:19 RhodiumToad SymbioticFemale: using pf? that may have its own setting somewhere
2021-05-18 13:32:38 kiwiirc i use pf and my rules start with a default block all
2021-05-18 13:32:40 SymbioticFemale RhodiumToad: yeah
2021-05-18 13:32:49 SymbioticFemale kiwiirc: alright cool
2021-05-18 13:33:19 RhodiumToad kiwiirc: I use file extensions for documentary purposes and convenience in editing
2021-05-18 13:33:20 kiwiirc i also log on it so i can watch everything that's blocked in realtime
2021-05-18 13:33:21 SymbioticFemale kiwiirc: hmm, you mean, your personal ruleset, or "the fallback"?
2021-05-18 13:33:24 debdrup kiwiirc: the images I import are .DNG, and I don't touch them with anything but darktable - it gets exported to my gallary as a png file, and I assume that uses .png files, but I never bothered to check.
2021-05-18 13:33:35 kiwiirc my personal ruleset. there's no default afaik
2021-05-18 13:34:13 kiwiirc RhodiumToad do you use extensions on every file you make? like even .txt on simple note files
2021-05-18 13:34:14 SymbioticFemale kiwiirc: so "no default" means that if the ruleset fails to load due to a syntax error or kernel fkup, then its open season?
2021-05-18 13:34:28 SymbioticFemale kiwiirc: this is precisely the problem i am concerned with
2021-05-18 13:34:32 debdrup Access control lists should have the most specific rules first, then more generic rules the lower you get in the ruleset, until you hit the last rule which, as I've said, should be blocking everything
2021-05-18 13:34:45 kiwiirc i think so, but i have a process where my syntax is checked upon every config change
2021-05-18 13:34:52 kiwiirc automatically ofc
2021-05-18 13:35:02 RhodiumToad probably 95%+ of all files
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2021-05-18 13:35:13 kiwiirc but even .txt?
2021-05-18 13:35:22 RhodiumToad often not .txt
2021-05-18 13:35:27 kiwiirc ok
2021-05-18 13:35:37 SymbioticFemale kiwiirc: yeah even pfctl checks the syntax, but i had a couple times where a kernel update without reboot caused issues with firewall rdr rules and then I tried to reload the ruleset but it refused
2021-05-18 13:35:40 kiwiirc ill do what you guys do
2021-05-18 13:36:04 SymbioticFemale kiwiirc: i'm concerned that this lack of a fallback is resulting in my network being wide open when this rare circumstance occurs
2021-05-18 13:36:22 kiwiirc SymbioticFemale ya that's a thing. hm. what you think a solution would be? some kinda fail mode where if pf is started with a bad syntax config, it just blocks all by default?
2021-05-18 13:36:28 SymbioticFemale kiwiirc: just do what the cool kids do and name all your .txt files as .bin
2021-05-18 13:36:50 kiwiirc sounds as useful as naming them .dat
2021-05-18 13:36:54 SymbioticFemale kiwiirc: yeah that is what i want. if pf doesn't load, panic.
2021-05-18 13:37:10 kiwiirc dont you want more than panic?
2021-05-18 13:37:26 kiwiirc if it panics doesn't that mean terminate and therefore pf won't be running when you think it is?
2021-05-18 13:37:55 SymbioticFemale i mean like burn down everything but don't for the love of god let down the firewall. i mean panic in the sense that my whole netstack should go down into hibernation and cut the copper wires.
2021-05-18 13:38:30 kiwiirc ya well imo best solution along that line is what i said, a default block all rule
2021-05-18 13:38:47 kiwiirc if you can't get any traffic in/out, you'll have an easy way to know there's a problem
2021-05-18 13:39:05 SymbioticFemale hmm,
2021-05-18 13:39:10 kiwiirc would be nice if a log message could be dumped into syslog too, like 'pf syntax error, starting in failsafe mode'
2021-05-18 13:40:19 * SymbioticFemale digs into /etc/rc.d/pf
2021-05-18 13:40:48 kiwiirc good thoughts and keep at it
2021-05-18 13:41:01 kiwiirc can't ever be too careful with computer garbage
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2021-05-18 13:48:08 kiwiirc what's common practice re: a blank line at end of files? like scripts, config files
2021-05-18 13:49:09 RhodiumToad just make sure you don't have a missing final newline, that confuses all sorts of stuff
2021-05-18 13:49:20 * RhodiumToad likes to put a comment on the last line
2021-05-18 13:49:21 kiwiirc missing final newline?
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2021-05-18 13:49:45 RhodiumToad if the last character in the file isn't a newline, some programs get confused
2021-05-18 13:49:52 kiwiirc reason i was thinking about having blank last line is when i cat the file, if it isn't there, the prompt is shown after last line of text on same line
2021-05-18 13:50:16 RhodiumToad that suggests a missing newline
2021-05-18 13:50:26 kiwiirc hmm
2021-05-18 13:50:30 kiwiirc ill investigate
2021-05-18 13:50:59 RhodiumToad some shells are smarter about that than others.
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2021-05-18 13:51:50 RhodiumToad zsh by default seems to output an inverse-video % and a newline before prompting, if the command didn't output a newline itself, not sure how it works that out
2021-05-18 13:51:59 kiwiirc i found a file that does it. how can i inspect if it has a missing newline or not?
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2021-05-18 13:52:43 kiwiirc im using bash
2021-05-18 13:52:53 RhodiumToad hd filename | tail and see if the last byte is 0a
2021-05-18 13:53:22 RhodiumToad ot cat -vet filename and see if it outputs a $ after the last actual character
2021-05-18 13:53:28 RhodiumToad s/ot/or/
2021-05-18 13:53:51 RhodiumToad (cat -e adds a $ character before each newline)
2021-05-18 13:54:30 RhodiumToad (cat -vet exposes non-printing characters, newlines and tabs, so it's a useful way to look for weird stuff)
2021-05-18 13:54:32 kiwiirc looks like 6c (l) is last character, then there's a blank line with no hex or text that's number 00000143
2021-05-18 13:54:39 RhodiumToad that's the byte offset
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2021-05-18 13:55:06 RhodiumToad hd's output format starts each line with the offset within the file, then displays canonical hex/ascii dump
2021-05-18 13:55:25 RhodiumToad if there's no 0a after the 6c, then the final newline is missing
2021-05-18 13:55:30 kiwiirc there's no $ at end of last line
2021-05-18 13:55:40 kiwiirc should vi add it?
2021-05-18 13:56:13 kiwiirc hm ya it did
2021-05-18 13:56:30 RhodiumToad vi should always write files with a final newline
2021-05-18 13:56:31 kiwiirc i opened in vi, :wq, now $ shows and prompt is on its own line
2021-05-18 13:56:37 RhodiumToad for other editors, it may be configurable
2021-05-18 13:57:06 kiwiirc is it possible to search recursively for any files that lack the final newline so i can go and add them in?
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2021-05-18 14:00:30 RhodiumToad you'd have to avoid non-text files somehow
2021-05-18 14:00:58 RhodiumToad tail -c1 filename | wc -l will output 1 if the file ends in a newline and 0 if it does not
2021-05-18 14:01:37 RhodiumToad (though it'll also output 0 if the file is actually empty, which is usually ok)
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2021-05-18 14:03:13 kiwiirc does windows newline '\r\n' work on unix? i cant test because i dont have any windows boxes
2021-05-18 14:04:25 mzar kiwiirc: why shouldn't it work ?
2021-05-18 14:04:32 RhodiumToad most unix tools will see that as a file in which all the lines end with \r
2021-05-18 14:04:35 kiwiirc dunno
2021-05-18 14:04:42 RhodiumToad since the \n is taken as being the actual newline
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2021-05-18 14:04:52 RhodiumToad some editors may auto-detect it
2021-05-18 14:05:03 kiwiirc what's the downside of every line ending effectively in /r?
2021-05-18 14:05:06 kiwiirc \r
2021-05-18 14:05:18 RhodiumToad it will confuse some programs
2021-05-18 14:05:30 RhodiumToad and in some places it might be taken as literal data
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2021-05-18 14:25:57 kiwiirc i gotta search for that and make sure none of my files have it
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2021-05-18 14:30:07 mcrane kiwiirc: from what I've seen windows is the odd duck as they want \r\n and everyone else wants \n
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2021-05-18 14:31:44 mcrane this is normal for Microsoft as they were the last to support native ssh, last browser to support png full transparency and last browser to support svg
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2021-05-18 14:32:29 RhodiumToad actually it's not just windows that uses \r\n, it's the canonical line terminator for internet text protocols
2021-05-18 14:33:16 RhodiumToad (worse is the old Apple standard of using just \r, I don't know what they do now)
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2021-05-18 14:36:26 mcrane https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/History_of_macOS
2021-05-18 14:36:27 VimDiesel Title: History of macOS | Apple Wiki | Fandom (at apple.fandom.com)
2021-05-18 14:36:35 mcrane https://apple.fandom.com/wiki/NeXT
2021-05-18 14:36:36 VimDiesel Title: NeXT | Apple Wiki | Fandom (at apple.fandom.com)
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2021-05-18 14:49:46 kiwiirc if \r\n is canonical for internet text, shouldn't unix and everyone switch to that?
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2021-05-18 14:52:37 RhodiumToad no
2021-05-18 14:53:23 RhodiumToad because \n is assumed by the C language, requiring nasty "text" vs "binary" mode hacks in stdio on platforms using other newlines
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2021-05-18 14:56:11 kiwiirc so \r\n can't work on unix like systems because C is so intertwined?
2021-05-18 14:57:14 RhodiumToad well more because it hasn't historically worked that way
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2021-05-18 15:06:28 meena many modern c programmes anticipate any and all line ending, because we live in a world where text is freely shared and modified on various platforms
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2021-05-18 15:11:24 CaptainDrewBoy Hi there! I wish to use headphones on my laptop (running FreeBSD 13 RELEASE). When I plug them in sound still plays through speakers. I tried to fix this a while ago, but it ended up not working so I deleted the changes I made (and I don't really recall what those changes were)
2021-05-18 15:12:11 CaptainDrewBoy I don't mind if I have to manually switch between the two in the terminal
2021-05-18 15:12:15 CaptainDrewBoy So long as it works
2021-05-18 15:12:17 GrahamPerrin[m] CaptainDrewBoy: USB?
2021-05-18 15:12:46 CaptainDrewBoy The headphones were wired if that is what you mean
2021-05-18 15:13:07 CaptainDrewBoy let me grab them now
2021-05-18 15:13:27 CaptainDrewBoy got them
2021-05-18 15:14:04 CaptainDrewBoy they just plug into the audio jack
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2021-05-18 15:16:48 GrahamPerrin[m] I have these lines https://bsd.to/ymx5/raw within my /etc/rc.conf from when I last tried to make use of headphones. The "NO" in the first line is where I gave up but I can't recall the reason for giving up. Essentially it's using virtual_oss
2021-05-18 15:16:50 VimDiesel Title: ymx5 (at bsd.to)
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2021-05-18 15:17:21 GrahamPerrin[m] https://www.freshports.org/audio/virtual_oss/
2021-05-18 15:17:22 VimDiesel Title: FreshPorts -- audio/virtual_oss: Virtual OSS multi device mixer application (at www.freshports.org)
2021-05-18 15:17:57 CaptainDrewBoy Let me try that app...
2021-05-18 15:18:34 GrahamPerrin[m] It's command line stuff, I'm not aware of an GUI. Of course I'd like one :-)
2021-05-18 15:19:01 CaptainDrewBoy Personally I have no issues just typing in a quick command to switch between headphones and speakers
2021-05-18 15:19:23 CaptainDrewBoy I prefer CLI apps anyway if I'm being honest
2021-05-18 15:19:56 CaptainDrewBoy so I need to load a module in my loader.conf...
2021-05-18 15:20:57 GrahamPerrin[m] I'm actually looking forward to having a Windows notebook purchased for me. Love FreeBSD but some days I just can't be bothered. FreeBSD can't boot on the computer, which sort of takes the decision away from me :-)
2021-05-18 15:22:30 CaptainDrewBoy Personally I could never go back to Windows. I've only been using UNIX-based OS's for half a year (several linux distros, now FreeBSD, where I intend to stay) but I already nearly live in the terminal
2021-05-18 15:23:26 CaptainDrewBoy And when I *AM* using a GUI it's with a tiling wm, and that just puts me in the *can't cope using a normal desktop* mindset now
2021-05-18 15:23:39 CaptainDrewBoy I can't live without keyboard shortcuts =(
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2021-05-18 15:28:17 CaptainDrewBoy added cuse to my loader.conf
2021-05-18 15:28:21 CaptainDrewBoy do I need to reboot?
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2021-05-18 15:29:08 RhodiumToad loader.conf is only read on reboot, but cuse should be no problem to load on the fly
2021-05-18 15:29:12 RhodiumToad i.e. kldload cuse
2021-05-18 15:29:36 CaptainDrewBoy ah yes okay
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2021-05-18 15:29:58 RhodiumToad most modules like that should be pulled in by whatever needs them, automatically; but if not, adding to kld_list in rc.conf is preferred over using loader.conf
2021-05-18 15:30:10 CaptainDrewBoy oh okay
2021-05-18 15:30:17 RhodiumToad loader.conf should be used only for stuff that you need to load to get to critical filesystems
2021-05-18 15:30:35 RhodiumToad (or for tunables that you can't set later)
2021-05-18 15:30:49 CaptainDrewBoy So what would the syntax to load cuse in rc.conf be?
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2021-05-18 15:31:14 RhodiumToad you can run the command sysrc kld_list+="cuse" to edit the file automatically
2021-05-18 15:31:36 CaptainDrewBoy oh awesome
2021-05-18 15:31:57 RhodiumToad to do it manually, if there's already a kld_list line then add it separated by whitespace, e.g. kld_list="aesni cuse"
2021-05-18 15:32:08 RhodiumToad if there isn't one, then add kld_list="cuse"
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2021-05-18 15:32:40 RhodiumToad variable assignments must appear once only in rc.conf, you can't have multiple lines of the same kind
2021-05-18 15:32:40 CaptainDrewBoy Added the cuse load to rc.conf
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2021-05-18 15:32:58 CaptainDrewBoy So I loaded it with kldload so we'll see how virtual_oss treats me
2021-05-18 15:33:57 CaptainDrewBoy not working...
2021-05-18 15:34:08 CaptainDrewBoy Still complaining about cuse
2021-05-18 15:34:14 CaptainDrewBoy I'll reboot and see what happens
2021-05-18 15:34:20 CaptainDrewBoy I may have done kldload wrong
2021-05-18 15:34:22 CaptainDrewBoy be back soon
2021-05-18 15:35:08 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: virtual_oss is required only if you use something like sndio and want different pcm/dsp devices for record and output
2021-05-18 15:35:26 mzar 100% irrelevant to cuse
2021-05-18 15:35:32 RhodiumToad or if you want to use bluetooth
2021-05-18 15:35:38 mzar yep
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2021-05-18 15:37:21 mzar for webcam working multimedia/cuse4bsd-kmod is required and cuse4bsd on kld_list="
2021-05-18 15:37:45 mzar and the last step: sysrc webcamd_enable="YES"
2021-05-18 15:37:52 RhodiumToad huh?
2021-05-18 15:37:59 RhodiumToad I see no port of that name
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2021-05-18 15:38:25 mzar RhodiumToad: aren't you teleconferencing on FreeBSD ?
2021-05-18 15:38:30 RhodiumToad no
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2021-05-18 15:38:53 CaptainDrewBoy Despite the fact that I have cuse in my kld_load, virtual_oss still gives an error
2021-05-18 15:38:59 RhodiumToad what error
2021-05-18 15:39:03 CaptainDrewBoy virtual_oss: Could not connect to cuse module
2021-05-18 15:39:10 RhodiumToad kld_list, not kld_load
2021-05-18 15:39:25 RhodiumToad does it show up in kldstat?
2021-05-18 15:39:42 CaptainDrewBoy My rc.conf has this in kld_list="i915kms cuse"
2021-05-18 15:39:45 RhodiumToad mzar: ls: multimedia/cuse*: No such file or directory
2021-05-18 15:40:08 CaptainDrewBoy kldstat shows a cuse.ko
2021-05-18 15:40:41 RhodiumToad and /dev/cuse exists?
2021-05-18 15:40:45 mzar RhodiumToad: you are right it was probably remnant from 11
2021-05-18 15:41:02 mzar but somehow cuse is loaded and works
2021-05-18 15:41:09 RhodiumToad mzar: early 11 or 10. cuse is in base system now
2021-05-18 15:41:20 mzar probably webcamd loaded it
2021-05-18 15:42:10 mzar yes, I need to do some cleanups in my configs, some on my desktop are probably from 9.0 era
2021-05-18 15:42:15 CaptainDrewBoy but I think it's empty
2021-05-18 15:42:25 CaptainDrewBoy A message didn't send
2021-05-18 15:42:34 RhodiumToad CaptainDrewBoy: you think what's empty? /dev/cuse is a device
2021-05-18 15:42:45 CaptainDrewBoy ahh
2021-05-18 15:42:49 RhodiumToad crw------- 1 root operator 0x3e 18 May 20:40 /dev/cuse
2021-05-18 15:42:53 CaptainDrewBoy If I try to open it in vim it shows nothing
2021-05-18 15:43:00 CaptainDrewBoy So I assumed it was an empty file
2021-05-18 15:43:01 mzar now www/chromium should work fine with Discord and with MS Teams (tested)
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2021-05-18 15:43:22 CaptainDrewBoy so yes /dev/cuse is there
2021-05-18 15:43:47 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: install and start webcamd
2021-05-18 15:43:48 RhodiumToad hmm
2021-05-18 15:43:55 RhodiumToad how did you try and start virtual_oss?
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2021-05-18 15:44:38 CaptainDrewBoy yes, running the command virtual_oss is what gives me the error I posted earlier
2021-05-18 15:44:54 RhodiumToad service virtual_oss start
2021-05-18 15:44:58 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: have you configured it ?
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2021-05-18 15:45:14 CaptainDrewBoy No, I haven't configured anything mzar
2021-05-18 15:45:20 RhodiumToad (having added the needed config stuff to rc.conf)
2021-05-18 15:45:48 CaptainDrewBoy what is the needed config stuff
2021-05-18 15:46:02 RhodiumToad that depends on what you want to do with it
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2021-05-18 15:46:52 CaptainDrewBoy I want to switch between headphones and speakers
2021-05-18 15:46:57 CaptainDrewBoy Using a command
2021-05-18 15:47:02 mzar cool
2021-05-18 15:47:09 mzar will work out of the box
2021-05-18 15:47:37 mzar please paste the output from 'cat /dev/sndstat' ?
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2021-05-18 15:48:25 mzar or have you pasted it above ?
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2021-05-18 15:48:31 CaptainDrewBoy no
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2021-05-18 15:48:53 mzar use paste service from the topic of this channel
2021-05-18 15:48:57 CaptainDrewBoy okay
2021-05-18 15:50:11 CaptainDrewBoy https://bsd.to/LHVW
2021-05-18 15:50:12 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/LHVW (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 15:50:21 CaptainDrewBoy this is the same with and without headphones plugged in
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2021-05-18 15:51:06 mzar virtual_oss_dsp="-T /dev/sndstat -S -i 8 -C 18 -c 18 -r 48000 -b 32 -s 512 -O /dev/dsp1 -R /dev/dsp3 -c 2 -d dsp -c 18 -d vdsp -t vdsp.ctl"
2021-05-18 15:51:20 mzar add this to /etc/rc.conf and start the service
2021-05-18 15:51:24 CaptainDrewBoy okay
2021-05-18 15:52:11 mzar then issue command: "virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -O /dev/dsp0" to switch to speakers
2021-05-18 15:52:32 CaptainDrewBoy does it matter where it goes in relation to the kld_list that loads cuse?
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2021-05-18 15:52:49 mzar probably not
2021-05-18 15:52:51 CaptainDrewBoy I know loader.conf goes top to bottom but I don't recall if rc.conf does
2021-05-18 15:53:06 CaptainDrewBoy I'll pop it at the bottom anyways
2021-05-18 15:53:42 mzar then issue command: "virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -R /dev/dsp0" to switch from USB microphone to builtin
2021-05-18 15:54:15 CaptainDrewBoy I won't be changing my microphone, my headphones don't have one
2021-05-18 15:54:49 mzar so what is "pcm3: <USB audio> (rec)" from your paste ?
2021-05-18 15:55:02 CaptainDrewBoy My builtin microphone
2021-05-18 15:55:08 CaptainDrewBoy But my headphones don't have one
2021-05-18 15:55:22 CaptainDrewBoy ...Am I getting a bit mixed up
2021-05-18 15:55:34 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: you will probably to figure out what is what
2021-05-18 15:56:33 CaptainDrewBoy service virtual_oss start produces an error still
2021-05-18 15:56:43 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: you may probably be interested in installing multimedia/webcamd, it doesn't require any config, just add webcamd_enable="YES"
2021-05-18 15:56:47 mzar what error ?
2021-05-18 15:56:55 CaptainDrewBoy Cannot 'start' virtual_oss. Set virtual_oss_enable to YES in /etead of 'start'.
2021-05-18 16:04:35 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: issue command: virtual_oss_enable="YES"
2021-05-18 16:04:41 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: issue command: sysrc virtual_oss_enable="YES"
2021-05-18 16:04:48 mzar then start the service
2021-05-18 16:05:58 CaptainDrewBoy done
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2021-05-18 16:06:02 CaptainDrewBoy yay
2021-05-18 16:06:07 CaptainDrewBoy now
2021-05-18 16:06:18 CaptainDrewBoy time to try switching to headphones
2021-05-18 16:07:04 CaptainDrewBoy So I've plugged in my headphones
2021-05-18 16:07:16 CaptainDrewBoy audio comes out of speakers still
2021-05-18 16:07:36 CaptainDrewBoy ...now what?
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2021-05-18 16:08:45 CaptainDrewBoy So sndstat now has 2 devices from virtualoss
2021-05-18 16:08:51 CaptainDrewBoy dsp and vdsp
2021-05-18 16:12:44 CaptainDrewBoy Well I found a couple of blog posts online
2021-05-18 16:12:48 CaptainDrewBoy Might as well try them
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2021-05-18 16:13:49 meka CaptainDrewBoy: virtual_oss operates on real hardware, that's why you have two dsp's
2021-05-18 16:14:30 meka also, virtual_oss won't switch to headphones automatically, you need another virtual_oss_cmd command (similar to what mzar said)
2021-05-18 16:14:41 CaptainDrewBoy I know I need a command
2021-05-18 16:14:48 CaptainDrewBoy I just don't know what it IS
2021-05-18 16:14:53 meka ah
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2021-05-18 16:15:16 meka let me check
2021-05-18 16:15:59 meka virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -O /dev/dsp0 (as mzar wrote, just replace /dev/dsp0 with proper device)
2021-05-18 16:16:10 CaptainDrewBoy And uh
2021-05-18 16:16:14 meka also, cat /dev/sndstat
2021-05-18 16:16:27 CaptainDrewBoy I posted the results of that further up
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2021-05-18 16:16:29 CaptainDrewBoy can repost
2021-05-18 16:16:37 CaptainDrewBoy https://bsd.to/LHVW
2021-05-18 16:16:38 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/LHVW (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 16:16:45 meka ah thanx
2021-05-18 16:16:57 CaptainDrewBoy the output is the same with and without headphones
2021-05-18 16:17:03 CaptainDrewBoy which is annoying
2021-05-18 16:17:14 CaptainDrewBoy makes me worry FreeBSD is just not picking them up
2021-05-18 16:17:16 meka headphones are connected to usb audio?
2021-05-18 16:17:27 meka I mean, what jack type it is?
2021-05-18 16:17:56 CaptainDrewBoy audio jack?
2021-05-18 16:18:00 meka yes
2021-05-18 16:18:09 CaptainDrewBoy uhh
2021-05-18 16:18:09 mzar pluging/unplugging jack won't switch anything
2021-05-18 16:18:28 CaptainDrewBoy golden pointy jack
2021-05-18 16:18:33 CaptainDrewBoy it sticks out
2021-05-18 16:18:37 meka ah, ok
2021-05-18 16:18:56 CaptainDrewBoy I am not really knowledgable on hardware, sorry
2021-05-18 16:19:05 meka no problem, we'll get there
2021-05-18 16:19:33 meka ok, so those headphones are not being detected by OS and that's to be expected
2021-05-18 16:20:11 kiwiirc with zfs and nvme, opinions on running direct i/o instead of buffered?
2021-05-18 16:20:41 CaptainDrewBoy So the issue isn't switching
2021-05-18 16:20:52 CaptainDrewBoy It's noticing the headphones in the first place
2021-05-18 16:20:53 CaptainDrewBoy I see
2021-05-18 16:21:17 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: it's even better, you can switch by hand
2021-05-18 16:21:44 CaptainDrewBoy okay
2021-05-18 16:22:56 meka if you execute sysctl hw.snd.verbose=2, then cat /dev/sndstat has more info which means you can see which pcm device has which dsp device
2021-05-18 16:25:00 CaptainDrewBoy wow that is VERY verbose
2021-05-18 16:25:06 CaptainDrewBoy let me pop this in bsd.to
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2021-05-18 16:28:07 CaptainDrewBoy uhh
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2021-05-18 16:28:19 CaptainDrewBoy The output is too big for me to manually copy and paste...
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2021-05-18 16:28:38 CaptainDrewBoy xterm doesn't play nice with scrolling and selecting at the same time
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2021-05-18 16:29:01 meena cool… after a reboot nullfs mount between two jails no longer works
2021-05-18 16:31:27 CaptainDrewBoy https://bsd.to/1PLC
2021-05-18 16:31:28 CaptainDrewBoy there
2021-05-18 16:31:28 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/1PLC (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 16:32:02 CaptainDrewBoy piped it to a file then used opened it and used featherpad's "select all" feature
2021-05-18 16:32:13 CaptainDrewBoy probably a better way to do it but whatever
2021-05-18 16:32:46 meena well, to be fair the dataset is jailed in one of the jails…
2021-05-18 16:34:22 meena do… do i have to share this via NFS?
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2021-05-18 16:39:48 CaptainDrewBoy meka the verbode cat is just above
2021-05-18 16:39:49 meka CaptainDrewBoy: I expect /dev/dsp0 are your speakers, /dev/dsp1 headphones, but I can't be more helpful
2021-05-18 16:40:00 CaptainDrewBoy oh funny timing
2021-05-18 16:40:02 CaptainDrewBoy okay
2021-05-18 16:40:07 CaptainDrewBoy that is a huge help
2021-05-18 16:40:09 CaptainDrewBoy thanks
2021-05-18 16:40:16 CaptainDrewBoy (no sarcasm intended)
2021-05-18 16:40:16 meka you're welcome
2021-05-18 16:40:56 CaptainDrewBoy BOOM
2021-05-18 16:40:59 CaptainDrewBoy HEADPHONES
2021-05-18 16:41:00 CaptainDrewBoy WORKING
2021-05-18 16:41:16 CaptainDrewBoy virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -O /dev/dsp1
2021-05-18 16:41:20 CaptainDrewBoy is all I needed
2021-05-18 16:41:32 CaptainDrewBoy so I need to do a command to switch but whatever
2021-05-18 16:41:39 CaptainDrewBoy I'll create an alias to make it easy
2021-05-18 16:41:44 CaptainDrewBoy same ffor going back to speakers
2021-05-18 16:42:17 CaptainDrewBoy virtual_oss_cmd /dev/vdsp.ctl -O /dev/dsp0
2021-05-18 16:42:21 CaptainDrewBoy switches back to speakers
2021-05-18 16:42:38 CaptainDrewBoy I freakin' love the FreeBSD community man
2021-05-18 16:42:43 CaptainDrewBoy so helpful
2021-05-18 16:42:54 meka CaptainDrewBoy: you can use rc.conf for default configuration and virtual_oss_cmd for switching
2021-05-18 16:43:34 CaptainDrewBoy yes I have the commands for switching to and from speakers sussed out now
2021-05-18 16:44:16 meka CaptainDrewBoy: https://bsd.to/aDQc
2021-05-18 16:44:17 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/aDQc (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 16:44:20 meka that's my config
2021-05-18 16:44:27 dkeav nice
2021-05-18 16:44:40 dkeav also, yoink
2021-05-18 16:45:39 CaptainDrewBoy unfortunately my headphones don't seemed to be affected by changes to the vol stream in mixer
2021-05-18 16:45:46 CaptainDrewBoy only my speakers are affected
2021-05-18 16:46:06 meka virtual_oss_ctl -f /dev/vdsp.ctl
2021-05-18 16:46:12 meka check it out
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2021-05-18 16:46:28 meka if you don't have that command, it's in the packages with the same name
2021-05-18 16:46:45 sig_9 someone trying Bluetooth ?
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2021-05-18 16:47:21 CaptainDrewBoy no they are wired headphones
2021-05-18 16:47:38 CaptainDrewBoy And it's almost fully sorted (thankfully)
2021-05-18 16:48:01 sig_9 ok cool. about 2 weeks ago I did a ton of bluetooth studying and perfected it here on my machines.
2021-05-18 16:48:24 meka sig_9: also virtual_oss related?
2021-05-18 16:48:31 CaptainDrewBoy meka what IS this criss cross of lines?
2021-05-18 16:48:54 CaptainDrewBoy oh I didn't scroll down
2021-05-18 16:48:59 CaptainDrewBoy there seems to be volume control
2021-05-18 16:49:07 sig_9 yes
2021-05-18 16:49:18 sig_9 connect first with hccontrol then virtual_oss
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2021-05-18 16:49:39 chriswells0 I'd love to get Bluetooth working...
2021-05-18 16:49:48 sig_9 you got time?
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2021-05-18 16:50:02 CaptainDrewBoy Even though this laptop has bluetooth I have no bluetooth devices to use on it, ha
2021-05-18 16:50:02 chriswells0 Yeah, let's do it.
2021-05-18 16:50:10 sig_9 ok
2021-05-18 16:50:13 sig_9 /msg me
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2021-05-18 16:50:45 meka sig_9: I think it would be really nice if you could write it down somewhere (I for start would like it to be in the handbook)
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2021-05-18 16:51:13 CaptainDrewBoy Is there a way to increase the volume with a command instead of opening the gui?
2021-05-18 16:51:28 meka CaptainDrewBoy: I don't know
2021-05-18 16:52:10 debdrup CaptainDrewBoy: can I ask you to use your enter button more sparingly? When you write in that style of stream-of-conciousness (from about an hour and ten minutes ago), it becomes difficult to follow even just one thing, let alone if there are multiple conversations going on.
2021-05-18 16:53:34 CaptainDrewBoy Sorry, I shall try to be a bit more considerate... please accept my most sincere apologies
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2021-05-18 16:53:45 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: use mixer command
2021-05-18 16:54:01 mzar mixer(8)
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2021-05-18 16:56:41 CaptainDrewBoy That's the thing - these headphones are not affected by any streams of mixer (I assume this is a virtual_oss thing).
2021-05-18 17:00:19 CaptainDrewBoy I also can't use virtual_oss commands as the default command (yet not the service) complains about cuse still. It truly is bizzare. Anyhow, I can just stick to using the GUI for changing my headphones volume for now - at least they work!
2021-05-18 17:00:41 mzar CaptainDrewBoy: try: mixer -f /dev/mixer{0,1,2,3} vol|rec 0..100
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2021-05-18 17:04:03 CaptainDrewBoy https://bsd.to/wjGj
2021-05-18 17:04:04 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/wjGj (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 17:04:44 mzar hm... one by one, and it's not rec but mic
2021-05-18 17:05:27 mzar for example mixer -f /dev/mixer1 vol 100 or mixer -f /dev/mixer3 mic 89
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2021-05-18 17:09:01 CaptainDrewBoy It seems to be mixer1 - now I can just bind a keyboard shortcut to change the mixer1 stream! Thank you so much
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2021-05-18 17:09:31 mzar nice, so the issue solved ?
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2021-05-18 17:10:16 CaptainDrewBoy Yes - my headphones work and I can set up shortcuts and aliases to make using them easier. You've all been an amazing help!
2021-05-18 17:10:37 mzar cool, thanks for the feedback
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2021-05-18 17:25:00 debdrup Oh neat, crm got their libmixer(3) project accepted as a GSoC. That's 2 projects I've had a hand in making happen.
2021-05-18 17:25:13 debdrup A small hand, mind you.
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2021-05-18 17:26:12 CaptainDrewBoy Well done! In FOSS software, it's good to contribute, even if it's small.
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2021-05-18 17:27:33 meka debdrup: can I read more about libmixer idea (I'm kinda guessing what it is based on name :o)?
2021-05-18 17:27:54 kiwiirc debdrup making you the goto guy for hand jobs?
2021-05-18 17:28:30 debdrup kiwiirc: HA!
2021-05-18 17:28:47 debdrup Well, you're gonna have to at least take me out to dinner and treat me nicely first. :P
2021-05-18 17:28:57 debdrup Even I have standards.
2021-05-18 17:29:36 meka debdrup: is this it https://git.christosmarg.xyz/libmixer/files.html ?
2021-05-18 17:29:38 VimDiesel Title: Files - libmixer - Experimental sound mixer library for FreeBSD (at git.christosmarg.xyz)
2021-05-18 17:30:06 debdrup meka: libmixer(3) is moving everything in mixer(8) into a library that mixer(8) is just using as a front-end, so third-party tools can utilize all the features of the FreeBSD mixer without having to do it through the commandline.
2021-05-18 17:30:10 debdrup Yep, that's it.
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2021-05-18 17:30:38 meka I am so glad so many devs work on audio. Eternaly grateful!
2021-05-18 17:30:40 debdrup It's basically the equivalent of libifconfig or libbe.
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2021-05-18 17:31:23 debdrup meka: there's been a lot of people working on audio over the years, it's good to have people working on it again.
2021-05-18 17:31:27 meka I started developing a DAW in the similar maner: lib for engine, app for gui/tui
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2021-05-18 17:31:48 meka debdrup: I know, those oss device drivers didn't write them selves :o)
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2021-05-18 17:32:35 debdrup Luici Rizzo is still somewhat involved with FreeBSD, I think. Cameron Grant passed away (RIP), Ariff Abdullah is MIA. So it's good that there are people picking up the mantle.
2021-05-18 17:32:40 meka What I'm trying to say is that I'm really glad how nice audio on freebsd is becoming
2021-05-18 17:33:40 mzar but it works excellent except some new HW
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2021-05-18 17:34:11 debdrup There's hardly any new audio hardware being made, so that's not really much of a problem. :P
2021-05-18 17:34:43 debdrup Most of what's being made works over snd_uaudio(4)
2021-05-18 17:35:00 meka mzar: I can not agree more, as reason I switched from linux is because audio worked better (for home recording studio, that is)
2021-05-18 17:35:50 mzar meka: interesting story, do you find virtual_oss_ctl usueful ?
2021-05-18 17:36:06 meka mzar: oh yeah!
2021-05-18 17:36:30 meka especially for monitoring, as few versions back, virtual_oss didn't have compressor
2021-05-18 17:36:47 meka I contributed some compressor code, but then hans wrote it properly
2021-05-18 17:37:01 meka so now monitoring levels is really helpful
2021-05-18 17:37:38 debdrup meka: how'd you like to write something for the handbook about that? I can help get it commited. ;)
2021-05-18 17:37:54 mzar I am not fully familiar with this yet
2021-05-18 17:38:12 meka debdrup: to be honest, when I presented audio @ fosdem, somebody aproached and sugested that, so shame on me for not doing it sooner :o)
2021-05-18 17:38:47 meka but, I sent a review to fix some developer side documentation (I had to play with oss a lot in order to be sure about what I write)
2021-05-18 17:39:05 meka debdrup: sorry for long anser, but yes, I would love to do that
2021-05-18 17:39:13 debdrup meka: the documentation then was docbook sgml, now it's asciidoctor ;)
2021-05-18 17:39:25 debdrup it's _considerably_ easier, basically plaintext with a bit of light formatting.
2021-05-18 17:39:47 meka debdrup: I know and I know there's some helper for that (something online)
2021-05-18 17:40:03 meka I haven't looked closely, I just skimmed through mailing list emails
2021-05-18 17:40:29 debdrup There are probably WYSIWYG editors for asciidoctor, yeah.
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2021-05-18 17:42:05 meka debdrup: I suppose I should start with https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/fdp-primer/doc-build/ ?
2021-05-18 17:42:06 VimDiesel Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 5. The FreeBSD Documentation Build Process (at docs.freebsd.org)
2021-05-18 17:43:03 debdrup meka: the FDP in general is a good place to start, as well as #bsddocs on EFnet for questions.
2021-05-18 17:44:55 meka debdrup: good to know, thanx!
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2021-05-18 17:49:21 ceri meka: we will also take plain text and mark it up for you
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2021-05-18 17:51:16 meka ceri: the leas I can do is mark it up, but I really apreciate the offer!
2021-05-18 17:51:24 meka s/leas/least/
2021-05-18 17:51:53 debdrup In general, I think I'd prefer to say that we'll help you with doing the markup, rather than actively doing it for people.
2021-05-18 17:52:00 meka debdrup: my znc connecting to efnet is quirky: https://bsd.to/O840
2021-05-18 17:52:01 VimDiesel Title: dpaste/O840 (Plain Text) (at bsd.to)
2021-05-18 17:52:12 debdrup meka: *shrug*
2021-05-18 17:52:19 debdrup irssi works fine for me.
2021-05-18 17:52:40 kiwiirc im trying weechat
2021-05-18 17:53:22 meka I'm trying port 7000 with ssl, but I guess all is public anyway :o)
2021-05-18 17:53:44 ceri yeah, but I'll happily take good content and mark it up over no content. personally :D
2021-05-18 17:54:14 ceri meka: but you doing it sounds better ;-p
2021-05-18 17:54:29 meka ceri: I know what you mean :o)
2021-05-18 17:54:37 debdrup kiwiirc: it's not a competition to have the best client.
2021-05-18 17:55:06 debdrup ceri: so when you say we, you mean you. :)
2021-05-18 17:55:35 meka debdrup, ceri I'll probably have to leave it for the weekend as I'm late @ work, but I'll ping you when I have something
2021-05-18 17:56:07 ceri debdrup: :D
2021-05-18 17:56:08 debdrup meka: no need to ping me, just leave it in the channel and I'll most probably see it.
2021-05-18 17:56:16 kiwiirc ya i know. https://github.com/shabble/irssi-docs/wiki/Roadmap https://weechat.org/dev/roadmap/
2021-05-18 17:56:18 VimDiesel Title: WeeChat :: development :: roadmap (at weechat.org)
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2021-05-18 17:56:25 kiwiirc obviously no competition
2021-05-18 17:56:27 meka debdrup: ok, cool
2021-05-18 17:56:30 debdrup kiwiirc: nobody cares.
2021-05-18 17:56:40 kiwiirc debdrup k sorry just sharing info
2021-05-18 17:56:55 debdrup It's not at all relevant.
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2021-05-18 18:08:26 kiwiirc can fgrep be used to search files for '\r\n'?
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2021-05-18 18:17:29 kiwiirc ah ya
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2021-05-18 19:31:49 kiwiirc can `find * -type f -exec bash -c 'tail -c1 -- "$0" | wc -l' {} \;` be changed to only output the file path for files where wc -l is 0? im basically trying to find any files that don't have a newline
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2021-05-18 20:14:31 dvl at https://www.freshports.org/x11/kde5/#packages if you hover over one of the cells in the packages table, you get a popup. I want that to be in monospace font. Any ideas how to structure that css please?
2021-05-18 20:14:32 VimDiesel Title: FreshPorts -- x11/kde5: KDE Plasma Desktop and Applications (current) (at www.freshports.org)
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2021-05-18 20:20:53 dvl I mean the popup from the title attribute.
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2021-05-18 20:27:08 dvl Oh... Just told: "you cannot style that with CSS — that is set by your browser/OS combination"
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2021-05-18 20:34:10 chriswells0 I have a Bluetooth device (2, actually) that appears to connect (shows up in read_connection_list), but it doesn't exit pairing mode and I can't get sound out of it. Any advice for what to try?
2021-05-18 20:34:48 chriswells0 This is the command I'm running: sudo hccontrol -n ubt0hci create_connection 1c:52:16:64:4b:e4 && sudo virtual_oss
2021-05-18 20:34:49 chriswells0 -C 2 -c 2 -r 48000 -b 16 -s 768 -R /dev/null -P /dev/bluetooth/1c:52:16:64:4b:e4 -d dsp
2021-05-18 20:35:33 chriswells0 That's one line, of course. Copy/paste error.
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2021-05-18 21:28:08 parv dvl: re cannot style popup via CSS: Poppycock! See for example: https://www.webfx.com/blog/images/assets/downloads.sixrevisions.com/css-tooltips/index.html -- I am going to try in Stylus, a Firefox extension ...
2021-05-18 21:28:09 VimDiesel Title: ToolTips Example (at www.webfx.com)
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2021-05-18 21:34:13 parv dvl: Oh never mind; that was incorrect. The webfx URL sets actual CSS class & :hover action; does not modify the browser generated ones.
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2021-05-18 21:52:39 parv dvl: If you are using Firefox, see if the Javascript method mentioned helps any: https://www.reddit.com/r/FirefoxCSS/comments/dwpykf/problems_with_styling_tooltips/?sort=old
2021-05-18 21:52:40 VimDiesel Title: Problems with styling tooltips : FirefoxCSS (at www.reddit.com)
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2021-05-19 00:09:05 moon-child what's the deal with pcc? It is packaged, but it doesn't play nicely with the system headers (or, to be precise, the system headers do not play nicely with it)
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2021-05-19 01:35:27 Gud Good morning all
2021-05-19 01:35:56 Gud Does anyone know if there exists a simple feature/bug tracker in ports for the cli, for solo projects
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2021-05-19 01:40:14 moon-child afaik fossil has a bug tracker
2021-05-19 01:40:32 moon-child it depends on what your needs are; for a solo project, a simple text file ought to work well enough
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2021-05-19 01:56:19 epony Gud, something like taskworrior can be used too
2021-05-19 01:56:55 epony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taskwarrior
2021-05-19 01:56:56 VimDiesel Title: Taskwarrior - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2021-05-19 01:58:04 epony this is part of Emacs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Functionality
2021-05-19 01:58:05 VimDiesel Title: Org-mode - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2021-05-19 01:59:38 lts- Thanks for taskwarrior tip. I've used a todo.txt for years but that looks like it could remove some pain
2021-05-19 02:05:18 koobs tw is pretty cool
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2021-05-19 02:13:07 ghoti Hiya. I have a kvm vps at a provider who agreed to attach a FreeBSD ISO for me. I've done my install, but I don't have a way to detach the ISO from their control panel. What do I do in the boot loader to boot the HD instead of the CD? And can I store that setting so I can leave the ISO around for emergency use?
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2021-05-19 02:14:16 koobs ghoti: does vps provider provide console to set boot order?
2021-05-19 02:14:58 ghoti koobs: alas, no. That would make things easy. :)
2021-05-19 02:15:14 koobs ah :)
2021-05-19 02:15:42 koobs https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/boot/
2021-05-19 02:15:44 VimDiesel Title: The FreeBSD Project | Chapter 13. The FreeBSD Booting Process (at docs.freebsd.org)
2021-05-19 02:15:46 koobs 13.2.1. The Boot Manager
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2021-05-19 02:16:01 koobs Refers to boot0cfg(8)
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2021-05-19 02:17:53 koobs see also: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?boot(8)
2021-05-19 02:17:54 VimDiesel Title: FreeBSD Manual Pages (at www.freebsd.org)
2021-05-19 02:18:03 ghoti koobs: if the vps is booting from the cd first, then I would think that I am out of luck with boot0 configuration. When the CD boots, I have the option to drop into the loader, where I can see that I have 'cd' and 'disk0p1' and friends.
2021-05-19 02:18:44 koobs thats probably the case
2021-05-19 02:19:27 ghoti So I *think* what I am asking for is help to tell loader to drop the kernel it has in mind to load, and load disk0p1:/boot/kernel instead.
2021-05-19 02:20:18 koobs mm that sounds like its the case
2021-05-19 02:21:15 koobs i think thats going to be boot.config
2021-05-19 02:21:18 koobs Use the /boot.config file to set the default configuration options for
2021-05-19 02:21:20 koobs the boot block code.
2021-05-19 02:21:34 koobs https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=boot.config
2021-05-19 02:21:35 VimDiesel Title: boot.config (at www.freebsd.org)
2021-05-19 02:21:44 koobs make it boot off whatever device you want
2021-05-19 02:21:58 koobs no?
2021-05-19 02:24:24 koobs brb
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2021-05-19 02:30:49 Gud epony: that looks great, exactly what I'm looking for
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2021-05-19 02:48:36 epony nice
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2021-05-19 03:57:37 y2k :x
2021-05-19 03:57:40 weust ok, we get it...
2021-05-19 03:57:40 wilbury :-D
2021-05-19 03:57:46 y2k hehehe
2021-05-19 03:58:09 y2k can you make sure he got it?
2021-05-19 03:58:13 @koobs no, cs is lagging
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2021-05-19 04:06:35 ghoti koobs: hello again. :) So .. getting to the point that I can change boot.config is still an issue. From the loader, `show` tells me that 'currdev=cd0:', but if I `set currdev=disk0p1:', then `ls` returns "open '/' failed: no such file or directory".
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2021-05-19 04:06:59 @koobs uh.
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2021-05-19 04:36:57 michalz hello. I have a question about sound. I have to make videoconferencing in work regulary. The problem is that mic (usb card) is too quiet. Is it possible to use virtual-oss to make mic louder?
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2021-05-19 04:40:35 weust isn't that more a gain thing?
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2021-05-19 04:48:36 y2k michalz: i use a (usb card) Focusrite Scarlett Solo + DSBMixer for vol control and all works perfect. But like weust says. looks more like gain issue. Check your config and use a mixer for vol control to check if all is ok.
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2021-05-19 04:49:32 weust iirc the default gain value is rather low. but I've also read about USB mic that it needs almost max gain. been a while, but I ran into that issue too.
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2021-05-19 04:49:45 weust New work laptop arriving today so giving it another go today or tomorrow.
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2021-05-19 04:53:21 y2k weust: Yes, i run with the same problem at the first time with Focusrite card. So the Mixer help me out to check the vol on that mic. Because was very low, i guess is set like that on default config
2021-05-19 04:53:51 weust y2k: yeah, it is
2021-05-19 04:55:07 y2k Now all work perfect with the Scarlett Solo card.
2021-05-19 04:55:48 weust I only have a USB mic....
2021-05-19 04:57:27 y2k i don't like USB mic. if i can get one with out sound card is going to be a mini jack mic
2021-05-19 04:58:05 y2k but this is just me! :)
2021-05-19 04:59:01 weust the one I have works great under Windows, and a coworker uses the same model with Linux. it's just FreeBSD that's a but of a pain.
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2021-05-19 05:06:34 weust also, my Audio-GD has no Mic input
2021-05-19 05:06:51 y2k I never try a USB Mic, so don't know much about it. But i run Micro Tie with mini jack (integrated pc sound card) and with the Scarlett Solo i got a T.Bone SC 400 run with XLR-3 Canon, and the issue in the 2 configs was the low vol set on config, so the mixer help me out to check that and all fix.
2021-05-19 05:07:12 weust aha
2021-05-19 05:07:44 weust I also need to keep in mind that my work laptop is just that. a work laptop. I don't carry my DAC/Headphone amp with me all the time. It weighs 8.5 Kilo...
2021-05-19 05:08:00 y2k true :D
2021-05-19 05:08:30 weust Even my Burson Autio Playmate isn't easy to carry around. So nice for working from home, but that is it.
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2021-05-19 05:15:29 BraveheartBSD I'm just using old school, lol. Line out to pre-amp, 31 band stereo equalizer into a 400 watt per channel power amp.
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2021-05-19 05:20:21 weust equalizer even :P
2021-05-19 05:21:55 BraveheartBSD I know, I like the 'warm' sound of older analogue stuff.
2021-05-19 05:22:59 weust That is why I have teh Audio-GD R28. R@R Ladder DAC
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2021-05-19 05:24:34 weust s/R@R/R2R
2021-05-19 05:26:30 BraveheartBSD Tascam pre amp, Yamaha EQ, Roland amp. Jamo speakers cost more than everything.
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2021-05-19 05:50:29 Gud
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2021-05-19 05:50:57 -- Mode #freebsd [-oo VimDiesel debdrup] by debdrup
2021-05-19 05:53:19 y2k =_=
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2021-05-19 06:00:28 -- ChanServ has changed topic for #freebsd from "FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE is out! Pastebin: https://bsd.to | Have fun, be civilized, respect each other | On-topic conversations only, otherwise: #freebsd-social | For abuse reports/help: #freebsd-irc | Other FreeBSD channels: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Channels/topic | We are monitoring and preparing for any issues that may arise on the freenode IRC network." to "Welcome to the day after yesterday! | Have fun, be civilized, respect each other | Argue responsibly: http://cerebralarcade.com/2014/11/09/how-to-argue-responsibly/ | We are monitoring and preparing for any issues that may arise on the freenode IRC network."
2021-05-19 06:00:34 @debdrup argh
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2021-05-19 06:16:48 lts- Poor ChanServ
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2021-05-19 08:17:16 CosmicDJ https://fuchsnet.ch/freenode-resign-letter.txt that doesn't sound good regarding freenode...
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2021-05-19 09:16:43 Schamschula A couple of days later, the puzzle of why my server wanted to install samba412 is solved: a new build dependency for libsoup. Fortunately, I can turn it off.
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2021-05-19 09:21:00 zykotick9 Schamschula: I'm currently trying to figure out why samba412 is not building in poudriere for me. Seems I have 4 other packages (in addition to libsoup) that rely on samba.
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2021-05-19 09:25:08 mzar good bye debdrup
2021-05-19 09:25:15 mzar good bye FreeNode
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2021-05-19 09:26:49 FUZxxl see ya
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2021-05-19 09:40:50 dvl What is this 'freenode irc network situation'?
2021-05-19 09:41:02 FUZxxl drama
2021-05-19 09:41:13 FUZxxl some dude conned the freenode people into handing over the domain name
2021-05-19 09:41:27 FUZxxl and now tries to unilaterally dictate policy, claiming to be the "freenode board"
2021-05-19 09:41:33 FUZxxl people are having none of it
2021-05-19 09:41:40 href https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bdd66b8f491 this resignation letter has some background
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2021-05-19 09:52:52 mvanbaak FUZxxl: nobody 'conned'. This is the guy who bought freenode some time ago
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2021-05-19 09:54:03 FUZxxl mvanbaak: he "conned" freenode in that it was not meant to be a purchase of the network proper
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2021-05-19 09:55:05 mvanbaak yeah, well, him being the same guy as PIA should have made it clear that this was going to happen one day
2021-05-19 09:55:28 mvanbaak PIA being Private Internet Access
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2021-05-19 09:55:54 epony Why was it sold out?
2021-05-19 09:56:45 FUZxxl idiots
2021-05-19 09:57:32 kfv And if many staff are resigning, perhaps we should move as well (to have their back as they had for long) - dunno where though since it seems admins haven't yet come to a decision, it might be libera? OFTC? ...
2021-05-19 09:57:49 kfv epony: money?
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2021-05-19 09:58:07 kfv or maybe, more money.
2021-05-19 09:58:12 href it's also not PIA
2021-05-19 09:58:16 href Lee sold PIA a year or so ago
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2021-05-19 09:58:24 FUZxxl kfv: how about hackint?
2021-05-19 09:58:27 AndrewBC if you want swedish "formal governance" of mostly the same staff, libera is for you. OFTC is nice.
2021-05-19 09:58:31 lts It seems to be Libera. The exodus is having momentum already
2021-05-19 09:58:35 AndrewBC http://kline.sh/
2021-05-19 09:58:36 VimDiesel Title: freenode now belongs to Andrew Lee, and I'm leaving for a new network. (at kline.sh)
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2021-05-19 09:59:08 AndrewBC What'd they think they were selling exactly?
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2021-05-19 10:00:35 kfv FUZxxl: I haven't ever been in hackint, so have no idea. I would like OFTC, but as I'm seeing a lot moving to libera, I just created an account and have joined the #freebsd and #c channel to see if anything happens.
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2021-05-19 10:03:27 FUZxxl ok
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2021-05-19 10:21:15 triaxx echo "bin" | LANG=en_US awk '$1 ~ /^[\t -~]/ {print $0}'prints bin but echo "bin" | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 awk '$1 ~ /^[\t -~]/ {print $0}' does not
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2021-05-19 10:21:33 triaxx Is it a bug? Or a wanted behavior?
2021-05-19 10:22:20 triaxx [:alpha:] is not matched in ' -~' by awk with utf-8 locales
2021-05-19 10:26:30 pstef_ C.UTF-8 seems ok
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2021-05-19 10:34:29 triaxx pstef_: Interesting. For instance, en_US.UTF-8, de_DE.UTF-8 and fr_FR.UTF-8 do not work
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2021-05-19 10:58:37 @debdrup Why highlight me.
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2021-05-19 11:00:43 kfv Who? mzar? maybe he did so as a sign of respect?
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2021-05-19 11:19:26 deko did the freebsd list server change its sender address today? used to be owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org, now it seems to be freebsd-current+bounces-...
2021-05-19 11:19:52 kiwiirc freenode got taken over lol
2021-05-19 11:20:05 kiwiirc so awesome that an irc network that didn't let channels get taken, got taken
2021-05-19 11:20:19 kiwiirc hopefully it never recovers and everyone goes back to efnet
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2021-05-19 11:39:14 Cyberpower678 Just want to know, is this channel planning on moving over to libera.chat, given the Freenode hostile takeover happening now?
2021-05-19 11:39:14 @debdrup deko: the list infrastructure moved from mailman2 to mlmmj (because mailman3 isn't an alternative).
2021-05-19 11:39:47 @debdrup Cyberpower678: if indeed freenode implodes, we're ready for that contingency.
2021-05-19 11:40:06 Cyberpower678 debdrup: what is the contingency, so I know to go there if it happens?
2021-05-19 11:40:07 Cyberpower678 :-)
2021-05-19 11:41:39 @debdrup Cyberpower678: #freebsd on libera.chat is registered to a freebsd project member, and the entire #freebsd namespace is reserved in services.
2021-05-19 11:42:27 Cyberpower678 Sweet. Good to know
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2021-05-19 11:50:02 jeffpc debdrup: ooh! I don't see any obvious docs on mlmmj's website about migrating from mailman; do you have any pointers?
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2021-05-19 11:52:04 @debdrup jeffpc: it wasn't me that did the migration, so no :)
2021-05-19 11:52:18 * debdrup is not a part of postmaster@
2021-05-19 11:52:42 jeffpc fair enough :)
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2021-05-19 11:58:24 ghoti Is boot0 available if I boot from the ISO?
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2021-05-19 11:59:17 @debdrup boot0 as in the ~520 byte assembly code?
2021-05-19 11:59:20 FUZxxl ghoti: what do you mean by "available"
2021-05-19 11:59:26 FUZxxl it's there in /boot if you need it
2021-05-19 12:00:03 ghoti I've got a kvm vps booting the ISO, and I can get to loader, but I don't know how to boot the hard drive from there. I know how to do it from boot0 or boot2. The better question is "how to I change boot devices from the loader" I guess.
2021-05-19 12:00:24 FUZxxl ghoti: do you just get a command prompt?
2021-05-19 12:00:31 ghoti "OK "
2021-05-19 12:00:37 FUZxxl ah yes
2021-05-19 12:00:41 FUZxxl that's a forth prompt
2021-05-19 12:00:49 FUZxxl it works the same as in the TUI boot loader
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2021-05-19 12:01:17 @debdrup FreeBSD ISO files are cd9660 filesystems with a hybrid of joilet and regular IA32 boot block
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2021-05-19 12:01:27 ghoti I see that I can `lszfs` my dataset from there, but if I `set currdev=disk0p1` I am unable to see any files.
2021-05-19 12:01:38 @debdrup FUZxxl: it's probably the Lua loader ;)
2021-05-19 12:01:50 FUZxxl debdrup: does that have an OK prompt, too?
2021-05-19 12:01:56 FUZxxl surprising
2021-05-19 12:01:58 ghoti FreeBSD becomes a minetest addon... ;)
2021-05-19 12:02:01 @debdrup FUZxxl: it's made to be bug-for-bug compatible
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2021-05-19 12:03:08 ghoti If I have completed an install, should it be possible to change my boot device from the loader prompt so I can bring the system up multiuser, even if my startup procedure is manual for now?
2021-05-19 12:03:43 ghoti I'm using 13.0, fwiw.
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2021-05-19 12:04:08 FUZxxl it should be possible
2021-05-19 12:04:23 ghoti Okay, I will continue barking up this tree then. :)
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2021-05-19 12:13:48 @AllanJude ghoti: yes, currdev has to end in a :
2021-05-19 12:13:51 @AllanJude to be valid
2021-05-19 12:14:07 @AllanJude and for zfs, would be: currdev=zfs:pool/dataset:
2021-05-19 12:14:14 @AllanJude not a partition
2021-05-19 12:14:38 @AllanJude make sure the zfs kernel module is loaded too, else you'll get stuck at the mountroot prompt, with no zfs driver
2021-05-19 12:16:24 Ltning Not strictly FreeBSD, but .. Is a wildcard (*.domain.com) in a DNS answer valid? So if I ask for foo.domain.com, and the response says *.domain.com A 1.2.3.4, is that a valid response?
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2021-05-19 12:17:04 href I... don't think so.
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2021-05-19 12:19:06 ghoti AllanJude: THAT WORKED! Thank you so much.
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2021-05-19 12:20:00 ghoti At least, it got me to a "mountroot>" prompt. More reading to do now. :)
2021-05-19 12:20:14 @AllanJude Ltning: not that I can see
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2021-05-19 12:20:46 ceri Ltning: I think it's valid in a zone file, yes. In a response, I am not so sure.
2021-05-19 12:20:47 @AllanJude examples: *.videocdn.scaleengine.net in bind results in: foobar.videocdn.scaleengine.net. 299 IN CNAME fmt1-04.videocdn.scaleengine.net.
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2021-05-19 12:21:06 @AllanJude and w/ Amazon Route53 or whatever: foobar.geekshed.net. 299 IN A 50.56.86.206
2021-05-19 12:21:11 ceri Ltning: RFC 4592 has more detail than I care to read if you want to go looking
2021-05-19 12:21:18 Ltning What I'm asking is if it's "correct" that unbound will ignore a response that has '*.domain.com' in the question-section
2021-05-19 12:21:21 @AllanJude so, the answer looks to usually be to the question you asked
2021-05-19 12:21:30 @AllanJude although, ic an see why having * might allow you to cache the wildcard...
2021-05-19 12:21:35 @AllanJude but, that seems dangerous
2021-05-19 12:21:43 @AllanJude since it could mask things that the wildcard doesn't apply to
2021-05-19 12:21:58 @AllanJude in the question section...
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2021-05-19 12:22:32 @AllanJude if you literally 'drill \*.videocdn.scaleengine.net', you do get that in the answer
2021-05-19 12:22:32 @AllanJude ;; ANSWER SECTION:
2021-05-19 12:22:33 @AllanJude *.videocdn.scaleengine.net. 299 IN CNAME fmt1-04.videocdn.scaleengine.net.
2021-05-19 12:22:49 Ltning "host foo.callback.3dsecure.io" gives me no answers, but if I append 8.8.8.8 there I do get an answer
2021-05-19 12:23:19 Ltning But if I wait a bit and try again, it starts giving responses with foo.callback.3dsecure.io in the 'question' section rather than *.callback...
2021-05-19 12:25:23 ceri i don't know what unbound does. bind is fine with it
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2021-05-19 12:38:37 ghoti AllanJude: I'm up and running now, thanks to you. If I wanted to have a rescue process for a kvm vps that I have console access to, should I perhaps cut my own modified ISO with a vfs.root.mountfrom pointing to my hard disk?
2021-05-19 12:38:41 ghoti That would use the CD as my boot loader, with manual intervention to get the livecd.
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2021-05-19 13:01:46 @AllanJude that is one option I guess, but, you can always just press 3 at the boot menu, and type 'set vfs.root.mountfrom='
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2021-05-19 13:01:57 @AllanJude but generally, vfs.root.mountfrom defaults to whatever currdev was in the loader
2021-05-19 13:02:05 @AllanJude so inless you have some bogus line in /boot/loader.conf
2021-05-19 13:02:09 @AllanJude it shouldn't need setting
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2021-05-19 13:58:06 echoSMILE kiwiirc: so awesome that an irc network that didn't let channels get taken, got taken
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2021-05-19 13:58:34 echoSMILE ^
2021-05-19 13:58:47 styledash rip the freenode dream
2021-05-19 13:58:58 styledash this would have never happened if stallman was still alive 😏
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2021-05-19 14:01:31 @daemon the staff will soon sort that out, while freenode remains there is a log of who owns what :)
2021-05-19 14:02:01 @daemon in a week or two it will be simply like the domainname changed
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2021-05-19 14:04:24 ish Not really a FreeBSD question, but I bet some people here have thoughts on this.. We're upgrading our system to we use to generate release tarballs of a project (Linux). Just by updating autoconf/automake, we appear to be generating Makefiles that no longer build on FreeBSD without gmake.. Is it a known thing for autotools to introduce gmake'isms, even when we're carefully to manually not introduce them?
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2021-05-19 16:42:09 fireglow ash13: nice :)
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2021-05-19 17:11:04 sig_9 are the 64bit freebsd iso's "multi-catalog" disk images?
2021-05-19 17:13:58 ash13 @fireglow, You may do it too :) `calendar -f calendar.all | grep -i unix`
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2021-05-19 17:14:51 ash13 @fireglow, May 19 UNIX is 10000 days old, 1997
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2021-05-19 17:15:04 fireglow that's nice, thanks :) woo
2021-05-19 17:15:34 @debdrup ash13: for what it's worth, the @nick syntax isn't a thing on irc - tab completion can usually be accomplished by typing part of a nick then pressing tab, and your client should complete the nick and attach a : or a , to it.
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2021-05-19 17:17:38 ash13 debdrup, Ouch... I'm sorry, my twitter habit...
2021-05-19 17:18:15 @debdrup ash13: no worries, just thought I'd mention it.
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2021-05-19 17:49:04 YWH_1 Free node has been taken over by a Donald Trump Supporter see slashdot.org
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2021-05-19 17:50:27 xtao interesting take on it :)
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2021-05-19 17:51:37 sig_9 and
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2021-05-19 17:53:28 iulian115c :)
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2021-05-19 17:55:01 ek Haha.
2021-05-19 17:55:35 ek sig_9: Many people are jumping ship to Libera.
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2021-05-19 17:56:22 ek (not specifically because he's a Trump supporter)
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2021-05-19 17:58:23 * ghoti tunes in to the currently freenode schmozzle thanks to the /topic
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2021-05-19 17:58:39 * mvanbaak hands ghoti the popcorn
2021-05-19 17:59:44 ek ghoti: Ditto
2021-05-19 17:59:56 _xor What's this?
2021-05-19 17:59:58 * _xor googles
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2021-05-19 18:01:08 ek Essentially, FreeNode has been taken over in a hostile manner.
2021-05-19 18:01:35 _xor Yeah, wiki has a section for it. Reading it now.
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2021-05-19 18:01:38 ek According to Fuchs' info, anyway.
2021-05-19 18:02:10 drakonis well...
2021-05-19 18:02:29 ghoti There are quite a few posts in quite a few places, it seems. The boingboing article gives some background.
2021-05-19 18:02:29 @debdrup Hasn't happened yet.
2021-05-19 18:02:30 drakonis not just fuchs
2021-05-19 18:02:41 drakonis there's a lot of posts by opers
2021-05-19 18:02:42 @debdrup Staff has resigned, the hostile takeover hasn't.
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2021-05-19 18:04:44 ghoti .. This has been a long time in the works, hasn't it? I mean, even I read somewhere that Cristel had sold her part of Freenode to Andrew Lee years ago..
2021-05-19 18:05:47 _xor If the network does get switched, I'm assuming someone will promptly update freebsd.org to list the new info?
2021-05-19 18:06:28 CrtxReavr A sizable #freebsd channel already exists on libera.
2021-05-19 18:07:01 RypPn something wrong with efnet?
2021-05-19 18:07:21 mvanbaak for some of 'my' channels/companies I did add libera to our matterbridge setup to link libera and freenode
2021-05-19 18:07:24 ghoti A split home is like having two default routes. If libera is safe from drama, might it not be best simply to make that official, given the unknowns associated with FN?
2021-05-19 18:07:25 mvanbaak works like a charm
2021-05-19 18:07:32 mvanbaak tip for freebsd ?
2021-05-19 18:08:15 @debdrup _xor: it's on my TODO list, yes.
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2021-05-19 18:08:45 @debdrup ghoti: apparently the details of the deal weren't public or known to the staff, so who knows.
2021-05-19 18:09:24 @debdrup RypPn: some people don't like it, apparently. *shrug*
2021-05-19 18:09:47 @debdrup ghoti: no network is safe from drama, as every network includes humans.
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2021-05-19 18:10:51 mvanbaak we should switch to skynet
2021-05-19 18:10:55 ek drakonis: No, no. Not just Fuchs. I was just referring to his info.
2021-05-19 18:11:06 drakonis ah right.
2021-05-19 18:11:20 _xor I got dibs on /nick jconner
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2021-05-19 18:14:39 RhodiumToad efnet seems to lack the reliability
2021-05-19 18:14:46 FUZxxl I'm a fan of hackint
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2021-05-19 18:15:17 @debdrup RhodiumToad: no network has reliability, though.
2021-05-19 18:15:42 ek ^^ This
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2021-05-19 18:16:46 echoSMILE RhodiumToad: https://delta.chat
2021-05-19 18:16:48 VimDiesel Title: The e-mail messenger - Delta Chat (at delta.chat)
2021-05-19 18:17:05 echoSMILE not group chat tho.
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2021-05-19 18:17:30 @debdrup ..so why bring it up?
2021-05-19 18:17:41 mvanbaak telegram groups
2021-05-19 18:17:42 RhodiumToad my experience is that freenode has been far more reliable
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2021-05-19 18:18:30 echoSMILE debdrup: could be possible to implement group on it and be "reliable"
2021-05-19 18:18:47 RhodiumToad I just tried to reconnect my efnet client which had disconnected, found that it would not connect to the host it had been connected to before, and had to try 3 hostnames to find one that apparently worked
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2021-05-19 18:19:27 @debdrup echoSMILE: that's a good joke.
2021-05-19 18:19:53 @debdrup One of the hallmark features of irc is that it's time insensitive, almost no other protocol offers this.
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2021-05-19 18:20:20 echoSMILE debdrup: "could be possible"
2021-05-19 18:20:23 echoSMILE :P
2021-05-19 18:20:44 @debdrup Not sure what your point is..
2021-05-19 18:20:46 _xor I remember a lot of netsplits on efnet the last time I was on there regularly (which was years ago).
2021-05-19 18:20:55 echoSMILE my point is: email rocks for life
2021-05-19 18:21:08 @debdrup Email isn't a mass-communication protocol.
2021-05-19 18:21:39 @debdrup Field Of Dreams is broadly regarded as a fallacy, too.
2021-05-19 18:21:42 mvanbaak email is awesome, but it is something totally different from IRC
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2021-05-19 18:22:03 @debdrup Email has strengths and weaknesses, just like everything else.
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2021-05-19 18:22:44 mvanbaak indeed. email and IRC live together. One is not a replacement for the other
2021-05-19 18:22:51 echoSMILE :P
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2021-05-19 18:27:00 Plazma is there a reason http://pkg.freebsd.org/FreeBSD:12:amd64/ and other mirrors are giving 403 forbidden? and not working when trying to update a package?
2021-05-19 18:27:01 VimDiesel Title: Index of /FreeBSD:12:amd64/ (at pkg.freebsd.org)
2021-05-19 18:27:38 xtao they've been forbidden for quite a while for doing an index listing, but should be able to still fetch the repo files
2021-05-19 18:28:15 Plazma hmm
2021-05-19 18:28:52 Plazma was set default to quarterly and when i go to try to install perl-5.32.0 it seems to fail and says it's not found
2021-05-19 18:28:56 xtao creating the index to display used a lot of CPU apparently so they disabled the index. but pkg should still be able to fetch the packages and manifest
2021-05-19 18:28:58 Plazma and the 403 made me think that was something else
2021-05-19 18:29:01 @debdrup Plazma: the index generation is a considerable amount of load for the amount of files in each directory, and to top it all off it was consuming a considerable amount of IOPS.
2021-05-19 18:29:07 Plazma ahh fair enough
2021-05-19 18:29:11 @debdrup If you want the direct link to the files, it's still possible to geti t.
2021-05-19 18:29:12 Plazma pypi did similar i think
2021-05-19 18:29:13 @debdrup get it*
2021-05-19 18:29:27 @debdrup You can grab the packagesite.txz file and find the relative file paths there.
2021-05-19 18:29:42 Plazma i just want pkg install perl5-5.32.0 to work :P
2021-05-19 18:30:06 @debdrup It's possible perl failed to build, did you check https://portsfallout.com
2021-05-19 18:30:07 VimDiesel Title: Dashboard - FreeBSD pkg-fallout (at portsfallout.com)
2021-05-19 18:30:09 RhodiumToad what happened when you tried?
2021-05-19 18:30:27 @debdrup Also, did you make sure do do pkg update -f first?
2021-05-19 18:30:35 RhodiumToad a failure to build perl would leave much of the repo missing
2021-05-19 18:30:47 Plazma let me see
2021-05-19 18:30:49 xtao it's perl5-5.32.1_1 on latest but i don't know about quarterly
2021-05-19 18:30:50 @debdrup That it would.
2021-05-19 18:31:38 Plazma ahh update-f works
2021-05-19 18:31:39 Plazma update -f
2021-05-19 18:31:55 @debdrup According to https://www.freshports.org/lang/perl5.32, the latest available on quarterly for the freebsd:12:amd64 ABI is 5.32.1_1
2021-05-19 18:32:40 @debdrup Yeah, pkg will cache things locally to prevent the mirrors from being hammered, so the first thing to try when something doesn't work is pkg update -f.
2021-05-19 18:32:54 Plazma ahh awesome
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2021-05-19 18:33:56 RhodiumToad pkg update -f seems to be required far more often than is reasonable
2021-05-19 18:34:04 Plazma oh dear i fucked this perl up,
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2021-05-19 18:34:20 Plazma Cwd.c: loadable library and perl binaries are mismatched (got handshake key 0xc680080, needed
2021-05-19 18:34:23 Plazma 0xfc00080)
2021-05-19 18:34:29 Plazma when trying to do some cpan stuff or use a irssi script
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2021-05-19 18:34:43 @debdrup RhodiumToad: really? Maybe I'm not using pkg often enough to notice, because it doesn't happen too often for me.
2021-05-19 18:35:34 _xor I do it everytime now after having more than one instance where the fix was to force-update it. I'm also using a local repo though, so not hammering any pub services.
2021-05-19 18:36:15 _xor Hmm, get check-sanity on devel/libsoup |
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2021-05-19 18:37:08 xtao i update things daily and when i used the freebsd repo i had to use -f or it wouldn't do anything. don't have that problem on my own repo. i assume it probably uses http cache headers and last-modified etc. to determine if it needs to refresh or not
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2021-05-19 18:41:54 @debdrup I'm curious, why do you update that often?
2021-05-19 18:43:46 echoSMILE What about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_and_Free_Technology_Community ?
2021-05-19 18:43:47 VimDiesel Title: Open and Free Technology Community - Wikipedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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2021-05-19 19:07:33 Plazma well damn i got perl5 upgraded to the latest and now cpan is broken : Cwd.c: loadable library and perl binaries are mismatched (got handshake key 0xc680080, needed
2021-05-19 19:07:36 Plazma 0xfc00080)
2021-05-19 19:08:36 RhodiumToad did you upgrade all the modules too?
2021-05-19 19:08:49 Plazma i ahve no idea
2021-05-19 19:09:16 Plazma i just installed perl5-32 package
2021-05-19 19:09:28 RhodiumToad what other p5-* packages do you have installed?
2021-05-19 19:09:51 Plazma hmm
2021-05-19 19:09:55 Plazma let me try to figure out how to see that
2021-05-19 19:10:13 RhodiumToad pkg info 'p5-*'
2021-05-19 19:11:37 mvanbaak I read that as 'pkg info ps5-*'
2021-05-19 19:11:45 Plazma RhodiumToad: there are a few installed
2021-05-19 19:11:55 mvanbaak and for a moment I wondered if there was a freebsd image for playstation 5
2021-05-19 19:11:56 RhodiumToad you likely need to upgrade them
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2021-05-19 19:12:05 mvanbaak I should sleep
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2021-05-19 19:14:14 _xor Heh, I remember when Cell was supposed to be the next big CPU and talks of them releasing their port.
2021-05-19 19:14:34 _xor I think that was right around the time with Transmeta too? I remember reading interviews where Linus was hyping them up.
2021-05-19 19:15:32 mvanbaak yeah
2021-05-19 19:15:45 mvanbaak the ps3 was actually a pretty ok machine
2021-05-19 19:16:23 mvanbaak there even was a company that threw a lot of them into a rack in the datacenter, installed linux, and resold them as ps3hosting
2021-05-19 19:16:30 mvanbaak you could host your website on a ps3
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2021-05-19 19:18:10 anth I’ve been trying to figure out what to do with my PS3…
2021-05-19 19:18:42 mvanbaak put it on top of loose paper so it wont fly around your room when you open the window
2021-05-19 19:19:14 mvanbaak or, as I did, put it into the 'look all my gaming stuff' display closet behind the glass door
2021-05-19 19:19:16 @debdrup _xor: What? Transmeta and Cell are like a decade apart.
2021-05-19 19:19:57 _xor Wasn't it early-to-mid 2000s?
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2021-05-19 19:21:07 Plazma RhodiumToad: so it's just Cwd and it's when i try to use cpan -r
2021-05-19 19:21:28 RhodiumToad is Cwd installed by pkg, or did you install it directly via cpan?
2021-05-19 19:21:45 RhodiumToad because in the latter case it would not have been upgraded
2021-05-19 19:21:46 Plazma oh hold on
2021-05-19 19:22:15 RhodiumToad hm, there doesn't seem to be a Cwd port
2021-05-19 19:22:23 @debdrup _xor: there's half a decade between them being released, and approximately the same time between them in development.
2021-05-19 19:22:43 @debdrup There's quite a bit of confusion about the Cell CPU, because not all of it was ever available.
2021-05-19 19:22:51 Plazma RhodiumToad: i thought it was in PathTOols which i just installed via pkg
2021-05-19 19:22:57 RhodiumToad Cwd is supposed to be installed by perl5 itself
2021-05-19 19:23:00 _xor I remember they developed it with IBM and they fabed it.
2021-05-19 19:23:07 Plazma RhodiumToad: yea
2021-05-19 19:23:20 RhodiumToad if you have a stray copy of Cwd.so from somewhere else, that could explain it
2021-05-19 19:23:27 _xor Btw, anyone have any suggestions on a lua-based build system?
2021-05-19 19:23:41 _xor (Not a build tool that builds lua projects, but one that uses lua to script building projects in general)
2021-05-19 19:24:06 Plazma RhodiumToad: well i have multiple versions of perl on this machine, apparenlty
2021-05-19 19:25:42 RhodiumToad from packages or just random files?
2021-05-19 19:26:00 Plazma i think form packages
2021-05-19 19:26:22 @debdrup _xor: there's SMT CPU with two threads at 3.3GHz and 8 slower cores that are essentially SIMD units with 256kB SRAM that's accessible through a register file.
2021-05-19 19:26:40 @debdrup Unless you're doing very specific workloads or designing software to be run on the PS3, you're not going to get very much out of it.
2021-05-19 19:26:59 _xor Yeah, I was just remembering.
2021-05-19 19:27:28 _xor I also remember seeing a "debate" about export controls for it, talking about how it was good for making guided missiles, etc.
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2021-05-19 19:28:03 @debdrup The SIMD units aren't even visible to the dual-thread PowerPC CPU that's the main CPU.
2021-05-19 19:28:28 @debdrup There's also an AltiVec unit in it.
2021-05-19 19:28:52 @debdrup Its pipeline is also considerably longer than the ones we have today.
2021-05-19 19:29:04 _xor Ah yeah I do remember altivec being on it because there were discussions about utilizing it for a project (3d software renderer)
2021-05-19 19:29:28 @debdrup The XBox360 used much the same CPU, but with 3 threads instead of 2.
2021-05-19 19:29:43 echoSMILE not mine but to share: https://vermaden.wordpress.com/freebsd-desktop/
2021-05-19 19:29:44 VimDiesel Title: FreeBSD Desktop | 𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚗 (at vermaden.wordpress.com)
2021-05-19 19:29:47 @debdrup The main problem is that OtherOS never had access to the framebuffer.
2021-05-19 19:29:53 _xor Heh, last time I wrote any code for Xbox, it was running Coppermine.
2021-05-19 19:30:30 @debdrup CellOS was very tightly controlled by a hypervisor OS that's never really been known much about, if memory serves.
2021-05-19 19:31:10 @debdrup CellOS being the FreeBSD/NetBSD thing that preceeds OrbisOS on the PS4.
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2021-05-19 19:33:13 @debdrup Anywho, bed.
2021-05-19 19:35:43 @debdrup _xor: speaking of Transmeta, though - I still want an Efficeon.
2021-05-19 19:37:59 @debdrup A very small number of TM8820s at 1.7GHz were released, and it's basically the holy grail for me.
2021-05-19 19:39:02 iulian115c In SYINIT(9) says "This is similar to init and fini routines", what are those, there is a man page for them?
2021-05-19 19:39:57 iulian115c I tried man -k, but i'm not get anything useful.
2021-05-19 19:40:22 RhodiumToad shared libraries in user space can have _init and _fini functions that are called on load and unload
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2021-05-19 19:42:36 iulian115c <RhodiumToad>: thank you!
2021-05-19 19:44:58 iulian115c and i guess that for a single shared library there si a single _init and _fini function unlike SYINITs.
2021-05-19 19:45:01 Plazma RhodiumToad: ayy yea i so i got rid of cpan libs and it works
2021-05-19 19:45:06 iulian115c am i right?
2021-05-19 19:45:44 RhodiumToad iulian115c: well, it's a bit more complicated than that
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2021-05-19 19:46:17 myrkraverk What is the maximum username length in FreeBSD?
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2021-05-19 19:46:29 myrkraverk I don't find it in man pw, nor man 5 passwd; which I find weird.
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2021-05-19 19:49:26 RhodiumToad getconf LOGIN_NAME_MAX
2021-05-19 19:50:06 RhodiumToad the terminating null is _included_ in that limit (which is why it's 33 and not 32)
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2021-05-19 19:53:25 myrkraverk thanks.
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2021-05-19 19:56:22 RhodiumToad that's the posix-approved method for finding the limit, the actual definition in freebsd is MAXLOGNAME in sys/param.h
2021-05-19 19:57:28 RhodiumToad it's not conditional, so it's not expected to be overridden anywhere
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2021-05-19 19:59:42 myrkraverk Right. Though in a portable program, I can /reasonably?/ just use the value of sysconf( _SC_LOGIN_NAME_MAX ), I guess.
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2021-05-19 20:01:06 myrkraverk For sanitizing usernames from external sources.
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2021-05-19 20:05:27 RhodiumToad that would be the approved method, yes
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2021-05-19 20:10:11 iulian115c <RhodiumToad>: I try to find out the difference between SYSINIT and modeventhand_t evhand;(wich i think is the equivalent of module_init/module_exit in Linux)
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2021-05-19 20:10:56 iulian115c do you know something that can help me to clarify this aspect?
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2021-05-19 20:14:51 RhodiumToad modeventhand_t is per module; I think a .ko file might contain multiple (or possibly no) modules
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2021-05-19 20:15:29 RhodiumToad modeventhand_t also handles events other than load and unload
2021-05-19 20:15:30 BigKnife SYSINIT is a bit lower level, it's like a __ctor__ function
2021-05-19 20:15:39 BigKnife whereas SYSUNINIT is just a __dtor__
2021-05-19 20:16:23 BigKnife module_t's are registered via a SYSINIT, then the kernel linker explicitly goes and invokes the MOD_LOAD event on each module handler after they have all been registered
2021-05-19 20:17:02 BigKnife the main difference really is that a module event handler can revoke kldunload
2021-05-19 20:17:14 BigKnife by returning an error from MOD_QUIESCE (only blocks a normal unload)
2021-05-19 20:17:23 BigKnife or from MOD_UNLOAD (fails even a forced kldunload)
2021-05-19 20:17:43 BigKnife whereas SYSINITs/SYSUNINITs cannot fail and must always be safe to run
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2021-05-19 20:25:56 @koobs morning
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2021-05-19 20:41:38 sysadmin ATTENTION: This channel will be terminated. Any nicks remaining in the channel will also be terminated. This action cannot be undone.
2021-05-19 20:43:34 -- Mode #freebsd [+b $a:sysadmin] by koobs
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2021-05-19 20:44:53 Tabmow It's a shame what is happening to freenode... and it seems like the trolls are hitching their bandwagons
2021-05-19 20:45:03 @zi efnet++
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2021-05-19 20:45:58 Tabmow It's been a while since I've been over there...
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2021-05-19 21:04:01 @zi still exists!
2021-05-19 21:04:25 RhodiumToad for some value of "exists"
2021-05-19 21:04:32 @zi true story
2021-05-19 21:04:37 @zi has been shrinking for many moons
2021-05-19 21:04:56 ptx0 yup
2021-05-19 21:05:05 RhodiumToad I lurk there some of the time, but getting and keeping a reliable connection seems tricky from here
2021-05-19 21:05:07 ptx0 people are hopping over to the new network and claiming big channel names
2021-05-19 21:05:27 ptx0 also nicknames of people who were well known here
2021-05-19 21:05:34 ptx0 it's a big security fuck-up
2021-05-19 21:05:52 * RhodiumToad claimed his own nick
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2021-05-19 21:09:30 @zi RhodiumToad: yea, server pool has also been shrinking
2021-05-19 21:11:17 Tabmow zi: for what it's worth, I remember you and a few others :P
2021-05-19 21:11:31 @zi hah
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2021-05-19 21:15:53 @zi RhodiumToad: could try efnet.deic.eu; not sure.
2021-05-19 21:16:03 RhodiumToad that's what I'm on now
2021-05-19 21:16:35 @zi big change between today and a decade ago
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2021-05-19 21:21:44 fireglow every time I look into the mirror, yes
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2021-05-19 21:23:10 @zi thosd are just lines of wisdom!
2021-05-19 21:23:17 @zi s/thosd/those/
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2021-05-19 21:31:20 fireglow hehe!
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2021-05-19 23:04:06 R2COM so I was thinking to run son proprietary EDA soft on FreeBSD, and then I was like.. no screw that
2021-05-19 23:04:33 R2COM since that stuff also can run on win10, and since that stuff is proprietary and closed for me... then why would I contaminate my FreeBSD machine
2021-05-19 23:04:42 R2COM ill just run that garbage on win10
2021-05-19 23:05:15 R2COM same goes with PDF... one viewer I REALLY liked is Foxit, I use it on win10... it has linux version...but then again i gotta bring linuxulator to my system
2021-05-19 23:05:52 R2COM reason i liked that soft is it has good commenting tools.... (still cant find SIMPLE pdf viewer for BSD which has BASIC commenting tools: highlight, line, circle draw etc..nothing fancy)
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2021-05-19 23:20:32 R2COM so is there as of today reasonably simple pdf viewer for freebsd which has basic markup tools? (none of popular ones have it...they are bare viewers, and I dont wanna install something with >1GB dependence on KDE or stuff)
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2021-05-19 23:23:50 @koobs R2COM: can any of the browser ones markup?
2021-05-19 23:24:00 R2COM i dont think so?
2021-05-19 23:25:02 @koobs iirc mozilla uses pdfjs
2021-05-19 23:25:02 R2COM i really love zathura... but man...couldnt they just implement basic markup... that would complete that app
2021-05-19 23:25:07 @koobs and that supports annotations and markup?
2021-05-19 23:25:27 @koobs might be worth finding the pdf libs that support it
2021-05-19 23:25:31 @koobs then the projects that use that lib
2021-05-19 23:25:47 @koobs github search for 'pdflibname'
2021-05-19 23:25:50 R2COM it cant markup
2021-05-19 23:25:52 @koobs might come up with projects that use it
2021-05-19 23:26:12 R2COM iv been looking all over i couldnt find anything reasonable
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2021-05-20 02:57:21 dch I ran `vmstat -o` a while ago, it still hasn't finished.
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2021-05-20 02:57:57 dch running it on a smaller box, it appears to dump (among other things) a list of every vn (vnode I guess) that the kernel knows about.
2021-05-20 02:58:35 dch in hindsight this is not what I wanted, and possibly needs some sort of warning in the manpage if this command is literally going to take an hour or more
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2021-05-20 03:22:11 dch ok I received a panic for my sins of running that.
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2021-05-20 04:16:50 zs0lt OA
2021-05-20 04:16:50 zs0lt OA
2021-05-20 04:16:50 zs0lt OA
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2021-05-20 04:18:10 nomad_fr hi
2021-05-20 04:18:25 nomad_fr since this morning after a pkg upgrade I have this in a jail
2021-05-20 04:18:35 nomad_fr ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/libexec/mysqld: Undefined symbol "memalign@FBSD_1.6"
2021-05-20 04:18:49 nomad_fr it look like an unfinished freebsd-upgrade
2021-05-20 04:19:19 FUZxxl oh no
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2021-05-20 04:35:16 weust anyone happen to run a Lenovo T14 Gen 1 laptop? booting the installer hangs at hwpstate_intel0, the Intel Speed Shift stuff
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2021-05-20 04:50:45 weust odd. I set hwpstate_intel.0.disabled="1" on the boot loader prompt and it still loads Intel Speed Shift on boot?
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2021-05-20 05:17:51 weust ah, did need hint. in front of it. thought I tried that before and wasn't accepted
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2021-05-20 05:22:15 @debdrup ah you forgot hint.? :)
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2021-05-20 05:33:47 weust yeah, I tried it with at first and got a message saying it wasn't something. forgot what. setting it without is just accepted
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2021-05-20 05:34:33 weust sadly it's not just the installer in this laptop's case. need it in loader.conf for now
2021-05-20 05:35:07 weust but can use powerdxx then
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2021-05-20 05:44:07 @debdrup hints go in /boot/device.hints
2021-05-20 05:45:20 weust makes sense. I was following https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253288 and people there mention it in /boot/loader.conf
2021-05-20 05:46:10 @debdrup i mean, they'll get parsed in /boot/loader.conf just fine, but /boot/device.hints is where they're meant to go
2021-05-20 05:46:33 @debdrup a lot of people also stick values that belong in /etc/sysctl.conf in /boot/loader.conf for reasons that i'm not entirely sure about
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2021-05-20 05:46:53 @debdrup lol, eir got spliat.
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2021-05-20 05:49:52 weust hehe I do try to put stuff in the right places. but lack of knowledge is there too
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2021-05-20 05:51:20 weust bit odd that /boot/device.hints is a read only file then
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2021-05-20 05:53:12 @debdrup it's not: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/etc/mtree/BSD.root.dist#n6
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2021-05-20 05:54:17 weust according to vim and checking the file with ls on the fresh installation it is
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2021-05-20 05:55:46 weust -r--r--r-- on /boot/device.hints
2021-05-20 05:56:52 @debdrup I don't know why it would be, the .hints file at https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/sys/amd64/conf is the source and it's read-write for root.
2021-05-20 05:58:05 weust so I can safely do a chmod 755 on that file then?
2021-05-20 05:58:35 @debdrup i'd probably just make it read-writable by root/wheel and leave it readable by others
2021-05-20 05:58:37 weust according to the BSD.root.dst link
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2021-05-20 06:00:34 weust alright. done
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2021-05-20 06:17:15 tehpwnz hello FreeBSD people, I have lost my ssh keys to one host, the system crashed unexpectedly. That host is on digitalocean. I have booted into the host via recovery, so the fs is read-only. I can see the authorized_keys on the host. Is it possible to copy those keys and put them on my host so I can ssh into the droplet again? is there any way?
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2021-05-20 06:17:58 tehpwnz hmmm, I didn't phrase that correctly. The droplet never crashed, what crashed was my local system
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2021-05-20 06:41:34 Xiatian does FreeBSD support the AMD SP5100 TCO hardware watchdog timer? web search does not help much
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2021-05-20 09:22:32 ash13 tehpwnz, authorized_keys contains only public parts of ssh keypairs. and there is no way to regenerate private part from public one.
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2021-05-20 09:33:22 weust perhaps mount rw and create a new ssh keypair?
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2021-05-20 09:50:50 CyberCr33p If some knows what is wrong with these steps https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=255748#c5 let me know
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2021-05-20 10:09:07 CyberCr33p I think I forgot to delete a file
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2021-05-20 10:19:11 AndrewBC Xiatian, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222079
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2021-05-20 10:39:36 Xiatian AndrewBC: hmm that is Intel; I have AMD Jaguar
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2021-05-20 10:44:06 AndrewBC Hrmmm
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2021-05-20 11:33:54 andreas303 Hi folks! Has anyone here tried https://github.com/Sec42/freebsd-remote-crypto and succeeded with it, on FreeBSD 12 or 13?
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2021-05-20 11:47:01 andreas303 When I've installed freebsd-remote-crypto and booted, I don't have any IP address. So I assumed it was because of a problem with dhclient. When I ran "dhclient em0", I got two error messages: 1. "Cannot open or create pidfile: No such file or directory", but that error messages disappeared after I created the directory that the default pidfile is created in. 2. "no such user: _dhcp, falling back
2021-05-20 11:47:03 andreas303 to "nobody". no such user: nobody. exiting". In /etc/passwd there is only one user: root. Why doesn't dhclient by default run under the user who executes it? Why does it expect a user "_dhcp" and fallback to user "nobody" and exit when user "nobody" does not exist? Is this standard behavior of dhclient?
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2021-05-20 12:19:06 TheBeastie andreas303: only root entry in /etc/passwd ???
2021-05-20 12:20:30 andreas303 TheBeastie: Yes, on the minimal UFS partition that is used to unlock the disks and switch root (with "reboot -r", I suppose). On the normal installation, I guess it's a more "normal" FreeBSD installation.
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2021-05-20 12:20:48 andreas303 TheBeastie: Have you tried https://github.com/Sec42/freebsd-remote-crypto?
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2021-05-20 12:23:19 andreas303 TheBeastie: To me, it feels intuitive to only have the "root" account on such a partition, but it seems that dhclient excepts either user "_dhcp" or "nobody". I don't understand why dhclient can't be satisfied with the user "root".
2021-05-20 12:23:41 TheBeastie then probably you need to create manually the user _dchp
2021-05-20 12:23:59 andreas303 TheBeastie: ...and I don't understand why dhclient isn't run automatically when booting that UFS partition...
2021-05-20 12:24:53 andreas303 TheBeastie: Hmm, yes, but now I suspect that maybe https://github.com/Sec42/freebsd-remote-crypto? assumes a static IP for the minimal UFS partition. Have you used it before?
2021-05-20 12:24:58 TheBeastie andreas303: probably the program is setuid root to allocate a raw socket... and then switches to a normal user to avoid security problems.... as the user doesn't exist... it just exits.
2021-05-20 12:25:16 TheBeastie a passwd file without the normal system accounts is quite rare.
2021-05-20 12:26:14 TheBeastie imho, the problem is in your /etc/passwd file.
2021-05-20 12:27:05 TheBeastie running as root is something you should avoid as much as you can.... this is why the dhclient program tries to change id.
2021-05-20 12:27:35 andreas303 TheBeastie: Yes, but for a minimal UFS partition that is only intended to accept an SSH connection to take a password to unlock the rest of the partitions, it feels quite intuitive. I would like to test to run dhclient under root, but I can't find any information about how to make dhclient run under root. Do you know any way to make dhclient run as root?
2021-05-20 12:28:10 andreas303 TheBeastie: Though, I agree that running as root is to be avoided.
2021-05-20 12:28:14 TheBeastie well... you seem to know your problem better than me.... just go ahead.... don't touch your /etc/passwd and look elsewhere.
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2021-05-20 12:29:35 TheBeastie and you are protecting that with a user+password ???
2021-05-20 12:29:36 andreas303 TheBeastie: Actually, I don't know my problem so well at all, so I appreciate any feedback. :)
2021-05-20 12:29:50 TheBeastie don't you use public key security?
2021-05-20 12:30:41 TheBeastie then try to continue from dhclient... provide it a _dhcp account (non privileged) so it can continue giving your system a dynamically managed ip address.
2021-05-20 12:30:48 andreas303 TheBeastie: I'm protecting the root account with password now when I just want to see if I can get the things up and running. When I see that things works, I will use public key security for SSH.
2021-05-20 12:31:08 andreas303 TheBeastie: OK. I will try it. Thanks!
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2021-05-20 12:31:35 TheBeastie then why not to test with the account _dhcp and if you finally think I'm wrong delete it?
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2021-05-20 12:32:35 andreas303 TheBeastie: I will do that. I don't have so many other ideas. :( I don't mean that I think you're wrong. :)
2021-05-20 12:32:38 TheBeastie it's my belief that dhclient doesn't use the raw socket until it has changed it's real and effective uid.
2021-05-20 12:32:57 andreas303 TheBeastie: Ah, OK. I didn't know that. But it sounds reasonable!
2021-05-20 12:32:57 TheBeastie I can look that in the source code (you can do it also)
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2021-05-20 12:35:30 TheBeastie just look in the source... it first gets the raw socket... as i told you... then it chroots.... then it sets the uid.... then it starts running.
2021-05-20 12:36:15 andreas303 TheBeastie: Sorry if I appeared rude. It was not my intention. :(
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2021-05-20 12:40:18 TheBeastie no.... don't apologize... I didn't think you were rude... just reluctanct to admit my theory.
2021-05-20 12:41:00 TheBeastie the program tries to find _dhcp in /etc/passwd to know the uid to switch to.... as it cannot... just prints an error and exits.
2021-05-20 12:41:31 TheBeastie (I answered you this, because this would be the behaviour dhclient should have should I have written it)
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2021-05-20 12:55:56 andreas303 TheBeastie: OK, yes, I will try your suggestion. Though, such steps are not mentioned in the documentation of https://github.com/Sec42/freebsd-remote-crypto?, which makes me suspect that dhclient is not meant to be used in that phase of the boot process, but rather that a static IP address is susposed to be used. However, I will try your suggestion.
2021-05-20 12:57:14 TheBeastie andreas303: you can tie yourself to the documentation, you are free :)
2021-05-20 12:58:22 RhodiumToad dhclient wants to run the actual network-communications part of itself under a nonprivileged user for security reasons
2021-05-20 12:58:51 andreas303 TheBeastie: :-)
2021-05-20 12:59:12 andreas303 RhodiumToad: OK, I see.
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2021-05-20 13:33:25 jmpp apologies if this is off-topic, but is this channel going to stay here on Freenode, after the recent events with the network, or move elsewhere?
2021-05-20 13:34:01 Dwarf jmpp: /topic
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2021-05-20 13:34:23 jmpp ah, thanks, didn't see it
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2021-05-20 15:45:41 SpaceBass I'm playing with FreeBSD on a raspberry 4 for the first time... cool that it works! But man are port complies REALLY slow
2021-05-20 15:45:45 SpaceBass 24+ hours for bind9
2021-05-20 15:49:00 zleap ouch
2021-05-20 15:49:10 zleap can you not cross compile on a faster computer ?
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2021-05-20 15:52:46 thorre SpaceBass: I think that there are pre-compiled packages for RELEASE
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2021-05-20 15:54:38 SpaceBass zleap, I get that cross compiling works in theory... but In practice I've never done it :)
2021-05-20 15:55:00 SpaceBass thorre, yeah there are packages but I need a specific option config'd in bind9 that the package doesn't have
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2021-05-20 15:55:20 gawen SpaceBass: it took way less time to compile /usr/src/sys on RPi 3 B+, but I did that over nfs, not the SD card
2021-05-20 15:55:26 thorre SpaceBass: Out of curiosity, what is the option?
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2021-05-20 15:56:22 SpaceBass Heimdal kerberos base
2021-05-20 15:56:36 SpaceBass Setting this Pi up as a domain controller for a remote site
2021-05-20 15:56:42 gawen btw isn't most of the compile time for bind9 dependencies, and not bind9 itself?
2021-05-20 15:56:53 SpaceBass gawen, seems that way
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2021-05-20 15:58:06 gawen I generally install most dep as packages, I know I shouldn't, but it saves a lot of time for only one particular port and one particular option
2021-05-20 15:58:53 SpaceBass Im actually not opposed - is there a command to dell make to install deps as pkgs?
2021-05-20 15:58:58 SpaceBass Or do you do it manually?
2021-05-20 16:00:22 gawen I do it manually, but it's probably possible to write a script
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2021-05-20 16:01:44 gawen I install mostly everything through packages but compile port when I need an option, or when an option would force a lot of dependencies like xorg
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2021-05-20 16:02:23 gawen then pkg lock <package>
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2021-05-20 16:06:28 SpaceBass Totally get the benefit
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2021-05-20 17:10:36 RhodiumToad SpaceBass: are you compiling with poudriere or directly?
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2021-05-20 17:19:58 echoSMILE "hw.acpi.video.lcd0.active: 0" The screen is supposed to be on with this conf?
2021-05-20 17:21:17 RhodiumToad does sysctl -d hw.acpi.video.lcd0.active shed any light on it?
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2021-05-20 17:21:35 RhodiumToad I would guess that active=0 means it's supposed to be off
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2021-05-20 17:23:08 echoSMILE is very on. with -d I just got " ...lcd0.active: currentl activity of this device"
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2021-05-20 17:38:50 @debdrup crest: can I ask you to join the bhyve zoom call to check whether my some tweaks I've made have made the audio stream not be choppy?
2021-05-20 17:40:41 @debdrup Err, nevermind. It doesn't seem like it's even working anymore.
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2021-05-20 17:47:43 coolvibe zoom? isn't jitsi a better idea? also works nice on FreeBSD by the way :)
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2021-05-20 17:48:14 @debdrup If I have a choice, I'll use Jitsi. Unfortunately I don't always have a choice.
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2021-05-20 17:53:33 gawen debdrup: choppy audio stream? had that with telegram and google meet but could not fix it, what tweaks did you do?
2021-05-20 17:54:10 @debdrup gawen: I haven't yet arrived at something that reliably works.
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2021-05-20 17:54:28 gawen ok
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2021-05-20 17:55:03 tuaris does freebsd include an rwhois server as part of base, or will that need to get installed from ports?
2021-05-20 17:55:18 @debdrup There are no remote tools left in the base system.
2021-05-20 17:55:31 @debdrup rsh, rlogin, rwhois, et cetera were all removed.
2021-05-20 17:55:46 RhodiumToad rwhois isn't in the same category as those others
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2021-05-20 17:56:07 @debdrup Well, it's not in base or provided by anything in ports, so *shrug*
2021-05-20 17:56:14 RhodiumToad afaik there was never a rwhois server in the base system
2021-05-20 17:56:53 @debdrup Oh, are we talking about referral whois?
2021-05-20 17:56:56 tuaris that's weird, maybe I'll try to make a port for http://projects.arin.net/rwhois/. That seems to be the only thing avaiable
2021-05-20 17:57:07 gawen debdrup: do you use snd_uaudio? when I investigated that was somewhat related as far as I remember
2021-05-20 17:57:23 @debdrup gawen: I do
2021-05-20 17:58:03 @debdrup My microphone is connected via a USB interface on my laptop.
2021-05-20 17:58:05 tuaris Oh, there was once a port: https://www.freshports.org/net/rwhoisd/
2021-05-20 17:58:18 @debdrup tuaris: time to resurrect it then?
2021-05-20 17:59:56 tuaris probably, the deprecation reason was due to "No more public distfiles", but I'm finding them just fine.
2021-05-20 17:59:56 @debdrup I also found out that despite chromium now supporting OSS, it doesn't enumerate audio devices like Firefox does, so you can't select an input device like Firefox can.
2021-05-20 18:01:31 gawen yeah, I've also seen that, and firefox doesn't support v4l as well as chromium
2021-05-20 18:02:00 @debdrup tuaris: are you finding official distfiles or archived ones? Because the latter doesn't really count, and if upstream doesn't provide distfiles it's probably pining for the fjords.
2021-05-20 18:02:23 @debdrup gawen: haven't had any problems with video, but my webcam only does 720p so that might be why.
2021-05-20 18:03:37 tuaris I'm finding them on what appears to be ARIN's github account
2021-05-20 18:03:43 tuaris https://github.com/arineng/rwhoisd/
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2021-05-20 18:08:32 @debdrup If it was me, I might try finding the person who expired it and talk with them first.
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2021-05-20 18:48:30 SpaceBass update.... RPI 4 still compiling bind9 hahah! ~32 hours and going
2021-05-20 18:49:14 ComCat moved to Libera.chat. Sponsors of Freenode are beginning to pull out, it is unknown for how long the freenode will be stable. Most channels, projects and users are now migrating to Libera. Libera is a registered non-profit organization with mitigations against this disaster happening ever again. Leaked chats showing disgusting intents and former devs that have worked with Mr.Lee before says that he's disorganized, dishonest and that they wish to
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2021-05-20 18:49:19 ComCat never work with him again (he managed to scam freenode out of our hands and he lied to the staffers). All officiall freenode channels are now currently under complete censorship. https://distfiles.dereferenced.org/stuff/nirvana-log.txt - https://paste.sr.ht/~ircwright/7e751d2162e4eb27cba25f6f8893c1f38930f7c4 - Please update your topic to point to the new server if you haven't done so already. This message is to inform the users about the
2021-05-20 18:49:24 ComCat situation if the topic is set already. Spread this message too.
2021-05-20 18:49:32 DrKK` yeah, so,
2021-05-20 18:49:32 NineX spacebass: you are really compiling on pi? i was always used cross compilation + distcc for that
2021-05-20 18:49:34 DrKK` I did that,
2021-05-20 18:49:39 DrKK` and went to #freebsd on libera,
2021-05-20 18:49:45 DrKK` and aside from Allanjude and myself,
2021-05-20 18:49:53 DrKK` the set of users seems to bear no resemblance
2021-05-20 18:49:55 DrKK` to here.
2021-05-20 18:52:26 mvanbaak I'm there
2021-05-20 18:53:08 RhodiumToad ComCat: fuck off with the spamming, everyone who cares already knows
2021-05-20 18:55:33 * RhodiumToad is also in the libera channel but isn't saying much
2021-05-20 18:56:53 NineX from my observatrion actually those "spam" is usable for people who are not observing.
2021-05-20 18:57:18 NineX paritally i am an victim here... someone registered my nick, which is also my brand for last 19 years...
2021-05-20 18:57:30 NineX i think however we have to ccalm down
2021-05-20 18:58:20 NineX just as a precaution i registered all my project channels and advertised to my users to keep sessions for booth networks for now. and lets see who gonna win that war.
2021-05-20 18:58:26 SpaceBass NineX, yeah, I think it's time for me to learn how to cross compile :)
2021-05-20 18:59:10 NineX spacebass: then byu more rpi , and setup distrcc cluster - this is fairly easy.
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2021-05-20 18:59:42 NineX i remember compilation of open office on gentoo on pentium 3 ;)
2021-05-20 18:59:46 NineX that took a week
2021-05-20 19:00:00 NineX damn how much time i had then....
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2021-05-20 19:08:17 SpaceBass Brutal!
2021-05-20 19:08:36 SpaceBass I think I had a similar experience with the enlightenment WM on a Pent 4
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2021-05-20 22:15:42 yetoo I'm running top with sudo via ssh. When I try to press arrow keys to scroll, I get command not found. Any suggestions
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2021-05-20 22:19:34 _xor lol
2021-05-20 22:19:38 _xor IRC drama
2021-05-20 22:21:08 _xor RhodiumToad: Which window manager do you use again? Also, do you tend to use emacs more in your terminal or gui?
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2021-05-20 22:29:28 RhodiumToad I almost never use emacs in terminal
2021-05-20 22:30:19 _xor Just curious. I'm in flux between vim/emacs & i3 (switched from kde). I tend to open multiple instances of vim, so I make use of tiling.
2021-05-20 22:30:36 _xor With emacs, obviously, better to have one instance going, so I'm just curious about different workflows wth emacs + a tiling wm.
2021-05-20 22:30:50 RhodiumToad you can open multiple frames from a single instance
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2021-05-20 22:30:54 * RhodiumToad often does
2021-05-20 22:30:55 _xor Yup
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2021-05-20 22:31:45 RhodiumToad you can also have multiple windows open tiled within one frame
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2021-05-20 22:32:46 _xor Referring to splits or something else that I don't know about?
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2021-05-20 22:33:06 _xor Oh nevermind, got confused by terminology.
2021-05-20 22:33:08 RhodiumToad windows can be split horizontally or vertically
2021-05-20 22:33:36 _xor When you say window, I assume you're referring to a defined view to display buffer(s).
2021-05-20 22:33:45 * _xor gets confused by the different terms between vim, emacs, vscode, etc.
2021-05-20 22:34:01 RhodiumToad in emacs terms, a window displays a buffer; what the window system calls a window is an emacs frame
2021-05-20 22:34:35 _xor Yup, just making sure I wasn't misinterpreting.
2021-05-20 22:34:52 RhodiumToad if you do much stuff with git, then be sure to check out magit
2021-05-20 22:35:06 _xor Yeah magit is nice, I have it installed.
2021-05-20 22:35:38 _xor I use fossil mostly aside from some external projects.
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2021-05-21 03:54:30 mitch0 fossil? eh...
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2021-05-21 04:24:01 weust I was hoping to use my new work laptop as a FreeBSD desktop but Intel Speed Shift isn't working for this 10th gen Intel CPU, and wifi isn't working at all. The latter isn't an issue when working from home still, but fan speed at max all the time because speed shift disabled is annoying :-(
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2021-05-21 04:25:46 aliss hello weust <3 Thanks for sharing and I'm sorry it's not working for you, here is a list of hardware and what you can more or less expect to work: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops
2021-05-21 04:26:28 weust aliss: I know what works. I have a 6th gen lenovo X1 Carbon which works fine. just seems this one is too new for FreeBSD
2021-05-21 04:26:36 aliss oh
2021-05-21 04:26:51 aliss yes, with FreeBSD you need to be a bit picky with hardware in my experience <3
2021-05-21 04:27:20 aliss most people I know just build their machines
2021-05-21 04:27:25 aliss have a lovely one!
2021-05-21 04:27:39 weust yeah. I dsiabled speed shift and was able to install and run the OS, and powerdxx works too, but somehow the temps are high anyway. read about that on bugzilla too. constant almost 47C
2021-05-21 04:27:55 weust I'm not gonna "build" a work laptop ;-)
2021-05-21 04:28:26 aliss I hope your temps issue gets fixed
2021-05-21 04:28:36 aliss hahaha yes, not build a work laptop
2021-05-21 04:28:39 aliss ;)
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2021-05-21 04:29:54 weust https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=253288
2021-05-21 04:31:40 weust VimDiesel doesn't work anymore?
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2021-05-21 04:41:26 parv Thanks, weust, for the PR URL.
2021-05-21 04:41:55 weust I'm adding my work laptop CPU there now. just as extra info, I hope
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2021-05-21 05:18:36 weust 032901
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2021-05-21 05:19:24 weust nice....
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2021-05-21 05:44:09 xtao at least it's something different now :)
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2021-05-21 05:48:47 weust :-)
2021-05-21 05:50:04 xtao i wonder how easy it is to brute force the secret based on knowing what the code was at that exact time. depends how many bits are in your secret i guess
2021-05-21 05:52:08 xtao which could be any number, so that's an added complication. although the default unless changed is usually about 40 on a lot of stuff
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2021-05-21 06:17:52 mvanbaak my battery is drained within the hour
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2021-05-21 07:27:01 Feigr anyone know any software for the terminal to draw diagrams using ascii? I need it to display an IF map, so just squares connected with straight lines
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2021-05-21 07:32:06 @debdrup Can you export it an image, then use libcaca?
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2021-05-21 07:34:35 Feigr debdrup: I don't have any diagram, I was looking at creating it as I went along
2021-05-21 07:35:39 @daemon Feigr, you could just use raw ascii, boot up ee or vi
2021-05-21 07:35:47 @daemon might be the fastest solution :P
2021-05-21 07:35:49 Feigr this seems to be something: https://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/12/how-to-create-ascii-drawings-in-vim-editor-draw-boxes-lines-ellipses-arrows-inside-text-file/#more-2732
2021-05-21 07:35:56 Feigr vim plugin
2021-05-21 07:36:20 Feigr I also looked at asciio but that dependency list made me ill
2021-05-21 07:37:02 @daemon no other pc close by so you can open up draw.io ?
2021-05-21 07:37:44 Feigr daemon: yes ofc but this is more about can it be done than is it the best way to do it :)
2021-05-21 07:38:09 Feigr it's more fun to do all the dev work in the console on this FreeBSD VM using vim and TuDu etc
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2021-05-21 07:39:21 @daemon ah right, I think I honestly would just use ee or plain vi and hand draw the flowchart, it will likely be overall faster rather than learning some fancy other tool
2021-05-21 07:41:24 mitch0 there's also msc-generator. pretty easy to use
2021-05-21 07:42:02 Feigr mitch0: can you run that in the terminal?
2021-05-21 07:42:06 mitch0 yes
2021-05-21 07:42:17 mitch0 text-only markup -> generates pdf, png, whatever
2021-05-21 07:42:24 Feigr seems quite complex for just making a map for an IF game
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2021-05-21 07:43:07 mitch0 it's not really complex
2021-05-21 07:43:10 mitch0 check out the examples
2021-05-21 07:43:13 mitch0 https://sourceforge.net/projects/msc-generator/
2021-05-21 07:43:41 Feigr can you have the diagram open in the terminal and makes changes to it and add rooms etc?
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2021-05-21 07:44:56 mitch0 uh. rooms. sorry, I didn't really scroll back, just read that the discussion was about flowchart
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2021-05-21 07:46:34 mitch0 probably can be done with msc-gen, but probably not worth the effort. it's more suited to data flow charts, etc
2021-05-21 07:46:39 Feigr mitch0: something like this http://ggarra13.github.io/ifmapper/images/IFMapper_main.gif
2021-05-21 07:47:47 mitch0 yeah, as I said, probably not impossible, but definitely out-of-scope, so msc-gen is not really suited for that
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2021-05-21 07:51:38 mitch0 Feigr: you may have some luck with graphvis: https://graphviz.org/Gallery/undirected/grid.html
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2021-05-21 07:52:43 Feigr mitch0: yeah, I might prefer something more wysiwyg though, but I guess at that point it's just as easy to just type out an ascii diagram in vim myself
2021-05-21 07:52:53 mitch0 yep
2021-05-21 07:53:02 mitch0 you could define some fancy macros though :)
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2021-05-21 08:16:19 ceri is this about displaying in a terminal, or drawing in a terminal?
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2021-05-21 08:19:47 ceri https://asciiflow.com/ just in case it's the former
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2021-05-21 08:33:32 Posterdati hi
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2021-05-21 08:33:57 Posterdati please I upgraded from 12.2 to 13.0-release
2021-05-21 08:34:43 Posterdati this is what I've got connecting to the upgraded box via ssh: ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libncursesw.so.8" not found, required by "bash"
2021-05-21 08:34:43 Posterdati Connection to xxxxxxx closed.
2021-05-21 08:35:01 Posterdati this is a remote machine
2021-05-21 08:35:11 Posterdati I have no access to the physical console
2021-05-21 08:35:47 llua going to have to get access to it most likely
2021-05-21 08:35:56 Posterdati crap os
2021-05-21 08:36:27 llua poort adminstration tbf
2021-05-21 08:36:32 Posterdati no
2021-05-21 08:36:50 turtle user error != crapos, sorry :-(
2021-05-21 08:38:22 michalz Posterdati: maybe it would help: ssh -t user@ip sh
2021-05-21 08:38:36 Posterdati I followed the official guide to upgrade...
2021-05-21 08:39:05 llua skipping the part where you updated ports
2021-05-21 08:39:19 llua +packages
2021-05-21 08:39:19 Posterdati michalz: not working either
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2021-05-21 08:40:25 turtle if you don't have physical or console access to your server you should have a way to log in that either 1) uses a shell from base or 2) is statically linked.
2021-05-21 08:40:31 michalz Posterdati: try use csh instead of sh
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2021-05-21 08:43:58 michalz Posterdati: ssh -t user@ip csh or ssh -t user@ip tcsh
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2021-05-21 08:48:10 Posterdati neither
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2021-05-21 08:50:15 mvanbaak what are the errors you get when you try those ?
2021-05-21 08:51:33 mvanbaak on both 12.2 and 13.0 clean jails here it works. My user has zsh as default shell, but 'ssh -t mvanbaak@jail.ip sh' gives me sh
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2021-05-21 09:00:21 llua you have to have a working shell to run the command
2021-05-21 09:02:48 xtao you're hosed. need to have console access to fix that, would have to boot into single user mode and set a rescue shell to /bin/sh or /rescue/sh , fix the problem and start it up again. problem caused by not following instructions and running freebsd-update install (or make delete-old) before all packages reinstalled first
2021-05-21 09:05:11 pstef_ Posterdati: if "user" is root, maybe try logging into "toor"
2021-05-21 09:08:59 @debdrup When enabling toor, it's usually not a bad idea to set the shell to /rescue/csh
2021-05-21 09:11:59 ceri anyone on 13.0-release know what version libncursesw.so is there? 9 ?
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2021-05-21 09:12:32 xtao yep. says .9
2021-05-21 09:12:55 ceri because if it is then you *might* get away by scp'ing libncursesw.so.8 from a 12.2 image into /lib
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2021-05-21 09:13:17 ceri xtao: cool
2021-05-21 09:13:41 ceri Posterdati: and if that does work then the first thing to do is force upgrade all your packages
2021-05-21 09:14:31 xtao but to do that you need to login
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2021-05-21 09:15:33 ceri sftp doesn't use your shell, but you would need root login enabled
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2021-05-21 12:29:47 iulian115c VNET_DOMAIN_SET produce me an error on unload of module, any idea why?
2021-05-21 12:30:10 iulian115c i suspect dom_protosw
2021-05-21 12:30:45 iulian115c but i do not know for sure and i don't how to check/
2021-05-21 12:30:51 iulian115c ?
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2021-05-21 12:32:46 iulian115c or do you know some documentation that can help me to understand how VNET_DOMAIN_SET works?
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2021-05-21 12:34:11 iulian115c unfortunately man has nothing to say about it?
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2021-05-21 12:35:26 ceri try vnet(9)
2021-05-21 12:36:14 ceri although there is nothing in there, sorry
2021-05-21 12:39:02 ceri ok, it's domain(9)
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2021-05-21 14:13:43 _xor What the hell? My notification bell went off and I check my IRC client, only to be flooded by spam from a bunch of random nicks about how Libre has CP or some shit.
2021-05-21 14:14:18 BinGOs /umode +R is your friend
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2021-05-21 14:17:41 last1 UMODE Unknown command
2021-05-21 14:18:01 Dwarf last1: /mode last1 +R
2021-05-21 14:18:02 _xor /umode +R <your_nick>
2021-05-21 14:18:15 Dwarf umode is not a valid IRC command
2021-05-21 14:18:21 Dwarf only certain IRC clients have it aliased
2021-05-21 14:18:58 _xor Yeah, you'll have to look it up for your client. I use WeeChat and it has it. I had to look up the user modes though, hadn't looked at them in a looooong time.
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2021-05-21 14:19:03 _xor Someone mentioned it to me.
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2021-05-21 14:21:58 Feigr irssi has it too
2021-05-21 14:22:13 Feigr thanks for the tip
2021-05-21 14:22:17 ek You can use /quote to send the command to the IRC server.
2021-05-21 14:22:23 Feigr was getting sick of closing all those pm windows
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2021-05-21 14:22:39 ek Feigr: Yep. +R is great way to avoid trolls.
2021-05-21 14:26:05 last1 so what are these trolls trying to do ?
2021-05-21 14:26:15 last1 get me to leave freenode by spamming this, or avoiding libera.chat because it has CP ?
2021-05-21 14:26:18 last1 I'm very confused
2021-05-21 14:26:22 Feigr discredit libera.chat I would guess
2021-05-21 14:26:39 last1 but getting spammed like this on freenode also makes me want to leave freenode
2021-05-21 14:26:45 fullstop +R yourself
2021-05-21 14:26:48 last1 it's not a very well thought plan
2021-05-21 14:26:52 fullstop /mode yournick +R
2021-05-21 14:27:39 foxiepaws they are trying to implode both
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2021-05-21 14:28:21 IIIFE Does FreeBSD have the best driver support out of the four major *BSDs?
2021-05-21 14:28:47 mvanbaak depends on the hardware you want to use
2021-05-21 14:29:06 IIIFE My hardware of interest right now is drawing tablets.
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2021-05-21 14:31:04 gawen if your drawing tablet is, say a Wacom Intuos
2021-05-21 14:31:04 mvanbaak Personally I would just throw the hardware I'm interested in into the duckduckgo search input, add FreeBSD, and see what comes up
2021-05-21 14:31:07 gawen it works on FreeBSD
2021-05-21 14:31:19 mvanbaak but there's probably some official hardware list somewhere
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2021-05-21 14:31:54 IIIFE Doesn't freebsd have the ability to run linux drivers?
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2021-05-21 14:32:54 gawen if you mean load linux kernel modules, no
2021-05-21 14:32:54 coolvibe only for certain devices (webcams via cuse for example)
2021-05-21 14:33:35 gawen if you mean drivers that are part userspace (like xsane for example), yes, somewhat
2021-05-21 14:33:36 coolvibe and linux driver code is used for xorg, for example amdgpu, but that's an import of code
2021-05-21 14:33:58 coolvibe as in drm-kmod
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2021-05-21 14:40:29 coolvibe by the way, set mode R on your nick if you don't want the spam
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2021-05-21 14:49:06 sig_9 I feel like freenode is being sabotaged
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2021-05-21 14:50:47 et09 https://i.stack.imgur.com/G2Xri.png this is basically correct? freebsd derives (somehow) from 4.4BSD?
2021-05-21 14:51:34 et09 er 4.3 i guess?
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2021-05-21 14:56:08 et09 koobs: your name came up on google search for this - know anything about freebsd + "framework" brand laptops?
2021-05-21 14:56:52 et09 it might have been a false search result hah
2021-05-21 14:57:23 sig_9 this guy from YT chan iBSD debuts the thinkpad x1 carbon with freebsd: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk9NvmsPBC3lTn_L9kFaylA
2021-05-21 14:58:35 sig_9 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9SPDGynGMQ <--- here is the x1 carbon this guy is running freebsd and says it works great
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2021-05-21 15:01:29 et09 i feel him about dwm vs. i3. though using i3 atm (slash sway on this one) out of sheer laziness
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2021-05-21 15:05:15 et09 lenovos i think the specs can be a little anemic sadly
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2021-05-21 15:06:43 et09 hm i take that back, looks like some of them are pretty beefy
2021-05-21 15:08:23 ek All the Lenovo's I've had for work were really beefy.
2021-05-21 15:08:28 ek Heavy and large, though.
2021-05-21 15:08:44 et09 that was a concern with me in the past, but WFH for foreseeable future
2021-05-21 15:09:06 ek Nice. If you're not traveling with them, they're great.
2021-05-21 15:09:17 et09 yeah couple times a year max
2021-05-21 15:09:29 ek Nothing to worry about then.
2021-05-21 15:09:31 et09 i literally just took my LG laptop apart and put back together last night, to replace the crappy keyboard
2021-05-21 15:09:38 et09 was asking about "framework" laptops for my coworker
2021-05-21 15:09:51 et09 who already bought one. though i am vaguely considering getting a new laptop
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2021-05-21 15:21:02 sig_9 et09: from a article I've read on the freebsd foundation is that they had some thinkpad x1 carbons donated to them so hopefully those will have full support in the future. I think it is a pretty beefy laptop too.
2021-05-21 15:21:31 @debdrup They bought some 6th or 7th gen Lenovo X1 Carbons and sent them to FreeBSD developers, yeah.
2021-05-21 15:22:15 et09 nifty
2021-05-21 15:22:23 @debdrup et09: check out /usr/share/misc/bsd-family-tree
2021-05-21 15:22:47 @debdrup (you were talking about the provernance of FreeBSD)
2021-05-21 15:23:26 @debdrup That file is as correct as it's possible to make something when dealing with ASCII art.. ;)
2021-05-21 15:23:32 sig_9 well if I win the lottery I'll send them every make and model. :)
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2021-05-21 15:24:12 @debdrup There's a whole bunch of history missing regarding how FreeBSD 1.x had to be made completely inacessible and some files had to be rewritten, but other than that it's pretty accurate.
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2021-05-21 16:13:13 Ampera Is anyone running FreeBSD on/using Xen? Either as a dom0 or domU? I'm having a major problem with a new system I'm putting together managing only 20MB/s of throughput on the dom0 and domU's (both running FreeBSD)
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2021-05-21 18:05:46 magixUnix38 Who is using sndio?
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2021-05-21 18:10:24 magixUnix38 Is OSS better than Alsa?
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2021-05-21 18:19:16 FUZxxl Hi!
2021-05-21 18:19:21 FUZxxl I need some programming help with signals
2021-05-21 18:19:32 FUZxxl When a signal is delivered to a process
2021-05-21 18:19:40 FUZxxl and a signal handler exists and the signal is not blocked
2021-05-21 18:19:52 FUZxxl how exactly is the stack set up to start the signal handler?
2021-05-21 18:19:57 FUZxxl The architecture in question is arm64
2021-05-21 18:20:12 FUZxxl I would like to know this because I'm working on a Forth system with a custom ABI
2021-05-21 18:22:38 RhodiumToad well, the handler is called as if it were a C function, but the previous machine state is saved in more detail than usual
2021-05-21 18:23:14 FUZxxl I noticed that some registers are corrupted
2021-05-21 18:23:30 FUZxxl how exactly is the previous state saved?
2021-05-21 18:23:42 FUZxxl sorry, the machine is armv7, not arm64
2021-05-21 18:23:51 RhodiumToad what registeres are corrupted?
2021-05-21 18:24:24 FUZxxl r7
2021-05-21 18:24:42 FUZxxl on this particular ABI, r7 points to a secondary stack
2021-05-21 18:24:47 FUZxxl and apparently, it doesn't do so anymore
2021-05-21 18:25:32 FUZxxl when inside the signal handler
2021-05-21 18:25:50 FUZxxl I would like to understand what the exact stack effect of entering a signal handler is
2021-05-21 18:25:54 FUZxxl and how the signal return is handled
2021-05-21 18:26:11 RhodiumToad basically it goes like this
2021-05-21 18:27:38 RhodiumToad the old machine state (all registers, whatever their normal ABI status, including vfp/neon registers) is saved to the stack
2021-05-21 18:28:46 FUZxxl so far so good
2021-05-21 18:28:56 RhodiumToad then the registers are set up to invoke the function, with a return address that points to a trampoline that calls back into the kernel
2021-05-21 18:29:28 RhodiumToad the kernel returns to user mode into the signal handler
2021-05-21 18:29:58 FUZxxl where is the trampoline?
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2021-05-21 18:34:21 RhodiumToad that's actually in libc somewhere
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2021-05-21 18:35:04 FUZxxl I have no libc
2021-05-21 18:35:21 RhodiumToad how are you doing system calls?
2021-05-21 18:35:23 FUZxxl the program is statically linked and does not use the libc
2021-05-21 18:35:25 FUZxxl directly
2021-05-21 18:35:29 FUZxxl with an swi instruction
2021-05-21 18:37:17 RhodiumToad your program is an ELF image?
2021-05-21 18:37:49 FUZxxl yes
2021-05-21 18:38:29 RhodiumToad what freebsd version?
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2021-05-21 18:40:07 FUZxxl 13.0
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2021-05-21 18:41:00 RhodiumToad it looks like the kernel copies the relevant code to a spot in the initial stack
2021-05-21 18:42:10 RhodiumToad so the place to look is sendsig() in sys/arm/arm/machdep.c
2021-05-21 18:42:31 RhodiumToad it sets up tf->tf_usr_lr
2021-05-21 18:42:52 RhodiumToad (tf is the trapframe, which contains the user-mode machine state)
2021-05-21 18:47:01 FUZxxl ok
2021-05-21 18:47:19 FUZxxl and where is the trampoline?
2021-05-21 18:47:21 RhodiumToad the actual code seems to be "sigcode" in arm/arm/locore-v6.S
2021-05-21 18:48:38 RhodiumToad which does use r7, but that in itself shouldn't be an issue since it'll be restoring the previous r7 when returning to user mode from sigreturn
2021-05-21 18:48:51 FUZxxl what I mean is
2021-05-21 18:49:03 FUZxxl it seems that while the signal handler is running,
2021-05-21 18:49:05 FUZxxl r7 is trashed
2021-05-21 18:49:08 FUZxxl but this is hard to check
2021-05-21 18:49:14 RhodiumToad that's quite possible
2021-05-21 18:49:21 FUZxxl because I can't seem to set a breakpoint on r7
2021-05-21 18:49:23 RhodiumToad what's the normal status of r7 in the abi?
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2021-05-21 18:49:33 FUZxxl in our ABI it points to the data stack
2021-05-21 18:49:40 FUZxxl in the EABI it's callee saved
2021-05-21 18:49:48 RhodiumToad hm
2021-05-21 18:49:49 FUZxxl so can be trashed by the trap frame
2021-05-21 18:50:04 FUZxxl it is hard to check if this is really the case though
2021-05-21 18:50:17 RhodiumToad did you mean caller-saved?
2021-05-21 18:51:03 FUZxxl callee saved
2021-05-21 18:51:05 RhodiumToad anyway, as far as I know there's no guarantee that r7 in the signal handler will be preserved from the point at which the signal was taken
2021-05-21 18:51:18 FUZxxl as in, a normal C function may not assume any particular value from it
2021-05-21 18:51:23 FUZxxl and will preserve its contents
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2021-05-21 18:51:32 FUZxxl it is hard to check
2021-05-21 18:51:36 FUZxxl since gdb absolutely refuses
2021-05-21 18:51:43 FUZxxl to set a breakpoint on the signal handler
2021-05-21 18:51:46 FUZxxl I do not understand it
2021-05-21 18:51:49 FUZxxl if I force it,
2021-05-21 18:51:53 FUZxxl it just steps past it
2021-05-21 18:51:59 FUZxxl if I add a bkpt instruction,
2021-05-21 18:52:04 FUZxxl it gets a SIGBUS for some reason
2021-05-21 18:54:37 FUZxxl oh
2021-05-21 18:54:42 FUZxxl I think I get waht the problem is
2021-05-21 18:54:44 FUZxxl so stupid
2021-05-21 18:54:49 RhodiumToad ?
2021-05-21 18:54:55 FUZxxl thanks for your help
2021-05-21 18:55:00 FUZxxl I made a wrong assumption
2021-05-21 18:55:06 RhodiumToad which was?
2021-05-21 18:56:01 FUZxxl that r7 has the right value
2021-05-21 18:56:04 FUZxxl which it doesn't at this point
2021-05-21 18:56:07 FUZxxl it's quite silly
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2021-05-21 18:58:05 RhodiumToad ah
2021-05-21 18:58:29 RhodiumToad for system calls r7 is the system call number, yes?
2021-05-21 18:58:41 FUZxxl yes
2021-05-21 18:58:41 RhodiumToad so if you're signalled during a system call...
2021-05-21 18:58:46 FUZxxl indeed
2021-05-21 18:58:49 FUZxxl it is quite silly
2021-05-21 18:59:00 FUZxxl so perhaps I have to block signals during system calls
2021-05-21 18:59:03 FUZxxl or find some other solution
2021-05-21 18:59:23 RhodiumToad blocking signals isn't feasible since one of the primary uses for signals is interrupting system calls
2021-05-21 18:59:28 FUZxxl yes yes
2021-05-21 18:59:33 FUZxxl I'm thinking of having a variable
2021-05-21 18:59:48 FUZxxl that goes to 1 if the stack has temporarily been displaced to another register
2021-05-21 18:59:53 FUZxxl but: that doesn't nest unfortunately
2021-05-21 19:00:22 RhodiumToad do you have to use r7?
2021-05-21 19:00:38 FUZxxl it's hard coded all over the place
2021-05-21 19:00:43 FUZxxl it will be hard to change
2021-05-21 19:01:06 FUZxxl (technically it's a macro and I can redefine it, but instructions like PUSH and so on have an idea of what order registers occur in)
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2021-05-21 19:02:30 RhodiumToad how can a signal handler access the data stack safely anyway?
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2021-05-21 19:02:46 FUZxxl the same way it can access the normal stack safely
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2021-05-21 19:07:59 RhodiumToad I guess if it messes anything up that's just the programmer's fault
2021-05-21 19:08:29 FUZxxl yeah
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2021-05-21 20:40:06 SpaceBass Just did something dumb (and not even for the first time today)...
2021-05-21 20:40:57 SpaceBass On a new raspberry pi install, which has a user 'freebsd' that can su - into root, I added a new user and deleted that default user. But it seems my new user cannot su -
2021-05-21 20:41:15 SpaceBass Is there any way to fix this without going to the physical machine's console? I didn't enable root ssh access...
2021-05-21 20:41:26 SpaceBass I can log in as my new user, but that new user can su - into root
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2021-05-21 20:52:48 @zi SpaceBass: need console or an account in the wheel group
2021-05-21 20:52:51 @koobs SpaceBass: single user
2021-05-21 20:52:55 @zi SpaceBass: by default, cant su without being in wheel
2021-05-21 20:53:00 @koobs or what zi mentioned
2021-05-21 20:53:09 * SpaceBass slaps forehead
2021-05-21 20:53:14 @zi happens man
2021-05-21 20:53:21 SpaceBass I appreciate the security though
2021-05-21 20:53:43 @zi other things to ponder: sudo, backup serial console
2021-05-21 20:53:52 SpaceBass I was _right_ about to also join a domain and add sudo an set the domain admins as a sudo group...should have done that first
2021-05-21 20:54:11 SpaceBass At least the box in question is local.... Just have to go hook it up to a KVM
2021-05-21 20:54:38 SpaceBass (This is all to say that I'm feeling lazy and don't want to get up from me seat and beer at the moment, find cables, etc)
2021-05-21 20:56:05 @zi sounds like a tomorrow project to me
2021-05-21 20:58:22 last1 I have a SuperMicro 2U hot-swap chassis ( 1 of many ) and tonight when I added a new disk while the system was running, FreeBSD completely freaked out
2021-05-21 20:59:50 last1 https://pastebin.com/WZ6yNEz1
2021-05-21 21:00:58 last1 the server works very well otherwise. the only thing I noticed weird is the name of the disks, it's diskid/DISK-PHY in the zpools
2021-05-21 21:01:07 last1 whereas on the other servers it's da1..2,etc
2021-05-21 21:03:08 last1 the other servers also appear to be using mps0 controller but this one is on mpr0
2021-05-21 21:03:11 last1 not sure what the difference is
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2021-05-21 21:05:24 last1 ah, it's the 12gb controller, checked against another server that has the same and it's mpr0 too
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2021-05-21 21:17:11 SpaceBass Interesting! Which part is the ZFS layer (identifying the disk, etc) and which part is the controller (making the disk available...) ?
2021-05-21 21:17:24 SpaceBass I guess Im surprised the controller would make a difference
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2021-05-21 21:34:55 last1 yeah, I don't get it. the mps driver shows the disk as da* to the ZFS, the mpr shows it as diskid/DISK-PHYF839600DJ3P8EGN%20%20
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2021-05-21 22:17:51 et09 part of me wants to play with creating an init system for linux
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2021-05-21 22:18:58 et09 so kind of researching what different init systems (the misc rc/runit/etc. for linux, and the bsd ones) behave like
2021-05-21 22:19:48 et09 which really i don't know enough about
2021-05-21 22:19:53 et09 even after many years
2021-05-21 22:20:19 @koobs seen s6?
2021-05-21 22:20:21 @koobs looks good
2021-05-21 22:20:32 et09 seen the name at least
2021-05-21 22:20:33 @koobs i wanted to ask them whether they support freebsd in practice or could in principle
2021-05-21 22:20:36 @koobs worth checking out
2021-05-21 22:20:53 et09 i reckon it could, says posix-compliant
2021-05-21 22:20:57 @koobs yep
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2021-05-21 22:33:15 @koobs et09: https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/s6/
2021-05-21 22:33:36 @koobs give it a go? :)
2021-05-21 22:33:49 @koobs This software will run on any operating system that implements
2021-05-21 22:33:50 @koobs POSIX.1-2008, available at:
2021-05-21 22:33:52 @koobs lovely.
2021-05-21 22:34:17 et09 too scared
2021-05-21 22:34:28 @koobs spare vm :D
2021-05-21 22:34:36 et09 don't know how to vm on freebsd yet
2021-05-21 22:34:57 @koobs https://qbsd.io/getting-started-with-s6-rc-on-freebsd.html
2021-05-21 22:35:02 @koobs mmmmm
2021-05-21 22:35:18 @koobs Next step: start experimenting with s6-svscan replacing /sbin/init.
2021-05-21 22:35:20 @koobs ha
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2021-05-21 22:35:35 et09 i mean i like the freebsd init system lol
2021-05-21 22:35:38 @koobs https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-hackers/2016-August/049910.html
2021-05-21 22:35:49 et09 more likely to experiment with an s6 linux in a linux vm
2021-05-21 22:36:01 et09 i can't really fully escape linux
2021-05-21 22:36:11 et09 responsibilities and such
2021-05-21 22:36:20 @koobs https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/jhykan/s6_init_how_to_get_it_working/
2021-05-21 22:36:22 @koobs sure
2021-05-21 22:42:53 parv In a kernel configuration file, are files included recursively or only at 1 level?
2021-05-21 22:43:04 @koobs parv: example?
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2021-05-21 22:43:06 _xor omg
2021-05-21 22:43:17 * _xor is reviewing the 13.0-RELEASE notes in more detail
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2021-05-21 22:43:45 _xor Just saw ${name}_env works now. I was wondering why my rc script was screwing up and what I was doing wrong.
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2021-05-21 22:45:10 parv koobs: currently INVM includes MINIMAL. As FreeBSD boots under EFI here, I am writing another file, INVM-efi, to exclude syscons bits. In INVM-efi, I would just like to include INVM and possibly creating a close copy of INVM.
2021-05-21 22:45:17 @koobs oh
2021-05-21 22:45:27 @koobs parv: not sure
2021-05-21 22:46:03 parv koobs, aye. Only one way to find out is to build ...
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2021-05-21 22:47:06 parv s/and possibly creating a close copy/and possibly not create a close copy/
2021-05-21 22:47:15 @koobs parv: yah, there may also be some make targets that display/list config things ?
2021-05-21 22:47:40 @koobs parv: could also introduce a syntax error in the recursuive config, and see if it 'breaks'
2021-05-21 22:48:04 parv koobs, right. Thanks for the hints.
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2021-05-21 23:31:48 parv Kernel linking failed with "undefined symbol: vesa_{un,}load_ioctl" after compiling a kernel with "nodevice sc"; retrying with "nooptions vesa" ...
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2021-05-22 01:36:43 parv ... Ok, needed to avoid vga device too, along with sv & vesa option.
2021-05-22 01:36:51 parv s/sv/sc/
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2021-05-22 03:44:11 FUZxxl Do system calls change any register besides the output register?
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2021-05-22 03:47:58 kilitary on mondays only
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2021-05-22 03:54:52 FUZxxl thanks
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2021-05-22 04:37:57 TheBeastie FUZxxl: system calls are like normal function calls.... register change depends on the ABI
2021-05-22 04:38:29 FUZxxl TheBeastie: yeah, I kinda figured that out
2021-05-22 04:38:39 FUZxxl with some asterisks
2021-05-22 04:38:39 TheBeastie only asynchronous interruptions must preserve the cpu state.
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2021-05-22 04:39:30 TheBeastie the asterisks come because of the trap instruction that must be executed in order to switch context to kernel mode.
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2021-05-22 04:40:15 TheBeastie you can study the freebsd specific system call mechanism in the kernel sources and also in the system calls library.
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2021-05-22 04:47:14 toro Hello all! I installed FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE recently. I am presented with a virtual terminal which has really big fonts. How do I change font and font size?
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2021-05-22 04:54:21 TheBeastie please, define what kind of virtual terminal you were presented.... first.
2021-05-22 04:55:08 TheBeastie (also what do you mean for "really big fonts", please)
2021-05-22 04:55:19 toro vtty0
2021-05-22 04:55:37 TheBeastie do they fit in the screen to make a 24 lines of 80 characters each?
2021-05-22 04:55:58 toro I guess, that's right.
2021-05-22 04:56:31 toro I want to change it to small size.
2021-05-22 04:56:46 TheBeastie well... then that's what I have.... I switched to a NVidia card to be able to use OpenGL, and on switching the driver I lost the small text fonts of the console.
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2021-05-22 04:57:25 TheBeastie try vidcontrol
2021-05-22 04:57:32 TheBeastie man vidcontrol
2021-05-22 04:58:23 toro Vidcontrol not showing any results. When I type "vidcontrol -i mode", It lists nothing!
2021-05-22 04:58:29 TheBeastie but freebsd tries to select the maximum resolution that the video card/monitor can offer to you.... have you installed freebsd for the first time?
2021-05-22 04:58:41 toro Yes!
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2021-05-22 04:59:11 TheBeastie then probably your bios is not VESA compliant... or you have not installed the vesa module for the video card.
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2021-05-22 05:00:04 TheBeastie hmmm... what video card do you have and what resolution does your monitor support?
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2021-05-22 05:00:47 toro I have old nvidia card. I think Nvidia Geforce 105M
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2021-05-22 05:02:07 TheBeastie hmmm... have you installed the nvidia drivers?
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2021-05-22 05:02:40 toro No. This is fresh install.
2021-05-22 05:03:42 TheBeastie ok.... do you want to install the nvidia driver or continue with a vga driver?
2021-05-22 05:04:08 TheBeastie (i mean the driver development by nvida)
2021-05-22 05:04:19 TheBeastie s/development/developed/
2021-05-22 05:04:32 toro I would like to install open-source Nvidia driver if it has any.
2021-05-22 05:05:20 TheBeastie nvidia has supported their cards and drivers for freebsd and there's a driver in the ports to install the original nvidia drivers into the kernel.
2021-05-22 05:05:37 TheBeastie I installed it like one month ago.
2021-05-22 05:06:06 toro How did you installed Nvidia driver?
2021-05-22 05:06:10 TheBeastie (i needed it to use FreeCAD and Cura software for 3D printing)
2021-05-22 05:06:23 TheBeastie there's a port package....
2021-05-22 05:06:50 toro What package?
2021-05-22 05:07:39 TheBeastie but.... I need to warn you.... your console will not get more than 25x80, but X11 will full use OpenGL on your card... .I have a Quadro FX 570
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2021-05-22 05:08:37 toro So I need to install X11 to use the graphics card?
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2021-05-22 05:09:24 TheBeastie no.... console works fine... but you don't get (or at least I don't still know how) higher text resolution than 80x25 in the consoles.
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2021-05-22 05:10:25 TheBeastie you can switch the background/foregrownd colors.... I don't know (not tried) to install custom fonts in the screen, but you cannot switch modes (mode info appears empty, as you got)
2021-05-22 05:11:09 TheBeastie if nvida has some vesa modes somewhere, the bios calls are not exposed to freebsd.
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2021-05-22 05:11:48 toro Uh-mmm. How to change color? (fg: amber bg: black)
2021-05-22 05:12:09 TheBeastie try vidcontrol
2021-05-22 05:12:21 toro Okay.
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2021-05-22 05:12:46 TheBeastie vidcontrol uses ioctl calls to change things... some of them work, some don't..... but screen colors (b/f) is somethng that works.
2021-05-22 05:13:24 TheBeastie for example.... calls to call the cursow shape.... or blinking mode... don't.
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2021-05-22 05:13:45 TheBeastie but that is something I can live with, as I use X11 almost all time.
2021-05-22 05:14:28 toro As far as I know vidcontrol changes things temporary. How to make changes done by vidcontrol permanent?
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2021-05-22 05:15:27 TheBeastie I have a main board Intel card available... but the bios don't allow me to use both cards at the same time... I don't actually know the reason.... as the computer is a Dell Optiflex.... there should be no reason to avoid using both cards if you have the resources to do it.
2021-05-22 05:16:12 TheBeastie toro: to make them permanent... configure them in rc.conf.... let me check the parameter for you, as I have already done that.
2021-05-22 05:16:37 toro Great! Thanks.
2021-05-22 05:17:22 TheBeastie the parameter allscreens_flags (man rc.conf) allows you to configure all screens with the same appearance.... and in the same manual place you will get all the other related config parameters you can use.
2021-05-22 05:18:09 TheBeastie if that parameter is defined, the boot calls vidcontrol on all screens with the parameters you put in the configuration parameter.
2021-05-22 05:19:47 toro Cool. For how many years do you use FreeBSD?
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2021-05-22 05:23:34 TheBeastie toro: I've used freebsd for 5 or 6, but i'm using unix continously since 1987, and I've found BSDishes for long time in hp-ux and aix
2021-05-22 05:24:42 toro Nice. Do you use any Linux distro?
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2021-05-22 05:25:08 TheBeastie I've used linux for years... until they introduced the systemd process that changed everything.
2021-05-22 05:25:50 TheBeastie then I stopped feeling confortable in linux and abandoned it... I use it now when I want to try something or develop something that is linux specific
2021-05-22 05:27:01 TheBeastie short ago I had to write a C program to detect which partitions and filesystems are near to get full, and print directories on those partitions to search for files to erase....
2021-05-22 05:27:40 TheBeastie I started writing things in Freebsd, but I had to switch to linux, as both use very differnt approaches to get the list of mounted filesystems.
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2021-05-22 05:30:23 ialokin two different commands with two different outputs :P what would you expect ;P¨
2021-05-22 05:31:00 TheBeastie ialokin: I don't understand what you mean, can you elaborate?
2021-05-22 05:32:09 toro TheBeastie: Why do you think your C program must run on different Operating Systems?
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2021-05-22 05:33:58 TheBeastie nope.... i assumed that, as both systems are posix, both systems have a common way to get (using system calls) the list of actually mounted filesystems, and be compatible... but linux has no system call to get the list of mounted filesystems... you have to read and parse /proc/mounts
2021-05-22 05:34:18 TheBeastie while freebsd has a system call that gives you the list.
2021-05-22 05:34:30 FUZxxl you could write a wrapper for Linux
2021-05-22 05:34:40 FUZxxl that emulates getfsstat and getmntinfo
2021-05-22 05:34:49 TheBeastie yes... you can read the output (which is posix) of df command....
2021-05-22 05:35:02 FUZxxl that too
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2021-05-22 05:36:05 TheBeastie FUZxxl: I need to start by saying this is not a problem I have... I solved the problem some time ago and the program is working happy in our systems....
2021-05-22 05:36:19 FUZxxl cool
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2021-05-22 05:36:33 TheBeastie I was explaining about my legacy use of FreeBSD.
2021-05-22 05:37:17 ialokin TheBeastie: my point was that linux is not bsd :) like bsd is not windows
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2021-05-22 05:37:33 TheBeastie I was asked by toro after I gave him some hints on how to configure the initial screens at bootstrap.
2021-05-22 05:37:55 ialokin but bbl :) I need a cigarette and some time away from the screen ;)
2021-05-22 05:38:13 TheBeastie ialokin: I agree.... they have even quite different origins.... I use BSD derived systems since well ago... (1987)
2021-05-22 05:38:28 TheBeastie there was no linux at all in 1987
2021-05-22 05:39:16 toro TheBeastie: Based on your experience, Do you like BSD or Linux?
2021-05-22 05:39:45 Acacia what is the proper way to randomize the mac address of a network card? I can't seeem to find the right "ifconfig_wlan0_(setting)" to stick "ether random" in
2021-05-22 05:40:00 TheBeastie but hp-ux (which claimed to be sys v compliant at that time, had a lot of incoming material coming from BSD systems)
2021-05-22 05:40:15 FUZxxl TheBeastie: interestingly enough, there are now accessor functions to parse mtab for you
2021-05-22 05:40:15 TheBeastie and this also happened to AIX
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2021-05-22 05:41:10 TheBeastie FUZxxl: but mtab is a static file..... and the information I want is not static at all... I want to know what filesystems are mounted *now* to see which ones are in danger of getting full *now*
2021-05-22 05:41:29 FUZxxl TheBeastie: iirc mtab is where Linux writes the current mount info
2021-05-22 05:41:33 FUZxxl fstab is the static file
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2021-05-22 05:41:52 TheBeastie next step is to do statfs calls to all of them to check for full (or near full) filesystems.
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2021-05-22 05:42:20 FUZxxl on modern Linux systems, /etc/mtab might be a link to /proc/mounts I guess
2021-05-22 05:42:53 FUZxxl ah yes it goes to /proc/self/mounts
2021-05-22 05:43:04 TheBeastie both systems have a statvfs call to get that... but linux returns no indication of the name of the partition or the name of the mounted directory that is there.... so finally you have to go to /proc/mounts
2021-05-22 05:43:21 TheBeastie yes.... it is.
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2021-05-22 05:44:34 TheBeastie the thing is that is started writing the whole thing on Freebsd because i normally don't have a linux system running all the day at home.... but soon, I had to switch because the idiosyncrazies of linux.
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2021-05-22 05:45:01 TheBeastie and that was the anecdote, and why I sometimes need to start a linux system.
2021-05-22 05:45:57 TheBeastie but I normally use linux at work.... for compatibility reasons.... but at home I use BSD systems exclusively (for stability and confortability reasons)
2021-05-22 05:46:48 TheBeastie I started using unix when the X11 server still give you a default grey background (not black as it gives now)
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2021-05-22 05:50:41 pstef_ TheBeastie: is there anything you would like to see ported to FreeBSD from AIX or HP-UX?
2021-05-22 05:51:05 TheBeastie hahahaha... Openview Network Node Manager
2021-05-22 05:51:29 pstef_ phew, I was afraid you would mention wpars :)
2021-05-22 05:51:46 TheBeastie I think I have never used wpars
2021-05-22 05:53:18 TheBeastie I wrote (by request) a version of the tree command to see a filesystem tree in line-chars form....
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2021-05-22 05:53:43 TheBeastie like this:
2021-05-22 05:53:48 TheBeastie lcu@europa:~/mail$ tree
2021-05-22 05:53:50 TheBeastie [drwx------]── .
2021-05-22 05:53:52 TheBeastie [-rw-------] ├ saved-messages
2021-05-22 05:53:54 TheBeastie [-rw-------] ├ sent-mail
2021-05-22 05:53:56 TheBeastie [-rw-------] ├ sent-mail-apr-2021
2021-05-22 05:53:58 TheBeastie [-rw-------] └ sent-mail-aug-2020
2021-05-22 05:54:27 TheBeastie i was plannig to offer it as a port for freebsd, and several other small tools.
2021-05-22 05:56:12 TheBeastie you have the same info as you get from ls but in different format (no support yet for ACLs or flags) and even it has a manual page.
2021-05-22 05:57:10 TheBeastie you have it in github if you want to give it a try.
2021-05-22 05:57:17 pstef_ well, there is a utility with the name tree already, so you would have to propose it under a different name
2021-05-22 05:57:38 TheBeastie no problem on that.
2021-05-22 05:58:16 TheBeastie but tree is not a system tool, as it doesn't appear on my system... this is the reason I selected that name....
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2021-05-22 05:58:30 pstef_ I mean the port, sysutils/tree
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2021-05-22 05:59:02 TheBeastie but you know, programmers the most difficult task they face every day is to select appropiate names to all the things they have to name.
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2021-05-22 06:00:45 TheBeastie it doesn't appear as a package....
2021-05-22 06:01:01 TheBeastie pkg info tree doesn't give me anything.
2021-05-22 06:01:17 TheBeastie but there's no problem on that....
2021-05-22 06:01:27 RhodiumToad that means you don't have it installed
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2021-05-22 06:01:58 TheBeastie it-s the same thing....
2021-05-22 06:02:07 TheBeastie :)
2021-05-22 06:02:20 TheBeastie let's call it ntree :)
2021-05-22 06:03:06 TheBeastie and there's another ytree that does the same.
2021-05-22 06:03:37 TheBeastie mine was the result of a c programming class example.
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2021-05-22 06:03:44 TheBeastie but it is quite complete.
2021-05-22 06:04:19 parv TheBeastie, does your version list the size of files and/or directories?
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2021-05-22 06:05:34 TheBeastie it lists everything that unix ls does (modes, links, inode number, size, date, owner, group, cration time.... it depends on the options)
2021-05-22 06:05:53 TheBeastie by default it prints the modes set ant the tree (with the names)
2021-05-22 06:06:09 TheBeastie even for links it prints the -> target name
2021-05-22 06:06:09 parv TheBeastie: then I would to try that.
2021-05-22 06:06:28 parv s/would to/would like to/
2021-05-22 06:06:32 TheBeastie you have it in github.... https://github.com/mojadita/tree
2021-05-22 06:07:34 TheBeastie just make and make install (by default prefix is set to your home directory, so you don't need to be root and install it globally)
2021-05-22 06:07:49 TheBeastie (or directly make install)
2021-05-22 06:08:13 TheBeastie it has a simple Makefile, no configure or autotools used. It was a project for a C programming class.
2021-05-22 06:08:44 TheBeastie (well, more a C programming lecture, but it was not written at all)
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2021-05-22 06:12:28 parv TheBeastie, I tried. Thanks.
2021-05-22 06:12:37 TheBeastie did you like it?
2021-05-22 06:12:51 TheBeastie you got a manual page... so you can try all the options.
2021-05-22 06:14:48 parv TheBeastie, as you mentioned tree behaves somewhat like ls. Option being toggled was something new ...
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2021-05-22 06:16:08 parv TheBeastie, I had to see if specifying the same option (even number) would turn it off --- indeed that did.
2021-05-22 06:16:47 TheBeastie yes.... option is toggling, and no support for long ooptions is made.
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2021-05-22 06:20:21 parv TheBeastie, in the manual page & help output, you could replace "This option" with "It" or nothing.
2021-05-22 06:20:43 TheBeastie I'll do
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2021-05-22 06:25:59 TheBeastie done
2021-05-22 06:26:23 parv That was fast!
2021-05-22 06:26:24 TheBeastie thanks parv
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2021-05-22 06:26:54 TheBeastie fortunately your proposal was just a vi command to make a global change.
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2021-05-22 06:27:36 TheBeastie i agree with you that there's a lot of repeated text in that help.... I'm not native english speaker and I do many mistakes when writing doc.
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2021-05-22 06:28:21 TheBeastie sometimes when I read it later I get the thing myself, but others, I'm told, as you did now.
2021-05-22 06:28:33 parv TheBeastie, you had already done the work to do a global change in vi.
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2021-05-22 06:29:07 TheBeastie hahahaah.... I'm teaching a user who wants to learn ed(1)
2021-05-22 06:29:28 TheBeastie and he tries to do all editing with ed....
2021-05-22 06:29:46 TheBeastie (i think I'm learning some ed also)
2021-05-22 06:30:01 parv why?! O' the torture!
2021-05-22 06:30:23 RhodiumToad learning ed is a good idea
2021-05-22 06:30:43 TheBeastie but I learnt unix then it still have no vi (it was announced as some extraordinary feature in some systems derived from Berkeley unix)
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2021-05-22 06:30:55 parv Learning ed is one thing. Insisting its use is another.
2021-05-22 06:31:06 TheBeastie yes.... I agree with you RhodiumToad
2021-05-22 06:31:09 RhodiumToad doing everything in it is a good way to learn it
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2021-05-22 06:32:14 TheBeastie and if you sometime need to work on a pdp-11, then you had better to know it, because vi doesn't fit in it's 64kb virtual address space.
2021-05-22 06:32:54 RhodiumToad the main reason to know ed is that you're not helpless when stuck in single-user on a serial console
2021-05-22 06:33:10 TheBeastie and fortunately, there must be a maintainer for it in freebsd because it is still there :)
2021-05-22 06:34:33 TheBeastie i know another... it has a simple and easy to handle interface if you need to edit a file from a program to do some complex task that is not easy done (as deleting or inserting lines,...)
2021-05-22 06:35:57 TheBeastie i wrote a navigable C beautifier in html and i used (ex, not ed) to do the string substitution to make the targets of the <a> links of the code, collected from a tags file.
2021-05-22 06:36:12 * parv once wrote a C++ program with few rudimentary commands similar to ed as a linked list project. Needless to say it was not efficient with its use of memory which certainly never was the point.
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2021-05-22 06:37:36 TheBeastie It's still there and i have tested it with a ctags (made with exhuberant ctags) file on the full linux source tree.
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2021-05-22 07:21:59 Xiatian can someone remind me which tunables are for max number of swap pages? for cases where you Really Have a Lot of Swap Space but the system does not use it all
2021-05-22 07:23:23 RhodiumToad maxswzone is what limits how much swap space the kernel can actually use, but "out of swap space" kills are usually nothing to do with swap space
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2021-05-22 07:31:18 TheBeastie Xiatian: the system uses swap only for swap.... so it is the total amount of swap what marks the limit... if you have some swap the system doesn;t use... there's no tunable that can make it use it.
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2021-05-22 07:32:40 TheBeastie so probably I have misunderstood your question or you are misunderstanding something in the system.
2021-05-22 07:34:03 RhodiumToad TheBeastie: maxswzone limits the amount of metadata allocated for swap, which limits the amount of swap that can be used
2021-05-22 07:34:23 Xiatian RhodiumToad: thanks
2021-05-22 07:35:04 Xiatian TheBeastie: I definitely encountered a situation where I added 32 GB of swap (a new VHDX) and the OS only used 8 GB out of that
2021-05-22 07:35:17 Xiatian and I think maxswzone was indeed what I had to change
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2021-05-22 07:35:27 TheBeastie RhodiumToad: you're right..... but you can continue adding swap by not making your swap partitions bigger than some value.
2021-05-22 07:35:44 RhodiumToad TheBeastie: not so
2021-05-22 07:35:56 TheBeastie no?
2021-05-22 07:36:09 RhodiumToad TheBeastie: maxswzone limits the total amount of swap space that can be used
2021-05-22 07:36:24 RhodiumToad not the total per device or partition, the total system-wide
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2021-05-22 07:36:41 TheBeastie is that a top global value?
2021-05-22 07:36:45 Xiatian was kern.maxswzone behaviour changed in 13? it seems like it is 0 on all of my systems now
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2021-05-22 07:36:55 Xiatian but it was not 0 on 12
2021-05-22 07:37:39 TheBeastie anyway you can tweak it to use more swap..... not to limit how much the system should use.
2021-05-22 07:38:16 * Xiatian shrugs
2021-05-22 07:38:18 TheBeastie on my system is also 0
2021-05-22 07:38:27 Xiatian I mean errors like "warning: total configured swap (1116672 pages) exceeds maximum recommended amount (855904 pages)."
2021-05-22 07:39:00 RhodiumToad it shows up as 0 if it's not set in loader.conf
2021-05-22 07:39:12 RhodiumToad if it's set to 0, the actual value in effect is computed
2021-05-22 07:39:25 TheBeastie that means that you have created a too big partition... to be able to use it complete, you need then to change that value, I assume.
2021-05-22 07:40:14 TheBeastie I think you can increase the recommended value to match the total configured swap.
2021-05-22 07:40:23 RhodiumToad n = maxswzone != 0 ? maxswzone / sizeof(struct swblk) : vm_cnt.v_page_count / 2;
2021-05-22 07:41:03 RhodiumToad swap_maxpages = n * SWAP_META_PAGES;
2021-05-22 07:42:12 RhodiumToad SWAP_META_PAGES is 8 on 32-bit and 16 on 64-bit
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2021-05-22 07:48:31 RhodiumToad sizeof(struct swblk) is I think 72 on 32-bit and 136 on 64-bit
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2021-05-22 08:08:44 FUZxxl something is still in disarray here
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2021-05-22 08:12:03 RhodiumToad ?
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2021-05-22 08:15:27 FUZxxl there's some sort of corruptionj in my signal handling code
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2021-05-22 08:49:45 DaRock hey guys
2021-05-22 08:50:01 DaRock vnet jails - couple of queries...
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2021-05-22 08:50:46 DaRock does the vnet interface normally get dropped back to host if a nested jail is stopped, etc?
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2021-05-22 08:53:45 DaRock and how do I get devfs mounted in a nested jail? I'm currently getting "nestedjail: run command as root: /sbin/mount -t devfs -oruleset=4 . /path/to/jail/path/to/nestedjail/dev \
2021-05-22 08:53:45 DaRock mount: .: Operation not permitted" with allow.mount and allow.mount.devfs in jail.conf on the host for the parent jail
2021-05-22 08:54:37 DaRock same settings as for poudriere in jail, but they don't work here :-/
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2021-05-22 09:00:05 DaRock ok - even weirder: apparently its the -oruleset=4 that breaks everything. WTF?
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2021-05-22 09:51:07 weust I am trying to use pw with "-h 0" but for some reason the password (from echo piped before the pw command) is put in it's entirity(spelling?) as the password. What am I missing here? https://pastebin.com/qxis28pH (the password is test1234 as I am just trying things atm)
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2021-05-22 09:52:08 weust ffs. I need to use -H, not h. sigh. always after I ask
2021-05-22 09:52:43 weust got it
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2021-05-22 10:06:11 DaRock trying again I tried running service devfs restart and get this in the jail: devfs rule: ioctl DEVFSIO_RGETNEXT: Operation not permitted
2021-05-22 10:06:36 DaRock followed by: /etc/rc.d/devfs: WARNING: devfs_init_rulesets: could not read rules from /etc/defaults/devfs.rules
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2021-05-22 10:16:23 sy Hi everyone, any ideas why rtsold doesn't add this route here? https://0x0.st/-eLf.txt
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2021-05-22 10:57:24 cation21 in case anyone has not seen it - https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse
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2021-05-22 10:59:30 andreas303 Hi folks! Is it still considered a bad idea, for performance reasons, to have swap under encrypted zfs instead of under encrypted geli?
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2021-05-22 12:09:27 R2COM is it good idea to use sudo on freebsd or no
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2021-05-22 12:14:19 Xiatian sy: your configuration does not make much sense
2021-05-22 12:14:35 Xiatian at least at first glance
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2021-05-22 12:15:29 Xiatian sy: if all these commands are run on the same host, you seem to receive a RA with the default gateway that has the same LLA as your host
2021-05-22 12:15:46 Xiatian and you are pinging that host from itself
2021-05-22 12:15:57 Xiatian oh wait
2021-05-22 12:16:10 Xiatian I misread the first octet, sorry
2021-05-22 12:16:20 R2COM has anyone tried mounting shared folder to Synology NAS drive in freebsd?
2021-05-22 12:16:26 R2COM having issues with permissions
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2021-05-22 12:18:22 sy I'm on Vultr if that helps, I've opted not to use DHCP and instead statically assign the first address of my block
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2021-05-22 12:18:54 Xiatian sy: nitpick; the first address would be :: without 1
2021-05-22 12:19:01 Xiatian aka 0
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2021-05-22 12:21:50 Xiatian sy: judging by the instructions on the hoster's website, I think you do not really have to do it exactly their way
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2021-05-22 12:24:08 Xiatian though hmm
2021-05-22 12:25:19 Xiatian sy: have you checked tcpdump output (with high verbosity) to see what kind of announcements you are getting?
2021-05-22 12:27:03 Xiatian sy: oh, also, what do you get with `sysctl net.inet6.ip6.accept_rtadv`?
2021-05-22 12:27:12 Xiatian just in case
2021-05-22 12:28:17 Xiatian it looks like -F should set it to 1
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2021-05-22 12:28:52 Xiatian and you have ACCEPT_RTADV in ifconfig output, so it should work unless the RA has wrong flags set
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2021-05-22 15:33:16 toniz4 hello, I'm trying out freebsd on my rpi, and it's my first experience with it. So I'm thinking about encrypting my external drive, and I came across gbde and geli. What would be better in that application?
2021-05-22 15:34:58 SpaceBass Why not ZFS with encryption?
2021-05-22 15:35:47 toniz4 SpaceBass: I didn't came across that, gonna take a look at it
2021-05-22 15:36:18 toniz4 And another question, there is a significant overhead with ZFS?
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2021-05-22 15:39:40 ptx0 kind of
2021-05-22 15:39:46 ptx0 it's going to be dogshit slow on a raspberry pi
2021-05-22 15:40:34 SpaceBass To be fair, everything is slow on a Pi4.... Took me literally 48 hours to compile bind
2021-05-22 15:41:01 last1 I have a FreeBSD host sitting on an esxi host that has its adapters in promiscuous mode ( due to another VM running HA using CARP )
2021-05-22 15:41:21 last1 this particular FreeBSD host can pick up all adapter traffic from the ESXi host - is this normal ?
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2021-05-22 15:41:54 ptx0 i'm not familiar with esxi
2021-05-22 15:42:09 last1 what I'm getting at is I'm trying to decomission this box and I wanted to know who's still talking to it, but when I run tcpdump I see all network traffic
2021-05-22 15:44:12 toniz4 ptx0: but in comparing with btrfs? I was using centos with my external drive using btrfs, it was usable
2021-05-22 15:44:29 ptx0 this is freebsd..
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2021-05-22 15:45:00 ptx0 i don't trust blenderfs^H btrfs. zfs is fine. it's going to have more overhead than UFS, but, some architectural differences could mean it's overall, faster.
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2021-05-22 15:50:57 toniz4 ptx0: I know that freebsd doesn't have btrfs, just making a comparison. Thanks for the help! I'm going to try to format it with zfs. Another noob question, what is the better way of listing available drives? In linux i can use lsblk, what would be the equivalent to freebsd?
2021-05-22 15:51:35 ptx0 i think you can install that here, too
2021-05-22 15:51:59 SpaceBass toniz4, another option is encfs. I use it on FreeBSD and the performance is good
2021-05-22 15:52:06 ptx0 atacontrol -l
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2021-05-22 15:58:18 Iambchop last1: sounds like the freebsd vm is in the same port group and/or vswitch as the carp vm https://kb.vmware.com/s/article/1002934
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2021-05-22 16:39:48 last1 lambchop, it wasn't that unfortunately
2021-05-22 16:39:59 last1 it's another issue i'm seeing, possibly due to bad design by me
2021-05-22 16:40:25 last1 so I have a load balancer ( opnsense ) setup, 2 machines in HA mode using CARP
2021-05-22 16:40:33 last1 each individual machine has an IP in the 192.168.2.X management network
2021-05-22 16:40:47 last1 and they share a virtual IP of 192.168.1.X in the user network
2021-05-22 16:41:14 last1 it turns out that traffic between 192.168.1.0/24 and this Virtual IP, still gets routed through my local gateway/router ( also FreeBSD )
2021-05-22 16:41:38 last1 even though they are both in 192.168.1.0/24
2021-05-22 16:42:10 last1 it appears that the opnsense routers somehow advertise or respond using their real 192.168.2.X IP, which requires the local gateway to route the traffic
2021-05-22 16:42:42 last1 so if I ping the Virtual IP 192.168.1.95, I actually see a response from 192.168.2.75 when I tcpdump on the gateway
2021-05-22 16:42:49 last1 does this make sense or it's a bad config ?
2021-05-22 16:43:34 last1 to the pinging client, it sees a response from 192.168.1.95, so all good, but behind the scenes, the management IPs get involved somehow
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2021-05-22 16:50:20 last1 I think it's because CARP gives virtual IPs a special mac address
2021-05-22 16:51:10 last1 in the 00:00:5e range
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2021-05-22 16:59:27 SpaceBass I have a new user, I added them to wheel. But I still can't su - root from that user
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2021-05-22 16:59:31 SpaceBass Do I need to do something else?
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2021-05-22 17:00:04 SpaceBass Never mind, got it!
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2021-05-22 17:33:49 Iambchop last1: something like this? https://i.ibb.co/z7J44CY/CARPping.png
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2021-05-22 17:35:36 last1 lambchop: you are hinting at the solution I think I have to do
2021-05-22 17:35:50 last1 I believe I have to give the OPNSense firewalls an alias IP of 192.168.1.X
2021-05-22 17:36:08 last1 and this way they will listen on 192.168.1.0/24 arp traffic and respond right away
2021-05-22 17:36:25 last1 instead of relying on 192.168.2.0/24 IPs to respond via the local gateway
2021-05-22 17:36:51 last1 at least this is what I think the solution has to be, not sure if there are others
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2021-05-22 17:39:21 Iambchop that sounds reasonable
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2021-05-22 17:44:01 last1 I had read some docs about proxy arp
2021-05-22 17:44:16 last1 which allows you to bind an arp to an interface
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2021-05-22 17:44:23 last1 but I don't think that's compatible with carp
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2021-05-22 17:56:49 DarwinElf how can I SSH to a FreeBSD server then execute a different shell before (instead of) my normal login shell?
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2021-05-22 18:00:54 wlkO`Rety DarwinElf: is your normal login shell broken, or do you just want to use a different one? In the second case, `ssh -t HOST exec /bin/sh` seems to do the trick
2021-05-22 18:01:35 DarwinElf yeah, it's broken
2021-05-22 18:02:04 DarwinElf but I recall someone described this trick for that case, just not how...
2021-05-22 18:02:06 wlkO`Rety Does scp work? ~/.ssh/rc supposedly executes before shell
2021-05-22 18:03:02 wlkO`Rety (ah, this also needs a sshd option PermitUserRC, I'm not sure if it's enabled by default)
2021-05-22 18:03:04 DarwinElf i wasn't able to copy something to that server either
2021-05-22 18:03:17 DarwinElf or did you mean copy from it?
2021-05-22 18:04:03 DarwinElf i think if I reboot it later that'll fix everything, just I can't get to the web-login at this time
2021-05-22 18:04:29 wlkO`Rety Copy _to_ server. I don't know if scp uses shell.
2021-05-22 18:04:46 DarwinElf it said something for the shell wasn't there
2021-05-22 18:05:14 wlkO`Rety You could also update ~/.ssh/known_hosts with a new key that specifies `command="..."`
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2021-05-22 18:05:58 wlkO`Rety If the shell doesn't even exist, authentication may have a problem with that... I don't have any more ideas (but I'm curious what is the trick)
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2021-05-22 18:06:53 DarwinElf the shell exists, just not some library. That's why I want to execute a different shell
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2021-05-22 18:24:16 llua are you able to copy files to the machine?
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2021-05-22 18:25:42 llua if so, try putting the missing lib in your homedir and push a .login.conf that sets LD_PRELOAD to load it, that may work
2021-05-22 18:34:53 last1 how does freebsd arp handle a virtual carp mac ?
2021-05-22 18:35:25 last1 say I have virtual IP 192.168.1.95 which virtual mac 00:00:5E:XX ..
2021-05-22 18:35:32 last1 *with
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2021-05-22 18:45:28 uskerine https://stackoverflow.com/questions/67654754/how-do-i-surroung-text-beginning-with-until-end-of-line-with-escape-characters
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2021-05-22 18:56:14 borsin have i believe a corrupt file system on a rpi causing a fault error, fcsk force is not set in rc.conf, any way to force fcsk at boot or do i need to slave it into a running freebsd install to run fsck?
2021-05-22 18:56:55 borsin cause for error, pulled plug after rpi froze
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2021-05-22 19:06:29 imachine man, I have got to say this wholeheartedly - FreeBSD has gone a long way!
2021-05-22 19:06:41 imachine no editing files almost, all configured "graphically"
2021-05-22 19:06:51 imachine out of the box, wifi working... etc
2021-05-22 19:07:22 imachine and for the most important part, no hickups on the desktop experience, hard disk activity or cpu maxed out!
2021-05-22 19:08:00 imachine <3 FreeBSD!
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2021-05-22 20:03:38 DarwinElf llua, I said I am not able to copy files to that server
2021-05-22 20:06:26 nesta hehe
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2021-05-22 20:18:59 _xor Heh, my buddy is freaking hilarious.
2021-05-22 20:19:08 nesta is he?
2021-05-22 20:19:58 _xor He's an admin for a small biz. They have this networking appliance they use for some internal stuff. The company that sold them the appliance doubled the rate for the support contract. Company obviously didn't like it, so...
2021-05-22 20:20:44 _xor He wanted to ssh access to the box, but only the company has that login for it. They ssh in to provide remote support. So my buddy sets up an echo server, makes the banner look exactly like their appliance, and routes the firewall to it.
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2021-05-22 20:21:37 _xor Support tries to login and it fails, but my buddy sees the credentials. Once that happens, he changes the firewall route back to the appliance and tells the support guy "Hmm, that's strange. Try again, might have been a networking issue."
2021-05-22 20:21:50 _xor Guy tries again and logs in successfuly, none the wise that my buddy has the login now lol.
2021-05-22 20:23:06 nesta hehe
2021-05-22 20:24:16 nesta well played :)
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2021-05-22 20:24:43 _xor Unethical, but I don't feel bad for the vendor for A) Using password authentication instead of only publickey, and B) Not having some process in place to verify hosts.
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2021-05-22 20:25:46 _xor I still don't understand how their SSH client worked (unless he meant that he used sshd and not an echo server and just had it dump to logs). I should ask him.
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2021-05-22 20:33:31 coolvibe you can tell sshd to log the password in a honeypot setup by patching auth.c of the sshd source code
2021-05-22 20:36:56 coolvibe auth-passwd.c specifically
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2021-05-22 21:24:47 last1 does gateway_enable="YES" do anything else other than set net.inet.ip.forwarding=1 ?
2021-05-22 21:27:15 RhodiumToad nope
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2021-05-22 21:29:05 last1 I have this weird issue, I have a freebsd gateway on the same esxi host as an opnsense vm. the opnsense is doing carp virtual so the local adapter is promiscuous mode/fake mac allowed, etc
2021-05-22 21:29:34 last1 the freebsd gateway is picking up traffic from local IP 192.168.1.3 for example to 192.168.1.95 ( carp virtual IP )
2021-05-22 21:29:49 last1 aka, when I do tcpdump on the gateway, I see all that traffic through there and I can't understand why
2021-05-22 21:30:16 RhodiumToad tcpdump will show you everything the adapter can see
2021-05-22 21:30:18 last1 I thought it was because the adapater was in promiscuous mode, but I have other vms on the same esxi host, and running tcpdump there doesn't show the same traffic
2021-05-22 21:30:30 RhodiumToad tcpdump turns on promisc anyway
2021-05-22 21:30:59 last1 so then how come the gateway can see traffic not destined for it, but other vms can't ?
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2021-05-22 21:31:04 last1 they are all on the same NIC
2021-05-22 21:31:18 last1 I'm trying to determine if that traffic is flowing through the gateway or is just visible to it
2021-05-22 21:31:31 last1 to know if I can safely turn off the gateway..
2021-05-22 21:32:49 RhodiumToad well it'll likely be down to how the VM is set up
2021-05-22 21:33:55 last1 ok, how about this question: does carp virtual IP interface advertise its own mac address ?
2021-05-22 21:34:41 RhodiumToad advertise how?
2021-05-22 21:34:42 last1 which is a virtual mac in the 00:00:5e:XX:XX:04 realm
2021-05-22 21:35:11 last1 well, say my host 192.168.1.3 sends an arp question: who has <virtual ip>
2021-05-22 21:35:28 RhodiumToad then yes, the carp interface should answer that with the virtual mac
2021-05-22 21:36:33 last1 I was reading here: https://www.ibm.com/docs/nl/i/7.1?topic=methods-routing-virtual-ip
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2021-05-22 21:36:51 last1 and they say: Because the virtual IP address is not bound to a single physical interface, the system never responds to an Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) request to the virtual IP address unless you enable proxy ARP for the virtual IP address.
2021-05-22 21:37:17 last1 is this just specific to the IBM stuff or I thought that might be in general
2021-05-22 21:38:45 RhodiumToad it should be up to the carp code to deal with that
2021-05-22 21:39:38 last1 alright
2021-05-22 21:40:03 last1 to determine if the traffic I'm seeing with tcpdump is destined for the local box or not, is it enough to look at the tcpdump -e format and check if the mac addresses match locally ?
2021-05-22 21:40:09 last1 and if it doesn't, it's not meant for it ?
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2021-05-22 21:46:05 RhodiumToad if the mac address is configured locally on an interface, or is a multicast or broadcast address
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2021-05-22 21:49:52 last1 well, I'm lost: can you think of any reason why host 192.168.1.3 would go through my gateway ( 192.168.1.1 ) while talking to 192.168.1.95 ( virtual ip ) ?
2021-05-22 21:50:38 last1 the only thing that's quirky is that the real IPs behind the hosts that advertise 192.168.1.95 are in the 192.168.2.0/24 network, and to get to them, you do have to go through the gateway
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2021-05-22 21:51:08 last1 but would that make traffic destined for 192.168.1.95 go through the gateway instead of just locally ?
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2021-05-22 21:54:13 RhodiumToad on 192.168.1.3, what's the output of route get 192.168.1.95 ?
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2021-05-22 21:56:01 last1 https://pastebin.com/MhTMttza
2021-05-22 21:56:08 last1 I also posted a tcpdump from the gateway
2021-05-22 21:56:23 last1 where I clearly see it in the middle of traffic
2021-05-22 21:57:12 RhodiumToad and on 192.168.1.3, what's the output of arp -an ?
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2021-05-22 21:57:53 last1 ? (192.168.1.95) at 00:00:5e:00:01:04 on em1 expires in 1186 seconds [ethernet]
2021-05-22 21:58:13 last1 I've also tcpdump'd arp requests/replies
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2021-05-22 21:58:27 last1 it shows the opnsense server sending the reply saying it has 00:00:5e:00:01:04
2021-05-22 21:58:35 RhodiumToad which host has 00:00:5e:00:01:04?
2021-05-22 21:58:38 last1 so I don't understand for the life of me how my gateway gets in the middle
2021-05-22 21:58:41 last1 00:00:5e:00:01:04 = opnsense server
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2021-05-22 21:58:55 RhodiumToad I don't think it is in the middle. I think it's seeing the traffic
2021-05-22 21:59:05 last1 I mean: 00:00:5e:00:01:04 = virtual mac for virtual ip
2021-05-22 21:59:16 last1 did you see the tcpdump output I pasted on pastebin ?
2021-05-22 21:59:16 RhodiumToad but that's a matter of how the VMs are configured on the vm host
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2021-05-22 21:59:18 RhodiumToad yes
2021-05-22 21:59:32 last1 isn't that showing that packets get sent to the firewall and it sends them out again ?
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2021-05-22 21:59:52 last1 that's how I read it
2021-05-22 22:00:38 last1 and interesting that the origin mac is the actual interface IP of opnsense and not the virtual mac
2021-05-22 22:00:40 RhodiumToad er
2021-05-22 22:01:02 RhodiumToad on 192.168.1.35, not .3, what is the output of arp -an and route get 192.168.1.95 ?
2021-05-22 22:01:17 drakonan Any ideas on how i can troubleshoot an inoften hard freeze?
2021-05-22 22:01:21 RhodiumToad and all the arp -an output please
2021-05-22 22:02:03 drakonan i.e. the power button no longer shuts the machine off unless i hold it
2021-05-22 22:02:15 last1 drakonan: that's a 4second override
2021-05-22 22:02:20 last1 it's a bios setting
2021-05-22 22:02:40 last1 https://pastebin.com/xTUi4Ru7
2021-05-22 22:02:44 drakonan right but i mean normally i can just press it and the machine will gracefully shutdown
2021-05-22 22:02:54 drakonan when it hard freezes it no longer does that...
2021-05-22 22:03:21 last1 well, that's to be expected if it's frozen
2021-05-22 22:03:24 last1 the OS is no longer responding
2021-05-22 22:03:35 last1 4 second override goes straight to the bios and resets it hard
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2021-05-22 22:04:14 drakonan I just wanted to make sure I conveyed its state the best i could i dont really know anything else about it at that moment... well since its frozen :)
2021-05-22 22:04:30 drakonan i rebooted it a little while ago of course
2021-05-22 22:04:45 last1 is there a core dump ?
2021-05-22 22:05:06 drakonan Anything i can do to prepare for the next one so that I have more data? Last time (this is the second one in... probably weeks) no
2021-05-22 22:05:10 last1 if not, you can try enabling them: https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?core(5)
2021-05-22 22:05:24 drakonan its enabled but it didnt make a dumpfile
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2021-05-22 22:05:52 drakonan at least last time... what was that command again to see the dumpfiles?
2021-05-22 22:06:31 last1 check in /var/crash
2021-05-22 22:06:33 last1 if you have any files
2021-05-22 22:06:39 RhodiumToad last1: are there any fibs in use on any of these hosts (esp. .35) other than fib 0?
2021-05-22 22:07:11 last1 ok, I assume I'm an idiot, I don't know what a fib is
2021-05-22 22:07:19 last1 so I think I can answer that no others are in use
2021-05-22 22:08:07 last1 even on 192.168.1.1 it's the same output
2021-05-22 22:08:17 drakonan there's a minfree but its over a month old
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2021-05-22 22:08:32 last1 ah wait Rhodium
2021-05-22 22:08:35 last1 I may have made some inroad
2021-05-22 22:09:34 mrelcee have yet to have my storage server reboot or freeze during nightly.. Upgrading to 13 was all that changed.. yay. figured i had a dying machine.
2021-05-22 22:09:50 last1 https://pastebin.com/RjkNKm0N
2021-05-22 22:10:06 last1 on my 2nd opnsense box the default route for 192.168.1.95 goes to my gateway
2021-05-22 22:10:25 last1 whereas on the first one it's on loopback, but both are configured the same I think
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2021-05-22 22:15:02 drakonan What do yall recommend for simple sbc's?
2021-05-22 22:15:10 drakonan i guess in this case two nics :/
2021-05-22 22:15:16 drakonan or maybe even 3
2021-05-22 22:17:44 drakonan And... crazy question... do yall run windows on anything?
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2021-05-22 22:21:53 drakonan id like to try and start standardizing somehow in some way...
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2021-05-22 22:34:05 mns with zfs how do I find out what pools I have ?
2021-05-22 22:34:15 last1 zpool status
2021-05-22 22:35:27 mns last1: thanks
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2021-05-22 22:41:42 drakonan last1, why opnsense?
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2021-05-22 22:41:54 drakonan i may be installing something fresh
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2021-05-22 23:01:01 mns I created a new dataset (I think) using: zfs create zroot/vm and want to mount it on /vm yet when I do zfs mount it mounts to /zroot/vm. I've tried using: zfs mount -v -o mountpoint=/vm zroot/vm but that also does the same thing
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2021-05-22 23:02:30 mns I see other datasets like zroot/var which is mounted at /var
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2021-05-22 23:07:33 mns never mind, found the zfs set mountpoint command
2021-05-22 23:08:32 drakonan so im surprised all this newnew with containers freebsd not joining? i know they have jails but... seems like with the docker move they are trying to reinvent it for portability
2021-05-22 23:08:37 drakonan newness*
2021-05-22 23:09:26 drakonan (which i think is pretty cool would be nice to be able to just buy your hardware and lay out the software independently for the most part)
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2021-05-22 23:18:58 Iambchop last1: "but both are configured the same I think" though one is the active node and the other is the backup; lb1 currently owns the vip, or lb2?
2021-05-22 23:19:24 _xor https://github.com/frabert/ClangQL
2021-05-22 23:19:33 last1 lb1
2021-05-22 23:19:40 _xor That looks pretty cool. I wonder how that would work with large codebases like Linux and FreeBSD.
2021-05-22 23:20:06 last1 I dunno, I'm all out of ideas, I've spent about 8h on this
2021-05-22 23:20:18 last1 I think lb1 sends the packets from 192.168.1.95 to 192.168.2.1
2021-05-22 23:20:24 last1 at least that's what tcpdump shows me
2021-05-22 23:20:58 last1 even though it has these routes: https://pastebin.com/xFxzwQ10
2021-05-22 23:21:09 last1 which means it should send directly on the adapter, no ?
2021-05-22 23:21:44 @koobs drakonan: we have a recent runj implementation, and containerd now supports it: https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1389504570708004865
2021-05-22 23:22:08 _xor I saw the blog post by that dude, looks pretty cool.
2021-05-22 23:22:39 @koobs see also: https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1396287568921063426
2021-05-22 23:22:46 @koobs freebsd linux container suppoyrt
2021-05-22 23:22:49 @koobs \o/
2021-05-22 23:23:00 _xor wut?
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2021-05-22 23:24:10 @koobs _xor: basically linux containers on freebsd (via our jail method)
2021-05-22 23:24:20 @koobs nice transition mechanism for existing linux peeps
2021-05-22 23:24:42 _xor Yeah, I mean I saw that project but I'm not quite sure what it means by "Linux" containers support.
2021-05-22 23:24:46 * _xor is reading now
2021-05-22 23:25:18 @koobs automation of this i believe: https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails
2021-05-22 23:25:21 @koobs via runj/containerd
2021-05-22 23:25:42 _xor I thought it was basically a tool that was compliant with the standard that containerd implements.
2021-05-22 23:26:16 @koobs OCI
2021-05-22 23:26:18 @koobs yeh
2021-05-22 23:26:24 _xor To launch and control containers as implemented by jails. Just wondering if it also sets up Linux environments in the jail.
2021-05-22 23:26:30 _xor Right.
2021-05-22 23:26:33 @koobs this's the PR: https://github.com/containerd/containerd/pull/5480https://github.com/containerd/containerd/pull/5480
2021-05-22 23:26:35 @koobs https://github.com/containerd/containerd/pull/5480
2021-05-22 23:27:12 @koobs my understanding is its linux OCI images in runj jails via containerd
2021-05-22 23:27:23 @koobs but i may be wrong
2021-05-22 23:27:24 _xor Ah ok it's mounting the Linux compat fs into the jail.
2021-05-22 23:27:31 @koobs indeed, likely wrong :)
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2021-05-22 23:46:19 drakonan How common is freebsd for jobs?
2021-05-22 23:46:42 DaRock hey guys
2021-05-22 23:46:43 drakonan I'm thinking about trying to minimally learn some commandline fw stuff but trying to decide
2021-05-22 23:47:03 _xor Jobs as in companies that use it and need employees that have the know-how or jobs as in a task queue/workers?
2021-05-22 23:47:46 drakonan companies and need for employees :)
2021-05-22 23:48:11 drakonan i don't know maybe its a good idea anyway to have your router be different code than your backend stuff
2021-05-22 23:48:23 DaRock nested jails - apparently the parent jail won't run the rc.d/jail script at all. Anyone come across this before?
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2021-05-22 23:49:14 _xor DaRock: Is exec.start set to /etc/rc?
2021-05-22 23:49:33 _xor drakonan: Personally, I think it would be good to know anyway, but that's just me.
2021-05-22 23:49:44 DaRock yep, and everything else works as expected - weird... :-/
2021-05-22 23:50:02 _xor Launch it with jail -v and see what it says.
2021-05-22 23:50:11 _xor (or whatever the setting is to turn on verbose logging)
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2021-05-22 23:51:00 DaRock done that - shows other services starting; but not jail...
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2021-05-22 23:53:54 DaRock set rc_debug on and still no jail :-/
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2021-05-23 00:08:31 DaRock ok - seems the rc system keywords include nojail, ironically set in the rc.d/jail script... :-)
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2021-05-23 00:08:45 DaRock so much or nested jails...
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2021-05-23 01:10:12 drakonan Are binaries the same between bsd and linux or can they be?
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2021-05-23 01:13:35 khng Binaries between FreeBSD and Linux are different. They cannot be the same without ABI emulation.
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2021-05-23 01:29:31 drakonan oh ok
2021-05-23 01:30:21 drakonan If bsd runs in to a hardware fault where would it log the output? say a driver issue or hard disk failure?
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2021-05-23 01:32:32 drakonan not failure but read error...
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2021-05-23 01:46:36 vstemen drakonan, most errors go in /var/log/messages
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2021-05-23 03:15:44 * Erhard grumbles
2021-05-23 03:16:13 bagira why are you grumbling Erhard
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2021-05-23 04:46:39 @debdrup drakonan: well, they're both ELF binaries, but they're branded differently - which is why, to run Linux binaries on FreeBSD, you'll need to use the Linuxulator (which does syscall translation) _and_ you also have to use the brandelf(1) utility.
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2021-05-23 05:32:41 _xor Does Linux have anything like the syscall layer that FreeBSD & WinNT have? Last I remember reading a few years ago, the syscall API in Linux couldn't easily be extended/swapped/etc.
2021-05-23 05:35:45 @debdrup I'm not sure #FreeBSD is the right channel for that question. ;)
2021-05-23 05:37:07 @debdrup Windows 10 WSL1 is syscall translation like Linuxulator (and possibly inspired by it, since Microsoft ported dtrace from FreeBSD). However, WSL2 is just hardware-accelerated virtualization with SLAT, so it's not nearly as interesting.
2021-05-23 05:37:37 _xor Yup.
2021-05-23 05:38:07 _xor WinNT has had its syscall interface since 3.51, I believe.
2021-05-23 05:38:19 _xor That's how they do PE-compat across versions.
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2021-05-23 05:40:10 @debdrup Sure, but if it's a competition, IBM mainframes have longer ABI compatibility :P
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2021-05-23 07:48:00 @daemon koobs, I wrote a bot for #perl to alert users of the move I could joint it here if helpful
2021-05-23 07:48:06 @daemon join*
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2021-05-23 08:20:53 kiwichap hello how do I determine how much space/resources are remaining?
2021-05-23 08:20:59 kiwichap like memory I mean
2021-05-23 08:22:58 Ner0Zer0 hi, is it possible in /bin/sh script to access variable by the name from another variable ?
2021-05-23 08:24:53 Ner0Zer0 without eval
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2021-05-23 08:26:00 kilitary kiwichap: man vmstat
2021-05-23 08:27:06 kiwichap ok memory avm 18G fre 43M
2021-05-23 08:27:14 kiwichap does it mean I only have 43Megabytes free?
2021-05-23 08:27:43 @debdrup Free memory is wasted electricity.
2021-05-23 08:28:05 kiwichap so it's not an issue?
2021-05-23 08:28:17 kiwichap or I need to roll back services or definitely don't think to add anymore?
2021-05-23 08:28:26 @debdrup Not unless you need to run something that needs more than 43MB of memory.
2021-05-23 08:28:38 kilitary in same time
2021-05-23 08:28:50 @debdrup It's most likely filesystem caching that's taking up a large part of your memory to improve access times.
2021-05-23 08:28:52 jpw so long as you're not swapping "free" memory is a pointless stat
2021-05-23 08:29:06 @debdrup jpw: sorry, but that's bad advice.
2021-05-23 08:29:20 jpw enlighten me
2021-05-23 08:29:39 @debdrup Long-running processes can sometimes lead to some swap usage, without it being a problem.
2021-05-23 08:30:06 @debdrup That's even without setting vm.swap_idle_enabled to 1 using sysctl(8).
2021-05-23 08:30:22 kilitary what this sysctl means?
2021-05-23 08:30:30 @debdrup Use sysctl -d to find out.
2021-05-23 08:30:57 kilitary Allow swapout on idle criteria
2021-05-23 08:31:01 kilitary but what that mean?
2021-05-23 08:31:29 @debdrup It means that if part of a processes memory space is idle, it can be swapped to disk.
2021-05-23 08:32:00 kilitary even if there is free memory exist?
2021-05-23 08:32:06 @debdrup Yes.
2021-05-23 08:32:09 kilitary hmm
2021-05-23 08:32:11 kilitary why?
2021-05-23 08:32:16 jpw creating an unnecessary slowdown when then memory page is re-activated :p
2021-05-23 08:32:33 jpw i stand by my previous advice
2021-05-23 08:32:50 @debdrup jpw: there are absolutely use-cases where it makes sense, for example on long-running systems with very low memory where something may be accessed very infrequently.
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2021-05-23 08:33:33 @debdrup For example an access point with wpa_supplicant where there are no new devices connecting but just a lot of existing devices.
2021-05-23 08:34:09 jpw this isn't the dark ages any more. if you know you need swap go for it. most modern internet servers don't and it's counter productive to enable it
2021-05-23 08:34:10 kiwichap I'm just running web server from this
2021-05-23 08:34:15 jpw but lets agree to disagree
2021-05-23 08:34:35 kiwichap I was looking to add java eclipse but now seeing 43mb is getting me nervous
2021-05-23 08:34:50 kilitary it is very slow
2021-05-23 08:34:56 kilitary what language you want to use?
2021-05-23 08:35:43 kiwichap well I was looking at a combination of C, python, common lisp, java/jsp, nodejs, html, php,
2021-05-23 08:35:50 kiwichap perl
2021-05-23 08:36:24 kilitary for c - visual studio/clion, python - pycharm, html/php-phpstorm
2021-05-23 08:36:31 kilitary for what use u want old perl?
2021-05-23 08:36:36 @debdrup Slow down a bit there.
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2021-05-23 08:37:08 kiwichap I downloaded p5 it must be the newest version there but it seems good for example if this ip address send here if that ip address send there
2021-05-23 08:37:35 @debdrup First, figure out what's using the memory - are you, for example, using ZFS with vfs.zfs.arc_max set to its default value?
2021-05-23 08:38:08 @debdrup What does patch levels have to do with IP addresses?
2021-05-23 08:38:09 kiwichap not sure I am using a kvm virtual box from an isp I didn't install freebsd
2021-05-23 08:39:00 @debdrup Please do 'top -b | nc termbin.com 9999' and type or copy/paste the resulting link here.
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2021-05-23 08:39:52 kiwichap https://termbin.com/0rnw
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2021-05-23 08:40:46 @debdrup That looks fine to me, although if you're using a big database, you might wanna add more memory as 1GB is too little.
2021-05-23 08:41:05 kiwichap it's 2GB
2021-05-23 08:41:20 kiwichap I hardly have any values to be honest
2021-05-23 08:41:38 @debdrup What's the output of "sysctl -n hw.realmem" ?
2021-05-23 08:41:42 kiwichap I haven't implemented it nor populated it
2021-05-23 08:42:05 kiwichap 2147483648
2021-05-23 08:43:07 kiwichap like I have but just in a small way not a major way
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2021-05-23 08:43:35 @debdrup Well, since you don't have any swap, it'll likely get OOM killed if you go way over anyway.
2021-05-23 08:43:46 @debdrup But what's the problem?
2021-05-23 08:44:29 @debdrup You've got almost half a gigabyte of memory that's either inactive or in laundry, so the VM can easily free up all of that if it has to.
2021-05-23 08:44:54 @debdrup VM subsystem, I mean*
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2021-05-23 08:45:15 @debdrup FreeBSD is designed to not waste time freeing up memory when there's no memory pressure.
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2021-05-23 08:45:46 @debdrup If it did waste time freeing up memory when there's no memory pressure, that's CPUtime that would be taken away from other proceesses.
2021-05-23 08:48:36 kiwichap ok so I can basically continue doing whatever I need to do
2021-05-23 08:48:43 kiwichap thank you
2021-05-23 08:50:23 @debdrup You might wanna add some swap, not only because you "only" have 2GB, but also because in the unlikely event that your system crashes, the swap partition is necessary to get crash information.
2021-05-23 08:50:49 kiwichap how do I add swap?
2021-05-23 08:51:49 kiwichap just checking the manual
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2021-05-23 11:01:19 kilitary which idle function i should used inside virtualbox vm?
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2021-05-23 14:25:10 uskerine believe or not I can not find an ASCII chart in a single .txt file anywhere on the internet, everything is either HTML or whatever
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2021-05-23 14:26:02 TheBeastie uskerine: have you tried man ascii ?
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2021-05-23 14:26:38 uskerine that is cool
2021-05-23 14:26:45 uskerine can I also find the extended characters?
2021-05-23 14:27:15 y2k https://theasciicode.com.ar/ascii-codes.txt
2021-05-23 14:27:18 TheBeastie you have something better....
2021-05-23 14:27:27 TheBeastie cat /usr/share/misc/ascii
2021-05-23 14:27:49 TheBeastie there are not extended characters in ascii code.
2021-05-23 14:28:11 uskerine I know
2021-05-23 14:28:12 TheBeastie just from 0(null) to 127(del)
2021-05-23 14:28:24 TheBeastie so what do you mean by extended....?
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2021-05-23 14:28:34 uskerine but we know that there were those codepages with the rest of the symbols 128-255 to draw boxes etc
2021-05-23 14:28:48 TheBeastie all those codepages are not ascii.
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2021-05-23 14:29:12 uskerine so technically I want the code page 437 I guess
2021-05-23 14:29:39 TheBeastie ah.... that's not even iso-latin-1, nor unicode, nor hp-roman-8, ...
2021-05-23 14:30:10 TheBeastie you can get it from ibm-pc documentation.
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2021-05-23 14:31:05 TheBeastie https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A1gina_de_c%C3%B3digos_437
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2021-05-23 14:31:23 TheBeastie sorry, it's in spanish.... but sure you can get it in english.
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2021-05-23 14:32:37 y2k user282069: https://theasciicode.com.ar/ and https://theasciicode.com.ar/ascii-codes.txt
2021-05-23 14:33:09 TheBeastie y2k: you have an ascii map in text code in freebsd file /usr/share/misc/ascii
2021-05-23 14:34:30 y2k Yes, i know but ask for a .txt url.
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2021-05-23 14:35:18 TheBeastie y2k: txt is that file.
2021-05-23 14:36:03 TheBeastie file:///usr/share/misc/ascii
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2021-05-23 15:22:13 AppleGNU AllanJude is the best. Loved him on BSD Now. Dunno if he still does that.
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2021-05-23 15:23:58 @AllanJude yes, still do it, although starting a few weeks ago, Tom does half of the episodes instead of me
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2021-05-23 15:28:32 AppleGNU Good to know, AllanJude. Gotta take another stab at making a timecapsule out of fbsd tonight. Butchered it last night somehow.
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2021-05-23 15:45:45 SpaceBass Just subscribed
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2021-05-23 17:16:41 happyquack If you can understand the reason behind the new policy that lets rasengan arbitrary take over channels now (https://github.com/freenode/web-7.0/commit/1194a3e71a427a669ccdddee22006416d46eeb43) (https://www.devever.net/~hl/freenode_abuse), please let me know. His explanation is this: <rasengan> href: Some communities have lost site of their mission and are engaged in a campaign to fracture the FOSS community. We're attempting to solicit feedback
2021-05-23 17:16:46 happyquack from the community to incorporate better policies to help keep the FOSS community whole.
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2021-05-23 17:20:14 SpaceBass Been fighting bind916 on a raspberry pi for a week...might throw this box out the window in a minute
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2021-05-23 17:22:11 RhodiumToad I run bind on an rpi2
2021-05-23 17:22:14 RhodiumToad what's the issue?
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2021-05-23 17:23:21 SpaceBass RhodiumToad in this case, I'm using the pi as a small domain controller with samba412. Bind will start with the default named.conf, but when I add the samba include it fails. The exact same set up works on all my x86-based DCs... makes me think there's something wrong with either the samba port or bind port for arm
2021-05-23 17:23:33 RhodiumToad fails how?
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2021-05-23 17:23:39 RhodiumToad I don't use samba however
2021-05-23 17:24:09 SpaceBass /var/db/samba4/bind-dns/named.conf:14: expected string near '/'
2021-05-23 17:24:33 SpaceBass The line in question (from the samba install): database /usr/local/lib/samba4/modules/bind9/dlz_bind9_16.so";
2021-05-23 17:24:51 RhodiumToad missing " there?
2021-05-23 17:25:10 RhodiumToad surely database "/usr/local/lib/samba4/modules/bind9/dlz_bind9_16.so";
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2021-05-23 17:26:16 RhodiumToad if the samba install installed that file and you haven't modified it at all, it might be a bug in the samba port
2021-05-23 17:26:32 SpaceBass Interesting! I just compared the samba4/bind-dns/named.conf file from some x86 installs (didn't think to do that earlier) and they are different!
2021-05-23 17:26:57 SpaceBass On x86 the line is: database "dlopen /usr/local/lib/samba4/modules/bind9/dlz_bind9_16.so";
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2021-05-23 17:27:13 RhodiumToad ahh
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2021-05-23 17:28:24 RhodiumToad which package exactly installs that?
2021-05-23 17:28:29 SpaceBass Now it works! ...thanks for helping me sus that out!
2021-05-23 17:29:02 SpaceBass Samba
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2021-05-23 17:30:27 RhodiumToad samba installs it in /var/db ?
2021-05-23 17:30:55 RhodiumToad oh, it installs it in setup/ ?
2021-05-23 17:32:01 SpaceBass I believe samba installs it in /var/db - that's the default location for all of Samba's *looks up term*... stuff
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2021-05-23 17:33:29 RhodiumToad right, but packages shouldn't normally install directly in /var (or anywhere outside PREFIX with a few exceptions)
2021-05-23 17:34:36 RhodiumToad that .conf file seems to be generated by a python script, I don't see anything that would cause it to be messed up
2021-05-23 17:35:26 SpaceBass The pi version was also missing the dlopen part of the line
2021-05-23 17:35:49 RhodiumToad hmm
2021-05-23 17:36:06 RhodiumToad there's a patch in the port that modifies the script in question
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2021-05-23 17:37:40 RhodiumToad if building the port generates that line incorrectly, that's a bug that needs to be chased down
2021-05-23 17:38:24 SpaceBass I'm apparently sufficient at finding the bug but identifying the root cause might be out of my skill set. I can, however, log it :)
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2021-05-23 17:50:15 SpaceBass Found the script that contains the error
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2021-05-23 17:50:55 RhodiumToad sambadns.py?
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2021-05-23 17:51:13 SpaceBass samba_dnsupdate
2021-05-23 17:51:18 RhodiumToad ooh
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2021-05-23 17:52:40 RhodiumToad patch-bind in the port files/ patches sambadns.py but I don't see any reference to samba_dnsupdate yet
2021-05-23 17:53:15 RhodiumToad anything indicate why it's wrong on arm and not x86?
2021-05-23 17:54:05 SpaceBass Unrelated to samba... I can't get this instance of bind to resolve anything or use the forwarder... there's an ACL for the local network but everything (except! Samba names) gets a 'refused'
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2021-05-23 17:55:08 SpaceBass RhodiumToad another finding... I thought my other installs were samba 4.12 also but they aren't, they are 4,11
2021-05-23 17:55:36 SpaceBass Checking all my others
2021-05-23 17:56:11 RhodiumToad ah, so it could be a version thing
2021-05-23 17:56:22 RhodiumToad I was looking at the 4.13 port I think
2021-05-23 17:56:51 SpaceBass Here's what I'm finding... the error is present in 4.12 and 4.13 but is correct in 4.11
2021-05-23 17:57:50 * debdrup thought for a second those were FreeBSD versions..
2021-05-23 17:58:27 SpaceBass Lol! I'm waiting for 5.x to really prove its stability
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2021-05-23 17:58:49 RhodiumToad freebsd 4.x were excellent versions :-)
2021-05-23 18:00:28 SpaceBass Ok, now this Pi instance of bind has an identical named.conf (except for listen address) to my others, but still refuses to answer queries
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2021-05-23 18:04:08 RhodiumToad you checked you're looking at the right named.conf?
2021-05-23 18:04:15 RhodiumToad is named running in chroot?
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2021-05-23 18:08:11 SpaceBass Yeah /u/l/e/named/named.conf (which has an include line for the samba specific stuff)... so I can resolve dc.internaldomain.cc but I can't resolve google.com
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2021-05-23 18:10:20 RhodiumToad if named is running in chroot, that file is just copied into the chroot when you start the service, iirc
2021-05-23 18:11:08 RhodiumToad so make sure you restart after changing it, or check /var/named/usr/local/etc/...
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2021-05-23 18:12:26 SpaceBass Not using chroot and I'm bouncing the service after edits
2021-05-23 18:13:22 RhodiumToad are the other systems using the same bind version?
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2021-05-23 18:14:32 SpaceBass yeah
2021-05-23 18:14:37 SpaceBass All 9.16
2021-05-23 18:14:56 SpaceBass Im quite sure this issue is a config issue on my end rather than a bug like the samba stuff
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2021-05-23 18:15:15 RhodiumToad but the config is the same?
2021-05-23 18:15:34 * SpaceBass pulls hair out
2021-05-23 18:15:45 SpaceBass I literally did nothing...nothing...and it started working
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2021-05-23 18:15:53 RhodiumToad hah
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2021-05-23 18:16:20 RhodiumToad don;t you just hate it when that happens
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2021-05-23 18:16:56 SpaceBass Does it make sense that it might just need to run for a bit? Like maybe to pull a fresh list of root servers or something?
2021-05-23 18:17:13 SpaceBass Just restarted it and it's refusing again...going to let it run and see what happens
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2021-05-23 18:17:45 RhodiumToad how have you configured the root zone?
2021-05-23 18:17:47 et09 let's say hypothetically i want an ssh server, for file serving, in a chroot jail limited to 10 specific directories
2021-05-23 18:17:57 et09 exposing that sshd to port whatever on the host
2021-05-23 18:18:05 et09 this is pretty easy right? i havent done this yet
2021-05-23 18:18:21 RhodiumToad you use a real jail, not a chroot
2021-05-23 18:18:42 et09 right sorry
2021-05-23 18:18:47 et09 i keep forgetting it's diff :-O
2021-05-23 18:19:36 RhodiumToad you can use a nat rule in pf or ipfw to expose the sshd on some port on the host's ip without exposing anything else from the jail
2021-05-23 18:20:11 RhodiumToad you can use nullmounts to hook up the filesystem how you want
2021-05-23 18:20:17 RhodiumToad lots of choices
2021-05-23 18:20:49 et09 i have some reading to do
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2021-05-23 18:25:52 SpaceBass ok...if I run named in the foreground, it resolves fine. If I run it as a service, it does not o_0
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2021-05-23 18:33:03 RhodiumToad what do you have in rc.conf for it?
2021-05-23 18:34:42 SpaceBass named_enable="YES"
2021-05-23 18:35:18 RhodiumToad nothing else?
2021-05-23 18:37:48 SpaceBass No
2021-05-23 18:38:10 RhodiumToad how did you start it manually?
2021-05-23 18:39:17 SpaceBass In this case, I was explicitly looking at the log: named -u bind -f -g 2>&1 | tee /tmp/named.log
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2021-05-23 18:44:25 adonis Hi all. Why does installation of something like postgis also install postgresql when its an extension? Something as small as installing an extension to me should install just the extension and if you have psql installed great. if not, extension is still installed but wont work obviously.
2021-05-23 18:45:07 adonis It also means that installing postgis31 package also brings with it a version of psql the user may not want. In my case right now it brings psql12, but I want 13.
2021-05-23 18:45:21 FUZxxl adonis: installing a binary package?
2021-05-23 18:45:24 adonis yes
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2021-05-23 18:45:27 adonis not the port
2021-05-23 18:45:28 FUZxxl if you compile the port from source you can select options
2021-05-23 18:45:34 FUZxxl otherwise check out flavours
2021-05-23 18:45:42 FUZxxl and if that fails, complain to the maintainer
2021-05-23 18:45:43 RhodiumToad the postgresql port isn't very flexible about versions at this time, unfortunately
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2021-05-23 18:46:31 adonis @RhodiumToad can you elaborate on that a bit more. Not flexible in what way?
2021-05-23 18:46:43 RhodiumToad if you build the postgis port yourself, it will pick up a DEFAULT_VERSIONS += pgsql=13 setting in make.conf
2021-05-23 18:47:07 adonis right. I went through with that and went through compilation of a bunch of ports
2021-05-23 18:47:14 adonis llvm, doxygen etc etc
2021-05-23 18:47:19 RhodiumToad the port doesn't allow installing multiple versions at once, and all the dependent binary packages are built for one single default pg version
2021-05-23 18:47:57 RhodiumToad (currently pg 12)
2021-05-23 18:48:38 adonis right so as soon as I bump to psql13 and then try to do pkg upgrade, pkg complains I have to reinstall psql back to 12..
2021-05-23 18:48:46 RhodiumToad what _should_ happen is that it should all be converted to flavors so that there can be binaries for everything
2021-05-23 18:48:56 RhodiumToad but that's a fair chunk of maintainer work
2021-05-23 18:49:24 RhodiumToad you will need to pkg lock anything that you installed yourself from ports
2021-05-23 18:49:30 adonis right
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2021-05-23 18:52:10 adonis so for ex: I just locked postgis31, psql13{client|server|contrib} and am doing pkg upgrade..
2021-05-23 18:52:21 adonis its saying it wants to install postgresql12 still
2021-05-23 18:52:22 adonis lol
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2021-05-23 18:52:34 adonis I'm wondering what pkg is asking for that still
2021-05-23 18:52:45 FUZxxl adonis: one thing you can do is install binary packages for ports dependencies
2021-05-23 18:52:51 FUZxxl there is an option to do that automatically
2021-05-23 18:52:54 FUZxxl but I kinda forgot its name
2021-05-23 18:52:59 RhodiumToad hm
2021-05-23 18:53:01 adonis oh
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2021-05-23 18:53:21 RhodiumToad depends how you're building the port
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2021-05-23 18:53:39 FUZxxl USE_PACKAGE_DEPENDS maybe? Not sure what the name was
2021-05-23 18:53:46 adonis I'm really more confused on my orig question. why postgis31 needs the entire client/server installed.
2021-05-23 18:54:01 FUZxxl because someone entered this as a runtime dependency
2021-05-23 18:54:04 RhodiumToad that's the one, but it doesn't use pkg install, it assumes the pkg already exists in /usr/ports/packages and tries to pkg add it
2021-05-23 18:54:15 FUZxxl oh that sounds useless
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2021-05-23 18:54:43 RhodiumToad adonis: you don't think it's correct for a plugin to X to have a runtime dependency on X?
2021-05-23 18:54:53 FUZxxl RhodiumToad: nope
2021-05-23 18:55:02 FUZxxl I mean, only if it must have X installed to work
2021-05-23 18:55:13 adonis @RhodiumToad as a runtime dep yes. but it shouldn't prevent its installation
2021-05-23 18:55:22 adonis to run you need it but not to install
2021-05-23 18:55:39 adonis if that makes sense :/
2021-05-23 18:55:41 RhodiumToad that makes no sense
2021-05-23 18:55:46 adonis lol
2021-05-23 18:55:51 RhodiumToad literally anything could be installed without its dependencies
2021-05-23 18:56:46 adonis So imagine I build a psql extension. It needs psql12+. I can send it to you.. you can install it (it doesn’t force the installation of any psql)
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2021-05-23 18:57:08 adonis when you actually run your psql then yea you can go ahead and say CREATE EXTENSION in psql.
2021-05-23 18:57:22 adonis but you won't ever get there if no psql is installed which I don't force you to install.
2021-05-23 18:58:04 RhodiumToad but it still makes no sense to install the plugin
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2021-05-23 18:58:23 adonis right but that’s your decision
2021-05-23 18:58:32 * RhodiumToad is a pg developer, if you're not aware, but isn't involved in the freebsd postgresql ports
2021-05-23 18:58:59 FUZxxl oh interesting
2021-05-23 18:59:02 adonis I'm just shooting my thoughts lol
2021-05-23 18:59:05 RhodiumToad but that argument would extend to every run dependency anywhere?
2021-05-23 18:59:12 FUZxxl RhodiumToad: nope
2021-05-23 18:59:34 FUZxxl rule of thumb, if the program you install would crash without the dependency, the dependency is mandatory
2021-05-23 18:59:43 FUZxxl if it would just be less useful, the dependency is not mandatory
2021-05-23 19:00:06 RhodiumToad FUZxxl: in the postgis example, there is literally no way to run postgis proper without pg installed
2021-05-23 19:00:11 adonis right
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2021-05-23 19:00:20 RhodiumToad it's a plugin for the postgresql server to load
2021-05-23 19:00:30 adonis So to me in that case it should say: psql not installed please install psql12+
2021-05-23 19:00:34 adonis that’s not a crash though
2021-05-23 19:00:48 RhodiumToad no, it depends on a _specific version_ of pg
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2021-05-23 19:01:12 RhodiumToad you can't compile postgis against one pg version and then use it with a different one
2021-05-23 19:01:33 RhodiumToad (same is true for all postgis plugins, the server version is compiled into the .so)
2021-05-23 19:01:34 adonis you can't compile postgis against 12 and have it work with 13?
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2021-05-23 19:01:51 RhodiumToad nope, the server internal ABI isn't compatible between versions
2021-05-23 19:01:57 adonis ah ok
2021-05-23 19:02:13 adonis so now that makes more sense
2021-05-23 19:02:17 * RhodiumToad in fact is in the middle of fixing one of his own plugins to make it work with pg 14
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2021-05-23 19:02:53 adonis so then psql is not even a runtime dep, it’s a compile time dep
2021-05-23 19:02:54 RhodiumToad the client-server interface is very stable, so clients can usually use any server version
2021-05-23 19:03:04 RhodiumToad it's a compile time and run time dep
2021-05-23 19:03:11 adonis right
2021-05-23 19:04:01 RhodiumToad but plugins are much more intimately dependent on the server, which (a) means they can do a lot more stuff, but (b) they have to cope with server version changes
2021-05-23 19:04:42 RhodiumToad the server will actually refuse to load a plugin that was compiled against the wrong version or with incompatible options
2021-05-23 19:05:23 adonis gotcha. Ok yea didn't know that :)
2021-05-23 19:05:42 RhodiumToad server-side data structure layouts change, etc., as part of server development
2021-05-23 19:05:56 adonis when i go to postgis.net it says installation requires one to do -> CREATE EXTENSION postgis;
2021-05-23 19:06:09 adonis doing that alone won't work on postgresql for freebsd?
2021-05-23 19:06:22 RhodiumToad hm?
2021-05-23 19:06:39 RhodiumToad that assumes you already have the .so and other required files installed
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2021-05-23 19:06:46 adonis ok...
2021-05-23 19:06:59 RhodiumToad freebsd is no different from other platforms in this respect
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2021-05-23 19:07:08 adonis which simply installing psql{server|client|contrib} wont bring in right?
2021-05-23 19:07:19 adonis hence the need for installing the pkg or building the port
2021-05-23 19:07:28 RhodiumToad the CREATE EXTENSION command only adds the necessary SQL definitions to the target database to allow the functions to be used
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2021-05-23 19:08:34 RhodiumToad installing postgresql*-server will install all the postgres binaries etc., but won't install postgis obviously
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2021-05-23 19:08:57 adonis but there are some extensions that are installed via contrib right, like earthdistance?
2021-05-23 19:08:59 RhodiumToad that's important because postgis depends on a whole ton of stuff that postgres itself doesn't
2021-05-23 19:09:05 RhodiumToad right
2021-05-23 19:09:26 adonis just wondering if there was a way to specify postgis in the actual compilation or pkg install of psql itself
2021-05-23 19:09:34 RhodiumToad postgresql-contrib is a bundle of standard extensions that are maintained alongside postgresql itself
2021-05-23 19:09:36 adonis or* instead of
2021-05-23 19:09:38 RhodiumToad no
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2021-05-23 19:09:45 RhodiumToad postgis is a separate project
2021-05-23 19:09:53 adonis Ok got it :)
2021-05-23 19:10:43 adonis thanks!
2021-05-23 19:11:23 RhodiumToad -contrib is almost all stuff that depends on postgres internals in some way, so the restriction that new versions of -contrib modules can only be released alongside new postgresql versions isn't such an issue
2021-05-23 19:11:54 RhodiumToad but obviously for projects that are being worked on by other people, that restriction on release cycle wouldn't be tolerable
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2021-05-23 19:17:38 adonis When doing pkg upgrade something wants to install both psql9.5 client and psql12-client. How do I find what pkg that may be?
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2021-05-23 19:18:07 * RhodiumToad not sure.
2021-05-23 19:18:21 RhodiumToad I build my own binary package sets
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2021-05-23 19:50:52 et09 postgis plagues my life RhodiumToad
2021-05-23 19:51:09 et09 namely due to poor code control and migrations
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2021-05-23 20:15:13 Ampera rate my sick server rack doods: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/575356058818838539/846146834426363984/20210523_180139.jpg
2021-05-23 20:15:24 Ampera just finished putting things together, has been my project for the past few weeks or more
2021-05-23 20:16:12 rennj looks like a fire hazard
2021-05-23 20:16:17 Ampera bottom is a Proliant DL580 G7 with 40 cores, running bhyve and servicing my website and ZNC, and the top is an old X5650 board which is running FreeBSD for use as a storage server
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2021-05-23 20:16:32 Ampera rennj, you'd be absolutely correct, but that's what makes it exciting
2021-05-23 20:16:51 rennj https://sharkrack.com/
2021-05-23 20:17:07 Ampera far beyond my price range
2021-05-23 20:17:28 rennj 47U for $1300.00
2021-05-23 20:17:34 rennj locking doors
2021-05-23 20:17:45 rennj security
2021-05-23 20:17:56 Ampera that entire server setup, including the 240V wiring to it, is maybe 1300USD in total
2021-05-23 20:18:37 Ampera also, I'm not sure if you can tell by the toy trucks, but this isn't exactly heavily planned
2021-05-23 20:19:18 rennj tonka trucks!
2021-05-23 20:19:36 Ampera I bet your 1300 dollar rack doesn't come with tonka trucks >:)
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2021-05-23 20:26:20 AndrewBC I bought an A/V rack and made sure it expanded to server rack sizes
2021-05-23 20:26:37 AndrewBC people don't realize what they have!
2021-05-23 20:27:19 AndrewBC 'course it's not fancy and you have to screw in each hole bullshit but...
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2021-05-23 20:28:29 Ampera but does it come with tonka trucks?
2021-05-23 20:28:52 rennj whats crazy is companies that dump perfectly fine racks
2021-05-23 20:29:01 rennj my buddy has like 72U dell rack in his home, company dumped it
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2021-05-23 20:29:20 rennj he just had to hall the thing
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2021-05-23 20:29:55 Ampera I've considered that, I just don't have a place it
2021-05-23 20:30:12 Ampera this shelf was particularly convenient, as it fits two 4U servers fairly easily, with space to get behind them and attach cables
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2021-05-23 20:32:24 AndrewBC my first generation rack was a plywood reptile cage someone left on the side of the road. mind turning .. those look like 2U slots ...
2021-05-23 20:36:11 rennj StarTech 12U Open Frame Adjustable 4-Post Rack under $250.00
2021-05-23 20:37:09 rennj https://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-Open-Frame-Server-Rack/dp/B00P1RJ9LS/
2021-05-23 20:37:28 rennj Casters!
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2021-05-24 18:38:23 -- Topic for #freebsd is "20210524 - Update #3 on FreeBSD IRC re freenode situation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-05-24 18:38:23 -- Topic set by koobs on Mon, 24 May 2021 00:16:43
2021-05-24 18:38:23 -- Channel #freebsd: 703 nicks (7 ops, 0 voices, 696 normals)
2021-05-24 18:38:23 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): Please check handbook and manual pages first at https://freebsd.org/handbook and https://man.freebsd.org | Always use a pastebin, either https://bsd.to or https://termbin.com
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2021-05-24 18:38:37 -- Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-05-24 18:42:15 -- Topic for #freebsd is "20210524 - Update #3 on FreeBSD IRC re freenode situation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-05-24 18:42:15 -- Topic set by koobs on Mon, 24 May 2021 00:16:43
2021-05-24 18:42:15 -- Channel #freebsd: 701 nicks (7 ops, 0 voices, 694 normals)
2021-05-24 18:42:16 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): Please check handbook and manual pages first at https://freebsd.org/handbook and https://man.freebsd.org | Always use a pastebin, either https://bsd.to or https://termbin.com
2021-05-24 18:42:29 -- Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-05-24 19:59:15 Dark wow
2021-05-24 19:59:17 Dark We moving out?
2021-05-24 19:59:45 RhodiumToad see topic; no decision yet
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2021-05-24 20:00:18 Dark Well let me know if you guys move so I can register the #freebsd-es
2021-05-24 20:00:26 Dark Over there
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2021-05-24 20:01:21 RhodiumToad you might want to register it regardless
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2021-05-24 20:04:13 Dark Done
2021-05-24 20:04:17 Dark With the nick TiMiDO
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2021-05-24 20:32:01 bsdbandit what is everyone using for virtualization
2021-05-24 20:32:09 bsdbandit other than virtualbozx
2021-05-24 20:32:10 bsdbandit box
2021-05-24 20:32:11 bsdbandit ?
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2021-05-24 20:39:51 -- ptx0 is now known as d[^_^]b
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2021-05-24 20:52:50 RipFreenode[llf] SUPPORT LLF (LET'S LEAVE FREENODE) BY ONLY WRITING IN CAPSLOCK FROM NOW. ADD [llf] TO YOUR NICK!
2021-05-24 20:53:04 nesta no
2021-05-24 20:53:15 RipFreenode[llf] yes
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2021-05-24 21:02:39 mvanbaak what the ... of course not
2021-05-24 21:03:15 RhodiumToad just say no to anonymous tor trolls
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2021-05-24 21:04:49 mvanbaak yups. annoying
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2021-05-24 21:05:47 mvanbaak I get it there is an issue right now and I'm in favor of moving off of freenode, but common, have a look at the topic and let the powers that be do their work. Those kind of childish actions dont help anyone
2021-05-24 21:06:30 RhodiumToad (a) they left and (b) you're assuming some trace of good faith, which seems silly
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2021-05-24 22:24:40 R2COM so if I want to deploy poudriere server to serve packages for my own purpose, can it be done on same single PC?
2021-05-24 22:25:01 R2COM i.e. build poudriere ports, run webserver and use packages from that server all on single same PC?
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2021-05-24 22:28:59 vishwin yes, and you don't even need an httpd for that
2021-05-24 22:29:20 vishwin pkg repositories can be specified with file://
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2021-05-24 22:30:07 vishwin using file:// will also save you some disk space as the logic for downloading and caching packages is not followed
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2021-05-24 23:10:05 _xor Those trolls are so cringworthy with stuff like "LLF" etc
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2021-05-24 23:19:35 _xor Hmm, if I track head on ports, I wonder how long I could go before builds start failing due to the target FreeBSD version.
2021-05-24 23:21:17 RhodiumToad why would they fail?
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2021-05-24 23:21:33 R2COM hm
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2021-05-24 23:22:55 _xor Well, thinking about it now, my assumptions are probably wrong.
2021-05-24 23:23:18 RhodiumToad ports support for old fbsd versions does end when those versions are EOLed
2021-05-24 23:23:28 _xor I was thinking that ports might refuse to build for specific ABIs (like trying to build a port from 2000 in 2021 lets say)
2021-05-24 23:23:56 _xor But I'm now wondering (and should read the docs on this) as to how ports specify the specific version of FreeBSD support (if they do) and if it's whitelist/blacklist/etc.
2021-05-24 23:24:04 RhodiumToad right, if you try and build ports on fbsd 10 for example, or old 11.x versions, the framework will warn you that it's out of support
2021-05-24 23:24:36 RhodiumToad individual ports can declare themselves BROKEN on specific versions
2021-05-24 23:25:20 _xor Ah
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2021-05-24 23:25:36 RhodiumToad the framework checks versions too
2021-05-24 23:26:01 RhodiumToad but you can define ALLOW_UNSUPPORTED_SYSTEM to make it just be a warning from the framework
2021-05-24 23:26:50 RhodiumToad so right now the framework requires 11.4, 12.2, 13+, or dfly 4.4+
2021-05-24 23:27:29 knight_of_ni_ Trying to "harden" a new installation of FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE I added 3 lines to /etc/sysctl.conf: kern.elf32.aslr.enable=1, kern.elf32.aslr.pie_enable=1, kern.elf32.allow_wx=0, kern.randompid=1. I think one of them my have bricked my system, on cold boot it hangs at "kbd2 at ukbd1". When it used to book ok, the next message should have been "lo0: link state changed to UP" but now it never reaches that point. Is there
2021-05-24 23:27:29 knight_of_ni_ any way I can recover?
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2021-05-24 23:28:11 RhodiumToad knight_of_ni_: what cpu/arch?
2021-05-24 23:28:21 RhodiumToad knight_of_ni_: you can use the loader prompt to boot to single user
2021-05-24 23:28:33 knight_of_ni_ armv6 on Raspberry Pi 1
2021-05-24 23:29:03 RhodiumToad are you looking at a serial console or the video output?
2021-05-24 23:29:25 knight_of_ni_ i am looking at video (HDMI)
2021-05-24 23:29:35 RhodiumToad if you have a serial cable, use that
2021-05-24 23:30:12 RhodiumToad RPI doesn't actually allow the keyboard/video to be a real console, only the serial port works for console input or errors
2021-05-24 23:30:24 RhodiumToad some (not all) of the console output will get mirrored to the screen
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2021-05-24 23:35:02 knight_of_ni_ i interrupted the bootup (10 seconds countdown) and then typed "boot -s" to enter single user mode, but the on-screen messages still hang on "kbd2 at ukbd1"
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2021-05-24 23:36:12 knight_of_ni_ what should i do after i connect to the raspi via serial? will i be able to edit /etc/sysctl.conf?
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2021-05-24 23:52:13 RhodiumToad typed what where?
2021-05-24 23:52:48 RhodiumToad oh
2021-05-24 23:53:09 RhodiumToad on serial, yes, you should be able to get the single user shell
2021-05-24 23:55:06 knight_of_ni_ thanks, will try serial
2021-05-25 00:01:43 _xor rt, you know of any way to recover a pi4 that has no video output?
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2021-05-25 00:03:22 * _xor is an idiot and didn't try booting up an rpi4 he bought until a month later
2021-05-25 00:03:40 _xor Bought two units, one with 4gb & one with 8gb.
2021-05-25 00:04:01 _xor 8gb unit works fine, but the 4gb unit doesn't show any video output. Too late to exchange it now too.
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2021-05-25 00:04:13 _xor I'm wondering if I have any other alternatives to see if it's still usable at all.
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2021-05-25 00:21:56 knight_of_ni_ set up ssh via serial, then use it as a headless server?
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2021-05-25 00:47:26 WiseSon Hello All
2021-05-25 00:47:29 WiseSon ;)
2021-05-25 00:54:39 AppleGNU hi WiseSon
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2021-05-25 01:16:49 knight_of_ni_ does FreeBSD override the default Raspberry Pi serial parameters 9600/8N1 with it's own? i connected to it via serial console (minicom on linux) but all i get when booting the RasPi is garbage characters in minicom
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2021-05-25 01:31:38 mrelcee knight_of_ni_: garbage chars usually mean baud rate is wrong. freebsd seems to set it at 115200
2021-05-25 01:32:33 mrelcee you can edit config.txt on the pi if you want 9600
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2021-05-25 01:38:46 knight_of_ni_ 115200 worked!
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2021-05-25 01:39:13 knight_of_ni_ after boot messages stop scrolling, i get to this line
2021-05-25 01:39:17 knight_of_ni_ Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
2021-05-25 01:40:04 knight_of_ni_ pressing enter gives...
2021-05-25 01:40:26 knight_of_ni_ exec_new_vmspace: mapping stack size 0x4000000 prot 0x7 failed mach error 2 errno 13
2021-05-25 01:40:37 knight_of_ni_ 2021-05-24T18:18:22.268199-07:00 - init 1 - - single user shell terminated, restarting
2021-05-25 01:40:53 knight_of_ni_ and places me back at the prompt...
2021-05-25 01:41:04 knight_of_ni_ Enter full pathname of shell or RETURN for /bin/sh:
2021-05-25 01:43:38 mrelcee sd card problem?
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2021-05-25 02:01:18 node1 Hello i'm looking for a help regarding rrdtool compilation from source on freebsd.
2021-05-25 02:02:00 node1 After running ./configure --prefix=$INSTALL_DIR && make && make install, it says "configure: error: Please fix the library issues listed above and try again."
2021-05-25 02:02:40 node1 Does anyone have any idea how to solve such issue?. Do i need to make changes in Makefile.am ?
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2021-05-25 02:03:15 Tabmow node1: why not use the package or build from ports?
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2021-05-25 02:04:10 node1 why not because i don't want to do that , just for learning purposes. Can't i install from source on freebsd?
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2021-05-25 02:04:39 node1 Please see the log https://pastebin.com/raw/z0mayW9t
2021-05-25 02:05:00 node1 The main goal is to resolve such issue "configure: error: Please fix the library issues listed above and try again."
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2021-05-25 02:05:51 node1 to fix such library issue on freebsd while compiling any such program.
2021-05-25 02:06:17 node1 Your help would be highly appreciated.
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2021-05-25 02:10:38 knight_of_ni_ i set sysctl kern.elf32.allow_wx=0 and now system won't boot. tried both keyboard/monitor and serial console. anyway to reverse the change in /etc/sysctl.conf?
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2021-05-25 02:17:03 Tabmow node1: it's not normally advisable to do it that way - but looks like you are missing some dependencies
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2021-05-25 02:25:12 mrelcee knight_of_ni_ it it wont boot you'll need a working system to mount and edit the file on.
2021-05-25 02:25:19 mrelcee if it
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2021-05-25 02:29:59 node1 Tabmow, This is the site where i'm referning to install rrdtool.
2021-05-25 02:32:52 node1 This is how i have install libpng-1.2.18.tar.gz one of it's dependency https://pastebin.com/raw/LFVqFWJD , but not sure how to link it with rrdtool source
2021-05-25 02:33:11 knight_of_ni_ i inserted the FreeBSD SD card from the RasPi into a Linux computer. fdisk shows /dev/sda2 as a FreeBSD partition. what file system should i mount it as?
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2021-05-25 02:34:19 node1 Tabmow, Do you have any idea what's missing from the log here https://pastebin.com/raw/z0mayW9t ?
2021-05-25 02:34:56 knight_of_ni_ # mount -t ufs /dev/sda2 /mnt/foo/ doesn't work
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2021-05-25 02:37:55 mrelcee probably need to load the ufs module
2021-05-25 02:38:16 mrelcee sudo modprobe ufs
2021-05-25 02:38:59 mrelcee sudo mount -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2 /devicename /mountpoint
2021-05-25 02:40:18 mrelcee devicename would be something like /dev/sda6
2021-05-25 02:40:49 mrelcee fdisk should list that
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2021-05-25 02:47:03 Tabmow node1: I have no idea, sorry. You can view the Makefile in /usr/ports/databases/rrdtool to give you some pointers, or install the pkg/port...
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2021-05-25 02:52:02 knight_of_ni_ this worked... almost :)
2021-05-25 02:52:08 knight_of_ni_ # mount -t ufs -o loop,offset=$((41 * 512)),ufstype=ufs2 /dev/sda2 /mnt/foo
2021-05-25 02:52:30 knight_of_ni_ mount: /mnt/foo: WARNING: device write-protected, mounted read-only.
2021-05-25 02:53:00 knight_of_ni_ i'm soooo close to editing /etc/sysctl.conf :)
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2021-05-25 05:35:45 iulian115c In domain(9) says "Once a domain is added it cannot be unloaded".
2021-05-25 05:35:45 iulian115c Now I'm asking myself, there si a way to test my module without restarting the the entire system?
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2021-05-25 05:38:52 iulian115c Any idea?
2021-05-25 05:42:20 tsoome iulian115c kldunload?
2021-05-25 05:44:05 iulian115c I tried, but every time I unload the module, the system crashes and restarts.
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2021-05-25 05:45:03 tsoome then you have some sort of issue there
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2021-05-25 05:47:10 iulian115c So, ususly, the unload of module when I use DOMAIN_SET should not crush my system ?
2021-05-25 05:49:01 tsoome I can not tell about that particular API, but if you have no consumers for your module and all resources are properly released, you should be good.
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2021-05-25 05:52:34 iulian115c <tsoome>: ok, thank you for this advice!
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2021-05-25 06:45:54 @debdrup Quite splatty.
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2021-05-25 06:49:16 Ltning Not sure I like the operational qualities of this network anymore :D
2021-05-25 06:49:27 Ltning Then again, libera isn't any better .. I guess they have their shit to deal with.
2021-05-25 06:50:13 xtao indeed. which is why several channels are taking a wait and see what happens approach to the whole thing. although i reckon after two weeks nobody will care any more and channels will just end up staying here
2021-05-25 06:52:09 Ampera Don't worry, whatever happens, it'll be a mess.
2021-05-25 06:52:25 Ampera everyone will be mad, bro
2021-05-25 06:54:14 @debdrup Not that I'm fond of Jungian psychology, but it seems to me that it'd not a bad idea to avoid projections.
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2021-05-25 08:08:06 CyberCr33p I use "portmaster --no-confirm -y -a" and sometimes I get a question like this: ===>>> Delete gettext-1.07.tar.gz? y/n [n] . How can I automatically anwser yes to these questions?
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2021-05-25 08:12:39 FUZxxl CyberCr33p: yes | portmaster
2021-05-25 08:12:55 CyberCr33p thanks
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2021-05-25 08:20:40 weust anyone happen to know the difference between "server" and "servers" in ntpd.conf? the man doesn't say and reads as if it does the exact same thing.
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2021-05-25 09:05:03 xtao i assume you're talking about the openbsd openntp ?
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2021-05-25 09:05:18 weust yes
2021-05-25 09:05:28 xtao server is expecting a single IP address or server, servers is expecting a DNS name that points to a pool of servers like pool.ntp.orf
2021-05-25 09:05:31 xtao *org
2021-05-25 09:05:35 weust sorry, I was under the impression the same went for /etc/ntpd.conf
2021-05-25 09:06:00 weust ooh ok. that makes sense
2021-05-25 09:06:02 xtao the other ntpd is named ntp.conf rather than ntpd.conf and uses server and pool
2021-05-25 09:06:40 weust ok, now understand the man.
2021-05-25 09:06:49 weust yeah, indeed. my bad.
2021-05-25 09:07:01 xtao if you use servers pool.ntp.org it'll resolve and add about 4 servers from the pool
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2021-05-25 09:07:33 weust yeah, I know that. I always used 0. through 3.nl.pool.ntp.org.
2021-05-25 09:07:39 weust need to change that.
2021-05-25 09:08:11 xtao just reading the man page myself. if you use server pool.ntp.org it looks like it just takes the first one and uses that as a single server. that's probably the only difference :)
2021-05-25 09:08:12 weust for my laptop, not always at home, I could then use "server time" and "servers nl.pool.ntp.org" I guess
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2021-05-25 09:12:34 weust restarting the service with the change tells me "configuration OK". nice and thanks xtao
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2021-05-25 09:38:40 gpeskens Sigh seems I've managed to crap on my zfs boot :/ I've recently turned on zstd on some datasets on the root pool, and (at least) forgot to install the new efi boot loader. Powerfailure and now my system won't boot: "ZFS unsupported compression algorithm 16". Already chrooted into the system, and copied the /boot/loader.efi file to EFI partition, but no luch
2021-05-25 09:38:43 gpeskens *luck
2021-05-25 09:39:41 gpeskens Any idea what other bit I need to update in order to get my system booting again?
2021-05-25 09:39:44 xtao that should be all you need to do. you *sure* it's using that EFI partition and not a BIOS legacy boot?
2021-05-25 09:42:16 gpeskens https://imgdump5.novarata.net/lutpag.png
2021-05-25 09:42:18 gpeskens yeah :)
2021-05-25 09:42:33 gpeskens unless I missed one of the EFI partitions
2021-05-25 09:42:43 gpeskens it should be updated
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2021-05-25 09:45:05 gpeskens OK lol, that's exactly what happened :/
2021-05-25 09:45:15 gpeskens Sorry for wasting your time :P
2021-05-25 09:45:51 gpeskens (I've got a 6 disk raidz2 in there, and each has it's own EFI partition, so it should always boot with one or more disks pulled/borked)
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2021-05-25 09:49:19 ivaat so what you guys think of this current freenode situation?
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2021-05-25 09:55:05 d[^_^]b ivaat: no one really cares, keep it on-topic
2021-05-25 09:55:28 ivaat sure they do.. i am on topic
2021-05-25 09:55:40 Ampera no one really cares, keep it on-topic
2021-05-25 09:56:16 ivaat sy by not caring whole freenode and IT related news sites are speaking about.. :)
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2021-05-25 10:30:43 weust ivaat: that is what #freebsd-social is for
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2021-05-25 10:36:17 ivaat ok
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2021-05-25 10:49:12 huwjr Anyone ever seen a L2ARC drive causing wired memory to never be dropped?
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2021-05-25 10:59:59 craigger I've been observing that since upgrading to 13.0.
2021-05-25 11:00:23 craigger which coincided with the installation of an ssd for L2ARC.
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2021-05-25 11:36:10 Onepamopa Wondering ... could a physical port (for example - the 2nd port of a dual-port nic) be used as a KNI (i.e. expose it as a "dummy" ethernet device to the kernel, but have the actual hw performance/features? it would be polled by the dpdk app anyway..
2021-05-25 11:38:53 Onepamopa ops, not here :)
2021-05-25 11:39:06 CrtxReavr Does FreeBSD burn a file descripter per TCP connection?
2021-05-25 11:39:13 Onepamopa I reallty need to look more carefully where I start typing :)
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2021-05-25 11:44:01 ceri CrtxReavr: i dunno about "burn" but if someone is listening to a socket then there will be an fd somewhere, yeah
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2021-05-25 11:54:38 Onepamopa CrtxReavr, it would obviously "burn" multiple fds per conneciton. Say you listen & accept (a server scenarion) - a conneciton arrives and thread X "gets" the conneciton (i.e. handles its fd). Question comes on persistent connections when the thread that initially accepted the connection is too busy, another thread could "work" on that connection by getting a reference to its fd :)
2021-05-25 11:55:01 Onepamopa correction - 1 fd per conneciton, not "multiple". multiple in general
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2021-05-25 11:59:09 Dani-hp Hi there, i just tried upgrading from FBSD 11.4 to 12.2. After the first freebsd-update install and reboot i'm stuck after the freebsd boot menu with the following message: "Start @ 0xffff…… EFI framebuffer information" and so on. Anyone has an idea?
2021-05-25 12:00:25 paulf can you boot to single user?
2021-05-25 12:01:25 Dani-hp nope, same issue
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2021-05-25 12:05:47 paulf do you have backups? I would try to boot from usb or optical disk and check the disks can be mounted
2021-05-25 12:06:40 paulf and did you only do a freebsd-update, or did you also change anything else?
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2021-05-25 12:07:09 Dani-hp nothing else
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2021-05-25 12:07:48 tsoome Dani-hp I'm afraid, you have been bitten by one bug we haven't been able to fix for some time...
2021-05-25 12:07:52 randombit is it possible to load the amdgpu module via loader instead of the rc?
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2021-05-25 12:08:21 Dani-hp tsoome: any information for a workaround and the bug itself?
2021-05-25 12:08:56 tsoome you can try to esc out from boot menu, enter ls few times and then enter boot
2021-05-25 12:09:34 randombit so, like instead of the "kld_list="/boot/modules/amdgpu.ko"" in rc.conf, i write in loader.conf: amdgpu_load="YES"?
2021-05-25 12:10:32 Dani-hp "ls a few times" ? like realy? :-) what means few times?
2021-05-25 12:10:42 tsoome 2-3 times
2021-05-25 12:11:08 tsoome *sometimes* it has been doing the trick, but not always
2021-05-25 12:11:26 Dani-hp looks like same problem..
2021-05-25 12:11:55 tsoome but the real workaround is either to use bios boot or use older loader.
2021-05-25 12:13:24 Dani-hp is there a way to switch to the older loader without booting?
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2021-05-25 12:14:32 tsoome I *think*, the issue seems to be that with some UEFI memory map layout, we get bad memory content while we are putting loaded files to final location
2021-05-25 12:15:38 tsoome if you have older loader binary on disk, you can try command chain /path/to/loaer.efi.old
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2021-05-25 12:16:33 tsoome õ
2021-05-25 12:16:46 tsoome little fingers:)
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2021-05-25 12:19:20 Dani-hp guess i dont..
2021-05-25 12:19:54 tsoome I guess I need to take the time and just fix it....
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2021-05-25 12:22:48 Dani-hp is there a bug report? or an other way? there was no real info about that - not even by the errata notes
2021-05-25 12:23:06 tsoome yes there is
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2021-05-25 12:27:13 last1 if in my arp table I see that host1 has mac address 00:50:56:85:2c:f1 and IP 192.168.1.35 , but when I tcpdump my traffic, I see FreeBSD sending traffic for that IP to my gateway instead ( 192.168.1.1 ) and another mac address
2021-05-25 12:27:16 last1 what could be causing that ?
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2021-05-25 12:30:10 Dani-hp tsoome: i switched to legacy boot and no the boot is stuck at /boot/entropy...
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2021-05-25 12:30:53 tsoome hm, thats interesting
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2021-05-25 12:39:28 Dani-hp any idea what else i could try tsoome?
2021-05-25 12:39:33 tsoome is the boot blocks updated for bios boot?
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2021-05-25 12:40:36 tsoome oh, silly me, it does not matter there
2021-05-25 12:41:21 tsoome why it would get stuck after/on entropy... that does not make sense..
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2021-05-25 12:42:19 tsoome this is hp laptop?
2021-05-25 12:42:31 Dani-hp its a hp server yes
2021-05-25 12:42:33 tsoome how large disk?
2021-05-25 12:42:37 Dani-hp 1tb
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2021-05-25 12:43:39 tsoome well you can do manual load test, esc out to ok prompt
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2021-05-25 12:44:06 tsoome then enter: load /boot/kernel/kernel
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2021-05-25 12:44:24 tsoome then. load /boot/entropy
2021-05-25 12:44:44 Dani-hp legacy or uefi mode?
2021-05-25 12:44:52 tsoome legacy
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2021-05-25 12:45:47 tsoome if loading the entropy will return ok prompt, then it is not about that file...
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2021-05-25 12:46:41 Dani-hp i'll try - give me a sec
2021-05-25 12:46:49 Dani-hp and there is no other workaround for uefi?
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2021-05-25 12:47:12 tsoome pick loader.efi from 11.4 iso, I guess
2021-05-25 12:47:28 tsoome I mean, if you do not have old binary around.
2021-05-25 12:48:24 tsoome ou, there is one more option
2021-05-25 12:48:32 Dani-hp "don't know how to load module /boot/entropy"
2021-05-25 12:48:47 Dani-hp (with legacy boot)
2021-05-25 12:48:55 tsoome as it got broken after upgrade, it means, you have boot1.efi in ESP
2021-05-25 12:49:20 Dani-hp "ESP"? :-)
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2021-05-25 12:49:26 tsoome you can copy /boot/loader.efi to ESP, it may do the trick
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2021-05-25 12:49:41 tsoome efi system partition
2021-05-25 12:49:59 tsoome its partition with FAT file system on it
2021-05-25 12:50:37 Dani-hp ehm and how would i do that from the loader prompt? or would i have to boot an other system and do it from there?
2021-05-25 12:51:10 tsoome you need usb/iso boot to live session
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2021-05-25 12:51:59 tsoome with boot1, the UEFI will load boot1.efi from ESP and start it; boot1 will allocate its heap, will search for /boot/loader.efi, load and start it.
2021-05-25 12:52:23 Dani-hp i see.. did you see my message about "don't know how to load module /boot/entropy"
2021-05-25 12:52:46 tsoome the catch with uefi apps is, if you load and start next binary, your old one will stay in memory, it is not replaced
2021-05-25 12:53:26 tsoome lets ignore entropy thing for now
2021-05-25 12:53:36 Dani-hp we use zfs and i could boot the old fbsd 11.4 bootenv i guess
2021-05-25 12:53:42 Dani-hp could i fix that from there also?
2021-05-25 12:55:00 Dani-hp for example boot old zfs, mount new zfs boot env, copy loader to new env?
2021-05-25 12:55:02 tsoome should be possible, yes.
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2021-05-25 12:56:03 tsoome pool features are not upgraded, so you should be able to mount
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2021-05-25 12:56:32 Dani-hp but can't i then just replace loader.efi (the new) with loader.efi (the old) - reboot and try again?=
2021-05-25 12:58:00 tsoome yes you can try this indeed
2021-05-25 12:58:14 tsoome just make copy of original.
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2021-05-25 13:01:27 Dani-hp ofc
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2021-05-25 13:01:54 mtu is there a way to run poudriere bulk runs on several jails in one command? seems like "poudriere bulk -j first -j second" doesn't do that
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2021-05-25 13:04:05 Dani-hp tsoome: now i get: efi-autoresizecons not found - can't load kernel
2021-05-25 13:06:15 tsoome ou, you have old BE?
2021-05-25 13:06:41 tsoome start legacy, on first spinner press space, you get boot: prompt
2021-05-25 13:06:59 Dani-hp i copied the loader.efi from FBSD 11.4 to the 12.2 /boot
2021-05-25 13:07:21 tsoome on boot prompt, enter: zfs:zroot/ROOT/oldbename:
2021-05-25 13:07:52 Dani-hp i can boot the old boot env without a problem?
2021-05-25 13:08:07 tsoome should be ok
2021-05-25 13:08:28 Dani-hp i mean i can already do that
2021-05-25 13:08:36 Dani-hp why would i need to mount the old boot env?
2021-05-25 13:08:48 tsoome once you get menu, you actually should be able to switch to new be from it and start new system
2021-05-25 13:08:49 Dani-hp i get that error when trying to boot the "updated" BE
2021-05-25 13:09:01 tsoome you get old loader from old be
2021-05-25 13:09:27 kevans91 yeah, old loader with new scripts is no good
2021-05-25 13:09:41 kevans91 you can drop the efi-autoresizecons invocation thought
2021-05-25 13:09:43 kevans91 though
2021-05-25 13:09:53 Dani-hp ok now i dont realy understand :-D
2021-05-25 13:10:00 Dani-hp i have to go back to legacy boot?
2021-05-25 13:10:08 kevans91 you can still boot via old be, right?
2021-05-25 13:10:11 Dani-hp ye
2021-05-25 13:10:28 kevans91 boot into that, mount the new be, copy forth scripts over
2021-05-25 13:11:07 kevans91 or hunt down the efi-autoresizecons invocation and comment it out, but copying scripts over sure is easier
2021-05-25 13:11:47 Dani-hp argh no, now i dont even get the boot menu
2021-05-25 13:12:00 Dani-hp now i think i understand tsoome
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2021-05-25 13:17:03 tsoome uefi boot1 does not allow to pick BE
2021-05-25 13:17:19 tsoome bios one does
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2021-05-25 13:19:00 Dani-hp so chain /boot/loader.efi.new -> loads the menu -> and then pick BE wont work i guess?
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2021-05-25 13:22:57 Dani-hp tsoome: when exactly should i press space to get the "boot: prompt"?
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2021-05-25 13:23:53 Dani-hp kevans91: what scripts do you mean exactly?
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2021-05-25 13:27:15 kevans91 find /boot -name '*.4th'
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2021-05-25 13:30:48 Dani-hp doesn't that break other functionality kevans91? or should i just replace them, boot the new bootenv, finish the 12.2 install and then place them again?
2021-05-25 13:31:17 Dani-hp tsoome: i guess starting over would bring nothing? the problem would occur again?
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2021-05-25 13:44:53 Dani-hp ping tsoome
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2021-05-25 13:50:08 tsoome most likely, yes
2021-05-25 13:50:50 Dani-hp but i guess this doesn't happen to each 12.2 install? what exactly does trigger this?
2021-05-25 13:51:01 Dani-hp is it the hpe hardware or the upgrade path from 11.4 to 12.2?
2021-05-25 13:52:12 tsoome assuming my hunch is correct, then the memory layout at the time we copy the files in place in memory
2021-05-25 13:52:41 tsoome hence the idea about trying loader.efi in ESP (instead of boot1.efi)
2021-05-25 13:54:29 Dani-hp but i still dont get why exactly just we (or a few others?) are triggerin this bug?
2021-05-25 13:55:09 tsoome that is the issue - it is rare
2021-05-25 13:56:10 Dani-hp so there is no way to upgrade to 12.2 right now for this installation? without having to a manual kind of workaround
2021-05-25 13:56:16 tsoome but, we found it also can happen in vmware vm, so thats our hope for finding root cause and fixing it
2021-05-25 13:57:23 tsoome if you can use loader from 11.4, that will allow you to upgrade. it is annoying, but better than nothing
2021-05-25 13:57:55 Dani-hp you mean the way kevans91 explained? by copying the loader + the *.4th scripts?
2021-05-25 13:57:59 tsoome if the workaround is to start loader directly from ESP, then it is better.
2021-05-25 13:58:09 tsoome yes
2021-05-25 13:58:34 Dani-hp and after the upgrade is finished it should again work correct? with the 12.2 default stuff?
2021-05-25 13:59:02 tsoome that needs to be tested.
2021-05-25 13:59:31 Dani-hp that is not really motivating :-)
2021-05-25 13:59:37 tsoome :)
2021-05-25 13:59:40 tsoome I know.
2021-05-25 14:00:46 Dani-hp and what would help you the most? so you could maybe find the cause of this? do you think this would also happen when installing fbsd 12.2 from source or doing a fresh install on the same kind of hardware?
2021-05-25 14:00:48 tsoome debugging that stuff means attaching debugger to vm and spending ridiculous amount of time there (which is why I have been avoiding it tbh:)
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2021-05-25 14:02:47 kevans91 if boot1.efi being resident isn't helping then a fresh 12.2 install could go better
2021-05-25 14:02:54 kevans91 not sure that's the case, though
2021-05-25 14:03:19 kevans91 12.x is where we started plopping loader.efi directly onto the ESP
2021-05-25 14:05:02 Dani-hp i see.. i think i'll finish for today and try to setup a freebsd 12.2 fresh on identical hardware and see what happens
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2021-05-25 14:05:25 Dani-hp but this would really "suck" for us, since we mostly have identical hw everywhere… :-)
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2021-05-25 14:08:12 tsoome Dani-hp https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=255073
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2021-05-25 14:12:30 Dani-hp Thanks for the link. HP too there..
2021-05-25 14:14:06 Dani-hp oh man .. i'll try more tomorrow.. already thanks a lot for your help and assistance tsoome and also kevans91
2021-05-25 14:14:54 Dani-hp i also see - this problem also exists for fbsd 13 - correct?
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2021-05-25 14:43:14 huwjr craigger, sorry I was very much embroiled in stuff earlier - are you pretty convinced it's behaving wrong, as I am?
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2021-05-25 14:44:35 huwjr I've had regular server crashes ever since the upgrade from 11 to 13 as well and it stopped happening at the time I doubled memory available and also removed the l2arc SSD trying to minimise complexity
2021-05-25 14:45:04 huwjr after 7 days of no crashes i added the l2arc ssd back in and it's crashed on the first night again.
2021-05-25 14:45:34 huwjr surely this is a big deal?
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2021-05-25 14:47:32 huwjr the graphs are hilarious, with l2arc ssd installed the RAM stays wired at like 95% and without it it's frequently around the 60% mark
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2021-05-25 14:48:11 craigger Yeah, something isn't right. Since I upgraded to 13 and added the ssd L2ARC at the same time, I wasn't sure if the change was from 13 or not.
2021-05-25 14:49:03 huwjr why am i not seeing 9000 bug reports about this
2021-05-25 14:49:07 craigger My desktop has 16G of ram, and it'll coast along as it did previously, but at some point, WIRED will start increasing, and never decrease.
2021-05-25 14:49:12 huwjr spent like a month chasing down a hardware issue
2021-05-25 14:49:45 craigger I'm not sure - bugzill and the forums were first thing I checked, too, so I thought I had an error on my end.
2021-05-25 14:49:51 huwjr yes this is basically what i saw but because it is a backup server and a lot of backups trigger at the same time it just dies instantly
2021-05-25 14:50:22 huwjr and also no processes (like rsync using 2gb of ram) got killed
2021-05-25 14:50:25 huwjr it just insta-died
2021-05-25 14:50:31 craigger I've left my desktop idle overnight, and come back in the morning to see the swap at 100% and wired at 16G - the machine basically useless without a reboot.
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2021-05-25 14:50:55 huwjr i'm so freaking glad i'm not going mad
2021-05-25 14:51:24 huwjr i didn't actually believe what i was seeing, i was convinced it was hardware
2021-05-25 14:51:33 craigger I've also found that IO hangs when I try to remove the L2ARC, forcing a reboot.
2021-05-25 14:52:02 craigger It took several tries to successfully remove the L2ARC.
2021-05-25 14:52:05 huwjr really? i didn't notice that but i only removed once yesterday
2021-05-25 14:52:18 huwjr i actually rebuilt the zfs pool from scratch thinking it was a bad upgrade
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2021-05-25 14:52:52 huwjr how the hell can we report this and why isn't everyone screaming about it XD
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2021-05-25 14:56:10 craigger Filing a bug at bugzilla would probably be the best option. I'm glad to see (sort of), that it isn't just me.
2021-05-25 14:56:26 huwjr is bugzilla still alive?
2021-05-25 14:57:32 craigger Yes, so far as I know. It's still linked to on the FreeBSD website.
2021-05-25 14:57:53 huwjr is it an issue with freebsd or zfs?
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2021-05-25 14:58:17 huwjr i mean not killing processes that could be killed seems like freebsd but zfs is the obvious feature here
2021-05-25 15:00:18 huwjr going to log off and get some much needed rest. If i file a bug report tomorrow I will drop you a message for a 'me too'
2021-05-25 15:00:26 huwjr :)
2021-05-25 15:00:32 craigger Right. I don't know where the issue lies. I have two fairly different machines, but both use zfs, and I've only observed this on the host with L2ARC
2021-05-25 15:00:42 craigger Sounds good - thank you.
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2021-05-25 18:43:27 iulian115c Any idea what documentation exist about DOMAIN_SET except domain(9), include/sys/domain.h and include/sys/protosw.h?
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2021-05-25 18:45:30 iulian115c I try to find an example or a list with with the minimum of members that need to be declared in order to load and unload the module without any error.
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2021-05-25 20:31:55 _xor Opinion poll: What, in your opinion, is the biggest deficiency with kqueue? (up to top 3, in order)
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2021-05-25 20:32:39 * _xor is reading/refreshing his knowledge of kqueue vs. io_uring vs. epoll vs. i/o completion ports
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2021-05-25 20:57:50 koobs _xor: i believe the most obvious one is scalability with lots of dirs monitored, which i dont believe has been addressed
2021-05-25 20:58:14 koobs s/obvious/well-known
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2021-05-25 21:09:02 _xor Yup, that one is a top one.
2021-05-25 21:09:19 _xor I think rt looked at implementing something like that using audit, but I don't remember why he said that was going to be an issue.
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2021-05-25 21:24:05 aranjedeath oh interesting. I have to read about io_uring (not a kernel developer, takes me a few reads). We are having issues slamming into max concurrent operations on file (hardcoded in golang) and the developers are thinking about ways around this
2021-05-25 21:24:55 aranjedeath "file" is the network socket we are serving out of
2021-05-25 21:25:58 aranjedeath panic: too many concurrent operations on a single file or socket (max 1048575) <-- error like this. number is hardcoded in lang
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2021-05-25 22:38:15 R2COM is there a way in FreeBSD to build port inside jail in such a way that it won't need dependency on a target machine after being installed as a package?
2021-05-25 22:39:05 R2COM say you build port XXX, which has dependency YYY, this dependency is provided during build in poudriere in jail, but make sure that once user installs the baked package with pkg, he will NOT have to have YYY on his system?
2021-05-25 22:39:30 jeffpc R2COM: look into poudriere
2021-05-25 22:39:39 jeffpc it's pretty slick
2021-05-25 22:40:07 R2COM im looking, and my question is clearly related to poudriere, so is it doable or not
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2021-05-25 22:40:25 jeffpc oh, I should've read both of your messages
2021-05-25 22:40:34 koobs R2COM: you'd need to 'build static', which is orthogonal to whether in jail or host or otherwise
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2021-05-25 22:40:57 koobs R2COM: and the extent to which you may be able to do that is an upstream/build system question
2021-05-25 22:41:10 R2COM so if i build it in poudriere inside jail as static and providing YYY dependency during build, then after it becomes "pkg" user will not need YYY installed on his system?
2021-05-25 22:41:34 koobs R2COM: if you mean building 'software A' which has multiple port/package deps, but then being able to install software A 'package', without installing those deps
2021-05-25 22:41:59 R2COM yeah
2021-05-25 22:42:15 koobs R2COM: what youre asking about is orthogonal (completely unrelated to) poudriere
2021-05-25 22:42:27 koobs R2COM: basically youre asking the same question as 'flat paks'
2021-05-25 22:42:38 koobs where you can pkg install, and you get everything at once, not requiring any dependencies
2021-05-25 22:42:40 R2COM whats flat pak
2021-05-25 22:42:44 R2COM ah
2021-05-25 22:42:44 R2COM yes
2021-05-25 22:42:59 R2COM so... using poudriere to build port with many dependencies as a flat pak
2021-05-25 22:43:03 koobs whether you can do that for any particxular software is a software upstream question
2021-05-25 22:43:15 koobs again, your question is unrelated to poudriere
2021-05-25 22:43:18 R2COM what you mean by software upstream question
2021-05-25 22:43:20 R2COM ok
2021-05-25 22:43:28 koobs whoever makes the software
2021-05-25 22:43:39 koobs whether they have the facilities/build mechanisms to 'bundle all the things'
2021-05-25 22:43:46 R2COM ah ok
2021-05-25 22:44:02 koobs outside that, youre basically asking about 'flat pak' or 'snap' style packaging
2021-05-25 22:44:18 koobs which is a broader question
2021-05-25 22:44:36 koobs and unrelated to poudriere / pkg (they cant/wont do this automatically for you)
2021-05-25 22:45:03 R2COM got it
2021-05-25 22:45:13 koobs R2COM: better stated, the question is: how do i build $software in a way which bundles/installs all of its dependencies as a single package
2021-05-25 22:45:27 R2COM yea
2021-05-25 22:45:43 koobs im not aware of a freebsd *specific* method (that uses ports/packges)
2021-05-25 22:46:08 koobs *but* there are "universal" package manager / builder things that might be leveragable on/for freebsd
2021-05-25 22:46:22 R2COM theoretically, if every large software with dependency had such principle, then on a system with various complex software there would be less chanfe of things breaking when one dependency changed and another software using same dependency doesnt like new version
2021-05-25 22:46:23 koobs but they may or may not have, and may or may not support 'ports' as a source
2021-05-25 22:46:58 koobs R2COM: there are multiple schools of thought / opinions / tradeoffs about that
2021-05-25 22:47:54 koobs R2COM: examples of others asking similar questions: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/possibility-to-port-snapd-flatpak-for-freebsd.68354/
2021-05-25 22:49:04 koobs R2COM: good person to talk to is probono (author of helloSystem and AppImages)
2021-05-25 22:49:11 R2COM 1st reply tro that thread is strange
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2021-05-25 22:50:50 koobs R2COM: for the broader context: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_application#Portability_on_Linux_and_Unix-like_systems
2021-05-25 22:51:23 _xor R2COM: Are you talking about build-time dependencies or run-time dependencies?
2021-05-25 22:51:42 R2COM run time
2021-05-25 22:51:43 _xor R2COM: If you're talking about build-time dependencies, then no, the users won't need them once the package is generated.
2021-05-25 22:51:46 R2COM and build time too i guess
2021-05-25 22:51:58 R2COM but anyway, i got the point
2021-05-25 22:52:09 _xor R2COM: Packages specify run-time dependencies and so when you do pkg install, it will fetch the necessary packages + the package you want to install.
2021-05-25 22:52:37 _xor If you're trying to create a single archive, well, that's somewhat what jails provide since you can package them into a jail and distribute it as an archive and/or zfs snapshot.
2021-05-25 22:52:51 R2COM hm ok
2021-05-25 22:53:07 _xor There's also fpm, a project that lets you build cross-platform packages (but I haven't used it much, so can't speak to it).
2021-05-25 22:53:29 _xor There's also OCI stuff coming to FreeBSD, so you can build a container with all of your dependencies.
2021-05-25 22:53:37 R2COM so jail concept with poudrier is basically something what NixOS Linux distro tried to achieve but the way FreeBSD does it is kinda architecturally superior, am I right?
2021-05-25 22:53:39 _xor Nix is also continuing itsp ort to FreeBSD.
2021-05-25 22:53:53 R2COM that linux distro used some crazy symbolic linking\
2021-05-25 22:54:24 _xor You can also bundle all of the necessary package dependencies + your package into a single archive (I mean manually, though there may be a way to do it with poudriere), and then distribute that. You can then do a local install from those files.
2021-05-25 22:54:28 R2COM i.e. FreeBSD executes this requirement in more elegant way that NixOS
2021-05-25 22:55:27 _xor They don't exactly solve the same problem.
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2021-05-25 22:55:56 _xor Jails are more like: "Create this sandbox for me and I'll install stuff into it, run processes, etc."
2021-05-25 22:56:25 _xor Package managers are more like: "I need to install application X and whatever it requires that might be packages separately, oh and I need this version, etc."
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2021-05-25 23:44:29 _xor I just did the first reboot for freebsd-update and it's running the new kernel.
2021-05-25 23:45:00 _xor If I run freebsd-update again, will it just install the userland and leave the old libraries until I run it again to delete it?
2021-05-25 23:45:39 _xor I need to build the 13 repo using pouderiere, but I heard someone say that it might do it in one go now? (install new userland + delete stale files)
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2021-05-26 00:02:42 _xor Nevermind, building new packages now.
2021-05-26 00:02:54 _xor "Building 1830 ports" yay.
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2021-05-26 01:05:03 _xor Going to create armv7 & arm64 jails after this.
2021-05-26 01:05:15 _xor Dumb question, do I still need -x when creating those jails if I'm using qemu-user-static?
2021-05-26 01:05:24 * _xor can't remember if it needs native-xtools or not
2021-05-26 01:05:36 RhodiumToad without -x it will be much slower
2021-05-26 01:05:41 _xor I see.
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2021-05-26 01:06:48 RhodiumToad the idea of -x is to save time by running the compilers and key tools natively rather than running the compiler under qemu
2021-05-26 01:06:49 _xor Hmm, poudriere help says -x "Will only be used if -m is svn*."
2021-05-26 01:07:06 _xor Does that need to be updated or is that correct if I try to use git?"
2021-05-26 01:07:21 RhodiumToad where does it say that?
2021-05-26 01:07:24 _xor Yeah, I just googled for native-xtools to read more about it, but it hasn't come back with much yet heh.
2021-05-26 01:07:27 _xor poudriere --help
2021-05-26 01:08:00 _xor Sorry, `poudriere jail --help`
2021-05-26 01:08:37 RhodiumToad well, afaik it was never true; the real requirement is that you are building the jail from a src/obj tree
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2021-05-26 01:08:57 _xor Ah, guess that should be updated.
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2021-05-26 01:09:24 RhodiumToad I've been using -m src=/usr/src (where /usr/src is a git working tree) and -x has always worked for me
2021-05-26 01:09:57 _xor That's exactly what I'm going to do once this large, initial amd64 build is don.
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2021-05-26 01:12:15 _xor Hopefully I get done with these pending projects within the coming month or two so that I can finish up the local webapp for Poudriere and make that available.
2021-05-26 01:12:45 _xor Also I'm going to consolidate together all of my notes and publish that along with it. Hopefully people get some use out of it.
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2021-05-26 01:29:53 iulian115c any idea what is raw_ctlinput ?
2021-05-26 01:32:08 RhodiumToad in what context?
2021-05-26 01:33:24 iulian115c in context of struct protosw
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2021-05-26 01:35:22 RhodiumToad so it's the .pr_ctlinput function for "raw" protocols
2021-05-26 01:37:48 RhodiumToad for non-raw protocols, such as tcp or udp, pr_ctlinput is used to tell the protocol when some kind of control packet is received (e.g. for tcp or udp, an ICMP message)
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2021-05-26 02:23:14 iulian115c RhodiumToad: so in case of raw protocols, raw_ctlinput has no effect?
2021-05-26 02:23:25 iulian115c except: https://pastebin.com/d43jRxL0
2021-05-26 02:23:45 RhodiumToad it does nothing
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2021-05-26 02:26:06 iulian115c Thank you, that's what I wanted to hear.
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2021-05-26 04:31:51 amn3siac Hi. Why at freebsd 13 release for raspberry ethernet lights turned off ?
2021-05-26 04:31:58 amn3siac and how to enable them ?
2021-05-26 04:32:14 FUZxxl amn3siac: a good question!
2021-05-26 04:33:15 amn3siac FUZxxl, thank you.
2021-05-26 04:33:47 amn3siac I got this on raspberry 3b+
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2021-05-26 04:35:48 _xor Not that I'd think it would make a difference, but I assume the interface is up?
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2021-05-26 04:36:47 amn3siac Yes. Interface and vlans on it are up.
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2021-05-26 04:37:48 amn3siac however main interface does not have address assigned.
2021-05-26 04:38:00 amn3siac only vlans does
2021-05-26 04:38:29 amn3siac raspberry itself accessible through vlan
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2021-05-26 07:39:59 DaRock hey guys
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2021-05-26 07:40:27 DaRock has anyone come across issues with ipv6 when using postfix/postgrey at all?
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2021-05-26 07:42:56 zi DaRock: i think postscreen includes all of that functionality now
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2021-05-26 07:43:11 zi DaRock: might want to check it out instead
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2021-05-26 07:50:42 DaRock from what I read they complement each other so one does not negate the need or the other - but that doesn't resolve the current issue I have :-)
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2021-05-26 08:59:57 toro Hello! I am running FreeBSD 13.0 with tcsh as my default shell. According to the man page of the tcsh shell, the environment variable VENDOR displays the vendor name as determined by compile time. I have Intel CPU but it displays "amd". Why?
2021-05-26 09:01:03 Remilia toro: possibly because tcsh was compiled on an AMD EPYC system? (for example)
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2021-05-26 09:02:33 toro Remilia: Oh! But it gives fale VENDOR name. Isn't a problem?
2021-05-26 09:02:39 toro *false
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2021-05-26 09:02:56 Remilia it gives the correct VENDOR as per the man page
2021-05-26 09:03:27 toro Remilia: :)
2021-05-26 09:03:45 Remilia for reference, ports-built zsh will say "portbld"
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2021-05-26 09:04:31 toro portbld as a VENDOR name? Why? It can't detect what CPU the system have?
2021-05-26 09:04:44 toro *has?
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2021-05-26 09:11:24 DaRock hey could anyone offer another debug technique to discover dropped packets in pf? I'm using rtables to forward over vxlan and tcp connections just aren't making it
2021-05-26 09:12:03 DaRock I've checked other interfaces and the packets are heading there either, but they're simply not showing up on the vxlan interface
2021-05-26 09:12:04 wilbury which is the first one?
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2021-05-26 09:26:35 sigod hi
2021-05-26 09:26:56 FUZxxl hi sigod
2021-05-26 09:28:15 choozy hi
2021-05-26 09:30:02 sigod I know this isn't a channel for nomadbsd but I installed the nvidia driver 390 package and enabled the kernel module for my gtx 660 and when I run glxgears I get error libgl error messages saying drirc config files are missing
2021-05-26 09:32:08 sigod i know the driver is working because i can use full force composition pipeline to eliminate screen tearing in openbox
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2021-05-26 09:32:51 sigod it just seems like glx is having issues
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2021-05-26 11:44:11 kulesh_ https://www.kinopoisk.ru/film/6226/ ADIO ваще
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2021-05-26 12:02:35 randombit heyhey. I ended up without mouse on fresh 13 stable, xfce install. Does anyone know how to manage this? Cant even get to settings without it... :s
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2021-05-26 12:12:37 y2k randombit: You got on your /etc/rc.conf moused_type="auto" moused_enable="YES" ?
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2021-05-26 12:14:41 randombit y2k, nope. Should set both? I didnt have them on 12
2021-05-26 12:15:13 rennj perhaps see what xinput says
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2021-05-26 12:20:39 randombit y2k, same.
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2021-05-26 12:23:02 y2k check what your logs say about randombit
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2021-05-26 12:28:52 randombit Like what.
2021-05-26 12:31:19 y2k like rennj told you, check your xinput
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2021-05-26 12:38:07 randombit --system mouse
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2021-05-26 12:47:15 y2k randombit: Strange, i'm running 13 on xfce all working ok.
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2021-05-26 12:50:24 randombit Btw that mousd thingy is completely unnecessary im sure, yet i figured out... I thought i was missing something in loader.conf as i had mouse problem earlier on12 too, but solved it. Yet couldnt check the irc.log for it beeing huge for searching in console.
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2021-05-26 12:50:56 randombit The solution is, ums. In loader: ums_load yes. Done.
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2021-05-26 12:51:50 randombit No moused stuff u mentioned, or hald. Just ums in loader.
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2021-05-26 12:56:29 randombit Too bad it took an hour for me to remember it. Next time i add #comments for entries
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2021-05-26 12:58:02 beanbag- found an insteresting bug in freenas/freebsd
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2021-05-26 12:58:15 beanbag- the bug is in the BTX loader
2021-05-26 12:58:39 beanbag- if you insert a asmedia based msata to usb bridge adaptor in the system
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2021-05-26 12:58:53 beanbag- btx when it goes to list all the bios drive letters, blows chunks with cpu regs etc
2021-05-26 12:59:33 beanbag- the "usb" works fine in the installer and you can install to it just fine and fast
2021-05-26 12:59:36 beanbag- but btx bombs out
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2021-05-26 13:00:50 beanbag- it's like it's system device name or something has some invalid field that btx can't deal with
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2021-05-26 13:04:36 beanbag- guess it could have to do with the bios usb emulation also
2021-05-26 13:08:21 beanbag- it's only with this little msata to usb bridge adaptor so far though
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2021-05-26 13:48:31 w0ls0n hi all
2021-05-26 13:49:15 w0ls0n I have something at home I would like to monitor using a camera. I use Freebsd strictly as a console machine. Is there a way I could remotely connect to a camera on a freebsd box?
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2021-05-26 13:53:05 Iambchop w0ls0n: do you have a specific camera in mind? USB, IP, HDMI, ...? what kind of monitoring? video/still periodic/continuous/motion-activated?
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2021-05-26 13:58:06 Iambchop w0ls0n: I've never used it, but multimedia/motion: "a highly configurable program that monitors video signals from many types of cameras"
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2021-05-26 14:11:00 w0ls0n Iambchop: I actually have pool thermostat I would like to view remotely
2021-05-26 14:11:11 w0ls0n so yea probably usb
2021-05-26 14:11:25 w0ls0n ty
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2021-05-26 14:17:01 Iambchop w0ls0n: could probably build something lighter than motion on top of multimedia/pcwbsd http://raaf.atspace.org/
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2021-05-26 14:27:52 w0ls0n I am just not entirely sure how I would view the webcam
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2021-05-26 14:29:01 w0ls0n all the links take me to a gnu page
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2021-05-26 14:33:41 randombit Does firefox crash for only me? It says "too much recursion" 13stable, firefox 88.0.1_1,2
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2021-05-26 14:38:59 Iambchop w0ls0n: hmm... not sure what's up with their links :-) multimedia/pcwbsd + multimedia/ffmpeg and something like ffmpeg -i /dev/... -vframes 1 ~/public_html/thermostat.jpeg
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2021-05-26 15:00:55 w0ls0n ty again
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2021-05-26 15:20:53 CrtxReavr Who maintains the wiki page in the topic?
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2021-05-26 15:23:58 CrtxReavr 'Cause python needs added to the list.
2021-05-26 15:24:17 randombit Can someone explain to me why do i need to install GCC with Inkscape??? Since when does svg editing need compiling?
2021-05-26 15:24:36 CrtxReavr IT's to build Inkscape.
2021-05-26 15:24:54 randombit using pkg?
2021-05-26 15:25:05 CrtxReavr Prolly libs, includes, etc.
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2021-05-26 15:26:11 randombit The heaven of package management.
2021-05-26 15:26:13 CrtxReavr Ports & packages in interchangeable. . . so if you're going to install a thing, you need to be able to build the thing.
2021-05-26 15:28:34 CrtxReavr s/in/are
2021-05-26 15:29:14 randombit Im pretty sure when i want to install a prebuilt package it means prebuilt. And a prebuilt package shouldnt be dependent on the source's deps. Its 2 different things. Or should be. Inskcape needs 1gb. For no reason.
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2021-05-26 15:34:46 CrtxReavr randombit, whine to someone else.
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2021-05-26 16:22:03 rasenqan -server notice- Warning, all references to libera.chat are now subject to network-wide ban (k-line)!
2021-05-26 16:22:30 kevans91 hah, cute
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2021-05-26 16:27:07 @debdrup really.
2021-05-26 16:27:15 -- Mode #freebsd [+o debdrup] by ChanServ
2021-05-26 16:28:06 Aaron ;(
2021-05-26 16:29:54 blabber Wtf?
2021-05-26 16:31:01 gbristol they're really handling this professionally
2021-05-26 16:31:51 guntbert yeah, straight from "How to drive people away 101"
2021-05-26 16:32:23 blabber I hope IRC admins make up their mind fast to leave this place.
2021-05-26 16:32:30 Aaron Rasen was a lier
2021-05-26 16:32:32 Aaron Ignore him
2021-05-26 16:33:04 Aaron To the few projects leaving based on falsehoods
2021-05-26 16:33:04 Aaron freenode has been the home for the entire FOSS community for over 20 years. Fracturing the community only hurts users and FOSS. Your users don’t wish to migrate. Stop forcing them.
2021-05-26 16:33:13 Aaron Sorry for the off topic...
2021-05-26 16:36:06 blabber Freenode is a dumpster fire. Time to let go.
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2021-05-26 16:37:10 synthetek if it's a dumpster fire, why are you here? "Time to Let go" ^
2021-05-26 16:37:48 gbristol the fact that they shut down a bunch of channels that had anything about moving to libera in their topic shows where their heads are at
2021-05-26 16:38:24 kevans91 I do wonder how someone came up with the really clever rasenQan nick
2021-05-26 16:38:31 blabber FreeBSD is my main reason to be here
2021-05-26 16:38:54 Aaron I love Freenode because of my Nick <3
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2021-05-26 16:39:25 @debdrup kevans91: I'm sure it must've taken hours of careful consideration.
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2021-05-26 16:40:52 blabber It would be funnier if it wasn't so close to the truth.
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2021-05-26 16:52:20 probono bye bye freenode. https://twitter.com/fosdem/status/1397454352835653632
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2021-05-26 16:52:58 * debdrup sighs
2021-05-26 16:53:00 AppleGNU Hi forever freenode
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2021-05-26 16:53:33 @debdrup #FreeBSD is not the channel for this kind of thing.
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2021-05-26 19:18:47 resengan https://twitter.com/Phoul/status/1397417297661284352 enjoy :). They have done so with several other channels too. Freenode is fucking burning down.
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2021-05-26 20:18:02 daniel2 I hope you guys realized this was completely fake: <rasenqan> -server notice- Warning, all references to libera.chat are now subject to network-wide ban (k-line)! <= His nickname had a q instead of a g AND he connected through Tor.
2021-05-26 20:18:36 daniel2 Andrew Lee is not going around saying that in channels. There is a lot of people trying to be disruptive. Not I am trying to defend anyone, I am just saying that was entirely fake.
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2021-05-26 20:27:12 koobs1 Time to leave folks
2021-05-26 20:27:14 koobs1 https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Official-FreeBSD-IRC-channels-now-on-Libera-Chat Suggest everyone drop your channels, nicknames and leave freenode
2021-05-26 20:27:27 koobs1 brb
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2021-05-26 20:30:16 synthetek good luck to everyone leaving. hope everything goes well for you, best of luck. :)
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2021-05-26 20:34:14 koobs1 see you all on the other side
2021-05-26 20:35:14 AppleGNU Sad to see that happen. I’ll be staying on freenode.
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2021-05-26 20:38:01 CrtxReavr AppleGNU, you're welcome to it.
2021-05-26 20:38:10 AndrewBC stop trying to move me like cattle
2021-05-26 20:38:15 AppleGNU Lee bought snoonet and it hasn’t collapsed
2021-05-26 20:38:18 AppleGNU This drama is dumb
2021-05-26 20:38:43 CrtxReavr Then why'd they need to kill all chanells with "libera" in their topic?
2021-05-26 20:38:45 CrtxReavr Clearly they're afraid.
2021-05-26 20:38:59 AppleGNU Libera is doing the same thing with freenode topics
2021-05-26 20:39:07 CrtxReavr Bullshit.
2021-05-26 20:39:13 AppleGNU So choose your poison ☠️
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2021-05-26 20:39:17 AppleGNU I’ll stay here
2021-05-26 20:39:20 AndrewBC They didn't kill them, they were reopening them, from what I've seen
2021-05-26 20:39:43 CrtxReavr Like I said, you're welcome to it, plus Libera doesn't need you.
2021-05-26 20:39:52 synthetek lol
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2021-05-26 20:40:01 AppleGNU I bet they don’t. I’d tell people to come here.
2021-05-26 20:40:23 koobs1 CrtxReavr: easy tiger, thanks
2021-05-26 20:40:32 AndrewBC fear agitprop
2021-05-26 20:40:40 daniel2 I don't support whats going on, but come on, this entire decision was excelerated because someone came in pretending to be Andrew Lee and spammed saying that stupid ban threat.
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2021-05-26 20:41:09 AppleGNU daniel2: there was a rasenqan name. Clear clone but people bought it
2021-05-26 20:41:19 daniel2 It had a q, not a g.
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2021-05-26 20:41:34 daniel2 He connected from Tor. It was pretty obviously a fake.
2021-05-26 20:41:42 CrtxReavr Um, no. . . the channel clearing was real. .. happened to two of my channels. .. one of them had been on freenode 10+ years without issue.
2021-05-26 20:42:08 daniel2 But it didn't happen here which is what was being claimed on thw Twitter post and blog post.
2021-05-26 20:42:09 CrtxReavr daniel2, he also had a mis-spelled nick. .. it was obviously fake that way too.
2021-05-26 20:42:30 CrtxReavr I just remembered!
2021-05-26 20:42:30 AndrewBC Do you think the unlocking didn't happen, or that it didn't need to happen?
2021-05-26 20:42:34 CrtxReavr IRC suppose /ignore
2021-05-26 20:42:50 CrtxReavr supports even
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2021-05-26 20:43:17 kevans91 yeah, i'm not sticking around here for freebsd stuff either
2021-05-26 20:43:44 CrtxReavr Nothign to sick around for, IMO. . .
2021-05-26 20:44:06 CrtxReavr I'm going to settle my freenode affairs and continue on Libera. . . and my old haunts on EFnet.
2021-05-26 20:44:17 AppleGNU It’s okay. The community left behind will take the off topic channel.
2021-05-26 20:44:20 -- ChanServ has changed topic for #freebsd from "20210524 - Update #3 on FreeBSD IRC re freenode situation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC" to "."
2021-05-26 20:44:35 AppleGNU So join this mutilation of freenode. We don’t need you.
2021-05-26 20:44:46 koobs1 AppleGNU: please dont agitate, we're not going anywhere
2021-05-26 20:45:27 AppleGNU I’ve not mutilated anything. Hope you don’t think that was me. 😂
2021-05-26 20:45:35 AppleGNU Just noticed the topic change
2021-05-26 20:47:18 daniel2 Either way, decisions shouldn't be made based on emotion for the FreeBSD project imho.
2021-05-26 20:48:24 AppleGNU daniel2: codes of conduct and SJW’ism will do this to projects. Linus Torvalds being chased off should have been a warning for the BSD communities.
2021-05-26 20:49:15 AppleGNU The woke projects jumped ship first. Surprise surprise.
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2021-05-26 20:59:21 daniel2 =]
2021-05-26 21:00:17 koobs1 AppleGNU: please stop agitating.
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2021-05-26 21:07:59 RhodiumToad I'll probably stay connected here in this channel for a while to keep track of what's going on
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2021-05-26 21:09:10 daniel2 My dog apparently sent a smile
2021-05-26 21:09:16 daniel2 Not sure what the chances of that is.
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2021-05-26 21:10:02 RhodiumToad probably fairly high
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2021-05-26 21:25:41 coolvibe I'm sticking around here as well
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2021-05-26 21:46:11 koobs1 RhodiumToad: would appreciate that
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2021-05-26 21:48:29 ptx0 yeah, no reason to go to that other network
2021-05-26 21:48:56 ptx0 feel free to exercise your right to overreact to trivial events
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2021-05-26 21:49:22 RhodiumToad uh, I think you misunderstood what I said
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2021-05-26 21:50:07 RhodiumToad all of my actual helping-people-with-stuff activity is already moved elsewhere
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2021-05-26 21:50:33 ptx0 was talkin to koobs or whoever wrote to "replace freenode with libera in your IRC client"
2021-05-26 21:52:03 rcf AppleGNU: as a point of fact, FreeBSD was the first to adopt such a code of conduct by a large margin.
2021-05-26 21:53:11 koobs1 ptx0: appreciate the feedback, fixed
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2021-05-26 21:56:59 rcf AppleGNU: so by all means continue spreading such bullshit, but please do check the history of projects before pretending to care about their trajectory.
2021-05-26 21:57:14 koobs rcf: please dont engage
2021-05-26 21:57:30 koobs or take to pm
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2021-05-26 21:59:30 AndrewBC I propose that someone fix the topic
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2021-05-26 22:01:29 AndrewBC anecdotally, saboteur hunt?
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2021-05-26 22:01:51 koobs AndrewBC: ?
2021-05-26 22:02:00 AndrewBC The topic is "."
2021-05-26 22:02:12 koobs our primary support network/channel is no longer here
2021-05-26 22:02:23 ptx0 ty koobs
2021-05-26 22:02:31 ptx0 sorry if i sounded rude there
2021-05-26 22:02:32 AndrewBC Has the position of FreeBSD changed policy from maintaining a channel here?
2021-05-26 22:03:02 koobs ptx0: no thats fine, i can understand peoples meotions are running high 'generally' (not a reference to you specifically)
2021-05-26 22:03:10 koobs ptx0: its important to try to be objective, and we tried pretty hard
2021-05-26 22:03:26 koobs AndrewBC: the policy on trolling is the same as its always been
2021-05-26 22:03:57 ptx0 i remember the last /n/ times something dumb has happened on freenode, that's all. i just see it as another overreaction that harms rather than helps. i've been here for almost 20 years, since my youth, and i have a deep attachment for it.
2021-05-26 22:04:11 AndrewBC AllanJude, topic fix or an update on official policy
2021-05-26 22:04:28 AndrewBC debdrup, Savagedlight ^
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2021-05-26 22:05:11 koobs ptx0: the prio is the community, full stop
2021-05-26 22:05:25 koobs AndrewBC: please dont agitate
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2021-05-26 22:05:35 ptx0 same. i just wanna ignore whatever transpired and get stuff done :)
2021-05-26 22:05:39 koobs ptx0: 100%
2021-05-26 22:05:54 ptx0 i'm going to miss some people but maybe they'll come back over time
2021-05-26 22:06:01 AndrewBC koobs, I'm asking for a topic fix, or an update on the official policy.
2021-05-26 22:06:15 ptx0 AndrewBC: they are probably working on it
2021-05-26 22:06:16 AndrewBC There is no agitation there.
2021-05-26 22:06:18 drathir_tor AndrewBC ttps://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Official-FreeBSD-IRC-channels-now-on-Libera-Chat
2021-05-26 22:06:28 daniel2 No point in doing topic changes with what is going on.
2021-05-26 22:06:37 nesta lmao
2021-05-26 22:06:40 koobs AndrewBC: which policy?
2021-05-26 22:06:46 AndrewBC \This seems a GOOD THING to put in the topic
2021-05-26 22:06:55 hostileadmin freenode broke?
2021-05-26 22:06:57 koobs AndrewBC: you would think, but thats unlikely to be the case
2021-05-26 22:06:59 daniel2 I supported Freenode up until the channel takeovers. Things havev gotten out of control.
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2021-05-26 22:07:13 koobs AndrewBC: comms is going to be a long-tail-term thing
2021-05-26 22:07:16 nesta what channels were taken over
2021-05-26 22:07:19 drathir_tor AndrewBC: no possible sadly no topic mention allowed by new network policies...
2021-05-26 22:07:20 ptx0 the official guidance is to put an indicator of where to find primary source of help in chanserv notice.
2021-05-26 22:07:23 koobs please lets not go into that here
2021-05-26 22:07:52 koobs if youd like to discuss the situation (unrelated to freebsd), you know the channels
2021-05-26 22:08:06 AndrewBC Ok, now I know
2021-05-26 22:08:15 nesta koobs: true. my bad
2021-05-26 22:08:21 koobs AndrewBC: sorry if i came across a bit terse. there's people agitating generally
2021-05-26 22:08:35 koobs AndrewBC: we want to be as clear as we can be without any impact on the community
2021-05-26 22:08:43 koobs and at present thats not entirely without challenge
2021-05-26 22:08:44 AndrewBC .
2021-05-26 22:09:01 ptx0 it's been frustrating 😫
2021-05-26 22:10:12 ptx0 koobs: /cs set #freebsd entrymsg ...something here...
2021-05-26 22:10:26 ptx0 is how they say to do it, in #freenode-services
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2021-05-26 22:12:58 koobs ptx0: whats that? "they say to do"
2021-05-26 22:13:00 koobs ?
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2021-05-26 22:20:35 ptx0 the opers said that's how to advertise an alternative channel
2021-05-26 22:20:40 ptx0 on another network
2021-05-26 22:20:54 ptx0 the topic shows up in /list results which contaminates the netsplit.de picture of the network
2021-05-26 22:21:02 ptx0 it's understandable they do not want it in there.
2021-05-26 22:21:14 ptx0 bit stupid how they handled it
2021-05-26 22:21:21 epony better read policy yourself rather than listen people "talk it over incoherently"
2021-05-26 22:21:24 ptx0 at the very least they could have tested it first.
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2021-05-26 22:22:09 epony ptx0, no need for FUD ;-)
2021-05-26 22:23:24 ptx0 12:09 < mol_> <eskimo> it's just that a channel here should be open and accessible for users to join and chat here, if you wanna have a bot or entry message saying "you can also find us on x, y, z networks" that should be ok
2021-05-26 22:23:28 ptx0 12:38 <@eskimo> Noisytoot: sure you can say that you are also available on other networks in an entry message
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2021-05-26 22:24:10 ptx0 two instances of him telling us it's fine to do it that way. i can find examples of it being said that you can't put it in the topic as well, if you like. please stop calling it FUD when i'm explaining the policy.
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2021-05-26 22:24:58 koobs ptx0: ta for the ref.
2021-05-26 22:25:05 epony the policy is written out in a text file, you're explaining some "per case" talks that may have happened before, in public.. it's fuddy a bit
2021-05-26 22:25:30 ptx0 you mean it's something that's been asked and answered repeatedly?
2021-05-26 22:25:40 ptx0 thanks for your input epony
2021-05-26 22:25:44 ptx0 it's been noted
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2021-05-26 23:34:05 Joanna Hi I came here because a friend share a paste from this channel that said .. stop trying to move us like cattle! Good to see that there are still people who can think for themselves. Keep up the good work :j
2021-05-26 23:34:34 synthetek ;)
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2021-05-26 23:39:55 Joanna I wish I knew enough about FreeBSD to converse ;(
2021-05-26 23:43:45 drathir_tor Joanna: always possible migrate from fedora to freebsd... ^^
2021-05-26 23:44:10 Joanna Darn :(
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2021-05-26 23:45:08 Joanna To be honest I haven’t really gotten well acquainted with fedora a am waiting until I’m ready to cross compile for Linux
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2021-05-26 23:49:53 daniel2 I only use Fedora on my server because Plex doesn't have good support on FreeBSD.
2021-05-26 23:50:04 daniel2 Home server, dedicated servers use FreeBSD of course.
2021-05-26 23:50:07 drathir_tor Joanna: in theory if have enough powerfull hw dual boot always Your friend of even vm...
2021-05-26 23:51:10 Joanna Are Linux programs executable in bsd ?
2021-05-26 23:52:21 Joanna With so many types of operating systems based on Linux I wonder if it affects program performance
2021-05-26 23:54:52 drathir_tor Joanna: them could use different compilers and set of libs, but yea there is lot of programs from linux available in freebsd...
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2021-05-26 23:55:08 Joanna That’s good
2021-05-26 23:56:15 Joanna Does sqlite work well with bsd?
2021-05-26 23:56:20 Joanna FreeBSD
2021-05-27 00:03:24 daniel2 Almost everything that runs on Linux will run on FreeBSD, FreeBSD has a compatibility layer for Linux.
2021-05-27 00:03:51 daniel2 sqlite is officially ported to it should run as expected.
2021-05-27 00:09:19 Joanna That’s good
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2021-05-27 00:09:43 ptx0 there's major differences in system tooling like firewalls
2021-05-27 00:10:01 ptx0 or kernel config/build process
2021-05-27 00:10:12 Joanna So things like inifiles work ok in FreeBSD?
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2021-05-27 00:10:49 aranjedeath it's a tar pit
2021-05-27 00:12:56 ptx0 ini files?
2021-05-27 00:13:30 Joanna Like text files
2021-05-27 00:13:41 ptx0 on nix everything is a file
2021-05-27 00:13:48 Joanna With sections
2021-05-27 00:14:00 ptx0 well the same cli tools will work
2021-05-27 00:14:16 ptx0 there's crudini
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2021-05-27 00:24:53 Joanna I’m not sure what I will have to do with code maybe conditional compile
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2021-05-27 01:52:41 meena Joanna: FreeBSD uses SQLite internally, so i would say it works well enough on FreeBSD.
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2021-05-27 02:50:47 robak Å/n
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2021-05-27 03:17:02 Barnerd_ Joanna, robak have you seen https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Official-FreeBSD-IRC-channels-now-on-Libera-Chat ? :D
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2021-05-27 03:46:19 Ner0Zer0 Hello, could u please help me with sh scripting
2021-05-27 03:46:32 Ner0Zer0 trying to pass the following into function: args="-a "arg value"; fx $args
2021-05-27 03:46:40 Ner0Zer0 but receiving 3 args instead of 2
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2021-05-27 03:47:17 Joanna Barnerd_: I’ve heard about the other place but I have quite a few unanswered questions that I’m waiting to be answered
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2021-05-27 03:48:16 koobs Joanna: its just coming up to EU/US morning time, activity tends to be lower until then
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2021-05-27 03:49:04 Joanna koobs: I meant questions about the place people seem to be stampeding to :)
2021-05-27 03:49:55 Ner0Zer0 better formatted question https://bsd.to/fzpD
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2021-05-27 03:52:25 koobs Joanna: oh right, sorry
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2021-05-27 03:53:08 Joanna That’s ok I came here because someone showed me some amusing chat log with someone saying don’t try to move me like cattle
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2021-05-27 03:54:21 Ner0Zer0 looks like everyone is sleeping .... some offtop discussion
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2021-05-27 03:55:39 DarkUranium For those wondering about reasons: https://lwn.net/Articles/857252/ | https://www.gentoo.org/news/2021/05/26/gentoo-freenode-channels-hijacked.html | https://twitter.com/GothAlice/status/1397508696188628993
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2021-05-27 03:55:46 DarkUranium ^ I'm sure that was related.
2021-05-27 03:55:48 Joanna I agree with the “everyone is sleeping “ part :)
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2021-05-27 03:57:56 Joanna Yea I heard about that I think his intention was to prevent people from being prevented from being kicked out or muted in channels but he bungled badly. You can ask for channel to be reinstated
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2021-05-27 03:59:49 ceri off to the other place
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2021-05-27 04:41:08 FooJH wondering if anyone can shed some light on this:
2021-05-27 04:41:08 FooJH I used to be able to add a vlan to a bridge eg. ifconfig bridge0 addm vlan0.
2021-05-27 04:41:09 FooJH On 13.0-RELEASE (upgraded and fresh installed gives same response) I now get "operation not supported" on the above command. Has something changed in 13.0-RELEASE?
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2021-05-27 04:42:14 FooJH Been working well for all versions of 12.x-RELEASE
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2021-05-27 04:45:12 mvanbaak 05:49 daniel2 │ I only use Fedora on my server because Plex doesn't have good support on FreeBSD. <--- What isn't working on FreeBSD ?
2021-05-27 04:45:25 mvanbaak I have been running plex there for years and it's done wonderful so far
2021-05-27 04:46:56 Aaron mvanbaak, change to embed
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2021-05-27 04:47:00 Aaron *emby
2021-05-27 04:47:13 Aaron Its way better then plex
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2021-05-27 04:48:34 mvanbaak that is subjective
2021-05-27 04:48:54 mvanbaak and I dont 'just change to emby'
2021-05-27 04:49:12 Aaron Remember plex is a cheap copy of ember
2021-05-27 04:49:16 Aaron Or a clone..
2021-05-27 04:49:19 Aaron *emby
2021-05-27 04:49:28 mvanbaak right ....
2021-05-27 04:51:22 Aaron So why use a clone knowing that emby-server under freebsd for download ;X
2021-05-27 04:52:54 mvanbaak plex is packaged as well. Now please stay on the matter at hand: daniel2 stating he uses linux for plex. I wonder what problems with plex on freebsd they have
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2021-05-27 05:01:28 TheBeastie I like this topic! :)
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2021-05-27 05:03:56 mvanbaak Anyways, I'm off to the new place. See you there!
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2021-05-27 07:35:20 sysx1000 hello, where I can find all kernel options? it was LINT file before, what is in 12.2?
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2021-05-27 07:38:27 oxek sysx1000: probably better if you ask in the official channel
2021-05-27 07:41:01 sysx1000 am I here?
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2021-05-27 09:07:04 randombit does firefox segfault for only me? it says "too much recursion". and segfault.
2021-05-27 09:07:30 randombit 13 stable, 88.0.1_1,2
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2021-05-27 09:25:43 oxek randombit: you might have better luck in the official channel
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2021-05-27 09:27:00 randombit oxek, this is the official channel. no?
2021-05-27 09:27:08 oxek randombit: read /topic
2021-05-27 09:29:39 randombit lol. they could be more specific. instead of a link, some actual human language could be preferable
2021-05-27 09:30:25 oxek randombit: there's a reason it's obfuscated, but I won't get into it
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2021-05-27 09:30:54 randombit oh. sry.. sure. i get it
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2021-05-27 09:31:18 FUZxxl Hello!
2021-05-27 09:31:31 FUZxxl when booting with EFI, is the freebsd-boot partition still needed?
2021-05-27 09:31:38 FUZxxl or does an ESP suffice?
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2021-05-27 09:31:49 oxek FUZxxl: you too might have better luck in the official channel. Everyone in here is idle.
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2021-05-27 09:32:13 nimaje official channel moved to libera, see https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC
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2021-05-27 09:35:00 randombit tx oxek though.
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2021-05-27 09:41:56 @debdrup Still not really in favour of calling any place official.
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2021-05-27 09:48:38 oxek debdrup: I get what you mean. What phrasing would you suggest when referring to https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC ?
2021-05-27 09:49:09 @debdrup I would just avoid using the word 'official', every sentence works fine without it.
2021-05-27 09:49:47 @debdrup There's plenty of FreeBSD people on EFnet, and also still some on IRCnet - and both predate both FreeNode and Libera as networks.
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2021-05-27 09:51:55 oxek "There is more activity in the other #freebsd channel you can find on https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC if you need support. Feel free to wait here for help though"
2021-05-27 09:51:58 oxek how about that ^
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2021-05-27 09:52:42 @debdrup I'm not sure that holds water.
2021-05-27 09:52:58 ptx0 koobs: looks silly but concensus on your IRC page is a misspelling of consensus
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2021-05-27 09:54:21 oxek debdrup: how about "Have you seen /topic ?"
2021-05-27 09:55:10 ptx0 oxek: how about just letting things lie where they land
2021-05-27 09:55:33 ptx0 there's more users in this channel than the other one
2021-05-27 09:55:46 oxek unfortunately that leads to frustrated users waiting in here for 30+ minutes with zero activity
2021-05-27 09:55:53 oxek most users in here are autoconnect zombies
2021-05-27 09:56:21 last1 I see, so somehow FreeBSD has a duty as to not frustrate users waiting for free support ?
2021-05-27 09:56:29 last1 first time I hear of it
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2021-05-27 09:56:37 @debdrup Some of us are going to stay here to remind people to move over, until a bot can be setup to remind people in a way that doesn't risk the channel being blacklisted for violating network rules (whatever they may be).
2021-05-27 09:56:58 ptx0 debdrup: as i said three times already the official guidance is to use chanserv entrymsg
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2021-05-27 09:57:25 @debdrup ptx0: could you link to this official guidance? Otherwise I only have your word for it ;)
2021-05-27 09:57:36 ptx0 #freenode-services is open for questions
2021-05-27 09:57:38 ptx0 go ask there
2021-05-27 09:57:59 @debdrup I'd rather not, thank you.
2021-05-27 09:58:00 ptx0 i don't know what you want me to do, send you a full txt file log of that channel, or, find a web page that logs it
2021-05-27 09:58:14 ptx0 okay then i guess don't complain
2021-05-27 09:58:31 ptx0 you've been given guidance on how to move forward
2021-05-27 09:59:03 @debdrup ptx0: if it was official guidance, I would've expected it to be spelled out.
2021-05-27 09:59:17 ptx0 🤷
2021-05-27 09:59:45 ptx0 /msg eskimo is it correct that you said chanserv entrymsg is an acceptable solution for reminding users of alternative support venues?
2021-05-27 10:00:02 @debdrup I must admit that I find it very curious that there's a lot of appareantly-new users in here who're all of a sudden chiming up about this topic.
2021-05-27 10:00:22 ptx0 i've been here for years, been friends with daemon. was friends with jer, before he moved to costa rica.
2021-05-27 10:00:41 ptx0 i don't really care much for your curiosity considering you're only using it to deflect
2021-05-27 10:00:46 AndrewBC there are the usual trainwreck tourists
2021-05-27 10:00:48 oxek just alternative nicks because main accounts have been dropped already
2021-05-27 10:01:11 @debdrup ptx0: I wasn't actually talking about you at all, so I'm surprised that you feel the need to remark upon it.
2021-05-27 10:01:20 ptx0 i'm surprised that you're surprised.
2021-05-27 10:01:47 ptx0 isn't context important? i'm here chatting with you and then you throw a non-sequitor out?
2021-05-27 10:01:49 @debdrup Let's not get into an IRC slap fight about whose uncle works at Nintendo, shall we.
2021-05-27 10:02:04 ptx0 was i supposed to think you *weren't* talking to/about me, the one who you were just talking to..?
2021-05-27 10:02:20 @debdrup This is IRC, since you've been here before you well know conversations tend to meander.
2021-05-27 10:02:45 ptx0 alright, good to know that sometimes you say things that are completely unrelated to the current discussion
2021-05-27 10:02:52 @debdrup I was more looking at the backlog of the past few days, prompted by noticing a few nicks I hadn't ever seen before.
2021-05-27 10:03:01 @debdrup You don't?
2021-05-27 10:03:06 ptx0 yeah a few showed up mentioning they'd showed up purely from logs they'd seen
2021-05-27 10:03:10 @debdrup Conversations must be short then. :)
2021-05-27 10:03:40 @debdrup So far as I know, there are no public logs of #FreeBSD?
2021-05-27 10:04:04 ptx0 seems to be *some* public logs,, either copy-pasted in a pastebin or otherwise
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2021-05-27 10:04:54 ptx0 00:54:07 < Joanna> That’s ok I came here because someone showed me some amusing chat log with someone saying don’t try to move me like cattle
2021-05-27 10:05:17 ptx0 one instance - admittedly the only one i've seen thus far
2021-05-27 10:05:28 ptx0 but i figure there's gotta be ones who didn't state it :P
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2021-05-27 10:06:22 @debdrup Interesting
2021-05-27 10:06:41 @debdrup Well, vaguely so, at any rate. Besides, we all know dealing with IRC is way more like herding cats. :P
2021-05-27 10:06:42 ptx0 yeah they're switching to FreeBSD as a result
2021-05-27 10:06:49 ptx0 so i guess there's an upside to the IRC shake-up
2021-05-27 10:07:01 @debdrup Why would those two be linked?
2021-05-27 10:07:06 AndrewBC Herding cats indeed.
2021-05-27 10:07:20 ptx0 why not?
2021-05-27 10:07:35 ptx0 they came here and wanted to stick around and figured "learning FreeBSD" would make their presence relevant
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2021-05-27 10:12:36 @debdrup Ah, so distro-hopping. Fair enough.
2021-05-27 10:13:00 @debdrup My observation over the decades has been that the people tend to stick around if they decide for themselves to go in whole-hog, as it were.
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2021-05-27 10:14:38 ptx0 i used freebsd at first because it was the only OS with amd64 nvidia drivers
2021-05-27 10:14:53 ptx0 freebsd needs some 'killer app' like that again
2021-05-27 10:15:13 oxek like jails?
2021-05-27 10:15:21 oxek like zfs?
2021-05-27 10:15:24 oxek ...
2021-05-27 10:15:38 ptx0 both are on Linux
2021-05-27 10:15:41 ptx0 try again
2021-05-27 10:15:50 ptx0 (even Windows has ZFS now)
2021-05-27 10:16:12 oxek zfs is troublesome on linux due to licensing
2021-05-27 10:16:20 ptx0 tell that to all the people using it there
2021-05-27 10:16:25 ptx0 FreeBSD's `pf` isn't even as good as OpenBSD's
2021-05-27 10:16:26 @debdrup jails aren't on FreeBSD, non-isolated containers are. freebsd still has MAC, and zfs is way more integrated on freebsd than it is anywhere else
2021-05-27 10:16:41 @debdrup and the windows port of zfs isn't even alpha, so why even bring it up
2021-05-27 10:16:41 ptx0 i've got it built into my Linux kernel :)
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2021-05-27 10:17:00 ptx0 Ubuntu's Grub-Zfs integration supports BEs too
2021-05-27 10:17:00 @debdrup ptx0: good thing FreeBSd has ipfw then, since it's clearly the better firewall ;)
2021-05-27 10:17:10 ptx0 debdrup: does it have uid tracking?
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2021-05-27 10:17:45 @debdrup No, you know what, I've had this conversation so often, I'm already starting to get bored with it. You can continue it if you want, but I'm out.
2021-05-27 10:18:29 ptx0 uid tracking is pretty sweet though, it means i can say a specific user doesn't have access to networking
2021-05-27 10:19:04 ptx0 as far as i know, no firewall on bsd has this in any variation of bsd, which i require, because i maintain a storage appliance that runs on ZFS and iSCSI
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2021-05-27 10:21:41 ivaat there is no such easy system like jail in linux :)
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2021-05-27 10:22:07 ivaat lxc maybe but i find jails better :)
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2021-05-27 10:36:32 ptx0 ivaat: i would have loved jails, if their kernel routing weren't broken
2021-05-27 10:36:45 ptx0 i had a jail with webserver and one with mysql daemon and tried to have it connect from webserver to mysql jail using a given IP that's assigned to the webserver jail, however, it connects from an unrelated IP on the host
2021-05-27 10:37:06 ptx0 so the end result was i'd have to add mysql users to the jail using % as their ACL hostname
2021-05-27 10:37:20 ptx0 it was really bad
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2021-05-27 10:43:03 ivaat what
2021-05-27 10:43:17 ivaat what you mean by unrelated IP ?
2021-05-27 10:44:52 ptx0 well say a jail only had the ip 10.25.25.25 and the other jail it connects to was 10.25.25.26
2021-05-27 10:45:06 ptx0 the host had unrelated IPs assigned to its interface(s) like 1.2.3.4
2021-05-27 10:45:22 ptx0 the webserver user would connect to the sql jail from 1.2.3.4 instead of 10.25.25.25
2021-05-27 10:45:51 ptx0 i tried a lot of things to fix this condition
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2021-05-27 10:46:16 ptx0 i'd spent a long time setting the environment up, so, a single issue like that getting in my way, i didn't think it was a big deal. thought i'd done something wrong
2021-05-27 10:47:26 ivaat there is no such thing as unrelated ip
2021-05-27 10:47:32 ptx0 definitely didn't want to have to install a different OS. but i couldn't wait forever to get it fixed, and wasn't keen on ignoring IP rules in general, even though that would definitely work as a workaround.
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2021-05-27 10:47:53 ptx0 ivaat: i literally just explained what i meant, if you don't get it, oh well
2021-05-27 10:48:14 ptx0 what would be more helpful is if you could enlighten me as to what i did wrong that caused this condition
2021-05-27 10:48:44 ivaat jail has jail node ip, nothing else
2021-05-27 10:50:15 ivaat you can paste your jail conf to bsd.to.. i can overlook and help if you need
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2021-05-27 10:54:28 FooJH bumping in the hope someone can educate me on the following:
2021-05-27 10:54:29 FooJH I used to be able to add a vlan to a bridge eg. ifconfig bridge0 addm vlan0.
2021-05-27 10:54:29 FooJH On 13.0-RELEASE (upgraded and fresh installed gives same response) I now get "operation not supported" on the above command. Has something changed in 13.0-RELEASE?
2021-05-27 10:54:30 FooJH Been working well for all versions of 12.x-RELEASE
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2021-05-27 10:56:11 ptx0 ivaat: i mean the host IPs. i gave each jail only one IPv4
2021-05-27 10:56:28 ptx0 when i say 'unrelated IP' i mean an IP that exists on the host but isn't allocated to that jail
2021-05-27 10:56:47 ptx0 i don't think jail outbound connections should occur from an ip source that isn't allocated to that jail
2021-05-27 10:57:06 ptx0 also, it's POSSIBLE that this doesn't occur anymore, since i was configuring that system first in 2015
2021-05-27 10:57:22 ptx0 tried STABLE, CURRENT, and legacy releases. all had the same issue
2021-05-27 10:58:30 ptx0 i would spin up a spare system and test it out but since there's no equivalent uid tracking module that iptables has... there's very little point. i'd be taking a huge step backward in terms of security.
2021-05-27 10:58:51 bsdbandit good morning my fellow unix bsd hackers
2021-05-27 10:59:41 ptx0 mo'nin'
2021-05-27 10:59:57 FooJH ptx0 not sure what the question was but I put an NAT on the host for outbound traffic from jails.
2021-05-27 11:00:25 ptx0 i did that too
2021-05-27 11:00:38 ptx0 NAT wasn't the problem but intra-jail communication over the single jail host was
2021-05-27 11:00:52 FooJH not the same subnet?
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2021-05-27 11:00:59 ptx0 to my untrained eye, it felt like the kernel routing table wasn't isolated between jails
2021-05-27 11:01:03 FooJH my jail subnet is different from the host
2021-05-27 11:01:04 ptx0 FooJH: they're all the same subnet
2021-05-27 11:01:14 ptx0 ok yeah
2021-05-27 11:01:19 ptx0 all jails were on their own subnet
2021-05-27 11:01:26 ivaat ptx0: so you claim that stable rls had bug in 2015 year :)?
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2021-05-27 11:01:46 ptx0 ivaat: all three branches did. do you have anything useful to contribute to my issue?
2021-05-27 11:01:50 nesta lol
2021-05-27 11:01:53 FooJH  i had one jail serve dhcp. all new jails run consul so i don't have to remember ips
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2021-05-27 11:02:01 ivaat ptx0: yes well.. your simply trolling, sry
2021-05-27 11:02:26 nesta ptx0: check out netgraph mister security man
2021-05-27 11:02:28 nesta lol
2021-05-27 11:02:34 nesta ivaat: yeah he is
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2021-05-27 11:03:26 ptx0 🤷
2021-05-27 11:03:26 FooJH nesta, ptx0 have you any thoughts to my bridge qn above? this is a blocker for me upgrading to 13.0
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2021-05-27 11:04:28 ptx0 a vlan device exists?
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2021-05-27 11:05:03 FooJH i create vlans in rc.conf like this:
2021-05-27 11:05:03 FooJH vlans_vtnet0="vlan0"
2021-05-27 11:05:04 FooJH create_args_vlan0="vlan 7"
2021-05-27 11:05:04 FooJH ifconfig_vlan0="inet 192.168.85.1/24"
2021-05-27 11:05:31 ptx0 there's no vlandev ?
2021-05-27 11:05:48 FooJH what's a vlandev?
2021-05-27 11:05:54 ptx0 ifconfig vlan2 create vlan 5 vlandev igb5
2021-05-27 11:06:00 ptx0 like this when running via cli
2021-05-27 11:06:02 FooJH lemme try
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2021-05-27 11:07:08 FooJH same response:
2021-05-27 11:07:08 FooJH  ifconfig bridge0 addm vlan1 10:06
2021-05-27 11:07:09 FooJH ifconfig: BRDGADD vlan1: Operation not supported
2021-05-27 11:07:30 ptx0 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/bhyve-unable-to-add-vtnet0-to-bridge0.79421/
2021-05-27 11:07:36 ptx0 i think this is the same issue
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2021-05-27 11:07:59 ptx0 thanks for providing the full error output
2021-05-27 11:08:31 ivaat FooJH: what is your ifconfig -a output (paste to https://bsd.to) ?
2021-05-27 11:10:13 ptx0 debdrup: can you update the /topic to be more useful like mention to use pastebin, wait for an answer, etc
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2021-05-27 11:11:42 FooJH ptx0 sorry for the delay. I tried the steps recommended it is works! there IS a bug in addm
2021-05-27 11:11:57 FooJH or ifconfig. not sure exactly where it is
2021-05-27 11:12:00 FooJH DANG!
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2021-05-27 11:15:51 FooJH so here's the qn: assuming it will be months before the bug is fixed, how should i script my startup so it automatically brings down the interface, adds the bridge, and bring the if up again? will you recommend writing a service in /usr/local/etc/rc.d/? Doesn't smell like the best way.
2021-05-27 11:17:14 ptx0 i think that you might want to simply wait for 13 to be fixed
2021-05-27 11:17:52 FooJH sad
2021-05-27 11:18:24 ptx0 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=254343
2021-05-27 11:18:43 ptx0 there is a patch here
2021-05-27 11:18:54 ptx0 or rather, at least analyses of the broken code
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2021-05-27 11:21:22 ValeraRozuvan Can someone confirm that the following command produces random text on FreeBSD:
2021-05-27 11:21:24 ValeraRozuvan tr -dc A-Za-z0-9 </dev/urandom | head -c $LENGTH ; echo ''
2021-05-27 11:21:39 ValeraRozuvan where $LENGTH is 1, 2, 3, 4... an integer.
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2021-05-27 11:37:04 Iambchop ValeraRozuvan: 12.2-RELEASE-p6 => tr: Illegal byte sequence
2021-05-27 11:37:50 FooJH thanks ptx0. I read your link and it suggested a script in /etc/start_if.bridge0. I've never written a script in that spot before. Maybe I should try.
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2021-05-27 11:38:39 bsdbandit yay i got my wireless headphones to work with my freebsd box
2021-05-27 11:38:39 bsdbandit :)
2021-05-27 11:38:47 bsdbandit feeling complished
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2021-05-27 11:38:54 The_Ringmaster Awesome!
2021-05-27 11:38:57 The_Ringmaster what brand?
2021-05-27 11:39:04 bsdbandit corsair
2021-05-27 11:39:07 bsdbandit wireless
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2021-05-27 11:43:36 bsdbandit for anyone coding in rust on freebsd has anyone got cargo to work properly on freebsd
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2021-05-27 11:43:58 bsdbandit i can compile my rust code with rustc but not with cargo
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2021-05-27 12:07:54 Skynet debdrup: based on the topic, would it make sense to +if this channel and have it forward to ##moved-to-libera?
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2021-05-27 12:12:50 oxek Skynet: hasn't been decided yet
2021-05-27 12:13:10 ptx0 Skynet: no? we're helping people in here?
2021-05-27 12:13:12 Skynet Fair enough. Just going off of the topic which states Libera is now the official home.
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2021-05-27 12:13:38 ptx0 06:42:55 <@debdrup> Still not really in favour of calling any place official.
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2021-05-27 12:14:12 Skynet Per the link in the topic, set by variable, "FreeBSD's official IRC presence is now on the Libera Chat network"
2021-05-27 12:14:14 ptx0 anyway if you have questions about freebsd, would be glad to help
2021-05-27 12:14:54 ptx0 Skynet: yeah well initially it told people to remove Freenode from their IRC clients altogether and that was removed based on feedback so, "wait and see"
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2021-05-27 12:15:07 Skynet Fair enough
2021-05-27 12:15:15 Skynet I'm in both for the time being.
2021-05-27 12:15:44 ptx0 i'm only here, so if you want to avoid me, that's relatively simple :P
2021-05-27 12:16:06 Skynet Lol. I would need a reason to do that first. :D
2021-05-27 12:16:18 * ptx0 just wants to make it easy on people
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2021-05-27 12:23:14 FooJH is that #freebsd-irc on libera?
2021-05-27 12:23:30 FooJH that place's quiet man
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2021-05-27 12:26:01 zykotick9 FooJH: you need to register your nick to be able to join #freebsd on libera. If you're not registered, you'll be redirected to the #freebsd-irc channel.
2021-05-27 12:27:34 FooJH zykotick9 oic thanks
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2021-05-27 12:32:37 FooJH this may not be a freebsd-specific qn: if i have x servers each running a unique subnet for their jails, and i want jails across servers to be able to route directly to each other (vs routing via the default gateway). so that means the servers have to set static routes? is there a more elegant solution?
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2021-05-27 12:34:42 FooJH this may not be a freebsd-specific qn: if i have x servers each running a unique subnet for their jails, and i want jails across servers to be able to route directly to each other (vs routing via the default gateway). so that means the servers have to set static routes? is there a more elegant solution?
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2021-05-27 12:36:01 FooJH to illustrate:
2021-05-27 12:36:01 FooJH server a 192.168.0.10 with jails in 192.168.10.0/24
2021-05-27 12:36:02 FooJH server b 192.168.0.11 with jails in 192.168.20.0/24
2021-05-27 12:36:02 FooJH server c 192.168.0.10 with jails in 192.168.30.0/24
2021-05-27 12:36:03 FooJH traffic from jails in c should be able to route directly to jails in b
2021-05-27 12:36:03 FooJH does this make sense?
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2021-05-27 12:36:38 ivaat over router/gw yes
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2021-05-27 12:42:57 FooJH i wonder if bgp is overkill...
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2021-05-27 12:56:47 ValeraRozuvan FooJH: If you are wondering - check #freebsd on libera - plenty going on there.
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2021-05-27 13:06:30 FooJH oh the torrent!
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2021-05-27 13:08:51 paulf does FreeBSD still have floppy drive support?
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2021-05-27 13:13:16 BigKnife have support and is it known to still work are two separate things
2021-05-27 13:13:20 BigKnife the code still exists
2021-05-27 13:13:37 BigKnife I haven't seen it work personally in at least a decade
2021-05-27 13:14:23 paulf OK I want to get rid of some old books and software, including a bunch of floppies which I'd like to try to copy before they go
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2021-05-27 13:15:19 paulf my only PC with a floppy drive is my old Solaris box, but even Solaris dropped floppy support with version 11 (and the box has 11.3 on it)
2021-05-27 13:15:57 paulf I'll try booting a FreeBSD DVD and see what I can do with that
2021-05-27 13:16:44 BigKnife if it doesn't work
2021-05-27 13:16:52 BigKnife try a FreeBSD 4.x cd instead :)
2021-05-27 13:18:03 paulf yes but I'll still need to transfer the disk images somewhere (thumb drive, FTP)
2021-05-27 13:18:23 paulf so I need at least floppy + net/usb to work
2021-05-27 13:18:46 paulf I feel old :-)
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2021-05-27 13:20:44 ivaat floppies might come back as vintage ting like vinyl did BUT floppies where notorious bad sectors happening to new disks as well :)
2021-05-27 13:20:49 ValeraRozuvan Install Linux 2.x distro, just for the copying of flopies and saving to some FTP. And you are good ;) Delete the Linux distro, and setup latest FreeBSD.
2021-05-27 13:20:51 ivaat thing*
2021-05-27 13:21:34 paulf I have FreeBSD on my slightly less old PC
2021-05-27 13:22:01 paulf but no floppy drive and I don't have (and not worth getting) an external one
2021-05-27 13:22:15 ValeraRozuvan By the way - https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/disks/#floppies
2021-05-27 13:22:33 paulf I might one day get round to upgrading to Illumos on the old PC
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2021-05-27 13:23:29 paulf I'll give that a go, for the moment I'm ripping a few CDs
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2021-05-27 13:37:10 siix does anyone use a front-end UI for git on bsd? i'd like to find a gitkraken package but any decent UI will do. thanks :)
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2021-05-27 14:05:44 @debdrup ptx0: for what it's worth, my comment about not calling anything official has more to do with the larger prescence of actual FreeBSD users on EFnet than here on FreeNode or Libera, based on the number of active users vs idle users.
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2021-05-27 14:06:34 @debdrup Eventually this channel will probably have to have something done with it, but we're not in a hurry because it doesn't serve anyone to make knee-jerk reactions.
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2021-05-27 14:19:02 distefam4 Is there a recommended way to suspend on a FreeBSD desktop (not a laptop)? I do not mind consuming power but I would like the fans to at least turn off when I'm not using my computer. I have been searching for some time and all of the resource I have found reference laptop sleep. I am running FreeBSD 13.0-RELEASE and my hardware supports S3 S4 and
2021-05-27 14:19:03 distefam4 S5 sleep states. I have an Nvidia graphics card and have loaded the requisite kernel modules. I am running i3wm via startx.
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2021-05-27 14:19:59 @debdrup distefam4: depending on youur hardware and configuration, it can be done by shutting the lid, pressing the sleep button, pressing the shutdown button, or binding a key any number of ways.
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2021-05-27 14:20:15 @debdrup Welp.
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2021-05-27 14:22:15 distefam4 debdrup thank you. I have manually put the computer to sleep using `# zzz` but have not been able to wake using a USB keyboard.
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2021-05-27 14:23:12 @debdrup distefam4: if it's struggling with waking, you might wanna have a look at https://wiki.freebsd.org/SuspendResume
2021-05-27 14:24:08 distefam4 I had been there, however, the part about suspending from X is "TBD". The table, however, does indicate that many systems are able to suspend/resume with X.
2021-05-27 14:24:40 @debdrup My T420 certainly can, but I can't speak to any others :)
2021-05-27 14:25:03 distefam4 Ok, thank you for your help.
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2021-05-27 17:30:25 toniz4 hello, after some help from some people two or three days ago, about my raspberry pi and how zfs would run in my external hard drive. It all worked beautifully, thanks guys! It's hard to find a "community" that people takes the time to help newcomers
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2021-05-27 17:38:01 RhodiumToad note that the community is moving, see topic
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2021-05-27 17:39:55 ptx0 freenode is still freenode and freebsd will be here to help. if you want MORE help, go to /efnet/, not libera.
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2021-05-27 17:50:38 toniz4 RhodiumToad: I saw that, they purged gentoo from here too. There is any reason for that? Or just abuse of power?
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2021-05-27 17:51:29 toniz4 That's kinda ironic, the reason that channels started migrating from here is because the fear of the new staff..
2021-05-27 17:51:38 RhodiumToad presumably Lee found it offensive to his ego for the channel topic list to be full of "we moved to libera" topics
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2021-05-27 17:53:19 RhodiumToad (some of the channels that were taken over had not even moved, they just had topics saying that a move was under discussion)
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2021-05-27 17:55:24 RhodiumToad anyway, the new freebsd channel on libera now has almost as many users as here and substantially more on-topic discussion
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2021-05-27 18:05:13 ivaat itäs just weird how people paint things.. "fear of new staff.." lol.. not a fear. dislike how they do things.. thats all
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2021-05-27 18:08:25 ptx0 RhodiumToad: can you stop with the off-topic banter
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2021-05-27 18:08:39 ptx0 you're the only fucking one who's doing that
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2021-05-27 18:10:04 ivaat ptx0: you should read topic channel url.. it clearly has on wiki information that freebsd irc is now in libera
2021-05-27 18:10:33 ptx0 debdrup: ^ see what's happening now?
2021-05-27 18:11:09 * ivaat wonders - what is then happening now? couple lines offtopic is huge crime?
2021-05-27 18:11:20 ptx0 11:06:43 <@debdrup> ptx0: for what it's worth, my comment about not calling anything official has more to do with the larger prescence of actual FreeBSD users on EFnet than here on FreeNode or Libera, based on the number of active
2021-05-27 18:11:28 ivaat itäs normal after such bang.. people will talk
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2021-05-27 18:19:39 -- Savagedlight has changed topic for #freebsd from "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC" to "#freebsd"
2021-05-27 18:19:44 @Savagedlight what
2021-05-27 18:19:51 @Savagedlight stupid client
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2021-05-27 18:20:17 ivaat happens.. o O
2021-05-27 18:21:08 -- Savagedlight has changed topic for #freebsd from "#freebsd" to "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-05-27 18:21:13 @Savagedlight there we go, back to what it was
2021-05-27 18:21:19 -- Mode #freebsd [-o Savagedlight] by Savagedlight
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2021-05-27 18:23:15 ptx0 ty
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2021-05-27 18:26:34 Sacha it's done here cya on libera
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2021-05-27 18:28:43 visl neat. see you on the other side
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2021-05-28 01:15:09 et09 anyone actually understand 'cuse'?
2021-05-28 01:17:01 et09 or vkbd
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2021-05-28 01:58:35 et09 lol well i managed to crash x
2021-05-28 01:59:35 et09 segfaulted even
2021-05-28 02:04:38 et09 trying to create an evdev device manually with x on and it really doesn't like it
2021-05-28 02:04:42 et09 cuse->evdev
2021-05-28 02:04:46 et09 idk
2021-05-28 02:05:00 et09 this is black magic
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2021-05-28 08:37:05 moldorcoder7 did something changed on new freebsd 13 zfs to import a pool ? i can see the pool when doing zpool import -FnN but not anymore when doping zpool status
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2021-05-28 08:40:34 moldorcoder7 ok on ehave to import it explixitly now
2021-05-28 08:40:36 oxek moldorcoder7: if you don't get any meaningful answers in here, then read through the link in /topic
2021-05-28 08:41:51 moldorcoder7 ha ok all move to that new chat
2021-05-28 08:41:58 moldorcoder7 oxek, thanks dont have the reflex yet :)
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2021-05-28 08:55:51 nomad_fr hi
2021-05-28 08:56:02 nomad_fr I'd like this page to be updated http://build.zfsonlinux.org/zfs-features.html
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2021-05-28 09:00:43 oxek nomad_fr: probably contact someone you find on https://github.com/openzfs/zfs
2021-05-28 09:00:52 oxek that page is not hosted by the freebsd project
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2021-05-28 09:01:04 @debdrup Did you read the notice at the bottom of the page?
2021-05-28 09:01:47 oxek debdrup: the issue is that the zfs.py was not rerun since 2020
2021-05-28 09:01:57 @debdrup I'm aware.
2021-05-28 09:02:52 nomad_fr but if we run it does it include FreeBSD 13 and OpenZFS ?
2021-05-28 09:03:49 @debdrup Who are "we"?
2021-05-28 09:03:57 nomad_fr ahah
2021-05-28 09:04:51 @debdrup If you grab zfs.py and run it locally you can probably generate updated data, but I don't see how that's going to help change what's on that page, which has nothing to do with FreeBSD.
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2021-05-28 09:05:45 nomad_fr it's seems to be it seems to look like inside svn
2021-05-28 09:06:05 nomad_fr https://svnweb.freebsd.org/base/head/cddl/contrib/opensolaris/cmd/zpool/zpool-features.7?view=co
2021-05-28 09:06:51 @debdrup Your point being?
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2021-05-28 09:09:01 @debdrup the zfs.py script isn't part of the openzfs projects repositories as far as i can spot, and there's no mention of an author, so it's almost impossible to find out who to contact to get things changed.
2021-05-28 09:09:03 nomad_fr In fact when you use ZFS (and I think FreeBSD is a good OS for that) is to know which version of ZFS compatible with which other OS
2021-05-28 09:09:22 @debdrup but that doesn't change the fact that it's got nothing to do with FreeBSD
2021-05-28 09:10:01 nomad_fr FreeBSD support ZFS since a long time so ..
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2021-05-28 09:10:29 @debdrup yes, i've been using it since 7.0, but so what?
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2021-05-28 09:12:02 nomad_fr how to now which features and which version is avaible then on FreeBSD ?
2021-05-28 09:12:44 @debdrup https://man.freebsd.org/zpool-features(7)
2021-05-28 09:13:11 @debdrup err, it's in section 5.
2021-05-28 09:13:27 @debdrup https://man.freebsd.org/zpool-features(5)
2021-05-28 09:14:06 @debdrup why it's in section 5 i don't know, it should be in section 7.
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2021-05-28 09:14:19 nomad_fr https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=zpool-features&apropos=0&sektion=7&manpath=FreeBSD+13.0-RELEASE&arch=default&format=html
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2021-05-28 09:14:27 nomad_fr Sorry, no data found for `zpool-features(7)'.
2021-05-28 09:14:35 @debdrup click the second link
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2021-05-28 09:15:18 nomad_fr ouuuu
2021-05-28 09:15:20 nomad_fr ok lol
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2021-05-28 11:32:00 ptx0 debdrup: looks like someone forgot to include this channel in the channels list.
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2021-05-28 11:34:24 @debdrup Please stop hilighting me for completely random things that's got nothing to do with me.
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2021-05-28 11:36:25 ptx0 ?
2021-05-28 11:36:29 ptx0 it's the freebsd wiki
2021-05-28 11:36:36 ptx0 it's in /topic
2021-05-28 11:36:41 ptx0 how is that 'completely random'
2021-05-28 11:37:28 @debdrup FreeBSD is migrating away from FreeNode because of choices made by the FreeNode staff - this is not up for debate.
2021-05-28 11:37:52 ptx0 same decisions have been made by efnet admins and it's on the list too
2021-05-28 11:38:10 @debdrup It's not up for debate.
2021-05-28 11:38:29 ptx0 i'm not debating it, i'm point out an oversight
2021-05-28 11:38:38 ptx0 524 users in here, it's a substantial group
2021-05-28 11:39:15 @debdrup The vast majority of the people in here are idle, and many have never said a single thing, so it's not the argument that you think it is.
2021-05-28 11:39:18 ptx0 you could just add it to the "Unofficial Channels" subsection of "Other Networks".
2021-05-28 11:39:42 @debdrup Anyway, I've got better things to do than discuss this.
2021-05-28 11:39:56 ptx0 yeah, there's not much to discuss. it's just a list of channels.
2021-05-28 11:39:59 ptx0 adios
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2021-05-28 11:50:27 Hiryu I'm running FreeBSD 13 with Nvidia drivers (3090). For whatever reason, the refresh rate of the mouse is noticeably lower than it should be. At most it's 30 fps. Is this expected? This happens under both KDE and TWM so it's probably not a desktop specific issue. In the past when I had used FreeBSD+Nvidia, this didn't happen (last time was maybe a few years ago?). I don't have any other GPU's to test against, and I don't know if it's even Nvidia related
2021-05-28 11:51:47 ptx0 do you run 3d stuff at all, does it work okay? glxgears, etc?
2021-05-28 11:52:01 Iambchop was this a new install of 13 or an upgrade?
2021-05-28 11:52:25 Hiryu 3d accel does appear to be working via glxinfo (which shows direct rendering yes and using the Nvidia driver)
2021-05-28 11:52:50 Hiryu (I am also aware that glxinfo these days will still say direct rendering is yes even with software, but it specifically shows it's using Nvidia)
2021-05-28 11:53:56 ptx0 are you using Xorg or Wayland?
2021-05-28 11:54:20 Hiryu Xorg
2021-05-28 11:54:31 ptx0 anything fun / exciting in its logs?
2021-05-28 11:54:40 Hiryu is Plasma even realistically usable with Wayland yet? That sounded like a WIP at very best
2021-05-28 11:54:43 Hiryu no
2021-05-28 11:54:56 ptx0 i don't know much about wayland tbh so i was just wondering if i'm out of my element here like donnie
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2021-05-28 11:55:07 ptx0 (it's a big lebowski reference)
2021-05-28 11:55:27 Hiryu :D
2021-05-28 11:55:39 Hiryu so compositing is on and refresh rate of screen is set to 120
2021-05-28 11:55:49 Hiryu glxgears was giving me around 80 fps though
2021-05-28 11:55:52 ptx0 i'm curious if it's too stupid to try feel free to say no, but have you tried using something like VNC to connect over LAN and see if the cursor behaves poorly there too?
2021-05-28 11:55:56 Hiryu which is weird
2021-05-28 11:56:06 Hiryu youd' think it would hit 120 (vsyned)
2021-05-28 11:56:10 Hiryu *vsynced
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2021-05-28 11:56:19 ptx0 yeah it's easy for it to hit 2400s with vsync off
2021-05-28 11:57:05 ptx0 721 frames in 5.0 seconds = 144.000 FPS
2021-05-28 11:57:08 ptx0 i'm at 144hz here.
2021-05-28 11:57:19 ptx0 and a vega 56
2021-05-28 11:58:31 Hiryu oh this is weird
2021-05-28 11:58:39 Hiryu I set the refresh to 144 (monitor supports 60, 120, and 144)
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2021-05-28 11:58:47 Hiryu and now glxgears is hitting about 144 as expected
2021-05-28 11:59:28 ptx0 kinda strange
2021-05-28 11:59:31 Hiryu mouse seems smoother than it has been (I've tried 144 Hz in the past and it didn't really help). I seem some choppiness, but I'm updating my ports right now
2021-05-28 11:59:36 ptx0 when you move windows around on the desktop do they lag/tear?
2021-05-28 11:59:44 Hiryu but I also have a 36 thread CPU
2021-05-28 11:59:57 Hiryu no tearing, the windows seem like they lag like the mouse
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2021-05-28 12:00:43 Hiryu okay, I take something back
2021-05-28 12:00:45 Hiryu mouse is slow again
2021-05-28 12:00:50 Hiryu dragging windows seems pretty smooth
2021-05-28 12:00:54 Hiryu but mouse refresh is still slow
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2021-05-28 12:01:30 Hiryu I have hardware cursor set to own on xorg.conf and software cursor off... I did that at some point in my experimentation
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2021-05-28 12:02:15 rennj vblank_mode=0 glxgears
2021-05-28 12:02:35 rennj 5935 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1186.859 FPS
2021-05-28 12:02:40 rennj amd apu ftw!
2021-05-28 12:04:03 Hiryu vblank_mode=0 isn't working. You sure that's the right variable name?
2021-05-28 12:04:11 rennj and this is 2015 hp amd laptop
2021-05-28 12:04:27 rennj depends on compile i suppose
2021-05-28 12:04:41 rennj ATTENTION: default value of option vblank_mode overridden by environment. should see
2021-05-28 12:04:53 rennj im on linux also
2021-05-28 12:05:10 Hiryu yeah, that might be a custom patch or something
2021-05-28 12:05:25 Hiryu I also have Linux on this box, and the cursor is completely smooth
2021-05-28 12:05:34 Hiryu to be fair, I think it's been at least a few years since I've run X on FreeBSD :)
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2021-05-28 12:06:31 Hiryu ptx0: how's your mouse configured? Is it just using the same device as moused?
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2021-05-28 12:09:04 Hiryu are the Nvidia drivers for FreeBSD somewhat deprecated? I thought I read something about that within the last 1-3 years
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2021-05-28 12:10:19 rennj i think nvidia has freebsd and solaris support still..
2021-05-28 12:10:54 rennj https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/freebsd-x64-archive/
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2021-05-28 12:11:10 rennj Release Date: May 18, 2021
2021-05-28 12:11:17 Hiryu I've never tried Nvidia under Solaris
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2021-05-28 12:11:31 rennj well vesa mode for you then
2021-05-28 12:11:35 Hiryu years ago, I tried the Quake 3 SPARC port as I had a Sunblade 2000 with some sorta 3d accelerator
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2021-05-28 12:11:50 rennj sb2k with xvr/ati radeon
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2021-05-28 12:12:09 rennj xvr graphics cards where ati cards really
2021-05-28 12:12:15 Hiryu hopefully I can switch to AMD for my GPU next generation. 6000 series is a big move in the right direction
2021-05-28 12:12:24 Hiryu I think it was an XVR
2021-05-28 12:12:33 Hiryu I still have it. I powered it on about a year ago, ran fine
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2021-05-28 12:12:56 Hiryu I should give it away. It draws power like you wouldn't believe and I have no need for it. I've already given away all my other SPARC's except for one U10 I'm keeping
2021-05-28 12:13:08 Iambchop https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/freebsd-feature-deprecation-schedule/61438 "Support for 32-bit x86 kernels, Support for Fermi-based GPUs, Support for FreeBSD versions older than 10.4, Support for FreeBSD versions older than 12.2"
2021-05-28 12:13:14 rennj could be worse, could be 280R, 2 psu's
2021-05-28 12:13:29 Hiryu ah, it's rackmount sibling
2021-05-28 12:13:33 Hiryu *its
2021-05-28 12:13:33 rennj yeah like 750-1000watt psu
2021-05-28 12:13:53 rennj 280R was dual cpu like sb1k.2k.2500
2021-05-28 12:14:11 ptx0 Hiryu: i'm on linux :s
2021-05-28 12:14:24 Hiryu hahaha
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2021-05-28 12:14:48 Hiryu I'm in Linux most of the time, but I'd like to be able to mess around in a FreeBSD desktop from time to time. I have multiple FreeBSD servers
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2021-05-28 12:14:58 ptx0 is it interrupts perhaps
2021-05-28 12:15:15 ptx0 i'm getting a bit into the grasping-at-straws turf
2021-05-28 12:15:16 Hiryu ptx0: yeah, I've very much considered that. That's why I'm wondering how common this is
2021-05-28 12:15:52 ptx0 hmm
2021-05-28 12:15:59 ptx0 do you have msi enabled etc?
2021-05-28 12:16:12 ptx0 https://people.freebsd.org/~jhb/papers/bsdcan/2007/article/node8.html
2021-05-28 12:16:16 Hiryu the cursor on the console (via moused) seems around as slow. Maybe it's slower? It's certainly not faster
2021-05-28 12:16:24 Hiryu I don't know
2021-05-28 12:16:31 ptx0 in linux we can look at lspci -vvv output to see if msi is enabled
2021-05-28 12:16:56 Hiryu message something interrupts
2021-05-28 12:17:05 Hiryu I don't remember exactly what the acronym means
2021-05-28 12:17:34 Iambchop disable moused and try evdev in x?
2021-05-28 12:18:09 Hiryu Iambchop: that sounds promising
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2021-05-28 12:19:11 Hiryu seems it's already using that: "config/devd: EVDEV_SUPPORT is enabled, ignoring device ums2"
2021-05-28 12:20:58 aliss hey, how does one mount ext4 in freebsd?
2021-05-28 12:21:01 rennj ums i think replaced moused
2021-05-28 12:21:16 Hiryu I thought moused uses /dev/ums
2021-05-28 12:21:29 rennj in the rc.conf ums= i want to say
2021-05-28 12:22:07 Hiryu nothing about ums in /etc/defaults/rc.conf
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2021-05-28 12:24:44 rennj Alternatively, to load the driver as a module at boot time, place the following line in loader.conf(5): ums_load="YES"
2021-05-28 12:24:52 rennj man page
2021-05-28 12:25:03 rennj probably what i saw last week talked about
2021-05-28 12:25:31 aliss (solved already no need to help)
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2021-05-28 12:25:51 Hiryu kldstat shows the module as already being loaded
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2021-05-28 12:28:57 rennj tweak mouse speed with xset m fu i believe
2021-05-28 12:29:15 rennj To set mouse acceleration and threshold:
2021-05-28 12:29:15 rennj m [acc_mult[/acc_div] [thr]] m default
2021-05-28 12:29:32 Hiryu that won't affect the refresh rate
2021-05-28 12:31:51 rennj https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/nvidia-sluggish-system-jumpy-mouse.47940/
2021-05-28 12:31:57 rennj perhaps check the forums
2021-05-28 12:32:24 Hiryu from the link that sounds like what might be my problem
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2021-05-28 12:34:06 Hiryu oh it's in my history, I must've look at this at some point
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2021-05-28 13:37:06 RhodiumToad ums doesn't replace moused. also, iirc, ums is loaded on demand when a usb mouse is connected, without needing to be in rc.conf or loader.conf
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2021-05-28 14:12:31 @debdrup It's done by devd if a USB mouse is connected, yes.
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2021-05-28 14:34:04 Latrina hello
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2021-05-29 11:14:44 heitai hi
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2021-05-29 11:16:28 heitai how can i select the minimal font on 13.0 ? i have the fb on 1920x1080 but the font size seems 800x600 or less
2021-05-29 11:17:09 coolvibe You could up the DPI through xrdb or xsettings
2021-05-29 11:17:29 heitai on tty ?
2021-05-29 11:18:35 coolvibe Oh no, that's Xorg
2021-05-29 11:18:57 coolvibe You need stuff in loader.conf for that
2021-05-29 11:19:43 heitai xorg work correctly it's just uefi and tty boot prompt is too big
2021-05-29 11:20:36 heitai loader.conf can't change boot prompt ?
2021-05-29 11:20:47 coolvibe Can you do something with vidvontrol?
2021-05-29 11:20:48 heitai with logo
2021-05-29 11:21:02 coolvibe Gallant is the biggest font I think
2021-05-29 11:22:13 coolvibe allscreens_flags="-f gallant" in rc.conf might work to make the font bigger in the console
2021-05-29 11:22:45 heitai i try with vidcontrol but need change after all boot... and the boot prompt with logo seems 640x480 or 800x600
2021-05-29 11:23:40 heitai no i search to do less bigger font at the logo boot
2021-05-29 11:24:35 coolvibe The allscreens_flags gets passed to vidcontrol, maybe you could mess with that?
2021-05-29 11:25:09 coolvibe You can also set modes in there
2021-05-29 11:27:02 heitai could you give me the conf for write in my paper book for post install ?
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2021-05-29 11:29:15 coolvibe I guess you will have to experiment, every person's setting is different
2021-05-29 11:29:30 coolvibe Systems aren't uniform, alas
2021-05-29 11:31:14 heitai in my laptop on 12 i have uefi work fine in 1920x1080 and the asci logo too
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2021-05-29 11:32:20 heitai on debian i use 14x8
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2021-05-29 11:37:28 heitai 6x12
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2021-05-29 11:39:12 heitai how can config the boot prompt with logo and the tty in the same ?
2021-05-29 11:39:13 coolvibe So you are using efifb?
2021-05-29 11:39:54 heitai i don't know im on debian
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2021-05-29 11:40:14 heitai but certenly
2021-05-29 11:40:35 coolvibe Hm not too much experience with tweaking that
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2021-05-29 11:41:08 coolvibe I know you can set resolutions for efifb in loader.conf, but that's the extent of that
2021-05-29 11:41:38 heitai need recompile the kernel ?
2021-05-29 11:42:16 heitai i select gpt+uefi in boot were install
2021-05-29 11:43:18 heitai wose... ?
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2021-05-29 11:44:41 coolvibe I don't think you need to recompile anything
2021-05-29 11:45:05 heitai i think is a bug post install normaly we need select the font size
2021-05-29 11:45:47 heitai may be miss an option in install script
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2021-05-29 11:46:56 heitai the bitmap logo is funny but when is too much big is less funny
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2021-05-29 13:02:24 R2COM is it ok to specify BASEFS directory for poudriere builds to be say /mnt/download/poudriere isntead of /usr/local/poudriere?
2021-05-29 13:02:39 R2COM if /mnt/download is a directory mounted on Synology NAS ?
2021-05-29 13:03:28 R2COM and would it mean that all heavy (stuff occupying space, i.e. ports, jail etc) will reside on that directory?
2021-05-29 13:04:16 R2COM hm....the only thing is, that stuff is on network HDD which is not ZFS
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2021-05-29 13:12:13 Ltning Cya 'all on the other side...
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2021-05-29 13:14:53 R2COM uh...why there is no options description for "man poudriere" for ports?
2021-05-29 13:15:09 R2COM for example options like -p -m -M -F
2021-05-29 13:15:15 R2COM where is their description in man page???
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2021-05-29 13:21:02 R2COM darn it
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2021-05-29 13:42:11 kilitary where is my laundry pages, ehm
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2021-05-29 14:47:55 nimaje the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
2021-05-29 14:48:52 AppleGNU Loserbera
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2021-05-29 14:56:57 kilitary okay
2021-05-29 14:57:02 * kilitary sseeing topic
2021-05-29 14:57:15 kilitary hnubella
2021-05-29 14:57:23 kilitary gayberia
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2021-05-29 15:06:10 oxek kilitary: you're on there as well though
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2021-05-29 15:30:15 toniz4 hello, I'm having constants "crashes" with my raspberry pi running freebsd. I have external drive formatted in zfs working as a nfs share that i access in my gentoo machine. It appears that any time I try to write or read a significant amount of data, the whole os freezes or kernel panics, then i can't connect to it via ssh and it doesn't respond to pings. There is any way i can find the problem? I looked
2021-05-29 15:30:21 toniz4 at /var/crash and only have /var/crash/minfree there.
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2021-05-29 15:31:25 toniz4 I encountered the same problem yesterday when trying to import my pool, that have one drive. I'm encrypting it using geli too.
2021-05-29 15:32:11 Dark Damn I'm being dos
2021-05-29 15:33:51 toniz4 The other time that I encountered the same issue is when I was using syncthing to sync a folder with my phone, same thing. The ssh sessions that I had open becomes frozen (it doesn't close the connection, just freezes my terminal).
2021-05-29 15:34:53 Dark Can you upload your logs?
2021-05-29 15:34:56 Dark To pastern?
2021-05-29 15:34:59 Dark *pastebin
2021-05-29 15:35:20 Dark Maybe there we can find some type of hints
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2021-05-29 15:36:06 toniz4 Dark: where would be the logs? I'm a total newb to freebsd
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2021-05-29 15:40:11 @debdrup Do you have a swap partition? Otherwise, you're not going to get anything in /var/crash
2021-05-29 15:41:19 Dark Check in /var/log
2021-05-29 15:43:41 toniz4 debdrup: no i don't, the raspberry image doesn't make it by default
2021-05-29 15:43:48 toniz4 a swap file would work?
2021-05-29 15:44:29 Dark Nope a swap
2021-05-29 15:44:31 Dark Is a partition
2021-05-29 15:44:33 Dark Not a file
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2021-05-29 15:47:06 toniz4 Dark: here is my dmesg http://0x0.st/-2_H.today
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2021-05-29 15:47:59 Dark Let me see
2021-05-29 15:48:40 Dark da0: Attempt to query device size failed: NOT READY, Medium not present
2021-05-29 15:49:36 Dark And then after it fail to mount on da0 it when to da1 and It succeed it with the mounting
2021-05-29 15:49:56 Dark Type this sudo pkg install automount
2021-05-29 15:50:05 Dark And pkg install automounter
2021-05-29 15:50:09 Dark For auto mounting
2021-05-29 15:50:23 toniz4 Dark: my drive is at da1, i don't really know what is that da0
2021-05-29 15:50:40 Dark That drive before it was da1
2021-05-29 15:50:43 Dark :X
2021-05-29 15:50:47 toniz4 my drive "bay" has other inputs for a sdcards, maybe it is that?
2021-05-29 15:50:55 Dark da0: Serial Number 00000000000006
2021-05-29 15:51:10 Dark da1: <ST925082 7AS > Fixed Direct Access SCSI-2 device
2021-05-29 15:51:25 Dark da0: <Generic Storage Device 0.00> Removable Direct Access SCSI-2 device
2021-05-29 15:51:43 Dark Do you have one on two?
2021-05-29 15:52:41 toniz4 here is the output of gpart show http://0x0.st/-2_8.txt
2021-05-29 15:53:24 toniz4 Dark: one external hdd, and the sd card in the rpi, where the OS is installed
2021-05-29 15:53:31 Dark I see 2
2021-05-29 15:53:33 Dark One is fat32
2021-05-29 15:53:39 Dark And the other one is ups
2021-05-29 15:53:48 Dark ufs*
2021-05-29 15:54:08 @debdrup toniz4: it's a bad idea to back swap with a file, because in case of a crash (especially in the filesystem, though that's not too likely given that the code was started in 1982 and is still being maintained by its original maintainer today), the kernel can't write to a filesystem that's crashed.
2021-05-29 15:54:34 @debdrup Same reason it's a bad idea to back swap with a zvol, or anything other than a plain disk.
2021-05-29 15:55:00 @debdrup If a swap partition isn't available, it might be worth seeing if the NIC can do netdump(4).
2021-05-29 15:56:09 toniz4 debdrup: And if I just take a usb drive laying around and make it into a swap partition? That would work?
2021-05-29 15:58:11 @debdrup toniz4: it should, yeah.
2021-05-29 15:58:34 @debdrup So long as it's properly partitioned as a FreeBSD swap partition, and not as a filesystem, it's fine.
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2021-05-29 16:00:54 toniz4 debdrup: gonna do that then, thanks for the help!
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2021-05-29 16:05:29 toniz4 debdrup: the output of swapinfo looks good? http://0x0.st/-2_Z.txt
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2021-05-29 16:34:45 @debdrup toniz4: assuming it's a swap partition, which you can check with gpart show da2 :)
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2021-05-29 16:56:31 toniz4 debdrup: then everything it's fine, if the issue comes up again I will seek help here, thanks again
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2021-05-29 17:49:11 Dark Omg why are the mirrors so slow
2021-05-29 17:50:52 AndrewBC are you sure it isn't your DNS setup timing out occasionally/always?
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2021-05-29 18:04:38 Dark I am pinging and is working...
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2021-05-29 18:12:17 bsdbandit has anyone had success with using windows 10 guest under behyve
2021-05-29 18:12:17 bsdbandit >?
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2021-05-29 18:26:33 blauskaerm A beginner question. How does freebsd expose process information? Linux has /proc but how does it work in freebsd?
2021-05-29 18:26:59 kilitary like pipes in windows
2021-05-29 18:27:06 * kilitary skinheads skinheds
2021-05-29 18:27:16 V_PauAmma_V See topic for current IRC network.
2021-05-29 18:28:01 @AllanJude blauskaerm: what information are you after?
2021-05-29 18:28:04 @AllanJude procstat has most of it
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2021-05-29 18:28:23 blauskaerm I just want to know how it works
2021-05-29 18:29:39 blauskaerm htop in linux reads from /proc more or less but I dont understand how i works in freebsd
2021-05-29 18:30:35 blauskaerm I havent used freebsd that much. Only have one Rpi running it and I have a /proc directory but its empty
2021-05-29 18:31:19 kilitary you need linuxproc
2021-05-29 18:31:19 blauskaerm So just a question of interrest
2021-05-29 18:31:22 RhodiumToad freebsd's /proc is optional and there's a policy (due to past security issues) that base system features must not depend on /proc
2021-05-29 18:31:45 kilitary add these two lines to /etc/fstab
2021-05-29 18:31:46 kilitary linprocfs /compat/linux/proc linprocfs rw 0 0
2021-05-29 18:31:46 kilitary linsysfs /compat/linux/sys linsysfs rw 0 0
2021-05-29 18:31:52 kilitary and do mount -a
2021-05-29 18:31:53 RhodiumToad most programs that look at process data get it via sysctl
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2021-05-29 18:32:14 RhodiumToad usually via interfaces like kinfo_getproc
2021-05-29 18:32:14 kilitary and before all that install linux_base-c7-7.9.2009
2021-05-29 18:32:17 kilitary via pkg
2021-05-29 18:32:26 RhodiumToad no, don't
2021-05-29 18:32:58 blauskaerm So programs in userspace has a API to the kernel when they want to access process information or other kernel related information?
2021-05-29 18:33:25 kilitary every os has its own layer
2021-05-29 18:33:31 blauskaerm RhodiumToad: Was writing my question before reading your answer
2021-05-29 18:33:51 RhodiumToad there's a bunch of kinfo_* functions in libutil
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2021-05-29 18:35:52 blauskaerm RhodiumToad: Looks like a beginning. Will look at it
2021-05-29 18:36:02 blauskaerm Thanks for your time
2021-05-29 18:36:11 @AllanJude blauskaerm: yeah, there is a sysctl tree, and some libutil functions
2021-05-29 18:36:19 RhodiumToad and see the topic
2021-05-29 18:36:21 @AllanJude if you just want stuff from the command line, procstat is very useful
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2021-05-29 18:39:22 blauskaerm RhodiumToad: Sorry, dont really get "and see the topic". Are you only accepting certain kind of question or are you moving to libera?
2021-05-29 18:39:49 bsdbandit cargo does not work well on freebsd
2021-05-29 18:40:05 RhodiumToad the channel is moving (or practically speaking, already moved)
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2021-05-29 18:40:23 bsdbandit where is it moving to
2021-05-29 18:40:34 bsdbandit since freenode has been bought
2021-05-29 18:40:37 RhodiumToad irc.libera.chat, see the link in the topic
2021-05-29 18:40:56 bsdbandit gotcha
2021-05-29 18:40:59 bsdbandit thanks
2021-05-29 18:40:59 @debdrup kilitary: if you're intentionally giving bad advice, you need to stop it.
2021-05-29 18:41:37 blauskaerm RhodiumToad: Understood
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2021-05-29 23:09:05 Skynet So I want to install ffmpeg in a jail, but I need the --enable-libfdk_aac option for it. How would I best go about it with the pkg manager?
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2021-05-29 23:12:10 nesta install from ports
2021-05-29 23:12:18 nesta see if its in the build options
2021-05-29 23:12:36 nesta shit, it might even be in the one built for pkg. who knows
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2021-05-29 23:35:41 pwnmonkey_ bye freenode!
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2021-05-29 23:37:11 nesta lol
2021-05-29 23:37:18 nesta so lame
2021-05-29 23:37:35 AppleGNU hello freenode! You are my forever home!
2021-05-29 23:38:59 nesta <3
2021-05-29 23:52:51 R2COM hm so I created a jail, setup a poudriere, defined which package I wanna build, created a pubkey, setup the FreeBSD.conf file to include new repository with file:// pointing to new packages folder
2021-05-29 23:52:54 R2COM all built OK
2021-05-29 23:53:10 R2COM and after "pkg update -f" both FreeBSD and custom repository showed OK update
2021-05-29 23:53:16 R2COM however...
2021-05-29 23:53:26 R2COM now trying to install some package which I built (it is scons)
2021-05-29 23:53:41 R2COM and it says, 'scons' have not been found in repositories
2021-05-29 23:53:46 R2COM but how come...if i built it?
2021-05-29 23:57:42 R2COM i do see file "scons-py37-3.1.2.txz' in "/usr/local/poudriere/data/packages/jail1-default/All"
2021-05-29 23:57:53 R2COM but how come its not fetched for install when I do "pkg install scons"
2021-05-29 23:57:54 R2COM ?
2021-05-29 23:57:57 R2COM what am I missiung
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2021-05-30 00:00:25 R2COM hm maybe i should use full name
2021-05-30 00:01:33 R2COM ok installed
2021-05-30 00:01:35 R2COM heh
2021-05-30 00:01:36 R2COM wow
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2021-05-30 06:37:58 GrahamPerrin[m] R2COM:
2021-05-30 06:38:28 GrahamPerrin[m] FreshPorts was recently improved for cases such as this. See for example https://www.freshports.org/devel/scons/#add
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2021-05-30 09:11:31 -- Topic for #freebsd is "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-05-30 09:11:31 -- Topic set by Savagedlight (mhka@freebsd/contributor/Savagedlight) on Thu, 27 May 2021 18:21:08
2021-05-30 09:11:31 -- Channel #freebsd: 482 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 480 normals)
2021-05-30 09:11:31 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): Please check handbook and manual pages first at https://freebsd.org/handbook and https://man.freebsd.org | Always use a pastebin, either https://bsd.to or https://termbin.com
2021-05-30 09:11:42 -- Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-05-30 09:20:37 Skynet Guys, I'm trying to compile ffmpeg and I need the rav1e pkg dependency. My jail has 0.4.1 installed, the linker needs 0.4.0 or newer, but it thinks it only has 0.3.4
2021-05-30 09:20:43 Skynet How do I fix this?
2021-05-30 09:24:20 oxek Skynet: see /topic
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2021-05-30 10:03:30 Skynet oxek: I'm well aware. Until this channel fully clears out, I will inhabit both.
2021-05-30 10:03:56 oxek you can inhabit this channel, but you're much less likely to get any meaningful answers in here
2021-05-30 10:04:11 oxek I too am in here just to experience that CLEAR USERS, it is a sight to behold
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2021-05-30 12:00:11 heitai hello
2021-05-30 12:00:38 heitai can't start gnome-session, no screen found
2021-05-30 12:03:02 heitai i'm with nvidia card on dell precision7510 and use the latest driver, i complet the xorg.d/20-video.conf but no screen found
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2021-05-30 12:05:12 heitai xinit: unable to connect to X server: Connection refused
2021-05-30 12:06:22 heitai kldload nvidia.ko and the first tty say me module load correctly
2021-05-30 12:06:30 oxek heitai: see /topic
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2021-05-30 12:11:19 V_PauAmma_V 26
2021-05-30 12:14:53 @AllanJude I use `find ... -print0 | xargs -0` so much
2021-05-30 12:15:05 @AllanJude sometimes with -P #
2021-05-30 12:15:10 @AllanJude to run multiple at a time
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2021-05-30 12:58:01 @debdrup AllanJude: You can skip -print0 and do -exec <command> [argument] {} + with the "{} +" being what functions like xargs
2021-05-30 12:58:43 oxek +1
2021-05-30 12:58:44 @AllanJude sure, but xargs is generally better, and with the -P you can do something like
2021-05-30 12:58:51 oxek there's rarely a need to ever use xargs if you're using find
2021-05-30 12:59:13 @debdrup I've not quite managed to find out what that magic intonation is meant to signify, just that it's documented in the find(1) manual page and works with BSD grep.
2021-05-30 12:59:16 @AllanJude find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 -n 128 -P 4 <command>
2021-05-30 12:59:37 @AllanJude and run 4 of the command at once, on 128 files at a time
2021-05-30 12:59:37 @AllanJude etc
2021-05-30 12:59:41 @debdrup Agreed, -P can be useful if you're looking through a BIG collection of files.
2021-05-30 12:59:49 @AllanJude and, never -exec rm
2021-05-30 12:59:52 @AllanJude use -delete
2021-05-30 12:59:53 @AllanJude it is better
2021-05-30 13:00:15 @AllanJude although if you do need to use rm, like if your search is non-empty directories
2021-05-30 13:00:28 @AllanJude using xargs -n ## rm -r
2021-05-30 13:00:37 @AllanJude will be more efficient, since you'd only invoke 1 rm per ## files
2021-05-30 13:00:40 @AllanJude instead of 1 per
2021-05-30 13:00:57 @debdrup What's the maximum number of files that rm takes?
2021-05-30 13:01:02 @debdrup I always forget that :/
2021-05-30 13:01:06 oxek debdrup: depends on shell
2021-05-30 13:01:17 @debdrup I'm using tcsh.
2021-05-30 13:01:40 oxek `ulimit` should tell you various things
2021-05-30 13:02:10 @debdrup Do you mean limits(1)? :)
2021-05-30 13:02:28 oxek :)
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2021-05-30 13:05:46 R2COM is it generally good or bad idea to have stuff installed via "pip install" ?
2021-05-30 13:05:52 R2COM if one has python installed?
2021-05-30 13:06:06 R2COM or is it better to have programs installed independently?
2021-05-30 13:06:25 R2COM anything installed with pip becomes out of crontrol of FreeBSD's pkg right?
2021-05-30 13:06:29 R2COM so bad idea then?
2021-05-30 13:06:33 oxek if you're using pip in a virtual environment, it is fine
2021-05-30 13:06:45 @debdrup I would always go for packages if they're available because pip has (historically) had a hard time cleanly uninstalling things.
2021-05-30 13:06:48 R2COM how to make sure that I am using pip in virtual environment?
2021-05-30 13:06:56 R2COM i mean...all I did is just installed pip thats it
2021-05-30 13:07:12 oxek look up python venv
2021-05-30 13:07:18 R2COM debdrup ok thanks, thats the response i was looking for..
2021-05-30 13:07:22 R2COM so no pip stuff then
2021-05-30 13:07:38 R2COM im having hard time now tryint to compile scons....
2021-05-30 13:07:42 R2COM with latest version
2021-05-30 13:07:53 R2COM im amazed how come nobody made quality default package from it by default
2021-05-30 13:08:00 R2COM i mean its a needed stuff
2021-05-30 13:08:04 R2COM just like cmake or anything else
2021-05-30 13:08:06 R2COM uhh
2021-05-30 13:08:08 @debdrup Python virtual environments never strike me as very useful, given the limited isolation that can be achieved using processes that have the same privilege.
2021-05-30 13:08:26 oxek debdrup: it's not a security thing, it's a "don't mess with the system" thing
2021-05-30 13:08:52 R2COM but if something installed with proper pkg it cant mess with system or am i wrong
2021-05-30 13:09:38 @debdrup R2COM: can I ask you to please avoid stream-of-conciousness typing, ie. where you press the enter button as a form of punctionation to whatever you're thinking in the moment as you're typing it out? It's not really very pleasent to follow, and it gets incredibly frustrating when there's even the slightest other conversation going on.
2021-05-30 13:09:58 @debdrup oxek: but isn't that that point of a package manager to begin with?
2021-05-30 13:10:46 oxek debdrup: you're right. The issue is that both freebsd and python package manager (pip) can/will conflict with each other, if python virtual environments are not in use.
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2021-05-30 13:12:01 oxek that's why every language specific package manager has some virtual environment support
2021-05-30 13:12:02 @debdrup I have to say though, it's extremely uncommon to come across something in python that _isn't_ in ports.
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2021-05-30 13:16:07 heitai paste.debian.net/1199415 <-- i don't know why, some bug i think, on 12 work correctly
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2021-05-30 13:18:27 @debdrup heitai: it'd be helpful if you include https:// on URIs, as that's what a lot of terminal emulators and regular expressions are configured to look for.
2021-05-30 13:19:10 @debdrup Also, that really doesn't look like the full log file.. Could you try "cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | nc termbin.com 9999" ?
2021-05-30 13:23:14 heitai my mouse don't want down i tty at the last ligne
2021-05-30 13:23:15 heitai i have buggy logo of freebsd in the up of tty
2021-05-30 13:25:00 R2COM debdrup scons is in ports but I am having hard time now building it...
2021-05-30 13:26:15 R2COM just because it in ports doesnt mean problem solved, it might be (or in this case it IS) an obsolete port of version 3.1.2, and the latest version is 4.1.0, and it turns out that its not just about changing version, tons of errors popping out..... so at this moment I am not sure what would be best to do...
2021-05-30 13:27:14 heitai i pass to RELEASE 12
2021-05-30 13:27:31 heitai need computer for work
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2021-05-30 13:34:12 heitai any else you help me to debug no way in 13 at this time
2021-05-30 13:35:24 oxek heitai: try the other channel
2021-05-30 13:35:54 heitai oxek: why ?
2021-05-30 13:36:17 heitai is the most channel for freebsd
2021-05-30 13:36:26 oxek heitai: read /topic
2021-05-30 13:36:46 oxek there is barely anyone active in here anymore
2021-05-30 13:37:29 heitai no screen found it's a problem of export display, but i don't how to
2021-05-30 13:37:46 R2COM let's say I am trying to build port in my system ports directory by running make, and in the middle I see some stuff like "this file needs to be copied over to other folder within work folder etc", and after I do all that make finally succeds and builds package; now, how do I transfer those little custom actions I did into the poudriere? I do know that to automate it with poudriere I must
2021-05-30 13:37:46 R2COM just copy that ports branch into the poudriere ports branch, but how do I implement those little tweaks there?
2021-05-30 13:38:18 heitai in cli is difficulte to read correctly the handbook
2021-05-30 13:40:48 heitai some tty bug... logo no ask and default tty too much big
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2021-05-30 13:41:20 heitai i'd like help to debug, but help to do
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2021-05-30 13:42:22 sysctl slid71822
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2021-05-30 13:53:51 heitai pass to current ? recompile the world and test if ?
2021-05-30 13:54:21 heitai debdrup: oxek: ??
2021-05-30 13:54:47 heitai help please... the rtfm have there limit
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2021-05-30 13:59:54 oxek heitai: did you read /topic ?
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2021-05-30 14:03:03 heitai yes but the handbook is not easy to read in tty
2021-05-30 14:03:18 heitai can i pass to stable version ?
2021-05-30 14:03:32 heitai for help ?
2021-05-30 14:03:51 heitai or current ?
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2021-05-30 14:04:40 heitai i know some litle the difference but... i don't know were the best choice
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2021-05-30 14:05:34 oxek heitai: if you can't read the webpage, then the advice is to connect your IRC client to irc.libera.chat and go to the channel #freebsd there, it is a much more active channel than this one
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2021-05-30 15:05:18 LunarAgent LunarIRC (irc.lunarirc.net) - the friendliest IRC network around! We welcome retro hobbyists, devs and *nix wizards. Drop by, feel at home, create and re-create channels and enjoy your stay! LunarAgent, over and out.
2021-05-30 15:05:32 vdamewood Very prolific.
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2021-05-30 15:06:23 LunarAgent that's Mr Prolific ;)
2021-05-30 15:07:42 nesta lmao
2021-05-30 15:07:44 nesta wut
2021-05-30 15:08:03 LunarAgent are you actually a freebsd user vdamewood?
2021-05-30 15:08:30 vdamewood LunarAgent: Yes.
2021-05-30 15:08:38 LunarAgent alright.. how's that coming along?
2021-05-30 15:08:46 vdamewood It works.
2021-05-30 15:08:50 LunarAgent i mean, i've heard bsd is losing to linux kind of
2021-05-30 15:09:24 LunarAgent as both server and desktop OS
2021-05-30 15:11:06 vdamewood I don't really know how to respond to that because I don't keep track of how many people are using which OS.
2021-05-30 15:11:21 LunarAgent i see
2021-05-30 15:20:58 nesta dont feed the trolls plz
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2021-05-30 17:19:43 heitai hi
2021-05-30 17:20:40 heitai seems my problem for X come to udev and more one screen can selected
2021-05-30 17:21:02 heitai i'm on 13/stable
2021-05-30 17:22:33 heitai can't arrive to select vgarom-8x14.fnt at the boot prompt, please help me for that too
2021-05-30 17:22:51 heitai need vidcontrol at the each boot
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2021-05-30 22:50:21 heitai finaly i install the 12.2 and work out off box with my know configuration
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2021-05-30 22:51:42 heitai now i have my coding machine and for VM test
2021-05-30 22:51:57 heitai see you soon
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2021-05-30 23:07:35 sixpiece hello my sound stopped working not sure why
2021-05-30 23:07:40 sixpiece what can I do ?
2021-05-30 23:07:52 sixpiece I think it's configured correctly it's just muted
2021-05-30 23:08:02 sixpiece I typed mixer and everything went to 100
2021-05-30 23:08:17 RhodiumToad how are you testing it?
2021-05-30 23:08:46 RhodiumToad btw, see the channel topic for where we have moved to
2021-05-30 23:10:03 sixpiece ok
2021-05-30 23:10:13 sixpiece can you help me make it work again?
2021-05-30 23:10:17 sixpiece please
2021-05-30 23:10:19 RhodiumToad I can try
2021-05-30 23:10:33 sixpiece ok so what should I do?
2021-05-30 23:10:47 sixpiece thanks
2021-05-30 23:10:54 RhodiumToad what are you using to play sounds, that isn't working?
2021-05-30 23:11:03 RhodiumToad also what hardware is this
2021-05-30 23:11:06 sixpiece youtube website
2021-05-30 23:11:12 sixpiece it's vmware
2021-05-30 23:11:59 sixpiece it's working
2021-05-30 23:12:01 sixpiece thanks
2021-05-30 23:12:05 sixpiece it wasn't connect
2021-05-30 23:12:07 sixpiece thanks
2021-05-30 23:12:09 sixpiece sorry
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2021-05-30 23:13:32 sixpiece thank you RhodiumToad , later
2021-05-30 23:14:50 sixpiece sorry didn't realize it was a foolish error like that
2021-05-30 23:14:56 sixpiece good night
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2021-05-31 11:03:37 gh00p Hi folks. I'm having a kld problem I think. I have kldloaded ipfw, but when I `ipfw add nat 111 all from any to any`, I get an error, "ipfw: getsockopt(IP_FW_XADD): Invalid argument". What am I missing?
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2021-05-31 11:06:35 V_PauAmma_V See /topic for a better place to ask.
2021-05-31 11:07:19 zi gh00p: check kldstat
2021-05-31 11:07:40 gh00p V_PauAmma_V, I have asked there too, but the chat is fast and about other topics. I don't want to repeat myself too often.
2021-05-31 11:07:46 zi but sysrc firewall_enable="YES";service firewall start will do
2021-05-31 11:07:57 gh00p zi, kldstat tells me that ipfw is loaded, but is there another kld required for in-kernel NAT?
2021-05-31 11:08:21 zi ipfw_nat
2021-05-31 11:08:30 gh00p I already have a number of rules running properly, it is just nat. AH. I will try that, thanks.
2021-05-31 11:08:48 zi sysrc firewall_nat_enable="YES"
2021-05-31 11:09:00 zi put those in rc.conf and let the rc scripts handle the rest
2021-05-31 11:09:15 zi er and it's 'service ipfw start'
2021-05-31 11:09:18 zi a(not firewall)
2021-05-31 11:09:54 gh00p zi, ipfw_nat64 was the solution. Thank you.
2021-05-31 11:10:11 zi sysrc firewall_nat64_enable="YES"
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2021-05-31 11:14:47 gh00p zi, I have a number of rules that I add to the standard set using a custom rc.d script. I have been doing this for years, and it still works, but is there a better way? The rules I add are things like bogon filtering, reverse NAT for certain services to private addresses, and fwd rules based on source addresses.
2021-05-31 11:15:43 zi cp /etc/rc.firewall /etc/rc.firewall.mine; sysrc firewall_script="/etc/rc.firewall.mine"
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2021-05-31 11:17:31 gh00p zi, that will *replace* things, so that I am no longer using the rules in /etc/rc.firewall. Is that best? My current rules are in addition to the "open" firewall rules.
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2021-05-31 11:20:42 zi i mean, having a single, unified ruleset probably makes more sense than anything
2021-05-31 11:23:46 zi so yea custom script > loading open and then making an rc script for more rules
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2021-05-31 12:37:45 barthandelous So, I just finished my first FreeBSD install (Yay!), which I did without internet. I tried to set up the ethernet interface with a static IP (even though it wasn't plugged in), but now that the ethernet *is* plugged in, and the system has been rebooted, it doesn't show up on the network. Unfortunately, I can't have both a monitor and ethernet plugged in at the same time (space constraints), so I
2021-05-31 12:37:46 barthandelous really need to be able to SSH into this system. Any ideas what's going wrong?
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2021-05-31 12:44:18 oxek barthandelous: read /topic
2021-05-31 12:47:29 nesta lol
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2021-05-31 16:17:03 oxek when is this channel closing?
2021-05-31 16:20:14 nesta never!
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2021-05-31 16:32:57 oxek hopefully soon, the people who are unaware of the situation and just idling are missing out on the good stuff going on in the official channel
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2021-05-31 16:40:09 r2com so I am trying to compile a port "arm-none-eabi-gdb" in 13.0, and when I navigate to /usr/ports/devel there is no folder "arm-none-eabi-gdb", however when i search, it says port is there but expired
2021-05-31 16:40:18 r2com how do I get and compile that port then?
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2021-05-31 16:42:51 r2com "make search name=arm-none-eabi-gdb" command says it is in ../devel but I do not see that port there, what is going on?
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2021-05-31 16:46:26 oxek r2com: read /topic
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2021-05-31 16:46:48 nesta smh
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2021-05-31 16:47:14 -- ChanServ has changed topic for #freebsd from "20210524 - Update #3 on FreeBSD IRC re freenode situation: https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC" to "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
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2021-05-31 16:47:26 Aaron lol
2021-05-31 16:47:56 Aaron to the ircop who just change the topic
2021-05-31 16:47:56 Aaron ;X
2021-05-31 16:47:57 oxek ChanServ is like "No you don't!"
2021-05-31 16:52:13 nesta so lame lol
2021-05-31 16:52:31 fireglow dang, I've just missed it :(
2021-05-31 16:52:49 nesta just help the people that are here for help. jeez
2021-05-31 16:54:15 bagira probly just a netsplit, i saw a few channels have older topics that chanserv reversed
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2021-05-31 16:59:31 oxek isn't it because this channel is KEEPTOPIC TOPICLOCK
2021-05-31 16:59:56 Aaron blame it on the juice
2021-05-31 16:59:57 Aaron ;X
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2021-05-31 17:00:45 oxek oh I see what you mean, things happened in other channels too
2021-05-31 17:01:10 Aaron he's saying before the netsplit
2021-05-31 17:01:13 Aaron and after the netsplit ;X
2021-05-31 17:01:21 Aaron what happens with the services
2021-05-31 17:01:42 Aaron behind the scenes
2021-05-31 17:02:18 oxek they fight to the death
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2021-05-31 17:02:32 oxek usually the older timestamp wins
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2021-05-31 21:15:43 r2com i am confused, for vim i gotta have two vimrc files both in /usr/local/etc/vim/vimrc and also in ~/.vim/vimrc ?
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2021-05-31 21:24:25 Aaron r2com, remember this
2021-05-31 21:24:56 Aaron when you are dealing with /usr/local/etc it means it has root privileges and ~/vim/ is your home
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2021-05-31 21:25:16 Aaron that's for protecting not only your root environment but is something where you do not want to copy...
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2021-05-31 21:29:15 r2com oh nvm
2021-05-31 21:29:17 Iambchop r2com: from the vim ":help initialization": "set the default settings and mappings for all your edit sessions [in ~ .vimrc]" and "[etc vimrc] only applies if you are managing a Unix system with several users and want to set the defaults for all users"
2021-05-31 21:29:30 Sevenhill Hello everyone
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2021-05-31 21:30:01 r2com hm i guess its more clean to have config for everything in ~/.config right?
2021-05-31 21:30:28 Aaron yes r2com
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2021-05-31 21:30:38 Aaron better to have them local
2021-05-31 21:30:41 Aaron in your home
2021-05-31 21:30:42 r2com but then why is vim not compatible and tries to create ~/.vim ?
2021-05-31 21:30:44 Aaron instead of your /root
2021-05-31 21:30:55 Aaron because you are using it as a normal USER
2021-05-31 21:30:56 Aaron ;X
2021-05-31 21:31:09 Aaron that's why and the directory does not exist
2021-05-31 21:31:14 r2com if I put my .vim inside .config, would that work?
2021-05-31 21:31:52 Aaron yes
2021-05-31 21:31:53 Aaron ;X
2021-05-31 21:32:02 Aaron try it and see
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2021-05-31 21:32:29 Sevenhill i have 0 knowledge or experience on bsd , it might be a newbie question for you but i need a little help , have you ever used cmake and opengl on bsd ?
2021-05-31 21:33:38 r2com well gues what it doesnt work... so vim does not follow proper unix rules then? should all apps have configs inside .config/.APPNAME?
2021-05-31 21:34:21 Iambchop r2com: try .config/APPNAME (one dot not two)
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2021-05-31 21:35:13 r2com does not work either
2021-05-31 21:35:37 r2com what works is: /usr/local/etc/vim/vimrc or ~/.vim/vimrc
2021-05-31 21:37:06 r2com I'll just leave it in /usr/local/etc/vim/vimrc so that all users have same config, also I dont want my home folder to be garbaged with configs... darn... aps must use .config!
2021-05-31 21:37:42 Iambchop ideally all apps would support .config, but not all do
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2021-05-31 21:38:03 Iambchop Sevenhill: what are you trying to compile?
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2021-05-31 21:40:04 Sevenhill on kde project we are trying to improve our cmakelists.txt with new syntax and used find_package(OpenGL) so it normally finds EGL, GLX, and OpenGL
2021-05-31 21:40:14 Sevenhill but whenever it comes to link it gives error like : Target "corebindingsplugin" links to target "OpenGL::EGL" but the target was not found. Perhaps a find_package() call is missing for an IMPORTED target, or an ALIAS target is missing
2021-05-31 21:40:20 Sevenhill isnt find_package(OpenGL) is enough for OpenGL::EGL ? for bsd ?
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2021-05-31 21:44:56 Iambchop Sevenhill: what version of cmake do you have on bsd? "New in version 3.10... COMPONENTS: EGL, GLX, and OpenGL" https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FindOpenGL.html
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2021-05-31 21:46:13 Sevenhill this is the log of failure : https://build.kde.org/view/Failing/job/Frameworks/job/plasma-framework/job/kf5-qt5%20FreeBSDQt5.15/465/console , we are porting it from 3.5 to 3,16
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2021-05-31 21:55:59 Iambchop hmm... https://cmake.org/cmake/help/latest/module/FindOpenGL.html#linux-specific
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2021-05-31 22:00:27 Iambchop does your freebsd have graphics/libglvnd installed?
2021-05-31 22:02:16 Sevenhill i dont have bsd this is ci machine and to be honest i dont have information what it has or not , but from its cmake logs it says OpenGL, The OpenGL libraries found
2021-05-31 22:02:41 Sevenhill it looks like today i need to download freebsd and try to compile kde over it
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2021-05-31 22:05:38 Sevenhill btw i fixed its windows compile problem
2021-05-31 22:05:52 Sevenhill just bsd if problem now
2021-05-31 22:08:02 Sevenhill i will try to find a solutin and if we couldnt find until end of 2nd of june we just revert half of this mr ( i mean keeping 3.16 part but reverting gl parts to legacy for the sakke of bsd :( )
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2021-05-31 22:20:54 w0ls0n Hi guys. I have been using FreeBSD for several decades and I just decided to try emby server. I have it setup and it sees all my content but when I try to play something the emby server crashes. All I see in /var/log/messages is May 31 21:50:04 turtle kernel: pid 955 (mono-sgen), jid 0, uid 989: exited on signal 6
2021-05-31 22:21:19 w0ls0n google is weak on that search
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2021-05-31 22:29:04 w0ls0n and is the latest version of portsnap corrupt? I keep getting the message snapshot corrupt when running portsnap fetch. I have also tried to remove all content of /var/db/portsnap to no avail
2021-05-31 22:30:11 Aaron w0ls0n, I love emby
2021-05-31 22:30:15 Aaron I always use it
2021-05-31 22:31:01 Aaron pastebin the files some where
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2021-05-31 22:31:56 koobs w0ls0n: hey mate. note the topic as well. our official/primary IRC presence is no longer freenode
2021-05-31 22:32:21 w0ls0n oh yea that's right
2021-05-31 22:32:26 koobs w0ls0n: re corruption, try removing ports and re do fetch/extract
2021-05-31 22:32:31 w0ls0n pastebin what files
2021-05-31 22:33:30 Aaron don't know any more ;)
2021-05-31 22:33:34 Aaron read what koobs says
2021-05-31 22:33:43 Aaron don't listen to me
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2021-05-31 22:38:25 w0ls0n nope still didn't work
2021-05-31 22:38:28 w0ls0n Verifying snapshot integrity... gunzip: invalid compressed data--crc erro
2021-05-31 22:38:43 w0ls0n snapshot corrupt.
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2021-05-31 22:48:53 w0ls0n I give up for now
2021-05-31 22:48:58 w0ls0n I will try tomorrow
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2021-06-01 03:28:57 abmrk bonjour je voudrais avoir des informations sur la différence qui existe entre les architectures amd64 et powerpc64 svp
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2021-06-01 06:07:39 koobs abmrk: s'il vous plaît voir le canal /topic - notre réseau irc principal et officiel est maintenant libera.chat
2021-06-01 06:07:43 koobs :D
2021-06-01 06:08:23 koobs abmrk: nous avons aussi une chaîne en français sur libera.chat #freebsd-fr
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2021-06-01 06:45:42 Chojin o/
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2021-06-01 19:11:08 Dark This is too funny ;X
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2021-06-01 19:14:36 nesta the most important thing is that you go to the new network, this is absolutely vital!!!!
2021-06-01 19:14:52 nesta helping people no longer matters!!!
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2021-06-01 19:15:29 Dark People we're saying that others were treating them like crap
2021-06-01 19:15:41 Dark All this French coders are liers and hate America ;X
2021-06-01 19:17:04 Dark I'm uploading every log ;X
2021-06-01 19:17:19 nesta i dont think anyone cares :D
2021-06-01 19:17:20 oxek nesta: this channel will get closed eventually, hopefully sooner than later, before the freenode admins do it themselves
2021-06-01 19:17:37 nesta oxek: i don't thionk it will get closed at all
2021-06-01 19:17:50 nesta and if it does it will just be reopened
2021-06-01 19:17:58 Dark Not only they gline me in libera
2021-06-01 19:18:15 oxek it could only get reopened by someone from the freebsd project asking it to be reopened
2021-06-01 19:18:15 Dark Now they close down my ubuntu.com because of some stupid drama
2021-06-01 19:18:19 Dark And lies of team players
2021-06-01 19:18:51 Dark Saying I was treating them like crap eventually they we're spamming so bad
2021-06-01 19:19:11 Dark And now more lies ;X this is funny is good to be a fed ;X
2021-06-01 19:19:15 Dark And work for them <3
2021-06-01 19:19:33 nesta oxek: thats incorrect
2021-06-01 19:19:38 Dark Now the fun begins with project managers ;X
2021-06-01 19:19:53 Dark Getting them search one by one thank you freenode and libera ;X
2021-06-01 19:19:57 nesta Dark: no one knows nor cares what you are blogging about
2021-06-01 19:20:02 nesta just fyi
2021-06-01 19:20:13 Dark Lol I know ;)
2021-06-01 19:20:15 Dark Is all good
2021-06-01 19:20:20 oxek nesta: how so?
2021-06-01 19:20:30 nesta oxek: wait and see
2021-06-01 19:20:53 koobs nesta: please dont antagonise
2021-06-01 19:21:20 Dark And all logs for years we're keep (:
2021-06-01 19:21:27 Dark Kept ::X
2021-06-01 19:21:35 oxek you should have a data retention policy on that
2021-06-01 19:21:42 nesta inscribe it on a stone tablet bro
2021-06-01 19:21:52 nesta koobs: OK
2021-06-01 19:22:10 Dark When people from teams are saying they felt threaten by me all I try to do is get involved with the bridging part
2021-06-01 19:22:20 Dark From a community to the other one ;)
2021-06-01 19:22:43 Dark With my limnoria skills not only I was a contributor for years now this French moron said He felt threaten by me
2021-06-01 19:22:45 Dark ;X
2021-06-01 19:23:01 koobs Dark: OT in #freebsd-social please
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2021-06-01 20:39:32 -- Topic for #freebsd is "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-06-01 20:39:32 -- Topic set by Savagedlight on Thu, 27 May 2021 18:21:07
2021-06-01 20:39:32 -- Channel #freebsd: 424 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 422 normals)
2021-06-01 20:39:32 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): see https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC for official information
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2021-06-01 22:32:14 DarwinElf if anyone has used GNU/Linux, what would be the equivalent of 'netstat -tulpen' on FreeBSD?
2021-06-01 22:35:43 DarwinElf oops, I'll go to the other network...
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2021-06-02 07:20:23 TheAvatar I am trying to freebsd-update a 10.4-RELEASE server, but the update server no longer host required files. I get this error when running freebsd-update. Is there a way to move past this error: http://update1.freebsd.org/10.4-RELEASE/i386/m/fdf91b660fabb857cfe9e8528a314093fdca239c9a805505e1bde4d58a7b0498.gz: 404 Error (ignored)
2021-06-02 07:20:50 TheAvatar I was thinking an alternate mirror or something like that, just so I can get it up to something current
2021-06-02 07:23:35 nimaje the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
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2021-06-02 07:25:31 TheAvatar I saw, but figured the amount of users here still, might be sufficient for an answer, thanks though
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2021-06-02 08:13:24 @AllanJude TheAvatar: which command are you running? as it looks like it is trying to just update 10.4 to the latest -pXX
2021-06-02 08:13:25 oxek TheAvatar: it's only zombies here
2021-06-02 08:13:44 @AllanJude whereas if you add the right flags, it should be able to upgrade you to 12.2 or 13.0 without needing those files that are not hosted anymore
2021-06-02 08:14:07 @AllanJude 10.4 went out of support October 31, 2018
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2021-06-02 08:57:35 TheAvatar AllanJude, I did freebsd-update upgrade -r 11.4-RELEASE
2021-06-02 08:58:25 @AllanJude didn't think that would require files from the 10.4 stuff
2021-06-02 08:58:43 TheAvatar neither did I :)
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2021-06-02 10:37:19 zi i think it still does need them as those files as they're used for comparison
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2021-06-02 10:39:32 zi s/ as they're/ are/
2021-06-02 10:39:33 zi wow
2021-06-02 10:39:33 zi hehe
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2021-06-02 11:54:14 @AllanJude yeah, but I thought it could fall back to just fetching the new files, rather than the binary diffs
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2021-06-02 15:57:49 farhan I'm running into a situation where my RDR/NAT to my jails is not working.
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2021-06-03 00:02:57 farhan I am having trouble with pf. I am trying to RDR all traffic to port 80 to a specific jail (172.16.1.2)
2021-06-03 00:03:11 farhan I see the SYN packet coming in from the internet, but it doesn't reach the end host.
2021-06-03 00:03:15 farhan the end jail
2021-06-03 00:03:24 farhan I can show my pf rules if that'll help?
2021-06-03 00:03:29 nesta sure
2021-06-03 00:05:25 farhan https://dpaste.org/Zz9t
2021-06-03 00:07:28 farhan my bridge0 is this...https://dpaste.org/Bnkj
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2021-06-03 00:08:42 nesta is this on an ovh machine by any chance
2021-06-03 00:09:20 farhan I don't know what digital ocean's backend is.
2021-06-03 00:11:01 farhan traffic reaches vtnet0, but doesn't get forwarded along...
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2021-06-03 00:12:49 farhan sysctl -w net.inet.ip.forwarding=1
2021-06-03 00:12:51 farhan that was it...
2021-06-03 00:13:34 nesta nice
2021-06-03 00:16:13 farhan i think my jails and the base OS's versions don't match...
2021-06-03 00:16:18 farhan this system was idle for a few months
2021-06-03 00:16:54 nesta should be pretty easy to update those
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2021-06-03 00:20:18 farhan Undefined symbol "pthread_setname_np@FBSD_1.6"
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2021-06-03 00:23:43 farhan Undefined symbol "pthread_setname_np@FBSD_1.6"
2021-06-03 00:23:46 farhan Getting this error...
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2021-06-03 00:42:15 nesta farhan: i update from source, is that from freebsd-update
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2021-06-03 02:52:13 [pyro] hi all. I have a Sierra Wireless EM7430 installed, but I cant connect to it using the cu command. I just get /dev/cuau0: Device Busy. I have read that I should have a /dev/cuau0.2 but non exists. Any suggestions?
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2021-06-03 08:40:03 Kage This is gonna sound like a silly question, I know, but does anyone know where I could get a running VirtualBox VDI for FreeBSD 9? Reason being is that I need to validate a special error page works for TLS 1.0 and 1.1 connections, and I can't think of another way to do it.
2021-06-03 08:40:59 Kage I literally just need old curl and OpenSSL to make sure it works correctly. All the Docker images I tried for old Ubuntu, well, too new. So, FreeBSD 9 I guess?
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2021-06-03 08:47:11 oxek Kage: read /topic
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2021-06-03 08:53:19 Kage Ok
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2021-06-03 13:29:24 WiseSon Hello All
2021-06-03 13:29:27 WiseSon ;)
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2021-06-03 13:55:44 thorre Bye bye, moving to the new network in accordance with the topic.
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2021-06-03 15:06:27 tehpwnz Hello FreeBSD people. I am on FreeBSD 12 and I have installed mysql-80. I want to be able to connect to my mysql instance from a remote ip, problem is, my ip changes based on where I am connecting to the host from. How do I do this? I added bind-address 0.0.0.0 to the mysql cnf file but I stil can't access the instance remotely
2021-06-03 15:07:20 @AllanJude you have to configure the user to be allowed from that address
2021-06-03 15:09:36 tehpwnz AllanJude, from my server address? That I do in the mysql itself right, the grant privileges command?
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2021-06-03 15:09:52 @AllanJude yeah, in 8.x it is different
2021-06-03 15:09:56 @AllanJude you have to configure the 'role'
2021-06-03 15:10:03 @AllanJude to have an address of '%' if you want 'any'
2021-06-03 15:10:08 @AllanJude https://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/8.0/en/role-names.html
2021-06-03 15:10:10 tehpwnz AllanJude, ah okay
2021-06-03 15:10:38 @AllanJude or rather
2021-06-03 15:10:43 @AllanJude % doesn't work like that anymore
2021-06-03 15:10:45 @AllanJude it seems to say
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2021-06-03 15:12:00 tehpwnz hmmm, here we go again
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2021-06-03 22:18:21 kiwichap hello
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2021-06-03 22:47:21 FuZzYHALL hello
2021-06-03 22:54:20 kiwichap how are you?
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2021-06-03 23:01:33 nesta yes hello
2021-06-03 23:04:11 FuZzYHALL ready to start bed routine here
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2021-06-04 06:42:52 abmrk hi can somebody help me with that stp ?
2021-06-04 06:42:54 abmrk Jun 04 12:41:39.113 [notice] Read configuration file "/usr/local/etc/tor/torrc".
2021-06-04 06:42:54 abmrk Jun 04 12:41:39.117 [notice] Processing configuration path "/etc/torrc.d/" at recursion level 1.
2021-06-04 06:42:54 abmrk Jun 04 12:41:39.117 [warn] Error reading included configuration file or directory: "/etc/torrc.d/".
2021-06-04 06:42:54 abmrk Jun 04 12:41:39.117 [err] Reading config failed--see warnings above.
2021-06-04 06:44:51 nimaje seems like you have some misformed config file in /etc/torrc.d/, why ever that dir would be used and not /usr/local/etc/torrc.d/
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2021-06-04 06:58:44 abmrk this is not very clear im new with tor
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2021-06-04 07:02:16 nimaje oh, does /etc/torrc.d/ even exist on your system?
2021-06-04 07:02:59 nimaje where is that torrc from?
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2021-06-04 07:05:28 nimaje and the channel on libera is probably more helpful (see /topic) as it probably is more active and I have no idea what stp is (probably some tor proxie or similar guessing from the filenames)
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2021-06-04 09:28:07 abmrk <nimaje> oh, does /etc/torrc.d/ even exist on your system? >> [root@MINE /home/abmrk]# locate /etc/torrc.d/
2021-06-04 09:28:07 abmrk [root@MINE /home/abmrk]#
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2021-06-04 09:31:35 nimaje maybe it not existing is the problem, try not including it (and why would you use locate to check if an absolute path exists? file, stat or ls are easier ways for that)
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2021-06-04 16:37:19 srandon111 hello all, is there something equivalent to arch AUR or pkgsrc pkgsrc-wip for freebsds ?
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2021-06-04 16:41:00 oxek srandon111: read /topic
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2021-06-04 17:31:09 srandon111 oxek, and then ?
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2021-06-04 17:32:27 oxek srandon111: and then ask in the right channel
2021-06-04 17:32:57 srandon111 damn why is everybody moving?
2021-06-04 17:33:03 srandon111 i don't want to add another IRC server
2021-06-04 17:33:06 srandon111 =(
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2021-06-04 17:33:13 oxek add one, delete one
2021-06-04 17:33:25 oxek you know why this is happening, right?
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2021-06-04 17:48:32 srandon111 oxek, no
2021-06-04 17:48:36 srandon111 why is it happening?
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2021-06-04 17:49:03 oxek srandon111: I don't want to promote anything, so just put 'freenode' into your favorite search engine and read the news
2021-06-04 17:49:07 @debdrup Probably not a topic for #FreeBSD.
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2021-06-04 22:27:19 Netwolf so is thre a new irc server?
2021-06-04 22:27:26 Netwolf ubuntu is on libera chat
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2021-06-05 22:53:22 r2com I am not sure why I get "cstdint: no such file or directory" error with "arm-none-eabi-gcc", for example when I compile file containint #include<cstdin> with just "gcc" it works OK
2021-06-05 22:53:53 r2com I did compile the "arm-none-eabi-gcc" and installed it from ports, is it because it didnt for some reason install standard libraries?
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2021-06-06 05:46:19 @debdrup See /topic.
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2021-06-06 10:57:56 Dat How can I do source routing in pfsense or FreeBSD?
2021-06-06 11:00:57 @debdrup You might wanna have a look at the topic, using /topic.
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2021-06-06 11:05:56 ptx0 Dat: by googling for the answer, probably.
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2021-06-06 11:08:47 Dat Thanks all can always appreciate irc
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2021-06-06 12:33:13 WiseSon Hello All
2021-06-06 12:33:14 WiseSon ;)
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2021-06-07 18:09:20 -- Topic for #freebsd is "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-06-07 18:09:20 -- Topic set by Savagedlight on Thu, 27 May 2021 18:21:07
2021-06-07 18:09:21 -- Channel #freebsd: 391 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 389 normals)
2021-06-07 18:09:21 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): see https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC for official information
2021-06-07 18:09:32 -- Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-06-07 21:30:19 WiseSon Hello All
2021-06-07 21:30:21 WiseSon ;)
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2021-06-07 22:28:22 w0ls0n hey guys. Do you think an i5-2500 cpu can handle streaming via emby? When I try to play movies I get a lot of lag. I'm assuming it's just too old. it's from 2011
2021-06-07 22:29:12 w0ls0n I will move to libre chat
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2021-06-07 23:07:01 koobs :]
2021-06-07 23:08:19 Aaron emby is lovely
2021-06-07 23:08:26 Aaron I heavenly use it
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2021-06-07 23:42:54 daniel2 I use plex but I might switch if it keeps going downhill
2021-06-08 00:05:01 vstemen I also run plex on FreeBSD. I originally liked the emby interface better but I couldn't get it to work right. Plex has a few problems but it works for the most part.
2021-06-08 00:06:20 vstemen daniel2,
2021-06-08 00:10:29 daniel2 It works okay, but the developers stopped really caring it feels.
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2021-06-08 12:56:20 adilix hi all
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2021-06-08 13:02:15 masked o/
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2021-06-08 13:55:03 randombit :\
2021-06-08 14:08:30 adilix :)
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2021-06-08 14:43:01 randombit :]
2021-06-08 14:50:23 adilix :(
2021-06-08 14:55:05 randombit :[
2021-06-08 14:59:21 adilix :{=>
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2021-06-08 15:05:22 randombit :}|-)
2021-06-08 15:07:59 adilix 0|o
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2021-06-08 15:46:40 randombit @.@
2021-06-08 15:48:05 adilix (:-{
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2021-06-08 15:51:28 adilix i am out cya bb
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2021-06-08 15:53:07 randombit cya adil!
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2021-06-09 17:36:23 adilix hi all
2021-06-09 17:37:22 randombit adilix, check https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC
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2021-06-09 17:41:38 oxek and consider reading https://www.nohello.com/
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2021-06-09 18:03:29 randombit oxek, this was not the same as on the webpage...
2021-06-09 18:03:58 oxek true, but similar enough for a low activity channel like this one
2021-06-09 18:04:18 oxek "Oh nice, someone said something in #freebsd! Oh, it's just hello"
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2021-06-09 18:07:45 randombit xD i understand ur frustration
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2021-06-09 18:08:59 adilix randombit, why should i check it?
2021-06-09 18:09:25 adilix i know this channel has been moved to libera
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2021-06-09 18:15:31 randombit its like i should've known u knew it already especiall considering you said hello like this channel is still alive, yet you know its not
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2021-06-09 18:20:00 adilix randombit, just a moment
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2021-06-09 20:42:57 koobs oxek: we welcome greetinghs and hello's in our community
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2021-06-09 20:46:20 randombit koobs, personally i actually find it being polite if someone greets others. ofc, on irc is not needed especially when lots of people are in channel, and its not for casual discussion
2021-06-09 20:47:26 koobs randombit: yeh, i understand the spirit of the nohello
2021-06-09 20:47:51 koobs randombit: having said that, we prioritise approachable/friendly over strictness on that front
2021-06-09 20:48:07 koobs greetings and how are you's are fectly fine
2021-06-09 20:48:39 randombit Hello koobs then :P How are you today?
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2021-06-09 20:49:53 koobs randombit: fantastic, how are you ?
2021-06-09 20:50:08 randombit koobs, same.
2021-06-09 20:50:10 randombit :D
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2021-06-09 20:51:56 koobs lovely :)
2021-06-09 20:53:02 randombit btw... ARMv4/5 ---> "arm" ; ARMv6 ---> "armv6" ; ARMv7 ---> "armv7" ; 64-bit ARMv8 ---> "aarch64". am i the only one seeing here an odd-on-out?
2021-06-09 20:53:14 randombit why is that
2021-06-09 20:53:24 koobs its the official name
2021-06-09 20:53:29 koobs official upstream name
2021-06-09 20:53:35 randombit i see that. but why
2021-06-09 20:53:44 koobs https://twitter.com/FreeBSDHelp/status/1397326032407994369
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2021-06-09 20:53:46 koobs dunno
2021-06-09 20:54:30 randombit haha xD
2021-06-09 20:56:10 randombit any time i saw aarch64 mentioned i started to scratch my head... :D
2021-06-09 20:56:22 randombit even though i checked it already
2021-06-09 20:57:28 koobs *nods*
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2021-06-10 08:56:22 sassyn hi all
2021-06-10 08:56:34 sassyn I new baby when it comes to freebsd
2021-06-10 08:56:40 sassyn I have an issue with my system
2021-06-10 08:56:45 sassyn it is using ZFS
2021-06-10 08:56:52 sassyn and after reboot the system is not booting any more
2021-06-10 08:57:00 sassyn it is using EFI
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2021-06-10 10:13:01 nimaje sassyn: the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
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2021-06-10 18:21:06 imachine hi
2021-06-10 18:21:24 imachine how is it possible to make ue0 (USB phone) work out of box via dhcp?
2021-06-10 18:21:41 imachine I have in rc.conf ifconfig_ue0="DHCP"
2021-06-10 18:22:00 imachine but when I do /etc/rc.d/netif restart, still it don't pick up the interface, what give?
2021-06-10 18:22:20 imachine the phone is connected or not, no difference; dhclient ue0 manually as root works no probs
2021-06-10 18:22:42 imachine is maybe ue0 special interface and need enable somehow?
2021-06-10 18:22:56 imachine so freebsd pick up it setting when start
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2021-06-10 18:39:57 randombit idk, i always do it manually.
2021-06-10 18:40:13 randombit btw u should ask it in main channel. this one is dead
2021-06-10 18:40:20 randombit imachine
2021-06-10 18:40:29 randombit oh... not here anymore
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2021-06-11 00:42:52 acu I am running freebsd 13.0 and have two drives - one 1TB where I have my zroot - and a 8 tb that I want to add to a new pool - the 8 TB geom name is da1 ---- if I run zpool create vmpool1 /dev/da1
2021-06-11 00:43:08 acu invalid vdev specification
2021-06-11 00:43:20 acu use '-f' to override the following errors:
2021-06-11 00:43:56 acu .... /dev/da1 is part of potentially active pool 'zroot'
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2021-06-11 02:17:34 nimaje acu: the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
2021-06-11 02:18:22 nimaje and using labels for your disks is probably better
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2021-06-11 11:40:24 rance Recently upgraded a working 12.x box to 13. After auditing services I've got a strange issue with an rc script in a jail that was also upgraded to 13. The rc script makes use of daemon to set the user of the process. The process claims that the user is root, and not the correct unprivileged user and quits. Tested with "daemon -u <user> whoami" and this seems to work as expected. Any idea what I should try next?
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2021-06-11 15:02:18 nimaje rance: the channel on libera is probably more active, see /topic
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2021-06-11 18:46:41 Vall Hello, I just booted my Raspberry Pi Model B with FreeBSD (13.0) for the first time. I'm trying to log in via the network (ssh) but I see no activity on its LAN port -- does it come up the first time with the LAN unconfigured?
2021-06-11 18:47:06 Vall That would really ruin my day -- I have no monitor/keyboard to connect to it (my only other computer is a laptop).
2021-06-11 18:51:11 haroldp hmm, why haven't I installed freebsd on my new pi4 yet?
2021-06-11 18:52:59 haroldp was this the image you used? https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/arm/armv6/ISO-IMAGES/13.0/FreeBSD-13.0-RELEASE-arm-armv6-RPI-B.img.xz
2021-06-11 18:53:30 Vall haroldp: yep
2021-06-11 18:53:56 Vall I'm pretty sure the install was OK, by the behavior of the RPi LEDs
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2021-06-11 18:54:10 Vall The problem is, how to access it headless
2021-06-11 18:56:51 haroldp I gotcha. flashing a drive real quick. momentito
2021-06-11 18:59:38 Vall KK, thanks for the help!
2021-06-11 19:00:02 Iambchop is that version of the board USB OTG? "OTG-capable boards, such as Zero, provide virtual serial console when connected to an USB host." otherwise "to use a serial console (you'll need a USB to TTL Serial Cable" https://wiki.freebsd.org/arm/Raspberry%20Pi
2021-06-11 19:00:32 haroldp is that page up to date at all?
2021-06-11 19:00:43 Vall Iambchop: nope. unfortunatelly (AFAIK only the Pi Zero is OTG capable)
2021-06-11 19:08:22 haroldp ok, booting. I think
2021-06-11 19:08:32 Iambchop "The OTG hardware is intended to be used in device-only mode on Pi 4." https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/usb/README.md#overview_pi4
2021-06-11 19:10:36 Vall Iambchop: perhaps the Pi4 too, I'm not really familiar with it (my only RPi is this old model B)
2021-06-11 19:11:00 haroldp did not boot, heh
2021-06-11 19:12:22 Vall haroldp: ;-)
2021-06-11 19:12:41 Vall haroldp: no prob, mate, and thanks for trying
2021-06-11 19:13:09 haroldp is yours 1,2,3,4B?
2021-06-11 19:14:06 Vall My is a 1 model B
2021-06-11 19:14:17 Vall 512MB of RAM
2021-06-11 19:15:42 Vall I tried booting the newest ISO I had (one for 12.2-RELEASE) in a VM to use it as a liveCD to mount and edit the RPI card, to no avail (weird USB controller errors, perhaps because it's a USB3 port)
2021-06-11 19:15:55 Vall downloading the latest FreeBSD13-STABLE to test
2021-06-11 19:16:29 haroldp I have a 1B, but it runs my sprinkers, si can't use it to test :)
2021-06-11 19:17:37 Vall Hehe :-)
2021-06-11 19:17:44 Vall the plants need water ;-)
2021-06-11 19:17:55 haroldp indeed
2021-06-11 19:18:08 Vall via GPIO? Or something else?
2021-06-11 19:19:38 haroldp yeah, GPIO to a multi-port relay board to replace one of those "rainbird" shitboxes
2021-06-11 19:20:30 Vall nice!
2021-06-11 19:21:42 Vall Here I use ESP8266/ESP32 for all things IoT. But they only connect via 2.4Ghz Wifi, so now that I've migrated my main wifi to 5Ghz, I need someone to bridge both networks
2021-06-11 19:22:12 Vall actually, to bring up a 2.4Ghz WiFi and bridge it to my 5Ghz one
2021-06-11 19:22:50 Vall (my "access point" is an android phone in Hotspot mode, so it can't provide both 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz Wifi at the same time -- it's one or the other)
2021-06-11 19:23:44 haroldp an esp would probablty make more sense, but it's not broke, so...I haven't tried to fix it
2021-06-11 19:23:59 haroldp flashing a new image
2021-06-11 19:25:03 Vall my main reason for using ESP32/ESP8266 is power usage
2021-06-11 19:25:42 Vall they seep power at 100mA max, and I can put then into sleep mode most of the time, then they use microamps
2021-06-11 19:26:28 Vall Sigh
2021-06-11 19:26:59 Vall VM won't recognize the image on the SD card. Here's what I get when I attach the device to it: https://i.imgur.com/HEwRoaQ.png
2021-06-11 19:27:23 Vall VM running FreeBSD13-STABLE
2021-06-11 19:28:59 Vall Doesn't seem to be an I/O problem, with `dd </dev/da0 | hexdump -C | less` I can see what looks like a healthy volume
2021-06-11 19:30:35 Vall The problem seems to be the 'GEOM_PART: integrity check failed (da0, MBR)' thing
2021-06-11 19:30:40 Vall any ideas?
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2021-06-11 20:37:53 haroldp got an image that works. booting!
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2021-06-11 20:40:35 haroldp booted with monitor and keyboard and got an etherent network on genet0 and an ip via dhcp
2021-06-11 20:47:20 haroldp can ssh in as awell
2021-06-11 20:48:25 Vall back
2021-06-11 20:48:44 Vall So it loaded dhcp automatically?
2021-06-11 20:48:49 haroldp it did
2021-06-11 20:49:05 Vall And sshd? Without having to change any configuration?
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2021-06-11 20:53:02 haroldp correct
2021-06-11 20:53:25 haroldp le'me see if it boot wo monitor and keyboard
2021-06-11 20:53:28 haroldp boots
2021-06-11 20:58:10 Vall OK, here I'm not having great luck -- it seems to boot (all LEDs light up, carrier comes up in the ethernet port, etc) but it doesn't send anything in the ethernet port, no DHCP requests, no nothing
2021-06-11 20:59:36 Vall I thought that it perhaps would use some fixed address in the 192.168.x.0/24 range. Tried with 192.168.1.0 to not avail, ran nmap on the network from my laptop and no IP answers
2021-06-11 21:00:41 haroldp works wo kb and monitor too
2021-06-11 21:00:58 Vall The most frustrating part is being unable to mount the SD card partitions both in my Linux laptop and in a FreeBSD VM
2021-06-11 21:01:19 haroldp When I booted a bad image I got ethernet lights, but didn't look closely at them
2021-06-11 21:01:24 Vall If I could mount it, I could look at config files, logs, etc and figure/fix what is going wrong
2021-06-11 21:01:29 Vall Hummmr
2021-06-11 21:01:35 Vall lemme double check the image
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2021-06-11 21:04:31 Vall OK, I was using this other one: https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/snapshots/arm/armv6/ISO-IMAGES/13.0/FreeBSD-13.0-STABLE-arm-armv6-RPI-B-20210610-f8edb3f9c72-245963.img.xz
2021-06-11 21:04:46 Vall Similar but not the same as the one you listed
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2021-06-11 21:04:56 Vall Downloading yours now
2021-06-11 21:05:35 haroldp if I boot with no SD card at all I still get etehrnet lights
2021-06-11 21:06:31 Vall heh
2021-06-11 21:07:24 Vall weird,right? Perhaps some ROM trying network boot?
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2021-06-11 21:08:24 haroldp makes sense. it will netboot
2021-06-11 21:08:35 runk_knullhora ╰⋃╯ 屪 B==D~ （@ㅅ@） <--- titties. This message has been endorsed by the official libera.chat staff. Updaes on the rasengan situation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRDRFWNLrDk
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2021-06-11 21:18:29 Vall uh oh
2021-06-11 21:18:32 Vall xzcat FreeBSD-13.0-RELEASE-arm-armv6-RPI-B.img.xz | wc -c;
2021-06-11 21:18:43 Vall 3221225472
2021-06-11 21:19:04 Vall ie, 3.2GB. I was trying to use it with a 2GB SD card ;-)
2021-06-11 21:19:17 Vall Trying again with a 8GB card
2021-06-11 21:43:18 Vall OK, it worked!
2021-06-11 21:43:40 Vall Now it does DHCP and accepts SSH connections
2021-06-11 21:43:52 Vall Password for root@rpi-b:
2021-06-11 21:44:00 Vall What is the default password?
2021-06-11 21:44:29 Yamazaki1 traditionally the account is pi and the password is raspberry
2021-06-11 21:44:48 Vall Never mind, found it
2021-06-11 21:44:55 Vall it's freebsd / freebsd
2021-06-11 21:44:56 Yamazaki1 freebsd/freebsd or root/root
2021-06-11 21:44:59 Yamazaki1 yeah
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2021-06-11 22:49:50 WiseSon Hello All
2021-06-11 22:49:52 WiseSon ;)
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2021-06-12 00:02:17 WiseSon Hello All
2021-06-12 00:02:19 WiseSon ;)
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2021-06-12 00:23:14 Yamazaki1 o hai
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2021-06-13 10:51:00 WiseSon Hello All
2021-06-13 10:51:03 WiseSon ;)
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2021-06-13 12:08:37 cybercrypto Hi WiseSon
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2021-06-13 15:44:01 -- Topic for #freebsd is "https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC"
2021-06-13 15:44:01 -- Topic set by Savagedlight on Thu, 27 May 2021 18:21:07
2021-06-13 15:44:01 -- Channel #freebsd: 347 nicks (2 ops, 0 voices, 345 normals)
2021-06-13 15:44:01 -- PvNotice(ChanServ): see https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC for official information
2021-06-13 15:44:14 -- Channel created on Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:25:41
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2021-06-13 18:58:31 isapgswell hi
2021-06-13 18:59:30 isapgswell what about a new permission?
2021-06-13 18:59:31 isapgswell for ex:
2021-06-13 18:59:31 isapgswell rt-wt-xt
2021-06-13 19:00:10 Aaron isapgswell, man chmod
2021-06-13 19:00:58 isapgswell Aaron i would like to disable or enable thread use
2021-06-13 19:01:06 isapgswell Aaron is that possible?
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2021-06-13 19:01:36 isapgswell Aaron not system multithread or smp support
2021-06-13 19:01:46 Aaron isapgswell, just before you IRC
2021-06-13 19:01:53 Aaron isapgswell, make sure you use something like a VPN
2021-06-13 19:02:23 isapgswell Aaron why? IRC is dangerous?
2021-06-13 19:03:39 Aaron very
2021-06-13 19:03:43 Aaron and scary as well.
2021-06-13 19:08:01 randombit please elaborate
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2021-06-13 19:10:55 cybercrypto The use of VPN may be recommended... i understand that... But, why do you say to make sure to use it? Care to explain?
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2021-06-13 19:13:59 randombit btw i consider using a vpn is just adding another spoofer between you and the "net".
2021-06-13 19:14:48 isapgswell randombit not always
2021-06-13 19:15:03 isapgswell randombit android netguard do a local vpn
2021-06-13 19:15:11 isapgswell randombit search
2021-06-13 19:15:42 randombit well, i was not specific then. VPN-service.
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2021-06-13 19:21:53 isapgswell ok
2021-06-13 19:26:40 randombit but my question regarding why is it "dangerous" without one to use irc still hangs
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2021-06-13 19:28:03 isapgswell maybe dataleak
2021-06-13 19:28:10 isapgswell man in the middle attack
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2021-06-13 19:35:32 isapgswell spying on you
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2021-06-13 19:36:00 isapgswell logging your net navigating/comunicating
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2021-06-13 19:37:35 antiloopa_ https://dchub.one/temp/Soft/ что бы так было у всех
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2021-06-13 19:49:28 R2COM guys whats going on with the speed of update/fetch on fbsd? i mean its incredibly SLOW...and I do see various threads online regarding that issue and no real resolution or pointing to a specific reason... im in US and just using pkg.freebsd.org and its like few Kbps
2021-06-13 19:49:49 R2COM and well its not the first time im observing such issue
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2021-06-13 19:51:00 zi R2COM: what ip does pkg resolve to for you?
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2021-06-13 19:54:12 R2COM havent checked, not currently in system
2021-06-13 19:54:31 zi can you find out, get me a traceroute, etc
2021-06-13 19:54:48 R2COM alright ill see once i get to the system
2021-06-13 19:54:51 zi usually it's useful to provide some technical details when you bitch about something ;)
2021-06-13 19:55:05 R2COM i understand
2021-06-13 19:55:23 R2COM its just a basic shit which just supposed to work honestly
2021-06-13 19:56:45 zi well there are multiple mirrors
2021-06-13 19:56:49 zi you could have a shit isp
2021-06-13 19:57:04 zi for all i know, you're trying to update over some 1mbit dsl line
2021-06-13 19:57:18 zi that aside, there's about fuck all anyone can do without any details
2021-06-13 19:57:40 R2COM lol i got 300mbps download capability with my isp
2021-06-13 19:57:58 zi im sure you get my point though
2021-06-13 20:06:17 randombit honestly if someone says something wrong with the download speed i would assume the questioner asked that knowing the limits of the ISB-bandwith.
2021-06-13 20:06:27 randombit p
2021-06-13 20:07:04 zi randombit: ok and what would you expect someone to do with 0 information about the mirror
2021-06-13 20:07:33 randombit its a bit irritating when u ask, what could be the problem, then you got back-questioned whether u are intelligent enough to know if ur internet-subscription is not 1mbit/s
2021-06-13 20:08:07 randombit zi thats another thing. but you should know that by the fact my comment was about ISP alone
2021-06-13 20:08:47 zi just because they have 300mbit service to their isp does not mean their isp isnt having a problem with one of their isps
2021-06-13 20:09:01 zi and jsut because someone pays for 300mbit service does not mean they will get 300mbit service
2021-06-13 20:09:16 randombit btw im getting slower speeds too. last time it maxed out my bandwith, now its like 1/10. 100kbs or something, sometimes 200.
2021-06-13 20:10:34 zi are you going to share the mirror ip?
2021-06-13 20:10:39 zi heh
2021-06-13 20:10:41 randombit zi, then i have to add to my point, is when someone ask a question like that, i would assume he already checked his bandwith, and asked it bc his question is legitimate
2021-06-13 20:11:24 zi ...
2021-06-13 20:11:25 zi i give up
2021-06-13 20:11:29 randombit good.
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2021-06-13 20:15:54 Aaron so what's going on with the freebsd?
2021-06-13 20:16:03 Aaron are we uploading where at now?
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2021-06-15 08:56:00 Ner0Zer0 is bsd questions still discussed here or libera ?
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2021-06-15 09:08:21 Allan Libera
2021-06-15 09:08:30 Allan but you can ask
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2021-06-15 17:20:56 antiloopa https://dchub.one
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2021-06-15 17:26:49 <-- zi has kicked antiloopa (Yo momma so ugly they filmed "Gorillas in the Mist" in her shower)
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2021-06-15 17:32:37 tau zi: you're good to go
2021-06-15 17:36:23 @zi thanks guys
2021-06-15 17:37:43 @Speakz you are welcome
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2021-06-15 17:46:17 y2k welcome! :)
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2021-06-15 21:03:41 Dat How can a default gateway be automatically deleted?
2021-06-15 21:03:54 Dat I add it and minutes later poof gone
2021-06-15 21:04:10 @zi eh, dhcpd messing with it?
2021-06-15 21:04:18 @zi you didnt use rc.conf?
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2021-06-15 21:05:11 Dat hrmm dhcp could be messing with it I tried using rc.conf I have two nics two lans and i can't seem to activate the 2nd lan on the 2nd nic :(
2021-06-15 21:05:26 Dat Seems to work fine if I change the default route
2021-06-15 21:05:41 Dat even a static route in rc.conf doesn't do the trick with fibs
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2021-06-15 21:08:48 tau word
2021-06-15 21:09:37 FreeBSD Lol
2021-06-15 21:09:42 FreeBSD y2k, congrats
2021-06-15 21:09:49 FreeBSD Let's see how long is going to last :X
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2021-06-15 21:49:11 Dat is there a ip rule for freebsd like there is for linux?
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2021-06-15 22:09:56 Iambchop policy based routing? ipfw "fwd ipaddr => Change the next-hop on matching packets to ipaddr"; pf "route-to => routes the packet to the specified interface with an optional address for the next hop"
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2021-06-15 23:27:25 Dat Iambchop thanks
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2021-06-16 10:33:13 Allan dat: if you are doing a 'service netif restart', it clears the routes, and you need to do 'service routing start' to readd the routes
2021-06-16 10:33:21 Allan note that each fib has its own routing table
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2021-06-16 13:55:46 haps Hi, quick zfs question: I currently have a zpool with a single mirror in it, with disks [a1,a2,a3]. I would like to remove a3 from the mirror, but in such a way that I can 'zpool import -f' it if this machine dies. Will a `zpool detach poolName a3` leave a3 in that state? I think in the past what I did was just power off the machine & remove the drive, but I'd like to not do that right now.
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2021-06-16 13:59:07 Allan haps: sounds like you want `zpool split`, which makes a 2nd pool, containing a3
2021-06-16 14:00:14 Allan depends on the use case
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2021-06-16 14:02:40 haps Allan: Thanks, I was looking at that as well. My use case is: I have a 2-disk mirror, and periodically I bring in a 3rd disk, let it resilver, and remove the "oldest" one. That way I have an offline copy, and it spreads out the drive wear (like rotating tires, I guess).
2021-06-16 14:03:43 Allan detach is what you if you want to be able to reattach it
2021-06-16 14:03:50 Allan you'd have to test to see if you can import it
2021-06-16 14:04:00 haps I guess if I split the pool and call the new one something else, in the event of some kind of disaster as long as I have my data, the name of the pool doesn't really matter. And I guess "-R /backup" would make sense too....
2021-06-16 14:05:31 Allan yeah, and `zpool import poolname newname` lets you rename it
2021-06-16 14:06:00 Allan but yeah, if you want to reattach and maybe only resolver the difference, then detach/attach makes more sense
2021-06-16 14:06:11 Allan i am just not 100% you can import, but, i am 90% sure
2021-06-16 14:06:15 Allan easy enough to test
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2021-06-16 14:06:27 Allan just plug it into another system and try
2021-06-16 14:08:36 haps Haha, indeed :-)
2021-06-16 14:09:22 haps Problem of course is the different versions of zfs floating around. Per oracle: https://docs.oracle.com/cd/E19253-01/819-5461/gjooc/index.html ""
2021-06-16 14:09:25 haps Splitting a mirrored pool is optimal when composed of two to three disks, where the last disk in the original pool is used for the newly created pool. Then, you can use the zpool attach command to recreate your original mirrored storage pool or convert your newly created pool into a mirrored storage pool. No way currently exists to create a new mirrored pool from an existing mirrored pool by using this
2021-06-16 14:09:31 haps feature.
2021-06-16 14:09:33 haps Er, sorry that was a bad paste.
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2021-06-16 14:09:58 haps But the "Then, you can use the zpool attach command ... "
2021-06-16 14:10:42 haps It's unclear to me if that means, attach a new device to the original pool to bring it back to the previous level of redundancy, or if it means you can attach that split disk.
2021-06-16 14:14:16 haps And one more quick question if you don't mind: has the state of encrypting pools changed at all? Currently I'm encrypting at the drive level, using geli, but it strikes me as odd to be encrypting blocks independently for each device. Before zfs I would have a gmirror of devices, and geli the mirror.
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2021-06-16 14:40:27 Allan doing it separately can be more useful sometimes, but, yeah. Although you want ZFS to manage the mirroring etc
2021-06-16 14:40:59 Allan so, with 13.0 you can use zfs filesystem encryption. it doesn't encrypt everything, only files/names in the datasets you enable encryption for
2021-06-16 14:43:10 Allan and the boot loader doesn't support it
2021-06-16 14:43:22 Allan but, you can say, encrypt only your homedirectory, instead of everything
2021-06-16 14:43:28 Allan and encrypt each homedir with a different key
2021-06-16 14:43:35 Allan and load/unload the keys as needed
2021-06-16 14:43:56 Allan zfs can still scrub/resilver without the keys
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2021-06-16 15:06:11 haps That's very good to know!
2021-06-16 15:06:51 haps And I found some of the notes I made, I forgot about the offline prior to detach :-] Straight up detach kills the zfs metadata.
2021-06-16 15:07:14 haps Clearly I don't rotate disks often enough. :-)
2021-06-16 15:09:42 haps Although, as a backup strategy, I'm starting to think '-R /backup -o readonly' makes a lot of sense.
2021-06-16 15:09:48 haps er, for split.
2021-06-16 15:11:51 haps Looks like the relnotes links are dead: https://www.freebsd.org/relnotes/
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2021-06-17 12:24:43 Aaron !google search freebsd podcast en
2021-06-17 12:24:44 BSD Aaron: Best Freebsd Podcasts (2021) - Player FM: <https://player.fm/podcasts/Freebsd>; BSD Now: <https://www.bsdnow.tv/>; Episodes Archive - BSD Now: <https://www.bsdnow.tv/episodes>
2021-06-17 12:25:11 Aaron zi, you allow bsd?
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2021-06-17 12:26:59 Allan I did not know that Rubenerd had a podcast
2021-06-17 12:27:24 Aaron now you know ;X
2021-06-17 12:28:32 Aaron Allan, https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/freebsd/id1503197346
2021-06-17 12:28:33 Aaron mines
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2021-06-17 12:42:58 dan1 Hi guys, I'm having some issues with wifi... I have set up wpa_supplicant according to all the instructions, and the conf file is correct. Also ifconfig wlan0 scan does indeed work, but there is still no route to host... any ideas?
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2021-06-17 13:27:59 Allan dan1: well, once you are associated, you still need to get an ip, are you running dhclient on the interface?
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2021-06-17 13:29:22 Aaron dan1, do sudo service netif restart
2021-06-17 13:29:28 Aaron and it will restart the network interface
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2021-06-17 13:45:36 Allan note that will leave you without a route in many cases
2021-06-17 13:45:58 Allan also need `service routing start`, although dhclient should do the right thing when it re-initializes
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2021-06-17 14:07:29 dan1 Allan: thanks for your reply :) Sadly, it doesnt work. I have dhcliented it, netif and routing (re)started, but to no avail...
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2021-06-17 14:08:12 dan1 If it perhaps trying to use the ethernet, even though the wireless is set up maybe..?
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2021-06-17 14:08:17 dan1 *Is*
2021-06-17 14:09:16 Allan depends on your ifconfig output
2021-06-17 14:09:17 Allan but
2021-06-17 14:09:24 Allan if 'ifconfig wlan0 scan' works, then no, it knows it is wifi
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2021-06-17 14:12:30 dan1 Allan: yes, ifconfig wlan0 scan, works, thats what I find confusing...
2021-06-17 14:14:54 Allan if you just do 'ifconfig wlan0'
2021-06-17 14:14:59 Allan it should show if it is associated or not
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2021-06-17 14:15:27 dan1 Allan: status: associated
2021-06-17 14:15:46 Allan with the SSID you want?
2021-06-17 14:15:52 Allan does it have an ip address?
2021-06-17 14:16:03 dan1 Yes
2021-06-17 14:16:28 dan1 I get an ip as well, but there is no net all the same, no pinging and no browsing... it's confusing...
2021-06-17 14:16:56 dan1 the router does work with ethernet though, and wirelessly with other pc's...
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2021-06-17 14:18:58 dan1 this couldn't be a weird firmware issue with the wireless card could it? (iwn8265fw)
2021-06-17 14:19:14 dan1 no, *iwm* I mean.
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2021-06-17 14:34:53 dan1 diagnostics: https://pastebin.com/cQWGHcfw
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2021-06-17 14:45:02 Allan netstat -rn
2021-06-17 14:45:05 Allan is your rc.conf empty?
2021-06-17 14:45:43 Allan the conflicting subnet on em0 might not be helping
2021-06-17 14:45:59 Allan since it is down, you might try removing the ip: ifconfig em0 inet 10.0.0.4 -alias
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2021-06-17 14:50:05 dan1 woops, forgot to add rc.conf: new diagnostics (rc.conf and netstat -rn): https://pastebin.com/H7nRVFCZ
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2021-06-17 14:57:39 Allan yeah, so the default route is going via em0, which is down
2021-06-17 14:58:16 dan1 Allan: Aha!
2021-06-17 14:58:20 Allan try: route change default 10.0.0.138
2021-06-17 14:58:28 Allan and see if it changes in the netstat -rn output to wlan0
2021-06-17 14:58:29 Allan instead of em0
2021-06-17 14:59:17 dan1 change net default: gateway 10.0.0.138 fib 0: not in table
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2021-06-17 15:15:01 dan1 Allan: I removed the ifconfig_em0= line from my /etc/rc.conf, that fixed the issue! Thanks for your support :D
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2021-06-18 08:25:44 DSee madness
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